8-16 Segment 2.0 Training Systems owner Marcus Seidel in-studio to talk health & fitness

8-16 2.0 Training Systems owner Marcus Seidel in-studio to talk health & fitness

Episode Transcript

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ninety five ninety the Fan dot Com. It is a Wednesday, so we
will carry on the tradition of havingthe Great Marcus Sidell in studio with us.
How are you man, Good tosee you? Good as always?
Man? What's up with this weather? This is unbelievable. I'm real happy
about it, me too. Yeah, it's like a break from the August
heat. Dude, I'm a bighater of the heat. So the cooler

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the I mean, to an extent, the cooler the better. Yeah.
I did not expect this. Yesterdaywas unbelieving. Actually, the last two
nights that I've bartended at the postahouse right next door to us, the
patio has been completely full all nightlong, like people waiting for tables out
there. I actually noticed some there'ssome There's no people out there as I
walked in, but there's plates Likepeople were clearly just there, which is

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the first time I've actually seen that. So it was I was pulling off
my best Houdini act. And thenmy sister's in town and she's got two
three year old and a one yearold, and my mom was like,
yeah, we'll probably come up forlike an early dinner and just say hi.
I'm like, okay, that's cool. You know, there's like I'm
thinking three adults and two kids.They bring a party of about ten last

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night, and so I'm running backand forth from the bar handling these patio
tables. So I got my stepsin yesterday. So in terms of our
big talk last week about walking andgetting your steps in, I didn't exactly
check what I did yesterday, butI guarantee you I was well over ten
thousand. Yeah it sounds like it. Yeah, you were probably out there.

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That's the cool thing about the wholewalking thing is it doesn't your body
doesn't know the difference between scheduling atime to specifically do a walk for the
purposes of exercise and you just doingrandom daily tasks that includes you having to
walk back and forth still burns thesame amount of calories. Just do it
right, do it? We endedwith last week two point zero Training Systems

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in Webster Groves. If folks arejust tuning in and haven't heard you before
on a Wednesday, I always liketo sort of give you an opportunity to
talk about two point zero Training Systemsand what you guys are doing over there.
We're doing all kinds of stuff overthere, anything anything muscle building or
weight loss related we are doing overthere. We just kicked off our group

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training sessions, which we do withmy I guess I'll call her my assistant
for lack of a better term,Katie. We just started that. Last
week was the first ones and we'vewe've already had a pretty good turnout,
so we're excited to expand upon that. That's going to be really fun for
people. I think sometimes with myselfand even Katie. Katie's in really good

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shape. She's young, she's onlytwenty two, and she's in really good
shape. And then I, youknow, look like a for people who
don't know what I look like ifyou haven't been over to my Instagram,
I'm a big guy bodybuilder. Soit can be sometimes a little bit intimidating
for people, I think, andto do like one on one personal training,
which is primarily what we're doing overthere at two point zero training Systems.

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But the group classes it's a lotless expensive and it's a lot less
intimidating because you're coming in with agroup of people. So like, I
just think there's less of a perceptionof like people feeling vulnerable and like they're
being judged, not that they everwould be, but I think people get
that impression. I think there's alot of people, honestly that would just

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look at me and be like,I would never hire him as a trainer
because he's gonna make me look likethe Hulk, which couldn't be further from
the truth, but that's like theperception. So anyway, we've gotten it
to the point where Katie's doing it. She's very non intimidating, very approachable,
and with it being the group classes, it makes it even you know,
even less, so like you're witha group of people and doing stuff

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and no one's looking at you,you're paying attention, so it's, uh,
yeah, it's cool, that's thenew that's the newest edition that we're
pretty excited about. That being said, if there are people out there who
are like, well, actually,I do want to become the Hulk.
Yeah, well I'm that guy.Yeah. If if you want to be
the Hulk, there's you're you're hearingfrom the guy right now. Yeah,

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no one's gonna do that better.Did people try to make fun of your
appearance as a kid? Were youalways I mean I kind of forget I've
asked you this before, but wereyou always pretty? Jack? You got
into weight lifting pretty young? Iwas for a basketball player. Yes,
Now, compared to the average person, maybe I was. I was maybe
slightly more muscular than the average person, But but I was a basketball player.

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So I mean, you can onlybe so muscular and and play basketball.
Obviously, they're being really big andjacked and running up and down a
basketball court and jumping and all thatkind of stuff is kind of counterintuitive.
So yeah, I'll just I meanto make it a little bit more clear.
Like my when I was in college, I think I was playing around

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one nine ninety five. I'm fiveeleven, So that's big for a point
guard. Yeah, I mean,that's that's a muscular for a basketball player.
I would say the average average guardat five to eleven playing college balls
probably closer to the one seventy range. Yeah, one seventy five maybe,
so, yeah, I was.I was more muscular, but for a

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basketball player, so no one reallylooked at me as like a big guy
back then. It wasn't until afterbasketball that I pursued bodybuilding and pretty quickly
started putting on size, and withina couple of years, I'd say,
by about well, I mean myfirst show is in twenty eleven, probably
by twenty ten, I would say, yeah, people were kind of like,

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what are you? You're a misfitfor the basketball for it? Yeah,
And that's a that's a compliment.I mean, like, honestly,
the more the more derogatory the labelyou would put on me as as a
result of what my physique looks like, the more of a compliment. I

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take it. As if you callme a freak show, that's I mean,
like the ultimate. You know,you call most most people a freak
show as a result of their physicalappearance, that's a huge insult. Hey,
we got a lot of freak showsout there, all right, honestly,
yeah, yeah, and they comein different a big variety of shapes
and sizes. But when you know, if you ever see a guy that's
really big and muscular and you reallywant to make his day. Just call

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him something that you would never wantto call anybody else. He'll he'll love
that we had a caller earlier.UH say that, you know, I
think the Cardinals should fire their theirathletic training staff. And there does seem
to be a person reception that maybethere's too much weight training with today's athlete
that is required to not go throughoblique strains, hamstring issues, all sorts

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of these minor issues, strains andtears that seem to put them on the
injured list frequently throughout the season.You would probably know more than I and
in terms of data related to this, But does strength training result in more
mild grade strains in terms of injury? I would actually argue the opposite point.
It just but it all comes downand I say this, This would

