EP 70 - The Rise and Fall of "Emperor Norton" - History for Foos

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Speaker 1 (00:44):
Welcome to history for fools. I am Felipe Sparza and
he's but Chesscobar.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
What's up, everybody? How's it going? Food historians?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
What's up everybody? When you are shout out to your homeboy?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh yeah, what's up? I'll leave from Sunset Connect and
San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
And also the big Homie had cheek List don't forget
man further. If you want the if you want the
the pre roads that are that smoke slowly that means slowly,
then you're gonna take the tip off, give it up
for it.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Cheek li Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
That guy is nice guy. Bro. You know he's all
over the world. Bro, if I go to London, I'll
can find cheek lits over there by Homie no way.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
He's either reason for the podcast the podcast subject, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
From Sunset Connect who also is all over the world.
But right now he's trying to get his product down
here in Los Angeles and I'm trying to help him.
Oh great, great weed, great weed.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Although shout out to his girlfriend or wife, very nice lady,
we met him all. Let's talk about that. Sunday brol Fast, Yeah,
Saturday show because we have talked about it. We didn't
talk about another podcast either, so we could just talk
about how great it was to see your dad there
and a little young gum.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah his guma. I mean, I grew up in sanse dude.
It was so dope that we got to perform there.
Because I grew up in San Jose. Going to the
event Center was like a thing since I was like
a little kid. I used to go watch plays there.
I used to go to concerts there. I took my
son to go watch plays there, in concerts there. And

(02:21):
then like fuck, finally get to like we get to
perform there. I get to go backstage and you know,
I have a picture my dad came to see me,
and I have a picture with my dad and when
I was a baby after my baptismal right in front
of the San Jose Event Center, so, uh, Civic Auditorium.
I'm sorry, but yeah, dude, it was fun. And then
he brought his girlfriend out. I got to have the

(02:44):
homie Allee out come out and bring us some of
his product with Sunset Connect. Dude, it was great. It
was a good time.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
He's from the Buddy Speaks German.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
He's actually from He's from Iran, and I believe he
moved to Europe. I think it was hauling or German
and then Germany or he ended up in Germany for
quite a while. Like he's got an interesting story. And
then so he speaks Germany. He speaks all kinds of languages. Dude,
the guy is really weird worldly. Then he comes to

(03:14):
San Francisco. He sells weed to the home. He's before
it's illegal or before it's legalized, and he gets arrested. Like, hey,
he gets and dieted. He's got to give his story
because it's so good. But he's like, uh, he got
he got in trouble, he got in dieted, he went
to prison for it, and then I think his release.

(03:36):
This is during so after California made it legal, they
have a thing called equity social equity, which is like
if you get arrested for weed, if you got arrested
for weed in the past, then the state of California
gives you a grant to help you start your business,
like your weed business. So he's like the first guy,
one of the first people to ever get that. He's

(03:56):
the first guy in San Francisco to have a social
equity business. Good dude though, good dude, but he brought
up something this that week when he was kind of
throwing us some like some uh history on San Francisco.
That's fine out and you're going to get to that right.
Oh do you want me to keep going? Do you

(04:17):
want to be rout?

Speaker 3 (04:18):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
But it was It was a good one because not
only did we speak to him, Butcher's father, Tony, he
teaches chotos math.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Oh yeah, my dad runs Louise Belda his math program
like in East San Jose and it's like low incomes
for low income kids, get out of there, get out
of school, and I think it's during the summer. They
can go and work on their math skills and up
their math skills, and I think they get incentives for
it as well. It's great, dude. My dad runs great.
Him and my mom have always run great programs out there.

(04:52):
Yeah there's Louise is Yeah, yeah, yeah, he run so
that works with him. He yeah, he works with him
and then he he gets grants from him. I believe
to to like throw down the program over there in
San Jose for those kids, which is great because I
sucked at math bro and it would have been great
if there was a math program available for us, but

(05:14):
check out if you're in San Jose, especially on the
east side, check out the Lais math program.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I'm so old that guy at least said that he
has people that work for him. I'm trimming and doing
all kinds of stuff horticulture. He said that one of
the guys that works with him is an old cholo
and that fool. Instead he showed a picture of him.
That fool said that he was in Alcatraz when when

(05:42):
that sha closed and he would move to San Quentin.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, yeah, that was like probably there's a few guys
out there that we're there during the close of Alcatraz
and then we're like moved over. I wish that we
would have been able to get ahold of that guy.
Maybe I still will when we get our patreons started
and put that interview up on the patreon.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
I thought her to look cool wearing his cold brought
and the green T shirt with a foot now and
then when when we when when when we switched over
to the earth, to you man, I felt like the
never just respect me looking like Oscar the Grouch if
you were to turn into a human Venezuela and coming
out of a trash can. But never just respect me

(06:26):
a guy who read one book.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
They never disrespect me, acting like he went to college.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I don't know what put it back to me again,
Never just respect me. Look like a guy who drops
somebody off at the community cottage and stole someone's coat.
The never just respect me, looking like a guy who
cares about the community.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
On that weather good one.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Oh Man, shout out to him.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Gunshots, bro, gunshots, Yeah, shout out to gunshots.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
But you have it's funny only in l A right.
You have fireworks all through the year.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
All through the Oh Oakland too, Bro, Oakland. It's like
there used to be a game me and my ex
girlfriend had when we lived in East Oakland. It was
like exact gunshots is that? Uh?

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Fireworks?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Fireworks? Because there was like all the time.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
When I was a kid living in Boyle Heights, I
used to live across the street from peakam Street park
Wise we could go Peak Street park Oh, and I
used to hear gunshots.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Right, no car screeching, but they were like walk bikes.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Right yeah, I mean, no one's gonna This is one
thing I learned about living in a city like this
because Oakland is the same way. Don't ask me how
I know this, But you can fire off a gun
in the middle of the street and no one. No
one's coming, Bro, no one's gonna come in track, no
one's calling the police. I stu to live across that
park can Recreation Center.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, Bro, I wouldn't. When I went to swimming, I
went swimming there, swimming pool every summer. I was bro
the big hood, at least some village Picco Gardens, Boyle Heights.
That's where I grew up. Bro, oh man, I left.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Do you ever go back to the old neighborhood just
to drive around and like be like day, I'm gonna
live there.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
All different people now are doing this.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
None of the homies lived there anymore.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
If they're due, Bro, they're looking saddy.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, that's true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
I saw the one guy, Bro, he was. I saw
him on a bicycle. I was filming a some podcast
with no Wall Miller and a little race car and
the factories, and I went to it, just ran on
the wind. I'm gonna just go to the store, guys,
I should do a lot of beer runs there. And
then I went and I saw Homie. I'm back in
the day. Bro, what are you doing here? Man, I'm

(08:49):
just shooting something over there. What are you doing all
maca three days off? I'mtender here. Fuck who go back
to the hood for a three day vacation forcation?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
So he's already fucked up, brood one and a bicycle.
Was he really back on vacation or was.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
He like said we're gonna go hang out okay, bro whatever,
Like he don't even live there. He lives in Lancaster, probably,
but he took a little vacation, he said.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
So.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
He probably parked his car, took the bicycle. That's crazy,
and start driving and walking drive riding a bicycle in
the hood like he's back. Yeah, if they played to
the homie, Bro, you need me here, Bro, I patrol
the neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I was gonna say, so it's gonna put him to work.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, he probably wanted to work. We used to get
back to the community, Bro.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
We used to party in the park by my house
like all gangsign.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Bro. Can you just say we just threw it out?
We have to party in our people watching bront You
don't understand bro, our too. More popular podcast is The
Fucking Debt Collectors and the history of gangs?

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Is it really?

