EP 81 - The Messy History of Executions - History for Foos

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Speaker 1 (00:44):
History for Food.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Welcome to History for Fools, the best history class on
a Sunday. Grab your coffee, Grab your vibrator, sit on it,
grab your tea. My friend Glenn Carlin, if you're listening,
shout out to Ireland Up. We lived in Dublin by
the sea.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Hey, what are.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
The artists over there? We were trying to go visit
him but didn't make it out. Also shout out to
Ramone Johanna people who started listening to our podcast. You
know who you are, the big guy I met in Naples, Florida.
I think I made fun of you and your lady off.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
The comedy club was so much fun, dude, and everybody
that came out was so nice. I think it was
the place that I've been to with you where the
most people who walked up and were like, I love
your podcast. So that I think that means the podcast
is growing. But I appreciate everybody who came up and
came out and was and said nice things. Man. It

(01:44):
keeps it keeps us going. Definitely keeps me going whenever
i'm you know, like, that's the thing is I think
about those things when I'm like sitting there reading all
these books and I'm kind of like, man, I want
to go play video games, and I'm like, nah, dude,
I wanna. I think about people that come up to

(02:06):
me and say, like this particular subject, I didn't I
didn't get to read any books because there's not a
lot of books on this. There's diaries. There's several diaries
that were written. What you got going over there?

Speaker 2 (02:22):
A little art kit got me at least, I got
got me a little art thing, bro, look are you?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
So I put all the oils right here, right, and
then I make the match right here, and then that
painting right there, and I got a little wristband to
wipe the brush.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I put it on like fucking like a like a yeah. Ross.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
So I put water in these, right. I put water
in these, and they are a little brushes, different sizes.
Then I put the oil in the little squares and
I dip and then I brush it right here and
I paint right there. Their water.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
They put the water in here at the top and
then they just continuously flow water and you just use
it as that is water color water colors. Oh man,
that's fucking great, dude. I love that.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
So got me a little pen.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I wish that we had these when we were kids.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
We got me a little pencil to to draw right here,
a little tiny little easel. Shout out to Zone.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
That we got a little. We got a little we
got a little mini zone right here.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Somebody shut up to that homie bro from from chick Lits.
He gave me me up last time. Shout out to him, man,
chick Lits Man, the best three roads in the land, Master.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Something Bro, because he makes these hash holes.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
You know who's hooked on those wrizzle.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I am too labor, Oh really, I am too because
like and I save them when I go do when
I go do the uh we don't smoke the same podcast.
I get one for being there, which is I love
that and I take it home and one time, you know,
because there's this when you buy these, there's a video

(04:15):
that e Zone makes on how to smoke them, because
there's the right way to smoke them once because me
and you couldn't figure it out.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Those people who smoke who puff? Who went hell too hard? Right?

Speaker 1 (04:25):
You gotta you gotta puff a little because this is
the thing is. Me and my girl went to Santa
Barbara for vacation and we smoked it as soon as
we got into our hotel room. We got it set
out in the parking lot, watched the sunset, puffed on
that daddy for at least half of it. And the
next day woke up and I'm like, you want to
puff again? And she goes, Dude, I'm still fucking high

(04:46):
from last night. Then the next day she was like,
I'm still high from the other day. We spoke. Those
are the watercolors, but they look like oils. Yeah, yeah, okay,
they do look like little little, uh little oils. Yeah.
That thing sucked her up for like three days straight. Dude,

(05:08):
I'll puff on that thing. I was thinking I have
one right now, and I'm like, should I save it
for a special occasion or should I just puff it
slowly every night before I go to bed.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Also shout out to that dude that Naples who brought
his father Bruce Oh Yeah, to be on my friend
on snapshot. His handle was start coming, I let you.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
What does that mean? Oh wow, that's.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Vulgar and he lives in the Everglade of Florida. Also
shout out to that guy from I Mochalley and all
my friends in lee Hyde.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah and Dennis Waters Tennis Waters shout dude.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
The song guy who thinks he wants to be a comedian,
have a lot of fat in the me. He's a
nice guy, hey man. He said his idea is to
go out in Austin and try it out.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Good idea. Oh, he hasn't done comedy yet ever, but.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
He don't want He don't want to do it in
Florida because he don't want to be known as remember
that food. That comedy was not funny. Good idea. I
guess the best time to do stand up comedy right now.
It's like, right now is go alone. I know you
know you want to bring in a homies. That's actually
you don't want to feel sorry for You're on the

(06:33):
way home. You suck, dude. You know what, don't put
your friends in a bad position like that. Man. Bringing
your friends to your first comedy show is like borrowing
money from them after they already.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Told you you know you're not going to pay.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Me, turning about five hundred dollars to tell you know,
then you try to bout seven hundred dollars is dead.
That's all. It feels like man, desperateness, ugly feeling, and
you don't want that ugly feeling to be transformed into
another friend.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
And it's so true.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Go alone, bro, don't It's like dolease stand up comedy
for the first time, and like doing an arm robbery
for the first time. You're gonna have to do yourself. Bro,
he can't be bringing in other people who get involved
and they die too.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Being alone in comedy is a very big deal because
I think it's important, Like that's you're right. If I
could give advice to anybody that's starting comedy, do not
fucking invite your friends to the first six to seven
years of you doing comedy. And then because if if
I didn't have any of my friends come around right now,
my friends would be showing up to shows right now

(07:41):
where I'm doing good And so I fucking I would
say that first of all, and yeah, you're kind of spending. Yeah,
you're spending your You're taking their time that they're not
gonna give to you anymore because you suck. Because they
don't want to tell you you suck. They're gonna go
in there and they're gonna go, boy, he really sucks. Huh.
And then his your friend's wife is gonna be like yeah,
but don't don't mean to be.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Niceagin, Bro, you're at the you're like working at the office,
like the show the office. You want to do what said?
You invite to the warehouse chipping and receiving. You invited
a lunch lady, then you fucking bomb bro. Every time
they're hundering together, laughing. But you know they're not laughing
at one of your jokes, right, you know what, you

(08:26):
know what you wish they were laughing at you, but
they're not.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
They're not.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
They're laughing at how stupid their jokes and unfunny world.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
It was.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
They were laughing about how you're just funny by the
water water, sparkling water.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Bro, Not even that anymore now you ruin that.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Those foods that are funny. You know you're funny around
your little group, you know, your little five audience. Those
are your fans. Don't try to get more fans.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
I wanna whenever someone walks up to me, and you
gotta be nice to everybody and I and then that's
not even justeople that come to your show. My personal
philosophy is to be nice to every human being you
come in contact with. But when someone walks up to
me and says, you know, I'm the comedian in the group.
I make everybody laugh back at home. I want to

(09:13):
stab myself in the eye with a fucking spoon because
I'm about to hear this person tell me that they
should do comedy.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
You know, everybody that worship tells me that I should
be a comedian. Yes, yeah, Bro, I'm gonna tell you
right now. Have you ever entertained these people when they're
not holding plates, when they're serving? Have you ever entertaining
people where they're not loading cable and shit? For this podcast?

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Right?

Speaker 2 (09:44):
You know you were been funny outside of fucking washing dishes,
because they just tell me too, they're washing dishes, Bro,
making everybody lifelip. You should be a comedian, But I
was a burgess. I already am for three years.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah. I don't tell people even in this day sometimes dude,
like I don't you'll be the comedium yeah, because then
all of a sudden you're the nickname. Yeah, I say,
I work in the entertainment business. A lot of times
we're not just having a personal conversation. I mean, it
hurts sound It fucking hurts to get to bomb Bro.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Being bombing Bro and like being in a fucking loop
like those time travel loop and every time you come back,
there's a new guy having sex, whether your wife she
holds yourself's hat, and they're all waving at you happy
like it's okay, that's state, it's okay, that it's okay,

(10:50):
We're gonna be fine.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Oh my god, bro, Yah, that's what.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
It feels and it's playing over and over. There's this
or it feels like you're getting slapped in front of
your parents then your friends. You gotta go back to
your friends and play baseball like it ain't happen. But
they all saw you getting slap and they asked, do
you want to play? And you're like, yeah, h it hurts, yes,

(11:16):
that's why I know that I don't want to take.
Then the person that sees you bomb, they know you.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Bomb, they know you you both know you bomb. Or
the worst is that I didn't know when I first
started out that I was bombing, and then when I
go back and look at because I would always have
a friend hold my camera at their table while I
was on stage at the improv, and I could hear
their fake laughter. I could hear the push laughter in
the room of all my friends and I like, like,

