July 11, 2025 • 50 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
Good Morning, True Seekers and True crime Junkies, Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
Welcome to the show today. Nolan del Campo, Good morning, everybody,
Good morning, and Harriet Souchet, good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
All right.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I got at least one answer to the Peter Wilson case.
I have about four letters from him. I have not
matched up the responses to the questions that I've asked.
It has been a very busy week. He did indicate, though,
and I did pick up on the motive now, so
every time I thought he was referring to four hundred
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dollars that was taken from the backpack, I thought, well,
that might be a decent amount of money in nineteen
ninety six, though it didn't seem like a lot for
somebody to chance their career on. He actually stated in
this one of his responses that he had four hundred
thousand dollars in that backpack. Now we can talk about motive,
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because we couldn't really quite understand why this police officer,
inside of a single day would want to go and
frame him so quickly. Put it to rest, get him incarcerated,
take him off the streets. He's now a murder. Nobody's
going to listen or believe a word he says. So. Yes,
evidently there was four hundred dollars in the front pocket
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of this backpack, but there was four hundred thousand dollars
on the inside of this backpack.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
How did you get so much money?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
That's the one question I did not glean from as
much as I attempted to read out of the responses
that he had given. So I'm I'm going to again
match up the responses to my questions and then re
send out a letter with a specific request. I did
ask how he came up with the three hundred thousand. Again,
I did not get an answer to that, at least
I don't believe I did. Again, I was quickly reading
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through it. He sent me four different responses at four
different times. But when I saw the four hundred k,
I thought I must have misunderstood this from his previous
responses that it was four hundred dollars that was missing
from the backpack. Four hundred thousand now all makes sense.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
So is he in Palo Alto.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
In Palo Alto, he's a thirty one year old student
at Stanford University. He works for hospitals. At this point,
I again do not know how he has this type
of money at this age. It could be an inheritance,
it could be family money. I have no clue right now.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
But also didn't he loan the deceased a bunch of
money too.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Three hundred thousand on the first of March. So now
on the thirty thirtieth of March or thirty first of March,
he has four hundred thousand in his backpack. So I
don't know what he was up to, what he was doing.
I don't want to make any conjectures in regards to it,
But now the motive made sense. I kep wondering this
entire time, what would cause officer or to want to
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hem him up so quickly as the murderer and to
incartrate and put him away for a crime he didn't commit.
And now this would be a valid motive. We know
that your officer, your did an illegal search and seizure
on his backpack on March thirty first, via the missing
and maybe now it's him that removed those missing culpable
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piece exculpable pieces of evidence which are the alibis for
mister Wilson from his backpack. He clearly removed them on
the thirty first, before the search warrant was issued. He
copied them, put them in the police file, and then
subsequently those pieces of evidence that would have exculpted mister
Wilson were removed from the police file with an inserted
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page indicating that it had been removed. And I do
have somebody working on getting me samples of the players
of this game they're handwriting, so I can make a
determination as to who it was that signed off that
they removed that evidence from the police file with your
did the search not until April first, So that's the
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kind of the kicker there. The search warrant. You got
to remember, the thirty first is a Sunday. Nobody's giving
nobody's putting out search warrants on this day right the
judges and in chambers until Monday, so April first, he
issues the search warrant which includes the backpack and the
home of Kim. So we see Officer I believe it
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was Officer Brooks that completed that search the susposedly the
first search of the backpack on April first, in which
case only four hundred dollars where it said it said
small change or something like that in the actual evidence
report where they had searched the backpack and it indicated
there was a small amount of money. And that's what
I thought had been taken this entire time, was that
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small four hundred dollars. So but we see no mention
of the fact that this search had actually taken place
and things had been taken from the backpack on the
thirty first by Officer Your, until we found out that
the alibi evidence marked mister your stating that it was
removed from the backpack on three point thirty one ninety six,
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previous to the actual search warrant. So I now at
this point, this is a fantastic motive for Officer Yore
to have have caused mister Wilson to be the suspect,
and and basically frame him for this particular murder by
applying his blood to the crime scene.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Do we know how big the backpack is because it
seems almost impossible, even if they're all hundred dollars bills
to fit four hundred thousand dollars in one backpack.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Well, three hundred thousand was witnessed by by two individuals
in regards to the payment that was given to miss
Kim on three to one, so we know three that was, well,
that was in the backpack and witnessed by one of
the friends that took Peter Wilson to the bank to
obtain the money from the security box. So we know
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that he said he saw the bundles, but he did
not actually see the cash itself. So I'm assuming what
he was looking at was probably bundles inside either envelopes
or something, and the backpack was big enough to hold
that three hundred thousand. Now my bigger question, yeah, which
is going to be a follow up question, was did
this backpack accompany him to San Francisco? Was he walking
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around with four hundred thousand dollars or did he go
to four hundred thousand or go to San Francisco to
pick up this four hundred thousand, and now the law
money laundering aspect of things that's kind of coming into play.
And regardless of what kind of illegalities mister Wilson was
committing at this time, if he was, and I'm not
saying he was, but if he was, it doesn't make
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him a murderer. So a lot of times, like I'm saying,
these suspects and these cases here that we're looking at
in this PowerPoint presentation, is that a lot of the
suspects were either pedophiles or they are robbers. There are
all these things that don't constitute them actually being convicted
of murder because they're not murderers. So I'm hoping that
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we will get those answers, and I will follow up
on the responses that he gave me. Hopefully next week
I'll have answers to some of the questions I've asked
and gotten out another letter to him for him to
explicitly explain how this man has seven hundred thousand dollars
inside of a thirty day period.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
That's crazy. Yeah, especially in the mid nineties, it's a
lot of money.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, that's a lot a lot of money. Yes, I
hear you, And he's back and forth between Palau Alto
and San Francisco, and we know that that's where the
money is in California one of the places anyways, right.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
That the era Silicon Bellys is blooming, he started that
the money was.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Flowing, and maybe he invested. I mean, there's a lot
of ways he could have had this money, just because
I've never had an't.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And he's also keeping it in security boxes instead of
in the actual bank itself where it could accumulate interest.
So there's questions as to why you know, you would
put it into a box in a bank, but not
in a bank to be held unless he feared that
banks would have issues such as when you know, the
market crashes and all of a sudden everyone notifying the rrs. Well,
(09:23):
and then that brings us back to illegalities. Why don't
you want the I r S to know you have
this money? Either way, that that is now them that
we have been looking for. We've been questioning this entire
time why Officer your would want to have him convicted
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as a as a criminal for murder, and now the
evidence is kind of lining up and showing us what
is going on. And if mister if officer, You're removed
the exculpable evidence like his alibi evidence from the backpack
on the thirty first, Then what else did he removed
on the thirty first before the actual legal search and
seizure was done on April first with the officer Brooks.
(10:06):
So I'm going to leave it at that, and we're
going to move right back into the zodiac. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Did the taxi driver testify. He did, Rile he did,
he did, and he did all those testimony. He backed
up Wilson right completely.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
He stated when he got there to pick Wilson up,
there was a vehicle in the driveway under a car cover,
which everyone else has already acknowledged, including Coleleman, that she
did not have a car cover and that her BMW
was gone. That well, the the cab driver did not
see a BMW in the driveway. Mister Wilson testified that
the BMW was gone, but an alternate car was under
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a car cover in the driveway. The taxi cab driver
testified to the fact that yes, there was a car
under a car cover, and then mister Coleman, when he
got home at eight thirty at night, indicated that the
BMW was in the driveway. There was not a vehicle
in the driveway with a car cover on it. And
then miss Kim did not own a car cover, and
you could tell by the condition of the paint on
her car. And then the Tap taxi cab driver also
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testified to the fact that he didn't believe that he
was the one responsible for slamming mister Wilson's hand in
the car door, but it did happen. He made an
incident report. He felt that mister Wilson was probably culpable
for slamming his own hand.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
In the door.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I don't know either way. It did get slammed, and
there is medical records that support that mister Wilson was
in the hospital for at least I want to say,
six or so hours in San Francisco being addressed to
the broken fingers and the porn nail off of his pinky,
all which occurred at the cow trans station in San Francisco.
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So I'm just now stating we have a motive. I
kept saying, I don't know, I don't know why this
officer would do this. I wanted to lean towards other
illegal business like money laundering and drug trafficking and him
protecting you know, those that were doing it. But now
it appears he was just on the take for himself
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and that was a lot of money. Like you said
back in the day, that would probably be enough to
steer one bad cough.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Into one last question before we move on, where was the.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Uh Well, Wilson was at home, so it would have
been in his bedroom. Wilson was at home when he
found miss Kim, So.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yes, his room is not where the crime scene.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Was correct, correct, And.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
It's a personal property within a separate room. It's not
part of the crime scene illegal search.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Correct, And that's his complaint at this point in time.
So basically it even states when he was taken to
the police department to get his blood drawn, the rape kit,
the gunshot residue done, this clothing was collected. When everything
was taken from him down at the police station, he
had asked for his phone book so that he could
make phone calls to attorneys and other people he knew,
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and he was denied access to that phone book because
it was inside the backpack and they said that was
evidence at this point in time that was in the
evidence room and that it unless he gave them permission
to search that backpack. He could not have that phone book,
and he said, nope, I will figure it out on
my own. You are not to search my backpack. And
probably because he had that four hundred thousand in there,
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I'm guessing that that's why he wouldn't allow them to search,
because otherwise you could. I mean, it's no different than
getting pulled over for a for a duy check. You
have an opportunity to blow and clear yourself.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
If there was nothing in that backpack that you didn't
want somebody to see, you would have said, searched my backpack.
