EP 78 - The History of Baseball - History for Foos

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Speaker 1 (00:45):
History for fools. What's up, everybody. We're back, man, We're
back this week. We're talking about the game of baseball,
the grand old game. And before we even get started,
I'll tell you how much baseball is sole and bread

(01:06):
in our heads. That we're just gonna draw a random
baseball field and buy our brains. We're just gonna know
how to draw it. Draw the baseball field a diamond, bro. Yeah,
if you want to get fancy and do a whole
the whole stadium with people is up to you. But
just by memory, bro, Like if you were to if
you were a coach and you were designing the field

(01:27):
and telling your kids where to go.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I mean, the measurements are probably gonna be a round exact,
but it shouldn't be too hard.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
And I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah no, I was a big, huge baseball fan when
I was younger, But I don't want you all to
baseball now. Oh you do the stadium, nice, I didn't
even draw the dugouts, but.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
And I drew there the with the first basement coach
and other fool hangs all that.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, nice, I'm you're good at baseball.
A kid I was good at fielding. I was really
good at fielding, but I didn't know that until I
got older. My dad put me into baseball when I
was young, and I got because I was big, and
they I got pushed into a larger league and it

(02:17):
was intimidating, and I quit like thinking, I can't do this,
and I think it's the only thing my dad ever
let me quit, and I've sometimes I feel it was
a mistake. But I ended up always practicing with my
sisters when they played softball, and they were fucking really
good at town ball, and I used to field for
the with the team and stuff, and so I thought
I'd end up as a pretty good fielder if I

(02:38):
had continued to play.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
But I don't know. You still have my You still
have my little league photo? Bro? From the What's Up
Fool Podcast? Yeah, I played little League Bro back in
when I was a child. How many years did you play?
I never had the making of a bar City brow?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Really did you play juniversity? Are you love baseball?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah? Baby, you love I know that about you personal
my uncle. He used to hear it on the radio
in Spanish with Hime Hareen, the original guy from Announcer
of the Dodgers. That's that was those that's based that's football.
The the other one brother one with in a baseball
uniform mentioning my friend who passed away. Oh yeah, man,

(03:29):
I used to play little league bro with a coach
named lou Hayzene. There, Bro, when you hear a funny story. Okay,
see what third like. There's a team right there, bro.
Boom wait wait wait wait where am I second to
the left? Right there? Bro? That's Michael Love, that's how Me.
That's that Rio, that's Lamont, that's Caesar Cid Yoga. That

(03:53):
guy I don't know his name, but I think your
name is Albert Ralpha Morani rest in peace. He just
passed away. And that little food down there his name
with wo Bro, that little that little food, and then
that food at third Umberto and Sparza. That's only who
ever knew with them Berto, the little their name with Audo.
The little food at their next to Audo is Mario.

(04:16):
And then that little pool next to Marrow. He's the
oldest one on the team. His name is Heavier and
the best catcher. That guy next to him, I don't
know his name of this is George and the other
guy is the ol G of East l a any servantes.
He's a little kid right there, Bro, he's a baby
right there right Okay, show the other picture, the other picture.

(04:37):
That's who that's that's that's here right there in this photo. Bro,
I'll go over there. He's right right there. Okay, that's
here right there, the older kid, not even like a
two years later, Bro an other drinking beers having a
good time. Bro. Guys, these guys were there East Lay
Bro as Fernie Bro his brother. They are these guys, Bro,

(05:00):
they had a lot of fun growing up. Bro. They
would play football, they would hang out together, they would laugh. Bro.
I was saying, like that was the greatest generation for them. Man,
that's Champe over there. That's Tony. All these guys. Bro
used to just play baseball. Nobody messed around. That's what

(05:21):
there might be an old older man in the middle,
Bro as a coach. Some of them beers. Yeah. Man,
So that kid run their name Ruben Molina. Bro. They
called that full mole and that fool hit a home run. Bro.
Like that fool was like if you were like had
like the better influence, he could have been a professional

(05:42):
baseball player. Bro. He would have been whacking at least
thirty home runs a season, Wow, and pitching he was
tan of our time. He was striking off fools, Bro
and whacking balls, Bro. Wow. Yeah so you saw that,
you saw that, least you saw that coach, right, lou

(06:05):
the old man. All right. I used to live across
the street from the park, so I would playing little
league with all these fools, right, and that fool was
coaching already. I was not even playing little league. But
we're playing underhand and I live across the street from
the park. We're playing underhand baseball, right with a baseball, right, yeah,
So I said, picture me slow, Bro, and the old

(06:27):
man was passing by, and I whacked that ball, bro
far and my fun. And to this day that fool said,
oh my god. Yeah really right. So when they were
picked getting a little that's the pee weeks to get
everybody together for little league. That, for me, the biggest

(06:47):
mistake of his baseball career.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Bro happened pick me first based off of that one hit.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Bro, I suffered the whole year. Brouse, I think he
was mad that he maybe he was not mad, but
he had told maybe he had bragged to his son
how great I was. Then we're doing push ups after
every game, Bro, running laps. Oh, that was the first

(07:18):
time I faked before I made it. Bro, I could
relate to that. Bro. He was passing by under hand.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Bro clack, dang, He's like, this kid's got it.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Oh my god. They were picking all the best players, bro. Wow,
he could have picked Mo that year. He could have
picked turo right, he picked me. Our best hitter was
that guy with the lamont Wow, and Michael Love he
was a picture and the guy laugh over there. He

(07:50):
was a left handed pitcher. That guy right there man
the chubby of course backcatcher, and the other guy in
the bottom ere half hair backcatcher and the Philippe is possible?
Got my uniform? Bro, how clean it is? Because motherfuck
I never played dog. They'll put me a right field
brot What time I was playing with my glove Mosquito
went in my mouth, bro ship I had one home run, Bro,

(08:14):
but it was a practice game. I hit the ball
in between left and center field and they couldn't grab it.
They had to chase it, Bro, like the perfect pitch,
and it would not even it even go over them.
It didn't go under them. It just rolled fast, Bro,
like fast, Bro, like a just fast and they couldn't catch.

(08:35):
By the time they got the ball, I was I
was already rounding third for the home run. Nice.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I never got that.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, I played that right there, Peewee's. I played my
next team. I was in the team with with Bulldog
and I was like a very traumatic team to also. Bro.
That was a team where our assistant coach of pcpiano
dugout during the game and ended up taking off his

(09:05):
clothes off and running around to a baseball field butt naked. Yeah,
Bro was like ten serious. First time I saw hair.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
This is how you make a comedian. Slowly there, this.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Is yeah, Bro, I'm gonna dug out. Bro. He started
taking out his clothes free, free, free, free, No way
you get running of the dug out in front of
the kids and ship during the game. What the fuck, dude?
And then they put like a somebody like I don't
know what happened to put a blanket over him and
they sat him back in a dugout and I will

(09:35):
calm down. And he didn't go to jail. Did they
call the cops? Call the cops? They didn't talk. Okay,
there we're gonna put a naked man back in a
dugout homie.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Bro, the fuck you cannot have that in this day, Bro,
that would not even happen.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
It could have, that would have happened five years later, Bro,
our generation, Mike me, I would have We would have
jumped his ass, right, Oh for sure. I think. I
think that's why that guy ends u getting beat up
a line later on, because a lot of the kids
that were that game had have been better for him. Remember,
they would be.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
You know, dude, it's a striking ay, Bro. For the
for kids did the single man's penis Harry penis for
the first time.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Is fucking min And then we had another team. We
had another team. I was another team, and I really
thought that we were going to be in the first
place because that coach, they called him Junior, that fool
used to he coached his team to an undefeated team, Bro,
the Cardinals. They were eleven and oh right, so he
was our coach. That foon even show up to the games, Broye.

(10:42):
There was no coach. We go, guy, we're gonna wait
five more minute, We're gonna for for that game. What
does that mean? Then? Some older kids, but not even
not even part of the game. That means you lose, Homie,
You're the fucking losers. It means you gotta go It
means you gotta go go home home in. Put that

(11:05):
uniform back, start playing soccer. Went back like, put that
clean ass uniform back dogs before we racist. Oh my, no,
young song, you should be playing soccer like sas ah. Bro,
that is so fucking American, dude. But I had a
good glove, Bro. I had a spauding with a little

(11:27):
hole in it glove you have right there. I had
one of these, this glove right here. Bro. I had
the spauding. Bro. I was so excited about baseball when
I was in that team, the Reds. I was in
elementary school and there was a kid named Audo, and
that fool said I went. I was like lunchtime I
saw him outside of the school, you know, not at
the school. You didn't go to school. Nah, man, are

(11:50):
you ready for the baseball game? Hell? Yeah, me too, bro,
And we both went like this, and we had a
baseball uniform under our yeah, hell yeah, under our regular
clothes because we were gonna just go home and take
everything off and run to the baseball game. To lose
see a dick.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
That is the wildest Little League story ever. And it
just happened nonchalantly.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
It just dropped like, yeah, but our coach with our
culture name was Bulldog fucking yeah. Okay, why by the
best chronic on earth back then?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Really that's fuck.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
I ended up.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
I bought weed from like, uh, someone that was kind
of like a coach for me later on in life.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
But you know what, man, some of the kids like
that guy that got butt naked. Yeah. I remember one
time he owe people money in the hood and they
were like and then he owe like a lot of
people money and they were taking turns jumping him like
just like, man, you owe me eighty bucks. Boom, and
he's walking, Man, you owe me fucking thirty five bucks
boot No, no, you owe me ten dollars. I ain't

(13:04):
swearing a homie or and then if just he tried
to get up from the floor and Ike by buying
cakes him when he asked, now we even talk's only
ten bucks.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I still want my ten bucks.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
It's only ten bucks. But I know, I put like
he's a mean guy. But then one of the kids
from the neighborhood that was in our team that was
there who had a big heart, and he was like
that guy Eddie, you know, the real nice guy. Man.
He will he will go over there, he'll hover around
him and go, come on, man, he's just sick. Man.

(13:38):
This food b six is literally and then you let
him go, bro, and you just you gotta stop coming here. Man,
you're good.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
You can't go hang out when you owe people money
in the hood.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Bro, you just can't. You cannot. But it was tough,
Like people have literal league games. Man. I don't know
how little league games are now, but our little our
little game were like hardcore bro like and follow you.
It felt like it follow you actually play. It felt
like you're in a video game, but it's live, bro.
Like you're you're like batting, and the catchers like, bro,

(14:14):
your fucking moms fat dog. Or you're gonna strike out,
you pussy if you get a hit, beat your ass.
After the game, they're like, yet in your ass?

