November 14, 2025 • 50 mins
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
I'd like to welcome to the show today, Lindsay mcbrair ay. Yes,
but actually hear your wind. I wish I was driving.
(01:17):
All right, Well, we are back again with the John
Bennet Ramsey case. Of course, last week we were talking
about some of the the statements in the actual letter,
the ransom note that was left at the crime scene
at the Ramsey home, and then we were talking a
(01:38):
little bit about later confessions. So up on my presentation
at this point, I show that we took or we
ended basically on late later confessions, which included John Mark
Carr other individuals that had come forward. John Mark Carr
is really kind of one of the more infamous I
guess suspects that had taken credit for something he hadn't done.
(02:02):
So we are definitely going to cover him in great
detail once we're through with the actual evidence in this
case genealogy research. Again, on the documentary that I watched,
the recent one, John Ramsey had indicated that they he
was hoping that they would do DNA and kind of
trade trade trace that back through relatives or possibly link
(02:25):
to forefathers who this suspect might be. I'm not sure
what the hold up is on that, because I'm pretty
sure this documentary was made at least a year ago,
if not longer. By the time I had seen it
had already been produced and on Netflix. So I'm not
sure why we don't have some answers to this just yet, unless,
(02:47):
of course, this is not an avenue they want to
take because it means it will unravel all of these
different crimes. So I do have a question about that,
and of course I had, Oh, are we working here,
let's get on it. Yeah, there we go. We do
have questions or comments from YouTubers that had asked about that,
(03:08):
so we'll go ahead and cover those comments that we
had this last week. So I had somebody says it's
at Tian Accountability seven four five five. Not sure who
this is, but it says, here's your answer. She never
passed or went missing. She was sold to Hollywood. So
next time you see Katy Perry, you'll know to say
(03:29):
hello to John ben A Ramsey. Did I lose you, Lindsey?
Are you still there? I showed three people in the studio.
I don't know she muted herself. Okay. Anyways, I think
that I have heard many times people try to make
(03:49):
the conclusion or state that Katy Perry is, in fact
John ben A Ramsey. I have not done a lot
of research into that, nor have I taken a look.
I'm sure that the blue eyes is something that they're
cross connecting, but I don't. I went on to, you know,
state that I had read these theories, and I asked
(04:11):
if they were also someone that believes five G is
killing us? And of course that was more of a
sarcastic joke, and I had mentioned that those would be
some really convincing autopsy photos. How would you get John
Beney Ramsey to pose for something like that, or to
make up some type of doppelganger for her in order
(04:33):
to pose for those particular photos. I just I can't
see that being a realistic thing. But I know that
from the individuals who were stating that John Benney was
actually Katie Perry sold to Hollywood. They also believe that
five G is killing us and that there's a meteor
that's going to take out the Earth. There's this huge,
like real conspiracy theories that are going on. So after
(04:59):
I asked if they believed that, they actually came back
and said out finding the Zodiac, absolutely, it is killing
us slowly. CGI and augmentation has been around for nearly
a century. We are just so gullible due to believing
the lies of our alleged history. We do not live
in the age of technology. Not quite sure what they
meant by that, but yes, I did get an affirmative.
(05:21):
So are you back with me, lindsay, yes, can you
hear me? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
So what I was gonna say was, uh, those are
the kind of ones that, uh, they're seeking, they're.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Seeking, they're on the right path, but.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I mean you can't I mean it's a possibility, but
it's a very low possibility.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
And those are the ones that you can't speak out loud.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Those theories, because that's what gets the ones that really
are trying to find the truth off the truth and
back into La la land exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
You know, so I think, you know, I mean, when
I visualized John Manet's little tiny face and Katy Perry
some parts of the eyes maybe you know.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Conn Patsy, she really does look a lot like Patsy.
Uh uh, Katy Perry does.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
What Yeah, he thinks.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
I actually, I've seen this theory before it and I
obviously had to go down that hole and see, and
I mean there are a lot of similarities, but not
enough to say, yeah, that's her.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Gotcha, gotcha? All right, I'm glad somebody else waged in
on that, because I've only listened to people say that
I haven't really taken it seriously. And I certainly didn't
jump down that rabbit hole because again, we have the
autopsy photos. You know, how did these come about? If
if John Beney really wasn't dead? Oh my goodness. All right,
(06:54):
onto the next YouTuber. Actually it's the same YouTuber says
you you easily just believe the story given yikes, Hey,
I got an idea. Let's figure out what pass Santa
took last night? And why rabbits poop colorful eggs one
day a year, since that's what you told your kids. Wait,
even you deceive your own children, how about we figure
out the mystery of why you were so proud to
(07:15):
be a liar and deceive your kids. I was like, Wow,
what the heck is going on right now? You just
literally called me a liar. I said, just because you
lied to your kids doesn't mean I did. So maybe
you need to discuss that with someone, But it isn't me.
Folklore has been handed down for years, and when my
children became old enough to ask the questions about it,
(07:36):
I didn't lie about it. I told them the truth.
I don't I know that when you're using the folklore,
you're telling these stories in order to make these whimsical
stories and thoughts and ideas in kids' heads. Once they
start asking the questions about it, is when you begin
to be honest about it. You don't continue to deceive
(07:58):
them and tell them that they're wrong, because that is,
in a sense, I mean, you are deceiving and lying
to your children. But Santa Claus worked for as long
as it worked, and the second that they knew or
the second that they questioned it. I told them the truth.
Ezra Kubis comments and says, didn't Dennis say that Jack
has a home was home in California during Christmas nineteen
(08:20):
ninety six. I think I remember reading it, and yes,
that is correct. Dennis did believe that. Dennis also didn't
remember that Jack had taken off for nearly a month
at least up to either December sixteenth or Christmas Day.
I'm not exactly sure. And then he says, mister Ramsey
was saying that they likely will be doing DNA analysis
(08:43):
to where an expert will link the DNA found to
a specific family tree and can pinpoint who the killer
was born to, grandparents, great grandparents, grandparents, parents, and can
eliminate siblings. That will be interesting, because again that's I
think what John m is looking for, even though he
hasn't gotten it. Now. I did put up here another
(09:05):
podcaster which I watched this episode that you sent me,
Lindsay the Nord Jasmine.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, I don't, I don't. I think he's from another country,
but he does really good work. And yes it's a she.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Nor is a she?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
No, that must not be the one you.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Sent it to me. You said I needed to watch it,
and it was m K Ultra. Who I spelt that wrong?
Mk Ultra, or she spelt that wrong. Oh no she didn't.
It's the pun m K Cultra.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Oh that one, yes, oh that one? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just found her. She is legit like she does
like really good research.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yes and that, and I was very very much impressed
by what I was watching. It says we needed her episode,
m K Cultra. We need to talk about the CIA
and Colts. Now. I think I've got the U r
L up here for everybody. If they want to go
and watch this, they can obviously look up nor It's
nor Jasmine on YouTube and check her out. She succinctly
(10:10):
put together everything from the nineteen forties I want to say,
up and through Jonestown Manson. I want to say, maybe
early seventies. So she does this very succinct thing where
she shows the connectivity between all of the players and
everything that we've talked about and we've come across, which
(10:31):
I want. I have reached out to her and asked
if I can play her episode for our viewers because
I think that she again wraps up in probably forty
fifty minutes. What I go over for sixty seventy years
and sometimes we forget, you know, ten twenty years down
my presentation, we forget the connectivity from back there. But
(10:52):
once you listen to her, it was absolutely all inspiring.
I was like, wow, like you said, she does her homework.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Hmm, yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Is a mussy for everybody for sure. And I also
then went back to the swearing them solve on the
Melvin Belli letter that talked about I cult trigger and
needing work. So when you listen to Nor talk about this,
you're going to hear her talk about colts triggers. So
(11:22):
basically the bottom line is she believes that mk ultra
is what made these colts. Yeah, the Manson fan it
makes absolute sense if this is what they were testing.
That and what she found in documents that discuss mk
ultra and what they were capable of doing with this
is much more than the government would like us to believe.
(11:44):
I mean, they were completely successful on so many levels
of brainwashing of getting somebody to do something they wouldn't
ordinarily do, even against their morals and their virtues and
their ethics. You know, yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Was it's infuriating their personalities within that person.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
One percent. Like, I was completely blown away that they
kept saying it was successful. Actually, Sidney Gottlieb, it was
successful over and over again. This blew me away. Yeah,
all right, so that puts us back to Oh, I
do have an update actually in the William in the
Peter Wilson case, the wrongful conviction. I received a new
(12:23):
document that I just rendered an opinion on from his case.
And this is just this blew me away, but it
is the actual confession from from William Coleman stating that
he had sex the night that Hawk Chuw Kim was killed.
And this actually went missing. It was removed from the file.
(12:43):
So we can actually see down here where it says
removed from the file thirty first to March. This is
the police officer Michael Yours handwriting where he removed this
from the police file because it literally exculps Peter Wilson
because he was in San Francisco in the hospital having
his hand fixed when when Coleman actually had sex with
(13:05):
Hawk Jew Kim. Now, I'm pretty sure that in this
confection it's only half true. He probably raped her and
killed her, which is why she ended up dead. But
he's admitting to having consensual sex with her. Uh and
and I think that was probably to explain a way
they are going to find his semen in his in
his fluids on her. Absolutely, just my jaw hit the
(13:30):
floor when I saw this. You guys, this is absolutely insane.
