September 19, 2025 • 50 mins
Jack attends a school reunion even though he quit in 8th grade. May very well have been Chubb’s reunion, but Jack knows the people there. We see Jack flying over California in August and visiting Dennis and Charles. Jack and Nora get back together then heads back to Texas per Nora’s diary. Phoenix, AZ has a gruesome murder that includes bisection and Nora’s diary says that Jack is preparing to move the family to Phoenix, AZ. Coincidence???
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:53):
Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
I'd like to welcome to the show today, Nolan del
Campo and Lindsay mcbrair. Hello, good morning. Are you with
(01:13):
us just by phone today?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Well, I should show my picture.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I don't see your picture. You must have your video off.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, I think my siety is bother me. So I
got like all these patch, these little patch things on
until I get to the it's an error surgeon.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, you need somebody to drill your butt. Yeah, there's
a muscle in there that I guarantee you will help
relieve that. What's that?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I get started in my hand because you know, I'm
typing all day long, so.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Right right all the way up. I laughed because my
cousin whenever he sees me if his ssiatic is messing up,
he's like, hey, cause I need you to drill my ass.
I'm like, you know, if anybody walking by heard that
I'm bad, that sounds I think that.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Was still just now.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well I was.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You got a volunteer over here.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Right, Well, there's you can take like one of those
hard massage balls and you can actually sit on it
and roll around. Find the sore spot. Find there. There'll
be a spot that hurts so bad the second it
touches it. You're even you're usually even unaware that that
spot hurts because you're dealing with the pain of the nerve.
(02:39):
But very very interesting and very effective. But yeah, no one,
if you need some help, I'll drill your ass.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
All right.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Well, we left off last week on your notes, which
I thought, I'm going to give this another turn around here,
We're going to go back at it because I was
looking at some of the things on it and I
wanted to kind of just get an idea of how
your brain works and how you put these things together
so you can see what's on the screen, right mm hmm, Yeah, Okay,
So you had put on here who is J. G. Schaeffer,
(03:12):
What was that in regards to the movie The Borderland.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So he was a cop in Florida that was actually
turned it turned into a serial killer and he was
actually a suspect. Yeah, he was actually a suspect in Well,
I guess that, like they had put they had contacted
the the cops in Indian River County at the time
(03:41):
of Adam's murder, just to see if if he had
any significance, because they had him running around killing women
and tying the trees apparently in the woods. Yeah, right,
and I think that's why he was in there. But
he's actually a very interesting individual. So I think he
(04:02):
was definitely one of those targeted ones that they made
crazy Florida.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Was he operated in Florida, Florida? Okay, and right around
the time of the Walsh disappearance or after.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
In the early eighties, Okay. I think he was an
active cop in seventy eight, seventy nine throughout until obviously
until they called him and then, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Where's the psychological test for these individuals? I mean, come on, now,
we we basically employed and tax paying dollars go to
this individual who ends up being a serial killer. We
really got the Angelo too, right, I mean purportedly.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And their military backgrounds some type of law enforcement is
that every single time?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
That's crazy. Now it goes on to say the railroad
killer Raphael Ramirez born in Matam Morris, Mexico. He went
back and forth from Mexico to Texas leading bodies and
then he let's to say, attended his or continued his spree.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
No, okay, yeah, he continues spray down to Florida.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Okay, so all of these people you're kind of researching
in regards to the possibility of Adam Walsh's murder.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Then yeah, now it all connects to the CIA and
mind control of the government, you know, controlling the all
these serial killers and everything.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Now, I know that Epstein had several ranches, if you will.
I mean he had the island, but he also had
other locations around. Did he have one in Colorado?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Uh, that was I think it's just a couple of
slots back from last time. I can't think of his
name was his it was his ranch?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah? Yeah, okay. I was just wondering if I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Be surprised since they were involved in the air trail.
Uh if Ebstein knew them for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Right right. So basically you've gone on down here and
you're indicating c I A with the Matamorris ranch, which
obviously you have crossed back connected to this Raphael Ramirez,
who you state is a serial killer as well. He
was basically killing both in Texas and in Mexico and Florida.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And so that was I think that was the ranch
that no one was mentioned of a couple of times
back where they would take like one of those Cia
ranches where they would take people and they and you
never see him again. That was the Matamoros ranch.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Gotcha and they got that name from him from Ramirez.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Okay, So I know that we had some Hispanics that
were killed in Texas and Jack or Zodiac if we,
if you will. In the two thousand and five finale
letter indicated that he had not killed anybody who was
Hispanic or Oriental and that there was other people out
there killing. Do you know the time frame that Ramirez.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
It was definitely in that time frame. I didn't write
a date on.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
There were the laws in and around the Warez which
is borders al Paso, Texas, but mostly there were young
women that worked at the Makila Does, which is American
factories in the border of Mexico with Mexican employees mainly
(07:52):
young women, underpaid young women, and there was and the
cops covered it up completely. No one really ever got
brought to justice on those There's a really good book
on that.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Oh that might be something that we dive into. I
was just I mean, if this is what's happening in
the eighties and the research has cross connected these because
of these murders during the eighties, that's what the finale
letter specifically states is in the eighties series, there is
more than one killer and that he did not kill
(08:24):
anybody who was Hispanic or Oriental. So may be this
individual here that is the perpetrator of those particular crimes.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So sorry, the main point that he's not the only
killer on this team.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Or oh yeah, conglomerate of killers or he's.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Following Obviously he obviously knows them and knows who they
are and who they have killed, because you know, that's
literally what he says in the letter.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
You know, well, he doesn't say he knows. He doesn't
say he knows who they are. I mean it kind
of like going back to the Zodiac where he says,
I didn't didn't bomb that you know, police station, or
killed a cap on the police station steps with the bomb,
because he had already made statements that he was going
to use a bomb. Now he's kind of backpedaling because
(09:19):
he really didn't have an intention of using a bomb.
He really just wanted to keep the cops busy chasing
after school buses. And so when the bomb actually exploded,
I don't know if somebody was just kind of piggybacking
on his fame at that point, and oh, I can
get away with this because the Zodiac has claimed he's
going to do it. And then the Zodiac comes out
and says, well, wait a minute, not me, huh, not today, saying.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
He also had a bunch of like drawings of locations
of where he's gonna put the bomb and of the
bomb the mechanisms in the bomb itself, and.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Those diagrams are extremely consistent with the way Jack drew diagrams.
In fact, Dennis had actually just opposed one of the
ones from the Zodiac case and something that Jack had
been known to draw, and I have those eventually when
we get through the end of this presentation, we're going
to talk about all the commonalities between the letters, from
the linguistics to the drawings, to statements that are made,
(10:15):
to the diagrams, cross connecting all of that stuff so
that everybody can see. You know, it's more than just
a handwriting match with Jack, It's it's an overall profile
of Jack that is consistent with the zodiac. And we're
going to look at those so on down to Mexico,
Texas and Florida, Ever yet an Everglades camp. And this
(10:37):
was all protected by what you said was the hand
of death. Now isn't that?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
And c i A protects all these groups, gotcha?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And what real quick?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Back to Jodiet real quick.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
At one time, one of the ciphers was decoded to
state a location where he was going to plant the
bomb to blow up the kids in the school bus.
That was Green Valley Road in Fairfield, right off the
highwayway or six Grassdale.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
There was a thought in regards to Green Valley. I
know that they changed Reader overpass shortly after my involvement
getting involved with these particular cases. They literally dumped a
bunch of debris right smack dab in the center of
where I believe either Harriet or somebody had completed a
(11:34):
saw that put us on Greenboutley Road, and when I
went back to look, they had dumped all kinds of
construction debris right in the center of the round where
we used to be able to go around to get
onto the freeway and back on, and they were creating
a new overpass, so you no longer even run, you know,
ground imaging devices over the top of it, because it
(11:56):
was literally piled high with cement and all kinds of
other stuff, almost as for what they were going to
build build that off ramp, which was kind of interesting.
But yes, by the time that solved, you can no
longer like go look at that particular area that she
(12:17):
plotted out. But there was a cipher in the Zodiac
stuff that said, this code coupled with the map is
going to tell you where the bomb is. But I
think that's the Z thirty two. But I don't believe
anybody has physically solved that, at least not from law
enforcement's perspective or or you know, ORANGEHAC or anybody else.
