EP 66 - The History of Dueling

Felipe and Butch challenge each to a duel, to explain the history of duels. Duels evolved from medieval European traditions where knights and nobles would settle disputes through physical confrontations. There's no laws on it, lives were either changed or lost. It was appropriately called "trial by combat" where legal disputes were settled by fighting. While initially seen as a way to avoid violence, dueling eventually became a popular means of resolving personal slights, particularly among the upper class.

LINKS
Felipe Esparza: @FelipeEsparzaComedian (IG) @FunnyFelipe (TT)
Butch Escobar: @ButchEscobar
(IG and TT Theme music (Intro and Outro) - by IkeReatorBeatz

Get tickets to laugh with Felipe @ http://FelipesWorld.com

Felipe Esparza is a comedian and actor, known for his stand-up specials, “They’re Not Gonna Laugh at You”, “Translate This”, and his latest dual-release on Netflix, “Bad Decisions/Malas Decisiones” (2 different performances in two languages), his recurring appearances on Netflix’s “Gentefied”, NBC’s “Superstore” and Adultswim’s “The Eric Andre Show”, as well as winning “Last Comic Standing” (2010), and his popular podcast called “What’s Up Fool?”. Felipe continues to sell out live stand-up shows in comedy clubs and theaters around the country. About Butch - Butch Escobar is one of the most prominent comedians in the San Francisco Bay Area. He has performed throughout the country and for the troops overseas. His energetic performances and unapologetic views on contemporary society have made him one of the most in-demand comedians on the West Coast.Butch is a featured regular at the world famous Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas, Cobbs Comedy Club in San Francisco, and Punch Line Comedy Clubs in San Francisco and Sacramento. You can catch him at The Hollywood Improv.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (01:22):
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Speaker 3 (01:34):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
What's so? Everybody? History for foods. We're back and we're back.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
We're back and we've been back for a minute now. Dude,
will be consistent this time.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yes, we're not gonna talk about stuff that happened during
our week because usually by the time Sunday comes everything
we talked about really outdated.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
At this point. The world we're living in, it really is.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
That's the thing is this street is happening so fast
with us right now in our society that yeah, five
time Sunday comes around.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
Oh that's dope.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I like that.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
It's like a pistol.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
It is a pistol too, Chet, my friend, you know
what a tript on real trips.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
I see what she did there, I see what she
did there.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
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Speaker 5 (02:35):
Breaks.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh, shout out to Ratas and cellos ratas and which
means rats and heat. It's an all female punk man
out of New York City and most of the members
are from yea here and they have a big following,

(02:57):
a code following, and they're really hardcore punk rock man
and they put in a great show. By the way,
they opened up for me in San Diego. Look at
it it is And if you're there hardcore fans. They
have a song where they where they get everybody to
shake their body like this. They get the whole stage
going and then everybody goes.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Oh my god, that is Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
So they don't have a lead guitar. Is a lead
guitarist is replaced by a lead accord accordion player, So.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
They don't have a guitarist.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, the girl plays accordion and her sister sings, and
a girl one girl plays bass and the drums.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Okay, well I'm gonna have to listen to this, So
there they.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Go, mother badass man Rapta in Selos. Yeah, and the
drummer has left the band. They're gonna get a new drummer.
The drummer of she's retired from the band, left the
bank because she opened up a pizzeria.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Pop up whatever and then it got success.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
It got successful, she's gonna open up another one.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
So do you stay in the business or do you
go with the pizza company?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah? Man, and she's young, so you know, what what
a way to go out? Because they were performing at
the Patchango Arena with us the big show we had
and Patchango Arena originally used to be called the San
Diego Arena or San Diego Sports Arena or Convention Center
something like that. And guess who used to ned to

(04:30):
have concerts there? Wrestling and the the Clippers used to
play there.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Do you know one time? Clippers?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Bro, that's crazy San Diego Clippers.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
That's amazing. And you were talking about what a like,
what a great way to go out like by performing there? Bro.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
I remember when I was a kid, all the way
till I was a full on adult, I would go
watch my favorite bands play at the Warfield. And one time,
at the very beginning of when you started putting me
on with you, you booked me with you at the
Warfield and that was fucking one of the most amazing
feelings ever.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Was like and I like, I mean, I wasn't necessarily
the newest comic.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
I'd probably been in for about like nine or ten years,
but I'd never performed on anything like that ever in
my life and like being able to do and it
was a sold out Warfield as well.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh a badass.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
That fucking show was amazing, dude. That was one of
the best nights of my life.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
You know, how we thought about stand up comedy and
the world the history of stand up comedy and theaters, Well,
the Warfield Theater was none of those things, and they
actually take care of the performer there. The whole place
was lit up, there's video games, there's a random dog
walking around your Yah.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yeah, I sell all the videos I took from that.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
There's signatures all over from everybody, from like Jimmy Hendrix,
you know, to like the Grateful Dad. Like I mean,
these classic performers that like have autographed the walls there,
like are amazing. And then they showed me how the
old school heating system works because that theater is like,
you know, over one hundred years old. That was It

(06:12):
was just amazing though, because I'd seen like performer after
performer after performer there.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
You know, when I went to New York. I've been
to New York a lot of times, but I've never
been to New York in that part of the part
of the city in New York where the comedy Salary is. Yeah,
there's a lot of little theaters there, tell you on
a lot of the fas, a lot of the well
that's I think it's in Greenwich Village probably, so a

(06:39):
lot of those places that are that are there. That's
where the all the legends performed a bro like George Carlin,
right ja prior all those little areas that before they
were not really a comedy room. You would have to
share the the show with a poet. It was just
a random rum, that's where it was. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah, that's like kind of the period from Miss Mainswell
is when George Carlin started. It was like post Beatnick
kind of current Beatnik era where it was like poetry
kind of led to like this new form of stand
up comedy.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
You should do that one day. Man. The history of
how the beat Nicks came from somewhere, I don't know
where they came from, but the beat Nicks, it was
all like whatever progressed and you know why they do
this why the beat nicks because they will go to
do a go watch jazz performed why by black people, right,

(07:39):
And a lot of these places were not a place
where a black person and a white person could sit
in the same room, so it was more like a
speakeasy show before speak after like alcohol now that was legal,
but hanging being in the same room with white people
were not legal back then. Would have to be inside

(08:01):
of the room. And then the jazz will be playing, right,
so they don't they don't want to scream that they
were Yeah, they don't have a scream. They were having
a good time. So we'd have to clap like this.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
That's where the snapping comes from.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
They will clap with their fingers.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
Okay, that's where that comes from.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah. And also then later on it became when you
watch the jazz, you just clap like this just to
be nice, you know, because the weather playing.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
The snapping thing, Okay, that makes a lot of sense
now because you ever see people snap at your show
and I'm always like, why is this a fool?

