July 12, 2024 • 32 mins
One of the best all time NBA stories, Anthony Morrow, went from being undrafted, to scoring the most points in a game as an undrafted rookie and the most points ever scored in an NBA Summer League game. Both records still stand to this day. shares his story and thoughts on the Warriors dynasty officially coming to an end.
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Once again another episode of Heavy andthe Paint. Let's get right to it.
This brother right here one of themost prolific shooters in NBA history.
Yes, you have never heard ofhim, but you know what, you
need to go back and do yourresearch because he can't. He came in
the league. We're on a mission. He came in the league, and
you know what, he took careof his business, but more importantly,
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he takes care of his community.Outstanding individual. Mister Anthony Marle, you
didn't like that in trouble. What'sup with that? I love that,
bro, Come on, man,I love you. I love that.
Amo. Man. Always a pleasure, man. I always like to see
you smile and and stuff like that. And the reason why I say that,
because it's this time of year yourstory becomes even more prevalent. And
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I think it's such a great reminderbecause the NBA is one where we can
have guys come in the league.You know, Kuy's a kind of ear
marked to come in the league.You came in the league, but you
know what, you busted door downand made sure that now he got into
the league and stayed in the league. I gotta gas. You go back
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and start from the beginning in termsof your thoughts on the Golden State Warriors
at this juncture, in terms ofseeing the dynasty in with Klay Thompson moving
on to Dallas. I mean Icame in eight with Steph. Steph was
my second year. Step That wasSteph's rookie year. Okay, yeah,
rookie, Okay, gotcha. Solike then, you know, him coming
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into the organization then as a rookie, and it was like, man,
it was a sense of kind ofcomfort with having somebody kind of you know
that you grew up with playing AAUand high school rivals and all that,
and seeing his progress and actually beingdrafted to the team I was own.
It was really dope, you know. So I'm always be proud of them,
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you know. I think that wholejourney with me would Golden State and
coming to lead Don Nelson and allthose guys Steven Jackson and Al Harrington and
mante Ellis, you know, Cortmcgetty, all these guys like you know,
we it was a camaraderie. Iwish we could have kept that together,
but we was kind of in thetransition stage of the Old war the
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older Warriors and the but we believeteam and they went and got their money
and it was now it was ourturn, you know, so it was
kind of like a startover. Butyou know, step spearheaded that and to
see where they've been four rings.You know, my journey with the Warriors
was amazing. You know, thatwas my foot and door was blessing from
God. I don't know if I'dhave had that same kind of career or
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longevity if I didn't come into leadinto the league under the organization and Don
Nelson and and those guys. Butno, man, it's a it's it's
a special organization, bro Like overall, it's just a special organization. To
see, like the development. Youknow, they they drafted and developed people.
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It wasn't like they tried to maketry to go find people to build
from different organizations and build those MiamiHeat teams back in the day. You
know, that's that only work.Then you know most of the team is
winning. Now they draft and developedand the Warriors and now the Nuggets are
like a product of that. Youknow, that that mentality, like we
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got to build through the draft,through the staff, through the scouting,
through the player development, and that'swhat that was Rico Hine, Steve Salaz
though though those guys really helped mebecome the professional that I am when I
got in the lead. You guysset the groundwork for that next step in
that next group that came in withSteph and and seeing like you said that
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run, how surprised were you thatKlay Thompson left and the end of the
dynasty pretty much officially over, ifyou will, I don't know. Well,
in terms of Clay, I thinkI think that was good for I
think it was good for both sides. You want one organization for thirteen years,
it's gonna be emotional, not justfor you, not just for your
family, you know the organization likeit's it's emotional and general for everybody.
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You know, he won four championships. I mean, and I don't know
Clay like really really personally, butI know his work. I think I
know his mindset, I know it'sground, I know his mentality. So
I think he needed that refresh kindof that restart, and I think he
can get that in Dallas. Thatwas a great, great pickup for Dallas,
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and I think that that's gonna it'sgonna translate. He'll be able to
go in there and find his niche, and you know, everybody's like,
you know, you gotta ref findhis shot. Him Like, he's still
average eighteen after two major lower extremityinjuries, he's still average eighteen. So
I mean, if you want himto go, I think his career average
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is like twenty two. So I'mlike, he can go in there.
If he averaged twenty with them andthey get to the Western Conference finals and
get to the finals or something likethat, you'll still see the same two
way player. But I don't thinkthat dynasty is over in Golden State.
Well, I mean that Dynasty is, but I don't think that they are
over as a franchise like Dynasty's don'tlast forever. But I don't think it's
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going to be like when Mike firstleft Chicago Bulls or something, and then
you know, they just fell offand then you know, I don't think
it's gonna be like that when heleft the second time. I don't think
it's gonna be like that. That'sone of the most intelligent, well run
organizations in sports, and people needto still remember that now. Bob Myers
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leaving that kind of took a hiton the organization, but they still got
a lot of smart, really intelligent, innovative people work in their organization.
You'll be fine, They'll be fine. Yeah, I gotta go back because
I want to go back to yourstory because I get excited about your story
because we have somebody mutually in common. We always know and obviously as the
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years go by, I've always admiredyour work ethic, I admire your ability,
and it's always around this time ofthe year when you have the draft
afterwards and now all of a sudden, those guys that didn't get drafted probably
should have but didn't get drafted.They have a chip on the shoulder,
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and a lot of people can usethe term chip on their shoulder. I
want to go back because I canrecall when I had a show, bottom
Line Sports Show. When it firststarted out, my man Chris Williams,
big shout out to see where lovehim real? Yeah, man, that's
for Mary. He was su bidand stuff. And you know when I
first got on an aau seen man, you know, I tried to bring
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him along with Nevertheless, he wasthe first one that told me about you
because I know he knew Anthony Randolphwhatever, and he kept telling me about
it, and I remember hearing aboutScott Anthony Marvel. I'm like, who
is this thirty seven and putting upthe points, a record that still stands
in Summer League to this day.As we get ready for that Vegas Summer
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League, what were the thoughts talkabout that, you know, draft night,
going into draft night and then theprocess of not getting drafted and sort
of what fueled you to go outthere first game or so and get busy
the way you did. I mean, for me, bro overall, I
mean the draft, I like fellasleep during the draft. I was still
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on Georgia Texs campus, Like Ifell asleep during the draft. But I
mean overall, I was optimistic aboutworkouts. I was optimistic about getting picked
up by a team for summer league. Like I was just ready to go.
