August 13, 2024 • 19 mins
Former college basketball and high school legendary coach Gary DeCesare joins the show to share his thoughts on the current state of college basketball and the damage it has done to high school basketball.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to another edition of Heavy in the Paint, General
Brown and as always, great to have you on board.
Let's bring on my first guest, my only guest. This
this gentleman that I've had the pleasure of getting to
know working under him with grassroots basketball and one of
the great greatest minds when it comes to grassroots basketball
(00:34):
in New York City, coaching legend. I'm not going to
just limit him to high school, but coaching Legend college
so much of a program and building a program at
Saint Raymond's High schools Now he's doing it out in Chicago,
the legendary mister Garry de sies A joining me coach.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I got to ask you, and.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
We've talked about this before, when we sit back and
say how much the transfer portal has happened, and just
I have my youngest son is seventeen right now and
just going through the process. And I followed your lead
in regards to showcases and all the stuff that's associated
(01:12):
with these college showcase camps.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
But we've heard so many things about.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Nike have lost a lot of money in terms of
just sneakers not doing well. Eybl hasn't really been that
sort of fruitful based upon the fact is it transfer portal?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
When you look at the dynamic.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Of recruiting kids, do you ever think that we'll get
back to a point where you have tournaments spread.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Out like a Charlie Weber Bob Gibbons.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Instead of just the sneaker companies having their own leagues
and controlling everything.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
No, I don't think so. First of all, thanks for
having me Gerald. You're doing a great job and moving
up the ladder, and you're going to catch the mad
dog pretty soon. I don't say that, but you know,
I just think the transfer portal has killed high school basketball.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Kids are not getting recruited anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's you know they You know, if the NCAA back
twenty years ago wasn't so greedy and selfish and shared
money back then, where you didn't really have to give
a lot of money to players, but gave them enough
to be comfortable.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I remember being a college coach and you know, guys
coming to me and say, you know, coach, can you
give me five bucks to do my laundry? I mean,
you know, and of course I would do it, and
you know that was a violation. You couldn't help your players,
so you know the transfer portal. You know, college coaches
(02:49):
just they you know, they recruit the portal. I mean,
I believe as today there's still fifty percent of the
kids in at the portal, still in the portal. Yeah,
you know where they're going. I mean, once you tell
the coach you're going to the portal, they ain't saving
a spot for you. They're going out and you know,
recruiting other guys. And you know, I spoke to many
college coaches that got jobs and they had zero players.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
They had to bring in twelve players. You know, it's
it's a draft.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Every year it's going to be a draft. And I
don't know what the solution is, but I know one thing.
The high school kids are getting hurt.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, I think it's really you know, let's be honest,
it's really like you alluded to the NCAA, which has
created this monster, and when you look at the whole landscape,
it's football that's controlling all of this, you know, absolutely
all and just agreed in terms of these sort of
mega conferences where schools and these conferences don't even make sense.
(03:48):
I mean, you're having West West Coast teams and institutions
center in the ACC I'm trying to wrap my head
around that and gone all this idea of trying to
say that these are student athletes. But you're right, I'd
sold people and told parents if you're not a top
two hundred kid, it makes no sense to play in
(04:08):
some of these tournaments and so called live period events
because at the end of the day out of college,
Ghost tell me, he said, look, I'm going on vacation
during the live period. I might check out a kid
here and now, but I'm going on vacation. And that's
what it's come to. But you know, how do you
fix this? I mean, can it be fixed? I mean,
(04:29):
will it be a situation where it will take one
of the shoe companies, perfectly Nike, just to pull out
and just say, hey, you know what we're done with
the high school scene.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, I mean I see that coming now, you know,
I think that that's what's.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Going to end up happening. And you know, they're more.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Into their own league now, you know, make you started
their own leak with the academies, and you know that's
what they're focusing on now that that looks like their
next eybl on the high school level. But you know,
there's there's a there's a prep school on every corner.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Now.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
It's just like I used to say, you.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Know, back when we had AU team and you know
there was you know, Riverside Church and the Gauchos and
you know, docs team, and you know, then we came
along and with the New York Ravens and you know,
but that you know, you didn't have now as an
AU team, and every corner you know now as a
prep school on every corner. You know, people starting prep school.
(05:28):
They're not even schools. Kids just go there to play basketball.
