EP 67 - The History of Pimps - History for Foos

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:00):
Here. Everyone welcome, bring all your books, history for food.
Be cool, baby, be cool baby. Before we started this
podcast about pimps, tell everybody know that right now, I'm

(01:24):
trying to be what's his name from the mac when
that hangs around with jer pryor I'm trying to be
a goalie. Baby. Just be cool, baby, Go give my
bitch he goes. Come on, mister Tony, you know the

(01:53):
name of the game. Your bitch chose me, and we
could handle this like gentlemen. We could get into some
gangster ship ship dude.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I grew up with that in my head always as
a kid.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I remember them watching pimps and movies and its and it's,
and it was always pretty much like they always portray
him like bad, especially clean Eatwood movie, you know Cwood movie.
I saw this pimp and I think he killed it
with woman, like he gave her acid, he ft her acid.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Jesus, Yeah, I mean I think inherently.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Or something, and I'm and I think it was a
pimp and good time, Lena, Is that a pimp? Yeah,
he got plentere, Lenny got Plentere.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
I don't remember like knowing he was a pimp. I
think I just was like, Oh, that's a smooth character
right there.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah. Do you ever did you ever ever see the
actual pimp? That's what I was going to ask you
to approached by. I was like, did you know pimps
growing up at all?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Or No?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I was approached by a pimp. Brocau was wearing Daisy
Dukes picking up something off the floor. I was, and Vicelia,
I just got I was doing a show. I was
coming from the show, and I guess this guy had
was picking up one of his hose out of the hotel,

(03:29):
right so he saw me. Man aymen, because you're looking,
he goes, and then he goes, man, you're funny. Man,
you're looking for fun He's like, I got my beach
covering right now, Man, you're gonna go at it.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yes, I've been approached by these guys before.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah. Man, So then I saw that. And one time
when I was in Monterey, California, I saw one black dude,
and they could tell you with a pimp. He was
walking with a one lady one ho in Monoey like
on Carmel Street.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
It's actually that's actually where they go over there. I
know that particularly because they know there. But but but
but thee has pimps and hose though it is.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
With this pimps. They were not dressed like like all
flashy mecs. They'll get caught. It would just dressed undercoverage.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Most pimps don't. Like when I lived in Oakland, I
would see the pimps drive by all the time because
I lived right off the track which is where the
are the whole stroll, which is where the women walk
up and down, And you would see him go by,
and you knew they were the pimps because they would
stop and like check on the ladies and wouldn't pull
them into the car or anything, you know, and there'd

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be some sort of exchange. And they did not look
at all like pimps. They just look like regular dudes,
you know, they just look like hommies.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
And that was like but because like I saw a
movie back in the day and like during like the
whole because you know, because there was a time when
there was like a like the pimp genre went through
different stages where when when there was in the seventies,

(05:12):
it was all goofballs, like the pimps were like they
made him look like hugy bar like friendly and jokingly
and you know, but then later on the nineties they
became like a motherfucker real diylish right.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah. And when I was so late nineties, early two thousands,
I was bartending at a bar called the Caravan in
downtown Santa's. This is probably like my most like, oh,
this is a pimp I'm dealing with, you know situation,
because I mean, I'm sure we've all walked by pims.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Hold on, man, you have no vision.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
No vision, Okay, let me try to restart this with
some vision. Imagine you're in downtown Santa and there's this
bar that looks like it's been stuck in the seventies forever,
and it's filled with like old businessmen in the early

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evening before the more popular younger people come in. And
this lady who came in one night with like four girls,
four pretty girls. And this lady you could tell like
she had like tattoos under her eyes and like, you know,
shit on her neck, dude. You could tell she'd been
through it. And she comes over and she like goes, hi,

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my name is Lady Sons. I don't even remember, bro.
And she had a hundred dollar bill in her like
between her hand like that, and she did this and
she like grabbed my hand and gave me the hundred
and she's all me and my friends who are just
gonna hang out for a while. And I'm like right
in the way, and You're like, oh, fuck, bro, this
is like a situation, like this is a pimp situation,

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you know. And I'm twenty two, twenty three. I was like, yeah,
go for it, dude. And she came in for like
two or three weeks. Never saw her again after that.
That's my closest, like, that's the only pimp like I've
ever really met met. I wasn't pimping. She was pimping
in my bar. Oh she had you a cut. She

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gave me a hundred bucks every time she came in.
Did not say anything. I didn't know, I'll be honest,
not because I didn't know what the fuck that. Like,
Like I knew pimping was pimping, but I didn't realize
the ramifications at the time or what could have happened
or whatever. I just was like, holy shit. And this
bar is like a sleezy like which is like our
favorite sleezy bar, but like in the morning to the

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late afternoon. Man, the people that would come in there, dude.
But yeah, that was the closest I ever came. But
I never talked to her, asked her her name or
you know, it was like who are these ladies? I
just was like, all right, they were pretty and they
would like she had a van she had pulled up
in like remember those astro vans back in the day,

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are those big conversion vans. Yeah, she would pull up
in that. She was a lady. Dude, she was straight
up a woman. She wasn't. It wasn't a man pimp.
That was like, for sure a woman pimp.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
It's crazy, man like like the there's always been pimping, right,
like pimping since day one, and there's always been prostitute
since day one. Because they said like prostitutions like the
older profession, and I guess pimping must be the second
older profession. Yeah, that's kind of like, you know, we

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just top acknowledge here, motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
We could compare it to pirates when it was like
as soon as the boat was created, the pirates, like
a pirate was created, like it came right after, you know,
like you can't have one with out the other parent.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
The first time somebody like we bent to the radio,
somebody threw that shit in a bathtub or somebody, so
that human beings were known to you, human beings were
known to use any type of weapon, any type of

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invention on a live somebody.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
We will totally do that. Yeah, human beings are ruthless,
so that way due we are definitely like like like, oh,
this thing that I could listen to commercials and people say, God,
I wonder I could kill someone with it? Like fuck
for real, dude, how fucking dark is that? They're like,
when did we discover that you could do that?

Speaker 2 (09:25):
That's like that's when when the radio became loud enough
to put carry in your hands because that radio was
so heavy back then. But I shouldn't been carried a lot.
I'm small enough to put on your desk, how long? Like,

(09:46):
how are you?

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Dudes? You think like dropped it in the tub when
their wife was in there and was like, yeah, she
just wanted.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
To listen to the radio. Toaster, you know a toaster? Bro,
The toaster is crazy, dude, that's pretty much think about
it best. Somebody said that's invent to make toast, and
then some guy said, nah, let him bent that. Just
throw in a bath too, Stop having a bubble bath.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
That's such a dude, Like, that's such a fucked up
item to use too. It's just a toa. It makes
toes instant alive, instant out alive. Like, Bro, you're dude.
If a toaster gets dropped into the thing man.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
First of all, man, how do you una let some
bud stick up on you and drop a toaster in
a bathtob I want to small toest burning right away.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
What's the situation where you let someone walk into the bathroom,
plug a toaster in and be like, hey, since you're
in the bath.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
You're gonna be like laying in bed at this. You're
gonna be laying in dead with a little with a
with a with a chick lit bird from one side
and the other side still had a lot of weed
in it, fucking chick lit right and and you're gonna
be like, hey, bro, you were gonna uncharge. We're gonna

(11:06):
unplug my charger right now and put in that toaster.
Are you gonna make toes right now?

