September 12, 2025 • 50 mins
More Walsh connections led us to interesting people based on Lindsay’s research which takes us into a direction very familiar. Meanwhile, Jack is frolicking all over the place while separated from Nora. Once they get back together, the move is back on and seems to follow more gruesome unsolved murders. Is it a coincidence that Jack seems to be following them or are they following Jack?
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
I'm going to start by welcoming to the show. Nolan
del Campo, good morning, everybody, Good morning, and then Lindsay mcbrair,
good morning, good morning. Wow. Have we had like one
(01:12):
of the most chaotic weeks that, like MARKA could have
ever seen right right that, I definitely was manic on
a couple days, just in shock. I felt like it
was nine to eleven all over again this week, just
kind of rolling over the thoughts in your head, moving
on autopilot, not really sure what's going on around you.
(01:36):
Definitely scary for society in general. I did want to
start out with obviously we are on nine to twelve,
which is the day after nine to eleven, So of
course I wanted to read a couple things that kind
of moved me this week in light of the events
of Charlie Kirk. And I don't know if you guys
have heard of the Irena Karuska event that in North Carolina,
(02:01):
And of course Charlie Kirk is really kind of taking
the forefront in the media, and the IRENA's Rootska case
is a little bit more downplayed. But I do have
some friends that posted information, so I quickly looked up
some of that stuff last night. Now, I'm going to
start by saying it's not that I necessarily agree with
everything that Charlie k Kirk had to say, but he
(02:24):
didn't deserve to die as most people are kind of
you know, talking about right now, one of the things
that I saw from yesterday was a concert that Jelly
Roll participated in. Now, this Big Teddy Bear, I think
I just love him because the messages in his songs
are great. Are both familiar with Jelly Roll?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Oh yeah, I love him, love him a couple.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Of his songs.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Okay, so it says last night in Nashville, Jelly Roll
delivered a moment so powerful left an entire stadium breathless
in the middle of his set, just as the music
thundered and the lights blazed, he suddenly stopped holding the
micro phone closed. His voice rang out across the crowd,
asking everyone to join him in a one minute moment
of silence for Charlie Kirk and the innocent lives lost
(03:09):
on nine to eleven. Then silence. More than twenty five
thousand people stood still, no cheers, no music, only reverence.
A single minute passed, heavy with sorrow, yet radiant with unity.
When the silence ended, Jellyroll lifted his voice, soft at first,
then rising strong. He began to sing God Bless America.
The crowd erupted, tens of thousands of voices soaring together,
(03:31):
filling the night sky with a chorus of hope and pride.
American flags waved high, tears streamed down faces. What had
been silence became a tidal wave of song, spirit, and
unbreakable togetherness. Jellyroll didn't just pause a concert. He transformed
it into a sacred tribute, a reminder of loss, resilience,
and the grace of a nation standing as one now
(03:53):
that almost wanted to bring me to tears because it
reminds me of things like Bob Marley, Elvis press Lee,
John Lennon. Oh gosh, I forgot the next person's name,
those that could bring the masses together, basically that their
lives were ended early. And of course jfk Yes, anybody
(04:15):
who could bring and unite us seems to have been
taken away from us at one point or another. And
when I was reading about the Charlie Kirk stuff, it
had mentioned that he may possibly have been our next
president at some point, that he may have been being
groomed for this, that he had a good shot for this.
So of course that always takes me back to what
(04:37):
we see happening in these presentations, where they can make
and they can break you. There was a couple other
things that I wanted to read off here, and one
of them was another statement or another posting by an
individual that says they want you split left versus right,
red versus blue. It's the oldest trick in the book.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Divide, distract into power while lives are lost in grief
is real. Don't mistate tragedy for tribal loyalty. No politician
is your friend. They serve power, not people grieve. The
human cost question, the narrative and refuse to be weaponized
that rope as well.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
One of my more recent friends, who is the drummer
for the Young Dubliners, posted, I miss nine twelve and
here we are on nine twelve. He said, I would
never ever want another nine to eleven, but I missed
the America of nine to twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Stores ran out.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Of flags to sell because they were being flown everywhere.
People were Americans before they were upper or lower class,
Jewish or Christian, Republican or Democrat. We hugged people without
caring if thinking it should play over nineties on nine
to twelve. What mattered more was what united us than
what divided us.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Goose bumps. God, So I would like to just take
a couple seconds of silence here for the nine to
eleven events and the anniversary that occurred yesterday. All right, Yeah,
(06:18):
little tears in my eyes, me too, right, I just
I'm Awestrack.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I was in third grade.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Oh wow, I remember.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
I remember in the classroom we were listening to the
radio because my teacher had a boombox and we were
listening to all that going on.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
You no, thank god.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
That's where he was. He was in an elementary.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
School, yeah, right, and the right and then that followed
by the anthrax attacks, which occurred I believe September eighteenth,
and for maybe the next following week these letters had
gone out, And of course it has been determined that
(07:06):
the anthrax mailings were not a fact or sacked like
it was led to believe in the letters, that it
was actually an American strain of anthrax, that the letter
was written by an American just went over. Well, I
haven't gone over the profile of that yet. I'd hoped
to have that available today for the graphology part of
(07:28):
the actual letters that were written by the author, but
we will get to that and probably more likely once
we enter that realm in two thousand and one. Either way, real.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Quick, before I wanted just to mention that one of
the first people that was in the media reporting on
nine to eleven was John Walsh, and he covered the
entire special that night or that day at the next
day that was on NBC, that two hour special of
(07:59):
that if you guys remember, it's still out there.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I actually have a copy of it.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
And he covered the entire two hours of that special
that he did right after.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Right, and that was I guess a lot of disinformation
as well. We weren't certainly meant to have the truth
of that. We may not even be alive when that
information is finally released. Kind of like MK, we're never
going to get the full truth of now you other, No,
you certainly not, and interestingly enough that you make that statement.
Of course, we're trying to We're trying to show this
(08:32):
cross connection of him doing the Zodiac with Tom Voyd
and Bart Baggett, and then the Zodiac reaching out to
both Tom Void and to John Walsh, the circle that
this or that connects these things together. And I think
that when I skipped across the Anthrax mailings during my
examinations of all of these cases, I was kind of
(08:56):
throwing around the theory at that point in time that
Jack had recently been turned into the FBI in two
thousand and that in two thousand and one, if he
was called back to duty to do something like this,
it was probably in exchange for living out the balance
of his life. It's kind of the way I felt. Yeah,
So I do think that correct, Correct, That's what they do.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
That's how they treat the CIA informosts too.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
You in my conversations with the guy that did the
profile on the anthrax mailings had indicated that many of
these these scientists were kind of a little tweaked out
in the minds themselves, and you know, like likely suspects.
And I think that she even alluded to the fact
that she believed that Bruce Ivery's was a good suspect
for it. But I think that we can see that
(09:50):
he and she may not know all of the backstory. Again,
she even though she's done the profiles, she's not researched
the cases like I have done. And and when she
makes the comment that she believes that he could possibly
be the one, it kind of floors me because he
(10:12):
when the FBI came out and tried to close the
case on him, I believe was twenty thirteen, and Congress
came back a week later and did a press conference
saying that you're not closing the case on Ivans. He
doesn't match the m O, the handwriting doesn't match. There
was no real solid evidence to show her support that
he was. It was just speculation and circumstantial. But that
(10:35):
to me showed me that Congress cared more about solving
the case than closing the case. Yes, one percent so,
and that may not be something that she knows or understands.
So when she says to me that she believes he
was a good suspect for it, he may have been.
And if scientists are all a little quirky, they may
(10:59):
very well have some of these graphological traits that says
they could. But the difference again is between whether or
not you step over that line and actually do it correct.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Just a brief aside.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
You know, the Sacramento be was when the leading publications
in the country to do a big investigation on the
anthrax and they were of the P and L.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It wasn't for sure, it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Ivans right, And of course the talk here around town
in Sacramento was, and I remember it vividly, people saying
that that's the Zodiac's writing. And I thought, you guys
are all nuts, Like you can't really be talking about
the Zodiac. He's a serial killer from forty years ago.
What in the world would he have to do with this?
(11:43):
And then lo and behold, through the research that I've completed,
it shows that he can be a likely suspect and
one should look at that. And if you think about
the mo of a serial killer who starts with baby
steps and children, weak women, older women, and then moves
his way into couples with males involved, and then trickles
(12:05):
back down to children and then before we know it,
into anthrax. It would be the perfect progression and evolution
of a serial killer to then in his end days,
be able to perpetrate the continuance of killing people, but
in a method that's less evasive to him.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
A participant in the overall scheme.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
I think that other people involved in connected and high places,
it's another crime they don't really want solved.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That's why they always want to pin it on a
loan person.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And they today ye Otis like Otis O'Toole and Henry
Lee Lucas. So there's no coincidence that we're about to
climb back into the John Walsh connections that Lindsay has
provided and that these two individuals happen to have been
part of a major conspiracy to close hundreds of cases
(12:56):
across the United States on somebody who didn't actively commit
those crimes, and the push to get public to believe that.