They don't take any classes. I mean, it's you know,
people are charging them thirty forty thousand dollars a year
to just come and play basketball, you know, and and
they're you know, telling them they're going to help them
get a scholarship. Well they're not getting scholarships either. You know,
being a fifth year senior doesn't necessarily you know, it
(05:51):
puts you in the same boat as a high school kid.
After a year, you're going to go to junior college.
You know, my kids this year, I pushed them all
toward junior college. I got free kids going junior college,
one kid.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Going D two.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You know, I told them, Hey, I believe your Division
one players, but the system doesn't believe that your Division
one players.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
So go to junior college.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Make sure you have twenty four credits after one year,
put your name in a portal after one year. If
it doesn't work, then you got another year junior college.
You got two years to prove that you could go
play D one. You know, but a college coach doesn't
want to look like I look at a high school kid.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I mean, I got a.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Kid right now, six seven, six eighties, most underrated player
ever had. He's a lefty old school basketball player, great IQ,
very coachable, you know, and I mean before COVID, this
kid would be signed, sealed and delivered already to you know,
a top five conference. You know you mentioned earlier a
(06:50):
little bit about the you know, how about UCLA gonna
try out you se, UCLA and USC going from California
to go play Rutgers. I mean, let's go play Rutgers
and run track at Rookers. I mean, what are we
doing here?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
You know?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I think what's going to happen in the next three
or four years. They ain't gonna be an NCAAA. I
think it's gonna be controlled by the conferences. You know,
I think the the SEC and the Big Ten and
the ACC is going to control everything. You know, they're
gonna be the nca They're gonna make their own rules
and have their own league and their own tournament, and
(07:27):
you know, the money is going to follow the good
teams and you know everybody else. You know, maybe the
n I t will become more popular than because everybody
else will be in the NIT.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting you say that, and granted,
you know you're experiencing being a college basketball coach and
seeing how this stuff is and how it's worked out.
I've always wanted to question, you know, why doesn't the
NCAA when it comes to football, look at perhaps emulating
something with the NCAA Tournament.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And the only reason why.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I say that is is we getting to a point
now that if kids are not playing in this playoffs
where it was recently four teams, you know, they're they're
opting out of these bowl games.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So now these bowl games are not drawing the top teams.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I remember watching Florida State play against Georgia and essentially
Florida State was bringing up kids.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
That were freshmen. You know, it was terrible of a game.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
And yet you know, now you're looking at these hosting
committees for the bowls, they're not the revenue is not
there because it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
To go watch these.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Schools if you don't have a situation where kids, the
top tier players are playing. You know, now they're expanding
the playoffs to twelve teams of beliefue, but what do
you you know, is there a reason where you could
think of of why the NCAA wouldn't expand in football
to help status, so help you know, the the bowl
games in these committees that are not a part of
(08:57):
that sort of select group.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You know, if you expand it now, you.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Can have the Citrus Bowl be one of the first
round games if you will, or opportunities for you know,
the top tier players to still continue to play.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, I mean, you know your point to the bowl
teams bowl games is that you know, it's the same
thing as AU. They got one hundred bowl games now,
so it's like you know, all the AU team, so
everything gets voted down.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You know that now I saw, you know, I've seen
elite camps for freshmen and sophomores.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Now I've seen them.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Last weekend, I went to go watch one that was
for seventh and eighth graders. Then I saw a flyer
that Elite camped for third, fourth and fifth graders. I mean,
what are we doing? I mean, you know, the funniest
thing is anybody can, now, you know, start a website
(09:55):
evaluate players and say you're a recruiting guru. You mentioned
so names earlier. You know, Bob Gibbons and obviously the
great late Tom Keohowski, and you know Charlie, you know
those guys now. I mean, you know, I look at
these guys who are writing writing about kids. I don't
(10:16):
think they have a dribble of basketball. Took a shot.
I mean, it's like Looney Tunes. It's like a cartoon characters.
You put them in the same room and give them
a basketball, and I bet you known of them could score.
I mean, you know what qualifies them to to, you know,
evaluate a kid and make a top All they're doing
is selling a service where they got the parents buying
(10:38):
the service to see where that kid is ranked.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
The whole thing is nuts, and we all lost it.