There's nothing in there that's gonna, you know, cause me
to be culpable for this crime. So I think that
now we have our mo and that makes it a
little bit more solid because we were just a little
sketchy on that the whole time I was doing the
wrongful conviction upon cast. So here we go December eighth
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of nineteen eighty six. We are finally at the end
of nineteen eighty six. We have twenty nine year old
Rita May Hughes in Houston, Texas at a bus station.
She went missing. She's a white female, five foot five
inches one hundred and fifteen pounds, brown hair, and blue eyes.
Last known address was in Magnolia, Texas. Her husband drove
her to the bus station, but the relatives said she
never made it. Now, Houston is kind of that greater
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area where we know Flova was living around at this
particular point in time, and it is not beyond Jack.
But we do see pictures back that indicate that they
were in other plate well, it doesn't indicate Jack was.
This is Nora's handwriting that I'm looking at, because December
of nineteen eighty six it says Christmas in California is
at Mary's in Stockton. Uh, and we see you know,
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the kids and Mary. God, what a gorgeous girl she
is anyways, and they also had pictures which I did
not find just as of yet the first pictures we'd
seen of Denny I had written and here in the
presentation I went back to search for him. But it
is with Denny, his wife Sharon, and the kids at
Jack's house on Kirby during Christmas. So it does put
at least Nora in the family in a Sacramento area
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for Christmas and Stockton area for Christmas. But I did
not see Jack in any of the photographs, So I
really don't know where he is at at this point
in time. All right, I love you.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
How did I come up to Chiapella already? Oh man?
All right, So I had some information on this. I
thought this was coming up next week. I had actually
removed this particular murder from the podcast, from the possible
zodiac stuff. But then I got new information which I
have not entered at this point, and it's on January
of nineteen eighty seven, William and Catherine Chiapella in Chico, California.
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They were found bound, gag and stabbed multiple times and
bludgeoned on the head with a fire extinguisher. Article says,
reminiscent to the Manson murder, it's well to do prominent
members of the community. It's a home break in. Suspect
wrote on two bathroom mirrors and lipstick just the beginning.
And so that's why I initially put this in here,
because we saw the Pennsylvania murder of one of the
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Manson family members, where he wrote Jack and Jill goes
down the hill in lipstick, I believe on the mirror
in one of the bathrooms of the hotel room where
the Manson family member was found murdered. We also saw
the writings on the wall in the Keddy murder area.
Stephen Crittenden was sentenced to death for the crime, and
so this was future. So I literally had the murders
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in here, thinking it's a possible zodiac and then I
found out Stephen Crichteneden was sentenced to death for crime.
The evidence or an eyewitness putting him in the area
footprints in the home. However, he was hired by the
Chiapellos to do part time yards even though we never
actually did any work, and it is likely he was
in their home. There was blood on the shoes found
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in his apartment, but it does not state if the
blood was a match to either of the victims. Sheets
were used to bound the victims were in the same
strawberry pattern as some found in his home, so a
similar pattern. They are not saying that they're identical sheets,
but I mean, if a strawberry pattern is like out
for the massive public, especially at the lower income levels,
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it's likely it's available to a lot of people. Crichtenon
was a football player for Chico State, and this is
where I wonder how and why he would jeopardize any
possible career he might have at this point. The writings
on the mirror take a special six someone as I
put in it and in lipstick, saying it's just the beginning.
So it says Crichton and has been granted a new trial.
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And I wanted to research that, and I did. I
found an article on let's see if I can tell
the date of this, twenty thirteen, and pretty much it says.
The news that a federal judges ordered a new trial
for former Chico State student convicted in nineteen eighty nine
of the murders of a prominent Chico physician and his
wife has stirred memories of one of the most gruesome
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and racially charged cases in the city's modern history. In
January nineteen eighty seven, doctor William and Catherine Cioppella, who
were then sixty eight and sixty seven years old, respectively,
were found in their Downing Avenue home by their son, Joseph,
also physician. Both had been bound, gagged and stabbed multiple
times and bludgeoned about the head with a fire extinguisher.
There was evidence they had been tortured before being killed,
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and in the manner reminiscent of the Manson killings. The
assailant had written a message in lipstick in two bathroom mirrors,
just the beginning it read. So basically, they've stated that
a federal district court judge has ordered a retrial in
the case, basically stating that while there were some coincidences,
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it was not enough to have convicted him of these crimes.
So there was supposed to be a retrial. Looks like
I need to continue to follow up and find more
information on that if I can to see that if
he has been what's the word.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
A conspiracy no no, no, no, no no no, basically
got off.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Acquitted, to see if he was actually acquitted in the
in the yeah, subsequent trial, So.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
A conspiracy to acquit him.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, and I may have to put this right back
in because we know that the Chico area is very
close to the Keddy Cabin stuff, very close to Eureka,
mister Adams. There's a lot of things that was happening
in that area that has been associated with the Zodiac case.
January twenty fourth of nineteen eighty seven, Eric koy And
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Martinez was nine years old. I believe that he had
gone missing. I don't know that there was a body found.
I have not found a lot of information on him either.
And it did indicate that there was somebody from Martinez.
On the murder map from Sandy Betts May twenty of
nineteen eighty seven, twenty one year old Alexander legro Bala
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Castle in Woodbranch, New Caney, Texas. So we're still seeing
murders that are going on in this area. It's Conroe,
New Caney, Magnolia, all of these areas. I forty five
galvin Ston, you know, that's kind of relatively close to
the Houston area. Found in a drainage ditch in an
undeveloped section of Wood Branch off Highway fifty nine year
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New Cany, Texas bound, stabbed, shot and burned. Now that's
why I entered this one into the into the presentation,
because we know that by fire, by gun, by knife,
by rope was pretty much the zodiacs m O. And
here we're seeing all four of those ms in this
particular murder. Now we have a picture over here to
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the right of Jack and his what's that? Oh my god,
are you thinking out loud? Jack in his security uniform
in nineteen eighty seven the I forty five killings that
took place in the eighties reported a man in a
cop or a security like uniform spotted where girls had
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gone missing. So I wanted to throw that up there
to show you how official Jack actually might have looked
in his uniform, and that he could have been taken
as a police officer or as they indicated, a security
like uniform.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
This is really creepy because that's very much the type
of uniform stuff that I saw in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Laid up what I saw.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Anyways, So that's the kind of uniform material It was
on that we talked about it.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I think it was last show that.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I mean, it almost looks like he's even wearing a
badge on his hip. We see something that's kind of
gold that is reminiscent and may very well be badge.
Like I don't think that give security guards badges these days,
do they?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Where was this particular job at he was working for?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, this house actually looks like something from Flova's house.
This is the way it appears to me, is more
something of Flova's house than it is of Jack and
Norri's house. The inside pictures of Jack and Nora's house
did not appear to be the same, but it feels
reminiscent of something of his mom's house. And I want
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to say he was a security guard for Hewlett Packard's
starting it says nineteen eighty three, though we don't really
see him actively writing any reports or doing anything until
nineteen eighty four, nineteen eighty five. Actually, I want to
say it was nineteen eighty four, in which case he
stated for probation that he was a security contract security
guard for Pinkerton at Hewlett Packard.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
And then that looks, yeah, that can actually look like
a Pinkerton type because they would have a little Madge
as Pinkerton.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So it's more professional obviously than some of ours. All Right,
So on June seventh of nineteen eighty seven, we have
fourteen year old Erica and Garcia. She's at a teen
club in Houston. She's found behind a vacant building. Again,
this is a running mo in these cases with remoter
vacant buildings lots. She's strangled to death. On July thirteenth
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of nineteen eighty seven Eddie and Joanne McMillan in Kingwood neighborhood, Texas.
He's a Conico executive, so right back into gas and oil,
and she's a real estate agent. The house is situated
on a lake. They are bludgeoned to death in their
bed entry into the homes. Like we saw in several
of the of the unaccount or several of the accounted
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for murder scenes, it's ransacked. The house is ransacked, but
nothing was taken of value, so that ruled out the
mo of robbery. And it's called the ransack murder back
in California. So robbery's very rare in this killer's m
we haven't seen a lot. I know that Dennis believed
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that Jack or the Zodiac did actively take some jewelry
from victims and have it melted down in order to
make some money off of it, claiming that he had
found gold while he was up in Nevada. But we
very rarely see anything that has taken from any of
these victims of the Zodiac cases where it appears to
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be robbery or as if they're trying to deter you
from thinking that it's a random kill for any other
reason other than robbery. There was two phone calls to
the police to let them know that the McMillan's were dead,
and one of the calls came from the residents itself. Now,
this definitely sounds like a Zodiac m O. As with
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many of these cases, we did have phone calls from
the suspect to the police media. Family. August seventh of
nineteen eighty seven, Jack and Nora Mary Shicone remarry in Washo, Nevada.
So now we see them actually remarrying. I half wonder
if they didn't get a divorce simply because if they
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divorced and put everything in Mary's name while Jack was
in probation or in jail for his little act of
aggression with the assault with the deadly weapon, couldn't have
caused him to suffer punitive damages or I mean, I
don't know where the punitive damages would have been paid
right back to him if he was literally still with Nora,
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because the assault was committed on the family. October of
nineteen eighty seven, David Knobling and Robert Edward at Colonial Parkway, Virginia.
Now this one's a little bit out of the way,
but they were found shot nearby in a wildlife refuge.
