EP 75 - The Life of OJ Simpson and "People v. Simpson" - History for Foos

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Speaker 1 (00:44):
History for fools? What's up everybody? Yo?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
What up?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
You know? How fast Oldie Simpson was?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
How fast?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Faster than the speed of law?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Apparently not a apparently? Well maybe he slowed down with age.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, I read? How many books have you read about? O? J? Simpson?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
So I read one and a half because I started
getting through. I read the Dominic Dune book, which was,
Oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
God, that other boy you read it. We'll get back
to that one.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
It was another I can't remember then the name and
the author. But I started to watch the thirty for
thirty documentary, and the thirty for thirty documentary had way
more information, way more information. What books did you read?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I have read? If I did it by O? J. Simpson?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
See, I wanted to get to that. I didn't have
time to get to that this one.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
And I read the book read that was written by Resner,
his old his wife's best friend.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yes, yeah, okay, I read that book Faith.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah yeah, But she wrote that book. She when she
was writing lyons, she was doing lines.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Probably it's okay.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
I wanted to read that think she did a bump
after every chapter. But but she wrote a book in
the according to what she witnessed and because she was
your wife's best friend. Did you find that I read
your book too the the dominic time? If I did it,
my got that one.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Bro Okay, See, I wanted to get to this one.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
And Mark Furman's book, I I have a feeling I
read it before, but I don't remember reading it. And
you also read also Mark Urman's book was was Mark
Furman's book is called a Murder in Brentwood, Okay, And
it was written and I don't know when it was written,

(02:48):
but yeah, the book was originally like two thousand pages okay,
but then it took the N word out and it
became like twelve.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I didn't even see that one coming, bro.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
No Bud. Mark Furman though he wrote another book that
you should read. Bro Okay, Oh my god. That book
is about what would me say? Mark Furman is spoken.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Murdering, spoken murdering Brentwood.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Sonny witness that one over there, simple MAXI murder, the
Moxie Murder of the Murdering Greenwash. Great book he wrote
on that one. Bro. That one, this this guy got
away with murdering his girl only because he was a
Kennedy bro. Uh. His name was and this guy, he's
related to Earl's Kekeo the comedian. Okay, yeah, but he's

(03:47):
like he's Earl's cake Goo is far removed. Okay, don't
get don't get a twisted But that guy is CaCO
and he got away with murdering uh getting with murder
when I was sixteen living Greenwich fool is bro rich Okay,
and he's like he murdered this girl named mox something Moxley. Okay,
the good book.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
And then mark Urman those mark Urman writes good books.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Then a good book, right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I don't know if we're jumping ahead here, but I'm
wondering how you feel about Mark Urman over all of this,
because I was I mean to start out by saying
like I did not know anything about the age OJ
thing except that he was suspected of murdering his wife
and that there was a lot of evidence against him
that I felt like the majority of the public thought

(04:36):
he was guilty. But that was all I knew. I
had no clue actually, so you know, reading the book
and half and then also watching the thirty for thirty
doc was like, I get I get it now, I
get why so many people were.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Oh, there's another book all here, and that one I
should have read, cause this guy a good writer. He wrote,
he wrote actually Good Fellas Vincent who glows glows, glossy, blowsy. Yeah,
he wrote the the book that became Goodfellaslos. Yeah, he

(05:12):
wrote on Helter Skelter.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
I think, oh wow, okay.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah he wrote it. He wrote Helter Skelter.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
And then he wrote OJ something about OJ. Yeah, okay,
Oh he wrote Helter Skelter. Yeah, no, ship, Okay, that's
about the Manson family murders we should probably cover at
some point.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, so he wrote Outrage.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh yeah, I rare you a big Manson fan Manson
Family murders. And it's weird to say that. I know,
it's weird to say that.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I really thought he wrote I thought he wrote Good Fellas.
Who wrote the book Wise Guys. I think he wrote
Wise Guys. No, Nicholas Nicholas wrote the Wise Guy. My
bad on that one. Another Italian writer. Yeah, Nicholas Peleg
he's a good writer too. He wrote the book Goodfellas, bro.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Life in the Mafia Family Wise Guys.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, he wrote the book Wise Guy. Yeah. He's the
one that sat down with Henry Hiro and they wrote
they wrote Wise Guy, which is the the book they
became Goodfellas.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Right, and then also the Lutansa heist came out of
that whole story as well.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah. I don't know who wrote those things that. Maybe
he wrote it too, I think, man. But let's talk
about Donovan his book and we talked about the.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, I know, I just wanted to see if the
guy wrote.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
That or not.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Daniel Simon Bromon, Okay, yeah, because that was also a
really good book.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
He's the son of what's his name, the one they killed.
I think they killed his father. Father was my the
guy they killed. Like, oh, what they like for you
when you got mad?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Oh? Really? Oh yeah? Yeah, okay, all right. Yeah. So
Dominic Dunn, you guys went right before I left, and
this last episode that we did on the La Riots,
you and Lisa both recommended that I read the book
by Dominic Dunn called Uh in My not in My

(07:27):
City but another and uh. It's a book about it's
it's actually it's it's semi fictional, is the best way
to say it, because everything in it is true and accurate,
except for the character in the book who is playing
the writer of the book Dominic Dunn, and then the
book The guy's name is Gus. And the thing that's

(07:52):
so fascinating about all this is that Dominic Dunn's daughter
And I didn't know how famous he was until I
started talking about to my girlfriend and she was like,
who's the author of this that you're talking about? And
I'm like, toomic done. She's like, oh my god, it's
my favorite. It's one of my favorite reporters in Vanity Fair.
But he's a reporter. And what his story is is
that he was started out out here in la as

(08:16):
a movie writer and kind of got bounced out. I
don't know if his life fell apart after his daughter
was murdered. But this is why this book is so important,
because he was a His daughter was a victim of
domestic abuse herself. She was married to a guy that

(08:38):
would beat her and then ultimately killed her when she
tried to leave him, which is pretty much what OJ did.
And so he's writing this book, though, and he's writing
it from someone else's perspective, and I wonder if he's
writing it that way because he could talk about the
things that people told him not to talk about. Because
he talks about so many things and if there's parts

(09:00):
were there, like, hey, so and so came up to
me and said, hey, this is off the record. But
by the way, Ron Goldman was this or this happened,
And so I feel like if he wrote about someone
else that he was able to fit all that stuff
in because this is and this is the thing is
that you kind of got to know the OJ case
to begin with in order to read the book. So

(09:21):
I would recommend reading because I had to go back
and reread it after watching the thirty for thirty and stuff.
But man, what an amazing fucking book. Bro. It's probably
one of the best books I ever read. Yeah, it
was so fascinating.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
And then a lot of stuff that he talks about
on that book you didn't know about it. So he
mentioned that, like how many people were attracted to the case?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Right, yes, how.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Many people want to hang out with him? Bro?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Bro. Princess Die flew him out to hang out with
England so that he could just have lunch and talk
about the case. Nancy Reagan, who was like babysitting Ronald
at the time and like her release, was to meet
up with Dominic Dunn and talk about the OJ case.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I know he was not even all there, right, no,
because every time he say, oh, Jay, Ron Reagan was staying,
I'll take them.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I don't know about that, but by then Ronald Reagan
was pretty pretty deep in it that they wouldn't even
like bring him out publicly because he was like, really,
you know, ailing.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Wasn't They had a great joke about Robert Shimo had
a great joke about Ron Reagan's Alzheimer's. Okay, I love
Rob Imagine you know imagine you know, like Ron Reagan's Alzheimer's.
You know he's reading on newspaper Babega has Alzheimer's that

(10:56):
my friend is Robert Shimmel. Goal Find Him is one
or special. It'll change your life, it will, It changed mind?
It did. Oh my favorite joke he did on that
special was a guy an airplane parachute of then't open
and lives to tell that story. Yeah, I like to

(11:17):
hear that story.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Rob Shimmel is the first comic I ever.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Seen, the dirtiest comic that was likable dirty.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I wan of the thing I like about Rob Shimmeal
is because at the time that I started doing comedy,
and even a little bit now, but not so much
people will ask if you're clean or they want they
demand There's certain people like that guy in Reno that
demand clean comedy, and and I was like, oh, fuck,
did i just get into comedy at the wrong time,

(11:52):
because I'm not a clean comic necessarily. I wasn't at
the time. And Rob had done this show Oh where
he did an interview and he talks about being a
dirty comic and how it's an art form itself, Like
it's one thing to be fucking dirty and nasty, but
to do it to where people will laugh and come
and see you is in itself a great art form,

(12:13):
which I really I had a lot of respect for
that guy.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
He helped write uh.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Sug Mike Tython's dick for a million dollars. Yeah, one
of his jokes.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Oh, I don't know if I would, But you can't
really ask that question.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Without one of his bits, you know, for a million dollars, Yeah,
I'll blow in front of my parents, Yeah, he goes still,
probably this old me before a million dollars, I could
afford the embarrassment.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Right, that's immediately what I thought.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I'm butchering his bits, but whatever, Right, But get back
to OJ Broka. By the way, I'm out of og.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Oh yeah, I didn't even notice you were drinking OJJ
look at you, bro.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
OJ Simpson is from used to work at Mountain Mike's
Pizza with Butcher's dad and they to hang out and ship.
They used to play football together. Butch's dad would tell
him he a micho. She get into football homes and

(13:24):
then like OJ was like, Migo, we're about to stay
made homie. Well way, long story short. Oji went on
to be a football player and Butch's dad went on
to Vietnam.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
That's kind of true, A lot of and a lot well.
My my dad played against OJ when they were in
junior college. OJ played for San Francisco State University. My
dad played for Foothill San Francisco City College, and my
dad played for Foothill, which was a city college Mountain View,
and they would play each other. My dad didn't know

(14:01):
he has a program that has OJ's name on it,
but I asked him. And I remember during the the
OJ when OJ first did it and then was on
the run with Al Collings. I remember watching it with
my dad right before I left to go buy weed,
and he was like, I was like, what do you
think about this? And he goes, I don't know if

(14:21):
I believe it yet, And I was like, why the
evidence hadn't come out yet, And he goes, this is
the nicest person I've ever I've known to be. Like
he said that they were playing, when they were played
against each other, that OJ hit a guy so hard
that tried to tackle him that he broke half the
bones in his body, like broke his ribs and his
leg and shit, yeah, OJ just piled into him, you know.