(11:44):
sometimes you will go do you ever look at old
like old tames when you first started? No, No, there's
no need for that, dude, there's no need to hear
that puts me in such a shamehole that I Bro.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, you people who will who who's constantly bomb? Bro,
But they don't know they bomb no matter what. They
don't feel what we feel right now, they don't feel
hurd that they bomb, you know. And I just realized
that right now. Those people are cycle paths. Psychopaths are
cycle paths. Only a psycho path to go out there

(12:22):
and murder his murder people and then have a normal
dinner with his well his daughter sits in his lap
and eating ice cream, Bro, and watching granimals.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Bro. This is a cycle path. And I'm glad you're
a depiction of these people, because I'm.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Glad those people do stand up still and not murdering
people out there. Instead they're murdering people's hearts and stand
up comedy.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Do you know how I just just blew my mind
right now, Like.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
These people are like are we saw them? We witnessed this, Bro.
Our podcast engineer that the show he saw it too.
He's a friend to talk to us now about them.
If you go tech everybody, if you go to the
in a Cycle Path.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
If you go to the open mic on Tuesdays at
the Improv at five point fifteen pm, I encourage you
all to go because it is a fiasco of psychopaths.
It's like half psychopaths and half good comics.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I never thought about that, but that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
I never thought about that either. But what's crazy right now,
why why you blew my mind, is because this room
is filled to the brim with open micers. Like the
Comedy Store has an open mic, but it's got regular
people that go to watch it for some reason. The
Improv on a Tuesday is almost and it's bro I'm talking.

(13:48):
It's a packed house filled with comedians, and that seats
to eighty nine to eighty nine, two ninety something like that.
I would say, order of those people in that room
are good comedians and the rest are open micers who
say the most heinous things in bomb and don't even

(14:09):
think about it. And I just realized that those are
all psychopaths. I'm going there because this is the day
that we filmed today. I'm going there tonight and I'm
gonna walk. Bro, the world just got so much larger
with psycho paths.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
There's so many more, and they're an entertainment business. Because
I'm just.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Thinking right now, I thought they were here and there.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Now think about they tell about one of those psychopath
comedian walks up to me and thinks about, you think
I should quit. I'm gonna say, hell no, no, hell no,
I never know.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Bro. Now to think about it, Bro.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I have more empathy for them because I I know
they're they okay, they're gonna bomb and we saw a
train wreck. They don't know it, but they don't they
didn't see it. But now I know that the person's
a psychopath and this is what he needs.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
This well we know needs to go. So we know
people mutually from the Bay Area and people that you've
introduced me to, people with rabbis that have stayed in
this business and should not have stayed in this business
as long as they have. There's people from the day
that I started that I first met that did a
show with me and you I'm not gonna name names,

(15:29):
that spent many many moons doing the same thing over
and over and over again. It's like, what are you
still doing? Here, Bro.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Bro, when those people are those people are? They're at
album separate hill concerts, bro holding their first album?

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, just can you show up the whole concert?

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yes, dude, Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Why are you look down trying to make sure he
sees it?

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Everybody's already sorry, he's still holding it. I hope it's
like I feel bad.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad one. I
kind of am because you're in comedy for everybody else.
Because there's a lot of people who go, Dude, I
don't know how many times I swear to God a
night that we go out with him or without. When
I'm just doing my own shows, someone will come up
to me. It's almost nightly someone comes up and says,
this was my first show. I had a good time,
thank you. What scares me about that is that how

(16:24):
many others are out there is having first nights going
to these shows. You ever see a flyer that looks
dope and it's a bunch of like really bad comedians,
And I'm like, don't please don't go to this for
the flyer, Please please don't go to this for the flyer, Like,
this can't be your first show, because if you go
and you go, this is what the fuck comedy is.

(16:47):
So I get mad at that part, but I get
worried because you need to start a job with a
pension right now, because whatever this is, it's not working
for you. Maybe you could be a carpenter or a
candle maker, maybe the best sockmaker in the fucking world.
But right here, bro, this is just a hobby for
you and it's not gonna go any further than that.

(17:07):
And there's people who are, like I see them to
this day, bro, that are like, I'm not even like
I'm a you know, I'm doing this name on the
road with you. I'm in Hollywood and I still might
have to fucking die in a county hospice because I
didn't make it. But then there's people who are like,
you're not at all, like, dude, why yourself? So do

(17:30):
this to yourself. But you ask those people, you go,
how'd you do tonight? They'll be like, fucking murdered, bro,
And I'm like, no, you didn't, And you can't say
that because I've tried that being honest. For I'm like,
hey man, I don't know if you noticed, but nobody
was really laughing. And then now I'm an asshole or
you're a jerk, and it's like I and again. But
you have no business telling people what to do either

(17:52):
in that way. You know, right, you know a.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Lot of friends here you quit, you no more friends?

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah right, yes, that's the thing I.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Would tell people like I see like she quick group,
it's a group to be You're you're a part of
a community here at a standum comic.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Right, Just just have different goals.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Just figure your goal should be, I'm going to be
the funniest the funniest twenty minutes in City of Commerce.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Right, you don't have a goal, you know, don't don't.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Maybe you're you go, you go fucking going on tour
like Kevin Harte was a my.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Goal, No, no, never, honestly.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
My goal to pay fourteen hundred dollars a week.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, that's and that's it.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I did it when I worked the when I worked
the Oregon Bro Portland.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Oh needed the what was that theater called MCNs.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
O bro the stand up? It was that comedy club?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Oh is that helim?

Speaker 4 (18:53):
No?

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Before that whoa Harvey's.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Harvey's That's where you had that club?

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Gave me fourteen hundred dollars that's the.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Club where you have to get recommended by somebody.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I was lucky, bro. Shout out to Andres Fernandas.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
So just so people know, you have to get recommended
by a pro to do this, to do this, to
do this club. And if you fuck up, the pro
doesn't get welcomed back either. Hell yeah, no only do
you not get welcomed back, but whoever recommended you not
coming back either. And so it's a very so in
order for someone to recommend you, they have to be

(19:27):
solid that you're going to be solid.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah. Man also shout out to Andres Fernandez. He owns
the Ventura Harbor Comedy Club. He was also owns a
couple of restaurants there. Man, I fool no bro. He
was born with two restaurants and when he was born,
to get him two restaurants to run.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
No way, Yeah he was born. He was fucking yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Man was he was like a little run of tweet
baby bro cookie.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
So they gave him a little pad and a pencil
and they're like, go take orders.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah. I met him in nineteen ninety six. Okay, he
was he was doing stand up comedy and he had
a tent. He had a development deal for a stand
up comedy or when did you start standing up stand
up comedy? Bro? My first time was like when in
the nineties ninety four.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Oh shit, that's a year before I graduated opened MIC?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Then I quit, Bro, But do you really quit? If
nobody know who you are? That's how bad I was
doing That's how great I was doing it. When I quit,
nobody noticed.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
How long did you stay? Quit?

Speaker 2 (20:29):
A year and a half. I came back in ninety six.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
So you only did it one time and then left?

Speaker 2 (20:33):
And when ninety four, ninety four Bro opened MIC at
the at the Natural Budge, I met Jamie Kenny. There
there a love for the soda alongs of boating.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Holy fuck, Bro.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
And those fole already been doing it four years.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Right, But they weren't famous at all either. They were started.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Those guys started in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
In piece Freddy Sodo, by the way, he would have
been a fucking well he's a legend.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
But yeah, man, how many letters and the word shaken?
I had like no, how no, how do you say
when you first start off? I had no goals. I
had no I just want to I just want to
write jokes and go up on stage every day, so
I was going up like six days a week day.
At that time, He's following these guys to open mic.

(21:16):
I'll put my name, and motherfucker wouldn't put me up, bro,
when if I punched him off pocket dog right, I'll
be the first person who write my name at seven.
And I didn't realize that that she don't mean nothing
because there was foods that were there signing all their
homies names right, yeah for the open mic, Yes man,
I remember that guy that ran that room. He had

(21:38):
a we were in the same sketch together with Gene
Pompa and I'll put the kick that food out of
the fucking I was like, security, can you kick this
guy on of my out of my out of my
out of my audience. So the whole week, Bro, I
was pushing pushing them slow, pushing them slow slow, but
they of the show. Bro. I that motherfuck so hard, bro,

(22:02):
like it looks so real. You know some other dudes
show mother fool you were like a writer and that
for his shipped now and you and he wasn't shipped then,
but he ran that room, bro, And then I will
go up early. He will put me up till late
or something that. So, Bro just waiting for I waited

(22:24):
for the scene, bro, and then I grabbed them, good Bro.
I was practicing how to grab fools, and I grabbed them.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Good bro.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Grandmother waisting about and the fucking back and the back
of his shirt. Yeah, and then I took three steps
before he took any steps, so by that time he
was already falling.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Back to keep moving out of steps with the whole
bouncer move.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
So then by that time, Bro, if you if you're
three steps holding somebody, I don't care how big they are,
there your puppet by that because it's it's like it's
balanced now.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Because they're trying to get their wrestling move it's all balanced,
especially if you're larger.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, I'm at the I'm way larger, So I'm at
the I'm at the level, bro, And I just threw
that full hard bro hard Bro. Everybody laughed, they clapped.
I fo the three students. They gotta hear it in the.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Back the fuck yeah holy ship. Yeah man, did you
you you were banned from that after that?

