June 19, 2022 • 32 mins
Welcome to the Hip-Hop Hidden Gems tribute to all the dads out there. In this Father’s Day special Willie and Mo talk about some of their favorite celebrations of the father/child relationship in hip-hop. Included in this episode: Jay-Z, Nas, The Game, DMX, Juelz Santana, Will Smith & Shaquille O’Neal.
Then the hosts focus on two of their favorite songs about fatherhood ever produced in hip-hop:
“The Foundation” by Xzibit & “Father’s Day” by Chino XL.
Finally Willie & Mo turn their attention to the next generation, the kids of the art form:
Wu Tang, Ice Cube, Eazy-E, E-40, Big Pun & Ras Kass have all sired some talented children.
Come celebrate with us.
Happy Father’s Day.
Then the hosts focus on two of their favorite songs about fatherhood ever produced in hip-hop:
“The Foundation” by Xzibit & “Father’s Day” by Chino XL.
Finally Willie & Mo turn their attention to the next generation, the kids of the art form:
Wu Tang, Ice Cube, Eazy-E, E-40, Big Pun & Ras Kass have all sired some talented children.
Come celebrate with us.
Happy Father’s Day.
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Well, this episode is a bitdifferent from the rest. Today we're
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doing a special podcast dedicated to thefathers out there, specifically the rapping fathers.
There have been more than I imaginesongs about fathers, whether it be
rapper talking about their father or themtalking about their child. Right, so
there have been some huge names thathave done things like this. Jay Z
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had as a song Glory about hisdaughter. He actually uses Blue Ivy's voice
in it, which reminded me ofthe Slick Rick classic It's a Boy.
Nas has a song called Daughters thathe did in twenty twelve, interestingly enough,
produced by no Idea. Really yeah, check it out the game with
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Buster Rhymes doing the hook, hasa song called Like Father, Like Son,
and then DMX had a song Letterto my Son. I don't think
I've heard them. What's interesting aboutit is that he does mention his drug
use on it and says that hehopes he did enough to explain to his
son not to do drugs. Yeah, I will say this. I stumbled
across the song I had never heardand it blew me away. Well was
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it. Jules Santana from The Diplomatshas a song Daddy, and it is
him completely bearing his soul. Heliterally says, You're my greatest achievement.
You're the reason that I'm breathing.Wow. He uses a line from Scarface
as his chorus. I got alittle boy to look after. Oh.
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Jules Santana is very skilled. Idid not expect him to be so open
and willing to speak about how importanthis son is to him. There was
no hesitation in any of his lyricsto express his love for his son.
Yeah, this is and it wasreally authentic. He says, I'll do
anything and any and everything. That'sthe truth, Son, from the dirtiest
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diaper to you get old enough todirty your Nike is up. You're clean
up man. If you ever needa hand, need a foot, need
a heart, need a lung,reach for the phone and call me up.
Son, just saying that he's therefor him no matter what. That's
to me, that's just it's astand up man. It's what a father
supposed to. Absolutely, Yeah,there's a you know, to be a
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man, you have to be tough. You have to be strong all the
time. You're not supposed to showweakness. You're not supposed to show emotion.
There's literally lyrics that are classics talkingabout not showing emotion. Yeah.
I just think that it's pretty specialthat Jule Santana was willing to throw all
of that away, throw that wholething away for this particular song. That's
my son, that I got hisback regardless of anything. Yep, somebody
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that you would not be surprised thatwould show some emotion. Is one mister
Will Smith. He had a songoff his Big Willie Style album in nineteen
ninety seven, Just the Two ofUs, that of course is based off
the Bill Withers classic Just the Twoof Us, and it's about his son
Trey. Oh Okay, Like Isaid with Jules Santana, he's not afraid
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to show his soft side in it, right right. Another thing that I
think is really special about this songis that the video is amazing, and
first all, he has a sonin it, but he also makes a
point of putting other black celebrities inwith their children. So you have baby
Face, you have Brian McKnight,Keenan, and Damon Wayans all with their
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children. Wow. And there's othernames that I'm missing, but the biggest
one for me is Muhammad Ali andone of his daughters. Really yeah,
So not only was Will representing forhim and his son, he was representing
for black men and their children.So I thought that was really powerful.
And when we're kind of strange noteabout that that song, like I said,
it was in nineteen ninety seven,I just heard a rendition of it
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recently on Netflix's Lucifer, one ofthe characters reciting one of Will Smith's verses.
Wow, so it's a song that'sstanding the test of time. I
have one last name before we getinto a coup with a bigger artist that
we're going to talk about. Okay, do you remember that Shaquille O'Neill used
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to rap. Do you remember that? Yes? I know what got skills?
Man? I know what got skillsman? Ah? Yeah, yeah,
and you don't need no hook.But it was worth the rizza.
Yeah. He had songs of fushnikstoo, yet shack Fu. He released
the song biological, didn't bother clsmoove from when they remembin this. Yes,
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you're right, that's exactly where it'sfrom. Pee Rock. Yeah,
I remember that. The songs dedicatedto his stepdad. As he points out,
his stepdad was a little bit ofa drill sergeant. He was a
little tough on him, but hehe led him in the right direction.
He kept him disciplined, and ultimatelyShock became one of the most dominant players
in the NBA. He gave creditto a stepfather. Wow. We talked
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about how tough for rappers to shedthat tough guy image. And actually put
that out there. Yeah, itwas really no need for Shock to do
it. He already had the toughguy images as a basketball player. Plus
now he's dropping a rap album.He could do whatever he wants. He
made a specific point. I'm goingto make sure I give you credit.
Everybody knows it. And also that'sdope for all the stepfathers out there,
because it's not something that had tobe done. And it may just be
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that my memory slipping, so Idon't know, I've forgotten. It's not
a lot of artists who give propsto their dads and songs. Chuck d
used to say a lot of timesthat he was the product of a man
being in the house that all thebs stopped because there was a man in
the house. There's a lot ofsongs where we're saying we're gonna be good
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fathers, But sadly, what we'resaying is we're gonna be better than the
ones that they didn't have. Youknow, and you and I we had
our fathers in our lives, sowe instead of us being the tradition,
we almost appear in the media tobe exceptions to the rule. Yes,
and I don't think it is aswidespread and rampant as it is portrayed.
