July 22, 2024 • 41 mins
Join us for an inspiring episode as we sit down with Katie Morgan, Director of Creative Video Production for the Las Vegas Aces, in our series highlighting women who are making waves in the sports industry. Katie shares her journey from her early days as a film producer to becoming a pivotal figure in the WNBA.
Throughout her three seasons with the Aces, Katie has revolutionized how fans connect with players through compelling video content. She's not just the only full-time employee with her title in the WNBA, but she leads a team of seven to eight video producers who have elevated the Aces to the top of the league in fan engagement and attendance.
In our conversation, Katie discusses her groundbreaking idea to produce documentaries chronicling the Aces' championship seasons, including the recent hit, "Aces Vs. Everybody," which captured the team's triumphant 2023 title run. Her dedication to storytelling and her ability to showcase the personal side of athletes have resonated deeply with fans, players, and the league alike.
We also delve into Katie's impressive career path prior to joining the Aces, where she served as an associate producer for MLB productions, worked as an executive producer at Time Warner Cable, and contributed to NBC Olympics. Her experience and passion for sports production shine through in every project she undertakes.
Tune in to hear Katie Morgan's insights on the importance of representation in sports media, her journey to becoming a pioneer in WNBA video production, and her vision for the future of sports content creation. This is an episode you won't want to miss!
Throughout her three seasons with the Aces, Katie has revolutionized how fans connect with players through compelling video content. She's not just the only full-time employee with her title in the WNBA, but she leads a team of seven to eight video producers who have elevated the Aces to the top of the league in fan engagement and attendance.
In our conversation, Katie discusses her groundbreaking idea to produce documentaries chronicling the Aces' championship seasons, including the recent hit, "Aces Vs. Everybody," which captured the team's triumphant 2023 title run. Her dedication to storytelling and her ability to showcase the personal side of athletes have resonated deeply with fans, players, and the league alike.
We also delve into Katie's impressive career path prior to joining the Aces, where she served as an associate producer for MLB productions, worked as an executive producer at Time Warner Cable, and contributed to NBC Olympics. Her experience and passion for sports production shine through in every project she undertakes.
Tune in to hear Katie Morgan's insights on the importance of representation in sports media, her journey to becoming a pioneer in WNBA video production, and her vision for the future of sports content creation. This is an episode you won't want to miss!
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This episode is brought to you by Tina's vodka.
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Hi, my name's Katie Morgan. I'm with the Las Vegas Asus. I'm the creative director of
storytelling and this is her table. Now you see her.
You are magnificent!
Welcome to her table, the podcast that shines a spotlight on the badass women who are redefining
the game. Join host Kate Foley and Megan Martinez as Payon Locke, the secrets of success
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in the brightest female pioneers in the industry. What's up everyone? Welcome back to her table.
We are so excited to be in our third set in Las Vegas. We're at Summer League and now we're here
and it is absolutely amazing. We are so excited to welcome in our guest today, Katie Morgan.
She is the creative director for the Las Vegas Asus. I can't wait to see. I wonder if she brought
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her ring. They are two-time WNBA champions. She is responsible for the Asus versus
Everybody campaign, which is spot on because they are killing the game not only on the court,
but off the court. Katie Morgan has worked with the Seattle storm. She's worked in MLB.
She actually interned starting at 26 I heard. I want to know where she started and how she got
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where she is. Let's welcome Katie Morgan to her table.
Katie, I'm so excited we have you here today. Welcome to our third edition of a set
for her table. This is a new one. We've been at Las Vegas Summer League for the last two days
and now we're here in our new studios that up in Las Vegas. Welcome. First of all, I am so honored
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to be here. You have no idea what you're doing is just incredible. I'm really honored to be here.
I need them to turn the lights down. I need them to do something because this rock on your hand
is blinding all of us. Please tell us what this is. I need one and can I get one?
Okay, look, I know you want to touch it. Okay, so I want to listen. This is the back-to-back championship
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world championship ring for the Las Vegas Aces. Oh my god. Mark Davis is the best owner and not
only did he buy the players and the coaching staff this ring, he also bought the entire staff this
ring. You have to ensure that. Oh, yeah. I want to stay farm and I'm pretty. Is it security guard outside
for you or for this? I need to know. Let's just say my first one is in a lock box and this one,
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I thought I'd bring it to the show just so you could see how amazing this is powerful. It's heavy,
it's powerful. I feel like you could totally knock four or five teeth out with this if you needed to.
So this is so beautiful. Yeah, it's really nice touch and you can see the two
championship, the trophies are on the front of it. Do you wear this to like date night? Heck no.
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Okay, I'm just wondering because that would be super intimidating. I don't even want to wear it in
the street because yeah, I'm afraid I get wet. Oh, no, I can't wear that in the street. And if you
lost it, you would be just devastated. Oh, this is wild. It like fits me perfectly. I don't know.
I already have one so you can have that one. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's like, yeah, listen here,
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Megan, give it back. How incredible. I know. How inspiring too for like young woman to see that like
you too can sorry. Yeah, you know, bangs it again. I know I could go. I'm like, yeah,
I'm like, it's a church. It's a church. It's a church. It's a church. Okay.
I just see it. It's incredible though. But yeah, that's amazing. And that's a good start too. Yeah.
Well, while you're here today, well, and what's crazy, I've been in sports my entire life. Thank you.
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How long have you been working on that? Yeah. Well, you know, I started playing softball as a very
young girl, but then after I graduated from college, I've been in sports my entire life. I mean,
I've been surrounded about it around with it. And my father was a Hall of Fame baseball coach,
my brother played collegiate golf and my mom taught physical education. So it was kind of in the
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stars for me. But yeah, I mean, I've been on so many teams and I've never won a ring. And then I come
to Vegas and I've won two back-to-back rings. That's called destiny. That's divine intervention from
yeah, whatever god you believe it. Yeah, absolutely. I love it. It's we we had a guest yesterday on that
was talking about angel numbers because she got a tattoo. It was like two to two. And I was like,
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okay, what is this? And she goes, it just means you're exactly where you're supposed to be in this
exact moment of time. And you have to trust that. Yeah. How incredible is that for you to have been
through so much in your career? Yeah. To then be where you are. Did you ever have moments where you
were like, what am I doing? And why? Yeah, I don't know. Like my angel numbers are three three three.
Who are those people? Well, I'm not really sure. I just know that it's really freaking awesome. Did you
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I did you pick them or those like actual? No, so what's crazy is people will tell you they'll see it
on clocks or they'll see it on license plates or they'll see it on a billboard. And ones are really
spiritual. Threes are really spiritual. I think honestly, threes are about creativity and being in
your bag. And but yeah, I mean, it's crazy. I think a lot of people will tell you some of the elite
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athletes and the greats at what they do probably always dreamt about it. But for me, I just was kind of like,
oh, that's fun. I think I'll do that. Or I just kind of go where someone tells me like I was telling
Megan earlier how I got into sports is so incredibly cool. So I played at KU as softball players,
a short stop. Graduated from there went to University of Alabama. Was kind of a grad assistant coach
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manager for Pat Murphy. And I think I coached there for three years. We ended up going to the college
world series. And I just told Pat, I'm like, Pat, I'm done. I don't I don't want to work with kids.
I want to go. I want to get into film. I want to be a director. I'm going to go to LA. Now,
meanwhile, I grew up. My mom was the first woman in Oklahoma to buy a camcorder and make a business
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out of it. So I was editing in junior high in high school. I would take the Barbara Walter specials.
And I would edit Barbara out. And I would edit myself asking the questions to like a Julia Roberts
or Mel Gibson. I need to see these clips. Yeah, please.
I'm doing that because that's amazing. They were amazing. So when I went to KU, I wanted to be in
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sports broadcasting. They didn't have that. They had theater. So I chose education. So fast forward,
Pat Murphy was like, listen, Katie, you're never going to make it in LA. You've never taken a class
as a director. Why don't you, we'll call this friend of mine, Amy Leoni. I love her to death.
She was working for Dick Evertsaw and NBC. She was high exec. She's now with Fox Sports. She's the VP
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of talent. And she was incredible. I nannied for her. I love her children, Jay and Claire. And
during the weekends, she got me a job at NBC Sports Weekend Update with a modern shot in Hannah
Storm. And that's kind of how I started my career. So it was pretty incredible. So it was just kind of,
I led wherever the connection was. And you know, sometimes it's like, I bet both of you,
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when you don't even have to put a resume out at this point. Like it's just the work that you've done.
People talk about you and you just get passed around. Like this is like one of the most amazing
people you need to work with this person, right? Yeah, it's interesting because now we're seeing
the uptrend, right? A lot of universities there. There are classes to be a film director. There's
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classes to be in specific agent. There's classes to be on air talent before it was just all very
generic. And so now you're seeing the sports world shift and really allow people to get that experience
because I'm a big believer in experience, whether it's good or bad, big or small, experience is
really what is going to get you the correct opportunities. None. Did I take the right class? Did I
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graduate with 5.6 GPA? Like what it is? Are you a people person? Some people are? Some people aren't.
And the world and especially in sports, all of them are needed. It's just trying to find how to get
there. You said you majored in education. Yeah. Which is fantastic. I mean, I majored in kinesiology.
Like what are we doing? But it wasn't available. And now that it is, and I say to all these young people
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all the time, you have so many more opportunities in front of you than I had. Yeah. Take them. Use them.