This man needs to be free, and I need to
find an attorney who can help him with his rid
of habeas corpus. Yeah, all right, from my message.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
There are I'm not dependent criminals, but as my husband
always has its criminals.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
But.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
He doesn't know what we know that right, and it's
harder to see explaining it just in five seconds to someone.
So yeah, I mean, but like there literally is so
many in person. I believe that we're probably in k
ultra in some type of way into confessing to something
that they didn't do well.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And you have to imagine that that program took place,
like nor said, in prisons, in mental hospitals, in universities
San Francisco, New York, that there was a socialite aspect
of it too, where socialites were using it on their
male counterparts. So it runs.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
There's a portion of it as well that that I
can verify from from multiple sources that that they still
use in investigative interrogation purposes.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Of course, if they if we think that this is
ended simply because you know, mk ulture was shut down
and Helms had all the you know, files destroyed, they
just pick it up, call it another thing and continue on.
I mean, I think it started as what paper Clip,
then Artichoke, then Bluebird, and then mk ultra turned into
Midnight Climax, like it just keeps evolving into a new
(15:11):
program and you know, hidden a little bit better the
next time. Ah, disgusting. Anyways, I do have some information
that I pulled from my message board way back in
twenty twelve when I was putting this presentation together, and
it was information that Terry Batcher had actually pulled out
(15:32):
or extracted from what he could in the files because
he was well read on the John Benny Ramsey case.
So I thought it would be prudent to kind of
lay out what he believed to be the evidence before
we get into all of the pictures. So it says
one must read and double check things in the JBR
case to be properly informed. There's a lot of info
on the net, but some of it is just playing
(15:53):
wrong and doesn't compare with the known evidence. This list
is a work in progress by Terry Batcher. He says,
oddit evidence in the Ramsey case pineapple found in the
victims gi tracked bowl of fresh cut pineapple with large
spoon discovered later on. Ramseys had no reason to deny
that they fed that to her. Where if it were true? Yeah, again,
(16:14):
that's not something I would see that they would even
think to themselves, they'd have to have denied doing so
why did they We didn't give that to her? Why
is that there on the counter?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Then?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Who fed it to her? It was found in her system.
There was a water glass with a tea bag in it,
and a Kleenex box found next to the bull of pineapple.
Ramsey said they knew nothing about it and again had
no reason to lie about that. Black, I guess. And
when I say some of these things, you're probably chomping
at the bit to say that this is where your
(16:45):
theory of somebody was sexually abusing her, that it had
gone wrong. So that person may have been in their
house and the Ramseys may have been very well aware
of it, right, lindsay, Okay, so as well, and then
they would have had a reason I suppose then to
lie about the knowledge of those items because they very
(17:07):
well knew who was eating or feeding. Yeah, yeah, they
said that. He says the black duct tape found on
the victim was never sourced, there was no role of
it found in the house, and the duct tape had
been recently manufactured, so it was a newer duct tape.
Good morning, Nolan, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Good morning. Everybody had technical difficulties to overcome them.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Finally I had some this morning too, So no harm,
no foul, haha. He went back and edited to add,
in fact, it was a black gaffer's tape, which is
a specialized tape that is more narrow than two inch
duct tape. I also suspect that it was meant to
serve as a mimic of the black Doahla's victims wounds.
I'm not sure what he means by that, because I
(17:53):
don't know where this tape was found on her. I
don't know if it was on her face, on her hands.
I just I don't know.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
I think the size of it makes it easier to
use to bind someone. The duct tape was thicker, and
it's not really for that.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Purpose, right, especially small little hands. And again I don't
know I mean when he's saying, mimic her wounds, black doll,
you was cut from cheek to cheek, So is he
indicating that this tape was on her mouth. She was
cut in the abdomen, she was cut in the breast,
she was bisected.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
All of this I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't either. He says. The tip of
the paint brush used to break victim's himen and part
of the garrett was never found. Which, yes, there was
one third of the brush that was never found. Sharpie
used to write the ransom note was of a much
older manufactured date than other markers found in the home.
Several pages on the tablet used to construct the ransom
(18:51):
note and practice note were never found. Beaver hairs were
found on the victim. Brown cotton glove fibers were found
on the victim. Brown people bag type fibers found on
victim's bed, perhaps from a cardboard tube used to carry
the ransom note. I think these are just theories on
his part. Some of it evidence. Victim was strangled twice.
(19:11):
Second event was meant to kill her, and the blow
to the head came when the victim was already dead,
So that really kind of excludes Burke from having been
the one who hit her out of rage because she
was playing with his toy. You know, all these people
have these theories about Burke being the culprit here, But
if the damage to her skull didn't occurrence laughter she
was strangled, we know it wasn't Burke. Again, he couldn't
(19:34):
have created the Garrett and it would be more likely
if she had suffered the head injury first then was strangled,
that it could have been a possibility that the strangulation
was a cover up for the head injury, but that's
evidently not what the autopsy is saying.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
He's such a strange kid though, these very curious.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Figure Oh well, I have an explanation for that, go ahead,
because I think that he is weird like that because
at the same time, John Beney was well before John Beney,
I think that he was being sexually abused, not necessarily
by the parents, but by others that and they knew
(20:14):
about it. And so when he got and once Burke
got older and John Benney got to the age where
they like whatever, you know, then then they started doing
it to her. And he was abandoned at that point
and he was no longer being used, no longer being abused,
but he had.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Already went through all that trauma.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
So this would.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Actually also.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Give you that result of him feeling abandoned all the time,
like he has said, and that and that people have
wrote about him, how he was kind of like outcasted
by when John Benney was the main figure in the
family and everybody was like adoring over her, but then
he was over here sitting by hisself, like just that
(21:00):
to use as an analogy. So I think that that
would make him feel that way, make him weird and
act these different ways of because the trauma that he
had experienced, not only you know, before John Beney or
during John Benet when she up until she was six.
But I think that he was slowly being you know,
(21:23):
cut off being abused and no longer getting that attention,
even though as we know, even though it's negative attention,
but with a child, they don't understand at that age
that you know, if they're not getting attention at all,
any attention is going to satisfy their needs as a child, right.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
But I would think that his abandonment would also come
in the lieu of the fact that the parents were
under such strict or such scrutiny, you know, dealing with
this legally. You know, all of the news reports, all
the interviews all. I mean, he probably and coming from
that type of a lifestyle. I don't know if they
have to nanny, you know, it sounded to me like
(22:02):
Patsy was pretty much home right.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
They had they had a housekeeper.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
A housekeeper is different than a nanny. So I imagine
that with you know, some people that you know, they're
so rich and they're so gone all the time that
they literally have somebody else playing parent. It didn't appear
that way to me based on you know, everything that
we've seen throughout you know, the news and so forth.
So his abandonment issues could be legitimately from the fact
that his sister died and his parents went through what
(22:29):
they went through, and of course then mom dies. You know,
I want to say, well if he was wa yeah, yeah,
there's a whole lot going on.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
There was some jealousy though too.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
There well, there, there there is. I mean, so sibil
sibling rivalry is a real thing, right, I mean.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I had I had a small a small brother, and
he when I would go on the out when I
was old enough to go spend the night with my
friends on the weekend, or go do something with friends
as a girl. You know, I feel like girls are
more social in a way rather than boys at that age.
And so and he was being him being almost four
(23:12):
years younger than me, I was able to do things
that he wasn't able to go off and do, and
so he would definitely get jealous of and he would
always he would tell my mom, it's not fair that.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
She's going off and doing things every weekend. I don't
get to tell anything. I'm just sitting here, you know,
Like he would complain.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
And then it got to a point where my mom
had to be like, all right, you're not going anywhere
this weekend because that's not fair to your brother, you know.
And that would I mean, obviously that would make me mad.
But I mean, yeah, I get it now looking back
at it so well.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And I mean John Benaoud received a lot, a lot
of attention obviously as a beauty star, you know, a
beauty pageant, little miss beauty queen. So she's receiving you know,
all types of attention and gifts and awards. And I
really don't know what Burke was up to But I
would assume they would have had him in some type
(24:03):
of sport or something that he could be doing that
they didn't just cater to John Beney because she was beautiful, right, Yeah.
So he goes on to say the stun gun marks
on victim's neck and leg. Former detective Steve Thomas called
the stun gun evidence make believe. Yet many experts confirm
that nothing else explains the duplicate marks and spacing, and
(24:26):
it is an exact fit to the airtaser brand. Edited
to add this evidence may may tie into evidence that
a second assailant may have been involved in this vicious murder.
A copy of mind Hunter by John Douglas was found
in Ramsey's home. Ramsey said they knew nothing about it
and again had no reason to lie about it. So, okay,
(24:47):
that's odd. A copy of a book in Danish was
found in the home, but Ramsey said they knew nothing
about it and had no reason to lie. He mentions
that is JT sending a message with this. I tend
to think so, but again I don't know what message
he means by you know, a book of Danish. Victim
(25:07):
was wrapped in a blanket but her legs and feet
weren't covered. Victim's arms were both poised. I think he
meant to say posed upwards, same as e short and
the skeleton card and the spooky picture of Jack. Brown
paper bag with rope in it found in the guest bedroom,
same room overlooked the garage and rear entrance to garage.
