July 20, 2024 • 37 mins
Nos reunimos en este día como cada semana con unas invitadas muy especiales y un proyecto que me hace muchisima ilusión saber que existe. Hablamos de amor fuera de lo normativo y hetero sistemático, de intesidad, de sueños juveniles y más...
Podeis seguir a la revista Bollo Pop en su página de insta @bollo_dramaticas y podeis ayudar a que el proyecto siga creciendo participando en su crowdfunding.
A mi me puedes seguir como siempre en insta como @asecasdayana y @hija.deluceromundo
Podeis seguir a la revista Bollo Pop en su página de insta @bollo_dramaticas y podeis ayudar a que el proyecto siga creciendo participando en su crowdfunding.
A mi me puedes seguir como siempre en insta como @asecasdayana y @hija.deluceromundo
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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, my God of my life.
Now, let me breathe Wait.This has been a complex day and
to meet with you, this iswelcome, welcome, welcome to Lucero Mundo
' s daughter your podcast of comfievery Friday with guests and in three weeks
daily spoken to me I would loveto introduce you to the guests, guests
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that I have on this day.Start with a super, super fast anecdote
that you know I' m gettingreally tangled up. I emigrated from Bueno,
my country, from Cuba, atthe age of sixteen. It'
s worth my freshman year. Itwas in a town my frank, outside
Barcelona, the outskirts of Barcelona,and it was a complicated year. It
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was a very complex year. Ihad a hard time making friends. I
didn' t adapt to the weather, I didn' t kill myself in
the language. It has a complexsituation in a family home, very complex.
I wanted to go, I could, I can' t be locked
up and I was locked up.Horrifying. I don' t know what
I' m saying I' msaying a lot about the fact that I
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don' t want to talk aboutracism because I' m exhausted and because
I don' t feel like it. Not because black women are much more.
But it is necessary to explain thatthis year I suffered a lot,
a lot, a lot of racismand part of the racism that I suffered
was an invisible one that is notnamed, and that is the loneliness of
black women. I was very,very lonely and for a year I devoted
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myself only to reading, I onlyread. I didn' t do anything
else, I couldn' t doanything else. It was the only thing
I was doing in bed reading andI have very good memories of readings from
that time and I remember a superpop magazine was called in Cuba. These
things were gone. I read alot at Cube, but I didn'
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t read these things. These thingsdidn' t exist. They were American,
not imperialist, and they didn't go in. And I remember
they were very white magazines, veryheteronormative, very rare for a 16-
year- old girl. They weretalking to you about weird things that we
' re going in now. Ifyou want a little, then when he,
who is not today, could nothurt. I don' t know.
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He told me that these women hadsuper what it' s called pop,
chicken, pop, pop pony andforgiveness. My life lit up.
I really love going to pop.My life lit up because I thought I
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was a bisexual woman, but Ididn' t know I was a bisexual
woman, I mean, I knewI was wearing women, but I didn
' t quite understand what was goingon. They weren' t pretty,
but that' s all. Andof course I know it exists right now.
This is like thanks, thank you, Black Jisus, because the new
generations will not suffer what we havesuffered the old welcomes. How well you
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are, very happy to be here. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
who you are, because you knowthat I don' t like to
present people, so in bifr whoyou are, who is boyo pop on
an individual or collective level, asyou want well, I am Ceila,
I am an illustrator and designer,graphic and good present yourself. I'
m Sabina. I studied pedagogy I' ve spent years in the third sector.
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And well, since I met Sailastarting with these meetings we are dramatic
voyo that well, it is aproject that I have since two thousand eighteen
the Instagram page, the making vignettesabout bisexual lesbians and nothing good, because
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it occurred to me to make amagazine for us, we nosotres. And
nothing good, because when I metSabina that the theme writing is like she
' s good at it, I' m more of a modeling, designing,
drawing. And, okay, we' re comfortable. We' re
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on the subject. I have alot of questions, a lot of questions,
but, well, I' lltry to condense them and see how
this came about, because of course, I don' t know how this
was, I don' t know, well, I was born, I
did, I made a first fanzinethat was just cartoons. Thanks to my
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friend Carol, a greeting that mademe gold in the world of fanzine.
Thank you, Carol, thank youCarol. Ra and nothing, because when
I set out to make another fanzine, it is true that this subject was
like my way of escape, backfrom work in which, well, I
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was not very comfortable. What asurprise and it was like my escape route.
It was like good. Now Icome home and I put on my
dramatic buoy and I get my littletesty and I stay there drawing. So
I said come on, I'm gonna do something else, because it
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' s that I love doing it, even if it doesn' t come
to anything, but I love doingit. And from there, then,
talking to bua friends, I don' t know what I could do.
So it' s true that Ihad some vignette that I had like rebuilt
the super pop logo and rebuilt itto super Bollo. It was in the
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beginning and then nothing. Just talkingto Carol I told her about super Bollo
and she told me buah you coulddo the magazine, but for lesbians and
I total we have it totally anddeep down, it' s also like
it' s born a little bitof this from the originals that we had
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brought some very well, because goodis what you said. Yeah, it
was a magazine we read in ourteens that entertained us. Then you found
yourself with tests like this one wehave here, that you scare the guys
and that one of the answers,for example, was how you are very
independent and you are convinced that youdon' t need the guys at all
maybe you' re right, butwith your tough girl attitude and no complexes,
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you only get them away from youthat strong. Of course, and
yesterday I didn' t remember thatthey were like that. But they were
like that. And then this inone of the others that we have brought
advertising of the guy get pretty underwaterthis summer, which is how it is
that I want to be on vacationthis summer without doing anything, not worrying
that I have to look pretty andI also think that it is born a
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little bit from here from that giftthat we want to make him. This,
in fact, said it very welltowards the beginning of good is that
this magazine is a gift that Igive to my teenager. How beautiful,
how beautiful, how your adolescence was. Sure, I, uh, my
adolescence is like it was in thecloset. Obviously, I knew there was
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something that wasn' t, thatwasn' t right, yes, that
I was reading this kind of magazineand of course I wasn' t,
even if you were a straight womanin the two thousand years, like this
kind of message shouldn' t fityou, no, but I didn'
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t fit in twice, because Ididn' t want to like guys,
I didn' t want to beskinny, I mean, I wanted to
play football and of course I do, I do everything that would be independent.
And well, I totally scared thekids, of course, all right,
all three of us here would bescared, and that' s all
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right. That' s the idea. Yeah, yeah, totally. So,
well, I lived my teens pretendingit wasn' t something, because
I' d then take the postersof these magazines and put them in my
room. I had my room fullof posters, Fernando Torres. And,
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well, the kids who were Leonardode Caprito, this sheath and horror of
man goes th wey already everyone.And well, I was like, I
was constantly pretending that I liked somekind of guy that, like, I
really liked my teacher money. Ifyou' re seeing me wow, we
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' ve all had a crash withthe teachers, the teachers, it'
s true. I had one thatI really liked, the guy and he
said what a cool one. Butof course, I used to take up
the subject. It is that thisis complex, the subject of assimilated to
the subject of sexuality, to beauty. Of course they don' t teach
us to sea women. No,no, I don' t know,
we have to learn and it's like super different. Years ago a
friend said this to me because Iwas like I don' t know what
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I am I don' t knowwhat it feels like. I' m
bisexual, pure orrele and very proud, but at first you get confused,
you don' t know no andyou tell me it' s normal.