Speaker 2 (14:25):
See I missed all that because I didn't. I didn't
go to the fucking little league.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
And then like fudo strike out and then you lose,
we lose. You fucking suck bro, you suck man. And
then no, no regular coach will be like, hey, man, amen,
last guys, we did it, we did the best. We're good,
and that our coach, our coach will be like, you
know what gets he does fucking suck man. And I

(14:54):
don't know, but I don't know why. He said, I
don't know why I put him to pitch because you
playing Taylor ball with that arm. And then look at
him and go if you cry me, oh, I'm up
whip you right here in front of everybody. He like
badgerate his own son. Bro.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Wow, Yeah, that's different.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
If you were going to a baseball team your dad
was a coach. If people start sucking, your dad might
let it go whatever. But when you start sucking all
that anger that he'd been holding back from little Timmy
losing his losing his cleats on the way to the
baseball game, they'll take it out on you. Man.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Oh man, I never even thought of that. My dad
didn't participate too much. And with me in baseball, because
I only played one year. I played a year and
a quarter, I would say I didn't even do that.
I went to practice the second year and was like.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Fuck uh.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
He did coach my sisters, but they were really good.
But he was like, but that was a kind person.
But I did have coaches that would shop on their
kids in front of everybody.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Bro, we're literally bro, I never thought that.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
I never thought about that, and that I mean I
had a mom. We should I mean in front of
everybody all the time.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
But we were a little league and that guy would
make a hold the push up that day, bro, like, like, yo,
get the fuck out of messed up. He was twenty.
You know why you say bad words like I always
talk to somebody, Oh man, that got fucking sucks? Did
you just swear gim push ups? And then but after
a while, bro, you know like we give me the

(16:28):
I got those shoulders.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Dude, you know why thet me ask you something? All
the kids on your team from the hood, right, Yeah,
that's why. That's why you had that.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
And the coach from the neighborhood too. Yeah. Even when
that coach out there, lou he was cool, bro, Like
he was real cool, Like he didn't he wasn't like that,
but he hit something. He'll show up with hit the
assistant coach, his son, Louis Hayen.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
And Louis was not fun. So because that's the thing, bro,
is you know moms. Those moms more likely they're too
busy to come and take a giant ship on a coach.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
You know what I mean? Oh, bro, those I tell
it from all those kids. I teld whose dad showed up?
From those kids, Bro, let me see for sure. Rest
in Peter Lafa in the corner. His dad never showed up.
Only see his dad once. So his dad was in there.
Caesar the guy next to Lamon right there. His father

(17:22):
was at the games. His father was at the game.
His father played softball. Bro. His father from Hawa is
bro yea. His dad was always at the games. Yeah wow.
But the people that were our games were other kids
from the neighborhood. So it was like the neighborhood watching you, bro,
So it was our audience was the hood. Come on, Philippe.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
I played football for a couple of years, uh, and
I remember the coach kicked me in the ass, like
he came up and like put his foot.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
I gotta I got connected with that coach when you
talking about and they told me this is what I
told you, bro, when you were little. The thing is
butch right now you got ability, But painful as it
may be, ability don't last Now that's a hard motherfucking fact,
but it's the fact of life. Your ass is going

(18:16):
to have to get realistic about. This business is filled
to the bring with unrealistic motherfuckers who thought their ass
would age like wine. If you mean it turns vinegar,
it does. If you mean it gets better with age,
it doesn't. Besides, Butcher, how many fires you seem you
got left to boxers? Don't have a nod timers league.

(18:40):
It came closed, bro, but you never made it. And
if you're gonna make it, it would have made you
would have made it. By now. Now at night of
the fire, you might feel a slice thing. That's pride
fucking with you. Fuck pride, homie. It only hurts. It
never helps fight through that ship.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
That's great, that's really good. I don't my doctor, I
mean my coach that that did not that at all
did not come out of my coach's mouth. It was
more like, you keep your fucking shit ass down when
you're doing push ups, you fucking idiot.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
That's what he said.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
But I could see how that was an internal Your.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Coach wasn't Marcella's wallace. No, I wish I wasn't being rains.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I'd have a totally different future if it was bing rains.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
There's a song I know your record, let me know
you know this song? Phone? Okay, let's go well a
beat the drum and hold the phone. The song came
out to they Were Born Again. There's a new grass
on the field around in third. Hey, there for home.

(20:01):
It's a brown Knight, handsome man. Anyone can understand the
way I feel. Oh, put me in, coach, I'm ready
to play. Put me in coach. I'm ready today today.
Look at me. Our head coach is but naked, but

(20:25):
he has a beat up dick of hairy balls. He
just move some PCP. He is rounding first, rounding second,
the third base coach. Take them out, coach, while you're
bringing your homies today. You're the head coach. Be more responsible, bro.

(20:50):
And after the guy got butt naked, it was there
was no like guys, that was funked up. Don't he
tell don't do drugs.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
So we missed an episode last week, and it was
because I just want to point this out, Like, I
know we're supposed to focus on the history of baseball
right now, but let's talk.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
About your trauma. Okay, So you saw that because you
saw some would die. Dude, you saw what I just
told you about everything that just started a little league, right, Yeah,
so we're leaving the Little League game nineteen eighty, Bro,
nineteen eighty that's only a year later, a year after
this ship.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
You need to laugh, but this is crazy.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
We're just ridding our bikes ride and my friends and
I are on our bicycles. You know, we have our gloves.
Some of them are walking. We're eating ice cups, which
is a little cup with frozen Hawaiian punch.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Like you paid ten cents for the lady she gives
you the little cup.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, there's a there's a I won't get to the
long history of what's's going on, but there's a there's
like there's like these people, there's a fire. There's a
five between the cholos and the neighborhood against these people
who are pretty much communists, activists, activists, communists, activists. Yeah,

(22:09):
they're like they're called the social workers.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
They were the the something, the workers, the people's workers,
people's the people's communists, people's communists, people's.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
What was it, the Relus Red Party.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, something like that, the Communist party that.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Came and there are a bunch of Chicanos and white
people and black They were a diverse crowd. They've been
they've been protesting. They've been protesting my neighborhood for like
the last three years, showing up every once in a
while before May and having a bunch of protests. Right there,
there's one of them, but that on April of nineteen eighty,

(22:51):
they got into a big fight with the people in
the neighborhood and we saw one of them get stabbed. Dude. No.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Also, I don't know if you saw this, but his
throat was sliced because we did the I did the
whole research on it. His slice. The guy stabbed him
and then fucking sliced his throat and he let out
right there in front of everybody.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yea, his name was Damien Garcia.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, bro, So I think about this along with the
naked guy, along with the coach that tells you you suck,
and I go, well, how else do you make a
famous comedian?

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Else?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
What do you expect this guy to do? After like
everybody else went and sold drugs, joined gangs and fucked
their lives up. Luckily, this guy did, Like Felipe, decided
to make comedy with what his trauma created. Holy fuck, dude,
like this whole neighborhood of kids, this whole.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, damon Garcia. When he took over the Alimo, Yeah yeah,
and that gift shot will never be the same.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
That's funny, bro, because the story behind it is is
that he got famous for that and for taking over
the fucking Elabo and like they went in, kicked everybody
out and shut the elbow down, and then he raised
a flag overhead.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
That right there, there is that guy right there. On
April twenty second, nineteen eighty, was murdered at the Pico
a Leisol Healthy Project where I used to grow up,
and we were coming out of our liter league game. Also,
I have comments now from that moment.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Bro. My friends commented, because you were putting it out
there when we were originally gonna do this, you'd put
it out there if you had anybody that had watched
this with you. We're gonna do a whole episode on this.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
But he's gonna make sure that we're a little little
league in this. Let me try to find awhere we
go man, baseball, history of baseball. I didn't read a
book on history a little league, so I made this
post for last week, so we'll do it this week.
I said to all my Pico Lisa Gardens fam who

(25:03):
remembers the Red Flag people, I'm doing a podcast about it.
I need inpoll any memory you have let me know
it happened April nineteen eighty and look at that first one,
that Red Flag man got stabbed and killed in people
at least got away down I remember. I remember. I
believe they had also took over the Alamo and hung
a flag I remember clearly. Also not a bad ideologic communism,

(25:24):
but they should have let's to give idea. But my homeboy, Leo,
what up? They thought they were liberating us, but we
felt invaded. Yeah, not to mention most of us were
government assistance. They believe we should have raised against the machine. Yeah,
dude out there.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, that's the thing, is that like these guys, because
when I read that, the sentiment was is that because
they were trying to accuse Bill Gates of this kid's
murder and setting it up, that's what a whole podcast.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Was going to be.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
So one of them broke and it was like did
nobody like everybody? When I read like personal accounts as
much as I want to blame a.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Cop put it back the guy named David Rono. The
fuckers here, yea bro. And then something got posted the
photo of me when I when I, when I fucking
me and my little sister. We went to the birthday party. Bro,
we already invited YO.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Give us that password, dog, give us that password?

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah? Bro? Wow.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
So they got back to you took.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Him a while. You took him a while, bro, But
I got the comments here. One of them was. One
of them was damn food you taking this way back? Oh?
I remember them foods came into the pj's deep and
seeing one laid out. After that, I remember they coming back.
What is the pj's stand for projekesh? Okay, yeah, how stupid.
But then this girl, Margaret, she said, you mean those

(26:38):
people that came to the hood every day May first
talking about May Day. Then one of them got stabbed
to death. Then they never came back. That shit happened
near our apartment.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
This is this is how I'm sorry, David Garcia.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
This is your memory, bro.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
You walking around annoying the fuck out of everybody with
your communist rhetoric and then getting fucking stabbed, and then
and that was it, and nobody was like, man, so
sad that fucking guy just wanted to do the right thing.
Nothing dude, he fucking this is what happens when you
fucking go to places people don't want you.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
And you get killed. So that what happened right there? Man? Wow,
he goes, Joe, Joe did my little my little homie rule.
He said, remember the march on the fourth and glass
go the big march brough the cop showed up.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
How was that picture? Uh that he showed earlier?

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Was that more? It's a more info, bro, But this
guy goes Juan Carlos Serrano said that red red flag
man they got stabbed and killed and Aliso Pico. Then
David Gonzale said, by my homeboy saying no names. Hey,
so it wasn't a cop. Oh wow. Then he goes,
I remember that, And then somebody said I read it
with an inside job. I also read that they caught

(27:48):
the guy a month later than was taken out. That
I didn't know, but I was there when when they
came to the project. So he was, yeah, that was
the thing.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Is he was because because he was murdered like about
a month later, right that we found Ray and the
thing that the story behind it was is that the
the Communist party that was due putting this all together
was like the cops said, listen, I love blaming the cops.
I love blaming the fucking cops as much as possible,

(28:16):
But I really don't think it was the cops in
this one, Like just from what I was reading, because
I was reading articles and there was like a guy
that was there that became a writer. That's that's a
cool picture that they were. Like these people just came
and annoyed the fuck out of everybody. That all these
working class people who just wanted to come home relax.