And in the end we figured it out, which this
is why these suspects fell to the wayside, because we
did figure it out as Americans are, we are pretty
smart and if we do remember the past, which I
think most people fail to because they're so busy with
(13:16):
everyday life. But when you do remember the past and
you put those pieces together, you start to recognize where
all of it is coming from. Yeah, all right, so
we left off.
Speaker 8 (13:28):
At yeah for sure, right, focus on one guy to
be the wrong eye and then be distubborn to admit
you were wrong exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
And it is true that age does provide.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Wisdom and uh, you know, being able to understand things more.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
And history is narrated by the individuals who want America
to believe what they want us to believe. I remember
growing up always thinking that Christopher Columbus founded America, right,
and that knows has long since been dispelled.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
But they're still teaching it there.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
And there's a good portion of the population that thinks
lead Rby Oslod was alone assassin right right.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, Well, without the time to be able to research
and dive into these things, that makes it nearly impossible
for most to even you know, claim on board with
the truth.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
It's well, and then the way that I do it,
the way that I have.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Tried to do it, and have continued is each year,
each grade that you know my daughter.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Goes into because my son just got he just got
Starter school this year, so you know, first the first
year doesn't really matter, but that first grade is where
I started to Okay, what'd you learn today?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
What'd you learn in history? What'd you learn in science?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
And then breaking those things down for her each year
has really made her understand things way more and be
able to discern what is true.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And what is not.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Even though she's been taught something, she's been able to
break it down herself. At this point, she's in six
sixth grade now and that and she'll come home and say, well,
this is what we learned it. I know that's not
true because we know such and such like literally and
I have. I'm going to continue to do that because
it has literally helped her break things down and have
(15:20):
that discernment for her own self to think and say
and question things like no, this is not this can't
be you know what I mean? And then later on
in her life she's going to appreciate that and be
able to put things together so much easier and be
able to discern so much like it's.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Nothing correct and is she learning cursive writing. Yes, absolutely,
one hundred percent. The best thing you can do for
your children is to ensure that they learn cursive whether
your schools are teaching it or not. It teaches the
brain to work in a diversified pattern that allows it
to think five steps ahead, and so removing that from
(15:56):
the school system is really dumb down the population of
a couple decades. Actually, because it went out in about
ninety six, we're starting to see it slowly but surely
roll back in. So thank you for that. All right,
So back to the murders. On April eighth, nineteen ninety two,
we had Robin Fuldauer in Indianapolis show shoe store clerk.
(16:18):
This is part of the ICE seventy murders. I did
put in there that I need to research these murders
because I've not done any research on them, but it
is in the general location. We have April eleventh of
nineteen ninety two, Patricia Majors or Patricia Smith in Wichita,
Kansas at a bridal shop. We know that there is
a relation to Kansas for Jack shot after being pushed
(16:40):
into the back room. Again, it's part of the I
seventy murders, and it seems to follow suit with these
little shop murders as I'm going to call them, because
we saw the yogurt shop murders that occurred in Texas.
When Jack has left Nora, or maybe Laura left him,
I don't know the story. Either way, they've separated, Jack
is back in Texas and we start to see this
(17:01):
series of little shops and murders that are occurring in them.
So in the after so it says he's shot after
being pushed back into a room Patricia was, but that
the suspect let a witness go after being seen, and
it was a male customer. So I do think we
owned that last week. But and then on April sixteenth
(17:22):
and nineteen ninety two, we had the murder of a
Hispanic woman named Maria Carmen della Strada. Now this has
been identified as being killed by Anthony Allan Shore. There's
reference to a partner named Alan in the Oakland County Childbirders.
We know the relation that they tried to make between
Arthur Lee Allen and the Zodiac. So it made me
wonder whether or not this Anthony Allan Shore was an
(17:45):
acquaintance of Jacks, because he happens to be in the
same area, and in the two thousand and five finale letter,
the author mentions that he's not the only person who's
killing in Texas at this time, that there's somebody else
that is killing the Hispanics and the Oriental. So it's
definitely something to ponder. So this has been brought into
(18:06):
the display because Jack recognized, like I said, this killer
in two thousand and five. I believe that the confession
letter to Tim Miller is from Jack. I will still
maintain that Tim Miller checked back in with me about
a year and a half, almost two years ago to
find out whether or not. I still believe that Jack
was the Zodiac, which I then confirmed once again realizing
that he had taken out a case against his primary
(18:27):
suspect and one for a wrongful death suit. I think
that he was very much so questioning his own acts
against this individual as the possible killer of his daughter.
So if he's questioning it, then that tells me that
he is not solid on the answers that he needs
to feel satisfied about what occurred to with his daughter.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
So you're saying a civil suit against as a suspected
killer but was convicted in a criminal case.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
He know, he was not convicted in a criminal case,
was a civil suit for wrongful death and he won
something like I think fourteen million. Dog Clyde his name
was clydeof I'd have to go back to it to
see if you look at the guy. I mean, he
doesn't look worthy of a pot.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
He was like a neighbor or something.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, he was somebody on the street that she used
to walk on and she said he just creepy. Yeah,
but Kah doesn't brought a line of murderous. So yea again, Now,
these I think that a lot of the things that
you provided me this last week, but I email are
things that we have gone over before. But I always
feel like it's worth repeating. Since we're just now coming
(19:40):
off of the letters of the Scorpion issues, and I
noticed that we had in here. I think that this
one was where we had discussed this first article was
where we discussed the theory of him working for or
not wanting to transport drugs for the Bahama cartel. Correct. Yeah,
(20:03):
so when we moved over into the Allen Riverbank ventures,
this is kind of Oh, John Denver, that was the
fourth name I meant to think of and Allen Riverbart
just kind of brought that into play. This particular article
talks about I believe him being in an airplane crash, correct, yeah,
(20:26):
small small.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Plane, Oh yeah, small.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
The one that had to went to identify the people
that crashed was John Monahan, and that was John's boss
at the Diplomat Hotel in Hollywood, Florida. Well one also
the one who identified Adam's head.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Right, And that's that connection. And it does state that
one of the victims was Monahan's twenty three years younger fiance,
So that is very much applausibility as to why he
was there to make identification was for her. But the
fact that she's on a plane with Alan Riverbank, Riven
Bank Bark, I can say his name, it's so odd.
(21:09):
It shows that connection that you were talking about and
the group that is intertwined there. Let's see. Oh so
he did. He claimed and identified six of the bodies,
excluding only a man with Japanese name who was thought
to be Riven Bark's bodyguard. He also made the arrangements
(21:30):
for dental records, and he kind of took charge of
the whole situation. So here again we have this individual
stepping in to control the situation, in which case I
think if it had been taken over by the proper authorities,
that would It's almost like scientology, where they handle their
own in house retributions. Yeah, so you know this crash
(21:51):
occurred where it said yeah, yeah, Rocky Mountains, Greenland reported so, yeah,
in Rocky Mountains, Colorado, Okay, and they.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Were, well, she's got yeah. I think you're about to
go over that form. I was about to say, what's that?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Now you you fill me in, because I really don't
know a lot about these connections.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
So these planes were suspected to be carrying drugs and
across different, two different areas.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
That's what I thought that I read. Oh yeah, okay,
so said Wayne Valentine, chief of DA's Denver office. It's
very likely possibility the plane was carrying cocaine from South
America to the United States. At the crash site, investigators
had found thirty handguns, a holster, one holstered to a
victim's leg, and fifty to sixty thousand dollars in cash
(22:46):
in the fresh snow. So they probably hustled there and
cleared the site given the opportunity to do so. Obviously
I did. I did want to Actually, this is exactly
kind of the scenario that occurred in the wrongful death
conviction of Peter Wilson that I've been discussing is that
the officers who showed up to do the forensics was
(23:09):
actually called by their supervisor and told to immediately return
instead of taking pictures of the scene, to immediately return
to the police station for some reason. So they're halted
in their acts of recording. Yeah, yeah, their investigation and
recording of the happenstances. And this is when I believe Meanwhile,
(23:31):
officer Yore removed that viole of blood, came back and
splashed it around the crime scene, called out to the
coroner to ask him to show up, but he doesn't
call him until six or seven o'clock at night, and
he tells him give it about forty five minutes before
you show up. And even when he shows up, he's
made to wait outside twenty to twenty five minutes until
(23:53):
they finish whatever it is they're doing. So this scenario
sounds exactly the same. You've got somebody who's controlling the
narrative of what's going to be known about this particular site,
and probably to collect their drugs before that's found, because
that's it's not saying the DEA believes it was very possible. Right,
(24:17):
here's any probably got them. That's why Monahan was sent
exactly exactly, all seven passengers die in a crash. So
this article, what did you find interesting about this one?