Try them. What would you say to like the young girls that are hearing your story here? Right?
I start majored in education. I opened the doors. I didn't look for the door to open. I just kept
walking through them as they open is what your story kind of really sounds like. Yeah. Well, I mean,
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it's also like you said, there's so many more opportunities. I mean, we're talking, you know, I
graduated 96 from college. I left Alabama 2000. I mean, I started at 26 years of age.
As an intern for NBC sports. I mean, do you know how old that is? Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. And so what when young women and men come to me and they say, Hey, I want to be in sports
business. What's going to make me stand out? I know this sounds crazy. But the first thing I say is,
are you dating someone? I say that because when you get into this business, you have to make a lot
of sacrifice. You're working weekends, you're working nights. Maybe you have three hours a day for
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yourself. And then you have to give to someone else. So I always say, you know, how important is your
relationship? Because that person is going to have to love you unconditionally. They're going to
have to support you. They're going to have to want you to win and be your greatest. And I've lost a
lot of partners through sports just because, you know, and then once someone says, I want you to
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follow your dream. I want you to love your passion. Then as a person doing that, you can then give back
more to that person. Like you want to give because it's like, you know, so you're like, you get it.
Yeah. Yeah. And then the other thing I say is, are you willing to be the first one in the doors
and the last one out? Because people want to see that you're loyal, that you're responsible,
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and that you care. And I mean, that was a good three years of my career was just always showing that
I'm going to show up on time. I'm going to do my job and I'm going to be here and I'm going to see it
through. That's really all it is really. And then about connections and I was talking about
manifestation. Like I manifest so much. It's the law of attraction. I go into everything that I do.
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And I say, I'm going to kill this. Like who wouldn't want me? Do you know what I mean? So
and I just, I just believe in that. And so and my mom and dad raised me that way. I mean, my mom
is my biggest fan. She watches everything. It's probably why we have thousands of like YouTube clicks
and Instagram clicks because all in Morgan is in there, you know, watch this. She'll put it on Facebook
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with her. She's a come watch live next time. I have to do an episode. She would have mom in here,
which would be like living her best life. Yeah. She would lie your mother of that. Come on. We're bringing
her in. She loves both of you. I mean, she would be in here. She's like, give me a recliner. Let's go.
That's amazing. Well, you're a journey. We were talking about this earlier. You worked with the
MLB NBC. You worked in many different fields and it comes with sports. Now you're working in MLB
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that's male dominated, even like the Olympics. I mean, it just has that male dominated, like
connotation with like sports in general. But now you've shifted to the WNBA and you're working with
the woman's organization. How have you seen the difference in leadership? Just pretty much in
anything. Is there a huge difference? Oh, there's such a huge difference. And I'm so glad you asked
that because back in the day when I was coming into a male dominated field, I felt like I always had
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to apologize. I don't know why. But I was always saying I was sorry for some reason. And then also,
I felt like I had to speak my voice if I had an idea. I had to say it four or five times before
it registered. And I also felt like at MLB, if I wasn't playing pickup basketball with the executive
director, then I wasn't going to leapfrog. I had so many young guys that came in that leapfrog me,
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even though I knew I was more talented. And now you come into this world where there are so many
women in power. And I kind of, it's like WNBA, I hear about all these women that played the alumni
and how they're pioneers. And they put the league on their backs. So now a Caitlin Clark and Angel
Reese can benefit from this. And it's kind of like the women of my age, what we did, we kind of broke
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the doors open and allowed women to have these opportunities. So, you know, and another great thing
that I want to point out that which I really love working for the Las Vegas Ases is that not only do
we have women in power, but we brought back our alumni. So Jennifer A.Z. is chief business of
development. Natalie Williams is our general manager. Natalie Williams was an Olympian,
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a basketball Olympian. She's Hall of Famer. She played with our Utah stars franchise.
Jennifer A.Z. and Olympian, one, you know, a championship at Stanford. She was with our Utah
on our San Antonio stars franchise. So it's really awesome just to see that. I mean, it's important
because who knows the W better than the alumni that built it? What I think that's the culture,
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shift generally in sports right now is everybody's getting younger. I think we've learned throughout
this show so much of art. Is it not a, like we're just not a tale about the W and the roles. Like,
they have to go to school for so many years. Yeah. In the NBA, it's, you can be 18 years old and go
in, but for women, there's still, it's still different. You know, for you at the Ases, one of the
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really cool things I love about your job that's just would be my dream. I love storytelling.
Because all of these people are people. Yeah. And who are they? And we've seen lately,
the shift that has gone on in being able to express yourself as you walk in to arenas. And we've
seen it on the male side of things. I mean, there's so much content of like, here's the hockey team.
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Here's the base. We'll see. Now we're seeing the W NBA fits. Get the justice they deserve.
And I think it's so special because they're not just an athlete. They're a person and they bring
their kids and it becomes this thing. Why do you think that shift is starting to take hold? I mean,
it's from a franchise. It's booming. But globally, people are paying attention to that. Yeah. I think
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it's just we have media now. We have television. We have an audience that loves these women and want
to pour their time into them. And, you know, this is not like all of a sudden we have tunnel fits.
I mean, this has been happening in the late 90s, early 2000s. We've had a lot of WNBA players who
have now become fashion stylists. And I think right now because there's such a big eye on this,
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you're also seeing women who care about other women and they're like, man, you should not only
play good. You should look good. So, you know, let's find you a stylist. And what's so great about
these tunnel fits is that you're seeing everybody's personality. And our team has the biggest
personalities. So many. So many. So we've got a couple stylists for the teams. But one, I'm going to go
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interview her after this. Amadi Brooks, she's a stylist for Asia Wilson, Sydney Colson and Jackie
Young. And what's so great about that, you're talking about three totally different personalities.
And she fits them so great. I mean, it's just it's it's amazing. And she also went on Asia Wilson's
book tour for Dear Black Girls. So, and Time Magazine and the White House, you know, so you get all
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these different flavors and colors. And it's just great. I love it. And I love the fact that it's
always women supporting other women. The fact that she's a woman stylist and she's going out and helping
these WNBA players look good, feel good. We love that. Yeah. When it comes to the WNBA, what have you
seen when you're you know, when you're when you're working with them and you're looking at Angel Reister,
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looking at Caitlin Clark, where have you seen the difference from where it is today compared to five,
10 years ago? And where do you see it heading in like the next 10 years? Yeah. Well, oh god, this is,
you know, Caitlin Clark, boy, the media has ran with her and I honestly, she's amazing. And what she has
done, I think my takeaway from Angel Rees and Caitlin Clark, but specifically Caitlin, is that she has
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brought a whole set of eyeballs like a whole set of new fans. We're having sell out crowds. I mean,
that's amazing. We call it the Caitlin Clark effect. You know, she's got pajamas now. I mean, it's crazy.
But the beautiful thing about Caitlin Clark and I don't want anybody to get this twisted because
the W, the ladies that play in the W are very grateful to Caitlin. I have not heard one person say
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on that Caitlin Clark, you know, the way that the media is portraying that. It is it is a clickbait type of
thing, but people are really glad that she's here. But the thing about Caitlin that I love so much
is that the features that I tell like, first of all, Kate Martin is the thing too. I mean, everybody
is all about Kate Martin because she's Iowa, you know, Caitlin's best friend, but I'll go on to YouTube
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and I'll read some of the comments. And they're like, I came here because of Caitlin, but now I'm a
Jackie young fan. And that is it. That is what Caitlin Clark is doing because everybody that Caitlin Clark
plays, they're also the fans will see the players on the other team. And they're like, oh, wow. Asia,
Asia Wilson. Oh, yeah, she's an MVP. You know what I mean? So it's so incredible that finally,
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we have somebody that's going to put, you know, new fans into the seats. I love it. It's a win-win.
It really is. We love seeing the, like, I saw a lot of articles on that women's basketball games
are being sold out more than NBA games. And I'm just like, let's go. I'm here for it. I love it.
Well, I mean, even in college, you know, women's college games were outperforming the men's college
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games. So I mean, the women are having a movement right now, whether it's in basketball, soccer,
tennis, whatever. And I'm so glad that I'm here at this time. Do you think Team USA missed
not having her on the Olympic team? You know, gosh, there's, there's
because I'm torn on it. I'll be honest with you. I get a lot of visibility. Yeah. But I also get it
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on stature. So it's, it's a, you're never going to get it right. But I do think that as you try
and continue to grow the visibility for basketball, it was probably messaged wrong. Yeah.
I would have probably chosen a different path. I had a message why she wasn't on it or a way we
could include her. Yeah. Or, or anyone else. But I, but I think not having anything turn people like,
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well, you, we don't, we're not going to watch them. Because the goal is to get viewership. The goal
is to get fans and engagement. And you're taking something off, you know, for whatever their choice was.
I don't know. So I'm torn. I want to get your take on like, well, if you think about it,
people are always going to watch the Olympics. Yeah. And we're probably going to win the gold.
I mean, I just, you know, it's, we've done it seven times, I believe. And, and you know, we have a great
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opportunity to do that again. And so I don't necessarily know if, if we need like, we're dying for
viewership. But if you take it from this perspective, Caitlin Clark is going to have a very long
career in the W. She's going to make many Olympic teams. Yeah. I believe, and this is just my opinion,
that USA basketball is built on loyalty and paying your dues. I agree with you. So I, I do believe
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that that is why they didn't take Caitlin. And I mean, Caitlin, yeah, she's doing incredible things.
