August 29, 2025 • 50 mins
This segment begins with a very interesting profile by a graphologist on the Pizza Bomber case. We will see how well graphology can predict the human behavior of a suspect. Connected communications to John Walsh in regards to his son’s death makes some very interesting claims. Found in the FBI FOIA files on Adam Walsh’s murder, and presented by Lindsay MacBrayer.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good Morning, true seekers and truth kind junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
I think I'm losing my words this morning. That was
true crime Jonkies. Anyways, I'd like to welcome Nolan to
the show. Good and hopefully we will have Lindsay McBrayer
here with us because we will be discussing some of
(01:14):
the letters that she has found in the John Walsh
case that she thinks or the Adam Walsh case, should
I say that she thinks are extremely interesting. I did
get a chance this last week to decipher them. They're
very hard to read. They're very muddied old copies. They
look like they've been scanned in at a very low resolution.
(01:36):
So of course the words tend to kind of or
the letters of a word tend to blend together, but
I was able to make out I would say about
ninety eight percent of one of them and one hundred
percent of the other, so that we can clearly read
those today in the presentation. We talked last week in
regards to a five star review that was placed on
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the talkfor tv dot com site where this plays live
every Friday at ten am, and I wasn't sure who
this individual was. I didn't have a lot of information
on it, but Dean did get back to me and
he let me know that the individual's name was James Kerr.
I did try to look up James Kerr. It looks
like there's a couple different options for him, but both
(02:17):
of them look like they're either writers speakers. One of
them was a writer for either a online newspaper type
scenario or something like that. But I couldn't really zero
in obviously without having more information than just his name.
But the review that he did put up was I
have been startled and impressed by Jack as a Zodiac
(02:40):
Killer suspect since two thousand and eight, when I first
read about him after watching the two thousand and five
and two thousand and seven movies about Zodiac please help
solve if he's the guy, if he's Zodiac, don't give
up on getting FBI or police to do DNA tests
or figure out how to at least investigate Jack more
so he can be positively identified or ruled out. I
(03:01):
interviewed Robert Farr, and it's either far or forres and
I couldn't find anything on him either.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Make it.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Oh, I did not do that here. Let me do
that real quick.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I saved something to it earlier this morning, which means
I kicked it out of full screen view. Let's go
back my high present review.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
There we go. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
On. So, he interviewed somebody, either Robert Farr or Robert Faris,
and wrote an article online destined for Zodiac websites. I
didn't think Alan was the Zodiac. I'm not exactly sure
what his article was or what he wrote for these
online Zodiac forums. I don't even know if his article
made the Zodiac forums. So it would be really interesting
(03:46):
to have him reach out to me to let me
know what it is that he himself has written in
regards to it. I think we all completely understand at
this point. At a minimum, Arthur Lee Allen is not
a good Zodiac suspect right and no.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
One correct, although he did know Jack.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You know, there is that information which was very interesting.
Dennis had indicated that Jack told him that when he
saw Arthur Lee Allen on TV on the news as
one of the suspects, that that was the nice man
who gave him a ride home from Lake Barry Essa. So, yes,
there does seem to be some inclination that Jack was
familiar with or knew who Arthur Lee Allen was. And
(04:26):
I wonder sometimes that affiliation, if that wasn't exactly what
pressed people in that direction, because I'm not really sure
who tipped the police off to the possibility of Arthur
Lee Allen either and how he became on their radar.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I think it was his brother or his sister in law.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Really, yes, yes, so the ones that they recently did
the docuseries with.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No that was a different family.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I think that was his friends that lived in southern California,
in central California. But quick question referred in two thousand
and five and two thousand and seven movies, I didn't
know that was a second film.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The two thousand and seven I recognize being the Jake
Gillenhall version of her Allen. The two thousand and five
I think is the one that he was reaching out
to Tom Voight in regards to he wanted his story
told the right way. He felt it would be a
better movie for people to see if they understood the
real reasoning behind it. And of course that was all
pretty much brushed underneath the carpet by Tom Voight.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Either way of the two thousand and five movie.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I don't know, you know, I didn't really get involved
with the Zodiac stuff until two thousand and nine. I
watched the two thousand and seven simply because there was
nothing left on Blockbuster's shelf. Remember when we had the
good old Blockbuster. Yeah, you could go down to and
rent the DVDs and stuff. I had literally been, i guess,
just binging movies at that point and had gotten down
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to the fact that there wasn't really anything on the
shelves that I was interested in. But I still needed
some movies to watch, so I picked this particular two
thousand and seven version up. At the end of it,
I felt very let down. I'm not a very good
person with movies that don't have an ending.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
I think it's a well made movie, and as far
as the actions of the Zodiac, I think it's pretty
accurate in the different killings. But yeah, the conclusion basically
that Arthur Lee Allen or they lead you to believe
it's Arthur Lee Allen, is inaccurate.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Well, And I always find it interesting how they were
able to even portray what people believe to be accuracy
in the killings since nobody was there nobody, you know
what I'm saying. Yes, we had a couple witnesses that survived,
but they were in panic mode from the time it ensued,
right from the second that it started. They were literally
probably in shock of what was going on. So to
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recall anything or to you know, set up a precedence
for how the murder went down, or to try and
portray it in the correct way may exactly be why
the Zodiac is trying to reach out to people to
say you've got it all wrong. Perhaps I want you,
I want you to tell my story.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
The movie goes a lot off of a graceless book too.
As far as health stuff went down, I think a
lot of its accurate. Uh, like the pen flashlight taped
to the gun and things like that. Yes, and then
they had the eyewitness at very us that survived Partnell
and so he you know, he basically said that he
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saw a guy out there, you know, in the distance,
kind of looking kind of weird and odd, and and
then you know, he described the hood and described the
rope and things like that, the.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
N of the gun.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I mean, some of it, it's pretty accurate some of it,
but other words is got to be part speculation.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yes, I think I really hold true too. Thought is
the statement that Hartnell made about the belly of the
Zodiac Killer overhanging his pants so that he was a
more robust person. That's something that I kind of feel
like you are going to have correct. That's not like
remembering whether or not he had blue or brown eyes,
(08:19):
was wearing a navy blue or black shirt, right, That's
something that's distinguishable about somebody. So whenever I see these
new young suspects that come into play, who are fit
and who are slim, and you know, they're trying to
act like like this last guy that brought this new
suspect forward is trying to claim that his dad was
the Zodiac when you can look or his stepdad, when
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you can look at the stepdad and see he doesn't
have an ounce of weight on him. So it goes
back to many of these suspects during that time frame that.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Were really fit.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
That does not fit that description that Heartnell gave. And
we also he talked about a lumber with the way
he walked, there were things that these other individuals are
just I think people are willing to gate these pieces
of evidence to in order to fit their person into
the mold.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, when I asked him to send differ, he said,
I guesst a couple of pictures. Has he sent anything else?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
He no. Just short of those emails, it was as
if he wanted me to give him a phone call.
But after you had had the phone call with him
and to kind of describe the way he was all
over the place, I'm really not in the mood for that.
I want you to focus in on what it is
that that evidence that you have that supports I don't
want to hear about this crime scene, this crime scene,
(09:33):
this crime s. Want to hear about what makes your
person the person of interest? And I couldn't clearly get
that out of him, And eventually he sent me a
final email saying it was going to be his final
email that he's given me more than enough, and I'm
and I'm thinking, you haven't given me enough.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
You've really again? Yeah, no, yeah, you've given me a
b too.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Gy killer. He knew a lot more about that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Than Zovie, right, So I think again he's trying to
form fit and maybe his father was a killer.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Maybe his father did work for the CIA. Again, I
don't know. But I asked him for handwriting, and that's
usually where I draw my line at. If you're willing
to send me handwriting, then we can discuss it. But
he wanted to. He's one of those individuals that wanted
to slough off the fact that handwriting would solve this case,
which I think is bs. It's a fingerprint, it's DNA.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
That's why give.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
An example and give a shot at it.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It can't hurt, no, And that was disregarded, and I
told him at one point that it couldn't. If he
couldn't be honest and be straightforward with me in regards
to what he's talking about, then I was going to
tell him not to retain you, because there's no reason
for us to be hush hushed. The whole purpose of
us doing this is to out everything out all of
the information in the truth and to be oh, hush hush,
(10:49):
they're investigating it. If it's real, then you're gonna want
everybody to know, not this five second blurb on the
news that oh, the Zodiac's been solved again, and then
three weeks later, the you know, FBI come back and go,
that's not the guy. But nobody ever hears about that one.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
It takes me to find that.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Fifty dollars to invoke confidentially.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yeah no, yeah, no, crazy dude.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Well that's about the way I was going with it,
and I didn't want to say that out loud, so
I'm glad you did. Anyways, So last week we know
that I sat in on a PowerPoint where in a
presentation or a conference with a graphology group, in which
case one of the presenters was doing a profile on
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the pizza bomber and on the anthrax letters. And of
course I didn't realize until after I had already booked
the conference that this was something that was going to happen.
So of course, once I realized that she would be
discussing the profile of the anthrax killer, I was absolutely enamored.