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Are those the two ones that's too biggest? Okay, you're
doing out gangs, bro, you're continusing everybody to show up
for another gang party.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Just everybody knows.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I'm not gang affiliating, And there's not gonna be a
gang podcast episode.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
No, it's not a gang podcast. It's not what We're.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Gonna gang up on your sister if you don't want,
if you go to watch another podcast.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
We're coming for her dog. I used to we used
to all chill in this park, right, and it'd be like, bro,
sometimes be like twenty twenty five kids from different parts
of the neighborhood chillingn at the same time. And you know,
years past, you grow up, you fucking do whatever, you
get jobs. You don't fucking hang out in the park anymore. Right,

(10:45):
So one day, twenty five years later, Homie hits us
all up, says, hey, man, I want to throw a barbecue.
If anybody wants to go, We'll call it south Side
Fest because it was like on the south side of
San Jose and so fucking we had a barbecue word spread.
I think about forty five people showed up that were
from the neighborhood. There was one dude that was chilling

(11:05):
there that I noticed was an old school guy from.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
When we were younger. He was already older.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
When we were younger, he was already in his twenties.
Were kids, and he would buy his alcohol. He'd buy
a spears shit like that. His name was Fonso, And so
I see Fonso. I'm like, hey, what's up, Fonso? Shit, dude,
I'm glad someone got ahold of you. Dude fucking came
out to hang out and he goes.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
No, Bro, just chilling. I never left.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Hey, Bro, can you imagine though, you chilled in the
park till everybody left, and then twenty five years later
you're getting fucking wasted with your forty and all the
homies chow back up and have a barbecue with you.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Dude, like space, he was already there.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
He was already there, Bro. He said we just rolled
up and that he was just drinking that morning.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
I was like, man, some of us never give up
on this, bro. There's this park over there. When I
used to live on Temple by that Diamond Street neighborhood,
right and Headhunters on Tempo and and Bronz who I
forgot the name. But there's there's a park where it's
twenty four hours tennis, the lifestyle on. You can go

(12:14):
there and play tennis. Young high school kids bro drinking
drinking like dark ass edgars, broke mullets, long hair, fools drinking, Bro.
And there's bums around that area, still hanging out right,
but like it goes, man, how long are you be
doing this? But you go there right now? Bro, a

(12:35):
new generation of losers hanging out there.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, chicks too, Yeah, they're just pounding, Bro, pounding. Cops
never go there and everybody just playing tennis.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well less now, Like that's the thing. I don't know
how it was in La growing up, but when I
was a kid.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Like two thousand, two thousand three.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Okay, yeah, so like when I was younger, Bro, if
you're chilling in the park, I would say, we could
get away with it three four days.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
In a row.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
And then the cops roll up and kick everybody out.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
And then if.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
You're drinking, they take you to a detention center for
kids at night, and then your parents have to come
get you.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Tempo and Glendale. Bro, thought that's street.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
But now they don't care. Cops don't give a fuck, bro.
They're just letting people do whatever they want. At this point,
there was a lot of fool hanging out.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Bro, Did you do that?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Were you like one of the kids hanging out in
those corners or were you.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
I didn't drink in high school.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
You didn't drink it all in high school, really, so
your drug shit and all the shit that you went
through didn't happen until you got out of high school.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah. In my college years, bro, even though I call
it my college years, bro, but I was not in college.
I would drink with my ex, my baby mama. Nothing.
Only one really, only I remember drinking one time. Only
my friend's sister, Shlly. Her name is Shlly, Yeah, her

(13:58):
name is Shelley. Her and all her girlfriends. They were
all like in twelfth grade, eleventh grade. I was in sixth,
seventh grade, eighth. They were all gonna go drink, but
I guess the mom told them to invite the little brother, right.
They don't trust the assist, so we had to go
so here. So they're all high school, eleventh, twelve and

(14:21):
they're bringing seventh and eighth grader. Oh shit, Okay, I
guess the mom's to keep an eye on them. Yeah right,
bring your brother with you.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Okay, good idea, but.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Fucking bro, we went with them. They brought a bunch
of beers. I don't even know who showed up, but
there was a one chick bro with us, and that
was her friend. She was a red headed girl. Yeah,
it was blue eyes and latina. Bro. Her last name
was this Camilla and I don't remember her name. Broke
that bitch. She saw the bucket, white chick walking bye,

(14:51):
and she did the best valley girl accident I ever
seen in my life. And then fucking we all died, bro.
And then she opened up Muslim gold beers moose bro.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Oh yeah, moods moose beers.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, I thought old school was wha fuck.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
That's right. They don't even make those anymore, Muslim gold
gold Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
And then he just popped them up, pop up. Before
I drank four. I was like to go back and
do that white chick voice again, but she looked at me,
what the fat ass you take a red all right?
You didn't say fat ass over there everybody laughing.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
She got good timing though, dude, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I forgot her name, bro. She had her She gave
him a real big family. She was a redhead. Fucking hilarious. Bro.
So yeah, man, we drank. I drank nine beers that day.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Wow, is that like the first time he got ripped?

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, because you didn't have a mean headache the next day.
Oh my god, we're mixing it up.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
It is bro Gold Gold that's like the mg D
of the United States.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
And we were listening to a C. D C and
Ship and it was like hanging around with the hot
chicks from Hey. Man. The great thing about they doing
these young chases, they I get old, they stay.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
The stay the same age.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
These chicks with the cool chase. Bro.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
But instead of hanging around with our high school friend,
they hanging around with us because the mom said.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Them made him do it. When they having did it
seemed like they were having fun though.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Bro, they were a good time bro. The loud, but
the dud showed up want to hang out with us.
They brought more beer, so we were an only little corner.
After a wise, we were dancing and yeah, man, it
was like, so I think I think that was the
first time I fell in love with going to the
beach and party because after that that, Bro, when I

(17:00):
when I was like not doing so well, but I
had someone would low me their car or he would
to have a party. Go Yeah, but let's go party
at the beat. He gonna monica, two cases of beer,
a bunch of weed.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
That on that beat, like at night you can walk
on hell. No, I was gonna say.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, we didn't know. Yeah, we saw him. We started
a point break, so I thought it was all right, right,
so we went over there dog fucking drink all the beers. Bro.
One time I passed out, broke a lifeguard tower. He
was waking me up. I passed on the lifeguard tower.
He was waking me up, Bro, with that red thing,

(17:42):
and I had the old bubble yeah, and that.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
He didn't want to touch him. He said, he's with
his thing.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yes, So I held out to it.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
I was drowning. I had hurts and they hurt. Yeah.
I didn't let go away, thank you. I made that food.
Pick me up. Bro.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
That's fucking hilarious, dude.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
So yeah, man, that was my I guess that's when
I fall in love going to the beach.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Dude, we used to have so we had the luxury.
I don't know if you guys have these, and I
haven't found him because I've been looking for him.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
But there was no luxury when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
When you go up the highway one past Santa Cruz,
in between Santa Cruz and San Francisco, there's a lot
of beaches that are like super far down a cliff,
and the cops don't really patrol those, so you could sneak.
We used to sneak palettes down there, like you know,
like fucking they put food on and ship and then

(18:37):
we would have bonfires, like in the middle of the
night that sometimes we went to like four in the morning.
Sometimes the cops would fuck there's a and kick us out,
but we used to have so much fun doing that.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Dude, there's a beach that that we need to call
it our spot, but I guess it's the no spot.
But everybody pretty much parts on the side of the
parking lot on the one they walk down. Bro.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, and I'm not looking for those.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
So me and he will go there bread. But the
surfer is hard hard. You gotta know how to willie
board there, and the floor has rocks. Everybody stays away.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
So you don't go in the water. You just chill
out on the So I call it.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
I call it our spot only because we want to
go there. And I think that's the spot. That's that
little hill where Chong is dressed up like a lady Broyeah,
because you have because how can they put a bunch
of equipment out there the little hill.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Because the little hill and the equipment those are so hard.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
It could be a lighting guy right there. This Also,
there's only one lifeguard tower.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
That's it one, okay, And people question this.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
People show up down there, bro, and they fucking oh man,
but you gotta watch out for that. For that place,
the fucking birds are vicious. Dog, Bro, you gotta watch
your food. Isaac was opening up his fucking his thumb. Also, man,
there's a bad the Ralphs not even far away, but

(20:02):
like like a two miles away. You go buy a
bunch of fried chicken to eat it there.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
That's the best, dude, Dude, that's the best on the beach. Bro.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, what we were doing. So we bought a bunch
of fried chicken from Raus and a bunch of redgress
and a big coaslaw and just white bread. And so
this will at this on rapids on breasts. Brocks were
looking we didn't even know.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
They were ready to swoop and ran away with it.
They knew it was about to happen, and they knew
it was a little kid to was he a little
kid when yeah he knew Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Also, bro, the other one, when we were looking at him,
going at this motherfucker, the food took off with chips. Yeah,
well they know how to open them.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
So according to some scientists and sociologists, birds used to
be the dinosaurs were like those like those types of
birds were like that. They were like the killer they
were like the t rexes and ship dude. So like
when you see them when you spend it like this long,
they're huge, dude. Pelicans are fucking huge, and they're like

(21:10):
I think they're considered an apex predator, meaning like they
don't have anything that hunts them and so they just
fucking come in and take what's what they want. Dude.
I've watched them. The ones in San Francisco are fucking terrifying.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
While you're eating, there's that little one, bro, that little
ass t rex. There're that little t rax bro is.
I think the pelican might be a little tiny one
because while you're eating. They're at least ten on behind you,
just waiting.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
They're smart enough to attack you because you're human, you're strong,
but ship how to get to you? You start, we
get up, That's how bad crazy we get up. We
start walking through the beach, fucker start walking to our
ship right around and stop.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Because they know our behavior patterns, dude. Like I said,
they probably saw that he was a little kid, and
neither he was the smallest one. They're like this one
right here with the sand. That's why I covered every
You go everything up, bro, you have to do. And
then even then they know to pull the blankets off.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Or so that place, bro, is one of the places
where you could still see a ship.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Load of seaweed okay, on the on the water. Yeah, dude,
that's fucking see. That's what I'm looking for.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
And when you when you walk up the hills off
the road, it still looks like a picture of nineteen
fifties LA, like the beach area, just the lights like that.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah. So like most of most of North Coast, northern
or not. I wouldn't say north coast, but like but yeah,
most of the North Coast, but northern California and it's
really not the very US Central California still, but like
that whole area from California Monterey, it's all coast. It's
all like ship you gotta walk down to and then

(23:02):
they have these huge tide pools with fucking little animals
in them and then seaweed and ship. It's why your
beaches stand out above ours, because you can just walk
onto your beach.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Did you find that beach?