It's lost, it's done. I just don't know how you
can fix it.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, I've had some people within the NBA, you know,
share it with me that, you know, if you look
at the draft this year, top two players French kids.
You know, granted they only combined to score nineteen points,
plan and stuff, but again the international player. And then
(11:11):
I had to tell me that, look, there is a
streamline of kids from Africa that will be.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Again some of the top tier players on the.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Horizon in the near distant future, you know, and saying
all that, coach, when you look at just the landscape now,
and I don't think people realize that the league seems
apparently moving away from the American player and entice with
the European player.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
The international player. I should stay because the game is growing.
You know, in.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Another couple of years, we're going to have you know,
this streaming access where the NBA is going to be
in a situation where they're going to look to get
really heavily in the streaming market. So now it's globalizing
the game even furthermore of a setback? Will that be
if that happens to a lot of these high school players.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Pretty much you hear.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
In the States that look at AU basketball as a
saving grace for them to get to perhaps the NBA.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, I mean that's a great point. And you know,
I don't have an answer for that. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I mean, you know, all I could say is it
looks like it's getting worse before it's going to get
any better.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
You know, I just don't know. You know, you know, kids,
don't you know. It's funny.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
During the summer, I tell my kids, Uh, you know,
I'm in school every day because you know, I work
every day, and you.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Know my job is you know, full year round.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
So I'm there and if you want to come in
and you know, get up some shots, you know, I
get the gun, you want to come up and get
you know, shoot an hour and a half and you
get about thousand shots up. But no, they'd rather go
play in the tournament, you know, on a Friday night
where they could play two games, play five on Saturday,
you know, and play you know three or four on
(13:04):
Sunday and playing nine games in three days and probably
get up a total tops if you're a good player,
you know, maybe twenty five shots versus getting in the
gym and putting up you know, a thousand shots an hour.
You know, they're they're you know what I said to
(13:24):
one kid, why are you playing with this AU program?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I never heard of him.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
His response was, oh, the coach Mexico videos, so they're
playing for highlight tapes to put him up. And I said,
you know, if there's a college coach that gives you
a scholarship on a video, I'm sure he'll be fired
in two or three years. I mean, you know, it's
just it's mind boggling with these kids. Really believe today
(13:51):
they put all that effort into making a video of
you know, I had one kid coming down, you know,
and he put the video of him he missed the dump,
but he got up above the rim and he stopped
the video there and make believe that he was dunking.
I mean, you know, it's just it's just insane. And
they think highlights is the video. You know, video is
(14:14):
going to get a scholarship.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
But that that it's social media.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And I think that's the biggest thing when you look
at you know, where they come from. That's their world
is social media. I want to ask you this in
terms of just you know, as the era has gone,
you know, and and and obviously you mentioned about the
influx of all these these AAU teams, you know, and
(14:38):
you know, all these different things gone, you know, very
limited shoe contracts. But the rise of the trainers every kid,
you know, pretty much, I think the key to success
is personal trainers. And and look, I don't I don't
knock anybody for their hustle, make your money, but I've
had some questions about that in terms of these trainers,
(15:01):
because you know, I grew up in the era where
you know, you were at the gaucho gym. Is you
in there playing? You out in the park?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
You playing?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
You know, and this this trainer was something that you know,
has all of a sudden come out of nowhere, and
you see more kids playing indoor basketball or with their
trainer as opposed to being in the park or being
in a gym working on those fundamentals. What are your
thoughts on just this rise of the trainers that happened
(15:33):
in basketball?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
A bunch of frauds.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I mean, you know, I you know, a parent could
go spend fifty seventy five dollars, you know, an hour
for a trainer, and I've watched some of them, even.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
My own coaches, they do it. On the side. I
give them our gym, and I watched them, and you know, I.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Just shake my head and laughed that parents will actually
pay for what they do. I mean, so everybody's a trainer.
Larry Brown said it best. Everybody has a trainer. Nobody
knows how to play basketball. It's a great quote, you know,
and it's true. Everybody's got to train it, but nobody
knows how to play the game, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
So, I mean I.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Watched Trainers rebound for kids. I watched Trainers, you know,
last year in a game, you know, just to human me,
I've called time out, you know, to go for the
last shot in the game. And in the huddle, I
would say, Okay, here we go. There's no cones on
the court right now. Okay, you're not gonn dribble through cones. Okay,
(16:36):
but here's the set. This is what we're gonna do. Okay, Johnny,
you're gonna go off a double screen. You're gonna I
if he if he jumps the screen, you're gonna fade
to the corner.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Okay. If he footsteps you, you're gonna curl it. Okay.