(14:45):
And and he goes, OJ sat in the hospital with
that guy every day till he was released from the hospital.
And he goes, I'll never forget that. He's all because
he was already popular by then, he was already famous.
Which actually learning about OJ this hall trying to make
sense now to me, it was a totally legal hit.
He just the guy. I mean, OJ must have been

(15:06):
like a fucking brick house bro, Like.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Who's already solid right in high school.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Fucking bro people are already talking about him huge. Yeah,
he was already huge. He was already huge, and even
at the point that he was because I remember my
dad saying, like, even at the point that he was
going to junior college. He was everybody knew he was
going to be in the pros. He was already that good,
Like everybody in the Bay was talking about him at least.

(15:31):
But you know, like that was the thing is that,
you know, I think, you know, you look at that
and you go, well, he's still in college and what
a nice guy, like my dad thought. But then I
think that he already knew by then that he was
going to be famous, or at least he wanted to
be famous. So because I don't know, man, I've been
trying to figure out this whole OJ thing too, because
I don't know, if you remember before he the murders,

(15:56):
he was everybody's favorite.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
They could go with that big afrole.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, we OJ was like, I don't know, man, I
remember all the kids that I need loved him. You know,
my cousins loved him and stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
I saw him, man, he was in a movie with
a little blonde chick. It was called Goldie in the Boxer.
Really yeah, bro, And it was a little white chick
and she managed him with a boxer.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Goldie in the box Yeah. How see. That's the thing is,
I've never seen him act outside of Naked Gun two
and a half.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
I was with her Roots, the one that got away,
get the.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I know he was not and he Roots really was?
He o Jane Roots I got now Now I'm dying.
I'm itching to look this up.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Look, they ain't gonna catch.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Oh fuck, they really did. He wasn't Roots.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
They ain't gonna catch me.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Get the fuck out of here. Bro.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
When they saw him in the movie, they say, you
know what, star.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
That's crazy. Bro, that's I see. I've never seen him.
You've seen movies that he's.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
In Gold in the Boxer looking up.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
How did you like that movie though?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Which goes good?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
It's really good. He's a good actor.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
That he was like a slave and ship and I
don't know if he was a slave or or there.
It is. So that little girl manages him, bro Okay, yeah, bro.
So they saw him with his sweetheart right here in
his movie. Bro, that little girl manages him literally grows
up and murders her. But but look at him, my
hair going. He's fucking beat up right here. It's a

(17:31):
good movie, bro, it's a good movie. But you know,
mess up his eyes?

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, Bro, look at that makeup? Dude, A fight to
make you cheer?

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, man, Gold.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
It's good. It's a feel good movie.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's a totally feel good movie. I love it because
he's like at the end of all his eye popping out,
and she's like, I don't the ending, but right in
part two.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Okay, I think I can actually predict the ending of this.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
So he did that. And I remember seeing him. And
also he was in Airplane movie. I think the movie
Airplane Comedy.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
I remember being an airplane and I remember Naked Gun
two and a half.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Is he in all of them? He's in all of
them except a new when it came out.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, that one, he didn't. He didn't quite make it.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
What do you think about the Yeah, so oja it
was big bro. Also he wasnt he wasn't. He used
to hold sports. Also O J. Simpson will do the
history of Monday Night Football one day, and I got
a movie for you to watch starring John Turturo, Howard

(18:44):
coast l Okay, So Howard Coastel. He was like the
first guy to host Monday Night Football with two other
football player and another an analyst. So when Monday Night Football started,
it was actual nerds who knew those sports, who never
played those sports. Okay, so it was Howard Cotel, this

(19:07):
other guy named Dan and another dude and they still
host together Monday Night Football and then later on OJ
came in and it pushed him out.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Oh so dude, OJ pushed out.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
OJ came in as a young guy, and then OJ
was on Howard on Monday Night Football for a long time.
That really became his first gig. Is where people started
seeing his big smile.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Well for me, growing up, I didn't get to watch sports, baby,
I know this. This is the OJ that I know
growing up is a sports course.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Ladies and gentlemen. I've looked at the future and you
will not believe this. That's the way he.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Talked, right. I remember how word coach sell. Ladies and
gentlemen welcome. And it's like every reporter that's ever on TV.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
I like in that movie, Bro, that movie with Michael Kuzak,
the two Asian guys in a yellow suits. That's what
they're trying to do. We're get your engines ready.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
What movie is that.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
It's called One Crazy Summer. Yeah, they want to raise him.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
My god, I fucking totally remember that.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
And they're wearing their yellow coat. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
And then they had a yacht with the Ferrari Engine
so great, A great.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
When OJ was in a freeway being chased by the cops, Bro,
I was working in Dodger Stadium, brok and we couldn't
believe it, Bro, We did not couldn't believe that the
OJ Simpson was being chased in a freeway from murder.
Right now, they stopped the Dodger I don't know if
they didnt stop the Dodger game, but everybody would rushed

(20:49):
to the to the news because they were showing the
news right there on the TV outside of our TV,
of our stand. So people came from the stadium to
go watch the what was called not people care believe
that O J was being at this And I remember
I was doing making his choto laugh. Oh, Jame's at
the five free away, He's at the faroh five, he's

(21:13):
at the one on one free away. He's holding him back.
He might go the way the way home. But THEO
was dying. Bro. Should be a comedian. Homes like embarrasses
at that time, but yeah, they should be a comedian.

(21:34):
But I just took quie yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course I was talking him horrible.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
But Mike's.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, dude, I was working. I remember that day myself.
I was buying weed and I got one of the
biggest sacks that ever at the time. But that dude,
I remember too. For us, it was crazy because I
knew O J on TV like naked Gun, right, super
lovable guy. Yeah, naked gun. But I mean I watched
football with my He.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Was all over the place bro like Jelly row.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
You guys have no idea if you were not alive
during that time. OJ was everywhere. He was hurts, commercials,
he was on TV all the time like he was,
and he was everybody like everybody. I don't I didn't
necessarily watch football when I went with my dad because
I wasn't in this like that. I was a little kid.
But I remember OJ coming on, and then I remember

(22:25):
how much they would talk about OJ when he would
have come on, and how great he was, and so
I do believe I remember OJ being like a big
deal in the late nineties, like and before then. So
this is it to us too. It was fucking wild
watching it on TV. Honestly, it was like again, it
was also a moment in time, like the last time

(22:48):
when we're talking about the Riots that I was like,
I can't believe this is actually happening. I can't, Like,
this is never nothing like this has ever happened before.
We live in an age now where like history happens
every read ten seconds. But at that time, Bro, nothing
like that had ever happened. Nothing like that had ever.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Happened, I know, Man, Like it was weird, like they
were just chasing them as low. Huh.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Well that was the thing too, man, was like, I
think the problem was is that this came right after
the riots and and this came after LA had promised
ninety four and this is after LA had promised to
be better to its people and to be more judicious.
And here you have a guy who murdered two people

(23:36):
at the time, allegedly at the time, and the cops
have a warrant for him and they go after him. Now,
if that was and everybody says this, if that was
anybody else, they had already shot this motherfucker or had
him out of the car and pulled onto the ground
and like cuffed up they gave this bro. What's crazy
to me, though, is that he held a gun to
his head the entire time, and they have like they're
talking like they're in this interview that I want. And

(24:00):
they're talking about how he has a gun to his head,
and the negotiators like, just just throw the gun out
the window, and he goes, let me just get home,
and he goes, well, just throw the gun out of
the window. And this they let this motherfucker walk into
the house with a fucking gun. Bro, what world are
we living in? We're in LA. You're a fugitive for murder,
wanted for suspected murderer. And of course it was on

(24:23):
pond Stars and you fucking you dude. The cops are like, wall,
wait till you get home and you get to walk
into the house with a gun to you?

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (24:33):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
That's when I was like, oh, this is how this
gets interesting. This is how this gets interesting.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Broad It's fucking funny. Yeah, sorry, car Chase once and
I think they were look at that, bro.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, bro, look at that. They would have already pitted him.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I see if me and Bbo is a cat driving, Bro,
the other thing is.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Toots is the cat?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah? Do you ever? Cat says the cat driving the Yes?

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Bro? Holy fuck? I remember this, dude.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
That's a lot of police officers are and they could
just barricade him and just held him in a free way.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Bro. How many times have you seen him on TV? Bro? Now,
I'm like living in l a dude T is carrying
OJ in the back with the gun.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
And go over the cliff. Hey, what a hold? Imagine
dog you're your chilling, my hero. You're at home right? Okay,
you're chilling. I call you up, and I call you up,
bro like I I hardly ever call you ass and

(25:44):
we hang out. Where were hung out? Bros? You and
I has to a bunch of bitch in the Hawaii
back in the day. Okay, but that's all we do, bro,
Damage like that, damage like that, like hoorri and party hard.
But that's the extent of our friendship. We're like, you

(26:08):
come over from barbecue, but you never really stick around
that much because you're my hardcore party friend. That's it, right.
You know, I'll call you or whatever, call your ass up.
Brought out the blue man. You need to come get me,
dog man. Police. My wife is missing. I mean somebody

(26:34):
murdered her.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Already.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
They found him dead with that waiter. Man, the waiter,
I don't like they found him dead with my lady. No,
g you know that really your lady. Well you know
how it is. Man. Anyways, Man, they might charge your
boy for murder. I need you to co get me man,

(27:02):
and tried me around. I lay with a gun in
my head.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
That I was just being proposed over the phone, Like
I don't know what proposed, but I know.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
But still it's like, but you know, like if you're
if you're old just homeboy and then you're that guy,
which Ac was.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
They grew up together like his like Patrol Hill forever man. Yeah,
they've been homie since day one. It's him. The two
of them and one other dude were like best friends
all the way through, like Jue like junior.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
High, high school took care of that.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Always bro always and that's the thing, dude, He's like,
I don't know, man, Like I have a friend who
I'd known since I was like thirteen years old and
we've been best friends since. Shout out to Craig Robinson.
But that would be dope. But yeah, I don't know
what I would do if he called me, And it
was like, actually, no, I know what I would do

(28:00):
and I'm not gonna talk about it.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
But okay, how about it, Like you're like a young comic.
You're not young comed no more. But like, but you
already got time in like you're not you're a confident
guy on comic. Okay, yeah, yeah, you know, a young comedy,
a young comic, you know, it's just a different man.
And I noticed that yesterday at the comedy store when
I was performing that the two comics they put up,

(28:24):
you know first, because they put up the two young
young comics, and they put two young comments at the end,
the two young comics. It was pretty packed. But they
go up to the nervous about their jokes. You know,
you could tell her in her head, they're already I
have a five with her head in her head already.
But whether these jokes are gonna work, they're gonna land.