I knew that I needed to be on this presentation
and everything happens for a reason. I don't often attend
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these conferences because my science is forensics, not necessarily the graphology,
even though I'm doing my bit to learn and follow
that as much as possible. The one that she started
with was the Pizza Bomber, and I'm going to share
that one with you today because I've subsequently spoken with
her and she is going to come on the show
and give her profile for the Anthrax and for the Zodiac,
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and then I'm supposed to send her some handwriting from
Jack so that she can also profile Jack and have
that prepared for us as well. Awesome, right, I just
wanted to give you kind of a little bit of
a taste of the power that graphology has. And keep
in mind that the letters that she did the profile
off of on the Pizza Bomber, And for those that
(12:42):
are not familiar with the Pizza Bomber, I have put
up the player's names over here. William Rosstein, Marjorie Dial Armstrong,
Floyd Stockton, Kenneth Barnes, and of course Brian Wells, who
was the actual He was a pizza delivery man who
attempted to rob a bank with a bomb, call around
his neck that subsequently blew up and of course killing him. Meanwhile,
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he was under the impression that it was just a
fake bomb, but at some point he began panicking and
rationalizing that he hears these timers that are about to
go off, and they used kitchen timers for gosh sakes,
they're only sixty minutes long. Yeah, he knew exactly how
long he probably had to accomplish this. Now, after he
was dead and they found his vehicle, they found a
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nine page letter in the rear of his vehicle that
described a scavenger hunt that he was supposed to go
on after having robbed the bank, and eventually, once he
makes it to the final phase of the scavenger hunt,
he will find the keys in order to release himself
from this bomb around his neck. But as we saw
on the media, yeah, as we saw on the media,
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he didn't have but minutes. So by the time he
had left out of the bank and made it to
the street, the cops were there. He was detained basically,
but at a distance. The police officers did not want
to get too close, knowing that he had claimed that
he had a bomb around his neck, and subsequently that
bomb went off within minutes of them apprehending him and
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detaining him. So this letter here is one of nine pages,
and it again was found in the back of his vehicle.
It was found not to be his handwriting. So of
course we know that there are more than one suspect
involved with this entire bombing escapade.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
The mbire what's that?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Where did it happen?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Oh you know what?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Erie, Pennsylvania. Oh okay, I don't let oh you know what.
I've got to go back to sharing. Oh man, So
I put up my full stop sharing. I put up
my full presentation, but failed to actually share that with everybody.
So let me share the full presentation so you guys
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can actually see the letter. Share there it is all right.
So this letter very much looks like somebody controlled their
handwriting to the degree that they attempted to print like
a typewriter. So it was very much disguised, as one
would say, because nobody clearly writes exactly like a typewriter types.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
But this was fairly close.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
In all aspects, and for that reason, the FBI said
nothing could be determined from this particular handwriting because they
attempted to write like a typewriter and albeit I would
say that there are Yeah, it's gonna be a little tougher,
but there should be some taelltale signs in here in
regards to handwriting that would match or give us an
authorship identity in the profiling range. The FBI was under
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the impression nothing could be profiled from this because the
way the author wrote. So the gal that I sat
in on the presentation with last week, she minds you,
is one of the few graphologists and forensic examiners that
has completed the Secret Service education in in profiling and
in graphology and forensic document examination. She is a consultant
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for the FBI and in a police department back East,
and she took a look at these notes and her
first impression when she saw them was it looks like
a it looks like a instruction manual from a board game,
which I kind of agree with her. We have a
whole lot of underlining, we've got sectioned off boxes, we've
got you know, a's, b's ones, twos threes, we've got
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some very interesting attributes to this letter, which definitely screams
instructions for something. So she went ahead and she gave
her profile on this and she said that he is
a hoarder, he's intelligent, he's frugal yet had money. He's
mechanically inclined, he has an explosive personality, mental health issues,
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he likes puzzles and games, and he's not a good
liar and would confess if confronted. This This profile was
actually given on The Pizza Bomber, I think she said
approximately three years before they stumbled across William Rostein. So
we all know if you've watch if you've seen the
Pizza Bomber docuseries on Netflix, you will find that William
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Rostein is literally all eight of these attributes. What I
really thought was interesting is when she said he's not
a good liar and he would confess. And the reason
for that is because he literally was confessing to a
dead body in his freezer. That's how it kicked off
the whole entire investigation into him and the Brian Wells
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pizza bombing case. So basically, when the detectives got to
his house to find this body in the freezer, one
of the first things that mister Rostein said was, you know,
despite the fact I have this dead body in my freezer,
you have to know this has nothing to do with
Brian Wells out of the blue for no apparent reason.
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It's what I like to refer to as the overdisclosure.
You're making statements in regards to something that has no impact.
Nobody asked you, nobody brought this up. You just willingly
gave this information up front without being asked for it, right,
So exactly, yeah, yeah, one percent. I look at this
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all the time in many of the cases that I'm
dealing with where you know the individual especially when they're
my clients who are lying to me and they want
to make an overdisclosure or help me out in my
area of expertise. You start telling me why you think
something is what it is. It's because you want me
to believe that I don't need you to tell me
how to do my job. Let me do my job.
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I will come and tell you what I find. But
there's still kind of a series of individuals, including this last.
I have a case right now where the Gallas disputed
my fees after hiring me after I completed my work,
gave her my work, and I always submit my work
to my already ahead of time and ask them to
set up a time to discuss my findings. So they
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have my PowerPoint presentation, they have my findings. Basically to
a certain degree, she was able to look and see
that I did not come to the conclusion that she wanted.
So instead of setting up a time to discuss this
with me, because she already knew she wrote this stuff,
she went and filed a dispute against me. And I'm
still in the midst of fighting this and it started
back in July, the end of July, before I left
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to Alaska.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
But her, yeah, her overdisclosure.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Is is you know, I want you to sign a
non disclosure and when somebody asked me to do that.
This is quite like this gentleman that reached out to
us and wants you to have client privilege for him
if he pays you fifty bucks so that you don't
tell anybody anything. And I'm thinking to myself that in
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itself is an overdisclosure, because if you're trying to prove
that somebody committed fraud, you want everybody to know.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
You don't hold that in, you don't high it.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Wells guy could not have been too bright just looking
at that one sheet of nine that he had to
know the bomb's gonna go off way before he's gonna
get it off.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
His neck and well, let someone put do that through them.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, and that's what I think is interesting.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
And you know they also had he also.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Has the calculus E in here that she talked about
in the anthrax letters. That's very interesting.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I just saw it.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Anyways, I got sidetracked by handwriting.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I think that they clearly indicated that he was a
very low level smart person, that he was kind of global.
I mean, he's a pizza delivery driver in his late
forties or fifties, so yeah, he's very very low level smart.
Just to make it nice, And they're back and forth
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as to whether or not he really was involved with
this entire plan or whether whether or not he was
kidnapped attacked, and you know, they ordered pizza which got
him to the property. Now, was he a part of it?
Did he know about it? And there's been some evidence
that's come forward that indicates that yes, he was aware
of what was going on, but that he also thought
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it was a fake bomb, not a real bomb anyways,
So if you yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
They told him it was a fake bomb, so he figured, okay,
no big deal, and then his head blow, right.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
And most of his family wants to state that no,
he wasn't a part of it, And I got that.
Nobody wants to believe that their loved ones would do
something as silly as this. And the whole purpose for
this robbery was to steal this money to pay a
hired gun to kill Margery Deil Armstrong's father so she
could collect as an ieritance. And this woman, she's as
loony as the day is long. She's already killed boyfriends
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and now she's killed another boyfriend that she gets. She
talks an old boyfriend, Rostein, into hiding in his freezer
at his house.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I don't even know what's going on with these people.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I can't even pretend to under stand another way. Right, So, this,
this individual clearly had the capability to do all of
the designing of the bomb. So evidently the bomb was
designed at Rostein's house. He put the entire thing together.
Marjorie deal Armstrong admits to giving the timers the two
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kitchen timers to place inside of the bomb, and of
course we now have them arguing, well, Rostein died before
he could even be arrested and convicted. Marjorie deal Armstrong
basically went up river for it. I believe Floyd stocked
and had been found culpable of some of it and
has also been convicted and is doing some time. And
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Kenneth Barnes, I don't know to what degree he ended
up in the middle of it, but he was the
hired gun hired that was going to be hired to
kill Armstrong's father and all of that.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Failed either way.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I just thought that in the end, when she completed
this profile of this individual, and she didn't really know
a lot of the facts behind the case. So as
I sat and listened, I knew more about the facts
of the case than she did, and all she knew
was is eventually, three or so years later, when they
actually stumbled across Rostein, he was a complete match to
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all of these items in that profile. Now she has
indicated though that there could be several people who match
these profiles. So while she gave this profile this is
what we're looking for based on the handwriting, wouldn't necessarily
allow us to convict an individual of a crime simply
because they carried these attributes with these characteristics, because we
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don't know that they'd act upon it. Whereas after they've acted,
after they've done the bad deed based on the handwriting
and what she profiles will match the person that they're
looking for, and that is in fact what happened in
this particular case.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
So when she.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Gives a profile, as she's indicated, she did a profile
on another individual that was brought to her by a
female and I'm not really cool. I think I know
who she's talking about. I'm not exactly or she said
that the individual has the similar profile to the Zodiac
and therefore they submitted this man's DNA to the FBI,
but she indicates that they have not heard anything back.