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But I do think hip hop coulddo with more people actually acknowledging the generation
before, as in their actual parentsand people that made those contributions and were
there for them. Yeah. Absolutely, the mentors you had in your life,
even if it wasn't necessarily a father. There are fathers out there,
There are stepfathers out there, thereare uncles that became mentors. I give
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them nothing but props. Amen ofthat. Absolutely, Son. Look,
when I was looking in your eyes, I could see my own straight love
man affected Foundation. It's from Exhibitsdebut album, At the Speed of Life.
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It was made in nineteen ninety sixand produced by DJ MUCKs. The
song is called the Foundation. Yeah. Have you heard it? Have you
listened to it? Foundation? Yeah? Yeah, that's my jam. What
I love about it is the wholesong is him talking to his son about
hope and the future and preparing himfor things to come. But as the
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song progresses, he actually purposefully startstrying to tell him to watch out for
these minds, these land minds thatare in life. And for me,
what I love about that song isI felt like he was sitting there holding
his son like it on one arm. I felt like he was, like,
you know, still six eight monthsold, and he's sitting there holding
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him, and the whole song feelslike he's just talking to him and saying,
I want to impart this wisdom toyou. And it feels like it
rhymes incidentally to him trying to tellhis son these things, knowing at the
time his son's too young to hearhim, but the song will be there
later for him to hear and understand. Well. The foundation for getting enough
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a new I remember hospital Hallway,Bason. I would as to see your
face shine totally to find the choicelooks like fine. What I really appreciate
about this particular song is that hedid it on his debut album. Yeah,
when you do your debut album,you literally don't know if you're gonna
have another album after, right,And it seems like he felt like,
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this is my time to make sureI put this out there in the world
so you can hear it, yep, and also tell other young men the
same thing that aren't necessarily his child. Foundation is another song that I think
if you're a teen, this actuallyaffects how you think. Yeah, absolutely,
people don't like to acknowledge that,but it's very true. Listen,
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ninety media grew presentation. You wereborn to be a soldier. Don't ever
forget hit back when hit, useforce as effective. And all these women's
son please please be selectives. Letno man ever hold you down or oppress
you. And this is the partthat really today hits me. As he
says, it's the nineties. Thepolice just arrest you, disrespect you,
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and on occasion take life. Bythe time you come of age, they'll
probably blast on sight. He wastelling him in the nineties this and as
things progress, we love the narrativethat everything gets better. He's like,
listen, I'm not telling you thatthis situation will definitely improve. You need
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to prepare for the case it maynot. And and just those few lines
really sounds like he's telling him thisin case he's not going to be there.
Yeah, the time ever comes that, I mean match control of my
house. It's scratch. Take careof what your brother, check yourself on.
Try just as jet behind you don'tmean they got so Hello everybody,
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Yeah, Chino Excel. Father's DaySo our featured song of this Father's
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Day special is titled Father's Day.It is off the Reconstruction the Black Or
album in twenty twelve. Bye,she know XL. I guess I was
gonna get into it more later,but um, you know my father died
from cancer. Yeah, and hedied the day after Father's Day. And
then my Max, my son,was born on Father's Day. I can't
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even start to tell you how emotionalI realized that day. Yeah, my
wife Nap, you know, shewas in labor and eventually ended up having
to be a C section, butshe was in labor for a long time.
She was actually in labor from theday before, so you know,
you have to be strong for her, right. I actually went to the
bathroom at one point. I waslike, all right, just give me
a second, right right, gaycomposed, you go back out? All
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right, let's go, you know, right right? I got you this
Father's Day song from Sheo. It'sfirst of all, the storytelling I think
is amazing. Yeah, it's flawlessto me, Like the story is so
complete and so filled in, andit starts the moment and I want to
say the first act because it feltmore like a movie than the song.
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But like, when you get throughthe act, you here to say your
daughter has cancer. But at thebeginning of the verse, he was like,
we're standing there and the doctor's talkingand we can't hear him. Like,
what are we doing on the fourthfloor? You know, if if,
if you had to deal with it, you know that there is a
floor or you're a lot of hospitalspecifically for cancer patient. Yeah, there's
a cancer ward and what was worse, there's also a pediatric ward. And
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you put the two together and it'sjust wow. Doctors couldn't even be heard
the word this isn't happening to you. I'm like Superman, and I could
protect you from many things. Iwas really scared. I realized what I
heard, but not preparing for thesentence that the doctors say, you're doing
it as cancer and the whole timeyou're captivated in the story and you're going
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through it. And the way hewove the story, it doesn't stop.
It doesn't sit still, so youdon't get time to go and analyze it
in the moment that you're listening tothe story itself. But it's visual.
It uses a lot of imagery,which I think is really vital to effective
storytelling in the first place. Hedoesn't say I wish I could just fix
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that. He says, okay,I got a man up. It hit
me so hard I could barely standup. My world stop. The flowers
and balloons and the cards came,prayers, many hours, needs bruised,
all in God's name. It hurtsso much. If only my feeble hands
could remove this neuroblastoma tumor from youradrenal glance. He is saying, very
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plainly, if there's something I coulddo, I would do it. Why
you why now? It didn't feelfair. Your grandma shed tears, you
lost your hair. And the thingis he's he's still weaving between here's what's
happening and here's how I'm feeling aboutit. It's never mechanical, right,
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that's powerful. And then he startstrying to vision the future, so it
sounds like he's actually in therapy.He says, I learned to envision your
face growing, getting older, envisionyou driving your first car and getting your
diploma, envisioned your wedding, yourhusband better be a soldier, A little
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girl sick like you died two roomsover. Because I feel like the word
choice there is very telling. Hesaid he learned to envision these things,
not I decided to envision these scauseI'm trying. So they're at the hospital,
they're basically living at the hospital,and this is them going through therapy
with working through this thing, andthey're being told, you need to picture
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her surviving this, and so he'strying to do that. He's walking through
that and while he's trying to bepositive and picture this, a little girl's
sick like belladed two rooms over.Either amazing point. I never saw it
that way, but that you're onehundred percent right, and that's an amazing
point. You can't escape the realityof what the situation is. He was
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trying to envision a better future,and then the girl too rooms over here,
passes away. Yeah, and heknows that that parent was supposed to
be having the same visions. Right. This isn't just something happening in the
moment in his room at the hospital. This is happening to people everywhere.
