August 15, 2025 • 50 mins
The FBI and John Walsh withhold these Scorpion letters for 15 years. Jack retires in 1991 and goes back to Texas. Interesting things begin taking place like the letters to John Walsh from Scorpion. Narrative of the Zodiac Killer has changed from who will play me in a movie, to let me help you get it right, and I can beat all counter-measures of the CIA and FBI. Zodiac Killer claimed smarter than the cops and FBI. Unsolved cryptographs, cryptograms, and ciphers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
I must apologize for last week's episode, which was improperly
labeled as John Walsh and the Scorpion Letters. We are
going to get to that today during this podcast, but
I did attempt to relabel that because all we truly
(01:14):
covered was the Christmas card and another anonymous letter, which
we're going to talk a little bit more about today.
So I'm going to welcome on Lindsay mcgrair.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Hey, how are y'all?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm doing great? How about yourself?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Good? It's Friday.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It is Friday. I'm so excited. It has been one
hell of a week after returning from Alaska. I have
been absolutely slammed, but it was very My interest is
very pequed in regards to that Charlie Reese Sentinel letter
that you sent me, because we have got some dirt
to talk about on that. But first I want to
(01:54):
I want to cover somebody who has reached out to
me claiming another suspect. He does believe that they are
part of a group. He does not want any of
his information shown, so I'm just going to kind of
brief and go over some of the research that occurred
over this contact. His email to me said I have
information on the Zodiac that has not been released. I
(02:16):
don't know what he could possibly mean by that, because
he did say he's former law enforcement, so maybe he
does have some type money in I know he says
I am the one popping up in the last video.
I don't know what he means by that because the
last video was a pre record, it was not live,
so I'm not sure where he popped up, and I
didn't see any real notifications from him, but he said
(02:38):
I'd like to speak to Nolan and let it be
covered by attorney client privilege. Privilege. This is new information
and not from old case files and attached to a
person not named publicly. You cannot go over the files
and find this information. The local police are taking it
very seriously. If you can have Nolan call me, I
have called him, but the voicemail is full. Please haven't
(02:59):
called me any day at three pm Central time one
pm his time any day. So I of course forwarded
that onto Nolan. Nolan did reach out to him. I
was hoping Nolan was going to be here this morning
to talk about this a little bit. He may have
gotten caught up with a court hearing or something to
that effect. Anyways, this individual then proceeded to send over
(03:23):
I guess Nolan had instructed him to send evidence over
to me. So far as I can tell, the evidence
isn't kind of winding out too very much, and it
did cause me to do some research.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Of course, I know that the zodiacsiphers dot com site,
this is a list of who they have as potential suspects,
which many have already been ruled out, so I'm not
sure why they're still showing these out. Arthur Lee Allen
obviously at the very top named the primed suspect. We
have told you guys until we were blue in the
face and showed you evidence that supports Arthur Lee Allen
(03:55):
was not the Zodiac Killer. And then we had Earl
Van Best Junior by Gary Stewart, which we've proved that
the handwriting he had examined belonged to the minister who
married his dad and mom, Garth Penn and Michael O'Hare,
Oh gosh, George Hodell and most evil. I think that
Harriet has kind of weaved a a solve that indicates
(04:18):
that George Hodell may have had some type of involvement
with this group. I'm not sure what gray Smith Unmasked
is supposed to lead to. Larry Kane again not a
very good suspect, Lyndon Lafferty and the Silenced Badge. I'm
not sure who this is. Richard gray Kowski again it
(04:39):
actually says the wrong man and Richard Marshall aka Donald
Jeff Andrews, and then Zodiac and the Unibomber. Although I
would have to say that the Zodiac made it extremely
clear that he did not actively use any bombs. While
he used that as a ploy, he had stated that
he was never going to blow up children anyways, that
(05:00):
leads us to this neck.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Give a picture.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Hand Darleen was can approximately five foot nine. I did
strike a line across the top of Darlene's head, just
to kind of give us an idea how much taller
this individual may potentially be than it looks like. It's
roughly about five to nine. Now what I did learn,
(05:30):
and this picture is covered over here on the right
hand side, because this is the new suspect, and I've
been asked not to release any of the information for
fear that something may happen to the individual who is
reporting this information to us. I'm not sure, Lindsay, why
people reach out to me if they don't want to
give me all the truth. I mean, what is the potential?
(05:52):
Are you still there, Lindsay? I think I've lost Lindsay again,
if you don't want to give me all of the
information that you have to look into and see whether
or not this person is a potential set for this.
There you go, There you are?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Okay. I kept hitting the micropron thing and it wouldn't
it wouldn't let me click it off. But I was
just going to say, real quick, like when you just
went over that list of those suspects, there is an
indicator and there is a sequence I see of similarities
with these people that were named and that have been
(06:32):
named in several different instances of being the zodiac in
which we just rolled that out. I think they are
connected in a different way to the government and to
the CIA, So just keep that in mind, gotcha.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Okay, So they're looking at him and well, and evidently
this individual who's reached out to me as indicated that
his suspect is also a stepfather, just like Dennis's step
dad Jack, and that he was related to the CIA
in the secret service type industry. At some point, I'm
(07:06):
not really capable of making out a lot of his
information because it doesn't come in flowing. And he indicates
his former law enforcement and that he is has a
master's or something in forensics, and I think he'd be
able to plot out this information in a way that
was far more palatable so that it could make sense.
(07:27):
But so far I'm not getting a lot of sense
made out of anything. But he did so.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I will say that almost all those suspects on that list,
if not all of them, have a military background or
a military background within their family. That's very prominent.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I thought that I thought that Richard Gaikowski did not
hold on because there was two people, and I thought
Richard Gaikowski was one of them that did not have
a military background, and which case the twenty twenty Documents
docuseries where the Orange chac fella who claims to have
solved the three point forty indicated that they now believe
(08:09):
that the Zodiac had no military connection, which I thought
huge bs bs.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Oh, yes, I was about to say, what, No, are
you kidding me? That's a joke.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
That is a huge joke. And to follow that up,
it was because the two suspects they were naming did
not have military backgrounds, so of course they fit the narrative.
And I thought Richard Gaikowski was one of them, so
I'm not sure I would have to go back and
check that information. Anyways, the picture of the unknown man,
and you're gonna find this interesting, Lindsay, because it was
(08:42):
actually John Walsh who put this picture out and I'm
going to talk about that.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah. Either way, it became this huge hype, almost as
if to reopen the case, and we've found new information.
Who is this strange man in this picture? What I
can surmise from this is that the man is a
prox monthly five foot nine. In speaking to the individual
who has sent me the information, on this new suspect
claims that the suspect is approximately five to eleven, so
(09:09):
we can see that clearly this guy is shorter in
this picture than his stepfather. Was also to note that
the individual in this picture, now this picture was purportedly
stashed or hidden in Darlene's belongings, to note that it
was not her her ex husband Jim Phillips Crabtree. He
has indicated that he is not the individual in this picture. However,
(09:31):
this person is absolutely wearing a wedding ring. So I
went on to ask the new guy in regards to
his suspect whether or not he was married at this time.
He indicated no, he was not. So either this picture
is stashed because Darling's cheating with a married man, or
(09:54):
I would say, or I really don't know an alternative
for her standing next to in all with an individual.
Either way that had brought to light because they believe
they were trying to I think in the fact that
Darling knew her killer, and many people have suggested that
they did not. When I actually put all of the
(10:14):
pictures up in line, I've out fell over because in
my reading some people had indicated they thought it was
Brian Hartnell in this picture. And if you look at
these pictures side by side, my god, they're almost a
dead ringer for each other. It's like they're they're doppelgangers
or something. And again, the picture that I was supplied
of this new suspect looks nothing like this picture, and
(10:35):
he's trying to claim that by biometrics it's matched the face.
It's it absolutely, one hundred percent looks like two totally
different people, and of course does not match the zodiacal
closet either. So I'm starting to tend to think that
this is just another person trying to buy up my time. Oh, welcome, Nolan.
(10:59):
It does look like heart now, doesn't it. I think
he froze up. Are you hearing me? You must be
having some technical difficulties, all right, anyways, we are seeing
that I'm back, okay, So yeah, does it not look
(11:21):
like Ryan Hardell? I was a little blown away. I
was like when I was.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Scared referring to the state. What that's a step dad?
Now he's all over born, right.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, he absolutely is. He's talking about the BTK killer. Now,
I thought the BTK killer had been caught. I'm still
I'm still not getting responses.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I was listening. I was just waiting for no one
to respond. But yeah, the BTK killer, Yeah, he's definitely
he was definitely caught and he he does not look
like him either to me.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Well, he's trying to say that they're all part of
the same group.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
I guess, uh, oh they are, that is true, I
do I can confirm.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
That BTK killer is part of the same group.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Has he made claims that there are others involved? Oh yeah, gotcha. Okay, well,
so maybe there's a little truth between his connections somehow.
