July 18, 2025 • 50 mins
Answers in the framing and conviction of Peter Wilson. 400k missing in illegal search and seizure after finding his landlady murdered. 300k lent to his landlady lost upon her murder is the worst day of Peter Wilson’s life. Cops on the take, and DA’s willing to secure a conviction even if it means not presenting the evidence to the jury and purposefully suppressing exculpable forensics. Harriette Sucher shares her solve on the 1987 Herb Caen letter from the Zodiac Killer.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good morning, True Seekers and True crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
To just start off the show this morning with something fabulous.
I did an event last night which I volunteered to
drive the kJ.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
To Oakland, California.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
In which case we were hosted by Sutter Hospital Cancer
Patients Ward where we brought music, fun and support to
the community, helping those that are kind of.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Stuck in their sickness or their illness.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
And not really having a lot going on, because when
you feel that way, you don't really get out to events,
you don't get really out of the hospital in some cases.
So we brought karaoke to them and we had a
wonderful evening. It was our first little pilot program, I
believe because it appears as though it's something that may
take off. The doctor that invited us out is part
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of alternative medicines, which I applaud her for. Western medicine
isn't always the only way to go. So we're seeing
the combination or the infusion of Western and Eastern medicine.
She does acupuncture and she feels that music is something
that could help heal the soul, provide happiness, and that's
(02:09):
exactly what we saw last night.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
So thank thank you to the doctor, thank you to
Sutter for allowing us to put this on.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
And I hope that eventually it extends to more hospitals,
maybe even to the children's ward of the cancer patients,
so that they can have a little bit of fun
as well. We know how much children love to sing,
So on my soapbox, I'm going to welcome Harriet Soouchet
to the show.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Good morning, good morning, great show today.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yes it is as long as my voice holds out,
because we did a lot of singing last night.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
We both can blab a lot. We can do it well.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I again, if you heard that intro there, I went
to the Oakland County or Oakland, California, Sutter Hospital and
we performed a karaoke show which the patients were able
to get up and sing. We had some of them
that were capable of and dancing with us. It was
absolutely a blast. I had such a good time. And
the people that I went with are phenomenal, I mean,
(03:13):
amazing souls. I just absolutely love them.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So music is good for the soul.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Absolutely. It brings the masses together. It it heels, it
causes memories. You know, you get melancholy, you get sad,
you get happy, you get you know, love, it's fun.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
There's so many emotions built up in it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
So happy to say that. We had a great crew
and a lot of great singers that were out there.
And it was funny because every time a new person
walked in, they'd say I don't ever sing, I don't sing,
and then the next thing you know, they get up
there and they belt it out like they've been singing
in their shower for the last thirty years. I call
out an over disclosure. Don't come into a karaoke event
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and say I don't sing and then get up there
and knock it out on.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
The It's a thing. That's the one thing that Dennis
and I had in common was aside from this was
the music, and I gave him a brand new guitar
when he came to move in. He says, you want
me to have this guitar? I said, I bought it,
I used it once, but I'm just not into guitar anymore.
And so that's the one thing that we definitely had
(04:22):
in comment. And I can tell you Dennis had the
Olympic guitar. He could play those riffs.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Well, and he was personally amazing.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
He was personal friends with the band Tesla, so evidently he,
you know, spent a lot of time around that band.
And I'm sorry that I didn't get an opportunity to
meet them. He did, at one point in time want
to solicit them for support in his endeavor, and I
thought we were going to meet him meet them, but
we did not. Either way, Yes, you're absolutely correct. It
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moves the masses. So I always often wonder when an
artist who does move the masses, like Elvis Presley or
John Denver, Bob Marlea and these people, you know, die
at an age which is way too early for their time,
exactly what was going on there? I mean, if these
people can pull together millions of people enjoy and harmony
(05:15):
I'm sure that's something that the separatist does not want
to have happen, all right, So we're going to follow
up with what I believe we're going to be the
final answers in the Peter Wilson case. I did receive
the final letter back that answered all of the questions
that I've been looking for, and I think most of
our listeners have been listening or looking for as well.
(05:38):
So we're going to start with the why he had
his money in a safety deposit box the big The
answer to that is and he sent me seven different
letters from Bank of America. So evidently he was banking
with Bank of America and he was consistently having his
deposits misplaced placed into other people's accounts. His checks were
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bouncing because his deposits being deposited into his account. And
I've never seen so many apology letters from a bank
in my life. Inside of about three years, this man
had lost several deposits and had several issues, and it
was apology after apology after apology. So he finally went
to Wells Fargo and he opened a safety deposit box
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because he was informed that there were two keys involved
with this one that the bank would have that could
not open the box independently one that he would have,
So it require both of them to actively use those
keys to get into his safe deposit box, and that's
where he felt his money was safe. The question was
how did he have access to three hundred and four
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hundred thousand dollars in this particular scenario, being a thirty
one year old student Stanford renting a room.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
The answer to that is that he had.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Some antique art that he sold one piece in February
for three hundred thousand dollars. That is the three hundred
thousand that he then loaned to him in order to
secure a free position in her house for nine months.
The four hundred thousand that he states was stolen from
his backpack in the illegal search and seizure by Officer
(07:09):
Michael Yore was from the second piece of antique art
that he had sold on March twenty ninth. So talk
about and even I mean, it's like every time I
get more information from this man, he was done so dirty,
and it just seems to get that much worse. So total,
in this act of being framed for this murder, he
has lost seven hundred thousand dollars, because of course Kim's
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family is not even they're not even making a peep
or a word about this money.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
And I'm sure that she had it in cash in
the house.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Had it been in a bank account, it would have
fell into her estate when she passed away, and that
would have been recognized as part of the estate, in
which case mister Wilson could have made a claim against
the estate for that money based on the contract that
he had and had loan her that money. So he
in total lost seven hundred thousand dollars and thirty years
of his life this one act. Now, I did want
(08:02):
to read a couple of his excerpts rather than just
highlighting them myself, and one of those was the testimony
of let's see here of Lloyd Cunningham.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
So basically he wrote me and said Lloyd W.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Cunningham, forensic document examiner, testified in trial the second trial
in February of two thousand for the prosecutor, that three
rent receipts were all prepared freely and fluently. That means
that they were written fairly rapidly, and if somebody was
forging a document, typically the writing is much slower and
sometimes tremulous, and he's absolutely correct. So if she had
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been under dress or she had been under stress, we
would have seen some inconsistencies.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
In that handwriting.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But he's stating that it's written fluidly and freely. That
does not describe somebody who's being forced.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
To write a letter.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's the.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
And then the your accusations, he says the former Paloazzo
police officer Michael Yore unlawfully broke into evidence room in
police department on Sunday, March thirty first, nineteen ninety six
and stole four hundred.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Thousand in cash.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Is Caltrans ticket, which is a receipt that shows he
was out of the city at that time that the
murder was occurring, purchased in San Francisco at eleven thirty
three on Saturday at three thirty, nineteen ninety six, and
a handwritten note for finding a woman's person Rogers Restaurant
(09:28):
at one thirty on Saturday, three thirty, nineteen ninety six,
which we've discussed is the timeframe in which the DA
has pinned down when Miss Kim was killed, and rental
receipts from my backpack and one vial of my reference
blood sample from evidence refrigerator. And now we've all seen
what I've done with the handwriting on that, and it
(09:49):
does indicate and show that Officer Michael Yoor removed one
vial of blood from property evidence on a Sunday with
no intentions of delivering that to the lab because the
lab was not open until Monday, in which case the
balance of the forensic evidence went to the lab. Now,
the four hundred dollars that I was under the impression
(10:10):
that was what was taken from his backpack, he says,
there was also a four hundred dollars inside front pocket
of my backpack, but that wasn't taken, he says, So
they took the four hundred grand, but not the four
hundred dollars. Let's leave some change behind. And we did
see Officer Brooks's report about the search that in seizure
that occurred on April first, based on the search warrant,
(10:32):
and he does indicate small change. But I'm assuming that
that was the four hundred dollars. So you're also perjures
himself in testimony. And I've read all these transcripts, so
anything that I've highlighted in here that I'm going to
speak about I've read the transcript.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
We know that it was entered into court.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
This is not just statements that mister Wilson is telling
me your pursures himself when he testifies to searching and
seizing only on April first, nineteen ninety six with the
officer KL Gibson.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
The evidence obviously supports.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Otherwise, because now we have the alibi note, we have
the receipt from Caltrans, and we have a missing four
hundred thousand dollars that all occurred on March thirty first,
and now explains why the motive for Officer Yore to
so quickly frame mister Wilson for this case. Let's see
Coleman testifies that every Sunday he and Kim go into
(11:23):
the basement for five minutes. I'm not sure what mister
Wilson's insinuation is behind that, whether or not they were
having relations, but that would kind that would kind of
refute the testimony of her family stating that she was
not involved with any other men after her divorce. But
it doesn't also say that they were having sexual relations.
(11:44):
And if they were having sexual relations and they were
going down into the basements every Sunday for five or
so minutes. He wouldn't have had to have raped her
because obviously, if he's insinuating that they're having affairs, why
would he have to.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Rape her and murder her.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Mister Wilson is Canadian, so we did confirm that miss
Kim sells the cleaner, So this was another question. When
did she sell the cleaners, How did this transpire? Why
did she need this money from mister Wilson. Miss Kim
sells the cleaners in nineteen eighty eight. I want to
say that this was right around the time when her
son was actually arrested for drug trafficking and money laundry,
(12:24):
and two of the vehicles that were found at his
house that were seized were actually either part owned by
Kim or owned by the cleaners itself, so that may
have been a way to raise the money for his defense.