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Yeah. Yeah, And there maybe a family somewhere hearing that song and
no he's talking about their daughter.He would have to think that somebody from
her family would have heard the songsomehow. I don't know. It would
bring back a lot of painful memories, but it would also be pretty special
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that somebody remembered their little girl.Yeah, immemorialized in that way. That's
that's huge. I would save mylife right now, if you want.
My child changed my life for herfather's shame. There's some things he says
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that are clearly specific to the narrativeof what his family went through. But
there's other things he says in herethat everybody can feel. I think there's
two lines in there that are interestingand powerful for different reasons. Today.
Because he goes protecting your immune systemfrom contaminants, you had to wear a
medical a mask. Can't give mykid a kiss. Yeah, we've just
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been through a pandemic that everybody hadto wear masks. Now, granted,
for the most part, it wasn'tkids, but it was people's mother's father's
grandmother's grandfather that once they got isolated, especially in the beginning, you couldn't
get near them. Yeah. Aspowerful as the song is, it relates
to more than jest Cho's story withhis daughter. True, like even in
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the chorus, I'll take my liferight now if you would save my child.
I don't know a parent who wouldn'ttrade their own life for their children's.
I'll exchange my life for hers,and this is my solemn vow,
and how he closes the chorus outsaying, this is a father's shame that
I can't save you from everything.We're supposed to reasonably and logically know we're
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only human and we can't do everythingin the world. The thing is,
when your child is born, youliterally are doing everything in the world for
them. And she was ten monthsold when this was happening, so we're
still in the space of everything forthis child. He is doing everything,
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and this happened at that point,so it's not she went to school and
fell down. It's not like there'sshe's right there and her life at this
point was completely dependent on her momand dad and to take that and then
she gets hit with cancer, there'snothing he can do. And I feel
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like he captured that and walked usthrough the entire process. You're right,
because, particularly when your baby's thatsmall, you literally do have to do
everything. They have no responsibilities,all your responsibility. So when something goes
wrong, you feel like it's youright, it's your fault, it's you've
got to fix that, You've gotto make it right. So when it's
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something like this that you can't fix, it doesn't absolve you from that feeling
that it's still on you. Andit was interesting because he said he felt
like Superman. So think about it. He's one of the top people in
his craft. The one thing thathe's worked at his whole life, he
became one of the top. There'sdifferent ways to argue about who's the best
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lyricist, whatever, whatever, butwe can easily say that he's amongst those
absolutely in the craft. Absolutely soto be able to work that hard to
get to that, but the onething you know you want to do more
than that is to be a goodfather and then there's no work that you
can do to be able to helpyour daughter with cancer. Right, It's
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it's the most helpless feeling in theworld. And he expresses that soul clearly
that it really is a stab inthe heart. Yeah, this is a
piece of a man soul poured out. It's a it's a piece of art
that's a snippet of him and hislife being captured in a song they put
out. And I just I don'tthink that should be overlooked or understated.
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It took a lot to write thatthat could not have just and came out.
And I mean we're talking about ChinoExcel. I don't know anything he's
done that doesn't take a lot todo. But there's a level of vulnerability
there that rappers generally don't do,that isn't done. And there's two rules
of the vulnerability. Because there's oneto actually say it in front of people
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and to put that put your heartout there like that. Yeah, there's
also the internal part because to gothrough that again, to write it as
precisely as he wrote it, withjust the little things like the hospital being
so cold, to actually put yourselfin a mindset to be able to go
back into that. Granted he hashis little girl with him who's not as
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little anymore. He knows the endof the story, even though we don't
know when we're listening. He knowsthere's a happy ending to it. But
for him to be able to putthis down in writing and then be able
to recite it and then go throughit, and then even the chorus,
to me, like when he's singingto me, you can hear the pain
in him singing it. Yeah,the timber of his voice, it's it's
still there. There's a bravery that'sstill kind of masochistic in nature. There's
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a pain that he had to livein to write this. Absolutely, I'm
gonna say this, This to meis one of the best songs I've ever
heard. I've ever heard, likehow it's written, how it's structured,
how perfect it is. To me, it's one of the best songs ever.
I rarely listen to it, sayingabsolutely, I agree. I can't
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spend a lot of time in thatspace. Yeah, you know, it's
such a kick in the stomach tome. So to be the actual father
in this experience, this is draining, This is tough. Yeah, you
know, we talked about how Chinohad a tough childhood and that made him
stronger be able to write this song. He had to be unbelievably strong.
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Yeah, pulling the red wagon,the sound and the plastic wheels kind of
a metaphor for pulling through this ordeal. I pray my enemies nevern't even have
to know how to feel. Doesn'tmatter. You're the one suffering. You
couldn't speak about yet. But it'slike, yeah, I'm just saying,
Daddy, if it's an obstacle inprice, I gotta pay. Like we
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said, I think everybody, ifthey haven't heard the song, needs to
listen to the song. Honestly,But if you want to feel really cool
about this song, I suggest goingon YouTube and actually looking up a different
song. It's Chin No excel Liedoing wordsmith. He's on stage and he
talks a little bit about this song, basically says he's not doing it live
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right like because it's probably get himtoo emotional. But he actually brings his
daughter out on stage. Oh wow, and she comes and gives him a
hug wow, And then he sitsdown and does the song wordsmith, which,
honestly, if we end up doinga third TEENO episode. That would
be the song. It's more ofa technical song, but it talks about
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his childhood and his tough and howhe was raised in the tough things he
went through. Yeah, with wordplay, double entendres all over the place,
a wordsmith. Yes, you couldactually see him hammering the iron shaping you
that song. Wow. But backto Father's Day, the dopest thing is
that he actually brings Bella out onstage and she gives him a hug and
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and like that made me almost tearup but smiling. Yeah, that's amazing.