Either way, like Nolan said, he's kind of all over
the board with his information, and we know the connections
to Mansion Manson. I was not aware of any connections
to BTK. Maybe that's something I need to claim too. Yes, hello,
(12:44):
oh I hear I hear him. But then he just
froze again. Yeah, okay, you keep freezing.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Me? Yeah hello, hello, Yeah, wrong with my computer?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
No, you seem to be working fine, now, don't leave,
all right? What were you going to say about BTK?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Oh, there's similarities in the haunting of law enforcement, in
sending out of messages and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Things like that.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
The FBI did indicate that there is a good number
of serial killers that absolutely write in and taunt the
taunt law enforcement. So there's no doubt that there are
going to be other serial killers that are as brazen
as the Zodiac is. Now whether or not these individuals
knew each other, I mean, I would love to see
the picture of the BTK killer and see if that's
anything I can match to any known pictures of Jack's
(13:47):
that could be helpful. But I really don't even have
in mind who it was that they caught. Do you
know who the BTK killer was?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I don't, lindsay, I have his face pictured in my head.
Let me see, Dennis.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I think his name isis something? Yep?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Okay? Is the picture in the middle. Is that hurt? Now?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
That's the unknown man in a picture found hidden in
Darlene's stuff. So evidently the purported story behind this was
this picture was found hidden in her stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Clearly, if you go back to the last slide.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
That's him. That's partner in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
So there's the picture of his face and color to
the left, and then him laying in the hospital bed
at nap Napa Valley. All Right, I'm sorry, brother, I
know he is serious doppelganger there.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
All right, So well, I'm going to point out something
I just noticed that you're well, no, you can go
back to the next side because it's it's actually at
the top of the next one, I think, because and
you had it at the top of the picture of
the other picture that was found in Darlene's stuff this one.
So yes, so you you entitled it laundry and research. Yeah,
I find it kind of crazy that that you that
(15:12):
you named it that. Can you tell us why you
named it that?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Well, anytime I'm having to follow up on a lead
or any type of research, that that's just the default
slide that I plot everything down to. So that just
means that's new work that I just recently discovered.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Oh okay, just curious because the laundry actually that word
comes into effect with John Walsh a lot actually, so
that was kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, and I bet it's dirty laundry. Yeah, yeah, all right,
So onto This is actually from one of the I
think it's the Zodiac Zodiac Ciphers or Zodiac Killer zodiacciphers
dot com I believe, is where I pulled this insert from.
And you guys are gonna find this interesting, it says Tom.
(15:58):
Voyd continued to suggest that the unidentified man in the
photograph may have been somehow connected to Darling's murder or
the Zodiac crimes. Yet many members of his own message
board agreed with other reasonable observers and believed that the
man was most likely Darlene's ex husband. However, I did
read in the research that Crabtree had indicated he is
not the person in that picture. I don't know why
(16:20):
he would deny it if he was, because they were
clearly married in sixty seven sixty eight, somewhere around their
sixty six to sixty eight The America's Most Wanted website
stated that police wanted to identify the man in question,
yet anyone who wished to do so would have better
luck contacting Darling's family and friends in search of an answer,
rather than asking viewers all over the world who did
(16:41):
not know Darlene Farrene at all. I think that's a
very darn good point. The AMW jelo Yeah. The AMW
broadcast consisted largely of material already shown in previous Zodiac segments,
and the inclusion of the unidentified man seemed to be
(17:02):
a little more than an attempt to boost ratings with
the illusion that the broadcast was presenting important new evidence.
The facts strongly indicate that the man in the photograph
had no connection to the Zodiac, and that those who
continued to claim otherwise were doing so in order to
get attention. After Voight's unknown man mystery fizzled, rumors surface
that Voight was claiming he had contacted Darlene's ex husband,
(17:25):
Jim Phillips, and that he stated that he was not
the man in the photograph. In two thousand and eight,
Voy had written that Phillips was is a fabulous source
of mine. Yet Void did not report any such denials
from Phillips to the public. So basically he even tried
to say that this was Gaikowski. I believe in what
I'm reade from this website. Boy is all over the
(17:45):
place as to who this individual could be. But again
he also yeah, ah you Friz again. Oh my god,
it made me crazy. You have something good to say,
I'm sure either way, just as Gaikowski is not a
(18:05):
match to what maybe you need to go to come
back in again, there he did, all right, So just
as Tom Boyd has alluded to Gykowski being the Zodiac
suspect when he does not match the composite at all.
(18:28):
I would suggest that Boyd get his eyes checked because
there's something going on there, and onto some boundary research,
which is just more communications from other individuals. Miss Vannerak.
This woman, I really can't make heads or tails of
some of her stuff. But she was talking about the
mob ery using radio communication to organize their boost smuggling operations.
(18:50):
I concur with that. So I would like to draw
Harriet's attention to the newspaper ads posted by Fred Dodd
aka Wallace Bard Mohammed especially. I think that this woman
actually believes there's some Saudi Arabia connection to the zodiac, which,
to the extent that I could find anything from East
India was literally the uh the prince of we were
(19:13):
talking Kagashi what was his name he is? He was
hemmed up with ye and and and he was human
trafficking you know, women, possibly children. Who knows what he
was being investigated for with Riboso. But we have shown
that connection between him and John Walsh and all of
(19:33):
these other people. But this person believes that the zodiac
was literally from I think East India and see India.
I know, I know, I know. Compare with me, what's that?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Okay, keep going, there is an Indian connection with.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Oh you're cutting out again. I don't know what's going
on with your internet right now.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
It was arms trafficker as well.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Oh dang, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, you're freezing and cutting Do you need to be
closer to your server? I'm not sure anyways. Okay, so
she says law is the French and the Z three
begins with her all linked. So again I'm just missing
what this connection is. These messages are shown in a
document I found whilst reading the Nation of Islam. So
(20:45):
there's there's the connection. She's claiming, an Islamic connection. I
don't know what it is called, because I saved a
copy and it just got labeled video download. It's presented
by a man with a big silicon lemon. I don't
know what that's most me this. I know the signature
symbol on the zodiac soil barrel letter is therefore based
(21:07):
on the Steno Company logo. I don't know who Steno
Company is. I don't know what logo she's referring to.
So again, you guys, when you're gonna reach out to me,
be more specific, if you're trying to give me information
that makes connections, I need to be able to understand
those connections.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
She goes on, I'll say that there is actually a
tree buried for Adam Walsh in Israel. So really, oh yeah, yep? Why?
And I don't really know? And Megan that his daughter
does not know either.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Huh. Well, Ms Vanorak goes on to say, now this
gets a little gross. Apparently in the early years of
MI I six they discovered that seamen could be used
as invisible ink. But how it was made visible I
don't know. Wax resist perhaps, I don't know what that means.
And I wonder if that is what is hinted at
to the left of the leafy signature on the soil
(22:05):
barrel letter, which always amuses me because the sperm is
going away from the egg. Does anybody think that that
logo on the soy barrel looks like a sperm leaving
an egg? Well, I said that sounds disgusting, But if
you use a UV light in a hotel room, biological
(22:26):
biological matter will illuminate. So this is how they would
then see if somebody had written in sperm. I don't
know where to go with these people. All right, moving on,
has Bob.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
We heard a little bit? Is Michael Joe still alive?
Is he around?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I believe he's still alive. I'm not sure where he's at.
He probably, like Hartnell, is not doing any interviews or
talking about the case anymore. And who knows if they
are on a hush hush you know, Nda or what
have you not to speak about the case. I don't
know what the reasoning is for not wanting to solve it.
I get it that there's a lot of kooks out
(23:07):
there and you'd want to stay away from them, But
there are sometimes people who are legitimately like us that
are looking to solve this case with real evidence. We're
not coming at you sideways with sperm and with all
these other things that you're hearing about. Kasvo came back
and he said, if your person of interest is Jack,
Jack is matched to the zodiac and matched to Texas,
(23:29):
then I have solved the Z thirteen cipher. How long
time ago? It says I again? Please, people write clearly
it says Texarkana phantom. So I responded back, the Z
thirteen is just that thirteen symbols Texarkana phantom takes sixteen
to make, so I'm not sure where he's going from there.
I did ask, I haven't received a response. He indicates
(23:52):
the two keys that we talked about in the Christmas
card has clues in those mailboxes. There's probably a letter
or some kind of proof or something in those mailbox boxes.
I don't think there's anything left in those mailboxes once
they stopped being paid for. Unless they were paid for,
you know, years and years and years in advance. They
were probably reissued to someone else. He said, think about it.
It's very like James Bond movie, like to hide a
(24:15):
clue in the US Postal Service safety box? Yeah, of
course play. Here's the thing. If anybody got those keys
and went to those mailboxes, it's going to lead you nowhere.
Because he likes to play games. So in one sentence
he's saying there's something probably hitting there, hidden there, and
then in another post he's saying, it's just games again.
(24:37):
I don't know, Gary Tong. This is actually a relative
of of Jack's family. So he said, was there any
chewing tobacco to ever be found to be connected to
the zodiac, because it's the one thing that doesn't add
up with Jack Jack absolutely loved chewing tobacco, So if
he was really the Zodiac, you would think someone would
have found a connection to the Zodiac and chewing tobacco.
(24:58):
So if you can find any thing, just one instance
of the Zodiac being known to chew it, or some
found at one of the murder scenes, it would be
a huge missing puzzle piece and a huge game changer.