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Hold me? Hey bro, what are you doing that toaster?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Hey Bro, don't put that toaster over your head. You're
gonna get all the break cross on your head. You're
still turning to be nice. He's got about to murder you.
You're just trying to be nice to him. Hey Bro,
that toldal gonna get hot on your hands. The best
thing to do at that moment, Bro, part part and

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let that bubble come out on the other side.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Bro was thinking at that point, Oh God, that's hilarious, dude.
I've never even thought about it because you see it
all the time back of the day, like the toaster
was like even in cartoons like Tom and Jerry would
drop a toaster in the fucking bathtub. Well, like Tom
was in the bathtub or something.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
That was one of the tortures that one of the
one of the one of the pimps was charged for
because he would talk with women like when they we
get punished or when they were wait a minute, what, yeah, bro, he.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Would I would like fucking fry chicks in the bathtub.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
No, Bro, he would ask him you want him hot
or cold? So one of them was, Okay, let's say cold,
so they'll put him inside like instead of bathtub with
a bunch of eyes Joe Rogan style. But for as
long as that sigarette burns, No, Bro.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
That's a long or the other one was that is crazy.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
The other one that wore burn a hanger and you
have pokeo ass.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, I said, I've seen that one in ice.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
We're just saying ice or hot hot hot? Huh yeah,
how about you to hold it though?

Speaker 3 (12:50):
I mean I have. I've been burned like pretty hard,
so like I would take because it goes away. I mean,
let's like we're talking like fucking light someone on fire.
That's different.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I went burned a lot, Bro. I remember one time
in New York, Man, this guy told me, way right here,
I'll be right back if who never came back? All right?
I was on fire, Bro, And then everybody in that
corner knew what happened, because that happened in that corner

(13:22):
a lot. Yeah, you got burned. It's funny when you
get robbed in a corner where everybody hangs out at andy.
Let they all know And I go, yeah, Man, for sure, bro,
we're here. We're here. Wait for the guy to come
back to.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
I got robbed in TJ one time, and right away
the guy was like, I'm sorry, bro, And I didn't
know what he was talking about until I checked my
bank account. The guy took everything.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
You know, bro, oh man, you were Richard Pryor when
we did the History of Comedy. He grew up in
a brothel that was run by a pampo. Yes, that's
yeah again his father was a pimp. Huh.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
I don't remember because I don't remember, Like, because what
was that movie Jojo Dancer? I didn't watch that. I
read his book. I remember reading his book for that episode.
And to be honest with you, as much ship as
I packed in my head over the last couple of
years doing this, I can't remember if his dad was
a pimp or his mom was.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, his dad, his dad was a pimp and of
of of a brothel. His mom lived there, his grandma
lived there, and I think and then when he got
his first girl for pregnant, she he thought that the
dad was He thought that the father of the baby

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was his father because his father had been with her too.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Okay, was his mom white? Wasn't she a white lady
or is am I recalling that differently?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
I don't know, man, But they were living in a
pimp house. It's funny, man, I never realized seemed like
a real, a full long pimp, like a dressed maybe
I have. But they were driving driving and the car.
We're not driving elegant cars.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
I think that was the seventies thing. And then after
that it became a myth.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah. But the lifestyle like flashing, like flashing gold and
flashing all that, it all comes from pimping, huh, because
they were the first one to do it. This is
the lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Actually, Like the the more I read into this book
and then I read read around it because you recommended
Iceberg Slim. You said it is one of your favorite
books too.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Go read Iceberg Slim written by Iceberg Slim.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
So this book is the reason why we have all
this pimp ship right now.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
And one of the things that I learned Pimp Bible
that we're going to go back.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
As far back I'll go again, We're going to go
as far the history of pimps, to the beginning of
pimping to like the earliest Sumerian, right, but the pimp
that you see right now, and the pimp that's that's
that we're talking about. Mostly women pretty much took care
of themselves when it came to hoarring and the horror industry,

(16:12):
and up until the twenties, you know, there was barely
any pimps, and if they were, they were women. And
it wasn't until in the twenties in America that a
male pimp who was working women on the streets came about.
And and subsequently, at the time, the only people who

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would be doing that would be poor people, and at
that time most of the poor people were black, and
so you have this image of the black pimp that
has come out. But you know, let's not forget Dennis
Hoff or Hugh Hefner when we're talking about it. So
there was a lot of white pimps back then. But
the pimp, the image with the coat, the mink coat,

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the hat came from one person pretty much directly, and
that was Iceberg Slim aka Robert what was his last name?
Do you remember? Robert Beck? Robert Beck. And you know
when you see like uh Phillmore Slim and you see.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Some of the other sky snooky from Milwaukee, that.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Came out in the seventies because Iceberg Slim took place
during the thirties and the forties.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
So there's a lot of slims after that of the
Cleveland's Milam.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, all these guys that we read about from the
seventies read this book and were like, I want to
be a fucking pimp.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's just like the people. It's like when Italian read
The Godfather, they wanted to join a mom right right.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
But these guys actually became pimps, and they dressed the part.
You know, they dressed apart, they look like you know,
they would wear the hats, they'd have the long the seventies,
they'd have the huge cadillacs with the fucking big long hoods,
and they were really living that lifestyle. A lot of
these books are things. A lot of these things that
I read about these guys. Yeah, so when you read

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these guys, I don't know who these guys are in particular,
but when I read their stories, certain.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Pills, Magic, don Wan in the middle, Okay, all of them.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Were like I read and even the rappers bro like,
I you know, like iced tea and short too Short.
We're like, I read this book and it changed my
life Mac dre And I got to be honest, if
I read this book in the twenties, I'd want to
be a pimp too in my twenties. I mean, now
that I'm an older man, I read it and it's
so fucking fascinating.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
In his book, it talks about the life of ice
Per Slim, a pimp who later on became a Christian
and it's the beginning of his life. And like I remember,
I read this book, man, I read this book like
in like seven days.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
At the end, I cried, Yeah, sad, Yeah, I just
finished it.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
You know, I'm sad because he breaks it down, like
because the correlation what leads a man to be a pimp,
And it's like this, man, you're gonna be a pimp
or you're gonna be a serial killer Ted Bundy, there's
no other choices. That's if you're not a pimp, it's
because you're not. You're not You're not as as crazy

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as a guy that's going to be a pimp. And
if you don't wanna be a pimp, you're gonna be
a suiral killer. You're gonna kill women. His story is
about a guy, you know, his his mother used to
get beatn by his father all the time, all the time,
like beating, and then he will get beaten too. So
they ran away and they moved in with somewhere else

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then and then the mom hooked up with like like
a new boyfriend, and he was real cool man like,
and he was like as a kid, he loved this guy. Man.
He grew up with him. But then the mom met
the motherfucking crazy motherfucker bro remember that crazy motherfucker he
met and then she and then she ended up taking
off with Clarence who pretty much on lie to her

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and and then he ended up pimping her house.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
And pimming her in a beating his ass, beating her
trying to get like pretty much telling him when he
wasn't there, I'm gonna get rid of you. You're gonna
get out of my life, Like as soon as I
can talk your mom into it, you're fucking gone. This
is his stepdad that was like taking good care of
him and kind of set them up like this ugly

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fat dude like hooked up with his mom and out
of necessity she hooked up back with him, and he
loved her and he loved he was taking.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Care of man he felt taken care of, had a
different life.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
But the mom was like shallow in a way and
was like, I'm gonna go with this one, dude. And
you know that's the thing is I already knew this,
but you know, we'll talk about it like pimp. That's
the whole thing about pimping is like getting in someone's
head and turning them into something they would never be.
I remember watching that Pimp and.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
It won't control a woman's body, but it takes a
pimp to control bitch his mind.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
I remember watching this documentary and I did believe it
then and I believe it to this day. And it's
this big fat guy driving in a Cadillac and and
he's like, I could pimp any hose he's driving in
his Cadillact it's a pimp. It's a documentary goes I
could pimp any woman into being a hoe. I could
get your wholesome ass mama living in the Midwest, and

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I could talk her into tricking for me tomorrow. And
I remember thinking, like, Yo, what the fuck like is that?
And I because I was like, I was like, what
the am I look over at my dad, and my
dad just kind of nodding right, And in my mind
I was like, no way you could do that, you know.