Baby, don' t eat yourhead because they don' t teach us
other women, they teach us tolove men. Not then to the woman
is we have to learn to lovethem And sometimes we confused in adolescence friendship
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with love and it was an admirationand they looked bisexual as well and to
me it happened much that maybe Ithought in good. I think it'
s that I mean, maybe itwas looking at them like the feeling was
like more of awe than I like. This girl did like she felt it
maybe for some exact guy and Ithink that' s why, for a
matter of education that I' mlike in my head she absolutely repressed until
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she was twenty- six years old, like I accepted my bisexuality and came
out of the closet all the yearsbefore, she was like no. I
don' t really look at hera lot And well, I' m
sexually attracted to her already when shewas a little more adult, because well,
I don' t know why,because she' s pretty and she
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' s not anymore, but youdidn' t question it clearly, of
course, of course, we've had internalized and external phobia and it
affects us. What else can youtell me about this magazine? I mean,
I don' t know how totell myself things, which is really
fun. The truth is it's not because we made it, but
it' s super fun. Wehave brought here the number zero we call
it, which is the one thatcame out in February, because this we
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started in October of two thousand twenty- three. We started doing it and
in February we took it some bookstores, we started talking about it. We
saw that an idea he liked.And well, now we' re in
the middle of crout fanding campaign isenough to be able to pull out the
next four numbers. So this oneis, it' s a little bit
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nicer. More generally, it hasmoments of pop culture test what kind of
dyke you are always from humor,especially. But in the next one we
have prepared, as interviews with womenwho are undertaking projects, opinion articles.
There is an article, for example, about why this fame that lesbians or
bisexuals are good safics. We're intense. Yes, on the second
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date, you take your bags,they change Mayvanza, a lot, it
' s true, you see it' s true. It' s more
fame happens, yes, yes,yes, but I think it' s
that which is the same more fame, because what you see best in networks
or in the media of this saficintensity. It' s good, because
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that two women who on the seconddate are already living together, but surely
there are a lot that have beenseven years and still don' t live
together or have no plans to doso. Of course, it' s
totally valid. But maybe it's not what you see so much,
because you don' t think somuch about it. Yeah, the same.
In the end, I think it' s finding the person who'
s clear about your very moment oflife. Not because to see me before
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being with her, it was intenseand fast. Yeah, and he moved
me home. So, come plusa twenty- four hand. The mute
has gotten into my tasting to hatecatches, a little bit everything. But,
I mean, it was quick.We live together, well, super,
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fast and everything. But of coursebefore her, there were my other
couples who didn' t. Thenof course, well, to me,
in the end it' s likein all the stories, there' s
no people you connect super fast andyou want to get married tomorrow, and
there are other people who don't so much. But, well,
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it came to mind. You've said a lot of interesting things.
It came to mind right now.The thing is that the other one who
' s listening to a podcat whowas talking about that there' s a
lot of talk about sexuality. Ilove to talk about sexuality, it freaks
me out, they struate me.It' s very necessary to sing auntie
you see that I like very muchto disturb people. It' s also
very hobbyous. I mean, Ihad a good time and above all,
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that education not in every way.And it' s true that I was
thinking about it. And oysters,so, these women are right. There
' s a lot of talk aboutsexuality, but there' s no love.
There' s like a lot oftaboo and it' s amazing to
talk about love. Imagine if thereis taboo to talk about heteronormative love,
as it is in other different waysof wanting out of the norm. And
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there are a lot of people whoare very, very intense. Long live
the intensity from here is good,and the intensity, please, don'
t repress yourself anymore, but that' s what I think too. So
macro and tell me if I'm wrong That too can' t be
a way as well as not taboo, but perhaps delegitimizing lesbian women when they
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say they are very intense, isalso a way of estimating and boxing them.
And to women in general, ofcourse, yes, yes, to
women of course, of course,absolutely yes. Yeah. In fact,
well this is also a conversation thatyou seem to me that is actually intense
when it occurs, because it isthat not all aunts are intense and nothing
happens. It doesn' t mattereither, but it gives me the feeling
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that it is. We' vealways had the fame of women being the
intense ones in a heterosexual couple,of being the ones who want to get
married, the ones who have togo after the boyfriend to get married.
The ones who have to go backto have children, to live together.
Such gives me the feeling that it' s the same. It is also
a matter of education, because fromlittle ones we see the films, we
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read the books in which the princessloves her prince and the story with happy
ending is when they finally marry themen of policy. It' s like
good men haven' t been giventhis education. Then it gives me the
feeling that there is also as aneducation that women already do. We have
grown up with messages like looking forthat yes, that love, the opium
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of women in general, totally clearof the way to always control ourselves through
love and before this of intensity Ilove. I used to be hysterical,
I' ve been thinking a lot, man. It used to be hysteria
and now it' s intensity.They value us with this too. I
mean, and then I start tothink about what intensity is, because we,
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for example, and that' salso a generalization, there are women
who don' t do, don' t go through this process, but
we usually connect more with emotions becausethey don' t have it more allowed
and they' re not allowed toconnect with emotions. Not then what is
intensity. That you know what theconcept of intensity is for me right now,
just like they reflect it, thatit' s super chased. People
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repress themselves a lot so they don' t call him intense and it'
s like esteem it. Another dayI look at a person and he took
a lot of offense and it's, you know, it' s
like a label that you know whatI mean because I go but I play
several topics. But now it's like you' re trying something wrong.
People are very repressed, not thenwhat is the intensity for you I
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am bad. I know. Forme, at least as I live it
is so, I don' tknow if of course, I can'
t make a definition of intensity usingthe word intensity, but for me it
' s like I' ve livedit. I, in my personal case
is to accept the emotions, thatI feel hugging them, so to speak
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I like to say this very much. Embrace the feeling, the emotion and
just flow with it. And ifthat emotion told me, because that'
s two days after I met herand said that' s it, I
know she' s her and I' m going to take the brushes now.
I' m going to leave itthere and embrace it and also see
that you receive, for your part, the clear assumption, I, in
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my case it is true that Ihave received a lot of this stigma is
that you' re super intense thatand in the end is that I don
' t know how to define wellthat it' s intensity. I,
in my case, do relate toit that it should not be so,
but with having a hard time withhim God, it should not be so.
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But it' s already my experienceand my traumitans. But well,
it' s like this super romanticlove thing that leaves you out. For
me, that' s intensity,that' s misdefined, uh, but
it' s like good, it' s like, yeah, because actually,
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intensity can be something very intense,it can be something good or something
bad. But it' s truethat because of my experience, when I
' ve been told, it's that you' re too intense it
' s like I think that whatit relates to a lot of people is
that you' re very dependent,you' re very much aware that it
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doesn' t really have anything todo with it because, I mean,
I can love intensely, that Ilove someone very much. For me the
intensity is that, it' sthe excess of or much, a lot
of quantity, and that' swhen we say that someone is very intense,
is that you love me too muchand I' m not at that
point. Okay then I go backto before the end is finding the person
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who has the same intensity or wholoves you with all the layers you have,
because yes too. But of course, it' s true that you
always look for a person who isin your own mood, because, obviously,
if I have more intensity than youdo in speaking everything romantically. Sure,
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that' s when the balance isunbalanced. I, who am libra,
I ascend, understand you a humity. I understand when I see that
the balance is unbalanced. Sometimes whenI like fair things. Sure, maybe
I am, I' m herewith intensity. I need the other person
to be at the same point.This comes to mind the phrase. And
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it' s important. Love ischosen women, love is told and totally.