(28:45):
Okay yeah, But then Harley Women goes up and just
go it gets a big laugh, and they lose it,
lose it because he started with confident, right, But you
could just tell that he went up there bro like
you don't. But there's the way his cadence, the way
he talks, I know, the way he walks that that

(29:06):
he know that even if it's not funny, he going
to react to it like funny. Because now he's got
to the point where I'm making to the conversation well
with a bunch of jokes.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I actually noticed that when I moved to LA as well,
you know, because there's comics like me, who are you know,
and even I'm not they're not new. I'm not a
new comic, but I'm definitely not at that level yet.
But you can see the difference between guys like me
and guys like Harlan or you or Bobby who don't
even think about if they're going to be funny or not.

(29:39):
They're more or less like how funny are they going
to be when they get on stage? And I think
that's the difference between pros and not pros.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
So so young comment at that right hard and then
just a big comment at hardy willing but someone young,
you know, but are blown up? Okay, I'm pretty sure,
and that he would at that level, bro, like that
comment would have been taking care of you and goes man,

(30:08):
I'm pay to fix your card, dog, always have a
gas and all this. But anyone day he calls you
up with me, I killed somebody though that's a comic,
I'll be like this, oh Shore, my career is over right,

(30:32):
because that's how nepotism.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
That goes my job? Hey, bro, can you recommend me
before you go to prison? You think you could recommend
me to Bobby Lee or someone else? Do That's a fact,
that's a comic. That's what I'd be doing, bro, Like,
I was.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Just thinking right now, yeah, I'll drive you, but nah.
The first thing my head was, oh, man, I will
throw a young another a younger comment in the bus
on that one. Yeah, hey bro, a big dog calls
you needs you to pick him up.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
All right, I'll get someone to help you. Bro. Hey bro,
that is something you.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I know you're throwing foods at all the food.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I've definitely done something like this, yes, yeah, dude. There's
times where I'm like I don't want to work for
this and I'm like, hey man, you want to work
for this guy? He'll pay you, and they're like fuck yeah, thanks,
butch and it's like life ruined.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
But Ac was down though.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Ac was a down ass homie.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
So that's why Ojan couldn't couldn't go wrong, couldn't never
lose that food no matter what. Be Ac was at
the point where OJI were, yeah, man, I've been thinking
about fucking nick code too all about to put my

(32:07):
knife up. But you ac you. You keep me on
my toe. That's why I keep you around, Bro.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
But their homeies hobies, you know what I mean. That's
the thing is that it wasn't like a relationship where
it's like a new comic and uh.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
This is established.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
This is your fucking homeboy that you fucking put Bro.
They played double team chicks at USC together. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
A C.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Was appropriate. He just didn't have as an illustrious career
as OJ. And that's actually not saying it's because that's
the thing is A C. Collings had a great football career.
I remember, and not because I know it. I don't
know sports, but I remember my dad talking about how
much he liked A. C. Collings during like football games,

(32:57):
Yeah San Francisco, California, but to USC, Buffalo Bill's, Houston Oilers, Rams, Seahawks. Yeah,
he had like he played on a lot of different teams,
and he wasn't like super well known, I don't think,
but I think he was like known enough and it
probably was because of J.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Did you ever hear the story, Bro that one time
when OJ was running through the ball, he was playing
the Raiders and he was running with a ball and
out David with a head coach at the time of
the Raiders and he was passing by, fucking our David
took leg broad tripped that motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
That's real.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
No way, look at a brow David trips.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
No way. God, I love this stuff, bro, It's so good.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
He put a leg and trip them.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
I think I vaguely remember hearing this like it was
a controversy about it, like it was really played over
and over again, right, I think I might have, Like
I watched football for okay, Allen's Simpson Davis.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I guess, Hey, when they went on Mark Furman's book
Domine Domin Domin Dominic does book that they mentioned a
lot of evidence that was taking out of the case.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Wait, what was the question again?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
On another city, not my own dominic done that he
mentioned evidence that were that were scratched out of the
case that they found.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
I can't remember. I'm trying to think because I.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Know that that you read a story about somebody taking
that gym bag to the airport.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yes, yeah, that's right, and that didn't make it as
evidence in what was that story again?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Man?

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I'm glad that's.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Mark Furman did find blood on another site.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
What was that? Okay, Yes, there was a thing where
OJ dropped because they were I thought that they were
trying to say that OJ didn't actually go to Chicago,
that he just sent his bags to Chicago.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Is that what they were saying. They were saying that that.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Was the inference then that they were okay, because that's
what I thought. There are parts of the book where
I was like, because that's it was. It was alluding
to it. He didn't say that that happened, but yeah,
there was like, uh there, it seemed like he was
saying that because because the night of the murders, OJ says.
OJ's alibi is that he was like, I'm already I

(35:30):
was already going to the airport and taking off to
Chicago for a golf tournament the next day. And that's
where Kato Kaylen comes in because Kato was his Like
Cato was basically the kid, the guy, the new comic,
and he would do anything for OJ. And so he
takes OJ to Burger King, they get some burger King,
and then he got k Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Man, he did everything. Man. He lived next door.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, he lived in his backyard.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
There's a book called a book written about Simpson.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Okay, who's Simpson.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
He's from Simpson and Bruckheimer. Okay, they did the movie
Beverly Hills cop Oh yeah, okay, sim Simmons and Bruckheimer. Okay.
In that book, Don Simpson, the guy who wrote the book,
Charles Fleming his Don Simpson's drug dealer was kato' Kalin's

(36:25):
drug dealer. And there's a book. There's a little part
of the book because that guy was thrown in as
a witness, but he was not a qualifying witness because
that guy and Don Simpson's book said that he gave
Matthem phetamines to fucking kato' Kalin at a Burger King

(36:48):
parking lot or jacking about parking lot and o j
was in the back sweating like a motherfucker. Yes, And
that was scratched out of the case. I believe that,
but you can look it up. Look it up. Charles
Flemings book talked about oj about meeting Oja.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Oh my god, dude, there's so much to this.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, and so that dude broke anyway, that's another story.
But yeah, So that drug dealer said that he used
to serve Cato and then like he meant, they met
him the night of the murder, So I don't know.
Maybe they took the meth first and then went to
do the murder.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yes. And when you were asking about like all the
people like Princess die that were pulling on on Dawn,
that was one of the other things was that all
these people that would approach the author of this book.
So this book is so just to give you guys
an idea of who this guy is. Was Dominic Don

(37:42):
Dominic or what was it called Dominic Dominic Dunn was
like the pre eminent journalists who covered l a like
court stuff, and so at the beginning of this case,
Judge Ito gave him his own seat in the courtroom
like he was. So this guy was such a big
deal in writing and covering these cases that at the

(38:04):
beginning of this case, which is the case of the century,
he gives him his own seat. So that's how popular
he is. And all these people are coming to him,
not just superstars, but like OJ's brother's homie came up
to him and was like, hey, man, if you give
me this much money, I can give you some information
about OJ's drug use and how him and his brother

(38:26):
got into drugs together and he actually this guy. That's
why I love this author, because he goes to OJ's
mom and family and is like, hey, I didn't accept
this because we don't pay for stories. But this guy's
going around trying to sell his story about OJ's drug use.
And that was the thing, is that there is a

(38:47):
lot that didn't make it in the case because I
didn't even know about OJ's drug use at all, you know,
in hearing all of this, but obviously that's what and
they kept that out of the case too.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Right. You know OJ's big, right, Ohjia is a big,
big deal, big face, right, and like big eagle, big ego,
like big Trump eagle, huge bro Okay, now, look, you're
you're divorced right from your lady, Yeah, and you have
two beautiful kids already. Right, you have to go do

(39:16):
an interview or whatever bullshit you had to do, but
you're late for the recital. Right these where they say
that on that book, right, they're the one you're dominic
Dunn where OJ decided that it was it was too
much to something's gonna happen, you know. So the recital, okay,
the recital all of OJ's wife, you know, what's her name?

(39:40):
Nicole Brown, Nicole Brown Simpson. They're all sitting in Nicole
Brown sitting there, you know, and he sitting She's sitting
in there with a nice little short dress. Her father's there,
all the kids are there. They're gonna want the recital.
OJI walked all the way over there. They didn't say that,
motherfucker seed.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah fuck that.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
But that was before the murder. I wouldn't. I mean
before the murder, right, So Nicole, before anything, right here
we had they have problems, right, and she must have
been telling the parasol. They didn't save him a seat,
so to og that must have been like the biggest
disrespect ever. That was. That was the day of the
day of the murder. That was during the day. It

(40:21):
didn't happen before the murder. Oh, this is the day.
So imagine, bro, you're o J. You're a big head.
You're o J.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I didn't even be mad.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Now you gotta do the walk of shame back.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, I'd be mad.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Now you gonna walk to the shame back and stay
in the back.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Right right, And I'd be mad.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Okay, But you're sitting there going there in the back
of the bus like this rolls of parks over here.
It's whatever's going on all these white people? You feel
black for the first time?