Theorized that the suspect posed as an officer in order
to get them to pull over again. That's why I
put it in here, because we see Jack looking like
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that stereotypical officer in his MILI in his security guard uniform. Now,
the next communication that we're going to actually pick up
on I found at Zodiac ciphers dot com. Harriet and
I have been having some conversations in regards to this.
Now I thought it was a former FBI agent that
posed this particular website. You believe he's the current FBI agent.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
He's reportedly the cipher solver or cryptov or co department
for the FBI.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Now what so, so he's he's.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Associated according to So why has it made his bio?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Would they allow him to run a website if he
was a current agent on evidence and information in an
unsolved case? Well, Nolan, do you think that that's possible
if he's an active agent? I mean, typically speaking, Dennis
and I would get know minimal amount of information out
(27:02):
of Chris Hopkins and uh hit Meyer, but we wouldn't
necessarily be given opportunities to see evidence that's in the file.
So would this FBI agent be allowed to run a
mainstream website on the unsolved murders with evidence never before
seen by the public. If it's an open case, he
(27:25):
would have to be FBI evidence. I mean, hold on,
and I'm happy to hear, go ahead, he.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Would he would have to get special permissive permission. But
the general policy is no, they don't give out information.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And typically they don't even right and typically they don't
even appear in the media or on documentaries or anything
until after they've retired.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
He's he's been in the media as the guy who
pulled the three forty and you know, it says his
bio is that he's working, that he's the cryptographer that
for the FBI, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And it really to say, though, this is this is
a new letter we had not seen before, but it's
well we've seen I've seen before, We've talked about in
the past. It was it was put forth as though
it was a forgery or that somebody else wrote it,
even though I have substantiated that it is in fact
written by the Zodiac Killer. So basically it says October
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twenty eighth, nineteen eighty seven, the.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Letter, that Zodiac letter. Yeah, I'm allowed, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Well we're going to see the actual visual part of it.
But this is just the type written version of it,
and it says the October twenty eighth, nineteen eighty seven
letter is questionable as to whether it was authored by
the Zodiac Killer, but did anything occur on Halloween night
nineteen eighty seven that would substantiate anything the author alludes
to in the letter. On October thirty first, nineteen eighty seven,
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three days after the mailing of this correspondent, Shannon Oilson fifteen,
disappeared from Southeast Which area after she had decided to
venture out with friends on All Hollows Eve. Within hours,
she was found floating in a pond by two fishermen
in an industrial area by the now I thir five
and K ninety six in north Wichita. Shannon Olson had
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been repeatedly stabbed over forty times. Discovered with her hands
bound behind her back by her own bra It was
presumed that her body had been dumped there, having been
abducted from a secondary location. The letter and the murder
were within days of each other, with the crime occurring
on Halloween night. The killer could have used his car
to temporarily disable the young girl before whisking her away
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to the area of her murder, which may have been
the malicious intent of the perpetrator of the tamil Pious
Valley attack in Isabl Watson, oh On Isabl Watson, Shannon Olson,
in the eyes of somebody like the Zodiac killer, would
have been viewed as a kid, as she was only
fifteen years old. She was bound and brutally stabbed in
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what can only be described as a frenzied attack, consisting
of over forty knife wounds. There are loose similarities to
the attacks at Lake Barriesa, the Hood Garcia murders, and
the Domingus Edward slains, all discovered near water. October thirty first,
nineteen eighty seven, was also a Saturday, in alignment with
the Zodiac's four confirmed attacks at Lake Herman Road, Blue
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Rock Springs Park, Lake Barriessa, and Presidio Heights, which all
took place on Friday or Saturday. So basically, he's got
the typewritten version over here. They are editor this is
now okay. I hate it when people type things unlike
the actual letter, because I think that it's very important
that the letter be read at verbatim, because it tells
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us more the mindset, the linguistics, and what we're matching
up to the Zodiac. So I'm just going to kind
of fast forward. We'll read the letter once I get
to the actual letter. So Halloween nineteen eighty seven murder,
San Rafel, California authority said Tuesday that an attack on
a legal secretary twelve days ago in tamil Pius Valley
might have been the work of the Zodiac killer. I
think it's a good chance it was him. Napa County
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Sheriff's Captain Ken Narlo said Miss Isabel Watson, thirty three,
was walking on Pine Hill Road near her home on
April seventh when she was knocked to the ground by
a car. So this is fitting with the letter.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
She said.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
The driver got out, told her he was sorry, and
offered to drive her home. She said, she refused, and
he became angry. Sounds like the Zodiac or at least
another one of those cases. The assailant stabbed her and
she was and she screamed. The man fled and Miss
Watson was taken to Marin General Hospital for treatment. Nnalo said,
I've been chasing the SOB for two and a half
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years now, and Miss Watson's description seems to fit him
to a t. The Zodiac Killer has claimed in cryptic
notes to police and newspapers that he has taken seventeen lives. Now,
I love that we're in nineteen eighty seven on this letter,
and this man is reporting the fact that seventeen. We've
seen a letter that reported one hundred in nineteen eighty six,
shortly before these communications, but he has not been heard
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from for about a year.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Also in a Marine county, So I interviewing a marine
uh law enforcement officer.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Or somebody from San Francisco since they took over the case.
Long since took over the case.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Say it's just something really quick. Yeah, because the site
notoriously does things like this. It looks like that's two
different parts of some article and there's no mentioned just
as up I. So there's a lot of questions there,
you know, is this Yeah, what's what's the date with newspaper?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Blah blah blah. You're right, you're saying that maybe it
was cutting paste together.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, I'm going to show you. Yeah, I'm going to
show you where it is right here, And she's absolutely correct.
It starts. The Zodiac Killer has claimed in cryptic Now,
this particular line itself is obviously not lined up and
does not have the same just between it and the
other portions of that paragraph. We can also see that
the why and the P are cut. The lower extenders
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of the crypt y and P are missing, which means
that somebody did in fact cut that, and it is
also slanted in an angle that is not consistent with
the rest of the article. So you're absolutely right, there is.
But we know that they've been, you know, turning and
doing what they want with this evidence to portray it
the way they want to to the public, and no
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different here. We are seeing these types of differences that
we should not have seen. This would have lined up
had this been an actual single print of an article.
So the Zodiac killer is claimed in cryptic notes to
police and newspapers that he has taken seventeen lives, but
he has not been heard from for about a year.
Law enforcement agencies said he has only been linked definitely
to six San Francisco Bay area killings. Now I want
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to know what those are. Where are the six? Where
are the six guys? Because right now it stands they
have Major America believing that he killed five people and
attempted to kill seven. So where's who's number six?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Now?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Unless they're including Sherry Joe Bates at this point. But
this says in San Francisco by.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Killed in San Francisco right in a ticket.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yes there was. Well, I don't know that he was
in San Francisco. I know he was in the Bay Area.
But this is a looting.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
And those of us who know this region, NAPA is
not in the Bay Area. It is in the North
Bay Area. So we got a lot of things going
on here that are inconsistent. Correctly, well, this is six
San Francisco Bay Area killing. That would be a locality.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
So that even though Barriesa isn't in the Sanscay area.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Either, you had.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Include, dude, you had to include the Valeo, the Lakerman Road,
you have to.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Blackrock Springs, and that's all could be considered.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
They could be could be all right. So the Zodiac
Killer or a copycat, says mailed a letter to the
Valeo Times Herald on Wednesday, October twenty eighth, nineteen eighty seven,
claiming he would be driving around on a Halloween night
and his death machine looking for some kiddies to run over,
and that cars make nice weapons. He also made reference
to the movie The Car directed by Elliott Selverstein and
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released in nineteen seventy seven, about a Satanic driverless car
that embarks on a series of hit and run desks,
and it says, here's a review of the correct the
Zodiac modus apperandi, if any can really be established, involved
attacks where he tended to seek out couples and cars,
the only deviation being the Presidio Heights slain of taxi
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cab driver Paul Stein in October eleventh, nineteen sixty nine.
Yet still a vehicle was integral to the crime scene. Now,
but he would they would have to have included Cherry
Joe Bates, because here he is now saying just the
seven victims, which we know two survived, Cherry Joe Bates
also had a vehicle involved in that particular mo as well.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
That's far from the area.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Though it is far from the Bay area. That's what
I'm saying. I don't understand who they're claiming the six
victims to be.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
My best guest is the cop that was killed right
around the name done in sentences go. But nobody really
attributed that to the Zodiac. It's just another unsolved murder.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
That That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, That's what I'm saying.
That has no I mean, well, while people have surmised
that it could have been the Zodiac that did it,
we we don't have any definitive clues. And that is
not their hard pressed story that we've been fed all
these years. Uh, it says, let's see here, Well, what it.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Was with him is that there were other murders going
on races going around at that same time, and they
were trying to blame it on some sort of racial motive.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Right. Well, and that we see that in several of
the cases. Let's see, the only deviation being the Presidio
Heights slein of taxi cab driver Paul steyned in October eleventh,
nineteen sixty nine. Yet still a vehicle was integral to
the crime and searching for crimes based upon the threats
outlined in the nineteen eighty seven letter, where the author
had used his car as a potential weapon. We shall
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examine the murder of a young girl in Wichita on
October thirty first, nineteen eighty seven. Is there a Wichita
in California, Kansas? I know, so I'm not really quite understanding.