I was in first gear already,you know, I was. I
really wanted the opportunity to compete insome of those workouts and some of league
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against guys and you grow up.They already had the status and the prowess,
they already had everything since we wasin like the eighth grade, ninth
grade, So I got a chanceto compete against them that I maybe couldn't
compete against them in college, SoI was more about the competition and that
was my main thing. And thenalso you know, being able to be
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in a situation where you're not ina college system, you can go out
and just really play. But mymindset was like I buried myself in the
gym every day and one thing Iwould tell you know, whoever didn't get
drafted, or if you was thesecond round pick, or if you went
later than you thought you was goingto go, it don't matter. My
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thing was always I can control everysingle day of my life because all we
thinking about is basketball right now.I want you And I had a daughter
on the way at the time,so it was like even more like motivation,
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I want to stop because I wantto go back, because that's powerful.
Can you elaborate on that, becauseit seems apparent you turn the disappointment
of not getting drafted or maybe noteven allow yourself to even anticipate getting drafted
and then locking in the way youdid and stuff. First of all,
before you answer that, how likewas there another team that you decide you
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were going to decide to sign with, and like what made you sign with
the Golden State Warrias, because thatright there set the table for not only
summer league. And I want tobe clear about this to people, You're
not just a sort of run ofthe mill summer league that. No,
he handled his business in the NBA, one of the best shooters of all
time. I said, right now, mister Anthony Mark, what made you
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sign with the Golden State Warriors andand how did you just change your course
of thinking? I mean, thatwas the only team that was gonna sign
me, that only the team inUkraine was going to sign me to go
overseas. But thankfully I played wellenough to kind of build some leverage and
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I ended up getting the opportunity togo to training camp with the Warriors based
off summer league play, and alot of that was just preparation. Like
it goes back to right after theseason, like after I finished that tech
and I was like, all right, it's just me here now. It's
not no more games. It's notlike they're gonna call me and tell me
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come work out, do an individualor come do like uh, you know,
shoot around, Like none of thatin college anymore. So now it's
like, what are you going todo? And shout out to my agent
at the time, while I praythe and Dion Glover and all these guys,
and you know, I just reallylocked in in the gym. Man
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Corey McCray, we locked in inthe gym, and it was just like
that was my whole priority. Youknow, everything was basketball, working out
three four times a day until leadingup to you know, Summer league start
off with the Miami Heat in Orlandoand then to go to State Wards in
Vegas and then with them again inUtah. So I played all three my
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first coming into the league, allthree summer leagues, being undrafted, being
undrafted and getting an opportunity to competeagainst these these guys that I really wanted
to play against since Nike and ABCDat five Star Camp and everything like that.
So you know, it was itwas just the mindset was like you
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worked as hard, so now whatare you going to do to finish this
off? You know you were talkingabout the fact is that you haven't that
reality talk with yourself and being selfaware and really giving yourself the full you
know, motivation and encouragement to say, you know what, listen, this
is what it's got to do.This is right here. You started off
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like you said, playing in onthe Orlando some of League with the Miami
Heat. Uh, I want toI want to get from there. I
want to go to the Vegas someof League. How did you maintain yourself
to come into that summer league becauseyou played with two different teams that you
played with the Miami Heating Orlando SummerLeague. How was that experience? Talk
about that experience? Well, withMiami, you know, it's like pat
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Riley. So we had to tryout for the Miami Heat Summer League team.
So day Kwon Cook shout out dayKwon Cook too. Man. He
was a great player. He endup separating the shoulder, but he was
a showcase player. So for thoseof those no showcase guys, they already
under contract. They just want themto you know, they're drafting them high.
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The year before ended up separating theshoulder and it was unfortunately. I
didn't know what was gonna happen.I was just glad. I was already
ready to go to Ukraine because theysaid we'll give you eighty ninety thousand.
I'm going. I got a daughteron the way like that was my mentality.
And then I got an opportunity toplay shout out to Mario Chalmers,
Mike Beasley, and that's the firsttime I saw Mike Beasley play in person.
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I was like, he's going tobe the MVP of the league one
day. That's how I was thinkingabout him. Straight out of Kansas State.
Mario out of Kansas when we alreadywas cool. And the pick and
roll, I mean every time theyran it, I was just open.
So I was hitting a lot ofshots, played well. And then the
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Ukrainian team went up to like onehundred thousand. So I called my agent
like, yeah, I'm ready togo back to Atlanta and work out because
I was already I was still lockedin from all the work from before,
you know, Summer League, proam, everything and just the workout,
and he was like, no,you gotta go to Vegas. Golden State
calling me. I said, allright, we go to Vegas. And
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I was like the sixteen guy onthe roston in the Summer League and the
showcase guys in Golden State didn't playafter like two games and then I might
have had like five points to likeeight points at like sixteen, and the
last game I had like twenty fouror something like that. So they was
like Okay, now we want youto go to Utah. I'm like,
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why I'm going to Utah? Hewas like, cause it's the last summer
League. You know, they wantyou to go, but you gonna be
the showcase guy now, so you'regonna start don't look over your shoulder thinking
you about to come out the game, and I end up getting the MVP
of that. Now stop right there, stop right there now, Okay,
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let's go back to Orlando. SoMiami, they just say what was the
decision? Afterwards? Obviously? Wasit a situation where it's like we just
got too many guys. You wasjust here. We they appreciate you.
Good lad. They was going toinvite me to They was going to invite
me to to training camp too.How you leaving that out? Man?
That's no look no hold on yeahlook so so pat so pat Riley and
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as that was Aris Bosh's first yeartwo thousand and eight, and both of
them was like, you know,I talked to him. I shook their
hands when when something's over. Itwas like, we heard you going to
Vegas with Golden State. But theywere like, we'll see you at training
camp. So I'm thinking, likeall right, well, I got a
training camp invite, but I don'tknow if it's legit because I'm like,
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I only played like the first Ididn't play the first two games in Orlando,
and then I played a little bit, had like six points the next
game, man maybe like eight points, and then like the last two games,
I had like eighteen and like twentytwo or something like that. So
that's how I got the invite to, you know, to Vegas with Golden
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State with the Golden State Warriors.But they said that they mentioned we'll see
you soon. Pat Rodders said,we'll see you soon, you know.