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I take it, no, Bro, part of the show.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
That was part of the show.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, I'm going to kick that full out, so ill
there was practice that was gentle.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
A little bit of like physical comedy there.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, because because because I was like PHILIPPI get him
out of my show. So then I get him out
of my show. And finally the day of the show
was all packed HBO works.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
You guys pulled it off and threw him.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Out of the audience, brought hard as buck, fucking bashed him. Bro,
he found the ground. Everybody was laughing.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Bro, Yeah, what what place was this?

Speaker 2 (23:55):
It's called the HBO Workspace. It's on Melros and Jim
Pumpa busted out through these shows. It was called the
The Late Late Late Show with Jim Bumpa. Some people
have a one hour show, they give that full fifteen,
so that full Bro, it was a talk show here
that woo. Go up there bro and do like like
I show, say yeah, you guys doing the man. And

(24:16):
I walked into my co host and then I was
that guy and then I love it. Then then he goes.
Then he goes, you know when I'm getting tired of
your ship, man, You're not fucking funny, man, You're fucking
been holding your fucking ass. Security get him out of here.
Then the security right there, he goes you know what, security,

(24:38):
don't get him out of here, do some robot so
that fucking bumpo security, just do a robot bro the
whole time, way just doing ro.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Like did this get like start to like people?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
You just doing bomp right this right? So they fucking Philippe,
you go get myself manager. You can't him out of here.
So I'm we're in a half phone. Go get him
out of here. Then then I had my own life
two days and I added my own line for the show,
this piece of ship. So yeah, I get him out
of here. So I kicked him out and then I goes,
you know, sit down, So I sit down, and ladies

(25:11):
and gentlemen, you are ready for the pump Delicious. And
the Pumpolations were his sketch group. And then they were
just clear, we will clear everything out. And then there
was a sketch. It was Charlie's. It was called Charte
Jeans Angels, and there was these three checks. They were
like Charlie's Angels, and Charlie was giving him assignments. So

(25:33):
we would do a bunch of sketches and then we
had a then we have we had a we had
a whole a guest on the show. Who was who?
She was a real she was a friend of Jean
Pampa and she was she helped her mother and all
her grand young She helped her grandmother and all her

(25:53):
relatives escaped North Korea. Whoa, Yeah, she wrote a book about.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Wait a minute, that the girl that was on Joe
Rogan and with Rice something like that. I think so maybe.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
And there was another community. Yeah, she's been around anyways.
We did three of them and they were you bump
on every time he did there, Every time he did there,
he did the show there, all people from HBO will
come watch it and it was like a showcase show.
And they never paied that up, but we we still
did it though.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
That's fucking dope for ninety six.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
That's how That's how I got my first TV credit
because in ninety Jeans saw me probably and performed in
ninety four ninety five, and then like he told Pat
Buckles and Jeff Valdez to book me on that TV
show in ninety six.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Holy fuck, we go way back. I knew when it
was little Bear. So you got your first TV credit
within a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, I was lucky, broke to see I got in
when I was in the comedy boom ended already and
five years before I started done, and deaf Cham blew
up immediately after that. That was like the comedy black boom,
and then death Cham was never burned out to this day.
You know, Urban Humor is the hottest still still out there,

(27:17):
though it never burned out. There's hasn't been no no,
never been cold. The white comedy boom died out, but
then they got replaced by the white podcast comedy boom,
but which is huge. But but that means that that
means that right now, the white comedy boom, White comedy

(27:41):
podcast boom is that and it just reached its plateau.
They had presidents on their podcast, you know, they had
Donald Trump on their podcast, Joe Rogan, but that that
thing is dying now. Bro there, They're like it's falling
apart because they started off with Mark Maren as the
big podcaster when he was on he used to be

(28:04):
on American Radio with Rachel Maddow and the guy from
Public Enemy back in the day. But then they started
it broke out to be a podcast and that's kind
of like it reaches plateau. It can't get any bigger.
Than it is right now. So the next wave is
gonna be us the Latino podcast boom, which is like

(28:25):
Bertie in his infancy, right.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
And that's the thing is that I was explaining this.
I went to the The Louise Spotlight yesterday and I
was talking to one of the homies there that we
all talked to, and he wants to get into creating,
you know stuff because he writes too painty homie, and
he also wants to do golf stuff. But he was

(28:48):
explaining the golf how golf has gotten big on Instagram.
It's huge, and I was like, the next thing that's
gonna happen then, because it gets so big. Once the
world gets so big, it starts to break off. Like
it was probably just golfers. Now it's going to be
Latino golfers, black golfers, young golfers, you know. And that's
the thing is that this fear has gotten so big
that it is just going to break off. And then

(29:10):
there's gonna and that and that I think it's already
happening and and uh, and that's what's so great about
it is that that will be the next move and
then a lot of our power, I think a lot
of our you know, we're I think we're part of
a movement here of people that are helping each other out,
you know what I mean. This is an entertainment podcast,
but I hope people get enough knowledge to get some perspective.

(29:33):
I don't know, man, hearing all this history that are reading,
all this history that we go through makes me think
about life differently. Like I could say this podcast and
what I've learned has actually changed the way that I
think about things, changed, like how I live my life. Like,
I think that that having that knowledge is powerful, man.

(29:54):
And so I hope that there's a lot of our
Latino brothers.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, man, I hate that. They like when Mark Marin
says about the woke crowd, you're so afraid of the
woke crowd. I hate that. I like when Bill Burr
says that white people ambush words to make them mean
somewhere else. Remember a lot of people don't know this
because they're too young to remember this. There was a

(30:17):
thing called affirmative action, and the reason affurnim of action
was started was because you would have an Oakland fire Department,
for example, Oakland Fire Department predominantly black community, right, but
a lot of Latinos, a lot of Latinos, a lot

(30:39):
of blacks, a lot of Chinese were applying to be
a fireman, right, and they were qualified, like hontly. They
were actually qualified because they would go through like harder
regimen to get to the fireman department. Yes, but they
would always tell them no. So one day, you know,

(31:01):
a different administration comes in and it tells a listen, man,
you can't be hired all your white motherfuckers, and you
gotta start hiring people of color. And because they were
hiring less qualified white people to do the fireman jobs,
so they'll be they'll be like this, there'll be a
guy right here, black guy. There'll be a black African

(31:24):
American right here who went to fire school at real
Hondo Community College, Pico Rivera, went through fire school, can
lift two hundred pounds of weight, maybe three hundred, right,
And then there's this white guy who's not as qualified

(31:44):
as this black guy. But this black guy is dark
man like scrunch of dark. Right, so they will say, nah,
they want to hire him, so they will hire the
white guy who not qualified. So after a while, man
it became it became discriminated, started calling them that's discrimination. Man,

(32:07):
you're discriminating against qualified people of color to be a fireman.
So so finally they said, they say, you know what,
you got to hire a black guy or hire somebody.
So now here's this dark guy again, man, the most
qualified guy, right, but nah, man, they went for Chris

(32:31):
Reid from Kidding play Why because the lighter skin. But
he's less qualified, right, he's less qualified. They put in
that light skin and black guy in there, right, and
he's doing a bad job. So now that bad hire
became what they call now DEI higher because they said, well,

(32:54):
they forced us to hire up all a person of color.
Yes they did, but you went out and hire the
least qualified one because the other one would just do
dark for you, and that's your fault. But that's also
and also man, and it goes on and on.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I mean, it's that what we talked about last week
on the baseball episode or the week before where they
chose and again, you know, love Jackie Robinson, great ballplayer,
but there was a better ballplayer who was not educated,
who didn't give a fuck about white people's kid what
white people cared about, gambled and drank and fucked white

(33:35):
women and had a great time, but he wasn't presentable
to white audiences, so they chose Jackie Robinson. The other
guy I'm talking about is Josh Gibson, who was a
much better player and who will a lot of people
consider one of the greatest baseball players ever to play
the game period. So like, that's the thing, man, is
that they still in the light of all we're gonna