If he plays you straight up, he's just gonna pop
out and shoot it.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
But there's no cones on the court, okay, and and
you know the point called with the ball, don't dribble.
I don't want you to drill and take a step
back three like Steph Curry. Okay, I want you to
execute the player. I mean, you know, so you know
that's how you know. Hey, I'm sixty years old now
and I've been doing this for thirty five years. I've
been fortunate enough. And do I say I adjusted to
(17:16):
the times.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I sure have.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You know, it's it's different times. And if you don't,
I wouldn't be in the game. And a lot of
coaches are getting out of it because they don't want
to play the game. They don't want to play the
game the way it is now. Okay, I kind of
revolutionize myself. And you know I look at it as now. Hey,
I tell parents, parents ask me all the time, Hey,
what's your what's your style? I said, I don't know.
(17:41):
I don't know my team. You know, I got to
know my team before I could tell you how we're.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Going to play.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You know, I'm not going to do the same thing
every year like some coaches do. You know, it's not
right to the players that I have, So you know,
you have to adjust to the to the coaches have
to adjust to the to the kids.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
That they have.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And I just I'm all in on the no position
player positionles basketball. You know, to me, there's only two
positions on the court, on and off. You're in the
game while you're shitting, you know, on the bench. So
you know, to me, you want to be on the court,
be on the court. You know, everybody gets so caught
up about you know, my trainer says I'm a two,
(18:23):
and my trainer says I'm a one. My trainer says
I'm a three. My trainer says I got to fix
the basket when I play. Okay, you know, but don't
you understand when you go to college, your trainer ain't
gonna be there, and you're gonna have to play the
way the college coach.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Wants you to play anyway.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So I mean, so I just say, hey, man, you
know what, you're all ones now, everybody's a one. You know,
you're the one that's going to rebound, You're the one
that's gonna scream, You're the one that's going to take
the shot. And that's the way we're gonna play. It's
very simple, Uh,
Welcome to another edition of Heavy in the Paint, General
Brown and as always, great to have you on board.
Let's bring on my first guest, my only guest. This
this gentleman that I've had the pleasure of getting to
know working under him with grassroots basketball and one of
the great greatest minds when it comes to grassroots basketball
(00:34):
in New York City, coaching legend. I'm not going to
just limit him to high school, but coaching Legend college
so much of a program and building a program at
Saint Raymond's High schools Now he's doing it out in Chicago,
the legendary mister Garry de sies A joining me coach.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I got to ask you, and.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
We've talked about this before, when we sit back and
say how much the transfer portal has happened, and just
I have my youngest son is seventeen right now and
just going through the process. And I followed your lead
in regards to showcases and all the stuff that's associated
(01:12):
with these college showcase camps.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
But we've heard so many things about.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Nike have lost a lot of money in terms of
just sneakers not doing well. Eybl hasn't really been that
sort of fruitful based upon the fact is it transfer portal?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
When you look at the dynamic.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Of recruiting kids, do you ever think that we'll get
back to a point where you have tournaments spread.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Out like a Charlie Weber Bob Gibbons.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Instead of just the sneaker companies having their own leagues
and controlling everything.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
No, I don't think so. First of all, thanks for
having me Gerald. You're doing a great job and moving
up the ladder, and you're going to catch the mad
dog pretty soon. I don't say that, but you know,
I just think the transfer portal has killed high school basketball.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Kids are not getting recruited anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's you know they You know, if the NCAA back
twenty years ago wasn't so greedy and selfish and shared
money back then, where you didn't really have to give
a lot of money to players, but gave them enough
to be comfortable.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I remember being a college coach and you know, guys
coming to me and say, you know, coach, can you
give me five bucks to do my laundry? I mean,
you know, and of course I would do it, and
you know that was a violation. You couldn't help your players,
so you know the transfer portal. You know, college coaches
(02:49):
just they you know, they recruit the portal. I mean,
I believe as today there's still fifty percent of the
kids in at the portal, still in the portal. Yeah,
you know where they're going. I mean, once you tell
the coach you're going to the portal, they ain't saving
a spot for you. They're going out and you know,
recruiting other guys. And you know, I spoke to many
college coaches that got jobs and they had zero players.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
They had to bring in twelve players. You know, it's
it's a draft.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Every year it's going to be a draft. And I
don't know what the solution is, but I know one thing.
