June 20, 2025 • 50 mins
As we wrap up the testimony of a possible real suspect in this case, you can see that William Coleman does not seem to remember what he told the police, and his testimony is all over the place. This is so questionable, and I can not see why it would be considered valuable to the DA if only to confuse the jury because it does not add any probable value in the conviction of Mr. Wilson. Still to come, allegations and police reports of money laundering and drug trafficking with help of the victim.
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
We're going to be climbing back into the testimony of William, Yes,
William Coleman in the wrongful conviction case of Peter Wilson.
I'd like to first admite to the show, Harriet Souchet.
(01:16):
His testimony gets even more seedier. So I just kind
of wanted to pre er match everybody up if you
haven't been following along with this particular podcast, which we've
segued from the Zodiac at this point to cover a
wrongful conviction case in which case the client, the person
that has been incarcerated for thirty years for murder he
did not commit. I am just trying to get his
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information out there, and we've been reading over the testimony
of William Coleman, which is the roommate in the house.
So just to kind of catch you up real quick,
mister Wilson came home from the bay from the San
Francisco area at approximately three o'clock in the morning. He
stepped out his back door from his room. He had
two doors, one that led outside in one that went
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inside to the house, but he would commonly come and
go from the rear door. And he stepped back out
to seven eleven to get some snacks and some drinks.
And he arrived back home at approximately three three forty five,
three fifty a m. In the morning to find his
landlord dead on the basement floor. He immediately after seeing this,
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had ran to the other roommate's room and pounded on
the door, yelling his name, mister Coleman or William William.
I found gene kind of thing, and the door didn't open,
so he actually opened mister Coleman's door, and when he
opened that door, he found Coleman standing up, wide awake
on the other side of that door, fully dressed. He
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had pants, shirt, shoes, sweatshirt on, looking like he was
ready to actually leave for the day. For work, which
was odd because he didn't work at four o'clock in
the morning. He had the swing shift. He worked from
eleven to seven. So we're going to pick up where
the testimony of William Coleman is being asked in regards
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to how he was stressed why he was stressed. So
we're going to pick up from there, and we're going
to move forward. So basically, he was asked the question
and what kind of shoes were those? Answer loafers these
type question? Were they in fact those shoes? Answer? No,
they are brown ones. Those are another color. Question When
you got up Sunday morning, could you hear knocking on
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the door? Did you put on your shoes? Answer yes,
question right away? All I'm sorry, answer quickly. Question And
you wore shoes with you as you followed mister Wilson
to the basement. Answer yes. Question and you any particular
reason you put your shoes on?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Answer?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I put them on. So he never really again. Can
you see how he's not answering these questions.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Harriet.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Asked any particular reason? He just says, I put them on.
Can I interject one one little thing in this that
caught me the last time too? Okay, so it's like
he's putting on his shoes because he can't wear him
in the house. But if it was just his socks,
if his hair and stuff was on his socks, it
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would logically link him to something there inside the house.
You know what I'm saying. He lives in the house.
There's it's not a question of linking anything. Because he
lives in the house. You're gonna expect to find his hair,
his DNA, his fingerprints, all of these things in the house.
The question here is is how is he completely dressed
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at four o'clock in the morning when mister when mister
Wilson knocks on his door yelling for him to come
help because he's found the landlord dead at the bottom
of the basement floor. And not only does Coleman not
answer the door, but when Wilson barges in, he finds
him standing there fully dressed. Now, mind you, you've got
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to imagine that this is probably panic stricken the situation.
It's happening very quickly. You know, when when mister Wilson
is running down the hallway yelling William William, I found
Gene and pounds on the door and gets no answer.
And then opens the door immediately. This all probably happened
in a matter of seconds. So this is why this
testimony from Coleman is so fishy. So he says, the
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next question from the defense attorney is normally you wouldn't
put your shoes on, would you? And the answer nope.
Question what made you think about putting your shoes on
at four o'clock in the morning. Answer, I put them on.
That was it.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Well, I gets back to the same basic point. And
let's say he is allegedly the real killer and he
got blood on his socks. Did they did they check
him for that? You know, they had the shoes on.