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And that's what these guys were, bro, they were smooth talkers.
When you listen to this guy in this book, because
he uses all the lingo he used back then, the
book uses like how they would talk. And I'm like, man,
this motherfucker was smooth.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Bro. I like the mad Goldie he he grabs his
white She had to run away from home because she
was dating a black guy. So the mom got all
the dad got all mad. We dated black guy, so
he kicked her eyes out. So Goldie comes in and says, no, baby,
I'm gonna take care of you. Man. You know I'm

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gonna be better than your husbandna be your daddy.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yes, He's like, I wanna be your dad.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
I want to tell you how, I will tell you
what to do. I'm gonna tell you. He goes, not man,
you mother, I don't want to be your man. Any
any chump can be your man. Any chump can be
your boyfriend, your daddy. Yeah, I tell you, I'm gonna
tell you how to dress. I'm gonna tell you, but
you see it as smooth. I'm gonna tell you how
to win the ride. Baby, we're gonna take it to

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We're gonna're gonna take me to the top. Baby, you
might number you gonna be a number one, Henna be
right on. You'll be my top hoe and you're gonna
be my number one, number one. But but but you
gonna be cool about it. Baby, you gonna be cool
about it. Baby, no, because you're a beautiful flower. Baby.
And then and then she and then she's getting all

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horny with him, bro, and then he's like holding her back. No, baby, no, no,
he said, hold on baby, hold on baby. Right, So
this one so so Goldie has this one right, Like
he got her right because this one only wants love
and attention. So he got she got her reign right.

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So then she runs. She probably said this one to
go run a bunch of tricks before he even has
sex with her, right yeah. Yeah, And by that time
he'll get all the cash. And then when he comes
to her, he'll make love to her, bro and think
make her think that they're ready to crazy relationship. But
there's other ones that he meets someone there they're like

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they want to party. He goes, baby, you want to party?
He goes, you know, come with me, man, he goes.
You see all this? You see, oh, I got this?
Does get more with your help, we gotta party together.
You want to go to the party, we can go party.

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You don't gonna worry about getting that stuff. I'm the guy.
It could be trash again betel in it. He likes
the comedy and that one bro and that one. He'll
get her little by little, but giving her drugs. Just
let they got the guy from I.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Was made for This was the name of that movie.
What is the name of that movie? Math Paradise? Alle Yes, dude,
where like he gets the geek.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
And the guy that the guy that got the geek,
he's pimping the geek.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, he's pimping the geek. Well, and that's the thing, dude.
This kind of made me think because it's Iceberg slim book.
He's like, Man, everybody's a pimp if you think about it,
Like the professors are pimping the students, the students, or
your boss is pipping you, or you go home and
you pimp your wife, and you're like, and it's like,
holy fuck.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Bro comedy club pimping the car.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
I'm listening to this and I'm at the comedy club
and my boss comes out and he's being a dick
to me, and I'm thinking, like, dude, my pimples yelling
at me, like.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
He got hit with a cane in your head.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
He beat me with a hanger for not for giving
away too many path frees.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Man like ice Burst Slim. The kind of car that
he was driving back then were expensive. Huh, nobody, He'll
bite him every other year. Every year.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
That was actually Slim was doing that. Iceberg Slim. He
struggled a lot because he was in and out of
He got busted so many times, but he partied and
he escaped for prison for thirteen years. He escaped and
got away with with it, and then when he went back,
he only spent like six months before he went in

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and like because he's smart. Look, that's the thing is
this dude is smart. He's not just some like dumb
motherfucker on this girl. Like this guy actually educated himself.
And his last hit in prison, he got he escaped
and was like gone for thirteen years, and they busted
them and brought him back to the same prison, and
he kind of cataloged all the atrocities that were happening

(26:11):
in the prison, and he approached the ward and he's like,
check this out, and he said it so eloquently because
he's a pimp. He tells him like, bro, I know
all this shit that's gonna happen. I can open the
door wide open on you and you're gonna get in trouble,
or you could just let me go, which I'm gonna
be getting out anyway because I have a lawyer who's
gonna come and get me out, So fucking either you

(26:31):
let me out now, or I get let out and
I tell everybody what the fuck's happening here. And he
wasn't even gonna let out, but that fucking warden was
like boop, all right, you can get out tomorrow. And
then that was the last time he stayed. And after
that he kind of went and followed the righteous path
and stuff. But yeah, dude, that guy was life was
so interesting. He got in trouble so many times, and

(26:54):
for dumb reasons. There's the why he went to prison
in the first place, because they were looking for a member.
And then he goes, I got busted for the dumbest
fucking thing. He goes, I left a note that I
was writing to my girl about what I was into
about my heys and stuff, and I left it in
the thing. So when I went to go talk to
the cops, they were searching my house. I was trying

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to throw the cops off. I went to the police station.
They were searching my house and they found all the
paperwork and they found that I had escaped from prison
and that's how they brought me back.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
That's crazy, man. When were the word actual pimp word
was used? The first use of the word pimp on
my cardboard here bro. The first use of the word
pimp was in a play called It was an English
play called Our Five Gallons, and it was in the

(27:47):
early seventh eighteenth century, seventeen hundreds, and that it was
used just there, and then it wasn't used again up
until like the nineteenth century, and then they became but
but pimps back. Okay, so let's go all the way
back to early Sumerian. Even though the pimp guy is

(28:07):
walking around like a pimp, and he pimp pretty much
is somebody who has holes out on the streets. But
there's there's like a and that's a derogatory game name
that was given to somebody because the people that run
brothels that have a lot of money, they pay the
cop to go after a pimps can take a lot

(28:28):
of business.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Right, Yes, there was a battle between the houses in
the streets because I.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Saw the movie called Harlots. They show on Hulu, and
it was about horring Bro, horring Bro. It's called Harlets.
It's on Hulu. Watch it. And there's one lady she's
protesting Bro. Inside of the whole, it's like a straight
up whoorouse, like you know, you passed by and they
go at this to you. It's a whorehouse. And they

(28:54):
run by a meddam, Yes, run by a madam, but
her her fucking and for sir, is this big black
motherfucker bro. Real? Do you know back then, brother cann't
have no businesses, but you get a nice white woman
to run it for you.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
You were running on the scenes.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Either only doing all the enforcing and he's doing all
the hardship. But anyways, so in front of the whorehouse,
there's a fucking lady going, your deem go to hell.
Women shouldn't be like this, your deem go to hell,
blah blah blah blah blah. Right, and then when she's done,
she starts walking, and this rich ass lady gives her

(29:34):
a bunch of coins and pays her off, and she
goes back to her church and that bitch running a
very respectable whorehouse for noblemen and scribes.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yes, that you're talking about the noble one, Elizabeth. I
don't know if it's just the same show, but this
sounds very familiar to Elizabeth Crestwell, who was like one
of the first pimps ever you're respectable, yeah, and she
she was once a protested herself, then became a madam.