Speaker 2 (23:12):
What beach? Oh, the one that he was talking about.
Don't fucking find it.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Don't find it. Don't find it.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
You don't want people going there. I'm gonna go. I
know exactly what you're talking about because I've driven by there.
I'm fuckingna check that out.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
I knew that was the I bet I know which
one it is by Ralph, Yeah, because I thought it
was the same thing when.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
It looks close to everybody else.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yes, there's so many beaches in l A too that
look closed that are not closed.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
And if you want to serve an area, you gotta
go through there to swim to the good air or
the circle right there. Man. And it almost broke my neck.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Bro Oh really.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, I was a ton of ton of boogie board,
and I didn't know that the waves come in differently. Bro.
I do not go in the water period.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I will get my feet wet. But I'll be honest
with you, Bro, I'm afraid of jellyfish. Jellyfish scare though
fuck out of me, dude. And when I found out
that they just fucking float around like by themselves without
any like, like I didn't know that, Like when I
was a little kid, I thought they were an exotic
animal that lived in like off the coast of Australia.

(24:13):
But then we had I saw him one day here
as an adult, and I was like, we have this
is like when I was really stupid, Like I'm stupid now,
but I was really stupid then. I remember like looking
in the water up like we have jellyfish here. So
it was like, yeah, you didn't know that. I was like,
I'm never going to the ocean again. And I haven't since.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Know what I'm talking about. This fool is dying in Miami, man.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, dude, that was fucking hard.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Dude, Starbucks here, but like an ambulance, da.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Bro, So we get out of the fucking we get
out of the uber. I've never been to Miami beach
like I've always seen it on TV. It looks beautiful,
you know. You got the chairs, hot bodies everywhere, the
white sand and the blue water. And they drop us
off at the street to the beach. Now it looks close, bro,
it looks like you're gonna be able to walk there.

(25:07):
And normally in the everyday situation you could. But in
the fucking humidity of Miami, you're going to need some breaks,
some water breaks. You're gonna need a fucking shade somewhere.
I fucking we started out brow and we started walking
to the thing. We went to Starbucks first, and I
didn't get anything. I was just like, I'm excited to
go to the beach. So we start going to the
beach and all of a sudden, like my blood sugar

(25:30):
just starts dropping. Bro, the heats kicking in. I'm fucking
squirting water out my forehead, dude, and I'm starting to
pass out. And this was like, here have some of this,
And there was that Starbucks frapp Dude, Oh my god,
that saved my life. No, we walked to the Starbucks.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
We walked. He goes, let's get to the Starbucks. And
so we got to the Starbucks and like I was shaking,
dude and sweating, and that Starbucks brought me right back
to life. I was like, oh fuck, go again, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
But yeah, dude, down here and dog, you know, like
everything by the road.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah right there, let me see that real quick.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
It's pasted all this exactly past that path.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
And it looks like we're cheating. Chong did their thing.
It looks exactly. You can even see the bus stop there.
Oh there's a thing arthy I'm talking about, dude.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh yeah, But for time went on in summer camp,
we used to go to this beach called I don't know,
but has a big ol coved like this and a
big cave. And here in l A, Yeah, a big cave.
It's by uh, it's by fucking will Rogers Beach.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I think I've seen it on Instagram. I think I've
seen it on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, remember there there was I was there, bro, I
help somebody up to get somewhere.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
All the beaches are great in California.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Huh, all beaches, I think all West coast beaches. And
then like summer, like the more southern you get, the
more they're made for people swimming in them. But all
beaches are I've never not seen an ugly beach here
in California.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I want to visit all of them one day, Broke.
I know I've been to like I'm trying to Bro,
San Diego, of course, Mona Rey Bay, fucking Pismo, I've
been to fucking there is right there, Bro, that's it.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Co Bro, Dude, have you been to Crescent City?

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Okay, you know what you stayed atland Co Bro? Yeah, okay,
people don't know this unless you But you keep going
south of that. There's a parking lot and if you
want to park your car there and stay for it
three days, you could pay and you can park your RV.
You and you can park your car out there, and

(27:46):
they take a little walk and there's a little there's
a little a little area where there's I've been there.
There's a little area, Bro, where there's grass. You can
set up a tent.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Can you go swimming right there?

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Oh my god, that's beautiful, dude. Wow? Oh yeah, kayak, Bro,
Yeah you could kayak. That's the thing about California oceans
is that we have sharks. We had a huge great
white population off our coast for a while. But now
they've switched over to Florida.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
They're bringing hisself from South Africa. We're gonna be good, okay,
over repopulating. Oh, people tripping out on the airport. We
were running late to our plane and I was like
bording a and he was b because of his turning
in his luggage. We passed a bunch of white people

(28:34):
and I'm just white people. Everybody. Yeah, we're pushing him
out the way. Excuse me. South Africanners coming through. Yeah,
South africanners coming through, and that's South African worth three.
K's right. He was doing that. He's really doing that.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
It was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
What's up history for fools listeners? All our fans out
there who listen Joan Antonio Ramone, everybody out there.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Bro, everybody who comes up to us and says they
watched the show. Not only you know, do I appreciate
you guys watching the show? I think that I love
when you come up and let me know, because it
does let me know that what we're doing is it's
worth it, you know, Like it feels good to know
that people are listening to us, because sometimes you gotta wonder.
I by just fucking babbling on and are they now

(29:24):
listen just for us?

Speaker 1 (29:26):
You know, it's great to this podcast, to this podcast
has brought you by the letter A for ah. Anyways,
So yeah, man, I remember, guy saw the video of
this woman, very love you Latino woman with big boobs,
big hair, big lips, big eyes. He goes, we met

(29:51):
let a man throw what is that? Let us say? Okay,
but mellow He's like, looks. She was saying, like, yeah,
my fair letters because my favor letters or the letter

(30:12):
I for inside of me. I thought she was saying,
and and the letter AGE for hard, and the letter
J for all over me.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
No, who the fuck is this?

Speaker 1 (30:25):
She said? In an age?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Where is this dirty girl? Shout out to me that
was out there talking dirty?

Speaker 1 (30:36):
What's up everybody?

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Man?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I want you can find a bitter to show you guys.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
So yeah, we're put in the Patreon.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
So when I read that book, Fact told him. And
when I saw the movie, Fact to him with with
Matt Dylon and you know Matt, and he's playing Henry Schanaski,
which is the basis of most of charub but Cosby's books,
Henry Jaski, you know, and right there and he hooks
up with Marissa Tommay and just like in the book,

(31:07):
right exactly in the book, they meet a guy and
they go to meet this eccentric guy named Pierre, and
Pierre heard a bunch of alcoholic chacks living with him,
and he's like, rich guy, old rich guy. He looks.
He starts playing this organ, this horrible music, right, beat
up organ, he goes. Then he looks to him all drunk.

(31:27):
You know, there was an Emperor San Francisco. Yes, he
had his own money printed, and he was I proclaimed emperor.
I'm writing this opera a bottom. I already wrote the music.
I was wondering. Henry says, you're a writer, would you
like to write the libretto? And then, like Matt Daylien,

(31:49):
henrych NASKI he didn't want to get sucked up. He goes, sure,
keep buzzing on those bottles. So, oh like it sounded
like bullshit, right, I never looked it up. So then
I read the book again, Emperor of Francisco. So finally,

(32:09):
when I'm running to your your father and I lead together,
I busted it up. Man was over the Emperor of
San Francisco. And then they broke it down. And said that, wow,
that's true. The name was Joshua Abraham Norton. And then
you said, I seen all his shit.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, growing up around the Bay Area, you know, we
had I lived in South San Jose. Hey, we had
an Emperor Norton's pizza down the street that we would
order from was bombed. Yeah, and then there was like
Emperor Norton's like blah blah blah, like Italian places called
Emperor Norton or Emperor Norton's Court, you know, stuff like that.
And I always thought it was just some dude who

(32:49):
was like an emperor of a small country that maybe
there were settlers that landed in the Bay Area. I
had no fucking clue what was what I what I thought,
but it definitely wasn't this story.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, man. Anyways, so people dressed up like him. That's
Edward Norton.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
That's someone dressed like Emperor Norton, but almost exactly how
he would dress. Very eccentric human being.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Joshua Abraham Norton was born in England in eighteen eighteen.
He arrived in San Francisco in eighteen forty nine and
initially prospered as a businessman. After a financial setback. He
declared himself emperor in eighteen fifty nine and spent the
rest of his life entertaining the city with his eccentric

(33:35):
decrease and pronouncements. He also said that he was Joshua
Abraham Norton, self proclaimed Emperor of the United States and
Protector of Mexico. So this guy, the one to give
Mexico away, was a beloved figure in San Francisco history.
He was born in London eighteen eighteen to Jewish parents.