Did they see this?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
We we kind of we're going to cover. We're going
to cover all of those things. You're not focusing on
the point he's not allowed to wear shoes in the house. Yeah,
So he is dressed in his room with his shoes on,
actually looking like he's ready to leave the house.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Probably some suspicious.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It's very suspicious. He's doing something out of character when
something such as a death has occurred inside of the house.
So he says, the next question is, Okay, are you
sure you didn't walk around in bare feet? Following mister Wilson.
Cloman's answers, nope, And the defense attorney says, but mister
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Wilson knocked on the door, you were already dressed, he said, Nope,
you didn't already have shoes on and pants and a sweatshirt. Nope.
That sweatshirt that you put on, did you go to
bed with that on? Nope. So the point behind this
particular testimony is that he claims that that Wilson never
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said anything other than knocking on the door one time,
and in that time frame, he jumped up, got dressed,
put on shirt, shoes, pants, sweatshirt, and was fully dressed
inside of one knock without Wilson saying a word. Good morning, Nolan.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, I was waving at you, Nolan.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Your sound is crackly, okay, hold on, it's very crackly,
very weird.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I got a public Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Your your microphone is not sounding good at all. Yeah,
what's that? Non ah? Yeah, because we can't understand any
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of it. That's okay, all right, So back to some
more testimony here. Defense attorney asked you put that on
after you got up, and Cooleman answers, yeah, I put
it on. Quickly and question before mister Wilson, before you
made contact with mister Wilson. Answer yes. Question when was
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the last time you laundered that shirt? Answer? I do
my washing on Sunday. I take my wash to Sunday
to the washer. Question do you know whether or not
there was any blood on that Stanford shirt? Answer nope,
there there is wasn't. No, there wasn't ambled, there is wasn't.
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Another question another question do you remember what you wore
to work on the thirtieth Answer no. Question did you
wear that sweatshirt? Answer the sweatshirt because it's cold, right
a bike. As far as another shirt, I'm not sure.
I would be so frustrated with this guy because you
cannot get a straight answer out of him to save
your life. Question did you wear that shirt while you
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were at work? Answer no, I took it off and
put it in the closet. Question and you put it
on when you went home? Answer? I put it on
at the restaurant, came back, ride the bike back home
because it's colder. Question when you got home, you took
take that off that sweatshirt? Answer yes. Question when you
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took it off, do you know what you did?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
With it.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Answer. I went to my room, took it off, put
it in the table. On the table I put on,
put my pants on this table. He didn't ask about
the pants. But I'm glad you're over sharing. Question. Let
me show you what has been marked as defense. Oh,
ask you to look at that. Do you recognize that
as your sweatshirt? Answered? That's correct, And so that means
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they took pictures of him in the sweatshirt or they
took pictures of the sweatshirt, he said. Question, and that
is the one with the Stanford on it. Answered that's correct. Question.
Now you notice above your wrist area below the d
appears to be a spot there looks like a red spot.
Answer yes. Question do you know what that is? Answer?
(10:18):
I have no idea. Question Did you have any blood
on that shirt? Answer nope. I didn't have any blood
on the shirt. Question none, none that you're aware of.
Answer not that I was aware of. Question do you
know what that red spot could be? Answer nope. Oh,
you've got some feedback going on again there, Nolan something? Yes, yeah, something,
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because that's horrible sounding and it's causing feed All right, Okay,
do you know what that red spot could be? Answer nope.
Question did you spill anything on that shirt that you remember?
Answer nope. Question are you pretty sure that is not blood?
Answer I'm not sure about that. Question. Okay, did the
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police take this shirt? Answer no, and it's always nope.
It's never no or no either way. The police didn't
take his clothing. They took Wilson's clothing. So there's your
answer to that particular question. But it does appear as
though they took pictures of it, and obviously there is
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some red spots on it that they're questioning as to
whether or not they were blood. But why they didn't
take this shirt when they took everything from Wilson, It's
just beyond me. They basically sat in their minds on
the morning of the thirty first when they arrived and
found Gene basically is what they called her. When they
found Gene dead on the basement floor and the police
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came in, they immediately took every effort to put Wilson
as the suspect by way of taking his clothing, taking
a rate kid, a GSR kid like. They did everything
to pretty much hem this guy up from the very beginning.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I would love to see pictures of the socks.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
They did, obviously they didn't take anything from him.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah, no, no, I mean if they were getting the pictures. See,
there's something wrong with that whole situation. And just like
you're pointing out, he's dressed in one second.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
No, one second, one yep, once, that's the fastest get dressed.