I think that one is still kind of sitting out
there unsolved at this point. Okay, so Hand of Death
(12:42):
isn't that the one with the smiley face murders or no?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
So that was what autist tool and Harry Lucas was.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Who claimed to be from the hand of death. I
feel like there was a serial killer that associated themselves
with that or was that O tool or tool? And
you care? Yes, I think we've lost Lindsay no girlfriend,
if you're not here, well if she comes back, Wilson,
(13:19):
I don't think you right well. And then she also
provided these but I thought these were interesting and we
can't actually speak about them. She called this in the
uh birthday book for Epstein, and I'm not sure what
the idea or concept behind the birthday book was, unless
it was him creating a book of all his birthday
(13:40):
events and to do's. They had kind of one of
those fake news articles that says vanity unfair. But it
looks like somebody else like cut and pasted Jeffrey Epstein's
name into each and every single one of these. So
I really wanted to find out what the origin of
this particular cover and why it says things like jeff
Free Epstein's bloody summer, Jeffrey Epstein's looks like a chaotic
(14:06):
rampage bring it on, Jeffrey Epstein, Consume me, Jeffrey, Intoxicate me, Jeffrey.
It's and it's on the cover of like I said,
it's called Vanity Unfair. That is actually got a picture
of Nicole Kidman on it. So I think that was
kind of interesting. Hopefully she comes back I can ask
her about that. The one that was more interesting was
(14:26):
this actual picture over here where they have blacked out
an other individual's face and it says he is the
boyfriend of and of course her name is redacted. We
think he works for the CIA. Now that would kind
of make some sense.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I can hear lindsay. I don't know why you can't.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Are you there, Nolan?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
You can hear me either.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Check your speakers, you guys, Yeah, hear you, Nolan, and
I cannot hear you. Can hear me my speaker's settings.
See what's going on.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I can hear you.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I can't.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
Okay, hold on one, see if I can get to this.
Oh yeah, oh, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I can hear you perfectly.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
All right, Hey, I guess you had to go out
and come back in.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Okay, but you can hear me and I and I
can hear you, so yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I think was that one in the chat? I think
she I think he.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
Uh yeah, now I can hear you.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I okay, good.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I don't know what happened there. I just evidently lost everything.
You can go back there, you're yeah, yeah, we would
go back to the notes, all right.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So well, yeah, so as soon as you were asking
who who was the part of the head of the
death that was whenever you went out like I guess
you couldn't hear me, but I was saying Audust Tool
and Henry lu Lucas okay, also the ones that were
blamed about those several murders in Texas, Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And that and yes works into Finders cult.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
And that goes to Foinder's cult. Just because of the
c i A and the Virginia I don't know if
you you, I don't know if you've researched the Finder School.
I assume maybe no one is probably more familiar with it. Yeah,
it was. It was just very hidden c I It's
in uh and they only released a few documents from
(16:45):
the c i A in that case is where they were. Mysteriously,
these guys were in the in this van in near Virginia,
near fair in Fairfax, uh that area and uh and
they had these random children in there in their little
band and they claimed they made this whole fabricated story
(17:09):
up about where whose children they were and what and
that they were doing something, that they were doing good
and so they were just let go and and and
later investigated very briefly, and uh it was a lot
of researchers linked it back to the boys Club and
uh that they were having uh, these boys there and
(17:30):
having these political figures and that type of thing come
to visit and get their little whatever they.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Do, you know, for political pedophilia.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Then yeah, yep.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And that you have connected to Cuba with Fidel Castro
and Haiti says Cia wanted him dead, avoided all assassination attempts.
What does that mean to you, Gail Castro? I meant
so Fidel Castro avoided all assassination attempt.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's just like a mirror. It's kind
of like a mirror of what they did Trump. They
tried to you know, we know they tried to assassinate
him many times and many towns that are not reported.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
So I think what happened after they killed JFK that
they pretty much didn't worry about Castro as much anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
It was when.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
JFK was live because JFK was exploring behind the scenes, uh,
normalization of relations with Cuba, and that's the one thing
they did not want. So once JFK was dead, that
wasn't gonna happen anymore, so they back backed off their efforts.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
To assassinate Castro.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
At that point, they still had thoughts, but they never
really followed through.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Was it before after JFK that they that Castro had
shut down all the casinos the mobsters casinos and hotels.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, that was nineteen sixty shut him down.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Got your JFK was.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Assassinated during his first year in office. He took he
took over fifty nine within the years. He uh yeah,
that's that's why the mob was so mad at him,
because they got kicked out of Havana.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It's free money. They they don't mess with my free money.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Is one of the guys that I involved assassination. It's
also a plumber in the watergate breaking. He was a
henchman and for the mob he used to run or
be the muscle and a couple of the casinos French sturgeons.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Oh, Okay, in the days.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
The takeover, the mob days JFK assassination, he's there in Dallas.
And then he was one of the plumbers in the
Watergate baking breaking French Sturgeons.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
And that's the CIA operating on land right.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Stup CIA operative.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yes, because CIA is not supposed to be operating on
US soil, right, they were meant for.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
And that's why they have all these connections to these foreign.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Governments, gotcham so they can go on to the.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Intelligence from them that they need in order to blackmail
the US.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So then that connection then works into what you had
stated was Nazis and CIA, which I think he just
briefly explained. And if together CIA controlled Haiti for American
corporate interests, not actual interests to the United States government.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's where they that's where the Clintons come in.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
But also even way before that, back to the JFK assassination,
one of the controllers of Lee, Harvey, Oswald and Marina
was the Morin Schultz and worst was an engineer and
it was in the oil industry and he was.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
In eighty often trint to negotiate.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
He did major contracts in Haiti for oil exploration and
oil development and importing oil and de Morrishell was later
uh he was going to be interviewed by a prominent
journalist and in regard to the jfk assassination, and the
(21:25):
day before that interview he was found dead.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
He was suicidal. He was shot in the face with
the shotgun, but he was It's been common that he
was the primary Dallas connection with Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
He was I not you're thinking go ahead, Yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
To me just kind of takes me back to the
Oakland County child killer with Chris Bush being suicided with
a shotgun.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
And then you have I have a photo of an
old picture of Lee Harvey Oswald in the background in
the like I think it's like the back third row.
There's that you have a young George Bush in this
picture as well.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
With who Yeah, I would like to see it too.
I mean, obviously, if Lee Harvey Oswald is in Texas,
we do know that the Bush you know, family has
relations to Texas. He was a young kid at the
book depository. We we do see his involvement surrounding the
(22:39):
stuff with Harvey Lee Oswald. So it's not too far
out to think that they ran in some of the
same circles for sure.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Mm hmmm, yep.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So then that that led you to Aleister Crowley. Now
is that through how how did how did that connection
be made?
Speaker 4 (23:01):
So he is the leader of these cults that are
were you know that we heard around that time going
around Yeah, and that's uh, that's why they that's why
you have to see a covering for these people and
why you know, just so happened to be that there's
(23:24):
an ancestry connection to George to Barbara Bush, linking her
to Alistair Crowley. And we know who Barbara Bush is.
That was George Bush's mother, and that was the wife
of George Bush.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
And Crowley was also ye the odio or tempest or
Dallas I forget the exact name. I think it's called
the odeo which yeah, thirty three, yeah, which is that's
another word for highest level of but but but but
(24:04):
his protege in the United States, Crowley was a British guy.
His protege in the United States was Jack Parsons, who
found founded Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which is the main you know,
jet propulsion engineers for NASSA. They did not do jet propulsion.
(24:25):
They did rocket propulsion. They call it j p L
because those are his initials. That that was the inside
joke at the stands for Jack Parsons Laboratory, not jet propulsion,
because they're not doing jet propulsion, they're doing rocket proposal.
And he ended up dying in a lab accident at
his own under suspicious place. But he was like the
(24:50):
second highest ranking ODO guy after Crowley, and he was
trying to do these weird experiments to do a pain
the highest level of ODEO.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And that they were doing. And uh, it's pretty.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Story we have, yeah, and that's why you have the
c I A here communicating with them and in order
to cover for all of these operations, and uh, they're
getting this intelligence from these other people like he just
(25:30):
said in the and these other scientists, these foreign scientists,
in order to do things to America under these operations,
but secretly through these other intelligence agencies.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I wondered, I've always wondered, kind of like the boy Scouts,
how many badges did you have to get to get
to what level of uh masonry in the Freemasons. My
grandfather I have his it's an apron basically, or it's
a I'll call it an apron because I don't know
what they referred to it as, but it indicates that
he was a thirty second degree Mason. What do you
(26:06):
have to do to get that high?