(25:28):
Edited to add I've recently discovered the significance of the
brown paper bag mentioned on the ransom note, along with
the cowgirl photo shoot that was that has rope at
the feet of the victim, and the fact that a
new pair of cowboy boots, along with a small suitcase
with men's clothes in it, was found at their summer home.
This is clear evidence of premeditation and stocking. Photo of
(25:50):
the bed in the guest room shows that the dust
ruffle was out of place in an otherwise tidy room,
perhaps caused by a search for the victim. The public
domain doesn't have detail on this. There's a red outline
type heart shaped figure drawn on the life lines of
the victim's hand. JT had a small red heart tattoo
on his arm. I know this one was big for Terry.
(26:11):
He used to you know, mention that Jack had this
the red heart tattoo and this red heart on John
Benney's hand, was leading him to believe that Jack committed
this crime. But again, I think that Jack was a
piece of this crime, not the whole crime. Barbie doll
outfit was found near victim may have simply stuck to
the blanket that she was wrapped in. Boulder PD claimed
(26:35):
voices heard at the end of the nine to eleven
nine to one to one tape, but the noise level
was far too high for this to be a valid claim.
Fleet White was said to have called nine one one
on the twenty third police arrived. His version of this
event is not in the public domain. So why would
fleet White call the police on the twenty third, that's
(26:55):
two days before the murder. I'm not sure where he
was going with that. Are you aware of any of that, Lindsey?
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I think that I think that he knew of something.
I don't know what he knew, but he definitely knew
more than he was saying. Because you know, as you
as you you may know, he had pretty much like
disassociated himself with John and all them after a while,
and they no longer communicated with each other.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Huh, oh, you mean after after the murder. Yeah, he
disassociated himself, gotcha, he says. He says upon arrival on
the morning of the crime, fleet White looked in the
cellar room but claimed it was too dark in there.
He had been in the same windowless room on previous occasions.
(27:45):
Fleet White and his wife were the only friends of
the Ramseys to point suspicion at the Ramseys, and did
so repeatedly. I also found that odd. I mean, how
does your friend point you out? I mean, I don't
know that.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
He's the one that went in the basement with uh,
with John to find.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
John Bennet ultimately finding Ye. Yes, but he claimed he
had been there and looked in and it was too dark,
which obviously was not true. Edited to add the stuffed
toy jack rabbit found at the victim's grave is the
killer's calling card. The rope evidence is strongly linked to
the nineteen seventy eight death scene of Chris Bush as
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he relates to the occ cases. The screaming boy drawing
found taped to his wall has several Zodiac killer markings
on it. On the desk was a VW. Rabbit brochure
in his otherwise tidy closet was a pile of rope
by a rope.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
You remember back when we were talking about Bush that
murder that they found that rope. I remember me telling
you about that rope because I found that to be
looking like the same rope too.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Right, I wonder if that well, and you know we've
got the birope by Zodiac, so it does play into it.
By rope was an unfulfilled Zodiac killer threat O C. C. K.
Victim Jill Robinson's death was exactly twenty years to the
date earlier to the to the murder of John Bennet
and poetic anagram of their ages, date of birth and
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date of deaths is uncanny.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Well, we know that.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
I think that the Zodiac used a lot of jumatria
and uh in in in numerology.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
So say that again, you.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Can lead things easily into and be able to uh
kind of connect things a lot of different things, like
in general with with numerology.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
And he knew that.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
He knew that, and that it's and I use symbolism
uh in their cults and in their in in the
even in in the government.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
So and he knew that.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, Well, and we know that you know, decoding and
and these anniversary dates and these you know, the timings
of the killings all, you know, either led back to
some type of that's why they, you know, look at
this like it's a zodiac and constellations and based on
where the sun is or what have you, which is
another one of those theories that they've thrown out there
(30:13):
to confuse us, kind of like the Colt issues. They
want to talk about the Colts, But I think Nor
was probably the first person I seen who coesively connected
everything from Jonestown and Manson to all of this, these
other entities that we've talked about that we that I
feel are part of what the zodiac is really all about.
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Some additional evidence that and some of this might be repetitive,
but some of it is not. So A summary of
the basic autopsy facts regarding John Binney's torture and murder
by Terry Batcher. She suffered two strangulation events via a
noose made from flat white bards similar to early military
parachute type of bard and a broken portion Your background
(30:58):
noise is really loud right now, girls, Okay? Cool? Which
U see military parachute type of cord and a broken
portion of a paintbrush handle which had a rather sophisticated
wrapping of the cord around the handle, which acted as
a knot. She left marks from her fingernails on her
neck as she clawed at the noose, which meant that
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while she was being strangled, she was still currently alive
at that point in time. Yes, she probably let out
a scream that funneled out of the front of the house.
It wasn't realized until her autopsy that she had been
hit very hard on the back of the head, so
hard and probably with a big, long cop shop type
of maglight that it drove a two y three centimeter
portion of bone inward and cracked her skull all the
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way around and over the top of her eye socket.
Is it right, Yeah, gnar, that's absolutely gnarly.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
So.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
She says she had less than a teaspoon of blood
in her cranium, which is only part of the evidence
that demonstrates that the primary cause of death was via
the noose aka the garrett. This list of facts and
the stun gun marks found on her face and leg,
which is a fact which was established by the late
detective Louce Smith, proves that she was tortured while alive,
and remains further destroyed and defiled after she was dead.
(32:15):
Shards of the paintbrush handle were found in her vagina,
along with other crime scene evidence. The portion of the
handle used on her vagina went missing. All of the
above facts, coupled with the murder note evidence makes it
clear that her murder was no accident, nor did it
stem from an accident. So that information, once again I think,
(32:36):
esculpts Burke from being the suspect. Hands down. That had
to be done by an adult.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think that that does. But I don't
believe a lot of the things that Lousmith believed. As
far as this the stun gun, I think that that
was maybe possibly used to cover after the fact. It
was it used to control her.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I would think that the bruising that came from it,
if it was done after the fact, wouldn't have happened, right,
Just like he said that the the teaspoon of what
did he say there was? Yeah, a teaspoon of blood
was found in her cranium from that actual so that
meant that blood was not pumping at that point in time.
(33:25):
I think that you would have had that same issue
if you had stun gun to her after the fact
versus before she died.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
When I'm not saying but after she died, I'm saying
after she was starting to they were starting to molest her.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That they used the sun gun to control her.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Yeah, like kind of not not control her, but like
you know how these people are, They're they're sick that
it just to like mess with her to get her
to make an effect that would excite them.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. Even thinking about that, well, that
also brings me to one of your emails that I
received from you back on January fourth, and it says, oh,
and to add to the previous email, John Benet's grandfather,
John Ramsey's father named James Dudley j Raim Ramsey was
the one who helped fund, build and construct the airstrip
(34:21):
runway for private planes to land on North Fox Island,
which is the pedophile island that was shut down. You said,
how freaking insane if this shit isn't a Satanic power
kill group network, people working together with each other under
the CIA and with the help of mk Ultra program
as well to create these serial killers along the way,
adding to their kill groups. The more you dig, the deeper,
(34:44):
the whole gets and I swear it never ends ever.
So yeah, let's see.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Yeah, when you don't go for sleep for like several years,
two hours a day and you're so deep in research
and you literally see it all in by real time,
it's like, well, how can anyone not see this? But
I mean, I get one because of so many years
(35:12):
of them doing it.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
But it's like, I mean, that's a wrap up.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I'm at the beginning of this. Nolan I discussed a
podcast that Lindsay had sent over to me, and her
name is nor Jasmine. First name is noo R. She
did about a forty to fifty minute podcast where she
literally shows all the connectivity of everything that we talk
about very succinctly with valid research and paperwork from the
(35:41):
mk Ultra program that shows how the possibility of Jonestown
and Manson and all of these being CIA created cults
through the mk Ultra program. It was absolutely phenomenal. I'm
gonna see it.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Black Manson and Jim Jones both started out in.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
San Francisco, right we know, mk Ultra was operated in
San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
And yeah, and at a particular health care facility that
Manson was told by his parole officer to go visit
and that's hee'd Ashbury Free Clinic. Well, you know what
was interesting is that she kept calling the the doctor
that was running this mister Jolly, which I thought was yeah,
(36:29):
Jolly West and this mind control a little bit right like.
But he was affiliated with that particular health care facility,
and we know that mk Ulture was employed at mental
health clinics and hospitals, prison at the clinic. Yeah, yeah,
(36:51):
he was definitely connected. So she she really kind of
steers away from saying it is what it is, but
she just throws out the facts so that you can
form your own opinion. And really through her research, she's
come to the same conclusion that I have just going
through these letters in these communications from these serial killings,
which is absolutely insane to me. Yeah, all right, so
(37:13):
now we have some pictures. Once again, I think that
they're always cramming in your face the truth, but they
do it in such a subtle way that we accept
little bits of it and sometimes don't even recognize it.