Speaker 5 (08:36):
Snapping?

Speaker 4 (08:36):
You can clap because because they snapped during poetry, right, Yeah,
sometimes I'll see people being like that.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
See, that's that's that's the guy that overwhelmed by the show.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
Clap fucking clap. It's a comedy show.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Also, if you're holding your ear and clapping, you probably
be probably autistic. Well, I said you this video, I
wish you could play it of this white dude somewhere
in a wheelchair and he pretends to be mentally unstable.

(09:15):
Oh dude, he's killing it, killing it. He goes, how
are you anyway? He's like walking around like this in
a wheelchair, and the cameraman busted me. Ah, you busted me.
He goes, I made one hundred thousand dollars last year
hanging out like this. Whoa, he goes, I just got money. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
He acts slow, but he kind of like it's adorable
how dummy looks. And so you I could see it
because he's kind of like he looks innocent and then
he has like a doe.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
His face looks kind of empty, and he's like, I'm
just trying to grasp to my house somewhere.

Speaker 6 (09:56):
Long wait, some my man, people were giving you money.
And then the camera rolls up out of it and
he's all he almost went to do what He's all.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Right, you.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
Caught me. Oh, I'll send it to you right now.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I need money to I need money. But you know
how you know he has the words down like like
a normal person will say I need money for food.
He says I need money for eat.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Bro It's so yeah, there it is. You just send
it to me right now. Someone said it to me
earlier than Ray.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
If he was doing that to feed a son, he
has to actually like that, whether it's still being bad
or good. Wait what that guy had an actual son
that was distable who looked like that, and then you
were doing that to help to help him, and that
guy should vibe. But it'll still be bad or good

(10:56):
or people will look at people will be like this, motherfucker.
I think I'm making a living imitating his son.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
I think there are I said it to you, Ray,
I think there are some people who, Yeah, here it is.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's fun.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Sympathized with his wheelchair, his drawn hands, his story, ripped.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
At your heart, damn deep me money into Lexington.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Police say he's taken his act on tour of the
city to places like the Landsdown Shops, Hamburg and the
Zandale corridor of Nicholasville Road. We busted this bogus beggar
right outside the police department, just minutes after a press
conference about it.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
I appreciate you guys busting me.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
I'm really good at it, really good.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
I clear about one hundred thousand dollars a year doing this.
You're about sixty two hundred. My big bee boy, I'm
just playing. I gotta go, y'all, gotta make some money.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
He was back at it again.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Why they came in for chances?

Speaker 6 (11:59):
Are you.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Bless that guy? Bro?

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Make your money, Helmie.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Imagine if you were black, how much and worry would
have been in those comments. Oh my god, Bro, dude,
this guy is because see that guy thought they're baking
Bro and Connie connye white people. But that ship doesn't
even have as much hate as they should have, you know,

(12:26):
because the chubby guy.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Go back to the comments. Can you show it again?
Just ordered my wheelchair off Amazon I started.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
I believe this more than Katie Perry on Astronaut.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Dude, I swear to god, the comments are the best
comics in the world, dude.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Best. But you have to you have to. But but
it's funny when a guy makes a comment like that
and gets what fifty five thousand views likes you O day,
and then it's got really think he made it, bro.
And then he goes out there and does stand up
and bothering him and then people, and then he puts
it up. I knew you were a one liner. Wonder

(13:17):
do you know.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
I'll be honestly, I've never gotten that many likes on
a comment I have.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
I have likes bro on that. Remember that Charlie White
whatever his name, that black dude. He always hates selling
all the black people. He was, man, I wish a
motherfucker would film me getting my ass beat. I will
kill everybody recording afterwards. Okay, he was, man, I've done

(13:45):
sued so many jobs. I'm calling O shan people.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Oh that guy, I remember that guy.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, Bro, he said that he went into a job
or everybody was talking about the girls they had sex
and that before. And I told him, listen, man, can
be having be working with you while you're having that's
have a conversation here. Because I went to the supervisor,
I sed to listen to many mothers hr hryea, and
they're talking about having sex here having sax that man.

(14:15):
They laughed at me. All right, I started recording the
conversation called Osha got it for ten geez.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah, that guy made his money by like just writing
everybody out.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
So bro, my comment was, Man, this guy's a real
undercover brother A hundred thousand. And I have another one, bro,
where a girl says, this guy asked this girl, what
are you guys? What are you like to or cardinal

(14:47):
Sada and I wrote something like that, right, Barbie kat
A hundred thousand?

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Nice?