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Once again, resonating is the fact that she said more
than one person can match these profiles. So while this
individual may have been a killer, doesn't necessarily mean that
he was the Zodiac. And when we started discussing age
and timeframe, she rationalized that the individual that she had
just turned over to the FBI would have only been
in his twenties during the Zodiac stuff. And I said
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that's too young. Yeah, too young, because when we back
that up another three or so years to share a
Joe Bates, it makes him even younger.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
You know, we're eighteen nineteen somewhere around there.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So I think that maybe even then, and she said,
I'm an open book and I will keep that door
open because just because we said, yes, these characteristics are
consistent with the Zodiac profile doesn't necessarily make him the Zodiac.
So we're going to be doing all of this in
hopes to show that jack A is a good profile match.
As we've all indicated, he has every capability that we're
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looking for to be the Zodiac. He has every opportunity,
he has every proximity, and he has every bit of
training that is necessary. And now we'll see how it
fares out and what she thinks. By the time we're
done with that, I'm just overly excited. H Now, I
still haven't seen let me see, maybe I got a
text from her.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I asked her if she's on today, and quite frankly,
she was texting me yesterday telling me she was working
out getting Megan Walsh to come on our episodes next
week possibly. But and now I guess I'm left to
go over and not understanding the information she sent me
because she is not here.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
During and give her a little more time.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Well, no, this entire week was predicated on the information
that she gave me from the Walsh files because we're
following up that.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Man, Hi, there's nothing more.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
May he were a little recapt synopsis on the wall situation?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
He was it was his son Adam that was killed,
right and correct. It was in Florida that had happened
from a shopping center or some kidnap duck there or something.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yes, absolutely, And there's a couple of stories. And one
of the more recent docuseries I just watched, they had
indicated that, oh gosh, I'm going to lose her name,
Missus Walsh, John Walsh's wife, Revet I think her name is,
had indicated that he he had gone missing in sears
with her, whereas every bit of information up to that
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point had indicated she dropped him at a arcad arcade,
yeah video arcade, and then proceeded to go to her
shopping and then he had purportedly been kicked out with
a bunch of other kids from the arcade, forced to
go outside.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Of the mall and basically was a from there. So
he was not yet.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
No, No, I think he was right. He was too
young to be thrown in an arcade full of you know.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Old kids.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, at least in my mind, I mean,
I know that's the mom. I know nineteen eighty one
is a different era, right, we're not talking about today
as we rationalize what that's why. Ah, and we and
we came home when the light street lights came on, right,
I mean we were off running a mock doing whatever,
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and our parents had no clue where we were and
what we were doing. Uh. And when we got home,
we got home, but we better be home for dinner
and we better be flown before it's dark. That was
really kind of our limitations.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
To the malls and arcades on our own without even
our parents.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Right exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, and back in the day when somebody could actually
maneuver the.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Bus system, we had the whole town. Yeah, the town.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
We went all right, right, my hotel, well, I'm for
and the whole town is all of five miles wide,
so that bussing system was super easy to get down. Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Napa Oh now.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Okay, wow, so you're real close to.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yes, yes, I was very close.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And that's what makes this also surreal, Like especially knowing
that the Zodiac made that phone call from First Street
in Napa, because that's where I'm originally from, That's where
I grew up. That's where I was raised.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Lake very Essa was a place that I frequented consistently
with my uncle. And it turns out that but I
wasn't actually born until nineteen seventy three, so four years
after the fact, I wasn't really aware of the Zodiac,
and I was a little too young for all of
the hubbub about you know, killing children off of a
bus and all of these other things that were going on.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
And that's that's what made the two thousand.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
And seven movies so unique to me, is because while
I'm watching it, I didn't relate it to a real
true story, and I thought to myself, at the end
of it, these people were stupid. I would have solved this.
I would have figured out, Oh, that's just my naivete, right.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
My first were Zodiac when at the.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Timesh felt and my using stayed with some cousins in
San Jose and they had a younger sister and they
were all afraid of the Zodiac.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
That's how I first found out about it.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
They were especially afraid for their sister because you know,
most of the time the women were young women were
getting killed. And what year was that, That was probably
sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Oh, Okay, so in the heart of it, yeah, yeah, no, no,
it was still going on at that time.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, and we were not far from the Bay area, and.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I was just going to say, by seventy seventy one,
he'd actually entered our area. So while they're still scared
the Bay Area, he's actually, you know, here in our
area and the Sacramento, the South Lake Tao area, the
you know, more in our proximity at that point in time.
So these people are fearing over here, but we're really
the ones that should have been scared, and we had
no knowledge.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
What's between the San Jose and uh zeb or very.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Essa exactly exactly right.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Fairfield.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
It was almost that you could see his trail that
he was leaving behind as he's exiting the Bay area
and coming back towards the Sacramento area. We start to
see letters to Fairfield to you know, other other entities
outside of Sacramento became one of the places that started
receiving letters from this psycho.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
So after you crossed the bridge coming up from San Jose,
after you passed Non Diablo, and I think, yeah, I
think before you could take sixty eighty or Fairfield or
seven eighty to Blejoe.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Right, yeah, six eight Martinez Benetia right right, right, right, right. Well,
one of the things that Lindsay had sent me is this,
And I'm not sure what to make of it, because again,
like I said, I had hoped that she was going
to be here. She knew I was putting this stuff together,
So something must have happened. It's some type of indicator
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of a regional organized crime information center.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
To see is where it's pointing to right.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
And I I don't feel I feel like there may
have been a communication written to Tennessee, but I really do.
I can't. I think it might be a communication we
haven't actively seen, and it might have just been an
address that I saw on the FOYA files. But interesting
to note, regional organized crime information center.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Well in Texas and Florida and all the southern states.
So it's pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, well it's if it's collectively all of these areas
go to this one particular office. I'd say this one
particular office was fully overloaded.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
And we have murders and obductions and all kinds of
weird crimes in all those areas Texas, Georgia, Florida. Yeah,
then you know, then we got the Kennedy assassination in Texas,
and a lot of connections New Orleans and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
And mob.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Well, and I think based on the letters that she's
sending me that that there is some theory that this
is revolving around a scare tactic having to do with Watergate,
which I had already recognized. The Atlanta, Georgia child killer cases,
the twenty six or so murdered children in Atlanta, Georgia
were occurring at the same time the Watergate investigations were
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going down. So I kind of included that as the
this this is our distraction, We're going to you know,
hyper media media, uh, cover this particular serial killer that's happening,
keeping people off the streets, you know, give them, give
him something to fear, worry and and and think about
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versus what's really happening in politics.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
And then I'm sorry and blame it on a single
individual when I think it's definitely more than one person involved.
And I don't even know if Wayne Williams killed anyone,
but he was peripherally involved.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Well, and I think that there had been some connection
made between him and Bob Crane, that he had either
interviewed him, I guess he was some type of yeah, yeah, yeah,
some type of a home podcaster before podcasting was a thing,
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right right, investigating things. So of course, you know, if
they want to, like I said, if they want to
break you, they will break you. And of course he
ended up being the main Yeah, the scapegoat or the attention.
Although I think that they had indicated he had in
fact literally killed somebody, but it was an adult, not children,
and who knows if he actually killed the adult. I
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don't get enough information on these to understand what evidence
they had against the individual, especially when they plea him out,
like James DeAngelo, the Golden State killer. Would you plead
them out? How are we going to be satisfied as
the public that this is the person you're looking for
if you don't get, if we don't get to understand
what the evidence was against the individual.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, happens all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Well, here is one of the letters that Lindsay had
sent in on the anumwash files. This was something that
she located in the many FOYA files. She said, there're
thousands and thousands of page, thousands and thousands of pages,
which I would assume, yes, they're likely is because again
this is still an unsolved crime. But some of these
letters were extremely interesting and a little confusing at the
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same time. But here goes everything. This letter starts out,
congratulations on your poor police diplomacy, and poor is underlined,
so they're really trying to hit home that they mean
this Adam Walsh suffered, not you, And of course I can't.
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You can't really read except for the word are you
at the underline or at the next line underneath this,
so I just placed question marks. It says Adam was
dead only two to three days forensics. No, a head
decomposes in water, especially when it's a bloody mess being
fed on by water creatures. You try very hard to
please the public, try telling the truth instead of using
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a police cover up. You are full of shit and
that is underlined. And I'm not going sure what they
mean again. I'd hope that Lindsay would be here. She's
the one that understands what this means to the case
in regards to a police I mean, they found his head, right,
so where's the police cover up? At this point?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Didn't we touch on this letter before? Like last week?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I started to try and read it, but it was
so complicated to read. I didn't want to sit here
and try to fight through what the words were, so
I went back and I deciphered all the language. Next
paragraph says, I hope this crocodile language wakes you up.
You are nothing special. Adam is quite a man. He
makes his father look three months old. It's a miserable
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way to and it's either even or learn payment to assholes.
I again don't understand what the theory is that this
individual is indicating, other than maybe they're indicating that this
was payment for something John Walsh has done and that
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the police are covering it up and in dedicating that
it was just a random kidnapping and murder of this
little boy.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I don't know. Next page says.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Find out, Oh to even learn payment to assholes? Two assholes?