So I was given a True Crime Unsolved Mysteries magazine
for my birthday one year because the individual knew that
I studied and researched on the Zodiac Killer, and so
(37:36):
I found it interesting to see and note that we
had John Bna Ramsay right next to the Zodiac Killer's picture.
We also have Bob Crane, who I have shown and supported,
and I think even Harriet has stated that this murder
was part of his murder was also something that was
part of this group. So again we have the all
(37:59):
these people being employed on this true Crime Unsolved Mysteries
magazine that's being sold. I want to say this thing
was like, how much was this fifteen ninety nine Canadian
and thirteen ninety nine US, so fourteen dollars a pop.
Who knows how many they sold, but I'm sure it
flew off the shelves anyways, right, I probably wouldn't have
(38:22):
because that meant that I was, you know, supporting them,
but it was nice for my friend who have gotten
it for me. Here we have some pictures, and we're
going to see some of the evidence and pictures of
John Benny Ramsey as we go through this. And I
did pull a lot of this was pulled from the
docuseries that I watched, So let's see here, This says
(38:43):
Boulder City spokesperson Leslie Aholm. Later that day, John Ramsey,
a former Navy officer, piloted about a dozen relatives on
his private jet to Georgia, where the family had lived
before moving to Colorado in nineteen ninety one. So now
we have support that John is also a pilot, which
kind of tracks with Lindsay telling us that his dad
(39:05):
built runways. That kind of like led me though to
the point where I know that the maid stated that
she had never seen this parachute cord that was used
in the garrett and strangulation of John Benny Ramsey. But
it wouldn't be out of character for parachute cord to
be around, especially if John was a pilot, I would
(39:25):
assume that he had parachutes, right Yep. Now, maybe not
in the house, but evidently it was trips too on
boats and stuff, right. But I'm just I was just
addressing that the parachute cord that Terry Batcher had indicated
was not from the home. It could have been from
(39:48):
the plane, could have been something that the Ramseys had
in possession or downstairs in the basement for whatever reason
that the maid was just unaware of. I don't know.
I'm just stating if he was a pilot. There's chances
there are parachutes involved.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
And then we got the Star Magazine, which I thought
is interesting. So I saw something posted not too long
ago that discussed, you know, the fake news that we
used to get from things like the Inquirer or Star Magazine.
And we know that the Zodiac wrote to the Star
Magazine at one point. So yes, there is some some
(40:26):
truth I think in these while there's also these outlandish
statements making us or causing us to question what whether
or not we can believe what we're reading. And sometimes
I feel like they had the first day I right,
I mean, didn't they create photos that weren't real and
then post them? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:45):
I have this technology way, I mean decades probably before
we release it to.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Us, right right, right, right, yeah, So people can understand
now that this is where AI began, right with these tabloids.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Aside, recently I watched the movie Gypsy about Gypsy rose Lee,
the famous back in the day famously, I started out
as vaudeville company and Gypsy rose Lee wasn't even that
far that the little sister was the star of the
vaudeville act.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
And she looked just like Jamminet Ramsey.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
And how old is that curly hair cut?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
And the movie is called Gypsy with Natalie Wood.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Okay, but how old.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Is the guy? Oh it's from the sixties.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Oh yes, that little girl.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yes, that is another rabbit about that girl.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yes, so she was in the movie and then ended
up dead.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
She developed over the years.
Speaker 6 (41:54):
But I'm just saying, John Maine Ramsey looks just like
that character in the movie when she was younger, she
gets older, they both like Natalie Wood is played by
a well, she plays a boy in one of the acts,
because the character that was Natalie would same character was
was younger, but then she gets older into her teens.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Then Natalie Wood takes over the role.
Speaker 6 (42:15):
So this several different people, but the original when they
first started the movie, when the act was shown, it
was this little girl is the star and doing things
just like John ban Any Ramsey did. It was like
her look almost seems like it was patterned after that
little girl.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Oh, I see what you're saying. Somebody had commented, and
I know that you missed this at the beginning, but
they commented that John Benne Ramsey wasn't dead. She was
sold to Hollywood and she's now Katie Perry. Oh right,
I asked him. I asked them if they believed in
five G as well, and they retorted back, yes they do.
(42:54):
It's killing us. I went, I nailed that one I knew.
I do believe that there are people, Don't get me wrong.
I believe there are people who have sensitivity to electrical
apparatuses and technology and things like that. Like that's very
proven that some people's bodies can't stand you know, the
(43:16):
megahertz or the radio waves or whatever it is that's
you know, happening with microwaves in technology. But to the
extent that it's killing all of us, I think that
would really be a detriment to the cell phone companies
to kill off all of their their customers.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
With the tobacco companies, well.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
But that's I think that's slightly different because you're not
going to kill an entire population, whereas five G is everywhere,
you literally would kill an entire population. Like that's and
again with tobacco, obviously it's whether or not your body
suspect susceptible obviously to cancerous type things. Some people smoke
(43:58):
all their lives and never have answer.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
And I know, I know why that is because because
just like you said, not only that, but most people
are not gonna get canced almost I would say four
out of five people are not gonna get cancer from
cigarettes because your body can The reason why, the reason
(44:24):
why we have these people that say that they're addicted,
well they can be in a way that your body
is not producing enough tobacco because now many people know this,
but our bodies actually produce a hormone of tobacco naturally.
So just to say, if you're vitamin deficient of like
vitamin D or something, you're gonna go take vitamin D vitamins. Well,
(44:48):
the same thing with tobacco. But you don't see these
doctors like saying that the tobacco is a problem because
your body doesn't make enough tobacco for this particular uh
mchanical mechanism to fight off this or that, because they
don't think that it it matters obviously, and it would
defeat the purpose of the whole cigarette vacuum industry.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
So it makes sense.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Like I didn't know that either until when I figured
that out, I was like, well, that would make sense
why people are addicted in quotations, because maybe they're they're
that particular person's body is not producing an adequate amount
of tobacco and they crave it.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Yes, So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
If your body is creating that, that's not what's giving
them cancer.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
It's what else they put in them, putting.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yea or add to it, I was gonna say. And
everybody's individual, and no two people react the same to anything.
What might cause cancer in one person will not cause
cancer in another person. So back to John Bennet real quick.
We have John, but at the top of the Star magazine,
John and a Dad link to kitty porn's scandal. Truth
or fiction, right, We're getting it from a tabloid. We're
(45:57):
not supposed to believe because it's just fantastical. But we
have these claims that are being made to being linked
to a kiddie porn scandal. I did pull out some
handwriting from the images. I believe that this one was
actually Patsy Ramsey's handwriting. What I'm concerned about is I
(46:19):
think I'm fairly sure that they put in front of
her and asked her to write this way. And some
people when you do that. So when I ask a
client or a suspect to give me samples of handwriting.
I do not give them the image or the note
that is involved. I break these words down in different ways.
(46:40):
I make different sentences using the same words, so that
they're not so consciously thinking of the actual note itself
that they're being accused of writing, that they're now writing
more naturally. In comparison to this looks almost as if
it was sat right in front of her and she
just attempted to mimic it. I mean, she doesn't. It
doesn't spell business business with two s's in the middle,
(47:02):
So how did she come up with that unless she
was staring at the actual ransom note, it doesn't make
any sense. I wouldn't ask somebody to spell the word
wrong if that's not how they spell the word right,
I mean, spell it the way you normally spell it,
because that is a ruse. Up there another one. It
(47:23):
looked to me as though this was being purported as
actual evidence. I'm not sure if it is. I do
find several differences between this writing and the writing that
we have been shown on the Internet, which tells me
that either the writing we're seen on the internet has
been altered or this is not truly the note that
is being purported as evidence and in the property of
(47:46):
the police department. Well, we're down no. And I've said
on many occasions that it looks as though they've altered
and changed the looks of the ZODEAC handwriting for the
purpose of the Internet. And we know that the FOYA
files with the FDI it is intentionally distorted. So if
(48:08):
anybody even goes into those files, you're not pulling an
actual legitimate note. It's been altered in such a way
that it's been squished down and oddly shaped, not even
something that a scan would have done. So this wasn't
something that happened through the scanning process. They had to
manipulate it after they scanned it in to make it
look like that.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
Or scan it fifteen times.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
It scanned the same the scan page that they print,
scan it several times.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
But it's not going to cause the distortion and the
alterations that you see. But it's trying. I've shown I've
shown the images of the FOYA files next to Internet
letters and you can see the distinct differences in them,
and they're the distortion had to be manipulated on purpose
after the scan was done. Period. No amount of scanning
(48:59):
is going to call. So that's pretty much. I think
we're down to our last minute here. I want to
thank everybody again for being here. Go tech, check out
nor Jasmine, like I said, n as a Nancy R
Jasmine and see what she has to say in her
forty fifty minute little stint there. It is absolutely shocking
(49:20):
and interesting to see aligned so well with what we're
talking about. Thank you guys for being here. Yeah. Yeah,
So everybody, have a wonderful weekend, and we'll see you
next Friday.
Speaker 5 (49:33):
Yes, and man, I can tell you about I'll tell
y'all next time about the book I've read on one
of the detectives that wrote it.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Okay about the Yeah, because we're still going through this,
we'll hit some more pictures and some more evidence, and
then we'll talk about John Carr, John Mark Cars. We'll
be in it for a minute, ah in it to
wait itIt. Guys, have a great weekend. Bye bye.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
I'd like to welcome to the show today, Lindsay mcbrair ay. Yes,
but actually hear your wind. I wish I was driving.