That is all. Now, if that was something they found,
that might be something they withheld that may not be
included in any of the reports, something that they wanted
to keep secret. So I don't know that we would
(25:21):
have any opportunity to figure that out. The other side
of me says, you know, you got a nasty habit
like that. Could you literally be chewing your cud while
killing somebody? I mean, if you're swallowing your spit, maybe,
but are you gonna stop to spit midknife thrashing?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Yeah, exactly, And then that would just like, uh, you know,
be a possibility of you leaving your DNA somewhere.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
So, yeah, he's committing the crimes, I would you think so?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I wouldn't think so. But if he did, and they
do have this information, while we now know so that
means that Jack chewed and smoked. He doubled down on
his nicotine. Dude, Yeah, because when they can't smoke, they
decide to chew. Right. So Gary Tungue, as Jack's nephew
(26:17):
through marriage, can confirm he frequented Texas. Jack, Nora, and
their son Charles, traveled a lot. And for the record,
despite that Dennis claimed about Jack killing Nora, Jack did
not kill Nora. She died from complications of diabetes after
having her leg amputated. She died at the hospital, which
I understand that and and Dennis did include that she
was that she died at the hospital. The difference is
(26:40):
is that he believes that Jack hastened her death and
also prevented Dennis from visiting his mother at the hospital
by having him stopped by security, making false claims of
Dennis trying to do something illegal or bad or you know.
He basically had him eighty six from the hospital, and
(27:03):
he had found multiple pills underneath his mother's bed where
it appeared as though she was hiding her medications after
being given to her by Jack because she was afraid
Jack was trying to kill her, so she wasn't taking
any of her meds, and this would have hastened obviously,
somebody in a diabetic state would have hastened their death
because she wasn't getting properly medicated for the disease.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Now this brings us to the Charlie Reese letter, which
I am about floored that this was written September of
nineteen eighty one. Adam Walsh did not die till nineteen
eighty four, correct.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
No, eighty one, he did. They found his head at
nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Oh, okay, so I had my years mass.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
He was kidnapped July twenty seventh, nineteen eighty one, and
found his head on August eleventh, nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
So now we have the envelope and we have the
actual message, which we did not have before with Harriet
sol Which where did you find this particular envelope?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (28:09):
This all was in them wash case file.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Okay. So there are other other documents that are likely
out there that we have not seen, but this one
was produced. And so this is going to be what
the Foyer file from the FBI.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Uh huh, yeah, it's I mean still, it takes it
takes years to go through that file because it's so
large there's thousands.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Of pagers, right, so it's like going through the z.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Is he an editor or a writer?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I believes that wrote to the The Sun Sentinel.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Charlie Reese was OK, but he's he's addressed. It was
Charlie Reese far.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Y st. Yeah, that's what I didn't understand because it
looks like it's to Charlie Reeves.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I guess. Yeah, he was an editor. There had to
have been.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I think that that might have been something that Harriet
had confirmed in her solves. I'm not sure either way.
It's the letter we went over two weeks ago or
last week in regards to uh, the individual claiming to
have met a man in a bar. He doesn't know
what say? Let me see, let me go.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
That should have been a clearer version.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, I have a clearer version. That was just the
one you sent me. So let me go back here
real quick. I know I have it there. No, not there,
Oh my goodness. It was back a little bit ago.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
I think you're almost there. Yeah, it's gonna be sad ways,
because I think you had the coffee that was sadeways.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I'm not seeing it. That was eighty six Uh, I'm
not finding it. You guys, what in the world I know.
We just recently read it. It's blurry. It's very blurry.
The image that I have is extremely blurry.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Really fast, and then I'll read it.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Sorry for the silence here, I am trying to make
my way back. That's the Christmas card. I would have
thought that it would have been no, okay, Oh it
says I met this guy in a note call a
bar and he said he knew someone that. Oh yeah,
(31:05):
it gets really blurry either way. He's stating that he
met somebody in a bar. He doesn't know their name.
They were solicited to abduct a boy for an individual.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I gotta here, I gotta here, I gotta here. I
met this guy in in o call a bar who
said he knew someone that was maybe ten, that knew someone.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
That had ten thousand for that.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Would pay ten thousand for a young boy. This guy
had lost his.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Kid, yeah, his son yea, and.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
His wife was going nuts. And we took the deal.
He we took the deal. He what he? I think he.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Basically they took the deal. And then this guy leaves town,
the one that's supposedly writing this message. And when he
came back, he found out that the kid had been killed.
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
So this is the one, the most important part. You
could read it better. I know his name was Adam
and he was from the Islands. We got him in Hollywood.
That's Hollywood, Florida. I don't know this man's name, and
we don't know, and he don't know mine. He is
a big beard and don't and don't know. Let's see,
(32:36):
he is a big beard and no shoes on his feet.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
He is crazy as hell, right, So what I wanted
to like remind everybody is that we had a similar
type communication. Now I have not identified this as Jack's handwriting.
I'm just putting this out there. In nineteen forty seven,
nineteen forty eight, we had the letter that was written
in regards to the real estate agent during the Black
(33:02):
Dahl era of murders, and that person also indicated the
same type of situation. I met a man in a bar,
I don't know his name. Blah blah blah, blah, blah
blah blah. It seems to be almost the narrative is
almost identical to a letter that we have seen before.
What mesmerized me here is that we have two six
six' one written on the actual envelope and two six
sixty three written on the actual letter. Itself that means
(33:24):
there's a page in between two six six y two
that we've not seen or how has not been produced
or did you see, that? Lindsay?
Speaker 4 (33:31):
INTERESTING i, ER i went in order BECAUSE i was
looking for. It?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Gotcha, Yeah so we we're missing a, yeah, yeah it
could be a, cipher it could be an. Image it
could be you, know a multitude of. Things but it
appears as though the sequence of numbering is incorrect or
there's something. Missing oh here it is, brighton bright and.
Shiny so we took the. Deal he paid, CASH i
(34:00):
went TO i think he Said. Chicago my friends. Stayed
PUT i get back and find this kid was, Killed
which doesn't make any sense because if they took the
deal and they went and Kidnapped, adam where was this
kid during that? Time when this man says he left
After i'm assuming so the letter itself is not holding
any water because he's making so go, ahead, no go.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Ahead SO i wanted to read that last bit just
WHILE i go about the. Islands is Because John walsh
was working for a hotel industry In bahamamas and that's
why he was talking about the islands And. Meghan his,
Daughter Megan walsh has confirmed that her dad has told
(34:45):
her many times That adam and there's also a documentation
of this, too Of John walsh speaking and telling this
that he would Take adam to the islands all the
time with him when he went to go. Work, oh
so he's. Been So adam's been in the, Islands so
that is The so this dude knows something, Him, yes
(35:10):
because he has been in the islands with his.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Dad so, yeah so he had basically some inside. Information
but we also know that inside the mob, World John
walsh's life isn't so, secretive, RIGHT i mean he goes.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
To hire people to kidnap a. Child that's.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
WEIRD i know, that the whole the whole, Thing, yeah
a little. Sketchy and they took the. JOB i mean
it says they took the. Job but then he says
but then he says he, Left And i'm thinking he's
saying he left The chicago and his friend. Stayed PUT
i get back and find this kid was? Killed so
(35:54):
who killed the? Kids so these guys are saying we kidnapped.
Him Then i'm going To i'm going to surmise that
these individuals were not the, killers but they were the
ones who kidnapped and Handed adam wash off to someone, else.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Well kill.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Him but these two people supposedly split the ten grand
to do the abduction for this other. Guy so he's
alluding to the fact that when he gets, back this
kid has now been killed by the guy that he
basically Kidnapped Adam walsh to give Two so he's implicating
somebody others they're the, kidnappers somebody else killed.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Him.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Basically, Yeah and So hollywood is not too far From Donia,
beach which we have a connection to in the earlier
texar can Of phantom murders after they had a suspect in.
Jail SO i just thought it was interesting WHEN i
pulled Up hollywood That Donia beach was so Close Fort, Lauderdale.
Florida we can see all of this is within approximately let's.
(36:59):
See that's SO i mapped. Out they would have had
to have driven almost a little over four hours From
ocalla To hollywood in order to do this. Kidnapping.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yep, well and all of those, counties all those counties
together are very nefarious counties as far as law enforcement
goes and crime and. Secrets SO.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I just pulled out this blurb from the letter from
nineteen forty eight in regards to one of the previous,
murders and it, says made an acquaintance with a man
three weeks ago while In Griffith Stick Griffith Griffith. Park
he a great, Sport we got Friendly friday, night asked
(37:45):
me If i'd like to make about three hundred. Dollars
so this letter is coming from again a point of
an individual who met somebody who's now soliciting them to
make money to attempt to buy a house for, him
and he's claiming that he was then knocked out this
guy tied up and left unconscious while the person did
(38:05):
the deed and killed the real estate. Agent So i'm
just saying that this whole thought process and the communication
OF i met another guy who's responsible for, this THAT
i would you, Know i'm telling on them if you
get if you get Where i'm going with. That in
regards to The ocalla, letter it's big super, yes, yeah,
(38:25):
yeah all, right so we don't have to go through
all of. That but AGAIN i did, notice we do
know That jack had affiliation With Fort, Lauderdale, florida and
on the back it says looking. North and of course
we had some a couple's murder In Donia, beech which
is all very close To. Hollywood everything's within about fourteen
(38:46):
minutes of each, other and it may be. Neither, yeah oh.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Yeah that's how they and that's how they get, around
and that's how they d. Like it's Like florida is so,
big But florida is really a small town where everyone
knows everyone at the same.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Time right, now that brings us to the nineteen ninety One.