I made you too, trying topull up the clip now about the
storm Father's Day, about want tobe in a cancer survivor f that's does
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something for him. I'm gonna behonest with you because she see how so
emotional I probably couldn't get through tobad but she is here, Bella,
if you want to come back,I remember, not away because I love
it, but because a lot ofpeople that are going through a lot of
ship need to be able to geta mental picture of somebody who can make
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it through God blessing. Wow.And she's like, actually, I don't
know, because you know in myhead because the song is still a baby.
Okay, I don't be able tokeep recording if I watch anymore of
that. I have to say thatfor later. Wow. Okay, all
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right, I'm bad. That's dope. All right, that's so dope man.
Wow. You mentioned earlier about somebodywriting something so powerful they actually feel
like, yeah, you feel aconnection to them, right. I get
emotional seeing him with his daughter.Yeah. And that's because of well one,
because of all the stuff he's donebefore that, but specifically this song.
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You're legitially rooting for her, likeshe's in your family. Right,
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right, we're talking about Father's Dayand we've talked about the fathers making songs
for their sons or daughters. Yeah, I think that we can't end this
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episode without talking about some of thenext generation. Okay, okay, So
there's a couple of names. I'mmissing a ton of them, so I
hope the listeners will not get upsetat me. But there are some names
that pop into my head almost tome. One of the artists that I
think about is second Generation woo ohyeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah. The kids of Woutang formedtheir own group. From my understanding,
the main crux of the group isthe son of you God and the son
of method Man. And I gottasay they're really talented and they believe in
the craft. You could tell thatthey work on their pen game. They're
not trying to just get by ontheir father's name. Talented individuals. If
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we're going to talk about Wutang andthe children of Woutang, though, I
think we have to talk about theyoung dirty Yeah, real interesting cat.
He wears his hair like his father. Yeah, he's kind of wild like
his father. He is truly youngdirty. Well, we have the West
coast too, right, right,And it just occurs to me. Ice
Cube's son is now an actor,which I think he had two sons that
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were rapping, and you know,Easy had I think eleven kids, right,
and a few of them have gotteninto rapping, at least four or
five. Yeah, because there's twodaughters that definitely have I think one is
eb and then remarkable, and thenthe boys. I believe that's third one,
but I can't remember him offhand,but there is our E three,
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which is baby Easy, and thenprobably the one who's gained the most amount
of fame is a little Easy andhe's a spitting image of his father.
Wow. Really Yeah, he's maybea little bit stockier, but other than
that, he just looks like him. He looks like his face. He
doesn't have easy voice, but Imean nobody does, right, Yeah.
But he recently did a song itAin't Over. I love it, and
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the label is rich and Ruthless,Rich and Ruthless. Yeah, so really
appreciate that. And there's quite afew out there, like E forty's son,
Drew B. E forty actually handedthe company over and Drew B is
now well Jupie became the CEO ofSick with It. Now say it became
because that was more than a decadeago, so he could be doing something
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different at this moment. I justremember the impact of being able to say
I started doing this thing, Ihad a child, I kept doing this
thing, and now I can givethis company over to my son. That
was just an amazing legacy to passon and to be putting out music from
before your child is born to thepoint your child is now able to become
executive at the company. That's amazing. Yeah, applause to P forty for
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real. All right, now thatwe mention those, I do have to
mention to me some of the bestbidders of all the children, all right,
and probably the person I put numberone, Chris Rivers, Big Pun's
son. Yeah, look at thestock he came from, because Big Pun
was absolutely no joke. Indeed,Yeah, Big Pun was a beast,
and Chris Rivers took right in hisfather's footsteps. That's amazing, amazing lyricists,
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I'm frustrated that his career hasn't takenoff more than it has, right,
But I think an episode ago wewere talking about selling out or being
pure, pure hip hop and ChrisRivers is definitely taking a or hip hop
line. Nah. The last oneI want to mention, yeah, is
one I think you're not aware ofyet. Actually it's a group of four,
but two of them are children ofa hip hop genius. These guys,
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like I said, as a groupof four and I haven't really figured
out which one's which yet. You'repretty new what they've been doing. Whoa
lyricists. The group is called CoastContra Coast Contra, Coast Contra. I
haven't heard of this, and Iheard this lyrical legend kind of hyping them
up, and I was like,I don't remember hearing him hype people up
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before. So I was kind ofconfused, and I was like, did
he become a manager? What's goingon here? And then I listened to
like Yo, these young guys theyhave bars, and I was like,
all right, now, I cansee why he would promote him since he
is a person all about his lyricsand this young group is all about their
lyrics. Found out two of themare his sons, two of them.
Two of them, So rass Cathas two sons. What's in the group?
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Coast contract stop it and they raprap ras Cas ras Cas. I
have to hear this. You justblew my mind. I have to go
one hundred percent, have to checkit out. Right after we had done
with this podcast, I'm gonna gocheck them out. I'm gonna go check
out some Chris Rivers. Yeah,okay, yeah, you've building a playlist
(31:23):
for me after this episode. Yeah. So these hip hop fathers have not
only made some beautiful songs, they'vemade some talent with their children. All
right, So salute to all thedads out there, especially to hip hop
dads, especially to hip hopcas speciallythis is hip hop hidden gems. Happy
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Father's Day to all the fathers outthere. Thanks man, that's great.