(33:55):
Norton immigranted to was South Africa with his family. He
established a business in San Francisco in eighteen forty nine,
becoming a wealthy wealthy to real estate and imports. The
one thing I read about him moving to early moving
to South Africa was after the Napoleon Wars, and we

(34:17):
talked about the Napoleon Wars on Napoleon with fucking everybody else.
England was the point of no money, no jobs, after
finding Napoleon and finding out these fucking wars. So they
already had Africa, South Africa. So they were telling people
in England, hey, man, if you want to go to

(34:40):
South Africa and start a colony, it's ours. You go there.
If you want. Just like the United States told people
to go to go to Texas and go to Oklahoma
City and then there's land out there, it's ours now.
The colonizing yeah, man. So basically when you're when you're
like telling like America, because they had the Oklahoma Sooners

(35:03):
to go grab land over there, that's a that's a
that's a colonizing move right there, because there's still natives there,
just like when. So that's just it's just that it
was written in courts. You know, go there gravity, it's
a land grab, but people still living there.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Well, And that's what I mean. That's that's what the
British Empire was so good to do.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yes, so we're not talking about America talking about the
British Empire. The British Empire already already had them at
this point on Cuba. At that point they had they
had had on lock Bro.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
They had so many they had like fucking the Cayman Islands,
they had parts of like oh, like.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I lived in fucking Argentina though.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
The Falklands so good at fucking fucking up third world
countries and stealing their land. That's what England was really
good at. So if you talk about anything that the world,
which was most of the world at the time.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
So next time you hear somebody say, all these immigrants
are coming in from India and that's what they're coming
in from everywhere, you gouna they should, these people should
go back and fix their own country. Okay, we'll go back,
but give us back our minerals, give us back our gold.

(36:17):
Heve us back our rubber, give us back our fucking
unskilled laborers. Give us back everything that you took out
of our country before we decided to leave.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Right, Yes, especially places like Mexico, where we took as
much as we took from California, the amount of gold.
We took more gold out of Mexico than we took
out of California.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
And if it wasn't for that, then when people say
that would have money, Mexico would be a super people. Stay.
Salvador is so great, Nikola was so great, water Monon
so great. Hoco. Just go back and fix their country.
Oh man, let me talk about that. Man. There was
this little company called the fucking Fruit Company of the
fifties and the whole different story. Go look up ban.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
American food Fruit Company, Right, is that what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
The ban look at banana wars and Banana Fruit Company,
and then I'll ask you a question.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
But this is something to do with that. That like,
that's the thing. And that's what I like about researching
these subjects on history for fools, because well I always
give the example of Chinese food, okay, And I used
to like, question, this guy's this fool's fucking like sometimes
you would go, let's do this, and I'd be like,

(37:36):
oh man, we're gonna have to do a lot to
fill that hour on just Chinese. But to find out
about Chinese food and what we found out, we had
to find out about the opium wars. Well, why do
the opium wars happen because of silver?

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Well?

Speaker 2 (37:50):
What did that have to do with it? Because England
fucking starved out, tried to starve out the Chinese and
then ended up getting them addicted, and then they starved out,
eventually lost money, came to America only men to work
on the railroads. And this is the significance is that
I used to think Chinese food and we'll get back
on the subject, but I used to think Chinese food
was like are like, you know, we look at Tago

(38:14):
Bell and americanized Mexican food. It's gross to us, right,
I thought Chinese people did the same, But no, it's
part of their culture because when they moved here, there
was nobody to cook for them. There was nobody making
their own food for these men, so they had invent
food products based on what they thought they knew from
Chinese food and so but all that was fascinating, and

(38:36):
I thought we were just gonna do Chinese food. So
when we're doing a subject like this guy right here,
you start to find out why, Well, why was England colonizing?
Why were they in fucking South Africa?

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Had taken all that ivory?

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Bro taking all that ivory, dude, taking all that fucking
all that rubber.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
All Lgeria, Well they took so many the French took
so much rubber out of those trees, bro Bro.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
The Europeans once again, and I hate to sound cliche,
raped the fucking planet in those years, like raped the
and like when we're talking, oh, their colonies are just
trying to spread their people out, No they're not. There's
a reason why those colonies were there. You know what's
fucked up about this story is that when they were
sending people to Cape Towns. Cape Town, they were like, hey,

(39:28):
it's gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
They send farmers. They didn't want to farm.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Well, they couldn't because they had like okay, so that
that period of time there was like a year of
good rain that has never happened since and since before.
So they send all these people there and it's green
for like three months and they're like, we're gonna fucking
We're gonna plant farms here. Dude, ninety percent of that
area is clay. This is what I found out in

(39:52):
the regent. I'm doing here, and ninety percent of his clay.
So they couldn't grow anything. So they all had to
head over to Cape Town and into the city and Johannesburg.
And that's how fucking like they ended up staying there.
The other thing was too, was that you had all
these rich guys that there there they were fighting them.

(40:14):
That's one hundred year African war. And again that's something else.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
When they got there to move there there was that
there was chero keys, and there was prairies and then apaches.
When Oklahoma, Oklahoma sooner showed up. There was Zulu nations, right.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
And then that's the other thing is that you have
you have and I know the name, exact name of
the they were. It was close it's something like that,
but tiger. But they were the Zoza x h O
s A. So they were so the Dutch. This is

(40:54):
one hundred year African war and the Dutch rof fighting
the Zoza first in that area to like clear them out.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Guns against spears.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Were fierce and they fought, and so they had to
send England. And then England was like, we have this
surplus of people, so we're gonna send them in there.
This is kind of what happens to the Emperor Norton's family.
He's two years old when this happens.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Bro about all those so far, I saw a movie
about how those food who were fighting.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Those British brow yeah who.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
At first they sent a bunch of motherfuckers bro right,
and then they got shot. Then we reversed treat. Then
they said more motherfuckers and they got shot. Reversed retreat,
come back. Then they shot more motherfuckers and a bullet
didn't reach it. Motherfucker camped out right there.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
No ship, so they figured out where the bullets stopped
and then that's where they fucking stood their ground ship.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Imagine we would give somebody would give those Zulus their
guns wipe.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
That's the thing, make it fairer, imagine.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
But their new bros. So every night the motherfuckers knew
that they figure out how long it takes to reload,
and how long is how many motherfuckers they could take
out all at once? Right? And you know what who
did this? Who did the same tactic? Bro? When they
stormed Normandy? Bro? Oh really they knew that the German
had the Nazi heart chaillery right there. We were going

(42:15):
to first fifty five thousand American men might get wiped
out by the time they reload. We'll bring in another
five thousand. We're gonna take one.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Oh my god, Bro, that's insane. So we're like, let's dude,
it was your fodder. Your first wave is fodder, just
people to die. And then when they reload, I mean
it's calculated and it's a great fucking tactical movie.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
What those Zulu who are doing get the British they
knew they reload, so they oh ship and they were
just and in the middle of night, Bro, They'll go
in there and share.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
There were songs, were a lot more calculated than the
Native Americans were. I don't know, man, I mean, because
they're still holding on to most of their land. But
I mean, I don't know, right, don't like actually, don't
even fucking don't even quote.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
I saw the movie.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Okay, So here's what happens with this. This is the
common story. It also happened to our heroes family as well,
because these people that are coming over, there's so so
the Dutch needed help to colonize the capes, right this
Cape Town area, I don't know what the fuck it's called.

(43:25):
And they go, and so England says, okay, we're gonna
we're gonna send ninety thousand people. And I think it
was like four hundred thousand, sorry, nine thousand people. Ninety
thousand people applied, only four thousand could go.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, and out of ninety thousand people that applied, only
four it was seventeen thousand of them had could could
like were like verified to go because they had like
clean records and all that, right, they were all fucking
bed bro right. And then out of the fucking oh
seventeen thousand, only four thousand could afford to go. It

(44:04):
wasn't a fucking free trick.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Oh that's right, trick, right, Yeah, it wasn't a free
That's the thing is that people are always like whenever
they hear about colonizers going over on a boat that
they're like, oh, we're gonna start the new world. Those
are people who paid for to do that. Like, like
the only place that didn't do that was fucking Australia.
You had to like earn it by fucking robbing a
bank or something.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
And Miami when Cuban when they showed up to Miami. Ye.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
But yeah, those people, these people had to pay for it, dude.
And and they're paying like ten pounds per person, which
is like, I don't know what's let's see what's ten
pounds worth now in eighteen twenty, Look what's the conversion?