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Most astronauts, Yeah, most astronauts are free Masons, if not all,
And many of the muckamucks at NASA are thirty three
level Masons. And one of the astronauts on the Moon
missions took actual mason flag up to the.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Moon with him.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I thought these were stone builders. How do you go
from NASA to stone building.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
It? They went way beyond that, Yeah, way back to Yes,
the other.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Ones that built Washington, d C. But they designed the
city in such a weird way that you can tell
already that that there's already very cultish and different guys.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
I just had to share one said, one step at
a time. Is it is?
Speaker 4 (27:01):
It is. It's a lot to take in because it's
been going on for so long that.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Europe yep, all right, so you have.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
And then that goes all the way back through the
through the Clinton's and all the way up to now
because I've actually went to a hole where the events
that happened last week actually links back to some of
these things.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Well, so you it indicated that Aleister Crowley was British Intelligence.
Did you have information to support that that he was
m I six or was that.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
He was British?
Speaker 5 (27:40):
But I don't think he was involved with the British
intelligence apparatus. He was an author and a very prolific author,
and he had a very wild belief and a lot
of what his beliefs led to were other offshoot cults.
They were very somewhat satanistic and very Sudonistic, and a
lot of sex.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
And that's where yeah, and that's where I like these
cults to him, because.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
So basically it sounds to me like he's the grand
schemer idea that's set in place to cause these offshoots
or to to build and mind train others to pick
up on and take some It's kind of like religion, right,
everybody started at one place, and now all of a sudden,
we've got all these different religions. So we've got the
(28:26):
schools and how.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
We got religion scientology from Crowley's writings, right, and then
the Processed Church, which the founders belong Scientology, they broke
off became their own sect called the Processed Church, and
then were what's known as Luciferians, which is they did
(28:51):
it for freedom and sexual freedom and basically hedonists, but
they're known as Luciferians and as a posted other darker
side of Satanism, which is just a more vile, evil side.
But it was a blend. The processed church was murdered people.
They were part of the Son of Sam situation.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Well, then I can kind of see how so many
people have self arrived at a theory that the zodiac
was part of some type of a Satanic coult. If
all of this is all so meshed and mixed together.
This morning, obviously, just before I'd gotten onto the show,
I had simply thought to myself, I remembered back to
the Netflix docuseries in regards to it's called The Family,
(29:35):
and it was in regards to the annual prayer breakfast
that these politicians could get away with pretty much anything,
whether it's killing, drugs, lying, cheating, you know, anything they
wanted to get away with was not considered a sin
so much as they were a vessel speaking God's word.
And as long as they were that vessel, then they
were kind of they weren't going to discover the rap
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yeah to any you know, type of persecution or adjudication
or anything else that the normal person would have to suffer.
And that brought me to thinking, like Charlie Kirk, you know,
they had talked about the possibilities of him being one
of the first conservative presidents, and he's speaking so largely
on the word of God, how much he could have
(30:20):
gotten away with because he simply speaks the word of God,
as that docuseries kind of indicates. So I talked to
myself that, yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
That's where it comes in that and that's the reason
why he was It was not the trans bull crap
that they're putting out there.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Related wasn't that there's a lot of different things going
on here. It's it's not He wasn't really talking about
the assassination for saying this or that, positive or negative.
He was saying, just the way everyone's spinning it, spinning it,
they're they're they're taking this and use it for their
own purposes, was the point Kimmel was making.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And then got care But I think that's exactly what
the the propaganda is by media is to cause all
of these spinouts, to cause everybody to go in different
directions to argue their own theories too. It's just it's
just another device to control us, basically, because we're now
spending our time talking about it, posting on it, dealing
(31:21):
with social media over it, the heat is really large.
I'm actually quite surprised. Ever since I relieved myself from
the obligation of speaking about that ever again on social media,
I stopped seeing things about it. I thought that was
absolutely fabulous. I don't want I want happy things.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
And another thing with general when you relieve yourself from that,
you that's where the peace comes, right.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
But the point I was gonna rate is the general
public takes for granted the honesty integrity of law enforcement entities,
and oftentimes history has proven to us, like look at
the history of FBI and Janiger Hoover.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
He was crooking as a c and the FBI itself
is over the.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Years is is impeded a lot of in better persons
sodieat investigation.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
So and then if you look at the.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Lad and the LADA offices. I'm rereading the book on
Black Dahlia right now. Another there's like eight other murders
around that time in LA from forty seven to forty nine,
and the LAPD squashed it. There was a cover up
the they Hodel was one of their suspects and they
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protected him because he was part of an abortion ring
because abortion was illegal back then. But in a lot
of those people were getting cops were getting girls pregnant,
and they needed abortions.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Right was protection is he was helping out the cops
with abortions. I know that.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I know that when Dennis and I took down the
negatives from the film that we believe shows the active
torture of Black Dahlia to the LAPD, they allowed me
to sit and do the handwriting, which the captain that
was over seeing the detective that was working the cold
cases that became in charge of the Black Dahlia, he
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was like chomping at the bit. I don't know. I
feel like the man might even have been spun out
or something, because his mouth was just going even though
he's not talking. He's just listening, but his mouth isn't going,
like he's drooling over this. And we leave out of there,
and then we receive notification from the detective that she
was told not to touch it. So you're right about
them squashing things, and he literally, you know, basically ordered
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her that she will not investigate or research anything that
we brought in regards to that case, and that really
busted her chops because she honestly thought that she was
going to do some good in the case, kind of
like I think I felt when I realized that Jack's
writing was such a match and that his overall everything
about him was consistent with what we were looking for
in the Zodiac Killer. So and to know nobody wants
(33:52):
to pay attention and nobody wants to investigate it is
very disheartening because we're bringing them the evidence that they
need to take a look at this stuff, and people
just don't want to investigate it. Unlike Deborah Perez, Let's
give her one hundred hours. I mean, the woman saying
one year she's JFK's love child and then the next
year she's the daughter of the Zodiac killer. Come on,
somebody picks something here. So is what she's saying is
(34:13):
that JFK is the Zodiac I mean.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Come on, Oh yeah, the lead detective thought he had
a primary suspect from Zodiac and when he went public
to his higher up with it, they took.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Him off the case, right, yeah, the same thing they did.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
And then later.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
With the Robert Kennedy assassination, the LAPD botched that on purpose.
The two of the main guys in chargement were connected
to CIA and the FBI.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And maybe more well.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
And that's what I'm trying to tell you. They're doing
the same exact thing right now with Charlie's murder, because
it is deeper than their letting people know because they
were getting too close, like like like like you were
getting too close in the Zodiac case, he was getting
too close. So Israelian government issues, uh, and they knew
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it because he had refused money from Israel for his
company for the Turning Point.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
And we're talking over each other constantly, and I'm not
able to hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Oh sorry, I think it's like, uh, it's I think
sometimes it's off. It's like not real time lag.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah, yeah, gotcha. So what were you saying, Nolan.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
That they're trying to paint him, is this left wing,
crazy radical with an agenda against right wing people like
Marjorie Taylor whatever her name is, and people like that
and Fox's they're trying to say, No, he's a radical
left winger who hates all conservatives. That's not the truth,
but they're they're they're trying to pigeonhole him into that
(36:16):
role when it's complex of that. And that's what Lindsay's said,
that there's way more behind than what meet ci and
what the media is trying to put out.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
So you believe that he was offered money. So is
this kind of like the theory that Adam Walsh was
killed because John Walsh refused to run drugs for the Bahamas?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I mean, yeah, they like I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I don't either. I'm not sure where that evidence came
up about Israel and and him turning down money. Is
that just another one of those conspiracy theories that are
flying out there? Or do people know that?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
No, I have proof, I have proof, and Canice Owens
has proof?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
If you him, I don't. I don't watch the news
you got I don't know anybody.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
She uh was was thrown in there to be some
to be a candidate for something at one time, and
uh got pushed out because of her truths that she had.
Gotcha so now she did so now she has a
million view podcasts right now. That's why I was like,
That's why I thought you knew who she was because
(37:26):
many people most people do. But she is putting out receipts.
So and then I'm going back and I'm researching. I'm
going back behind her and researching these receipts, and so
far these receipts are factual. And it literally goes back
to Robert Maxwell and his dealings with Israel in the
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propaganda behind the media and everything.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Oh shut up, yeah, we're on the next line.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Even it relates to Epstein to it all. Literally, I'm
not kidding.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Well, I did enter in that vanity unfair article that
you sent me. And of course I don't know why.