Do you have anything else to say? I hope you have a great day
fathers perfect thank you? Actually allright, man, So eight Fathers Day
ago, you made me the luckiestman in the world. So I just
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once you know that I love youand thank you for choose me as your
dad. Love you, little buddy. I do not choose you. I
was lucky. It's lucky, justlike you. All right, We're lucky
together. Then all right, goplay
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Well, this episode is a bitdifferent from the rest. Today we're
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doing a special podcast dedicated to thefathers out there, specifically the rapping fathers.
There have been more than I imaginesongs about fathers, whether it be
rapper talking about their father or themtalking about their child. Right, so
there have been some huge names thathave done things like this. Jay Z
(01:36):
had as a song Glory about hisdaughter. He actually uses Blue Ivy's voice
in it, which reminded me ofthe Slick Rick classic It's a Boy.
Nas has a song called Daughters thathe did in twenty twelve, interestingly enough,
produced by no Idea. Really yeah, check it out the game with
(01:57):
Buster Rhymes doing the hook, hasa song called Like Father, Like Son,
and then DMX had a song Letterto my Son. I don't think
I've heard them. What's interesting aboutit is that he does mention his drug
use on it and says that hehopes he did enough to explain to his
son not to do drugs. Yeah, I will say this. I stumbled
across the song I had never heardand it blew me away. Well was
(02:21):
it. Jules Santana from The Diplomatshas a song Daddy, and it is
him completely bearing his soul. Heliterally says, You're my greatest achievement.
You're the reason that I'm breathing.Wow. He uses a line from Scarface
as his chorus. I got alittle boy to look after. Oh.
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Jules Santana is very skilled. Idid not expect him to be so open
and willing to speak about how importanthis son is to him. There was
no hesitation in any of his lyricsto express his love for his son.
Yeah, this is and it wasreally authentic. He says, I'll do
anything and any and everything. That'sthe truth, Son, from the dirtiest
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diaper to you get old enough todirty your Nike is up. You're clean
up man. If you ever needa hand, need a foot, need
a heart, need a lung,reach for the phone and call me up.
Son, just saying that he's therefor him no matter what. That's
to me, that's just it's astand up man. It's what a father
supposed to. Absolutely, Yeah,there's a you know, to be a
(03:28):
man, you have to be tough. You have to be strong all the
time. You're not supposed to showweakness. You're not supposed to show emotion.
There's literally lyrics that are classics talkingabout not showing emotion. Yeah.
I just think that it's pretty specialthat Jule Santana was willing to throw all
of that away, throw that wholething away for this particular song. That's
my son, that I got hisback regardless of anything. Yep, somebody
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that you would not be surprised thatwould show some emotion. Is one mister
Will Smith. He had a songoff his Big Willie Style album in nineteen
ninety seven, Just the Two ofUs, that of course is based off
the Bill Withers classic Just the Twoof Us, and it's about his son
Trey. Oh Okay, Like Isaid with Jules Santana, he's not afraid
(04:15):
to show his soft side in it, right right. Another thing that I
think is really special about this songis that the video is amazing, and
first all, he has a sonin it, but he also makes a
point of putting other black celebrities inwith their children. So you have baby
Face, you have Brian McKnight,Keenan, and Damon Wayans all with their
(04:40):
children. Wow. And there's othernames that I'm missing, but the biggest
one for me is Muhammad Ali andone of his daughters. Really yeah,
So not only was Will representing forhim and his son, he was representing
for black men and their children.So I thought that was really powerful.
And when we're kind of strange noteabout that that song, like I said,
it was in nineteen ninety seven,I just heard a rendition of it
(05:04):
recently on Netflix's Lucifer, one ofthe characters reciting one of Will Smith's verses.
Wow, so it's a song that'sstanding the test of time. I
have one last name before we getinto a coup with a bigger artist that
we're going to talk about. Okay, do you remember that Shaquille O'Neill used
(05:25):
to rap. Do you remember that? Yes? I know what got skills?
Man? I know what got skillsman? Ah? Yeah, yeah,
and you don't need no hook.But it was worth the rizza.
Yeah. He had songs of fushnikstoo, yet shack Fu. He released
the song biological, didn't bother clsmoove from when they remembin this. Yes,
(05:46):
you're right, that's exactly where it'sfrom. Pee Rock. Yeah,
I remember that. The songs dedicatedto his stepdad. As he points out,
his stepdad was a little bit ofa drill sergeant. He was a
little tough on him, but hehe led him in the right direction.
He kept him disciplined, and ultimatelyShock became one of the most dominant players
in the NBA. He gave creditto a stepfather. Wow. We talked
(06:11):
about how tough for rappers to shedthat tough guy image. And actually put
that out there. Yeah, itwas really no need for Shock to do
it. He already had the toughguy images as a basketball player. Plus
now he's dropping a rap album.He could do whatever he wants. He
made a specific point. I'm goingto make sure I give you credit.
Everybody knows it. And also that'sdope for all the stepfathers out there,
because it's not something that had tobe done. And it may just be
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that my memory slipping, so Idon't know, I've forgotten. It's not
a lot of artists who give propsto their dads and songs. Chuck d
used to say a lot of timesthat he was the product of a man
being in the house that all thebs stopped because there was a man in
the house. There's a lot ofsongs where we're saying we're gonna be good
(06:56):
fathers, But sadly, what we'resaying is we're gonna be better than the
ones that they didn't have. Youknow, and you and I we had
our fathers in our lives, sowe instead of us being the tradition,
we almost appear in the media tobe exceptions to the rule. Yes,
and I don't think it is aswidespread and rampant as it is portrayed.
(07:21):
But I do think hip hop coulddo with more people actually acknowledging the generation
before, as in their actual parentsand people that made those contributions and were
there for them. Yeah. Absolutely, the mentors you had in your life,
even if it wasn't necessarily a father. There are fathers out there,
There are stepfathers out there, thereare uncles that became mentors. I give
(07:44):
them nothing but props. Amen ofthat. Absolutely, Son. Look,
when I was looking in your eyes, I could see my own straight love
man affected Foundation. It's from Exhibitsdebut album, At the Speed of Life.