In Wichita on October thirty first, nineteen eighty seven. But
first we will take a look at a brutal attack
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on a lone woman in Marin County who had a
terrified encounter one dark night in nineteen seventy two. Now
it's saying nineteen seventy two, Like dear Lord Bill Watson,
thirty three and just got off the bus on the
evening of April seventh, nineteen seventy two, and was walking
home alone along Pine Hill Road, tamil Pias Valley, Marine County,
at nine pm. I don't know why we're visiting something
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in nineteen seventy two when the letter is written in
nineteen eighty seven claiming it's going to be a future
crime that he commits. So I get all kinds of
confused as to why they're mismatching these kinds of things together.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
What's he say about this one? Did she actually get killed?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
We already read the article, so I'm not going to
reread what he has to say. He's just repeating what's
in this San Refel, California, which now is is not
in Wichita. She's she's in Uh what's us say? San Refel,
Marine County and tamil Pias. Yeah, and we know tamil
Pias is one of the points on the murder map.
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But again, I believe that it's possible that Sandy Betts
wrote that thing up and she would have included all
of these unsolved murders as a potential attack. Yeah, so
it's basically saying Marin County. So I don't understand why.
It's like it's purposely meant to confuse you, distract, cause issues.
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Again that her description of the man alerted investigators to
a possible Zodiac connection. Out of a man with a
heavy rimmed, black glasses in his early forties, five foot
nine inches in height, and short brown hair, it was
not overlooked by police. And I think that Gaikowski's much
taller than five foot nine so interesting that Tom Voy
has hung on to Gaikowski as long as he could.
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It was not overlooked by police that the killer had
attempted to lure the woman into his vehicle, not dissimilar
to the method employed in the modesto abduction of Kathleen John's.
Napa County homicide detective Kenneth Narlow believed in a greater
than fifty chance of a Zodiac connection, bearing in mind
the description given by Isabel Watson, and that April seventh,
nineteen seventy two, once again fell on a Friday. Zodiac
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crimes of Herman Road, Blue Rock Springs, Lake Barry S,
and Presidio Heights were on Friday, Friday, Saturday, and Saturday, respectively.
And then there was a response by Sandy Betts. Did
you know that there were two nineteen eighty seven letters sent,
one to vth which is the Valeo Tines Harold, and
the other to the San Francisco Chronicle. I still believe
that all three of the letters, the eighty six and
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eighty sevens, were from Zodiac. She's correct. I never did
like the so called experts opinions. None were very good
except Sherwood Moral. The others would disagree with Moral. They
never could agree on many of the z letters. Then
when one would change his mind, the others would follow.
What a joke. And I do appreciate that comment from
her because she is absolutely correct. I do believe in
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Sherwood Moral and his assertion that these letters were all
written by the same person. Now she's talking about two
nineteen eighty seven letters, We're about to see one. We
already talked about the nineteen eighty six last year. So
here is that nineteen eighty seven letter. I had long
been searching for where to place this chronologically in the
PowerPoint presentation. It does not surprise me by any means
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that the other letter that was purportedly stated as to
being a fraud or a fake that Tashi had committed
it was nineteen seventy eight. We just have a reverse
of the years here. But we see the envelope is
very similar to the actual letter itself. And this is
what the letter says, verbatim, Dear editor, this the Zodiac speaking,
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I am crack proof. Tell herb Kane that I am
still here. I have always been here. Tell the blue
pigs if want me, I will be out driving around
on Halloween in my death machine looking for some kiddies
to run over cars make nice weapons. Them pigs can
catch me if they can find me out there, just
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like in the movie The Car. Tell the kiddies watch
before they cross the streets on Halloween night. Tell Tashi
my plans, Yours truly is blank. Zodiac says, guess what
was the Zodiac symbol? Hyphen guests and VPD, which is
Valeo Police Department hyphen zero Now this is the one
that went to Valeo Times, Harold, and the makeup of
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the envelope is pretty much identical to the nineteen seventy
eight letter that we have already discussed. One of the
things I wanted to point out, which I don't know
if you can tell me, Harriet, is that every time
he wrote the word they them or tell anything with
the capital T, he wrote with a capital T, even
though it should have been lowercase letters. Did that figure
into your solve?
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Yeah, I was seeing that that's something to pick out
his stanographic code is to pick that out and set
the decide as a puzzle piece to work out Annabradja.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
So basically, some of the consistencies that we have between
the nineteen eighty seven and the nineteen seventy eight letter
is the double stamps. There's the double liberty bell on
the nineteen seventy eight and then we have the double
it looks like of the People by the People for
the People twenty two and since stamp it looks like
it's over the top of uh. It's a flag basically
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over go ahead. This is you know, there is to.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Be superimposed those stamps. Those two stamps are twice the
width of your normal stamps, so that that's huge. Yeah,
so these this is superimposed. This is anyways keep going
because once I started working on it, they said, we're
going to have some interesting issues.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
It does look kind of unreal that the stamps are
clear as day, much larger than you would anticipate a
stamp to be, and nowhere near is blurry. Is the
actual writing on this particular envelope, So again brings back
into question how this FBI agent had access to producing
or putting forth this evidence that is in the case
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that means unsolved when the rest of the public would
be told, sorry, we can't release anything to you. This
is still an unsolved case that's being investigated.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Also, it's odd that there's no ZIP codes on either.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
En blow well, and that's a Zodiac thing to do,
you know, the initiated Zodiac codes. What was that, Harriet?
When did Zodiac the zip codes came along seventies.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
No, this started around nineteen sixty eight, nineteen sixty nine,
And I always remember this main zip the main rule
of Zodiac is always used zip code.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
So well, we had many letters by the Zodiac that
did not have ZIP codes exactly.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Then it means if it's without the zip code, then
you have that in the code without zip code, there's
a standard, okay.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Right right, Well, and we saw one of the letters
literally postmarked by the by the post office that said
use zip code exactly.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Yes, Jack and Zodiac.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
If it's not the same person or the group of
people that composed the Zodiac, they're smart enough to know
that we're supposed to use zip code.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
So if it's not there, it was.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Done intentionally exactly. Now, this is kind of a cross
comparison of the basic information being provided in these particular
two communications from nineteen seventy eight and nineteen eighty seven.
Both of them refer to IRB. Kane. Now, I want
to point out that in both places he's not given
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any proper recognition in his name, because both the times
that Rbcane is spelled, it's spelled with lowercase first letters
instead of capitalized, giving him the recognition for who he was.
So it's almost as if he's less than a person
to have printed his entire name in all lowercase letters
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with no capitals. It also refers to Tashi in both
of these letters. It also says yours truly in both
of these letters, and it also says Zodiac guess in
both of these letters, so I do not see this
as a coincidence that they repeat nine years later on
and dates being very important, also almost strategically important to
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the Zodiac. When it comes to these communications, they both
talk about a movie, which again not a coincidence. Albeit
the one in nineteen seventy eight is talking about a
movie about the Zodiac killer himself and who's going to
play him, And then the nineteen eighty seven letter is
actually referred to the movie The Car, And of course
I put the cover up there for we've.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
We've done the nineteen seventy eight letter also where it's
in anyways, but it has the movie The Car there.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
So no, the nineteen seventy eight letter does not have
the movie in the Car.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Yes it does.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
I'm looking at it right now on the screen. It
does not say it does not say anything about the
movie the Car.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
We did it next year.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
We were looking at both of these letters together last year.
I did not know what the date was on this
nineteen eighty seven letter, so we were looking at them
both together as if they were sent at the same time.
And now recognizing that this one is purportedly sent October
nineteen eighty seven. Only the one on the left here
refers to the movie The Car. The one on the
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right actually says, I am smarter and better. He will
get tired than leave me alone. I am waiting for
a good movie about me who will play me. I
am now in control of all things. So the nineteen
seventy eight letter does not refer to the movie The Car,
even though it is one year after the making of
the movie The Car. I do get what you're saying.
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There seems to be some type of a tie in
here that this letter came out one year after the
movie The Car, and then the nineteen eighty seven letter
is actually making reference to the nineteen seventy seven movie
The Car.
Speaker 5 (47:56):
But they're both in eighty seven. People refer back to
Herb Kane and talk to Again.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Who were both.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Explicitly the seventy eight letter. So I guess he's just
tie back.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
It did, yeah, tie back. And that's what I've seen
a lot in these communications, is that there's always a
tie back, all right. So some of the other things
that we found consistent, Oh my goodness, we completely near
ran out of time, you guys, I didn't even get
my first morning sign, so we're down to basically the
last minute, and I was going to go into the
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handwriting consistencies and some of the you know, we see
the heavy markups where they canceled things out. We're going
to have to get into this next week. I'm sorry it, Harry,
and I thought we were going to definitely make it
too the Solves. But I thank everybody for being here
once again, especially Nolan and Harriet. You guys always bring
great questions to the show. I'd like everybody to have
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a wonderful weekend and we will see you next Friday
on the Solves. Go ahead, the.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
Letter in the middle or second letter? What year is that?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Nineteen eighty six that is the one that passed out? Yes, exactly,
and they're very similar, exactly exactly. So I'm gonna show
how those all wrap each other up, and then we're
gonna climb right into some very exciting and informative solves
that Harriet has made with these they are absolutely mind
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blowing and a lot of times they drop my jaw
because of the consistency that they do hold. So do
you have anything left, Harriet?
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I just am gonna say we'll have a great weekend
and we'll desnarl all of this next week, all right,
you gots.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
My brother was performing at the State Fair on.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Sunday, Dennis, then I went to Ireland. That I went
to Ireland with is performing at the State Fair in
her band. She's a singer as well, so that's awesome.
I'll catchat with you on that one. I'll have to
look it up, but I didn't post it. I'll talk
to you guys too. I gotta go, all right, take
care bye,
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
Good Morning, True Seekers and True crime Junkies, Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
Welcome to the show today. Nolan del Campo, Good morning, everybody,
Good morning, and Harriet Souchet, good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
All right.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I got at least one answer to the Peter Wilson case.