(44:55):
Oh god, that fucking I remember that movie, dude, that's
what's it called. I won't give you the conversion right away,
so it's gonna fuck me like that. But it's quite
amount of it's a lot of money. It's thousands of dollars,
Like you're saving up two three thousand dollars per family member.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah to go over. Yeah. Wow. So so the Emperor
learned all this stuff in's South Africa business there with
his father, and right how he locked all his money
but this food he thought he was in a quarter
of the marketing rice. Right.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Oh you're talking about when he gets to San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, he so in eighteen fifty six he went bankrupt.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Right, But let's talk about how he gets to He
goes from from there to San Francisco, and he has
money first, because that's the thing. Is that because his
dad doesn't leave him with money. No, No, that's that's
what we thought when we first read this. But his
dad actually goes broke and he has a successful business.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Oh but then she was like Trump, where bro that
guy here, here's here's five billion.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I know his dad actually goes to him for money,
and he tells his dad to fuck off, and and
and what happens after that is in this year, bro,
watch check this out. This is so fucked up, bro,
This guy has a fucked up life, dude. So in
eighteen forty six, his brother Louis dies, who he's close to.

(46:23):
But right after that, no, two, three months after Louis dies,
his mom dies. So then his dad, suffering from the
loss of his business, his mom and his son passes
away from the pain itself. So then he dies and
so and then after that his other brother dies. So

(46:44):
in two years, uh, Emperor Norton, josh Joshua Norton loses
six people in his life and you know, like significant
you know people in his life. This is not him,
by the way, Yeah, I'm absolutely sure those are two

(47:04):
colorful of pictures, but it gives you an idea of
what he probably looked like at the time. But yeah,
so he loses like a ton of people. Dude, he's
fucked up. He doesn't have a lot of money himself.
He sells his business, is what they believe, because there's
not a lot of information here at this point as
to how he got his money when he got to

(47:24):
San Francisco. But he got to San Francisco with forty
thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
There was just a little money back then.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Back then. That's like, fucking dude, that's like almost a
million dollars. And so like he and he eighteen fifty
in eighteen forty nine, Yeah, in eighteen forty nine. He
and that's the thing, dude, is that he gets there
with forty thousand. Nobody knows where he got it from.
They believe he either like sold his business and then
made and double his money eighteen fifty and he doubles

(47:55):
his money one point one million. One point one million, Okay,
so I was right. So he comes over here with
forty forty thousand. He's really smart. He diversifies his money.
He got he buys real estate. He doesn't. He has
an import business where he's trading and this is where
we're getting at. He's trading things back and forth. He

(48:17):
he accumulates two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars, which
is almost eight million dollars at the time. So he
goes from forty thousand to twenty, you know, two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars in a in a short amount
of time in San Francisco. And then now the rice.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, but he tot a corner to the market and rise.
Why was there a short of rice somewhere?

Speaker 2 (48:44):
China had had a bad rainy year that year, and
so they declared a rice shortage, and they said no
rice was being exported out of China. And so this
motherfucker was like, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm
gonna buy up all the rice that's left in the
United States are left locally, and I'm going to sell
it at like top dollar. And he would have made

(49:05):
so he he if he had been able to do that,
he would have had so much money that he would
be able to control the market on all grains, and
he would even be able to like cripple the United
States with that something.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Sometimes they didn't know about the northern California that we
grow a lot of rice. Look up on rice patties
and northern Sacramento. And when I did a showback there,
the guy was telling me how a little kid he
to work the rice patties. The rice in the world
come from anyway. So I asked that guy, but what
are the rice patties for like China for rice? No, man,

(49:42):
mostly are owned by course. They made their beer with
the rice, with their own product. Wonder that Shane's wrong.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Bro, Yeah, but our rice, I wonder.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I should be drinking that beer with chops takes, bro.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
So have you ever heard of calros?

Speaker 1 (49:55):
They look at Look at that. That's California, baby.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, that's California right there.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Baby.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Have you ever heard calros rice? It's used all throughout
Japan for their sushi, and calros is short for California
rose rice.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
But you know that the Mississippi or Alabama, a lot
of the people that own farms back in the day,
like I don't know who the president, but they had
no money. And then China came in and said, I
want you guys to start growing these trees because the
tree we need for chop sticks. And now they make
money growing trees.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
No way, are you fucking serious?

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Look up chops take farm and Alabama or Mississippi.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
That's so interesting, dude, that's a very interesting Like.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
But people forget brot that China the big trader, like
when we did our Chinese one, but China might be huge.
But even in seventeen with the seventeen eighty seven man,
when seven years after we'd be fucking in America, when
we've eight years after America was established, we visited China

(51:05):
because we had a shipload of gensing to sell. Right
of being grown in New England.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Yeah, we have ginsen trees. I mean even like when I.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Was at Tobacco that being grown in England, New England. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
That's what's funny is that you think there's a lot
of products that are foreign that we eat and we go, oh,
this is a foreign like you just said, ginsing when
I lived in Berkeley with Jensen, trees everywhere, everywhere, like everywhere.
It's crazy like and they get it from us.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
We don't.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
We don't get it from them. They get it from us.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
So man back to Edward Norton Norton Emperor Norton. In
eighteen fifty nine, Norton declared himself Emperor the United States,
a protector of Mexico.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Well.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
He issued various decrees hold on, including calls for the Trumps,
Bay Bridge or Tonno, and the abolition of the name Frisco,
which everybody just.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
We didn't talk about. How he went broke? Did we
to the Rice? Oh yeah we did, Okay, my bad.
I thought we didn't finish it because we went off
on the rice tangent. My bad. But yeah, yeah, So
he goes crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
That's to tell you about the choptics to go to China.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
So he goes crazy, right, and that's why he declares
himself emperor. What do you Because that's the thing is
they don't really explain why he declares himself Emperor the
United States.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
He also printed his own name. He did, I'm sorry,
printed money and people accepted it right there, didn't look
yeah wow.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah. So you have this guy who, well, what happens
is he walks into the newspaper, he goes broke, He
goes broke, and and and he actually you don't hear
from him for years, and people are like, all of
a sudden, he walks in in this nice gear, you know,
dandied out with a fucking letter to the to the newspaper,
and he leaves it and he bounces.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
All his proclamations were always printed on the paper for free.
And he also enjoyed and traveled fairies and trains for free.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Yes, this is his proclamation to the newspaper. You want
me to read it? Yeah, go ahead, the newspaper. So
he walks in the newspaper with he's an envelope, and
then the next day this comes out in the newspaper.
Have we an emperor among us? The world is full
of queer people?

Speaker 1 (53:27):
This?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah, I know, right. Ah. This forenoon, a well dressed
and serious looking man entered our office and quietly left
the following document, which he respectfully requested we would examine
an insert in the bulletin, promising him to look at it.
He politely retired without saying anything further. Here's the paper.
Here's what he wrote. At the prematory request of large

(53:52):
retoritia of the citizens of these United States, I Joshua Norton,
formerly of Algoa Bay, Cape of Good Hope, and now
for the past nine years and ten months some San Francisco, California,
declare and proclaim myself Emperor of these United States, in
virtue of the authority thereby and me invested, do hereby
order the direct representatives of the different States of the

(54:12):
Union to assemble in the Music Hall of this city
on the first day of February next then and there
to make such alterations in existing laws of the Union
as may alter ameliorate the evils under which the country
is laboring, and thereby cause confidence to exist, both at
home and abroad in our stability and integrity. Norton first

(54:35):
Emperor of the United States, seventeenth of September eighteen fifty nine. Wow. Yeah,
they and they printed that, and so they just the
town kind of went with it. They just started calling
him emperor and they would like bow to him, and
he would collect taxes is from people.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
And one way to become a mobster.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Bro right, but neva like in a nice way because
everybody loved him. It wasn't like he was some jerk
going around threatening everybody like people like found him to
be like entertaining, and he wore those outfits right there.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
He called for the building of the trans Bay Bridge. Yes,
and there.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
And there's one now six years later. And the tunnel
and the tunnel he yeh, So there's a tunnel that
goes underneath the water from and this sounds way crazy,
but it's true. I raally looked at me like I
was crazy. There's a train that there's a train that
goes underneath the water from Oakland to San Francisco, and
embrah Norton said we should have one of those sixty

(55:38):
years before we put it in. He also said that
there should be an assembly of all nations that get
along and trade with each other. And that's why we
have the and it's not why, but we have the
United Nations. They've actually thought about renaming the Golden Gate
Bridge Emperor Norton Bridge, because he like was the one
to first suggest it that demands.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
He was a supporter of progressive ideas like the women's
suffrage and separation of church and state, which later on
became separation of church, which also which I think we
should always continue because brother Obama said separate church and state,
which means if you want to politicize your church, you
gotta pay.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Taxes, right, and I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
And I agree with that too. Bro ay Man, talk
about the Lord help people in your congregation. But once
you talk telling people who to vote, amen, it's trying
to pay taxes.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Pay taxes, bro don't be an influence unless you're willing
to pay taxes.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
A lot of a lot of a lot of Catholic church,
the priests pretty liberals something now that it will get.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Paid, right, Yeah, yeah, and it should be that way.
I'm okay with that.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I'm okay man with Like, we gotta take God back
in the classroom. Na, man, we're good, we're good. Get
the pleasure of allegiance to America. That's all we need, right.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
I don't even care about that, to be honest with you.
But people can.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Get out of here. Broka here take your hat, Emperor.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I'm going back to Mexico.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Boys.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Yeah, dude, I don't know, I don't know. The pledge
of allegiance, go for it, but.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
There's big wigs and there's big hats people to do
a pleasure of allegiance. No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
I think they're gonna bring it back now that Trump's
in office.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
But one of the kids to go pleasure allegiance to
the flag of the United States of America and to
the Republic for just that one nation under God, under God,
indivisible and liberty and justice for all.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Are you a fan of the Pledge of Allegiance? But
that but that's not praying, right, But it's saying one
Nation under God.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Okay. And because because we have to play and junior high,
they used to be like.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
That peraps when you go to sleep, and I can't
remember what the morning one is.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
But it us out right. Yeah, we had Jehovah witness
in our classroom and they were excluded from it and
I just sat there.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah, they're not allowed to do any of that stuff.
I will say the Pledge of Allegiance, Okay, I'll say it,
but I don't think you should be forced to say it,
because I think that like, one Nation under God is
a hard thing for me because we do decree in
our nation that we separate church and state. Again, listen,
I'm a god faring person. But if we're saying that
this is the fucking rule, then follow the fucking rules.