I'm not exactly sure, but it said that she profited
approximately twenty to thirty thousand dollars. She then turns around
and buys a video store that she sells in nineteen
(12:45):
ninety two, and at the time of her death, she
had only six to seven thousand dollars in her bank account,
and that's per her son's testimony, so he's not stating
anything in regards to this three hundred thousand that Wilson
has lent her. And of course he seems to almost
even be directing testimony of other people. There's testimony in
(13:08):
the trial transcripts that indicate that the bailiff or the
deputy had watched mister Kim, which is Miss Kim's son
sitting in the courtroom nodding his head, shaking his head
as if to instruct and direct her sister to say
the right things. He indicates that she had very little left,
that she was living off of this the money from
(13:31):
the sales of these businesses, but that all of a
sudden she came up with some unknown money, he says.
Now in one part of his testimony, he says that
he was very much aware of all her business transactions
because he was basically a partner in all of it.
But then turn around and said, some unknown source of
money was going to help her buy a dairy bell.
So that's what she was attempting to do with this
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money that had been lent to her by mister Wilson.
She had placed an offer on March eleventh for eighty
thousand dollars. The the seller of the dairy bell counteroffered
for one hundred and twenty thousand, so they were in
negotiations over her buying this particular I don't know if
a dairy bell is like.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
A dairy queen or what.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Back in nineteen ninety six what that was called, but
it was basically kind of a little restaurant type deal.
And Kim's son also testified that Kim had no income
from nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety six except for
the nine hundred and seventy five dollars a month from renters,
and then she received the balance of support to make
her house payment, to get food, to pay her bills
(14:36):
from somebody named doctor Kang. So he's trying to make
it appear as though she has kind of a sugar daddy.
So why some random individuals going to be paying her bills?
Doesn't really scream she's not involved with other guys, because
she obviously if she isn't just you know, using him
for the money that he's providing for her his support,
then she might have some type of affairs with him.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
They sell milkshakes and tacos.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I don't I don't know what they said.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Right, spicy, spicy tacos.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Maybe the owner sounds like a band of three.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Maybe when the owner.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Sold the dairy bells, he created Taco bell and dairy queen.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Before.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
But it was very interesting to see Richard's her Son's
testimony in these trial transcripts because he was extremely wishy
washy when it came to funds, and for him to
say some unknown source of money, as if he wasn't aware,
he would have found this contract that they had made
in regards to the three hundred thousand, He would have
found the three hundred thousand. How was it that she
was going to come up with eighty thousand or one
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hundred and twenty thousand dollars for this particular establishment unless
she had cash on hand, since we know she only
had six to seven thousand dollars in.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Her bank account.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
She couldn't ref finance her house to pull the equity out,
and she didn't have that rental property that she claimed
to mister Wilson she was trying to sell and cover
the rents and tell that property sold.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
So there's a whole lot of not telling the truth
going on here on miss Kim's side.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Roso is your hypothesis that the money went to the
sun to help him drug.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know what, No, because I landed on some research
that indicates, like I said last time we were following up,
that he's in the Sara He owns property in Saratoga,
which again is another high end area. He he owns
a business or is the CEO of an LED business
that makes LED screens for all different types of technical devices.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Got to that point, actually.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
He had enough money to go clean and to go straight,
and maybe maybe if there's any way to track how
all of that occurred and started, maybe there's a way
to track that money. But I'm feeling bad for mister
Wilson because thirty years is a really long time. Most
of your bank only they only keep records for thirty
years or for ten years and some seven. So it's
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insane to try and go back and track this money
or obviously get Richard Kim to in fact the fact
that he found three hundred thousand dollars in Mattress money.
But there's enough evidence to show that miss Kim was
given that money by mister Wilson. So Coleman testifies that
he deposits cash for rent along with Wilson's rent check
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into Kim's Union Bank account monthly.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
And that's the proof that Wilson had been paying rent.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Despite what you found, Harriet, which indicated that he had
not been paying rent and that he was trying to
do some type of finiggling to you know, abscond with
Kim's house.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Simply not true.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Mister Wilson said that he paid or mister Coleman said
that he paid cash, and eventually I guess Miss Kim
didn't want cash anymore, so she would sign the check
that mister Wilson would give her. She would give that
to Coleman, and Coleman would take and deposit it at
the bank for her. So again that kind of screams
a little more personal interactions between her and Coleman, because
(18:10):
I'm not going to go make somebody's deposit for him.
That's your business. Go handle your business.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, I got I get some things to add to this,
and maybe I'll set aside some time to do more
lining up the ducks. But there is something that matches
around in the eighties to circle nineteen ninety that a
major drug bus had happened in this area where this
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guy was going to pick up stuff at the taxi
years a few years earlier, and that some people got
arrested and people got in trouble. So fast forward, that
was the tail end of the one of the cartels,
the big cartels. He dies Bubu Escobar and works into
the Cali cartel. And if you owed anybody, even from
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the past, they went to versions with the collect three
hundred thousand dollars with interest. So I was saying, my god,
I'm finding something that's matching there this cross connection.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Well, the evidence is actually kind of winding out that
it may not have been a money laundrying situation for her,
at least partially because she's considering buying something else.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
She's looking like a money laundering operation and that's the
form of blackmail for these people.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Well, what I'm saying, what I'm saying is I'm not
believing the cartel connection anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
It was nineteen eighty eight eight.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
That's this, no, no, no, eight years before her death.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Her son was money.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
That's what you do. Anyways, we'll keep going.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
My point is is that she there was evidence to
suggest she was looking to invest and this was from
word of mouth that two friends by the other friends
of mister Wilson, who understood what it was that mister
Wilson was engaging into with miss Kim in this business transaction.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
So the fact that.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
She's going to go invest eighty to one hundred and
twenty thousand into this business does not scream money laundering
at screams she was legitimately looking to do an investment
to make money so that she could live because she
had no income for approximately four or five years. So
Coleman also testified that he, oh, I got that.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And as far as a cigarette butt that's found down
in the basement, mister Wilson indicates that no one in
the house smokes, not even mister Coleman. So is that
evidence of a even further third party culpability outside of
Coleman himself. So it's getting a little oh shady up
there as far as whether or not Coleman is the
one that committed the crime, because now we have a
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cigarette butt that should have tested out for some DNA
that may or may not have matched either of Coleman
or Wilson forensic testing by Nancy Marte. So we asked
about whether or not he had blood underneath his fingernails
or if there was blood of Miss Kims on his
bandages or anything that would indicate that he had committed
this crime at the outl well. They obviously backdated in
about twelve hours, but I would have thought that had
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he killed her, he would have had her blood somewhere
on him, and he had been gone since two pm
the earlier day.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Freshly bandage, they.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Did not find any of Miss Kim's blood underneath his fingernails.
The Nancy Marte, the criminalist, said that she found what
she considered to be debris, but not blood all of
the bandages. They tested a few of the large pieces
of bandages that were on the outside of his wrap,
and there were no blood sources from Miss Kim on
that either. So again we have somebody completely clear and clean,
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and all of the forensics are indicating that her blood
is not on him. Yet they're claiming his blood was
on her without any damages to support that. There was
no cuts, there was nothing on his hands or otherwise
to indicate he would have bled all over Miss Kim
at the time she had been killed. Child transcripts indicate
that there's a request to impeach Kim's sister, and that's
(21:59):
because the Sun is alone, and that's when the deputy
of the court witnessed and informed mister Parkasu that after
Richard Kim's testimony, he remained in the courtroom during Miss
Shin's testimony. Now, if you remember, Miss Shin is Miss
Kim's sister, and they went to the police department after
her son had been arrested, and they had seized twenty
thousand dollars from the trunk of a car that was
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co owned by Kim Richard Kim and hawked you Kim,
and the sister claimed that she had removed that money
from the bank the twenty thousand it belonged to her.
She took it out of the bank because she was
filing for benefits through the county to get low income housing,
and that her and Kim had borrowed the car, which
makes no sense to me. They live in two totally
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different towns. If Kim has got her own BMW, why
would she drive all the way to her sons to
pick up his Mustang to go shopping at the Oriental store.
In which case, Miss Shin had deposited that twenty thousand
into the trunk forgetting about it and leaving it for
it to be actually seized by the police department. And
mind you, it was wrapped in two black plastic trash
(23:00):
bags that reeked of pot so probably not her money,
but they were both willing to stand up tell this
lie in order to try and get.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
This money back. And maybe that money was what what.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Miss Kim thought would be a defense for her son
and ultimately ended up having to sell the cleaners in
order to provide a defense for him.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Who knows.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
So basically the daughter or the sisters admitting under oath
that she was about to commit some sort of fraud
to get.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Us yep, and they walked right on into the police department.
The night after Richard Kim had been arrested and the
money had been seized from the car that was all
an impound, walked right into the police department and told
the police that.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Suffering the lesser of the two crimes.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Testimony in this case is shady testimony. Shay, how was
the drink? And vic I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Because because the DA, the DA was successful in getting
all of the evidence of third party culpability. Uh yeah, exactly,
So basically he had no defense and and her her
belief was we don't want to the DA's belief is
we don't want to confuse the jury or waste the
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jury's time. The hell you say you're looking at convicting
a man for murder. It's the rest of his life
that you have imprisoned him. The hell you say he
doesn't have a defense, that is his only defense.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
He didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
It's not no, So it says he Richard Kimryman, exactly exactly.