Find out what happened. Police should be more sensible than
sacrificing a six year old child. Now that the status
custody of Adam, you can do some investigating. I don't
approve of the way Adam had to meet death. This
sounds like the murder company Adam kept with was on
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barbituates with no rational thinking. Adam was a little friend
to me and his boyhood should not have ended with
camp Water police can be I don't know what the
word is, try a police hook or a police hook
or book and then the word think, and of course
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it says over. And then I couldn't really read most
of this third page simply because it's not complete. It's
partially cut off. There are a few words that I
can determine, but a lot of it did not allude
to a full sentence that I could make any sense
out of. So it looks like this comes from a
John Kesser and or Sam Martin. I hope this helps
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you or I hope this helps your investigations. It looks
like and then it is signed off, but I can't
again tell who signed off on it. So this is,
I guess, a just a letter of discontent with the
way the police handled this particular case. I would think
that you'd be more discontent with the way John Wallah
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handled the case, refusing the help of the FBI, not
wanting to even proceed with the lawsuit against Sears for
the untimely death of his son because he's afraid evidently
that his skeletons or whatever he's got hiding in his
closet or going to be revealed, and likely would have been,
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because I believe the judge in that case was looking
to force him to discuss these issues that Sears was
bringing up about drugs and infidelity and all these other
things that were known to have been going on in
John's life during this time.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Was the arcade in Sears or in the mall?
Speaker 3 (39:18):
I think, I think you know your traditional mall is
typically the arcade is going to be separate. It's going
to be one of the first things that you pass
when you go in, because the whole goal is for
them to cause your children to beg you uncontrollably through
the entire mall process. Mom, Can I play a video game? Mom?
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Can I play video game?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Moment?
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I feel like it's going to.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Be one of those first places that you pass when
you go into the mall, and a great place to
drop your child off, so you can.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Go, yeah, that happens all the time you get a
little older, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Because that he got kicked out of the arcade, not
out of Sears.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
They're trying king to state that that exact well exactly,
so I'm not sure if Sears was the owner of
the mall at that particular time.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Sears used to be one of
our biggest department stores, and yeah, exactly, they've shut down
here at the at the Sunrise Mall quite some years ago,
and they're kind of being phased out, just like you
know Wards or Mervin's or any of these other used
to be big department stores. So I'm not quite sure
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what this person is alluding to, other than the fact
that they don't believe whatever it is that they're being
sold at this point in time, maybe through the media
in regards to the case itself and what's going on.
And they they made a comment that I thought was interesting,
makes his father look like three months old, like he's
a baby, like his father's a baby. I was like,
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you're in it's go ahead, no, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
He makes Adam seem like an.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Adult, right, and and that is that mature? And I
think there was a I thought, oh, Adam was a
little friend to me. So you've got an adult writing
about this six year old child.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, that's just bad.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Yeah, you slapped around and you know, violence against anyone,
especially women, But that's just wrong.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Well still now still know Lindsay All right, I'll strangle
her later as a serial killer would say, well, that
brings us to.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
That brings us to the next letter, which is from
Harold H. Bloom address withheld for your own safety, which
which I find extremely interesting. But we did hear a
little bit about Harold Bloom back when we were doing
the Adam Walsh case. Harold Bloom was listed as one
of the possible theories of what happened to Adam Walsh.
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In a newspaper. He had indicated that he believed that
Adam Walsh was retribution for mister Bloom having outed Nixon.
I believe in the Watergate scandal. So that's why I
feel that he is trying to associate the happenstances of
the child murder with either a distraction or a harsh
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warning to stop doing what he was doing against the
then President Richard Nixon. In regards to Watergate, he has,
I guess, attempted to contact FBI law enforcement. Now this
letter is actually written directly to the Walshes, so here
goes everything once again. This is written on April twenty eighth,
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nineteen eighty two, and it says mister and missus j
On Walsh Hollywood, Florida. Dear mister and missus Walsh, I
wondered why, honestly he had to write that twice and
then Colan, which is something that I often saw the
zodiac use, as if he was starting some type of
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complicated list, And it says, dear mister and missus Walsh Colan,
I know after all this time that you both are
as shocked as I am about your son Adam. If
I could, I would have and would now give my
life to have him return to you. I hope you
will not thank me a cruel man for what I
am about to disclose. Perhaps it will even help you
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both at first, because it will be explained that your
son was not just picked up indiscriminately from the mall
and later murdered. It was for a definite purpose that
I'm sorry to say is myself. Many times I have
started to write this letter and failed to complete it.
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Know if this time will let me complete same, because
it is most difficult. Adams and he a lot of
times he didn't even spell Adam Adam's name correctly. He
certainly never aposh apostrophe s for ownership.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
He really just wrote it.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Out and a lot of times he didn't, even, like
I said, capitalize the first letter of Adam's name, but
he proceeds to hyphen again, quite like something we seen
with the zodiac, where he's segmenting ideas based on a hyphen.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Rather than a comma.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
But adams murder was a political assassination. That may seem
strange for you to read this, and I know that
you will be bewildered by such a facts. What in
God's name would make someone make such an absurd statement
a six year old boy political murder question mark? But
the letter does not stop here like it did all
those times before. That's what makes it so difficult to write.
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In the of the Vero Beach, Indian River County law enforcement,
it is a well known fact that it was a
political killing. It is also a known fact to the Hollywood,
Florida detectives, mister Hoffman and Hickman. This reason is probably
why you were never told the truth about your son's murder,
because we both know the reason the party is responsible
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and know it would be impossible to prove in a
court of law. Adam was abducted July twenty seventh, murdered
sometime shortly thereafter, and his head was held for deposit
on the bank of a canal to be placed there
and found on the date of August tenth. It was
a death warning to me that my children and unseen
grandchildren would also be dispatched if I continued to resist
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those that I have been in deadly combat. They're deadly
combat with for the past fourteen years. August tenth, nineteen
seventy four was the reason for August tenth, nineteen eighty one.
I'm going to have to do some research into this,
and I was hoping that Lindsay would give us some insight.
Maybe she's already done that research. But it goes on
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to say this was the day that, through my effort,
a president resigned his office. Adam's murder was sandwiched in
between two other equally brutal murders in Vero Beach in
that time period, and I need to research that to
find out what murders he's talking about. Do not be
angry at the Hollywood PD, because they tried to solve
this case and were heartbroken as much as I am.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
And then a word I couldn't read.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
They know that to tell you that it would do
no good, It would only deepen your sorrow. When I
first contacted the Hollywood PD, they thought perhaps that I
was some kind of nut. The follow up letter to
crime stoppers, and I think that's what he meant to write,
but I don't think he knew the entire name of it,
so I think he stopped at crime stop question mark.
Channel seven TV provided let me stop this phone?
Speaker 4 (46:55):
What's that now? Wrong number? Okay, good, it says.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Channel seven TV provided another and another contact with the
HPD prior to mister Hoffman and Hickman coming to Vero
Beach to meet with me in person. On one such
phone call to mister Fred Barbett that after they he
had read my information, his comment was, we always thought
it was a mob hit. We just didn't know why. Two.
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While I'm quoting, I shall quote Detective Hickman at the
Vero Beach meeting, and he I could see was heartbroken
and under a great emotional stress.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Think what this.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Would do to the country, almost like he was talking
to himself instead of me. That statement often ran in
my rang in my ears. Then I thought, what the
hell wasn't it Adams country? To how they do how
could they do such a vicious thing?
Speaker 4 (47:54):
And think that oh it.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
And think that by their being, position and power, get
away with it. It will take some time, but Adam's
death will with the aid of many people, the truth
will come out and those who kill women and children
especially will be branded forever. Very interesting statement, women and children,
because the zodiac has made that statement. He's like he's
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it's like he's fingering down the individuals that are involved
with all of this stuff, not only to the what's
that interesting? Not only to the public, but to their
own personal families as well. When I can, I shall
deliver this to your office in Hollywood after finding your
address in the city directory. I was once a millionaire
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by but that's been expended long ago. Towards the end,
I will have to await funds to make it down there.
This has been one of their most and I couldn't
read the words to keep me from working. Thus broke,
but I survived to defeat these powerful people by the
grace of heal something in a way, mister Barbett's I'd
like to figure out who this is. Statement was correct,
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and in a question they they are wrong.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Again.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
An undecipherable word killed Adam, not the mob, but they
are interconnected. I no longer could maintain in my Vero
Beach apartment. So basically he's saying there's an interconnection between
the mob and the individuals that he's attempting to out
in this letter, which I believe is the political side
of it. But they are interconnected, and you're dumb to
believe anything otherwise. In my Vero Beach apartment and have
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moved into a friend's condo in Fort Pierce. For that reason,
I shall not leave you my address in Fort Pierce.
Just rest assured that we are working on it at
a very high plane. Meanwhile, Adam's death may well be
the one that breaks their vicious conspiracy and deepest sympathy forever.
Harold H. Bloom, Fort Pierce, Florida two. There is a
almost a pss an innocent ad lib to me by
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Hans Freeman of CNN at least terrified these people into
Adam's death. They had to do something drastic at once
or be exposed. What about the statement of Barbara Walters
in San Francisco is what I believe that says there
at the end. So there are some interesting connections that
I'd like to discuss. We've pretty much run out of
time at this point, Nolan, thank you for being here.
