November 14, 2024 • 12 mins
Helping Save Spokane: Priced Out
A NonStop Local Exclusive Podcast. NonStop Local KHQ's Sean Owsley sits down with Adam Schwager to talk about Spokane's Homeless Crisis.
A NonStop Local Exclusive Podcast. NonStop Local KHQ's Sean Owsley sits down with Adam Schwager to talk about Spokane's Homeless Crisis.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The holidays are all about sharing with family, meals, couches, stories,
Gramma secret pecan pie recipe, and now you can also
share a cart with Instacart's family carts. Everyone can add
what they want to one group cart from wherever they are,
so you don't have to go from room to room
to find out who wants cranberry sauce, or who should
get many marshmallows for the ams, or collecting votes for
sugar cookies versus shortbread. Just share a cart and then
(00:22):
share the meals and the moments. Download the instacart app
and get delivery in as fast as thirty minutes. Plus
enjoy free delivery on your first three orders. Service fees
and terms apply.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Why get all your holiday decorations delivered through instacart Because
maybe you only bought two wreaths but you have twelve windows,
Or maybe your toddler got very eager with the advent calendar,
or maybe the inflatable snowman didn't make it through the snowstorm,
or maybe the twinkle lights aren't twinkling. Whatever the reason,
this season, Instacart's here for hosts and their whole holiday haul.
(00:53):
Get decorations from the home depots CBS and more through
Instacart and enjoy free delivery on your first three orders.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
In terms ofpply, unless I get a good page of
like last one, I won't rent a place. Sarah little
John recently laid off the fifteen hundred dollars a month
rent for her apartment too expensive. Now she's living with
a friend and worried that the next move will be
on the street. There's not enough affordable housing, and there
is a housing shortage in Spokane. There's a housing shortage
(01:22):
in the state of Washington. Hi everyone, I'm Sean Elsley.
This is the NonStop Local h Q podcast and for
Sarah's story and more in depth on the housing issue
and the homelessness crisis in our area. Reporter Adam Schweger,
whose story aired last night on NonStop Local HQ. Adam,
good to have you with us.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Oh nice to be here, Sean.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Let's talk about Sarah's story. First, you talk to her.
What was her takeaways? I think it's it's a story
that is not unique that we have heard echoed here
in our area for some time. Affordability, trying to make
ends meet, trying to pay rent, and then probably having
to pick which bill you're paying.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, it's a fascinating story. Sarah's right there because I
actually found her outside the grocery outlet downtown and she
had two minutes for me. She said, Hey, I'm in
the middle of an instacart order. She's doing what she
can to make ends meet, working, working, as she got
laid off recently, and she's like, I got two minutes
(02:21):
for you. So I'm like, okay, I don't have time
to get my gear from the car. Here. I just
took out my phone and she just opened up. She
was like, yeah, I lost my job recently. I had
fifteen hundred dollars a month, and by the time that happened,
I estimated I was paying one hundred percent of my
monthly income towards that house. So I had to move out.
She's been picking up work where she can, but she's
(02:41):
a mother, she's a grandmother, and her daughters are she says,
it's struggling with the same thing. One thing that really
stuck with me that unfortunately my phone because we had
to do it so fast, the audio didn't capture well
enough that I couldn't put in When she said, you
know I have my daughters are struggling. I have a granddaughter.
If we all have to go homeless, like I guess,
we'll have to live in a box. Is the direct quote, sence.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
The fear and the level of the fear in that
statement alone. I think what stood out to me there
as you for somebody that maybe didn't see your report
on our broadcast side, is they're not afraid to work.
It's not like they're not working. It's not like the
effort is not there. It's the affordability piece, and that
dynamic is complex for so many people. They want to work,
(03:25):
they want to earn money, they want to pay for
their own place. Some of people are getting priced out,
or if you're laid off and you're taking a cut
and pay, that's the difference of having a roof over
your head and not.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
It's brutal. I mean the US Census data, the median
price for a two bedroom and so the fair market
value price for a two betterment Spokane has nearly doubled
or sorry, has gone up nearly fifty percent since twenty ten.