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be my answer to anyone asking almostany question pertaining to strength or hypertrophy style
training is the execution of the movementsis paramounts by far the most important thing.
So like, you can do allthe right movements and lift all the
right amounts of weight and do allthe stuff, but if you're not executing
it perfectly, you're selling yourself shortand opening yourself up to a higher opportunity

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to injure yourself. You know,if you're lifting heavyweights obviously, like you
know, that can be dangerous ifyou're not doing it properly. If you
are doing it properly and your exerciseselection is optimal for what you're trying to
achieve, I would actually argue thatit would make it harder for you to
get injured. So as it pertainsto the Cardinals or any professional sports franchise,

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I have no idea what they're doinggood or bad. Probably good,
I mean I imagine it's most ofit's probably good. But without knowing specifically
what they're doing, I can't makemuch of a critique. But I'd say
if if you're seeing a higher amountof injuries than normal, then I would
say there's a strong chance that they'reeither they're not choosing the right exercises to

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do that wouldn't optimize what they're whatthey're trying to accomplish, or they're just
not executing the movements that they're doingproperly, which is just as much the
fault of whoever's training them as itis the people doing you know, the
players doing it themselves, do youthink some people I mean, when you
hear somebody is injury prone, Imean not all bodies are created equal?

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Correct? So are some guys truly? You know, both genders are both
sides of the aisle. You know, some guys just have a weaker muscle.
I mean, what you got abad batch? I guess sucks to
suck. I guess, yeah,it's hard. I don't know. I
mean, I think it's pretty objective. Some people are definitely injury prone.

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Why It's hard to say. It'sprobably a variety of reasons why, But
I think some of it comes downto, like, if you just get
one specific, fairly severe injury earlyand early in your career, it'll definitely
make you more prone to that sameinjury as your career progresses, especially as

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you get older, especially if ithappens when you're really young, because you're
also going to mature physically and gainweight. You know, like Victor wimban
Yama is a prime example. He's, as far as I know, he's
never been injured, but he's sevenfoot four, seven foot five and long
and lanky. So it's like guyslike that are typically more prone to injury
just as a result of being sotall and long and having so much more

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like surface area that their joints andligaments are covering. But like if he
were to think of like like GregOdin, for example, another you know,
tall guy who was injury prone tothe point of he's not even you
know, he was out of theleague within a handful of years. He
was injured at a young age,and that same injury kept reoccurring, which
is why he was unable to sustainan NBA career. So I think more

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of it just comes down to likegetting It's a lot of it's just bad
luck, I think. But yeah, I mean, I think you could
easily make the argument that some peopleare maybe just genetically more predispositioned for injuries.
But I don't, I don't know. That's a tough one to unpack.
If you were gonna draft, thereare two top players, all right,

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and you're taking them number one overall, and one guy has a knee
issue and not like, oh he'scoming off in a cl like, well,
he's dealt with arthritis in the knee. Yeah, Or you've got a
guy with lower back pain, whichwhich actually let's just say basketball okay,

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which which which would present the lowerrisk in your opinion, to take number
the that guy over the other.I would take the back guy number one,
the lower the backpack. I thinkthat's lower risk. They're both high
risk. But like in basketball obviouslyyou know, running, jumping, being
in a defensive position, all that. It's like, your knees are kind

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of everything in basketball. So ifyou're prone to injuries in the knee,
it's gonna be a probably a recurringthing, whereas the back is a little
bit more stable. Now if it'sit's you know, you'd have to go
into more specific it's like how severeeach injury was and all that kind of
stuff. Probably hard to put ablanket statement on it, for sure,
But but in these vague terms,I would go with the guy with the

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you know those the back issues.Probably. I actually have and had back
issues when I was playing in it. Never I never missed a game because
of it. I missed a littlebit of preseason my freshman year of college
from it, but I was ableto rehab it and then just kind of
maintain it. Whereas a knee isa lot harder, it's just so much

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more vulnerable when you're lifting. Now, do you wear a protective belt to
protect your lower back or anything likethat. I did when I was lifting
a lot heavier and doing more ofthe compound lifts like deadlifts and squats and
stuff. I definitely did. Yeah, I had to otherwise. It was
just it was brutal. But whatwere you maxing out at those? Oh

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my, my best squat Actually havea video I ever happened to get a
video of it. It was wattedsix plates per side, which is five
eighty five for six reps. Ohmy god, I'm a world away from
being able to do that now.Yeah, deadlift I think I got.

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I was close to a seven hundreddeadlift, like uh in single like you
know, just a one rep man. Yeah. No, again, I
couldn't even pull probably a little overhalf of that now, and I mean
close to it. Yeah. Idon't remember if I ever actually hit seven
hundred, but it was in thehigh sixes for one. Uh. And

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then let's I take you about thirtyminutes to put all the plates on and
off. It takes a while.That is the most annoying part. I'm
not even kidding when I say,like that's more than anything. Well,
I got an umbilical hernia from it. So that's my real reason why I
stopped doing it. But if itwasn't for that, I probably would have
stopped doing it anyway. Literally forthat reason. It was so annoying loading

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and on loading all the plates foryou know, a movement that's only going
to take me five minutes to do. I was literally spending more time and
energy and effort loading and unloading weightsthan I was on the exercise itself,
which is so annoying. The benchpress, which is the one everyone always
wants to know, those are likethe three lifts that people ask about.

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It's that's that's what powerlifting is,So those are your three lifts. My
I think my best bench was fourtwenty first sink for one. So I
and what's funny is I didn't.I didn't really lift for the purposes of
one rep max strength like that.I wasn't a powerlifter. Had I focused
specifically on training for powerlifting, allthose numbers would have definitely been higher.

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I was. That was just metraining like a bodybuilder, usually for more
reps. That's why I don't evenhave a one rep squat max. I
never did a one rep squat max. That's why I give you the five
eighty five for six. But anyway, I digress. Now many people can
get five eighty five for Yeah,it's not common. Keep that in perspective.