(28:39):
You know. I guess they did a little good by
tutoring the kids, but they were still trying to push
their propaganda.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah. Man, so I saw all that happened by the
time before I was fucking thirteen.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
And you, dude, this is like, you're just a little
league guy. You know, You're just a kid playing little league,
fucking wishing you were Fernando Valenzuela.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
You know. Also, but don't forget bro, after that stabbing,
I went home through domestic violence too.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
That's okay. Yeah, I didn't want to assume see there's
the thing is that because you tell me about your
home life. But it's like then you go home to
abusive parents and a parent's amusing.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, you have no hre you go. What's wrong with you?
Why are you like this? I don't know, dude.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Maybe the fucking mountains of trauma you laid on my
eight year old fucking self.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
What do you? What do you there? We is look.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
And brutally murdered by by people who are annoyed by him.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
All right.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
A member of the Revolutionary Communist Party, one of the
three revolutionaries who raised the red flag over the Alamo,
was brutally murdered by police agents in an East LA
housing project.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Times said that they caught a guy named El Changoo.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, there's a video of the press release from Los
Angeles PD where he's like, Okay, this is the guy.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
He's a suspect.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
His name's Chongo and it's like I could I'm like,
I was, me and my girl were watching this from
all I wonder this guy has dark skin or something
like what is what is his nickname?

Speaker 1 (30:13):
This?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
But he was a real guy and he ended up
getting stabbed in another gang fight later on.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, stabbed, homie This is how we start out with
the history of baseball. You gotta beat up glove a
homemade bat. You know, baseball one of those games that
you could just play with anything. Man, you get you
pull six people out there with a bat. I see Dominicans. Bro,
they make a little glove out of a baseball, of
a fucking a mitt out of a out of a

(30:41):
paper bag. No way, yeah, really, yeah, there's this baseball player.
I'll find a video on the show later. Play the video.
Play this picture. Look at that man, old school coach
Lou Hayes. There that there, man, look at that. Everybody
here is good.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
This is way better pick showing.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, man, that's how I'm a little tet right there,
little Andy. That guy next to him at rod riesco good,
he was a good ass. Picture. That's his that's his brother,
right the head coach. The assistant coach was the Phillies.
But look at lou bro Lou Hayes and shutout the
only white guy ever known, always involved. And this is
where here the next picture. So the next one, Oh

(31:21):
that's Ronnie Hawkins. Man, that could do my walker. Oh bro,
that kid right there with a p yeah, oh man,
rest in peace. Man, that's Alex. Bro Alex. I don't
know his last name, but he was he played for
the Blue Jays, the Boyle Heights Blue Jays. Wow, and
he was in a Little League game and he was

(31:41):
like fourteen years old, bro, And that fool was unlived
at hollow Back Park.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Isn't a teenager or like, I mean, more an adult
person than it was.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
No, he was a fourteen year old kid or fifteen
fourteen dude. You look it up, Bro, I don't know
if you could find it. I'm a kid named Alex unlive,
holling Back Lake, nineteen eighty five, nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Well, there's a lot of death in trauma and we
haven't even gotten past the Little league.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Do you know what's crazy?

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Oh? Wow, I hate that fucking firewall. Bullshit, dude, wrong, No, No,
that's about a construction going on at Holling Back.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
That was for when p Roun made the Makeaway Foundation.
He built a skate park there. Good for him. Oh
that's that.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
That's Holling Back with the big skateboard.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yes, skate park park the little lake right, Yes, Yes,
I used to have sex in that park, bro, really yeah,
I used to beat it up at nine with a
forty thousand hand. There's a lot. Yeah. So that kid, bro, little,
that kid he was we always talked. We we would
always talk about as a kid because we didn't know

(33:06):
how to deal with a drama. Bro. Anyways, me and
that kid, I love. I like that kid a lot him.
When I got into a fistfight right before that happened,
we never got to it. We never had closure. Wow,
Actually we did. Man, he gave me like we were.
He was holding my shoulder and still I had a
black guy and it was cool. This guy right here, Bro,
I love that. I love that man right there, man

(33:27):
to death, the guy with the glasses, and I speak
on a pure love. And that guy his name was
Kenny Earls, and he used to coach the Yankees all
the time. All his teams won first place. And he
used to play basketball at Wilson High School. And this
guy bro. Later on, after he worked here a little league,

(33:50):
he went to go work at the Hollumbank Youth Center
that was owned by the l a p D. So
the LPD will allocate money from the from businesses to
run that gym for the neighborhood. Also, Man, if you
want to play basketball. Three, you want to play basketball

(34:10):
early in the morning, like seven am. Go to the
Holland Back Youth Center and you could get a good game.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
You could play against some cops and cholos. Bro. That's
the only gym that has games with cholos and police officers.
Bro mixed mixed stuff together, mixed together. And they have
a boxing gym where Askajoya used to box, and then
around he went to his brother's gym. But Paul Gonzalez
ended up getting a gold medal out of that gym.

(34:37):
So that coach, little that Kenny, when you were the
coach there at Pecan, all his teams were first place.
Look it right here, Bro, that kid right there, Bro,
next to that kid, Look that's that's that's Timmy over here.
That's that's our tudles. Brose. You're like looking at the
people of the faces. You could like zoom in somehow.

(34:58):
Oh yeah, Bro, all these kids killers, Brose. The little
kid out there, bro adam Yamas from a little kid
at their little Miklo. But he's Mexican out there, the
bad motherfucker. And all these kids broke good players. But anyway,
so that coach he went to go work at at
Hollow Back Gym, but over there it was not the

(35:21):
Little League Baseball. Little league was new, and that's who
they hired him right to run it. But he had
like none he did have coaches that much, so he
would end up coaching all the teams because he couldn't
get coaches. Right. Wow, So that who will grab the
hollum bag you center van and he'll help, and he'll

(35:44):
have a box of uniforms and he'll be like this, Felipe,
how old are you now? Thirteen? I'm gonna be fourteen? Okay, man,
just tell them you're eleven. All right, you're gonna be
playing tonight. And then Joe, how old are you now? Fifteen? Okay, man,
wear your hat really low. Man, you're gonna be thirteen.

(36:05):
And then we'll get a bunch of kids. How are
you Andy? Nine? Okay, you're gonna be eleven. So but
we get all these kids, but you know, forest don't
even match and we're playing a Lincoln Park. Wow.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
And that dude, bro he got everybody together.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
That dude will grab all the kids and take them
to all the little league games and then like he'll
be like this, right, there's another game at tomorrow at five,
He goes, man, who wants to play that game? All right?
And then we'll change uniforms. Oh really will be the
Dodgers now instead of the A's no ship. But the

(36:46):
same half of the kids were in the other game,
right yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
And they would put that's fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
We don't enough kids. Because he was running everything by himself.
It wasn't like p can all organized right wow. And
so so that dude Kenny, he would he will be
there on weekends, and I guess there was he would
have to. He would have to do something right, like

(37:11):
run a program with activities. So therefore, will get the
van again and drive around the housing project. Go, hey,
fully pay what's up man? You want to go to
the beach? Yeah? Bring to bring three dollars? So I
bring if you want to go to the beach, we're
gonna go to the beach, Yeah, bring three bucks. So

(37:32):
me and my little brother will like scramble up three
bucks for the four three of us, and then every
kill have three bucks, will give it to him and
if we put an envelope, he'll go gass it up, bro,
and we'll go to Venice Beach, dog Ben's Beach. We're
in Venice Beach, bro, project kids. Bro. Remember what time

(37:53):
we're laying down and the sweetish chicks. I get that.
It's that different Paris because they saw ben Is whatever.
They took their blouses off. Amazing. We're the little kids, Bro,
just thearing that's here's here's this is a sweet way
for this and fold up and and yeah, and then

(38:15):
there's and then there's a white kids, white shake over
on the other side. Yeah, she's just blasting done dunn
done durn my shot, Rona. That's a great And then
the way home, Bro, we're thinking about that chake Remember
that chake, bron. She was my little kids singing my

(38:38):
cheechaw Bro instead of my show. Rona. She got bigger
boobs that we saw you guys a song. Yeah, we
dook to word out and that's the mental So that
was the first time we saw boobs.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
They were white and they were juicy. That's what's amazing.
Yes they are. Yeah, man, they're the great dude. The
first we were little kids, Bro. I remember, because we're
all different agents. But there were some guys who they
were juicy.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, there were juice.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
We didn't know what they were saying.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
It sounds like a perfect word. I don't even know
what they look like, and I could tell you they
were juicy.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
So that dude will take us to the beach all
the time, Bro, like different activity. Dude.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
That's the best guy ever.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
By the best best. I can't complain about like being poor, bro,
because I had a lot of poor kids. But also
some of the kids on the project ended up getting
cool job where they could do stuff. Yeah, my mom,
I would have never been able to go to the
beach every weekend before that guy.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, my mom ran a youth center. As I think
we've talked about it before.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
We're sure he kidnapped us. You know, if something would
have happened, everybody fucked Well.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
That's the thing is how many kids just had three
bucks and didn't tell their parents another time?

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Bro? Before Kenny, you know Kenny before he would take
us one time he wasn't there. So have to get
this guy named Al Stanky look him up. L a
p D coach Al Stankowitch from Hollow Back Youth Center
l a p D. Either this g the l a
p D. Bro, he's the coach. La Joya left him

(40:13):
because he they dragged too much. And al als Thanky
son ended up playing baseball for Pepperdine University and and yeah,
and then he ended up playing for the Yankees short lived.
Al Stankovich was the name of his son.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
WHOA, that's some history right there.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
So bro, they got mad at him because he took
to the beach one time. That guy al Thanky goes.
He goes because he wanted this one want to go play.
You watch his son play, but he stuck l A P.
D Hallo back youth Center. His son's a way of Pepperdine,
Yes him, brol Is it him? Boxing coach? Yeah, that's him, Bro,

(40:58):
that's him, bro, full coach he coached. Yeah, Bro, look
at that full coast Abarzalid in ninety four and he
only coached as to the La Joya. Bro, I'm not
lying about this. All the way down that full coach
boxing bro, all through his life. Big heart, big heart,
this guy and he goes, he goes, he was he

(41:21):
will get into an argument with the city. You got
gotta give me a fucking bust. I gotta take this
this kids to the beach. He goes, Man, We're gonna
give you a fucking bus. Yeah, Bros. The real g
bron guy. Where's his statue? That for? Where lou Hayzen
that full loved the community bro? Anyways, so that a
lot of fucking like Karen's from from back in the day,

(41:44):
they got all man because he was supposed to he
was supposed to be doing what he does, right, But
that food grabbed one of those. He grabbed one of those.
He grabbed the Great Goose. Bro going to a Chino
on the Great Goose, right? No, yeah, oh he got busted.
Oh he got the Great Goose. He got the fucking