(33:56):
do everybody a favor here. We're gonna choose these Mexican guys,
you know what I mean. But let's go for the
guy that's doesn't look like he's fucking out there picking
fucking fruit, and go for the guy that looks good
in a suit, just like when you know the guy
picking fruit is more qualified.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Don't want to tell you, bro, Like on television in
the news, right, great example if you're young, if you're listening,
great example of this. Hey man, you guys got the
hiring Latina reporters.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Oh god, Bro, I.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Guess what, bro, The lightest one is on television. Yeah,
and the darkest one is out there reporting brought the fires.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
In the wind with a fucking stop sign blowing behind
him and.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Ship dude, remember, brother, Like I could they would be
like and then like, Bro, when I started hiring Latinos.
That's why I'm always likes. I'm always like, what's happy
when I would see Latino reporters back in the eighties,
because the news person will mispronounce their name and then

(35:05):
when they when they when they will say their name,
they will say it with their accent, all proud, yes,
reporting from CBS noon, Ramon.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Shoe leta e gives me again.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
I still get a goosebump, Bro, because people say that
you don't represent Bro, you just gonna fine with the represent.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
And he would like he'd be all so today we
are standing here with the voters, blah blah blah, waiting
for the end of the day and back to you, uh,
back to you, Sam, this is Rego. I would die, Bro, Yeah,
Bro would die. We had that guy. My mom would

(35:51):
do that. My mom would do that. My mom tried.
My mom had a little bit of an accent, but
she would try to wipen it up around white people.
But when she'd talk about like Ramone, she would be like, so, yeah,
the other day I was hanging out with Ramon.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Because they didn't want to they didn't want to be
like Girodo Rivera yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
You can't do that either, though, Yeah you can't.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
If you would have been in the West coast head out,
it would have been Herado Rivetta or Gerardo Rivers.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yes, this is Gerald Rivers reporting live. I feel like
haroldo Vero, if he had thought about it would have
been Gerald Rivers. But yeah, if he was more Hispanic.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
How about the people were afraid to be Latino bro
back in the day, or afraid to be now? Like
their name is Garcia? What's your name? My name is
Jeff Garcia.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yes, we have I have one of those.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Oh, my last name is Roboliz Robos.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I have a missus Ghames that we went to school with,
and I'm all, that's Gomez, it's Combs, it's Jewish, I'm Gomes.
But she did look like a white lady for sure,
so I didn't I wasn't sure. It could have been
a Spaniard thing. But histor for fools.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Don't let them Max, don't let them excuse execution your name,
assassinate your name. You know the we're talking about executions
right now, and we're gonna talk about the biggest execution
of all time. People never call it an execution because
they give it a big name because they want to
symbolize what he was killed on. But it was an

(37:22):
execution people, and that execution was Jesus age Christ, Jesus.
That was that was the most an execution. People call
it a crucification execution.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
That's the style of execution.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Jesus Christ was executed for breaking every law known to man.
He was first law he broke was walking on water.
How dare you put your shoes on?

Speaker 1 (37:51):
You got your dirty feet in my water. Get the
fuck out of here, Jesus.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Change your water into wine making people and not getting
not paying a taxi for the wine.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
That's my fuck, kid, Jesus, do you know my kids
just drank your fucking so called blood, bringing back a
perverb back to life. The son of a bitch dud,
He right, my kid.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
But the biggest sin, the biggest sin that he was doing,
the biggest thing that Jesus Christ was doing in those
days was forgiving people, for giving people like people would
tell him his sins and then he will pray on
them and forgive them. And when I read about it,
that sin is as big as handing out a fake

(38:35):
us sious ship. Yes, like as probably as just as bad, like, no,
these people are illegal. And then this big old, long
haired guy shows up and goes, no, they're not. I
just made him citizens of the United States. Yeah, because
the rabbi were saying, these people are all sinners. They

(38:57):
haven't even they haven't given us a lamb for their forgiveness.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
I am the lamb. He sacrificed himself.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Because se Jesus Christ is a sacrificial lamb, the lamb
of the world. Because before Jesus Christ showed up, a
lot of Jewish people were if you like, if you
were a guy that rob somebody off the land, you
could show up with seven sheep and say I'm sorry,

(39:27):
and they will say, all right, a seven sheep, We're
gonna sell them. And and then Jesus Christ said, no, man,
why is it that only rich people are allowed to
be forgiven, but poor PuO are not allowed. Jesus Christ said, no, man,
this is all wrong. Everyone should be forgiven. Everyone had

(39:49):
the right to be good. Again, why should you have
the right to be evil and evil? And then so
they started bringing sheep here and it's totally going against
them the law back then. So he went to trial. Man,
he went to trial and Jesus with a rebel.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
They said no, no, no, no, no, no no no, And then
they nailed them, bro, you know they nailed them. They
put us pierced through his foot to know the bottom
foot right, and then the wonder hand and then like
that dog. So what happens is that every time he

(40:31):
takes a breath, his body hangs even lower. So it's
like this, So you're like right, so every time, like
if you could just menage your breath and move back,
you can hold yourself. But your weight of your chest
is just bringing you down. And then you're you're you're

(40:55):
the support of your your foot, it's just bringing you
more down to the point where you're chest caves in
and you stuffocate on your own blood. And then yeah,
you stuffrecate on your own blood. I saw it on
what what what a crucification does?

Speaker 1 (41:12):
And then like.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
He's just like this hanging bro, Like just just think
about it, bro. You hold yourself at that and trying
to breathe right now, put your hands back just barely
at that and put your chest forward, and you're nailed, bro.
So every time you take a little breath, you're hearty,
you're just putting more weight down.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I think my first I was about there and I'm like, hey, man,
can you give me my hailor please?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
You know when he told Peter when he was up there,
I can see the house from here. So so he
do you remember who those two other guys that were.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
With him when was the thief? I know that you.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Remember their names?

Speaker 1 (41:55):
No?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
No, because the only remember the headliner.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Oh so was the other one was Gabby La.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
You were you know, you were the host. You were
kind of carried them back to the room.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
So one of them was Petro Gonzales. And one of them.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Before before Jesus went to trial, he was whipped with
a fucking rip with they had little beads on them,
bro little rods in them like knots.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Hit with the nine tails, it was.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
And then they got a thorn, krawn, a thorn. Somebody someone,
one of the Trojans said, the king, you know what,
he needs a crown, eh. So they got the thorns
around there from the pit and they made like a
crown and they shoved it really hard on his head
and that appears through his eyeballs. Yeah, but only that dude.

(43:00):
The fuck out of all the torture was these dudes
had to carry the cross themselves. So he's already tied
up to a cross, right, and he has to carry
it up. We don't know if it was like just
the one piece with arms, but he was carrying it
all the way up and then he was placed on it.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah, I don't think he probably only that's humiliation. Yeah,
it's humiliation. But you're also, bro, you're dragging this thing,
You're weak, your blood is dripping out of your body,
you're nailed to it, and you got to carry it,
you know, And there's.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
A good way to find your your friend, like maybe
for other criminals, like who gives them water? Who helps them?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Right? Yeah, that's the thing, dude, that's pretty that's a
pretty gnarly execution.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Talk to us about about Drakola, the Impaler guy and
what he did. Here's a cross too, right.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
You know, it's crazy, bro? Is that Actually he's got
a different style of doing things. And Vlod started out
pretty much an innocent guy, and he was a munist.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
To the Romans by the way, who nailed.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Huh people to the cross. Yeah, so Vladi Impaler started
out a pretty innocent guy and was I can't remember
something else. Yeah, it was something else Dracula, and then
it turned a Vlad and then he was a municipal
worker who was working actually as an executioner and he
kind of got fucked up from that ship. This is

(44:31):
the story that I read this morning, so just and
I could put the video in the quotes or whatever.
But then he started really loving it, and then he
became dude like, he became like like a ruler through
his brutality, and his favorite form of punishment was impaling

(44:52):
someone up the butt. So it would be like the
stick was probably about uh no, I was like taller
than that. Looked like Ray did look like our sound
guy Ray. But the it was like a huge stick
about i'd say about nine to ten feet tall, and

(45:14):
it was sharp on one end and it had kind
of like a little seat on the edge. And what
he would do is he would impale you through your buttthole.
That's him having breakfast watching a field of people suffering.
So that's that's kind of a raw depiction of it
because what I had heard, and this is the video
I saw this morning on the way in. And then
another thing that I had read in a book is

(45:36):
that he would you know what threading is when you
like go in and out of the skin, and he
would thread it all the way up your back and
it would stick out above your head, so your head
would be forward and the stick would be coming up
behind your head, and you would be sitting on this
little pedestal that's attached to the stick sort of. It
was not necessarily you sitting on. It was to stop

(45:57):
you from sliding all the way down so that he
could just keep hanging and you're dripping blood and you
would eventually die of either losing enough blood, which most
people didn't, or like some sort of like a serious
wound to your threbral cortex. He hated when they died
on the spot, when like something was pierced, like a

(46:20):
like a spinal column or something and then they were
just dead. He liked watching them suffer. They liked watching
them bleed. And I don't know if he really drank blood,
like I don't think I think that was like a
I didn't read anywhere that he was drinking their blood.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
But you know, people lie, bro Well.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
It could have been a story of him drinking the
blood of one of his enemies that turned into him
drinking blood all the time. From everybody you know. And
this is the thing, man is like we're talking about fifteenth,
sixteenth and seventeenth century.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Wo he had miles of people in pale huh my bro.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
So that was the thing is that first it was
his enemies, and then once he gained control of Transylvania
or whatever region he had, he then would do it
to the citizens who committed crimes.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Didn't they tell him?