Totally, that is to say,we have been sold the methods of
romantic, normative love that love isborn not shitty love and must be chosen.
It' s important because if it' s not dangerous, you know,
a few years ago I was atBlack Barcelona, a week ago I
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picked up a festival of black peopleand they were presenting a book. I
be a writer and I for along time that articles on the subject in
you cluster blablablab and I didn't want to write about it anymore.
I no longer want to, andI ask one of the editors who was
in the room how I could accessspaces to edit my own creations poetry realism
magic, which is what moves me, which is what I like, not
short stories, etcetera. And asilence in the lethal room of such because
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none of them could answer me.And all I can tell you is that
you have to believe it, becauseunfortunately, there are no spaces that accommodate
readings that go beyond what you're supposed to write. Then. My
question is for people who may hearyou have some project, some idea,
and right now you' re likeme, maybe you' ve questioned it
and you don' t have theanswer. How can we do if I,
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for example, have a project outof what it is supposed to be,
out of what I' m supposedto create, I don' t
know if I explain how I couldaccess spaces that take me. Help me
edit modeling and get my project going. I mean, how your experience with
this has been. I' vebeen very scavenger. Well, in this
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case, we all do. Butyes, of course, I mean,
I already model everything or wait amoment, but wait for the House.
I mean, quality I don't know. If it looks like an
arun song with the clips and I' m capable. The quality is very
good aunt, that is how,but is that she is a Catalan wingman
says what to happen. Yeah,yeah, yeah, I mean, the
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quality is really good, but printingor stuff like that, printing looks.
I' m going to advertise.Sure, yeah, the idea is mos
printers. All right, it's all printed in there, all right.
The quality is very, very good. Of course, there are people
who want to create and not.The reality is that we, the people
who are out of the norm,out of the normative in every way,
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have to create in our reality.Then people who want to undertake or create
or do such beautiful projects. Lemurewas what it was called as lemon in
English. That is there you haveand in the process of creation you also
say it at home. Yeah,yeah, yeah. All of me is
now a computer. Everything I'm freaking out that I' m unable
to edit a video with this answer. A video. One video is others
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we are starting the rials and thefinal tiktoks two millennials. A roll is
a roll and you don' tget in. The first one we made
lasts seven seconds and we spent threehours to see it. And besides,
when we raise it, it's like an airplane mode. I'
m cool. I want to seethat the first hour of when you go
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up something is the most important,it' s the one we generate engagement.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, but, well, sure,
the answer to your question was becausewe don' t. But hey,
there' s something coming out ofhere, too. I mean oyster.
Yeah, we' re already morethan one we' ve detected, which
looks like when tutch wants you outof line, you have to find a
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way to do it, and youhave to do it on your own.
Well, here is also born anopportunity to create community. Not that people
want to undertake something that, maybe, they don' t have editing options,
layout of me that I know aboutwriting. Whatever. Well, so
far we' ve come here andyou know where to find us how we
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one day need video editing we finda person who' s a crack or
on social media. Also good andhere does not community. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, the cool thing now thatwe' ve started this is that
we' ve done good because alittle networking and the cool thing is that.
What I like most about this isbeing able to collaborate with other people
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and that and create a community.I love alliances, this, this is
activism for hard, artivism, foractivism. I love it I have now
that you have said about the themeof the Lobes mentioned at the beginning the
theme that Jastin came out of livingof the time, because they were all
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the same and so posing and cameout the test. There was a lot
of testing and I was doing everythingand freaking out because I didn' t
understand anything. Nothing, nothing,nothing. They were super confusing. You
' re a pop boy, too. Yeah, yeah, we got what
kind of dyke you are I loveit. We have one there to read
if you see it He hears it, because I' m still a puller
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and I don' t know.You know the nonsense because lately I'
m on a show with men.Of course I' m telling you this.
In the end it is a magazinecalled voyo pop, but suitable for
all adriad audiences. He likes tosee also saffic pop did not look well
hahahaha. Sure, we' regonna make a pontoon, but I mean
these co- workers of mine havedone it and there' s one that
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came out that was dyke to goodI say okay. Let' s do
it. Let' s do thisto him too. How you define your
hair style, long and loose shortand practical, elegant and simple bop cut
or always picked up, because comfortcomes first. I don' t know
if I said it. I thinkhe' s gone too fast. It
has not been understood what happens thatI have stayed there clearly waiting for the
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long and loose era of short isascended in pound. I need some but
aunty. I see the braids,I' m braided with the afro,
I mean, I guess I'd be the first. Not long and
loose? Yes or I have alwayspicked up, because comfort the first is
not the unscrewed stars, always unscrewed, well, long and snto I love
to bother in every way, longand loose. That' s what a
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garment is. There can be nolack in your wardrobe of loose shirts and
hiking sports, see elegant c blazersshirts and skirt dress sporty and comfortable clothes.
No I' ve always dressed.I' ve always dressed. Yeah.
Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Okay,
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you got a dwarf. Woman's already pasted. It is or where
faa Yes, what is your accessory. Favorite ah a hair ribbon B cap
or hat C earrings or a smarWars. I think it' s the
earrings. It wasn' t thec I know. I' m keeping
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saying yes and c how I'm going, as I' m going
to go to my four God,how would you describe your daily makeup alone,
sun cream and ready for action,see subtle touches, rhymel and the
track to the soft. C agood skinker with vibrant eyeliner and lips or
d without makeup. No love,I' m make- up forever It
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doesn' t sting my face.Five with whom you identify more with Eli
de las tofas, with chain thenWord, with Carol de Carol the film
or with Chiana the Warrior Princess.I' m a bad girl I'
d be a bad dyke. Idon' t know who that is.
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I think she' ll be theone who' s gonna be out there
squealing shit. If he' sgot a badass who shits your dinner in
metal, he' s got alot of crayons. If this would be
me, it is indeed appendicem,which is good for me for so many
people in your free time. Youprefer to go to the mountain, go
to a concert, enjoy the nightscene at various cultural events or practice sports.
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I stay home, but as inthis option, I pay a lot
of rent and I like my laidhouse. I' m a cantamic,
not after I' m 30 athome, but as it is, I
' d say the mountain is coming. What outdoor activity excites you the most,
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climbing mountains and enjoying the view fromthe Picnic peak in the park with
friends, cycling around the city oralong the coast, or running swimming or
any active sport. Bike, bike. I love it, I love that
development. Yeah, yeah, bikecome how you define yourself at a party.
It is the person who chooses theperfect playlist and enjoys relaxed conversations.
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See the one that organizes fun gamesand takes the energy to the next level.