It's just startling figures, especially, I mean, if your income
(03:57):
isn't going up by the same amount over that time,
how are you supposed to keep up. And then we
also talked to providers at SNAP and it's you know,
if you're spending upwards of fifty percent of your income
on rent, how are you supposed to pay for the
other things? And they said it's a healthcare issue as well, right,
because if you are on the streets, there's nowhere to
put your medications, so you everything else, it's just the
(04:19):
day to day survival thing, and your long term health suffers.
So for a lot of these people, if they don't
have a stable place to live, that can be a
matter of life or death.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Let's talk about I know you talked to Nicholas and
he was trying to secure it a place, but the
problem is for him, which is a story that is
mirrored and we've heard it before. I mean, I just
did a recent interview on the median price to buy
a home, which was about four hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
(04:48):
That's the median price in Spokane. We're talking about just
trying to secure a place for Nicholas, not a lot
of credit history. He even offered to pay six months out,
ording to your report in your interview with him. The
dynamic for him, what did you learn. What did you
take away from the interview with Nicholas.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah, another fascinating story. Also in the grocery outlet parking lot.
And the reason he was there is because, as you mentioned,
he said, he offered six months of rent as a
down payment to try to get into housing. He's been
on the street since twenty twelve. She just doesn't have
a lot of bills in his name. He said, you know,
the people he went to just ran his system through
the computer and we're like, I'm sorry, even.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
With this, so it was very black and white.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
It was very black and white. They just put in
his information in the computer and they said, sorry, you're
not eligible. And he actually ended up spending that on
a used beat up car, got rear ended, car broke
down in that parking lot, and that's where he was.
He's in this area right now because the Canon Navigation
Shelter is in our area, in this downtown corridor right now,
(05:52):
just people trying to figure out what they can do
to stay warm, because he was at track, which recently
closed on Halloween, and now that car is his place
to stay warm as we head into the winter.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I want to read a portion of your story a
paragraph from it because it stood out to me, and
I want you to expand on it and give us
some context. This is from your report verbatim last night.
But what is affordable housing? The US Department of Housing
and Urban Development says it's when people spend thirty percent
or less of their monthly income on housing costs including utilities.
So hypothetically, if you make one thousand dollars a month,
(06:25):
at three hundred or a fewer dollars go toward rent utilities,
it is considered affordable. That is a stark snapshot for
so many people. That's real life. For a lot of people,
that is real life.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
I mean, over I believe the number was over fifty
percent are above that thirty percent threshold here in Spokane County.
It's something that for a lot of people, it seems
like a fairy tale to be able to spend thirty
percent or less of your monthly income on housing including utilities.
I mean, it's when I moved here in at the
(07:01):
start of January of last year, I was living in
downtown Phoenix, a much larger city, and you might expect, okay,
the cost of living might be a little bit less year,
but it's was spot on when I was looking at apartments,
the apartments in downtown Phoenix versus the apartments in downtown
Spokane for the same units, same size, same bedroom, or
about the same price. I don't think that's necessarily something
that I expected when I was moving here, and it's
(07:23):
certainly something that's hitting a lot of Spokane County families
because that wasn't the case a decade ago.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Let's pull up to a forty thousand foot view, Adam,
and this is not the specific report last night, but
you have done story after story on this is the
issue of our time, for our city, for our region,
and you talked about affordable housing. I know a lot
of the debate on the interviews that I've done in
the past to provide context is connecting people that are
(07:51):
homeless to resources that can kind of give them that
first safety net, buoy them and get them their trajectory changed,
their daily life change toward their own place to call home.
And at the same time, a lot of people feel
like building a new affordable housing is an answer as well.
(08:12):
What's your takeaway from the people that you talk to
and the stories that you've reported on.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
I mean, I think the takeaway you know, talking to
GEU professors people from SNAP, they have their own affordable
housing that they end up putting on the market. It's
more affordable housing, but it's more housing up and down
the entire spectrum. It's more housing here in Spokane, it's
more housing in the entire area. I mean, even if
there's new apartment complexes in Rathtroom or Post Falls that
(08:39):
are not affordable for the people who currently on the streets,
that could move people out of housing upwards and then
leave housing that might be affordable for these people to
get off the streets. But it seems that right now.