(58:35):
I don't understand, like, oh, it's okay to not have
church and state here, but then in our pledge of Allegiance,
we forced kids to be like one nation under God?
What God? What God?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Exactly? Thank you your God, whatever God? You believe it, I.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Guess, and they should and maybe they should make that
clear when they teach us that, but they don't. And
that's what's pissing these fucking white people off in Oklahoma.
They're like, fucking we want a pledgeable agents back because
they'll do that no more Christian No, No, I didn't
know that. Yeah, they got rid of it, but they're
gonna bring a long time. I'm going to bring it back.

(59:09):
I haven't been in school a long time. I haven't
been in schooling a long time.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
So you're some Bobby his school growing up, they didn't
do the.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Especially in liber Lass fucking California where he goes to school,
you know, but I think some states they still did it.
In some schools they still did it. I know, I'm
gonna get a ton of ship for this in the comments.
But yeah, no, you.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Think of if they would have bring back those the
classes that our fathers had, would be a better world.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
No, No, because look at our dads.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
So I'm just saying, like, but because I was listening
to the black dude time talking. He said that when
he was at school, they had wood chopped class and
he learned carpentry. They have mechanics and electronics, right, yeah, right,
and they had glass you learn, well, I have metal shops, bro,

(01:00:05):
I know how to wild when I was in seventh great, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah, you were telling me that that's crazy welder bro. Wow, Okay,
yes we should if you're talking about those like trade classes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
So what happened was what happened was some liberal decided
was how come they have those classes in the inner city,
but white people are being taught history, fucking computers and
this and that. Then they got rid of all those
classes and we got the same classes that white people did.

(01:00:38):
But then again when people graduated, they had no more skills.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
No, well, we're facing that problem now is that we
don't have a lot of tradesmen. We have a lot
of kids that are going to college for bullshit things
like fucking underwater backs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
You're saying we need more. We need Emperor Norton back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, oh, I definitely Norton. I agree though, Yes, we
need the trades we need, but we also need music.
We also need educating people on history, sciences, mathematics, stuff
like that. You know. I think it's it's one thing.
You know, it's funny that we go, oh, well, we
don't need trades at all anymore. Yeah, we do. And
then now we're struggling to find people to do things

(01:01:17):
like just fucking build houses or fucking bring planes in
for God's sakes, you know, because everybody was going for
college education. Do we need college educated people? Yes, stay
going to college. But also if you don't feel like
going to college, enter the trades. Fucking there's so many
things you could do. But yeah, I think all that
stuff should be. The thing that I thought you were

(01:01:38):
talking about was like just the complete ignorance of how
we were teaching our you know, our parents back in
the day, like that the Native Americans didn't have it
that bad, and they didn't make slavery sound as bad
as it was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
You know, when I was a kid, bro are you
a history book had a little bit of session of Vietnam,
and we skipped it. See, we know we skipped that.
We moved on to the World War Two.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
We want yeah, right, don't you think it would have
helped to know Vietnam? Don't you think it would have
helped to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Know more about World War Two in this podcast? Right? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
And that's the thing, man, is I feel like, you know,
it's like, what's the importance of knowing about Vietnam in
your life? Like really there's not? Right, Oh my god, bro,
But over overall human humanity, we should know that we
tried to fuck over a country.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
I saw this slavery movie one time in my classroom,
and I swear to God, bro, it was, well, I
guess I'm you want to say, what woke is this this?
We were not woke? I love it woke, okay live?

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
What movie is this again?

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
I think the more shot by Disney. But it was
just showing a slave's life. All right? Oh fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Is this an old school movie?

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Old school movie education? You know what? God?

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Love?

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
But the just showed this slave lady and her kids
and her daughter and her husband and they work in
a slave house and they show him mak ingim bacon.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yes, this is this? This is that I think you're
I think this is but.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
One when that one bro, when he gets whipped, birds
fly out of his back, mister bluebird on my shoulder,
it's a smack.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Yeah, dude, I think it's about slavery. She's trying to
say it's not. But that's it's all. It's about the
Civil War, or it's a Civil War era thing that's slavery.
The old fucking Civil War was about slavery, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
But see what happened? Was this what happened, bro? When
when remember when people say, well the Democrat it was
it was the Republicans who freed the slave. Yeah they did,
and there was a Republicans who did yea, they did.
But also it was oh my god, yeah it was
the Democrats were the slave own Yeah they were. But

(01:04:08):
it wasn't too When when the Democrats came up with
the where the fucking Civil Rights Bill under fucking Lyndon B. Johnson,
he signed it, he was a Democrat, he's a Democrat,
but the whole South Democrats they were totally against it,

(01:04:29):
totally against it. That's when they made the Swiss to Republicans.
At that moment, when when when ALB. Johnson signed the
Civil Rights Bill, all those people that were Democrats they
became Republicans. And after they became Republicans, there's this big
shift on making a South friendly. So then sen year

(01:04:53):
later you get to do some hazard you know, stories
about the South where they're trying to make the South
really friendly, you know, and then there's just's movies like that, like,
you know, to dis forcop you forget that the South
was fucking where it all started because the Democrats now
are the good ones that well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
And that's the thing that kind of drives me that
to someone who votes democratically is like people always go, well,
just so you know, the Republicans fucking free the slaves. Well, yeah,
there was a whole civil rights Sarah where the Republicans
were like, Okay, we're fucked up, but we're not that
fucked up. And then that's when they turned into Democrats.
That's when the Democratic Party, I'm sorry, yeah, that's when
the Democratic Party started to shift. And and people don't

(01:05:39):
and it's literally like a trade places type deal. It
was like, what do you believe in? I believe in
oppressing people and giving more of a care fox about
money than I do about poor people. Okay, you're a
Republican now, but I used to be a Democrat, I know,
but you can't be there anymore. You're now on the
Republican side, and that's how it happened. So it's like,
don't pull that shit on me, dude, Like, yeah, we

(01:06:01):
had to fucking we had to figure that shit out.
And then and then you know, like it's so funny
to me that it's like they're trying to soften up
the vibe back then of the South and it's like, nah, man,
you guys wanted to keep them fucking separate. Just admit it,
just admit it. Just just admit we fucked up. Like

(01:06:22):
that's all we want you to I think that's all
anybody wants you to do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
America.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
It's just me like American white people, I don't know.
I don't know who to talk to, bro, because whoever's
getting bad, whoever's getting bad, just be like, you know
what we had, slavery, We did it. We fucked up bad.
Oh my god, that was bad. We can't give you
guys money anymore because it's been too long, But you
know what, come to school with us. We'll tell you
how it went down. What's wrong with that why can't

(01:06:50):
we learn about slavery anymore? I don't understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Dude, because brood good because I was not all white people.
Some white people feel like they've done so much damage
that and they feel so guilty, that feel too fulls
think that there's we're not gonna take revenge one day.
We don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
We don't like it's too late.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
We don't want revenge. I just want what you have.
I want this. They get rid of these social programs.
I'll figure out why, bro Because Democrats they want to
help everybody disability. Okay, just take Medicare. Medicare. Democrats feel
like every American should be allowed to have Medicare, and

(01:07:37):
Republic can say, you know, man, there's some people out
there who don't deserve the Medicare and they're abusing the program,
and we're gonna get rid of the whole all the
ship until they get it right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
So people have that's the thing. This is what's crazy.
People have to break it down. You totally did. And
here's the thing, man, before Republic.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Everybody Democrats, everybody is allowed that medicure. Republic can't say
there's three fools out there who are don't deserve it,
but they're getting it, and we're gonna end this way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Sure, it saves mothers and children, but there's people ripping
us off, and we need to end that first. Here's
the thing. First of all, I'll be fair to Republicans
because I know that we have Republican viewers. I don't
want to fucking I don't want to pissy god. I
don't want to turn this into a political thing. Both
parties care about lives, but both parties have a different
I feel Republicans feel like they could save lives with money,

(01:08:31):
and I feel like Democrats are saying money is not important.
Lives are most important, and I think Republicans are saying, well,
you can't save lives without money, and so it becomes
that battle. And so I just want to be fair.
But yeah, it does not make sense to me to say, look,
there's ten guys ripping off the whole system, but it
saves one hundred moms and children. I'd rather ten guys

(01:08:53):
get away with fucking three hundred dollars a month in
free groceries.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Let me tell you what happened. I won't bring it
down to you wrong. I'm about breaking it down to
you Bro. How one time I'm making beans and rehab
for a bunch of people, right, and I put like
too much garlic. Okay, you know what I did. I'll
open up five kinds of beans and cover it up.