Wake up from your He went like this.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
It was like I dream of Genie dressed.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
He twitched his nose. So the testimony is as as
it continues, is question you still have it? Answer yes.
Question did the police take any physical Excuse me, did
the police take any physical clothes from you? Answer? Nope?
What the f I like, don't even begin to understand.
(13:05):
Why did you take it from Wilson but not from Coleman?
When you came home Saturday night? Was there anything on
the stove that was left over from anyone having apparently
cooked any meal? Answer nope. Question there was no pots
or pans or anything. No, there were Were there any
dish dirty dishes in the sink? Nope? Do you know
whether there was any dirty dishes?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Okay, so sorry, let's skip to the next section of
this because I found that one was kind of boring.
He's asking about dishes that didn't exist. Question Okay, how
about the turkey? Is that? Answer just turkey slice in
which meat, just put two pieces of bread and put
in microwave for one made of sandwich. Question that is
Friday night? Answer that is correct. Question what about the
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microwave dinner that you had on Friday night? Where did
that come from? Answer that was Saturday? Question that is
on Saturday night. Answer, I had a microwave meal on
Saturday night. Question that is the night that you had
dinner with miss Kim. Answer that is correct. Holy crap,
that right there should have stopped the entire I'm going
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to lose my crap right now. You guys, just reading
that particular question that mister Coleman had dinner with the
victim Saturday night while Wilson was gone, tells you that
she wasn't killed between twelve forty eight and one fifty
eight pm on Saturday. I'm absolutely sticking to my stomach
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by this, because here we have this testimony that's being
read off to the jury, and the jury is being
instructed or told by the DA that Miss Kim was
killed between twelve forty eight pm and one fifty eight
PM on Saturday, and now we have testimony, direct testimony
from Coleman saying that he had dinner with her that night.
It just makes me sick. Question, in fact, one reason
(15:02):
you were confused here is because you had dinner with
miss Kim on Friday and on Saturday night. Isn't that true? Answer?
Not on Saturday night?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
What Saturday in the early am?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
No, that would have been Sunday. Now, that would have
been Sunday early am. The point here, though, is that
he just got done confirming that he had a microwave
dinner and he enjoyed a dinner with him on Saturday night.
Now when he said, now, when he's being asked, you
had dinner with Miss Kim both Friday and Saturday night,
he's saying, no, not on Saturday night. So which is it?
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I mean, Honestly, he recalls that the night he had
the microwave dinner was Saturday night and that he in
fact had dinner with it sounds to me like he
realizes that that now messes up the entire role of
the chronological order in which the DA is trying to
set up, and he's now a to correct that by
saying he didn't have dinner with her on Saturday night.
(16:03):
I believe the earlier testimony is actually probably more factual.
For him to remember the microwave dinner, to remember that
that was Saturday night, not Friday night, and that he
had had dinner with Miss Kim. Absolutely crazy and now
am is still night.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
But he knows what he's doing, he knows what he's answered,
how he's helping us.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Did you catch any of that.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Nolan, Yeah, no, change it. He changed his testimony about
the dinner.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Well, he very distinctively remembers which night he had the
microwave meal and that he actively ate that meal with
Miss Kim, which puts her alive at eight thirty or
so when he got home. He says, he came home
from work and he, you know, made his meal. And
now he's specifically correct. He corrects the defense attorney by
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saying that the microwave dinner was not Friday night, it
was Saturday night, and that he had had dinner with
Miss Kim. So for him to come back and now
say not on Saturday night, like, it just blows my
mind that nobody bought up so question. You just said
that you did so basically the defense attorney saying you
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just said that you did have dinner with her Saturday night.
His answer, I had dinner with her many times. It's
hard to figure out what day and that two days.
But he just had thee saying he had dinner with
her both Friday and Saturday night. So it's not a
question of which day because you just stated you had
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dinner with her both days. Question when you called nine
one one, do you remember making that phone call? Answer yes.