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It is so funny that line ofwhat do you what's your bench?
Yeah, I don't know if Ibring this up. Last week, I
had some cousins in town and Itook the fourteen year old to the gym
and we're on the way there andhe's like, so, what's your bench?
And I'm like, hey, Jack, let me tell you something.
All right, you're fourteen, I'mthirty three. When you get to thirty

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three, you let me know whatyour bench is. Now. You know,
these kids are into weightlifting, somaybe he will be benching, you
know, pretty solid. But I'mlike, I'm not giving you my I'm
not going there. Okay, you'lllaugh at my little functional training slash cardio
workout regimen. But I do keepsaying and keep fit well. And I
can say twenty years from now,well I'll be asking you what's your bench?

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And I don't think they're gonna careby the time they're in their thirties.
Now, that's like when you're ateenager up until maybe your mid twenties,
you care about that stuff because it'swhatever. I don't know, it's
just something you can compare to otherpeople. But yeah, when I was
when I was younger, I gotthe question all the time. Everywhere I
went. Everything I did, itwas strangers would come up and ask.

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It's a measuring content. It's ayou know what I'm getting? Yeah,
who's got the biggest D in theroom? Correct? And it's a lot
of times it was just like youraverage because it's the thing. It's like
your average person who doesn't even necessarilywork out knows that that's like a question
you can ask someone and they're gonna, you know, it's like an obscure

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question that if you ask a muscularperson, they're gonna know, they're gonna
have an answer for you. AndI don't know, so I got it.
I would go out to bars andstuff back in my twenties, and
guys that I've never spoken to inmy life would just come up and strike
up conversation to find out how muchI benched. I'm like, I don't
know why you guys care about thisso much, but whatever, it's just

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the personal pride, I suppose,I guess. Text line eight five two
a two a two five five MarcusSidell in studio with us year on a
Wednesday ball When Bandit asked how rippedis too ripped for you to look at
a gallon? Say too much?That's gonna be an individual thing. I
don't because I'm if he's asking medirectly, you could get pretty freaking ripped.

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Man. It's I'm I'm jaded inthat department because a large portion of
what I do for a living isgetting both men and women as absolutely ripped
as possible. Do you have alot of female clients clients exactly? And
then then they compete? So theanswer is, for me, there is
no limit. Now what do Ifind like socially attractive? Like you know,

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I don't necessarily look at women whoare like contest ready, shredded,
veiny and all that and think,oh she's hot, but that's not really
the point. So anyway, mymy standards or my what I find acceptables
totally different than what the average personis because this is like, it's what
I do, It's what I lookat all the time. So I do

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get what they're saying. Though sometimesyou see these photos from lifting competitions and
you see these females, you needto make sure that they're females. By
the way, correct, The transmovement is definitely invading women's lifting. Yeah,
let me let me interject something.This is this was kind of funny.
This was a testimony from some female. I don't know who she is.

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I think she even maybe posted thisanonymously. She's a female competitor though,
who uses peeds and stuff openly,and you know, most most women
do not that they should necessarily andthey definitely need to be careful with what
they're taken how much, But Idigress on that point. But this,
this female, anonymous female competitor postedtalking about going to her doctor and mentioning

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that she wanted to use testosterone forthe purposes of competing for being, you
know, competing in bodybuilding, andher doctor was adam against it, like,
you know, you cannot do this. This is unsafe, it's not
good for you. Women should notbe taking testosterone, like absolutely not.
Like she was essentially trying to seeif she could get a prescription and her
doctor was like vehemently against it.And then until she caught wind of the

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fact that she could go back tothat same doctor and tell that doctor that
she wanted to transition, and andhe, well or they, I don't
know what, totally fine with it. When she decided she wanted and she
didn't want to transition, she liedabout it. She was just using this
as a test to see if thiswas a totally fine if you want to

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transition and become a man. Yeah, absolutely right on, all the way,
on board with it. Well,wouldn't he have to prescribe testosterone in
order to initiate that process? That'sexactly what she went there for. That
was why she lied about it,was so that she could get the prescription
from the doctor under the pretenses thatshe wanted to transition into a mail,

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when in reality she didn't. Shejust wanted to use it for bodybuilding purposes.
It's just local, No, Idon't think so. Yeah, it
was. It was like an anonymousposter essentially, so I have no idea
who it was, but it wasa female competitor who then came out got
a prescription from the doctor four testosteroneonly because she claimed that she wanted to

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transition into a male, but beforethat, when she just wanted to compete.
Absolutely out of the question. Wow, same doctor, same drug,
Any idea how old the competitor was. No, I'm not sure. If
I had to guess, I wouldsay probably twenties most likely. It could

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she could have been twenty, shecould have been twenty nine, and she
maybe could have even maybe been inher thirties. But the most you know,
most likely scenario, based on allthe context I have and knowing you
know, typically when competitors start thesport and when they stopped the sport and
all this other stuff, she wasmost likely was in her twenties. As
I say, with the highest likelihoodis that she was in her twenties.
But I have no idea. Idon't know anything about her other than that

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story. Is it possible to golike a whole year where your body weight
is at a certain percentage when you'rein these modes of competition, you're cutting
significantly, So meaning like like,is being contest conditioned like super shredded sustainable?
No, it's not. It's notsupposed to be. So that's that's

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to go. Take the question fromthe text here a little bit further.
When you see these women who aresuper shredded and like, you know,
not what you would call the mostattractive, it's just for the sport.
It's mostly just for the day ofthe sport. Now you're gonna look like
that leading up to it for youknow, a handful of weeks, maybe
maybe even a month or two,and then after the show, as you

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kind of reverse back out of it, you're still going to maintain that look
for a short duration. But thatnone of that's sustainable. The way people
look on stage is not even notonly sustainable physiologically, it's not supposed to
be. You're not supposed to looklike that all the time. So not
granted, you should try to stayin decent condition, which is still probably

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above what most people would find normalor attractive. But again it's it's not
really what the sports for, whatallows their body to get to that exact
appearance well at the most peaked time, a whole bunch of a combination of
a whole lot of stuff. Sofirst of all, like the most important

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component of it is your off season, when you're in a calorie surplus and
you're training for the purposes of growingenough muscle tissue, Because if you don't
have a lot of muscle, youcan get as lean as you want.
It's not going to look the waythe text is probably asking about. But
once let's just say it's assumed thatyou have established enough muscle mass to really