I mean, she's breaking records. She's finding her rhythm. The team is starting to win and gel. And
that's wonderful. But I also think she needs a break. I think it would be nice for her to have a,
you know, time to spend with the team and just practice and, and stuff like that. But, um, yeah, I mean,
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I don't know. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a win. I mean, you don't, yeah, it's a good way.
I really can't speak upon this. Yeah. I didn't get both sides. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, people, you know, people are going to be like, okay, she's on the team. And then why isn't she
playing enough? Like the, the way social media can either be a positive impact or a negative impact
really is the finest line in the sand because it can go off one deep end or off another deep end.
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And I think the neutral deep end is we're going to do nothing. Yeah. And not, you know what I mean? And
not pick a side. Yeah. And it is what it is. I want to get, talk to you about the content you're
creating. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think it's so special. And you guys really at the ACEs are setting the
bar of, of content. Not only is that a testament to you and the vision and storytelling, it's also a
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testament to the women on that team that allow themselves to be vulnerable and trust you to tell that
story. Yeah. How are you driving that within the organization? Oh my gosh. Well, first of all, I just
have to give a big shout out to our creative and social team. Chris, he's our VP of social and he
has just knocked it out of the park. And he's been doing this since 2018. And I believe with myself
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coming in and I have a team, I have a creative producer and a media coordinator cinematographer. And he
also has a team. But that team evolved because the two of us working together. I think Iron Sharpen's
Iron and I think we bring the best out of each other. But creatively, I just feel like storytelling,
that is the key. That is the key to viewership. I think Caitlin Clark has brought in a lot of people.
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Now how do we keep them? How do we keep them? And that is storytelling. And I will tell you, Chris did
a really great job of showcasing Sydney Colson. She's a veteran. She is funny. She has her own show
with Teresa Plasons. It's called the Sid and T P show. All of that came about because Chris
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knew trends. He knew how to showcase her because Sydney's been doing this on every team she's been on
in the W. It's just now she has a platform and she has a viewership. And so then when you start
getting all these fans because we're winning and they love the personalities on our team,
we have to storytell because we want the fans to feel like they know these players that they connect
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with them. They root for them. I mean, that's what I learned from NBC. I mean, you know, you go into
the Olympics. You don't know any of the players. They do the vignettes and now you're a fan of somebody.
You have someone to root for. Yeah. So, and you know, last year it was about telling their origin
stories. This year it's going in deeper. It's behind the scenes of basketball and I did a really
great feature on Asia. It was her dear black girls feature. And it really just showcased, you know,
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how special she is and why she wrote the book and how important it was for a black woman to write a
book in a W NBA league that is 80% 90% black and brown faces. And for most of the girls to,
young black girls to see that, you know, you can be whatever you want to be. You know, like you said,
if you can see her, you can be her 100% and, and you know, I did before the season started, I did a
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one hour documentary called Aces versus Everybody. Yes. I mean, last year was incredible. The first
year we won it was really great. But the second year, the fact of all the drama that happened with
Becky Hammond's suspension to losing one of our players, you know, or a couple of our players to
injury, then game four going up against this amazing team New York Liberty. We lose two of our
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starters and we still pull it off. I mean, it was incredible. And we did that documentary. I mean,
we've had 200,000 viewers that had a YouTube premiere. People were on fire about it. And that's
just me two and a half months sitting at a desk editing. Yeah. But I mean, I love storytelling. I love
it too, because like the passion your eyes when you're talking about it and like it's such a rewarding
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thing that happens. Yeah. Excuse me. But for you, what do you think is the biggest challenge
of being in your role? Yeah. Because it's, I think there's only you, like you're the only one of the
WMBA, right? As a creative director. Yeah. So I'm the only full-time staff full-time staff storyteller.
And I have two great people that work with me, Tavy Young Carter and Amber Del Rio. We actually,
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Amber, Amber, we got from Chicago Sky, Tavy on. He was a grad student from UNLV. And they are just,
I mean, it's honestly what I love to have 10 people on staff, of course, but this is the WMBA. We do
not have the resources for it. But I think the biggest challenge for me when I came here,
the players are torn. They're taken in different directions. They're dealing with their
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agent. They're dealing with sponsorship. They're doing zoom interviews. They're, you know, all these
things. So it's really hard when I came in, nobody was doing this to sit them down and say,
I need 45 minutes of your time. They're like, they'll come in there like, okay, is this 10 minutes? I'm
like, no, I'm doing that. 15 minutes. Feature on you. I need 45 minutes. I mean, 10 minutes is going to
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get me through two questions. And I think the buy-in media does a really good job of like making them
not trust you because, oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I mean, we've got great media out there,
but then we've got media that really twists their words. So the trust factor was so hard. And after
year one, once they saw what I was doing and how I have a heart for them, and I'm going to protect
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them. And this is about empowering and elevating them. That's it. Once they saw that, they're like, oh,
you need me for an hour. I mean, as you'll sit down with us for an hour and a half just to do an
interview. And I mean, talk about that's a woman who does not have a lot of time. Yeah. So I think it was
just the trust and the buy-in that was, but another thing that's hard is just getting them all to sit
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down and have time for them. I mean, they're on the road. They're tired. You know, and then kind of
in my head, I learned this for Major League Baseball. I kind of know what I'm going to do for the entire
year. So I will bring in everybody and interview them on like 10 different topics. And then I don't
never have to sit them down again. And I think they appreciate that too because I'm not constantly
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pulling them in. So I think it's about educating them too about the process. That's one of the things that
you know, especially for me from the agent side is getting them to understand there's the game of
basketball and the business of basketball. Exactly. And they are not one in the same, but they both
require their co-dependent. Yeah. One cannot survive without the other. And getting them to
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understand, especially in heightened points in their career, that this is what it's going to take.
And what you're going to have to give. And it's really hard. Some athletes are like, I don't care.
I don't want to give. I don't want to talk. I don't want to nothing. And it's like, it's not what
you sign up for. And you talked earlier about the sacrifices. I mean, this job, we say all the time,
this job is like a whole relationship itself. It is a commitment. And you have to be willing to
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know. And if you're going to sign up for it, this is what it's going to take. How do you with your
vets? And I think, you know, we're going to have you back. But like, how do you get, I think it's
interesting because in the W, you can get drafted and you can get cut within the same month,
which is different than most male sports, which is you have guaranteed, non-guaranteed, things
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like that. How do you find the culture really embrace these rookies? And immediately, because you're
trying to pump content in two weeks, not in four months or five months, right? So you have to really
quick gain their trust, create the content, kick it out to then gather the fan to follow along for
the season. How do you manage and navigate that, not knowing who your content is going to be with?
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Until two weeks before. So do you lose your mind? I would just be like, oh my god, I don't know what to do.
So tough because we bring in, I mean, I don't know, like 16, 17 players and there's only room for 11 or
12 players. So it's kind of like Russian roulette. So what I do is I just interview all the players,
like the vets and the coaches about our rookies and whoever and I'll do, I'll act as if every one of
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them are staying. I'll reach out to their college. I'll get the WNBA draft. I'll get all that footage,
so we're ready to go. And there were a couple players that I had so much great footage on. I couldn't
wait to tell the story, but then they're let go. And it's heartbreaking and you wish them the best.
And I think that's why the expansion is so important. We have to have expansion of the league. So
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because we've got all these talented players. But Kate Martin, she stayed. She was one of the rookies
that made it. And we had such a fun time. And what's amazing is that everybody in a feature,
like people will say, where's Kate Martin? It's like, well, this is a feature about Kia Stokes rehab.
So I don't think Kate Martin is in this. They watch the Aces versus everybody documentary. And
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they're like, why didn't we say Kate Martin? Well, Kate was still playing at Iowa.
So I mean, the hands are crazy. But yeah, but so you just go ahead and you do the extra work.
And then whoever stays, you're like, this is great. And we're going to go with it.
And but yeah, I mean, we've had plenty of players that come in during the first part of the season.
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And they stay with us for three weeks. And then we let them go. And it's really sad because you're
talking about some of the most amazing, talented, wonderful people. I mean, we had a couple players that
came in and their culture builders, their wonderful players, but we had to let them go.
You know, because we want to win a championship. And we have to find the right players that
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gel and that are going to get us to that three-peat because I don't know if you've watched any of the
league or what's going on. It is hard as hell this hard in them streets. Oh my god. I mean, because
everybody has, I mean, I think the first year Becky Hammond was like, I knew we were going to win
because Becky brought in this new energy WNBA energy. It was fast. It was fun. And then the second
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year, it was harder because teams were being built to beat us. And then the third year, oh my,
this season, everybody's good. Everybody's coming for you. Everybody's good. So I think that's why all
the fans were like, what's happening with the Aces? Well, first of all, Chelsea Gray has been out.