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I hope everybody has a wonderful weekend and we will
see you all next Friday to discuss this letter.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good Morning, true seekers and truth kind junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
I think I'm losing my words this morning. That was
true crime Jonkies. Anyways, I'd like to welcome Nolan to
the show. Good and hopefully we will have Lindsay McBrayer
here with us because we will be discussing some of
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the letters that she has found in the John Walsh
case that she thinks or the Adam Walsh case, should
I say that she thinks are extremely interesting. I did
get a chance this last week to decipher them. They're
very hard to read. They're very muddied old copies. They
look like they've been scanned in at a very low resolution.
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So of course the words tend to kind of or
the letters of a word tend to blend together, but
I was able to make out I would say about
ninety eight percent of one of them and one hundred
percent of the other, so that we can clearly read
those today in the presentation. We talked last week in
regards to a five star review that was placed on
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the talkfor tv dot com site where this plays live
every Friday at ten am, and I wasn't sure who
this individual was. I didn't have a lot of information
on it, but Dean did get back to me and
he let me know that the individual's name was James Kerr.
I did try to look up James Kerr. It looks
like there's a couple different options for him, but both
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of them look like they're either writers speakers. One of
them was a writer for either a online newspaper type
scenario or something like that. But I couldn't really zero
in obviously without having more information than just his name.
But the review that he did put up was I
have been startled and impressed by Jack as a Zodiac
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Killer suspect since two thousand and eight, when I first
read about him after watching the two thousand and five
and two thousand and seven movies about Zodiac please help
solve if he's the guy, if he's Zodiac, don't give
up on getting FBI or police to do DNA tests
or figure out how to at least investigate Jack more
so he can be positively identified or ruled out. I
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interviewed Robert Farr, and it's either far or forres and
I couldn't find anything on him either.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Make it.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Oh, I did not do that here. Let me do
that real quick.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I saved something to it earlier this morning, which means
I kicked it out of full screen view. Let's go
back my high present review.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
There we go. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
On. So, he interviewed somebody, either Robert Farr or Robert Faris,
and wrote an article online destined for Zodiac websites. I
didn't think Alan was the Zodiac. I'm not exactly sure
what his article was or what he wrote for these
online Zodiac forums. I don't even know if his article
made the Zodiac forums. So it would be really interesting
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to have him reach out to me to let me
know what it is that he himself has written in
regards to it. I think we all completely understand at
this point. At a minimum, Arthur Lee Allen is not
a good Zodiac suspect right and no.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
One correct, although he did know Jack.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You know, there is that information which was very interesting.
Dennis had indicated that Jack told him that when he
saw Arthur Lee Allen on TV on the news as
one of the suspects, that that was the nice man
who gave him a ride home from Lake Barry Essa. So, yes,
there does seem to be some inclination that Jack was
familiar with or knew who Arthur Lee Allen was. And
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I wonder sometimes that affiliation, if that wasn't exactly what
pressed people in that direction, because I'm not really sure
who tipped the police off to the possibility of Arthur
Lee Allen either and how he became on their radar.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I think it was his brother or his sister in law.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Really, yes, yes, so the ones that they recently did
the docuseries with.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No that was a different family.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I think that was his friends that lived in southern California,
in central California. But quick question referred in two thousand
and five and two thousand and seven movies, I didn't
know that was a second film.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The two thousand and seven I recognize being the Jake
Gillenhall version of her Allen. The two thousand and five
I think is the one that he was reaching out
to Tom Voight in regards to he wanted his story
told the right way. He felt it would be a
better movie for people to see if they understood the
real reasoning behind it. And of course that was all
pretty much brushed underneath the carpet by Tom Voight.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Either way of the two thousand and five movie.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I don't know, you know, I didn't really get involved
with the Zodiac stuff until two thousand and nine. I
watched the two thousand and seven simply because there was
nothing left on Blockbuster's shelf. Remember when we had the
good old Blockbuster. Yeah, you could go down to and
rent the DVDs and stuff. I had literally been, i guess,
just binging movies at that point and had gotten down
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to the fact that there wasn't really anything on the
shelves that I was interested in. But I still needed
some movies to watch, so I picked this particular two
thousand and seven version up. At the end of it,
I felt very let down. I'm not a very good
person with movies that don't have an ending.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
I think it's a well made movie, and as far
as the actions of the Zodiac, I think it's pretty
accurate in the different killings. But yeah, the conclusion basically
that Arthur Lee Allen or they lead you to believe
it's Arthur Lee Allen, is inaccurate.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Well, And I always find it interesting how they were
able to even portray what people believe to be accuracy
in the killings since nobody was there nobody, you know
what I'm saying. Yes, we had a couple witnesses that survived,
but they were in panic mode from the time it ensued,
right from the second that it started. They were literally
probably in shock of what was going on. So to
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recall anything or to you know, set up a precedence
for how the murder went down, or to try and
portray it in the correct way may exactly be why
the Zodiac is trying to reach out to people to
say you've got it all wrong. Perhaps I want you,
I want you to tell my story.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
The movie goes a lot off of a graceless book too.
As far as health stuff went down, I think a
lot of its accurate. Uh, like the pen flashlight taped
to the gun and things like that. Yes, and then
they had the eyewitness at very us that survived Partnell
and so he you know, he basically said that he
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saw a guy out there, you know, in the distance,
kind of looking kind of weird and odd, and and
then you know, he described the hood and described the
rope and things like that, the.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
N of the gun.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I mean, some of it, it's pretty accurate some of it,
but other words is got to be part speculation.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yes, I think I really hold true too. Thought is
the statement that Hartnell made about the belly of the
Zodiac Killer overhanging his pants so that he was a
more robust person. That's something that I kind of feel
like you are going to have correct. That's not like
remembering whether or not he had blue or brown eyes,
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was wearing a navy blue or black shirt, right, That's
something that's distinguishable about somebody. So whenever I see these
new young suspects that come into play, who are fit
and who are slim, and you know, they're trying to
act like like this last guy that brought this new
suspect forward is trying to claim that his dad was
the Zodiac when you can look or his stepdad, when
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you can look at the stepdad and see he doesn't
have an ounce of weight on him. So it goes
back to many of these suspects during that time frame that.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Were really fit.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
That does not fit that description that Heartnell gave. And
we also he talked about a lumber with the way
he walked, there were things that these other individuals are
just I think people are willing to gate these pieces
of evidence to in order to fit their person into
the mold.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, when I asked him to send differ, he said,
I guesst a couple of pictures. Has he sent anything else?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
He no. Just short of those emails, it was as
if he wanted me to give him a phone call.
But after you had had the phone call with him
and to kind of describe the way he was all
over the place, I'm really not in the mood for that.
I want you to focus in on what it is
that that evidence that you have that supports I don't
want to hear about this crime scene, this crime scene,
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this crime s. Want to hear about what makes your
person the person of interest? And I couldn't clearly get
that out of him, And eventually he sent me a
final email saying it was going to be his final
email that he's given me more than enough, and I'm
and I'm thinking, you haven't given me enough.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
You've really again? Yeah, no, yeah, you've given me a
b too.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Gy killer. He knew a lot more about that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Than Zovie, right, So I think again he's trying to
form fit and maybe his father was a killer.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Maybe his father did work for the CIA. Again, I
don't know. But I asked him for handwriting, and that's
usually where I draw my line at. If you're willing
to send me handwriting, then we can discuss it. But
he wanted to. He's one of those individuals that wanted
to slough off the fact that handwriting would solve this case,
which I think is bs. It's a fingerprint, it's DNA.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
That's why give.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
An example and give a shot at it.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It can't hurt, no, And that was disregarded, and I
told him at one point that it couldn't. If he
couldn't be honest and be straightforward with me in regards
to what he's talking about, then I was going to
tell him not to retain you, because there's no reason
for us to be hush hushed. The whole purpose of
us doing this is to out everything out all of
the information in the truth and to be oh, hush hush,
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they're investigating it. If it's real, then you're gonna want
everybody to know, not this five second blurb on the
news that oh, the Zodiac's been solved again, and then
three weeks later, the you know, FBI come back and go,
that's not the guy. But nobody ever hears about that one.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
It takes me to find that.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Fifty dollars to invoke confidentially.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yeah no, yeah, no, crazy dude.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Well that's about the way I was going with it,
and I didn't want to say that out loud, so
I'm glad you did. Anyways, So last week we know
that I sat in on a PowerPoint where in a
presentation or a conference with a graphology group, in which
case one of the presenters was doing a profile on
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the pizza bomber and on the anthrax letters. And of
course I didn't realize until after I had already booked
the conference that this was something that was going to happen.
So of course, once I realized that she would be
discussing the profile of the anthrax killer, I was absolutely enamored.