All all evidence should be a play. When I go
into the courtroom and the opposition tries to get me
impeached or state that I'm I'm you know, not fit
(24:52):
for testimony, or what.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Have you, it is ultimately always granted.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I'm always accepted and qualified as an expert. And I
think it was because most judges are afraid of an
appeals process. They don't want it to come up on
a peel because they violated that individual's rights. So in
this case, he should have been given full reign to
test all of the forensics, to get the tests that
the DA had completed themselves. So remember again she also
(25:18):
excluded at the trial all the forensic testing of the seamen,
the sperm, the cigarette, but everything was excluded from that
second trial.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
That's terrible, and to the defensive journey and the judge
to step up at that point and to fight back.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
And we saw Harsku.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
We saw mister Parsku attempting to do that in the
testimony that I read off.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
He was trying to get the judge.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
No, the judge did not back him that. That was
a sad state of affairs. And the other side of
that is that the forensic testing and on those items
were never provided to the defense, so they never got
it in the first place.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
That's what's holding for the worst trial.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
How long afterwards did the DNA become a judge that year? Yeah,
I think we were already rubbed elbows.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
She was supposed to I think take her seat in
two thousand and two, but she was granted that seat
in two thousand and she took it early.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
So that's been basically the research I read.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
All right, So this is something new that I just
discovered because we keep talking about who removed these two
particular pages, And every time I looked at the entry
and that's up here on this right hand corner, right
here where it says.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I, oh where'd you go? Oh hello, No, I did
not want to do that. No, all right, we're still there.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
So basically up here on this right hand corner, it
says I removed page nine and it has some assemblance
of looks like initials rather than a signature, and I
removed page one twenty six. When I initially looked at these,
these were obviously not something that looks like Officer yours signature.
We can see his signature down here on the bottom
of the left hand side, and so I didn't naturally
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take a look at these thinking that it was him.
And since there's so many accusations by mister Wilson that
the DA was involved with the cover up, that I thought,
maybe this could be Linda Condra and Linda Ruth Condren.
This almost looks like it could be an l RC.
But I started to look, and this little area up
here at the top of the D is something that's
really bothered me.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I thought, who makes a D like that?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And basically what's happening here is that they're extending from
the left up to the right. They're drawing down and
then back around and then ending underneath the actual bowl
of the D, which is why we do not see
a tail sticking down. There's no ending to this D
that you would see in the natural formation. And so
I it had bothered me for quite some time, figuring
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that that is going to be a characteristic we should
be able to find in the individual author's handwriting. So
I went back and started looking at the evidence logs
that were the interviews of different people that mister Yore
had filled out. And when I found this, we'll we
see this D right here in medical and we see
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that this E comes up and under and straight up
to the top of that stem. It comes back down
and it wraps around, leaving no tail at the bottom.
I thought, holy crap, that I just find the individual
who removed these pages. So I went a little further,
and I started to look at other things, like the
way the E actually works its way into the N,
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the N being dropped down and the E rising up
above that letter N.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
And when I looked over here, we saw the same thing.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
We've got this E that's way above, and we've got
this letter M that is dropped down below. So again
it's kind of a ratio and a relationship of those
particular letters. And it even occurs in the second one
over here, For once again the E is higher than
the M, and the M is bounced down a level.
So I looked at the letter.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
It's really strange writing.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I think that this at this up here is very
strange because not many people do it. And I'm checking
in with one of the with my professor in graphology,
to see how many times she thinks she might have
seen this in her life, because I, honestly I don't
see people doing this. She don't usually tent from a
lower case letter up to the stem of another letter.
And we see that Michael Yore is actually doing that.
(29:30):
And then I looked at all his v's in interview,
and this one particular V right here that has the
red line underneath it. If you look up there, it
is identical in shape and form and relation to the
other letters around it. I was like, holy crap, we
might be onto something here.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
And the fact that he if he did remove it,
he may have signed it in a way or manipulated
his handwriting in a way that it couldn't be determined
who it was that removed it, so they couldn't call
him out. And one of his like a.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
First grader, and the signature's kind of fancy it's really
odd colminations.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Well, and it's not.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
And when I see I see these tremors, I see
these these bulkiness, these angles.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
It's not like it's written with fluidity and speed.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
If we go back to what Cunningham had said about
fluidity and speed, these look like they're lacking it, almost
as somebody's faking it. So when you fake something you're
not familiar with, you're gonna have that slow, awkward drawing
that's tremulous, just like he stated in somebody who was
writing slowly. So I'm starting to think now that this
is likely. And the number nine matched, the p's match,
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the number six is matched. The two looks a little
bit awkward, especially when you write this fluid and smoothly.
That looks very very strange to me. It doesn't look
like it's natural at all. But that's gonna be the
avenue that I focus.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
On for this comery year.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Now let's go to another spot because I think it
shows this letter D even better. So, now do we
see in the word on the right hand side dated,
we can see that e how it draws right up
through the center of the ball and into the stem
back down, wraps around counterclockwise, leaving no tail or stem
on the right hand.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Side of the D.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I thought, holy crap, I think this might be the
person who did it. We also have got this connection
or this flat top R, which we see happening in
one of these. Again, I'm looking for something that's written
more freely, something that isn't like a police officers are
taught to write a certain way to be clear so
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that everybody can understand the communication, so sometimes that's not
always as natural for them. This may be a more
natural handwriting for mister Yore where this is I need
everybody to be able to read it writing either way.
He is doing something over and over again in the
letter D where he's trailing that letter all the way
up to the top of that stem. And that's what
we're seeing happen here in the D and I removed.
(31:59):
So that's where we're going to. Let's move on. We
are done with that more handwriting though. So last week
we left off on the nineteen eighty seven October twenty eighth,
nineteen eighty seven Zodiac communication, which is kind of deemed
as another Halloween communication as we know that the zodiac
had submitted back during his reign as the Zodiac Killer,
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and some of the things that I was pointing out
here were going to be these letter ds, because these
are in the presentation, and we have talked about these.
But if you look at these letter ds and in
comparison to the d's in the nineteen eighty six letter
that was confirmed by Terrence Pascal as being from the
Zodiac Killer, you'll see that those letter ds are consistent
with each other. And these communications were one year apart, everybody,
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nineteen eighty six, nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
We go into the g's, we have these tiny little
bulls with these very long tails. You go over into
the SLA letter.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Or into the let's see where we found oh up
over here on the side in the word speaking again,
tiny little bull, very long gated, actual stem of the
G which is consistent between the two.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Let's see d's, g's, oh scratch outs. Let's talk about
the heavy scratch outs. I mean, clearly, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Question the letter on the bottom right, where does that
come from?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
That is a letter that the Zodiac Killer wrote, and
he's writing it at your time, at the time, Patty
Hurst is in the mix of everything.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
If that helps you identify so.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Basically, we've got you know, we've been talking about how
Hearst's involvement with these communications being passed and forth is evident.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And then of course we have the.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Major media mogul's daughter who's what supposedly kidnapped, brainwashed, commits
a bank robbery and then gets off and is pardoned
at some point in time either way, that's what that
one was from. So basically, and then the A friend
is a sign off that we see in these communications,
or a version of the mo of a sign off.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
But when I was.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Looking at these little scratch outs here and there, now,
of course these ones go up and down. These ones
are up and down and side to side, like he's
literally trying to obliterate whatever it is that he was
trying to or started to say in order to recreate
that sentence. But here we've got sideways, sideways, up and down,
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up and down, up and here. So I find that
the crossouts are just they're going basically in the same directions.
They're just as heavy. They're literating and making it impossible
to see what was written underneath it, and that is
consistent with these authors as well.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
There's still you don't know, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
It's perfect though.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, yeah, literally, all right, so that brings us to
your solve, Harriet, yay.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
And I just so, and that's flying, and then we'll
it'll be mentioned briefly in that Whilac envelope.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
But yet we're not to the.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It's but that's the song when I got it. I
got it right here.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
No, no, no, but I'm not. I'm not at that
one yet. No, well, let me control the shell.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Want me to read it?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yes, so I want to be what I want to.
I want to preempt everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
First.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
This is the ninth April nineteen seventy eight letter that
they tried to convince everybody was a fraud or a
forgery by Tashi.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Which I do not find.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
I find that this was absolutely written by the Zodiac Killer,
and I believe other document examiners believe that as well.
So this one was the dear editor. This is the
Zodiac speaking. I am back with you. Tell herb Kane,
I'm here, I've always been here, that city pig. Tashi
is good, but I am smarter and better. He will
get tired then leave me alone. I am waiting for
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a good movie about me.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Who will play me.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I am in control of all things yours truly and
zodiac symbol guests, So go ahead and read your soul
for that.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
But this is the I am crackproof stanographic code. But
I'll still read it though, because there's a separate one
for the other one.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
We're going to get to that one. We're gonna get
to just read this one.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Now, this is this is ion crackproof. So it says
it comes out as to the sloppy ace Detective Toshi,
the Irishman is to bludge in the shitty screen actor
chef Gus star Bug, District of Columbia, Commander in Chief
Carter Pause to paint scockstale Arizona wall sideways with Bob
(36:41):
greens and blood.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Okay, so then this is the other letter. This is
not this one?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, this is because there there is the original one.