Speaker 6 (24:33):
So this is this another article that this is the
actual article that's talking about it, and that other that
other piece that I sent you was where that reporter
wrote about it in his book, and this is the
actual article about it.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Oh okay, So yeah, then this is here on the
screen for anybody to come back to and look at
at another point, but basically covers the items we were
just discussing. Now I know that we looked at this
because yes, yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
I love that the cost of that edition of the
newspaper was twenty five cents.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Oh yeah, and that's why they had to sell millions,
So the stories needed to be grand in order to
sell millions. Ah, Now this one, I know that we've
seen this article before, and of course it makes that
connection from mayer Lanski to Riven Bark, correct yep. And
(25:26):
of course that just brings everybody, Monahan, Riven Bark, everybody
into the mob realm as you have suggested, which ties
right back directly to John Walsh, who wanted Monahan to
to obviously control the investigation or even the identification of
his son. Is there anything else caught it?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
He called it? He called him his best friend in
his book.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Right right, But most people don't know about the background
that you've dug up. Have you talked Have you talked
any more to Meghan about being on the show? Yep?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I think she's about to be in a good place
where she can have a clear mind for everything.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
So she did.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, it would be good to hear from her. So
is there anything else? I see that there's a red
box around? Ogawa thirty two, a karate expert, was a
bouncer at Hollywood's Old for a Clock club. Before he
was hired, he had been using the name Kenji Bando
because he was a fugitive from Donya. Police charges Donya,
(26:28):
like Florida. Yeah, huh okay that he kidnapped and sexually
assaulted a nineteen year old prostitute. Agawa's former boss at
the four o'clock club, Mickey Rasso, also was charged in
the assault. Rauso was later convicted on lesser charges. So
(26:48):
it just.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Kind of gives you a picture of what was going
on during that time, and you could see how easy
it was to get away with these things, like when
you had all this other chaos.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
So it says, but for a stroke of fate, there
would have been eight victims. Hollandale hotel consultant John F. Monahan,
who said he had been negotiating with Rivenbark to promote
the ranch. Oh my god, every time you say ranch,
all I see, all I hear is Epstein was scheduled
to be on the flight but had to cancel at
the last minute because of other business. Uh Or he was.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
Told that this was the ranch that was in Colorado,
that I think that you were. You have you heard
said we were. We had talked about the ranch in
Mexico earlier. But those are actually two different ranches. So
this was actually a ranch that was very similar to
the one that uh Cia and different operatives were brought
to at different points for different reasons. That was in
(27:47):
Colorado or near Colorado, where that near the actual playing
side where that crash was.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
So that's where that's why I was. That's what the
ranches when in this article is talking about.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well, and I find it a little interesting. It says
he was scheduled to be on the flight, but probably
like insider training, he was forewarned. It reminds me of
one of the who was the individual or the very
rich person who climbed off the Titanic just before all
of that mess went down. Stroke of luck, he is
now the richest person because all the other rich people
went down with the boat.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
So real quick I missed it. How was Meyer Lanski
affiliated with this overall situation?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
That's how he has of him right there.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Yeah, so he had dealings with Alan riven Bark, which
was the which was another another cocaine dealer.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Okay, yeah name the names Lanski and Vesco were listed
in financial ledgers detailing millions of dollars in drug transactions.
Those ledgers were confiscated along with nine million worth of
marijuana when the shipment was intercepted near Jamestown, Rhode Island.
So there's a connection between Monahan and Landski and it
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looks like drugs or drugs and guns are surrounding that.
But as I go into this the little yellow box,
I found it even more interesting. It says he had
to cancel but after learning of the crash while in Denver,
so he's he's in Denver, he's in Colorado where the
plane goes down, but huh canceled taking that plane flight.
(29:29):
I find that a little astonishing happens, That's what I'm saying,
like insider training. While in Denver, Monahan, employer and fiance
of miss Stock, went to the crash site in Eagle, Colorado,
to assist with funeral arrangements for several of the crash victims.
(29:51):
So that that does make some interesting thoughts, right, some
theories there.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Well, and there we all know where all where my
Orlansky was involved in.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
He was all over the country.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah. Yeah. So now this next article said network piped
cocaine to d M. What is this one about?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Did I circle anything on here?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
No? You did not, And it looks to me like
it's kind of it. They busted these individuals. It has
somebody named Glinski as the supplier for the cocaine. Uh
later Ramsey's hook.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
It was DM stand for.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Pipe cocaine, Drug money. Okay, oh it's had on here.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah I did. I didn't have as a reliable stream,
but the price was high by Big Apple standards. It
was a flat out ripoff, especially for cocaine that was
not the best quality. Before it found its way to Low's,
somebody in New York had mixed it with a lookalike
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powder to boost profits. Glinsky was not satisfied with price
or quality of his supplies. Hostoled investigators then came a
fateful meeting in the Ames Bar. Della Haas John's roommate
and an Iowa State University drop out, met Thomas Romsey
through mutual friends early in summer of nineteen eighty six.
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They found themselves together at a party where friends snorted cocaine.
The two hit it off, and both men would later
wind up in prison. Tom Ramsey and his brother Michael,
who lived outside of Stratford, were connected to drug suppliers
in a big way. They had two I think this
was Iowa, right, that this was a group Desmoins, yeah yes,
(31:50):
des Moinese yeah yeah, so probably just another member of
the mob, part of the network, right, yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Movie drugs to go back in my things because I
had it highlighted in mine, but for some reason the
highlight didn't take when I sent.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
To you, right, And I'm trying to see if I
can just scan really quick to see it did mention
a John, and I'm not sure who the John is,
but John's roommate and Iowa State University drop out, so
they must tell us at some point who John is.
Well we figured out, oh, John Haws. So it it
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all had begun so simply for John Haws in nineteen
eighty three when he was working at Audio Labs as
story store.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Carlos Garcia was.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
A known person that was at the Diplomat. I do
know that I see that name in there.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Oh okay, the picture in corner, that's the Lensky.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
He was just one of the suppliers of the cocaine.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Okay, So somehow that was then made a connection to
I'm guessing Monahan. Yeah, Klenski's biggest customers, former tennis shop
operator Lester pearl Of in October. Yeah, this just goes
on into.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Okay, that tennis thing.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
They had an event at at the Diplomat for him.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
For that tennis player. Oh and that's who.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
And then John John Monahan is the one that ran
that ran that hotel, and John was John Walsh was
his manager.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
So gotcha. So it's just it's just basically making connections again.
And here's you've given like this nifty little article. This
is part of that article actually, and it shows the
connections from supplier importer. Uh, we're looking at New York,
New York, Brazil, Houston. Obviously Texas is back in the mix. Uh, Stratford, Iowa.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
They used to make these really good maps like this
in newspapers back in the day, and now you have
to make them yourself.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Ames West does Moines, does Moins, does Moines, does Moins.
But then it goes out to the dealers, and the
dealers range from does Moines Urbandale Bonderant. Looks like most
of this was all happening in the Iowa area. But
he's probably just one leg, right, I mean, honestly, so
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this is just.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Sharlie Like I like this map because it's showing you
in that one picture how it's how that triangle worked,
because it was right.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Remember the triangle.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
There's the connection to Brazil, the connection to Mexico, the
connection to New York. It looks like, yeah, that went
down to.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Is that the central connection on the left. Isn't that Chicago?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, it says Iowa. It's right close to Chicago. Yeah, Okay,
but that's evidently where this individual supplier was doesn't mean
that he wasn't supplying to other places but primarily out
taking care of this particular area. Looks like okay, detective
linked to suspect in the launch case. So this brought
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us back to otis O'Toole, And of course then they
find out that the evidence has been lost. But this
detective is actually linked to the purported suspect, and probably
in the same manner that the Texas Rangers were linked
to Henry Lee Lucas, and that was by way of
feeding them the information necessary for them to claim responsibility
for these murders so that these cases could be closed
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on the wrong suspect. So I think that's pretty much
what this amounts to, right, Oh, did we lose you?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
We lost her.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
She must have got a notification, but she went completely
off before her her little box stayed with her name
and she just the video went out. But here we've
lost her altogether. So yes, we did talk of a
little bit about O'Toole. Now in this next article, this
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is I think this is also in regards to Oh.
Actually this kind of names a whole bunch of people.
So this article that she sent me is kind of
the wrap up here says the group met the deadline
and came up with a plan that would be so
large in scope that if carried out to the most
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minute detail, it would become simple by its mere complexity.
The plan presented a called presented called for a second
airplane to be set up by the CIA. The first
was Flying Tigers. This was done and the airline was
named Overseas National Overseas National Airline. This airline, suddenly, without
(36:50):
yet having any aircraft, received the contracts for all civilian
carrier and military cargo into the Pacific RIM in Southeast Asia.
The master plan called for the CIA to enter into
the drug smuggling business in a total and complete fashion.
Each of the five planners would have his own field
to handle. Bush would be the secret head of ONA
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and handle all of the shipping of the drugs under
forged Waybells. Armitage would be the gopher for the group
and the intermediary with any undesirables. General Lansdale would handle
all the distribution network and collection services within the military
in Vietnam. William Colby was to handle the setting up
of all the manpower from runners, peddlers, pushers, collectors, and
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so forth, as well as the elimination of any who
might prove to be uncontrollable, be the American or Vietnamese.
Lieutenant Colonel Ferrera was to use his contacts in Latin
America and in the Middle East to obtain from various
governments the needed drug heroin, cocaine, marijuana, LSD, etc. Etc.