(08:11):
It was made in nineteen ninety sixand produced by DJ MUCKs. The
song is called the Foundation. Yeah. Have you heard it? Have you
listened to it? Foundation? Yeah? Yeah, that's my jam. What
I love about it is the wholesong is him talking to his son about
hope and the future and preparing himfor things to come. But as the
(08:35):
song progresses, he actually purposefully startstrying to tell him to watch out for
these minds, these land minds thatare in life. And for me,
what I love about that song isI felt like he was sitting there holding
his son like it on one arm. I felt like he was, like,
you know, still six eight monthsold, and he's sitting there holding
(08:58):
him, and the whole song feelslike he's just talking to him and saying,
I want to impart this wisdom toyou. And it feels like it
rhymes incidentally to him trying to tellhis son these things, knowing at the
time his son's too young to hearhim, but the song will be there
later for him to hear and understand. Well. The foundation for getting enough
(09:20):
a new I remember hospital Hallway,Bason. I would as to see your
face shine totally to find the choicelooks like fine. What I really appreciate
about this particular song is that hedid it on his debut album. Yeah,
when you do your debut album,you literally don't know if you're gonna
have another album after, right,And it seems like he felt like,
(09:41):
this is my time to make sureI put this out there in the world
so you can hear it, yep, and also tell other young men the
same thing that aren't necessarily his child. Foundation is another song that I think
if you're a teen, this actuallyaffects how you think. Yeah, absolutely,
people don't like to acknowledge that,but it's very true. Listen,
(10:01):
ninety media grew presentation. You wereborn to be a soldier. Don't ever
forget hit back when hit, useforce as effective. And all these women's
son please please be selectives. Letno man ever hold you down or oppress
you. And this is the partthat really today hits me. As he
says, it's the nineties. Thepolice just arrest you, disrespect you,
(10:22):
and on occasion take life. Bythe time you come of age, they'll
probably blast on sight. He wastelling him in the nineties this and as
things progress, we love the narrativethat everything gets better. He's like,
listen, I'm not telling you thatthis situation will definitely improve. You need
(10:46):
to prepare for the case it maynot. And and just those few lines
really sounds like he's telling him thisin case he's not going to be there.
Yeah, the time ever comes that, I mean match control of my
house. It's scratch. Take careof what your brother, check yourself on.
Try just as jet behind you don'tmean they got so Hello everybody,
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Yeah, Chino Excel. Father's DaySo our featured song of this Father's
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Day special is titled Father's Day.It is off the Reconstruction the Black Or
album in twenty twelve. Bye,she know XL. I guess I was
gonna get into it more later,but um, you know my father died
from cancer. Yeah, and hedied the day after Father's Day. And
then my Max, my son,was born on Father's Day. I can't
(12:16):
even start to tell you how emotionalI realized that day. Yeah, my
wife Nap, you know, shewas in labor and eventually ended up having
to be a C section, butshe was in labor for a long time.
She was actually in labor from theday before, so you know,
you have to be strong for her, right. I actually went to the
bathroom at one point. I waslike, all right, just give me
a second, right right, gaycomposed, you go back out? All
(12:37):
right, let's go, you know, right right? I got you this
Father's Day song from Sheo. It'sfirst of all, the storytelling I think
is amazing. Yeah, it's flawlessto me, Like the story is so
complete and so filled in, andit starts the moment and I want to
say the first act because it feltmore like a movie than the song.
(12:58):
But like, when you get throughthe act, you here to say your
daughter has cancer. But at thebeginning of the verse, he was like,
we're standing there and the doctor's talkingand we can't hear him. Like,
what are we doing on the fourthfloor? You know, if if,
if you had to deal with it, you know that there is a
floor or you're a lot of hospitalspecifically for cancer patient. Yeah, there's
a cancer ward and what was worse, there's also a pediatric ward. And
(13:20):
you put the two together and it'sjust wow. Doctors couldn't even be heard
the word this isn't happening to you. I'm like Superman, and I could
protect you from many things. Iwas really scared. I realized what I
heard, but not preparing for thesentence that the doctors say, you're doing
it as cancer and the whole timeyou're captivated in the story and you're going
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through it. And the way hewove the story, it doesn't stop.
It doesn't sit still, so youdon't get time to go and analyze it
in the moment that you're listening tothe story itself. But it's visual.
It uses a lot of imagery,which I think is really vital to effective
storytelling in the first place. Hedoesn't say I wish I could just fix
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that. He says, okay,I got a man up. It hit
me so hard I could barely standup. My world stop. The flowers
and balloons and the cards came,prayers, many hours, needs bruised,
all in God's name. It hurtsso much. If only my feeble hands
could remove this neuroblastoma tumor from youradrenal glance. He is saying, very
(14:26):
plainly, if there's something I coulddo, I would do it. Why
you why now? It didn't feelfair. Your grandma shed tears, you
lost your hair. And the thingis he's he's still weaving between here's what's
happening and here's how I'm feeling aboutit. It's never mechanical, right,
(14:46):
that's powerful. And then he startstrying to vision the future, so it
sounds like he's actually in therapy.He says, I learned to envision your
face growing, getting older, envisionyou driving your first car and getting your
diploma, envisioned your wedding, yourhusband better be a soldier, A little
(15:07):
girl sick like you died two roomsover. Because I feel like the word
choice there is very telling. Hesaid he learned to envision these things,
not I decided to envision these scauseI'm trying. So they're at the hospital,
they're basically living at the hospital,and this is them going through therapy
with working through this thing, andthey're being told, you need to picture
(15:28):
her surviving this, and so he'strying to do that. He's walking through
that and while he's trying to bepositive and picture this, a little girl's
sick like belladed two rooms over.Either amazing point. I never saw it
that way, but that you're onehundred percent right, and that's an amazing
point. You can't escape the realityof what the situation is. He was
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trying to envision a better future,and then the girl too rooms over here,
passes away. Yeah, and heknows that that parent was supposed to
be having the same visions. Right. This isn't just something happening in the
moment in his room at the hospital. This is happening to people everywhere.