That's what it was reused in the in the linl
like envelope. So there's two. There's two, so so I
can read that one too.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
I'm not there yet. I'm trying to understand this one.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
So the im crack proof really is the stenographic code
and solved from the nineteen eighty seven letters.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Wait, Oh no, this is nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Oh okay, so this is solved.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I just don't understand the Car movie because this doesn't
reference the Car Movie.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Oh no, it's in there.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
It's no, it's not not in this one.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
It's in it's in the I am crack proof here.
It is.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
On it's it's not. The mention of the Car movie
is not in this communication.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Is this one.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
It's just I just read.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I just read the communication. It does not The Car
is the nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, no, that's nineteen. No, that movie came out in
nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Seventy seven. It came out in seventy seven. Yes, the
Car Movie came out here in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
So listen, I just keep moving because there's two letters
from nineteen seventy eight. One is the prep Prooved and
the other one's in control of all Things.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
So now you're saying the nineteen eighty seven letter was
written in nineteen seventy eight instead of nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
No, the fact simile was, and it's included in there.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
I'm confused. I know where I'm seed. Everybody, guys, this
is the nineteen seventy eight letter.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
You're stating that, but I because I'm reading the top
where it says the car movie, there's no mention. There's
a mention about a movie, but he's talking about who
will play him in a movie, not the car. The
car comes here next. Let's just go to that one.
So basically, we we then looked and found, like I
said on zodiacsifirst dot com, and found the lilac em
(38:41):
Look what you're talking about. This one is written to
the Valeo Times Herald versus the other one that was
written to the San Francisco Chronicle and indicating that it
was written October twenty eighth of nineteen eighty seven as
another or close to Halloween communication. And I think that
he is talking about Halloween night in this particular one.
(39:03):
But you went ahead and did a decode not only
on the letter itself, but also on the envelope.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Oh yeah, I mean I wasn't thinking I was going
to go delving back into the nineteenth century with this one,
but yeah, well you keep going of this. This is amazing,
this weird coincidence. So I had to identify everything possible
on the envelope, and we had a discussion about that.
(39:30):
We believe this was nineteen eighty seven. Nineteen eighty eight
is every and anyways, to make that long story short,
I saw six stamps there. I did everything I could
to identify it. And those two big stamps that are
from nineteen eighty five or commemorative size stamps, they are huge.
(39:54):
And then everything in there has something to do with
what happened with the Civil War eighteen hundred. It's eighteen sixties,
eighteen eighties. I mean, next thing I know, I'm looking
at Jack the river stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Okay, but there's only two stamps on this envelope.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Not no, there's six. I saw six in there. You
can barely see there's two. There's two sideways right in
the middle, one sideways, the other ones up, and then
there's another sideways and they're kind of like crammed in.
And Jack did something like a like an early version
of a photoshop with the xerox thing, and they're crammed
(40:29):
in and you're supposed to identify everything. And I found
these stamps in there, and then they all those.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Box So you're saying these boxes to oh, yeah, this
flag is secondary stamps.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Because there's stamps kind of looking like they're on top
of each other. We've seen that before with other of
the stuff that he's done, where you see the pictures
they're kind of crammed in and they're they're really sideways,
upside down, et cetera.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
So American flag stamps or those are tunes below them there, Yeah,
I see, Okay, let's you know.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
I see four.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
If what you're saying is these extracurriculars, I see secondary stamps.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
So anyways to make a long to board box box box, and.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Because they're they're barely there. And then when I was
looking for the other half of the stamps that were
matching this from nineteen eighty five from London, those are
the blurry stamps that I found just like that, so
anyways make more blurrier. It's a really complex process. But
I looked at those and they are telling about the history,
(41:44):
not just their history in London, it's the history of
the postal service. The very first person who was on
the first ever adhesive stamp was Queen Victoria, and it
got very popular with the Lilac penny, which is eighteen
eighty one, eighteen eighties, I mean eighteen eighty eight especially,
(42:07):
so once I saw that. I said, Holy crap, I'm
in Jack the Ripper and I didn't think I was
going to. And I've been doing Jack the Ripper stuff
since i was in the hospital. It's really weird. My
head was just blowing a gas kitten.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Did any stamps down here have the Queen on them?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (42:26):
I have.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Let me see if I can get my picture of it.
I was so excited.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
About, here's the color version. I do have the color
version in here.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
She's there there.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
That's seventeen the history.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Of not only there's stamp history, it's the world's history.
She's the first person ever on a n Heva stamp.
And it has to do with eighteen thirty seven and
eighteen forty and then our people went over to England
to create that first step. Their Americans evolved New England
and then this get really bizarre Sclimbone Society stenographic code.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
All right, let's hold, let's let's get there. Let's let's
get there.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
All right, So on this I have the lilac envelope.
And you you believe that that lilac is a tie
back to the lilac penny.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
What is the lilac?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh, definitely, it's the world's most first historic stamp. I'm
so excited about it. If I had money I get Anyways,
it's it's very historic, and then that ties into our
actual postal service system because it gets started there in
London and it's it's amazing. So it's too much to
(43:39):
get involved with.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Right, you.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Have to soolve on this envelope and I'm on page
one of two here, well, I actually have both of
them up page one, Yes of it?
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Do you want to go ahead and read what you believe?
Let's just do that envelope.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yes, it's what what I got is April second, two
thousand and five. President George H. W. Bush and son
President George W. Bush fac simile that it's a fax
at the time, and it's I got the time in there,
six thirty four pm Eastern time. His Holiness, the Totus
(44:17):
TUIs nine nine nine Pope died. I'm mad again. He's
fully stressing his head is blown, and then the same
please will be use remedium AA, which is alcoholics anonymous.
We're ceremony. And then he's calming down. He's saying, I'm
on a mission NASA, goddamn effort to die. I'm to
(44:41):
gut him July fourteenth, two thousand and five, and the
BNS Railroad is to run Robert Abeloba. That happened. Anyways,
regarding your request, this is where my head was blowing
on three fourth, two thousand and five. That's my birthday.
By the way, is this way? I said July thirty first,
(45:03):
nineteen sixty nine for r As Randolph appercenterst the big
news story plugged by the media newspapers. Please rush to
editor George Henningson. That's the editor, Zodiac Letters, Balo Times
header Harold Balao, California. But it's a brieved calyp anyways,
(45:25):
ninety four five nine zero envelope. You're asking, yes, I
can crack r A sent opt nineteen eighty seven Centennial
of eighteen eighty seven events, brown envelope from one A
North Saint John's, Newfoundland, Canada to England, Great Britain with
(45:49):
four Royal mail seventeen P. The seventeen P. You're not
going to understand why that's important.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
So I always say that, okay.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Yeah, seventeen p stamps two sideways nineteen eighty five booklet
pain All this is in there, perforations fourteen X fifteen
pause thirty mm. That's anyways, then pause forty one mm.
He can't breathe. He's having trouble breathing. So anyways, with
two total twenty two cents, Frank J. Whisle like stamps
(46:21):
flag over Capitol Hill Building, please focus on the blurry
three fifties anniversary stamp has historic first adhesive stamp reference
to eighteen thirty seven Queen Victoria image used for eighteen
forty historic first, and then he's pausing Bureau of Printing
(46:43):
and Engraving. That's our side of the stamps booklet pain.
Frank wasla today. I sent proof I can crack Randolph
Apperson for his father, William Randolph Apper Stender's father. Oh,
my god, Jack the Ripper letters I sent both facsimile
of nineteen seventy eight Zodiac era a letter with similar
(47:07):
centergraphic code found in Jack the Ripper Communications of Postcarden letters.
My god, I was my head was blowing. Anyways, dear editor,
the Zodiac printing night way, it's misspelled VPD deshero catch
me if can guess. That's a question. So with the
(47:28):
missing punctus interrogativeness, you're going to get that. But anyways,
the symbol now known as question mark and the letter
is missing exclamation marks, just like Jack the Ripper ones,
this is all in this anyways the truth. Wait a minute,
the symbols zodiac symbol that has code keys, and then
(47:51):
it's saying, oh FYI to tell the truth tttt his
favorite thing. I also provided sent my d on the
Robert Graysmith Halloween card envelope in the adhesib at He's
of earth Rise stamp is xerox copied my printing of
the nine to four nine five zero Valeo calif envelope
(48:14):
using a lilac color paper for to prove I can
crack the circa eighteen eighty eight Lilac penny stamp or
a HER's father's William Grand offers Jack the Ripper letters
said to Scotland Yard here of Queen Elizabeth again. Sent
in nineteen eighty seven v CIA in an IBM PC
(48:39):
four forty computer using tat tattletale Dennis Kaufman's America Online account.
My god, he had one identification and based on very
limited IBM color data the OPT one nine eighteen eighty
eight Saucy Jack postcard photo review or he had looked.
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He found the same code keys The code keys are
President Benjamin Harrison in the same Scole and Bone's Society
Standard graph system. I know how to create these. I
know he's saying this. Such coded missives by so again
I can crack them. Civil War Lincoln, Confederate Secret Service
(49:22):
spy John Saratt the second and messages to William Randolph
Heurst you photo roviewer are printed. Both the SP seventeen
that's abbreviation for September eighteen eighty eight and SP twenty seventh.
There's one's a postcard, one state letter anyways, eighteen eighty eight.
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One is the postcard. The other is a letter which has.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Okay and two seconds. I'm sorry to have to cut
you off, Harriet. Oh my god, run out of time.