I mean, it's as that story described, it's so hard
to get off the streets once you're in there. One
thing I learned from SNAP is with all these programs,
(09:01):
they had a lot of pandemic relief assistance when that
pandemic hit from federal funds, state funds that were coming
in to help these programs. Four million dollars was about
how much was going towards their rental assistance program. Now
it's about nine hundred thousand dollars a year, and that's
made it so that program has to be basically slashed
(09:24):
into an eviction prevention program. So if you can come
to them and say, hey, if you can help assist me,
this will stave off my eviction and then I can
be stable within the next ten to eleven twelve months.
They can do that, but at this point they can't
just help you if that's not going to make you stable,
And it makes it so that if you're on the margins,
there are definitely things that can help. It's still difficult,
(09:46):
but once you're on the street, it's so much harder
to get back off of it.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Let's come full circle back to Sarah's story, because they
stood out to me. I mean, you basically talked to
her a two minutes. You gleaned so much about the
struggle that she's facing. It's an individual snapshot and a
prism to a much bigger problem that so many. We
have more than two thousand people at least at last
point count here in our area that are without a house,
(10:10):
have no home, that are living on the street. For Sarah,
what was your takeaway on her demeanor? Was she fearful?
Was she determined? Was she persistent? Was she optimistic that
she would be able to pull back out of this?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
I think it was it was like a defiance but
also a defeatedness. At the same time, she didn't necessarily
her demeanor was a way of like she knows the
struggle she's up against, and she was able to make
light of the situation a little bit. I mean that
comment about her and her daughter's living in a box
(10:45):
together gave a little truckle after that, But at the
same time, it was this I mean defeatedness because she
had lost her job, and she was like, if I
don't get another high paying job like the last one
I had, I don't know if I would be able
to afford. And she was lucky enough to have a
place to live, but she doesn't necessarily have that strong
(11:05):
support system that some other people might have. And it
does feel like there is a fear about being on
the street, But at this point it seems that because
that fear might be so close to reality, she kind
of has accepted that this might have to be the reality,
and I might have to adjust myself in order to
prepare myself.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Let me give you the final say here, what's your
final kind of big picture takeaway? After researching this story
and reporting on this story, what stands out to you
with where we are as a community when it comes
to affordable housing and getting people hous that have been
on the street, either short term or long term.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I mean, it just seems that there aren't enough places
in Spokane County, in the entire region to live for
the amount of people that we have out here. And
it's not an easy solution. There's a lot of obstacles
in the way towards building new construction. Even if you
were to say, let's build thousands of new units tomorrow,
(12:03):
that still takes time. And then beyond that, there's still
people who are not necessarily going to be the easiest
to house in the first place, whether it's the addiction struggles,
whether it's having prior felony history. One of the things
I talked with about SNAP is people who have arson
on their history, no one's gonna want to rent out
to them. But it's been ten, twelve, fourteen years down
(12:26):
the road, I mean, these things are still sticking with people.
So there's just a lot of things and it has
to be that multifaceted approach. And I mean, I can
study this all day, and we've been doing these stories
for months, and I still feel like I barely have
a grasp on exactly how to solve the issue. And
that's right, that's what makes it so hard a problem
of our times. If it was easy enough to solve,
it would have been solved by now.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah, well, well said, we have to leave it there,
Adam Schweger. Adam, thanks for coming on the non Stop
Localcation podcast and such an important conversation. And it's a
balance between compassion for hardship for individuals as well as
trying to find some type of panacea, some cure all
to remedy this. And it's not Spokane, you know, isolated.
(13:10):
This is a problem that has a ripple effect across
the United States and so many different towns and cities.