C which stands out with elegance,enjoying the company and the good conversation
or the one that actively participates indances and activities. Here we should have
added one and put if there isa cat, the one with the cat
and it is. It' shappened, I' m lost. I
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don' t know. I don' t think I' m saying I
like being home for God' ssake and when I go out I don
' t know. I' msuper antisocial. The d was the one
who talks a lot when we tookit practically in dances and activities. Yeah,
well, for saying something, comeon. What a musical event you
prefer a good festival. The concertof your favorite singing group a reggaeton party
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to keep dancing a class of bodycomba Baby, reggaeton, reggaeton to dead,
always permeating, always under the classand the last one you have ever
tried juggling. Oh, yeah,I' m quite a juggler. I
don' t prefer more relaxed activities. I' ve tried, but it
' s not my thing or not, although I wouldn' t mind trying
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out my question. I mean,the skirt. What do they have to
do with juggling dolons? It's finally been stuffed. It hasn'
t been stuffed. This does makesense what we' re doing with pollerism
and malavares. I don' tknow if that' s good and a
little bit we' ve also pulleda lot of topics, uh also a
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little bit like that there' slike irony of a juggling topic is concrete.
I don' t know the truth. In fact, it' s
a topic that we take, it' s a misuse of tes Vale,
but why do you check for yourselfto buy the magazine? Oh yeah,
this woman is an entrepreneur, butlet' s go. I was understanding
here how cute. I love whatyou' re from Bollera Seria. In
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the end nothing, several have done, some I have not done and I
am not interested. The truth is, I haven' t got a stick,
but look, I' m goingto tell you and I' m
going to put in an eggplant thatyou shit, because there are still people
that this bothers you, but Ihave respect for butterflies, because once I
read that butterflies in wars sucked theblood of the one you see that in
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Angola, in some African country,they came to the fields and they had
like a bunch of dead and allcovered in butterflies and they said what of
fuck and they realized that butterflies thebiggest food of them is blood. So,
I, from that day on,have panicked the eyes of rabbits,
because they' re little and blackand dark. And there' s something
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I don' t like. There' s something wrong there, I mean,
I' m neurotic. Always slowin all episodes and pampering, pampering,
circus in general. There' ssomething wrong with these people. They
' re people who were going tobe bad, there' s something shady,
people who do magic, mimos,clowns. To me they' re
twisted people and going was going tobe meaner. But there' s something
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wrong, there' s something wrong, I mean, I don' t
like it, I don' tlike it. The magic is, no,
I don' t know, Idon' t juggle. Yeah,
it' s just something to me, because I don' t like it
either that I did or I didn' t just see it, but,
well, maybe I also do thingsthat other people most likely you composed most
likely. You don' t stopby. You' ve been keeping track
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not if you' ve won elevenole like me and what it would be
to hear out fem ay what onall that we all want that good,
for example, in one you saidthat you without makeup and first sentence of
the answer love makeup and fashion whathorror. No. No, no,
no, no, no, solook not good, but not that it
' s okay, it' sfine, because maybe not, it didn
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' t count well. Hey,we' re not dealing with that.
We' re keeping this clear.And that, besides that well, that
it is a test to entertain itselfis jealous, especially for young people,
that we all have our time.This is very important because I once made
the serious mistake was unintentionally taking outa friend. I regret it so much,
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so much I love you so muchand I regret it so much inadvertently.
I didn' t know he wasn' t out. We saw an
event. We are recording a videoclip I know of the collective bla blaus
plaush Art good stereotype general of thevideo clips of people of the collective.
No, and four or five dayslater we met in my neighborhood. I
was going with the father and I' m telling him love that the video
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came out that we went out andmade me like this and clear. I
was so excited to see him andtell him that I had been clicked.
I don' t know what else. I went out super pretty. All
this was beautiful for you, andthe father looked at me so hard.
Well, Aneyway, I took itout of the closet, without knowing I
regret it so much, and it' s like one of those moments that
shouldn' t be done. ThenI don' t know how to get
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anyone out of the closet. Weall do our processes, we all know
when we have to go out andwhen we don' t. But this
is important for young people aged fifteen, sixteen, who seem not, because
we say we have advanced a lot. Lies, lies, There are many
people who are still repressed, whofeel fear, who are in very violent
environments, in spaces that are notsafe, if they can' t get
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out for whatever, or don't want because their process, their history,
and this may be able to thismagazine, or maybe it can help
you find out who it is orknow who it is. Then I find
it beautiful honestly, thank you,thank you. I really do where we
can find you. Besides you're going to leave me a clear yes,
clear to me because I' mhitting things that are giving me away.
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You can paste the central poster toota telo, courteous garcía jump we
have it at home. Yeah,that' s why we have it on
for when we work. It's like strength or we do love you,
so we are. She' swonderful. Yes, it has like
a very good click where we canfind you, where people can read you,
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where they can follow you and messagesyou want to leave. Well,
for the moment in instagram I'm going bass script dramatics and in Tiktok,
but well, in Tiktok k tonkyou guys a laugh. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, and then well, already on Instagram and Tiktok. In
both we have towards Berkami' spage, which we also say is VKM
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and s Barra I go pop andthere croutpanding is until the 5th of August.
It seems to me if we reachthe marked economic objective that you will
see on the page we will distributethe magazine. Otherwise, we' ll
have to look another way. Wewill always carry, we will always find
the universe, against the way always. Finally, if you want what message
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you want to leave your teen self, if I can give you a time
machine, imagine that I know alittle card, that we should do it,
that is the sort from here isI say it three years ago and
I read the other day it wasas if I was telling you how intense
it was to write a letter toyour self about me what I know and
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then from here, ten fifteen yearsago, open it and you will find
very interesting things. If you canspeak to your self of fifteen, sixteen,
fourteen years, what will you tellhim now, what message will you
leave him. I could do apodcast and or ball talking to me and
I hurt. It' s anexercise I did in therapy, but good.
That' s what I' dsay I' d say it'
s okay. That' s it. It' s okay. Like you
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' re like this, it's perfect. Oh, that' s
nice. Yeah, me a littlebit the same. I was a teenager
with a lot of anxiety about everythingI was afraid of everything, everything was
a challenge, and I still tookit out and it would be like a
girl. You' re worth it, you' re worth a lot.
You don' t see it yet, but you' ll see it and
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the people around you see it sobe calm, that everything will come out,
how it should come out, howbeautiful I love it, I love
it. I' m going tocry from the I' m coming out
of the rules. I love hownice it is for another podcast. Hey,
if you don' t want toinvite another day to talk about the
rule, I think one,'cause I just love the rules. Yeah,
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yeah, well, look, wedo the same thing I did with
the ELLI and it' s come. He' s recorded like four episodes,
I mean, I' m gonnamake a super nice clip, I
' ll try. I' mgonna miss the networks and if it comes
in I don' t know xvisualizations. I' m not gonna freak
out much Come on. These womencome back anyway if you don' t
come too. Yeah, yeah,yeah, I love it so much.
I love it. Yeah, yeah, well, thank you so much for
coming. Me. I' mso happy. Really, if a dream
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I' m going to read itto myself today, I' m going
to reread it and I' mgoing to keep it there in my box
that I have a box of things. I' m only in cancer.