(01:17):
All right, Well, we are back again with the John
Bennet Ramsey case. Of course, last week we were talking
about some of the the statements in the actual letter,
the ransom note that was left at the crime scene
at the Ramsey home, and then we were talking a
(01:38):
little bit about later confessions. So up on my presentation
at this point, I show that we took or we
ended basically on late later confessions, which included John Mark
Carr other individuals that had come forward. John Mark Carr
is really kind of one of the more infamous I
guess suspects that had taken credit for something he hadn't done.
(02:02):
So we are definitely going to cover him in great
detail once we're through with the actual evidence in this
case genealogy research. Again, on the documentary that I watched,
the recent one, John Ramsey had indicated that they he
was hoping that they would do DNA and kind of
trade trade trace that back through relatives or possibly link
(02:25):
to forefathers who this suspect might be. I'm not sure
what the hold up is on that, because I'm pretty
sure this documentary was made at least a year ago,
if not longer. By the time I had seen it
had already been produced and on Netflix. So I'm not
sure why we don't have some answers to this just yet, unless,
(02:47):
of course, this is not an avenue they want to
take because it means it will unravel all of these
different crimes. So I do have a question about that,
and of course I had, Oh, are we working here,
let's get on it. Yeah, there we go. We do
have questions or comments from YouTubers that had asked about that,
(03:08):
so we'll go ahead and cover those comments that we
had this last week. So I had somebody says it's
at Tian Accountability seven four five five. Not sure who
this is, but it says, here's your answer. She never
passed or went missing. She was sold to Hollywood. So
next time you see Katy Perry, you'll know to say
(03:29):
hello to John ben A Ramsey. Did I lose you, Lindsey?
Are you still there? I showed three people in the studio.
I don't know she muted herself. Okay. Anyways, I think
that I have heard many times people try to make
(03:49):
the conclusion or state that Katy Perry is, in fact
John ben A Ramsey. I have not done a lot
of research into that, nor have I taken a look.
I'm sure that the blue eyes is something that they're
cross connecting, but I don't. I went on to, you know,
state that I had read these theories, and I asked
(04:11):
if they were also someone that believes five G is
killing us? And of course that was more of a
sarcastic joke, and I had mentioned that those would be
some really convincing autopsy photos. How would you get John
Beney Ramsey to pose for something like that, or to
make up some type of doppelganger for her in order
(04:33):
to pose for those particular photos. I just I can't
see that being a realistic thing. But I know that
from the individuals who were stating that John Benney was
actually Katie Perry sold to Hollywood. They also believe that
five G is killing us and that there's a meteor
that's going to take out the Earth. There's this huge,
like real conspiracy theories that are going on. So after
(04:59):
I asked if they believed that, they actually came back
and said out finding the Zodiac, absolutely, it is killing
us slowly. CGI and augmentation has been around for nearly
a century. We are just so gullible due to believing
the lies of our alleged history. We do not live
in the age of technology. Not quite sure what they
meant by that, but yes, I did get an affirmative.
(05:21):
So are you back with me, lindsay, yes, can you
hear me? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
So what I was gonna say was, uh, those are
the kind of ones that, uh, they're seeking, they're.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Seeking, they're on the right path, but.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I mean you can't I mean it's a possibility, but
it's a very low possibility.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
And those are the ones that you can't speak out loud.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Those theories, because that's what gets the ones that really
are trying to find the truth off the truth and
back into La la land exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
You know, so I think, you know, I mean, when
I visualized John Manet's little tiny face and Katy Perry
some parts of the eyes maybe you know.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Conn Patsy, she really does look a lot like Patsy.
Uh uh, Katy Perry does.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
What Yeah, he thinks.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
I actually, I've seen this theory before it and I
obviously had to go down that hole and see, and
I mean there are a lot of similarities, but not
enough to say, yeah, that's her.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Gotcha, gotcha? All right, I'm glad somebody else waged in
on that, because I've only listened to people say that
I haven't really taken it seriously. And I certainly didn't
jump down that rabbit hole because again, we have the
autopsy photos. You know, how did these come about? If
if John Beney really wasn't dead? Oh my goodness. All right,
(06:54):
onto the next YouTuber. Actually it's the same YouTuber says
you you easily just believe the story given yikes, Hey,
I got an idea. Let's figure out what pass Santa
took last night? And why rabbits poop colorful eggs one
day a year, since that's what you told your kids. Wait,
even you deceive your own children, how about we figure
out the mystery of why you were so proud to
(07:15):
be a liar and deceive your kids. I was like, Wow,
what the heck is going on right now? You just
literally called me a liar. I said, just because you
lied to your kids doesn't mean I did. So maybe
you need to discuss that with someone, But it isn't me.
Folklore has been handed down for years, and when my
children became old enough to ask the questions about it,
(07:36):
I didn't lie about it. I told them the truth.
I don't I know that when you're using the folklore,
you're telling these stories in order to make these whimsical
stories and thoughts and ideas in kids' heads. Once they
start asking the questions about it, is when you begin
to be honest about it. You don't continue to deceive
(07:58):
them and tell them that they're wrong, because that is,
in a sense, I mean, you are deceiving and lying
to your children. But Santa Claus worked for as long
as it worked, and the second that they knew or
the second that they questioned it. I told them the truth.
Ezra Kubis comments and says, didn't Dennis say that Jack
has a home was home in California during Christmas nineteen
(08:20):
ninety six. I think I remember reading it, and yes,
that is correct. Dennis did believe that. Dennis also didn't
remember that Jack had taken off for nearly a month
at least up to either December sixteenth or Christmas Day.
I'm not exactly sure. And then he says, mister Ramsey
was saying that they likely will be doing DNA analysis
(08:43):
to where an expert will link the DNA found to
a specific family tree and can pinpoint who the killer
was born to, grandparents, great grandparents, grandparents, parents, and can
eliminate siblings. That will be interesting, because again that's I
think what John m is looking for, even though he
hasn't gotten it. Now. I did put up here another
(09:05):
podcaster which I watched this episode that you sent me,
Lindsay the Nord Jasmine.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, I don't, I don't. I think he's from another country,
but he does really good work. And yes it's a she.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Nor is a she?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
No, that must not be the one you.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Sent it to me. You said I needed to watch it,
and it was m K Ultra. Who I spelt that wrong?
Mk Ultra, or she spelt that wrong. Oh no she didn't.
It's the pun m K Cultra.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Oh that one, yes, oh that one? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just found her. She is legit like she does
like really good research.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yes and that, and I was very very much impressed
by what I was watching. It says we needed her episode,
m K Cultra. We need to talk about the CIA
and Colts. Now. I think I've got the U r
L up here for everybody. If they want to go
and watch this, they can obviously look up nor It's
nor Jasmine on YouTube and check her out. She succinctly
(10:10):
put together everything from the nineteen forties I want to say,
up and through Jonestown Manson. I want to say, maybe
early seventies. So she does this very succinct thing where
she shows the connectivity between all of the players and
everything that we've talked about and we've come across, which
(10:31):
I want. I have reached out to her and asked
if I can play her episode for our viewers because
I think that she again wraps up in probably forty
fifty minutes. What I go over for sixty seventy years
and sometimes we forget, you know, ten twenty years down
my presentation, we forget the connectivity from back there. But
(10:52):
once you listen to her, it was absolutely all inspiring.
I was like, wow, like you said, she does her homework.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Hmm, yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Is a mussy for everybody for sure. And I also
then went back to the swearing them solve on the
Melvin Belli letter that talked about I cult trigger and
needing work. So when you listen to Nor talk about this,
you're going to hear her talk about colts triggers. So
(11:22):
basically the bottom line is she believes that mk ultra
is what made these colts. Yeah, the Manson fan it
makes absolute sense if this is what they were testing.
That and what she found in documents that discuss mk
ultra and what they were capable of doing with this
is much more than the government would like us to believe.
(11:44):
I mean, they were completely successful on so many levels
of brainwashing of getting somebody to do something they wouldn't
ordinarily do, even against their morals and their virtues and
their ethics. You know, yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Was it's infuriating their personalities within that person.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
One percent. Like, I was completely blown away that they
kept saying it was successful. Actually, Sidney Gottlieb, it was
successful over and over again. This blew me away. Yeah,
all right, so that puts us back to Oh, I
do have an update actually in the William in the
Peter Wilson case, the wrongful conviction. I received a new
(12:23):
document that I just rendered an opinion on from his case.
And this is just this blew me away, but it
is the actual confession from from William Coleman stating that
he had sex the night that Hawk Chuw Kim was killed.
And this actually went missing. It was removed from the file.
(12:43):
So we can actually see down here where it says
removed from the file thirty first to March. This is
the police officer Michael Yours handwriting where he removed this
from the police file because it literally exculps Peter Wilson
because he was in San Francisco in the hospital having
his hand fixed when when Coleman actually had sex with
(13:05):
Hawk Jew Kim. Now, I'm pretty sure that in this
confection it's only half true. He probably raped her and
killed her, which is why she ended up dead. But
he's admitting to having consensual sex with her. Uh and
and I think that was probably to explain a way
they are going to find his semen in his in
his fluids on her. Absolutely, just my jaw hit the
(13:30):
floor when I saw this. You guys, this is absolutely insane.