(30:05):
She owned like so she owned all these brothels and
she got busted right and they were gonna hang her, yeah,
and she talked the government into funding her brothels and
she was like, look, this is like how men don't.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
True story between her and finding a whorehouse.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yes, well there it is like all these horrehouse I
don't know if it's the same show, but it sounds
like Elizabeth Creswell, who was like the most prominent and
she was like she dude, King Louis the Second would come,
and King Charles the Second, I'm sorry would come, and
other politicians would fucking come and hang out.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
And like to let the princess went to empty n Island, right, and.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
The other thing she did, dude, right, No, I don't
know about oh yeah, yeah, actually, yeah, you're right, but
I don't. But the thing that she did also was like,
in a way, this is kind of charitable. And this
is where I find it's weird, like this whole vibe
goes through pimps because these guys. Listen, I'm not a
fan of these people. They did horrible things to women.

(31:05):
But one of the things you know that they kind
of did, like she opened whorehouses at levels. So if
you were poor, there was a whorehouse that you go to,
If you were middle class, there was a whorehouse that
you go to. And then she had whorehouses for like
the super rich and elite, and so she tried to
spread out like the wealth. Even Yeah, it's weird, you know,

(31:27):
but I kind of want to go back to unless
you have something else you want to talk about. So
the earliest, you know, you want to know who the
earliest pimp is. Technically, in my mind, yeah, the oldest scribe,
the oldest book in the world is is this No,
it's actually a book called the Epic of Gilgamesh. And

(31:49):
then the epic of Gilgamesh, they talk about a village
I will actually it's a really good book. They talk
about a village. They talk about the town called Iraq,
which is now which is modern day Iraq, I think Raq.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
And so.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
The goddess Ishtar was a human goddess and she had
a temple and in in reality, these people ran this temple,
and they were called ceremonial prostitutes or yeah, ceremonial prostitutes.

(32:30):
And so there was three levels of these prostitutes. One
was only for the clerics and people in the church.
The second ones were for visitors who were devoted to
the to the religion, and then the third were hookers
that would go out into the street and fuck poor people.
And so this was so the really first pimp was Ishtar,

(32:54):
was a lady named was a goddess Ishtar, because that's
and that's who ran that for a while. Then you
can fast forward to modern day ancient Greece, and this
is where the word porno comes from, because pimps and
prostitutes both alike were called pornoos like basically filth providers,
you know, and and so and again they were they

(33:22):
were at the bottom of the scale of like serfs.
They were properly of the pimps, who received a portion
of their earnings. And the word means to sell like filth.
Pimps were considered at the time, they weren't pimps. They
were called procureurs or pandas, and they were considered right
up there with cooks, innkeepers and tax collectors. The owners

(33:46):
could be male or female, it didn't really matter.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
The there was a politician by the name of Salon
who came along and boring was kind of down upon
and was they were thinking about illegalizing it. And you know,
this is Athens, Greece, ancient Athens. But this guy comes
along and he's like, look, these women perform a service

(34:11):
for like single men, and if these single men don't
have anywhere to go, they're gonna rape all our women.
And at the time it was illegal for like married
men or Jewish men to go and and and do
things with these whores. But if you were single, you
could do whatever you wanted. So this guy, kind of

(34:31):
this politician opened up the first real brothels. You know,
he opened up what was considered and his name was Salon,
and he opened up all these brothels, and again it
was three tiered services. It was like fucking poor, middle class,
super rich. And then that's when you fast forward to
Elizabeth Cresswell we were just talking about.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
So it was like your sister red nite Jake.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
And right, yes, totally exactly. Yeah, are depending on how
hot your sister was, she could be redneck sister noble.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Also, I wondering if we didn't. I didn't. I didn't.
I didn't see any any of this anywhere. If slave
owners will be trade slaves in the middle of the night,
like two different yes, slave owners, yes, black black slaves.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yes, the women, yeah, yeah, they would trade women with
each other, and that's kind of another form of pivot.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Then they need to come back like the first wife
swap in most was slave women. Huh. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
There was a guy I can't remember his name, and
he would trade off hot slaves to slave owners who
wanted to bang black chicks. And so he would sell
his women off in the middle of the night and
then they would come back in the morning and then
he would make them work.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
It's funny, you know, it's not funny. But I could
add to that because I read another book and they
were called I don't know the name of the book,
but the whole book was about slavery. I wrote two
slavery books, but this is another one I read and

(36:09):
and this one. They were actually enough pregnant women who
have big who have milk in the boobs already as
as proper as manny's for like a temporary like because
you have a new born baby, you could as a
slave owner, you could send her off to nurse that

(36:31):
baby all day and they come back home as a
nurse maid, and her life over there would just be
nursing and do baby like like have a baby.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
She would just beah.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
But then that would leave no milk for her own baby,
so that she has to give a little baby like
pork broth. That's why the fool will get strong, bro.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
You know what that is. That's that's a fact, bro.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
That's because there was no the slave would have to
go cook. Even a house slave, like you think a
house slave was like a house slave was like people
always say, house slave are all just because in the
kitchen blah blah blah something. The house slave their mouth
was shut, right, so they would eat the food right.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Yeah, they would wire their jaws shut.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Or they're not all their teeth thoughts, they won't be
able to eat no food. You know, everything was counted,
so they were left with bones. They were left with
at the back of the carrot. They were left with
like collie green stuff that didn't like the chicken black.
But the slave were from Africa. And if you want these,

(37:42):
if you go to a video in Africa where there's
these Africas and they're living in the bush and they're
boiling everything. And these these they were boiling everything too,
and them and all this stuff already clean.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
I seen that video that just came out right a
short of out it.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yes, now they're boiling and then that's all. That's all protein.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
It's all protein, bro and there, and it's making them stronger.
And that's the thing is like yeah. The other thing
is is like this is a scientific fact. If you
stuck on your girls titties, like for like a bunch
of knights in a row, she'll start to produce milk,
like the memory glens automatically, uh start to detect and
go back into functional.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I try that, bro oh, I got will stop doing
that now.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I think it's like like long amounts of time. But
like you can get it going.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
And so these women you think it's milk, but probably
like infection now with puss, like a mad cow disease.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
So you can be a person that doesn't have any
children and you can start like giving milk.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Think all but it man like like like what what
a uh? When you when you pay for a woman
to be your companion, you know, forget the word the
board prostitute. It just gives it a bad derogatory name,
you know, but you're actually paying for to have sex,
you know. But and you and you talked to the prostitutes,

(39:19):
the ones that were doing that, some of them were
they were documenting, you know, they said that some of
these guys want to make love. I got time for
them making the beat it, beat it, beat it, get
out of here, you know, moving on, moving, moving on.
And but some of these guys like they want like extra,

(39:40):
they want to be like treated like they're a boyfriend.
Like Jamie Lee Curtis bro and trading places. She's a prostitude,
but she does tude out of her home. Remember when
she takes dan Akroyd in and the guys should and
then some every guy shows up with flower with roses, right, Yeah,

(40:03):
then she goes out it's Tuesday, and then she got
all I think of very much. I can't do it tonight?
What I can't do it tonight?

Speaker 3 (40:12):
But he was that's right, was dude. There's a modern
term for that that didn't exist back then, called gf E.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
What's that called g f E? And then friend experience, Yes,
good friend experience. And there's a movie with it's called
I don't know the limit of the movie, man, but
just any Woody Allen movie. There's what he's prostitutes in
the movie. I don't care any movie you watch, any
movie you watch, you want to watch a movie with prostitutes.