As ordered by Colby Bush was to handle the opium
(37:58):
from China and subject the addicts to the rehab at
Rehab near dot Me. The operation was given the name
of Eagle two at the request of Ferreira, for he
felt it would be lucky to have the same code
as the Eagle Project had participated in when he was
with the OSS. Now that's the Office of Secret of
(38:23):
Secret Security. Do I have that acronym right? OSS?
Speaker 9 (38:28):
I feel like that was the precursor the CIA.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
It existed during World War Two up until nineteen forty seven.
When the CIA was formed, the CIA basically took over
the duties of the OSS. So there was a guy
named William Bill Donovan that used to be the head
of the OSS's Wild built.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
And when did that makes sense? When when did you
say that the CIA was.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
Formed nineteen forty seven, but many of the CIA people
had been former OSS.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
People, right, and I think I tossed around at one
point the possibility of Jack being OSS or something from
that particular era. Now, she sent this across and I
couldn't rightly read it, but it is the It says
the most prolific serial killer in every state. I did
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read as well that the United States, for whatever unknown reason,
has the highest rate of serial killers in it. So
it was interesting to see this little breakdown of serial
killers from different states. However, I can't read the information
on it, so I was hoping that she was going
to be here for me to be able to ask
her whether or not she had a better version of this,
because once I blow it up, I can't read it.
(39:42):
And they've course got some unknown faces in here, so
that tells us that we've got somebody killing that they've
not identified. And it would be interesting to note if
these land in the states where we know Jack has been.
Either way, life, teamsters, mafia have freight packed. This was Oh,
(40:02):
maybe this is her telling me she has lost contacts.
I'm in just need one to let me in. One,
let her in, let her in. I can use her
right now. M oh, I see the message too. One,
(40:26):
can you let me back in? Where's one? Did you
take a potty break?
Speaker 7 (40:32):
Just that way? Is there?
Speaker 3 (40:33):
She is right side?
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Okay, Yeah, it kicked me out and I was waiting.
I was waiting for one to put me back in.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
But I guess you didn't see.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, No, you got to go back to the words.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
Well, yeah, that was a good compilation of those serial
killers that they you know, portray as as the ones
that are involved in these killings.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
And are you able to read are you able to
read the information on your end?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Oh? Let me No?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
No, no, I meant like in the article that you
have that you sent to me, not necessarily on you
can't read it on here because it doesn't it's to blurry.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Can't see.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I meant in general, on your version? Are you capable
of reading it from your end?
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah, the one that you have, Okay, okay. So basically
it would be interesting, as I was stating, to figure
out who these individuals are that are blacked out. They
do not have a picture for these individuals to know
who they're attributed to and what states, and whether or
not those were consistent with where Jack has been because
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we could place a face in there if we wanted.
Are you still with us, Lindsey, Yeah, I'm there.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
So the next one is the Life Teamsters Mafia have
air freight pack. So this article that you sent me,
can you explain to us why this one ended up
with us?
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Let me see.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, oh well, let me show you that the Teamsters
are all up in it, just like halfa uh now
half is dead already, right.
Speaker 9 (42:14):
So.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Yeah, I think he is.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
So it just goes that that that air, that air
that air I guess it says that air pact of
that air freight back to that triangle and kind of
shows you, like, like in that article you just read,
it links back to where the newspapers were reporting on
this kind of thing and nobody is paying attention to it.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
So c I a bush cocaine and the whole team
starts by saying Teamster union leaders have formed an alliance
with such well known mafia figures as John Johnny Dio
or Diogardi to seize control of the lucrative air freight industry,
which already is being plundered by an estimated fifty million
(43:00):
to one hundred million a year in cargo fess. Life
magazine reported Sunday lif SD the industry, which last year
produced revenues of close to one billion, was threatened by
a criminal incursion unmatched since prohibition. Cargo thieves have turned
airports into a plundering ground. Mobsters and labor racketeers have
(43:21):
infiltrated the air freight industry. The nationwide total was estimated
in a recent Senate investigation at between fifty million and
one hundred million, while mobsters have infiltrated legitimate companies in
the industry to steal from the inside as they monopolized
legal profits. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters is maneuvering for
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a nationwide collective bargaining agreement with the industry, which would
give the union the power to shut it down at
will with strikes life set. The vehicle for both the
BAFIA and the Teamsters is the National Association for Air Freight, Inc.
And Industry Trade Association. The Magaze Scene said its goal
is to become the exclusive nationwide bargaining agent with the
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Teamsters for the air freight industry. If that comes about,
the MOB through NAAF will be firmly established at all
major airports. Its spy system will be broadened and hijacking
and theft will increase. The most powerful man with NAA
f Anthony Hickey. I can't read his name on there,
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a soldier in the mafia of the late Vito Genevivees.
Speaker 7 (44:34):
Just for the record, Yeah, POFA was still alive at
that time. He disappeared in July nineteen seventy five, so you'd.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Think he was still alive in Oh, what is this?
So this okay, this is nineteen seventy one. I'm thinking
I'm in today's presence of nineteen ninety one, or not
today's presence, but the powerpoints presence of nineteen ninety one.
So yes, you're correct, this is back from seventy one,
says Teamsters and sh Fairman of the union's Airlines division,
met with the de Lorenzo that's his name and others
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in early nineteen sixty nine, and in June of that
year advised locals to step up recruitment of employees of
NAAF companies. The magazine said. A pivotal local in the
Teamsters campaign was two ninety five, which represents cargo handlers,
truck drivers, and other air freight employees at Kennedy International Airport.
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The local is run by its secretary Treasurer David or
Harry David Off fifty four, an old style tough guy,
labor racketeer and kick back expert with long criminal record.
So that's interesting. But I didn't see the mentioning of Bush, so.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
We're so it just kind of brings in all those
characters because and it's like too that up to the present,
and it actually pulls in Jack in there as well,
because that's during his you know, his prom Tom you
know of his killing with the sixty.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Nine years of Zodiac.
Speaker 10 (46:05):
I think.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
The Bush Senior was a senator from from Texas. Good
but it wasn't until seventy six that he became head
of the CIA. But that doesn't mean he didn't have.
Speaker 7 (46:18):
Connections prior to that, especially since his dad, Prescott Bush,
is deeply involved in a lot of the powerful mucky
MUCKs throughout the years.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Well yeah, one of the pictures that I saw at
the book Depository actually had young Bill Clinton and young
Bush in there. They were in the pictures at the depository,
and I always thought that was extremely interesting, is who
shuffled these kids off to this location following, you know,
(46:51):
the immediate assassination of the president. What in the world
are people thinking?
Speaker 2 (46:55):
And then they both became president later.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
That's crazy, it's insane. It's insane.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
It's not a coincidence. It's definitely not a coincidence.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
No, certainly not. Okay. Now that brings us to your
and we're at ten forty seven, so we've got about
two and a half minutes left here. But I did
put in your notes, and I think, yeah, I put
in your notes and it says the ranches in Colorado
is one for mobsters to go to. Alan Rivenbank, huge
mobster owned this ranch. Then here we see in Colorado
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that a plane carrying loads of cocaine crashes near this
mobster own ranch. And just so happened that, John Wanahan, Okay,
so that covers basically what we've already talked about. But
you've put together kind of a nice little chart flow
chart here you want to describe that to us.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
So it's just it's just how I connect This is
just like my evidence of my little scribbles of how
it connected all this together, you know, all the way
down to from the Cia to the Zodiac, to these cults,
to these to these Baffy to the.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Boffia, to the mob.
Speaker 6 (48:00):
How literally, like as that article just described the teamsters,
as we know that, and we can see that this
is definitely a team of people, and you know, and
then we have these writings of the Zodiac Jack constantly
throughout these years, and as we know that, we think
he's one of the writers.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
Whether after he stopped.
Speaker 6 (48:24):
The killings or you know, as he was still part
of that whole thing, it kept going and going.
Speaker 9 (48:32):
Well he had you got, you've got like you can't
leave you always, you're there for life.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
You put up here? Who is G. J. Schaeffer? Is
that's a question you've been looking to answer? Have you
answered that.
Speaker 6 (48:51):
It was one of the cops that they that he
was one of the serial killers. He was actually a
named serial killer if you look up, he was actually
a cop. So it's kind of shows you how the
law enforcement is involved in all this and how they
do know things and that they don't disclose.
Speaker 4 (49:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
And this is a nice, neat little flow chart here
as you're looking at it, it really kind of brings
everybody in Texas, Mexico, Florida Hand of Death finders called
Alistair Crowley cult members the Hand of Death, which included
Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole. It just goes on
and on. So I think this is interesting enough for
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everybody to be able to view. You can take a
look at it on your own time. That's pretty much
all the time we actually have for today. Is there
anything else you guys want to add or.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
We should be lucky my drive home.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
I wish you luck. Everybody, have a wonderful weekend and
we will see you next Friday. Take care of you, guys,
and thank you for.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Being sure the beast argument went well.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
Yeah, yeah, I'll I'll call you.