Question do you remember telling the police that miss Kim
had been dead for four or five hours? Answer no?
Question did you as I say that?
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Now?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Does that ring a bell? What did you tell them? Answer? No,
I don't. I don't remember saying that, mister Periscope, I
think your honor, we have a stipulation at this point,
an examination of the nine one one tape. People's number
nine was played for the witness, Miss Condren. That is
correct the court. All right, mister Periscue. Questioned by mister Tondreu,
(18:21):
So did you hear you say four or five hours?
Answer yes? Or longer? So now he said four or
five hours or longer is his testimony.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Question?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
So why did he have to hear the nine one
one tape to know that he said it again. I
feel like he's honestly attempting to deceive the court when
he's giving many of these answers. Okay, question that would
make you think she had excuse me, what would make
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you think she had been dead for four or five hours?
Miss Condren, Mister learof the record should show that the
person said was asked by the operator, do you know
how long she has been dead? And the person said,
I don't know, A long time, maybe said four or
five hours. I don't even believe that's accurate. I believe
that if we went back to the nine to one
one recording that what she just stated there is a
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little bit off from what we read A long time.
Maybe I don't remember him saying that, but we'll go
back and look at that. Okay, let's see by mister Tondra,
where do you come up with four or five hours? Answer?
Okay to me, the blood on the under not the
steps by her head. It was dry, she'd been there
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a long time, the basement is cold. And still didn't
answer why you felt four or five hours? Question do
you have any training in terms of looking at blood
and making an estimate? Answer? Nope? Question where did you
come up with four or five hours because there's dried blood. Answer,
I just said, been there at least four or five hours.
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Question In fact, the lighting was pretty bad at that
spot in the basement. Answer, like I said, I could
see Miss Kim's face though. Question even though there was
a brick fireplace between the light, I don't mean fireplace,
brick fireplace or chimney between the light and her head.
Answer I could see her face and her breast and
her exposed in the light. Yes, question you could see
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that her face was pale? Answer yes, like all white,
no color. Questions Did you touch anything when you went
down in the basement? Answer no, I didn't touch anything. Now,
if we remember before you guys, he never went into
the basement. He stopped at the third stair, was his claim.
And he couldn't see down past mister Wilson because it
was a narrow entryway into the basement. So how he
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could see around mister Wilson is beyond me. But now
he's answering that he didn't touch anything when he went
down into the basement, after stating he never fully went
down questions he answer.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
His testimony is really phishy, And if I'm a defense
where I tear him apart on cross examination and also
on final argument to the jury.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
His testimony is wishy washing.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It's crap. It's complete crap. He's answering any questions. He's
answering the questions with specififity. My tongue doesn't want to
work this morning, with actual memories, you know, the microwave
meal being on Saturday night, having had dinner with Miss Kim.
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But then when asked the direct questions, so you had
dinner with their Saturday night, he's saying no. So I
tend to believe where he is more specific about the
memories of the microwave meal. All right, let's see. All right,
So he was asked if there was any handrails and
his answer was no. Did you touch anything above you
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to stabilize yourself? Answer nope. Did you see mister Wilson
touch anything? Answer nope, Question not at all, answer nope.
Question did you see him touch the piece of wood
across Miss Kim's answer nope. We already heard testimony from
Coleman where he said that mister Wilson was trying to
lift that four x twelve off of.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Her down in the basement, that's why I'm I would
be interested in seeing pictures of those socks, which.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I'm okay, okay, I can't keep focusing you don't have any,
but I can't keep focusing on something we don't have. Period,
they didn't take pictures, it wasn't entered into evidence, and
they didn't take any of his clothing from him. So
question did you see I'm sorry? Question did you see
him move it as if he was going to do that?
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Answer nope. Question did you see him touch the ceiling
above him? Answer nope. Question you testified when mister Lureoff
was asking you questions that mister Wilson may have moved
around a little bit. Is that right? Answer? Yes, he
was moving around. Question how much time did you spend
moving around or did he spend moving around? Answer maybe
twenty thirty seconds something like that. Question And is that
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basically how long you stood there looking down at miss
Kim twenty or thirty seconds? Answer yes, something like that.