I keep everything to my teenage self. I' d tell Kari we'
ve done it, we' vegot a podcast. I want very much
the oars from Chao coming Friday,thank you very much. Oh, that
' s cool, that' sfunny.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, my God of my life.
Now, let me breathe Wait.This has been a complex day and
to meet with you, this iswelcome, welcome, welcome to Lucero Mundo
' s daughter your podcast of comfievery Friday with guests and in three weeks
daily spoken to me I would loveto introduce you to the guests, guests
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that I have on this day.Start with a super, super fast anecdote
that you know I' m gettingreally tangled up. I emigrated from Bueno,
my country, from Cuba, atthe age of sixteen. It'
s worth my freshman year. Itwas in a town my frank, outside
Barcelona, the outskirts of Barcelona,and it was a complicated year. It
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was a very complex year. Ihad a hard time making friends. I
didn' t adapt to the weather, I didn' t kill myself in
the language. It has a complexsituation in a family home, very complex.
I wanted to go, I could, I can' t be locked
up and I was locked up.Horrifying. I don' t know what
I' m saying I' msaying a lot about the fact that I
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don' t want to talk aboutracism because I' m exhausted and because
I don' t feel like it. Not because black women are much more.
But it is necessary to explain thatthis year I suffered a lot,
a lot, a lot of racismand part of the racism that I suffered
was an invisible one that is notnamed, and that is the loneliness of
black women. I was very,very lonely and for a year I devoted
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myself only to reading, I onlyread. I didn' t do anything
else, I couldn' t doanything else. It was the only thing
I was doing in bed reading andI have very good memories of readings from
that time and I remember a superpop magazine was called in Cuba. These
things were gone. I read alot at Cube, but I didn'
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t read these things. These thingsdidn' t exist. They were American,
not imperialist, and they didn't go in. And I remember
they were very white magazines, veryheteronormative, very rare for a 16-
year- old girl. They weretalking to you about weird things that we
' re going in now. Ifyou want a little, then when he,
who is not today, could nothurt. I don' t know.
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He told me that these women hadsuper what it' s called pop,
chicken, pop, pop pony andforgiveness. My life lit up.
I really love going to pop.My life lit up because I thought I
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was a bisexual woman, but Ididn' t know I was a bisexual
woman, I mean, I knewI was wearing women, but I didn
' t quite understand what was goingon. They weren' t pretty,
but that' s all. Andof course I know it exists right now.
This is like thanks, thank you, Black Jisus, because the new
generations will not suffer what we havesuffered the old welcomes. How well you
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are, very happy to be here. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
who you are, because you knowthat I don' t like to
present people, so in bifr whoyou are, who is boyo pop on
an individual or collective level, asyou want well, I am Ceila,
I am an illustrator and designer,graphic and good present yourself. I'
m Sabina. I studied pedagogy I' ve spent years in the third sector.
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And well, since I met Sailastarting with these meetings we are dramatic
voyo that well, it is aproject that I have since two thousand eighteen
the Instagram page, the making vignettesabout bisexual lesbians and nothing good, because
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it occurred to me to make amagazine for us, we nosotres. And
nothing good, because when I metSabina that the theme writing is like she
' s good at it, I' m more of a modeling, designing,
drawing. And, okay, we' re comfortable. We' re
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on the subject. I have alot of questions, a lot of questions,
but, well, I' lltry to condense them and see how
this came about, because of course, I don' t know how this
was, I don' t know, well, I was born, I
did, I made a first fanzinethat was just cartoons. Thanks to my
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friend Carol, a greeting that mademe gold in the world of fanzine.
Thank you, Carol, thank youCarol. Ra and nothing, because when
I set out to make another fanzine, it is true that this subject was
like my way of escape, backfrom work in which, well, I
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was not very comfortable. What asurprise and it was like my escape route.
It was like good. Now Icome home and I put on my
dramatic buoy and I get my littletesty and I stay there drawing. So
I said come on, I'm gonna do something else, because it
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' s that I love doing it, even if it doesn' t come
to anything, but I love doingit. And from there, then,
talking to bua friends, I don' t know what I could do.
So it' s true that Ihad some vignette that I had like rebuilt
the super pop logo and rebuilt itto super Bollo. It was in the
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beginning and then nothing. Just talkingto Carol I told her about super Bollo
and she told me buah you coulddo the magazine, but for lesbians and
I total we have it totally anddeep down, it' s also like
it' s born a little bitof this from the originals that we had
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brought some very well, because goodis what you said. Yeah, it
was a magazine we read in ourteens that entertained us. Then you found
yourself with tests like this one wehave here, that you scare the guys
and that one of the answers,for example, was how you are very
independent and you are convinced that youdon' t need the guys at all
maybe you' re right, butwith your tough girl attitude and no complexes,
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you only get them away from youthat strong. Of course, and
yesterday I didn' t remember thatthey were like that. But they were
like that. And then this inone of the others that we have brought
advertising of the guy get pretty underwaterthis summer, which is how it is
that I want to be on vacationthis summer without doing anything, not worrying
that I have to look pretty andI also think that it is born a
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little bit from here from that giftthat we want to make him. This,
in fact, said it very welltowards the beginning of good is that
this magazine is a gift that Igive to my teenager. How beautiful,
how beautiful, how your adolescence was. Sure, I, uh, my
adolescence is like it was in thecloset. Obviously, I knew there was
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something that wasn' t, thatwasn' t right, yes, that
I was reading this kind of magazineand of course I wasn' t,
even if you were a straight womanin the two thousand years, like this
kind of message shouldn' t fityou, no, but I didn'
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t fit in twice, because Ididn' t want to like guys,
I didn' t want to beskinny, I mean, I wanted to
play football and of course I do, I do everything that would be independent.
And well, I totally scared thekids, of course, all right,
all three of us here would bescared, and that' s all
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right. That' s the idea. Yeah, yeah, totally. So,
well, I lived my teens pretendingit wasn' t something, because
I' d then take the postersof these magazines and put them in my
room. I had my room fullof posters, Fernando Torres. And,
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well, the kids who were Leonardode Caprito, this sheath and horror of
man goes th wey already everyone.And well, I was like, I
was constantly pretending that I liked somekind of guy that, like, I
really liked my teacher money. Ifyou' re seeing me wow, we
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' ve all had a crash withthe teachers, the teachers, it'
s true. I had one thatI really liked, the guy and he
said what a cool one. Butof course, I used to take up
the subject. It is that thisis complex, the subject of assimilated to
the subject of sexuality, to beauty. Of course they don' t teach
us to sea women. No,no, I don' t know,
we have to learn and it's like super different. Years ago a
friend said this to me because Iwas like I don' t know what
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I am I don' t knowwhat it feels like. I' m
bisexual, pure orrele and very proud, but at first you get confused,
you don' t know no andyou tell me it' s normal.