Speaker 2 (14:57):
And then another one where there's this kind of a
lowrider and then the fucking one of the the tired
pops okay, and I said, that's me when I jump.
But the best one I ever heard, bro, where remember
that that video where the Jamaican girl gets slapped by

(15:19):
that real tall black dude with a weird hat and
a bar.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Bro He slapped the slap herd across the world.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah. So man, so she's telling men what soo yo
yo yo man, your your your jack is out of style,
yo yo yo yo jacket is outdated. That's some guy
that in the bag of how about you with your
toest And she wants to attack that guy and she
starts sucking with that guy and I started finding right,
So then she slaps, she slaps that guy two times

(15:51):
and he ignores the first one right, But then the
second one she opened her face and try to punch him,
and he turned around and smacked the ship out of
her bro and then the whole and he fought the
whole subway. Yeah that's rough, you thought, everybody in the subway. Yeah, dudes,
the dudes that got into because the dude that were
making fun of her, there were a bunch of group

(16:12):
of people recording and now they're all friends. So the
guy comment to that girl.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
That he slapped her in fucking into the next century.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
But the comment that got the most livee bro, that
killed me with this one man, he slapped that base
so hard that she went back in time to where
that jacket was in style and came back talking. Ship
got slapped back again. This picture stuck in a loop.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
That's good, dude.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
That one's good, dude.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
The comments are always That's one thing is they're the
best comedians ever did.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Comments are so good in certain things. I'm just not
good at comments.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I guess she slapped the black off him and the
landled of the mother guy and that guy got acceded.
Any shot by a cop outside that's how bad she
got slapped.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
She got slapped.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
See, I can't do it, dude, already, because in my
mind I'm already saying something that's even inappropriate for YouTube.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
She gotta be like, she gotta, you gotta find the
right word, bro. She got slapped so hard, Bro.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
She gotta slapped back into slavery.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
She got back, She got but she gonna, but you
gotta say it like she got back. She gotta slap
back into slavery, right, and then made it back to
the reconstruction era. I got hung outside by a tree
for for for flapping a white lady in public.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
She got slapped back into another dimension where Abraham Lincoln
was okay with.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Slavery, a good one. See. Yeah, she got slapped so hard,
bro that the subway turned into the underground railroad and
she was chilling with nayak A by the little river.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
She got slapped.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
So she got slapped so hard, bro that she went
back into a time and then came back a better
person and offered that guy money to buy a new jacket.
Turn to the nicest one, bro, and lets it will
still be funny. She got so she gotta slap so

(18:53):
hard that she came back and recarnated as an old
white lady that offered man, that man some Chaine for
a new jacket.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
She got slapped so hard she got you know, she
got slapped back into her doctorate's degree.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
She didn't shurg you right now that we are quiet,
people don't know what we're talking about.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
No, yeah, this is what we do though, Like like
this is this is truly the podcast because.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Hey, back in the history for Fool's history on dueling,
back in the days like what we're talking about, No,
you coulda get away with slapping somebody like that in public.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Well you could, Well you're gonna be a consequence.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, but if you were if you're a gentleman on
those days, like a man who own property, Like I'm like.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
You're talking about throwing down the gaunt lit.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
No, like someone slapping somebody like that, like you're in
a heated argument and lead to death.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Well that's the thing in a in a so like
depending on what we're talking about, because like we talked
about dueling, and so when I went and did the research,
dueling has been happening.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
I'm talking about like if somebody can slap like that
in the nineteen eighteen hundred.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
Okay, so that's okay. So we're talking about it disrespect
like that. Yeah, then you're talking about disrespect in an
eighteen hundred, So.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
That would never happen.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
What would happen is I would walk over and I
would drop my hat in front of you, or in
France terms, which is throw down the gauntlet. I would
throw my glove down and be like, I'm insulted by
what you said. I'd challenge you to a duel.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
So that's where, well, I have to watch bugs bunny right,
and something will take on it. I don't know where,
take on a white to white gloves and slap them
with it. And the slap. Of course, you know there's
mean war if you slap someone like that. Even back
then or starting right now. Huh, the dude was on, bro,

(20:55):
you can't be doing nationally well.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
So the slap signified now.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
So the garnlet was like, I'm challenging you to a duel,
and then we would go and plant it and then
you would have to use what was called a second
like you but but it was slapman but jeels.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
But I'm talking about like the before you get to
the dueling there was so many process to get there.
The slap was like, right now, bro, how about there
a hand shape with a spit, let's do it now.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
No, that was a deal.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
That was more of like let's make a deal, but
the slap was like, so the slap was like, let's
get it on right now. Though, So let's say it
was we were swordsmen and I walked over and I
was insulted by you, and I said, how dare you
say that to me?

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Was?

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Did you when you were talking about that reading about it,
you get to a part where there something on their shoulder.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
To let them know that it was time to duel.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
No, but do you remember that? Like I know another
they're like dueling, you're gonna have either a sword fight
or you're gonna shoot up a pistol. But but there
was other stuff that people did, like I'm telling HI about,
like to start a fight. Did you ever get into
a fight with somebody or they will put something on
their shoulder and they knock it off the fight starts.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
Yes, yeah, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
You remember that? Yeah? Yeah? My friend, my friend Joelo,
he was in the GM BRO at our park and
he put a colder on his shoulder and he told
his black dude to knock it off, motherfucker, and food
just tossed it off. Bo.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
He punted a ship out of him right when he
did that, right when he did that. Some I wonder
where that came from. I'm that but I never but
I didn't find anything in my reading about.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, but that's that's that's, that's nothing I remember. Man
like wait to start a fight or or another one
was another one that initiated a fight was somebody will
grab a sword or a stick and they'll put a line.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Over you and go, I'll dare you across that life. Yeah,
that will start a fight. That would also start a fight.
But those were instantaneous, and those weren't necessarily considering.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
They were, but they were all started by an insult,
right and and so could have been like I'm calling
somebody in America. You caught someone a slave, it's arm
That was like an insult because I would lower the
lower the law.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
You're talking about honor, And the thing was is that honor.
What's weird, bro, is that we talk about how the
Chinese are doing this weird new thing with social credit.
But social credit was a thing back in the eighteen hundreds.
It wasn't like a what's up, Felipe, you want to fight?
You're like, nah, I'm cool.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
Oh you're a bitch, you know. And then that's how
it is.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
Like it was like, bro, if you turned down a duel,
you would lose your honor. Now, when you were born,
you were born with your honor. If you were a rich,
aristocratic nobleman, you were born. Whether you're a bad person
or not, it was your honor. But it was your
honor to defend forwards and backwards.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Which reminds me, bro, when I'm went to the orgy
and there was a judge there staring at my lady
and just said, your honor. That's not.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
I mean, we're like your no, you're a noble honor.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
So like, but if you if you lost your honor,
you could get kicked out of your family, you could
be denied voting rights, you could be if you were
a king, you would be your nobility would be taken away,
Like you could go to jail if you lost your honor.
So like, honor was a big deal back then, Like
it was more than just like oh man, now, huh,

(24:37):
honor doesn't mean ship now bro.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
But back then, if I threw down the gauntlet on you.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well, explain to people what does that mean to throw
down the gauntlet?