And this is really exciting. Talk about Byann. I talked to Chelsea Gray after she was injured. And I said,
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I want to do a one-hour documentary on your rehab and coming back onto the court and trying to get
the three-peat. And she was like, let's do it. And so for six months, Tavion's been filming her. And
I'm about to get on a call with her to talk about getting on the same creative page and what we want to
do with this. But it's going to take me about a month and a half to edit. I'm going to shut out
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Jadley English, her agent, because that's all I love. I love Jad. She gets it. She educates her players
on what it's going to take. So there's no push and pull. There's no push back from the player or the
agent. She understands the business. And I think so many agents don't. And I think that's what helps
build a really fantastic core player. When they can respect the roles, every single person has to play.
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In order to make that franchise successful. And it's a testament to not only her love for the game,
but her love for her clients. And their success on and off the court. So I want to ask you a question
that you talked about, fits. And we're going to have to wrap this episode up. Yeah. Because you got
more important things to do than be here in our cool studio. Yeah. So I actually like it. I can stay here forever.
She wants to just get what you're all that. I know. Can I take this chair back to the
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I don't want to go in. She's going to be like, I just want to sit here and go in and relax.
What is your fit for success? Because you're our powerful woman. You're in a space where you
like to be behind the camera. We got you in front of the camera today. But when you need to walk
into somewhere and own a room, because I'm all about presence, energy, you can own something
with saying nothing. Yeah. What does that fit look like for you? Well, it's a blazer. I mean,
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I'm wearing it right now because I just feel like it goes with everything. You can dump it down.
You can fancy it up. And I just feel better with a blazer and then like a cute little top
underneath or something like that. But yeah, I mean, I'm not a very fashion forward person because
you said I'm behind the camera. So nobody ever sees me. But the blazer, I mean, yeah. You mean
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business? When it's on? Yeah. Yeah. When you get the hoodie on? Yeah. What happens?
Hey, nobody want to see me with a hoodie. Okay. No, no, I never do hoodies. I'm gonna leave that
with Becky Hamish. Becky can keep that. Okay, we have to ask Becky. What's the secret? We're gonna have
her on here. We're gonna say Katie wants to know what's this secret in this hoodie? We need to know.
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It's called Moodyda. Moody? Oh, it's a name. Yeah, it's a name for it. Is it the same one or like
in multiple colors? It's a joke. Moodyda is about being happy for other success. And so I told her
that. She told the team that and then the whole media ran with it. So you know, it's it's Moodyda.
Moodyda. Ag Moodyda. Love it. Maybe we'll have her on and we'll all wear exactly what she wears.
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That would totally mind trip her. That would be great. We're all doing okay. We're all looking like you.
Tell us about Moodyda. Why do we why do we feel so good right now? And this? Well, I'm so excited
because Good American, our partner is gonna have you come over to the store. They are all about,
they just launched a campaign with Angel Reese. They have a 36-inch in-scene, which is beautiful for
all these long-legged beauty girls, tall girls, but they're everything in between, but they have some
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fantastic blazers and some fantastic denim. So we're gonna send you over to the store and let you
get fit for success over there and we expect you to post and because you don't post post to picture
because I want to see this new fit for success. So about to be that powerful moment. We're gonna be
like we did that. That would be the only time. It will be you. All the credit goes to. No, please.
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We're just here. We're just here. I'm so happy you're on the show. You're fantastic. You are just
an amazing energy. You brought the tone out for me today. I love your passion for storytelling
because it is truly an underserved talent in this world. I would say YouTube was a place where
videos went to die, but now we have resurrected YouTube. Yes. So definitely go to Las Vegas
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Aces YouTube and all our stories are on there and you can support us and then of course we have
the great Instagram account and of course Twitter and all that stuff. I can't wait for her. I feel
like she's gonna have some new EPs. I think it would be really cool to have your vets E.P. or Rookie.
Oh yes. That would be kind of cool to teach that because so many people want to. Everybody thinks
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they're content creator. When you get your Rookie is let a vet E.P. it. And that way they can learn
about them too, but it's also like that mentor thing. But they also get to learn your business because
people need to know how hard it is to do your job. It's not easy. It's hard. I mean, I, we do a show called
In The Pain. I promise I'll wrap this up. We do a show called In The Pain. It's a 30 minute
kind of specialty show on Fox and Silver State. And I literally stayed up 24 hours to make sure
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that got to air. I mean 24 hours of editing. Yeah. So I mean it's crazy. People when they don't see
you, they're like, oh wait a show up at work. It's like, well, yeah. But you do know. It's your old
team. I was getting a meditine for just vlog yourself. And when next time someone says that,
do you just send them 24 hours of clips and be like, when you're bored? Just because you think I do
nothing. Enjoy that. Right. Okay. We want our fans to get to know a little bit about you. So Tina,
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and we're gonna send you home with some Tina's bod. Because so when you're editing for 24 hours,
I'll just put myself right out. You know, we just when it's done, that can be your, it's your goal.
I get done. And then I get Tina. We're gonna have you answer the Tina's question today. Okay. No
promises. What's in here? I hope I don't get that one question. I like them. Oh wait a minute.
You're gonna have to read it because I don't have my glasses. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well,
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then you're really trusting me that what I'm gonna ask you is that would be a good one here. That
would be a good one. Okay. This is a cheating one. Okay. So that one wasn't good enough. No,
it wasn't deep enough. Oh, okay. I wanted to be deeper. Okay. Do you prefer to cook at home
or to eat out? And why? Oh, cook at home. Because I'm 50. I mean, it's my health. Okay. Like,
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I want to live. I want to live till I'm like 80 or 85. I want to tell as many stories as possible.
I think, you know, cooking in is just, I just love doing it. And when you're sitting at a desk all day
editing and it's like, I have my dog here. The dog breaks it up. It allows me to go on dog walks.
And then cooking to me is like meditation. It's mindless. That's what I say. I follow the directions.
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Yes. And I do what I'm supposed to do. I don't have to think. Literally, you have to think,
but you don't. Yeah. You just do it. And then it's like, it came out and you feel like,
oh, I can do that. What are you cooking? I'm killing in the kitchen. I'm doing empanadas. I'm doing
salmon, Caesar salads. I'm doing, I just tomorrow night work for you. We'll bring the teen
as Vogue. Yes. Yeah. We'll make the drinks. That sounds like the good thing. And then you can bring all
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those questions. And then we can just lay where everyone at that could be a fun night. We can do a
total episode of just Q&A. It's like quick fire questions. Yeah. Well, but seriously, Megan, Kate,
thank you so much. I really appreciate you having me. Thanks for coming on the front of the camera
for us today. Yeah. Because you should be on it more. You look fabulous. You're glowing right now.
Thank you. I had amazing hair and makeup and I feel really good about it. So I never do that for
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myself. So thank you for bringing them on. You know what? It's funny. We say that all the time that
it's in sports as women, we forget sometimes. And I always say like self-care whatever that is,
that's your nails, your hair, your makeup, your whatever. Do it. Because if you look good,
you feel good, you play good, you pay good. Yeah. You know what I mean? I like that. I know.
No, I'm gonna stand on standards. Is that a Deon Sanders? That could be. Yeah, we're good. Yeah,
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we're it's like play hard. Like look good. Feel good. Yeah. Man, I said that. Yeah. Deon Sanders though.
Okay. That's why I'm gonna take it. Deon Sanders. Thank you, Deon Sanders for making my mantra today.
I like that. Now, but thank you so much for coming on. You're an amazing human. I can't wait to
have you back on. We're gonna come up into your studio. We can do one from the studio. Yes.
Done. Done. Done. Done. Sounds good. Thank you so much, Katie. Thanks. Appreciate it.
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Okay. I loved having Katie Morgan on the show today. She is literally probably the easiest
person to talk to. I know. It's funny because she's always behind the camera. So she was like,
I almost didn't do the show because I don't want to be in front of the camera. And I think we
did really good today. I'll give it to ourselves at her table. We made her feel comfortable. This
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setup is phenomenal. Really is. I mean, pink walls. Like who can write that story? No. That's her
shout out our producer, Scotty today. Like she's killing the game. Scotty's the best. She and she was
so comfortable here. And that's so cool that, you know, from being behind the camera to being
on camera, how great of a job she did. And it was really, really fascinating hearing her story,
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how she started at 26 as an internet NBC. Because even when you're at that age, you're like, I don't
want to be in intern. Like, I'm already past that in the fact that she's like, Oh, I'll go be an
internet 26 and go and look at her now. I mean, it's absolutely amazing. She's the only full-time
employee in the WNBA that is just a creative director. But it's funny because the aces to me are really
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driving the industry as far as content and access and storytelling. And just listening to her talk
about how much time and energy she puts into preparation for that storytelling was amazing. And by the
way, I was blinded by her ring. Well, this is no joke. The thing weighs like two pounds. It has to
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be insured. It's enormous. That was huge. So I was intimidated holding it. I think God, you didn't
hurt it with a mic. God. I love it. It was like, was there a diamond that fell? There were so many
diamonds on the ring. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. I know, but it's so cool,
too. It speaks to the ownership, right? Of that team that they want to make sure everybody feels
a part of that winning culture. And why I think they're becoming so successful. And it was interesting
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for her to say, Becky Hamman made this team, right? And they won it because Becky built a team. The second
year, people were building teams to beat them. And now the teams are built to compete against them.
Right. And it's not that easy. And so it's interesting how small little moments in time and methodical
chess games actually make a difference two, three years now. And it's a testament to like understanding.
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You're going to get where you need to go. You're going to be where you're supposed to be. Yeah.