Scorpion letters are mailed To John walsh Of America's Most
wanted jacksone an episode and this came From Dennis, jackson
an episode ran By America's Most wanted on The Zodiac
killer and Asked dennis for a book By John. Walsh,
now next we're going to see the letters that are
(39:22):
written To John. Walsh do you know the name of that? Book?
Again tears of.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Rage i'm still, Right i'm reading. It i'm reading it right.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Now, Okay so laundry and research on this particular letter
because it says it's been more than fifteen, years But
America's Most wanted is just now ready to reveal a
series of personal. Threats in nineteen ninety, One America's Most wanted,
Host John, walsh was sent a series of anonymous threatening
(39:50):
letters that contained cryptic, clues secret, codes and claims that
the author committed some serious. Crimes THE fbi has examined
the letters and while they pill don't know who wrote
or sent these, letters they say they were not sent
by The zodiac killer here, right and the cryptographs have
yet to be. Solved can you help solve this mystery?
(40:10):
Now my comments on this PARTICULAR foya file paper in
regards to these letters is that number, one they were
withheld from the, public just like The christmas card, was
just like the nineteen eighty Six sacramento letter. Was and
it says a, series so that means there were several
communications that were. SENT i didn't ACTUALLY i didn't actually
(40:33):
find anything Threatening John, walsh nor DID i find anything
that indicated the individual was familiar with anything that was
going on With Adam. Walsh THOUGH i believe that there
are portions of these letters that have been, withheld if
not absolute whole. Communications so as we go through these,
letters you'll see What i'm talking. About BUT i didn't
(40:54):
see anything that was Threatening John walsh.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
And why They they. Wouldn't they, wouldn't they wouldn't threaten,
him but, He, uh what is the Reason adam was
taken in the first? Place because of something he? Did
and so they had to Use they just made him
a deal and turned around and, Said, okay you're gonna
be my. Puppet you're gonna do AS i. Say you're
(41:18):
gonna sit WHEN i say, sit and then you're gonna
do this. Show and, uh this is how we're going
to cover up all this mess because it's in connection
with all of our. Ship, so, uh this is what
we're gonna have to do in order to keep everything
going how they wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Going, WELL i think it was interesting because it was
you that introduced us to the fact That John walsh
did not WANT fbi involvement in the solving of his son's,
crime yet he then teams up with them On America's
Most wanted to help them solve their. Crimes i'm a little.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
That was the only law enforcement official that Endorsed America's Most.
Wanted he makes that clear and one of the early
commercials where it comes on like in between. You you're
watching a, show and it's like, saying what make sure
you Watch America's Most wanted because we're the only television
(42:12):
show that is endorsed by THE. Fbi and he says
it just like. That i've heard it so many. Times but,
yeah oh he makes that. Clear and so but in
the but in the case, files they he, said, no
we don't need THE. Fbi we got this. Covered we
got a good group of law enforcement that's working on.
(42:34):
This blah blah blah in the. Beginning so.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
All, right so let's let's go. THROUGH i don't know
why my. Okay so this is one of the first.
Letters it looks like it may be a complete uh uh.
COMMUNICATION i do not have envelopes for. This but the
letter is signed off As, scorpion and it, SAYS i
am your worst nightmare coming. True my true identity is
(43:00):
not known to you yet and hopefully will not be
for a long. Time your show is more, exciting, interesting
and factual than in any ship falled movie or. Series
i've recently moved Into New jersey and began a new crime.
SPREE i am currently responsible for twenty three unsolved, crimes
ranging from arson to brewery to, sabotage, homicide and occasionally
(43:20):
everything in. BETWEEN i strongly advise that you keep this
letter and start a rather large, file since you will
be hearing from me. AGAIN i have enclosed a rather
difficultly encoded message containing information that will prove rather useful to.
You this code took a lot of time and effort
to develop and hopes that it will DEFEAT fbi AND cia.
(43:42):
Codebreakers anything you wish to tell me or ask me
can be conveyed to me on your. Show this is
it becomes a common reach. Out we're going to see
it With Tom, Voyd we're seeing it With John. Walsh
the identity not being known yet kind of falls in
line with The christmas card that came out in nineteen
(44:02):
ninety which indicated guess who you? Know he's dressed in a,
disguise no doubt due to the show airing and it's
still being an unsolved case on The, Zodiac jack requested
a book On John walsh after seeing his release Of
The Zodiac Unsolved. Mystery the listing of the crimes that
this suspect has committed is not unlike The zodiac claiming
(44:22):
that he will commit in the. Future so if you remember,
Correctly zodiac, Indicated i'm not going to announce it to.
Anyone WHEN i commit my, murders they shall look like routine,
robberies killings of, anger and a few fake, accidents. Etc
so even in the linguistics and the message attempting to
be portrayed is very similar to what The zodiac has.
(44:45):
Said now keep coming up real.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Quick so the similarities you just mentioned about about you
don't know MY i didn't, andy blah blah. Blah if
you remember just that letter we just, READ i don't
know his, name he doesn't know mine.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Exactly, yes it does fall in with the Whole i'm
keeping everything a, secret and it's a guessing, game which
is exactly the communication portrayed on The christmas card which,
said guess is.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
That the old Little Jack rabbit by The? Snowman?
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yes, yeah and that just came out in nineteen. Ninety
that's What i'm, saying is that he's been ramping up
all of a. Sudden now this coincides With jack having
retired From Hewlett packard as a contract security. Guard but
as he's, retiring we're starting to see all of these
communications emerge as if he's just you, know piping up to,
say hey, Folks i'm still. Here so now he's accepting
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responsibility for crimes in The New jersey. Area zodiac sent
A christmas card with copies of two postmaster keys with serial.
Numbers Now i'm not sure whether or Not harriet was
correct on, this but she indicated that these postal code
numbers went To, Princeton New, jersey and one was an
international post office box. Key now that is contradict obviously
By Tom voyd And Sandy, betts who claimed that they
(46:03):
ran down these postal key numbers and located it to
some gentlemen In, eureka which we know The zodiac has
connections To. Eureka so it's. Interesting but there's a lot
of things That Tom boyd has been portrayed as somebody
who can't be trusted with his information nor his. Research
(46:24):
So i'm not really sure IF i buy into any
of the facts that he had gone and visited this
individual with a post office box in eurekain that those
keys went, there or if it was just a way
for him to disinform the public in regards to where
these keys actually link back.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
To but, quick, broquick before we get off this. Subject
so WHENEVER i was doing, RESEARCH i actually researched Who
Charlie kerr, was AND i actually found this article that
where somebody was Saying Charlie kerr is who also identified
The charlie In Paul bonacci's account of an abduction of his.
(47:04):
Abduction and this is if you, know if you're familiar
With Paul, bonacci he was the crazy guy that they
said that was, crazy that was involved In Johnny gosh's
kidnapping in nineteen eighty, two that this was An iowa was.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
He a big, bearded barefoot. PERSON i don't.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
KNOW i have to start for a. Picture but they're
saying that he was involved in an interstate pedophile. Ring
his involvement in pedophilia is documented in police, reports and
he attached the police reports. Here the chance That bonacci
would identify This Suex city area With iowa farmhouse owner
(47:46):
Named charlie as part of the child trafficking ring there
is in fact A.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Okay So i'm not sure how This you've lost me
as to how this even fits into what we have
going on here with The scorpion.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
Letters so it connects to this pedophile. Ring so SO
i think that they were part of This zodiac.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Ring but was that In New? Jersey how did you
make this?
Speaker 4 (48:12):
CONNECTION i was just going back to that letter of
The Charlie kerr. LETTER i just.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Can't, okay but that's being written To, charlie not From
charlie And charlie.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
Exactly so that's.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
What so we got two Different charlie's going on, here all.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Right Charlie kerr that it named, him actually his whole,
name so.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Okay, yeah AND i don't. KNOW i, mean this Is
Charlie reese that is being written to at The Sentinel.
Star So Charlie kerr And Charlie reese are to different.
People let's, See zodiac was known to predict his crimes
in the. Future this may have been a ploy to
say where he was going to going, next if actually
received in nineteen ninety, one or if it was received
AS i believed to have seen in two thousand and
(48:55):
one and was discussing what he had just. Done SO
i also thought maybe there was connection if they're trying
to backdate this and say that they've been sitting on
these for fifteen, years when really they only sat on
them for about five and these letters were mailed in
two thousand and one following the anthrax. ATTACKS i believe
there was approximately twenty some victims involved in. That that
(49:15):
would make sense out of the postal keys going To,
Princeton New. Jersey it would actually kind of wrap a
lot of things up if these letters were were received
at a different timeframe in which they are trying to
let us believe either, way they withheld it from us
for so, long how are we supposed to believe when
they actively received these. Communications but for, NOW i have
(49:37):
it chronologically in nineteen ninety. One all, right we're about
ten seconds out from the show. Ending we didn't get
as far AS i want to.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Do, yes do we have the copies of the Other scorpion.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Letters, Yes we're gonna go over those Next. Friday so,
EVERYBODY i want to thank You, lindsey thank You, dolan
and we'll see you guys Next friday as we continue
with The John Walsh scorpion. Letters take, care And.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
I'm gonna look in the case files two for anything
in relation to The scorpion.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Beautiful all, right you, guys take.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
CARE i have a Great, yeah
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
I must apologize for last week's episode, which was improperly
labeled as John Walsh and the Scorpion Letters. We are
going to get to that today during this podcast, but
I did attempt to relabel that because all we truly
(01:14):
covered was the Christmas card and another anonymous letter, which
we're going to talk a little bit more about today.