Baby, don' t eat yourhead because they don' t teach us
other women, they teach us tolove men. Not then to the woman
is we have to learn to lovethem And sometimes we confused in adolescence friendship
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with love and it was an admirationand they looked bisexual as well and to
me it happened much that maybe Ithought in good. I think it'
s that I mean, maybe itwas looking at them like the feeling was
like more of awe than I like. This girl did like she felt it
maybe for some exact guy and Ithink that' s why, for a
matter of education that I' mlike in my head she absolutely repressed until
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she was twenty- six years old, like I accepted my bisexuality and came
out of the closet all the yearsbefore, she was like no. I
don' t really look at hera lot And well, I' m
sexually attracted to her already when shewas a little more adult, because well,
I don' t know why,because she' s pretty and she
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' s not anymore, but youdidn' t question it clearly, of
course, of course, we've had internalized and external phobia and it
affects us. What else can youtell me about this magazine? I mean,
I don' t know how totell myself things, which is really
fun. The truth is it's not because we made it, but
it' s super fun. Wehave brought here the number zero we call
it, which is the one thatcame out in February, because this we
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started in October of two thousand twenty- three. We started doing it and
in February we took it some bookstores, we started talking about it. We
saw that an idea he liked.And well, now we' re in
the middle of crout fanding campaign isenough to be able to pull out the
next four numbers. So this oneis, it' s a little bit
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nicer. More generally, it hasmoments of pop culture test what kind of
dyke you are always from humor,especially. But in the next one we
have prepared, as interviews with womenwho are undertaking projects, opinion articles.
There is an article, for example, about why this fame that lesbians or
bisexuals are good safics. We're intense. Yes, on the second
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date, you take your bags,they change Mayvanza, a lot, it
' s true, you see it' s true. It' s more
fame happens, yes, yes,yes, but I think it' s
that which is the same more fame, because what you see best in networks
or in the media of this saficintensity. It' s good, because
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that two women who on the seconddate are already living together, but surely
there are a lot that have beenseven years and still don' t live
together or have no plans to doso. Of course, it' s
totally valid. But maybe it's not what you see so much,
because you don' t think somuch about it. Yeah, the same.
In the end, I think it' s finding the person who'
s clear about your very moment oflife. Not because to see me before
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being with her, it was intenseand fast. Yeah, and he moved
me home. So, come plusa twenty- four hand. The mute
has gotten into my tasting to hatecatches, a little bit everything. But,
I mean, it was quick.We live together, well, super,
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fast and everything. But of coursebefore her, there were my other
couples who didn' t. Thenof course, well, to me,
in the end it' s likein all the stories, there' s
no people you connect super fast andyou want to get married tomorrow, and
there are other people who don't so much. But, well,
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it came to mind. You've said a lot of interesting things.
It came to mind right now.The thing is that the other one who
' s listening to a podcat whowas talking about that there' s a
lot of talk about sexuality. Ilove to talk about sexuality, it freaks
me out, they struate me.It' s very necessary to sing auntie
you see that I like very muchto disturb people. It' s also
very hobbyous. I mean, Ihad a good time and above all,
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that education not in every way.And it' s true that I was
thinking about it. And oysters,so, these women are right. There
' s a lot of talk aboutsexuality, but there' s no love.
There' s like a lot oftaboo and it' s amazing to
talk about love. Imagine if thereis taboo to talk about heteronormative love,
as it is in other different waysof wanting out of the norm. And
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there are a lot of people whoare very, very intense. Long live
the intensity from here is good,and the intensity, please, don'
t repress yourself anymore, but that' s what I think too. So
macro and tell me if I'm wrong That too can' t be
a way as well as not taboo, but perhaps delegitimizing lesbian women when they
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say they are very intense, isalso a way of estimating and boxing them.
And to women in general, ofcourse, yes, yes, to
women of course, of course,absolutely yes. Yeah. In fact,
well this is also a conversation thatyou seem to me that is actually intense
when it occurs, because it isthat not all aunts are intense and nothing
happens. It doesn' t mattereither, but it gives me the feeling
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that it is. We' vealways had the fame of women being the
intense ones in a heterosexual couple,of being the ones who want to get
married, the ones who have togo after the boyfriend to get married.
The ones who have to go backto have children, to live together.
Such gives me the feeling that it' s the same. It is also
a matter of education, because fromlittle ones we see the films, we
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read the books in which the princessloves her prince and the story with happy
ending is when they finally marry themen of policy. It' s like
good men haven' t been giventhis education. Then it gives me the
feeling that there is also as aneducation that women already do. We have
grown up with messages like looking forthat yes, that love, the opium
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of women in general, totally clearof the way to always control ourselves through
love and before this of intensity Ilove. I used to be hysterical,
I' ve been thinking a lot, man. It used to be hysteria
and now it' s intensity.They value us with this too. I
mean, and then I start tothink about what intensity is, because we,
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for example, and that' salso a generalization, there are women
who don' t do, don' t go through this process, but
we usually connect more with emotions becausethey don' t have it more allowed
and they' re not allowed toconnect with emotions. Not then what is
intensity. That you know what theconcept of intensity is for me right now,
just like they reflect it, thatit' s super chased. People
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repress themselves a lot so they don' t call him intense and it'
s like esteem it. Another dayI look at a person and he took
a lot of offense and it's, you know, it' s
like a label that you know whatI mean because I go but I play
several topics. But now it's like you' re trying something wrong.
People are very repressed, not thenwhat is the intensity for you I
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am bad. I know. Forme, at least as I live it
is so, I don' tknow if of course, I can'
t make a definition of intensity usingthe word intensity, but for me it
' s like I' ve livedit. I, in my personal case
is to accept the emotions, thatI feel hugging them, so to speak
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I like to say this very much. Embrace the feeling, the emotion and
just flow with it. And ifthat emotion told me, because that'
s two days after I met herand said that' s it, I
know she' s her and I' m going to take the brushes now.
I' m going to leave itthere and embrace it and also see
that you receive, for your part, the clear assumption, I, in
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my case it is true that Ihave received a lot of this stigma is
that you' re super intense thatand in the end is that I don
' t know how to define wellthat it' s intensity. I,
in my case, do relate toit that it should not be so,
but with having a hard time withhim God, it should not be so.
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But it' s already my experienceand my traumitans. But well,
it' s like this super romanticlove thing that leaves you out. For
me, that' s intensity,that' s misdefined, uh, but
it' s like good, it' s like, yeah, because actually,
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intensity can be something very intense,it can be something good or something
bad. But it' s truethat because of my experience, when I
' ve been told, it's that you' re too intense it
' s like I think that whatit relates to a lot of people is
that you' re very dependent,you' re very much aware that it
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doesn' t really have anything todo with it because, I mean,
I can love intensely, that Ilove someone very much. For me the
intensity is that, it' sthe excess of or much, a lot
of quantity, and that' swhen we say that someone is very intense,
is that you love me too muchand I' m not at that
point. Okay then I go backto before the end is finding the person
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who has the same intensity or wholoves you with all the layers you have,
because yes too. But of course, it' s true that you
always look for a person who isin your own mood, because, obviously,
if I have more intensity than youdo in speaking everything romantically. Sure,
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that' s when the balance isunbalanced. I, who am libra,
I ascend, understand you a humity. I understand when I see that
the balance is unbalanced. Sometimes whenI like fair things. Sure, maybe
I am, I' m herewith intensity. I need the other person
to be at the same point.This comes to mind the phrase. And
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it' s important. Love ischosen women, love is told and totally.
Totally, that is to say,we have been sold the methods of
romantic, normative love that love isborn not shitty love and must be chosen.