Just trust the process. Yeah. But that's her in storytelling. Yeah. To trust the process. You do
all these interviews. You don't know why. And then you see this beautiful feature come out. I can't wait
to watch the Chelsea Gray feature of her return to play, which is going to be so phenomenal.
Even the fashion one that she's doing today with Aja Wilson and her fashion stylist. Yeah.
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It's just a true testament to why this show is so important. Yeah. Because there's so many women
in sports that touch sports in different ways that we don't even recognize. So I love that she
gets it to you. But she's also just she's going to champion for everybody. I think we got her out
of behind the camera to the front of the camera. We have a magic touch. I think we can just get anybody
to talk. Yeah. I think so too. She was great. I love to be great detectives. We would. Oh, here we go.
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On the truth. But we would though we can get anybody to talk about anything. Yeah. It's kind of fun.
Hey, I'm I would bet on us. Let's go. Next time we're going to solve a crime on this podcast. So stay
tuned and see if we can make the flip from women in sports to true crime pod. Thank you guys so
much for joining. We hope you enjoyed the show today. We are so grateful to our sponsors. Tina's
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Hi, my name's Katie Morgan. I'm with the Las Vegas Asus. I'm the creative director of
storytelling and this is her table. Now you see her.
You are magnificent!
Welcome to her table, the podcast that shines a spotlight on the badass women who are redefining
the game. Join host Kate Foley and Megan Martinez as Payon Locke, the secrets of success
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in the brightest female pioneers in the industry. What's up everyone? Welcome back to her table.
We are so excited to be in our third set in Las Vegas. We're at Summer League and now we're here
and it is absolutely amazing. We are so excited to welcome in our guest today, Katie Morgan.
She is the creative director for the Las Vegas Asus. I can't wait to see. I wonder if she brought
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her ring. They are two-time WNBA champions. She is responsible for the Asus versus
Everybody campaign, which is spot on because they are killing the game not only on the court,
but off the court. Katie Morgan has worked with the Seattle storm. She's worked in MLB.
She actually interned starting at 26 I heard. I want to know where she started and how she got
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where she is. Let's welcome Katie Morgan to her table.
Katie, I'm so excited we have you here today. Welcome to our third edition of a set
for her table. This is a new one. We've been at Las Vegas Summer League for the last two days
and now we're here in our new studios that up in Las Vegas. Welcome. First of all, I am so honored
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to be here. You have no idea what you're doing is just incredible. I'm really honored to be here.
I need them to turn the lights down. I need them to do something because this rock on your hand
is blinding all of us. Please tell us what this is. I need one and can I get one?
Okay, look, I know you want to touch it. Okay, so I want to listen. This is the back-to-back championship
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world championship ring for the Las Vegas Aces. Oh my god. Mark Davis is the best owner and not
only did he buy the players and the coaching staff this ring, he also bought the entire staff this
ring. You have to ensure that. Oh, yeah. I want to stay farm and I'm pretty. Is it security guard outside
for you or for this? I need to know. Let's just say my first one is in a lock box and this one,
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I thought I'd bring it to the show just so you could see how amazing this is powerful. It's heavy,
it's powerful. I feel like you could totally knock four or five teeth out with this if you needed to.
So this is so beautiful. Yeah, it's really nice touch and you can see the two
championship, the trophies are on the front of it. Do you wear this to like date night? Heck no.
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Okay, I'm just wondering because that would be super intimidating. I don't even want to wear it in
the street because yeah, I'm afraid I get wet. Oh, no, I can't wear that in the street. And if you
lost it, you would be just devastated. Oh, this is wild. It like fits me perfectly. I don't know.
I already have one so you can have that one. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's like, yeah, listen here,
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Megan, give it back. How incredible. I know. How inspiring too for like young woman to see that like
you too can sorry. Yeah, you know, bangs it again. I know I could go. I'm like, yeah,
I'm like, it's a church. It's a church. It's a church. It's a church. Okay.
I just see it. It's incredible though. But yeah, that's amazing. And that's a good start too. Yeah.
Well, while you're here today, well, and what's crazy, I've been in sports my entire life. Thank you.
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How long have you been working on that? Yeah. Well, you know, I started playing softball as a very
young girl, but then after I graduated from college, I've been in sports my entire life. I mean,
I've been surrounded about it around with it. And my father was a Hall of Fame baseball coach,
my brother played collegiate golf and my mom taught physical education. So it was kind of in the
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stars for me. But yeah, I mean, I've been on so many teams and I've never won a ring. And then I come
to Vegas and I've won two back-to-back rings. That's called destiny. That's divine intervention from
yeah, whatever god you believe it. Yeah, absolutely. I love it. It's we we had a guest yesterday on that
was talking about angel numbers because she got a tattoo. It was like two to two. And I was like,
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okay, what is this? And she goes, it just means you're exactly where you're supposed to be in this
exact moment of time. And you have to trust that. Yeah. How incredible is that for you to have been
through so much in your career? Yeah. To then be where you are. Did you ever have moments where you
were like, what am I doing? And why? Yeah, I don't know. Like my angel numbers are three three three.
Who are those people? Well, I'm not really sure. I just know that it's really freaking awesome. Did you
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I did you pick them or those like actual? No, so what's crazy is people will tell you they'll see it
on clocks or they'll see it on license plates or they'll see it on a billboard. And ones are really
spiritual. Threes are really spiritual. I think honestly, threes are about creativity and being in
your bag. And but yeah, I mean, it's crazy. I think a lot of people will tell you some of the elite
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athletes and the greats at what they do probably always dreamt about it. But for me, I just was kind of like,
oh, that's fun. I think I'll do that. Or I just kind of go where someone tells me like I was telling
Megan earlier how I got into sports is so incredibly cool. So I played at KU as softball players,
a short stop. Graduated from there went to University of Alabama. Was kind of a grad assistant coach
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manager for Pat Murphy. And I think I coached there for three years. We ended up going to the college
world series. And I just told Pat, I'm like, Pat, I'm done. I don't I don't want to work with kids.
I want to go. I want to get into film. I want to be a director. I'm going to go to LA. Now,
meanwhile, I grew up. My mom was the first woman in Oklahoma to buy a camcorder and make a business
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out of it. So I was editing in junior high in high school. I would take the Barbara Walter specials.
And I would edit Barbara out. And I would edit myself asking the questions to like a Julia Roberts
or Mel Gibson. I need to see these clips. Yeah, please.
I'm doing that because that's amazing. They were amazing. So when I went to KU, I wanted to be in
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sports broadcasting. They didn't have that. They had theater. So I chose education. So fast forward,
Pat Murphy was like, listen, Katie, you're never going to make it in LA. You've never taken a class
as a director. Why don't you, we'll call this friend of mine, Amy Leoni. I love her to death.
She was working for Dick Evertsaw and NBC. She was high exec. She's now with Fox Sports. She's the VP
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of talent. And she was incredible. I nannied for her. I love her children, Jay and Claire. And
during the weekends, she got me a job at NBC Sports Weekend Update with a modern shot in Hannah
Storm. And that's kind of how I started my career. So it was pretty incredible. So it was just kind of,
I led wherever the connection was. And you know, sometimes it's like, I bet both of you,
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when you don't even have to put a resume out at this point. Like it's just the work that you've done.
People talk about you and you just get passed around. Like this is like one of the most amazing
people you need to work with this person, right? Yeah, it's interesting because now we're seeing
the uptrend, right? A lot of universities there. There are classes to be a film director. There's
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classes to be in specific agent. There's classes to be on air talent before it was just all very
generic. And so now you're seeing the sports world shift and really allow people to get that experience
because I'm a big believer in experience, whether it's good or bad, big or small, experience is
really what is going to get you the correct opportunities. None. Did I take the right class? Did I
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graduate with 5.6 GPA? Like what it is? Are you a people person? Some people are? Some people aren't.
And the world and especially in sports, all of them are needed. It's just trying to find how to get
there. You said you majored in education. Yeah. Which is fantastic. I mean, I majored in kinesiology.
Like what are we doing? But it wasn't available. And now that it is, and I say to all these young people
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all the time, you have so many more opportunities in front of you than I had. Yeah. Take them. Use them.
Try them. What would you say to like the young girls that are hearing your story here? Right?
I start majored in education. I opened the doors. I didn't look for the door to open. I just kept
walking through them as they open is what your story kind of really sounds like. Yeah. Well, I mean,
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it's also like you said, there's so many more opportunities. I mean, we're talking, you know, I
graduated 96 from college. I left Alabama 2000. I mean, I started at 26 years of age.
As an intern for NBC sports. I mean, do you know how old that is? Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. And so what when young women and men come to me and they say, Hey, I want to be in sports
business. What's going to make me stand out? I know this sounds crazy. But the first thing I say is,
are you dating someone? I say that because when you get into this business, you have to make a lot
of sacrifice. You're working weekends, you're working nights. Maybe you have three hours a day for
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yourself. And then you have to give to someone else. So I always say, you know, how important is your
relationship? Because that person is going to have to love you unconditionally. They're going to
have to support you. They're going to have to want you to win and be your greatest. And I've lost a
lot of partners through sports just because, you know, and then once someone says, I want you to
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follow your dream. I want you to love your passion. Then as a person doing that, you can then give back
more to that person. Like you want to give because it's like, you know, so you're like, you get it.