Speaker 10 (49:57):
Right, guys.
Speaker 9 (50:20):
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Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
I'm going to start by welcoming to the show. Nolan
del Campo, good morning, everybody, Good morning, and then Lindsay mcbrair,
good morning, good morning. Wow. Have we had like one
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of the most chaotic weeks that, like MARKA could have
ever seen right right that, I definitely was manic on
a couple days, just in shock. I felt like it
was nine to eleven all over again this week, just
kind of rolling over the thoughts in your head, moving
on autopilot, not really sure what's going on around you.
(01:36):
Definitely scary for society in general. I did want to
start out with obviously we are on nine to twelve,
which is the day after nine to eleven, So of
course I wanted to read a couple things that kind
of moved me this week in light of the events
of Charlie Kirk. And I don't know if you guys
have heard of the Irena Karuska event that in North Carolina,
(02:01):
And of course Charlie Kirk is really kind of taking
the forefront in the media, and the IRENA's Rootska case
is a little bit more downplayed. But I do have
some friends that posted information, so I quickly looked up
some of that stuff last night. Now, I'm going to
start by saying it's not that I necessarily agree with
everything that Charlie k Kirk had to say, but he
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didn't deserve to die as most people are kind of
you know, talking about right now, one of the things
that I saw from yesterday was a concert that Jelly
Roll participated in. Now, this Big Teddy Bear, I think
I just love him because the messages in his songs
are great. Are both familiar with Jelly Roll?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Oh yeah, I love him, love him a couple.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Of his songs.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Okay, so it says last night in Nashville, Jelly Roll
delivered a moment so powerful left an entire stadium breathless
in the middle of his set, just as the music
thundered and the lights blazed, he suddenly stopped holding the
micro phone closed. His voice rang out across the crowd,
asking everyone to join him in a one minute moment
of silence for Charlie Kirk and the innocent lives lost
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on nine to eleven. Then silence. More than twenty five
thousand people stood still, no cheers, no music, only reverence.
A single minute passed, heavy with sorrow, yet radiant with unity.
When the silence ended, Jellyroll lifted his voice, soft at first,
then rising strong. He began to sing God Bless America.
The crowd erupted, tens of thousands of voices soaring together,
(03:31):
filling the night sky with a chorus of hope and pride.
American flags waved high, tears streamed down faces. What had
been silence became a tidal wave of song, spirit, and
unbreakable togetherness. Jellyroll didn't just pause a concert. He transformed
it into a sacred tribute, a reminder of loss, resilience,
and the grace of a nation standing as one now
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that almost wanted to bring me to tears because it
reminds me of things like Bob Marley, Elvis press Lee,
John Lennon. Oh gosh, I forgot the next person's name,
those that could bring the masses together, basically that their
lives were ended early. And of course jfk Yes, anybody
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who could bring and unite us seems to have been
taken away from us at one point or another. And
when I was reading about the Charlie Kirk stuff, it
had mentioned that he may possibly have been our next
president at some point, that he may have been being
groomed for this, that he had a good shot for this.
So of course that always takes me back to what
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we see happening in these presentations, where they can make
and they can break you. There was a couple other
things that I wanted to read off here, and one
of them was another statement or another posting by an
individual that says they want you split left versus right,
red versus blue. It's the oldest trick in the book.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Divide, distract into power while lives are lost in grief
is real. Don't mistate tragedy for tribal loyalty. No politician
is your friend. They serve power, not people grieve. The
human cost question, the narrative and refuse to be weaponized
that rope as well.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
One of my more recent friends, who is the drummer
for the Young Dubliners, posted, I miss nine twelve and
here we are on nine twelve. He said, I would
never ever want another nine to eleven, but I missed
the America of nine to twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Stores ran out.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Of flags to sell because they were being flown everywhere.
People were Americans before they were upper or lower class,
Jewish or Christian, Republican or Democrat. We hugged people without
caring if thinking it should play over nineties on nine
to twelve. What mattered more was what united us than
what divided us.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Goose bumps. God, So I would like to just take
a couple seconds of silence here for the nine to
eleven events and the anniversary that occurred yesterday. All right, Yeah,
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little tears in my eyes, me too, right, I just
I'm Awestrack.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I was in third grade.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Oh wow, I remember.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
I remember in the classroom we were listening to the
radio because my teacher had a boombox and we were
listening to all that going on.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
You no, thank god.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
That's where he was. He was in an elementary.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
School, yeah, right, and the right and then that followed
by the anthrax attacks, which occurred I believe September eighteenth,
and for maybe the next following week these letters had
gone out, And of course it has been determined that
(07:06):
the anthrax mailings were not a fact or sacked like
it was led to believe in the letters, that it
was actually an American strain of anthrax, that the letter
was written by an American just went over. Well, I
haven't gone over the profile of that yet. I'd hoped
to have that available today for the graphology part of
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the actual letters that were written by the author, but
we will get to that and probably more likely once
we enter that realm in two thousand and one. Either way, real.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Quick, before I wanted just to mention that one of
the first people that was in the media reporting on
nine to eleven was John Walsh, and he covered the
entire special that night or that day at the next
day that was on NBC, that two hour special of
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that if you guys remember, it's still out there.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I actually have a copy of it.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
And he covered the entire two hours of that special
that he did right after.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Right, and that was I guess a lot of disinformation
as well. We weren't certainly meant to have the truth
of that. We may not even be alive when that
information is finally released. Kind of like MK, we're never
going to get the full truth of now you other, No,
you certainly not, and interestingly enough that you make that statement.
Of course, we're trying to We're trying to show this
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cross connection of him doing the Zodiac with Tom Voyd
and Bart Baggett, and then the Zodiac reaching out to
both Tom Void and to John Walsh, the circle that
this or that connects these things together. And I think
that when I skipped across the Anthrax mailings during my
examinations of all of these cases, I was kind of
(08:56):
throwing around the theory at that point in time that
Jack had recently been turned into the FBI in two
thousand and that in two thousand and one, if he
was called back to duty to do something like this,
it was probably in exchange for living out the balance
of his life. It's kind of the way I felt. Yeah,
So I do think that correct, Correct, That's what they do.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
That's how they treat the CIA informosts too.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
You in my conversations with the guy that did the
profile on the anthrax mailings had indicated that many of
these these scientists were kind of a little tweaked out
in the minds themselves, and you know, like likely suspects.
And I think that she even alluded to the fact
that she believed that Bruce Ivery's was a good suspect
for it. But I think that we can see that
(09:50):
he and she may not know all of the backstory. Again,
she even though she's done the profiles, she's not researched
the cases like I have done. And and when she
makes the comment that she believes that he could possibly
be the one, it kind of floors me because he
(10:12):
when the FBI came out and tried to close the
case on him, I believe was twenty thirteen, and Congress
came back a week later and did a press conference
saying that you're not closing the case on Ivans. He
doesn't match the m O, the handwriting doesn't match. There
was no real solid evidence to show her support that
he was. It was just speculation and circumstantial. But that
(10:35):
to me showed me that Congress cared more about solving
the case than closing the case. Yes, one percent so,
and that may not be something that she knows or understands.
So when she says to me that she believes he
was a good suspect for it, he may have been.
And if scientists are all a little quirky, they may
(10:59):
very well have some of these graphological traits that says
they could. But the difference again is between whether or
not you step over that line and actually do it correct.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Just a brief aside.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
You know, the Sacramento be was when the leading publications
in the country to do a big investigation on the
anthrax and they were of the P and L.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It wasn't for sure, it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Ivans right, And of course the talk here around town
in Sacramento was, and I remember it vividly, people saying
that that's the Zodiac's writing. And I thought, you guys
are all nuts, Like you can't really be talking about
the Zodiac. He's a serial killer from forty years ago.
What in the world would he have to do with this?
(11:43):
And then lo and behold, through the research that I've completed,
it shows that he can be a likely suspect and
one should look at that. And if you think about
the mo of a serial killer who starts with baby
steps and children, weak women, older women, and then moves
his way into couples with males involved, and then trickles
(12:05):
back down to children and then before we know it,
into anthrax. It would be the perfect progression and evolution
of a serial killer to then in his end days,
be able to perpetrate the continuance of killing people, but
in a method that's less evasive to him.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
A participant in the overall scheme.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
I think that other people involved in connected and high places,
it's another crime they don't really want solved.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That's why they always want to pin it on a
loan person.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And they today ye Otis like Otis O'Toole and Henry
Lee Lucas. So there's no coincidence that we're about to
climb back into the John Walsh connections that Lindsay has
provided and that these two individuals happen to have been
part of a major conspiracy to close hundreds of cases
(12:56):
across the United States on somebody who didn't actively commit
those crimes, and the push to get public to believe that.
And in the end we figured it out, which this
is why these suspects fell to the wayside, because we
did figure it out as Americans are, we are pretty
smart and if we do remember the past, which I
think most people fail to because they're so busy with
(13:16):
everyday life. But when you do remember the past and
you put those pieces together, you start to recognize where
all of it is coming from. Yeah, all right, so
we left off.