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Right, Well, that was the thing, and I think that O.
J was going through was that he didn't want his
blackness and he tried his very best to be white.
But at the end of the day, you cannot get
rid of your blackness like you can't get rid of
like your skin color. And I think you're absolutely right
about it. I think you're so fucking on point about this.

(41:13):
Right a neighborhood spot Brown Simpson's white akita with bloody pause. Oh,
I forgot about it.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Remember, don't forget about Rosa Lopez maid.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Remember rememberybody, remember everybody. So when people would leave the room,
I'm out of here, like Rosa Lopez.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
That's right. And they talked about that. But you know
what's funny is I forgot that the dog's name was Kato.
Their assistant was Cato, and then the day the dog
that Cato had to take care of was Kato. Simpson

(41:51):
and Wrong Goldman June twelfth, the cole Brown Simpson and
Wrong after attending daughter's dance recital alongside her ex husband.
Oh okay, so this makes sense in the way that
they didn't let him in.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Because they didn't save them a seat, right, But.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
I mean they didn't let him, they didn't let him
in the group. What I meant what to say, was
that they didn't save him a seat because by now,
you know, this is the other thing. And I don't
know if anybody's gone through this before, but as a man, I.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Have like, like, yeah, they gonna say on.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
A seat, right, okay. And that was when because they
had broken up a bunch of times over again, But
that was when that breakup because this is what they say,
this is the reason why he killed her is because
that's when she decided it's over for good. I'm never
coming back to you. I'm over you, and I don't
want to be with you anymore. And so I think

(42:42):
the family was doing their best to support that, you know.
But I've been there as a man where someone who
broke up with me was like, I don't ever we're done.
Like I had an ex girlfriend. We broke up over
and over, but then we get back together, and I
remember when she was like, no, no, we're done, and
I remember that help was feeling. I cried and probably
broke something against the wall in my room or something.

(43:03):
I didn't go and murder anybody. But that's a helpless feeling.
I'm not giving him an excuse at all. I'm just
saying it's a helpless feeling when someone's finally like, I'm
done with you, and I think at that point that was.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
But you didn't like beat her up a bunch of
times to get to that point.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
No, no, And that's what I'm saying, though, is like
for him, who's a rage monster? When you roll up
and that's the symbol right there, that's the sign that
you're done, is that you roll up and you try
to sit with the family to watch your kids recital
and they go sorry. And then on top of it.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
So when you're feeling that bad, who do you call
the lowest person in the world, Cato Klin doggy, I
was about to walk your dog.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Let's go give a big back, homie and talk about
it over a strawberry belt shake.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
So yeah, man, So now this is a This is
how O. J. Simpson described that recital scene on his book.
If I did it right, I can't believe she would
wear that dress.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
I'll disrespect Oh, he was upset about her choice and
clothing everything.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
But but this what he can't he can't. He can't
say they didn't keep saving me in a seat, so
they're screwing around. Bro focused on the dress, on the dress,
and but what I would like He pains for the
drug addicts on herself. He paints her as a girl
that went out to party. But like the way Oji

(44:40):
described there, Bro, it could tell like he might he knows.
They know the drug culture, right, like you know the
drug culture, So it could be a It sounds like
a lie to me. If you know the drug culture,
you will know what to cost somebody who's doing drugs.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Right, and you know how to describe what they were doing.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Maybe he's from the seventies. Maybe he don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
I don't know, though, Bro, because you know drugs.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
No matter what she was saying, she's over there, she's
over there with her druggies druggy friends. That means you
don't know ship.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
It means you don't know ship, Bro.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
It means there's a lot of speculation that he would
make that that nicole a party too.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
If you did drugs twenty years ago and you stopped
doing them twenty years ago, and even loser still know
how to talk about drugs, you would still know.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
How to say, buchers over there with his druggy friends, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Getting into trouble. They're all overdosing together. Yeah, like ship
like that you losers. Yeah, you say the fucking dude
you're over there with you lose your friends doing all
kinds of fucking stupid drugs. You've done, bitch, That's how
I would say.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
But she said drugs. Oh, I'm a brother. You gotta
show you this. When they got to the murders, when
he got to the point where Ojay is there with
Nicole and he's having an argument with with Goldman, he says,

(46:06):
he makes up a guy that was there. Bro, Oh
Kenneth was there.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Oh this is my homie. Either put that in my pocket,
not mean that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Well, the night in question here it is, bro, the
fight of my life. The night in question, I'll find it.
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Is that Cuba and Johnny Cochran.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
That's a horrible jet is nothing.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
I'm sorry, I love Cuba, You're great, Bro, But my
ring finger.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
But it must have been a fantom cut the key
in the mailbox, but run out before the gate closes. Okay, okay,
he said, I took the key out of the ignition and.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Removed anyways, he's he's that he was there at the
ohhit puts himself at the murder scene bro in his
book Okay with his friend Charlie and have in an
argument and then he went blank and hot blood in
my hand, and Charlie went.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Crazy, Oh, this is the guy that did it with him. Supposedly,
this is the guy that he's like, Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Now I know you're crazy.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
WHOA Because that's the thing is at the end of
the documentary that guy goes, he goes yeah. If I
were to write the book, though, I would say that
there was someone who did it with me, which mean.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Everyone rocking him who was closer. But his property ran
parallel to the mine inside. But that run on the
risk of being spotted by the limo driver. I was
going to have to steal onto my property through the
once place, and I knew just how to do it.
I looked down at my lap at a bloody bundle.
Then over a Charlie, You're gonna have to help me
out here, man, I said. Charlie turned to look at me.

(47:53):
His mouth was hanging open a bit, and he was breathing.
Kind of funny.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Oh my god, boo.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Even more bro because what I'm thinking about when I'm
hearing all this is the pictures of.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
A slumped against the bars of the fence.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Wait, yes, go back, please, I'm reading this book on
as soon as I get home.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Jesus.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
I looked down and saw her on the ground in
front of me, curled up in a fetal position at
the base of the stairs, not moving. It was only
a few feet away, slumped against the bars of the fence.
He was moving either. Both he and Nicole were lying
in giant pools of blood.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
You're a liar ball.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
And I ducked, and.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
She lost her balance and fell against the stew She
fell hard on the right side. I could hear the
back of her head hitting the ground, and she lay
there for a moment, not moving. Jesus christ O, Jay,
let's get the fuck out of here, Charlie said, his
voice cracking dover. Goldman karate stands, take me with.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Your karate shit.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
He started circling me, bobbing and weaving. Hadn't been so
fucking angry, I would have laughed in his face. Jay,
come on. Gaining consciousness, she stirred on the ground and
opened her eyes and looked at me. Didn't seem like
anything was crazy.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
So I supposedly Charlie did everything.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Bro, I'm blown away right now. Hold on, because here's
the thing, dude. I don't know if you've seen the pictures.
I mean they showed on the thirty for thirty really
quick because I had to rewind and pause and stare
at the picture because I didn't know what I was
looking at for a hot minute. But it shows her throat,
how she how he sliced her throat, which, by the way,

(49:42):
one of the one of the suspicions is that OJ
fucking was doing a pilot or shooting a right, Yes,
he was shooting AI. He was shooting, not a pilot.
He was shooting a TV show before this happened, and
it was about a navy c or something like. It
was called Frogman, and he he asked the So there

(50:05):
on the movies, they always have a guy who knows
about combat, who knows about whatever. If it's a cop show,
they have a cop that that kind of consults everyone.
Apparently OJ went to this guy and according to this
guy's testimony or I don't know if it was his
actual testimony. But what he reported was that Oj asked
him to show him how to slice someone's throat. Now,
when you go look at fucking Nichole's picture he taught him. Well,

(50:32):
I've never bro it was crazy. I'm not normally pushed
back by gory dude. She when they say her head
was hanging by skin, Bro, it's not a joke. It
was like, it took me a minute to recognize that
her skin was stretched over her face and down her body,
and then you can see her trachea opened like he

(50:53):
did a thorough job. And the claim is with Ron
is that he fucked up Ron and killed Ron before
he sliced his throat. But he had died and he
slices his throat because you could tell he just stabs
Ron in the throat, and then you think he was first.
I think that he what he said in that book
is true because there is an impact point in the

(51:16):
in the Emmy's report, medical examiner's report that says that
she fell and hit her head and that might have
been what knocked her out. Can you go back and
show me that again?

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Oh the Older Symptons DVD sign Bro for sale.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
My god, shit is still fucking on fire for this guy. Bro.
It's crazy. But yeah, the emmy said that he probably
died when he stabbed him in the side and then
he sliced his throat and then also, so I think
what happened is he went in there fuck three and
twenty five bucks dude for the television Frogman show. Just
oh my god, Yes, yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

(51:53):
Look at there's the knife that killed so anyway, uh,
I think what happened is that he confronted her, he
knocked her out, and then he went over and Ron
tried to fight him off, and then he fucked up
Ron and killed Ron. Then he went back over and
sliced her throat to make sure she was dead. Then

(52:14):
he went back over and sliced Ron's throat to make
which is why there's footprints everywhere, because he kept going
back and forth. And just from the like exam examiner's
report alone, you can tell that he went back and
forth a couple of times to at least make sure
that they were dead. I don't know what he was doing,
but in the report he went back and forth a
bunch of time.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I want to have said this bro for my excuse for
the bloody hands. I would have said, I'm sorry, man, oj,
how'd you get your hands cut? I was trying. I
was trying to open a pack of scissors.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
That's no joke, bro, You to open a bro.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
A a screwdriver, yeah, baggage. Yeah, you gotta rip your finger.
You gotta rip your fingers to get the scissors.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
You get the scissors. I've had those three packs. That's
all right here, Yes, dude, that's why it's such a
good joke right now, because you don't have scissors anyway.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Yeah, you get it. But man, but it's crazy, bro,
because like if you read if you read it that
that dom Sinton book, you read Dominic Dunn, you read
Ogi's book, you read the the one by Fay and
you put them all together. Bro, it's like, oh man,

(53:39):
it's hard to believe this guy.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
You read all those books too, right, So you were
because that was the thing was you were into this
way before we Yeah, you know, because this is to me,
what's hard, bro, is that we got to work on
the next subject and I want to finish. I want
to read if I did it, I want to read
Fay Resnor's book.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
You can read it, bro, just do a talk about
the You can talk about the book, but man, the
rest one Brofe's more like her best friend telling the story, right.
And she wasn't a reliable witness either because of her
drug use. She's she will talk.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
About she's also her best friend.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
She'll talk about how many times the cops showed up
to O. J. Simpson's house for beating up Nicole, and
OJ would just give him a sign football and they'll leave, yes, exaggerated,
but he would just say, hey, man, are you doing.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
No that's kind of what he did do though, bro.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
And then like because one of the cops was in
the witness that yeah, and they were asking about him
beating up the thing and he goes like this, come on, og,
like this right that you know you you you used
to be your your wife. But they were like saying
that you But like he said that off the record
in the courtroom, right because that guy he was like

(54:52):
OJ's friend.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Bro, that's the black guy with the with the freckles.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah, he said, he said, come ONJ.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah, yeah, that guy had a really hard time because
he was OJ's best friend.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Did you know that?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Well?