It' s important because if it' s not dangerous, you know,
a few years ago I was atBlack Barcelona, a week ago I
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picked up a festival of black peopleand they were presenting a book. I
be a writer and I for along time that articles on the subject in
you cluster blablablab and I didn't want to write about it anymore.
I no longer want to, andI ask one of the editors who was
in the room how I could accessspaces to edit my own creations poetry realism
magic, which is what moves me, which is what I like, not
short stories, etcetera. And asilence in the lethal room of such because
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none of them could answer me.And all I can tell you is that
you have to believe it, becauseunfortunately, there are no spaces that accommodate
readings that go beyond what you're supposed to write. Then. My
question is for people who may hearyou have some project, some idea,
and right now you' re likeme, maybe you' ve questioned it
and you don' t have theanswer. How can we do if I,
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for example, have a project outof what it is supposed to be,
out of what I' m supposedto create, I don' t
know if I explain how I couldaccess spaces that take me. Help me
edit modeling and get my project going. I mean, how your experience with
this has been. I' vebeen very scavenger. Well, in this
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case, we all do. Butyes, of course, I mean,
I already model everything or wait amoment, but wait for the House.
I mean, quality I don't know. If it looks like an
arun song with the clips and I' m capable. The quality is very
good aunt, that is how,but is that she is a Catalan wingman
says what to happen. Yeah,yeah, yeah, I mean, the
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quality is really good, but printingor stuff like that, printing looks.
I' m going to advertise.Sure, yeah, the idea is mos
printers. All right, it's all printed in there, all right.
The quality is very, very good. Of course, there are people
who want to create and not.The reality is that we, the people
who are out of the norm,out of the normative in every way,
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have to create in our reality.Then people who want to undertake or create
or do such beautiful projects. Lemurewas what it was called as lemon in
English. That is there you haveand in the process of creation you also
say it at home. Yeah,yeah, yeah. All of me is
now a computer. Everything I'm freaking out that I' m unable
to edit a video with this answer. A video. One video is others
(22:00):
we are starting the rials and thefinal tiktoks two millennials. A roll is
a roll and you don' tget in. The first one we made
lasts seven seconds and we spent threehours to see it. And besides,
when we raise it, it's like an airplane mode. I'
m cool. I want to seethat the first hour of when you go
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up something is the most important,it' s the one we generate engagement.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, but, well, sure,
the answer to your question was becausewe don' t. But hey,
there' s something coming out ofhere, too. I mean oyster.
Yeah, we' re already morethan one we' ve detected, which
looks like when tutch wants you outof line, you have to find a
(22:45):
way to do it, and youhave to do it on your own.
Well, here is also born anopportunity to create community. Not that people
want to undertake something that, maybe, they don' t have editing options,
layout of me that I know aboutwriting. Whatever. Well, so
far we' ve come here andyou know where to find us how we
(23:06):
one day need video editing we finda person who' s a crack or
on social media. Also good andhere does not community. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, the cool thing now thatwe' ve started this is that
we' ve done good because alittle networking and the cool thing is that.
What I like most about this isbeing able to collaborate with other people
(23:30):
and that and create a community.I love alliances, this, this is
activism for hard, artivism, foractivism. I love it I have now
that you have said about the themeof the Lobes mentioned at the beginning the
theme that Jastin came out of livingof the time, because they were all
(23:52):
the same and so posing and cameout the test. There was a lot
of testing and I was doing everythingand freaking out because I didn' t
understand anything. Nothing, nothing,nothing. They were super confusing. You
' re a pop boy, too. Yeah, yeah, we got what
kind of dyke you are I loveit. We have one there to read
if you see it He hears it, because I' m still a puller
(24:17):
and I don' t know.You know the nonsense because lately I'
m on a show with men.Of course I' m telling you this.
In the end it is a magazinecalled voyo pop, but suitable for
all adriad audiences. He likes tosee also saffic pop did not look well
hahahaha. Sure, we' regonna make a pontoon, but I mean
these co- workers of mine havedone it and there' s one that
(24:40):
came out that was dyke to goodI say okay. Let' s do
it. Let' s do thisto him too. How you define your
hair style, long and loose shortand practical, elegant and simple bop cut
or always picked up, because comfortcomes first. I don' t know
if I said it. I thinkhe' s gone too fast. It
has not been understood what happens thatI have stayed there clearly waiting for the
(25:03):
long and loose era of short isascended in pound. I need some but
aunty. I see the braids,I' m braided with the afro,
I mean, I guess I'd be the first. Not long and
loose? Yes or I have alwayspicked up, because comfort the first is
not the unscrewed stars, always unscrewed, well, long and snto I love
to bother in every way, longand loose. That' s what a
(25:26):
garment is. There can be nolack in your wardrobe of loose shirts and
hiking sports, see elegant c blazersshirts and skirt dress sporty and comfortable clothes.
No I' ve always dressed.I' ve always dressed. Yeah.
Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Okay,
(25:48):
you got a dwarf. Woman's already pasted. It is or where
faa Yes, what is your accessory. Favorite ah a hair ribbon B cap
or hat C earrings or a smarWars. I think it' s the
earrings. It wasn' t thec I know. I' m keeping
(26:11):
saying yes and c how I'm going, as I' m going
to go to my four God,how would you describe your daily makeup alone,
sun cream and ready for action,see subtle touches, rhymel and the
track to the soft. C agood skinker with vibrant eyeliner and lips or
d without makeup. No love,I' m make- up forever It
(26:34):
doesn' t sting my face.Five with whom you identify more with Eli
de las tofas, with chain thenWord, with Carol de Carol the film
or with Chiana the Warrior Princess.I' m a bad girl I'
d be a bad dyke. Idon' t know who that is.
(26:55):
I think she' ll be theone who' s gonna be out there
squealing shit. If he' sgot a badass who shits your dinner in
metal, he' s got alot of crayons. If this would be
me, it is indeed appendicem,which is good for me for so many
people in your free time. Youprefer to go to the mountain, go
to a concert, enjoy the nightscene at various cultural events or practice sports.
(27:19):
I stay home, but as inthis option, I pay a lot
of rent and I like my laidhouse. I' m a cantamic,
not after I' m 30 athome, but as it is, I
' d say the mountain is coming. What outdoor activity excites you the most,
(27:41):
climbing mountains and enjoying the view fromthe Picnic peak in the park with
friends, cycling around the city oralong the coast, or running swimming or
any active sport. Bike, bike. I love it, I love that
development. Yeah, yeah, bikecome how you define yourself at a party.
It is the person who chooses theperfect playlist and enjoys relaxed conversations.
(28:03):
See the one that organizes fun gamesand takes the energy to the next level.