But Pat about the work. That'swhy I liked it because it was it
was it was a pretty intense tryoutto make the Summer League team, you
know. So I was like Icould just imagine what practice is, you
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know what I'm saying. And thenPat, don't let nothing rocking Miami,
like you can't go out, youcan't do nothing like and I was like,
I wasn't even trying to. Iwas just glad to be like look
out the window and see the beach, you know what I'm saying. So
it was like that was cool withme. I got an Xbox and I
got the beach. I'm cool.But you know what I know, it's
about you, man, And thisis something that I've always admired about you.
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And the fact of the matter isyour humility. Like you know,
like this story is so amazing andlike I've heard it, you know,
we known each other for years andher the story. But it's so inspiring
and encouraging because every year there's somebodythat aspires to do what you have done,
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right and and and and you touchedon the fact is that I'm like,
well, why are you skipping allover this stuff? But that's because
you know, again, you you'resuch a humble person that you know,
it's like, yeah, you know, I did this and I've moved on.
But uh, I guess what youmentioned about in Miami. That's clearly
why we see a lot of theguys that you know are in that Miami
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heat roster, on that roster andthat rotation that might not be the highest
drafted guys or whatever, but ifyou put the work in and you work
hard, you will be rewarded andstuff. So so you go to Vegas,
you go to Utah, and theend of the summer is there,
and now Golden State is saying,what to you. Now, I'm gonna
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go back you and me to talkto some stuff. I'm gonna go bed
a couple. You don't know becauseI gotta shout my Britt shout out.
I gotta shout out my brother AnthonyRandolph. Okay, let's let's start.
You know what, I want tostart to show over, Ben, Let's
let's I want to start this showover. Huh you want to start over?
No? I just I mean,I'm like, yo, I mean
no, No, We're gonna keepgoing back because you know what, you
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know, this is what is this? Hey? This is hot, this
is hey. Look this feels likeback when I came to New York and
did it so bad. Yeah,you were what you was nervous though,
right, No, I weren't nervous. I was with it. I was
with I was you know, Iwas with people. I'm cool. I'm
always I got to talking about thattype of thing. Look, you know
what I'm saying, like, lookabout the fact is you know, it's
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it's it's it's it's you know again, it's like this is what you wanted,
right and and like you said,for the ability sometimes you know there's
a lot of people that sometimes geta lot of the attention, right,
And we just got off of thisNBA draft where there are a lot of
guys that got an attention. Butthis might be like I had a goychall
mean from the league. The bestplayer in this current draft might be thirteen,
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fourteen fifty might not be one ofthese guys in the lottery. And
a lot of the times that's greatmotivation, but some guys don't know how
to channel the frustration, the disappointmentand just saying all right, let me
go handle my business and utilize thissummer league and already just accepting the outcome
and stuff. But you mentioned aboutAnthony Randolph, outstanding ball player. Man
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that was hooping and stuff like thatat LSU. It gets busy, he
gets drafted by the Golden State Warriorsand stuff. How influential was Anthony Randolph
to you? Nah man? Hewas that's my big little brother to this
day. You know what I'm saying. And I remember in summer league,
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and this might be some motivation becauseI told her, I said, look,
I got hurt the day before hescored forty two and broke the score
record. So that game I didn'tplay. Okay, stop ra see there
you go. See this is whatI'm talking you're asking me, I'm getting
together. Let's be so. Sothis is Vegas right before you go to
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Utah. Right, oh, thisis the second year. No, this
is this is Vegas. Okay,this this this is the second year this
one Ant got drafted. Yeah,okay, so let's go back to Let's
stay with the first year. Soyou go to Va. This is when
Steph got Steph's rookie year, Ant'srickie year. Okay, that's year two.
But you've already been in the ladyear too, right, Yeah,
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that's what I'm talking about. Yougo from getting undrafted, being undrafted,
you go to Utah, you goto Vegas, you go to Utah as
a showcase guy. You do whatyou have to do in Utah. What
was that talk about? That conversationin regards to knowing that you are going
to be invited to UH training campwith the possibility of making the team.
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I was, well, yeah,okay, so that's the first time I
actually read an actual contract. Theybrought it to me at the end of
training, at the end of UtahSummer League. Get the training camp still
nervous because you still got to likemake it through training camp. You know,
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at this point, the overseas teammay be in, like yeah,
it's like more incentive for you tonot go to training camp. So I'm
like, I'm cool whatever. Ikind of feel like I'm playing with house
money at this point. And thenI made the team. I don't play
like maybe the first five or sixgames, and then I played like I
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forgot The first might be the Grizzliesor something. Somebody had like six points.
Then the next game I had likeeight points. Mike didn't play the
game after that. Then I hadlike twelve points. And then we get
to we get the l We're playingthe Clippers, just like Baron Davis,
Katino Mobley. They were really good, and we had a lot of vets
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that was heard or couldn't play orsomething. And this is why I love
don Nelson, shouted don Nesson.Don Nelson was like we and we had
all week for him to tell methis, or at least three days he
didn't tell me. I was startingto shoot around that morning morrow you starting.
I was like, all right,cool, I'm locked in. So
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that game I hit like my firsttwo or three baskets and like, I'm
guarding Katino mobil and he was He'sstill nice, but like I was,
like, you know, Katino islike that, so I'm like guarding him.
And I'm young, so I'm tryingto like, you know, We're
going back and forth in the beginningof the game, and then I end
up I scored like seven straight pointsor something like that, and then coach
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called to play, but I gotthe ball, shouted stack jack Steven Jackson.
I passed it to run the play, and he passed it back like
and then he caught the time out. He went over there, coaches talking
Stacks like. I ain't gonna sayexactly what he said, basically, why
you passing the ball? Bro likeyou on, keep going, don't stop,
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keep going, don't worry about noplays and that. When he said
that to me, it was likea light went off in my head.
I was like, all right,every time I get it, I'm at
anybody who guarded me. So theyended up scoring thirty seven eleven rebounds.