The high school kids are getting hurt.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, I think it's really you know, let's be honest,
it's really like you alluded to the NCAA, which has
created this monster, and when you look at the whole landscape,
it's football that's controlling all of this, you know, absolutely
all and just agreed in terms of these sort of
mega conferences where schools and these conferences don't even make sense.
(03:48):
I mean, you're having West West Coast teams and institutions
center in the ACC I'm trying to wrap my head
around that and gone all this idea of trying to
say that these are student athletes. But you're right, I'd
sold people and told parents if you're not a top
two hundred kid, it makes no sense to play in
(04:08):
some of these tournaments and so called live period events
because at the end of the day out of college,
Ghost tell me, he said, look, I'm going on vacation
during the live period. I might check out a kid
here and now, but I'm going on vacation. And that's
what it's come to. But you know, how do you
fix this? I mean, can it be fixed? I mean,
(04:29):
will it be a situation where it will take one
of the shoe companies, perfectly Nike, just to pull out
and just say, hey, you know what we're done with
the high school scene.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, I mean I see that coming now, you know,
I think that that's what's.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Going to end up happening. And you know, they're more.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Into their own league now, you know, make you started
their own leak with the academies, and you know that's
what they're focusing on now that that looks like their
next eybl on the high school level. But you know,
there's there's a there's a prep school on every corner.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Now.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
It's just like I used to say, you.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Know, back when we had AU team and you know
there was you know, Riverside Church and the Gauchos and
you know, docs team, and you know, then we came
along and with the New York Ravens and you know,
but that you know, you didn't have now as an
AU team, and every corner you know now as a
prep school on every corner. You know, people starting prep school.
(05:28):
They're not even schools. Kids just go there to play basketball.
They don't take any classes. I mean, it's you know,
people are charging them thirty forty thousand dollars a year
to just come and play basketball, you know, and and
they're you know, telling them they're going to help them
get a scholarship. Well they're not getting scholarships either. You know,
being a fifth year senior doesn't necessarily you know, it
(05:51):
puts you in the same boat as a high school kid.
After a year, you're going to go to junior college.
You know, my kids this year, I pushed them all
toward junior college. I got free kids going junior college,
one kid.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Going D two.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You know, I told them, Hey, I believe your Division
one players, but the system doesn't believe that your Division
one players.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
So go to junior college.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Make sure you have twenty four credits after one year,
put your name in a portal after one year. If
it doesn't work, then you got another year junior college.
You got two years to prove that you could go
play D one. You know, but a college coach doesn't
want to look like I look at a high school kid.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I mean, I got a.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Kid right now, six seven, six eighties, most underrated player
ever had. He's a lefty old school basketball player, great IQ,
very coachable, you know, and I mean before COVID, this
kid would be signed, sealed and delivered already to you know,
a top five conference. You know you mentioned earlier a
(06:50):
little bit about the you know, how about UCLA gonna
try out you se, UCLA and USC going from California
to go play Rutgers. I mean, let's go play Rutgers
and run track at Rookers. I mean, what are we
doing here?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
You know?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I think what's going to happen in the next three
or four years. They ain't gonna be an NCAAA. I
think it's gonna be controlled by the conferences. You know,
I think the the SEC and the Big Ten and
the ACC is going to control everything. You know, they're
gonna be the nca They're gonna make their own rules
and have their own league and their own tournament, and
(07:27):
you know, the money is going to follow the good
teams and you know everybody else. You know, maybe the
n I t will become more popular than because everybody
else will be in the NIT.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting you say that, and granted,
you know you're experiencing being a college basketball coach and
seeing how this stuff is and how it's worked out.