I have about four letters from him. I have not
matched up the responses to the questions that I've asked.
It has been a very busy week. He did indicate, though,
and I did pick up on the motive now, so
every time I thought he was referring to four hundred
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dollars that was taken from the backpack, I thought, well,
that might be a decent amount of money in nineteen
ninety six, though it didn't seem like a lot for
somebody to chance their career on. He actually stated in
this one of his responses that he had four hundred
thousand dollars in that backpack. Now we can talk about motive,
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because we couldn't really quite understand why this police officer,
inside of a single day would want to go and
frame him so quickly. Put it to rest, get him incarcerated,
take him off the streets. He's now a murder. Nobody's
going to listen or believe a word he says. So. Yes,
evidently there was four hundred dollars in the front pocket
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of this backpack, but there was four hundred thousand dollars
on the inside of this backpack.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
How did you get so much money?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
That's the one question I did not glean from as
much as I attempted to read out of the responses
that he had given. So I'm I'm going to again
match up the responses to my questions and then re
send out a letter with a specific request. I did
ask how he came up with the three hundred thousand. Again,
I did not get an answer to that, at least
I don't believe I did. Again, I was quickly reading
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through it. He sent me four different responses at four
different times. But when I saw the four hundred k,
I thought I must have misunderstood this from his previous
responses that it was four hundred dollars that was missing
from the backpack. Four hundred thousand now all makes sense.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
So is he in Palo Alto.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
In Palo Alto, he's a thirty one year old student
at Stanford University. He works for hospitals. At this point,
I again do not know how he has this type
of money at this age. It could be an inheritance,
it could be family money. I have no clue right now.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
But also didn't he loan the deceased a bunch of
money too.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Three hundred thousand on the first of March. So now
on the thirty thirtieth of March or thirty first of March,
he has four hundred thousand in his backpack. So I
don't know what he was up to, what he was doing.
I don't want to make any conjectures in regards to it,
But now the motive made sense. I kep wondering this
entire time, what would cause officer or to want to
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hem him up so quickly as the murderer and to
incartrate and put him away for a crime he didn't commit.
And now this would be a valid motive. We know
that your officer, your did an illegal search and seizure
on his backpack on March thirty first, via the missing
and maybe now it's him that removed those missing culpable
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piece exculpable pieces of evidence which are the alibis for
mister Wilson from his backpack. He clearly removed them on
the thirty first, before the search warrant was issued. He
copied them, put them in the police file, and then
subsequently those pieces of evidence that would have exculpted mister
Wilson were removed from the police file with an inserted
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page indicating that it had been removed. And I do
have somebody working on getting me samples of the players
of this game they're handwriting, so I can make a
determination as to who it was that signed off that
they removed that evidence from the police file with your
did the search not until April first, So that's the
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kind of the kicker there. The search warrant. You got
to remember, the thirty first is a Sunday. Nobody's giving
nobody's putting out search warrants on this day right the
judges and in chambers until Monday, so April first, he
issues the search warrant which includes the backpack and the
home of Kim. So we see Officer I believe it
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was Officer Brooks that completed that search the susposedly the
first search of the backpack on April first, in which
case only four hundred dollars where it said it said
small change or something like that in the actual evidence
report where they had searched the backpack and it indicated
there was a small amount of money. And that's what
I thought had been taken this entire time, was that
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small four hundred dollars. So but we see no mention
of the fact that this search had actually taken place
and things had been taken from the backpack on the
thirty first by Officer Your, until we found out that
the alibi evidence marked mister your stating that it was
removed from the backpack on three point thirty one ninety six,
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previous to the actual search warrant. So I now at
this point, this is a fantastic motive for Officer Yore
to have have caused mister Wilson to be the suspect,
and and basically frame him for this particular murder by
applying his blood to the crime scene.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Do we know how big the backpack is because it
seems almost impossible, even if they're all hundred dollars bills
to fit four hundred thousand dollars in one backpack.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Well, three hundred thousand was witnessed by by two individuals
in regards to the payment that was given to miss
Kim on three to one, so we know three that was, well,
that was in the backpack and witnessed by one of
the friends that took Peter Wilson to the bank to
obtain the money from the security box. So we know
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that he said he saw the bundles, but he did
not actually see the cash itself. So I'm assuming what
he was looking at was probably bundles inside either envelopes
or something, and the backpack was big enough to hold
that three hundred thousand. Now my bigger question, yeah, which
is going to be a follow up question, was did
this backpack accompany him to San Francisco? Was he walking
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around with four hundred thousand dollars or did he go
to four hundred thousand or go to San Francisco to
pick up this four hundred thousand, and now the law
money laundering aspect of things that's kind of coming into play.
And regardless of what kind of illegalities mister Wilson was
committing at this time, if he was, and I'm not
saying he was, but if he was, it doesn't make
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him a murderer. So a lot of times, like I'm saying,
these suspects and these cases here that we're looking at
in this PowerPoint presentation, is that a lot of the
suspects were either pedophiles or they are robbers. There are
all these things that don't constitute them actually being convicted
of murder because they're not murderers. So I'm hoping that
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we will get those answers, and I will follow up
on the responses that he gave me. Hopefully next week
I'll have answers to some of the questions I've asked
and gotten out another letter to him for him to
explicitly explain how this man has seven hundred thousand dollars
inside of a thirty day period.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
That's crazy. Yeah, especially in the mid nineties, it's a
lot of money.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, that's a lot a lot of money. Yes, I
hear you, And he's back and forth between Palau Alto
and San Francisco, and we know that that's where the
money is in California one of the places anyways, right.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
That the era Silicon Bellys is blooming, he started that
the money was.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Flowing, and maybe he invested. I mean, there's a lot
of ways he could have had this money, just because
I've never had an't.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And he's also keeping it in security boxes instead of
in the actual bank itself where it could accumulate interest.
So there's questions as to why you know, you would
put it into a box in a bank, but not
in a bank to be held unless he feared that
banks would have issues such as when you know, the
market crashes and all of a sudden everyone notifying the rrs. Well,
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and then that brings us back to illegalities. Why don't
you want the I r S to know you have
this money? Either way, that that is now them that
we have been looking for. We've been questioning this entire
time why Officer your would want to have him convicted
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as a as a criminal for murder, and now the
evidence is kind of lining up and showing us what
is going on. And if mister if officer, You're removed
the exculpable evidence like his alibi evidence from the backpack
on the thirty first, Then what else did he removed
on the thirty first before the actual legal search and
seizure was done on April first with the officer Brooks.
(10:06):
So I'm going to leave it at that, and we're
going to move right back into the zodiac. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Did the taxi driver testify. He did, Rile he did,
he did, and he did all those testimony. He backed
up Wilson right completely.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
He stated when he got there to pick Wilson up,
there was a vehicle in the driveway under a car cover,
which everyone else has already acknowledged, including Coleleman, that she
did not have a car cover and that her BMW
was gone. That well, the the cab driver did not
see a BMW in the driveway. Mister Wilson testified that
the BMW was gone, but an alternate car was under
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a car cover in the driveway. The taxi cab driver
testified to the fact that yes, there was a car
under a car cover, and then mister Coleman, when he
got home at eight thirty at night, indicated that the
BMW was in the driveway. There was not a vehicle
in the driveway with a car cover on it. And
then miss Kim did not own a car cover, and
you could tell by the condition of the paint on
her car. And then the Tap taxi cab driver also
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testified to the fact that he didn't believe that he
was the one responsible for slamming mister Wilson's hand in
the car door, but it did happen. He made an
incident report. He felt that mister Wilson was probably culpable
for slamming his own hand.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
In the door.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I don't know either way. It did get slammed, and
there is medical records that support that mister Wilson was
in the hospital for at least I want to say,
six or so hours in San Francisco being addressed to
the broken fingers and the porn nail off of his pinky,
all which occurred at the cow trans station in San Francisco.
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So I'm just now stating we have a motive. I
kept saying, I don't know, I don't know why this
officer would do this. I wanted to lean towards other
illegal business like money laundering and drug trafficking and him
protecting you know, those that were doing it. But now
it appears he was just on the take for himself
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and that was a lot of money. Like you said
back in the day, that would probably be enough to
steer one bad cough.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Into one last question before we move on, where was the.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Uh Well, Wilson was at home, so it would have
been in his bedroom. Wilson was at home when he
found miss Kim, So.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yes, his room is not where the crime scene.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Was correct, correct, And.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
It's a personal property within a separate room. It's not
part of the crime scene illegal search.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Correct, And that's his complaint at this point in time.
So basically it even states when he was taken to
the police department to get his blood drawn, the rape kit,
the gunshot residue done, this clothing was collected. When everything
was taken from him down at the police station, he
had asked for his phone book so that he could
make phone calls to attorneys and other people he knew,
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and he was denied access to that phone book because
it was inside the backpack and they said that was
evidence at this point in time that was in the
evidence room and that it unless he gave them permission
to search that backpack. He could not have that phone book,
and he said, nope, I will figure it out on
my own. You are not to search my backpack. And
probably because he had that four hundred thousand in there,
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I'm guessing that that's why he wouldn't allow them to search,
because otherwise you could. I mean, it's no different than
getting pulled over for a for a duy check. You
have an opportunity to blow and clear yourself.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
If there was nothing in that backpack that you didn't
want somebody to see, you would have said, searched my backpack.