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be competitive in some of these differentdivisions, whether it's a male or female.
Then it comes down to, inLayman's terms, just a calorie deficit.
Whether that's created by lower calorie consumptionor more activity like cardio, more
training, more burning of calories.It's really the combination of both. You

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know, there's there's over the counterfat burners that come into play. There's
you know, PEED fat burner,like you know, stuff that's not legal
that people are using that that thatburn fat. There's peed steroids and stuff
that that come into play. Somepeople. Now it's people assume that everyone

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goes on stage super dehydrated, andthat would be the number one that's not
that that's not a lot of peopledo. I would actually go as far
as to say most people do.And if you were to ask them or
the person telling them to do itwhy they're doing it, they're going to
give you some generic, like nonscientific answer. Well, it's because it's

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gonna make you look dryer. It'sgonna there's no truth beyond that. There's
very little. I mean, there'ssome truth to it, I suppose,
But the fact of the matter is, like, if you're dehydrating, what
happens is you can't control whether you'redehydrating the muscle or the water retention that's

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subcutaneous under the skin. It's it'sgonna pull from both. And so if
you're pulling water from the muscle cells, you're also the muscle's not gonna look
as full and round either. Soa lot of times when people go on
stage super dehydrated, they're sacrificing thefullness and roundness of the muscle, which
is it's kind of like Robin Peterto pay Paul. So it's it's not

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you should. In my opinion,the way I do things with my athletes,
which tends to work, you know, better than the average person,
is not to dehydrate people. Nowyou can reduce your water consumption. What
I typically do is load people's waterfor the first for the whole week leading
up to the show, like increasetheir water intake so that there are aldosterone

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hormone adjusts and normalizes on say,if you're if you're used to drinking a
gallon of water a day, andI put you on a gallon and a
half for five six days leading upto the show. Your body will adapt
and become accustomed to a gallon anda half of water, but you're also
going to be urinating some water out. And then at the last day,
if you reduce the water tremendously butnot cut it entirely, you still have

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enough water in there to keep musclecells hydrated in full, but you're also
still urinating out a lot of theexcess water from your body being accustomed to
a gallon and a half. SoI hope that's concise enough for people to
have any idea what I'm talking about. What percentage of people do you even
think consume a gallon of water aday to begin with? Very few?
Very few? Yeah, a gallonand a half of water. I mean

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you'd be you'd be peeing for sixhours of the day. It's a lot,
especially if you're using That's the otheranother very common theme the you know,
the day of or a couple daysout from a show, some of
these psychotic coaches will prescribe it forover a week of like prescription diuretics,

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which again it's the same concept,is just not drinking water. It's really
just you're flattening out your muscles forthe sake of not retaining any water.
That can be super dangerous. Butthat's another component of it. Anyway,
I don't I'd never use prescription diureticswith anybody. Maybe over the counter diuretics

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for some people, just to giveit a little crisper look, But I
don't ever cut people's water entirely outZach ass. That doctor story was crazy
about the girl lift thy that isinsane. It's insane. Yeah, has
Markers heard the name Jordan Grace?Jordan Grace still wrestling but now competes in
body competitions for six month transformation andvoice drop was insane. Is vocal cord

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thickening permanent? Are you an experton that? Uh? Well it is,
yes, I mean it is permanent. Yeah, Uh it is though
that y go dark once you godeep. And that's again that's one of
the big mistakes a lot of womentake make is using the peeds that are

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going to give you masculine side effects. And again it's the same it's the
same concept as the people who aretransitioning. That's why that story with the
doctor is so crazy. But butyeah, it is so I know,
I know personally, like, I'mgood friends with a lot of women who
earlier in their life when they werecompeting, they would do anything necessary to

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look good on stage and get atrophy. And they made the mistake of
using either too many peeds, toohigh of a dosage, to you know,
too many different compounds, the wrongcompounds. And yeah, they have
their vocal cords have thickened, andnow they do have deeper voices, and
now they just look like everyday normalwomen, but their voice sounds like this.

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Man. I mean, nothing turnsme on more than when you know
my lady, which Alex Jones.It's bad, man, It's bad.
That's why you gotta really be carefulwho you hire as a contest prep coach.
If you ever want to compete andyou're you, you find yourself inquiring

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with a person who doesn't really knowwhat they're doing. That's going to put
you on a bunch of drugs thatyou don't know anything about. And that
happens all the time, by theway. Uh, it's a bad look.
You got to really be careful whoyou hire. I literally, no,
no exaggeration. Ironically, I didn'teven know we were going to be
discussing any of this stuff before Icame in, as I never do.

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We don't we don't prep. No, we don't plan for any of this,
which I love. But I literallyjust made a post, probably less
than ten minutes before I got here, about two clients of mine who are
just in this little Instagram story threadthat posted contest prep pictures and there's happened
to be side by side, soI cropped them out and posted it.
Each of them have done four show. Actually one of them is Katie who

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works for me that does the groupclasses that I mentioned. But between the
two of them, they've each donefour shows, so eight shows total,
and they've won all eight of them, and neither one of them has ever
touched any peed Wow local or both. Yeah, both local. Katie's here,
Courtney lives a little bit further outon the Illinois side, but yes,

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still local. Yeah, like withinan hour of here. The mad
Marine yep Nate, you should bedrinking half of your body weight in ounces
of water separative meals if you runa long distance around your body weight and
water constantly pean almost every twenty toforty minutes. I don't totally disagree with
that. Yeah, that's that's apretty good that's a pretty good advice.