So I'm going to welcome on Lindsay mcgrair.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Hey, how are y'all?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm doing great? How about yourself?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Good? It's Friday.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It is Friday. I'm so excited. It has been one
hell of a week after returning from Alaska. I have
been absolutely slammed, but it was very My interest is
very pequed in regards to that Charlie Reese Sentinel letter
that you sent me, because we have got some dirt
to talk about on that. But first I want to
(01:54):
I want to cover somebody who has reached out to
me claiming another suspect. He does believe that they are
part of a group. He does not want any of
his information shown, so I'm just going to kind of
brief and go over some of the research that occurred
over this contact. His email to me said I have
information on the Zodiac that has not been released. I
(02:16):
don't know what he could possibly mean by that, because
he did say he's former law enforcement, so maybe he
does have some type money in I know he says
I am the one popping up in the last video.
I don't know what he means by that because the
last video was a pre record, it was not live,
so I'm not sure where he popped up, and I
didn't see any real notifications from him, but he said
(02:38):
I'd like to speak to Nolan and let it be
covered by attorney client privilege. Privilege. This is new information
and not from old case files and attached to a
person not named publicly. You cannot go over the files
and find this information. The local police are taking it
very seriously. If you can have Nolan call me, I
have called him, but the voicemail is full. Please haven't
(02:59):
called me any day at three pm Central time one
pm his time any day. So I of course forwarded
that onto Nolan. Nolan did reach out to him. I
was hoping Nolan was going to be here this morning
to talk about this a little bit. He may have
gotten caught up with a court hearing or something to
that effect. Anyways, this individual then proceeded to send over
(03:23):
I guess Nolan had instructed him to send evidence over
to me. So far as I can tell, the evidence
isn't kind of winding out too very much, and it
did cause me to do some research.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Of course, I know that the zodiacsiphers dot com site,
this is a list of who they have as potential suspects,
which many have already been ruled out, so I'm not
sure why they're still showing these out. Arthur Lee Allen
obviously at the very top named the primed suspect. We
have told you guys until we were blue in the
face and showed you evidence that supports Arthur Lee Allen
(03:55):
was not the Zodiac Killer. And then we had Earl
Van Best Junior by Gary Stewart, which we've proved that
the handwriting he had examined belonged to the minister who
married his dad and mom, Garth Penn and Michael O'Hare,
Oh gosh, George Hodell and most evil. I think that
Harriet has kind of weaved a a solve that indicates
(04:18):
that George Hodell may have had some type of involvement
with this group. I'm not sure what gray Smith Unmasked
is supposed to lead to. Larry Kane again not a
very good suspect, Lyndon Lafferty and the Silenced Badge. I'm
not sure who this is. Richard gray Kowski again it
(04:39):
actually says the wrong man and Richard Marshall aka Donald
Jeff Andrews, and then Zodiac and the Unibomber. Although I
would have to say that the Zodiac made it extremely
clear that he did not actively use any bombs. While
he used that as a ploy, he had stated that
he was never going to blow up children anyways, that
(05:00):
leads us to this neck.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Give a picture.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Hand Darleen was can approximately five foot nine. I did
strike a line across the top of Darlene's head, just
to kind of give us an idea how much taller
this individual may potentially be than it looks like. It's
roughly about five to nine. Now what I did learn,
(05:30):
and this picture is covered over here on the right
hand side, because this is the new suspect, and I've
been asked not to release any of the information for
fear that something may happen to the individual who is
reporting this information to us. I'm not sure, Lindsay, why
people reach out to me if they don't want to
give me all the truth. I mean, what is the potential?
(05:52):
Are you still there, Lindsay? I think I've lost Lindsay again,
if you don't want to give me all of the
information that you have to look into and see whether
or not this person is a potential set for this.
There you go, There you are?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Okay. I kept hitting the micropron thing and it wouldn't
it wouldn't let me click it off. But I was
just going to say, real quick, like when you just
went over that list of those suspects, there is an
indicator and there is a sequence I see of similarities
with these people that were named and that have been
(06:32):
named in several different instances of being the zodiac in
which we just rolled that out. I think they are
connected in a different way to the government and to
the CIA, So just keep that in mind, gotcha.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Okay, So they're looking at him and well, and evidently
this individual who's reached out to me as indicated that
his suspect is also a stepfather, just like Dennis's step
dad Jack, and that he was related to the CIA
in the secret service type industry. At some point, I'm
(07:06):
not really capable of making out a lot of his
information because it doesn't come in flowing. And he indicates
his former law enforcement and that he is has a
master's or something in forensics, and I think he'd be
able to plot out this information in a way that
was far more palatable so that it could make sense.
(07:27):
But so far I'm not getting a lot of sense
made out of anything. But he did so.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I will say that almost all those suspects on that list,
if not all of them, have a military background or
a military background within their family. That's very prominent.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I thought that I thought that Richard Gaikowski did not
hold on because there was two people, and I thought
Richard Gaikowski was one of them that did not have
a military background, and which case the twenty twenty Documents
docuseries where the Orange chac fella who claims to have
solved the three point forty indicated that they now believe
(08:09):
that the Zodiac had no military connection, which I thought
huge bs bs.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Oh, yes, I was about to say, what, No, are
you kidding me? That's a joke.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
That is a huge joke. And to follow that up,
it was because the two suspects they were naming did
not have military backgrounds, so of course they fit the narrative.
And I thought Richard Gaikowski was one of them, so
I'm not sure I would have to go back and
check that information. Anyways, the picture of the unknown man,
and you're gonna find this interesting, Lindsay, because it was
(08:42):
actually John Walsh who put this picture out and I'm
going to talk about that.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah. Either way, it became this huge hype, almost as
if to reopen the case, and we've found new information.
Who is this strange man in this picture? What I
can surmise from this is that the man is a
prox monthly five foot nine. In speaking to the individual
who has sent me the information, on this new suspect
claims that the suspect is approximately five to eleven, so
(09:09):
we can see that clearly this guy is shorter in
this picture than his stepfather. Was also to note that
the individual in this picture, now this picture was purportedly
stashed or hidden in Darlene's belongings, to note that it
was not her her ex husband Jim Phillips Crabtree. He
has indicated that he is not the individual in this picture. However,
(09:31):
this person is absolutely wearing a wedding ring. So I
went on to ask the new guy in regards to
his suspect whether or not he was married at this time.
He indicated no, he was not. So either this picture
is stashed because Darling's cheating with a married man, or
(09:54):
I would say, or I really don't know an alternative
for her standing next to in all with an individual.
Either way that had brought to light because they believe
they were trying to I think in the fact that
Darling knew her killer, and many people have suggested that
they did not. When I actually put all of the
(10:14):
pictures up in line, I've out fell over because in
my reading some people had indicated they thought it was
Brian Hartnell in this picture. And if you look at
these pictures side by side, my god, they're almost a
dead ringer for each other. It's like they're they're doppelgangers
or something. And again, the picture that I was supplied
of this new suspect looks nothing like this picture, and
(10:35):
he's trying to claim that by biometrics it's matched the face.
It's it absolutely, one hundred percent looks like two totally
different people, and of course does not match the zodiacal
closet either. So I'm starting to tend to think that
this is just another person trying to buy up my time. Oh, welcome, Nolan.
(10:59):
It does look like heart now, doesn't it. I think
he froze up. Are you hearing me? You must be
having some technical difficulties, all right, anyways, we are seeing
that I'm back, okay, So yeah, does it not look
(11:21):
like Ryan Hardell? I was a little blown away. I
was like when I was.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Scared referring to the state. What that's a step dad?
Now he's all over born, right.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, he absolutely is. He's talking about the BTK killer. Now,
I thought the BTK killer had been caught. I'm still
I'm still not getting responses.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I was listening. I was just waiting for no one
to respond. But yeah, the BTK killer, Yeah, he's definitely
he was definitely caught and he he does not look
like him either to me.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Well, he's trying to say that they're all part of
the same group.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
I guess, uh, oh they are, that is true, I
do I can confirm.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
That BTK killer is part of the same group.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Has he made claims that there are others involved? Oh yeah, gotcha. Okay, well,
so maybe there's a little truth between his connections somehow.
Either way, like Nolan said, he's kind of all over
the board with his information, and we know the connections
to Mansion Manson. I was not aware of any connections
to BTK. Maybe that's something I need to claim too. Yes, hello,
(12:44):
oh I hear I hear him. But then he just
froze again. Yeah, okay, you keep freezing.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Me? Yeah hello, hello, Yeah, wrong with my computer?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
No, you seem to be working fine, now, don't leave,
all right? What were you going to say about BTK?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Oh, there's similarities in the haunting of law enforcement, in
sending out of messages and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Things like that.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
The FBI did indicate that there is a good number
of serial killers that absolutely write in and taunt the
taunt law enforcement. So there's no doubt that there are
going to be other serial killers that are as brazen
as the Zodiac is. Now whether or not these individuals
knew each other, I mean, I would love to see
the picture of the BTK killer and see if that's
anything I can match to any known pictures of Jack's
(13:47):
that could be helpful. But I really don't even have
in mind who it was that they caught. Do you
know who the BTK killer was?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I don't, lindsay, I have his face pictured in my head.