C which stands out with elegance,enjoying the company and the good conversation
or the one that actively participates indances and activities. Here we should have
added one and put if there isa cat, the one with the cat
and it is. It' shappened, I' m lost. I
(28:29):
don' t know. I don' t think I' m saying I
like being home for God' ssake and when I go out I don
' t know. I' msuper antisocial. The d was the one
who talks a lot when we tookit practically in dances and activities. Yeah,
well, for saying something, comeon. What a musical event you
prefer a good festival. The concertof your favorite singing group a reggaeton party
(28:53):
to keep dancing a class of bodycomba Baby, reggaeton, reggaeton to dead,
always permeating, always under the classand the last one you have ever
tried juggling. Oh, yeah,I' m quite a juggler. I
don' t prefer more relaxed activities. I' ve tried, but it
' s not my thing or not, although I wouldn' t mind trying
(29:17):
out my question. I mean,the skirt. What do they have to
do with juggling dolons? It's finally been stuffed. It hasn'
t been stuffed. This does makesense what we' re doing with pollerism
and malavares. I don' tknow if that' s good and a
little bit we' ve also pulleda lot of topics, uh also a
(29:38):
little bit like that there' slike irony of a juggling topic is concrete.
I don' t know the truth. In fact, it' s
a topic that we take, it' s a misuse of tes Vale,
but why do you check for yourselfto buy the magazine? Oh yeah,
this woman is an entrepreneur, butlet' s go. I was understanding
here how cute. I love whatyou' re from Bollera Seria. In
(30:00):
the end nothing, several have done, some I have not done and I
am not interested. The truth is, I haven' t got a stick,
but look, I' m goingto tell you and I' m
going to put in an eggplant thatyou shit, because there are still people
that this bothers you, but Ihave respect for butterflies, because once I
read that butterflies in wars sucked theblood of the one you see that in
(30:22):
Angola, in some African country,they came to the fields and they had
like a bunch of dead and allcovered in butterflies and they said what of
fuck and they realized that butterflies thebiggest food of them is blood. So,
I, from that day on,have panicked the eyes of rabbits,
because they' re little and blackand dark. And there' s something
(30:44):
I don' t like. There' s something wrong there, I mean,
I' m neurotic. Always slowin all episodes and pampering, pampering,
circus in general. There' ssomething wrong with these people. They
' re people who were going tobe bad, there' s something shady,
people who do magic, mimos,clowns. To me they' re
twisted people and going was going tobe meaner. But there' s something
(31:08):
wrong, there' s something wrong, I mean, I don' t
like it, I don' tlike it. The magic is, no,
I don' t know, Idon' t juggle. Yeah,
it' s just something to me, because I don' t like it
either that I did or I didn' t just see it, but,
well, maybe I also do thingsthat other people most likely you composed most
likely. You don' t stopby. You' ve been keeping track
(31:29):
not if you' ve won elevenole like me and what it would be
to hear out fem ay what onall that we all want that good,
for example, in one you saidthat you without makeup and first sentence of
the answer love makeup and fashion whathorror. No. No, no,
no, no, no, solook not good, but not that it
' s okay, it' sfine, because maybe not, it didn
(31:52):
' t count well. Hey,we' re not dealing with that.
We' re keeping this clear.And that, besides that well, that
it is a test to entertain itselfis jealous, especially for young people,
that we all have our time.This is very important because I once made
the serious mistake was unintentionally taking outa friend. I regret it so much,
(32:15):
so much I love you so muchand I regret it so much inadvertently.
I didn' t know he wasn' t out. We saw an
event. We are recording a videoclip I know of the collective bla blaus
plaush Art good stereotype general of thevideo clips of people of the collective.
No, and four or five dayslater we met in my neighborhood. I
was going with the father and I' m telling him love that the video
(32:39):
came out that we went out andmade me like this and clear. I
was so excited to see him andtell him that I had been clicked.
I don' t know what else. I went out super pretty. All
this was beautiful for you, andthe father looked at me so hard.
Well, Aneyway, I took itout of the closet, without knowing I
regret it so much, and it' s like one of those moments that
shouldn' t be done. ThenI don' t know how to get
(33:00):
anyone out of the closet. Weall do our processes, we all know
when we have to go out andwhen we don' t. But this
is important for young people aged fifteen, sixteen, who seem not, because
we say we have advanced a lot. Lies, lies, There are many
people who are still repressed, whofeel fear, who are in very violent
environments, in spaces that are notsafe, if they can' t get
(33:20):
out for whatever, or don't want because their process, their history,
and this may be able to thismagazine, or maybe it can help
you find out who it is orknow who it is. Then I find
it beautiful honestly, thank you,thank you. I really do where we
can find you. Besides you're going to leave me a clear yes,
clear to me because I' mhitting things that are giving me away.
(33:42):
You can paste the central poster toota telo, courteous garcía jump we
have it at home. Yeah,that' s why we have it on
for when we work. It's like strength or we do love you,
so we are. She' swonderful. Yes, it has like
a very good click where we canfind you, where people can read you,
(34:05):
where they can follow you and messagesyou want to leave. Well,
for the moment in instagram I'm going bass script dramatics and in Tiktok,
but well, in Tiktok k tonkyou guys a laugh. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, and then well, already on Instagram and Tiktok. In
both we have towards Berkami' spage, which we also say is VKM
(34:30):
and s Barra I go pop andthere croutpanding is until the 5th of August.
It seems to me if we reachthe marked economic objective that you will
see on the page we will distributethe magazine. Otherwise, we' ll
have to look another way. Wewill always carry, we will always find
the universe, against the way always. Finally, if you want what message
(34:51):
you want to leave your teen self, if I can give you a time
machine, imagine that I know alittle card, that we should do it,
that is the sort from here isI say it three years ago and
I read the other day it wasas if I was telling you how intense
it was to write a letter toyour self about me what I know and
(35:12):
then from here, ten fifteen yearsago, open it and you will find
very interesting things. If you canspeak to your self of fifteen, sixteen,
fourteen years, what will you tellhim now, what message will you
leave him. I could do apodcast and or ball talking to me and
I hurt. It' s anexercise I did in therapy, but good.
That' s what I' dsay I' d say it'
s okay. That' s it. It' s okay. Like you
(35:36):
' re like this, it's perfect. Oh, that' s
nice. Yeah, me a littlebit the same. I was a teenager
with a lot of anxiety about everythingI was afraid of everything, everything was
a challenge, and I still tookit out and it would be like a
girl. You' re worth it, you' re worth a lot.
You don' t see it yet, but you' ll see it and
(35:57):
the people around you see it sobe calm, that everything will come out,
how it should come out, howbeautiful I love it, I love
it. I' m going tocry from the I' m coming out
of the rules. I love hownice it is for another podcast. Hey,
if you don' t want toinvite another day to talk about the
rule, I think one,'cause I just love the rules. Yeah,
(36:19):
yeah, well, look, wedo the same thing I did with
the ELLI and it' s come. He' s recorded like four episodes,
I mean, I' m gonnamake a super nice clip, I
' ll try. I' mgonna miss the networks and if it comes
in I don' t know xvisualizations. I' m not gonna freak
out much Come on. These womencome back anyway if you don' t
come too. Yeah, yeah,yeah, I love it so much.
I love it. Yeah, yeah, well, thank you so much for
coming. Me. I' mso happy. Really, if a dream
(36:43):
I' m going to read itto myself today, I' m going
to reread it and I' mgoing to keep it there in my box
that I have a box of things. I' m only in cancer.
I keep everything to my teenage self. I' d tell Kari we'
ve done it, we' vegot a podcast. I want very much
the oars from Chao coming Friday,thank you very much. Oh, that
' s cool, that' sfunny.
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