There's nothing in there that's gonna, you know, cause me
to be culpable for this crime. So I think that
now we have our mo and that makes it a
little bit more solid because we were just a little
sketchy on that the whole time I was doing the
wrongful conviction upon cast. So here we go December eighth
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of nineteen eighty six. We are finally at the end
of nineteen eighty six. We have twenty nine year old
Rita May Hughes in Houston, Texas at a bus station.
She went missing. She's a white female, five foot five
inches one hundred and fifteen pounds, brown hair, and blue eyes.
Last known address was in Magnolia, Texas. Her husband drove
her to the bus station, but the relatives said she
never made it. Now, Houston is kind of that greater
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area where we know Flova was living around at this
particular point in time, and it is not beyond Jack.
But we do see pictures back that indicate that they
were in other plate well, it doesn't indicate Jack was.
This is Nora's handwriting that I'm looking at, because December
of nineteen eighty six it says Christmas in California is
at Mary's in Stockton. Uh, and we see you know,
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the kids and Mary. God, what a gorgeous girl she
is anyways, and they also had pictures which I did
not find just as of yet the first pictures we'd
seen of Denny I had written and here in the
presentation I went back to search for him. But it
is with Denny, his wife Sharon, and the kids at
Jack's house on Kirby during Christmas. So it does put
at least Nora in the family in a Sacramento area
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for Christmas and Stockton area for Christmas. But I did
not see Jack in any of the photographs, So I
really don't know where he is at at this point
in time. All right, I love you.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
How did I come up to Chiapella already? Oh man?
All right, So I had some information on this. I
thought this was coming up next week. I had actually
removed this particular murder from the podcast, from the possible
zodiac stuff. But then I got new information which I
have not entered at this point, and it's on January
of nineteen eighty seven, William and Catherine Chiapella in Chico, California.
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They were found bound, gag and stabbed multiple times and
bludgeoned on the head with a fire extinguisher. Article says,
reminiscent to the Manson murder, it's well to do prominent
members of the community. It's a home break in. Suspect
wrote on two bathroom mirrors and lipstick just the beginning.
And so that's why I initially put this in here,
because we saw the Pennsylvania murder of one of the
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Manson family members, where he wrote Jack and Jill goes
down the hill in lipstick, I believe on the mirror
in one of the bathrooms of the hotel room where
the Manson family member was found murdered. We also saw
the writings on the wall in the Keddy murder area.
Stephen Crittenden was sentenced to death for the crime, and
so this was future. So I literally had the murders
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in here, thinking it's a possible zodiac and then I
found out Stephen Crichteneden was sentenced to death for crime.
The evidence or an eyewitness putting him in the area
footprints in the home. However, he was hired by the
Chiapellos to do part time yards even though we never
actually did any work, and it is likely he was
in their home. There was blood on the shoes found
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in his apartment, but it does not state if the
blood was a match to either of the victims. Sheets
were used to bound the victims were in the same
strawberry pattern as some found in his home, so a
similar pattern. They are not saying that they're identical sheets,
but I mean, if a strawberry pattern is like out
for the massive public, especially at the lower income levels,
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it's likely it's available to a lot of people. Crichtenon
was a football player for Chico State, and this is
where I wonder how and why he would jeopardize any
possible career he might have at this point. The writings
on the mirror take a special six someone as I
put in it and in lipstick, saying it's just the beginning.
So it says Crichton and has been granted a new trial.
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And I wanted to research that, and I did. I
found an article on let's see if I can tell
the date of this, twenty thirteen, and pretty much it says.
The news that a federal judges ordered a new trial
for former Chico State student convicted in nineteen eighty nine
of the murders of a prominent Chico physician and his
wife has stirred memories of one of the most gruesome
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and racially charged cases in the city's modern history. In
January nineteen eighty seven, doctor William and Catherine Cioppella, who
were then sixty eight and sixty seven years old, respectively,
were found in their Downing Avenue home by their son, Joseph,
also physician. Both had been bound, gagged and stabbed multiple
times and bludgeoned about the head with a fire extinguisher.
There was evidence they had been tortured before being killed,
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and in the manner reminiscent of the Manson killings. The
assailant had written a message in lipstick in two bathroom mirrors,
just the beginning it read. So basically, they've stated that
a federal district court judge has ordered a retrial in
the case, basically stating that while there were some coincidences,
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it was not enough to have convicted him of these crimes.
So there was supposed to be a retrial. Looks like
I need to continue to follow up and find more
information on that if I can to see that if
he has been what's the word.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
A conspiracy no no, no, no, no no no, basically
got off.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Acquitted, to see if he was actually acquitted in the
in the yeah, subsequent trial, So.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
A conspiracy to acquit him.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, and I may have to put this right back
in because we know that the Chico area is very
close to the Keddy Cabin stuff, very close to Eureka,
mister Adams. There's a lot of things that was happening
in that area that has been associated with the Zodiac case.
January twenty fourth of nineteen eighty seven, Eric koy And
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Martinez was nine years old. I believe that he had
gone missing. I don't know that there was a body found.
I have not found a lot of information on him either.
And it did indicate that there was somebody from Martinez.
On the murder map from Sandy Betts May twenty of
nineteen eighty seven, twenty one year old Alexander legro Bala
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Castle in Woodbranch, New Caney, Texas. So we're still seeing
murders that are going on in this area. It's Conroe,
New Caney, Magnolia, all of these areas. I forty five
galvin Ston, you know, that's kind of relatively close to
the Houston area. Found in a drainage ditch in an
undeveloped section of Wood Branch off Highway fifty nine year
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New Cany, Texas bound, stabbed, shot and burned. Now that's
why I entered this one into the into the presentation,
because we know that by fire, by gun, by knife,
by rope was pretty much the zodiacs m O. And
here we're seeing all four of those ms in this
particular murder. Now we have a picture over here to
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the right of Jack and his what's that? Oh my god,
are you thinking out loud? Jack in his security uniform
in nineteen eighty seven the I forty five killings that
took place in the eighties reported a man in a
cop or a security like uniform spotted where girls had
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gone missing. So I wanted to throw that up there
to show you how official Jack actually might have looked
in his uniform, and that he could have been taken
as a police officer or as they indicated, a security
like uniform.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
This is really creepy because that's very much the type
of uniform stuff that I saw in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Laid up what I saw.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Anyways, So that's the kind of uniform material It was
on that we talked about it.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I think it was last show that.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I mean, it almost looks like he's even wearing a
badge on his hip. We see something that's kind of
gold that is reminiscent and may very well be badge.
Like I don't think that give security guards badges these days,
do they?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Where was this particular job at he was working for?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, this house actually looks like something from Flova's house.
This is the way it appears to me, is more
something of Flova's house than it is of Jack and
Norri's house. The inside pictures of Jack and Nora's house
did not appear to be the same, but it feels
reminiscent of something of his mom's house. And I want
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to say he was a security guard for Hewlett Packard's
starting it says nineteen eighty three, though we don't really
see him actively writing any reports or doing anything until
nineteen eighty four, nineteen eighty five. Actually, I want to
say it was nineteen eighty four, in which case he
stated for probation that he was a security contract security
guard for Pinkerton at Hewlett Packard.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
And then that looks, yeah, that can actually look like
a Pinkerton type because they would have a little Madge
as Pinkerton.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So it's more professional obviously than some of ours. All Right,
So on June seventh of nineteen eighty seven, we have
fourteen year old Erica and Garcia. She's at a teen
club in Houston. She's found behind a vacant building. Again,
this is a running mo in these cases with remoter
vacant buildings lots. She's strangled to death. On July thirteenth
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of nineteen eighty seven Eddie and Joanne McMillan in Kingwood neighborhood, Texas.
He's a Conico executive, so right back into gas and oil,
and she's a real estate agent. The house is situated
on a lake. They are bludgeoned to death in their
bed entry into the homes. Like we saw in several
of the of the unaccount or several of the accounted
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for murder scenes, it's ransacked. The house is ransacked, but
nothing was taken of value, so that ruled out the
mo of robbery. And it's called the ransack murder back
in California. So robbery's very rare in this killer's m
we haven't seen a lot. I know that Dennis believed
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that Jack or the Zodiac did actively take some jewelry
from victims and have it melted down in order to
make some money off of it, claiming that he had
found gold while he was up in Nevada. But we
very rarely see anything that has taken from any of
these victims of the Zodiac cases where it appears to
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be robbery or as if they're trying to deter you
from thinking that it's a random kill for any other
reason other than robbery. There was two phone calls to
the police to let them know that the McMillan's were dead,
and one of the calls came from the residents itself. Now,
this definitely sounds like a Zodiac m O. As with
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many of these cases, we did have phone calls from
the suspect to the police media. Family. August seventh of
nineteen eighty seven, Jack and Nora Mary Shicone remarry in Washo, Nevada.
So now we see them actually remarrying. I half wonder
if they didn't get a divorce simply because if they
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divorced and put everything in Mary's name while Jack was
in probation or in jail for his little act of
aggression with the assault with the deadly weapon, couldn't have
caused him to suffer punitive damages or I mean, I
don't know where the punitive damages would have been paid
right back to him if he was literally still with Nora,
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because the assault was committed on the family. October of
nineteen eighty seven, David Knobling and Robert Edward at Colonial Parkway, Virginia.
Now this one's a little bit out of the way,
but they were found shot nearby in a wildlife refuge.
Theorized that the suspect posed as an officer in order
to get them to pull over again. That's why I
put it in here, because we see Jack looking like
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that stereotypical officer in his MILI in his security guard uniform. Now,
the next communication that we're going to actually pick up
on I found at Zodiac ciphers dot com. Harriet and
I have been having some conversations in regards to this.