Such an important conversation. Thanks for being with us.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
All Right, it's the NonStop Local KHQ podcast. I'm Sean Elsley,
saving Spokane, finding solutions to the homeless cressives on NonStop
Local Exclusive podcast.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
The holidays are all about sharing with family, meals, couches, stories,
Gramma secret pecan pie recipe, and now you can also
share a cart with Instacart's family carts. Everyone can add
what they want to one group cart. From wherever they are,
so you don't have to go from room to room
to find out who wants cranberry sauce, or who should
get many marshmallows for the ams, or collecting votes for
sugar cookies versus shortbread. Just share a cart and then
(13:51):
share the meals and the moments. Download the instacart app
and get delivery in as fast as thirty minutes. Plus
enjoy free delivery on your first three orders. Service fees
and terms apply.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Why get all your holiday decorations delivered through instacart Because
maybe you only bought two wreaths but you have twelve windows,
Or maybe your toddler got very eager with the advent calendar,
or maybe the inflatable snowman didn't make it through the snowstorm,
or maybe the twinkle lights aren't twinkling. Whatever the reason,
this season, Instacart's here for hosts and their whole holiday hall.
(14:22):
Get decorations from the home depots, cvs and more through
instacart and enjoy free delivery on your first three orders.
Service fees and terms apply.
The holidays are all about sharing with family, meals, couches, stories,
Gramma secret pecan pie recipe, and now you can also
share a cart with Instacart's family carts. Everyone can add
what they want to one group cart from wherever they are,
so you don't have to go from room to room
to find out who wants cranberry sauce, or who should
get many marshmallows for the ams, or collecting votes for
sugar cookies versus shortbread. Just share a cart and then
(00:22):
share the meals and the moments. Download the instacart app
and get delivery in as fast as thirty minutes. Plus
enjoy free delivery on your first three orders. Service fees
and terms apply.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Why get all your holiday decorations delivered through instacart Because
maybe you only bought two wreaths but you have twelve windows,
Or maybe your toddler got very eager with the advent calendar,
or maybe the inflatable snowman didn't make it through the snowstorm,
or maybe the twinkle lights aren't twinkling. Whatever the reason,
this season, Instacart's here for hosts and their whole holiday haul.
(00:53):
Get decorations from the home depots CBS and more through
Instacart and enjoy free delivery on your first three orders.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
In terms ofpply, unless I get a good page of
like last one, I won't rent a place. Sarah little
John recently laid off the fifteen hundred dollars a month
rent for her apartment too expensive. Now she's living with
a friend and worried that the next move will be
on the street. There's not enough affordable housing, and there
is a housing shortage in Spokane. There's a housing shortage
(01:22):
in the state of Washington. Hi everyone, I'm Sean Elsley.
This is the NonStop Local h Q podcast and for
Sarah's story and more in depth on the housing issue
and the homelessness crisis in our area. Reporter Adam Schweger,
whose story aired last night on NonStop Local HQ. Adam,
good to have you with us.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Oh nice to be here, Sean.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Let's talk about Sarah's story. First, you talk to her.
What was her takeaways? I think it's it's a story
that is not unique that we have heard echoed here
in our area for some time. Affordability, trying to make
ends meet, trying to pay rent, and then probably having
to pick which bill you're paying.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, it's a fascinating story. Sarah's right there because I
actually found her outside the grocery outlet downtown and she
had two minutes for me. She said, Hey, I'm in
the middle of an instacart order. She's doing what she
can to make ends meet, working, working, as she got
laid off recently, and she's like, I got two minutes
(02:21):
for you. So I'm like, okay, I don't have time
to get my gear from the car. Here. I just
took out my phone and she just opened up. She
was like, yeah, I lost my job recently. I had
fifteen hundred dollars a month, and by the time that happened,
I estimated I was paying one hundred percent of my
monthly income towards that house. So I had to move out.
She's been picking up work where she can, but she's
(02:41):
a mother, she's a grandmother, and her daughters are she says,
it's struggling with the same thing. One thing that really
stuck with me that unfortunately my phone because we had
to do it so fast, the audio didn't capture well
enough that I couldn't put in When she said, you
know I have my daughters are struggling. I have a granddaughter.
If we all have to go homeless, like I guess,
we'll have to live in a box. Is the direct quote, sence.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
The fear and the level of the fear in that
statement alone. I think what stood out to me there
as you for somebody that maybe didn't see your report
on our broadcast side, is they're not afraid to work.
It's not like they're not working. It's not like the
effort is not there. It's the affordability piece, and that
dynamic is complex for so many people. They want to work,
(03:25):
they want to earn money, they want to pay for
their own place. Some of people are getting priced out,
or if you're laid off and you're taking a cut
and pay, that's the difference of having a roof over
your head and not.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
It's brutal. I mean the US Census data, the median
price for a two bedroom and so the fair market
value price for a two betterment Spokane has nearly doubled
or sorry, has gone up nearly fifty percent since twenty ten.