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Also? Like and then the road to his home was
f was like just people were impaled.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Guy, fucking impaler. Didn't they talk? Didn't they talk to
this guy? Or I could be wrong and told him, dude,
we're wasting trees just for you just play this, yes, yes,
And they kept telling him, ud, we're gonna lose resources.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Well, that's why he became so famous because he he
mowed down a whole forest and in its place he
put up that right there.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Like a whole But they kept pretty much like that's
the that's a real depiction. They took a whole forest
out just to do this.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah. I mean it wasn't a huge forest, but it
was probably like they could be.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
He could have been making houses and and.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Again there's efficiencies not a thing. So it's like maybe
one or two poles come out of a tree. You know,
who knows. Again, Ah, before anybody starts laying down in
the comments with a fucking help full of shit, I
am and everything. I love those by the way, you
guys are genuinely my favorite taking for those ten bucks. Yeah,
let's make it a hundred this week. Yeah, dude, throw

(48:10):
it down. You're full of shit. Here's a hundred bucks.
But uh, this is sixteen seventeenth, fifteen sixteen seventeenth where
there's not a lot of good recording. There's not a
lot of good like uh information out there, you know,
because it's whoever either was like writing the history at
the time, was making their own narrative. You know, you

(48:31):
think news is fake, now go through fucking history books. Man,
it's fucking crazy. So there's stories that this guy had
forests that were completely wiped out. There's one that says
the neighboring force. There's one that says he didn't drink blood.
I didn't see him drinking blood anywhere. And to be
honest with you, but yeah, he dude, it's heinous because

(48:53):
like we sit here, we go, oh, look like we
look at that picture of those people doing that thinking
of the pain would be in And that's like one
hundred people sitting in front of this guy and he's
eating breakfast.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Well, these people, some of them were not all royalty, right.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
No, his first victims were like you know his enemies. Bro.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Funny you say that, bro, because I said it last week.
I said that joke. I said, man, you know what, man,
when I die, Man, I want a traditional Mayan wedding.
Man like like, take me back to the astic warriors
our funeral. I want to be buried with my dog,

(49:37):
my two side cheeks, my servants. They will do that, Bro.
When a guy would die, his daughter will kill the
dog to bury them with him, and they will kill
the servants. So when he goes to heaven, they will
be their race.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
They kill them, or they bury him alive.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
He will kill them bury him alive.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Dude, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
If you're that's their own that's its own torture.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
If I'm watching you die as your servant, I'm out
the back door, bro.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
But that that's the insentative of keeping me alive, so
you won't.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Die, right, Yeah? Are you in a poison me? Now? Yeah?
What if you are like what if you have a
stroke which was a thing back then, but no treatments
for it, and you're on your way out and you're
sitting there like half your fakes all fucked up, and
you're like, hey much, this is young for me. We're
going to heaven, brogh, and I'm your servant. I'm like,

(50:35):
all right, I'll be right back to go get your
milk and then I'll.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Be bad ass bro and b I'm dying. I love
to be like living like that. Twenty twenty five. I'm
dying and I'm looking at doctor and grandmather t shirt.
You know you're gonna take you with you, motherfucker right.
I got a coffee with your size already.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Ready. Here's your incentive to get me better.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
So you gotta keep both of us alive, right, And
I'm taking your dog to he's cute.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, that's that's what happened to those guys, dude. They
took the dogs too.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
How did that guy from the Gladiate, the guy.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
From Marcus Aurelius.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Marcus Aurelius, he was that was the name from Brave Heart.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Oh my god, William Wallace is the greatest.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
He's always thought this, like they hide the execution in
the movie Bro, So I let mean just you think
it's too hard Quarter to show it? Show it, Bro,
It's called history for full scrows hung.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
So William Wallace is the most famous person to have
the most famous brand of executions at the time, and
most of the executions we're going to be talking about
today are going to be We're talking about medieval Central Europe.
Uh and again the fifteenth, sixteenth, and seventeenth century, which
seems like a lot of time, you know, but it
you know, when you think about it, it's you condense it,

(51:58):
because three hundred years then is about thirty days now,
you know what I mean? Like because time things didn't
move is faster. There wasn't a lot of inventions, so
being hung was a big thing. But being drawn, hung
and quartered is what happened to William Wallace. And let's
first explain the drawn part.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Sound just the way you're sitting right now, Yeah, it
sounds like an invitation to a sex compade. You ready, baby,
I got quarters and I got hung.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
A model. Sorry, little Flippe is gonna be tortured today.
So being hung, drawn and quartered, Sorry about that means that,
first of all, they're gonna hang over there, They're gonna
hang you. Uh so this part is the disembowlment. I
believe that hook. Yeah. So they're gonna cut open his stomach.

(52:53):
He's already been he's already been drawn, meaning that he's
been dragged by horses to this place. And at some
point they had to drag them on like pieces of
plyboard because they would hit their head and die before
they were gutted. Like he's being gutted right now, and.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
He's gutt it from somebody scrolled him all the way up.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
No, no, no, he's being gutted from the sternum all
the way down to his cock and balls.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
He's torture right, yeah, yeah, he's out.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
His body part is Hollywood. Right.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
He would have been screaming now.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
He'd be screaming. First of all, you'd be done. You'd
be screaming in pain, and there'd be a fire next
to you and they're throwing your guts in the fire
and you're smelling the smoke of the guts. Now, I'm
going to point this out right now and I'll explain
it later. The hooded the hooded guy not a real thing.
That's a Hollywood thing. Because those guys that was their job.
There was no way of protecting it. They were outsiders

(53:44):
of society. They didn't weren't allowed to be like the executioners.
And the torture was the same guy. And what we're
watching is the person who wants him hurt, which is
the king or whatever that fucking guy is. But then
you have two guys. You have the executioner and you
have the executioner's assistant, and the executioner's assistant is holding

(54:05):
him down and handing the guy the tools. Well, he
cuts him open, he disembowels him, and you're alive because
they know which guts to pull. They know what's gonna
kill you, and what's not. What they're probably pulling on
right now is his tendons, his lower like you know,
by your balls, by your like, yeah, they're pulling that.
You're like, it feels like your guts, but it's not

(54:26):
your guts. If they pull your guts out, you're fucking
kind of dead. And that comes near the end. So
that's the thing is they leave him there like that,
laying there, and then he dies at some point right
and then because it's a slow, long death, they wait
for him to die and people are gonna come by. Yeah,
this is not true at all. William Wallace was not

(54:50):
able to get out. I don't think so. Bro. You
gotta tell me. Someone's ripping your guts out and the
first thing you think about is freedom.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Okay, So this is gonna be the quartered part, and
real life I wouldn't be chopping his head off, it
would be chopping.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
It down the middle.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
So he was.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Then he was quartered, and what they did after that
is they sent his quartered body to the different parts
of Scotland to let everybody know this is what this is. Faffo, baby,
fuck around and find out. You want to come out
here with your rebellious behavior, We're gonna fucking quarter you
like the dog that you are. And they wouldn't use
an axe. They wouldn't have used an axe. They would

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have used the sword that was made for Corday his head.
I think they cut his head off in this one,
but in real life they quarter him the other thing
they do. Yeah, they're cutting his head off, So they
didn't use Sometimes they used an axe in later in

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later years they used an axe, but they used to
have a sword that was can you look up? I
don't know if you could find a beheading sword, but
they had a sword that was made for beheading because
it needed to be heavy on the front part. So
a normal sword when you look at it, is skinny
in the middle and then heavy on the top, and
these swords didn't. They had. So the one down there
in the middle, Yeah, it has a blunt end. Yeah.