Now I thought it was a former FBI agent that
posed this particular website. You believe he's the current FBI agent.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
He's reportedly the cipher solver or cryptov or co department
for the FBI.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Now what so, so he's he's.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Associated according to So why has it made his bio?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Would they allow him to run a website if he
was a current agent on evidence and information in an
unsolved case? Well, Nolan, do you think that that's possible
if he's an active agent? I mean, typically speaking, Dennis
and I would get know minimal amount of information out
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of Chris Hopkins and uh hit Meyer, but we wouldn't
necessarily be given opportunities to see evidence that's in the file.
So would this FBI agent be allowed to run a
mainstream website on the unsolved murders with evidence never before
seen by the public. If it's an open case, he
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would have to be FBI evidence. I mean, hold on,
and I'm happy to hear, go ahead, he.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Would he would have to get special permissive permission. But
the general policy is no, they don't give out information.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And typically they don't even right and typically they don't
even appear in the media or on documentaries or anything
until after they've retired.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
He's he's been in the media as the guy who
pulled the three forty and you know, it says his
bio is that he's working, that he's the cryptographer that
for the FBI, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And it really to say, though, this is this is
a new letter we had not seen before, but it's
well we've seen I've seen before, We've talked about in
the past. It was it was put forth as though
it was a forgery or that somebody else wrote it,
even though I have substantiated that it is in fact
written by the Zodiac Killer. So basically it says October
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twenty eighth, nineteen eighty seven, the.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Letter, that Zodiac letter. Yeah, I'm allowed, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Well we're going to see the actual visual part of it.
But this is just the type written version of it,
and it says the October twenty eighth, nineteen eighty seven
letter is questionable as to whether it was authored by
the Zodiac Killer, but did anything occur on Halloween night
nineteen eighty seven that would substantiate anything the author alludes
to in the letter. On October thirty first, nineteen eighty seven,
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three days after the mailing of this correspondent, Shannon Oilson fifteen,
disappeared from Southeast Which area after she had decided to
venture out with friends on All Hollows Eve. Within hours,
she was found floating in a pond by two fishermen
in an industrial area by the now I thir five
and K ninety six in north Wichita. Shannon Olson had
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been repeatedly stabbed over forty times. Discovered with her hands
bound behind her back by her own bra It was
presumed that her body had been dumped there, having been
abducted from a secondary location. The letter and the murder
were within days of each other, with the crime occurring
on Halloween night. The killer could have used his car
to temporarily disable the young girl before whisking her away
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to the area of her murder, which may have been
the malicious intent of the perpetrator of the tamil Pious
Valley attack in Isabl Watson, oh On Isabl Watson, Shannon Olson,
in the eyes of somebody like the Zodiac killer, would
have been viewed as a kid, as she was only
fifteen years old. She was bound and brutally stabbed in
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what can only be described as a frenzied attack, consisting
of over forty knife wounds. There are loose similarities to
the attacks at Lake Barriesa, the Hood Garcia murders, and
the Domingus Edward slains, all discovered near water. October thirty first,
nineteen eighty seven, was also a Saturday, in alignment with
the Zodiac's four confirmed attacks at Lake Herman Road, Blue
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Rock Springs Park, Lake Barriessa, and Presidio Heights, which all
took place on Friday or Saturday. So basically, he's got
the typewritten version over here. They are editor this is
now okay. I hate it when people type things unlike
the actual letter, because I think that it's very important
that the letter be read at verbatim, because it tells
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us more the mindset, the linguistics, and what we're matching
up to the Zodiac. So I'm just going to kind
of fast forward. We'll read the letter once I get
to the actual letter. So Halloween nineteen eighty seven murder,
San Rafel, California authority said Tuesday that an attack on
a legal secretary twelve days ago in tamil Pius Valley
might have been the work of the Zodiac killer. I
think it's a good chance it was him. Napa County
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Sheriff's Captain Ken Narlo said Miss Isabel Watson, thirty three,
was walking on Pine Hill Road near her home on
April seventh when she was knocked to the ground by
a car. So this is fitting with the letter.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
She said.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
The driver got out, told her he was sorry, and
offered to drive her home. She said, she refused, and
he became angry. Sounds like the Zodiac or at least
another one of those cases. The assailant stabbed her and
she was and she screamed. The man fled and Miss
Watson was taken to Marin General Hospital for treatment. Nnalo said,
I've been chasing the SOB for two and a half
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years now, and Miss Watson's description seems to fit him
to a t. The Zodiac Killer has claimed in cryptic
notes to police and newspapers that he has taken seventeen lives. Now,
I love that we're in nineteen eighty seven on this letter,
and this man is reporting the fact that seventeen. We've
seen a letter that reported one hundred in nineteen eighty six,
shortly before these communications, but he has not been heard
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from for about a year.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Also in a Marine county, So I interviewing a marine
uh law enforcement officer.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Or somebody from San Francisco since they took over the case.
Long since took over the case.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Say it's just something really quick. Yeah, because the site
notoriously does things like this. It looks like that's two
different parts of some article and there's no mentioned just
as up I. So there's a lot of questions there,
you know, is this Yeah, what's what's the date with newspaper?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Blah blah blah. You're right, you're saying that maybe it
was cutting paste together.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, I'm going to show you. Yeah, I'm going to
show you where it is right here, And she's absolutely correct.
It starts. The Zodiac Killer has claimed in cryptic Now,
this particular line itself is obviously not lined up and
does not have the same just between it and the
other portions of that paragraph. We can also see that
the why and the P are cut. The lower extenders
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of the crypt y and P are missing, which means
that somebody did in fact cut that, and it is
also slanted in an angle that is not consistent with
the rest of the article. So you're absolutely right, there is.
But we know that they've been, you know, turning and
doing what they want with this evidence to portray it
the way they want to to the public, and no
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different here. We are seeing these types of differences that
we should not have seen. This would have lined up
had this been an actual single print of an article.
So the Zodiac killer is claimed in cryptic notes to
police and newspapers that he has taken seventeen lives, but
he has not been heard from for about a year.
Law enforcement agencies said he has only been linked definitely
to six San Francisco Bay area killings. Now I want
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to know what those are. Where are the six? Where
are the six guys? Because right now it stands they
have Major America believing that he killed five people and
attempted to kill seven. So where's who's number six?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Now?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Unless they're including Sherry Joe Bates at this point. But
this says in San Francisco by.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Killed in San Francisco right in a ticket.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yes there was. Well, I don't know that he was
in San Francisco. I know he was in the Bay Area.
But this is a looting.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
And those of us who know this region, NAPA is
not in the Bay Area. It is in the North
Bay Area. So we got a lot of things going
on here that are inconsistent. Correctly, well, this is six
San Francisco Bay Area killing. That would be a locality.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
So that even though Barriesa isn't in the Sanscay area.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Either, you had.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Include, dude, you had to include the Valeo, the Lakerman Road,
you have to.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Blackrock Springs, and that's all could be considered.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
They could be could be all right. So the Zodiac
Killer or a copycat, says mailed a letter to the
Valeo Times Herald on Wednesday, October twenty eighth, nineteen eighty seven,
claiming he would be driving around on a Halloween night
and his death machine looking for some kiddies to run over,
and that cars make nice weapons. He also made reference
to the movie The Car directed by Elliott Selverstein and
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released in nineteen seventy seven, about a Satanic driverless car
that embarks on a series of hit and run desks,
and it says, here's a review of the correct the
Zodiac modus apperandi, if any can really be established, involved
attacks where he tended to seek out couples and cars,
the only deviation being the Presidio Heights slain of taxi
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cab driver Paul Stein in October eleventh, nineteen sixty nine.
Yet still a vehicle was integral to the crime scene. Now,
but he would they would have to have included Cherry
Joe Bates, because here he is now saying just the
seven victims, which we know two survived, Cherry Joe Bates
also had a vehicle involved in that particular mo as well.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
That's far from the area.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Though it is far from the Bay area. That's what
I'm saying. I don't understand who they're claiming the six
victims to be.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
My best guest is the cop that was killed right
around the name done in sentences go. But nobody really
attributed that to the Zodiac. It's just another unsolved murder.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
That That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, That's what I'm saying.
That has no I mean, well, while people have surmised
that it could have been the Zodiac that did it,
we we don't have any definitive clues. And that is
not their hard pressed story that we've been fed all
these years. Uh, it says, let's see here, Well, what it.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Was with him is that there were other murders going
on races going around at that same time, and they
were trying to blame it on some sort of racial motive.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Right. Well, and that we see that in several of
the cases. Let's see, the only deviation being the Presidio
Heights slein of taxi cab driver Paul steyned in October eleventh,
nineteen sixty nine. Yet still a vehicle was integral to
the crime and searching for crimes based upon the threats
outlined in the nineteen eighty seven letter, where the author
had used his car as a potential weapon. We shall
(37:30):
examine the murder of a young girl in Wichita on
October thirty first, nineteen eighty seven. Is there a Wichita
in California, Kansas? I know, so I'm not really quite understanding.
In Wichita on October thirty first, nineteen eighty seven. But
first we will take a look at a brutal attack
(37:50):
on a lone woman in Marin County who had a
terrified encounter one dark night in nineteen seventy two. Now
it's saying nineteen seventy two, Like dear Lord Bill Watson,
thirty three and just got off the bus on the
evening of April seventh, nineteen seventy two, and was walking
home alone along Pine Hill Road, tamil Pias Valley, Marine County,
at nine pm. I don't know why we're visiting something
(38:12):
in nineteen seventy two when the letter is written in
nineteen eighty seven claiming it's going to be a future
crime that he commits. So I get all kinds of
confused as to why they're mismatching these kinds of things together.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
What's he say about this one? Did she actually get killed?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
We already read the article, so I'm not going to
reread what he has to say. He's just repeating what's
in this San Refel, California, which now is is not
in Wichita. She's she's in Uh what's us say? San Refel,
Marine County and tamil Pias. Yeah, and we know tamil
Pias is one of the points on the murder map.