This man needs to be free, and I need to
find an attorney who can help him with his rid
of habeas corpus. Yeah, all right, from my message.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
There are I'm not dependent criminals, but as my husband
always has its criminals.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
But.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
He doesn't know what we know that right, and it's
harder to see explaining it just in five seconds to someone.
So yeah, I mean, but like there literally is so
many in person. I believe that we're probably in k
ultra in some type of way into confessing to something
that they didn't do well.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And you have to imagine that that program took place,
like nor said, in prisons, in mental hospitals, in universities
San Francisco, New York, that there was a socialite aspect
of it too, where socialites were using it on their
male counterparts. So it runs.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
There's a portion of it as well that that I
can verify from from multiple sources that that they still
use in investigative interrogation purposes.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Of course, if they if we think that this is
ended simply because you know, mk ulture was shut down
and Helms had all the you know, files destroyed, they
just pick it up, call it another thing and continue on.
I mean, I think it started as what paper Clip,
then Artichoke, then Bluebird, and then mk ultra turned into
Midnight Climax, like it just keeps evolving into a new
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program and you know, hidden a little bit better the
next time. Ah, disgusting. Anyways, I do have some information
that I pulled from my message board way back in
twenty twelve when I was putting this presentation together, and
it was information that Terry Batcher had actually pulled out
(15:32):
or extracted from what he could in the files because
he was well read on the John Benny Ramsey case.
So I thought it would be prudent to kind of
lay out what he believed to be the evidence before
we get into all of the pictures. So it says
one must read and double check things in the JBR
case to be properly informed. There's a lot of info
on the net, but some of it is just playing
(15:53):
wrong and doesn't compare with the known evidence. This list
is a work in progress by Terry Batcher. He says,
oddit evidence in the Ramsey case pineapple found in the
victims gi tracked bowl of fresh cut pineapple with large
spoon discovered later on. Ramseys had no reason to deny
that they fed that to her. Where if it were true? Yeah, again,
(16:14):
that's not something I would see that they would even
think to themselves, they'd have to have denied doing so
why did they We didn't give that to her? Why
is that there on the counter?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Then?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Who fed it to her? It was found in her system.
There was a water glass with a tea bag in it,
and a Kleenex box found next to the bull of pineapple.
Ramsey said they knew nothing about it and again had
no reason to lie about that. Black, I guess. And
when I say some of these things, you're probably chomping
at the bit to say that this is where your
(16:45):
theory of somebody was sexually abusing her, that it had
gone wrong. So that person may have been in their
house and the Ramseys may have been very well aware
of it, right, lindsay, Okay, so as well, and then
they would have had a reason I suppose then to
lie about the knowledge of those items because they very
(17:07):
well knew who was eating or feeding. Yeah, yeah, they
said that. He says the black duct tape found on
the victim was never sourced, there was no role of
it found in the house, and the duct tape had
been recently manufactured, so it was a newer duct tape.
Good morning, Nolan, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Good morning. Everybody had technical difficulties to overcome them.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Finally I had some this morning too, So no harm,
no foul, haha. He went back and edited to add,
in fact, it was a black gaffer's tape, which is
a specialized tape that is more narrow than two inch
duct tape. I also suspect that it was meant to
serve as a mimic of the black Doahla's victims wounds.
I'm not sure what he means by that, because I
(17:53):
don't know where this tape was found on her. I
don't know if it was on her face, on her hands.
I just I don't know.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
I think the size of it makes it easier to
use to bind someone. The duct tape was thicker, and
it's not really for that.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Purpose, right, especially small little hands. And again I don't
know I mean when he's saying, mimic her wounds, black doll,
you was cut from cheek to cheek, So is he
indicating that this tape was on her mouth. She was
cut in the abdomen, she was cut in the breast,
she was bisected.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
All of this I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't either. He says. The tip of
the paint brush used to break victim's himen and part
of the garrett was never found. Which, yes, there was
one third of the brush that was never found. Sharpie
used to write the ransom note was of a much
older manufactured date than other markers found in the home.
Several pages on the tablet used to construct the ransom
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note and practice note were never found. Beaver hairs were
found on the victim. Brown cotton glove fibers were found
on the victim. Brown people bag type fibers found on
victim's bed, perhaps from a cardboard tube used to carry
the ransom note. I think these are just theories on
his part. Some of it evidence. Victim was strangled twice.
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Second event was meant to kill her, and the blow
to the head came when the victim was already dead,
So that really kind of excludes Burke from having been
the one who hit her out of rage because she
was playing with his toy. You know, all these people
have these theories about Burke being the culprit here, But
if the damage to her skull didn't occurrence laughter she
was strangled, we know it wasn't Burke. Again, he couldn't
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have created the Garrett and it would be more likely
if she had suffered the head injury first then was strangled,
that it could have been a possibility that the strangulation
was a cover up for the head injury, but that's
evidently not what the autopsy is saying.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
He's such a strange kid though, these very curious.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Figure Oh well, I have an explanation for that, go ahead,
because I think that he is weird like that because
at the same time, John Beney was well before John Beney,
I think that he was being sexually abused, not necessarily
by the parents, but by others that and they knew
(20:14):
about it. And so when he got and once Burke
got older and John Benney got to the age where
they like whatever, you know, then then they started doing
it to her. And he was abandoned at that point
and he was no longer being used, no longer being abused,
but he had.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Already went through all that trauma.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
So this would.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Actually also.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Give you that result of him feeling abandoned all the time,
like he has said, and that and that people have
wrote about him, how he was kind of like outcasted
by when John Benney was the main figure in the
family and everybody was like adoring over her, but then
he was over here sitting by hisself, like just that
(21:00):
to use as an analogy. So I think that that
would make him feel that way, make him weird and
act these different ways of because the trauma that he
had experienced, not only you know, before John Beney or
during John Benet when she up until she was six.
But I think that he was slowly being you know,
(21:23):
cut off being abused and no longer getting that attention,
even though as we know, even though it's negative attention,
but with a child, they don't understand at that age
that you know, if they're not getting attention at all,
any attention is going to satisfy their needs as a child, right.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
But I would think that his abandonment would also come
in the lieu of the fact that the parents were
under such strict or such scrutiny, you know, dealing with
this legally. You know, all of the news reports, all
the interviews all. I mean, he probably and coming from
that type of a lifestyle. I don't know if they
have to nanny, you know, it sounded to me like
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Patsy was pretty much home right.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
They had they had a housekeeper.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
A housekeeper is different than a nanny. So I imagine
that with you know, some people that you know, they're
so rich and they're so gone all the time that
they literally have somebody else playing parent. It didn't appear
that way to me based on you know, everything that
we've seen throughout you know, the news and so forth.
So his abandonment issues could be legitimately from the fact
that his sister died and his parents went through what
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they went through, and of course then mom dies. You know,
I want to say, well if he was wa yeah, yeah,
there's a whole lot going on.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
There was some jealousy though too.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
There well, there, there there is. I mean, so sibil
sibling rivalry is a real thing, right, I mean.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I had I had a small a small brother, and
he when I would go on the out when I
was old enough to go spend the night with my
friends on the weekend, or go do something with friends
as a girl. You know, I feel like girls are
more social in a way rather than boys at that age.
And so and he was being him being almost four
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years younger than me, I was able to do things
that he wasn't able to go off and do, and
so he would definitely get jealous of and he would
always he would tell my mom, it's not fair that.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
She's going off and doing things every weekend. I don't
get to tell anything. I'm just sitting here, you know,
Like he would complain.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
And then it got to a point where my mom
had to be like, all right, you're not going anywhere
this weekend because that's not fair to your brother, you know.
And that would I mean, obviously that would make me mad.
But I mean, yeah, I get it now looking back
at it so well.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And I mean John Benaoud received a lot, a lot
of attention obviously as a beauty star, you know, a
beauty pageant, little miss beauty queen. So she's receiving you know,
all types of attention and gifts and awards. And I
really don't know what Burke was up to But I
would assume they would have had him in some type
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of sport or something that he could be doing that
they didn't just cater to John Beney because she was beautiful, right, Yeah.
So he goes on to say the stun gun marks
on victim's neck and leg. Former detective Steve Thomas called
the stun gun evidence make believe. Yet many experts confirm
that nothing else explains the duplicate marks and spacing, and
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it is an exact fit to the airtaser brand. Edited
to add this evidence may may tie into evidence that
a second assailant may have been involved in this vicious murder.
A copy of mind Hunter by John Douglas was found
in Ramsey's home. Ramsey said they knew nothing about it
and again had no reason to lie about it. So, okay,
(24:47):
that's odd. A copy of a book in Danish was
found in the home, but Ramsey said they knew nothing
about it and had no reason to lie. He mentions
that is JT sending a message with this. I tend
to think so, but again I don't know what message
he means by you know, a book of Danish. Victim
(25:07):
was wrapped in a blanket but her legs and feet
weren't covered. Victim's arms were both poised. I think he
meant to say posed upwards, same as e short and
the skeleton card and the spooky picture of Jack. Brown
paper bag with rope in it found in the guest bedroom,
same room overlooked the garage and rear entrance to garage.