(40:40):
Woody Allen. This guy takes a prostitute to a to
a parent conference meeting. But anyways, so there's there's a
scene where him and Elliott Good are just having a
conversation and they're like, he goes no, he Ali Good
is telling Woody Allen, Yeah, no, the what I'm thinking,
she's great. She's great. She makes you feel she makes

(41:01):
you feel like you're alive again. You know, I go home,
I go home, I'm make a lot to my wife.
It's beautiful. Now I've heard that this girl. She makes
me feel like, you know, like she wants to, she
wants to she wants to read my book, but you're
not rinning a book.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Exactly what movie is that?

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I think it's either it's so good, I want to
watch that everything everything you want to know about sex?

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Maybe oh yes, I remember when that movie came.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Or Friends and Neighbors or Friends and Neighbors. But it's
but with the prostitude and but.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
They're getting the GM, they're getting the girlfriend experience.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
And then but it's funny like now that you have
more No, I mean but now, but now like nobody
said like, oh, yeah, he played a sex trafficker on television.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Right, No, pimp is the word used. Yes, sex traffickers
so gross. But there is a difference, to be honest
with you.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
But because that's how they that's how they got that's
how I.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Got white, white white slavery.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Because it's called it's called sex trafficking. Yes, it's when
you take a person to do an unlawful thing to
another state.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Right yeah, and and and in the business, there's a preference.
So a sex trafficker or a human trafficker is someone
who takes people against their will to go work in sex,
and then there's people who Because I learned this from
shout out to I'm gonna get her name right now, bro,

(42:54):
because we watch this video and she did a great job.
Shout out to you know, like actual media, because she's the.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
One who's awesome. You'll want to watch more, learn more
about pimping and more about sex crimes than more about
sex and people anything about with sex.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Her podcast is great, or her videos.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
She have a good one on you have nobody gonna watch.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, I watched a few of hers after I watched
this one. But shout out to her because she brought
to attention that there are two different types of sex
workers or people who work in this industry. So sex
traffickers are people who kidnap people and take them to
do things against their will. But there are si sex
workers who do it voluntarily and those are usually the
ones that fall under pimps. And and she did point

(43:38):
this out, and this is something that's interesting to me.
So during all the way up until the twenties, most
brothels and pimping was done by women, so most whores
are are hoeing. Our prostitution was done by women. And
then in the nineteen twenties, like we already talked about,
men came out and we became pimps. This actually ended

(44:02):
lately in the early two thousands. Up until twenty fourteen,
statistically women had women murders, rapes, kidnappings had dropped significantly
due to websites like red Book and Backpage. And then

(44:22):
a law came into play around twenty fourteen that took
those things off the Internet and they arrested the site owners.
But women in those sites overwhelmingly were like, no, this
helps us, so we don't have to have a pimp.
So we don't have We could screen the people ourselves,
and we can, you know, because like there was this
system apparently where they would verify with each other. There

(44:44):
was a rating system for the men that used it,
and these women felt safe. And then when these sites
were taken down, the statistics, and this is according to
our friend here at Intellectual Media, statistics went back up,
like murder statistics, kidnapping beating statistics went back up.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I remember there was a there was a twenty four
hour cafe on Sunset. That's uh, that's probably a Chick
fil A now, but there's a there's to be a
little cafe on the side in front of the seventy
eleven on sunset on Brella and Bro. I usually see
pimps in there Bro really and the internet bro getting

(45:27):
dates for hosts whenever they moved to the Internet. And
the pimps don't gonna be out there in the streets.
He's running running back page, no ship, running back page
old school style, or putting earth and then we're putting
up Craigslist because there's a weird man. You ain't gonna
say you're gonna stop people from starting sex.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Never.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Never, I mean, like we'll get rid of bro drugs
or sex either. No, man, you would have to have
drugs for everybody, would have to have a good job. Bro.
But whatever was like, But it's funny how how the
like prostitution runs like I know by by running into

(46:14):
a prostitute one time, an ex prostitute, and her name
was Dollar Bill because her fingernails broke. They were all
done with real dollar bills. They had dollar yah, so
do right, heir on this one was number one right here,
and this one had the Washington face. Washington face was

(46:36):
right here on her thumbs. So she had all designed bro.
She told me she was the ex prostitute. This was
tooson Arizona. She was my driver and she was telling
me how she broke down the prostitution game, run a
pimp game to me in the car and she was
telling me, like this man that because she worked. She
worked as a drug runner, going into Mexico and coming

(47:00):
back and she was black and nobody stopped her. And
she was running waiting for some drug dealers in Texas
and Arizona. She said that wherever there's a construction site,
you know, like a big job, they said they're gonna
build them. They're gonna build the Hoover Dam, and people

(47:22):
are gonna be paid every week, and there's like it's
just just let the gold rush. They're gonna be paid
every week and there's cash. A pimp always shows up, Yeah, yes,
oil rig about to get fixed. A pimp shows up
with hosts. Let's who show up for working Alaska fishing

(47:45):
bro who's waiting on the dock.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Right, yes, yes, the nearest.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Who went in the dock? Host and then and not
just hosts, drug dealers, people that want want to get
you high.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Bars right yeah, to this day, I mean you can
go into a bar probably in like the wrong part
of town and there'll be somebody setting up a girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Are you here for the convention? But they were glamorizing.
And one thing that she talked about, the woman that
she talked about and her podcast was when We're Resoarchal
new that pimple glamorized Bro for a long time, right, Yes,
everybody wanted to be a pimp. People will pimping. Yeah,

(48:32):
that's the pimp ass.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Ride by the nineties. Do you remember like pit my ride?
Well even before that, Bro, And to be honest with you,
I'll slap a hole. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
say I fight nothing but bitches that money. Bitches ain't
ship but th and tricks licks on these got ho
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
I got ho in different era.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Coo, if you grew up with this, this music affected.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
I gotta put that in Honey to Beach. I gotta
put the Handlington Park, I gotta put that in Highland Park.
Remember I got a little.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
I don't remember that song, but.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Uniting the game, I be King of the Hill had
a pimping episode.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Broimp Yeah, yeah, that was Bro and that was the
thing is again shout out to what was her name again?
I'm so sorry, lady. What was this one's name? Uh
in the intellectual intellectual? Because here's the thing is, she

(49:46):
brought into focus the dilution of the seriousness of what
pimps were doing. Like her point was, this woman's point
was like in the nineties we warmed and soft and
fuzzied up pimps. But back in the day, like you know,
even Iceberg Slam was like, we recognize his bitches. She
had the scars on her stomach from him beating her

(50:07):
with the hanger, you know, and it's.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Like about when I when I'm bab imagine, don't want
to tell you that story. I bout one of his
hoes getting getting shot ten times and she at the
hospital almost dead. She's still laying in the She's laying
in the streets, all bleedy, leading out she got shot up.
And then she said, I'm sorry, baby, Daddy, I said,

(50:31):
did I get better? I'll go back to them streets.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
She didn't even say that. She was like, tell me
what I need to do to make you money right now, Daddy,
Tell me what I need to do to make you
right now. I'm so sorry this is happening, daddy. I
was like, what the fuck, bro, Like, my lady loves me,
but if she got shot, the last thing she would
be trying to do is think about what's going on.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
In my life. It was the wrong woman, then.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Let's Brinkley saw in here that shirt she should she.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Should be bleeding right there, Bro, trying to tie your shoes?

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Where is Lisa?

Speaker 2 (51:12):
But that's how it is. That's that's how it is.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
When when you watch a back in the Day, you
watch a John Wayne movie, John Wayne, John Wayne, John
Wayne will get shot two times and the Mexican HOMIEI
was shot get shot thirty five times, right, and he's
laying in the floor going are you okay? Yeah? Are

(51:36):
you okay? Boss? Are you okay?

Speaker 3 (51:39):
No?