I know we're gonna have to come. We're going to
have to come back to it and finish that off
for everybody next week.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
So we'll start that one over here at time. I'll
have some questions for you.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
Yeah, you guys are the brother of Mary Sarat.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
We don't We're gonna.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
We're gonna you guys, we have to tell Yes, we'll
cover all of this next week. Thank you both for
being here, and we'll get with you guys. Everybody, have
a wonderful weekend and we'll see you next Friday.
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good morning, True Seekers and True crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
To just start off the show this morning with something fabulous.
I did an event last night which I volunteered to
drive the kJ.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
To Oakland, California.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
In which case we were hosted by Sutter Hospital Cancer
Patients Ward where we brought music, fun and support to
the community, helping those that are kind of.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Stuck in their sickness or their illness.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
And not really having a lot going on, because when
you feel that way, you don't really get out to events,
you don't get really out of the hospital in some cases.
So we brought karaoke to them and we had a
wonderful evening. It was our first little pilot program, I
believe because it appears as though it's something that may
take off. The doctor that invited us out is part
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of alternative medicines, which I applaud her for. Western medicine
isn't always the only way to go. So we're seeing
the combination or the infusion of Western and Eastern medicine.
She does acupuncture and she feels that music is something
that could help heal the soul, provide happiness, and that's
(02:09):
exactly what we saw last night.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
So thank thank you to the doctor, thank you to
Sutter for allowing us to put this on.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
And I hope that eventually it extends to more hospitals,
maybe even to the children's ward of the cancer patients,
so that they can have a little bit of fun
as well. We know how much children love to sing,
So on my soapbox, I'm going to welcome Harriet Soouchet
to the show.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Good morning, good morning, great show today.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yes it is as long as my voice holds out,
because we did a lot of singing last night.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
We both can blab a lot. We can do it well.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I again, if you heard that intro there, I went
to the Oakland County or Oakland, California, Sutter Hospital and
we performed a karaoke show which the patients were able
to get up and sing. We had some of them
that were capable of and dancing with us. It was
absolutely a blast. I had such a good time. And
the people that I went with are phenomenal, I mean,
(03:13):
amazing souls. I just absolutely love them.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So music is good for the soul.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Absolutely. It brings the masses together. It it heels, it
causes memories. You know, you get melancholy, you get sad,
you get happy, you get you know, love, it's fun.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
There's so many emotions built up in it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
So happy to say that. We had a great crew
and a lot of great singers that were out there.
And it was funny because every time a new person
walked in, they'd say I don't ever sing, I don't sing,
and then the next thing you know, they get up
there and they belt it out like they've been singing
in their shower for the last thirty years. I call
out an over disclosure. Don't come into a karaoke event
(03:56):
and say I don't sing and then get up there
and knock it out on.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
The It's a thing. That's the one thing that Dennis
and I had in common was aside from this was
the music, and I gave him a brand new guitar
when he came to move in. He says, you want
me to have this guitar? I said, I bought it,
I used it once, but I'm just not into guitar anymore.
And so that's the one thing that we definitely had
(04:22):
in comment. And I can tell you Dennis had the
Olympic guitar. He could play those riffs.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Well, and he was personally amazing.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
He was personal friends with the band Tesla, so evidently he,
you know, spent a lot of time around that band.
And I'm sorry that I didn't get an opportunity to
meet them. He did, at one point in time want
to solicit them for support in his endeavor, and I
thought we were going to meet him meet them, but
we did not. Either way, Yes, you're absolutely correct. It
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moves the masses. So I always often wonder when an
artist who does move the masses, like Elvis Presley or
John Denver, Bob Marlea and these people, you know, die
at an age which is way too early for their time,
exactly what was going on there? I mean, if these
people can pull together millions of people enjoy and harmony
(05:15):
I'm sure that's something that the separatist does not want
to have happen, all right, So we're going to follow
up with what I believe we're going to be the
final answers in the Peter Wilson case. I did receive
the final letter back that answered all of the questions
that I've been looking for, and I think most of
our listeners have been listening or looking for as well.
(05:38):
So we're going to start with the why he had
his money in a safety deposit box the big The
answer to that is and he sent me seven different
letters from Bank of America. So evidently he was banking
with Bank of America and he was consistently having his
deposits misplaced placed into other people's accounts. His checks were
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bouncing because his deposits being deposited into his account. And
I've never seen so many apology letters from a bank
in my life. Inside of about three years, this man
had lost several deposits and had several issues, and it
was apology after apology after apology. So he finally went
to Wells Fargo and he opened a safety deposit box
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because he was informed that there were two keys involved
with this one that the bank would have that could
not open the box independently one that he would have,
So it require both of them to actively use those
keys to get into his safe deposit box, and that's
where he felt his money was safe. The question was
how did he have access to three hundred and four
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hundred thousand dollars in this particular scenario, being a thirty
one year old student Stanford renting a room.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
The answer to that is that he had.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Some antique art that he sold one piece in February
for three hundred thousand dollars. That is the three hundred
thousand that he then loaned to him in order to
secure a free position in her house for nine months.
The four hundred thousand that he states was stolen from
his backpack in the illegal search and seizure by Officer
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Michael Yore was from the second piece of antique art
that he had sold on March twenty ninth. So talk
about and even I mean, it's like every time I
get more information from this man, he was done so dirty,
and it just seems to get that much worse. So total,
in this act of being framed for this murder, he
has lost seven hundred thousand dollars, because of course Kim's
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family is not even they're not even making a peep
or a word about this money.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
And I'm sure that she had it in cash in
the house.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Had it been in a bank account, it would have
fell into her estate when she passed away, and that
would have been recognized as part of the estate, in
which case mister Wilson could have made a claim against
the estate for that money based on the contract that
he had and had loan her that money. So he
in total lost seven hundred thousand dollars and thirty years
of his life this one act. Now, I did want
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to read a couple of his excerpts rather than just
highlighting them myself, and one of those was the testimony
of let's see here of Lloyd Cunningham.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
So basically he wrote me and said Lloyd W.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Cunningham, forensic document examiner, testified in trial the second trial
in February of two thousand for the prosecutor, that three
rent receipts were all prepared freely and fluently. That means
that they were written fairly rapidly, and if somebody was
forging a document, typically the writing is much slower and
sometimes tremulous, and he's absolutely correct. So if she had
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been under dress or she had been under stress, we
would have seen some inconsistencies.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
In that handwriting.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But he's stating that it's written fluidly and freely. That
does not describe somebody who's being forced.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
To write a letter.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's the.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
And then the your accusations, he says the former Paloazzo
police officer Michael Yore unlawfully broke into evidence room in
police department on Sunday, March thirty first, nineteen ninety six
and stole four hundred.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Thousand in cash.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Is Caltrans ticket, which is a receipt that shows he
was out of the city at that time that the
murder was occurring, purchased in San Francisco at eleven thirty
three on Saturday at three thirty, nineteen ninety six, and
a handwritten note for finding a woman's person Rogers Restaurant
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at one thirty on Saturday, three thirty, nineteen ninety six,
which we've discussed is the timeframe in which the DA
has pinned down when Miss Kim was killed, and rental
receipts from my backpack and one vial of my reference
blood sample from evidence refrigerator. And now we've all seen
what I've done with the handwriting on that, and it
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does indicate and show that Officer Michael Yoor removed one
vial of blood from property evidence on a Sunday with
no intentions of delivering that to the lab because the
lab was not open until Monday, in which case the
balance of the forensic evidence went to the lab. Now,
the four hundred dollars that I was under the impression
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that was what was taken from his backpack, he says,
there was also a four hundred dollars inside front pocket
of my backpack, but that wasn't taken, he says, So
they took the four hundred grand, but not the four
hundred dollars. Let's leave some change behind. And we did
see Officer Brooks's report about the search that in seizure
that occurred on April first, based on the search warrant,
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and he does indicate small change. But I'm assuming that
that was the four hundred dollars. So you're also perjures
himself in testimony. And I've read all these transcripts, so
anything that I've highlighted in here that I'm going to
speak about I've read the transcript.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
We know that it was entered into court.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
This is not just statements that mister Wilson is telling
me your pursures himself when he testifies to searching and
seizing only on April first, nineteen ninety six with the
officer KL Gibson.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
The evidence obviously supports.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Otherwise, because now we have the alibi note, we have
the receipt from Caltrans, and we have a missing four
hundred thousand dollars that all occurred on March thirty first,
and now explains why the motive for Officer Yore to
so quickly frame mister Wilson for this case. Let's see
Coleman testifies that every Sunday he and Kim go into
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the basement for five minutes. I'm not sure what mister
Wilson's insinuation is behind that, whether or not they were
having relations, but that would kind that would kind of
refute the testimony of her family stating that she was
not involved with any other men after her divorce. But
it doesn't also say that they were having sexual relations.
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And if they were having sexual relations and they were
going down into the basements every Sunday for five or
so minutes. He wouldn't have had to have raped her
because obviously, if he's insinuating that they're having affairs, why
would he have to.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Rape her and murder her.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Mister Wilson is Canadian, so we did confirm that miss
Kim sells the cleaner, So this was another question. When
did she sell the cleaners, How did this transpire? Why
did she need this money from mister Wilson. Miss Kim
sells the cleaners in nineteen eighty eight. I want to
say that this was right around the time when her
son was actually arrested for drug trafficking and money laundry,
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and two of the vehicles that were found at his
house that were seized were actually either part owned by
Kim or owned by the cleaners itself, so that may
have been a way to raise the money for his defense.