The picture of him in a speedo, good lord. I
don't think that those are appropriate for anything unless you're swimming.
I'm sorry, unless you're like a professional swimmer.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
You need less drag, less drag.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
What's that.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Chair, It's like a cabana.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
No, they blocked somebody out of it.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
They they Oh, you're talking about the other picture. I
thought he was referring to the one of him in
a speedo.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Oh yeah, they blocked it. Whoever that was face.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Are you with me or are you having Oh no,
I don't know. If he froze up, he froze I
think he was when he said what's next to him?
I don't he wasn't referring to which picture that was? Yeah,
I think he froze to Okay, So which picture were
(39:22):
you talking about? No, that's Nonette.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Oh okay walked out the.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Hold On, it's a dress, but it's a horrible like
curtain dress.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
From that's what.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
You called that? The birthday book? And what what do
you mean by birthday book?
Speaker 4 (39:51):
So on his fiftieth birthday, uh, Gislaine Maxwell put together
of all his buddies and friends and and associations that
broke they had they she wanted a piece from each
of them to put in this book to make for
for his fiftieth birthday. And so these all these pieces
were put in from all these different people as to uh,
(40:15):
wishing him a happy fiftieth birthday. So that so this
vanity fair one was put in by hold On, there
is one from Trump.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Well, no, but the vanity unfair was put in by who.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
It was put in by the actual the I don't
know what they call it in Britain. Uh in in
Britain who is like the president of Britain. I don't
know what they call it, but that guy is the
one who put yeah, oh interesting, and he had like
a whole like three page letter to go with it.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
And so we have even and you had mentioned Trump
had put something into this book. Yes, media, dang me not.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Is out there.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Oh gotcha. So you've just kind of been going.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Through it that it's on the dog gov website.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Okay. And so this picture to a lot in the
girl there's a picture of him next to a female
and that's what you see him standing next to and
her face has been blacked out. Her name has been
redacted from the actual photo and it said he is
the boyfriend of and that's redacted. We think he works
for the CIA. So somebody just randomly wrote.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Out his girlfriends. So so Slaine even reached out to
old girl girlfriends for this book so they so they
could put their wish their birthday wishes in the book too.
It goes all the way back from from his birth
all the way up to fifty, from all these people
that he's met up until fifty. And that was like
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the purpose of this book for his birthday.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Too.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Very sexual or.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Yeah, but I just pulled this little this person that
put that added this to their part of the birth
that wish because of the what they added in and
what they put in here, and it was very kind
of disturbing if you.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Want to read it out, which which part.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Of the vanity fair like who uh, Jack the Ripper
was it at Jeffrey Epstein? Al Qaeda in South America
perpetrated by Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein stole my heart and then
bring it on Jeffrey. So it's like.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Somebody who's mean. It kind of sounds like somebody is
just making him the mastermind of all kinds of things
that he is potentially responsible for for all kinds of
things by in a joking way.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Joe, Yeah, joking away, but yeah, it's still.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
I don't think thats what we know. I don't think
it was a joke really.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, because it's kind of biting.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Right well, And to say we think he works for
the CIA almost kind of takes us back to he
was nobody until nineteen ninety six and then Poofy's on
top of the world and becomes one of the richest
people in the United States. Basically who knows as far
as worldwide is concerned. But it sounded to me like
he had an end of supply of money. All right, Well, Lelly, Jack.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
The Ripper comes up, because Jack Ripper also comes up
in the in the The Black Dahlia that whoever was
the murderer, whether it was Ogel.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Or someone else or a group of two years later, right.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
That says that they were trying to emulate Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Well, Hodell wouldn't even been born, but I could understand
if somebody was attempting to mimic his particular types of murders.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
But well, there was a movie that came out. The
original version was a Hitchcock film in the sixties. It's
called a Lodger, but it was a remake of it
in nineteen forty five that was more famous, with a
really merle Oberon and famous actors in it. That was
(44:29):
really successful movie, but scary as hell. Again about Jack
the Ripper, so it would have been fresh in the
Black Dahlia culprit.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
He probably saw that movie in forty five mm.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Well, and I advised the audience to go take a
look at what a picture of Jack the Ripper, and
just then you can see how he would be the
Ebstein positive.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
At that time, I didn't think that they had identified
I thought they had not figured out who Jack the
Ripper was.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
If the theory is is he was a doctor.
Speaker 9 (45:07):
Gotay, okay, Well, moving back on into our world in
our time frame, is a set of murders that occurred
that Lindsay had given to me on December twenty period
of nineteen seventy.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Four in Fourworth, Texas. I know this takes us back
from the years, but I had not addressed this because
I had not seen these unsolved murders. And I did
do a little research in the presentation to see if
I could figure out what Jack was up to. But
they went to see from the mall and they were
parked in the Sears Purking broad which is probably why
you tied this in because of the Adam Walsh abduction
(45:41):
at Sears, right, Lindsay.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
Yeah, it was very airy. Right.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
So we had three girls that went missing, Mary Rachel Trellica,
Lisa Rene Wilson, and Julianne Moseley. So basically for fort
Worth Missing Trio referred to an unsolved missing person's case
in which three girls went missing while shopping at the
Seminary Style shopping center in Fort Worth, Texas on December
(46:08):
twenty third, nineteen seventy four, the car that the girls
had been driving was left behind in the parking lot
at the mall, and the girls themselves have not been
seen since. So I went back to nineteen seventy four.
This is a very busy year for communications from the Zodiac.
We had the Citizen letter, the Urbcaine letter, we had
the Count Marco letter, the Dona last Christmas card on
December eighteenth and nineteen seventy four. I'm sorry no, Donal
(46:31):
last Christmas card was more around the Christmas time, but
on December eighteenth of nineteen seventy four, we have a
Santa Barbara area girl goes missing as well. I've not
had any updates on that particular case, but it is
in the presentation. And I wanted to note that we
know that when Jack would leave California, he would make
his way down south through southern California and then to
(46:52):
the left or to the east on his way to Texas,
and so this kind of reminded me, also like the
mailing of JFK's card to the Dallas Police Department where
he was purchased in Lancaster, Palmdale, either purchased or and
mailed in one of these two cities, but two of
these cities are related, and that is on your path
(47:12):
down and out to Texas, which we know that Jack
at that particular time had also left his job at
GE in nineteen sixty three and was headed to Texas
to supposedly put up two mobile homes. So then we
do see that murder that is kind of like the
exit murder that I'd like to talk about. I feel
like the Zodiac would commit a murder when he was
researching a new place, then he would come back that
(47:34):
we would have another murder just before he moved out,
and then wherever he went to we would see subsequent
murders that occurred, and that exit strategy to tend to
work on the next location that he moved to as well.
I show that Jack is busted for poaching on March
of nineteen seventy four, and he's put on one year
probation with restriction to guns, and he's filed a work
comp claim in November of nineteen seventy three against South
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Lake Tahoe Linen Company. But the doctor in his report
thinks that Jack is up to more than he claims.
Jack's not working at this time because he's obviously trying
to file for permanent disability benefits, and we see that
he's having a difficulty during this year and getting the
Social Security benefits from May of nineteen seventy four for
permanent disability. So he has a lot of reasons to
(48:17):
be angry. And I always talk about these trigger points
that causes him to do what he does. So, you know,
heading off to Texas and then again we've got three
girls that went missing. That's what's intriguing me about this
is that we have, you know, doubles and triples when
most of your serial killers I feel like, are taking
just single victims at a time. I mean, how many
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people want three teenagers you know on their hands?
Speaker 4 (48:44):
Really?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
So, and when we are evidence, and that was the
thing about Jack is that he left. He always left
hardly no evidence, like right, and there's literally no evidence
here whatsoever. And this is why I was very true
and very zodiac because they all they had, all the
evidence that was left was a locked car in a
(49:07):
Sears parking lot, even the gifts that they had purchased
that day because they went shopping for gifts.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
So that tells me that they were abducted. After making
it back to the car and dropping their gifts off,
maybe with some type of a ploy like an animal
or a security guard. You know, the same kind of
thing that runs in tandem with the Texas murders, the
I forty five murders, which is well Oakland County. Child
was the dog Ruise, the security guard Ruse was in
the I forty five. So we're down to our last
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fifteen seconds. Thank you there, and there was in Lindsay there, Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay.
I'm down to the last ten seconds. I need to
sign off. We can pick this back up next week.