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Yeah. Yeah, And there maybe a family somewhere hearing that song and
no he's talking about their daughter.He would have to think that somebody from
her family would have heard the songsomehow. I don't know. It would
bring back a lot of painful memories, but it would also be pretty special
(16:37):
that somebody remembered their little girl.Yeah, immemorialized in that way. That's
that's huge. I would save mylife right now, if you want.
My child changed my life for herfather's shame. There's some things he says
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that are clearly specific to the narrativeof what his family went through. But
there's other things he says in herethat everybody can feel. I think there's
two lines in there that are interestingand powerful for different reasons. Today.
Because he goes protecting your immune systemfrom contaminants, you had to wear a
medical a mask. Can't give mykid a kiss. Yeah, we've just
(17:34):
been through a pandemic that everybody hadto wear masks. Now, granted,
for the most part, it wasn'tkids, but it was people's mother's father's
grandmother's grandfather that once they got isolated, especially in the beginning, you couldn't
get near them. Yeah. Aspowerful as the song is, it relates
to more than jest Cho's story withhis daughter. True, like even in
(17:55):
the chorus, I'll take my liferight now if you would save my child.
I don't know a parent who wouldn'ttrade their own life for their children's.
I'll exchange my life for hers,and this is my solemn vow,
and how he closes the chorus outsaying, this is a father's shame that
I can't save you from everything.We're supposed to reasonably and logically know we're
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only human and we can't do everythingin the world. The thing is,
when your child is born, youliterally are doing everything in the world for
them. And she was ten monthsold when this was happening, so we're
still in the space of everything forthis child. He is doing everything,
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and this happened at that point,so it's not she went to school and
fell down. It's not like there'sshe's right there and her life at this
point was completely dependent on her momand dad and to take that and then
she gets hit with cancer, there'snothing he can do. And I feel
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like he captured that and walked usthrough the entire process. You're right,
because, particularly when your baby's thatsmall, you literally do have to do
everything. They have no responsibilities,all your responsibility. So when something goes
wrong, you feel like it's youright, it's your fault, it's you've
got to fix that, You've gotto make it right. So when it's
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something like this that you can't fix, it doesn't absolve you from that feeling
that it's still on you. Andit was interesting because he said he felt
like Superman. So think about it. He's one of the top people in
his craft. The one thing thathe's worked at his whole life, he
became one of the top. There'sdifferent ways to argue about who's the best
(19:53):
lyricist, whatever, whatever, butwe can easily say that he's amongst those
absolutely in the craft. Absolutely soto be able to work that hard to
get to that, but the onething you know you want to do more
than that is to be a goodfather and then there's no work that you
can do to be able to helpyour daughter with cancer. Right, It's
(20:18):
it's the most helpless feeling in theworld. And he expresses that soul clearly
that it really is a stab inthe heart. Yeah, this is a
piece of a man soul poured out. It's a it's a piece of art
that's a snippet of him and hislife being captured in a song they put
out. And I just I don'tthink that should be overlooked or understated.
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It took a lot to write thatthat could not have just and came out.
And I mean we're talking about ChinoExcel. I don't know anything he's
done that doesn't take a lot todo. But there's a level of vulnerability
there that rappers generally don't do,that isn't done. And there's two rules
of the vulnerability. Because there's oneto actually say it in front of people
(21:03):
and to put that put your heartout there like that. Yeah, there's
also the internal part because to gothrough that again, to write it as
precisely as he wrote it, withjust the little things like the hospital being
so cold, to actually put yourselfin a mindset to be able to go
back into that. Granted he hashis little girl with him who's not as
(21:25):
little anymore. He knows the endof the story, even though we don't
know when we're listening. He knowsthere's a happy ending to it. But
for him to be able to putthis down in writing and then be able
to recite it and then go throughit, and then even the chorus,
to me, like when he's singingto me, you can hear the pain
in him singing it. Yeah,the timber of his voice, it's it's
still there. There's a bravery that'sstill kind of masochistic in nature. There's
(21:52):
a pain that he had to livein to write this. Absolutely, I'm
gonna say this, This to meis one of the best songs I've ever
heard. I've ever heard, likehow it's written, how it's structured,
how perfect it is. To me, it's one of the best songs ever.
I rarely listen to it, sayingabsolutely, I agree. I can't
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spend a lot of time in thatspace. Yeah, you know, it's
such a kick in the stomach tome. So to be the actual father
in this experience, this is draining, This is tough. Yeah, you
know, we talked about how Chinohad a tough childhood and that made him
stronger be able to write this song. He had to be unbelievably strong.
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Yeah, pulling the red wagon,the sound and the plastic wheels kind of
a metaphor for pulling through this ordeal. I pray my enemies nevern't even have
to know how to feel. Doesn'tmatter. You're the one suffering. You
couldn't speak about yet. But it'slike, yeah, I'm just saying,
Daddy, if it's an obstacle inprice, I gotta pay. Like we
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said, I think everybody, ifthey haven't heard the song, needs to
listen to the song. Honestly,But if you want to feel really cool
about this song, I suggest goingon YouTube and actually looking up a different
song. It's Chin No excel Liedoing wordsmith. He's on stage and he
talks a little bit about this song, basically says he's not doing it live
(23:23):
right like because it's probably get himtoo emotional. But he actually brings his
daughter out on stage. Oh wow, and she comes and gives him a
hug wow, And then he sitsdown and does the song wordsmith, which,
honestly, if we end up doinga third TEENO episode. That would
be the song. It's more ofa technical song, but it talks about
(23:45):
his childhood and his tough and howhe was raised in the tough things he
went through. Yeah, with wordplay, double entendres all over the place,
a wordsmith. Yes, you couldactually see him hammering the iron shaping you
that song. Wow. But backto Father's Day, the dopest thing is
that he actually brings Bella out onstage and she gives him a hug and
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and like that made me almost tearup but smiling. Yeah, that's amazing.