I didn't know that whoa, whoa, whoa you scored how much it was
thirty seven man eleven rebounds, AndI didn't realize I ain't realize that I
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had thirty seven though. I justlike, I ain't realize what. I
didn't realize the record. Like Igot back in the locker room after the
game, you know, take ashot and put your clothes on and stuff,
turn around. All these came.But I'm thinking this for like the
other guys. So I'm like walkingoff PR guy Raymond like, hey,
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wait, come over here. Yougot to talk to them. You broke
a record. I'm like what.Then they started telling me about it,
so, you know, I justtold her. I was like, man,
I felt good. You know,I was young, so I was
really on that. You know,I ain't know what to say, you
know what I'm saying. I wasjust like, I feel really but it
was cool. We get on thebus shout to my brother CJ. Watson,
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were talking about it, and thenwe get back to Oakland, who
was in LF. We'll get backto Oakland and I bro Marcus Williams.
I used to hang out with himall the time. Rest in Peace,
Mama, Tyrs his homie. Iwent up there. It was me and
Tyres in the in the condo andI was just going over ready to kick
it because I ain't have nobody outhere with me, out there with me,
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and I went in there and Tyreshad it on ESPN. It's as
soon as I walked in, theyhad this whole special and tires and the
watching TV. Turn around look atme. He was like, Bro,
you went they doing all this?He was like. I was like,
yeah, I guess, bro,you know what I'm saying. But I
didn't even I wasn't thinking like thatbecause all I had been thinking about was
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every day of everything I had todo to even get to that point.
But that was like solidification right therefor me. Okay, So okay,
yo that that that is amazing,Like the thing is okay. So,
first of all, you make theteam. Second of all, you still
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hold a record to this day thatit's you, and I think Fred Vanfleet.
Fred Vanfleet has the most points scoredby an undrafted player. You have
the most points scored by undrafted player. And then as a rookie, yeah,
right, thirty seven points and Ithink, yeahrook thirty seven and then
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fifty four by which come so youI think had the record before that,
right in terms of thirty seven thatyou had. Their thirty seven was most
points ever by an undrafted player andthen the most as a rookie and then
until fred Nfleet did that recent whenyou looked at this when did you?
Was that the game and afterwards thatyou said, okay, I can play
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in this league and I have aspot because you know, again, did
you ever walk around and just beinglike, yo, am I gonna be
here? You know, they gonnamake a cut, you know, trade
whatever before? Like, was thatthe game that you sat back and said,
okay, I can be here?Yeah, that was a moment I
felt like that, But also likethe moment I felt like the moment I
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felt like I knew I was apro was the game is kind of crazy
because it's like the scrimmage in frontof the fans before my rookie like my
rookie year, and I was atthe scores table with with stat jack I
was just score saying with Steven Jackson, and he took me under under his
wing immediately, you know what I'msaying. I thank God for him for
that, you know, And hewas like, I was like, hey,
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man, don't let him cut metomorrow, man, because it came
down to me another guy, andhe was like, man, you already
made the team, what's your trippingon? Go out there and who?
So I've been talking to him aboutthat, but they don't want to tell
you that because they don't want youto let up. And I'm very man
I put you know, after that, Like I went and worked out after
that that game, you know whatI'm saying, because I just like,
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when I got the validation, Ifelt like, I'm just gonna mash the
gas now it's on, you know. So like that's that was that was
my mentality, you know, afterthat. But that's when I really felt
like. But that thirty seven gameagainst the Clippers in LA, when like
it was kind of surreal. Iain't gonna lie because you hear the Clipper
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fans saying, you know, yellingmy name and they don't even know who
I am, you know what I'msaying. And it's just like I was
like, all right, I cando this. I can do this night
in night out. I can dothis because I know I'm not gonna stop
working. I'm not gonna let nobodyoutwork me, you know. So that
was my mentality. But you gottahave that, like I tell people,
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if you're gonna be at the high, if you're gonna be at the highest
level of any profession, you gottahave something that's definitely gonna separate you from
anybody else in that field. Idon't care what it is, business,
entertainment, sports, whatever it is. If you want to be the greatest,
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you'll show that your craft and howyou work on your craft is different
than how you how they work ontheir craft. That's how I looked at
it. So when you were byyourself in that moment you say you was
over and Marcus with people's and stuff, was saying, man, they showing
it. I remember seeing that onSports Center and obviously just in the moments
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like wow, like what did youdo? Like how did you embrace that
moment? Because, like you saidbefore, you kind of compartmentalized. It
was like, okay, you know, I'm so locked in. How did
you did you when you got byyourself? How did you embrace that moment?
Was that really? Like reflecting back? Was that getting on the phone
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calling family and stuff like that?What was that moment? Like it was
normal till I called like my mom, like my mama, like they was
like my mom was like yo,they showed me something like excuse me,
and she saw it and talking toher. It was like the real surreal
moment was well, I'll get tothat because I don't want to skip steps
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talking to my mom. I don'twant skip steps. But talking to my
mom that after that day, likethe end of that day, because I
was on the west coast, soshe's on the east obviously, and it's
like one o'clock in the morning whenshe had, mom go to bed early,
so her picking her calling me,you know, and she was,
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you know, mom dramatic of courseat the time, and you know,
it really set in because she startedtalking about you know, rec league games
when I was a kid and AAUand high school all that, you know,
college and just the whole journey.And you know, it kind of
set in in. But it waslater that day because I had I had
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went back to the gym that night. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like
Sidney Moncrief, Keith Smart, theywere assistant coaches. They used to tell
me, hey, you got tochill. You know what I'm saying,
Back up, back up, allright, I'm gonna thirty seven y'all in
La y'all fly back right. Yougo to Marcus william House. You look
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in all this stuff. I know, everything is going on. You go
back to the gym. I wentback because in Oakland at the time,
it was a Marriotte and on topof the Marriotte was our practice facility,
the Warriors. If you go lookat the very top is the Golden State
Warriors. But you gotta, youknow, you gotta keiyobs. You can't
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just everybody can just get in there. But I go back to the hotel.
I'm standing in the hotel at thetime, you know what I'm saying.
So, like I'm in the hotel, it's room service, chilling.
Now it's like ELEVEM thirty. Ican't go out nowhere. I ain't trying
to spend no money. The onlything I got is the advance that I
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had from the Ukrainian team that Igotta give back if I make the team
with the Warriors. So I don'twant to like really spend none of that,
you know what I'm saying, BecauseI'm like, I gotta get that
back, you know what I mean. So we get per diem. I'm
cool. So the gym right there, go upstairs. I went up there.
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I just got on the gun.The gun right there is already set
up shooting gun that's two makes rightthere. Yeah, shooting gun, shooting
gun, shooting gun. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's right there. So
I mean, I'll go up thereand get two honey makes and go back
down there, take a shower,play Xbox, go to sleep, back
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to work the next day
Once again another episode of Heavy andthe Paint. Let's get right to it.