I'm not exactly sure, but it said that she profited
approximately twenty to thirty thousand dollars. She then turns around
and buys a video store that she sells in nineteen
(12:45):
ninety two, and at the time of her death, she
had only six to seven thousand dollars in her bank account,
and that's per her son's testimony, so he's not stating
anything in regards to this three hundred thousand that Wilson
has lent her. And of course he seems to almost
even be directing testimony of other people. There's testimony in
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the trial transcripts that indicate that the bailiff or the
deputy had watched mister Kim, which is Miss Kim's son
sitting in the courtroom nodding his head, shaking his head
as if to instruct and direct her sister to say
the right things. He indicates that she had very little left,
that she was living off of this the money from
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the sales of these businesses, but that all of a
sudden she came up with some unknown money, he says.
Now in one part of his testimony, he says that
he was very much aware of all her business transactions
because he was basically a partner in all of it.
But then turn around and said, some unknown source of
money was going to help her buy a dairy bell.
So that's what she was attempting to do with this
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money that had been lent to her by mister Wilson.
She had placed an offer on March eleventh for eighty
thousand dollars. The the seller of the dairy bell counteroffered
for one hundred and twenty thousand, so they were in
negotiations over her buying this particular I don't know if
a dairy bell is like.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
A dairy queen or what.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Back in nineteen ninety six what that was called, but
it was basically kind of a little restaurant type deal.
And Kim's son also testified that Kim had no income
from nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety six except for
the nine hundred and seventy five dollars a month from renters,
and then she received the balance of support to make
her house payment, to get food, to pay her bills
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from somebody named doctor Kang. So he's trying to make
it appear as though she has kind of a sugar daddy.
So why some random individuals going to be paying her bills?
Doesn't really scream she's not involved with other guys, because
she obviously if she isn't just you know, using him
for the money that he's providing for her his support,
then she might have some type of affairs with him.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
They sell milkshakes and tacos.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I don't I don't know what they said.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Right, spicy, spicy tacos.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Maybe the owner sounds like a band of three.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Maybe when the owner.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Sold the dairy bells, he created Taco bell and dairy queen.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Before.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
But it was very interesting to see Richard's her Son's
testimony in these trial transcripts because he was extremely wishy
washy when it came to funds, and for him to
say some unknown source of money, as if he wasn't aware,
he would have found this contract that they had made
in regards to the three hundred thousand, He would have
found the three hundred thousand. How was it that she
was going to come up with eighty thousand or one
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hundred and twenty thousand dollars for this particular establishment unless
she had cash on hand, since we know she only
had six to seven thousand dollars in.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Her bank account.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
She couldn't ref finance her house to pull the equity out,
and she didn't have that rental property that she claimed
to mister Wilson she was trying to sell and cover
the rents and tell that property sold.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
So there's a whole lot of not telling the truth
going on here on miss Kim's side.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Roso is your hypothesis that the money went to the
sun to help him drug.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know what, No, because I landed on some research
that indicates, like I said last time we were following up,
that he's in the Sara He owns property in Saratoga,
which again is another high end area. He he owns
a business or is the CEO of an LED business
that makes LED screens for all different types of technical devices.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Got to that point, actually.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
He had enough money to go clean and to go straight,
and maybe maybe if there's any way to track how
all of that occurred and started, maybe there's a way
to track that money. But I'm feeling bad for mister
Wilson because thirty years is a really long time. Most
of your bank only they only keep records for thirty
years or for ten years and some seven. So it's
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insane to try and go back and track this money
or obviously get Richard Kim to in fact the fact
that he found three hundred thousand dollars in Mattress money.
But there's enough evidence to show that miss Kim was
given that money by mister Wilson. So Coleman testifies that
he deposits cash for rent along with Wilson's rent check
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into Kim's Union Bank account monthly.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
And that's the proof that Wilson had been paying rent.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Despite what you found, Harriet, which indicated that he had
not been paying rent and that he was trying to
do some type of finiggling to you know, abscond with
Kim's house.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Simply not true.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Mister Wilson said that he paid or mister Coleman said
that he paid cash, and eventually I guess Miss Kim
didn't want cash anymore, so she would sign the check
that mister Wilson would give her. She would give that
to Coleman, and Coleman would take and deposit it at
the bank for her. So again that kind of screams
a little more personal interactions between her and Coleman, because
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I'm not going to go make somebody's deposit for him.
That's your business. Go handle your business.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, I got I get some things to add to this,
and maybe I'll set aside some time to do more
lining up the ducks. But there is something that matches
around in the eighties to circle nineteen ninety that a
major drug bus had happened in this area where this
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guy was going to pick up stuff at the taxi
years a few years earlier, and that some people got
arrested and people got in trouble. So fast forward, that
was the tail end of the one of the cartels,
the big cartels. He dies Bubu Escobar and works into
the Cali cartel. And if you owed anybody, even from
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the past, they went to versions with the collect three
hundred thousand dollars with interest. So I was saying, my god,
I'm finding something that's matching there this cross connection.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Well, the evidence is actually kind of winding out that
it may not have been a money laundrying situation for her,
at least partially because she's considering buying something else.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
She's looking like a money laundering operation and that's the
form of blackmail for these people.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Well, what I'm saying, what I'm saying is I'm not
believing the cartel connection anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
It was nineteen eighty eight eight.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
That's this, no, no, no, eight years before her death.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Her son was money.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
That's what you do. Anyways, we'll keep going.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
My point is is that she there was evidence to
suggest she was looking to invest and this was from
word of mouth that two friends by the other friends
of mister Wilson, who understood what it was that mister
Wilson was engaging into with miss Kim in this business transaction.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
So the fact that.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
She's going to go invest eighty to one hundred and
twenty thousand into this business does not scream money laundering
at screams she was legitimately looking to do an investment
to make money so that she could live because she
had no income for approximately four or five years. So
Coleman also testified that he, oh, I got that.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And as far as a cigarette butt that's found down
in the basement, mister Wilson indicates that no one in
the house smokes, not even mister Coleman. So is that
evidence of a even further third party culpability outside of
Coleman himself. So it's getting a little oh shady up
there as far as whether or not Coleman is the
one that committed the crime, because now we have a
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cigarette butt that should have tested out for some DNA
that may or may not have matched either of Coleman
or Wilson forensic testing by Nancy Marte. So we asked
about whether or not he had blood underneath his fingernails
or if there was blood of Miss Kims on his
bandages or anything that would indicate that he had committed
this crime at the outl well. They obviously backdated in
about twelve hours, but I would have thought that had
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he killed her, he would have had her blood somewhere
on him, and he had been gone since two pm
the earlier day.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Freshly bandage, they.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Did not find any of Miss Kim's blood underneath his fingernails.
The Nancy Marte, the criminalist, said that she found what
she considered to be debris, but not blood all of
the bandages. They tested a few of the large pieces
of bandages that were on the outside of his wrap,
and there were no blood sources from Miss Kim on
that either. So again we have somebody completely clear and clean,
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and all of the forensics are indicating that her blood
is not on him. Yet they're claiming his blood was
on her without any damages to support that. There was
no cuts, there was nothing on his hands or otherwise
to indicate he would have bled all over Miss Kim
at the time she had been killed. Child transcripts indicate
that there's a request to impeach Kim's sister, and that's
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because the Sun is alone, and that's when the deputy
of the court witnessed and informed mister Parkasu that after
Richard Kim's testimony, he remained in the courtroom during Miss
Shin's testimony. Now, if you remember, Miss Shin is Miss
Kim's sister, and they went to the police department after
her son had been arrested, and they had seized twenty
thousand dollars from the trunk of a car that was
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co owned by Kim Richard Kim and hawked you Kim,
and the sister claimed that she had removed that money
from the bank the twenty thousand it belonged to her.
She took it out of the bank because she was
filing for benefits through the county to get low income housing,
and that her and Kim had borrowed the car, which
makes no sense to me. They live in two totally
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different towns. If Kim has got her own BMW, why
would she drive all the way to her sons to
pick up his Mustang to go shopping at the Oriental store.
In which case, Miss Shin had deposited that twenty thousand
into the trunk forgetting about it and leaving it for
it to be actually seized by the police department. And
mind you, it was wrapped in two black plastic trash
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bags that reeked of pot so probably not her money,
but they were both willing to stand up tell this
lie in order to try and get.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
This money back. And maybe that money was what what.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Miss Kim thought would be a defense for her son
and ultimately ended up having to sell the cleaners in
order to provide a defense for him.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Who knows.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
So basically the daughter or the sisters admitting under oath
that she was about to commit some sort of fraud
to get.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Us yep, and they walked right on into the police department.
The night after Richard Kim had been arrested and the
money had been seized from the car that was all
an impound, walked right into the police department and told
the police that.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Suffering the lesser of the two crimes.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Testimony in this case is shady testimony. Shay, how was
the drink? And vic I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Because because the DA, the DA was successful in getting
all of the evidence of third party culpability. Uh yeah, exactly,
So basically he had no defense and and her her
belief was we don't want to the DA's belief is
we don't want to confuse the jury or waste the
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jury's time. The hell you say you're looking at convicting
a man for murder. It's the rest of his life
that you have imprisoned him. The hell you say he
doesn't have a defense, that is his only defense.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
He didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
It's not no, So it says he Richard Kimryman, exactly exactly.