Yeah. Yeah. And then the other thing I say is, are you willing to be the first one in the doors
and the last one out? Because people want to see that you're loyal, that you're responsible,
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and that you care. And I mean, that was a good three years of my career was just always showing that
I'm going to show up on time. I'm going to do my job and I'm going to be here and I'm going to see it
through. That's really all it is really. And then about connections and I was talking about
manifestation. Like I manifest so much. It's the law of attraction. I go into everything that I do.
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And I say, I'm going to kill this. Like who wouldn't want me? Do you know what I mean? So
and I just, I just believe in that. And so and my mom and dad raised me that way. I mean, my mom
is my biggest fan. She watches everything. It's probably why we have thousands of like YouTube clicks
and Instagram clicks because all in Morgan is in there, you know, watch this. She'll put it on Facebook
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with her. She's a come watch live next time. I have to do an episode. She would have mom in here,
which would be like living her best life. Yeah. She would lie your mother of that. Come on. We're bringing
her in. She loves both of you. I mean, she would be in here. She's like, give me a recliner. Let's go.
That's amazing. Well, you're a journey. We were talking about this earlier. You worked with the
MLB NBC. You worked in many different fields and it comes with sports. Now you're working in MLB
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that's male dominated, even like the Olympics. I mean, it just has that male dominated, like
connotation with like sports in general. But now you've shifted to the WNBA and you're working with
the woman's organization. How have you seen the difference in leadership? Just pretty much in
anything. Is there a huge difference? Oh, there's such a huge difference. And I'm so glad you asked
that because back in the day when I was coming into a male dominated field, I felt like I always had
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to apologize. I don't know why. But I was always saying I was sorry for some reason. And then also,
I felt like I had to speak my voice if I had an idea. I had to say it four or five times before
it registered. And I also felt like at MLB, if I wasn't playing pickup basketball with the executive
director, then I wasn't going to leapfrog. I had so many young guys that came in that leapfrog me,
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even though I knew I was more talented. And now you come into this world where there are so many
women in power. And I kind of, it's like WNBA, I hear about all these women that played the alumni
and how they're pioneers. And they put the league on their backs. So now a Caitlin Clark and Angel
Reese can benefit from this. And it's kind of like the women of my age, what we did, we kind of broke
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the doors open and allowed women to have these opportunities. So, you know, and another great thing
that I want to point out that which I really love working for the Las Vegas Ases is that not only do
we have women in power, but we brought back our alumni. So Jennifer A.Z. is chief business of
development. Natalie Williams is our general manager. Natalie Williams was an Olympian,
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a basketball Olympian. She's Hall of Famer. She played with our Utah stars franchise.
Jennifer A.Z. and Olympian, one, you know, a championship at Stanford. She was with our Utah
on our San Antonio stars franchise. So it's really awesome just to see that. I mean, it's important
because who knows the W better than the alumni that built it? What I think that's the culture,
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shift generally in sports right now is everybody's getting younger. I think we've learned throughout
this show so much of art. Is it not a, like we're just not a tale about the W and the roles. Like,
they have to go to school for so many years. Yeah. In the NBA, it's, you can be 18 years old and go
in, but for women, there's still, it's still different. You know, for you at the Ases, one of the
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really cool things I love about your job that's just would be my dream. I love storytelling.
Because all of these people are people. Yeah. And who are they? And we've seen lately,
the shift that has gone on in being able to express yourself as you walk in to arenas. And we've
seen it on the male side of things. I mean, there's so much content of like, here's the hockey team.
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Here's the base. We'll see. Now we're seeing the W NBA fits. Get the justice they deserve.
And I think it's so special because they're not just an athlete. They're a person and they bring
their kids and it becomes this thing. Why do you think that shift is starting to take hold? I mean,
it's from a franchise. It's booming. But globally, people are paying attention to that. Yeah. I think
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it's just we have media now. We have television. We have an audience that loves these women and want
to pour their time into them. And, you know, this is not like all of a sudden we have tunnel fits.
I mean, this has been happening in the late 90s, early 2000s. We've had a lot of WNBA players who
have now become fashion stylists. And I think right now because there's such a big eye on this,
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you're also seeing women who care about other women and they're like, man, you should not only
play good. You should look good. So, you know, let's find you a stylist. And what's so great about
these tunnel fits is that you're seeing everybody's personality. And our team has the biggest
personalities. So many. So many. So we've got a couple stylists for the teams. But one, I'm going to go
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interview her after this. Amadi Brooks, she's a stylist for Asia Wilson, Sydney Colson and Jackie
Young. And what's so great about that, you're talking about three totally different personalities.
And she fits them so great. I mean, it's just it's it's amazing. And she also went on Asia Wilson's
book tour for Dear Black Girls. So, and Time Magazine and the White House, you know, so you get all
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these different flavors and colors. And it's just great. I love it. And I love the fact that it's
always women supporting other women. The fact that she's a woman stylist and she's going out and helping
these WNBA players look good, feel good. We love that. Yeah. When it comes to the WNBA, what have you
seen when you're you know, when you're when you're working with them and you're looking at Angel Reister,
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looking at Caitlin Clark, where have you seen the difference from where it is today compared to five,
10 years ago? And where do you see it heading in like the next 10 years? Yeah. Well, oh god, this is,
you know, Caitlin Clark, boy, the media has ran with her and I honestly, she's amazing. And what she has
done, I think my takeaway from Angel Rees and Caitlin Clark, but specifically Caitlin, is that she has
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brought a whole set of eyeballs like a whole set of new fans. We're having sell out crowds. I mean,
that's amazing. We call it the Caitlin Clark effect. You know, she's got pajamas now. I mean, it's crazy.
But the beautiful thing about Caitlin Clark and I don't want anybody to get this twisted because
the W, the ladies that play in the W are very grateful to Caitlin. I have not heard one person say
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on that Caitlin Clark, you know, the way that the media is portraying that. It is it is a clickbait type of
thing, but people are really glad that she's here. But the thing about Caitlin that I love so much
is that the features that I tell like, first of all, Kate Martin is the thing too. I mean, everybody
is all about Kate Martin because she's Iowa, you know, Caitlin's best friend, but I'll go on to YouTube
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and I'll read some of the comments. And they're like, I came here because of Caitlin, but now I'm a
Jackie young fan. And that is it. That is what Caitlin Clark is doing because everybody that Caitlin Clark
plays, they're also the fans will see the players on the other team. And they're like, oh, wow. Asia,
Asia Wilson. Oh, yeah, she's an MVP. You know what I mean? So it's so incredible that finally,
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we have somebody that's going to put, you know, new fans into the seats. I love it. It's a win-win.
It really is. We love seeing the, like, I saw a lot of articles on that women's basketball games
are being sold out more than NBA games. And I'm just like, let's go. I'm here for it. I love it.
Well, I mean, even in college, you know, women's college games were outperforming the men's college
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games. So I mean, the women are having a movement right now, whether it's in basketball, soccer,
tennis, whatever. And I'm so glad that I'm here at this time. Do you think Team USA missed
not having her on the Olympic team? You know, gosh, there's, there's
because I'm torn on it. I'll be honest with you. I get a lot of visibility. Yeah. But I also get it
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on stature. So it's, it's a, you're never going to get it right. But I do think that as you try
and continue to grow the visibility for basketball, it was probably messaged wrong. Yeah.
I would have probably chosen a different path. I had a message why she wasn't on it or a way we
could include her. Yeah. Or, or anyone else. But I, but I think not having anything turn people like,
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well, you, we don't, we're not going to watch them. Because the goal is to get viewership. The goal
is to get fans and engagement. And you're taking something off, you know, for whatever their choice was.
I don't know. So I'm torn. I want to get your take on like, well, if you think about it,
people are always going to watch the Olympics. Yeah. And we're probably going to win the gold.
I mean, I just, you know, it's, we've done it seven times, I believe. And, and you know, we have a great
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opportunity to do that again. And so I don't necessarily know if, if we need like, we're dying for
viewership. But if you take it from this perspective, Caitlin Clark is going to have a very long
career in the W. She's going to make many Olympic teams. Yeah. I believe, and this is just my opinion,
that USA basketball is built on loyalty and paying your dues. I agree with you. So I, I do believe
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that that is why they didn't take Caitlin. And I mean, Caitlin, yeah, she's doing incredible things.
I mean, she's breaking records. She's finding her rhythm. The team is starting to win and gel. And
that's wonderful. But I also think she needs a break. I think it would be nice for her to have a,
you know, time to spend with the team and just practice and, and stuff like that. But, um, yeah, I mean,
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I don't know. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a win. I mean, you don't, yeah, it's a good way.
I really can't speak upon this. Yeah. I didn't get both sides. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, people, you know, people are going to be like, okay, she's on the team. And then why isn't she
playing enough? Like the, the way social media can either be a positive impact or a negative impact
really is the finest line in the sand because it can go off one deep end or off another deep end.
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And I think the neutral deep end is we're going to do nothing. Yeah. And not, you know what I mean? And
not pick a side. Yeah. And it is what it is. I want to get, talk to you about the content you're
creating. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think it's so special. And you guys really at the ACEs are setting the
bar of, of content. Not only is that a testament to you and the vision and storytelling, it's also a
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testament to the women on that team that allow themselves to be vulnerable and trust you to tell that
story. Yeah. How are you driving that within the organization? Oh my gosh. Well, first of all, I just
have to give a big shout out to our creative and social team. Chris, he's our VP of social and he
has just knocked it out of the park. And he's been doing this since 2018. And I believe with myself
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coming in and I have a team, I have a creative producer and a media coordinator cinematographer. And he
also has a team. But that team evolved because the two of us working together. I think Iron Sharpen's
Iron and I think we bring the best out of each other. But creatively, I just feel like storytelling,
that is the key. That is the key to viewership. I think Caitlin Clark has brought in a lot of people.