This brother right here one of themost prolific shooters in NBA history.
Yes, you have never heard ofhim, but you know what, you
need to go back and do yourresearch because he can't. He came in
the league. We're on a mission. He came in the league, and
you know what, he took careof his business, but more importantly,
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he takes care of his community.Outstanding individual. Mister Anthony Marle, you
didn't like that in trouble. What'sup with that? I love that,
bro, Come on, man,I love you. I love that.
Amo. Man. Always a pleasure, man. I always like to see
you smile and and stuff like that. And the reason why I say that,
because it's this time of year yourstory becomes even more prevalent. And
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I think it's such a great reminderbecause the NBA is one where we can
have guys come in the league.You know, Kuy's a kind of ear
marked to come in the league.You came in the league, but you
know what, you busted door downand made sure that now he got into
the league and stayed in the league. I gotta gas. You go back
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and start from the beginning in termsof your thoughts on the Golden State Warriors
at this juncture, in terms ofseeing the dynasty in with Klay Thompson moving
on to Dallas. I mean Icame in eight with Steph. Steph was
my second year. Step That wasSteph's rookie year. Okay, yeah,
rookie, Okay, gotcha. Solike then, you know, him coming
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into the organization then as a rookie, and it was like, man,
it was a sense of kind ofcomfort with having somebody kind of you know
that you grew up with playing AAUand high school rivals and all that,
and seeing his progress and actually beingdrafted to the team I was own.
It was really dope, you know. So I'm always be proud of them,
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you know. I think that wholejourney with me would Golden State and
coming to lead Don Nelson and allthose guys Steven Jackson and Al Harrington and
mante Ellis, you know, Cortmcgetty, all these guys like you know,
we it was a camaraderie. Iwish we could have kept that together,
but we was kind of in thetransition stage of the Old war the
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older Warriors and the but we believeteam and they went and got their money
and it was now it was ourturn, you know, so it was
kind of like a startover. Butyou know, step spearheaded that and to
see where they've been four rings.You know, my journey with the Warriors
was amazing. You know, thatwas my foot and door was blessing from
God. I don't know if I'dhave had that same kind of career or
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longevity if I didn't come into leadinto the league under the organization and Don
Nelson and and those guys. Butno, man, it's a it's it's
a special organization, bro Like overall, it's just a special organization. To
see, like the development. Youknow, they they drafted and developed people.
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It wasn't like they tried to maketry to go find people to build
from different organizations and build those MiamiHeat teams back in the day. You
know, that's that only work.Then you know most of the team is
winning. Now they draft and developedand the Warriors and now the Nuggets are
like a product of that. Youknow, that that mentality, like we
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got to build through the draft,through the staff, through the scouting,
through the player development, and that'swhat that was Rico Hine, Steve Salaz
though though those guys really helped mebecome the professional that I am when I
got in the lead. You guysset the groundwork for that next step in
that next group that came in withSteph and and seeing like you said that
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run, how surprised were you thatKlay Thompson left and the end of the
dynasty pretty much officially over, ifyou will, I don't know. Well,
in terms of Clay, I thinkI think that was good for I
think it was good for both sides. You want one organization for thirteen years,
it's gonna be emotional, not justfor you, not just for your
family, you know the organization likeit's it's emotional and general for everybody.
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You know, he won four championships. I mean, and I don't know
Clay like really really personally, butI know his work. I think I
know his mindset, I know it'sground, I know his mentality. So
I think he needed that refresh kindof that restart, and I think he
can get that in Dallas. Thatwas a great, great pickup for Dallas,
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and I think that that's gonna it'sgonna translate. He'll be able to
go in there and find his niche, and you know, everybody's like,
you know, you gotta ref findhis shot. Him Like, he's still
average eighteen after two major lower extremityinjuries, he's still average eighteen. So
I mean, if you want himto go, I think his career average
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is like twenty two. So I'mlike, he can go in there.
If he averaged twenty with them andthey get to the Western Conference finals and
get to the finals or something likethat, you'll still see the same two
way player. But I don't thinkthat dynasty is over in Golden State.
Well, I mean that Dynasty is, but I don't think that they are
over as a franchise like Dynasty's don'tlast forever. But I don't think it's
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going to be like when Mike firstleft Chicago Bulls or something, and then
you know, they just fell offand then you know, I don't think
it's gonna be like that when heleft the second time. I don't think
it's gonna be like that. That'sone of the most intelligent, well run
organizations in sports, and people needto still remember that now. Bob Myers
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leaving that kind of took a hiton the organization, but they still got
a lot of smart, really intelligent, innovative people work in their organization.
You'll be fine, They'll be fine. Yeah, I gotta go back because
I want to go back to yourstory because I get excited about your story
because we have somebody mutually in common. We always know and obviously as the
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years go by, I've always admiredyour work ethic, I admire your ability,
and it's always around this time ofthe year when you have the draft
afterwards and now all of a sudden, those guys that didn't get drafted probably
should have but didn't get drafted.They have a chip on the shoulder,
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and a lot of people can usethe term chip on their shoulder. I
want to go back because I canrecall when I had a show, bottom
Line Sports Show. When it firststarted out, my man Chris Williams,
big shout out to see where lovehim real? Yeah, man, that's
for Mary. He was su bidand stuff. And you know when I
first got on an aau seen man, you know, I tried to bring
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him along with Nevertheless, he wasthe first one that told me about you
because I know he knew Anthony Randolphwhatever, and he kept telling me about
it, and I remember hearing aboutScott Anthony Marvel. I'm like, who
is this thirty seven and putting upthe points, a record that still stands
in Summer League to this day.As we get ready for that Vegas Summer
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League, what were the thoughts talkabout that, you know, draft night,
going into draft night and then theprocess of not getting drafted and sort
of what fueled you to go outthere first game or so and get busy
the way you did. I mean, for me, bro overall, I
mean the draft, I like fellasleep during the draft. I was still
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on Georgia Texs campus, Like Ifell asleep during the draft. But I
mean overall, I was optimistic aboutworkouts. I was optimistic about getting picked
up by a team for summer league. Like I was just ready to go.