I knew that I needed to be on this presentation
and everything happens for a reason. I don't often attend
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these conferences because my science is forensics, not necessarily the graphology,
even though I'm doing my bit to learn and follow
that as much as possible. The one that she started
with was the Pizza Bomber, and I'm going to share
that one with you today because I've subsequently spoken with
her and she is going to come on the show
and give her profile for the Anthrax and for the Zodiac,
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and then I'm supposed to send her some handwriting from
Jack so that she can also profile Jack and have
that prepared for us as well. Awesome, right, I just
wanted to give you kind of a little bit of
a taste of the power that graphology has. And keep
in mind that the letters that she did the profile
off of on the Pizza Bomber, And for those that
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are not familiar with the Pizza Bomber, I have put
up the player's names over here. William Rosstein, Marjorie Dial Armstrong,
Floyd Stockton, Kenneth Barnes, and of course Brian Wells, who
was the actual He was a pizza delivery man who
attempted to rob a bank with a bomb, call around
his neck that subsequently blew up and of course killing him. Meanwhile,
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he was under the impression that it was just a
fake bomb, but at some point he began panicking and
rationalizing that he hears these timers that are about to
go off, and they used kitchen timers for gosh sakes,
they're only sixty minutes long. Yeah, he knew exactly how
long he probably had to accomplish this. Now, after he
was dead and they found his vehicle, they found a
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nine page letter in the rear of his vehicle that
described a scavenger hunt that he was supposed to go
on after having robbed the bank, and eventually, once he
makes it to the final phase of the scavenger hunt,
he will find the keys in order to release himself
from this bomb around his neck. But as we saw
on the media, yeah, as we saw on the media,
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he didn't have but minutes. So by the time he
had left out of the bank and made it to
the street, the cops were there. He was detained basically,
but at a distance. The police officers did not want
to get too close, knowing that he had claimed that
he had a bomb around his neck, and subsequently that
bomb went off within minutes of them apprehending him and
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detaining him. So this letter here is one of nine pages,
and it again was found in the back of his vehicle.
It was found not to be his handwriting. So of
course we know that there are more than one suspect
involved with this entire bombing escapade.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
The mbire what's that?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Where did it happen?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Oh you know what?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Erie, Pennsylvania. Oh okay, I don't let oh you know what.
I've got to go back to sharing. Oh man, So
I put up my full stop sharing. I put up
my full presentation, but failed to actually share that with everybody.
So let me share the full presentation so you guys
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can actually see the letter. Share there it is all right.
So this letter very much looks like somebody controlled their
handwriting to the degree that they attempted to print like
a typewriter. So it was very much disguised, as one
would say, because nobody clearly writes exactly like a typewriter types.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
But this was fairly close.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
In all aspects, and for that reason, the FBI said
nothing could be determined from this particular handwriting because they
attempted to write like a typewriter and albeit I would
say that there are Yeah, it's gonna be a little tougher,
but there should be some taelltale signs in here in
regards to handwriting that would match or give us an
authorship identity in the profiling range. The FBI was under
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the impression nothing could be profiled from this because the
way the author wrote. So the gal that I sat
in on the presentation with last week, she minds you,
is one of the few graphologists and forensic examiners that
has completed the Secret Service education in in profiling and
in graphology and forensic document examination. She is a consultant
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for the FBI and in a police department back East,
and she took a look at these notes and her
first impression when she saw them was it looks like
a it looks like a instruction manual from a board game,
which I kind of agree with her. We have a
whole lot of underlining, we've got sectioned off boxes, we've
got you know, a's, b's ones, twos threes, we've got
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some very interesting attributes to this letter, which definitely screams
instructions for something. So she went ahead and she gave
her profile on this and she said that he is
a hoarder, he's intelligent, he's frugal yet had money. He's
mechanically inclined, he has an explosive personality, mental health issues,
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he likes puzzles and games, and he's not a good
liar and would confess if confronted. This This profile was
actually given on The Pizza Bomber, I think she said
approximately three years before they stumbled across William Rostein. So
we all know if you've watch if you've seen the
Pizza Bomber docuseries on Netflix, you will find that William
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Rostein is literally all eight of these attributes. What I
really thought was interesting is when she said he's not
a good liar and he would confess. And the reason
for that is because he literally was confessing to a
dead body in his freezer. That's how it kicked off
the whole entire investigation into him and the Brian Wells
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pizza bombing case. So basically, when the detectives got to
his house to find this body in the freezer, one
of the first things that mister Rostein said was, you know,
despite the fact I have this dead body in my freezer,
you have to know this has nothing to do with
Brian Wells out of the blue for no apparent reason.
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It's what I like to refer to as the overdisclosure.
You're making statements in regards to something that has no impact.
Nobody asked you, nobody brought this up. You just willingly
gave this information up front without being asked for it, right,
So exactly, yeah, yeah, one percent. I look at this
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all the time in many of the cases that I'm
dealing with where you know the individual especially when they're
my clients who are lying to me and they want
to make an overdisclosure or help me out in my
area of expertise. You start telling me why you think
something is what it is. It's because you want me
to believe that I don't need you to tell me
how to do my job. Let me do my job.
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I will come and tell you what I find. But
there's still kind of a series of individuals, including this last.
I have a case right now where the Gallas disputed
my fees after hiring me after I completed my work,
gave her my work, and I always submit my work
to my already ahead of time and ask them to
set up a time to discuss my findings. So they
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have my PowerPoint presentation, they have my findings. Basically to
a certain degree, she was able to look and see
that I did not come to the conclusion that she wanted.
So instead of setting up a time to discuss this
with me, because she already knew she wrote this stuff,
she went and filed a dispute against me. And I'm
still in the midst of fighting this and it started
back in July, the end of July, before I left
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to Alaska.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
But her, yeah, her overdisclosure.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Is is you know, I want you to sign a
non disclosure and when somebody asked me to do that.
This is quite like this gentleman that reached out to
us and wants you to have client privilege for him
if he pays you fifty bucks so that you don't
tell anybody anything. And I'm thinking to myself that in
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itself is an overdisclosure, because if you're trying to prove
that somebody committed fraud, you want everybody to know.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
You don't hold that in, you don't high it.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Wells guy could not have been too bright just looking
at that one sheet of nine that he had to
know the bomb's gonna go off way before he's gonna
get it off.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
His neck and well, let someone put do that through them.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, and that's what I think is interesting.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
And you know they also had he also.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Has the calculus E in here that she talked about
in the anthrax letters. That's very interesting.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I just saw it.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Anyways, I got sidetracked by handwriting.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I think that they clearly indicated that he was a
very low level smart person, that he was kind of global.
I mean, he's a pizza delivery driver in his late
forties or fifties, so yeah, he's very very low level smart.
Just to make it nice, And they're back and forth
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as to whether or not he really was involved with
this entire plan or whether whether or not he was
kidnapped attacked, and you know, they ordered pizza which got
him to the property. Now, was he a part of it?
Did he know about it? And there's been some evidence
that's come forward that indicates that yes, he was aware
of what was going on, but that he also thought
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it was a fake bomb, not a real bomb anyways,
So if you yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
They told him it was a fake bomb, so he figured, okay,
no big deal, and then his head blow, right.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
And most of his family wants to state that no,
he wasn't a part of it, And I got that.
Nobody wants to believe that their loved ones would do
something as silly as this. And the whole purpose for
this robbery was to steal this money to pay a
hired gun to kill Margery Deil Armstrong's father so she
could collect as an ieritance. And this woman, she's as
loony as the day is long. She's already killed boyfriends
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and now she's killed another boyfriend that she gets. She
talks an old boyfriend, Rostein, into hiding in his freezer
at his house.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I don't even know what's going on with these people.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I can't even pretend to under stand another way. Right, So, this,
this individual clearly had the capability to do all of
the designing of the bomb. So evidently the bomb was
designed at Rostein's house. He put the entire thing together.
Marjorie deal Armstrong admits to giving the timers the two
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kitchen timers to place inside of the bomb, and of
course we now have them arguing, well, Rostein died before
he could even be arrested and convicted. Marjorie deal Armstrong
basically went up river for it. I believe Floyd stocked
and had been found culpable of some of it and
has also been convicted and is doing some time. And
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Kenneth Barnes, I don't know to what degree he ended
up in the middle of it, but he was the
hired gun hired that was going to be hired to
kill Armstrong's father and all of that.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Failed either way.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I just thought that in the end, when she completed
this profile of this individual, and she didn't really know
a lot of the facts behind the case. So as
I sat and listened, I knew more about the facts
of the case than she did, and all she knew
was is eventually, three or so years later, when they
actually stumbled across Rostein, he was a complete match to
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all of these items in that profile. Now she has
indicated though that there could be several people who match
these profiles. So while she gave this profile this is
what we're looking for based on the handwriting, wouldn't necessarily
allow us to convict an individual of a crime simply
because they carried these attributes with these characteristics, because we
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don't know that they'd act upon it. Whereas after they've acted,
after they've done the bad deed based on the handwriting
and what she profiles will match the person that they're
looking for, and that is in fact what happened in
this particular case.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
So when she.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Gives a profile, as she's indicated, she did a profile
on another individual that was brought to her by a
female and I'm not really cool. I think I know
who she's talking about. I'm not exactly or she said
that the individual has the similar profile to the Zodiac
and therefore they submitted this man's DNA to the FBI,
but she indicates that they have not heard anything back.
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Once again, resonating is the fact that she said more
than one person can match these profiles. So while this
individual may have been a killer, doesn't necessarily mean that
he was the Zodiac. And when we started discussing age
and timeframe, she rationalized that the individual that she had
just turned over to the FBI would have only been
in his twenties during the Zodiac stuff. And I said
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that's too young. Yeah, too young, because when we back
that up another three or so years to share a
Joe Bates, it makes him even younger.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
You know, we're eighteen nineteen somewhere around there.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So I think that maybe even then, and she said,
I'm an open book and I will keep that door
open because just because we said, yes, these characteristics are
consistent with the Zodiac profile doesn't necessarily make him the Zodiac.