(38:52):
But again, I believe that it's possible that Sandy Betts
wrote that thing up and she would have included all
of these unsolved murders as a potential attack. Yeah, so
it's basically saying Marin County. So I don't understand why.
It's like it's purposely meant to confuse you, distract, cause issues.
(39:14):
Again that her description of the man alerted investigators to
a possible Zodiac connection. Out of a man with a
heavy rimmed, black glasses in his early forties, five foot
nine inches in height, and short brown hair, it was
not overlooked by police. And I think that Gaikowski's much
taller than five foot nine so interesting that Tom Voy
has hung on to Gaikowski as long as he could.
(39:36):
It was not overlooked by police that the killer had
attempted to lure the woman into his vehicle, not dissimilar
to the method employed in the modesto abduction of Kathleen John's.
Napa County homicide detective Kenneth Narlow believed in a greater
than fifty chance of a Zodiac connection, bearing in mind
the description given by Isabel Watson, and that April seventh,
nineteen seventy two, once again fell on a Friday. Zodiac
(39:59):
crimes of Herman Road, Blue Rock Springs, Lake Barry S,
and Presidio Heights were on Friday, Friday, Saturday, and Saturday, respectively.
And then there was a response by Sandy Betts. Did
you know that there were two nineteen eighty seven letters sent,
one to vth which is the Valeo Tines Harold, and
the other to the San Francisco Chronicle. I still believe
that all three of the letters, the eighty six and
(40:21):
eighty sevens, were from Zodiac. She's correct. I never did
like the so called experts opinions. None were very good
except Sherwood Moral. The others would disagree with Moral. They
never could agree on many of the z letters. Then
when one would change his mind, the others would follow.
What a joke. And I do appreciate that comment from
her because she is absolutely correct. I do believe in
(40:44):
Sherwood Moral and his assertion that these letters were all
written by the same person. Now she's talking about two
nineteen eighty seven letters, We're about to see one. We
already talked about the nineteen eighty six last year. So
here is that nineteen eighty seven letter. I had long
been searching for where to place this chronologically in the
PowerPoint presentation. It does not surprise me by any means
(41:08):
that the other letter that was purportedly stated as to
being a fraud or a fake that Tashi had committed
it was nineteen seventy eight. We just have a reverse
of the years here. But we see the envelope is
very similar to the actual letter itself. And this is
what the letter says, verbatim, Dear editor, this the Zodiac speaking,
(41:33):
I am crack proof. Tell herb Kane that I am
still here. I have always been here. Tell the blue
pigs if want me, I will be out driving around
on Halloween in my death machine looking for some kiddies
to run over cars make nice weapons. Them pigs can
catch me if they can find me out there, just
(41:53):
like in the movie The Car. Tell the kiddies watch
before they cross the streets on Halloween night. Tell Tashi
my plans, Yours truly is blank. Zodiac says, guess what
was the Zodiac symbol? Hyphen guests and VPD, which is
Valeo Police Department hyphen zero Now this is the one
that went to Valeo Times, Harold, and the makeup of
(42:16):
the envelope is pretty much identical to the nineteen seventy
eight letter that we have already discussed. One of the
things I wanted to point out, which I don't know
if you can tell me, Harriet, is that every time
he wrote the word they them or tell anything with
the capital T, he wrote with a capital T, even
though it should have been lowercase letters. Did that figure
into your solve?
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Yeah, I was seeing that that's something to pick out
his stanographic code is to pick that out and set
the decide as a puzzle piece to work out Annabradja.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
So basically, some of the consistencies that we have between
the nineteen eighty seven and the nineteen seventy eight letter
is the double stamps. There's the double liberty bell on
the nineteen seventy eight and then we have the double
it looks like of the People by the People for
the People twenty two and since stamp it looks like
it's over the top of uh. It's a flag basically
(43:15):
over go ahead. This is you know, there is to.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Be superimposed those stamps. Those two stamps are twice the
width of your normal stamps, so that that's huge. Yeah,
so these this is superimposed. This is anyways keep going
because once I started working on it, they said, we're
going to have some interesting issues.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
It does look kind of unreal that the stamps are
clear as day, much larger than you would anticipate a
stamp to be, and nowhere near is blurry. Is the
actual writing on this particular envelope, So again brings back
into question how this FBI agent had access to producing
or putting forth this evidence that is in the case
(43:59):
that means unsolved when the rest of the public would
be told, sorry, we can't release anything to you. This
is still an unsolved case that's being investigated.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Also, it's odd that there's no ZIP codes on either.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
En blow well, and that's a Zodiac thing to do,
you know, the initiated Zodiac codes. What was that, Harriet?
When did Zodiac the zip codes came along seventies.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
No, this started around nineteen sixty eight, nineteen sixty nine,
And I always remember this main zip the main rule
of Zodiac is always used zip code.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
So well, we had many letters by the Zodiac that
did not have ZIP codes exactly.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Then it means if it's without the zip code, then
you have that in the code without zip code, there's
a standard, okay.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Right right, Well, and we saw one of the letters
literally postmarked by the by the post office that said
use zip code exactly.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Yes, Jack and Zodiac.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
If it's not the same person or the group of
people that composed the Zodiac, they're smart enough to know
that we're supposed to use zip code.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
So if it's not there, it was.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Done intentionally exactly. Now, this is kind of a cross
comparison of the basic information being provided in these particular
two communications from nineteen seventy eight and nineteen eighty seven.
Both of them refer to IRB. Kane. Now, I want
to point out that in both places he's not given
(45:37):
any proper recognition in his name, because both the times
that Rbcane is spelled, it's spelled with lowercase first letters
instead of capitalized, giving him the recognition for who he was.
So it's almost as if he's less than a person
to have printed his entire name in all lowercase letters
(45:58):
with no capitals. It also refers to Tashi in both
of these letters. It also says yours truly in both
of these letters, and it also says Zodiac guess in
both of these letters, so I do not see this
as a coincidence that they repeat nine years later on
and dates being very important, also almost strategically important to
(46:18):
the Zodiac. When it comes to these communications, they both
talk about a movie, which again not a coincidence. Albeit
the one in nineteen seventy eight is talking about a
movie about the Zodiac killer himself and who's going to
play him, And then the nineteen eighty seven letter is
actually referred to the movie The Car, And of course
I put the cover up there for we've.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
We've done the nineteen seventy eight letter also where it's
in anyways, but it has the movie The Car there.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
So no, the nineteen seventy eight letter does not have
the movie in the Car.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Yes it does.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
I'm looking at it right now on the screen. It
does not say it does not say anything about the
movie the Car.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
We did it next year.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
We were looking at both of these letters together last year.
I did not know what the date was on this
nineteen eighty seven letter, so we were looking at them
both together as if they were sent at the same time.
And now recognizing that this one is purportedly sent October
nineteen eighty seven. Only the one on the left here
refers to the movie The Car. The one on the
(47:22):
right actually says, I am smarter and better. He will
get tired than leave me alone. I am waiting for
a good movie about me who will play me. I
am now in control of all things. So the nineteen
seventy eight letter does not refer to the movie The Car,
even though it is one year after the making of
the movie The Car. I do get what you're saying.
(47:43):
There seems to be some type of a tie in
here that this letter came out one year after the
movie The Car, and then the nineteen eighty seven letter
is actually making reference to the nineteen seventy seven movie
The Car.
Speaker 5 (47:56):
But they're both in eighty seven. People refer back to
Herb Kane and talk to Again.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Who were both.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Explicitly the seventy eight letter. So I guess he's just
tie back.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
It did, yeah, tie back. And that's what I've seen
a lot in these communications, is that there's always a
tie back, all right. So some of the other things
that we found consistent, Oh my goodness, we completely near
ran out of time, you guys, I didn't even get
my first morning sign, so we're down to basically the
last minute, and I was going to go into the
(48:29):
handwriting consistencies and some of the you know, we see
the heavy markups where they canceled things out. We're going
to have to get into this next week. I'm sorry it, Harry,
and I thought we were going to definitely make it
too the Solves. But I thank everybody for being here
once again, especially Nolan and Harriet. You guys always bring
great questions to the show. I'd like everybody to have
(48:51):
a wonderful weekend and we will see you next Friday
on the Solves. Go ahead, the.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
Letter in the middle or second letter? What year is that?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Nineteen eighty six that is the one that passed out? Yes, exactly,
and they're very similar, exactly exactly. So I'm gonna show
how those all wrap each other up, and then we're
gonna climb right into some very exciting and informative solves
that Harriet has made with these they are absolutely mind
(49:24):
blowing and a lot of times they drop my jaw
because of the consistency that they do hold. So do
you have anything left, Harriet?
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I just am gonna say we'll have a great weekend
and we'll desnarl all of this next week, all right,
you gots.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
My brother was performing at the State Fair on.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Sunday, Dennis, then I went to Ireland. That I went
to Ireland with is performing at the State Fair in
her band. She's a singer as well, so that's awesome.
I'll catchat with you on that one. I'll have to
look it up, but I didn't post it. I'll talk
to you guys too. I gotta go, all right, take
care bye,
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