(01:09:19):
And that's how you take care of the medicare exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Bro, let's just crack up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Yeah, there's three people. There's three people that are abusing it.
Would you add another fifty thousand to the program?

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
I feel like, hey, listen, bro, and if you could
abuse it. Here's the thing, because ah, someone who used
to abuse the system himself. People would get mad at
me and be like, you have a job and you're
still collecting eve me tea? How motherfucker? How many times
I get pulled over for no reason, giving a ticket
and charge fucking five hundred two one thousand dollars for
no bullshit? How many times you get ripped off the government?

(01:09:53):
Fucking Also, all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
The medical care abuse stars stars at the hospital, they
don't start with it, the visuals trying to abuse medicare.
If you go to the hospital and you got stabbed
by her cousin, you go into no idea and make
up a name.

Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
Don't even look, don't even search it. They don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
You can give a fake name.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
You just get all sewing up, come back to a party.
I didn't know. Tell your cousin, motherfucker. Just youyoe me.
I have a friend who you don't said this. Yeah,
that comedian we had Annie Apalapa with her name is
uh huh oh oh, it's her name Annie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
I can't say it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I'm not Gonnaplasia.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Yeah, it's Appalachia or something like that. I can't, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
She works for the medical district. She said she has
something wrong. She just goes to the hospital with a
fake name and the care of her dude. So, I bro,
she had I know a lady who had a baby,
and that baby had a fake name only because she
she tore the hospital a fake name.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Right, Oh no, poor baby.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Yeah man, Tanya Estrada, that really means to be Tanya
no way.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Instead of being Eric Estrada's daughter, she was I'm Escalante's daughter.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Yeah, bro, wow, she was an easy peze Japan.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Bro. Well, so when I was, I didn't, okay, I had.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
I mean, you've been a stabbed before, right and or
heart it just went into it nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Yes, okay, So I had an absessed under my armpit
where I couldn't even close my arm it was so big.
But at the same time, I had like a pretty
high wanted level for not showing up for court for
traffic tickets, not for anything else. I had like seventy
thousand dollars in traffic tickets that I owned, and so
I and I didn't know how the wanted system works.
I didn't know that because you see on TV them

(01:11:45):
going to the hospital all of a sudden get arrested.
So I was all, I got to give a fake name.
So I gave a fake name, and then they took
care of me. And then after that I was given
fake names all the time to that hospital. And then
the years later, I asked a buddy about it because
he worked in the building and goes, I go, what
do you guys do about that? And they goes, I
don't do anything about it, Like we go after Hey,

(01:12:05):
we go after the people who gave us the real name.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
You know, you know the Medicare ship starts in the hospital.
It is the fact. As far as my one head
of her son baby, right, Isaac Hayes, Yes, he had
them all right. She supposed to the hospital, stay supposed
to take here for three or four days whatever, right,
it could be three, it could be four, but I'm
not gonna add any more days. She left that too,
She said, you can't leave that too. We're gonna charge

(01:12:29):
a bit insurance for four go I'm leaving all.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Right, Yeah, and the hospital could have just that. She
left that too, but they want that money.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
They want the money, bro, they want that mon money.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
So she left that. She left that too, but the
hospital wrote down fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Boor right, Well, do you see what you see?

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
What I mean? Yeah, it's the medicare, the hospital. It
didn't the individual American bro, it didn't. They didn't illegal
immigrants and the fucking whatever South African who just showed up.
It's the system. It's the system. If there is broken,
nobody's fixing it. And then you fix it. The system

(01:13:11):
rebuilt itself because it's it's like AI. You think AI
is gonna You think AI is gonna fix fraud. Uh
AI is gonna realize where's fraud and then the frog
gonna continue. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Right, We're gonna see how we can fraud you legally.
That's what AI is gonna do.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
The hospital, they'll charge your bro, for a broken leg,
even though they put a badding.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
This is the thing, bro, is that so many times
they put and and you know what, I'll exclude immgrants,
but immigrants are involved in this so many times people minority.
But dude, who's really fucking you over? Like when you
go into the hospital and you get a pillow in
your fucking ambulance, that's fucking like a thousand bucks for

(01:13:53):
that pillow. Like, why the fuck is a pillow? Where
in the world outside of a fucking hospital does a pillow.
I'm not even fucking with your bag of popdude. One
time I had a bag of popcorn and ice cream
for a diabetic thing. They charged me for that, Dude.
The charge was like fucking like over a grand for
that for those two things.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Bro. I seen motherfucker that I grew up with running
of the hospital with a big bullet hole in a
bandage when they told him they're gonna charge of twenty
five Yeah, dude, just pass me up. I'm round go
back in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
The streets, right dude, we're sitting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
See if we're bloody feet off there?

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Bro, people are dying because people are like, oh, we
can't afford.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Your homeboy that didn't do that crazy comedian. He showed
up with a Oh that was a part of that,
right bad. Wait he was wearing a hospital going on stage.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Oh yeah, you're talking about uh uh the sales just
scales back in the day would show up in a
hospital gown and fucking.

Speaker 5 (01:14:54):
Yeah, hey, bro, the average joe, the average joe who
grew up like us, who's not rich, did grow up
middle class, right, know that we could get free dental
if we wait all day?

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Yes, yeah, exactly. You go down to the basement of
of Oakland General and that's where you can get free
tooth extractions. Like they can't fix your tooth, but they'll
pull it out for free.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
But I've been really sick, Bro, I got it. I went,
I got it into a little baby cleanic and paid
sixty bucks. Care me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Yeah, you have to, you have to find those sliding scales.
I took my china to fucking Damien Pruitt, good comic.
I had to take him to a hospital, like a
real hospital, because he was like, oh, I have a
high blood pressure and all these problems, and I was like,
where the fuck are you going. He shows me the
clinic that they're that his insurance suggested nearby, and it's like,

(01:15:50):
I wouldn't send my dog to this fuck, Like, what
the fuck? This is America. This is the richest country
in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
When the Chinese the little clinic with a Korean late doctor,
I had to open the shade, bro, and I could
see people's feet walk by.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Yeh, dude, nice.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
That's a tranquilizer, Bros. When you put me to sleep,
and then she showed me this comedian Ernie stand up
comedy because you have anything for anesthesia, and she fucking
cry chopped me and her hair.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
I find a sleep and I woke up. My ham
rows were gone.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Jeez. Stand up special days.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
I had to fight a CD player play it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Oh my god, that's hilarious, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Oh fuck, So what's up, bro, mister fucking Emperor Norton here?

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
So yeah, man, I mean for that was the thing
was like the community accepted this guy. He became really famous.
I wanted to just mention a couple of people that
he beefed with, because back in these times, there was
no Internet, there was no TV, there wasn't even really
radio that was reaching all these people. So like entertainment
was super local, and there was two people that Everra

(01:17:18):
Norton would kind of beef with, and one of them
was George Washington. The second who claimed he was George
Washington's son. Oh my god, yeah, George, so George So.
George Washington was planning to leave the DC anyway, but
Ebra Norton decreed that he'd be banished from San Francisco
and so he because he was sleeping with the same
girls that ever Norton was trying to hook up with.