I was in first gear already,you know, I was. I
really wanted the opportunity to compete insome of those workouts and some of league
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against guys and you grow up.They already had the status and the prowess,
they already had everything since we wasin like the eighth grade, ninth
grade, So I got a chanceto compete against them that I maybe couldn't
compete against them in college, SoI was more about the competition and that
was my main thing. And thenalso you know, being able to be
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in a situation where you're not ina college system, you can go out
and just really play. But mymindset was like I buried myself in the
gym every day and one thing Iwould tell you know, whoever didn't get
drafted, or if you was thesecond round pick, or if you went
later than you thought you was goingto go, it don't matter. My
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thing was always I can control everysingle day of my life because all we
thinking about is basketball right now.I want you And I had a daughter
on the way at the time,so it was like even more like motivation,
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I want to stop because I wantto go back, because that's powerful.
Can you elaborate on that, becauseit seems apparent you turn the disappointment
of not getting drafted or maybe noteven allow yourself to even anticipate getting drafted
and then locking in the way youdid and stuff. First of all,
before you answer that, how likewas there another team that you decide you
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were going to decide to sign with, and like what made you sign with
the Golden State Warrias, because thatright there set the table for not only
summer league. And I want tobe clear about this to people, You're
not just a sort of run ofthe mill summer league that. No,
he handled his business in the NBA, one of the best shooters of all
time. I said, right now, mister Anthony Mark, what made you
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sign with the Golden State Warriors andand how did you just change your course
of thinking? I mean, thatwas the only team that was gonna sign
me, that only the team inUkraine was going to sign me to go
overseas. But thankfully I played wellenough to kind of build some leverage and
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I ended up getting the opportunity togo to training camp with the Warriors based
off summer league play, and alot of that was just preparation. Like
it goes back to right after theseason, like after I finished that tech
and I was like, all right, it's just me here now. It's
not no more games. It's notlike they're gonna call me and tell me
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come work out, do an individualor come do like uh, you know,
shoot around, Like none of thatin college anymore. So now it's
like, what are you going todo? And shout out to my agent
at the time, while I praythe and Dion Glover and all these guys,
and you know, I just reallylocked in in the gym. Man
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Corey McCray, we locked in inthe gym, and it was just like
that was my whole priority. Youknow, everything was basketball, working out
three four times a day until leadingup to you know, Summer league start
off with the Miami Heat in Orlandoand then to go to State Wards in
Vegas and then with them again inUtah. So I played all three my
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first coming into the league, allthree summer leagues, being undrafted, being
undrafted and getting an opportunity to competeagainst these these guys that I really wanted
to play against since Nike and ABCDat five Star Camp and everything like that.
So you know, it was itwas just the mindset was like you
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worked as hard, so now whatare you going to do to finish this
off? You know you were talkingabout the fact is that you haven't that
reality talk with yourself and being selfaware and really giving yourself the full you
know, motivation and encouragement to say, you know what, listen, this
is what it's got to do.This is right here. You started off
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like you said, playing in onthe Orlando some of League with the Miami
Heat. Uh, I want toI want to get from there. I
want to go to the Vegas someof League. How did you maintain yourself
to come into that summer league becauseyou played with two different teams that you
played with the Miami Heating Orlando SummerLeague. How was that experience? Talk
about that experience? Well, withMiami, you know, it's like pat
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Riley. So we had to tryout for the Miami Heat Summer League team.
So day Kwon Cook shout out dayKwon Cook too. Man. He
was a great player. He endup separating the shoulder, but he was
a showcase player. So for thoseof those no showcase guys, they already
under contract. They just want themto you know, they're drafting them high.
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The year before ended up separating theshoulder and it was unfortunately. I
didn't know what was gonna happen.I was just glad. I was already
ready to go to Ukraine because theysaid we'll give you eighty ninety thousand.
I'm going. I got a daughteron the way like that was my mentality.
And then I got an opportunity toplay shout out to Mario Chalmers,
Mike Beasley, and that's the firsttime I saw Mike Beasley play in person.
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I was like, he's going tobe the MVP of the league one
day. That's how I was thinkingabout him. Straight out of Kansas State.
Mario out of Kansas when we alreadywas cool. And the pick and
roll, I mean every time theyran it, I was just open.
So I was hitting a lot ofshots, played well. And then the
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Ukrainian team went up to like onehundred thousand. So I called my agent
like, yeah, I'm ready togo back to Atlanta and work out because
I was already I was still lockedin from all the work from before,
you know, Summer League, proam, everything and just the workout,
and he was like, no,you gotta go to Vegas. Golden State
calling me. I said, allright, we go to Vegas. And
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I was like the sixteen guy onthe roston in the Summer League and the
showcase guys in Golden State didn't playafter like two games and then I might
have had like five points to likeeight points at like sixteen, and the
last game I had like twenty fouror something like that. So they was
like Okay, now we want youto go to Utah. I'm like,
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why I'm going to Utah? Hewas like, cause it's the last summer
League. You know, they wantyou to go, but you gonna be
the showcase guy now, so you'regonna start don't look over your shoulder thinking
you about to come out the game, and I end up getting the MVP
of that. Now stop right there, stop right there now, Okay,
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let's go back to Orlando. SoMiami, they just say what was the
decision? Afterwards? Obviously? Wasit a situation where it's like we just
got too many guys. You wasjust here. We they appreciate you.
Good lad. They was going toinvite me to They was going to invite
me to to training camp too.How you leaving that out? Man?
That's no look no hold on yeahlook so so pat so pat Riley and
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as that was Aris Bosh's first yeartwo thousand and eight, and both of
them was like, you know,I talked to him. I shook their
hands when when something's over. Itwas like, we heard you going to
Vegas with Golden State. But theywere like, we'll see you at training
camp. So I'm thinking, likeall right, well, I got a
training camp invite, but I don'tknow if it's legit because I'm like,
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I only played like the first Ididn't play the first two games in Orlando,
and then I played a little bit, had like six points the next
game, man maybe like eight points, and then like the last two games,
I had like eighteen and like twentytwo or something like that. So
that's how I got the invite to, you know, to Vegas with Golden
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State with the Golden State Warriors.But they said that they mentioned we'll see
you soon. Pat Rodders said,we'll see you soon, you know.