So we're going to be doing all of this in
hopes to show that jack A is a good profile match.
As we've all indicated, he has every capability that we're
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looking for to be the Zodiac. He has every opportunity,
he has every proximity, and he has every bit of
training that is necessary. And now we'll see how it
fares out and what she thinks. By the time we're
done with that, I'm just overly excited. H Now, I
still haven't seen let me see, maybe I got a
text from her.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I asked her if she's on today, and quite frankly,
she was texting me yesterday telling me she was working
out getting Megan Walsh to come on our episodes next
week possibly. But and now I guess I'm left to
go over and not understanding the information she sent me
because she is not here.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
During and give her a little more time.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Well, no, this entire week was predicated on the information
that she gave me from the Walsh files because we're
following up that.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Man, Hi, there's nothing more.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
May he were a little recapt synopsis on the wall situation?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
He was it was his son Adam that was killed,
right and correct. It was in Florida that had happened
from a shopping center or some kidnap duck there or something.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yes, absolutely, And there's a couple of stories. And one
of the more recent docuseries I just watched, they had
indicated that, oh gosh, I'm going to lose her name,
Missus Walsh, John Walsh's wife, Revet I think her name is,
had indicated that he he had gone missing in sears
with her, whereas every bit of information up to that
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point had indicated she dropped him at a arcad arcade,
yeah video arcade, and then proceeded to go to her
shopping and then he had purportedly been kicked out with
a bunch of other kids from the arcade, forced to
go outside.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Of the mall and basically was a from there. So
he was not yet.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
No, No, I think he was right. He was too
young to be thrown in an arcade full of you know.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Old kids.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, at least in my mind, I mean,
I know that's the mom. I know nineteen eighty one
is a different era, right, we're not talking about today
as we rationalize what that's why. Ah, and we and
we came home when the light street lights came on, right,
I mean we were off running a mock doing whatever,
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and our parents had no clue where we were and
what we were doing. Uh. And when we got home,
we got home, but we better be home for dinner
and we better be flown before it's dark. That was
really kind of our limitations.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
To the malls and arcades on our own without even
our parents.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Right exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, and back in the day when somebody could actually
maneuver the.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Bus system, we had the whole town. Yeah, the town.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
We went all right, right, my hotel, well, I'm for
and the whole town is all of five miles wide,
so that bussing system was super easy to get down. Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Napa Oh now.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Okay, wow, so you're real close to.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yes, yes, I was very close.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And that's what makes this also surreal, Like especially knowing
that the Zodiac made that phone call from First Street
in Napa, because that's where I'm originally from, That's where
I grew up. That's where I was raised.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Lake very Essa was a place that I frequented consistently
with my uncle. And it turns out that but I
wasn't actually born until nineteen seventy three, so four years
after the fact, I wasn't really aware of the Zodiac,
and I was a little too young for all of
the hubbub about you know, killing children off of a
bus and all of these other things that were going on.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
And that's that's what made the two thousand.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
And seven movies so unique to me, is because while
I'm watching it, I didn't relate it to a real
true story, and I thought to myself, at the end
of it, these people were stupid. I would have solved this.
I would have figured out, Oh, that's just my naivete, right.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
My first were Zodiac when at the.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Timesh felt and my using stayed with some cousins in
San Jose and they had a younger sister and they
were all afraid of the Zodiac.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
That's how I first found out about it.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
They were especially afraid for their sister because you know,
most of the time the women were young women were
getting killed. And what year was that, That was probably
sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Oh, Okay, so in the heart of it, yeah, yeah, no, no,
it was still going on at that time.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, and we were not far from the Bay area, and.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I was just going to say, by seventy seventy one,
he'd actually entered our area. So while they're still scared
the Bay Area, he's actually, you know, here in our
area and the Sacramento, the South Lake Tao area, the
you know, more in our proximity at that point in time.
So these people are fearing over here, but we're really
the ones that should have been scared, and we had
no knowledge.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
What's between the San Jose and uh zeb or very.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Essa exactly exactly right.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Fairfield.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
It was almost that you could see his trail that
he was leaving behind as he's exiting the Bay area
and coming back towards the Sacramento area. We start to
see letters to Fairfield to you know, other other entities
outside of Sacramento became one of the places that started
receiving letters from this psycho.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
So after you crossed the bridge coming up from San Jose,
after you passed Non Diablo, and I think, yeah, I
think before you could take sixty eighty or Fairfield or
seven eighty to Blejoe.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Right, yeah, six eight Martinez Benetia right right, right, right, right. Well,
one of the things that Lindsay had sent me is this,
And I'm not sure what to make of it, because again,
like I said, I had hoped that she was going
to be here. She knew I was putting this stuff together,
So something must have happened. It's some type of indicator
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of a regional organized crime information center.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
To see is where it's pointing to right.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
And I I don't feel I feel like there may
have been a communication written to Tennessee, but I really do.
I can't. I think it might be a communication we
haven't actively seen, and it might have just been an
address that I saw on the FOYA files. But interesting
to note, regional organized crime information center.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Well in Texas and Florida and all the southern states.
So it's pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, well it's if it's collectively all of these areas
go to this one particular office. I'd say this one
particular office was fully overloaded.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
And we have murders and obductions and all kinds of
weird crimes in all those areas Texas, Georgia, Florida. Yeah,
then you know, then we got the Kennedy assassination in Texas,
and a lot of connections New Orleans and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
And mob.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Well, and I think based on the letters that she's
sending me that that there is some theory that this
is revolving around a scare tactic having to do with Watergate,
which I had already recognized. The Atlanta, Georgia child killer cases,
the twenty six or so murdered children in Atlanta, Georgia
were occurring at the same time the Watergate investigations were
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going down. So I kind of included that as the
this this is our distraction, We're going to you know,
hyper media media, uh, cover this particular serial killer that's happening,
keeping people off the streets, you know, give them, give
him something to fear, worry and and and think about
(33:22):
versus what's really happening in politics.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
And then I'm sorry and blame it on a single
individual when I think it's definitely more than one person involved.
And I don't even know if Wayne Williams killed anyone,
but he was peripherally involved.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Well, and I think that there had been some connection
made between him and Bob Crane, that he had either
interviewed him, I guess he was some type of yeah, yeah, yeah,
some type of a home podcaster before podcasting was a thing,
(34:00):
right right, investigating things. So of course, you know, if
they want to, like I said, if they want to
break you, they will break you. And of course he
ended up being the main Yeah, the scapegoat or the attention.
Although I think that they had indicated he had in
fact literally killed somebody, but it was an adult, not children,
and who knows if he actually killed the adult. I
(34:21):
don't get enough information on these to understand what evidence
they had against the individual, especially when they plea him out,
like James DeAngelo, the Golden State killer. Would you plead
them out? How are we going to be satisfied as
the public that this is the person you're looking for
if you don't get, if we don't get to understand
what the evidence was against the individual.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, happens all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Well, here is one of the letters that Lindsay had
sent in on the anumwash files. This was something that
she located in the many FOYA files. She said, there're
thousands and thousands of page, thousands and thousands of pages,
which I would assume, yes, they're likely is because again
this is still an unsolved crime. But some of these
letters were extremely interesting and a little confusing at the
(35:06):
same time. But here goes everything. This letter starts out,
congratulations on your poor police diplomacy, and poor is underlined,
so they're really trying to hit home that they mean
this Adam Walsh suffered, not you, And of course I can't.
(35:26):
You can't really read except for the word are you
at the underline or at the next line underneath this,
so I just placed question marks. It says Adam was
dead only two to three days forensics. No, a head
decomposes in water, especially when it's a bloody mess being
fed on by water creatures. You try very hard to
please the public, try telling the truth instead of using
(35:50):
a police cover up. You are full of shit and
that is underlined. And I'm not going sure what they
mean again. I'd hope that Lindsay would be here. She's
the one that understands what this means to the case
in regards to a police I mean, they found his head, right,
so where's the police cover up? At this point?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Didn't we touch on this letter before? Like last week?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I started to try and read it, but it was
so complicated to read. I didn't want to sit here
and try to fight through what the words were, so
I went back and I deciphered all the language. Next
paragraph says, I hope this crocodile language wakes you up.
You are nothing special. Adam is quite a man. He
makes his father look three months old. It's a miserable
(36:36):
way to and it's either even or learn payment to assholes.
I again don't understand what the theory is that this
individual is indicating, other than maybe they're indicating that this
was payment for something John Walsh has done and that
(36:57):
the police are covering it up and in dedicating that
it was just a random kidnapping and murder of this
little boy.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I don't know. Next page says.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Find out, Oh to even learn payment to assholes? Two assholes?