(42:04):
the County jail bush to take you guys. Fuck. Yeah, dude,
the Great Goose.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Such fucking dope though as a kid, yeah, to ride
in a jail bus would be dope. As I know,
it sounds crazy, bro.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
We were fighting to see who gets put in a cage.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, yes, dude, that would it's that would be like,
I'm sorry because it sounds crazy because this is an adult.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
I've ridden those. It's fun. But there he he fucking
found a node Great Goose, bro, the fucking Ali County
jail bus. Yeah, and he fucking filled it out with
a bunch of kids and myself and and I and
I me and my brother Angel. We asked me we
could go because you know, if you've ever been in
a County Joe bus, there's regular, there's regular seats with handcuffs,

(42:49):
but before you get there, there's a cage for hardcore motherfuckers. Right,
So we were on it. We were all happy to
kid and then the Karens were talking about they put
our kids in cage. Oh no, but they forgot that.
They forgot that part about me and Kenny going in
a van to the McDonald's and pepperdine to buying sixty

(43:12):
cheeseburgers and seventy five burgers and eighty cokes and ninety
five they came out of his money, but this came
out of his cat. Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, that's so.
That's so fucked up, dude, that.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
It's so hard to have someone from into your neighborhood
do the right thing and with the bare minimum there
even still the guy gets because that's I bet you
if anybody asked those kids, how do you feel about
riding in a bus that you used to house prisoners
are transferred prisoners, they would be like, that's fucking rat.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Now.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
One of them was like, yeah, he fucking kidnapped us,
put us on the bus and made us act like prisoners,
and then he got us all cheeseburgers and then he
told us other place.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
What the fuck? Dude, Well, the first time I met
fucking stupid people, I remember being so happy because we
also bought like ten big mags for the adults over there.
To the adults, I put a big Megan and I
have the bag, so I put like big mega cheeseburger
and my jacket cheeseburg. I had a big Meg on
the way there. Real fast. He won real fast. Wow,

(44:25):
oh yeah, and then we got through path of the cheeseburgers.
But he ended up taking He took us one time
to Dodger Stadium in that jail bus too. That's so fun. Hey,
but they took this place today.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
I'm not even mad. I'm not even mad. That's the
thing is like, In fact, if I was a kid
and you were like, Butch, what would you rather go
in the regular rate band that we used for the
y or would you either go in the fucking prisoner bus.
Let's fucking roll in the prisoner bus, dude. That's fucking yeah, bro,
And I mean again, not so fun as an adult.

(44:57):
I've been on the Great Goose as an adult are
version in Santa Clair County. Not fun, but yeah, as
a kid though, Bro, that sounds like a great dude.
There should be a statue for that guy.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Later on, when when I ended up playing senior league
at Hollomback Youth Center, Okay, sixteen years old to whatever
age you can play, right, So I was fucking and
I was in like sixteen playing with twenty five year olds, bro,
thirty year olds professional baseball players now. So people used

(45:30):
play at San Fernando Park that play every every Wednesday
in the morning. People that play like in parks. I
was in a senior league and we went to play
Pico Rivera. We played the men's league in Pico Rivera
at the stadium Lo Toros. I guess whatever. That Picco
Rivera high and with a bunch of older Mexican men

(45:52):
like workers, construction workers. You know, they have matching uniforms, Bro,
Like one one I have a Dodger shirt, but his
pants will be purple. You know. So dude, those mother
everybody in that team hit a home run off of us.

(46:15):
They were like the Harlem Pisons, Bro, they were like
the Harlem they were like they were like that that
that that baseball team, the Bananas. Bro. They played really good.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
They struck out. Not only they get a home run
off off of us, they all hit a home run
off of us. They struck everybody out, like like like
the coach the pictures, I was strucking everybody out. He
want to go talk to girls, He goes, you want
to keep playing?

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Or what?

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Before I stopped playing, Bro, I was my record. I
was My record of batting was nine hits and and
twenty two at bats.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Oh wow, okay, okay, I need to say nine hits,
nine games.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Here's the twenty two bats because I played a lot
of games, but they didn't get to bad a lot
because I would come in like later on. But some
of these guys were really really good.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Right, So it's dude, I never I didn't. I was
so intimidated.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
I wanted to play pro Bro, I want to I
can play. Never had like like like Uncle Junior to
Tony Soprano, you don't have the makings of the varsity.
So the way I met Alfankowitch, he pretty much saved
me from getting knocked out. I was playing. I went

(47:35):
to the hollow back gym for the first time. First,
I was coming from somewhere right right, and there was
a kid there, Bro, and he goes, who wants to fight.
He goes, he'll fight you, and they just grabbed me.
He'll fight you, He'll fight you. Yeah, he'll fight you, right,
And then they go, I show you what to fight.
Come on, man, I'll be soft on you. I'll be
soft on you. Right. And then I got put on

(47:57):
the gloves and I put on the gloves and where
I gott We did one thing at that and al
stanking came up to me and he goes, take those
clothes off, kid, and look he looked at the other kids.
What the fuck you're doing, Rudy, You're sucking the golden
gloves champ. Oh oh yeah, Bro, he would have beat
the fun. He would have beat the for fun for fun. Yeah.

(48:21):
But like yeah, man, So that dude at the Rudy,
him and I end up being good friends later on, bro,
because we were both busted to ours, you know, junior
high school and he ended up being a l A
p D officer. But he lived at that gym. Bro.
That guy Rudy and another guy named not TV Dodd.
That's big nat but he runs the gym.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Now really, to this day, I'll tell you, man, I
knew like this is.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Imagine bro, this part this place is far from Peco
at least, or if you see it on the map,
it's far. But I would walk over there really every
day every day. Good ship. That's my origins of my
little league read bro, Dude, that is great. That is
fucking great. Yeah, man, history for fool history four fools,

(49:09):
bro all my baseball trauma? Wow?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Really though, Bro, this is Here's the thing is this
is an illustrious career all on its own, and and
you're only like, what ten eleven at this time? Yeah, dude,
there's a lot in there right now, there's a lot already.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
That was a lot of history. Yeah, man. That that
When I was playing Little League with that guy, Lou Haythan,
it was p Can Park, And somehow I love the
name of that p Can Park, Bros. Lou Hayzing bro
th that kid.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
What's this guy's story? Is he like a dude from
the hood too?

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:51):
This white guy either in the projects and he grew
up in the projects too.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
See though housing projects was built for arm for veterans. Bro.
World War so they have housing. They just stuck around. Yeah,
and then the housing didn't want the army beds. Some
of them took it and a lot of them didn't.
He's one of the ones that took it, and he
lived there forever. There's another white man who lived there forever.
So he had money. He just decided to no money.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
He like, I mean, but he was like maybe middle
class or was he poor?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Middle poor? He lived in the housing project, in the projects.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Right, But I mean, but you made it sound like
you made it sound like yeah. So that's the thing though,
is like because like, because this is kind of what
happened in the neighborhood by where my mom has her kids,
is that there's a it's a it's a house full
of hood like like like hood buildings, and then there's
some regular middle class housings because the soldiers hung on

(50:48):
to them when they when they moved everybody else out.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Now, this is about one. He stood here when it
was became a housing project, and he was always in
the housing project. I don't think he ever had a
job that I know of, because I didn't grow up
with him. I didn't know him as a coach. And
to imitate his walk like this.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
He's like a tall, lanky white dude.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah. Man, His son, Louis, he ended up going to
to you know, other Marines and he was a demolition man. Oh. Bro,
this is how hardcore, how COREM. Lou Hayzing was and
about training and practice. He fought well, he was in
World War Two, Lou I think he was. He was

(51:36):
like a little You couldn't hear that, well they would,
they will look owd at that. Maybe you were near
the bomb. Maybe he'll survived, Normandy, I don't know. But
his son trained Bro for the Marines. Bro. He found
a solid metal pole somewhere that was that was heavier
than a rifle and he held it like this, And

(51:58):
I who woul jog around on downtown Los Angeles and
then come back to the project holding it at this
Bro to get rid of he would wow. He would
jog like this, Bro holding that middle pole, high school
kid bro all around the housing project, all around that
LA And then by the time we got to the Marines, Bro,
everything was like paper. Yeah. Yeah, I do that and

(52:22):
the packs. I do it with a mic stand. I
run around.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
I run around my house once with a mic stand
and then I tiere around and fall asleep.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
The night of the fire might feel a slice thing. Bro,
that's pride fucking with you. It only hurts, never helps
fight through that ship because a year from now, when
you're kicking it at the improv, you're gonna say Coach

(52:56):
Ray Louhayesen was all right. He was was another coach
on the that we had growing up. And I had
him on What's Upful podcast Ray Escallera Vietnam bed nice nice?
What What did he coach? Everything?

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (53:14):
But mainly baseball? What did he coach for you? I
never you know what? I never had the chance to
be in his team. How did you know him? From
growing up in the project? He was like when I
lived across the street from that park, he would always
like throw hit round her to the kids that are
in his team. And one day, dude, he went home

(53:36):
and I guess he forgot the bag of equipment with
the balls. And this old lady I used to always
talk to. She had to lend me her house all
the time, and she to me and I don't know
why I hang out with her, but I would just feed,
feed her and just talk. She fucking told me she
found out the bag of baseball when she was walking

(53:58):
walking around, and I know who that belongs to. He
goes who, he goes on Rays Calera whatever. So, Bro,
you know me, you gotta get in her somehow, I
didn't even have the bag she did. I'm gonna go
talk to Ray and I said, hey, man, did you

(54:19):
lose your equipment and your balls? Your baseballs? Yeah? I
found him. I know who has it. He goes that
lady across the street. She told me that she picked
it up for you, and she's gonna give it to you.
Just gonna go ask you for she's across the street.
Thank you man. And that food, bro, he bought me
a burrito dog nice hell yeah, one of the good

(54:40):
burrito bro. But yeah, man, because back then, bro was
one of the litterle league games where a burrito truck
will show up and it was like an American burrito
and he came, you know it's gonna be good, bro,
because they came in a yellow wrapper.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Bro, I think I'm gonna go get told gave me one.
This is making me hungry.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
History for fools, Yeah, man, So who invented baseball? Actually
somewhere where he was talking about Little League they say
it was founding. Some people trace it back to before
the Revolution, and some people say that it was came
from cricket or round ball. But the main thing is
that they try to keep it as an American sport.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Right. So here's the thing it's like, So everybody is
gonna say right away, when I brought this up at
the comedy store yesterday, all the baseball fans are like,
Abner double Day. And I think there's actually a lot
of baseball fans who know the real story behind this. Uh.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
In this way, that Abner Double Day in nineteen nine.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
So all the way up until nineteen ninety nine, we
thought that that Abner double Day is that is I
don't think that's him. Actually I know that it says
it might be him.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
So, up until nineteen ninety nine, we believe that Abner
double Day was the inventor of baseball. Why because there's
a thing called the mills and uh. In nineteen oh five,
after baseball had become an established sport, people were paying
tickets to watch it, the players were finally getting paid.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
People want like.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
They the National League wanted to take baseball to a
new level, and there was a guy that owned the
White Stockings is what they were called at the time,
named Albert Spaulding, and he was friends with a guy
named Abraham Mills who was also a lawyer and played
for another baseball team. And these teams were like, they