I've always wanted to question, you know, why doesn't the
NCAA when it comes to football, look at perhaps emulating
something with the NCAA Tournament.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And the only reason why.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I say that is is we getting to a point
now that if kids are not playing in this playoffs
where it was recently four teams, you know, they're they're
opting out of these bowl games.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So now these bowl games are not drawing the top teams.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I remember watching Florida State play against Georgia and essentially
Florida State was bringing up kids.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
That were freshmen. You know, it was terrible of a game.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
And yet you know, now you're looking at these hosting
committees for the bowls, they're not the revenue is not
there because it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
To go watch these.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Schools if you don't have a situation where kids, the
top tier players are playing. You know, now they're expanding
the playoffs to twelve teams of beliefue, but what do
you you know, is there a reason where you could
think of of why the NCAA wouldn't expand in football
to help status, so help you know, the the bowl
games in these committees that are not a part of
(08:57):
that sort of select group.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You know, if you expand it now, you.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Can have the Citrus Bowl be one of the first
round games if you will, or opportunities for you know,
the top tier players to still continue to play.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, I mean, you know your point to the bowl
teams bowl games is that you know, it's the same
thing as AU. They got one hundred bowl games now,
so it's like you know, all the AU team, so
everything gets voted down.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You know that now I saw, you know, I've seen
elite camps for freshmen and sophomores.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Now I've seen them.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Last weekend, I went to go watch one that was
for seventh and eighth graders. Then I saw a flyer
that Elite camped for third, fourth and fifth graders. I mean,
what are we doing? I mean, you know, the funniest
thing is anybody can, now, you know, start a website
(09:55):
evaluate players and say you're a recruiting guru. You mentioned
so names earlier. You know, Bob Gibbons and obviously the
great late Tom Keohowski, and you know Charlie, you know
those guys now. I mean, you know, I look at
these guys who are writing writing about kids. I don't
(10:16):
think they have a dribble of basketball. Took a shot.
I mean, it's like Looney Tunes. It's like a cartoon characters.
You put them in the same room and give them
a basketball, and I bet you known of them could score.
I mean, you know what qualifies them to to, you know,
evaluate a kid and make a top All they're doing
is selling a service where they got the parents buying
(10:38):
the service to see where that kid is ranked.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
The whole thing is nuts, and we all lost it.
It's lost, it's done. I just don't know how you
can fix it.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, I've had some people within the NBA, you know,
share it with me that, you know, if you look
at the draft this year, top two players French kids.
You know, granted they only combined to score nineteen points,
plan and stuff, but again the international player. And then
(11:11):
I had to tell me that, look, there is a
streamline of kids from Africa that will be.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Again some of the top tier players on the.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Horizon in the near distant future, you know, and saying
all that, coach, when you look at just the landscape now,
and I don't think people realize that the league seems
apparently moving away from the American player and entice with
the European player.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
The international player. I should stay because the game is growing.
You know, in.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Another couple of years, we're going to have you know,
this streaming access where the NBA is going to be
in a situation where they're going to look to get
really heavily in the streaming market. So now it's globalizing
the game even furthermore of a setback? Will that be
if that happens to a lot of these high school players.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Pretty much you hear.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
In the States that look at AU basketball as a
saving grace for them to get to perhaps the NBA.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, I mean that's a great point. And you know,
I don't have an answer for that. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I mean, you know, all I could say is it
looks like it's getting worse before it's going to get
any better.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
You know, I just don't know. You know, you know, kids,
don't you know. It's funny.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
During the summer, I tell my kids, Uh, you know,
I'm in school every day because you know, I work
every day, and you.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Know my job is you know, full year round.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
So I'm there and if you want to come in
and you know, get up some shots, you know, I
get the gun, you want to come up and get
you know, shoot an hour and a half and you
get about thousand shots up. But no, they'd rather go
play in the tournament, you know, on a Friday night
where they could play two games, play five on Saturday,
you know, and play you know three or four on
(13:04):
Sunday and playing nine games in three days and probably
get up a total tops if you're a good player,
you know, maybe twenty five shots versus getting in the
gym and putting up you know, a thousand shots an hour.
You know, they're they're you know what I said to
(13:24):
one kid, why are you playing with this AU program?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I never heard of him.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
His response was, oh, the coach Mexico videos, so they're
playing for highlight tapes to put him up. And I said,
you know, if there's a college coach that gives you
a scholarship on a video, I'm sure he'll be fired
in two or three years. I mean, you know, it's
just it's mind boggling with these kids. Really believe today
(13:51):
they put all that effort into making a video of
you know, I had one kid coming down, you know,
and he put the video of him he missed the dump,
but he got up above the rim and he stopped
the video there and make believe that he was dunking.