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Now how do we keep them? How do we keep them? And that is storytelling. And I will tell you, Chris did
a really great job of showcasing Sydney Colson. She's a veteran. She is funny. She has her own show
with Teresa Plasons. It's called the Sid and T P show. All of that came about because Chris
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knew trends. He knew how to showcase her because Sydney's been doing this on every team she's been on
in the W. It's just now she has a platform and she has a viewership. And so then when you start
getting all these fans because we're winning and they love the personalities on our team,
we have to storytell because we want the fans to feel like they know these players that they connect
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with them. They root for them. I mean, that's what I learned from NBC. I mean, you know, you go into
the Olympics. You don't know any of the players. They do the vignettes and now you're a fan of somebody.
You have someone to root for. Yeah. So, and you know, last year it was about telling their origin
stories. This year it's going in deeper. It's behind the scenes of basketball and I did a really
great feature on Asia. It was her dear black girls feature. And it really just showcased, you know,
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how special she is and why she wrote the book and how important it was for a black woman to write a
book in a W NBA league that is 80% 90% black and brown faces. And for most of the girls to,
young black girls to see that, you know, you can be whatever you want to be. You know, like you said,
if you can see her, you can be her 100% and, and you know, I did before the season started, I did a
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one hour documentary called Aces versus Everybody. Yes. I mean, last year was incredible. The first
year we won it was really great. But the second year, the fact of all the drama that happened with
Becky Hammond's suspension to losing one of our players, you know, or a couple of our players to
injury, then game four going up against this amazing team New York Liberty. We lose two of our
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starters and we still pull it off. I mean, it was incredible. And we did that documentary. I mean,
we've had 200,000 viewers that had a YouTube premiere. People were on fire about it. And that's
just me two and a half months sitting at a desk editing. Yeah. But I mean, I love storytelling. I love
it too, because like the passion your eyes when you're talking about it and like it's such a rewarding
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thing that happens. Yeah. Excuse me. But for you, what do you think is the biggest challenge
of being in your role? Yeah. Because it's, I think there's only you, like you're the only one of the
WMBA, right? As a creative director. Yeah. So I'm the only full-time staff full-time staff storyteller.
And I have two great people that work with me, Tavy Young Carter and Amber Del Rio. We actually,
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Amber, Amber, we got from Chicago Sky, Tavy on. He was a grad student from UNLV. And they are just,
I mean, it's honestly what I love to have 10 people on staff, of course, but this is the WMBA. We do
not have the resources for it. But I think the biggest challenge for me when I came here,
the players are torn. They're taken in different directions. They're dealing with their
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agent. They're dealing with sponsorship. They're doing zoom interviews. They're, you know, all these
things. So it's really hard when I came in, nobody was doing this to sit them down and say,
I need 45 minutes of your time. They're like, they'll come in there like, okay, is this 10 minutes? I'm
like, no, I'm doing that. 15 minutes. Feature on you. I need 45 minutes. I mean, 10 minutes is going to
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get me through two questions. And I think the buy-in media does a really good job of like making them
not trust you because, oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I mean, we've got great media out there,
but then we've got media that really twists their words. So the trust factor was so hard. And after
year one, once they saw what I was doing and how I have a heart for them, and I'm going to protect
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them. And this is about empowering and elevating them. That's it. Once they saw that, they're like, oh,
you need me for an hour. I mean, as you'll sit down with us for an hour and a half just to do an
interview. And I mean, talk about that's a woman who does not have a lot of time. Yeah. So I think it was
just the trust and the buy-in that was, but another thing that's hard is just getting them all to sit
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down and have time for them. I mean, they're on the road. They're tired. You know, and then kind of
in my head, I learned this for Major League Baseball. I kind of know what I'm going to do for the entire
year. So I will bring in everybody and interview them on like 10 different topics. And then I don't
never have to sit them down again. And I think they appreciate that too because I'm not constantly
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pulling them in. So I think it's about educating them too about the process. That's one of the things that
you know, especially for me from the agent side is getting them to understand there's the game of
basketball and the business of basketball. Exactly. And they are not one in the same, but they both
require their co-dependent. Yeah. One cannot survive without the other. And getting them to
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understand, especially in heightened points in their career, that this is what it's going to take.
And what you're going to have to give. And it's really hard. Some athletes are like, I don't care.
I don't want to give. I don't want to talk. I don't want to nothing. And it's like, it's not what
you sign up for. And you talked earlier about the sacrifices. I mean, this job, we say all the time,
this job is like a whole relationship itself. It is a commitment. And you have to be willing to
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know. And if you're going to sign up for it, this is what it's going to take. How do you with your
vets? And I think, you know, we're going to have you back. But like, how do you get, I think it's
interesting because in the W, you can get drafted and you can get cut within the same month,
which is different than most male sports, which is you have guaranteed, non-guaranteed, things
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like that. How do you find the culture really embrace these rookies? And immediately, because you're
trying to pump content in two weeks, not in four months or five months, right? So you have to really
quick gain their trust, create the content, kick it out to then gather the fan to follow along for
the season. How do you manage and navigate that, not knowing who your content is going to be with?
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Until two weeks before. So do you lose your mind? I would just be like, oh my god, I don't know what to do.
So tough because we bring in, I mean, I don't know, like 16, 17 players and there's only room for 11 or
12 players. So it's kind of like Russian roulette. So what I do is I just interview all the players,
like the vets and the coaches about our rookies and whoever and I'll do, I'll act as if every one of
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them are staying. I'll reach out to their college. I'll get the WNBA draft. I'll get all that footage,
so we're ready to go. And there were a couple players that I had so much great footage on. I couldn't
wait to tell the story, but then they're let go. And it's heartbreaking and you wish them the best.
And I think that's why the expansion is so important. We have to have expansion of the league. So
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because we've got all these talented players. But Kate Martin, she stayed. She was one of the rookies
that made it. And we had such a fun time. And what's amazing is that everybody in a feature,
like people will say, where's Kate Martin? It's like, well, this is a feature about Kia Stokes rehab.
So I don't think Kate Martin is in this. They watch the Aces versus everybody documentary. And
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they're like, why didn't we say Kate Martin? Well, Kate was still playing at Iowa.
So I mean, the hands are crazy. But yeah, but so you just go ahead and you do the extra work.
And then whoever stays, you're like, this is great. And we're going to go with it.
And but yeah, I mean, we've had plenty of players that come in during the first part of the season.
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And they stay with us for three weeks. And then we let them go. And it's really sad because you're
talking about some of the most amazing, talented, wonderful people. I mean, we had a couple players that
came in and their culture builders, their wonderful players, but we had to let them go.
You know, because we want to win a championship. And we have to find the right players that
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gel and that are going to get us to that three-peat because I don't know if you've watched any of the
league or what's going on. It is hard as hell this hard in them streets. Oh my god. I mean, because
everybody has, I mean, I think the first year Becky Hammond was like, I knew we were going to win
because Becky brought in this new energy WNBA energy. It was fast. It was fun. And then the second
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year, it was harder because teams were being built to beat us. And then the third year, oh my,
this season, everybody's good. Everybody's coming for you. Everybody's good. So I think that's why all
the fans were like, what's happening with the Aces? Well, first of all, Chelsea Gray has been out.
And this is really exciting. Talk about Byann. I talked to Chelsea Gray after she was injured. And I said,
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I want to do a one-hour documentary on your rehab and coming back onto the court and trying to get
the three-peat. And she was like, let's do it. And so for six months, Tavion's been filming her. And
I'm about to get on a call with her to talk about getting on the same creative page and what we want to
do with this. But it's going to take me about a month and a half to edit. I'm going to shut out
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Jadley English, her agent, because that's all I love. I love Jad. She gets it. She educates her players
on what it's going to take. So there's no push and pull. There's no push back from the player or the
agent. She understands the business. And I think so many agents don't. And I think that's what helps
build a really fantastic core player. When they can respect the roles, every single person has to play.
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In order to make that franchise successful. And it's a testament to not only her love for the game,
but her love for her clients. And their success on and off the court. So I want to ask you a question
that you talked about, fits. And we're going to have to wrap this episode up. Yeah. Because you got
more important things to do than be here in our cool studio. Yeah. So I actually like it. I can stay here forever.
She wants to just get what you're all that. I know. Can I take this chair back to the
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I don't want to go in. She's going to be like, I just want to sit here and go in and relax.
What is your fit for success? Because you're our powerful woman. You're in a space where you
like to be behind the camera. We got you in front of the camera today. But when you need to walk
into somewhere and own a room, because I'm all about presence, energy, you can own something
with saying nothing. Yeah. What does that fit look like for you? Well, it's a blazer. I mean,
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I'm wearing it right now because I just feel like it goes with everything. You can dump it down.