But Pat about the work. That'swhy I liked it because it was it
was it was a pretty intense tryoutto make the Summer League team, you
know. So I was like Icould just imagine what practice is, you
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know what I'm saying. And thenPat, don't let nothing rocking Miami,
like you can't go out, youcan't do nothing like and I was like,
I wasn't even trying to. Iwas just glad to be like look
out the window and see the beach, you know what I'm saying. So
it was like that was cool withme. I got an Xbox and I
got the beach. I'm cool.But you know what I know, it's
about you, man, And thisis something that I've always admired about you.
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And the fact of the matter isyour humility. Like you know,
like this story is so amazing andlike I've heard it, you know,
we known each other for years andher the story. But it's so inspiring
and encouraging because every year there's somebodythat aspires to do what you have done,
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right and and and and you touchedon the fact is that I'm like,
well, why are you skipping allover this stuff? But that's because
you know, again, you you'resuch a humble person that you know,
it's like, yeah, you know, I did this and I've moved on.
But uh, I guess what youmentioned about in Miami. That's clearly
why we see a lot of theguys that you know are in that Miami
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heat roster, on that roster andthat rotation that might not be the highest
drafted guys or whatever, but ifyou put the work in and you work
hard, you will be rewarded andstuff. So so you go to Vegas,
you go to Utah, and theend of the summer is there,
and now Golden State is saying,what to you. Now, I'm gonna
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go back you and me to talkto some stuff. I'm gonna go bed
a couple. You don't know becauseI gotta shout my Britt shout out.
I gotta shout out my brother AnthonyRandolph. Okay, let's let's start.
You know what, I want tostart to show over, Ben, Let's
let's I want to start this showover. Huh you want to start over?
No? I just I mean,I'm like, yo, I mean
no, No, We're gonna keepgoing back because you know what, you
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know, this is what is this? Hey? This is hot, this
is hey. Look this feels likeback when I came to New York and
did it so bad. Yeah,you were what you was nervous though,
right, No, I weren't nervous. I was with it. I was
with I was you know, Iwas with people. I'm cool. I'm
always I got to talking about thattype of thing. Look, you know
what I'm saying, like, lookabout the fact is you know, it's
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it's it's it's it's you know again, it's like this is what you wanted,
right and and like you said,for the ability sometimes you know there's
a lot of people that sometimes geta lot of the attention, right,
And we just got off of thisNBA draft where there are a lot of
guys that got an attention. Butthis might be like I had a goychall
mean from the league. The bestplayer in this current draft might be thirteen,
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fourteen fifty might not be one ofthese guys in the lottery. And
a lot of the times that's greatmotivation, but some guys don't know how
to channel the frustration, the disappointmentand just saying all right, let me
go handle my business and utilize thissummer league and already just accepting the outcome
and stuff. But you mentioned aboutAnthony Randolph, outstanding ball player. Man
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that was hooping and stuff like thatat LSU. It gets busy, he
gets drafted by the Golden State Warriorsand stuff. How influential was Anthony Randolph
to you? Nah man? Hewas that's my big little brother to this
day. You know what I'm saying. And I remember in summer league,
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and this might be some motivation becauseI told her, I said, look,
I got hurt the day before hescored forty two and broke the score
record. So that game I didn'tplay. Okay, stop ra see there
you go. See this is whatI'm talking you're asking me, I'm getting
together. Let's be so. Sothis is Vegas right before you go to
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Utah. Right, oh, thisis the second year. No, this
is this is Vegas. Okay,this this this is the second year this
one Ant got drafted. Yeah,okay, so let's go back to Let's
stay with the first year. Soyou go to Va. This is when
Steph got Steph's rookie year, Ant'srickie year. Okay, that's year two.
But you've already been in the ladyear too, right, Yeah,
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that's what I'm talking about. Yougo from getting undrafted, being undrafted,
you go to Utah, you goto Vegas, you go to Utah as
a showcase guy. You do whatyou have to do in Utah. What
was that talk about? That conversationin regards to knowing that you are going
to be invited to UH training campwith the possibility of making the team.
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I was, well, yeah,okay, so that's the first time I
actually read an actual contract. Theybrought it to me at the end of
training, at the end of UtahSummer League. Get the training camp still
nervous because you still got to likemake it through training camp. You know,
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at this point, the overseas teammay be in, like yeah,
it's like more incentive for you tonot go to training camp. So I'm
like, I'm cool whatever. Ikind of feel like I'm playing with house
money at this point. And thenI made the team. I don't play
like maybe the first five or sixgames, and then I played like I
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forgot The first might be the Grizzliesor something. Somebody had like six points.
Then the next game I had likeeight points. Mike didn't play the
game after that. Then I hadlike twelve points. And then we get
to we get the l We're playingthe Clippers, just like Baron Davis,
Katino Mobley. They were really good, and we had a lot of vets
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that was heard or couldn't play orsomething. And this is why I love
don Nelson, shouted don Nesson.Don Nelson was like we and we had
all week for him to tell methis, or at least three days he
didn't tell me. I was startingto shoot around that morning morrow you starting.
I was like, all right,cool, I'm locked in. So
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that game I hit like my firsttwo or three baskets and like, I'm
guarding Katino mobil and he was He'sstill nice, but like I was,
like, you know, Katino islike that, so I'm like guarding him.
And I'm young, so I'm tryingto like, you know, We're
going back and forth in the beginningof the game, and then I end
up I scored like seven straight pointsor something like that, and then coach
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called to play, but I gotthe ball, shouted stack jack Steven Jackson.
I passed it to run the play, and he passed it back like
and then he caught the time out. He went over there, coaches talking
Stacks like. I ain't gonna sayexactly what he said, basically, why
you passing the ball? Bro likeyou on, keep going, don't stop,
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keep going, don't worry about noplays and that. When he said
that to me, it was likea light went off in my head.
I was like, all right,every time I get it, I'm at
anybody who guarded me. So theyended up scoring thirty seven eleven rebounds.
I didn't know that whoa, whoa, whoa you scored how much it was
thirty seven man eleven rebounds, AndI didn't realize I ain't realize that I
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had thirty seven though. I justlike, I ain't realize what. I
didn't realize the record. Like Igot back in the locker room after the
game, you know, take ashot and put your clothes on and stuff,
turn around. All these came.But I'm thinking this for like the
other guys. So I'm like walkingoff PR guy Raymond like, hey,
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wait, come over here. Yougot to talk to them. You broke
a record. I'm like what.Then they started telling me about it,
so, you know, I justtold her. I was like, man,
I felt good. You know,I was young, so I was
really on that. You know,I ain't know what to say, you
know what I'm saying. I wasjust like, I feel really but it
was cool. We get on thebus shout to my brother CJ. Watson,
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were talking about it, and thenwe get back to Oakland, who
was in LF. We'll get backto Oakland and I bro Marcus Williams.