(56:09):
See that blunt end with that luver like end right there. Yeah,
So it was heavier at the base, so when it dropped,
it had to be a clean cut. Because a lot
of times, like in Germany or France, not in France,
I'm sorry Germany and other like European countries. France did
their own thing. But you got three strikes as a

(56:30):
as an executioner, and if you didn't hit your guy,
if you didn't kill him in three strikes, you were
going to be held for the death penalty. Next, if
the crowd didn't get up and just beat the fuck
out of you, you to death. Well, the crowd's bloodthirsty
and they just want to fight for shit.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
You know, and before baseball entertainment and nothing right, Well, people,
people will be starving to death. But the rather watch
some one kill and eat.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Well, the spectacle. Yeah, totally. That's what's fucked up about
all of this. No, I saw it.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
We talked about this, We said this, are we gonna
feed the people, No, we're gonna have a gladiator fight.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
You guys want sandwiches or glad here to fight glad here? Yeah, bro,
like they.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
People are the gamble they need.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Near the end, France had to do its thing in
the dead at night and then it's end point and
privatize it because it was just too much of it.
People were bloodthirsty and fucked people up. It made that
they noticed that there would be fights afterwards, there'd be
this pockets and well just people fucking each other up. Dude.
They'd go get drunk either they'd be pregaming. Go watch

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the fucking beheading.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
And that that that that fucking what you call it.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
That execution.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
It was just as bad as any other execution you watch.
There's like the Mayne executions, just as bad.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
The Mayan executions were bad, but those were like rituals.
Those are rituals, and so the first so the first
death penalty. I mean, we've probably been doing the death
penalty for for as long as humans have been alive.
It's like piracy. When we did piracy, one of the
things we learned is that piracy is as old as

(58:25):
as human beings. As long as we've been able to
float on water, we've been able to take away each
other's property and steal it and do our thing right.
So the but the first real like rules what the
first rules that were ever made? The first like kind
of and we've based our rules. A lot of our
rules off of this are the Code of Hamarabi, which
was like the first society of the u Phoenicians, and

(58:50):
it was like the first real society. He was a
conqueror who wasn't supposed to be a big deal, and
then he ended up having all this land, and so
he decided to come up with a doctrine to protect
property and stuff like that. So some of the things
that you were that the first death penalty was issued
for was theft of property, stealing from temples or the palace,

(59:11):
receiving stolen goods, stealing cattle or sheep, or kidnapping. False
accusation accusing someone of serious crime without proof. A judge
giving a false verdict was a law that could be
punishable by death. Awesome, uh, Sexual and family offenses like
you could be adulters incests and then also grape and
another man's wife or daughter can also get you the

(59:32):
death penalty. Neglect of military doodle duties, so there are
a lot of them are like the regular stuff, but
helping a slave escape, harboring in a fugitive slave, uh,
failure to properly build a house. Like he kind of
was the first person to punish people for code violations,
but instead of going to jail for using bat balsa wood,
you would be given the death penalty, so like and

(59:56):
and that was the thing, is that a lot of
his code was that base. But that was kind of
the first death penalties that were issued were those ones.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
As for me, bro what the god Jesus for it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
But then we get into the Middle Ages, and that's
where you're you know, you see the guy with the
fucking mask and the guillotine and the acts.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Hey, feeding someone to aligned with not an execution, It
was an exhibition that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
The that was it. That was like, that wasn't an execution.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
No, man, I was thinking like this too, this is
too expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
They used slaves to do that, And depending on the
emperor at the time, he would either have because I
did read about this way before when I was watching
Gladiator and I was interested in that. So this is
very long ago, but I believe that it was based
off of like he would get the best, strongest slaves
and then throw them in there to fight these lions

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for the entertainment. And they were fighting for their freedom.
And there were people at times where they were like,
all right, you committed a crime, you know, uh, now
go fight a line. If you win, you go for.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
But it was crazy, bro, that the Colosseum Gladiators all
that was all BC. Right, yeah, but these people had
strong enough boats to go to Africa and take a lion.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
They saw lions before the United twenty like five hundred
years before United States saw lion.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Right. Well that's the thing, bro, and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
China saw panthers way before, like they were taking like
like the because imagine, bro, remember just just throw it.
Just baffles me, Bro, how it didn't we didn't see
lions here to the nineteen hundred nineteenth century, right, And
these people saw lions in the thirteenth century. Well, because
it takes it took Barnam and Bailey and all the circuses.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Well, we were busy forging the greatest nation on fucking earth.
Everybody else is out there fucking around collecting lions and
making fight each other.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
But then we had a world, I mean right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
But that's the thing though, is that, yeah, these people
were well how was the thing, man, is that you're
talking about? You know? And even to this day, global
conquering is all about naval warfare. Like at the end
of the day, man, it's one thing to be able
to behold land and say this is my piece, don't
fucking come here. But like, for instance, I was watching

(01:02:20):
a documentary on the B fifty two the other day,
which is still like an airplane that's been around since
the fifties, and it drops nuclear weapons. And the thing
was is that for the longest time it could only
lead from a base and then have to come back.
But over the last few years we've been able because
of naval warfare, because we're able to get an aircraft

(01:02:40):
carry out into the middle of the ocean. We could
send a B fifty two anywhere in the world. A
B fifty two could actually fly around the world endlessly
without ever stopping if it wasn't for the crew having
to go to sleep and eat and get new things.
Because now we could just launch a plane off of
a boat, feel that motherfucker and then keep it going. So, like,

(01:03:01):
naval warfare is important when we're talking about all of
this stuff because like the fact that they're conquering and
taking new lands. You know, these guys are out there, yeah,
collecting lions. They were. There's proof or there's evidence that
they were in the America's long before Columbus came, because
there's drawings of bears that look like American bears and

(01:03:24):
so it's like, well, there's Russian bears, but you know,
and that's the thing is that but there's like depictions
of grizzly bears where I don't think those existed in Russia. Yeah,
pretty much. Black bear, Yeah, and that's an interesting thing
as well, you know. But yeah, those were not forms

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of execution.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Hanging.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
They did use elephants though, before we get to hanging. Yes,
in Indonesia, your crime would be whatever it was, and
then you'd lay your head on this huge piece of
cement and then they'd make the elephants stand on your
head and then or if.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
It crime was washing your heads.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Depending on the the depending on the listedness of the crime,
you could just played out and then they would step
on your legs, first your hands, then your your body,
which leads me to the next thing. I mean, you

(01:04:27):
want to talk about how we can talk about hanging.
Hanging was so like the most basically you know this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
One thing they don't talk about hanging is that your
guts fall off. But they never showing the movies. Who's
in charge of cleaning that up? Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Uh, That's the thing I looked up next was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
The thecution guts fall off that wallace, guts, gut all that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Who cleaned that up? Who ate it? It's so there's
two different types of hangings. First of all, there's hangings
that make you break your neck. Yeah, and then it
opens up underneath you and you drop and your body
comes down so hard that it dislodges your neck and
the time No, but what it'll do is you'll evacuate

(01:05:14):
your bowels, You'll evacuate every part of your body. And
if it is your guts do come down into your
bowls and you can shoot out your guts. And what
you're talking about is when they slice slowly and this
is bro, this is where it's canus. They slice a
thin line over your stomach.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Before they hang you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Before they hang you, not enough to cut your your
your your flesh all the way open, but just enough
to give it looks like you would need stitches on
it all the way across. The fat is exposed, it's
coming out. And then when you when they drop you,
they drop you hard enough to not break your neck.
Your bowls just come popping out of your stomach. Uh,

(01:05:54):
there's a I think it's in Red Dragon where he
hangs that guy and his bowels come out of his stomach.
And then you're more dead from the disembowlment of the
gravity of things. But then there's another way of hanging
where they would just put a rope on you, right,
and you'd be on them. They'd put a rope around
your neck, and then they'd slowly lift you off the
ground and then you would choke. You would just kick

(01:06:16):
and choke to death. And those were the three different
ways of hanging someone you know and so like. But
who cleaned that up is the question depending on the time.
So in America, when we were hanging people and there
was a mess, we would have either prisoners, our local
people do it for a certain amount of pay. If

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it was the medieval times, the only people who were
getting hung were royalty, and it was usually the executioner
that had to clean it up or the executioner's assistant
who was going to be the next executioner. When we
talk about this guy too, this medieval executioner, again we
see the guy with the mask. That guy rarely wore

(01:06:57):
a mask. The reason why that's a story is because
there's a guy, sorry, let me grab my notes here,
named Hans Franz Schmidt, and he's one of the only
guys that kind of recorded his He was he was
deemed an executioner, and how he became an executioner was
his dad was an executioner, and how his dad became
an executioner He was a woodsman. There's different stories, but

(01:07:20):
this seems to be the most common. He was a
woodman walking by the executioner and there was nobody to
execute this guy. And he had already been in trouble
for some other for poaching because he was a hunter.
So the king goes, you, sir, you must execute this man.
And he did it so well that it became his job,