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Talk about it in that book is an actual fact
that as soon as OJ was on trial, it became
like a separation of Hollywood of who's pro OJ, who's not?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Right? Yeah, that's I wonder how show business was and
it's and it's weird to say this, but given the
impact of this case, I wonder how show business survived that,
not not that it didn't wouldn't survive, but how it
made it through all that. Because you have a lot
of rich, famous people that are in Hollywood. Yeah, that
guy the right is OJ's best cop friend. Yeah, and

(55:38):
they I think they went to school together and then
he became a cop, OJ became a pro. And then
because they I think they played football together, and he
came through and was like, Yo, I'm a cop now
and I work in your neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
But you know, it's crazy, is that? Imagine? Man, you're
poor Nicole and you're gonna go talk to your dad
or your mom about this fool being your ass.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Well, this is the other.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
And then like, but OJ already poked everybody her family
up with positions where they could make money, and they
all got jobs lots of money, and then you know, like,
how are you gonna talk about the fat cow here?

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Like that right, right, right, yeah, are you talking about Yeah.
That's the thing is that Nicole's dad, I don't know.
It seems to be like a bad guy because she
goes to her whole family and is like, hey, he's
beating me. I need to leave this relationship. And the
dad's like, well, you need to work it out. You

(56:32):
need to go back there and work it out. Then
I don't know what to tell you. We all got
jobs with this guy, so go and she so there
was a time where she wanted to leave, but nobody
would let her out. The crazy thing is is that
she had said over and over to her friends and people,
he's gonna kill me, and then he's gonna and then
he's not only did she predict her getting murdered, she
predicted him getting away with it. That's how the charismatic

(56:56):
this guy was. That's how fucking good he was that
even his own wife knew that she was gonna get
murdered by him and that he was gonna fucking get like,
make it, make it out.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Those when now, during a trial, they were trying to
find so many, so much bad stuff around Nicole for
the for the defense, right that they have this crazy story,
and I read about it that somebody in Nicole's family,
third or fourth cousin, they were a witness to a mobster.

(57:28):
They were a witness that puts some Mothia guy out.
Oh really, they thought it was retaliation.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Bro, anything, get the fuck out of here, Bro, get
the fuck.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
That's the thing is, like anything right.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
This is a weird case, bro, because I do feel
for black people in America at this point and then
wanting some justice for their own But at the same time, Bro,
that's the thing is that you hear shit like that.
The defense was crazy. The defense is like I now
wonder if all this smearing stuff that we're watching now
where someone brings up something about Trump or Donal drumpings

(58:01):
up about someone else, all this smear campaigning that we're watching.
I know it's been happening for years, but it's at
a fever pitch now, And I wonder if those tactics
were learned from watching the oj trial.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Bro, let me tell you OJ Trout tell everybody how
to be a lawyer. Because all the other all the
other lawyers knew that they gonna look good, broke, They're
gonna be on TV because they've been in they don't.
They don't press release. Marshall Clark never done that looking
like a fuck you WBA coaching.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Oh please show Marshall Clark in nineteen ninety four. Bro, there, yes, dude.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
That talking up that one. That one was trying to
make her look good. Bro, she looked like a coach
when you first popped up.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Now she looks like a Karen, but she totally looked
like a coach.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Holy fuck, Hey, not only this right, I don't think
Marsha Clark had ever try out a trial like that before,
because my father has been he went to prison for
du ys and and then like he's watching the case.
It's now because that because she put through my dad.

(59:16):
My dad said that she sent that fool to Mita
Lomas for too many du Why's so she was doing
like Jastrick Ship.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Right, yeah before they brought her in.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
All right, So they brought her in, all right, Judge Ito,
his wife's the l a p D. How can you
even mention that from the get go and shes only
that she's a cop. They used to fuck people up
with Mark Mark Furman r.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Right, but they didn't move. The thing is is that
they you know, the defense and again I think this
was a smart move.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
By the day he went to Marshall High School. By
the way, Bro, he.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Looks like one of those kids, those Korean kids that
are pretending to be the begis.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
You know, like some some comic that's gonna tell you
can't go fuck bro because this is the Oh my god,
but your sign says we cater to everybody. Yeah, so
we cater, but we don't pander.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I think they didn't remove Edo because they knew, Like
because like I always I wondered why the defense who
went after everything, who played the race card, who did
every tactic, lowdown, dirty tactic they could even according to Shapiro,
I wonder if they left Itto in there because he
was kind of a uh he was like wanting to
be a celebrity himself. He was a fucking starfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Him had had the singing remember right, Yeah, the dancing itos.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
The dancing ETOs. But there's a part in Dominic Dunn's
book where he goes he's given a choice to cover
to keep covering the OJ trial or go interview Princess Diana,
who she's asked him for a second time to come
back and be in it by him personally, and you know,

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there is a guy who had nothing when he first
started out. So he's like, these are amazing possibilities for me.
And so he's like, but I don't know what to
do because I don't want to leave the case. And
then someone recommends he goes and talks to Judge Edo,
and they're like, besides, he loves that shit anyway, and
this kind of gives you an idea of what kind
of judging Itto was. So Dominic Dunn goes to him
and says, hey, I need to I want to keep

(01:01:24):
my seat in your courtroom, but I need to go
talk to I need to go do this interview with
Princess die And Edo goes, absolutely, go do that, but
let her know I said hi, and which is what
was predicted for him by him to do. And then
even to Princess Diana asked about Judge Edo and he
goes he said to say hi, and she goes, of
course he did, And so they knew that Edo was

(01:01:46):
this guy that just wanted to be a star as well.
So I always wondered why the defense didn't go after
his association with the police department.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Look up Mark Furman gets into a Pico Aliso housing projects.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Oh no shit, that's the other thing is okay, dude.
Here's the thing, bro is, like you read Mark from
his book, you know this case way more than I do.
I really it's weird, bro, because I don't normally feel
bad for police officers. I'm not a guy who goes
out like I don't. I'm not a I'm not necessarily
a cop hater. But I've been fucked with by enough
cops that I'm not necessarily going to defend one. And

(01:02:24):
I kind of felt like he was taken out of context.
Obviously he was racist and said racist things, you know,
but I do feel like he was also taken out
of context in a way that I felt bad is
that he goes I finally reached a point in my
life where my career was at where I wanted it
to be. I had a wife, I had friends, I
had a life that I was living, and I was

(01:02:45):
happy for the first time, you know. And Mark Furman
talks about his background, how he was never accepted because
he kind of grew up really tough and didn't have
the right upbringing, and here he is finally happy, and
then this case just fucks his whole life up, you know.
And again I'm not taking away these company fucking did
dirty things to people. You know, I just in that moment,

(01:03:05):
had some sort of sympathy for him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
There was a guy named Mark Mike Morales. Look at
Mike Morales. This food was Trudeau. They were looking for
bad stuff to talk about Mark Furman. So they're looking
for all his brutalities. But they went through all his
police records they found on him. They got it. They
went to where I used to live, right, Alisa Picicle Gardens,

(01:03:32):
Piko also and where it is bro there Mike Morales,
along with his brother Albert Morales. Mike Morales were allegedly
victim of police brutality involving Mark Furman and officers in
nineteen seventy eight. Okay, bro, this is what happened. Bro,
That happened where I live. Okay, Mark Furman chased one