I used to hang out with himall the time. Rest in Peace,
Mama, Tyrs his homie. Iwent up there. It was me and
Tyres in the in the condo andI was just going over ready to kick
it because I ain't have nobody outhere with me, out there with me,
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and I went in there and Tyreshad it on ESPN. It's as
soon as I walked in, theyhad this whole special and tires and the
watching TV. Turn around look atme. He was like, Bro,
you went they doing all this?He was like. I was like,
yeah, I guess, bro,you know what I'm saying. But I
didn't even I wasn't thinking like thatbecause all I had been thinking about was
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every day of everything I had todo to even get to that point.
But that was like solidification right therefor me. Okay, So okay,
yo that that that is amazing,Like the thing is okay. So,
first of all, you make theteam. Second of all, you still
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hold a record to this day thatit's you, and I think Fred Vanfleet.
Fred Vanfleet has the most points scoredby an undrafted player. You have
the most points scored by undrafted player. And then as a rookie, yeah,
right, thirty seven points and Ithink, yeahrook thirty seven and then
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fifty four by which come so youI think had the record before that,
right in terms of thirty seven thatyou had. Their thirty seven was most
points ever by an undrafted player andthen the most as a rookie and then
until fred Nfleet did that recent whenyou looked at this when did you?
Was that the game and afterwards thatyou said, okay, I can play
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in this league and I have aspot because you know, again, did
you ever walk around and just beinglike, yo, am I gonna be
here? You know, they gonnamake a cut, you know, trade
whatever before? Like, was thatthe game that you sat back and said,
okay, I can be here?Yeah, that was a moment I
felt like that, But also likethe moment I felt like the moment I
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felt like I knew I was apro was the game is kind of crazy
because it's like the scrimmage in frontof the fans before my rookie like my
rookie year, and I was atthe scores table with with stat jack I
was just score saying with Steven Jackson, and he took me under under his
wing immediately, you know what I'msaying. I thank God for him for
that, you know, And hewas like, I was like, hey,
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man, don't let him cut metomorrow, man, because it came
down to me another guy, andhe was like, man, you already
made the team, what's your trippingon? Go out there and who?
So I've been talking to him aboutthat, but they don't want to tell
you that because they don't want youto let up. And I'm very man
I put you know, after that, Like I went and worked out after
that that game, you know whatI'm saying, because I just like,
(27:30):
when I got the validation, Ifelt like, I'm just gonna mash the
gas now it's on, you know. So like that's that was that was
my mentality, you know, afterthat. But that's when I really felt
like. But that thirty seven gameagainst the Clippers in LA, when like
it was kind of surreal. Iain't gonna lie because you hear the Clipper
(27:55):
fans saying, you know, yellingmy name and they don't even know who
I am, you know what I'msaying. And it's just like I was
like, all right, I cando this. I can do this night
in night out. I can dothis because I know I'm not gonna stop
working. I'm not gonna let nobodyoutwork me, you know. So that
was my mentality. But you gottahave that, like I tell people,
(28:17):
if you're gonna be at the high, if you're gonna be at the highest
level of any profession, you gottahave something that's definitely gonna separate you from
anybody else in that field. Idon't care what it is, business,
entertainment, sports, whatever it is. If you want to be the greatest,
(28:40):
you'll show that your craft and howyou work on your craft is different
than how you how they work ontheir craft. That's how I looked at
it. So when you were byyourself in that moment you say you was
over and Marcus with people's and stuff, was saying, man, they showing
it. I remember seeing that onSports Center and obviously just in the moments
(29:04):
like wow, like what did youdo? Like how did you embrace that
moment? Because, like you saidbefore, you kind of compartmentalized. It
was like, okay, you know, I'm so locked in. How did
you did you when you got byyourself? How did you embrace that moment?
Was that really? Like reflecting back? Was that getting on the phone
(29:26):
calling family and stuff like that?What was that moment? Like it was
normal till I called like my mom, like my mama, like they was
like my mom was like yo,they showed me something like excuse me,
and she saw it and talking toher. It was like the real surreal
moment was well, I'll get tothat because I don't want to skip steps
(29:49):
talking to my mom. I don'twant skip steps. But talking to my
mom that after that day, likethe end of that day, because I
was on the west coast, soshe's on the east obviously, and it's
like one o'clock in the morning whenshe had, mom go to bed early,
so her picking her calling me,you know, and she was,
(30:10):
you know, mom dramatic of courseat the time, and you know,
it really set in because she startedtalking about you know, rec league games
when I was a kid and AAUand high school all that, you know,
college and just the whole journey.And you know, it kind of
set in in. But it waslater that day because I had I had
(30:32):
went back to the gym that night. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like
Sidney Moncrief, Keith Smart, theywere assistant coaches. They used to tell
me, hey, you got tochill. You know what I'm saying,
Back up, back up, allright, I'm gonna thirty seven y'all in
La y'all fly back right. Yougo to Marcus william House. You look
(30:56):
in all this stuff. I know, everything is going on. You go
back to the gym. I wentback because in Oakland at the time,
it was a Marriotte and on topof the Marriotte was our practice facility,
the Warriors. If you go lookat the very top is the Golden State
Warriors. But you gotta, youknow, you gotta keiyobs. You can't
(31:17):
just everybody can just get in there. But I go back to the hotel.
I'm standing in the hotel at thetime, you know what I'm saying.
So, like I'm in the hotel, it's room service, chilling.
Now it's like ELEVEM thirty. Ican't go out nowhere. I ain't trying
to spend no money. The onlything I got is the advance that I
(31:38):
had from the Ukrainian team that Igotta give back if I make the team
with the Warriors. So I don'twant to like really spend none of that,
you know what I'm saying, BecauseI'm like, I gotta get that
back, you know what I mean. So we get per diem. I'm
cool. So the gym right there, go upstairs. I went up there.
(32:00):
I just got on the gun.The gun right there is already set
up shooting gun that's two makes rightthere. Yeah, shooting gun, shooting
gun, shooting gun. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's right there. So
I mean, I'll go up thereand get two honey makes and go back
down there, take a shower,play Xbox, go to sleep, back
(32:21):
to work the next day
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