Speaker 8 (13:28):
At yeah for sure, right, focus on one guy to
be the wrong eye and then be distubborn to admit
you were wrong exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
And it is true that age does provide.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Wisdom and uh, you know, being able to understand things more.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
And history is narrated by the individuals who want America
to believe what they want us to believe. I remember
growing up always thinking that Christopher Columbus founded America, right,
and that knows has long since been dispelled.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
But they're still teaching it there.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
And there's a good portion of the population that thinks
lead Rby Oslod was alone assassin right right.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, Well, without the time to be able to research
and dive into these things, that makes it nearly impossible
for most to even you know, claim on board with
the truth.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
It's well, and then the way that I do it,
the way that I have.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Tried to do it, and have continued is each year,
each grade that you know my daughter.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Goes into because my son just got he just got
Starter school this year, so you know, first the first
year doesn't really matter, but that first grade is where
I started to Okay, what'd you learn today?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
What'd you learn in history? What'd you learn in science?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
And then breaking those things down for her each year
has really made her understand things way more and be
able to discern what is true.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And what is not.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Even though she's been taught something, she's been able to
break it down herself. At this point, she's in six
sixth grade now and that and she'll come home and say, well,
this is what we learned it. I know that's not
true because we know such and such like literally and
I have. I'm going to continue to do that because
it has literally helped her break things down and have
(15:20):
that discernment for her own self to think and say
and question things like no, this is not this can't
be you know what I mean? And then later on
in her life she's going to appreciate that and be
able to put things together so much easier and be
able to discern so much like it's.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Nothing correct and is she learning cursive writing. Yes, absolutely,
one hundred percent. The best thing you can do for
your children is to ensure that they learn cursive whether
your schools are teaching it or not. It teaches the
brain to work in a diversified pattern that allows it
to think five steps ahead, and so removing that from
(15:56):
the school system is really dumb down the population of
a couple decades. Actually, because it went out in about
ninety six, we're starting to see it slowly but surely
roll back in. So thank you for that. All right,
So back to the murders. On April eighth, nineteen ninety two,
we had Robin Fuldauer in Indianapolis show shoe store clerk.
(16:18):
This is part of the ICE seventy murders. I did
put in there that I need to research these murders
because I've not done any research on them, but it
is in the general location. We have April eleventh of
nineteen ninety two, Patricia Majors or Patricia Smith in Wichita,
Kansas at a bridal shop. We know that there is
a relation to Kansas for Jack shot after being pushed
(16:40):
into the back room. Again, it's part of the I
seventy murders, and it seems to follow suit with these
little shop murders as I'm going to call them, because
we saw the yogurt shop murders that occurred in Texas.
When Jack has left Nora, or maybe Laura left him,
I don't know the story. Either way, they've separated, Jack
is back in Texas and we start to see this
(17:01):
series of little shops and murders that are occurring in them.
So in the after so it says he's shot after
being pushed back into a room Patricia was, but that
the suspect let a witness go after being seen, and
it was a male customer. So I do think we
owned that last week. But and then on April sixteenth
(17:22):
and nineteen ninety two, we had the murder of a
Hispanic woman named Maria Carmen della Strada. Now this has
been identified as being killed by Anthony Allan Shore. There's
reference to a partner named Alan in the Oakland County Childbirders.
We know the relation that they tried to make between
Arthur Lee Allen and the Zodiac. So it made me
wonder whether or not this Anthony Allan Shore was an
(17:45):
acquaintance of Jacks, because he happens to be in the
same area, and in the two thousand and five finale letter,
the author mentions that he's not the only person who's
killing in Texas at this time, that there's somebody else
that is killing the Hispanics and the Oriental. So it's
definitely something to ponder. So this has been brought into
(18:06):
the display because Jack recognized, like I said, this killer
in two thousand and five. I believe that the confession
letter to Tim Miller is from Jack. I will still
maintain that Tim Miller checked back in with me about
a year and a half, almost two years ago to
find out whether or not. I still believe that Jack
was the Zodiac, which I then confirmed once again realizing
that he had taken out a case against his primary
(18:27):
suspect and one for a wrongful death suit. I think
that he was very much so questioning his own acts
against this individual as the possible killer of his daughter.
So if he's questioning it, then that tells me that
he is not solid on the answers that he needs
to feel satisfied about what occurred to with his daughter.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
So you're saying a civil suit against as a suspected
killer but was convicted in a criminal case.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
He know, he was not convicted in a criminal case,
was a civil suit for wrongful death and he won
something like I think fourteen million. Dog Clyde his name
was clydeof I'd have to go back to it to
see if you look at the guy. I mean, he
doesn't look worthy of a pot.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
He was like a neighbor or something.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, he was somebody on the street that she used
to walk on and she said he just creepy. Yeah,
but Kah doesn't brought a line of murderous. So yea again, Now,
these I think that a lot of the things that
you provided me this last week, but I email are
things that we have gone over before. But I always
feel like it's worth repeating. Since we're just now coming
(19:40):
off of the letters of the Scorpion issues, and I
noticed that we had in here. I think that this
one was where we had discussed this first article was
where we discussed the theory of him working for or
not wanting to transport drugs for the Bahama cartel. Correct. Yeah,
(20:03):
so when we moved over into the Allen Riverbank ventures,
this is kind of Oh, John Denver, that was the
fourth name I meant to think of and Allen Riverbart
just kind of brought that into play. This particular article
talks about I believe him being in an airplane crash, correct, yeah,
(20:26):
small small.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Plane, Oh yeah, small.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
The one that had to went to identify the people
that crashed was John Monahan, and that was John's boss
at the Diplomat Hotel in Hollywood, Florida. Well one also
the one who identified Adam's head.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Right, And that's that connection. And it does state that
one of the victims was Monahan's twenty three years younger fiance,
So that is very much applausibility as to why he
was there to make identification was for her. But the
fact that she's on a plane with Alan Riverbank, Riven
Bank Bark, I can say his name, it's so odd.
(21:09):
It shows that connection that you were talking about and
the group that is intertwined there. Let's see. Oh so
he did. He claimed and identified six of the bodies,
excluding only a man with Japanese name who was thought
to be Riven Bark's bodyguard. He also made the arrangements
(21:30):
for dental records, and he kind of took charge of
the whole situation. So here again we have this individual
stepping in to control the situation, in which case I
think if it had been taken over by the proper authorities,
that would It's almost like scientology, where they handle their
own in house retributions. Yeah, so you know this crash
(21:51):
occurred where it said yeah, yeah, Rocky Mountains, Greenland reported so, yeah,
in Rocky Mountains, Colorado, Okay, and they.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Were, well, she's got yeah. I think you're about to
go over that form. I was about to say, what's that?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Now you you fill me in, because I really don't
know a lot about these connections.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
So these planes were suspected to be carrying drugs and
across different, two different areas.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
That's what I thought that I read. Oh yeah, okay,
so said Wayne Valentine, chief of DA's Denver office. It's
very likely possibility the plane was carrying cocaine from South
America to the United States. At the crash site, investigators
had found thirty handguns, a holster, one holstered to a
victim's leg, and fifty to sixty thousand dollars in cash
(22:46):
in the fresh snow. So they probably hustled there and
cleared the site given the opportunity to do so. Obviously
I did. I did want to Actually, this is exactly
kind of the scenario that occurred in the wrongful death
conviction of Peter Wilson that I've been discussing is that
the officers who showed up to do the forensics was
(23:09):
actually called by their supervisor and told to immediately return
instead of taking pictures of the scene, to immediately return
to the police station for some reason. So they're halted
in their acts of recording. Yeah, yeah, their investigation and
recording of the happenstances. And this is when I believe Meanwhile,
(23:31):
officer Yore removed that viole of blood, came back and
splashed it around the crime scene, called out to the
coroner to ask him to show up, but he doesn't
call him until six or seven o'clock at night, and
he tells him give it about forty five minutes before
you show up. And even when he shows up, he's
made to wait outside twenty to twenty five minutes until
(23:53):
they finish whatever it is they're doing. So this scenario
sounds exactly the same. You've got somebody who's controlling the
narrative of what's going to be known about this particular site,
and probably to collect their drugs before that's found, because
that's it's not saying the DEA believes it was very possible. Right,
(24:17):
here's any probably got them. That's why Monahan was sent
exactly exactly, all seven passengers die in a crash. So
this article, what did you find interesting about this one?