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Well, that was the garntlet is a glove and and
so I would take my glove off. So this was
early during the sword You put it.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
On your top hat and hand it over.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
What No, I throw it down at your feet and
I go, I challenge.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
You to a duel. Would you pick it up again
or do you leave it there?

Speaker 4 (25:03):
You would pick it up, yeah, because you're picking up
the challenge and then we and then you get and
then by the rules of So there are several rule makers,
but the final rule makers and overall, especially for pistols
and swords was the.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
Was the Irish and it.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Was called something Duello ever ridden down right here, uh,
Code Duello. And so the Code Duello had like all
these rules about dueling and that was the thing, man,
is like I would throw down the gauntlet and then
you would choose you could choose weapons and during this
during depending on what time of year or what time

(25:46):
we're talking about period, you know, if there was just
only swords, then you would choose which type of sword
you wanted to fight with, but when guns came into play,
the swords got a little bit better. And so because
like back then those are duels and and during me
but see now we're talking about what type of duels
because there's different types.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
So people.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
You want to talk about medieval and this is where
it started.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Was dueling started with lancers and lances on sitting on horses,
those guys with those.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
That a duel that was actually a sport event.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
That was not that was I mean it was a
sporting event later, but it was a beef. It was
a beef that was settled in front of people. So
back in the medieval times, like duels, all all the
duels and everything, those were called judicial duels, and those
were all based on like I, hey, Felipe stole two
of my goats, and in order and import of you,

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in order for you to deny it and be like no,
I didn't fucking prove it, bitch, it would be it
would be on we'd have a duel, and and they
called it a judicial duel because God would decide are
also trial by fire, and it was like God would
decide who who was right if Felipe didn't steal my

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goats Felipe would win. If Filipe didn't steal my goats,
I would win. And that was like started with lances
and it was noblemen. And that was the thing is
at that time, only noblemen could fight, you know, and
so you would have like swords, you have knights, you'd
have guys with the lances. But this is what ended
up turning into dueling with pistols. Like the history of

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dueling literally started in this period of time. But that
and that's the thing is is is we go through periods.
Each period and why we duel was different. Like by
the time we get to the eighteen hundreds, you know,
we're talking England and France would only use swords close swords. Yes,
those guys are very close Americans literally we'd only use

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guns and swords by the time we got to those
that was about honor and a lot of times, man,
it would just be like if you show up and
I show up, that might be it was just about
showing up.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
Like it would be like, let's say you were like,
I think, butch is not a good time.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I was like when somebody will tell you, bro, you
know what, meet me after school at the park.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Yes, and if you didn't show up. It would happened
in school if you didn't show up, bitch. But imagine
if your whole fighting bear that their whole lives.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
So you have to people remember that ship for the
rest of their lives. Bro.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
People, Oh dude, you're it's like, like I said, it's
a it's a social credit. Like you you could not
you could lose your vote, your right to vote. You
could like you could be abandoned by your family, you know,
like it was a big deal if you didn't show
up to a duel. But at that time, it was honor.
For that time, it was honor. During medieval times, it

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was about right or wrong and what God wanted, you know.
And then during the middle of that, you know, because
the French is like were it really started, was like
they would fight with swords and and then that was
that's where the honor thing started. There's this one story

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about these two guys that were in Napoleon's army. One
was part of a Napoleon's army and the other one
was with the French Republic, and it was two different
militaries that were fighting for the same thing. The guy
makes and dude, there's so many instances where some dudes
just being a little bitch about things. This guy makes
fun of his hat ribbon and he and he gets

(29:32):
upset about it, and so they they decide to get
into a beef over it and then fucking.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
The guy the guy camp. The guy keeps disarming him
with his.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Sword, and so he goes, you know what, dude, I
could fucking beat you, but this is not how we
do it. So they decided to tie their left arm
behind their back, get in a carriage, and fucking stab
each other with a dagger until someone eyes and then
like one dies, but the other guy survives only for

(30:05):
like another few hours and then he dies over a
fucking hat ribbon. But that happens a lot of It's
like oh my lady, your lady, stuff like that, you know,
but depending on what time of era with with era
we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Also, also one on one challenge could be like a
dueling thing. Huh, that is what would do was but
it was because then his the gangs in New York
when was the name calls him a bag of bond.
Remember yes, he calls him.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
He calls him a sizzle fiddling bends.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
You know. The couple of fiddling bends. If I knew
what that was, I would be insulted. But I didn't
know what that is. Now it would have come a swindler.
We would have had business, right, well, you are a
fucking swindler. And if we take stuff his coat and
it's on and then they go like that, they like
that because that's that's a challenge right there, that's a duel.

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If that guy would have not put his arm up
after calling him a swindler, they played with everybody jumped
him and kicked him out of the bar. Huh.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Yeah, they would have like everybody right, yeah, exactly, And
and so.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
He had to meet the challenge, right right, he had.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
To meet the challenge.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
And if he wouldn't meet seeing that, and then they
have a guy that's making music now and.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Then everybody start making bets and yeah, they're making bets.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
To of the Yes, oh yeah totally. I think in
this scene you see people pull money out, but I'm
not sure you do.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
See, they make bets because it was on your honor
was always at risk.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
You had.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
And then so those guys, and that's actually really period
correct because those guys couldn't afford guns, guns were expensive
and not swords. Swords were way more expensive than so
that was the thing was that most people weren't having
duels except for like royals and nobles.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
Till guns came around. Then guns kind of like made
it a little easier.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
For when they were dueling, whether to the death or
and then when when when I'm not talking on the pistols,
we're still on the swords. Sure, because then I know
that the dueling become later on a sport called fencing.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Yes, yes, that sort of doing because I.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Know that and like in like in in pistols dueling,
you you stand a certain way to shoot. And I
noticed that in fencing the sword is also held the
same way as a gun as as not straightforward like this,
but sideways and and and it's dueling sideways to the

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show people doing of the sword the sword sideways too.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Yeah, well that's as they had. That's how they fenced.
Fencing was how they actually fought real sword battles.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Because as anybody goes up for you're dead right.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Well, you're exposing all your vital parts if I'm if
I'm fighting you from this way, which actually also leads
to guns as well.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
So if I'm that's like old school nights. But if
you can go to like.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Uh, let's say, like, uh, look up fighting with rapiers.
But when I'm doing this and with the same with
the guns, I'm defending myself by by going sideways. So
now my hand my armbones are blocking my heart.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
And my lung area.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
So it was tactical. When you see swords and guns,
actually swords. I know you're asking just for swords, but
it leads to guns because when you look at old
gunfights as well, they're like this a lot of times,
and they're shooting side ways because your vital areas are
this way, you know, or back here, so your heart's
here and then you got at least one lung back here.