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Edited to add I've recently discovered the significance of the
brown paper bag mentioned on the ransom note, along with
the cowgirl photo shoot that was that has rope at
the feet of the victim, and the fact that a
new pair of cowboy boots, along with a small suitcase
with men's clothes in it, was found at their summer home.
This is clear evidence of premeditation and stocking. Photo of
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the bed in the guest room shows that the dust
ruffle was out of place in an otherwise tidy room,
perhaps caused by a search for the victim. The public
domain doesn't have detail on this. There's a red outline
type heart shaped figure drawn on the life lines of
the victim's hand. JT had a small red heart tattoo
on his arm. I know this one was big for Terry.
(26:11):
He used to you know, mention that Jack had this
the red heart tattoo and this red heart on John
Benney's hand, was leading him to believe that Jack committed
this crime. But again, I think that Jack was a
piece of this crime, not the whole crime. Barbie doll
outfit was found near victim may have simply stuck to
the blanket that she was wrapped in. Boulder PD claimed
(26:35):
voices heard at the end of the nine to eleven
nine to one to one tape, but the noise level
was far too high for this to be a valid claim.
Fleet White was said to have called nine one one
on the twenty third police arrived. His version of this
event is not in the public domain. So why would
fleet White call the police on the twenty third, that's
(26:55):
two days before the murder. I'm not sure where he
was going with that. Are you aware of any of that, Lindsey?
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I think that I think that he knew of something.
I don't know what he knew, but he definitely knew
more than he was saying. Because you know, as you
as you you may know, he had pretty much like
disassociated himself with John and all them after a while,
and they no longer communicated with each other.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Huh, oh, you mean after after the murder. Yeah, he
disassociated himself, gotcha, he says. He says upon arrival on
the morning of the crime, fleet White looked in the
cellar room but claimed it was too dark in there.
He had been in the same windowless room on previous occasions.
(27:45):
Fleet White and his wife were the only friends of
the Ramseys to point suspicion at the Ramseys, and did
so repeatedly. I also found that odd. I mean, how
does your friend point you out? I mean, I don't
know that.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
He's the one that went in the basement with uh,
with John to find.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
John Bennet ultimately finding Ye. Yes, but he claimed he
had been there and looked in and it was too dark,
which obviously was not true. Edited to add the stuffed
toy jack rabbit found at the victim's grave is the
killer's calling card. The rope evidence is strongly linked to
the nineteen seventy eight death scene of Chris Bush as
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he relates to the occ cases. The screaming boy drawing
found taped to his wall has several Zodiac killer markings
on it. On the desk was a VW. Rabbit brochure
in his otherwise tidy closet was a pile of rope
by a rope.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
You remember back when we were talking about Bush that
murder that they found that rope. I remember me telling
you about that rope because I found that to be
looking like the same rope too.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Right, I wonder if that well, and you know we've
got the birope by Zodiac, so it does play into it.
By rope was an unfulfilled Zodiac killer threat O C. C. K.
Victim Jill Robinson's death was exactly twenty years to the
date earlier to the to the murder of John Bennet
and poetic anagram of their ages, date of birth and
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date of deaths is uncanny.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Well, we know that.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
I think that the Zodiac used a lot of jumatria
and uh in in in numerology.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
So say that again, you.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Can lead things easily into and be able to uh
kind of connect things a lot of different things, like
in general with with numerology.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
And he knew that.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
He knew that, and that it's and I use symbolism
uh in their cults and in their in in the
even in in the government.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
So and he knew that.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, Well, and we know that you know, decoding and
and these anniversary dates and these you know, the timings
of the killings all, you know, either led back to
some type of that's why they, you know, look at
this like it's a zodiac and constellations and based on
where the sun is or what have you, which is
another one of those theories that they've thrown out there
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to confuse us, kind of like the Colt issues. They
want to talk about the Colts, But I think Nor
was probably the first person I seen who coesively connected
everything from Jonestown and Manson to all of this, these
other entities that we've talked about that we that I
feel are part of what the zodiac is really all about.
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Some additional evidence that and some of this might be repetitive,
but some of it is not. So A summary of
the basic autopsy facts regarding John Binney's torture and murder
by Terry Batcher. She suffered two strangulation events via a
noose made from flat white bards similar to early military
parachute type of bard and a broken portion Your background
(30:58):
noise is really loud right now, girls, Okay? Cool? Which
U see military parachute type of cord and a broken
portion of a paintbrush handle which had a rather sophisticated
wrapping of the cord around the handle, which acted as
a knot. She left marks from her fingernails on her
neck as she clawed at the noose, which meant that
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while she was being strangled, she was still currently alive
at that point in time. Yes, she probably let out
a scream that funneled out of the front of the house.
It wasn't realized until her autopsy that she had been
hit very hard on the back of the head, so
hard and probably with a big, long cop shop type
of maglight that it drove a two y three centimeter
portion of bone inward and cracked her skull all the
(31:43):
way around and over the top of her eye socket.
Is it right, Yeah, gnar, that's absolutely gnarly.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
So.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
She says she had less than a teaspoon of blood
in her cranium, which is only part of the evidence
that demonstrates that the primary cause of death was via
the noose aka the garrett. This list of facts and
the stun gun marks found on her face and leg,
which is a fact which was established by the late
detective Louce Smith, proves that she was tortured while alive,
and remains further destroyed and defiled after she was dead.
(32:15):
Shards of the paintbrush handle were found in her vagina,
along with other crime scene evidence. The portion of the
handle used on her vagina went missing. All of the
above facts, coupled with the murder note evidence makes it
clear that her murder was no accident, nor did it
stem from an accident. So that information, once again I think,
(32:36):
esculpts Burke from being the suspect. Hands down. That had
to be done by an adult.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think that that does. But I don't
believe a lot of the things that Lousmith believed. As
far as this the stun gun, I think that that
was maybe possibly used to cover after the fact. It
was it used to control her.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I would think that the bruising that came from it,
if it was done after the fact, wouldn't have happened, right,
Just like he said that the the teaspoon of what
did he say there was? Yeah, a teaspoon of blood
was found in her cranium from that actual so that
meant that blood was not pumping at that point in time.
(33:25):
I think that you would have had that same issue
if you had stun gun to her after the fact
versus before she died.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
When I'm not saying but after she died, I'm saying
after she was starting to they were starting to molest her.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That they used the sun gun to control her.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Yeah, like kind of not not control her, but like
you know how these people are, They're they're sick that
it just to like mess with her to get her
to make an effect that would excite them.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. Even thinking about that, well, that
also brings me to one of your emails that I
received from you back on January fourth, and it says, oh,
and to add to the previous email, John Benet's grandfather,
John Ramsey's father named James Dudley j Raim Ramsey was
the one who helped fund, build and construct the airstrip
(34:21):
runway for private planes to land on North Fox Island,
which is the pedophile island that was shut down. You said,
how freaking insane if this shit isn't a Satanic power
kill group network, people working together with each other under
the CIA and with the help of mk Ultra program
as well to create these serial killers along the way,
adding to their kill groups. The more you dig, the deeper,
(34:44):
the whole gets and I swear it never ends ever.
So yeah, let's see.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Yeah, when you don't go for sleep for like several years,
two hours a day and you're so deep in research
and you literally see it all in by real time,
it's like, well, how can anyone not see this? But
I mean, I get one because of so many years
(35:12):
of them doing it.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
But it's like, I mean, that's a wrap up.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I'm at the beginning of this. Nolan I discussed a
podcast that Lindsay had sent over to me, and her
name is nor Jasmine. First name is noo R. She
did about a forty to fifty minute podcast where she
literally shows all the connectivity of everything that we talk
about very succinctly with valid research and paperwork from the
(35:41):
mk Ultra program that shows how the possibility of Jonestown
and Manson and all of these being CIA created cults
through the mk Ultra program. It was absolutely phenomenal. I'm
gonna see it.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Black Manson and Jim Jones both started out in.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
San Francisco, right we know, mk Ultra was operated in
San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
And yeah, and at a particular health care facility that
Manson was told by his parole officer to go visit
and that's hee'd Ashbury Free Clinic. Well, you know what
was interesting is that she kept calling the the doctor
that was running this mister Jolly, which I thought was yeah,
(36:29):
Jolly West and this mind control a little bit right like.
But he was affiliated with that particular health care facility,
and we know that mk Ulture was employed at mental
health clinics and hospitals, prison at the clinic. Yeah, yeah,
(36:51):
he was definitely connected. So she she really kind of
steers away from saying it is what it is, but
she just throws out the facts so that you can
form your own opinion. And really through her research, she's
come to the same conclusion that I have just going
through these letters in these communications from these serial killings,
which is absolutely insane to me. Yeah, all right, so
(37:13):
now we have some pictures. Once again, I think that
they're always cramming in your face the truth, but they
do it in such a subtle way that we accept
little bits of it and sometimes don't even recognize it.
So I was given a True Crime Unsolved Mysteries magazine
for my birthday one year because the individual knew that
I studied and researched on the Zodiac Killer, and so
(37:36):
I found it interesting to see and note that we
had John Bna Ramsay right next to the Zodiac Killer's picture.