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Bro, he's telling John Wayne, are you okay? Bro? He's
throwing his horse from a part off his horse, broke
his legs, candy came out of him. He's bleeding or shata.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
I would definitely be calling my lady and I'd be
like next, like I think is dead already, Like I
wouldn't even be checking in and be like make sure
the dogs fed. Don't forget to clean out my fucking
drawer before my family gets there to look through it.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Did you see that movie, bro? That clip with and
it's a it's all it's all based on a fake story,
the one where Christopher Reeves is a reporter and he's
walking around with Morgan Freeman need the Pimp? Yes, another scene, Bro,
where did you see that movie? No? So I one
clip Bro, where Morgan Freeman is talking neither pimp and

(52:36):
then Christopher Reeves is there was his wife or girlfriend.
He's like a reporter and then his wife is on
a hanttarts talking trying to correct him with the one
of the ladies. He fucking slacked the ship her looking up, Bro,
Morgan Freeman, Morgan Freeman, Morgan Freeman, pimps. Christopher Reeves slapped

(52:59):
the ship out of her. Bro, I started fucked up movie. Bro.
Oh my year, I hate this oh man before oh
my god, look you gotta see that watch put it
up there you go taking the Harvard Hey thought you
guys were great. You depends you know of me? Now
she might take that ship escape. Man, I know I

(53:21):
don't have to go to Harvard to know what you're doing.
You know what I'm trying to say, you man? Do
you yes? Well, then shut the fuck up. You don't
tell me how people react to me. I know what
people are doing when no matter work, because I remind you,
dig I don't take no ship of you. You're lying,

(53:41):
I know, you know.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Oh oh, he slapped this glady. Bro, you can't slap
my white lady. He fucking he just checked, like, was
she maybe cheat chiming in chiming in because we can't
hear it because cheat chiming in? Holy fuck? He just
dude's cold blooded dude.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah, man, did not see Morgan Freeman as well? Did
you see I'm that part of The Taxi Driver where
they said that Taxi driver they were trying to during
a black exploitation movies like the Mac so many black
exploitation was about pimp.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Right, Yeah, and then apparently taxi came out and they
were supposed to have a black pamp.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
They were supposed to have a black pamp, but somebody
told him not. And that's how Harvey could tell was
playing a white pimp.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Which like in the movie The Driver, Yeah, I saw
it a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Yeah yeah. And in that movie, Jody Fox is fourteen
years old. I can't believe that she's actually fourteen years old.
In the movie in the movie she's a little bit
a fourteen year old prostitute.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yes, Oscar seventies didn't suck around, and course she did,
she should have.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
And then Harvey could tell playing a pimp, right, but
he did, like a Puerto Rican pimp. But anyways, but then,
but I think a black pimp, a black actor, would
have made the joke, made them way better. Not how
we can tell her to do a good job, would
have been more profound, more profound now I think about it.

(55:19):
So and then remember I told you that takes a
lot of privilege, a lot of samples from from Scort Stacy. Yeah, yeah, okay, man,
he you know he wrote True Romance, right, yes, True Romance,
but he didn't direct True Romance. It was directed by

(55:39):
one of the brothers.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
That's right. Yeah, wrote the script script.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
But he wanted uh so, so he wrote it for
like the guy to be white. Right, So then when
they did the movie, they didn't change it, right, so
he so he put in a white guy too, because
of course Stacey put in a white guy. That's why
it was a mistake, because they wanted a black guy.

(56:06):
So if he wanted to really company course, Casey, he
would have put.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
A black guy in. That's why what's his name plays
the white pimp?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
All.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
I gotta be honest with you, dude, what's the guy
who plays the pimp in?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Gary Omen?

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Gary Olmen fucking nailed that role, though, bro Gary Gary
Olmen is one of the best underrated actors of all
time in my mind, and it's because of roles like that.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Gary Omen said that he saw somebody doing that role
in the streets and he copied it. He's a fucking
he said. When he walked, he goes, man, he goes, oh, man.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Please tell me I'm wrong or I'm stupid in the comments.
If you go and watch that man do his fucking
his his piece in that film, come back and tell
me whether that wasn't a good that wasn't a good job.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
What we got here is that we have fucking Charles
Bronston right here. Yeah, Thomas Clarence, Oh a N word name.
It's the White Boy Day? Is the White boy Day?
Any boy day? I love that one to this day.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
I sell my buddies and white dude and when he thinks,
he's like, I want to go eat them all. Oh,
it's today, White boy Day.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
You coming here like you have a care in the world.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
I got everything here from the from the.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
From from Chicken way too. Man, do I know now
you're coming here like you try Bronson and ship you
never care in the world. The sound of the TV
over there, there's been a big stack of big titties
over there. But you in my box looked once. Yeah,
this is the Karantino bullshit writing comes in. Oh I'm

(57:45):
not I'm not eating because I'm not staying. That movie
I'm not thinking that with The Mac with Pam Grim
Richard Pryor. But you know what, bro that scene right
there had a ship load of dialogue that Queen Tarantino
does in movies that the act that director said, fuck

(58:07):
all this that if you look at I'll bring the
script one in and I'll read the extra dialogue. But
the Dog, the dialogue for the movie was more like this, Oh,
you ain't staying. I ain't staying because I'm not hungry.
I'm not eating because I ain't hungry, because I'm not stating,
because i ain't staying. I'm not watching the screen because
I've already seen that movie that The Mac was with

(58:31):
Richard Pryor and Prim Greer. Then he mentions two more actors, cinematographer,
bad things. It was shot by things. They wanted to
do lighting right here, but they couldn't get a deal
to get Richard Pryor in the movie, bro, because you
know what the director he wrote all that dinlogue. Bro.
But the director who director of the movie knew that

(58:52):
that pimp would have shot his act doing all that, so.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
He got rid of all that time. That's why you
have that real short short and then they go showing into.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
It boom because he goes because you already knowing the
other scene he shot the guy with a big shotgun.
He know he's the guy with little words.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Right, Yeah, yeah, okay, So where that made.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Sense to put throw in all that Quentin Tarantino sometimes
why I'm the fuck a red rock dialogue?

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Yeah, that's that, that makes sense, dude. I'm I'm a
Quentin Tarantino fan too, bro, But there is there is
a lot of his bullshit in certain films. And if
you're a fan of someone, I think it's okay to
like actually criticize what they do because you know who
they are. And yeah, Quentin Tarantino definitely feels his dialogue
sometimes too much, where it's just like the scene wouldn't

(59:42):
fucking happen. But I do love the scene at the
beginning of Reservoir Dogs when they're sitting at the diner
and they're having that little bit of piece that's fucking
that's what that's where he's good at it. But then
at the same.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Time, you know what the right hair bro the worst
modest violin for the waitresses. Now, now you told me
that if I should pay extra for them to store
in my coffee, I got two words for that, man,
learn how the time. Yes, because I'm not gonna stand

(01:00:16):
over backward because society said so you want to pay more,
I'll put it into a boat. I'll vote for it,
but I'm not gonna bend over back like some schmocky ship.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Mister Pink.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Mister Pink, I pay for your fucking breakfast. You put
a dollar in everybody else you can't sucker.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
You don't love this fucking movie, but it's my favorite
movie when I was growing up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Normally, I wouldn't do that for this kid, who give
the follow Normally that you put a dollar in the
rest of us. Do you're listening to the winds sounds? Man?