I want to thank you both for being here. Lindsay,
if you want to join us again next week, we'll
continue on with this. But everybody, have a wonderful weekend
and we'll see you next Friday.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
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Speaker 4 (50:12):
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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
I'd like to welcome to the show today, Nolan del
Campo and Lindsay mcbrair. Hello, good morning. Are you with
(01:13):
us just by phone today?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Well, I should show my picture.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I don't see your picture. You must have your video off.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, I think my siety is bother me. So I
got like all these patch, these little patch things on
until I get to the it's an error surgeon.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, you need somebody to drill your butt. Yeah, there's
a muscle in there that I guarantee you will help
relieve that. What's that?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I get started in my hand because you know, I'm
typing all day long, so.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Right right all the way up. I laughed because my
cousin whenever he sees me if his ssiatic is messing up,
he's like, hey, cause I need you to drill my ass.
I'm like, you know, if anybody walking by heard that
I'm bad, that sounds I think that.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Was still just now.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well I was.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You got a volunteer over here.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Right, Well, there's you can take like one of those
hard massage balls and you can actually sit on it
and roll around. Find the sore spot. Find there. There'll
be a spot that hurts so bad the second it
touches it. You're even you're usually even unaware that that
spot hurts because you're dealing with the pain of the nerve.
(02:39):
But very very interesting and very effective. But yeah, no one,
if you need some help, I'll drill your ass.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
All right.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Well, we left off last week on your notes, which
I thought, I'm going to give this another turn around here,
We're going to go back at it because I was
looking at some of the things on it and I
wanted to kind of just get an idea of how
your brain works and how you put these things together
so you can see what's on the screen, right mm hmm, Yeah, Okay,
So you had put on here who is J. G. Schaeffer,
(03:12):
What was that in regards to the movie The Borderland.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So he was a cop in Florida that was actually
turned it turned into a serial killer and he was
actually a suspect. Yeah, he was actually a suspect in Well,
I guess that, like they had put they had contacted
the the cops in Indian River County at the time
(03:41):
of Adam's murder, just to see if if he had
any significance, because they had him running around killing women
and tying the trees apparently in the woods. Yeah, right,
and I think that's why he was in there. But
he's actually a very interesting individual. So I think he
(04:02):
was definitely one of those targeted ones that they made
crazy Florida.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Was he operated in Florida, Florida? Okay, and right around
the time of the Walsh disappearance or after.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
In the early eighties, Okay. I think he was an
active cop in seventy eight, seventy nine throughout until obviously
until they called him and then, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Where's the psychological test for these individuals? I mean, come on, now,
we we basically employed and tax paying dollars go to
this individual who ends up being a serial killer. We
really got the Angelo too, right, I mean purportedly.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And their military backgrounds some type of law enforcement is
that every single time?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
That's crazy. Now it goes on to say the railroad
killer Raphael Ramirez born in Matam Morris, Mexico. He went
back and forth from Mexico to Texas leading bodies and
then he let's to say, attended his or continued his spree.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
No, okay, yeah, he continues spray down to Florida.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Okay, so all of these people you're kind of researching
in regards to the possibility of Adam Walsh's murder.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Then yeah, now it all connects to the CIA and
mind control of the government, you know, controlling the all
these serial killers and everything.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Now, I know that Epstein had several ranches, if you will.
I mean he had the island, but he also had
other locations around. Did he have one in Colorado?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Uh, that was I think it's just a couple of
slots back from last time. I can't think of his
name was his it was his ranch?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah? Yeah, okay. I was just wondering if I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Be surprised since they were involved in the air trail.
Uh if Ebstein knew them for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Right right. So basically you've gone on down here and
you're indicating c I A with the Matamorris ranch, which
obviously you have crossed back connected to this Raphael Ramirez,
who you state is a serial killer as well. He
was basically killing both in Texas and in Mexico and Florida.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And so that was I think that was the ranch
that no one was mentioned of a couple of times
back where they would take like one of those Cia
ranches where they would take people and they and you
never see him again. That was the Matamoros ranch.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Gotcha and they got that name from him from Ramirez.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Okay, So I know that we had some Hispanics that
were killed in Texas and Jack or Zodiac if we,
if you will. In the two thousand and five finale
letter indicated that he had not killed anybody who was
Hispanic or Oriental and that there was other people out
there killing. Do you know the time frame that Ramirez.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
It was definitely in that time frame. I didn't write
a date on.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
There were the laws in and around the Warez which
is borders al Paso, Texas, but mostly there were young
women that worked at the Makila Does, which is American
factories in the border of Mexico with Mexican employees mainly
(07:52):
young women, underpaid young women, and there was and the
cops covered it up completely. No one really ever got
brought to justice on those There's a really good book
on that.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Oh that might be something that we dive into. I
was just I mean, if this is what's happening in
the eighties and the research has cross connected these because
of these murders during the eighties, that's what the finale
letter specifically states is in the eighties series, there is
more than one killer and that he did not kill
(08:24):
anybody who was Hispanic or Oriental. So may be this
individual here that is the perpetrator of those particular crimes.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So sorry, the main point that he's not the only
killer on this team.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Or oh yeah, conglomerate of killers or he's.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Following Obviously he obviously knows them and knows who they
are and who they have killed, because you know, that's
literally what he says in the letter.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
You know, well, he doesn't say he knows. He doesn't
say he knows who they are. I mean it kind
of like going back to the Zodiac where he says,
I didn't didn't bomb that you know, police station, or
killed a cap on the police station steps with the bomb,
because he had already made statements that he was going
to use a bomb. Now he's kind of backpedaling because
(09:19):
he really didn't have an intention of using a bomb.
He really just wanted to keep the cops busy chasing
after school buses. And so when the bomb actually exploded,
I don't know if somebody was just kind of piggybacking
on his fame at that point, and oh, I can
get away with this because the Zodiac has claimed he's
going to do it. And then the Zodiac comes out
and says, well, wait a minute, not me, huh, not today, saying.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
He also had a bunch of like drawings of locations
of where he's gonna put the bomb and of the
bomb the mechanisms in the bomb itself, and.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Those diagrams are extremely consistent with the way Jack drew diagrams.
In fact, Dennis had actually just opposed one of the
ones from the Zodiac case and something that Jack had
been known to draw, and I have those eventually when
we get through the end of this presentation, we're going
to talk about all the commonalities between the letters, from
the linguistics to the drawings, to statements that are made,
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to the diagrams, cross connecting all of that stuff so
that everybody can see. You know, it's more than just
a handwriting match with Jack, It's it's an overall profile
of Jack that is consistent with the zodiac. And we're
going to look at those so on down to Mexico,
Texas and Florida, Ever yet an Everglades camp. And this
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was all protected by what you said was the hand
of death. Now isn't that?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
And c i A protects all these groups, gotcha?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And what real quick?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Back to Jodiet real quick.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
At one time, one of the ciphers was decoded to
state a location where he was going to plant the
bomb to blow up the kids in the school bus.
That was Green Valley Road in Fairfield, right off the
highwayway or six Grassdale.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
There was a thought in regards to Green Valley. I
know that they changed Reader overpass shortly after my involvement
getting involved with these particular cases. They literally dumped a
bunch of debris right smack dab in the center of
where I believe either Harriet or somebody had completed a
(11:34):
saw that put us on Greenboutley Road, and when I
went back to look, they had dumped all kinds of
construction debris right in the center of the round where
we used to be able to go around to get
onto the freeway and back on, and they were creating
a new overpass, so you no longer even run, you know,
ground imaging devices over the top of it, because it
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was literally piled high with cement and all kinds of
other stuff, almost as for what they were going to
build build that off ramp, which was kind of interesting.
But yes, by the time that solved, you can no
longer like go look at that particular area that she
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plotted out. But there was a cipher in the Zodiac
stuff that said, this code coupled with the map is
going to tell you where the bomb is. But I
think that's the Z thirty two. But I don't believe
anybody has physically solved that, at least not from law
enforcement's perspective or or you know, ORANGEHAC or anybody else.