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and so his son, Franz later on has this becomes
a job. His son's fran Schmidt becomes an executioner. Now,
the reason why they might and again this I support
this theory. The theory that they didn't wear a mask
is because people knew who they were. One. You weren't
allowed to go to church, you weren't allowed to be

(01:08:04):
around to be around with other people. You weren't around,
you weren't allowed to be around other people, You were
not allowed to eat with other people. You lived outside
the village. Your kids had to go hang out with
other executioners' kids because well, nobody wanted to be around you.
You killed people, you know, and back then that was

(01:08:25):
the sin of sins, like they made a doctrine to help.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah, Jad Media was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Born probably fifteen seventy two. So the reason why the
hood is a thing is because the dad was ostracized
from haun Schmidt and then he started to wear a mask.
But it didn't last long. And that's the thing. And
so it just looks fucking rad. But I don't think
because it was families, like everybody knew you. The only
reason why you would wear a hood is either to
look fucking badass while you were murdering people.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
The way I go recognize that motherfucker without a hood.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Aht right, but they knew who you were.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
You're the only fat motherfucker in town. I know that
nipple you're eating good? Why because you're an excusioner.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
So some of his other jobs, though, bro were to
to torture people. So Franz wrote that Franz Schmid killed
three hundred and sixty one people in his time as
an executioner. He was also a doctor at the time,
which is weird. A lot of these guys were doctors
because they would help people because they knew the body

(01:09:31):
so well. Because they tortured people as well. They would
boil people. There was a boiling method where they would
just heat up hot oil or water and just fucking
dangle you over it and then cut the wall ope
and then you would just fall into the water and
you would boil to death. But my favorite method that
I got to read was the breaking wheel, where they

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took this huge wagon wheel and then played you across
it and then with a big wooden mallet. They it's
called the Catherine wheel. If you want to look it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Up them you see the next thing. He's like a
face of death.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Yes, I did see that. I have seen that I
saw the one out and I saw the iist ones.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I saw the one that was that that Russian guy
that was quardered for owing like stixty dollars in Texas
in Russia. Yes, they got him on a horse and
rove them apart.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
That's crazy, bro, that's quartering.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
And then I would like just paid it for him,
right and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
He would lived. That's that's so fucking heinous one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
That's the one. Look that one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
So this is the breaking wheel, and this is one
version of it. Uh, And they would But the other
way is display you across like crucifix style. There's probably
pictures of that too. But they would hit you with
a mallet and they would break your bones. And then
so that the point, yes, so that they would break
your bones with the mallet, and then so like they

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you could be because so they could roll you. And
then they roll you and then you're just rolling around
on this thing, screaming your head off because every bone
in your body's broken, and the wheels just turning and
turning and turning. And so they called that the They
call that the Catherine wheel because sing they put Saint
Catherine on it. It. For I have no clue Protestants.

(01:11:21):
But it was like Joan of Arc. Joana of Arc
was an execution as well, which was the punishment for
heresy at the time, burned at the stake, and that
was pretty pretty. But the one that I think is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
She makes a great fire.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Where the fucking mainest one is is the where is
it the garrotted? The garrotted, their garrotter or the garrott
and I care, I don't know how to the garat Okay,
here it is the garrot And this came from Spain,
but the Philippines. And if you could look up the
garrot g A R A t. This came from the

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Philippines or via the Spaniards. And this was you sit
in a chair that had a huge pole behind you,
and in that pole, right behind your head, right behind
the base of your head, was a peg. And behind
that pig was a twisty wheel thing. And the more
you twisted it, the more the peg pushed against your
head and and and it would push if it if

(01:12:19):
it did it right, it would push into your your
spinal column and and explode the h little wire that
runs so I can't remember the name of it, but
the garrotted was there it is there. It is on
the right there it is Look at that fucking bro
that is so person the top, the one that you

(01:12:40):
have right above us, right there, ray the right one,
the one where the guy's twisting that. Yes, that is
exactly what. That's a that's a garrot and it would
just twist and it had a metal thing around that
guy's neck. Right there's a metal thing around his neck
and then it pushes slowly this peg into the back
of his head till either his head just popped off.

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Click on that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
But they were saying, visit fascinating this picture of a
man who was about to be.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
A far right, far right all the way. Oh yeah,
click on that one. There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
I want to I want to know why Whould executed.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
The garage is an execution device that is documented to
have been used in the first century BC. Rom This
torture method is found its way into modern history. The
condemned would sit in the metal clap wrapped around his
neck before the executioner turned the screw that would theoretically
burst his brain stem. That's why I killing him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Other guys being torture in India by British under the
British rule.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Huh right, yeah, something like that. This could be also like, uh,
don't know what he did Haitian Islands, Bro. I wonder
what this guy did. Bro. Might have stole some tea
bags or something. But that one's a real heinous and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Should one about will they open that guy's gut and
it put it two rats in there and they saw them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Yes, So that one was the most famous method that
I found. That was like, because I looked up, like,
what's the most heinous way people were executed? And that
one was. That one was for adultery and heresy and
theft and and and murder. And what they would do
is they put a bowl or a little cage, but

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it was usually a bowl over your stomach, and under
that bowl was like three or four rats. And the
rats might have been just nibbly on your stomach a
little bit. No, you know you're gonna get bit. Oh, well,
who gives a fuck, You're fucking good about to die.
Because what they do is they put hot coals on
that bowl. Over time, the coals get so hot that
the rats get the fuck out of there, and the

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only way out is that little soft tissue beneath them
where they start to rip through your stomach and then
they eat their way out your side of your body
and you slowly die from rats digging through your body
or are you don't die and you gotta live through
that until you do die. And it's fucking it's so
that one's so fucking heinous, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Oh the one bro where they fucking just bury you
with your head sticking.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Out, Okay, So that one's stoning And that happened a
lot in India where they would bury. It happened a
lot to women who were committing adultery because the men
men could not commit adultery, so they would bury you
up to your neck and then the village would walk
by with rocks and fucking stone you in the head

(01:15:23):
with it until you died. There was also one that
there was a year of time. There was one way
to get out of a dispute with your with your
wife U, and that was that you get buried in
a hole up to your chest and you have a sword,
and then your wife gets is tethered to a pole

(01:15:44):
next to you, and she has a big wooden mallet,
and then the two of you fight it out and
whoever wins gets to live. I guess damn. Yeah, so
there's that and then okay, uh, are you ready for
another one?

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Okay, hey, uh we'll beheading. Beheading was made. Beheading was
for nobility and people who wanted to get that shit
over with quick. So if you fucked up and but
you were rich, that was the other thing is actually,
let's talk about pay. So an executioner made about twenty
five hundred dollars on our time now per execution. But

(01:16:24):
the thing is that he only got to do about
eight executions a year on the average, and so he
had to supplement his income by torturing people, cleaning up
death sites. He would also be go and collect money
from whoores and tax stuff like that. But the money
that a lot of money he made too was let's

(01:16:44):
say I'm up for execution and you're going to execute me,
my family would pay you a certain amount of money
to get me fucked up so that wouldn't hurt so bad,
and then also give me a quick death. So he
made extra money off of that as well. Crushing was
another way where it would lay you on a flat
They would lay you on a flat surface and then

(01:17:06):
they would put a board over you like another piece
of plyboard, and then they would slowly add rocks to
the plyboard until the board basically crushed you to death.
You know, bro, what's crazy to me is that there's
someone who thought of this fucked up shit. Oh this
one's you asked me, and I told you this when
we were in Naples. You said, what was the most

(01:17:27):
heinous one? This one is the most heinous one. They
hang you upside down by your ankles, and they spread
your legs. Where's my felipe there it is? You hang
you up by lately legs like that, right, and then
they take a saw like a fucking saw that you
like a wood saw, and then they start to saw

(01:17:47):
you from here. This is not gonna kill you until
you get about to write here. So between here and
here as there's something huh, I don't think you ever.
I mean, your body does go into shock. You can't
go into shock. There's a thing called shock where your
body just goes I'm not feeling this pain, and it

(01:18:08):
knocks you out. That's why sometimes people pass out. And
it's very dangerous just to pass on little knowledge to
those out there. If someone seems sleepy after a bad accident,
do not let them fall asleep because you could die
from that. So sometimes they would die from shock. But
it's so heinous, bro, because that first saw goes into you,
it's not enough pain to knock you out. It's just

(01:18:28):
enough pain to irritate you. And then once it gets
into your skin, it starts to move back and forth.
You remember those when we were talking about in Hawaii,
the teeth and you hit them in the balls and
you pull it back and it rips all those tendons out.
That's what that saw is doing down there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
You ever seen one of those tortures on that people
were sitting around from all over the world, like on
drug Wars that terrorism.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Oh yeah, I watched those.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Well it was a reporter head cut off right right
by al Kada.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Yes, oh, bro, I watched those. Those were all those
Isis killings and stuff, Bro, all those like executions. I
stupidly watched those, which sucked me up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
But yeah, I saw somebody send me one on Facebook
back in the day. It was a cartel killing. Bro.
Oh God, I don't know if you saw that one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Were you still screaming?