I mean, you know, it's just it's just insane. And
they think highlights is the video. You know, video is
(14:14):
going to get a scholarship.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
But that that it's social media.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And I think that's the biggest thing when you look
at you know, where they come from. That's their world
is social media. I want to ask you this in
terms of just you know, as the era has gone,
you know, and and and obviously you mentioned about the
influx of all these these AAU teams, you know, and
(14:38):
you know, all these different things gone, you know, very
limited shoe contracts. But the rise of the trainers every kid,
you know, pretty much, I think the key to success
is personal trainers. And and look, I don't I don't
knock anybody for their hustle, make your money, but I've
had some questions about that in terms of these trainers,
(15:01):
because you know, I grew up in the era where
you know, you were at the gaucho gym. Is you
in there playing? You out in the park?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
You playing?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
You know, and this this trainer was something that you know,
has all of a sudden come out of nowhere, and
you see more kids playing indoor basketball or with their
trainer as opposed to being in the park or being
in a gym working on those fundamentals. What are your
thoughts on just this rise of the trainers that happened
(15:33):
in basketball?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
A bunch of frauds.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I mean, you know, I you know, a parent could
go spend fifty seventy five dollars, you know, an hour
for a trainer, and I've watched some of them, even.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
My own coaches, they do it. On the side. I
give them our gym, and I watched them, and you know, I.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Just shake my head and laughed that parents will actually
pay for what they do. I mean, so everybody's a trainer.
Larry Brown said it best. Everybody has a trainer. Nobody
knows how to play basketball. It's a great quote, you know,
and it's true. Everybody's got to train it, but nobody
knows how to play the game, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
So, I mean I.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Watched Trainers rebound for kids. I watched Trainers, you know,
last year in a game, you know, just to human me,
I've called time out, you know, to go for the
last shot in the game. And in the huddle, I
would say, Okay, here we go. There's no cones on
the court right now. Okay, you're not gonn dribble through cones. Okay,
(16:36):
but here's the set. This is what we're gonna do. Okay, Johnny,
you're gonna go off a double screen. You're gonna I
if he if he jumps the screen, you're gonna fade
to the corner.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Okay. If he footsteps you, you're gonna curl it. Okay.
If he plays you straight up, he's just gonna pop
out and shoot it.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
But there's no cones on the court, okay, and and
you know the point called with the ball, don't dribble.
I don't want you to drill and take a step
back three like Steph Curry. Okay, I want you to
execute the player. I mean, you know, so you know
that's how you know. Hey, I'm sixty years old now
and I've been doing this for thirty five years. I've
been fortunate enough. And do I say I adjusted to
(17:16):
the times.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I sure have.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You know, it's it's different times. And if you don't,
I wouldn't be in the game. And a lot of
coaches are getting out of it because they don't want
to play the game. They don't want to play the
game the way it is now. Okay, I kind of
revolutionize myself. And you know I look at it as now. Hey,
I tell parents, parents ask me all the time, Hey,
what's your what's your style? I said, I don't know.
(17:41):
I don't know my team. You know, I got to
know my team before I could tell you how we're.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Going to play.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You know, I'm not going to do the same thing
every year like some coaches do. You know, it's not
right to the players that I have, So you know,
you have to adjust to the to the coaches have
to adjust to the to the kids.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
That they have.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And I just I'm all in on the no position
player positionles basketball. You know, to me, there's only two
positions on the court, on and off. You're in the
game while you're shitting, you know, on the bench. So
you know, to me, you want to be on the court,
be on the court. You know, everybody gets so caught
up about you know, my trainer says I'm a two,
(18:23):
and my trainer says I'm a one. My trainer says
I'm a three. My trainer says I got to fix
the basket when I play. Okay, you know, but don't
you understand when you go to college, your trainer ain't
gonna be there, and you're gonna have to play the
way the college coach.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Wants you to play anyway.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So I mean, so I just say, hey, man, you
know what, you're all ones now, everybody's a one. You know,
you're the one that's going to rebound, You're the one
that's gonna scream, You're the one that's going to take
the shot. And that's the way we're gonna play. It's
very simple, Uh,
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