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
That was the sound of the is the do you
know who the voice was? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
But but like like I think, I don't think if
you're want to be breakdown pimping and take away that
take away the word pimping from because curious sex. But
if you ever convinced somebody to do something like give

(01:01:26):
you a ride whenever I want to, you pimped them. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
That's the thing that I learned too in this is
that we're all I'm the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Biggest hustler of all time, right because I stuttered, Man,
I'm doing stand up comedy. Check that out, bro. The
only word I do back then, I just told her
so much. The only word I got right was did.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
You really stutter that bad?

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Fucking proud of.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
You, my friend. Bro. They didn't want to give me
a fake toy, gum, bro, because everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
You would have killed everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
It's over. Yeah, But did you read that? It's funny
like when we read about the Chinese people in America,
we mentioned that they had they had dry cleaning and
the Chinese restaurant and all that. Yes, but we didn't
mention we didn't know for reading this book and researching

(01:02:31):
that a lot of that money came from the from
the Chinese having being pimps, having their own brothels, so
they have to make that They had to turn that
money somehow.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
They had to turn that money. And what they would
do was they would keep the women in the back.
And this is why men work at restaurant. When you
go to Chinese restaurants, I mean now men work at
all restaurants, but back do you remember the set in
the eighties and nineties when you go to a regular
restaurant and it was all women that were wait staff.
But then you'd go to the Chinese restaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
It was a dude, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Or when you go into the cleaners, there's a doing
all the work there. That's because all the women were
doing sex work and all the men, you know, because
there was a big, huge push to get Chinese people
out of America and the only people that could work
in America were people who were waiters or did women's jobs.
And that's how they were able to keep the men here.
And they would give the men the women's job, and

(01:03:20):
then they would keep the women supposedly at home, but
they were back at the brothel. Given head, what.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Did you learn about, Well, well, that's truly a real story.
How the word hookers come from?

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Dude, explain that? And I don't know, but I wanted
to look that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
I read this is what I read somewhere on how
the leaders digest or somewhere, and instead that Sergeant Lee
Hooker or Sergeant Hooker was a guy from the during
the Civil War between US, the Union and the Confederate
And this guy would bring in a wagon full of

(01:03:58):
hose bros. And he'll take them to the to the
to the Union side, and they will have prostitutes, right,
and then he'll take them after they're done, he'll take
them to the other side, to the to the bigger
heads of the of the South, and then people will
be waiting for them. Where's John Lee? Wor's sergeant Hookers?

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Sergeant Hookers?

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Hookers to hookers, And then I became the word bro hookers.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Oh that's interesting. That's a very interesting etymology of that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
What you got right here? Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
So that's all my notes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Tiger Lee bro.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Uh stagger Lee. If you remember back in the day,
there was a song and then Tina Turner and I
Turner it's actually a true story about a guy. And
it's weird because this isn't really. I guess there was
so many few humans back then that everybody was important.
Because this guy, Billy Lyons, who was another gang member,

(01:05:00):
walked over to stagger Lee and was like, I'm gonna
take your fucking hat from you. They were friends, and
they got in an argument and he took his hat
and walked off with it, and fucking stagger Lee shot
him and then took his hat back. And that's what
the whole song is about, is this guy standing up
for himself. But he was a pimp and and really
stagger Lee's importance comes from during the time that he

(01:05:22):
was a pimp in the early eighteen hundreds. This is
the eighteen ninety five is when this is kind of
a thing, and he is one of the rare pimps
that were around. This is like before pimping was a
big thing. And they called themselves macros. And this is
where the term mac comes from. And they confused it

(01:05:42):
with mackerel, like a fish, and but macro is m
a q e u e r o u or something
like that. But it's a French word meaning a purveyor
someone who sells anything. And so they were that's where
the term mac comes from, and that's where the mac
comes from. That's where making comes from. All of that

(01:06:02):
came from that time because stagger Lee was part of
like five dudes that were pimps called the Chicago Mas.
That's where that term comes from, and that's stagger Lee's importance.
We could also talk about Odessa Madre, who was one
of the rare lady pimps of the seventies, of the
early years. She was born in nineteen oh seven, and

(01:06:26):
she came into Providence around the nineteen fifties and sixties,
and she was raised in an all white school with
maybe like three or four other black kids, and so
she had all these prominent friends and people that were
of importance, and she actually herself had a chance at
education and becoming a regular person in society. But she

(01:06:47):
was like, fucking, I'm gonna be a pimp. All these
black people are pimps. I'm gonna be a pimp. And
she became one of the most prominent pimps in Washington,
where she was like fucking having like really important soul
people come over and do their thing, and she made
tons of money. She she she was rich for a

(01:07:08):
long time, and she was born pennyless and died pennyless basically, like,
if you take the Mac, it's it's a little bit
about a guy named Frank Ward out of Oakland, California.
But Frank Ward died with family members and like, and
I think the MAC was based off of him, but
his story, because the Mac is about a guy who's broke,

(01:07:30):
comes into the world broke, and leaves broke.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Madre because I have a question, man, sure, what's the
Player's bar? And when let it start? So that's the
and who popularized that? And why did they started on
in a movie? Have a question before you start. I know,
I know you started a more than me. But did
the Player Boss start in a movie or the song first,

(01:07:56):
or whether whether it a movie first or something somebody created.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
It was in real life first, and then it became
part of a movie and then it became the song
in the nineties. The first one, the first like we're
in reality, Player's Ball is something.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
It's like, it's what the that's the sketch that came
out of Hater's Ball.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
From Hater's Ball sketch came out of the original Player's
Ball and it was all pimps.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Yeah, it was a guy named.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
What's that guy's name?

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
What Mo filmed that he was brothers the American Pimp
Aman American Pimp.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
So his name was. So there's two people who started it,
Bishop Down Magic Wand and Frank Ward had one in Oakland,
California as well. And I don't know who started it,
but they would have it every year on their birthdays.
Bishop Magic Don Juan's lasted longer and still is to
this day. But the thing is is that back in

(01:08:59):
the nighties, seventies to the nineties it was a popular,
huge event. It started went off in the two thousands,
and now it's just a fucking old people convention.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
I saw a documentary where a guy named Slim from
the Bay Area. Oh, fillmore Slim, fillmore Slim. He said
that he showed up to a to lay one time. Bro. Yes,
he showed up to al lay and and soon he
showed up. He said, Man, these pimps out here were vicious.

(01:09:33):
I showed up. The motherfuckers took my house, he said,
I was left with two houses. So man, I said, okay, motherfuckers,
is that how you're gonna play? Now, how you're gonna
teach a motherfucker from the bay, y'all want to play. Okay,
if the players play, he said, I went to a
public phone. Okay, I'll call up my main house. These bitches,

(01:09:57):
these hose, food and net flu flew the next day,
six of the both thorough red house. It was saying,
thorough bread. They touched down Los Angeles, motherfucker, I took,
I took. I took everybody five holes from every pamper

(01:10:20):
here and left my bottom bitches behind.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
What's the bottom bitch?

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
So those ten chicks though, those I mean, I know
the bottom ones. I was like the ones he had,
like the ones that are like getting older, you don't want.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
They're on their way out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Those the one he already beat up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Of course he brought Iceberg Slim's book.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
They're tired dogs, yes, So he brought those bottom hose.
So he flew, he flew into the players. Boy, and
I laid with the bottom holes, bro, And then they
took them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
They took them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
So then he fucking came back with seven bad ones freshees,
and and then those ones were vicious. He said. They
went out there, Bro, and they told all the other
whole how great it was, and they left them all.
They went with yeah, and then he showed up to
that party with all those hoes, and that's that scene
where hey man, your bitch shows me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Is that where that comes from?

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
No way, that's what we're saying here in history for fools.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Okay, I'll go with it. Do you want to know?