I think that one is still kind of sitting out
there unsolved at this point. Okay, so Hand of Death
(12:42):
isn't that the one with the smiley face murders or no?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
So that was what autist tool and Harry Lucas was.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Who claimed to be from the hand of death. I
feel like there was a serial killer that associated themselves
with that or was that O tool or tool? And
you care? Yes, I think we've lost Lindsay no girlfriend,
if you're not here, well if she comes back, Wilson,
(13:19):
I don't think you right well. And then she also
provided these but I thought these were interesting and we
can't actually speak about them. She called this in the
uh birthday book for Epstein, and I'm not sure what
the idea or concept behind the birthday book was, unless
it was him creating a book of all his birthday
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events and to do's. They had kind of one of
those fake news articles that says vanity unfair. But it
looks like somebody else like cut and pasted Jeffrey Epstein's
name into each and every single one of these. So
I really wanted to find out what the origin of
this particular cover and why it says things like jeff
Free Epstein's bloody summer, Jeffrey Epstein's looks like a chaotic
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rampage bring it on, Jeffrey Epstein, Consume me, Jeffrey, Intoxicate me, Jeffrey.
It's and it's on the cover of like I said,
it's called Vanity Unfair. That is actually got a picture
of Nicole Kidman on it. So I think that was
kind of interesting. Hopefully she comes back I can ask
her about that. The one that was more interesting was
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this actual picture over here where they have blacked out
an other individual's face and it says he is the
boyfriend of and of course her name is redacted. We
think he works for the CIA. Now that would kind
of make some sense.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I can hear lindsay. I don't know why you can't.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Are you there, Nolan?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
You can hear me either.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Check your speakers, you guys, Yeah, hear you, Nolan, and
I cannot hear you. Can hear me my speaker's settings.
See what's going on.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I can hear you.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I can't.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
Okay, hold on one, see if I can get to this.
Oh yeah, oh, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I can hear you perfectly.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
All right, Hey, I guess you had to go out
and come back in.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Okay, but you can hear me and I and I
can hear you, so yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I think was that one in the chat? I think
she I think he.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
Uh yeah, now I can hear you.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I okay, good.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I don't know what happened there. I just evidently lost everything.
You can go back there, you're yeah, yeah, we would
go back to the notes, all right.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So well, yeah, so as soon as you were asking
who who was the part of the head of the
death that was whenever you went out like I guess
you couldn't hear me, but I was saying Audust Tool
and Henry lu Lucas okay, also the ones that were
blamed about those several murders in Texas, Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And that and yes works into Finders cult.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
And that goes to Foinder's cult. Just because of the
c i A and the Virginia I don't know if
you you, I don't know if you've researched the Finder School.
I assume maybe no one is probably more familiar with it. Yeah,
it was. It was just very hidden c I It's
in uh and they only released a few documents from
(16:45):
the c i A in that case is where they were. Mysteriously,
these guys were in the in this van in near Virginia,
near fair in Fairfax, uh that area and uh and
they had these random children in there in their little
band and they claimed they made this whole fabricated story
(17:09):
up about where whose children they were and what and
that they were doing something, that they were doing good
and so they were just let go and and and
later investigated very briefly, and uh it was a lot
of researchers linked it back to the boys Club and
uh that they were having uh, these boys there and
(17:30):
having these political figures and that type of thing come
to visit and get their little whatever they.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Do, you know, for political pedophilia.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Then yeah, yep.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And that you have connected to Cuba with Fidel Castro
and Haiti says Cia wanted him dead, avoided all assassination attempts.
What does that mean to you, Gail Castro? I meant
so Fidel Castro avoided all assassination attempt.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's just like a mirror. It's kind
of like a mirror of what they did Trump. They
tried to you know, we know they tried to assassinate
him many times and many towns that are not reported.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
So I think what happened after they killed JFK that
they pretty much didn't worry about Castro as much anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
It was when.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
JFK was live because JFK was exploring behind the scenes, uh,
normalization of relations with Cuba, and that's the one thing
they did not want. So once JFK was dead, that
wasn't gonna happen anymore, so they back backed off their efforts.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
To assassinate Castro.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
At that point, they still had thoughts, but they never
really followed through.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Was it before after JFK that they that Castro had
shut down all the casinos the mobsters casinos and hotels.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, that was nineteen sixty shut him down.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Got your JFK was.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Assassinated during his first year in office. He took he
took over fifty nine within the years. He uh yeah,
that's that's why the mob was so mad at him,
because they got kicked out of Havana.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It's free money. They they don't mess with my free money.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Is one of the guys that I involved assassination. It's
also a plumber in the watergate breaking. He was a
henchman and for the mob he used to run or
be the muscle and a couple of the casinos French sturgeons.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Oh, Okay, in the days.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
The takeover, the mob days JFK assassination, he's there in Dallas.
And then he was one of the plumbers in the
Watergate baking breaking French Sturgeons.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
And that's the CIA operating on land right.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Stup CIA operative.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yes, because CIA is not supposed to be operating on
US soil, right, they were meant for.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
And that's why they have all these connections to these foreign.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Governments, gotcham so they can go on to the.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Intelligence from them that they need in order to blackmail
the US.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So then that connection then works into what you had
stated was Nazis and CIA, which I think he just
briefly explained. And if together CIA controlled Haiti for American
corporate interests, not actual interests to the United States government.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's where they that's where the Clintons come in.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
But also even way before that, back to the JFK assassination,
one of the controllers of Lee, Harvey, Oswald and Marina
was the Morin Schultz and worst was an engineer and
it was in the oil industry and he was.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
In eighty often trint to negotiate.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
He did major contracts in Haiti for oil exploration and
oil development and importing oil and de Morrishell was later
uh he was going to be interviewed by a prominent
journalist and in regard to the jfk assassination, and the
(21:25):
day before that interview he was found dead.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
He was suicidal. He was shot in the face with
the shotgun, but he was It's been common that he
was the primary Dallas connection with Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
He was I not you're thinking go ahead, Yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
To me just kind of takes me back to the
Oakland County child killer with Chris Bush being suicided with
a shotgun.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
And then you have I have a photo of an
old picture of Lee Harvey Oswald in the background in
the like I think it's like the back third row.
There's that you have a young George Bush in this
picture as well.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
With who Yeah, I would like to see it too.
I mean, obviously, if Lee Harvey Oswald is in Texas,
we do know that the Bush you know, family has
relations to Texas. He was a young kid at the
book depository. We we do see his involvement surrounding the
(22:39):
stuff with Harvey Lee Oswald. So it's not too far
out to think that they ran in some of the
same circles for sure.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Mm hmmm, yep.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So then that that led you to Aleister Crowley. Now
is that through how how did how did that connection
be made?
Speaker 4 (23:01):
So he is the leader of these cults that are
were you know that we heard around that time going
around Yeah, and that's uh, that's why they that's why
you have to see a covering for these people and
why you know, just so happened to be that there's
(23:24):
an ancestry connection to George to Barbara Bush, linking her
to Alistair Crowley. And we know who Barbara Bush is.
That was George Bush's mother, and that was the wife
of George Bush.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
And Crowley was also ye the odio or tempest or
Dallas I forget the exact name. I think it's called
the odeo which yeah, thirty three, yeah, which is that's
another word for highest level of but but but but
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his protege in the United States, Crowley was a British guy.
His protege in the United States was Jack Parsons, who
found founded Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which is the main you know,
jet propulsion engineers for NASSA. They did not do jet propulsion.
(24:25):
They did rocket propulsion. They call it j p L
because those are his initials. That that was the inside
joke at the stands for Jack Parsons Laboratory, not jet propulsion,
because they're not doing jet propulsion, they're doing rocket proposal.
And he ended up dying in a lab accident at
his own under suspicious place. But he was like the
(24:50):
second highest ranking ODO guy after Crowley, and he was
trying to do these weird experiments to do a pain
the highest level of ODEO.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And that they were doing. And uh, it's pretty.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Story we have, yeah, and that's why you have the
c I A here communicating with them and in order
to cover for all of these operations, and uh, they're
getting this intelligence from these other people like he just
(25:30):
said in the and these other scientists, these foreign scientists,
in order to do things to America under these operations,
but secretly through these other intelligence agencies.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I wondered, I've always wondered, kind of like the boy Scouts,
how many badges did you have to get to get
to what level of uh masonry in the Freemasons. My
grandfather I have his it's an apron basically, or it's
a I'll call it an apron because I don't know
what they referred to it as, but it indicates that
he was a thirty second degree Mason. What do you
(26:06):
have to do to get that high?
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Most astronauts, Yeah, most astronauts are free Masons, if not all,
And many of the muckamucks at NASA are thirty three
level Masons. And one of the astronauts on the Moon
missions took actual mason flag up to the.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Moon with him.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I thought these were stone builders. How do you go
from NASA to stone building.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
It? They went way beyond that, Yeah, way back to Yes,
the other.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Ones that built Washington, d C. But they designed the
city in such a weird way that you can tell
already that that there's already very cultish and different guys.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
I just had to share one said, one step at
a time. Is it is?