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
I start? I thought when they cut his legs off first?

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Oh no, yes, you showed and then you and Rodrigo
showed you this first time off, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
And then you had like no arms still alive. I
saw how sharp is that knife?

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
That's a bone crusher? Right again, bro, These guys, these
executioners had to keep their knife sharp because it had
to be one blow, and if it was more than
a few blows, then they would because dude, that's the
thing is meat is is dense. But also like, we
have bones that you have to break past, and they're
not like chicken bones. These are human being bones that

(01:19:57):
are not supposed to be broken like that. You know.
The one that I saw that was crazy was this
Russian one where they took this guy that was like
hurting kids or something, and they uh cut his balls off,
and then they splayed him out. They tied his arms
and his legs, and then they let these two pipples
basically eat away at his area and you could see it.

(01:20:22):
You could see it. They were like ripping meat off.
They're these two pipples and they're like chewing the meat,
and it's just it's one of the most heinous things
I've ever seen on the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Do they still in America? Do they still hang people? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
No, They're I think so they did. They did shooting
all the way up until maybe I don't know, Like God,
I don't want to say a couple decades ago was
the last state to do a firing range, and now
it's all electric chair or lethal injection. Now Here's here's

(01:20:58):
something that people think that isn't true. And it may
be true in some places, but in most places it's
not that the person giving the lethal injection. So what
I was, what I was made to believe when I
was younger, is that four guys would stand there with
like syringes and only one of the syringe would have
the death nail in it, but no one knew who

(01:21:18):
it was, so it kept everybody safe from knowing who
killed who. But I watched a lot of interviews over
the week of modern day death executioners. Not one of
them was like, I didn't know I did it. All
of them were like, yeah, but I felt like I
was just doing a job. But yeah, all of them had,

(01:21:40):
you know, a way of doing things with lethal injection.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
How about the ones that say that when they do it,
like a would they shoot people? What to that called?

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Oh, that's the firing range A fire squad. Can you
look up the last time America a fire's squad.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
I heard that not all of them have real bullets.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
That that's the reason I some of them that I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I wore for sure they all have bullets, but they
said in execution, not autumn will have bullet.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
The last firing execution in the US was twenty ten.
Bro Ronnie Lee Gardner was executed by firing squad in Utah.
Before Gardner's execution, the previous ones were in Utah as well,
Gary Gilmore in nineteen seventy seven and John Albert Taylor
in nineteen ninety six. So that's the thing, man, is
Like I don't know what the truth is behind that

(01:22:30):
because I heard the same thing. But to me, it
sounds really dumb and inefficient not to load up everybody's
fucking gun because you want this guy to die and
if one guy gets if a guy gets shot by
one bullet, he's more likely to live. It's very hard
to actually kill someone with one bullet. Like even if
you shoot someone in the head, there's a good chance
that they might live. So, like, you know, like that's

(01:22:54):
the thing is that you need bullets to multiple bullets,
to sever several artery he's like, because that's what you
die from. You die from, Like if you get shot
in the stomach, you don't die right away like in
the movies, because it's like in that movie Three Kings
where his lungs are filling up with acid, you know,
and your stomach is ripped into your lungs and so

(01:23:16):
it's leaking fluid into your So that's one way. Another
way is you know, if you hit the brain in
the right place. Yeah, okay, there's certain areas like in
Blood Out. Blood in Blood Out where they show you
all the stabbing points. Those are all ways to die
because you're popping blood vessels. So in the movies someone
gets shot, like, it doesn't work like that. I had
a friend who was in Afghanistan and he said that

(01:23:38):
they were rolling up on a group of guys that
were stealing oil drums from the base, and so they
started firing on the guys. They fuck. He goes, the
first time I ever got in a firefight, and it
wasn't even really a firefight. They were just shooting at
these guys stealing, and the guys took off on their
boat and he goes, Dude, I swear to god, I
hit I was hitting them like I was watching my sights. Yeah,

(01:23:59):
and he goes and they took off like nobody got shot.
But there was a report of the boat being found
down the way. All the guys were dead. So like,
you don't die right away from that, you know, from
being shot a couple of times, you need a fools
firing squad just load you full of that lead baby.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
In the movies and quesn't turned two new movies, they
shoot you with a with a fucking bullet and you
fucking fly six feet in the air.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Yeah, that does That's not real.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
I always thought like they wouldnmen if he's flying six
feet in the air, the other guy who's shooting a
gunsh your flight two feet off.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
You know what. Yeah. That's the other thing too.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Is like when he should a shotgun like Color hit
him with a shotgun, Ryan right Ray in a movie, Right,
he'll go through the wall.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Right. Not at all true, Not at all true. And
I'm sure there's people out there that if you're if
you're watching this or listening, e've been shot. Tell me
if this is your experience. But I had a friend
he was shot and he said it felt like someone
punched him he didn't even feel that, he goes, Dude,
it felt like like I could feel it hit me,
but it didn't like it didn't hurt for a minute,

(01:25:09):
and then I couldn't I couldn't breathe because one of
his lungs was feeling up with with blood. And then
he passed out and then he went to the hospital
and then he woke up feeling the worst pain he
ever felt. But he said right away didn't feel like
it hurt. He just was like he looked down his blood.
So like, that's the thing, bro is, because it's going
so fast and your body's just made. How does that

(01:25:32):
How does those little bullets fucking push you back like that? Yeah,
Hollywood's that's the thing, man is. Like I would encourage
people to do their own research.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
It's not hard, No pick up a book.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
I was gonna say, go educate yourself by going on
the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
To shooting range.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Man, Yes, do that? Do that? We went for your birth.
That was fucking fun. Yeah, yeah, did you have fun
doing that? Yeah? I love shooting guns. It's it's a
nice little exercise. I think that's all I got, dude,
to be honest with you, Like, uh, I'm trying to
look through all the other executions that we talked about.

(01:26:17):
We talked about flaning, flaying, Oh, being skinned alive was
away and that was after you got boiled.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
People would like do a cut on your skin and
peel it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
Uh. Yeah, people would boil you enough to par like,
would not do it live right, yeah, you're still alive,
and then and then they skin you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
There was one thing that we called called the upright
jerker here in America that we tried. And it sounds like,
you know, another thing that you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
But also like tie you up and leave it in
a box.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Huh oh, bro buried alive, dude, that's the worst. Well,
that's some of the things. So they had those for slaves,
but then there was times where they were just put
you in a box and leave you there until you
rot it away. But the upright jerker was the was
another Uh. They tried it because they thought it was
gonna be cleaner than regular executions, but they noticed that

(01:27:12):
sometimes people's heads would just come completely off, attached to
the spinal column still but the body bid me laying there.
But it was called the upright jerker. So let's say
you weigh two hundred and sixty pounds. Okay, they would
find a three hundred, four hundred, three hundred, three hundred
and fifty pound weight and they put it on one
end of a rope and then they'd wrap the noose
around your neck and then they'd let the fucking they

(01:27:33):
let the win go, and that fucking thing would just
rip your fucking head right off. So that's all the
stuff we have, you know, on the history of executioners. Again,
you know, it's a sordid history because there were accounts
of people wearing hoods and other stories. So I'm not
gonna say that it wasn't a thing, but I think

(01:27:55):
it was more because in my mind, this is one
of the guys said this that I was watching. He
was like, why would they wear a hood when they
already know that they're fucking everybody knows who they are.
They're not allowed to go in the city, you know,
And the accounts that this guy's reading are like their
kids are marrying other executioners' kids because they're all kind
of banished from society. So again, the hoods may be

(01:28:17):
a thing, but I don't think they are as far
as will you saw there with William Wallace. That didn't
happen like that, But that's probably Hollywood's best way of
showing you without imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Bro, Like there was like two thousands of people for
the execution. Yeah, people had.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Nothing to do, Bro, nothing to do, nothing to do. Bro. Well,
that was the thing is.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
There's no Hey, you know you're starving. Comes shove everybody
to this execution.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Bro. This is how board of people was. There was
no art, so people would go to a good church
which they were not allowed to go inside of if
they were poor, they would go and stare at the
art because there was They didn't have art in their houses,
you know, Like it wasn't like today where we got
all this wonderful You're the.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Guy who conquered conquered the gladiators, who conquered the golf people.
He did, I did, Bro. Uh, he's you for fools. Execution.
We'll be backboard, We'll.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Be back next week.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
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