Question how long did you stay there looking at miss Kim?
Answer maybe thirty forty seconds? Question thirty or forty seconds?
Answer yes. Question and during that thirty or forty seconds
you see mister Wilson at the bottom of the steers
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moving around. Answer that's correct. Question what is he doing?
Answer he said he was trying to move the board
off Miss Kim. Question so he said that what did
you see him do? Answer? I didn't see anything. I
didn't see him do it. So now he didn't see anything.
Before he could see Miss Kim's face, her breasts, her
exposed body, her paleness, the dried blood, all these things
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he can describe, but he now doesn't see mister Wilson
doing anything. Question were you watching what he was doing? Answer? Yes?
Question were you watching what he was doing? Why did
they ask that? Twice? Miss Conduran objection? And I don't
know what her objection is. But mister Parscue says, excuse me,
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mister Parscue, you were watching what he was doing? Answer?
What watching him? But I couldn't see what he was
He was turned his back sometime sometimes not.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Confused.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Question could you see he was bending over? Answer no,
could Question could you see whether he was squatting down?
Answer no, sir. Question is there anything that you could
see that you saw him do while he was in
the bottom of the of the stairs? Answer no? Question
is that because the lighting was bad? Answer? No question.
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Why is it that you couldn't see what he was doing? Answer?
I just just couldn't see what he was doing. Question
Were you paid attention? Answer nope, You're not paying attention.
In the middle of a freaking murder scene, I would
be gawking so heavily, probably in shock. I wouldn't know
what to do. Like ah. Question did he ever step
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away from the bottom of the stairs. You know there
is kind of a last step at the platform that
is where the body was. Answer yes, question did he
ever step away from that area for you? Answer no question,
he was always on the flat platform. Answer yes. Question
when you were up making the nine to one to
one call, could you hear mister Wilson in the basement
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Wilson was shouting to you through the door? Answer no question.
Was mister Wilson shouting to you through the door? Answer
no question. Let me show you a page of a
report prepared by Officer Trio. Would you read the first
sentence in that paragraph right here to yourself? Answer yeah.
Question do you remember telling Answer yes, I remember saying that. Question.
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What did you tell him about mister Wilson shouting? Answer?
He said William William I jumped up and I put
my pants on, hold on and your shirt and your
shoots a speasure. Question slow down, keep your voice up.
Answer okay. Question was he shouting anything other than William
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William William? Answer no question. Did you hear him shouting
about Gene? Answer no question? Are you certain about that? Answer?
I'm certain about that question. Did you only hear mister
Wilson knock on the door one time? Answer yes? Question
Was there anyone in your room with you when mister
Wilson knocked on the door? Answer no. So that that
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is the end of what we have for mister Coleman's testimony.
I think that everybody can see how heavily confused this
individual is in his answers and what that literally means
to the freedoms of mister Wilson, because I think that
we had all the answers we needed to have right there.
That blew apart the DA's case and suggests that the
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murder did not occur between the hours of twelve forty
eight pm and one fifty eight pm on Saturday, since
Kim was alive and eating dinner with mister Coleman at
approximately eight thirty eight forty five pm, on Saturday evening
while mister Wilson was still off in San Francisco getting
his hand bandaged from the taxi cab driver slamming it
(27:28):
in the car door and breaking I guess some fingers
and ripping off a fingernail, in which case there is testimony,
there is medical records, there is a incident report filed
by the cab driver in regards to the injury and
having done that injury to mister Wilson. So I really
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hope that he does get this writ of habeas corpus
based on some of this information. Now it starts to
get a little bit more interesting because now we get
into handwriting. I was actually provided with the handwritten receipts
that mister Wilson had received from miss Kim in regards
to paying rent and a contract that we're going to
(28:09):
talk about, which I didn't even know about until Harriet
had actually researched and found information in regards to them
claiming that mister Wilson had killed Kim in order or
an attempt to take over her house. Right, that was
kind of the article you read.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
It would be the basics of the idea of why.