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How many ounces you're in a gallontwenty eighth, so you'd have to drink
more than a gallon, but youdon't have Like, here's the thing,
you don't have to those those formulasaren't like set in stone. But I
think for most people a gallon isa good thing to shoot for. And
here's the thing about like, youknow, the going you know, peeing

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all the time is a side effectof drinking a lot of water, which
is, you know, a littlebit of an inconvenience. But whatever,
it's not, it's not the endof the world. We're usually close enough
to a bathroom where it's not abig deal. But the other thing is
I mentioned your aldosterone hormone earlier.The aldosterone hormone is is basically what regulates
how much water you retain and wherein your body it's being retained. And

(30:42):
once you get accustomed to a certainamount of water intake, like the amount
you're going to urinate is gonna isgonna regulate. So yeah, you'll you'll
go to the bathroom more often thannormal if you're drinking a gallon or so
or a little even a little more. But it's it's not that you're gonna
urrinate way more often when you veryfirst start doing it. But literally,

(31:03):
by the end of a week ofdrinking that amount of water, it won't
be as bad because your body willregulate and get more accustomed to it.
Look, I have started, Istarted this a while ago. But I
just go buy five gallon tanks ofwaters and I put them on that cooler,
and so I carry around and youknow what is this. This is

(31:23):
thirty four ounces right here. Yeah. So I probably go through three or
four of these a day, andI just refill it with the five gallon
tank. It's cold water, it'sfiltered water. It's good. Four of
those a day is like a gallon. Yeah, I mean, I consume
a lot of water. It's good. But and it keeps you full too.
You know a lot of times whenyou're craving something, your body is

(31:45):
just asking you to please drink somewater. Dehydrated, Yeah, A lot
of the sensation of hunger is alot of times just because of dehydration.
It feels kind of the same ifyou if your body is in knee of
hydration. The sensation that you mightget could be misleading and make you think

(32:06):
that you're hungry, when in reality, if you just drink the sufficient amount
of water, your appetite it tendsto be less intense. Where are you
at on filtered water, I'm prettystrict. I don't. I don't care
that much about it, to behonest with you, personally. Well,
and here's the other thing. InSaint Louis, we have good water.
We have really good tap water comparedto most other places. Yeah, we

(32:28):
do. It tastes good. Yeah, but there's also sure chlorine. Yeah,
there's stuff in there that you thatyou might have some benefit from filtering
out. But I don't. Personally, I mean, just to be one
hundred percent transparent, I drink tapwater all the time exclusively. Yeah.
I've even sort of shied away fromgetting like individual bottles of water, like

(32:52):
the plastic bottles you see these bigstores, you know, they buy them
in the palate. They come inon huge pal The water it goes through
such variation of temperature. Oh yeah, some stores, literally I can't believe
they do this. They leave themoutside. What do they always say?

(33:13):
The number one thing, don't leavea bottle of water in your car?
And then drink it because the carcinogensthat come off the microplastics of the water
bottle so right into the water.Yeah, and they literally you're like,
oh yeah, I just take apalette of the water outside off the bay.
Yeah. What I've never been aI've all since like the nineties when
bottled waters started. I think itwas like the late nineties that bottled waters

(33:36):
started to become like really mainstream,and you know, and I was really
young then, obviously, and uh, I always was so perplexed by Now.
I'm not going to claim that Idon't ever drink bottled water. Yeah,
I mean it's rare for me todo. It's it's got to be
like a complete convenience thing for me. But I really, since I was

(33:57):
like a kid, I was alwayslike, we have water. We have
every one of us in the firstworld has access to water that's just right
there, and we're going to thestore and paying exorbitant amounts of money for
the same water put in a bottle. You want to talk about environment stuff
like the amount of plastic bottles beingused in just in America alone, I

(34:22):
forget what there was some statistic.I have no idea if it was accurate,
but it was something about like theamount of bottled water we consume in
a year, if you were totake each bottle and string them together,
would like wrap around the entire worldmultiple times or something like that. Absolutely
believe it. And I was alwaysjust kind of like what a scam.
Like people are paying insane amounts ofmoney over the long run for stuff that

(34:46):
they literally could just get out oftheir own sink at home or anywhere.
And it's not any better, Likeit's really the bottled water is really not
anymore. There's really no difference.It's basically tap water in a bottle.
And in Aquafina actually have to comeout at one point and admit that,
and they said that their water wasjust filtered. Yeah, basically tap water.

(35:08):
It's just tapwaters derived from the samesort, and they're all it comes
from a spring. And I meanI think some some outlets definitely you know,
go to the spring and get itssourced there and whatever. They probably
shocked treated right there and it's bottledat the source. But I guess I
don't know. But to me,I don't know either. I promise you
I've never had any issues and I'vedrank almost exclusively from a sink my entire

(35:31):
life. Well, you're a normalYou also go down to Mexico and you
drink the water down there, andyou you know, you didn't even get
to defecate perfectly, you know,no problems. Well, that's why it
because i drink tap water all thetime, and I've just built up the
immunity to all the crap in thewater, uh doc or the plat doc
Marcus Idell. Where this are theplastic containers we buy, such as sports

(35:52):
bottles on Amazon, better than waterbottles in the store. As far as
dangers of what I was referring to, I can't carry glass everywhere. What
are the real dangerous well that they'vetalked about. Say you go get like
Nalgene. Remember Nalgene, We're realpopular for a while. Those have some

(36:14):
issues too. Probably I don't.I'm I'm not really well versed in that
typic. Look, if you startbreaking down all of the bad things that
are in your food or in thewater or whatever, I mean, you
you would be scared to probably eator drink anything ever. Again, I
mean, you carry out a stupidphone that's definitely giving off radioactive waves every

(36:36):
day and you're putting it right nearyour crotch. I actually posted about this
yesterday. I just think people sometimesspend too much time reading up on all
of the idiosyncrasies of nutrition and whateverelse, so people start fixating on really
really minor issues and don't focus atall on the ones that really matter.

(37:00):
Like, and I know this isI'm taking the conversation in a slightly different
direction, but like, if youwant to be if you want to follow
a nutrition plan that will get youthe result that you're trying to achieve with
your physique, eat the appropriate amountof calories and that's it. Like that's
the end of That's all you needto focus on. Eat the appropriate for
the average person, if you justeat the appropriate number of calories on a

(37:23):
daily basis and actually track it diligently. We have apps and stuff. As
a matter of fact, shouldn't evendo this because we haven't even announced it
yet. Public are going to comeout with a new app we have already,
do have it? Is it inbeta version or is it ready to
go? It's ready to go,Katie and I are just get download it
right now, Yes you can.It's two point zero training systems. I'm

(37:43):
doing it. Yeah, so,and it tracks your calories? Can you
can't? So? Right now,the feature the functionality, you have to
literally become a client and pay forprogramming for us to be able to use
all the functionality. However, weare going to be adding a feature where
you can just have like a fivedollar monthly subscription and then you'll have all