Find out what happened. Police should be more sensible than
sacrificing a six year old child. Now that the status
custody of Adam, you can do some investigating. I don't
approve of the way Adam had to meet death. This
sounds like the murder company Adam kept with was on
(37:32):
barbituates with no rational thinking. Adam was a little friend
to me and his boyhood should not have ended with
camp Water police can be I don't know what the
word is, try a police hook or a police hook
or book and then the word think, and of course
(37:55):
it says over. And then I couldn't really read most
of this third page simply because it's not complete. It's
partially cut off. There are a few words that I
can determine, but a lot of it did not allude
to a full sentence that I could make any sense
out of. So it looks like this comes from a
John Kesser and or Sam Martin. I hope this helps
(38:19):
you or I hope this helps your investigations. It looks
like and then it is signed off, but I can't
again tell who signed off on it. So this is,
I guess, a just a letter of discontent with the
way the police handled this particular case. I would think
that you'd be more discontent with the way John Wallah
(38:40):
handled the case, refusing the help of the FBI, not
wanting to even proceed with the lawsuit against Sears for
the untimely death of his son because he's afraid evidently
that his skeletons or whatever he's got hiding in his
closet or going to be revealed, and likely would have been,
(39:00):
because I believe the judge in that case was looking
to force him to discuss these issues that Sears was
bringing up about drugs and infidelity and all these other
things that were known to have been going on in
John's life during this time.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Was the arcade in Sears or in the mall?
Speaker 3 (39:18):
I think, I think you know your traditional mall is
typically the arcade is going to be separate. It's going
to be one of the first things that you pass
when you go in, because the whole goal is for
them to cause your children to beg you uncontrollably through
the entire mall process. Mom, Can I play a video game? Mom?
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Can I play video game?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Moment?
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I feel like it's going to.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Be one of those first places that you pass when
you go into the mall, and a great place to
drop your child off, so you can.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Go, yeah, that happens all the time you get a
little older, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Because that he got kicked out of the arcade, not
out of Sears.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
They're trying king to state that that exact well exactly,
so I'm not sure if Sears was the owner of
the mall at that particular time.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Sears used to be one of
our biggest department stores, and yeah, exactly, they've shut down
here at the at the Sunrise Mall quite some years ago,
and they're kind of being phased out, just like you
know Wards or Mervin's or any of these other used
to be big department stores. So I'm not quite sure
(40:32):
what this person is alluding to, other than the fact
that they don't believe whatever it is that they're being
sold at this point in time, maybe through the media
in regards to the case itself and what's going on.
And they they made a comment that I thought was interesting,
makes his father look like three months old, like he's
a baby, like his father's a baby. I was like,
(40:54):
you're in it's go ahead, no, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
He makes Adam seem like an.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Adult, right, and and that is that mature? And I
think there was a I thought, oh, Adam was a
little friend to me. So you've got an adult writing
about this six year old child.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, that's just bad.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Yeah, you slapped around and you know, violence against anyone,
especially women, But that's just wrong.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Well still now still know Lindsay All right, I'll strangle
her later as a serial killer would say, well, that
brings us to.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
That brings us to the next letter, which is from
Harold H. Bloom address withheld for your own safety, which
which I find extremely interesting. But we did hear a
little bit about Harold Bloom back when we were doing
the Adam Walsh case. Harold Bloom was listed as one
of the possible theories of what happened to Adam Walsh.
(42:12):
In a newspaper. He had indicated that he believed that
Adam Walsh was retribution for mister Bloom having outed Nixon.
I believe in the Watergate scandal. So that's why I
feel that he is trying to associate the happenstances of
the child murder with either a distraction or a harsh
(42:33):
warning to stop doing what he was doing against the
then President Richard Nixon. In regards to Watergate, he has,
I guess, attempted to contact FBI law enforcement. Now this
letter is actually written directly to the Walshes, so here
goes everything once again. This is written on April twenty eighth,
(42:57):
nineteen eighty two, and it says mister and missus j
On Walsh Hollywood, Florida. Dear mister and missus Walsh, I
wondered why, honestly he had to write that twice and
then Colan, which is something that I often saw the
zodiac use, as if he was starting some type of
(43:17):
complicated list, And it says, dear mister and missus Walsh Colan,
I know after all this time that you both are
as shocked as I am about your son Adam. If
I could, I would have and would now give my
life to have him return to you. I hope you
will not thank me a cruel man for what I
am about to disclose. Perhaps it will even help you
(43:39):
both at first, because it will be explained that your
son was not just picked up indiscriminately from the mall
and later murdered. It was for a definite purpose that
I'm sorry to say is myself. Many times I have
started to write this letter and failed to complete it.
(44:00):
Know if this time will let me complete same, because
it is most difficult. Adams and he a lot of
times he didn't even spell Adam Adam's name correctly. He
certainly never aposh apostrophe s for ownership.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
He really just wrote it.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Out and a lot of times he didn't, even, like
I said, capitalize the first letter of Adam's name, but
he proceeds to hyphen again, quite like something we seen
with the zodiac, where he's segmenting ideas based on a hyphen.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Rather than a comma.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
But adams murder was a political assassination. That may seem
strange for you to read this, and I know that
you will be bewildered by such a facts. What in
God's name would make someone make such an absurd statement
a six year old boy political murder question mark? But
the letter does not stop here like it did all
those times before. That's what makes it so difficult to write.
(44:59):
In the of the Vero Beach, Indian River County law enforcement,
it is a well known fact that it was a
political killing. It is also a known fact to the Hollywood,
Florida detectives, mister Hoffman and Hickman. This reason is probably
why you were never told the truth about your son's murder,
because we both know the reason the party is responsible
(45:20):
and know it would be impossible to prove in a
court of law. Adam was abducted July twenty seventh, murdered
sometime shortly thereafter, and his head was held for deposit
on the bank of a canal to be placed there
and found on the date of August tenth. It was
a death warning to me that my children and unseen
grandchildren would also be dispatched if I continued to resist
(45:41):
those that I have been in deadly combat. They're deadly
combat with for the past fourteen years. August tenth, nineteen
seventy four was the reason for August tenth, nineteen eighty one.
I'm going to have to do some research into this,
and I was hoping that Lindsay would give us some insight.
Maybe she's already done that research. But it goes on
(46:01):
to say this was the day that, through my effort,
a president resigned his office. Adam's murder was sandwiched in
between two other equally brutal murders in Vero Beach in
that time period, and I need to research that to
find out what murders he's talking about. Do not be
angry at the Hollywood PD, because they tried to solve
this case and were heartbroken as much as I am.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
And then a word I couldn't read.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
They know that to tell you that it would do
no good, It would only deepen your sorrow. When I
first contacted the Hollywood PD, they thought perhaps that I
was some kind of nut. The follow up letter to
crime stoppers, and I think that's what he meant to write,
but I don't think he knew the entire name of it,
so I think he stopped at crime stop question mark.
Channel seven TV provided let me stop this phone?
Speaker 4 (46:55):
What's that now? Wrong number? Okay, good, it says.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Channel seven TV provided another and another contact with the
HPD prior to mister Hoffman and Hickman coming to Vero
Beach to meet with me in person. On one such
phone call to mister Fred Barbett that after they he
had read my information, his comment was, we always thought
it was a mob hit. We just didn't know why. Two.
(47:26):
While I'm quoting, I shall quote Detective Hickman at the
Vero Beach meeting, and he I could see was heartbroken
and under a great emotional stress.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Think what this.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Would do to the country, almost like he was talking
to himself instead of me. That statement often ran in
my rang in my ears. Then I thought, what the
hell wasn't it Adams country? To how they do how
could they do such a vicious thing?
Speaker 4 (47:54):
And think that oh it.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
And think that by their being, position and power, get
away with it. It will take some time, but Adam's
death will with the aid of many people, the truth
will come out and those who kill women and children
especially will be branded forever. Very interesting statement, women and children,
because the zodiac has made that statement. He's like he's
(48:22):
it's like he's fingering down the individuals that are involved
with all of this stuff, not only to the what's
that interesting? Not only to the public, but to their
own personal families as well. When I can, I shall
deliver this to your office in Hollywood after finding your
address in the city directory. I was once a millionaire
(48:44):
by but that's been expended long ago. Towards the end,
I will have to await funds to make it down there.
This has been one of their most and I couldn't
read the words to keep me from working. Thus broke,
but I survived to defeat these powerful people by the
grace of heal something in a way, mister Barbett's I'd
like to figure out who this is. Statement was correct,
(49:06):
and in a question they they are wrong.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Again.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
An undecipherable word killed Adam, not the mob, but they
are interconnected. I no longer could maintain in my Vero
Beach apartment. So basically he's saying there's an interconnection between
the mob and the individuals that he's attempting to out
in this letter, which I believe is the political side
of it. But they are interconnected, and you're dumb to
believe anything otherwise. In my Vero Beach apartment and have
(49:34):
moved into a friend's condo in Fort Pierce. For that reason,
I shall not leave you my address in Fort Pierce.
Just rest assured that we are working on it at
a very high plane. Meanwhile, Adam's death may well be
the one that breaks their vicious conspiracy and deepest sympathy forever.
Harold H. Bloom, Fort Pierce, Florida two. There is a
almost a pss an innocent ad lib to me by
(49:57):
Hans Freeman of CNN at least terrified these people into
Adam's death. They had to do something drastic at once
or be exposed. What about the statement of Barbara Walters
in San Francisco is what I believe that says there
at the end. So there are some interesting connections that
I'd like to discuss. We've pretty much run out of
time at this point, Nolan, thank you for being here.
(50:18):
I hope everybody has a wonderful weekend and we will
see you all next Friday to discuss this letter.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Thank you having good weekend.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Thank you,
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