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
But think about it though, Like that has to be right,
because if you go over there, he showed up with
ten of his prostitutes and then and then he just
they're at a party and having a good time and
then like four of the harder one leave right or
five with him and and what disrespect gangster? But you
know what, he kept the gangster, bro, he kept the

(01:11:45):
real like a gentleman.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
You know, what do you get to do?

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
So they went over there and and he called down,
he called Oakland where he's from, Freemont whatever he's from, Filmore,
he called her Filmore. Those chicks show up, bad chicks,
you know. They go over there and they start recruiting, Bro, recruiting.
He didn't have to do nothing because he's focused, My friend,

(01:12:11):
he's focused. Those hoes went out there and did it
all the dirty work. He's they're talking to fucking Magic
wand he's talking to this pimp from all the from
fucking calm thin. He's mingling. But bro, when they when,
when they're in Southwest and Burdbank, he left all his
scraps behind. It's like they took his trash hold a

(01:12:35):
hole dump. I went back to Oakland Brough with a
fresh crop. Do you know how he but that was
like I was. He was a jazz musician, right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Yes, he became a pimp. He was a famous jazz
blues musician and like like not famous in the way
of like he made a lot of money. He was
super popular. He was born in like Louisiana or something
like that was like fuck this life her, California has
hell of fucking money. And he came out to California
to live with his family. He was getting in trouble
back home, and he moved in with his sister or

(01:13:07):
aunt and she was like, hey, listen, whatever you do,
stay the fuck away from the Fillmore area, which was
like back of the day, bro. And I can tell
you for his hand, Fillmore was back of the day.
Was a spot. I can't tell you that for his hand,
but it was the hood growing up. It was the
fuck dude.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Now Filmore is a night back forever.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
You walk around for one hundred years to clean up, bro,
one hundred years you walk around, Bro, you walk around now,
and you would know that there were pimps and prostitutes
and gangsters in Fillmore. Fillmore District now is beautiful except
for their like they have a couple of like project
houses there. But Fillmore is like I remember going through

(01:13:47):
and you didn't like cops would tell you. I got
pulled over outside of the Fillmore district and he goes,
when you go through here, he's all gonna let you
run the next three stop signs, He's all, and then
just take off out of this neighborhood. Don't come back here.
And that's how bad it was. But Fillmore Slim became
a popular musician before he became a pimp, and he
was so good at music. He was in Texas that

(01:14:09):
this woman approached him and was like, Hey, here's some
money I want to hope for you. He didn't even
know what that shit was, bro, He was just and
he said, I stayed with her for three days and
she brought me money home every day and she said,
I want to go back home with you, to the
bay and fucking help you get women, and so was
this girl who helped him become a pimp. And then

(01:14:30):
he became one of the world's like most well known
prominent pimps and ever and like, but that's, to me
is the craziest story. He didn't even bro that, Like,
can you imagine you're performing comedy somewhere and this lady
walks over and hands you and there's a white lady.
She scans you money and it's like, I'll bring you
more tomorrow. Just fucking let me stay with you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Pimp, pimping, pimping. Pimp's down, bro, holds up, pimps down.
Hose up, man, because our only fans now and everything.
Oh man, I mean if pimps are down now, Bro,
I remember afraid this man had a joke, Man, pimp start.
I saw, I saw. I saw a pimp and a prius.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
I saw pimp and a prius.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
I saw here of the jokes. I saw pim doing
COVID wearing a mask. He was talking like this, I
will slap you home. These are the jokes people. And
it was tough in nineties, man, because crack brought down
the price of prostitution.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Yeah, totally, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
And that's a lot of a lot of pimp are
looking bad, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Right right, Yeah, a lot of pimps were in a
bad way. Uh. And that was kind of the end.
The eighties was the end of pimping really, like that
like level of pimping where they were dressing nice like
I said, now, like during the eighties, pimps dressed like
you are right now, yeah, man, ninety pimp and I
would say, yeah, late nineties. But now pimps just look

(01:16:00):
like regular dudes. They just look like regular homies, you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Know, Like pimps don't weigh that great hautations. No more
for runaway chicks, no, bro, you have.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
The Internet for that. And that's the thing too, is
like pimping's cotton takes like if you were with the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Like, so one thing about a pimp and that's the
only thing I learned from the Get Go Homie, where
the pimp doesn't stop talking, he just keep wrapping to
a chick, wear a bitch down.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
His mouth is his greatest weapon.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Yeah, man, And now that you can't do that at
that in public. Now, man, if you're a pimp with
bad grammar, it's gonna be tough, homemade you gotta type
all that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Yeah, I think pimp is a lot harder now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
But pimping now, man, is different because it's not even
a lot of the stuff like Bang Bros. Or or
all these places where they have whether they make pornos
where our girl could just leave her home and be
a porn start in Las Vegas or Florida for like
two days to go back home, that's pimping. That's pimping,

(01:17:03):
you flat woman. Now, that's text trafficking, right, yes, and
and again, you fucking mel weed. That's wire trap. That's
mail fraud. That's in the state doing somebody over the phone.
That's wire trap, right, wire frad.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Well, you know, like our friend Joe idea is how
he you know, when he and he talks about his
kidnapping beef in your mind and forever, I always thought
this motherfucker put someone in the back of his car
and drove off with it, or gunpoint, put someone in
a vehicle. He actually did steal the guy, but but
he just put him. He brought him to another room.

(01:17:38):
The fact that he brought him to another room at
gunpoint made him the kidnapper. Wow, bro, Like, if he
didn't move him to another room. He wouldn't have caught it.
Kidnapping charge, he would be a lower charge. Something else.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
I got president charge on people that kidnapped me in
their boring podcast The Struggle Coming into America. I heard
that your brother.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
What's it like to be comedy in Mexico?

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
What the snor pr? What's up? Everybody for history for
full pimpin.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Thank you for watching. We love you guys, and keep
in boxing me with ideas.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Shout out to Joanna big fan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Yes, shout out to Joanna. Shout out to Butch Ramon
Butcher McCloud keeping me a float in the in this
modern day.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Shout out to chick Litz for hooking it up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Oh, shout out to chick Lits and sense Connect Man.
I love you guys. Thank you so much for all
the goodies you give me and all the year the best.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Also, man, if you're listening from this Sunday, thank you
very much for listening this Sunday. We had a lot.
We had a lot of funny Yaka, my right, you
had a lot of funny.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Oh so much fun in Yakima. I love Yakima. Thank
you guys so much. And again everybody came up to
me and it was my first time in Boise. I
was actually my first time in Yakima. I don't know
if you remember. Last time I was supposed to meet
up with you guys in Yakam. I went to the
wrong airport and I missed the fly Dude. I was like,

(01:19:21):
everyone hates me. This is the worst and fucking I
took so so I was flying out of San francisc
I was living in the Bay Area. There's San Francisco
and Oakan Airport, and you know, poor Lisa has to
try to figure out how to fly me out. And
I thought it was San Francisco and I thought it

(01:19:42):
was Oakland, and so I went to Oakum that weekend,
I was supposed to fly to San Francisco, and I
remember beating up with you guys the next day and
You're all, I bet you wanted to live under a
rock after yesterday, and I was like yeah, And like
just you feeling bad for me made me feel even
worse because I was like, you're supposed to be bad
have me right now? Bro, But like you're like, I

(01:20:02):
bet you feel like I was like, dude, dude, it
was like.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Hell yeah, I was that feeling Jacky Vegas. Shout out
to Jockey Vegas, Jockey Vegas. Oh Man, okay man, thank
you very much. History for fooze historians, food story historians,
food storians.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
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