Let me see, Dennis.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I think his name isis something? Yep?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Okay? Is the picture in the middle. Is that hurt? Now?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
That's the unknown man in a picture found hidden in
Darlene's stuff. So evidently the purported story behind this was
this picture was found hidden in her stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Clearly, if you go back to the last slide.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
That's him. That's partner in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
So there's the picture of his face and color to
the left, and then him laying in the hospital bed
at nap Napa Valley. All Right, I'm sorry, brother, I
know he is serious doppelganger there.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
All right, So well, I'm going to point out something
I just noticed that you're well, no, you can go
back to the next side because it's it's actually at
the top of the next one, I think, because and
you had it at the top of the picture of
the other picture that was found in Darlene's stuff this one.
So yes, so you you entitled it laundry and research. Yeah,
I find it kind of crazy that that you that
(15:12):
you named it that. Can you tell us why you
named it that?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Well, anytime I'm having to follow up on a lead
or any type of research, that that's just the default
slide that I plot everything down to. So that just
means that's new work that I just recently discovered.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Oh okay, just curious because the laundry actually that word
comes into effect with John Walsh a lot actually, so
that was kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, and I bet it's dirty laundry. Yeah, yeah, all right,
So onto This is actually from one of the I
think it's the Zodiac Zodiac Ciphers or Zodiac Killer zodiacciphers
dot com I believe, is where I pulled this insert from.
And you guys are gonna find this interesting, it says Tom.
(15:58):
Voyd continued to suggest that the unidentified man in the
photograph may have been somehow connected to Darling's murder or
the Zodiac crimes. Yet many members of his own message
board agreed with other reasonable observers and believed that the
man was most likely Darlene's ex husband. However, I did
read in the research that Crabtree had indicated he is
not the person in that picture. I don't know why
(16:20):
he would deny it if he was, because they were
clearly married in sixty seven sixty eight, somewhere around their
sixty six to sixty eight The America's Most Wanted website
stated that police wanted to identify the man in question,
yet anyone who wished to do so would have better
luck contacting Darling's family and friends in search of an answer,
rather than asking viewers all over the world who did
(16:41):
not know Darlene Farrene at all. I think that's a
very darn good point. The AMW jelo Yeah. The AMW
broadcast consisted largely of material already shown in previous Zodiac segments,
and the inclusion of the unidentified man seemed to be
(17:02):
a little more than an attempt to boost ratings with
the illusion that the broadcast was presenting important new evidence.
The facts strongly indicate that the man in the photograph
had no connection to the Zodiac, and that those who
continued to claim otherwise were doing so in order to
get attention. After Voight's unknown man mystery fizzled, rumors surface
that Voight was claiming he had contacted Darlene's ex husband,
(17:25):
Jim Phillips, and that he stated that he was not
the man in the photograph. In two thousand and eight,
Voy had written that Phillips was is a fabulous source
of mine. Yet Void did not report any such denials
from Phillips to the public. So basically he even tried
to say that this was Gaikowski. I believe in what
I'm reade from this website. Boy is all over the
(17:45):
place as to who this individual could be. But again
he also yeah, ah you Friz again. Oh my god,
it made me crazy. You have something good to say,
I'm sure either way, just as Gaikowski is not a
(18:05):
match to what maybe you need to go to come
back in again, there he did, all right, So just
as Tom Boyd has alluded to Gykowski being the Zodiac
suspect when he does not match the composite at all.
(18:28):
I would suggest that Boyd get his eyes checked because
there's something going on there, and onto some boundary research,
which is just more communications from other individuals. Miss Vannerak.
This woman, I really can't make heads or tails of
some of her stuff. But she was talking about the
mob ery using radio communication to organize their boost smuggling operations.
(18:50):
I concur with that. So I would like to draw
Harriet's attention to the newspaper ads posted by Fred Dodd
aka Wallace Bard Mohammed especially. I think that this woman
actually believes there's some Saudi Arabia connection to the zodiac, which,
to the extent that I could find anything from East
India was literally the uh the prince of we were
(19:13):
talking Kagashi what was his name he is? He was
hemmed up with ye and and and he was human
trafficking you know, women, possibly children. Who knows what he
was being investigated for with Riboso. But we have shown
that connection between him and John Walsh and all of
(19:33):
these other people. But this person believes that the zodiac
was literally from I think East India and see India.
I know, I know, I know. Compare with me, what's that?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Okay, keep going, there is an Indian connection with.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Oh you're cutting out again. I don't know what's going
on with your internet right now.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
It was arms trafficker as well.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Oh dang, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, you're freezing and cutting Do you need to be
closer to your server? I'm not sure anyways. Okay, so
she says law is the French and the Z three
begins with her all linked. So again I'm just missing
what this connection is. These messages are shown in a
document I found whilst reading the Nation of Islam. So
(20:45):
there's there's the connection. She's claiming, an Islamic connection. I
don't know what it is called, because I saved a
copy and it just got labeled video download. It's presented
by a man with a big silicon lemon. I don't
know what that's most me this. I know the signature
symbol on the zodiac soil barrel letter is therefore based
(21:07):
on the Steno Company logo. I don't know who Steno
Company is. I don't know what logo she's referring to.
So again, you guys, when you're gonna reach out to me,
be more specific, if you're trying to give me information
that makes connections, I need to be able to understand
those connections.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
She goes on, I'll say that there is actually a
tree buried for Adam Walsh in Israel. So really, oh yeah, yep? Why?
And I don't really know? And Megan that his daughter
does not know either.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Huh. Well, Ms Vanorak goes on to say, now this
gets a little gross. Apparently in the early years of
MI I six they discovered that seamen could be used
as invisible ink. But how it was made visible I
don't know. Wax resist perhaps, I don't know what that means.
And I wonder if that is what is hinted at
to the left of the leafy signature on the soil
(22:05):
barrel letter, which always amuses me because the sperm is
going away from the egg. Does anybody think that that
logo on the soy barrel looks like a sperm leaving
an egg? Well, I said that sounds disgusting, But if
you use a UV light in a hotel room, biological
(22:26):
biological matter will illuminate. So this is how they would
then see if somebody had written in sperm. I don't
know where to go with these people. All right, moving on,
has Bob.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
We heard a little bit? Is Michael Joe still alive?
Is he around?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I believe he's still alive. I'm not sure where he's at.
He probably, like Hartnell, is not doing any interviews or
talking about the case anymore. And who knows if they
are on a hush hush you know, Nda or what
have you not to speak about the case. I don't
know what the reasoning is for not wanting to solve it.
I get it that there's a lot of kooks out
(23:07):
there and you'd want to stay away from them, But
there are sometimes people who are legitimately like us that
are looking to solve this case with real evidence. We're
not coming at you sideways with sperm and with all
these other things that you're hearing about. Kasvo came back
and he said, if your person of interest is Jack,
Jack is matched to the zodiac and matched to Texas,
(23:29):
then I have solved the Z thirteen cipher. How long
time ago? It says I again? Please, people write clearly
it says Texarkana phantom. So I responded back, the Z
thirteen is just that thirteen symbols Texarkana phantom takes sixteen
to make, so I'm not sure where he's going from there.
I did ask, I haven't received a response. He indicates
(23:52):
the two keys that we talked about in the Christmas
card has clues in those mailboxes. There's probably a letter
or some kind of proof or something in those mailbox boxes.
I don't think there's anything left in those mailboxes once
they stopped being paid for. Unless they were paid for,
you know, years and years and years in advance. They
were probably reissued to someone else. He said, think about it.
It's very like James Bond movie, like to hide a
(24:15):
clue in the US Postal Service safety box? Yeah, of
course play. Here's the thing. If anybody got those keys
and went to those mailboxes, it's going to lead you nowhere.
Because he likes to play games. So in one sentence
he's saying there's something probably hitting there, hidden there, and
then in another post he's saying, it's just games again.
(24:37):
I don't know, Gary Tong. This is actually a relative
of of Jack's family. So he said, was there any
chewing tobacco to ever be found to be connected to
the zodiac, because it's the one thing that doesn't add
up with Jack Jack absolutely loved chewing tobacco, So if
he was really the Zodiac, you would think someone would
have found a connection to the Zodiac and chewing tobacco.
(24:58):
So if you can find any thing, just one instance
of the Zodiac being known to chew it, or some
found at one of the murder scenes, it would be
a huge missing puzzle piece and a huge game changer.