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But yeah, as you see they're they're going they're not
facing each other broadway. And then plus it allows them
to move, you know, I'm sure, tactically back and forth,
so they could like circle each other instead of.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Pretty sure the price of a sword was more expensive
than the prize of a gun.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Now huh even now, well, I don't know, I'm pretty
sure you're thirty eight in the streets real cheap.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
But you can get a good ass sword in the streets.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
Well, the technology to make metal swords now is much easier.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
No, No, what I'm comparing asking you, is the price
of a sword back then, back then eighteen hundred was
more expensive than the price of a gun now.

Speaker 5 (34:50):
Absolutely, absolutely because it was hard.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
But absolutely there was Like if you're a blacksmith, I
mean your dad was a blacksmith, that was your uncle
a blacks man. To make a sword, you never removed
bat of being a blacksmith. Huh right, So to.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Make a sword you had to sit and fucking pound
and rotate and pound and then bring gloves and then
and then to make a gun, you're molding and you're
just fastening things together, shaving off little bits here and there.
Guns were way more cheaper to make for years, for
years than swords. It probably isn't until even the last

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maybe twenty thirty years that guns are cheaper than swords.
Like that's how like like recent we're talking, because swords
be making a good sword even now. Like there's very
few great katana makers in Japan, So I'm sure if
you buy a real like made katana by a craftsman,

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it's gonna cost you more than a Springfield ar fifteen
so you're saying.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
So you're saying, like when you when you shoot like that,
huh so rizzo marchin rizzo dueling or a gun againso
Torres but will have no chance, but his story.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Will Martin would have a better chance of living than
there's actually a fat there's a fat senator who is
like his his. So when you go to go in
a duel, you have to have a second meaning, you
have to have someone that's gonna speak for you, talk
for you, try to actually talk the other guy down,

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and then he's also gonna check to make sure that
the gun works works on that guy's side on your side. Right,
the seconds go and they compare bullets and everything. But
this this guy's second goes, hey, you should shoot this way,
and he goes, I'm fucking fat. Either way, I'm I'm
gonna like be exposed. I'm gonna be exposed, so I
might as well. And he did get hit, but the

(36:48):
bullet didn't penetrate, so that guy survived. That was Senator Fox.
I can't remember like eighteen forties, but yeah, you you
wanted to protect yourself the other thing as well as
Andy before you came in the percentage of dying in
a duel from swords from the sword from the rapier

(37:10):
sword fighting French aristocrat to the late eighteen hundreds is
when we stopped, it was three percent. Your chances of
dying was three percent because one, you're shooting with mostly
smooth board weapons, meaning it wasn't smooth board met the

(37:31):
bullet just shot out. And then you have like you know,
you have the twisted board, like that twist in the
side of the gun that makes the bullet go this way,
which makes it more accurate, it makes it spin. But
when the bullet's just coming out, it's catching air and
it can go any direction. And a lot of times
you'll see guys like this in videos are in like

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pictures and they're turning their heads.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
That's in the rules as well. You aim, you turn
your head, and you shoot.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
And so because again the idea, the purpose of dueling
was not to kill your opponent.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
The purpose was to like, hey, Bro, I showed up
to let you know, I'm not a fucking liar, So
don't call me a fucking liar about Hamilton and burd Bro.
That is that fool shot of the air, Bro, Do
you want to know this is the bro this is
one of the what I read, Yes, go for it,
and I'll tell.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
You Burr right, because I have one it's Burr and
with her name it's it's Aaron. And so you go
ahead and tell me what is Alexander Hamilton. I have
a twist that'll make you go no fucking way, because.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
That really what I found out that it was. It
was vice one of them was the vice president. Yeah,
that president, and he was both to get the backing
from Hamilton to to to run for president president the president,
and then later on Hamilton he got he met a
couple of other people that said, now, don't right, and
then he said all right, So they fought burd Fall

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really disrespected, right.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
And that's the thing at that time when Jefferson became president,
he hated Burr. Burr was his running his was his opponent.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
And and back then when you got voted in, you know,
let's say me and you were running against each other,
you won, I got second. Guess who's your VP?

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Me?

Speaker 4 (39:18):
And that's how Aaron Berg became vice president. But if
you want to back it up a little bit, there's
a little history to these two guys, Aaron Burr and
Alexander Hamilton were actually.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
Really good friends.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Federalist right, yes, yeah, one was.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
A federalist and the other one was, uh, what was
the opposite of that? But actually they didn't have They
didn't have that beef until the way later. They were
in the same regiment before, and they and Alexander Hamilton
and another guy were about to get into a duel.
Alexander Hamilton calls his brother in law, who owns these
two dueling guns, and he says, I want to fucking

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kill this guy, so please bring the guns. And then
his second shows up, right, Alexander Hamilton second shows up.
Alexander Second finds out that Alexander Hamilton and this other
guy that they're about to beef with have a mutual friend,
and he calls in the mutual friend to brokerr the
peace between the two of them. That mutual friend is
Aaron Burr. Okay, So when Alexander Hamilton's keep in mind,