The theory as to why it happened.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Okay, so we're going to blow that theory out of
the water right now. So Lynda Condrin introduces false evidence
that Wilson forcefully sat Kim down on Saturday between twelve
forty eight pm and one fifty eight pm to write
receipts for September, November, and December, and the Public Defender
did not object to the introduction of that evidence. In fact,
there would be no reason to sit her down before
(28:52):
killing her to write receipts for rent six to seven
months previous. Why sit her down in March and force
her to write a rental receipt for September, November, December? Like,
none of this makes any sense whatsoever. If he hadn't
been paying rent, would I would think that he would
have forced her to write him for the current months
(29:13):
that he was there, right March February, you know something
recently to cover CYA.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, none of it makes three sense.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
No, no, So, nor would mister Wilson want to kill Kim.
She actually owed him nine months of free rent, rent,
free living in exchange for interest of five hundred and
twenty five dollars a month, and Louis alone that mister
Wilson actually gave Kim of three hundred thousand that shows
she was to pay back by the end of nineteen
ninety six. So they actually had a forensic document examiner
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involved in this case. It was Lloyd Cunningham. He testifies
that Kim actually wrote the receipts and signed the contract
that we're going to be looking at. So a little
bit of background on Lloyd Cunningham. I've had a couple
instances with him, may actually know him as one of
the original document examiners in the Zodiac Killer case. We
have never really had any pleasantries by any means. I
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did handle a case for a client. It was about
a three hundred and eighty thousand dollars fraud case where
the daughter of a man that has was basically you know,
going through dementia in Alzheimer's type issues, and she had
you know, filed for or I'm sorry, she had applied
for all kinds of credit.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
On the internet.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
He was a good old boy Italian, you know, mattress money,
wrote checks for everything, paid cash for everything, didn't have credit.
Now he's over eighty thousand dollars in debt. There's wills
that have been forged, I'm there to represent my client,
who is the current wife of this individual, to indicate
that these are forged wills. And it turns out that
Lloyd Cunningham ends up on the opposite side of the case.
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And of course I knew that he was up there.
I knew that there was the good old boy system
going on because all three of them, Lloyd Cunningham, the
judge on the bench, and the opposing council, were all
talking about having tickets to the game that night and
that they needed to make sure they were out of
there by four point thirty. That's when I firstly that
was in Ala I think it was Alameda County. Well, okay,
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I'd have to go back and check. It was the
Richard Scagliola case. And of course that case they won.
The opposing side won, and I was so broken hearted
because I knew that Lloyd Cunningham was in on it.
I knew that he was lying, just based on the
fact that they were all talking about having tickets to
the game together and they were going that night, that
we had no chance in hell of winning this case
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based on the facts. About ten months afterwards, I was
contacted by the very man who hired Lloyd Cunningham, and
he had now been defrauded by the same girls that
I was against in that courtroom. He said that he
and he was a former link analysis detective for the
San Francisco PD and he is good friends or what
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good friends with Lloyd Cunningham. He asked Lloyd Cunningham to
defend his stepdaughter, knowing that she was wrong, and he
had indicated to me that he had saved her many
times over her childhood and adult years. Every time she
got busted and brought home by the police, they would
just release them to him because interested the way, I
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heard that.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Somebody wants to contribute to the conversation.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Right right, So basically I had first hand conversation with
the individual who hired Lloyd Cunningham, knowing that Lloyd Cunningham
was getting up there to lie. And unfortunately this man
died about another eleven months afterwards because when he contacted me,
he reached out to me because he had been in
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the hospital suffering from MRSA while I was handling the
case in court. And while he went he had half
his foot removed waiting for the mother of the daughter
that I was going up against to show up to
pick him up from the hospital. Nobody showed up to
pick him up, so he had to take a cab
home from the hospital. After suffering all that he had
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gone through while he was there, he gets back to
his house in the Pacific Palisades and he finds that
seventy five percent of his house has been removed. These
girls while he was in the hospital, went in and
emptied out his house. Basically, he invited me up. I
got to come to his house. We sat down, we talked.
It was very disheartening to know that there was some
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and I get it. I know that there are people
out there capable of doing this. Call in a favor,
you'll get somebody off, especially if you have that kind
of poll being in the police or you know, knowing
people like Lloyd Cunningham. But shame on you, Lloyd Cunningham,
for getting up there and lying to the court and
allowing this woman to turn around and actually deprive the
very individual who asked you to help her from all
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of his livelihood basically, and I think that due to
to the severe stress and oh they also went into
his bank and cleared out his police account, so he
had a retirement fund account from having been with the police.