That is all. Now, if that was something they found,
that might be something they withheld that may not be
included in any of the reports, something that they wanted
to keep secret. So I don't know that we would
(25:21):
have any opportunity to figure that out. The other side
of me says, you know, you got a nasty habit
like that. Could you literally be chewing your cud while
killing somebody? I mean, if you're swallowing your spit, maybe,
but are you gonna stop to spit midknife thrashing?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Yeah, exactly, And then that would just like, uh, you know,
be a possibility of you leaving your DNA somewhere.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
So, yeah, he's committing the crimes, I would you think so?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I wouldn't think so. But if he did, and they
do have this information, while we now know so that
means that Jack chewed and smoked. He doubled down on
his nicotine. Dude, Yeah, because when they can't smoke, they
decide to chew. Right. So Gary Tungue, as Jack's nephew
(26:17):
through marriage, can confirm he frequented Texas. Jack, Nora, and
their son Charles, traveled a lot. And for the record,
despite that Dennis claimed about Jack killing Nora, Jack did
not kill Nora. She died from complications of diabetes after
having her leg amputated. She died at the hospital, which
I understand that and and Dennis did include that she
was that she died at the hospital. The difference is
(26:40):
is that he believes that Jack hastened her death and
also prevented Dennis from visiting his mother at the hospital
by having him stopped by security, making false claims of
Dennis trying to do something illegal or bad or you know.
He basically had him eighty six from the hospital, and
(27:03):
he had found multiple pills underneath his mother's bed where
it appeared as though she was hiding her medications after
being given to her by Jack because she was afraid
Jack was trying to kill her, so she wasn't taking
any of her meds, and this would have hastened obviously,
somebody in a diabetic state would have hastened their death
because she wasn't getting properly medicated for the disease.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Now this brings us to the Charlie Reese letter, which
I am about floored that this was written September of
nineteen eighty one. Adam Walsh did not die till nineteen
eighty four, correct.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
No, eighty one, he did. They found his head at
nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Oh, okay, so I had my years mass.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
He was kidnapped July twenty seventh, nineteen eighty one, and
found his head on August eleventh, nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
So now we have the envelope and we have the
actual message, which we did not have before with Harriet
sol Which where did you find this particular envelope?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (28:09):
This all was in them wash case file.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Okay. So there are other other documents that are likely
out there that we have not seen, but this one
was produced. And so this is going to be what
the Foyer file from the FBI.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Uh huh, yeah, it's I mean still, it takes it
takes years to go through that file because it's so
large there's thousands.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Of pagers, right, so it's like going through the z.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Is he an editor or a writer?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I believes that wrote to the The Sun Sentinel.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Charlie Reese was OK, but he's he's addressed. It was
Charlie Reese far.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Y st. Yeah, that's what I didn't understand because it
looks like it's to Charlie Reeves.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I guess. Yeah, he was an editor. There had to
have been.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I think that that might have been something that Harriet
had confirmed in her solves. I'm not sure either way.
It's the letter we went over two weeks ago or
last week in regards to uh, the individual claiming to
have met a man in a bar. He doesn't know
what say? Let me see, let me go.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
That should have been a clearer version.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, I have a clearer version. That was just the
one you sent me. So let me go back here
real quick. I know I have it there. No, not there,
Oh my goodness. It was back a little bit ago.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
I think you're almost there. Yeah, it's gonna be sad ways,
because I think you had the coffee that was sadeways.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I'm not seeing it. That was eighty six Uh, I'm
not finding it. You guys, what in the world I know.
We just recently read it. It's blurry. It's very blurry.
The image that I have is extremely blurry.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Really fast, and then I'll read it.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Sorry for the silence here, I am trying to make
my way back. That's the Christmas card. I would have
thought that it would have been no, okay, Oh it
says I met this guy in a note call a
bar and he said he knew someone that. Oh yeah,
(31:05):
it gets really blurry either way. He's stating that he
met somebody in a bar. He doesn't know their name.
They were solicited to abduct a boy for an individual.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I gotta here, I gotta here, I gotta here. I
met this guy in in o call a bar who
said he knew someone that was maybe ten, that knew someone.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
That had ten thousand for that.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Would pay ten thousand for a young boy. This guy
had lost his.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Kid, yeah, his son yea, and.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
His wife was going nuts. And we took the deal.
He we took the deal. He what he? I think he.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Basically they took the deal. And then this guy leaves town,
the one that's supposedly writing this message. And when he
came back, he found out that the kid had been killed.
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
So this is the one, the most important part. You
could read it better. I know his name was Adam
and he was from the Islands. We got him in Hollywood.
That's Hollywood, Florida. I don't know this man's name, and
we don't know, and he don't know mine. He is
a big beard and don't and don't know. Let's see,
(32:36):
he is a big beard and no shoes on his feet.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
He is crazy as hell, right, So what I wanted
to like remind everybody is that we had a similar
type communication. Now I have not identified this as Jack's handwriting.
I'm just putting this out there. In nineteen forty seven,
nineteen forty eight, we had the letter that was written
in regards to the real estate agent during the Black
(33:02):
Dahl era of murders, and that person also indicated the
same type of situation. I met a man in a bar,
I don't know his name. Blah blah blah, blah, blah
blah blah. It seems to be almost the narrative is
almost identical to a letter that we have seen before.
What mesmerized me here is that we have two six
six' one written on the actual envelope and two six
sixty three written on the actual letter. Itself that means
(33:24):
there's a page in between two six six y two
that we've not seen or how has not been produced
or did you see, that? Lindsay?
Speaker 4 (33:31):
INTERESTING i, ER i went in order BECAUSE i was
looking for. It?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Gotcha, Yeah so we we're missing a, yeah, yeah it
could be a, cipher it could be an. Image it
could be you, know a multitude of. Things but it
appears as though the sequence of numbering is incorrect or
there's something. Missing oh here it is, brighton bright and.
Shiny so we took the. Deal he paid, CASH i
(34:00):
went TO i think he Said. Chicago my friends. Stayed
PUT i get back and find this kid was, Killed
which doesn't make any sense because if they took the
deal and they went and Kidnapped, adam where was this
kid during that? Time when this man says he left
After i'm assuming so the letter itself is not holding
any water because he's making so go, ahead, no go.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Ahead SO i wanted to read that last bit just
WHILE i go about the. Islands is Because John walsh
was working for a hotel industry In bahamamas and that's
why he was talking about the islands And. Meghan his,
Daughter Megan walsh has confirmed that her dad has told
(34:45):
her many times That adam and there's also a documentation
of this, too Of John walsh speaking and telling this
that he would Take adam to the islands all the
time with him when he went to go. Work, oh
so he's. Been So adam's been in the, Islands so
that is The so this dude knows something, Him, yes
(35:10):
because he has been in the islands with his.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Dad so, yeah so he had basically some inside. Information
but we also know that inside the mob, World John
walsh's life isn't so, secretive, RIGHT i mean he goes.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
To hire people to kidnap a. Child that's.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
WEIRD i know, that the whole the whole, Thing, yeah
a little. Sketchy and they took the. JOB i mean
it says they took the. Job but then he says
but then he says he, Left And i'm thinking he's
saying he left The chicago and his friend. Stayed PUT
i get back and find this kid was? Killed so
(35:54):
who killed the? Kids so these guys are saying we kidnapped.
Him Then i'm going To i'm going to surmise that
these individuals were not the, killers but they were the
ones who kidnapped and Handed adam wash off to someone, else.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Well kill.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Him but these two people supposedly split the ten grand
to do the abduction for this other. Guy so he's
alluding to the fact that when he gets, back this
kid has now been killed by the guy that he
basically Kidnapped Adam walsh to give Two so he's implicating
somebody others they're the, kidnappers somebody else killed.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Him.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Basically, Yeah and So hollywood is not too far From Donia,
beach which we have a connection to in the earlier
texar can Of phantom murders after they had a suspect in.
Jail SO i just thought it was interesting WHEN i
pulled Up hollywood That Donia beach was so Close Fort, Lauderdale.
Florida we can see all of this is within approximately let's.
(36:59):
See that's SO i mapped. Out they would have had
to have driven almost a little over four hours From
ocalla To hollywood in order to do this. Kidnapping.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yep, well and all of those, counties all those counties
together are very nefarious counties as far as law enforcement
goes and crime and. Secrets SO.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I just pulled out this blurb from the letter from
nineteen forty eight in regards to one of the previous,
murders and it, says made an acquaintance with a man
three weeks ago while In Griffith Stick Griffith Griffith. Park
he a great, Sport we got Friendly friday, night asked
(37:45):
me If i'd like to make about three hundred. Dollars
so this letter is coming from again a point of
an individual who met somebody who's now soliciting them to
make money to attempt to buy a house for, him
and he's claiming that he was then knocked out this
guy tied up and left unconscious while the person did
(38:05):
the deed and killed the real estate. Agent So i'm
just saying that this whole thought process and the communication
OF i met another guy who's responsible for, this THAT
i would you, Know i'm telling on them if you
get if you get Where i'm going with. That in
regards to The ocalla, letter it's big super, yes, yeah,
(38:25):
yeah all, right so we don't have to go through
all of. That but AGAIN i did, notice we do
know That jack had affiliation With Fort, Lauderdale, florida and
on the back it says looking. North and of course
we had some a couple's murder In Donia, beech which
is all very close To. Hollywood everything's within about fourteen
(38:46):
minutes of each, other and it may be. Neither, yeah oh.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Yeah that's how they and that's how they get, around
and that's how they d. Like it's Like florida is so,
big But florida is really a small town where everyone
knows everyone at the same.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Time right, now that brings us to the nineteen ninety One.