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Alexander Hamilton's brother shows up with the guns, right, it
all breaks off cool, they leave whatever. Years later, Alexander
Hamilton's son, here's someone talk another lawyer talking about his.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
Dad, so he challenges him to a duel. He calls
up Alexander Hamilton's brother in law with those two guns.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
And decides to have a duel. He dies, He gets
killed by that other attorney with those guns. Now I'm
using all this set something up years later when you
have the Alexander Hamilton Aaron Burr shootout, those two guns
come back and those are the guns that kill Alexander Hamilton. Okay,
now this is how it went off, because this is

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where it gets interesting. Alexander Hamilton shoots first. He shoots
above Aaron Burr's head, Okay, which usually signifies a lot
of times guys would show up and go, let's just
shoot over each other's heads so that we don't kill
each other.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
We shout up for the duel.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
So many times guys would chicken out and go, let's
just shoot over each other's Alexander Hamilton shoots over his head.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
Aaron Aaron Burr.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Shoots next and shoots Alexander Hamilton in the chest and
kills him. There's now there's all kinds of speculation that happens.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
This is what I read about that. Okay. What happened
was that that what's the name? Later on and everybody
saw that he shot in the air and the intention
were not to kill him, and then that guy ended
up killing him, and then get the other guy gets
charged for death murder.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
Yeah, he gets acquitted a year later, or he gets.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Out of jail a year later, and he's done politically.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Politically, and then even though he gets accused of being
a trader. Now there's more to Aaron Burr's story if
you want to hear that later, and I'll tell you
about that. But this is where it gets interesting. So
a lot of people there was a letter written by
Alexander Hamilton that some people say was fake because he
confessed in the letter that he was going to shoot

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over Aaron Burr's head. Also, the reason why shooting over
someone's head is uh is is because you had a uh, okay,
go for it, because you had a hair trigger okay.
And and they think, well maybe he had a like
he he let the trigger go too quickly. So the

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story goes by. Everybody thinks that Alexander Hamilton was doing
the right thing right by shooting in the air over
his head. Those guns get donated to a church. The
church sells those guns off to to Manhattan Bank, which
ends up being Chase Manhattan Bank coincidentally owned by are

(43:08):
started by Aaron Burr, but now the bank owned so
to this day, Chase Bank owns those guns in the seven.
In nineteen seventy three, the Smithsonian asked to see those
guns so they can inspect them. Upon inspection, they found
that one of the guns had a trigger.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
And you can look this up on Google.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Everybody could look this up, because I know there's a
lot of people who know about this shooting but don't
know this part and are gonna be like, Butcher's full
of shit. The Smithsonian found that on one of the
guns you could push the trigger forward and it made
it a hair trigger. And so they believe that belief
goes too because the guns were owned by the Hamilton family.
That Alexander Hamilton was trying to cheat and when he

(43:47):
shot up in the air, he just fucked up.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
There's the I was trying to kill Burr.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Yeah, he meant to kill him, and he meant to
kill him vast but he forgot that he had either
had a hair trigger or didn't know how like hair
it was, and fired it. There's a guy if you
look on Google, Bill Burke. Oh, Bill bur Aaron Burr,
Aaron Hamilton. Erin Burg killed Hamilton, but Hamilton fucked up,
And there's a lot of speculation after nineteen seventy three, during.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
That in special he shot in the air by accident.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
He shot me.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
There's now at first, for the longest time history believed
that he shot in the air to spare Aaron Burr's life.
But now gun experts who examine who know about guns,
and then the gun that was examined, believed that actually
Alexander Hamilton, if he knew about that that hair trigger,
he was he was attempting to cheat and the gun
went off on accident. So did you read about Andrew

(44:46):
Jackson's Yeah, a little bit. That fool was a bastard,
bro Like, I've heard a lot of bad things about
this guy, Like they didn't even really like him that much.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
But he has like over one hundred duels were he
he well, he just loves shooting people.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, just a bad guy.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
Yeah, So there's that guy, right, dude. There's so many
good duels.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
The worst one I saw was dueling Banjos. So just.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
That's all we have now.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
But just just just to finish off the whole thing
with Aaron Burr that I wanted to share was that
I don't as I read into this story, I don't
think Aaron Burr was as bad as as we thought
he was. He was the one of the first people
to try to get women to vote. He brought in
He also brought the first legislation trying to get rid
of slavery. He was like a very progressive guy. And

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he was also the first politician. He was the first
guy to like go out and hand out pamphlets and
like pay for events for people to come and so
he could talk to them about running. You know, he
kind of invented politics, if you will.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Campaigning. Huh.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
But there's there's a few famous duels. Yeah, he was
the first guy to do campaigning. My favorite one outside
of the Burr was these two guys.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
Let me see if I can fucking find the names
of them, so you guys can look it up.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Gunslingers were kind of dueling too, right when I challenge
somebody outside.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Okay, So the Old West duols are a big myth.
There's only one real substantia. There's only a couple of cases,
and one of the most substantial ones was the wild
Bill Hitcock and Wild Bill Hiccock versus Dave Tutt in
eighteen sixty five and for Springfield, Massachusetts, were.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
This guy.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
He loves like wild Bill Kitcock loses all this money
to this guy. This guy's already fucked wild Bill Hitcock's girl,
and wild Bill has to hand over his famous pocket
watch and he tells the guy, don't you fucking wear
that in public.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
Or I'll fucking kill you. And wild Bill Hitcock is
are the guy.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Davis Tutt says, I'm gonna were tomorrow in public, come
find me. And then so that's when wild Bill Hickock
goes out and they meet up in public.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
And he kills and a square off like real rules.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
It was one of the only duels in the wild
Wild West that actually happened. And the one that makes
it so miraculous, and why wild Bill Hiccock is so
famous is because he shoots him from seventy five yards away.
So if you can imagine a football field, take twenty
five yards off of that football field, and he shot
that guy square in the fucking face from seventy five

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yards away.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
That's like amazing, right.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
The one I read that book, I was reading The
Hairs of the founders. They talk about this other due
that happened between Clay and Randolph. Okay, Henry Clay, he
was part of the America before like it's called the

(47:54):
Harrors of America, the other people that became that were
party in government after Washington and all those people. And
although duel here it is Henry Clay and Randolph duo.
Although dueling was illegal in Virginia, Secretary of State Henry
Clay challenged US Senator John Randolph of run Out. Clay

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called Randolph out to defend his honor after random insulted
him in a speech on the Senate floor, Randolph confided
to Senator Thomas hart Benton of Missouri that he had
no intention of hurting Clay, who was married and had
a child. The duo took place on April eighth, eighteen
twenty six, a half a mile north at Pymit Run.