They cleared out that bank account, so they this man
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suffered so much stress after coming home and going through
something as tragic as MRSA and losing half his foot.
I think that the stress and the being overwhelmed and
his age and everything took its toll, and he died
shortly after. So I never actually got to go up
against these girls again. The lord.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
How did they get bank access.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Because she, the wife, was on the account, which is
the mother of the daughter right right. And it's even
crazier is that when the mother married his name was
Tom Dickinson. When the mother married him, he adopted the girl,
who then defrauded her biological father. So this girl had
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no care or concern for her her father ever obviously
to allow another man to adopt her, and I believe
that he adopted her after she was eighteen, So she
takes this man's last name long after she you know,
is an adult now, and then turns around and takes
her father and defrauds everything that she can and then
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forges a will giving her half of the house that
him and his current wife had owned, forcing my client
to have to sell her house or buy them out.
It was absolutely disgusting. Thank you good cunning him.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
So there's a little background, but obviously he was true
and correct in this particular case by stating that these
were written. I don't see any indications in this handwriting
of what I would consider to be stressed, dressed, or
undue influence. She doesn't. It doesn't. I mean I would
expect it if she's scared, if she believes her life
is in danger, that we are going to see tremors
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and shakiness and things going on. You don't see any
of that in these receipts. But again, these receipts have
no bearing on anything, and nobody would for she to
sit down and write something for six months back. It
makes absolutely no sense.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
So what I find out about the whole situation is
who the heck OANs someone three hundred thousand dollars? Just
I don't know where.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I'm gonna I'm gonna explain that now. So Kim told
Wilson that she was unable to sell her rental house
in San Jose and had to refin her Palo Alto
in order to cover the mortgage payment she needed three
hundred I don't know why three hundred K became the
magic number, but it sounded like she had three hundred
thousand dollars in equity in her Palo Alto home that
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she could tap into UH and and she stated she
there's a couple of stories. One was she was behind
on her mortgage. The other was that it was supposedly
going to be used for some type of investment, and
that's why under had discussed with his friends that we
that were interviewed, and we're going to talk about those interviews.
But Wilson went to an attorney, and he spoke to
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an attorney to ask him, you know, what the thoughts
were about doing this. So basically, the if she took
the three hundred k from the mortgage company, she would
have paid approximately sixty two hundred dollars in interest over
that nine months before paying it back. So she claims
she was going to pay it back by the end
of December of nineteen ninety six, and that would have
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cost her sixty two hundred dollars, So she was going
to save money. If in fact, Wilson loaned her that
money then in lieu of interest, which would the five
hundred and twenty five dollars a month in rent, he
wouldn't have to pay rent for the next nine months.
So that's where the story comes in where they tried
to state that he wasn't paying rent. No, he didn't
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have to. He had an agreement, He had a contract
with Kim to loaner the three hundred thousand for nine
months and he would live rent free for those nine months.
And here is that contract. And I looked through this
contract Harriet, and there's nothing that states if she'd defaults
on this particular note this is a personal loan, basically
that there's anything that indicates that he would have access
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to her home entirely if she defaulted. So it shows
the three hundred one thousand dollars loan contract confirmed by
Lloyd Cunningham as being signed by Kim and Claude cam
signed as a witness. This is one of the people
that were interviewed that took Wilson to the bank to
get the three hundred thousand out of the safety deposit box.
He accompanied mister Wilson back to his house and sat
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there and ate some pizza with him. Watched mister Wilson
walk out of the room with the money in the
contract that was not signed at that point in time
into the main part of the house, had Kim sign it,
dropped the money to her, came back in. Now Claude
witnesses the fully executed contract, and he signs as a
witness to this contract. So let's see, I think we
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just covered all of that. Claude Stadie did not see
Kim or watch or sign it, but signed as a
witness to the contract being executed by both parties. Another friend, Shari,
who was also aware of this agreement between mister Wilson
and Kim, and both friends stated that mister Wilson was
a nonviolent person. They could not see that he would
have been somebody to have physically attacked anybody.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Now.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
First trial in November of nineteen ninety eight, evidence was
presented that Kim, her sister jaw Chushin, and her son
Richard Kim, was involved in drug trafficking and money laundering.