Speaker 6 (24:33):
So this is this another article that this is the
actual article that's talking about it, and that other that
other piece that I sent you was where that reporter
wrote about it in his book, and this is the
actual article about it.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Oh okay, So yeah, then this is here on the
screen for anybody to come back to and look at
at another point, but basically covers the items we were
just discussing. Now I know that we looked at this
because yes, yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
I love that the cost of that edition of the
newspaper was twenty five cents.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Oh yeah, and that's why they had to sell millions,
So the stories needed to be grand in order to
sell millions. Ah, Now this one, I know that we've
seen this article before, and of course it makes that
connection from mayer Lanski to Riven Bark, correct yep. And
(25:26):
of course that just brings everybody, Monahan, Riven Bark, everybody
into the mob realm as you have suggested, which ties
right back directly to John Walsh, who wanted Monahan to
to obviously control the investigation or even the identification of
his son. Is there anything else caught it?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
He called it? He called him his best friend in
his book.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Right right, But most people don't know about the background
that you've dug up. Have you talked Have you talked
any more to Meghan about being on the show? Yep?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I think she's about to be in a good place
where she can have a clear mind for everything.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
So she did.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, it would be good to hear from her. So
is there anything else? I see that there's a red
box around? Ogawa thirty two, a karate expert, was a
bouncer at Hollywood's Old for a Clock club. Before he
was hired, he had been using the name Kenji Bando
because he was a fugitive from Donya. Police charges Donya,
(26:28):
like Florida. Yeah, huh okay that he kidnapped and sexually
assaulted a nineteen year old prostitute. Agawa's former boss at
the four o'clock club, Mickey Rasso, also was charged in
the assault. Rauso was later convicted on lesser charges. So
(26:48):
it just.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Kind of gives you a picture of what was going
on during that time, and you could see how easy
it was to get away with these things, like when
you had all this other chaos.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
So it says, but for a stroke of fate, there
would have been eight victims. Hollandale hotel consultant John F. Monahan,
who said he had been negotiating with Rivenbark to promote
the ranch. Oh my god, every time you say ranch,
all I see, all I hear is Epstein was scheduled
to be on the flight but had to cancel at
the last minute because of other business. Uh Or he was.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
Told that this was the ranch that was in Colorado,
that I think that you were. You have you heard
said we were. We had talked about the ranch in
Mexico earlier. But those are actually two different ranches. So
this was actually a ranch that was very similar to
the one that uh Cia and different operatives were brought
to at different points for different reasons. That was in
(27:47):
Colorado or near Colorado, where that near the actual playing
side where that crash was.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
So that's where that's why I was. That's what the
ranches when in this article is talking about.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well, and I find it a little interesting. It says
he was scheduled to be on the flight, but probably
like insider training, he was forewarned. It reminds me of
one of the who was the individual or the very
rich person who climbed off the Titanic just before all
of that mess went down. Stroke of luck, he is
now the richest person because all the other rich people
went down with the boat.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
So real quick I missed it. How was Meyer Lanski
affiliated with this overall situation?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
That's how he has of him right there.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Yeah, so he had dealings with Alan riven Bark, which
was the which was another another cocaine dealer.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Okay, yeah name the names Lanski and Vesco were listed
in financial ledgers detailing millions of dollars in drug transactions.
Those ledgers were confiscated along with nine million worth of
marijuana when the shipment was intercepted near Jamestown, Rhode Island.
So there's a connection between Monahan and Landski and it
(29:09):
looks like drugs or drugs and guns are surrounding that.
But as I go into this the little yellow box,
I found it even more interesting. It says he had
to cancel but after learning of the crash while in Denver,
so he's he's in Denver, he's in Colorado where the
plane goes down, but huh canceled taking that plane flight.
(29:29):
I find that a little astonishing happens, That's what I'm saying,
like insider training. While in Denver, Monahan, employer and fiance
of miss Stock, went to the crash site in Eagle, Colorado,
to assist with funeral arrangements for several of the crash victims.
(29:51):
So that that does make some interesting thoughts, right, some
theories there.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Well, and there we all know where all where my
Orlansky was involved in.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
He was all over the country.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah. Yeah. So now this next article said network piped
cocaine to d M. What is this one about?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Did I circle anything on here?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
No? You did not, And it looks to me like
it's kind of it. They busted these individuals. It has
somebody named Glinski as the supplier for the cocaine. Uh
later Ramsey's hook.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
It was DM stand for.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Pipe cocaine, Drug money. Okay, oh it's had on here.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah I did. I didn't have as a reliable stream,
but the price was high by Big Apple standards. It
was a flat out ripoff, especially for cocaine that was
not the best quality. Before it found its way to Low's,
somebody in New York had mixed it with a lookalike
(31:06):
powder to boost profits. Glinsky was not satisfied with price
or quality of his supplies. Hostoled investigators then came a
fateful meeting in the Ames Bar. Della Haas John's roommate
and an Iowa State University drop out, met Thomas Romsey
through mutual friends early in summer of nineteen eighty six.
(31:27):
They found themselves together at a party where friends snorted cocaine.
The two hit it off, and both men would later
wind up in prison. Tom Ramsey and his brother Michael,
who lived outside of Stratford, were connected to drug suppliers
in a big way. They had two I think this
was Iowa, right, that this was a group Desmoins, yeah yes,
(31:50):
des Moinese yeah yeah, so probably just another member of
the mob, part of the network, right, yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Movie drugs to go back in my things because I
had it highlighted in mine, but for some reason the
highlight didn't take when I sent.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
To you, right, And I'm trying to see if I
can just scan really quick to see it did mention
a John, and I'm not sure who the John is,
but John's roommate and Iowa State University drop out, so
they must tell us at some point who John is.
Well we figured out, oh, John Haws. So it it
(32:26):
all had begun so simply for John Haws in nineteen
eighty three when he was working at Audio Labs as
story store.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Carlos Garcia was.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
A known person that was at the Diplomat. I do
know that I see that name in there.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Oh okay, the picture in corner, that's the Lensky.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
He was just one of the suppliers of the cocaine.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Okay, So somehow that was then made a connection to
I'm guessing Monahan. Yeah, Klenski's biggest customers, former tennis shop
operator Lester pearl Of in October. Yeah, this just goes
on into.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Okay, that tennis thing.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
They had an event at at the Diplomat for him.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
For that tennis player. Oh and that's who.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
And then John John Monahan is the one that ran
that ran that hotel, and John was John Walsh was
his manager.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
So gotcha. So it's just it's just basically making connections again.
And here's you've given like this nifty little article. This
is part of that article actually, and it shows the
connections from supplier importer. Uh, we're looking at New York,
New York, Brazil, Houston. Obviously Texas is back in the mix. Uh, Stratford, Iowa.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
They used to make these really good maps like this
in newspapers back in the day, and now you have
to make them yourself.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Ames West does Moines, does Moins, does Moines, does Moins.
But then it goes out to the dealers, and the
dealers range from does Moines Urbandale Bonderant. Looks like most
of this was all happening in the Iowa area. But
he's probably just one leg, right, I mean, honestly, so
(34:23):
this is just.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Sharlie Like I like this map because it's showing you
in that one picture how it's how that triangle worked,
because it was right.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Remember the triangle.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
There's the connection to Brazil, the connection to Mexico, the
connection to New York. It looks like, yeah, that went
down to.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Is that the central connection on the left. Isn't that Chicago?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, it says Iowa. It's right close to Chicago. Yeah, Okay,
but that's evidently where this individual supplier was doesn't mean
that he wasn't supplying to other places but primarily out
taking care of this particular area. Looks like okay, detective
linked to suspect in the launch case. So this brought
(35:10):
us back to otis O'Toole, And of course then they
find out that the evidence has been lost. But this
detective is actually linked to the purported suspect, and probably
in the same manner that the Texas Rangers were linked
to Henry Lee Lucas, and that was by way of
feeding them the information necessary for them to claim responsibility
for these murders so that these cases could be closed
(35:33):
on the wrong suspect. So I think that's pretty much
what this amounts to, right, Oh, did we lose you?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
We lost her.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
She must have got a notification, but she went completely
off before her her little box stayed with her name
and she just the video went out. But here we've
lost her altogether. So yes, we did talk of a
little bit about O'Toole. Now in this next article, this
(36:06):
is I think this is also in regards to Oh.
Actually this kind of names a whole bunch of people.
So this article that she sent me is kind of
the wrap up here says the group met the deadline
and came up with a plan that would be so
large in scope that if carried out to the most
(36:28):
minute detail, it would become simple by its mere complexity.
The plan presented a called presented called for a second
airplane to be set up by the CIA. The first
was Flying Tigers. This was done and the airline was
named Overseas National Overseas National Airline. This airline, suddenly, without
(36:50):
yet having any aircraft, received the contracts for all civilian
carrier and military cargo into the Pacific RIM in Southeast Asia.
The master plan called for the CIA to enter into
the drug smuggling business in a total and complete fashion.
Each of the five planners would have his own field
to handle. Bush would be the secret head of ONA
(37:11):
and handle all of the shipping of the drugs under
forged Waybells. Armitage would be the gopher for the group
and the intermediary with any undesirables. General Lansdale would handle
all the distribution network and collection services within the military
in Vietnam. William Colby was to handle the setting up
of all the manpower from runners, peddlers, pushers, collectors, and
(37:35):
so forth, as well as the elimination of any who
might prove to be uncontrollable, be the American or Vietnamese.
Lieutenant Colonel Ferrera was to use his contacts in Latin
America and in the Middle East to obtain from various
governments the needed drug heroin, cocaine, marijuana, LSD, etc. Etc.