Scorpion letters are mailed To John walsh Of America's Most
wanted jacksone an episode and this came From Dennis, jackson
an episode ran By America's Most wanted on The Zodiac
killer and Asked dennis for a book By John. Walsh,
now next we're going to see the letters that are
(39:22):
written To John. Walsh do you know the name of that? Book?
Again tears of.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Rage i'm still, Right i'm reading. It i'm reading it right.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Now, Okay so laundry and research on this particular letter
because it says it's been more than fifteen, years But
America's Most wanted is just now ready to reveal a
series of personal. Threats in nineteen ninety, One America's Most wanted,
Host John, walsh was sent a series of anonymous threatening
(39:50):
letters that contained cryptic, clues secret, codes and claims that
the author committed some serious. Crimes THE fbi has examined
the letters and while they pill don't know who wrote
or sent these, letters they say they were not sent
by The zodiac killer here, right and the cryptographs have
yet to be. Solved can you help solve this mystery?
(40:10):
Now my comments on this PARTICULAR foya file paper in
regards to these letters is that number, one they were
withheld from the, public just like The christmas card, was
just like the nineteen eighty Six sacramento letter. Was and
it says a, series so that means there were several
communications that were. SENT i didn't ACTUALLY i didn't actually
(40:33):
find anything Threatening John, walsh nor DID i find anything
that indicated the individual was familiar with anything that was
going on With Adam. Walsh THOUGH i believe that there
are portions of these letters that have been, withheld if
not absolute whole. Communications so as we go through these,
letters you'll see What i'm talking. About BUT i didn't
(40:54):
see anything that was Threatening John walsh.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
And why They they. Wouldn't they, wouldn't they wouldn't threaten,
him but, He, uh what is the Reason adam was
taken in the first? Place because of something he? Did
and so they had to Use they just made him
a deal and turned around and, Said, okay you're gonna
be my. Puppet you're gonna do AS i. Say you're
(41:18):
gonna sit WHEN i say, sit and then you're gonna
do this. Show and, uh this is how we're going
to cover up all this mess because it's in connection
with all of our. Ship, so, uh this is what
we're gonna have to do in order to keep everything
going how they wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Going, WELL i think it was interesting because it was
you that introduced us to the fact That John walsh
did not WANT fbi involvement in the solving of his son's,
crime yet he then teams up with them On America's
Most wanted to help them solve their. Crimes i'm a little.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
That was the only law enforcement official that Endorsed America's Most.
Wanted he makes that clear and one of the early
commercials where it comes on like in between. You you're
watching a, show and it's like, saying what make sure
you Watch America's Most wanted because we're the only television
(42:12):
show that is endorsed by THE. Fbi and he says
it just like. That i've heard it so many. Times but,
yeah oh he makes that. Clear and so but in
the but in the case, files they he, said, no
we don't need THE. Fbi we got this. Covered we
got a good group of law enforcement that's working on.
(42:34):
This blah blah blah in the. Beginning so.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
All, right so let's let's go. THROUGH i don't know
why my. Okay so this is one of the first.
Letters it looks like it may be a complete uh uh.
COMMUNICATION i do not have envelopes for. This but the
letter is signed off As, scorpion and it, SAYS i
am your worst nightmare coming. True my true identity is
(43:00):
not known to you yet and hopefully will not be
for a long. Time your show is more, exciting, interesting
and factual than in any ship falled movie or. Series
i've recently moved Into New jersey and began a new crime.
SPREE i am currently responsible for twenty three unsolved, crimes
ranging from arson to brewery to, sabotage, homicide and occasionally
(43:20):
everything in. BETWEEN i strongly advise that you keep this
letter and start a rather large, file since you will
be hearing from me. AGAIN i have enclosed a rather
difficultly encoded message containing information that will prove rather useful to.
You this code took a lot of time and effort
to develop and hopes that it will DEFEAT fbi AND cia.
(43:42):
Codebreakers anything you wish to tell me or ask me
can be conveyed to me on your. Show this is
it becomes a common reach. Out we're going to see
it With Tom, Voyd we're seeing it With John. Walsh
the identity not being known yet kind of falls in
line with The christmas card that came out in nineteen
(44:02):
ninety which indicated guess who you? Know he's dressed in a,
disguise no doubt due to the show airing and it's
still being an unsolved case on The, Zodiac jack requested
a book On John walsh after seeing his release Of
The Zodiac Unsolved. Mystery the listing of the crimes that
this suspect has committed is not unlike The zodiac claiming
(44:22):
that he will commit in the. Future so if you remember,
Correctly zodiac, Indicated i'm not going to announce it to.
Anyone WHEN i commit my, murders they shall look like routine,
robberies killings of, anger and a few fake, accidents. Etc
so even in the linguistics and the message attempting to
be portrayed is very similar to what The zodiac has.
(44:45):
Said now keep coming up real.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Quick so the similarities you just mentioned about about you
don't know MY i didn't, andy blah blah. Blah if
you remember just that letter we just, READ i don't
know his, name he doesn't know mine.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Exactly, yes it does fall in with the Whole i'm
keeping everything a, secret and it's a guessing, game which
is exactly the communication portrayed on The christmas card which,
said guess is.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
That the old Little Jack rabbit by The? Snowman?
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yes, yeah and that just came out in nineteen. Ninety
that's What i'm, saying is that he's been ramping up
all of a. Sudden now this coincides With jack having
retired From Hewlett packard as a contract security. Guard but
as he's, retiring we're starting to see all of these
communications emerge as if he's just you, know piping up to,
say hey, Folks i'm still. Here so now he's accepting
(45:40):
responsibility for crimes in The New jersey. Area zodiac sent
A christmas card with copies of two postmaster keys with serial.
Numbers Now i'm not sure whether or Not harriet was
correct on, this but she indicated that these postal code
numbers went To, Princeton New, jersey and one was an
international post office box. Key now that is contradict obviously
By Tom voyd And Sandy, betts who claimed that they
(46:03):
ran down these postal key numbers and located it to
some gentlemen In, eureka which we know The zodiac has
connections To. Eureka so it's. Interesting but there's a lot
of things That Tom boyd has been portrayed as somebody
who can't be trusted with his information nor his. Research
(46:24):
So i'm not really sure IF i buy into any
of the facts that he had gone and visited this
individual with a post office box in eurekain that those
keys went, there or if it was just a way
for him to disinform the public in regards to where
these keys actually link back.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
To but, quick, broquick before we get off this. Subject
so WHENEVER i was doing, RESEARCH i actually researched Who
Charlie kerr, was AND i actually found this article that
where somebody was Saying Charlie kerr is who also identified
The charlie In Paul bonacci's account of an abduction of his.
(47:04):
Abduction and this is if you, know if you're familiar
With Paul, bonacci he was the crazy guy that they
said that was, crazy that was involved In Johnny gosh's
kidnapping in nineteen eighty, two that this was An iowa was.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
He a big, bearded barefoot. PERSON i don't.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
KNOW i have to start for a. Picture but they're
saying that he was involved in an interstate pedophile. Ring
his involvement in pedophilia is documented in police, reports and
he attached the police reports. Here the chance That bonacci
would identify This Suex city area With iowa farmhouse owner
(47:46):
Named charlie as part of the child trafficking ring there
is in fact A.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Okay So i'm not sure how This you've lost me
as to how this even fits into what we have
going on here with The scorpion.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
Letters so it connects to this pedophile. Ring so SO
i think that they were part of This zodiac.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Ring but was that In New? Jersey how did you
make this?
Speaker 4 (48:12):
CONNECTION i was just going back to that letter of
The Charlie kerr. LETTER i just.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Can't, okay but that's being written To, charlie not From
charlie And charlie.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
Exactly so that's.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
What so we got two Different charlie's going on, here all.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Right Charlie kerr that it named, him actually his whole,
name so.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Okay, yeah AND i don't. KNOW i, mean this Is
Charlie reese that is being written to at The Sentinel.
Star So Charlie kerr And Charlie reese are to different.
People let's, See zodiac was known to predict his crimes
in the. Future this may have been a ploy to
say where he was going to going, next if actually
received in nineteen ninety, one or if it was received
AS i believed to have seen in two thousand and
(48:55):
one and was discussing what he had just. Done SO
i also thought maybe there was connection if they're trying
to backdate this and say that they've been sitting on
these for fifteen, years when really they only sat on
them for about five and these letters were mailed in
two thousand and one following the anthrax. ATTACKS i believe
there was approximately twenty some victims involved in. That that
(49:15):
would make sense out of the postal keys going To,
Princeton New. Jersey it would actually kind of wrap a
lot of things up if these letters were were received
at a different timeframe in which they are trying to
let us believe either, way they withheld it from us
for so, long how are we supposed to believe when
they actively received these. Communications but for, NOW i have
(49:37):
it chronologically in nineteen ninety. One all, right we're about
ten seconds out from the show. Ending we didn't get
as far AS i want to.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Do, yes do we have the copies of the Other scorpion.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Letters, Yes we're gonna go over those Next. Friday so,
EVERYBODY i want to thank You, lindsey thank You, dolan
and we'll see you guys Next friday as we continue
with The John Walsh scorpion. Letters take, care And.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
I'm gonna look in the case files two for anything
in relation to The scorpion.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Beautiful all, right you, guys take.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
CARE i have a Great, yeah
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