All all evidence should be a play. When I go
into the courtroom and the opposition tries to get me
impeached or state that I'm I'm you know, not fit
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for testimony, or what.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Have you, it is ultimately always granted.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I'm always accepted and qualified as an expert. And I
think it was because most judges are afraid of an
appeals process. They don't want it to come up on
a peel because they violated that individual's rights. So in
this case, he should have been given full reign to
test all of the forensics, to get the tests that
the DA had completed themselves. So remember again she also
(25:18):
excluded at the trial all the forensic testing of the seamen,
the sperm, the cigarette, but everything was excluded from that
second trial.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
That's terrible, and to the defensive journey and the judge
to step up at that point and to fight back.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
And we saw Harsku.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
We saw mister Parsku attempting to do that in the
testimony that I read off.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
He was trying to get the judge.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
No, the judge did not back him that. That was
a sad state of affairs. And the other side of
that is that the forensic testing and on those items
were never provided to the defense, so they never got
it in the first place.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
That's what's holding for the worst trial.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
How long afterwards did the DNA become a judge that year? Yeah,
I think we were already rubbed elbows.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
She was supposed to I think take her seat in
two thousand and two, but she was granted that seat
in two thousand and she took it early.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
So that's been basically the research I read.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
All right, So this is something new that I just
discovered because we keep talking about who removed these two
particular pages, And every time I looked at the entry
and that's up here on this right hand corner, right
here where it says.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I, oh where'd you go? Oh hello, No, I did
not want to do that. No, all right, we're still there.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
So basically up here on this right hand corner, it
says I removed page nine and it has some assemblance
of looks like initials rather than a signature, and I
removed page one twenty six. When I initially looked at these,
these were obviously not something that looks like Officer yours signature.
We can see his signature down here on the bottom
of the left hand side, and so I didn't naturally
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take a look at these thinking that it was him.
And since there's so many accusations by mister Wilson that
the DA was involved with the cover up, that I thought,
maybe this could be Linda Condra and Linda Ruth Condren.
This almost looks like it could be an l RC.
But I started to look, and this little area up
here at the top of the D is something that's
really bothered me.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I thought, who makes a D like that?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And basically what's happening here is that they're extending from
the left up to the right. They're drawing down and
then back around and then ending underneath the actual bowl
of the D, which is why we do not see
a tail sticking down. There's no ending to this D
that you would see in the natural formation. And so
I it had bothered me for quite some time, figuring
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that that is going to be a characteristic we should
be able to find in the individual author's handwriting. So
I went back and started looking at the evidence logs
that were the interviews of different people that mister Yore
had filled out. And when I found this, we'll we
see this D right here in medical and we see
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that this E comes up and under and straight up
to the top of that stem. It comes back down
and it wraps around, leaving no tail at the bottom.
I thought, holy crap, that I just find the individual
who removed these pages. So I went a little further,
and I started to look at other things, like the
way the E actually works its way into the N,
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the N being dropped down and the E rising up
above that letter N.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
And when I looked over here, we saw the same thing.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
We've got this E that's way above, and we've got
this letter M that is dropped down below. So again
it's kind of a ratio and a relationship of those
particular letters. And it even occurs in the second one
over here, For once again the E is higher than
the M, and the M is bounced down a level.
So I looked at the letter.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
It's really strange writing.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I think that this at this up here is very
strange because not many people do it. And I'm checking
in with one of the with my professor in graphology,
to see how many times she thinks she might have
seen this in her life, because I, honestly I don't
see people doing this. She don't usually tent from a
lower case letter up to the stem of another letter.
And we see that Michael Yore is actually doing that.
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And then I looked at all his v's in interview,
and this one particular V right here that has the
red line underneath it. If you look up there, it
is identical in shape and form and relation to the
other letters around it. I was like, holy crap, we
might be onto something here.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
And the fact that he if he did remove it,
he may have signed it in a way or manipulated
his handwriting in a way that it couldn't be determined
who it was that removed it, so they couldn't call
him out. And one of his like a.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
First grader, and the signature's kind of fancy it's really
odd colminations.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Well, and it's not.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
And when I see I see these tremors, I see
these these bulkiness, these angles.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
It's not like it's written with fluidity and speed.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
If we go back to what Cunningham had said about
fluidity and speed, these look like they're lacking it, almost
as somebody's faking it. So when you fake something you're
not familiar with, you're gonna have that slow, awkward drawing
that's tremulous, just like he stated in somebody who was
writing slowly. So I'm starting to think now that this
is likely. And the number nine matched, the p's match,
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the number six is matched. The two looks a little
bit awkward, especially when you write this fluid and smoothly.
That looks very very strange to me. It doesn't look
like it's natural at all. But that's gonna be the
avenue that I focus.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
On for this comery year.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Now let's go to another spot because I think it
shows this letter D even better. So, now do we
see in the word on the right hand side dated,
we can see that e how it draws right up
through the center of the ball and into the stem
back down, wraps around counterclockwise, leaving no tail or stem
on the right hand.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Side of the D.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I thought, holy crap, I think this might be the
person who did it. We also have got this connection
or this flat top R, which we see happening in
one of these. Again, I'm looking for something that's written
more freely, something that isn't like a police officers are
taught to write a certain way to be clear so
(31:35):
that everybody can understand the communication, so sometimes that's not
always as natural for them. This may be a more
natural handwriting for mister Yore where this is I need
everybody to be able to read it writing either way.
He is doing something over and over again in the
letter D where he's trailing that letter all the way
up to the top of that stem. And that's what
we're seeing happen here in the D and I removed.
(31:59):
So that's where we're going to. Let's move on. We
are done with that more handwriting though. So last week
we left off on the nineteen eighty seven October twenty eighth,
nineteen eighty seven Zodiac communication, which is kind of deemed
as another Halloween communication as we know that the zodiac
had submitted back during his reign as the Zodiac Killer,
(32:20):
and some of the things that I was pointing out
here were going to be these letter ds, because these
are in the presentation, and we have talked about these.
But if you look at these letter ds and in
comparison to the d's in the nineteen eighty six letter
that was confirmed by Terrence Pascal as being from the
Zodiac Killer, you'll see that those letter ds are consistent
with each other. And these communications were one year apart, everybody,
(32:42):
nineteen eighty six, nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
We go into the g's, we have these tiny little
bulls with these very long tails. You go over into
the SLA letter.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Or into the let's see where we found oh up
over here on the side in the word speaking again,
tiny little bull, very long gated, actual stem of the
G which is consistent between the two.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Let's see d's, g's, oh scratch outs. Let's talk about
the heavy scratch outs. I mean, clearly, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Question the letter on the bottom right, where does that
come from?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
That is a letter that the Zodiac Killer wrote, and
he's writing it at your time, at the time, Patty
Hurst is in the mix of everything.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
If that helps you identify so.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Basically, we've got you know, we've been talking about how
Hearst's involvement with these communications being passed and forth is evident.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And then of course we have the.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Major media mogul's daughter who's what supposedly kidnapped, brainwashed, commits
a bank robbery and then gets off and is pardoned
at some point in time either way, that's what that
one was from. So basically, and then the A friend
is a sign off that we see in these communications,
or a version of the mo of a sign off.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
But when I was.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Looking at these little scratch outs here and there, now,
of course these ones go up and down. These ones
are up and down and side to side, like he's
literally trying to obliterate whatever it is that he was
trying to or started to say in order to recreate
that sentence. But here we've got sideways, sideways, up and down,
(34:26):
up and down, up and here. So I find that
the crossouts are just they're going basically in the same directions.
They're just as heavy. They're literating and making it impossible
to see what was written underneath it, and that is
consistent with these authors as well.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
There's still you don't know, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
It's perfect though.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, yeah, literally, all right, so that brings us to
your solve, Harriet, yay.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
And I just so, and that's flying, and then we'll
it'll be mentioned briefly in that Whilac envelope.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
But yet we're not to the.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It's but that's the song when I got it. I
got it right here.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
No, no, no, but I'm not. I'm not at that
one yet. No, well, let me control the shell.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Want me to read it?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yes, so I want to be what I want to.
I want to preempt everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
First.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
This is the ninth April nineteen seventy eight letter that
they tried to convince everybody was a fraud or a
forgery by Tashi.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Which I do not find.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
I find that this was absolutely written by the Zodiac Killer,
and I believe other document examiners believe that as well.
So this one was the dear editor. This is the
Zodiac speaking. I am back with you. Tell herb Kane,
I'm here, I've always been here, that city pig. Tashi
is good, but I am smarter and better. He will
get tired then leave me alone. I am waiting for
(35:57):
a good movie about me.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Who will play me.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I am in control of all things yours truly and
zodiac symbol guests, So go ahead and read your soul
for that.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
But this is the I am crackproof stanographic code. But
I'll still read it though, because there's a separate one
for the other one.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
We're going to get to that one. We're gonna get
to just read this one.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Now, this is this is ion crackproof. So it says
it comes out as to the sloppy ace Detective Toshi,
the Irishman is to bludge in the shitty screen actor
chef Gus star Bug, District of Columbia, Commander in Chief
Carter Pause to paint scockstale Arizona wall sideways with Bob
(36:41):
greens and blood.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Okay, so then this is the other letter. This is
not this one?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, this is because there there is the original one.
That's what it was reused in the in the linl
like envelope. So there's two. There's two, so so I
can read that one too.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
I'm not there yet. I'm trying to understand this one.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
So the im crack proof really is the stenographic code
and solved from the nineteen eighty seven letters.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Wait, Oh no, this is nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Oh okay, so this is solved.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I just don't understand the Car movie because this doesn't
reference the Car Movie.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Oh no, it's in there.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
It's no, it's not not in this one.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
It's in it's in the I am crack proof here.