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Both first shots missed their intended targets. Clay's second shot
also missed, and Randolph raised his pistol and fired in
the air. The duel then ended, and the unheard adversaries
met each other half way and shook hands. Yeah, yeah,
the guy missed, And then like I said, boom, it's

(49:01):
over right.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
And that's the thing is that happened a lot. There's
one duel in Canada that happened were the Seconds right
last minute. This one was like these guys were out
for blood.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
These guys wanted to kill each other, and somehow the
Seconds were able to negotiate it that they walked up.
This is the most polite duel you'll ever hear about
the Seconds world up. Then, so the duel was this,
the two dueling parties had to walk up, shake each
other's hand and then say I'm sorry and then immediately
forgive each other.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
And that's what they fucking Canada, right. But you want
to hear, you want to hear the most bizarre one.

Speaker 6 (49:34):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Henry Clay fought in two duels. One duel was Senator
John Randolph in eighteen twenty six and the other one
was then an Ashland lextatim back. There was serious, I guess.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
Huh, oh, it was super serious.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Could I imagine, bro legend there was a speech this
is the Senate floor that dude doesn't speech insults Henry Clay.
Right now President Biden is talking Margaret Taylor Green. He
was some bullshit insults him, right, technically they could have

(50:11):
had a duel.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
They could have had a duel.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
He could he could have challenged her and said, I
don't know the way you were disrespecting me like this
in front of the second floor, or any president, not
just Biden Obama or President Trump. You know, somebody has
out some bullshit. That's a problem. Bro, You get rid
of dueling people, forget that, you got to respect the

(50:34):
Capitol floor.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Well, it got out of control during the eighteen sixteen
twenty four Missouri politics.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
You know what, you know what where they were like,
you know what replaced dueling Philip bus stream, Bro, I'm
just talking for nineteen hours about bullshit, right right right?

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Kind of somebody could he shut up.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
There's no real laws that got.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Rid of dueling.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
It was just that it kind of got ridiculous and old.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
And people were like, just like slavery just became old.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
Well, during the eighteen sixteen to eighteen twenty four Missouri
politics run, they were killing each other over and over again.
It wasn't even let's run against each other. It was like,
we're gonna run against each other. But then they start
talking shit about each other. Then they challenge each other
to a duel and then they go out and kill
each other. And that happened for a while till like

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the United States had to put a stop to it.
Like that's kind of when it ended, was like because
because that's one of the reasons why it ended was
because of that.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
There were these two guys.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Grand Grand Jamma was so stupid. She was in a
dueling fight with a person with a woozy.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
And she had the butter knife.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Um, she had the fuck is platoon Senior.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
Grand Prix versus Senior Grand Deep Peak in eighteen oh eight.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
To the Tooth that happened in Mexico in tet Peak.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
These two men decided that they were two no pun
intended above fighting on ground, so they decided to get
in hot air balloons and duele each other from the air.
And the first guy so they get their seconds, right,
Let's say, like you get you know, and you're dueling
each other, and my friend here, Ray is my second,

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and he goes with over to your second, and you guys.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Figure out how to do all the pistols and everything.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
You climb back into my hot air balloon, your second
climbs into his, and we go up in the air. Well,
let me see the peak shoots at fucking Grand Prix,
and missus grand Prix takes his gun and shoots the hot.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Air balloon.

Speaker 5 (52:49):
And the fucking guy and his second just dropped to
the earth and into a house and they're.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Dead, you know. But yeah, like fair Huh was that
a fair fight? That was a fair fight. That was
a duel?

Speaker 5 (53:02):
Yeah, dude, no one said you can't shoot the fucking balloon.
That's that one. So that one was that was one
of the Abraham.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Lincoln got into it with a guy named Jane Shields
and they started arguing. And Abraham Lincoln's tall as fuck.
He's huge, and actually for that time he's like he's
like like the average person is, like, you know, is
a short would be short compared to me and you
and we're like six to one. I don't know if

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you're a six two year little taller than me. But
Abraham Lincoln's huge. And this guy challenges him to a duel.
And part of the rules of challenging to a duel
is if I challenge you to a duel, you get to.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Pick the weapon.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
So Abraham Lincoln picks a broad sword, which is like
a huge sword. This guy can't even lift this thing.
And Abraham Lincoln comes running at him and he fucking slashes,
but he slashes above him and cuts the limb off
of a tree, and the guy ships his pants and
it's like, I don't want anymore any issues of public apology.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
The next day to Abraham.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Lincoln fucking four scorns. But they would do a dually match,
whether the they tap the guys the two people have together.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
Yeah, yeah, those those happened quite often.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Women and men in the medieval times if they wanted
to get a divorce, they would have to duel about
it and the man because there was an offset, you know,
there was a bit of a handicap there, you will.
They would dig a hole and the man would have
to be waist deep in the hole with his sword,
and the wife had a bag of rocks, and.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
And he fought to the death. Medieval motherfuckers like she
would just beat you with a bag of rocks. I'll
pick a lightsaber, bro.

Speaker 5 (55:06):
What other ones did I have?