It's just startling figures, especially, I mean, if your income
(03:57):
isn't going up by the same amount over that time,
how are you supposed to keep up. And then we
also talked to providers at SNAP and it's you know,
if you're spending upwards of fifty percent of your income
on rent, how are you supposed to pay for the
other things? And they said it's a healthcare issue as well, right,
because if you are on the streets, there's nowhere to
put your medications, so you everything else, it's just the
(04:19):
day to day survival thing, and your long term health suffers.
So for a lot of these people, if they don't
have a stable place to live, that can be a
matter of life or death.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Let's talk about I know you talked to Nicholas and
he was trying to secure it a place, but the
problem is for him, which is a story that is
mirrored and we've heard it before. I mean, I just
did a recent interview on the median price to buy
a home, which was about four hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
(04:48):
That's the median price in Spokane. We're talking about just
trying to secure a place for Nicholas, not a lot
of credit history. He even offered to pay six months out,
ording to your report in your interview with him. The
dynamic for him, what did you learn. What did you
take away from the interview with Nicholas.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah, another fascinating story. Also in the grocery outlet parking lot.
And the reason he was there is because, as you mentioned,
he said, he offered six months of rent as a
down payment to try to get into housing. He's been
on the street since twenty twelve. She just doesn't have
a lot of bills in his name. He said, you know,
the people he went to just ran his system through
the computer and we're like, I'm sorry, even.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
With this, so it was very black and white.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
It was very black and white. They just put in
his information in the computer and they said, sorry, you're
not eligible. And he actually ended up spending that on
a used beat up car, got rear ended, car broke
down in that parking lot, and that's where he was.
He's in this area right now because the Canon Navigation
Shelter is in our area, in this downtown corridor right now,
(05:52):
just people trying to figure out what they can do
to stay warm, because he was at track, which recently
closed on Halloween, and now that car is his place
to stay warm as we head into the winter.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I want to read a portion of your story a
paragraph from it because it stood out to me, and
I want you to expand on it and give us
some context. This is from your report verbatim last night.
But what is affordable housing? The US Department of Housing
and Urban Development says it's when people spend thirty percent
or less of their monthly income on housing costs including utilities.
So hypothetically, if you make one thousand dollars a month,
(06:25):
at three hundred or a fewer dollars go toward rent utilities,
it is considered affordable. That is a stark snapshot for
so many people. That's real life. For a lot of people,
that is real life.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
I mean, over I believe the number was over fifty
percent are above that thirty percent threshold here in Spokane County.
It's something that for a lot of people, it seems
like a fairy tale to be able to spend thirty
percent or less of your monthly income on housing including utilities.
I mean, it's when I moved here in at the
(07:01):
start of January of last year, I was living in
downtown Phoenix, a much larger city, and you might expect, okay,
the cost of living might be a little bit less year,
but it's was spot on when I was looking at apartments,
the apartments in downtown Phoenix versus the apartments in downtown
Spokane for the same units, same size, same bedroom, or
about the same price. I don't think that's necessarily something
that I expected when I was moving here, and it's
(07:23):
certainly something that's hitting a lot of Spokane County families
because that wasn't the case a decade ago.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Let's pull up to a forty thousand foot view, Adam,
and this is not the specific report last night, but
you have done story after story on this is the
issue of our time, for our city, for our region,
and you talked about affordable housing. I know a lot
of the debate on the interviews that I've done in
the past to provide context is connecting people that are
(07:51):
homeless to resources that can kind of give them that
first safety net, buoy them and get them their trajectory changed,
their daily life change toward their own place to call home.
And at the same time, a lot of people feel
like building a new affordable housing is an answer as well.