I made you too, trying topull up the clip now about the
storm Father's Day, about want tobe in a cancer survivor f that's does
(24:30):
something for him. I'm gonna behonest with you because she see how so
emotional I probably couldn't get through tobad but she is here, Bella,
if you want to come back,I remember, not away because I love
it, but because a lot ofpeople that are going through a lot of
ship need to be able to geta mental picture of somebody who can make
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it through God blessing. Wow.And she's like, actually, I don't
know, because you know in myhead because the song is still a baby.
Okay, I don't be able tokeep recording if I watch anymore of
that. I have to say thatfor later. Wow. Okay, all
(25:18):
right, I'm bad. That's dope. All right, that's so dope man.
Wow. You mentioned earlier about somebodywriting something so powerful they actually feel
like, yeah, you feel aconnection to them, right. I get
emotional seeing him with his daughter.Yeah. And that's because of well one,
because of all the stuff he's donebefore that, but specifically this song.
(25:40):
You're legitially rooting for her, likeshe's in your family. Right,
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right, we're talking about Father's Dayand we've talked about the fathers making songs
for their sons or daughters. Yeah, I think that we can't end this
(26:45):
episode without talking about some of thenext generation. Okay, okay, So
there's a couple of names. I'mmissing a ton of them, so I
hope the listeners will not get upsetat me. But there are some names
that pop into my head almost tome. One of the artists that I
think about is second Generation woo ohyeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(27:06):
yeah. The kids of Woutang formedtheir own group. From my understanding,
the main crux of the group isthe son of you God and the son
of method Man. And I gottasay they're really talented and they believe in
the craft. You could tell thatthey work on their pen game. They're
not trying to just get by ontheir father's name. Talented individuals. If
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we're going to talk about Wutang andthe children of Woutang, though, I
think we have to talk about theyoung dirty Yeah, real interesting cat.
He wears his hair like his father. Yeah, he's kind of wild like
his father. He is truly youngdirty. Well, we have the West
coast too, right, right,And it just occurs to me. Ice
Cube's son is now an actor,which I think he had two sons that
(27:48):
were rapping, and you know,Easy had I think eleven kids, right,
and a few of them have gotteninto rapping, at least four or
five. Yeah, because there's twodaughters that definitely have I think one is
eb and then remarkable, and thenthe boys. I believe that's third one,
but I can't remember him offhand,but there is our E three,
(28:11):
which is baby Easy, and thenprobably the one who's gained the most amount
of fame is a little Easy andhe's a spitting image of his father.
Wow. Really Yeah, he's maybea little bit stockier, but other than
that, he just looks like him. He looks like his face. He
doesn't have easy voice, but Imean nobody does, right, Yeah.
But he recently did a song itAin't Over. I love it, and
(28:36):
the label is rich and Ruthless,Rich and Ruthless. Yeah, so really
appreciate that. And there's quite afew out there, like E forty's son,
Drew B. E forty actually handedthe company over and Drew B is
now well Jupie became the CEO ofSick with It. Now say it became
because that was more than a decadeago, so he could be doing something
(28:59):
different at this moment. I justremember the impact of being able to say
I started doing this thing, Ihad a child, I kept doing this
thing, and now I can givethis company over to my son. That
was just an amazing legacy to passon and to be putting out music from
before your child is born to thepoint your child is now able to become
executive at the company. That's amazing. Yeah, applause to P forty for
(29:23):
real. All right, now thatwe mention those, I do have to
mention to me some of the bestbidders of all the children, all right,
and probably the person I put numberone, Chris Rivers, Big Pun's
son. Yeah, look at thestock he came from, because Big Pun
was absolutely no joke. Indeed,Yeah, Big Pun was a beast,
and Chris Rivers took right in hisfather's footsteps. That's amazing, amazing lyricists,
(29:48):
I'm frustrated that his career hasn't takenoff more than it has, right,
But I think an episode ago wewere talking about selling out or being
pure, pure hip hop and ChrisRivers is definitely taking a or hip hop
line. Nah. The last oneI want to mention, yeah, is
one I think you're not aware ofyet. Actually it's a group of four,
but two of them are children ofa hip hop genius. These guys,
(30:14):
like I said, as a groupof four and I haven't really figured
out which one's which yet. You'repretty new what they've been doing. Whoa
lyricists. The group is called CoastContra Coast Contra, Coast Contra. I
haven't heard of this, and Iheard this lyrical legend kind of hyping them
up, and I was like,I don't remember hearing him hype people up
(30:37):
before. So I was kind ofconfused, and I was like, did
he become a manager? What's goingon here? And then I listened to
like Yo, these young guys theyhave bars, and I was like,
all right, now, I cansee why he would promote him since he
is a person all about his lyricsand this young group is all about their
lyrics. Found out two of themare his sons, two of them.
Two of them, So rass Cathas two sons. What's in the group?
(31:00):
Coast contract stop it and they raprap ras Cas ras Cas. I
have to hear this. You justblew my mind. I have to go
one hundred percent, have to checkit out. Right after we had done
with this podcast, I'm gonna gocheck them out. I'm gonna go check
out some Chris Rivers. Yeah,okay, yeah, you've building a playlist
(31:23):
for me after this episode. Yeah. So these hip hop fathers have not
only made some beautiful songs, they'vemade some talent with their children. All
right, So salute to all thedads out there, especially to hip hop
dads, especially to hip hopcas speciallythis is hip hop hidden gems. Happy
(31:45):
Father's Day to all the fathers outthere. Thanks man, that's great.
Do you have anything else to say? I hope you have a great day
fathers perfect thank you? Actually allright, man, So eight Fathers Day
ago, you made me the luckiestman in the world. So I just
(32:07):
once you know that I love youand thank you for choose me as your
dad. Love you, little buddy. I do not choose you. I
was lucky. It's lucky, justlike you. All right, We're lucky
together. Then all right, goplay
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