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were like men's clubs. Bro, they weren't like like what
we are then, huh no, there was Okay, so there
is and if we have time, we'll talk about the Monarchs.
There is one group of poor people that got into
the leagues and were really much dejected, and we didn't
find out about them until way later in history. But
it was mostly rich dudes who were like, honeyho gents,
we play this weekend at the pleasure gardens, which is

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why they called, you know, like Madison Square Gardens was
considered a pleasure garden and so like, and and for
a good reason, because there was also hookers and stuff there. Anyway,
So these two guys are like, well, we need to
come up with the history of baseball to market baseball
better so that the National League have some lyft and.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
So this one guy said this.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Albert Spaulding was like, well, so so Albert Spaulding, he
wrote he one of his early things was he wrote
manuals for sports, so like how to play volleyball, how
to play tennis.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
But his biggest thing was baseball. And he loved baseball.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
And he had a guy that would edit for him,
by the name of Henry Chadwick. And Henry Chadwick was
later on deemed the father of baseball because he contributed
so many articles to baseball. He was an Englishman who
played cricket, who loved the game in cricket till he
moved to the United States and found baseball and fell

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in love with baseball. But he did not want to
lie about the origins of baseball. And his contention was
it came from cricket and a game called rounders bounders,
and and and and that that we would that that
that game came over here, and then we would end
we would end up calling that old cat, And so
old cat is played Old cat. Old Cat was a

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game of rounders played with just three or four people.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
And old one.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Old cat was one base, one pitching mound, and then
someone throwing a ball at the batter, and then and
then the object was to get to the base and
come back. And so Spalding contention and then you had
two cat, three cat four cat four cat ended up
being what actual baseball rules are. But you had Spalding

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who was like, this cannot be. We cannot have our
invention come from the UK. It has to be a
man sport. Cricket's not a man's sport. So we got
to invent something. And he would a old cat is
what I know to be. And so there was an argument,
and then all the fans would get excited, and there
was a campaign called no Rounders, and so so Spalding,

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very much like every American has ever rich American has
ever done to push their agenda, said you know what
I'm gonna do. We're going to have a council of
people decide and go over the history of baseball, and
then we will conclude after this and tell everybody what
the real origin and who invented baseball. And again Chadwick's

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contendents like, there's no fucking inventor of baseball. It was
a game that evolved over time, and there was, and
so so Spalding wanted to push Abter double Day after
double Day, who never even wrote in his journals about
baseball and died years after. He was like, uh, declared

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the inventor of baseball. Spalding pushed this on Mills, and
Mills came up with Mills talked to one guy who
was at her Doubleday's friend, and he was like, yeah,
I remember he drew out the diamond. He put the
bases ninety feet apart, nine players, and this guy, it
was the only guy that said it. He was the

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only guy that was there. And by the way, this
is all coming from a book called Baseball in the
Garden of Eden, and it's written by the official MLB historian.
And so what happens years later, bro is this person
who is like a son of a collector who doesn't
give a fuck about baseball, sends all these documents and

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stuff to the History Museum of Baseball. And this is
in ninety nine and they open up one of the
documents and it's letters going back and forth to the
to Miller about double Day and how doubled there's no
real proof that double Day was the inventor of baseball.
And then through more research we find out that there's

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a guy named Alex Cartwright who started the very first
New York Because there's two systems of baseball back then,
there's the and this is like after it's already built
up to something. There's the Massachusetts version and the New
York version. The version that we know today of baseball
is the New York version, and it was started by
the New York Knickerbockers Baseball Club, who was started by

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Alex Cartwright. Now this is going to be where the
controversial parts are. And I could read already everybody's comments
that Carlwright was the actual inventor. He was not either.
He was the starter of the Knickerbockers, and that's why
he was deemed the inventor. The other thing in the
controversy behind this is that this guy Cartwright, he was

(01:01:44):
a miner in San Francisco for like doing like you know,
golden stuff and fucking his sons because they wanted him
to be in the Hall of Fame. Inserted excerpts that
weren't originally there and were found to be fraudulent, that
he talks about playing baseball with the miners and Native
Americans and this is all kind of lies to get

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him into the Baseball Hall of Famel. Again to the commenters,
this is from the MLB Hall of Fame historian himself,
So what this historian believes had happened was that the
Knickerbockers were the ones. There were a bunch of rich
dudes who really loved playing baseball, and one of the

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lead guys was a guy named Doc Adams, and Doc
Adams and a couple other guys got together and decided
to hammer out the rules.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
And that's where you get.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
The ninety you get the ninety fee bases, you get
the forty five foot pitching mound, you get the nine
players that used to be eight players in four old
cat and they've kind of produced, they've hammered out this
version of baseball. And so that's kind of where we
are with it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
And it's this is a thing. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Sometimes you'll go, this is a subject that I want
to work on, and I'll walk away thinking, how fucking
hard can this be? It's baseball baseball, But baseball also
has been around for over one hundred years, and it
has a ton of history and very few historians.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
That's the nicker Baseball Club, Knickerbocker Baseball, not to be
mistaken by the other team. That's a black team pronounced
differently soft. Yeah it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
So yeah, that's okay. So that's the start, right and
then you know, let's fast forward to nineteen oh five
and or actually no, because we got to talk about,
you know, all the things that happened in between to
make baseball what it was, because there were It didn't
just start out the American League in the National League.
It was actually the Brotherhood of Baseball Players or something

(01:03:55):
I can't remember. And that league had gone for a while,
and then another league popped up, and at one time
you had the National League, which kind of hung in
there after the Brotherhood. One of my favorite things about
this story is that the American League pops up after
a while and it was and it's taken different forms
because it shut down and it started again because the

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National League was like, hey, we're a family organization, no cursing,
no drinking, you know, like no playing on Sunday, where
the American League was like, fuck that, we're gonna charge
twenty five cents less, we're gonna have smaller fields, and
we're gonna have we're gonna have drinking. And it was
called it was like nicknamed the Whiskey Beer League for

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a minute, and it was called the American Association at
the time before it became the American League, and the
games were faster, they went quicker, and National League started.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
To lose money.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
So and this is just a really shortened version of
what actually happened. But at some point they kind of
marry and they decide, like, let's get together. Bro. There's
so much in there, like how players were owned pretty
much like let's say I purchased Felipe to play for me,
and I didn't even make it to the playoffs, right,

(01:05:11):
or my team because a lot of times, Bro, this
is how it happened. Was like because there were three
hundred teams in the league at one time, and so they.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Had to like, come, three hundred, man, some of them
must sucked.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Well, that was the thing is they had to like
like you know, like pin down who was the best
and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
And then playing three games of the huh, ro fucking crazy?
What do you read about that? Bro? But I read
somewhere too, Bro one time, bro that this fool will
be like hurt, but they have to go two more games.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Yes, well, dude, the Negro leagues have a guy that
pitched two or three games.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
There was a guy that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Played second base, and they would like they didn't so
here's a here's a good misnomer about we're gonna be
all over with this. But about the so before before
the Negro leagues came out, the black people were playing
baseball as well in these leagues, and they some of
them had their own teams and some of them were mixed,

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and there wasn't a lot of issue over other of
black players playing on teams so much. But then the
Negro leagues came along. But right before that, there was
a group There was a guy that played for a
white team and this one other white team. The other
white teams were like, fuck this guy, we don't want
him playing. And he played second base and he was good.

(01:06:30):
And what these guys would do is they would sharpen
the spikes on their cleats and slide into him, and
then he would get smart and wrap his legs in
like uh wood. He was like the first guy to
use shin shin shint guards. And by almost by the
sixth inning, he was always taken out of the game
because he was injured. And then he would only play

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like five or six games this season because he was
constantly injured. So like, uh yeah, these guys were fucking
like pretty awful with each other.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
But yeah, the ty Cob, you know he will do
what ty Cob will do the same thing, sharp in
his k Yeah, and he would, you know, they say
he will what carre of file. He said that he'll
get a base hit? He will. He was such a
great player. He goes like, he'll get a base hit,
and then he's right there on first base. Places him best, bro,

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with the umpire and the first baseman and people in
the stands.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
And he goes at this, goes two bits, I'm gonna
still first base. I'm gonna still second and third to
this right now, and he goes two bits, I'm gonna
still second and third, and ty cow up just twenty
five cents. He'll fucking bet that got bad guy. He'll
he'll still second, he goes. He goes, so the better
be I'm gonna still second and third, or the food

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will be No, you're you're not gonna still second. You're
gonna get caught at third. And some people are betting no,
you're not even gonna get to second base right then.
So that's fucking three bets, bro, I'm still second and third,
almost still second? Oh no, or i'mma still second, No
you're not, or I'm gonna get caught at third. It's
a lot of bets. And he was just fucking bro,

(01:08:12):
and then I hope he'll be on third base, Bro,
and then fucking he was still third, and then not
there third basement money because I fool like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
That's crazy, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
But Ty Cobb, as far as baseball goes like that,
if you and he was one of the biggest, one
of the earlier times. And then it was honest Wagner
who his baseball card came out, Like you ain't gonna
believe this, but the first baseball card that came out
was then fucking tobacco cigarettes. Yes, yes, Wagoner, but you

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were if you were lucky to get when I'm honest, Wagoner,
you got it from the It was in the back
of the fucking cigarettes, right because they were using it
to advertise they were And that was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
The thing was that that's how you got baseball cards. Uh,
that's how baseball cards involved with bubble gum in.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
How we're gonna get kids to start smoking. Yes, dude,
okay man, they are.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
That's actually yeah, that's the card right there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Yeah, man, Wow, you want to you know you mad
comedians that lie right? Oh yeah, bullshit? Oh yeah, people
think that about me. I'm talking about you, but especially you.
But you never you never come on and say something
like this. Okay. Well, I was hanging out with when
He's comic one time and they told me that their
Homeboys comic. He said that he was going through his

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basement under the basement with house he found an honest Wagner.
No way, bro and no way. If I was there
when he said that, I would look at him and say,
and you're eating cheeseburger right now?

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Why exactly? I wonder how much? How much is it is?
One of the as an honest Wagner?

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
It was probably worth one hundred and seventy eight thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Oh, you don't need to do comedy anymore with one
hundred and seventy eight thousand dollars, like, actually, you should
still do comedy, but don't go to work.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
That's the most expensive baseball card out there, is it? Really? Shit?