(38:04):
the functionality the app where you cantrack everything. But again, we this
is literally the first announcement I've madeof it. We haven't even discussed this
because Katie and I are still kindof learning the back end of it from
the trainer. From our perspective,it's way more complicated than it is.
If you download it, it's veryuser friendly and simple to use, but

(38:25):
from our end, it's a littlebit complicated. And so until her and
I become more comfortable with it,we were planning on announcing it then,
but well, this is live Radioshown. It's too late. I just
have a have a five star reviewfor what it's worth. One Google.
I can't remember my Apple passwords,so that's pain in the ass. Don't

(38:45):
get me. Yeah started on that. I'll get it at some point.
Yeah, yeah, take your time. We have some of our our existing
clients and some of the you know, new people who are coming on board
that we're using the app with.So we're pretty comfortable with it. Like
I said, the next when weadd the additional feature where you don't have
to actually pay and become a client, you'll have to pay to download the

(39:06):
app or to use the functionality,but it'll be like five bucks a month
as opposed to you know, payingfor individual services from myself or Katie.
But once that's out, we're we'rewe'll announce it because it's we're comfortable enough
we can start using it. SoI don't mind letting the cat out of
the bag on the show today.It'll only get better if you download it

(39:28):
today. And it's not the bestend user experience. You don't get all
you know that the power is coming. Yeah, yeah, we'll do,
we'll do. We'll talk about iton you know, later episodes when everything
is up and running the way wewant it to. But yeah, anyway,
the point being, what was Isaying it was tracking, Oh easy,

(39:49):
appropriate a number of calories and you'regoing to be good. That's what
you need to focus on. Buteverybody gets so fixated on like microplastics and
seed oils being bad for you inthis die causing cancer and this and that.
It's like, dude, trust me, if you want to dig into
the actual research on all this stuff, everything is entirely conflicting. Most of

(40:10):
the best data shows that most ofthat stuff's not a big deal. I
know, you know Joe Rogan,who, by the way, I love
sometimes talks out you know, talksout his ass about some of this stuff
and has seen incomplete data where he'slike, this is this is going to
kill you. And it's not justhim. It's like a ton of podcasters
and influencers who just you know,they want to say alarmist information for the

(40:37):
sake of views and clicks and atthe end of the day money, when
in reality, some of that datais very inconclusive. We've talked about like
the artificial sweeteners stuff. I thinkif you asked the average person, if
you pulled a thousand people just outon Manchester Road and asked, do you
think artificial sweeteners are bad for you? I would say probably seven out of

(41:00):
ten at least would say yeah.And they and it's not Soli's one.
Every lots of people think that.But if you look at the actual like
the legitimate data on it. Whereit's stuff is in context, there's no
detriment like most of the data would. This is the context, and I
don't know the exact don't quote mespecifically on this, but I believe it's

(41:22):
superlos. I think in order tohave any chances of developing cancer as a
result of consuming superlos, you wouldhave to drink, like I want to
say, like two thousand two leadersdiet sodas a day for like one hundred
and fifty years. Well, whenwas the last time you went to Costco

(41:44):
or Walmart? Exactly? You'd haveto drink all of Costco's entire supply every
single day for fifty lifetimes. Iswear I've seen people pull cards out of
those joints that look like they havea Those people have much bigger problems than
diet sodas. They're collected diet cokelike it's going out as diet. Those
people are drinking diet coke to offsetthe three trips to KFC a day,

(42:09):
You know what I mean. Well, if I'm gonna eat fifteen thousand calories
worth of junk all day, atleast I'll drink zero calorie soda, but
it's fingerlicking good. Yeah. AndI but again, you look at that
person drinking diet soda, and youcan make the you know, the correlation.
If the diet SODA's bad, it'slike, nah, it was the
fast food and the massive abundance ofcalories that was bad, and the diet

(42:32):
soda was just indifferent. Get this, I can't even enjoy a full like
non soda, non sugar free soda. Same if I try a Coca Cola,
I'm like, yeah, that isso sweet. I can't even drink
it. And then, for thelife of me, I would never understand
why somebody would go drink a realGatorade or a real Powerade. I don't

(42:55):
either. Why wouldn't you just getthe Powerade zero? I don't know.
I've never been able to understand whenyou have the option of one versus this
one can make you fat, thisone can't. They both taste almost the
same, and if you just getaccustomed to one, you're gonna like it
more than the other. Why whywould you choose the one with all the

(43:16):
sugar in it? I cannot getmy head wrapped around that. Now,
I will say there probably is forsome people because they're so addicted to the
sugary drinks that they think it tastesdrastically different. But like anything, once
you change your habits, your tastebudge will just naturally figure that. If

(43:36):
I taste to Coke zero right now, I literally it does the job.
I can't get through a whole Cokecan. Honestly, I drink like the
little guy for sure. Yeah.It's like it's the people who are like
team Coke over team Pepsi because theythink coke's so superior to pepsi, And
it's like, dude, trust me, if you just drink pepsi for a
week instead of coke, you wouldn'tknow the difference. It's almost exactly the

(44:00):
same. It's different if you're ifyou're used to one that you drink every
single day, and then one timeyou try the other one, you probably
aren't gonna like it as much.But yeah, just give your taste buds
a minute to adapt. Trust methat the sugar free stuff is just as
good. I wanted to ask youabout protein powder consumption when we talk,
maybe a little bit about it lastweek, but I've been seeing various reports

(44:22):
on how much your body can metabolizein a short setting. So if I
take one scoop of protein after Iwork out and it's twenty one grams or
whatever it is, is my bodyable to absorb all of that or yes,
it will be able to. Yeah, there's some misconception on that.