Speaker 4 (27:01):
It is. It's a lot to take in because it's
been going on for so long that.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Europe yep, all right, so you have.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
And then that goes all the way back through the
through the Clinton's and all the way up to now
because I've actually went to a hole where the events
that happened last week actually links back to some of
these things.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Well, so you it indicated that Aleister Crowley was British Intelligence.
Did you have information to support that that he was
m I six or was that.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
He was British?
Speaker 5 (27:40):
But I don't think he was involved with the British
intelligence apparatus. He was an author and a very prolific author,
and he had a very wild belief and a lot
of what his beliefs led to were other offshoot cults.
They were very somewhat satanistic and very Sudonistic, and a
lot of sex.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
And that's where yeah, and that's where I like these
cults to him, because.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
So basically it sounds to me like he's the grand
schemer idea that's set in place to cause these offshoots
or to to build and mind train others to pick
up on and take some It's kind of like religion, right,
everybody started at one place, and now all of a sudden,
we've got all these different religions. So we've got the
(28:26):
schools and how.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
We got religion scientology from Crowley's writings, right, and then
the Processed Church, which the founders belong Scientology, they broke
off became their own sect called the Processed Church, and
then were what's known as Luciferians, which is they did
(28:51):
it for freedom and sexual freedom and basically hedonists, but
they're known as Luciferians and as a posted other darker
side of Satanism, which is just a more vile, evil side.
But it was a blend. The processed church was murdered people.
They were part of the Son of Sam situation.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Well, then I can kind of see how so many
people have self arrived at a theory that the zodiac
was part of some type of a Satanic coult. If
all of this is all so meshed and mixed together.
This morning, obviously, just before I'd gotten onto the show,
I had simply thought to myself, I remembered back to
the Netflix docuseries in regards to it's called The Family,
(29:35):
and it was in regards to the annual prayer breakfast
that these politicians could get away with pretty much anything,
whether it's killing, drugs, lying, cheating, you know, anything they
wanted to get away with was not considered a sin
so much as they were a vessel speaking God's word.
And as long as they were that vessel, then they
were kind of they weren't going to discover the rap
(29:59):
yeah to any you know, type of persecution or adjudication
or anything else that the normal person would have to suffer.
And that brought me to thinking, like Charlie Kirk, you know,
they had talked about the possibilities of him being one
of the first conservative presidents, and he's speaking so largely
on the word of God, how much he could have
(30:20):
gotten away with because he simply speaks the word of God,
as that docuseries kind of indicates. So I talked to
myself that, yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
That's where it comes in that and that's the reason
why he was It was not the trans bull crap
that they're putting out there.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Related wasn't that there's a lot of different things going
on here. It's it's not He wasn't really talking about
the assassination for saying this or that, positive or negative.
He was saying, just the way everyone's spinning it, spinning it,
they're they're they're taking this and use it for their
own purposes, was the point Kimmel was making.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And then got care But I think that's exactly what
the the propaganda is by media is to cause all
of these spinouts, to cause everybody to go in different
directions to argue their own theories too. It's just it's
just another device to control us, basically, because we're now
spending our time talking about it, posting on it, dealing
(31:21):
with social media over it, the heat is really large.
I'm actually quite surprised. Ever since I relieved myself from
the obligation of speaking about that ever again on social media,
I stopped seeing things about it. I thought that was
absolutely fabulous. I don't want I want happy things.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
And another thing with general when you relieve yourself from that,
you that's where the peace comes, right.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
But the point I was gonna rate is the general
public takes for granted the honesty integrity of law enforcement entities,
and oftentimes history has proven to us, like look at
the history of FBI and Janiger Hoover.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
He was crooking as a c and the FBI itself
is over the.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Years is is impeded a lot of in better persons
sodieat investigation.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
So and then if you look at the.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Lad and the LADA offices. I'm rereading the book on
Black Dahlia right now. Another there's like eight other murders
around that time in LA from forty seven to forty nine,
and the LAPD squashed it. There was a cover up
the they Hodel was one of their suspects and they
(32:25):
protected him because he was part of an abortion ring
because abortion was illegal back then. But in a lot
of those people were getting cops were getting girls pregnant,
and they needed abortions.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Right was protection is he was helping out the cops
with abortions. I know that.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I know that when Dennis and I took down the
negatives from the film that we believe shows the active
torture of Black Dahlia to the LAPD, they allowed me
to sit and do the handwriting, which the captain that
was over seeing the detective that was working the cold
cases that became in charge of the Black Dahlia, he
(33:05):
was like chomping at the bit. I don't know. I
feel like the man might even have been spun out
or something, because his mouth was just going even though
he's not talking. He's just listening, but his mouth isn't going,
like he's drooling over this. And we leave out of there,
and then we receive notification from the detective that she
was told not to touch it. So you're right about
them squashing things, and he literally, you know, basically ordered
(33:30):
her that she will not investigate or research anything that
we brought in regards to that case, and that really
busted her chops because she honestly thought that she was
going to do some good in the case, kind of
like I think I felt when I realized that Jack's
writing was such a match and that his overall everything
about him was consistent with what we were looking for
in the Zodiac Killer. So and to know nobody wants
(33:52):
to pay attention and nobody wants to investigate it is
very disheartening because we're bringing them the evidence that they
need to take a look at this stuff, and people
just don't want to investigate it. Unlike Deborah Perez, Let's
give her one hundred hours. I mean, the woman saying
one year she's JFK's love child and then the next
year she's the daughter of the Zodiac killer. Come on,
somebody picks something here. So is what she's saying is
(34:13):
that JFK is the Zodiac I mean.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Come on, Oh yeah, the lead detective thought he had
a primary suspect from Zodiac and when he went public
to his higher up with it, they took.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Him off the case, right, yeah, the same thing they did.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
And then later.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
With the Robert Kennedy assassination, the LAPD botched that on purpose.
The two of the main guys in chargement were connected
to CIA and the FBI.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And maybe more well.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
And that's what I'm trying to tell you. They're doing
the same exact thing right now with Charlie's murder, because
it is deeper than their letting people know because they
were getting too close, like like like like you were
getting too close in the Zodiac case, he was getting
too close. So Israelian government issues, uh, and they knew
(35:17):
it because he had refused money from Israel for his
company for the Turning Point.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
And we're talking over each other constantly, and I'm not
able to hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Oh sorry, I think it's like, uh, it's I think
sometimes it's off. It's like not real time lag.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah, yeah, gotcha. So what were you saying, Nolan.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
That they're trying to paint him, is this left wing,
crazy radical with an agenda against right wing people like
Marjorie Taylor whatever her name is, and people like that
and Fox's they're trying to say, No, he's a radical
left winger who hates all conservatives. That's not the truth,
but they're they're they're trying to pigeonhole him into that
(36:16):
role when it's complex of that. And that's what Lindsay's said,
that there's way more behind than what meet ci and
what the media is trying to put out.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
So you believe that he was offered money. So is
this kind of like the theory that Adam Walsh was
killed because John Walsh refused to run drugs for the Bahamas?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I mean, yeah, they like I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I don't either. I'm not sure where that evidence came
up about Israel and and him turning down money. Is
that just another one of those conspiracy theories that are
flying out there? Or do people know that?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
No, I have proof, I have proof, and Canice Owens
has proof?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
If you him, I don't. I don't watch the news
you got I don't know anybody.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
She uh was was thrown in there to be some
to be a candidate for something at one time, and
uh got pushed out because of her truths that she had.
Gotcha so now she did so now she has a
million view podcasts right now. That's why I was like,
That's why I thought you knew who she was because
(37:26):
many people most people do. But she is putting out receipts.
So and then I'm going back and I'm researching. I'm
going back behind her and researching these receipts, and so
far these receipts are factual. And it literally goes back
to Robert Maxwell and his dealings with Israel in the
(37:47):
propaganda behind the media and everything.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Oh shut up, yeah, we're on the next line.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Even it relates to Epstein to it all. Literally, I'm
not kidding.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Well, I did enter in that vanity unfair article that
you sent me. And of course I don't know why.
The picture of him in a speedo, good lord. I
don't think that those are appropriate for anything unless you're swimming.