(01:17:39):
But Everra Norton was more popular than Oofti goof Tee.
Goof Ty was a guy that like had no pain
receptors in his body, and he did all kinds of
different circus sacks. And one of the first things he
did was he covered him himself in tar and he'd

(01:18:02):
put horse hair on him, and he claimed himself to
be like a human horse. And but he found out
quickly that once you cover your body in tar, you
can't sweat, and so he got really sick and they
had like to dip him in like some sort of
like thing to get the tar off. So so his
next move was this is my favorite, bros. He had
no pain receptors on his head. So people paid the

(01:18:25):
smack of over the head with a fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Baton FUCKINGFTFTOFTI goof tie yeah, bro, And now was the
beginning of the do operade, right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
But Emprah Norton, you know, like that was the thing
is people did love him. He would collect taxes which
were actually donations, and people claimed, like, bro, this guy
actually if he taxed us what he does, he would
be fair, like he was actually like his decrees everything
he was. If he was a real ruler, he would
have been a good ruler, is what people had claimed.
This is what the books were about everything. But he

(01:19:05):
eventually died. He died of a heart attack. Oh wait,
one more thing. Police did try to there was so
police had it because he was crazy. And one day
he was chilling in a hotel and I think he
was looking a little shabby in the hotel manager was
new and he tried to kick him out, and he
wouldn't leave because he was like, Yo, I'm fucking Emperor Norton, Bitch,
don't be fucking trying to kick me out of shit.
Like theaters had seats for him for him to chill in,

(01:19:28):
you know, like they had their own little seat like
for him, you know, to go in and see he
had reserved tickets. But this one time a hoteler tried
to kick him out, called the cop. The cop was new,
so he arrested him. By the time he got to
the fucking jail, the whole city was up in arms.
So they had to release him, and then the captain

(01:19:49):
released him, and then after that, I'm sorry, the chief
release him. And then the chief made every police officer
salute him and call him emperors. He would go by
from that point and so he was respected. He was
respected all the way till he died. He died of
a heart attack. He died in the arms of a

(01:20:09):
police officer who tried to get him help, but was
not able to get him help in time. But he
died and left a huge legacy behind. Sixty years later,
the bridge that he the bridge that he thought of,
was the Golden eight Bridge was developed. A train tunnel
system that went underneath the bay from from Oakland to
San Francisco was developed. The fucking this is all like

(01:20:34):
sixty years later. A lot of his stuff. Man, amazing guy,
Emperor Norton. He was ahead of his time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Bro It's weird because of the West Coast is known
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Huh weirdo.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Yeah, like we didn't look into a pretty sure poorly
had by the mayor of fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Are you the La Pirate? Oh my god, I was
a big fan of the bro now I met him.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
So we were I was visiting and you had an
apartment with Edwin, was it at the time? Christmas? Edwin
and and and Lloyd Christmas living together.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Right and fucking Lloyd Christmas Christmas is comic. Sean Latham,
Sehn Latham, We're all like Sean Latham, PILs Like meets
with us, me and Chris Dorn in downtown l A.
And he goes, you want to come back to my
place with me and Edwin and we're like yeah. And
on the way there we meet the La Pirate and

(01:21:39):
he's this black.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Guy with an Ipado pirate and a pirate hat and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Like he's selling stuff too, bro. Yeah, he sold eight
by tens and he had art of him chiling in
front of the La River and I bought that one
off him. I don't know what I did with that, peace.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Look at it. Yeah, that's I have a.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Picture of him just like that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
That's regular pirate. Yeah, he won't go into a bar.
It we'll call the bars. The bar's closed. Yeah, what's
the name of that bar? Bro, another crazy motherfucker that
was sitting in a chair. You're sitting on pancakes chair.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Yeah, well so he so so Lloyd Christmas brings him
up to to his apartment with us.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Nobody about that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
So Bro come on up with us, and the pirate
goes in. He was fucked up. He's stank too.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
But you guys want to fuck up to we were off.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
We're drunk and fucking Edwin looks over at me as
soon as he goes in. The battery goes Sean brought
a homeless guy into my apartment. I was like, I
thought he was famous. I don't know who this guy is. Yeah,
so you guys have the l A PI.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Yeah, look at it, bro is he Yeah he was
a legend for a while. Man, Ricky the Pirate. Everybody
would take photos of him. It's like eight o seven
four oh five, Oh sakes. Yeah, and that fool like, honestly, man,
if you wanted like crack, he'll get it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
For you, he would. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
The guy was a good a good guy. I love
that and a lot of the a lot of the
hipster artists of the art district of that era of
four oh five or six or seven h eight, they
have pictures of him. Man, what, bro, there's a photo shoot,
look for Ricky the pirate photo shoot, and bro, they

(01:23:38):
pay that food in crack or something, bro, because he's
like smoking in a side.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Cracked No way, bro. Fuck yeah, dude, yeah they have
you know, we have uh we Sanjose. There's Birdman. There's
the Birdman. That's right, we have the Birdman of San Jose.
Shout out to Birdman, who also came out.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
And he was with a parrot.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Yeah, he runs, he drives, he rides around with a
parrot on his shoulder. I mean there's also the skates
roller skating cowboy from San Jose. You had let the
fucking and Captain Caveman.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
You had like ular Pirates. The bathroom.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Yeah, yeah, he came upstairs and we're all hanging out
and he's like, man, use your bathroom, and he goes
into the bathroom and fucking you can see Edwards just like,
why is there a homeless guy in our house?

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
He blew it up. It spelled there, It is there,
It is there. He is a regular pirate bro famous.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Hell, yeah, dude, good for you, Ricky. I hope is
he still alive?

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
You know he passed away.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
He passed away. God damn, I don't know how he died. Huh,
rest in peace.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Well he had a good run.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Yeah, he had a good run. Good for you, Ricky
the Pirate.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Oh man, did you ever meet the other It was
another homeless man that he was just a regular guy.
He walked out. He was not a homeless, but we
were just smart bro. One time he was talking to
no I think it was a someone was walking over
the lady, maybe Edwin, and he was talking to him.

(01:25:05):
And then like some other guy talked to other guys,
to other homeless sort. I talked to Edwin and the
lady in front of that this homeless and the homeless
guy said, come on, man, one bump per custom. So Bro,
I gave Ricky Pirate, Ricky the Pirate my merch and

(01:25:25):
says Philipp's parza and my my space on it. And
I gave it to that homeless guy, and I gave
it to another homeless guy. So people when people walk
up to me and go, Philippe were on the streets,
is you're funny. I know who did.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
It right, right?

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
So I told him where my T shirt? Bro? And
every time I see you and you're wearing a T
shirt one buck, oh ship the time I see him, Bro,
you wear my T shirt downtown one dollar. But it
was funny. Man, you gotta let that Ricky the Pirate
in a bathroom. Man take a dounk going ah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
I'm sorry, I never have myself, and like, I think
we're just all wasted. And I didn't know he was
like homeless homeless at first until we started we got
in the elevator together, I'm all, Oh, this motherfucker's homeless
because he smelled like shit and body odor. Homeless people
have a certain odor to them. And yeah, I was like, man,
this guy is gonna fuck up the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
Yea like the pirate dog. Yeah alright, p And he
did hit. He had the loose shirt like a pirate. Sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Yeah, he dressed like the whole Gamut.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
Sometimes he wore the hat like. I think he was
a lot of every club.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
You could drive down the street in l a stick
your head out the window and like, bro, because sometimes
we'd go looking for him and go and you can
hear him like two blocks away.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Also, Bro, there's a fucking pirate of Moral Bay, is
it really? And he played a kung shell every hour?

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
No way, dude, See, I think that's what I might
if I don't make it in comedy. Bro, I'm gonna
be like I'm gonna be like the viking of a city,
like a polls Bo like Washington, or fucking pirate Steve.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Bro more bab brother it is he plays the kunksholl Bro.
He's at homeless tho and he has a ship right
here's a ship that takes people out to eat. Right.
At one time, Bro, there was a fucking biker that
showed up and he was late on his data. He
didn't plan a trip. He goes, you have room for

(01:27:27):
two more matis, and that fool said the boat was taking.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Now, I don't give a funk about you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Oh, we're not the same you and me. I'm a pirate,
you're a biker.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Also, many in Venice Beach is a famous guy too. Bro,
there was the fucking uh the guy in the beach
screws or some buff ast full Oh yeah you think
he has no pictures? He wanted to pay five bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
For a picture out of here, Bro, I'm gonna take
you the pirate.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
He had eight by ten somebody printed for him and
they will salom See.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
That's cool. I get that. But if you already know
you're a celebrity and you're trying to sell your shit,
especially if you have partly didn't have no money, Bro,
I didn't mind giving him ten bucks for a piece
of art, but I'm not gonna give that buff guy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
It was like a competition for money in the homeless area.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Huh, yeah, yeah, there is. If you go to Venice, Bro,
It's it's always like someone rolling up on here, like
like back in the day with like CDs and shit.
Or I hate those guys the same shit. Oh who's that? No,
who's that? I don't know who that is, but it's
a bald, buff guy I think you're talking about, right, whatever, Yeah,

(01:28:39):
what's up?

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
Everybody?

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
History for fools, have had fun. When are you not
coming up next?

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
I'm coming to the I'm going to Albuquerque Tech. I'm
going to a lot of places, but check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Look.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
I'm coming June seventh to tosak Lahoma, guys, tostok Lahoma,
see you there June thirteen. We don't know a better
Jo to twenty first Sa Juanita, Arizona, Deserdemic Casino July twelve,
Albertquerque July August two, Ambob bro from July twelfth to
August two. While a long time, I guess I'll be.

(01:29:14):
I'll be afterdam August fourteen, Irvine. I'gust fifteen, Irvine, Irvine
shows nice.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
All right, dude, Well, thanks for watching again. We love you, guys,
and we'll see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
We'll see you, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Man boom boom boom boom boom.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
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