(01:03:55):
of those foods in the house and the whole family
jumped that fool bro Fermit, yeah, and he started going
he started going out with both of them. Bro. It
was kind of like and like fucking that that old
that fucking that movie with Denzel Washington and Training Day,
Training Day, where they just go one on one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Where they go one on one and the house.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Oh you're talking about training day, Uh no, that's in
and the watch and the watch.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Fucking Jake Chillenhall goes at it with the with that dude.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Yeah, so they shooting and aftermath after two officers shot
in the housing project and the hollow Bag division.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
So they're fucking them up and the cops are shooting
at the family members.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yeah bro, that that wow. Bro, they were going at
it with with those guys from Flats bro all the
time from yeah Quarter Flats. So those guys, Bro, that's
funny because they go they want to go interview them. Bro,
was that been was tventy nine? Seventy eight? Fucking now
they're going to interview with these guys fourteen years later, right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Oh so there also the company, the police. The news
didn't care about this police brutality when they happened.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
And then now they care about it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
But now that you're trying to defend the murderer, let's
bring it up again right now. But that five, bro,
was crazy because they that food, that food trying to
run home just like oh they trying to drive home,
drive home. But they didn't that food ran in there. Bro,
they didn't close they didn't close the door on time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Bro, Mark foot it right, Yeah, wrong move bro.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Yeah. Man. So yeah, that was a mean ass fire
Bro fucked him up. Bro. I swear all my life.
I thought I made up that story, but that really happened.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
That really happened.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
You were old enough to remember if you saw it
in a little kgo. That's the thing, dude, is it's
crazy because like Mark Furman is a cop. He's not
this famous guy who worked hard at being famous. He's
just a cop. And there's like paths like like you
probably saw him as a cop drive by.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
And my dad knew Marcia Clark because of d Uy he.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Had and he got a duy from Marsha Club.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
My dad d uy got out d u y And
then when he finally faced Marshall Clark, who has worked
for the county, she said that to prison Bro for it.
He wasn't meet up. He was like locked up for
like thirty five days.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
No way really from Marcia. You know. That's the thing
is in the book too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Like my dad was basing his his his non murder
trial was a d u y to an oj T
was thinking that Marcia Clark's gonna screw him.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
She tried, she tried. What was your dad happy when
oj was was acquitted Like everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Else, I don't remember, man, I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
I know my mom was, I'll be honest with you,
my mom, who definitely is harbinger of justice for the people.
I think if she wants to help kids all the time.
I remember her being yes, yes he did it, but yes,
I was like wow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I think when Oja got off, I think if you
were not got off, I don't think nobody would have
ride it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
No, I don't think they would have been a ride either.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
But they would have been ready.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Though. I think that there would have been like someone
would have tried a riot. There would have been an attempt.
But I think the city was I think because the time,
that's what they were worried about, and like there's a
moment where you see all the horses lined up ready
to fucking pounce if the riders come in, and then
when they say the verdict, all the horses get back
because of the abrupt noise. But I think, I think

(01:07:44):
that they don't understand people of La or of any
hardcore city is that if you riot like the way
they did on A ninety two, you're gonna take a
few years off. There's gonna be a few there's gonna
be some time. No one wants to get back into
that shit. So I don't think there would have been.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
A riot win another riot bro to get cap to relax.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
You already had a riot and it didn't fucking go well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
But when when when Oja was found not guilty, I
was acquitted right. I was working at on Wiltshire and
Highland Avenue and and Johnny Cochran's office. I was working. Yeah,
I was working for Whacking Hut, whacking Hut Security. You

(01:08:29):
were you were.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
I was a whacking Hut security.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
A whack huh whack you know, whacking Hut. They had
all they had a lot of contracts at airports. Yeah,
they were TSA before ts A they used to be.
So they fucked up and lit those terrors and with
those blades. I don't know if they were at the
time in Houston, they were really They're the biggest office

(01:08:51):
was in Houston, Waking Hut.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
So when I was with Whacking Hut, we I was.
I started with a PS security.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
You were a hat.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Yeah, I did wear a fucking hat like a bus
bobby hat. And then we went over to Wackenhead. Wacken
Hat took our company over and it was it was worse.
It got way worse. It was like a shitty job.
That's fucking crazy. Bro. You were in the same building
as Johnny Cochran.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Yeah, so so they had a twenty four hours watch
on his office and the building. Bro, because so I
was into my building, bro as a as a as
a dispatcher, bro Knehre, all the security guards were at
all time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
So was the guard were your guards guarding the building
or was the company in that building.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Our company who were in the building. So then Donny
Concker said, well we got whacking hut here. It's because
I'm armed guards, right, So they thought it was a
low hats with their.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Guys. I guess that was just for TV.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
It was just for TV, I Guessyeah, not even a
bean pioneerby.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
There's so much to this case.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
So we were OJ did after he got to quit it,
he put together a big lavish not guilty party that
nobody attended. Yeah, that vegas. I thought that was that
part of the book, and that part of the thirty
for thirty and that part was like the most darkest
shit ever, bro, Like, how are you gonna throw I'm

(01:10:12):
not guilty party for the murder of your wife?

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
That's the thing is the most.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
That's the darkest. Yes, I heard of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Bro, that you have like you don't go home.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Your kids are alive though.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Right, the kids are alive and their mom's gone, Nicole.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
This is live a month with a live.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Dude and he was locked up for over a year and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
He's gonna throw a vic party with bitches, right bro?

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Right? Well, that's the thing is that he I think
at this point even he knew, everybody knew that he
did it. There's a mention that so at some point
because he's doing like that pimp video with the girls
with the titties and he's doing all kinds of ridiculous
ship and someone's at that party. No, but this is
after the party. This is after he's been acquitted and
like he's going he's wilding out. He's doing all kinds

(01:10:57):
of drugs and someone's like, bro, you need a chill, bro,
because people are watching this and he's like ninety percent
of the world thinks of a murder who gives a
fuck if I do this ship now? And he just
went fucking The best part of this whole thing actually
is to be honest with you the most because ray
Our our sound guy over there, asked me, what was
my favorite part of the documentary, But my favorite part

(01:11:19):
overall of reading everything was the after the post trial
because OJ just went fucking completely nuts after that and
was like partying and fucking shit up. Dude, and he
had to like leave Rockingham and they tore rocking Ham down. Dude,
crazy dude.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
When that when that, when that came with happening? I
used to go, I used to spoke. I used to
like go with I don't know, a Rodrigo or Iben, somebody, bro.
We have to get real high and and do the
OJ run. What is the OJ run that we'll start
blazing from Rockingham and then going to the Cole Brown

(01:12:03):
Simpson's on Boutboa, Bundy on Bundy and Bundy. Yeah, and
then and then time it Brough and go back impossible. Really, Yeah.
The triples is even with if you do it now,
like it's so it's a long it's longer in the
middle of the night. You could do it, bro, but

(01:12:26):
that's it. Yeah, in the middle of the night is temple, Like,
don't nobody around.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Right, right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Also if if he was speeding even faster and you
trying to say that he was not there, right or.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Yeah, he tried to see it. I don't think people
understand though, Like I know that people know that Los
Angeles has traffic, but you have no clue how fucking
traffic this place.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Is also from Rockingham to Bundy not allowed traffic as
offt service streets.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Oh okay, all right, I didn't know how close they
were to each other.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
You're gonna gonna get a freeway, You're you just go
from Rockingham all the way down, which is you hit
Bundy then to her house.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
But service traffic is really bad in LA like really bad.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Two in the morning when it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Yeah, you're right, No, you're right, totally two in the
morning and totally could have been.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
You know what crazy was is that I don't think
that that waiter was dating Nicole.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
No, I don't think so. Either.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
They were just dropping off sunglasses. Nothink oj knew him too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
I think he was a family friend. I think oh
j knew him. I think oj when he saw him
there was like, oh, so you're the one fucking my
lady and probably fucked him up, but I think fucking uh,
poor Ron was just delivering his her mom's classes, not even.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Her glass creen zone like a motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Fren zone, hardcore, hardcore man. He's a good looking dude,
shut out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
You know you have you met a lot of crazy
people in your life that have their own theory about
the OJHO don't live near the area or nowhere near California. Everybody,
everybody had used it. Bro. I was in I forgot
where I was right, and there was this guy with
a ridiculous cold right and look at that that that

(01:14:02):
code from the Magic Color Dream Cold.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Oh, they like, what was it? Yeah, I know what
you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Yeah. The hit a chain of steakhouses in that area.
And his claim to fame was and and you gotta
you gotta give it to this guy, broke, because that's
how you what you what you call marketing. He didn't
let O. J. Simpson in the restaurant, and it hit
the news.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Bro. There were people that were like, we did not like,
we don't like uh. There were things like that where
they're like we didn't serve OJ and that was their
like think of publicity. But his golf club like had
a sign that said we kicked OJ out. I heard

(01:14:48):
that there was like a billboard in Brentwood that was like, uh,
anti O J, Like Brent would fucking hated OJ after that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Apparently it's crazy. How is he after? I would he did?
He ended up being Kato Kalin too serious living as garage.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Remember Rachel Wolfson's mom threw him in prison in a Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
That's why I wore this. Yeah, that's what shout out
to Rachel Wolfson, our homegirl.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Shout out to Rachel wolfsond comedian.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Comedian, first lady to ever be in Jackass, and uh
all around one of the greatest people I know. I
love your girl. Yeah. Her mom was the uh the
judge for the Las Vegas case for OJ, which is
the final end of OJ really because.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
I want to stole back at memorabilia.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
But I did feel bad for him in this one
and and innocent again, I know, Ray laughs, because I
I don't feel bad in the way that he didn't
deserve it. I just feel bad that he I don't know.
I'm sorry that I have somewhat compassion for even horrible people.
But he did, Like dude, they were like, he'd lost

(01:16:00):
everything he worked for And I don't know, Bro, I
get he deserves it for sure, but if you're that person,
you want your stuff back, you want your heisman trophy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
What do you think is heidman from a buyer or
someone stolen?

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
So apparently his his manager was taking everything and saying
that OJ owed him money and that was his pay
and then he was storing it. But one of the
storage facilities got commandeered and taken, so that was a
ton of his stuff, and then a bunch of other
stuff had been stolen out of the other storage lockers,
and some of the people were saying, no, the manager

(01:16:37):
sold that shit and he's not being honest about it.
And what happened is this one dude who's a collector
goes over to OJ and is like, Hey, I know
this guy who has all your fucking stuff, and he's
got it, and we're gonna and we're gonna have a
meeting with him in this room in Vegas and you
could probably reclaim your shit back there. And that was
where OJ fucked up, because he fucking went in there

(01:16:59):
the guy apparently didn't even have any of the stuff
that that was claimed to have. He and then OJ
hires this guy, or doesn't even hire this guy. He's
got a homie bro. He's got another Cato Kalin, who's
willing to do the same stuff. But this Cato is
an expert in guns, and so OJ brings this guy

(01:17:20):
along and says, hey, you're gonna be my gun man.
I just need you to hold the gun. And the guy,
this guy has no idea he's about to He even
like in the in the documentary, he goes home and
he goes he says, I told my wife I think
I committed a robbery today. It's like, you fucking moron, dude,
you more So they go in there and they threaten

(01:17:41):
this guy, and then at the end of the day
too is like OJ doesn't even steal, he's steals some
of his stuff back. But the guy's like, I had
I had autographed Montana stuff, I had all this other
stuff that was other players. And OJ took that. Yeah,
and he was like why did you take that? And

(01:18:02):
that was the thing is that, like I do feel
like because the guy with a gun started throwing everything
in the bags and I think OJ was like, cool,
we got my ship back. I think OJ was on
so much drugs that he thought at the time that
he was recovering his property. Because that's the other thing
is that they left out in the documentary and in
the books about this Vegas trial, is that OJ, if

(01:18:26):
OJ was on drugs during the Nicole Simpson shit. OJ
definitely had to be on on drugs during the during
the Las Vegas stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Do you think O doing steroids in high school?