I'm sorry, unless you're like a professional swimmer.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
You need less drag, less drag.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
What's that.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Chair, It's like a cabana.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
No, they blocked somebody out of it.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
They they Oh, you're talking about the other picture. I
thought he was referring to the one of him in
a speedo.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Oh yeah, they blocked it. Whoever that was face.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Are you with me or are you having Oh no,
I don't know. If he froze up, he froze I
think he was when he said what's next to him?
I don't he wasn't referring to which picture that was? Yeah,
I think he froze to Okay, So which picture were
(39:22):
you talking about? No, that's Nonette.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Oh okay walked out the.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Hold On, it's a dress, but it's a horrible like
curtain dress.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
From that's what.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
You called that? The birthday book? And what what do
you mean by birthday book?
Speaker 4 (39:51):
So on his fiftieth birthday, uh, Gislaine Maxwell put together
of all his buddies and friends and and associations that
broke they had they she wanted a piece from each
of them to put in this book to make for
for his fiftieth birthday. And so these all these pieces
were put in from all these different people as to uh,
(40:15):
wishing him a happy fiftieth birthday. So that so this
vanity fair one was put in by hold On, there
is one from Trump.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Well, no, but the vanity unfair was put in by who.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
It was put in by the actual the I don't
know what they call it in Britain. Uh in in
Britain who is like the president of Britain. I don't
know what they call it, but that guy is the
one who put yeah, oh interesting, and he had like
a whole like three page letter to go with it.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
And so we have even and you had mentioned Trump
had put something into this book. Yes, media, dang me not.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Is out there.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Oh gotcha. So you've just kind of been going.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Through it that it's on the dog gov website.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Okay. And so this picture to a lot in the
girl there's a picture of him next to a female
and that's what you see him standing next to and
her face has been blacked out. Her name has been
redacted from the actual photo and it said he is
the boyfriend of and that's redacted. We think he works
for the CIA. So somebody just randomly wrote.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Out his girlfriends. So so Slaine even reached out to
old girl girlfriends for this book so they so they
could put their wish their birthday wishes in the book too.
It goes all the way back from from his birth
all the way up to fifty, from all these people
that he's met up until fifty. And that was like
(42:03):
the purpose of this book for his birthday.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Too.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Very sexual or.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Yeah, but I just pulled this little this person that
put that added this to their part of the birth
that wish because of the what they added in and
what they put in here, and it was very kind
of disturbing if you.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Want to read it out, which which part.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Of the vanity fair like who uh, Jack the Ripper
was it at Jeffrey Epstein? Al Qaeda in South America
perpetrated by Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein stole my heart and then
bring it on Jeffrey. So it's like.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Somebody who's mean. It kind of sounds like somebody is
just making him the mastermind of all kinds of things
that he is potentially responsible for for all kinds of
things by in a joking way.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Joe, Yeah, joking away, but yeah, it's still.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
I don't think thats what we know. I don't think
it was a joke really.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, because it's kind of biting.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Right well, And to say we think he works for
the CIA almost kind of takes us back to he
was nobody until nineteen ninety six and then Poofy's on
top of the world and becomes one of the richest
people in the United States. Basically who knows as far
as worldwide is concerned. But it sounded to me like
he had an end of supply of money. All right, Well, Lelly, Jack.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
The Ripper comes up, because Jack Ripper also comes up
in the in the The Black Dahlia that whoever was
the murderer, whether it was Ogel.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Or someone else or a group of two years later, right.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
That says that they were trying to emulate Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Well, Hodell wouldn't even been born, but I could understand
if somebody was attempting to mimic his particular types of murders.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
But well, there was a movie that came out. The
original version was a Hitchcock film in the sixties. It's
called a Lodger, but it was a remake of it
in nineteen forty five that was more famous, with a
really merle Oberon and famous actors in it. That was
(44:29):
really successful movie, but scary as hell. Again about Jack
the Ripper, so it would have been fresh in the
Black Dahlia culprit.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
He probably saw that movie in forty five mm.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Well, and I advised the audience to go take a
look at what a picture of Jack the Ripper, and
just then you can see how he would be the
Ebstein positive.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
At that time, I didn't think that they had identified
I thought they had not figured out who Jack the
Ripper was.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
If the theory is is he was a doctor.
Speaker 9 (45:07):
Gotay, okay, Well, moving back on into our world in
our time frame, is a set of murders that occurred
that Lindsay had given to me on December twenty period
of nineteen seventy.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Four in Fourworth, Texas. I know this takes us back
from the years, but I had not addressed this because
I had not seen these unsolved murders. And I did
do a little research in the presentation to see if
I could figure out what Jack was up to. But
they went to see from the mall and they were
parked in the Sears Purking broad which is probably why
you tied this in because of the Adam Walsh abduction
(45:41):
at Sears, right, Lindsay.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
Yeah, it was very airy. Right.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
So we had three girls that went missing, Mary Rachel Trellica,
Lisa Rene Wilson, and Julianne Moseley. So basically for fort
Worth Missing Trio referred to an unsolved missing person's case
in which three girls went missing while shopping at the
Seminary Style shopping center in Fort Worth, Texas on December
(46:08):
twenty third, nineteen seventy four, the car that the girls
had been driving was left behind in the parking lot
at the mall, and the girls themselves have not been
seen since. So I went back to nineteen seventy four.
This is a very busy year for communications from the Zodiac.
We had the Citizen letter, the Urbcaine letter, we had
the Count Marco letter, the Dona last Christmas card on
December eighteenth and nineteen seventy four. I'm sorry no, Donal
(46:31):
last Christmas card was more around the Christmas time, but
on December eighteenth of nineteen seventy four, we have a
Santa Barbara area girl goes missing as well. I've not
had any updates on that particular case, but it is
in the presentation. And I wanted to note that we
know that when Jack would leave California, he would make
his way down south through southern California and then to
(46:52):
the left or to the east on his way to Texas,
and so this kind of reminded me, also like the
mailing of JFK's card to the Dallas Police Department where
he was purchased in Lancaster, Palmdale, either purchased or and
mailed in one of these two cities, but two of
these cities are related, and that is on your path
(47:12):
down and out to Texas, which we know that Jack
at that particular time had also left his job at
GE in nineteen sixty three and was headed to Texas
to supposedly put up two mobile homes. So then we
do see that murder that is kind of like the
exit murder that I'd like to talk about. I feel
like the Zodiac would commit a murder when he was
researching a new place, then he would come back that
(47:34):
we would have another murder just before he moved out,
and then wherever he went to we would see subsequent
murders that occurred, and that exit strategy to tend to
work on the next location that he moved to as well.
I show that Jack is busted for poaching on March
of nineteen seventy four, and he's put on one year
probation with restriction to guns, and he's filed a work
comp claim in November of nineteen seventy three against South
(47:56):
Lake Tahoe Linen Company. But the doctor in his report
thinks that Jack is up to more than he claims.
Jack's not working at this time because he's obviously trying
to file for permanent disability benefits, and we see that
he's having a difficulty during this year and getting the
Social Security benefits from May of nineteen seventy four for
permanent disability. So he has a lot of reasons to
(48:17):
be angry. And I always talk about these trigger points
that causes him to do what he does. So, you know,
heading off to Texas and then again we've got three
girls that went missing. That's what's intriguing me about this
is that we have, you know, doubles and triples when
most of your serial killers I feel like, are taking
just single victims at a time. I mean, how many
(48:39):
people want three teenagers you know on their hands?
Speaker 4 (48:44):
Really?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
So, and when we are evidence, and that was the
thing about Jack is that he left. He always left
hardly no evidence, like right, and there's literally no evidence
here whatsoever. And this is why I was very true
and very zodiac because they all they had, all the
evidence that was left was a locked car in a
(49:07):
Sears parking lot, even the gifts that they had purchased
that day because they went shopping for gifts.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
So that tells me that they were abducted. After making
it back to the car and dropping their gifts off,
maybe with some type of a ploy like an animal
or a security guard. You know, the same kind of
thing that runs in tandem with the Texas murders, the
I forty five murders, which is well Oakland County. Child
was the dog Ruise, the security guard Ruse was in
the I forty five. So we're down to our last
(49:35):
fifteen seconds. Thank you there, and there was in Lindsay there, Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay.
I'm down to the last ten seconds. I need to
sign off. We can pick this back up next week.
I want to thank you both for being here. Lindsay,
if you want to join us again next week, we'll
continue on with this. But everybody, have a wonderful weekend
and we'll see you next Friday.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Your man the
Speaker 4 (50:12):
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