(44:44):
There's a lot of a lot ofpeople are under the assumption that you can
only absorb a certain amount of proteinor whatever. So if you're eating anything
over thirty grams, it's useless.That's there's there's no truth to that.
You'll absorb all of it. Now, are you going to convert all of
it through muscle protein synthesis to newmuscle tissue. No, you're absolutely not,
But that doesn't mean you shouldn't consumea sufficient amount. What happens is

(45:09):
if you if you consume an abundanceof protein in a short period of time,
like way more than then you technicallywould need. Really, what ends
up happening is the digestion slows,so it just takes you longer to absorb
all of it, and then itjust it's a matter of conversion. So
you might convert some of that toprotein synthesis, which is the goal,

(45:30):
but in reality, you're really onlygoing to convert probably five to ten if
you're a large muscular male using peds, maybe as much as like twenty grams
of protein per day through protein synthesisto new tissue. Otherwise you would just
be building muscle, like obscene amountsof muscle. I mean, think about

(45:52):
protein. Is a is a likegrams is a unit of weight measurement,
So like five hundred grams of proteinis equal to one pound of protein essentially
of pure protein. So if youwere converting all of that to muscle,
may you could gain a pound ofmuscle every day if you just ate five
hundred grams of protein a day,which is keep in mind, that's three

(46:14):
hundred and sixty five pounds of musclein a year. No human has ever
even come remotely close to that.No one's ever even had three hundred and
fifty pounds of muscle tissue on ahuman body ever in a lifetime. So
I don't know, Rose o'donald isreally she's jacked. Yeah, it's true.
It's a good point. But yeah, so just because you're not converting

(46:35):
it to muscle via protein synthesis doesn'tmean you shouldn't consume it. And yes,
you will absorb it. A lotof it will just get converted to
glucose, which is which is okay, nothing wrong with that, Dave the
Pipeler a great show again, guys. I've worked for Missouri American Water for
about thirty years. Rest assured nowater goes through our system. Has no
cool about city water. He addsthat that it is high quality as any

(46:58):
water in any store. I believethat, I actually do believe that.
I've heard some scary things though aboutthe city water because the people in leadership
have done nothing to upgrade the pipesin the different infrastructure. And I don't
know all of the details, butapparently up near like Chain of Rocks Bridge,

(47:22):
there are pipes that are so rustedand outdated that if those things were
to explode or go and there'd bea break, I've been told that it
would be catastrophic for the city ofSaint Louis. Could be that's over my
head. I'm not sure. Yeah, I have no idea, and there's
some politics attached to that. Tobe quite honest with you, but quite

(47:44):
frankly, would you be shocked ifthings in the City of Saint Louis weren't
necessarily up to speed on the governmentjust told us that there are literally aliens,
and I don't I'm kind of justlike indifferent. So now I wouldn't
be shocked by anything. There's nothingshocks anybody anymore. I'm not shocked by
anything. And I just spent aweek in Austin, Texas around some very

(48:07):
interesting patriot I was in room onSaturday night. Doctor Peter McCollough was in
there. Uh, Ted, ohgosh, I mean Stu Peters. Wow.
We were with Owen Stroyer, aroundSavannah Hernandez, around some modern day
gangsters. The twenty twenty three firstAnnual Patriot Liberty Awards. I see lots

(48:31):
of right wing extremists. It was. It was wild. But some of
the speeches would I mean they werethey was going. I can imagine it's
probably awesome. Yeah, your boyDominic Trippy was really living it up.
That's right up his alley man.That is uh, he would be right
in his element. I imagine.I couldn't even keep up with the amount

(48:53):
of white claws that he was destroying. And now he didn't even like white
claws, but that was the onlyoption they had. He's more of a
high Yeah, yeah, yeah,I'm more of I don't even drink,
but I'm a high noon guy becauseit's the show. The show, you
know. Now it's the Verdicts.So ah, I see, yeah,
they needed to come out with analcohol called the Verdict. Well just wait

(49:14):
five seconds. Maybe they will.But BRONI, how you doing? Partner
in Nate? I was incrested?Butte over the weekend. Isn't that where
your brother lives or is that inBeaver? Yeah, he does live in
Crested Butte and beautiful. Time ayear to be out there right now in
the mountains. The aspens are beginningto change, so they will go bye

(49:35):
bye about mid September. Those thingswill just look golden. They'll be all
yellow. People go out there andthey take time lapse photos. I mean
they'll set up for weeks at atime. I don't know what they do
for a living, but they apparentlyhave a lot of time. They'll go
set up cameras and they get thesepanoramic views of the mountains with the aspens
changing. That'll just take your absolutebreath away. It's amazing. Yeah,

(49:58):
it's my time of year. Man. This As soon as I started feeling
that little bit of crispness in thebreeze. I was like, Okay,
here we go, it's coming.Fall's coming. I know, you get
a taste of it. But thenKevin said at the start of King's Court
that it sounds like the hot temperaturesare coming back, maybe as soon as
this weekend. I'm sure they will, but it's still there's light at the

(50:21):
end of the tunnel where it's goingto get nice out by my standards.
Anyway, Zach says, the applooks great. He's downloaded it. He
sent me a screen shot, soawesome. Ill, we'll promote that more,
yeah, coming week, especially oncewe add that that next feature where
people can like actually use the appfunctionally without hiring one of us. Now,

(50:43):
of course we would love for anyoneto hire us if they want our
actual services. But yeah, whenwe when we add the feature, it's
you'll be able to do all kindsof stuff on there without paying us for
our full services. Uh. Therewas one other thing you sent me something
on Instagram that yeah, we kindof I didn't get to but this is

(51:06):
kind of amazing about another doctor.Ye give me the backstory this if you
would. Yep, So I'll tryto be semi vague and keep the story
as concise as possible. So Ihave a client who was also a friend,
and she was having some health concernsand was seeing a doctor about it.
Everything ended up getting cleared up veryquickly and easily. Doctor kept running

(51:30):
more tests for whatever reason they youknow, they kind of used it under
the guise of like, well,let's just make sure everything is on point,
blah blah blah. So they ransome blood work, and before she
said anything about her doctor's response tothe blood work, she showed me the
blood work. Now, let mepreface this by saying, I am in

(51:51):
no way a medical professional, however, just via self education and as a
necessity as a contest prep coach whodoes work with people who do use peds,
I'm fairly well versed for a nonmedical professional at at dictating people's blood
panels blood work. And she sentme the blood work and I looked at

(52:14):
it, and everything was almost perfect. There was the only thing I saw
on there that was a little bitout of place was her creatinine was a
little bit high. And for thosewho don't know, creatinine is basically kind
of just free radicals that aren't fullyfiltered out of your kidneys that come from
that essentially come from exertion of musclestissue. Elevated creatinine is insanely common in