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Nah, I don't think, honestly, I don't think OJ ever
did steroids. I think, honestly, I think OJ's ability was
natural and God given. And I think it was a
fucking shame that in this country we could take a
human being that went through what he went through, became
as great as he became, and then we made him
a horrible narcissist. Like like, I think that's the thing,

(01:19:04):
and I think that's the problem in America right now,
is that we're making narcissists. We're like, we're factory stamping
out narcissist Because look, if you want to do well
in this country, if you want to be rich, if
you want to do things and be prosperous, you have
to be famous, you have to do something big. You
had like that's the message. That's not actually true, but

(01:19:25):
it's the message. And I think that that's the saddest
thing about that is that Oja was naturally God gifted
and he was ruined by basically fucking capitalism.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
What narcisism mean.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Narcissism is when you're just totally into yourself. Like one
of the problems that they had when they went in,
for example, one of the problems they had when they
went to view OJ's house was when they walked in,
there was not only just a bunch of pictures of
him with white people, but it was just pictures of him,
and there was no pictures of his kids.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
There was no pictures of people that no picture who
were Mandela.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
No, No. But that's what a narcissist is is that
it's someone who cares so much more about themselves than
it's someone like you ever talk to someone or Hominge
in Texas, bro, that's a narcissist. You remember when I
would talk to him about the scene in El Paso,
and he would bring it back to how much he
was selling out or he was dying big things because

(01:20:22):
he's a narcissist because in his mind he couldn't talk
about someone else. He couldn't even hold a conversation with
another person because he was constantly thinking about what he
wanted to impress upon me and what he wanted to say. Man,
that's a narcissist. But there's a different between narcissists and sociopath.
A sociopath is someone who does it, but almost in

(01:20:42):
a criminal way.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
I had a well ask you about the old thing
that something. You meet people who have their own theory
about what happened, or they have a crazy story. I
had a driver they with Richard in Sagonaw, Michigan. He
picked me up, Miro Rodrigo from the airport. Guy Bro,

(01:21:06):
he goes, he drops those off and he goes because
I noticed you, he goes, you go. You and I
could hang out that forio. Give me a bag with
five joints. Okay, right, he was the driver with the casino,
but he hooked it up the joint.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Yeah, I've been there on these runs with you and
someone's like, yeah, man, I got questions.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
So that dude said that he read somewhere or heard
that somebody would in a was in a yard sale,
and they bought the murder weapon broke from Oh, seems
a murder weapon. And he said that one of his
older sons having a yard sell and mistaken he sold it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
How do you know that it's the murder The cops
didn't even know where the murder weapon was.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Yeah, but this guy named Richard who lived in Sagonaw, Michigan,
in the middle of.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Nowhere it knew where it was and had it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
He said somebody, No, he didn't have it. He says,
someone botty at a yards. No looking at that bro
that someone buy the murder weapon and the yards.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Because they didn't recover a murder weapon right. That The
theory is is that he flew to Chicago and dumped
the murder weapon there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
I thought he dumped it in a trash yard at
the La x Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
That also is so no one that I heard as well?

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
That was scratch funding evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Yeah, but there was no murder Weber.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
They couldn't find the murder I want that bag that
that lawyer would to go pick up and then he quit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
What was the bag? Do you know what was in
that bag or what that was about?

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Nothing?

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Huh in Michigan or anywhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Yeah, well, and I have discovered and said there it is,
what's Michigan? Where it's this, there's Jill you know what
funny go to Michigan. So that guy was based that basically,
that story on what they're bro Michigan and I was
in Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
And that makes sense in the way that like, uh,
because he flew to the Midwest supposedly because in my
mind I thought maybe he got rid of it in
because back then you could fly with knives on the plane.
You could put a plane in your fucking carry on
and fly right across the fucking world with it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
And didn't know there was a Bruno my ugly footprint
right at the murders scene.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Yeah, the shoes, the shoes. That was the other thing,
was that dude in the In the civil case, it's
a little different because you have to testify, you know,
like in a criminal case, if you commit a crime,
you're not forced to you're not compelled to testify against

(01:23:24):
yourself or at all. Yeah, right, but in a civil
case you have to. You have to give testimony. And
that was the thing was that this stupid fuck was
giving his own testimony and what he said, what's that yeah,
he pretty much was like yeah, I mean he was
having so much fun with it. That's why he lost

(01:23:44):
all that money. That's why he lost.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Because after everything of decade being stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Because he was being stupid, like he was taking it
as a joke. And the other thing is is that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
He's just been serious but come up with an on
amount and give it to them and take Why.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
So in the criminal court case, when you're being viewed
by your your jury, the peers, your peers, they have
to find reasonable doubt in order to let you off.
They have to find reasonable doubt, meaning like I reasonably
doubt that this happened because of this reason. In a
civil case, it's preponderance of evidence, meaning that if there's

(01:24:24):
just fifty more evidence than there is fifty percent evidence
against that he did it, then he loses the case.
And that basically means the jury sitting there is gonna
judge you by your personality because that's what the that's
what they're gonna go off of, how you acted, how
you behaved. He was cocky, he was acting like a
fucking total shit staying dude. I mean I watched a

(01:24:46):
lot of the video. There's some of it in the
thirty for thirty, but there's a ton of it on YouTube,
like almost the whole entire thing is on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
Almost has to pay back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
He had to pay thirty three million back he didn't
have it. And then the other thing was he tried
to find loopholes around it. So the Goldmans, you know,
the Browns, I don't know, because there wasn't a lot
of involvement. The Browns didn't show up for the case
that much. But the Goldmans were all over this, and
Ron Goldman's dad was basically like, that motherfucker's going to

(01:25:15):
look over his shoulder and he's going to see me
there for the rest of his life. And so they
tried ways to get money away from the Goldmans and
they still weren't able to. The Goldens go right after him.
My favorite one is the book that you like the
If I did it. Yeah, so they let him because
I read so in the thirty for thirty. Kind of
makes it seem one way. But then I heard in

(01:25:37):
a different way that they knew that he was meeting
to write a book and that he was going to
write a book, but that Ron Goldman's dad was like,
let him make the deal first. Let him work everything
out and then we go after him. And so that's
what they did. They let him write the book out,
they let him make the deal, they let him do everything,
and then Ron Goldman's dad seized the deal. And then

(01:25:59):
that's why. And when you see the cover, it says,
if I did it, it's right in the eye. It's small,
He's all. It's making it as small as possible. And
then in the corner of the book it says approved
by the wrong Golden Family.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
And I fucking love that, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
That's a fucking g move right there, bro, Because like,
for once, OJ was like OJ got so desperate that
he was like, the only way I could make money
now is if I tell the truth of how I
did it?

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Is it a pay per view? Remember he did.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
It well, he was gonna do a pay per view,
but he got canceled because he didn't realize that people
were gonna hate him after this. I think that's the
crazy thing too, is that OJ thought, well, a court
a court of you know, a court of of our
jury of my peers finds me not guilty, then that
means that the rest of the world's gonna find me

(01:26:44):
not guilty. Oh Jay No, fuck no, bro, everybody knew
that he was guilty, dude. Now was the thing too, man?
Is that I think? Like because that was like you know,
they was said by that one juror in the in
the thirty for thirty where she was like you could tell,
and she didn't necessarily say she thought he was guilty,
but she was all. I didn't say not guilty for him,

(01:27:07):
I said not guilty for all the black people that
had suffered at the hinds of police before that, and
that had never gotten a fair case, you know, And
that says a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Huh huh, a real fair case. O J.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Didn't get a fair case, but in the way that
it helped him out, you know, it wasn't fair honest
to this day. Bro. What's sad is that we call
it the O. J. Simpson case, And what it should
be called is Nicole Simpson Wrong Goldman case. More than anything,
it should be called the Nicole Simpson case because it's sad. Bro.
This lady wanted out of this life. She wanted to
get out, and she knew that she was gonna be

(01:27:40):
murdered by this man, and she knew that he was
gonna get away with it, and he fucking did, dude,
And to this day, bro, she still kind of remains
unrecognized compared to what OJ is and who he is.
And that's the thing is that it'll never you could
never look at Nicole Simpson and when she did with
her life. You could never see what she was, her
own person, the beauty that she probably brought into this world,

(01:28:03):
what she created with whatever. You're never gonna see what
her potential was, even when she was alive, because it's
so fucking covered by this man, by this guy and
what he did. Dude, Like, I think there's a lot
of things that he was older than her, Huh. I
think he was a little older than her, but I'm
I'm fairly certain the same age. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
He was older.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Look it up. How much older was OJ than Nicole Simpson?
Twelve years older? Yeah, man, Well, okay, yeah, that's a
fucking whole last decade, right there was her? Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
No, no, she went nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
How old was Nicole Simpson when OJ met her? When
O J. Simpson met Nicole Brown, she was eighteen years old.
She was working as a waitress at a nightclub in
Beverly Hills. God damn he did groom her. He was thirty. Bro,
a thirty year old man talking to an eighteen year
old girl. Dude, Like, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
The did you know that Marcus an has fled with
Nicole and old that it was?

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Do you think that that he didn't get mad about that?
I wonder, like, because I'm I wonder that was the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Other thing that I wonder was like after they broke up? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
That was the suspicion though, was that did they fuck
before they broke up or after they broke up?