We also have Bob Crane, who I have shown and supported,
and I think even Harriet has stated that this murder
was part of his murder was also something that was
part of this group. So again we have the all
(37:59):
these people being employed on this true Crime Unsolved Mysteries
magazine that's being sold. I want to say this thing
was like, how much was this fifteen ninety nine Canadian
and thirteen ninety nine US, so fourteen dollars a pop.
Who knows how many they sold, but I'm sure it
flew off the shelves anyways, right, I probably wouldn't have
(38:22):
because that meant that I was, you know, supporting them,
but it was nice for my friend who have gotten
it for me. Here we have some pictures, and we're
going to see some of the evidence and pictures of
John Benny Ramsey as we go through this. And I
did pull a lot of this was pulled from the
docuseries that I watched, So let's see here, This says
(38:43):
Boulder City spokesperson Leslie Aholm. Later that day, John Ramsey,
a former Navy officer, piloted about a dozen relatives on
his private jet to Georgia, where the family had lived
before moving to Colorado in nineteen ninety one. So now
we have support that John is also a pilot, which
kind of tracks with Lindsay telling us that his dad
(39:05):
built runways. That kind of like led me though to
the point where I know that the maid stated that
she had never seen this parachute cord that was used
in the garrett and strangulation of John Benny Ramsey. But
it wouldn't be out of character for parachute cord to
be around, especially if John was a pilot, I would
(39:25):
assume that he had parachutes, right Yep. Now, maybe not
in the house, but evidently it was trips too on
boats and stuff, right. But I'm just I was just
addressing that the parachute cord that Terry Batcher had indicated
was not from the home. It could have been from
(39:48):
the plane, could have been something that the Ramseys had
in possession or downstairs in the basement for whatever reason
that the maid was just unaware of. I don't know.
I'm just stating if he was a pilot. There's chances
there are parachutes involved.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
And then we got the Star Magazine, which I thought
is interesting. So I saw something posted not too long
ago that discussed, you know, the fake news that we
used to get from things like the Inquirer or Star Magazine.
And we know that the Zodiac wrote to the Star
Magazine at one point. So yes, there is some some
(40:26):
truth I think in these while there's also these outlandish
statements making us or causing us to question what whether
or not we can believe what we're reading. And sometimes
I feel like they had the first day I right,
I mean, didn't they create photos that weren't real and
then post them? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:45):
I have this technology way, I mean decades probably before
we release it to.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Us, right right, right, right, yeah, So people can understand
now that this is where AI began, right with these tabloids.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Aside, recently I watched the movie Gypsy about Gypsy rose Lee,
the famous back in the day famously, I started out
as vaudeville company and Gypsy rose Lee wasn't even that
far that the little sister was the star of the
vaudeville act.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
And she looked just like Jamminet Ramsey.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
And how old is that curly hair cut?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
And the movie is called Gypsy with Natalie Wood.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Okay, but how old.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Is the guy? Oh it's from the sixties.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Oh yes, that little girl.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yes, that is another rabbit about that girl.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yes, so she was in the movie and then ended
up dead.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
She developed over the years.
Speaker 6 (41:54):
But I'm just saying, John Maine Ramsey looks just like
that character in the movie when she was younger, she
gets older, they both like Natalie Wood is played by
a well, she plays a boy in one of the acts,
because the character that was Natalie would same character was
was younger, but then she gets older into her teens.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Then Natalie Wood takes over the role.
Speaker 6 (42:15):
So this several different people, but the original when they
first started the movie, when the act was shown, it
was this little girl is the star and doing things
just like John ban Any Ramsey did. It was like
her look almost seems like it was patterned after that
little girl.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Oh, I see what you're saying. Somebody had commented, and
I know that you missed this at the beginning, but
they commented that John Benne Ramsey wasn't dead. She was
sold to Hollywood and she's now Katie Perry. Oh right,
I asked him. I asked them if they believed in
five G as well, and they retorted back, yes they do.
(42:54):
It's killing us. I went, I nailed that one I knew.
I do believe that there are people, Don't get me wrong.
I believe there are people who have sensitivity to electrical
apparatuses and technology and things like that. Like that's very
proven that some people's bodies can't stand you know, the
(43:16):
megahertz or the radio waves or whatever it is that's
you know, happening with microwaves in technology. But to the
extent that it's killing all of us, I think that
would really be a detriment to the cell phone companies
to kill off all of their their customers.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
With the tobacco companies, well.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
But that's I think that's slightly different because you're not
going to kill an entire population, whereas five G is everywhere,
you literally would kill an entire population. Like that's and
again with tobacco, obviously it's whether or not your body
suspect susceptible obviously to cancerous type things. Some people smoke
(43:58):
all their lives and never have answer.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
And I know, I know why that is because because
just like you said, not only that, but most people
are not gonna get canced almost I would say four
out of five people are not gonna get cancer from
cigarettes because your body can The reason why, the reason
(44:24):
why we have these people that say that they're addicted,
well they can be in a way that your body
is not producing enough tobacco because now many people know this,
but our bodies actually produce a hormone of tobacco naturally.
So just to say, if you're vitamin deficient of like
vitamin D or something, you're gonna go take vitamin D vitamins. Well,
(44:48):
the same thing with tobacco. But you don't see these
doctors like saying that the tobacco is a problem because
your body doesn't make enough tobacco for this particular uh
mchanical mechanism to fight off this or that, because they
don't think that it it matters obviously, and it would
defeat the purpose of the whole cigarette vacuum industry.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
So it makes sense.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Like I didn't know that either until when I figured
that out, I was like, well, that would make sense
why people are addicted in quotations, because maybe they're they're
that particular person's body is not producing an adequate amount
of tobacco and they crave it.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Yes, So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
If your body is creating that, that's not what's giving
them cancer.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
It's what else they put in them, putting.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yea or add to it, I was gonna say. And
everybody's individual, and no two people react the same to anything.
What might cause cancer in one person will not cause
cancer in another person. So back to John Bennet real quick.
We have John, but at the top of the Star magazine,
John and a Dad link to kitty porn's scandal. Truth
or fiction, right, We're getting it from a tabloid. We're
(45:57):
not supposed to believe because it's just fantastical. But we
have these claims that are being made to being linked
to a kiddie porn scandal. I did pull out some
handwriting from the images. I believe that this one was
actually Patsy Ramsey's handwriting. What I'm concerned about is I
(46:19):
think I'm fairly sure that they put in front of
her and asked her to write this way. And some
people when you do that. So when I ask a
client or a suspect to give me samples of handwriting.
I do not give them the image or the note
that is involved. I break these words down in different ways.
(46:40):
I make different sentences using the same words, so that
they're not so consciously thinking of the actual note itself
that they're being accused of writing, that they're now writing
more naturally. In comparison to this looks almost as if
it was sat right in front of her and she
just attempted to mimic it. I mean, she doesn't. It
doesn't spell business business with two s's in the middle,
(47:02):
So how did she come up with that unless she
was staring at the actual ransom note, it doesn't make
any sense. I wouldn't ask somebody to spell the word
wrong if that's not how they spell the word right,
I mean, spell it the way you normally spell it,
because that is a ruse. Up there another one. It
(47:23):
looked to me as though this was being purported as
actual evidence. I'm not sure if it is. I do
find several differences between this writing and the writing that
we have been shown on the Internet, which tells me
that either the writing we're seen on the internet has
been altered or this is not truly the note that
is being purported as evidence and in the property of
(47:46):
the police department. Well, we're down no. And I've said
on many occasions that it looks as though they've altered
and changed the looks of the ZODEAC handwriting for the
purpose of the Internet. And we know that the FOYA
files with the FDI it is intentionally distorted. So if
(48:08):
anybody even goes into those files, you're not pulling an
actual legitimate note. It's been altered in such a way
that it's been squished down and oddly shaped, not even
something that a scan would have done. So this wasn't
something that happened through the scanning process. They had to
manipulate it after they scanned it in to make it
look like that.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
Or scan it fifteen times.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
It scanned the same the scan page that they print,
scan it several times.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
But it's not going to cause the distortion and the
alterations that you see. But it's trying. I've shown I've
shown the images of the FOYA files next to Internet
letters and you can see the distinct differences in them,
and they're the distortion had to be manipulated on purpose
after the scan was done. Period. No amount of scanning
(48:59):
is going to call. So that's pretty much. I think
we're down to our last minute here. I want to
thank everybody again for being here. Go tech, check out
nor Jasmine, like I said, n as a Nancy R
Jasmine and see what she has to say in her
forty fifty minute little stint there. It is absolutely shocking
(49:20):
and interesting to see aligned so well with what we're
talking about. Thank you guys for being here. Yeah. Yeah,
So everybody, have a wonderful weekend, and we'll see you
next Friday.
Speaker 5 (49:33):
Yes, and man, I can tell you about I'll tell
y'all next time about the book I've read on one
of the detectives that wrote it.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Okay about the Yeah, because we're still going through this,
we'll hit some more pictures and some more evidence, and
then we'll talk about John Carr, John Mark Cars. We'll
be in it for a minute, ah in it to
wait itIt. Guys, have a great weekend. Bye bye.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
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