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Wow? Yeah I read that too. That's the thing is
there's so much.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Oh shit worth more than that seven point twenty five million.
Then that comic is Yeah, then you don't need to
do comedy. Anymore. That comic is where they fall, where
they found in Monerary Park. Fuck, Bro, does the owner

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living monary park? I'll go pick it up right now.
Who's your roommates dog? It's a way off ship, bro,
Yeah dude, what the more? That's the most expensive baseball card?
Uh yeah, wow, well it's some it's Frank Thomas. Frank

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Thomas air card. How much is that word? They should
be worth? That should be worth one hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Junk wax era, while the standard nineteen ninety tops Frank
Thomas Rooky card is not exceptionally valuable. The ERA version
created due to printing era. Oh dope, I love when
this happens. One hundred and seventy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Because his his, his and seventy dollars. That's not much.
His baseball card is worth that much because it says
Barren instead of fucking White Sox. That they printed it
was with minor league team instead of the woh look
it up, take the picture of it. There it is.

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That's that one worth twenty one thousand? That an ERA one? No,
oh my god, yeah, that's the error. That's an area.
Yeah yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Thomas isn't even someone I've ever really heard of.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Really, bro, he's studying. He's studying a viagra now on television.
What is he really? It's a creepy one, bro, because
they're starting like this viagra for men, but they don't
call it biagra. And then like when I got goes whatever,
right was Priank Thomas? That guy with his wife and
then he looks at the guy. She'll like it. What

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the phoe? I know exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
They're golfing or something? Right, Yes, how do you know, Frank? Yes,
I know this fucking commercial.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
She'll like it? Like, how do you know? Bro?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
That's exactly my phone when I watched.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
The whole time. But at the end of the commercial,
that guy druggling, your going, hey, bitch, you're telling me
you have to error Carr. You didn't tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
I look at that picture, brow, Look at this fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
He's all big looking down at their little lady, going.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Know that white girl's Frank with your bigra dude, go
back to working out. Stop looking at me like that.
That is hilarious. I don't know who this guy is
a baseball player. I only know him from this commercial.
And as soon as you started talking about it, I
was yes, because I've seen this in the middle of
the night. Highest fucking Who the fucking if I was

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golfing with this guy, stop and go, how the fuck
do you know what my fucking wife is gonna like?

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
I want to he that's the time when you got
to will Smith your wife. Yeah exactly. That's not mean, Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
You better keep my fucking wife's name out of your
motherfucking mouth. Frank Thomas, don't be using bagger around my
white lady.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Bro. Look up this this team or third is a
baseball league. It's called the Sons of David baseball team.
And they're all Jewish people with real long hair. Oh wow, okay,
and they play it's probably looking at him, Bro. Oh yeah,
they're all Jewish.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
These guys look like metal heads.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
They're all Jewish, Bro, House of David.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Bro, those are not fucking Jewish guys. Those are hippies.
The Jewish David baseball team.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Yeah yeah, but back then, Bro, a lot of people didn't.
A lot of Jewish players would hide the jewishness in
their in their names that they will go instead of
the the name was Kromberg. They'll be like, hohen right,
But it wasn'tntil Hank Greenberg. He was the first openly

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Jewish guy. But then Sandy Kolfax came out. But yeah,
did you say quiet? Yeah it was. That's because Matt Fold.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Right there, he straight up looks like Matt ful show.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Look at comedian, Bro, Matt fold truck.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Look up Matt fol schroan real quick f U L
C H E R O N. The full fucking charge. Baby,
there it is Greenberg. Brow go to Hank Greenberg.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Now, yeah, good old Matt full show on the full charge. Baby.
I love that guy. It is charge. I can't wait
to send this dude.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
I love that dude. We go he takes ape, takes one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
To it with that sometimes, you know, Bro, I always
compare Bro taking one for the It's could be our
it could be our clip, Bro for the one you cut.
Always compared going out to the club when you're good looking,
like a baseball game, Bro, because you're good looking and
you're like the you're like a good looking guy, Bro,

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and then you go out there with your homeboard. Who's
not good looking? Who's the catcher, who's the backcatcher. He's
like the drummer, he's a backcatcher, Bro. And the main
the picture, the opening picture, Bro, he's gonna get the chick.
And and then sometimes Bro, your homeboy. Bro, he tells you, hey, bro,

(01:15:46):
liret a chick for me. Ask her friends the picture
gonna be like And he goes over there to talk
to the other team. Hey man, my friend was there.
He's a good backcatcher. You're fucked that ugly as fuck.
That's when it now, that's when it turns into a

(01:16:07):
real game, bro, a real baseball game. Because as soon
as as soon as they said that guy's too ugly,
you're not. You're no longer the picture, no more. Bro,
Your homeboy is the picture now and you're the head coach,
and right now is basely loaded with three runs came
in already and all these if the fucking four runs

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come in, we're gonna lose. So you're going to You're
going to your ugly for end, bro, And you gotta
take this foo out of the game. Time to pull
the time to pull them. Because when that girls tell

(01:16:50):
you tells you, tells you that your first ugly he said,
you're looking know where at the picture going? He just
loaded another batter. You're gonna this man, you know, bro
to night now You're night looks like you're the driver
now you now you're night.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
We're gonna have to take you all, bro, and you're
gonna have to hold my jacket. We're gonna say, like,
because when when you take a picture out, you send
them out of the game or you send them back
to the little to the minor leagues. Right, so this
guy's not gonna get laid. So you're gonna be like this, bro.
They said, Bro, we're all gonna go to the motel

(01:17:32):
and funk. Bro, We're gonna send you back to Denny's.
You're gonna be over there. Bro's gonna work your magic
against these waitresses. You're gonna work to mariachi. Mariachi because

(01:17:55):
you've been there, right yeah, yeah, because you been there
when you're when you you hooked up with a lady
and you got your homie. No, no, I'm more the
catcher in this time. Yeah, they're gonna take you out
the game. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
But I've been with women and I've had friends.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Be like, yo, what's up, and I'm like the days
Now you're night.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Hey Bro, I'm just gonna tell you right now, you
probably gonna have to drive home alone.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
It's not the first time Lisa hooked up. Bro. I
looked at George. I don't know how long it's gonna be, Bro,
but you might wait in your car outside ye spend
that night. Bro in his car are hot? No way
hot in his boatswagon. I would leave. I'd just be like,
call me when you're done.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Dog at the best. But if you're getting laid, you
can take the bus tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
A woman, I don't think. I don't see a woman
can't wait like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
They start honking.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
No way, your homegirls are gonna wait for you, Bro,
No way.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
You're three kids to pick up. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
That is the difference, dude. I've had that, Harbur. I
actually had to take a friend to the airport and
we were supposed to come back and pass out of
my place, and I was like, actually, I'm gonna go
get late to night and the airport's hilla far so
if you could just sleep in my car wait for.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Me, And he did. He totally did.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
I mean he needed to ride, and he wasn't fucking
happy about it. But there's no way a homegirl's gonna
do that, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
That's the difference. Did you ever play in any any
games that were similar to baseball? When you didn't have
enough people. Because when I grow when I was a kid,
like my friends who I mentioned, we'll play. We'll play
a game called over the line, which I think could
be rounders, because it was sometimes the when it was

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three against three, it was it was like this baseball
field right here except right field will be out. All
the right field and this side. Every fall ball is
an out. You hit a fall ball, you're out. You
hit it to right field, you're out. So the game
was over the line. And if the if the guy,

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if you roll it to the guy that pitches, if
you hit it, the other team will pitch you a
regular ball for you to hit. If you ground it
to the to the pitcher, you're out. If you ground
it to one of the fielders, you're out. And there's
no running, by the way, there's no running this yeah.
And if the left fielder catches your bar in the air,
you're out. You hit it over his head, it's a

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home run and lands in front of him, it's a
doub it's a it's a base hit. It passes him,
it's a double. The ball goes over between both of them,
nobody catches it. That's a triple.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
I think I remember playing something like that kid. We
called it, and maybe I'm wrong, but we called it
three up, three down, which was like you get up,
and it was really just you get up and then
you get pitched to until you get three outs in
one way or another like that, sort of like I
think I can't remember. I used to play a lot
of pickup because I loved baseball. I don't watch a

(01:20:57):
lot of baseball now because the Giants fucking charged too
much for winning, and it's it's impossible here. I'm gonna
just go over real quick. Why I don't watch I
loved baseball. It's not I could watch baseball all day.
I could sit at the park. It's one of my
favorite TV.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
On TV. Not so much, but I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Watch a good I'll got you a good series bro
on TV. But I stopped watching baseball because the Giants,
who never fucking won ever. I cried during the fucking
Anaheim the Angels loss during that World Series. I literally
shut down my store. I was a hat world working
as a manager, shut it down and cried. Next years, no,

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I wanted the Giants to win. We lost, and then
two years later we won the World Series, and it
was like fuck yes. It was one of the best
days I ever went to the parade, had a great time.
That was when Wilson was doing the fucking machine character,
and shit, it was, fucking dude, a good year for
the Giants. All of a sudden, my bleacher seats went
from like thirty five bucks to like sixty bucks, and

(01:22:01):
I was like, all right, that's cool. Then a year
after that we do okay. Year after that we win
the series again, parking goes up eighty bucks, dude, eighty bucks,
just bro And then and then the bleachers are even more,
and then it just I was like, what the fuck
am I paying for to Why am I paying for this?
Like I fucking sat here and watched these guys choke

(01:22:24):
year after fucking year, and then now I'm being overcharged.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
For being a loyal fan.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
I still and that was the thing. I didn't go
to another team. I didn't fair Weather planned it. Like
I do love the A's and I just love the
A's because they took care of poor people for a
very long time. I got to meet Satchel Paige because
they would have these parties for underprivileged youth. My mom
would take her center. Kisser's always had respect for the
A's and my son's a big fan of the A's,

(01:22:50):
but I felt that I couldn't just go to another team.
So I watched baseball lovingly, but I don't think I
have an allegiance to it anymore because of that, Like,
it just pissed me the fuck off. So, Raiders fans,
I hope you guys are still getting cheap tickets. I
hope you're still having a good time. But the many
of you guys start winning, just know you're gonna fucking

(01:23:13):
get fucked out of your fucking out of your fanhood.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Lowbro, The tickets are expensive Las Vegas. Bro. It's not
like when they were at the Color Them in Oakland. Broo. Yeah, well,
the Good Old Day brought you get into a you
get into a Raider game with a San Francisco for
nine ers ticket, Stoll.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Bro Really, yeah, see, what's the point, what's the This
is the thing is why you know why I think.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
The Ring the Raiders were doing so bad in Oakland. Bro.
They were letting you in with Tommy t tickets. They
would actually name one Oakland Rapper you get into.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
They were having an open mic at the beginning of
the game, yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
That's the thing though.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
But that's why I never hated on the Raiders so much, dude,
because I was like, there's a team that's someone could
go and watch, because I remember how cheap it was.
I used to go watch the Raiders play, even though
I wasn't a fan, and because it was cheaper, And
that was one of the reasons why I never went
to Niners games and I never became a big Niners
fan because I can't go and sit down and watch

(01:24:15):
the game. And that's the problem, bro, is like, once
you want to go and sit down and watch, that's
fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
This team, this team loses too much for you guys
to be paying that much money for these tickets.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Dude, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
I don't mean to be insulting the Raiders fans, Go
get yours, bro, But if your team's not winning and
you're paying that fucking much for dude, I don't know. Man, Again,
don't I'm not like saying, go be a fan of
another team. I can't do that. I cheered for the
Giants too many years in a row, spent too many
tears and a lot of an ingestion from the hot Dogs.