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
And OJ's like, I don't give a fuck if she
fucked Marcus or anybody else. But it's like, Bro, Marcus
was the second version of you. You're not mad that
the second version of you came along and fucked your
beautiful wife? Like what, Like, you're fucking o J. Simpson.
You're not some fucking fat cock sitting around fucking waiting

(01:29:41):
for some dude to come and fuck your wife. Bro, Like, Nah,
I doubt Bro. I do not think that part is true.
I think that fucking OJ was pissed.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Bro. I think that you know, did you read that
part in the book that when OJ was talking Nicole
Bron Simpson that she knew that he was talking her.
So she was like give him like a little arm
stripped teeth in front of the mirror, in front of.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
The yes, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
So you don't think that she must have sink he
was already he was, He was already there. She showed
up that night.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
I think he was waiting for her. I think he
was waiting for her. I think he watched her come in.
I think he watched her because she was wearing a
knight and like really nice dress. It looked like she'd
been out all night. You know, she was gussied up.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Oh Ji was eating it. He was Kato eating tutaco
for nine nine cents.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
I think Kato helped him. I think Kato helped him
in the way that he loved Nicoles.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
That was his friend, Nick Kitto was nicole friend.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
First, Hollywood is a crazy place, bro, a crazy place.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
Try to be an actor.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Here's here's how it works. Bro. Just let me just
put let me just kind of put it in this perspective.
I'm a comic and I become friends with Bill Burr's wife. Okay,
fucking dope, right. Me and her have been friends since
before Bill was famous, and then all of a sudden,
Bill Burr becomes Bill Burr and I get to hang

(01:31:14):
out with Bill Burr. Bro, this fucking city, Bro will
take that away from someone. It'll take away their friendship
for someone and replace it with I need to be
next to that person. People do unscrupulous things every day,
and I've learned this about living here. People doing scrupulous
things to each other to become famous. People will fucking

(01:31:36):
sell their mom out to be fucking famous. And I'm
not even fucking with you, bro, because like the idea
of it is. And I get this in a way
because it's like I've been working at this for seventeen
years as a comic. My son is upset with me
because of it. My ex wife left me because of it.
Like I've sacrificed a lot. I've been through a lot.
So yeah, dude, I'm not going to consider friends when

(01:32:00):
it comes to comparing my career to my friends or
other people. I'm just not My career is the most important, bro.
Like at this point it is. I have morals, So
there is something that's gonna stop me and be like, yo, bro,
this is your homegirl, don't fuck her over in order
to be around Bill Burr, okay, but I don't think
a lot of people in there.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Do you think ki o'kalyn didn't care.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
I think Kato Kalen was like, fuck yeah, I finally
get to be next to Oj. He's a movie star.
I want to be a movie star, and you know
what I love. But if you want me to kill
Nicole in order to help you to it's ordered you
to help you help me be famous, then let's go
kill Nicole. I honestly think there's people in la that
are that fucking cold.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Bro, those are yeah, his limits even parked outside in
the where people could see it. Huh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
The night, well, the motherfucker drop blood all the way, dude.
The cops literally said, there's a blood trail from the
Cole's house to OJ's. There's blood like even I can't remember.
I think it was Nicole's sister said when we pulled
up to the to the house, Yeah, there was blood
on the on the driveway. Just want tofucking blood in

(01:33:10):
his car he had. He had fucking Nicole's DNA in
his car.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
Parrodriguez was at the In nineteen ninety six, I was
at the Latino Laugh Festival in San Antonio, and Parl
Driguez left San Antonio to go watch the boxing fight,
big fucking boxing match between Oscilla la Joya and what's
his name Caesar Sails hither Chovis Senior, Senior. Yeah, I

(01:33:38):
remember that, the big one, right, the big one huge.
I was watching that ship planning Hollywood with I don't
want to bribe, but I'm the only one who recognized
Scorpios inside the building, So good for you, brother. I
was speaking German after walking everybody Bro Scorpius. Anyways, so
uh the interview, par Rodriguez had to fight and he

(01:34:00):
was all fucked up, and they asked, what do you
think of the poetry? Oh man, this is a bloody fight.
I haven't seen this much blood as the old trial.
Damn a live TV, bro, and they killed Bro. That's
when that's when I've see the shopping lost. Julier says

(01:34:20):
that shopping lost, and he told the ring and the
referee about him and Lesson fuck you, and then had
a bunny bit bro about the OJ. He goes, man,
I don't know about you guys, man, but I'm Mexican man.
And when you stab another guy, the other guy runs.

(01:34:44):
They don't stand there and.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Say me too. Yeah, yeah, exactly, so that there were
two guys right, totally.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Saying there was too murderers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
I did you think so too? I do like and
OJ even says it. And that's the thing is, it's
like you stupid fox, Like I feel like OJ is
saying like.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
You, but you say that Ojo was training to be
that mercenary. Though maybe he could, you know how to
do that big ass Swiss one like they do it
in the movies.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
He did, but you still have to have someone in
to corner Ron. You still have to, like because here's
the thing. But it was like if I'm watching you
dump your girl out onto the ground and I'm Ron Goldman,
I'm not but Escobar sixty one, two hundred and sixty pounds.
I'm Ron Goldman, who's like a little guy. I'm fucking
running dog. I'm not gonna fight OJ. I'm not gonna
stand my ground. And I don't think I don't think

(01:35:31):
Ron would have stood his ground.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
Maybe Ron, he seemed like a nice guy. He didn't
know what happened. Maybe he thought that they were both attacked.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Oh that's a good that's also a good good.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Believe if he think that they were both attacked and
then he.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Just they only did find one set of prints and footprints,
you know, or at least from what I've.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
Heard, fast Ooji' the fast guy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Fast guy, bro, He's fast. And that's the other thing
is that Ron Goldman was cornered when they got when
when where Ron was was murdered. Because that's when you
said the joke by Paul, my brain goes immediately to logic.
I don't know why it does that, but my my
brain went, Yeah, but Ron was cornered. He had a
fence to his left, a fence behind him, and a
tree to his right, and he couldn't get out. So

(01:36:15):
and then you have this huge and again OJ is huge,
you guys, He's huge. He's a fucking massive human. Football
players and basketball players are massive people. So like, even
to me, I'm a six foot one, like I said,
six foot two sixty, OJ would tower over me, you know,
So like, yeah, I don't think OJ is getting out
of I don't think Ron's getting out of that corner.

(01:36:38):
If OJ goes over and knocks out fucking the coal
six feet two inches muscle, two hundred and twelve pounds
of muscle, muscle, all muscle lean as fuck. Baby you
go OJ, Yeah, he fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
Probably fat on him with a bag of ac call
his nick bro.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
He knocked out in the cole and fucking Ron was like,
what's up then, dog let you won't fuck that's my
home girl, and he's like, all right, bitch. And even
actually in the book, because I did read this excerpt,
he goes, you a little ass, can't do shiit to me?
And he walks over and he corners him, and uh,
the emmy medical the medical examiner points out that there's

(01:37:20):
pock marks, there's like slices in his cheek, and what
they think that OJ was doing is holding him by
his neck or his throat and was like, what are
you gonna do? What do you do? You fucking bit
And it was just poking him in the jawline with
this with the knife.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Funny.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Well he's kind of tall too. Whoa they were the same, Okay, yeah,
all right, this this definitely changes how I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Also not two twelve at the time of the murder
that when he was.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
But he's still like they're still about the same, stronger though, right,
it's about me and you, like, like if me and
you were to go at it. One of us is
bigger than the other.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
I'm gotta have a sword to move that fast, but
I'm about to give him the butt of the handle broke.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
That's what they did. He did, he hit him with
There's a couple of marks on the top of his head,
and there's there's a mark on Nicole's head.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
If you ever stab somebody, you will know this that,
no matter if your were gloves, you're gonna get blood
on your hands and your the hand. You've done somebody
ten times, your hands always slides through the knife, while
your neck stabs are like this and you're getting your
fingers getting getting another person's blood.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
I think we've all I don't know if first, I
don't know if enough people know this, but blood is
super slippery when it's.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Wet, and especially when it mixed with poop.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Right, I don't know that part, but but yeah, he
fucking slippery. No, he's yeah, And that's he when you
stab someone and the blood gushes onto your hand, you know,
even if you're wearing gloves like they I think it's
like I my girlfriend is really into murder porn, which is.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Uh, she loves films.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
No, that's not what murder porn is according to these
people they love watching like the twin Lex twenty four
Hours and all these other murdered like mystery things. And
she was telling me that n film stab end up
cutting their hands because they stab multiple times. It slides
and it slides and then you cut your hand. And
you're so because you're so into it. You're dude, You're

(01:39:38):
adrenaline's pumping, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
So my knife has breadth nokos on it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Bro, that's what you gotta do. You gotta have one
of those, right yoj fucked up?

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
Or tape your hand to the knife, or.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Tape your But I even think then, brother, like, because
I was trying to go over my mind how you
could stab without cutting yourself, Like what possible? Because after
I learned that, I'm like, well, I'm definitely not going
to stab anybody anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
I had a joke where I said that I owed
you would have but would have been found not guilty
even if you were on the people's court. Yeah. George
wapner Will said, well, yet I don't see a receipt
for the knife all, no receipt for the knife, So
I have to plead with a defendant he said that

(01:40:25):
was his knife. Next case, please done un done. And
that's where the term where the receipts come from? Show
me the receipts.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
You heard it here first on history.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
Judge Wabner always wanted the receipts. Bro. He didn't say
that he ruined your king. But you don't have other
receipts for the dress, do you? Is that where the
receipts come from? You know, he's fucking great, dude, that's great.
I love that term.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
By the way, it's a great term.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
George Wabner would have just said, you know, you got
a receipt for the knife. No, okay, it's over. No, no,
don't but no bumps his history for fools, Oh, Jay Samson.
Too much to cover, not enough time.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
Much to cover. We'll see what we come up with next.
We'll see you guys on the next episode. Thanks for watching, Hutt,

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