As ordered by Colby Bush was to handle the opium
(37:58):
from China and subject the addicts to the rehab at
Rehab near dot Me. The operation was given the name
of Eagle two at the request of Ferreira, for he
felt it would be lucky to have the same code
as the Eagle Project had participated in when he was
with the OSS. Now that's the Office of Secret of
(38:23):
Secret Security. Do I have that acronym right? OSS?
Speaker 9 (38:28):
I feel like that was the precursor the CIA.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
It existed during World War Two up until nineteen forty seven.
When the CIA was formed, the CIA basically took over
the duties of the OSS. So there was a guy
named William Bill Donovan that used to be the head
of the OSS's Wild built.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
And when did that makes sense? When when did you
say that the CIA was.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
Formed nineteen forty seven, but many of the CIA people
had been former OSS.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
People, right, and I think I tossed around at one
point the possibility of Jack being OSS or something from
that particular era. Now, she sent this across and I
couldn't rightly read it, but it is the It says
the most prolific serial killer in every state. I did
(39:21):
read as well that the United States, for whatever unknown reason,
has the highest rate of serial killers in it. So
it was interesting to see this little breakdown of serial
killers from different states. However, I can't read the information
on it, so I was hoping that she was going
to be here for me to be able to ask
her whether or not she had a better version of this,
because once I blow it up, I can't read it.
(39:42):
And they've course got some unknown faces in here, so
that tells us that we've got somebody killing that they've
not identified. And it would be interesting to note if
these land in the states where we know Jack has been.
Either way, life, teamsters, mafia have freight packed. This was Oh,
(40:02):
maybe this is her telling me she has lost contacts.
I'm in just need one to let me in. One,
let her in, let her in. I can use her
right now. M oh, I see the message too. One,
(40:26):
can you let me back in? Where's one? Did you
take a potty break?
Speaker 7 (40:32):
Just that way? Is there?
Speaker 3 (40:33):
She is right side?
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Okay, Yeah, it kicked me out and I was waiting.
I was waiting for one to put me back in.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
But I guess you didn't see.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, No, you got to go back to the words.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
Well, yeah, that was a good compilation of those serial
killers that they you know, portray as as the ones
that are involved in these killings.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
And are you able to read are you able to
read the information on your end?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Oh? Let me No?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
No, no, I meant like in the article that you
have that you sent to me, not necessarily on you
can't read it on here because it doesn't it's to blurry.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Can't see.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I meant in general, on your version? Are you capable
of reading it from your end?
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah, the one that you have, Okay, okay. So basically
it would be interesting, as I was stating, to figure
out who these individuals are that are blacked out. They
do not have a picture for these individuals to know
who they're attributed to and what states, and whether or
not those were consistent with where Jack has been because
(41:38):
we could place a face in there if we wanted.
Are you still with us, Lindsey, Yeah, I'm there.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
So the next one is the Life Teamsters Mafia have
air freight pack. So this article that you sent me,
can you explain to us why this one ended up
with us?
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Let me see.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, oh well, let me show you that the Teamsters
are all up in it, just like halfa uh now
half is dead already, right.
Speaker 9 (42:14):
So.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Yeah, I think he is.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
So it just goes that that that air, that air
that air I guess it says that air pact of
that air freight back to that triangle and kind of
shows you, like, like in that article you just read,
it links back to where the newspapers were reporting on
this kind of thing and nobody is paying attention to it.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
So c I a bush cocaine and the whole team
starts by saying Teamster union leaders have formed an alliance
with such well known mafia figures as John Johnny Dio
or Diogardi to seize control of the lucrative air freight industry,
which already is being plundered by an estimated fifty million
(43:00):
to one hundred million a year in cargo fess. Life
magazine reported Sunday lif SD the industry, which last year
produced revenues of close to one billion, was threatened by
a criminal incursion unmatched since prohibition. Cargo thieves have turned
airports into a plundering ground. Mobsters and labor racketeers have
(43:21):
infiltrated the air freight industry. The nationwide total was estimated
in a recent Senate investigation at between fifty million and
one hundred million, while mobsters have infiltrated legitimate companies in
the industry to steal from the inside as they monopolized
legal profits. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters is maneuvering for
(43:42):
a nationwide collective bargaining agreement with the industry, which would
give the union the power to shut it down at
will with strikes life set. The vehicle for both the
BAFIA and the Teamsters is the National Association for Air Freight, Inc.
And Industry Trade Association. The Magaze Scene said its goal
is to become the exclusive nationwide bargaining agent with the
(44:05):
Teamsters for the air freight industry. If that comes about,
the MOB through NAAF will be firmly established at all
major airports. Its spy system will be broadened and hijacking
and theft will increase. The most powerful man with NAA
f Anthony Hickey. I can't read his name on there,
(44:28):
a soldier in the mafia of the late Vito Genevivees.
Speaker 7 (44:34):
Just for the record, Yeah, POFA was still alive at
that time. He disappeared in July nineteen seventy five, so you'd.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Think he was still alive in Oh, what is this?
So this okay, this is nineteen seventy one. I'm thinking
I'm in today's presence of nineteen ninety one, or not
today's presence, but the powerpoints presence of nineteen ninety one.
So yes, you're correct, this is back from seventy one,
says Teamsters and sh Fairman of the union's Airlines division,
met with the de Lorenzo that's his name and others
(45:05):
in early nineteen sixty nine, and in June of that
year advised locals to step up recruitment of employees of
NAAF companies. The magazine said. A pivotal local in the
Teamsters campaign was two ninety five, which represents cargo handlers,
truck drivers, and other air freight employees at Kennedy International Airport.
(45:27):
The local is run by its secretary Treasurer David or
Harry David Off fifty four, an old style tough guy,
labor racketeer and kick back expert with long criminal record.
So that's interesting. But I didn't see the mentioning of Bush, so.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
We're so it just kind of brings in all those
characters because and it's like too that up to the present,
and it actually pulls in Jack in there as well,
because that's during his you know, his prom Tom you
know of his killing with the sixty.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Nine years of Zodiac.
Speaker 10 (46:05):
I think.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
The Bush Senior was a senator from from Texas. Good
but it wasn't until seventy six that he became head
of the CIA. But that doesn't mean he didn't have.
Speaker 7 (46:18):
Connections prior to that, especially since his dad, Prescott Bush,
is deeply involved in a lot of the powerful mucky
MUCKs throughout the years.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Well yeah, one of the pictures that I saw at
the book Depository actually had young Bill Clinton and young
Bush in there. They were in the pictures at the depository,
and I always thought that was extremely interesting, is who
shuffled these kids off to this location following, you know,
(46:51):
the immediate assassination of the president. What in the world
are people thinking?
Speaker 2 (46:55):
And then they both became president later.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
That's crazy, it's insane. It's insane.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
It's not a coincidence. It's definitely not a coincidence.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
No, certainly not. Okay. Now that brings us to your
and we're at ten forty seven, so we've got about
two and a half minutes left here. But I did
put in your notes, and I think, yeah, I put
in your notes and it says the ranches in Colorado
is one for mobsters to go to. Alan Rivenbank, huge
mobster owned this ranch. Then here we see in Colorado
(47:28):
that a plane carrying loads of cocaine crashes near this
mobster own ranch. And just so happened that, John Wanahan, Okay,
so that covers basically what we've already talked about. But
you've put together kind of a nice little chart flow
chart here you want to describe that to us.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
So it's just it's just how I connect This is
just like my evidence of my little scribbles of how
it connected all this together, you know, all the way
down to from the Cia to the Zodiac, to these cults,
to these to these Baffy to the.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Boffia, to the mob.
Speaker 6 (48:00):
How literally, like as that article just described the teamsters,
as we know that, and we can see that this
is definitely a team of people, and you know, and
then we have these writings of the Zodiac Jack constantly
throughout these years, and as we know that, we think
he's one of the writers.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
Whether after he stopped.
Speaker 6 (48:24):
The killings or you know, as he was still part
of that whole thing, it kept going and going.
Speaker 9 (48:32):
Well he had you got, you've got like you can't
leave you always, you're there for life.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
You put up here? Who is G. J. Schaeffer? Is
that's a question you've been looking to answer? Have you
answered that.
Speaker 6 (48:51):
It was one of the cops that they that he
was one of the serial killers. He was actually a
named serial killer if you look up, he was actually
a cop. So it's kind of shows you how the
law enforcement is involved in all this and how they
do know things and that they don't disclose.
Speaker 4 (49:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
And this is a nice, neat little flow chart here
as you're looking at it, it really kind of brings
everybody in Texas, Mexico, Florida Hand of Death finders called
Alistair Crowley cult members the Hand of Death, which included
Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole. It just goes on
and on. So I think this is interesting enough for
(49:29):
everybody to be able to view. You can take a
look at it on your own time. That's pretty much
all the time we actually have for today. Is there
anything else you guys want to add or.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
We should be lucky my drive home.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
I wish you luck. Everybody, have a wonderful weekend and
we will see you next Friday. Take care of you, guys,
and thank you for.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Being sure the beast argument went well.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
Yeah, yeah, I'll I'll call you.
Speaker 10 (49:57):
Right, guys.
Speaker 9 (50:20):
Sha
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