(01:24:50):
But dude, that it makes me so sad that this
is like, this is how this happens, dude, is that
your team starts to win and then all of a sudden,
the only other thing, Dude, I'm on one right now.
I'm sorry our our stadium. We built a new stadium. Remember,
we used to have Candlestick Park, which is a big
cement fucking pit kind of like, and that's why I
ended up liking going to A's games because it was

(01:25:12):
just a big cement building.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
The foggiest baseball stadium. Man. Looking up Candlestick Park was like,
I remember watching a Dodger game there one time, Bro
on TV, and a pirate ship came in. It was
a raider.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
It was cold in the in the winter and it
was Hotum yeah, yeah, look at it. That's that's baseball
in the wintertime. If you're watching the Giants play, you go.
And that's the other thing that made me mad, Bro,
is that I slugged it out in this fucking stadium
as a kid for years, and then we moved to
what was pack Bell Park or whatever fucking park they

(01:25:51):
want to call it. Whoever was giving them the most money,
and it's a mall and I would go with my friends, bro,
who I didn't really realize, like, didn't watch baseball as
long as I did as a kid. And the whole
thing now is because the game's too long for everybody
to sit and watch and it's boring. They get up
and they fucking walk around and they go eat fucking
all kinds of food. There's stores in there, there's a

(01:26:12):
whole restaurant, there's bars, and this is great, dude, this
is great for the money that's going into the team,
I guess. But it's like, dude, nobody's watching the fucking game. Nobody, Bro,
nobody's watching the fucking game. Dude, watch the goddamn game.
Like I get so mad if I went to baseball. Now,
go by myself, bro, because I don't want to fucking

(01:26:34):
walk around with you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
You know the Dodgers owner now, Mark Walter, he the
CEO Googleenheimer Partners. Okay, I'm gonna. I'm putting a lot
of money to to reinvest Dodger Stadium and make it
more like, you know, more entertaining. No. And also Mark
Walter he's also he's done. He has a lot of

(01:26:57):
money invested in private prisons. Yes, yeah, he's gonna he's
gonna build a private prison under Dodger Stadium. That would
be great. So when Dodger fans get arrested or deported,
they could at least hear the game, Bro, the ice
app the ice ap Bro. So when when when when
you're buying Dodger tickets, Bro, Yeah, they could. You could

(01:27:19):
also find out you're legally here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
You can report your friends, you can put your friends.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Bro. I don't see the left pavilion no more, Bro,
left field pavilion, right field pavilion. They don't have they
don't have security. They're Ice agents.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
So this is what I'm wondering, what's happening right now.
But let me just go back to Dodger State because
I've never been there, and I'm assuming because I keep
hearing people saying they need to rebuild it or evamp it.
There's not a lot of amenities other than to watch baseball,
eat some food, and then maybe a couple of bars.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Right, is that is that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Let me just tell you, Dodgers fans right now, embrace
these days that you are the fans, the hardcore fans.
Embrace these days that you're at this park, and as
much as you complain about it and wanting it new
when it build. When they if they rebuild it and
it becomes a fucking mall with a stadium in it,
which is what they're doing now, you're gonna have all
these transplants that moved here become fans as well, and

(01:28:17):
they're gonna just fucking clog up your fucking stadium.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
So good luck with the rebuild.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
That's what happened to the Giants fans. In my mind,
I've never heard Giants fans complain about this other than me,
so I could be an outlier in this one. I
feel like I am, but I do feel like bro,
Like I go to watch the fucking game, dude. I
don't get bored with baseball like you could scroll on
your phone, which is dumb if you get bored, but
fucking chew. Some seeds enjoy the game. You're out in

(01:28:45):
the fu There's nothing better than a summer day in
the fucking sun, smelling that fresh cut grass, hearing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
That fucking crack of a ball. Fucking I missed that
so much, dude. I love that, loved that about baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
It's America, dude, It's America, and it's the most confusing history.
Ever by the way, you got like I had to
like there's like four fucking first black players in the MLB.
There's uh, there's like again, we went over the who
invented it? Which I don't think anybody invented it. But
I love baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
I love it. I love it too. Bro. I don't
really go no more because I don't have time, right,
but I used to, like, you know, little well you
worked at Dodger State. YEA brought throughout the first pitch
look it up and yes, that's right. Very proud of you.
I'll send you a photo, bro, of of the Raiders
logo now, Bro, because it's so expensive, like you said, Bro, like, yeah,

(01:29:42):
what the game?

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
That's crazy. It's crazy to me, Dude. That's the thing
is like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Didn't know that it is, Bro. It's p there it is, Bro.
Look at a new logo.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Yes you can't boot your drinking. Enjoy that bullshit, dude, enjoy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Cogan passed away. Bro. We have a we have a
fly from his memorial. Oh god, let me see this, dude.
It's with a given that his memorial. Bro, rest in peace, Marjorie.
Thank you, brother, Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
I'm sorry I used to be a big hul coaking man.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
But after all that I was I never thought about that.
But when it was a headband, he does like Brother Teresa,
he did, Brother Teresa.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
This is a perfect picture, dude. This is such a
good God thank God for a I dude, look at
go back to the picture that really quick. Look where
is how long is this fucking dude's wrist?

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
Go down to where his hand is, little hand, this
is his arm?

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Like where his arm is and where his hand is
and whole hoging huge by the way. A yeah, A,
but it's great. I love it, dude. I love what
you can do with AI. I'm sorry to people that
hate AI. I've been having so much fucking fun with
AI lately. You just type in you give me this
picture of this, and it'll give it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Have you ever played the other baseball game where two
guys are are opposite of each other and one guy
tries to get to the other side with a baseball,
and it's called pickle Yeah, yeah, pickleball. Pickleball?

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
But which is what I thought, because now they go
they have a gang thing called pickle.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Have you ever played the other game called three flies out?
When you have all your homies out there and you're
hitting the ball in the air and they gotta fight
to catch it. Yes, here I am bro. The first
pitch going for the knuckleball. Watch you did you practice
at all the day before? Bro? But I didn't know
to look at that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Nice pitch, actually, Bro? Oh yeah, nice fucking I swear
to god, Bro, I've watched so many fucking first pitches
and they don't even.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Make it over the plate. Okay, Bro high to everybody with.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
That knuckleball and then the leg up and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Bro, bounce, Oh did it bounce? Yeah? They make it nice?
All right? Show show's first pitchy b A b A
b o e y that one. But I don't know
who was Who the fuck was he throwing that?

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
This is why I go, Dude, does anybody fucking practice
except for that one nun who fucking threw a perfect
pitch Harry Delabat from the Howard Stern Show. By the way,
we're big Howard Spring fans over here.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
So flunk, Bro, look at that flunky show fifty stands
the worst one, really, yeah, Bro, Flunky that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
If you can't type in the nun pitching, she throws
a great fucking pitch.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
This one is up there with boy. Bro, this one
of her watch fifty stands no no, no quit.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Whatever you're doing in real life, you should have hit
so bad type in the nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Yeah that is bad. Huh so bad? Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Oh my god, he hits that guy there, the camera
guy wasn't even expecting and he hits him and then
he laughs. Dude, because he's got lots of money. The
dope the none real quick for me.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
I love this lady, dude. I just want you to
see this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Lady could throwing none, throws first pitch and you'll ride away.
It's gotta pop up because you look at this lady. Bro,
look at this fucking lady. This is your first pitch
right here. Bam, there you go, dude, all done, no pressure, bro,
love it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
You know we're gonna meet a priest eats on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
What kind of beat, dude, I'll go with this none.
I love that joke, dude. That's a shout out to fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
I was watching now Good Morning Vietnam, Great Robert Williams, Yeah,
great movies, and his supervisor he was talking about his
ripes because you know, he wasn't following order, so he
was trying to give him a command, and he goes,
you know what three up and three down is? And

(01:34:28):
Robert Willows says, the end of an inning?

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Fuck, yeah, dude, that's fucking great.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Dude, that's great. I have that lieutenant or captain.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
That's so funny, dude, it's a I think it's a
master sergeant.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Yeah, three up, three yea, three up down? Because private,
do you know what three up and three down means?
The end of an inning?

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
That's fucking great, dude, correct me if I'm wrong. Guys,
I think that's a master sergeant though, but yeah, that's hilarious.
And that's a high rank to fucking because what was
I wonder what his rank was. I think it was
like a sergeant or something in.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Bro, my cousin, My cousin loves baseball, Nancy, and she
she she taught me. She told me about this team
that plays they called the Banana look them up Bananas.
Oh yeah, and the big right now do backflips and
all that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
They're like the Carlem Globetrotters of baseball, except the white.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
Yeah. They do like crazy stuff like the yeah there
they go. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Yeah, they do all kinds of stuff, dude, and they
play a lot of So this is what minus the antics,
this is what baseball was like back in the day,
was random teams that would play. Because this is what
the bananas do is I think they just go around
and play a bunch of like local groups that are
really good in their leagues. I don't know, I could
be wrong, but they do play somebody. But that's kind

(01:35:47):
of how it was back in the day. And I
it's so funny how good these guys are too.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Hell yeah, bro, great jobs for fools. We're talking bass ball. Yeah.
One of my favorite and also back in the day,
was of course the Ben's Gully. Yes, it's time.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
He showed at the very beginning of the Golden Air
of baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
It's time for Dongeon basebaw three up and three now
that who throw personal stuff about you in your body
now banning Fernando Valenzuela, Fernando and Sella grew up dirt poor.
And there was another guy. My favorite guy was from

(01:36:36):
the guy from It's every weekend. He will have that show.
He will show the best place mail Allen and that's
this weekend baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
I remember that. I used to watch twin all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Yeah, bro put up? Did you play his voice mail Allen?

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Yes, dude, I love This Weekend Baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
It was one of my male Allen and that that
was one of the weekend base That was one of
the best.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Yes, dude, there's a great show, great fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Audio him that we could play with boys, and that
was This Weekend Baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Do you want to know about the first black players?