You can fancy it up. And I just feel better with a blazer and then like a cute little top
underneath or something like that. But yeah, I mean, I'm not a very fashion forward person because
you said I'm behind the camera. So nobody ever sees me. But the blazer, I mean, yeah. You mean
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business? When it's on? Yeah. Yeah. When you get the hoodie on? Yeah. What happens?
Hey, nobody want to see me with a hoodie. Okay. No, no, I never do hoodies. I'm gonna leave that
with Becky Hamish. Becky can keep that. Okay, we have to ask Becky. What's the secret? We're gonna have
her on here. We're gonna say Katie wants to know what's this secret in this hoodie? We need to know.
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It's called Moodyda. Moody? Oh, it's a name. Yeah, it's a name for it. Is it the same one or like
in multiple colors? It's a joke. Moodyda is about being happy for other success. And so I told her
that. She told the team that and then the whole media ran with it. So you know, it's it's Moodyda.
Moodyda. Ag Moodyda. Love it. Maybe we'll have her on and we'll all wear exactly what she wears.
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That would totally mind trip her. That would be great. We're all doing okay. We're all looking like you.
Tell us about Moodyda. Why do we why do we feel so good right now? And this? Well, I'm so excited
because Good American, our partner is gonna have you come over to the store. They are all about,
they just launched a campaign with Angel Reese. They have a 36-inch in-scene, which is beautiful for
all these long-legged beauty girls, tall girls, but they're everything in between, but they have some
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fantastic blazers and some fantastic denim. So we're gonna send you over to the store and let you
get fit for success over there and we expect you to post and because you don't post post to picture
because I want to see this new fit for success. So about to be that powerful moment. We're gonna be
like we did that. That would be the only time. It will be you. All the credit goes to. No, please.
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We're just here. We're just here. I'm so happy you're on the show. You're fantastic. You are just
an amazing energy. You brought the tone out for me today. I love your passion for storytelling
because it is truly an underserved talent in this world. I would say YouTube was a place where
videos went to die, but now we have resurrected YouTube. Yes. So definitely go to Las Vegas
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Aces YouTube and all our stories are on there and you can support us and then of course we have
the great Instagram account and of course Twitter and all that stuff. I can't wait for her. I feel
like she's gonna have some new EPs. I think it would be really cool to have your vets E.P. or Rookie.
Oh yes. That would be kind of cool to teach that because so many people want to. Everybody thinks
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they're content creator. When you get your Rookie is let a vet E.P. it. And that way they can learn
about them too, but it's also like that mentor thing. But they also get to learn your business because
people need to know how hard it is to do your job. It's not easy. It's hard. I mean, I, we do a show called
In The Pain. I promise I'll wrap this up. We do a show called In The Pain. It's a 30 minute
kind of specialty show on Fox and Silver State. And I literally stayed up 24 hours to make sure
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that got to air. I mean 24 hours of editing. Yeah. So I mean it's crazy. People when they don't see
you, they're like, oh wait a show up at work. It's like, well, yeah. But you do know. It's your old
team. I was getting a meditine for just vlog yourself. And when next time someone says that,
do you just send them 24 hours of clips and be like, when you're bored? Just because you think I do
nothing. Enjoy that. Right. Okay. We want our fans to get to know a little bit about you. So Tina,
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and we're gonna send you home with some Tina's bod. Because so when you're editing for 24 hours,
I'll just put myself right out. You know, we just when it's done, that can be your, it's your goal.
I get done. And then I get Tina. We're gonna have you answer the Tina's question today. Okay. No
promises. What's in here? I hope I don't get that one question. I like them. Oh wait a minute.
You're gonna have to read it because I don't have my glasses. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well,
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then you're really trusting me that what I'm gonna ask you is that would be a good one here. That
would be a good one. Okay. This is a cheating one. Okay. So that one wasn't good enough. No,
it wasn't deep enough. Oh, okay. I wanted to be deeper. Okay. Do you prefer to cook at home
or to eat out? And why? Oh, cook at home. Because I'm 50. I mean, it's my health. Okay. Like,
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I want to live. I want to live till I'm like 80 or 85. I want to tell as many stories as possible.
I think, you know, cooking in is just, I just love doing it. And when you're sitting at a desk all day
editing and it's like, I have my dog here. The dog breaks it up. It allows me to go on dog walks.
And then cooking to me is like meditation. It's mindless. That's what I say. I follow the directions.
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Yes. And I do what I'm supposed to do. I don't have to think. Literally, you have to think,
but you don't. Yeah. You just do it. And then it's like, it came out and you feel like,
oh, I can do that. What are you cooking? I'm killing in the kitchen. I'm doing empanadas. I'm doing
salmon, Caesar salads. I'm doing, I just tomorrow night work for you. We'll bring the teen
as Vogue. Yes. Yeah. We'll make the drinks. That sounds like the good thing. And then you can bring all
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those questions. And then we can just lay where everyone at that could be a fun night. We can do a
total episode of just Q&A. It's like quick fire questions. Yeah. Well, but seriously, Megan, Kate,
thank you so much. I really appreciate you having me. Thanks for coming on the front of the camera
for us today. Yeah. Because you should be on it more. You look fabulous. You're glowing right now.
Thank you. I had amazing hair and makeup and I feel really good about it. So I never do that for
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myself. So thank you for bringing them on. You know what? It's funny. We say that all the time that
it's in sports as women, we forget sometimes. And I always say like self-care whatever that is,
that's your nails, your hair, your makeup, your whatever. Do it. Because if you look good,
you feel good, you play good, you pay good. Yeah. You know what I mean? I like that. I know.
No, I'm gonna stand on standards. Is that a Deon Sanders? That could be. Yeah, we're good. Yeah,
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we're it's like play hard. Like look good. Feel good. Yeah. Man, I said that. Yeah. Deon Sanders though.
Okay. That's why I'm gonna take it. Deon Sanders. Thank you, Deon Sanders for making my mantra today.
I like that. Now, but thank you so much for coming on. You're an amazing human. I can't wait to
have you back on. We're gonna come up into your studio. We can do one from the studio. Yes.
Done. Done. Done. Done. Sounds good. Thank you so much, Katie. Thanks. Appreciate it.
(37:26):
Okay. I loved having Katie Morgan on the show today. She is literally probably the easiest
person to talk to. I know. It's funny because she's always behind the camera. So she was like,
I almost didn't do the show because I don't want to be in front of the camera. And I think we
did really good today. I'll give it to ourselves at her table. We made her feel comfortable. This
(37:46):
setup is phenomenal. Really is. I mean, pink walls. Like who can write that story? No. That's her
shout out our producer, Scotty today. Like she's killing the game. Scotty's the best. She and she was
so comfortable here. And that's so cool that, you know, from being behind the camera to being
on camera, how great of a job she did. And it was really, really fascinating hearing her story,
(38:07):
how she started at 26 as an internet NBC. Because even when you're at that age, you're like, I don't
want to be in intern. Like, I'm already past that in the fact that she's like, Oh, I'll go be an
internet 26 and go and look at her now. I mean, it's absolutely amazing. She's the only full-time
employee in the WNBA that is just a creative director. But it's funny because the aces to me are really
(38:29):
driving the industry as far as content and access and storytelling. And just listening to her talk
about how much time and energy she puts into preparation for that storytelling was amazing. And by the
way, I was blinded by her ring. Well, this is no joke. The thing weighs like two pounds. It has to
(38:50):
be insured. It's enormous. That was huge. So I was intimidated holding it. I think God, you didn't
hurt it with a mic. God. I love it. It was like, was there a diamond that fell? There were so many
diamonds on the ring. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. I know, but it's so cool,
too. It speaks to the ownership, right? Of that team that they want to make sure everybody feels
a part of that winning culture. And why I think they're becoming so successful. And it was interesting
(39:11):
for her to say, Becky Hamman made this team, right? And they won it because Becky built a team. The second
year, people were building teams to beat them. And now the teams are built to compete against them.
Right. And it's not that easy. And so it's interesting how small little moments in time and methodical
chess games actually make a difference two, three years now. And it's a testament to like understanding.
(39:37):
You're going to get where you need to go. You're going to be where you're supposed to be. Yeah.
Just trust the process. Yeah. But that's her in storytelling. Yeah. To trust the process. You do
all these interviews. You don't know why. And then you see this beautiful feature come out. I can't wait
to watch the Chelsea Gray feature of her return to play, which is going to be so phenomenal.
Even the fashion one that she's doing today with Aja Wilson and her fashion stylist. Yeah.
(40:00):
It's just a true testament to why this show is so important. Yeah. Because there's so many women
in sports that touch sports in different ways that we don't even recognize. So I love that she
gets it to you. But she's also just she's going to champion for everybody. I think we got her out
of behind the camera to the front of the camera. We have a magic touch. I think we can just get anybody
to talk. Yeah. I think so too. She was great. I love to be great detectives. We would. Oh, here we go.
(40:25):
On the truth. But we would though we can get anybody to talk about anything. Yeah. It's kind of fun.
Hey, I'm I would bet on us. Let's go. Next time we're going to solve a crime on this podcast. So stay
tuned and see if we can make the flip from women in sports to true crime pod. Thank you guys so
much for joining. We hope you enjoyed the show today. We are so grateful to our sponsors. Tina's
(40:46):
vodka, dry bar, good American and wild collective. All of them are amazing companies, but they also
support women and self-care. I love it. Thank you so much. We'll see you guys next time.
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