It is.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
On it's it's not. The mention of the Car movie
is not in this communication.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Is this one.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
It's just I just read.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I just read the communication. It does not The Car
is the nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, no, that's nineteen. No, that movie came out in
nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Seventy seven. It came out in seventy seven. Yes, the
Car Movie came out here in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
So listen, I just keep moving because there's two letters
from nineteen seventy eight. One is the prep Prooved and
the other one's in control of all Things.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
So now you're saying the nineteen eighty seven letter was
written in nineteen seventy eight instead of nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
No, the fact simile was, and it's included in there.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
I'm confused. I know where I'm seed. Everybody, guys, this
is the nineteen seventy eight letter.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
You're stating that, but I because I'm reading the top
where it says the car movie, there's no mention. There's
a mention about a movie, but he's talking about who
will play him in a movie, not the car. The
car comes here next. Let's just go to that one.
So basically, we we then looked and found, like I
said on zodiacsifirst dot com, and found the lilac em
(38:41):
Look what you're talking about. This one is written to
the Valeo Times Herald versus the other one that was
written to the San Francisco Chronicle and indicating that it
was written October twenty eighth of nineteen eighty seven as
another or close to Halloween communication. And I think that
he is talking about Halloween night in this particular one.
(39:03):
But you went ahead and did a decode not only
on the letter itself, but also on the envelope.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Oh yeah, I mean I wasn't thinking I was going
to go delving back into the nineteenth century with this one,
but yeah, well you keep going of this. This is amazing,
this weird coincidence. So I had to identify everything possible
on the envelope, and we had a discussion about that.
(39:30):
We believe this was nineteen eighty seven. Nineteen eighty eight
is every and anyways, to make that long story short,
I saw six stamps there. I did everything I could
to identify it. And those two big stamps that are
from nineteen eighty five or commemorative size stamps, they are huge.
(39:54):
And then everything in there has something to do with
what happened with the Civil War eighteen hundred. It's eighteen sixties,
eighteen eighties. I mean, next thing I know, I'm looking
at Jack the river stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Okay, but there's only two stamps on this envelope.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Not no, there's six. I saw six in there. You
can barely see there's two. There's two sideways right in
the middle, one sideways, the other ones up, and then
there's another sideways and they're kind of like crammed in.
And Jack did something like a like an early version
of a photoshop with the xerox thing, and they're crammed
(40:29):
in and you're supposed to identify everything. And I found
these stamps in there, and then they all those.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Box So you're saying these boxes to oh, yeah, this
flag is secondary stamps.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Because there's stamps kind of looking like they're on top
of each other. We've seen that before with other of
the stuff that he's done, where you see the pictures
they're kind of crammed in and they're they're really sideways,
upside down, et cetera.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
So American flag stamps or those are tunes below them there, Yeah,
I see, Okay, let's you know.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
I see four.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
If what you're saying is these extracurriculars, I see secondary stamps.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
So anyways to make a long to board box box box, and.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Because they're they're barely there. And then when I was
looking for the other half of the stamps that were
matching this from nineteen eighty five from London, those are
the blurry stamps that I found just like that, so
anyways make more blurrier. It's a really complex process. But
I looked at those and they are telling about the history,
(41:44):
not just their history in London, it's the history of
the postal service. The very first person who was on
the first ever adhesive stamp was Queen Victoria, and it
got very popular with the Lilac penny, which is eighteen
eighty one, eighteen eighties, I mean eighteen eighty eight especially,
(42:07):
so once I saw that. I said, Holy crap, I'm
in Jack the Ripper and I didn't think I was
going to. And I've been doing Jack the Ripper stuff
since i was in the hospital. It's really weird. My
head was just blowing a gas kitten.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Did any stamps down here have the Queen on them?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (42:26):
I have.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Let me see if I can get my picture of it.
I was so excited.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
About, here's the color version. I do have the color
version in here.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
She's there there.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
That's seventeen the history.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Of not only there's stamp history, it's the world's history.
She's the first person ever on a n Heva stamp.
And it has to do with eighteen thirty seven and
eighteen forty and then our people went over to England
to create that first step. Their Americans evolved New England
and then this get really bizarre Sclimbone Society stenographic code.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
All right, let's hold, let's let's get there. Let's let's
get there.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
All right, So on this I have the lilac envelope.
And you you believe that that lilac is a tie
back to the lilac penny.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
What is the lilac?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh, definitely, it's the world's most first historic stamp. I'm
so excited about it. If I had money I get Anyways,
it's it's very historic, and then that ties into our
actual postal service system because it gets started there in
London and it's it's amazing. So it's too much to
(43:39):
get involved with.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Right, you.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Have to soolve on this envelope and I'm on page
one of two here, well, I actually have both of
them up page one, Yes of it?
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Do you want to go ahead and read what you believe?
Let's just do that envelope.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yes, it's what what I got is April second, two
thousand and five. President George H. W. Bush and son
President George W. Bush fac simile that it's a fax
at the time, and it's I got the time in there,
six thirty four pm Eastern time. His Holiness, the Totus
(44:17):
TUIs nine nine nine Pope died. I'm mad again. He's
fully stressing his head is blown, and then the same
please will be use remedium AA, which is alcoholics anonymous.
We're ceremony. And then he's calming down. He's saying, I'm
on a mission NASA, goddamn effort to die. I'm to
(44:41):
gut him July fourteenth, two thousand and five, and the
BNS Railroad is to run Robert Abeloba. That happened. Anyways,
regarding your request, this is where my head was blowing
on three fourth, two thousand and five. That's my birthday.
By the way, is this way? I said July thirty first,
(45:03):
nineteen sixty nine for r As Randolph appercenterst the big
news story plugged by the media newspapers. Please rush to
editor George Henningson. That's the editor, Zodiac Letters, Balo Times
header Harold Balao, California. But it's a brieved calyp anyways,
(45:25):
ninety four five nine zero envelope. You're asking, yes, I
can crack r A sent opt nineteen eighty seven Centennial
of eighteen eighty seven events, brown envelope from one A
North Saint John's, Newfoundland, Canada to England, Great Britain with
(45:49):
four Royal mail seventeen P. The seventeen P. You're not
going to understand why that's important.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
So I always say that, okay.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Yeah, seventeen p stamps two sideways nineteen eighty five booklet
pain All this is in there, perforations fourteen X fifteen
pause thirty mm. That's anyways, then pause forty one mm.
He can't breathe. He's having trouble breathing. So anyways, with
two total twenty two cents, Frank J. Whisle like stamps
(46:21):
flag over Capitol Hill Building, please focus on the blurry
three fifties anniversary stamp has historic first adhesive stamp reference
to eighteen thirty seven Queen Victoria image used for eighteen
forty historic first, and then he's pausing Bureau of Printing
(46:43):
and Engraving. That's our side of the stamps booklet pain.
Frank wasla today. I sent proof I can crack Randolph
Apperson for his father, William Randolph Apper Stender's father. Oh,
my god, Jack the Ripper letters I sent both facsimile
of nineteen seventy eight Zodiac era a letter with similar
(47:07):
centergraphic code found in Jack the Ripper Communications of Postcarden letters.
My god, I was my head was blowing. Anyways, dear editor,
the Zodiac printing night way, it's misspelled VPD deshero catch
me if can guess. That's a question. So with the
(47:28):
missing punctus interrogativeness, you're going to get that. But anyways,
the symbol now known as question mark and the letter
is missing exclamation marks, just like Jack the Ripper ones,
this is all in this anyways the truth. Wait a minute,
the symbols zodiac symbol that has code keys, and then
(47:51):
it's saying, oh FYI to tell the truth tttt his
favorite thing. I also provided sent my d on the
Robert Graysmith Halloween card envelope in the adhesib at He's
of earth Rise stamp is xerox copied my printing of
the nine to four nine five zero Valeo calif envelope
(48:14):
using a lilac color paper for to prove I can
crack the circa eighteen eighty eight Lilac penny stamp or
a HER's father's William Grand offers Jack the Ripper letters
said to Scotland Yard here of Queen Elizabeth again. Sent
in nineteen eighty seven v CIA in an IBM PC
(48:39):
four forty computer using tat tattletale Dennis Kaufman's America Online account.
My god, he had one identification and based on very
limited IBM color data the OPT one nine eighteen eighty
eight Saucy Jack postcard photo review or he had looked.
(49:02):
He found the same code keys The code keys are
President Benjamin Harrison in the same Scole and Bone's Society
Standard graph system. I know how to create these. I
know he's saying this. Such coded missives by so again
I can crack them. Civil War Lincoln, Confederate Secret Service
(49:22):
spy John Saratt the second and messages to William Randolph
Heurst you photo roviewer are printed. Both the SP seventeen
that's abbreviation for September eighteen eighty eight and SP twenty seventh.
There's one's a postcard, one state letter anyways, eighteen eighty eight.
(49:43):
One is the postcard. The other is a letter which has.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Okay and two seconds. I'm sorry to have to cut
you off, Harriet. Oh my god, run out of time.
I know we're gonna have to come. We're going to
have to come back to it and finish that off
for everybody next week.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
So we'll start that one over here at time. I'll
have some questions for you.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
Yeah, you guys are the brother of Mary Sarat.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
We don't We're gonna.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
We're gonna you guys, we have to tell Yes, we'll
cover all of this next week. Thank you both for
being here, and we'll get with you guys. Everybody, have
a wonderful weekend and we'll see you next Friday.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
Okay,
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