Speaker 4 (55:07):
I wrote down a bunch of good ones that were
like Jesus Christ, I can't believe. I can't believe, like
that's childress is Lincoln grandpe versus the peak.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
Hat ribbon.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
How about will people do over wives or girlfriends or
a girl? They saw on the street.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
All the time, so there was always like, oh, you
were dancing with that girl. I wanted to fuck with
her first. Well, if you want to dance with her,
you better meet me out in the alleyway and have
a duel. These two guys actually got into it. Humphrey
Hayworth and Earl of Barrymore in eighteen oh six got
into a drunken dispute at a party at a racetrack

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the night before the race, and they decided to challenge
each other to a duel. And they were both members
of Parliament in England. So the next morning Hayworth shows
up completely buck naked to Hayworth shows up completely buck

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naked to the duel and it actually scared off the
other guy, And when asked why he showed up naked,
it was because most people who died from duels didn't
actually die from the gunshot wound.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
They died from the infection.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Of the dirty clothes that were caught by the ball
as it was going into your body. So he just
he knew that and he was he showed up naked idiot, idiot.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
The clothes were dirty high like these two pools were here.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
Oh yeah, okay, so this is I've seen this before.
It does it? Really?

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I don't get it.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
Let's see how they.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Write O'Neil.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
See how they duel.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Let's see if they do it according to what, because
they're supposed to be some sort of like how it's handled.
You know, you have your umpire, which is probably that guy.
Those guys behind him are probably what it's called the seconds,
and then there's a certain way that they're supposed to
hold the pistols, and then depending on what rules were enforced,
they might have to turn their heads that they.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
How about the one where only the one I knew
about do they was? Were they walk ten spaces? That's
and then turn around.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
So that's more of a myth that's happened, Like that
really happens.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Thinking like if you're somebody could to cheat and turn
around early.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Right, And so that's what the seconds were for.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
So my guy and your guy would go out to
the field and they would use their hats, which is
why another reason drop of the hat came around, and
they would like use their hats to mark off the territories,
and they would agree, Okay, we're we gonna do twenty
spaces and then we're gonna do ten spaces afterwards.

Speaker 5 (57:56):
So like at twenty paces, you.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Know, they walk it out and then they and then
you know, if it didn't work, we didn't shoot each other,
we'd go to ten spaces.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
There were one one game. There was one dueling game
where you could run up to a certain level and
run back and you could just like you know, move
around and shoot at each other. All of it though,
was over petty bullshit.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
And the thing that got it out oued over time
was that the military, because a lot of times duels
happened between allies. So I'd be a captain and you'd
be a general, and we'd have a disagreement about what
to do with our men, and it'd be like, well,
let's me and you go to a duel. Now the
military just lost either captain or general, you know, and

(58:39):
so that happened to way too many times that they
were just like, we can't have this happening anymore. And
then by the time the Wild West came around in America,
it was just too many people killing each other, and
you know, and then we'd have the Great Wars and
we'd have the like revolutionary wars, and by then people
were just kind of sick of killing each other. And

(59:00):
that kind of took the piss out of because again,
dueling wasn't about killing each other. It was about honor
and a lot of times guys would put the work, so.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
The funny man before it was about article, they want
to just go out there and fucking fight. Let's go
settle this right hand, Yeah, to handle his business right.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
And then and then it just turned into coward and
shooting each other.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
How many how many cheerleaders were on the wedge of
that duel? Are you gonna shoot that guy? One buddy?

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Well, that was the job of the second was and
like really because like in the rules it says the same.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
You never shot a gun before you get to a
chance to practice the night before.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
There was some guys that there's uh, there's a story
about one guy who has never shot a gun in
his life and he goes to face off with a
guy who did have all this experience and he Now
there's two different types of guns being used. There's percussion
caps and flintlocks. And we talked about this in our

(59:58):
history of guns. U flintlocks would fail in the cold
weather rain, right, but percussion caps had the fire inside
the little cap and you just place it over the
hammer and then boom.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
And so this guy goes to fight this.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
Dude who's a like straight up hardcore trained fucking killer,
but he's also.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
Very much about the old school rules.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
So he uses a flintlock versus the percussion, and the
guy with the percussion kills the guy with the flintlock.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
So happens happens all, and it happened a lot where
it was like more experienced guy, the guy talking shit,
being crazy. He was like, fuck, no, got killed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Bro, pitch you for a fool's big announcement. We're gonna
be a legion of skanks.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
Yes, dude, I can't wait.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Yes, we got invited to legion of skanks. You guys
so would It's not till November, so we got time.
I want to hear your suggestions. We're gonna come up
with our own.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Well, we don't even know how are they gonna be,
because I know it probably won't be a live show.
It would just be us instead of a little room.
That's what That's what I was told. Yeah, yeah, so,
but I'll be performing at the shows. I'm gonna be
doing spots. I'm probably gonna jump on other podcasts during
the while i'm there, and or list Baby will be

(01:01:19):
there for one day.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
There, one day I'll be hanging around. I might just
extend my ticket and just kick it and watch the
shows and stuff, because it'll be my first time in
New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Yeah, Bro, we'll get some bees.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
Let's fucking do that, Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
But you gotta you gotta go, Bro. I'll show you
exactly where if you if when you see, I show
you exactly where. I remember. I don't know we did
slavery before the actually market where the slaves arrived. It's
still there. Maybe that's something we can work on, because
I think I remember eating there. I was eating one

(01:01:54):
time there and and the guy goes, it was creepy
and quieter there night. Hell yeah, that's where the market was.
Then I looked at him Google bro, and then there's
a bunch of old drawings of a bunch of a
whole family of blacks lined up in chained Brother. They're like,
this one has big teeth, this one strong. So when

(01:02:18):
they got to New Orleans, they made the track to
Charleston bro walking bro.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
Yeah, yeah, like a huge migration. Yeah, they were't gonna
get those guys on horses or.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
I think their their their feet was pretty much paved roads.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
Yes, yes, isn't that crazy? Yeah, dude, that is it.
That's I've heard that. That and dead bodies, yeah, which
is what paved those roads. Like if someone died, they
would just leave them there and then the fucking cart
would go over them and all the blood, guts and
ship would like kind of help pave the glee to
pave the road.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
It's so crazy crazy, Yeah, dude, history for fools.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
Let's do this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Shoot your ass.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
I shoot your ass. I was actually, dude, if we
had time and actually you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Were I think we're talking about doing a Patreon or something.
But one of the things that I'm going to start
doing stuff like this, but I was going to bring like,
uh nerve guns and we would have a we would
have had a duel this morning, but uh Amazon would
have delivered it on time. Oh well, thanks for watching.
We love you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
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