(08:12):
What's your takeaway from the people that you talk to
and the stories that you've reported on.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
I mean, I think the takeaway you know, talking to
GEU professors people from SNAP, they have their own affordable
housing that they end up putting on the market. It's
more affordable housing, but it's more housing up and down
the entire spectrum. It's more housing here in Spokane, it's
more housing in the entire area. I mean, even if
there's new apartment complexes in Rathtroom or Post Falls that
(08:39):
are not affordable for the people who currently on the streets,
that could move people out of housing upwards and then
leave housing that might be affordable for these people to
get off the streets. But it seems that right now.
I mean, it's as that story described, it's so hard
to get off the streets once you're in there. One
thing I learned from SNAP is with all these programs,
(09:01):
they had a lot of pandemic relief assistance when that
pandemic hit from federal funds, state funds that were coming
in to help these programs. Four million dollars was about
how much was going towards their rental assistance program. Now
it's about nine hundred thousand dollars a year, and that's
made it so that program has to be basically slashed
(09:24):
into an eviction prevention program. So if you can come
to them and say, hey, if you can help assist me,
this will stave off my eviction and then I can
be stable within the next ten to eleven twelve months.
They can do that, but at this point they can't
just help you if that's not going to make you stable,
And it makes it so that if you're on the margins,
there are definitely things that can help. It's still difficult,
(09:46):
but once you're on the street, it's so much harder
to get back off of it.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Let's come full circle back to Sarah's story, because they
stood out to me. I mean, you basically talked to
her a two minutes. You gleaned so much about the
struggle that she's facing. It's an individual snapshot and a
prism to a much bigger problem that so many. We
have more than two thousand people at least at last
point count here in our area that are without a house,
(10:10):
have no home, that are living on the street. For Sarah,
what was your takeaway on her demeanor? Was she fearful?
Was she determined? Was she persistent? Was she optimistic that
she would be able to pull back out of this?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
I think it was it was like a defiance but
also a defeatedness. At the same time, she didn't necessarily
her demeanor was a way of like she knows the
struggle she's up against, and she was able to make
light of the situation a little bit. I mean that
comment about her and her daughter's living in a box
(10:45):
together gave a little truckle after that, But at the
same time, it was this I mean defeatedness because she
had lost her job, and she was like, if I
don't get another high paying job like the last one
I had, I don't know if I would be able
to afford. And she was lucky enough to have a
place to live, but she doesn't necessarily have that strong
(11:05):
support system that some other people might have. And it
does feel like there is a fear about being on
the street, But at this point it seems that because
that fear might be so close to reality, she kind
of has accepted that this might have to be the reality,
and I might have to adjust myself in order to
prepare myself.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Let me give you the final say here, what's your
final kind of big picture takeaway? After researching this story
and reporting on this story, what stands out to you
with where we are as a community when it comes
to affordable housing and getting people hous that have been
on the street, either short term or long term.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I mean, it just seems that there aren't enough places
in Spokane County, in the entire region to live for
the amount of people that we have out here. And
it's not an easy solution. There's a lot of obstacles
in the way towards building new construction. Even if you
were to say, let's build thousands of new units tomorrow,
(12:03):
that still takes time. And then beyond that, there's still
people who are not necessarily going to be the easiest
to house in the first place, whether it's the addiction struggles,
whether it's having prior felony history. One of the things
I talked with about SNAP is people who have arson
on their history, no one's gonna want to rent out
to them. But it's been ten, twelve, fourteen years down
(12:26):
the road, I mean, these things are still sticking with people.
So there's just a lot of things and it has
to be that multifaceted approach. And I mean, I can
study this all day, and we've been doing these stories
for months, and I still feel like I barely have
a grasp on exactly how to solve the issue. And
that's right, that's what makes it so hard a problem
of our times. If it was easy enough to solve,
it would have been solved by now.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah, well, well said, we have to leave it there,
Adam Schweger. Adam, thanks for coming on the non Stop
Localcation podcast and such an important conversation. And it's a
balance between compassion for hardship for individuals as well as
trying to find some type of panacea, some cure all
to remedy this. And it's not Spokane, you know, isolated.
(13:10):
This is a problem that has a ripple effect across
the United States and so many different towns and cities.
Such an important conversation. Thanks for being with us.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
All Right, it's the NonStop Local KHQ podcast. I'm Sean Elsley,
saving Spokane, finding solutions to the homeless cressives on NonStop
Local Exclusive podcast.
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