(52:40):
people who work out, especially theharder you work out and the more muscular
you are, the more likely youare to have elevated creatinine levels on a
on a blood test, would itbe considered toxin or it would be if
it's extremely elevated. And what Iwas going to get to next is there's
another marker on on your blood panelcalled GFR, which stands for globular filtration

(53:02):
rate, and that's your kidneys.That's basically in reference to your kidneys,
the filtration rate of your kidneys essentially, so those free radicals, the creatinine
gets filtered by your kidneys. Soif your GFR is extremely high and your
creatining is extremely high, I'm sorry. If if your GFR is extremely low,

(53:24):
meaning it's like not filtering things optimally, and your creating those free radicals
is very high, then you mightactually have something to be concerned about.
But if your GFR is normal,meaning that your kidneys are filtering things at
a normal rate, and you haveelevated creatinine, especially as a person who
exercises and lifts weights and stuff likethat, that's totally normal. Any legitimate

(53:46):
doctor immediately would look at that andknow that it's not Again, it's not
complicated to the point that me,as a non medical professional, can look
at that in two seconds and recognize, Yeah, this is essentially perfect blood
work. Although there's one marker that'sslightly elevated, that's for good cause.

(54:07):
Because you exercise, that's normal.That's good, You're healthy. Well,
she then told me after my response, she was like, well, my
doctor literally told me that because mycreatanine levels are so high that I should
stop working out. She said thatshe thinks that she is working out too
often, which is causing problems,and that she should eliminate exercise as a

(54:29):
result of her elevated creatning levels.She this girl, by the way,
this girl works out about four timesa week. So nothing that crazy,
No, not at all. She'snot even a competitor. She might eventually
compete. She does have very goodgenetics, and I think she'll if she
decides to compete, she'll do well. But she doesn't. She doesn't do
I don't think she does any likedirect cardio or anything. She just lifts

(54:53):
with me a couple of times aweek and maybe goes to the gym once
on her own, and that's it. So it's like a very sustainable,
normal amount of healthy exercise that she'sdoing. And I was like, this
is insane. I'm like, Icannot believe that a physician would tell you
with a straight face to stop exercising, especially for this particular reason. As

(55:16):
a physician, you should immediately knowslightly elevated creatinine in a person who exercises
with an perfect blood work otherwise andspecifically perfectly normal ranges in the GFR,
they should immediately know it's because youexercise that these creating levels just look misleadingly

(55:36):
high, even though they're really that'svery normal and an acceptable thing. Anyway.
She has an uncle who is alsoa physician in Texas who she basically
was screenshotting everything I was saying andsending it to him, and he confirmed
everything that I said was one hundredpercent accurate. I've even posted some of
the screenshots of the conversation on myown Instagram story, and I had multiple

(55:59):
people reach out that we're medical professionals. One I don't I don't know her
personally or specifically what she does,but she The first thing she said in
response was I have over twenty yearsof experience in the kidney related medical field,
and everything you're saying is completely accurate. She's like, when we have
people who are more muscular or whowe know exercise rigorously come in and do

(56:22):
blood work that we'll do at twentyI forget what she called it, like
a twenty four hour something. Idon't know what it is, where it
will basically like get the creatinine levelsback to baseline on its own before they
actually run the blood work to seehow accurate it is. She's like,
you your spot on that doctors,it's an idiot, and it goes to

(56:44):
show. It's the same thing I'vesaid a couple times on the show.
There are good doctors and there arebad doctors, and unfortunately it's kind of
hard to delineate one from another ifyou're not a medical professional yourself, which
is scary. MM, well,I got a pretty easy test. Hey,
doc, do you think I shouldget the shot? Absolutely? I

(57:07):
think it's that that one will getanswered for you without you even having an
ask. I went in. Idon't even have a primary care physician.
I just never go to the doctorunless I actually have an issue, which
is really kind of never. Ihad a really bad ear infection, like
it I guess it was like twoyears ago. I had a really like
insanely painful ear infection. So Iwent to urgent care and they set me

(57:30):
up with like a primary physician.And the first question he asked me when
I walked in, He's like,so, are you vaccinated? Yeah?
I was like, why why doyou? Why is that? Why are
you even asking me that I'm herefor an ear infection? It's like,
well, you really should be vaccinated. I had the same chat from my
primary care doctor. I was like, do you care to explain to me
exactly why you think I need tobe vaccinated? And he got real uncomfortable

(57:54):
and I had literally asked him thatverbatim. He got really uncomfortable and wanted
to give me some lecture. AndI think he knew immediately that it was
I was the wrong. Wasn't goingto go out Yeah, so he was
just like, no, you justyou really should. But anyway, but
think about how many people don't havethe courage or brave enough to say politely
like okay, thank you for projectingyour basically politics on me. But I'm

(58:19):
good on that. I'm here forthe ear. Could you stick that thing
in my ear and see what weneed to do in order to solve that
riddle? Correct? Aka, canyou just prescribe me some antibiotics so my
ear gets better? And you knowwhat, some doctors would say, this
is how crazy it's gotten. Well, sir, because you didn't get the
juice, we can't actually solve yourear problem, so politely step aside.
There are good doctors and there arebad doctor Hey, we learned about two

(58:43):
pretty corrupt doctors today. Between adoctor who wouldn't legally prescribe testosterone and then
decided that it would be a goodidea if when she went back and said,
well I'm going to transition and wassay okay with that, and this
doctor who didn't know how to reada simple blood results chart with slightly elevated
levels from something that has naturally derivedwhen you have more exercise. Correct,

(59:07):
All right, Well that doesn't giveyou trust in our medical field, and
I don't know what will folks.Yeah, it just took a bodybuilder with
a business degree to figure it out. All right, Marcus, this has
been a pleasure. Thank you sir, of course. Likewise, good to
see you as always on Wednesday,two point zero Training Systems in Webster Groves.

(59:30):
Check out the app that we'll talkmore about in the coming weeks.
But I will certainly look forward toseeing how that gets improved, so me
too. Right on and follow Marcuson Instagram at sidel Underscore Nutrition. Appreciate
it all right, have a greatrest of your Wednesday, Marcus. Likewise,

(59:52):
have an enjoyable evening. We'll talkto you tomorrow right here on five nine Event