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
The first black player? What? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Because I wanted to share this before we wrap up
because again, well I'll tell you people are going to
be like, why did we not talk about the negro leagues?
But I think I think we need to do another episode.
But I'm going to say, who is the first black
player in the MLB?

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Like right up?

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
If you don't, if you if you know for sure,
Felipe act like you're a normal person, who would just
say the normal thing? Who was the first person to
play Major League Baseball black person?

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
Robson?

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
No, not Jackie Robinson. It was actually and that's the
thing is ja Jackie Robinson was the return And what
people mostly don't know is that before the negro leagues
that black people were playing in baseball, and it was
before it was it was it was a major league.
They were mostly playing and then all of a sudden

(01:38:08):
something happened called the Gentlemen's Agreement, where they were like,
we're not gonna let black people in. But there are
a few people that that are that are I think
one of them might be on that list. Nope, none
of them are on that list. And this is again
according to the historian of Major League Baseball. There are
four people I want to like talk about real quick,
and the first one is William Edward White in eighteen

(01:38:30):
seventy nine against the Cleveland against the Cleveland Reds I
can't remember Red Sox, red Stockings. And then he was
a student from Brown and he played for He was
his his dad was. He was the son of a
slave master and a slave, so he mostly like he
was a very light skinned person and he played for

(01:38:54):
Brown University was really good and he got to asked
to play for one game and he uh. And this
is like a deep buried in history for a while,
so we didn't know about this guy for a long time.
He scored one run, he rounded the bases.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
A few times. He didn't do that great.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
But there's but there's one other one that no one
really talks about. And it's Moses Fleetwood Walker.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
Both fleetwood Walk Yeah, and please look him up.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
Eighteen eighty one played for the Toledo Blue Stockings, which
is hilarious. All these guys were there, the White Sox
and Red Sox, they were all Stockings because it was
manlier back then to call your team the Stockings. So anyway,
Frank Grant, okay, no, okay, So yeah, this is Stockings
versus the Chicago White Sox. So he goes to play
the he goes like he's been playing, he's pretty prominent,

(01:39:41):
he's a great player. Chicago White Sox go to play him,
and and and and in fact, he was supposed to
be benched for the for that that game because he
was recovering from playing all week before. And the White
Sox manager goes, listen, if you guys put that in
word up, we're not gonna play you guys. So the
coach goes, that's exactly what I'm gonna do, and he

(01:40:02):
plays them, and reluctantly, the White Sox end up playing
the team. And then that's kind of what sparks the
gentlemen's agreement that they have, because there's one team that
is all black that decides they want to play as well,
and they submit, and the MLB is like, sorry, let's
just call this a gentleman's agreements. Why they called the

(01:40:24):
general's agreement. Rescind your request, we do so it doesn't
look like you got denied. And let's just you guys,
go ahead and do your own thing and we'll do
our own thing. And then that's kind of how the
Negro League sprung. And you know, and at the time,
the MLB didn't want no fucking issue with having to
deal with black players because they knew it was kind

(01:40:45):
of already a hot button issue, and so they just
let the negro Yeah, they didn't go after the negro leagues.
They didn't pursue them. They didn't say you can't do
what we're doing, and you know, and that was the
but that was the end that caused the of the
negro leagues in a way, which in a good way
was but also wasn't was because they and again, negro

(01:41:06):
leagues is the term. I know we're not supposed to
use that term anymore, but that's the term for this
this thing. But the people were like, these games are
so fucking good. There's one guy named what's his name, Robinson,
not Jackie Robinson. I'm sorry, Gibbs, Josh Gibson, Josh Gibson.
That guy hit a home run out of Yankee Stadium.

(01:41:27):
So that's the thing is people go people talk about
Babe Ruth. First of all, Yankee Stadium was built left
handedly for Baby Ruth to hit home runs on. It's
one thing nobody fucking knows. Babe Ruth was a big
sack of shit compared to this guy. In fact, Baby
Ruth is a big sack of shit. But Josh Gibson
was like astoundingly better and and was like, uh, there's

(01:41:49):
a guy that was like, I could tell you Jackie
Robinson was one of the best players. But this is
a guy who runs the Negro Leagues.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Museum.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Hey, And he was saying that there was a guy
that that was a coach and said that that that
Gibson was the best player over Satchel Page, over everybody
that ever played the game. In his mind, Gibson was
the best player that ever played in baseball. And even
though he's well known, he's not well known enough.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
The reason Josh Gibson is not that famous is because
it was so hard for anybody that was not white
to be in the in the major leagues because they
had it was still still controlled by Pilgrims by the way.
You know, people want America to be pere and clean
and white. So a lot of the baseball players in

(01:42:43):
America they were They all had regular jobs, you know
at first, you know, the ones that didn't get make
a lot of money, and like Butch said, they have
to be clean and they couldn't curse. So Josh Gibson
was none of that. So in order for a black
player to make it back then they have to write
a narrative about him. While you know, Jackie Robinson he fought,

(01:43:04):
he was he's a veteran and Jackie Robinson he went
to college and he played for U c. L A.
So they have all they build him up like he
has to come from a big, a great clean background.
Also to just to be a baseball player, not only
do you have to be the baseball best baseball player
and in the eyes of a white man, you gotta

(01:43:24):
be the most purest abiding person ever and went to college.
They came from two good parents who didn't drink, who
didn't chase after white women, and Josh Kimpson. Well none
of that. That fool was like modern day like like
money money Mayweather, I got that partied and fucked up

(01:43:48):
home runs.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Yeah, he didn't need to do much except just fucking
smack him out of the park.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
And he would not have educated as Jackie Robinson.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
So that's the other thing is Jackie Robinson. When they
chose jack Robinson and this is the same guy that
you could.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Groom Jackie Robinson, but Josh Gibbon.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
So this is the thing that this this I was
listening to this podcast where they interview the guy who's
in charge of the museum, and he was like, look,
Jackie Robinson was a great qualified baseball player, but he
wasn't the best guy to play baseball. And in fact,
I don't think Jackie Robinson knew what he was getting
into because if he knew, there was so much pressure,

(01:44:26):
you know, on him to succeed. And I'm not saying
any dude, Jackie Robinson is amazing for what he did
and everything, but they needed someone clean and educated, someone
that was gonna like really because like this is it's
a pr move. And then Gibson. Yeah, if they use
Josh Gibson.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
He would have been. He would have not you would
have been batting and people got in the N word.
He would have went out there to fight, right, Yes, exactly,
he would said.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Guy they needed wasn't Yeah, they needed someone, and good
because we did. Like, man, look at where we are now.
Baseball is amazing because of the different mixture of players.
Because let me just say this as well, they weren't
letting Hispanic players play either. There was one team that
played for a while and it was full of black
guys and they called it the They called them the

(01:45:15):
Cuban Giants. And the reason why they called them and
they and then and the coach taught them to speak
a little Spanish and he would make them talk loud
and chatter like Cubans might, so that they could seem
Cuban because it's the only people that white people respected
that were black.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Really, so that's the thing is that they would put
Cuban on the moniker. But then after a while, like
they were like, fuck no, not even the these Hispanic players,
you know. And and again, man, baseball has a lot
of great white players. Man, but baseball is great because
it has everybody in it. Look at that dude, Oh,

(01:45:54):
they had their own Negro team nice.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
The Cuban Yankees League. Also, there was a lot of
people that a lot of gangsters that whatever it is,
let there look.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
Your Cubans, dude, nice, Holy shit, Sam Mendes made market
and Negroes are real Cubans though those are all real cubes. Yeah,
I mean, and again, man, if we could, like I
was saying this to Uh because I was like, fuck,
bro kill me right now.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
There is so much.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
There's so much uh stuff to go over, and like
Felipe every once in a while hands me something and
I go, I don't even think to ask, Like this
is like, this is gonna be easier, It's gonna be
hard and and and the almost every time I go,
this is gonna be so fucking simple. I grew up
in a baseball household. My dad played baseball for years.

(01:46:47):
He was supposed to play in the minors, he got
drafted into, he got drafted into Vietnam. Baseball is a
big part of our lives, man. So I was like,
this is not going to be too hard because I
kind of know a little bit about baseball street every subject,
like the negotiations just to get these guys paid, you
know some of them, like I said earlier, couldn't even

(01:47:09):
be transferred.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Like if you were my guy and then I went
out of business, you're not relieved of your contract. I
could still sell you to somebody else or make you
not play baseball at all. And so there was what
they got paid where the money went. Because also they
were like, hey, you're getting paid a regular way. You're
getting paid more than Joe down the street just to
play baseball. You should be happy with you what you make.

(01:47:31):
Don't worry about what I make, you know, which is
what what you know, which is a big deal because
they make billions.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
Man, go ahead, Ty Cobb. He was the first baseball
player to get it a big endorsement, Ty Cobb.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
He was.

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
He got endorsed by Cooga Cola No ship, yeah, bro,
and they make money. Yeah. And they was like back then, Bro,
the big there was a black player and legally that
was bigger than him, like Josh Gibson.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
Right, And people loved that was the thing too. It's
like I didn't realize how popular the negro leagues were
with all races and all people, like people would go
to these.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
So they gave him the they gave him. He was
a spokesman for the Cola look at the good Face bro.
He and his song was when he would go up
on bad they'll play that song.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
No really really the Andy Griffith show.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
No, no, no, I'm sorry not that when the Harlem
Glove chartter song his song first, and then he said,
well they give the N word my song. Yeah, but
look up ty cow gets mad that the Harlem Grove
tutters use his song, yeah, because they were all the way. Yeah,
so ty Cob bro. He was with Cocoa Cola from
day one, right, and during the end of his career

(01:48:48):
he's telling all his baseball buddies, all of them, the
investing coke were moving to Cans. Oh, moving to cans.
Nobody everybody that he was like a dumb a dumb
that's a dumb Southern guy, right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
It's an sec violation actually to like tell people.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
You're telling you you're like telling your friends who never
made money in baseball, put your money in coke, go go. Yeah.
So he put on tight couples of money and coke
and then when they go into cans he's living good
for the rest of his life. Yeah, he is. And
he helped a lot of his baseball buddy who didn't

(01:49:28):
have money for to live off. He would pay for
their insurance and all that. He helped a lot of players.
They ended up being a I saw a movie where
about ty Cobb and he was a prostitute and he
gives her like seventy bucks, but they never have sex.
Just duck. He just tired by the Ty Cobb was

(01:49:48):
the best.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
That's what I was supposed to do, not have sex
with him and just walk away.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
For a fool baseball? Is this something that we might
get back to later on if you have should we'll
just do a one time We'll just do a history
of one Negro league geek. I would love that as well,
because you know made at the museum in Pittsburgh. Yes,
we should go, and yeah, you know when when we
go to Pittsburgh, if we go to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
H.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
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