Richard Kim went to prison for this. Mister Wilson also
discovered that Kim did not own a home in San Jose,
so she lied, saying that she couldn't sell this rental house,
but once she did, she'd pay him back. There was
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no house to be sold sounds to me like Kim
is up to some nefarius stuff herself, and she was
behind in her payments in the pillow out to home.
But mister Wilson didn't find any of this out until
afterwards in trial. Kim's family also never returned to the
three hundred thousand to mister Wilson, So we don't know
what happened to this money, but I have a theory.
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On eighty four of nineteen eighty eight, Richard Don Kim
In ninety eight, and Strata were charged with thirteen charged
with thirteen fifty one possession of narcotic controlled substance for sale.
Search warrant found three quarter ounts of cocaine and an
oh house scale and six baggies containing marijuana totaling over
an ounce found in the bedroom. In the kitchen they
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found plastic baggies, zigzags and approximately a quartergram of loose marijuana.
In the garage, they found three plastic baggies with cocaine
each continuing about an ounce, a three being scale, and
Richard's nineteen eighty seven white Ford Mustang outside a nineteen
eighty three Mercury Capri actually owned by the Elite cleaners
which is Kim's business owned by Hawkdew Kim. In the
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backyard two marijuana plants eighteen inches tall that Richard klayin
were there when he moved in, but a hose leading
to them shows he was cultivating them. The search warrant, oh, you.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Want to finish this. You're venturing now into my territory
that's publicized it.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Let's watch this go because it gets The other search
warn of Richard's car found twenty two thousand and twenty
dollars wrapped in a grocery bag and then wrapped in
two large plastic bags, noting that the bags reaped of marijuana,
and eight five of nineteen eighty eight, Hawkeju Kim shows
up to the police department with her sister Shin, who
doesn't supposedly doesn't speak English, claiming that the Mustang was
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owned by her and her son, that her and her
sister took the car the night before the arrestaurant was
served shopping, and that Shinn had with her twenty four
thousand dollars she had removed from the bank to appear
semi poverty in order to apply for low income housing
that her and Shin put twenty two thousand in the
trunk and took the remaining two thousand into the Oriental
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Market with them and failed to remove the other twenty
two thousand before returning the car to Richard Kim. It
sounds to me that mom was very well aware of
what Sun was doing, and son is doing it in
a car and she's driving a BMD. Why does she
go all the way to her son's house in another
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town to borrow the Mustang? So I think that literally
he may have been looking at some trouble from the
drug dealers that he probably owed that money to for
the sales, or she just didn't want to lose that cash.
Either way, she was willing to perpetrate a con on
the police department and show up and state that that
money belonged to her sister in order to get it
back out of evidence. I don't know what the disposition
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of that was.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Well, can I say there's something really, really, really quick? Okay,
was the big guy?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
That the big guy?
Speaker 4 (42:35):
He dies the early to mid nineteen nineties, Okay, I
know money. Well, That's what I'm trying to say. Then
the next step is the CAUNTI cartel, which was big
in the Bay Area, right so if money's back there.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I don't I don't want to like start theories about
who they who they were selling for. We just know
that they are literally yeah, the cars are owned by
Kim and her son. That one of them is actually
registered to the business itself. So it sounds to me
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like Kim has more going on here than others knew about.
The question now becomes what she needed that three hundred
thousand for? Right, I mean, honestly speaking, why did you
need three hundred thousand invest in what? Or did she
owe big money to somebody?
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Was she money?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Why didn't Wilson get security for the loan, like a
DITA trust or something.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Well, he didn't know that. You got to think that
this contract's written on March first. She dies on March
thirty first. So I'm starting to under once again this
vehicle that was under the car cover that I mean,
who's who parks I'm not going to pull up to
my friend's house and break out my car cover and
cover my car. Somebody has a very expensive vehicle or
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they don't want it to be seen by somebody to
take that kind of care of their vehicle. Now, was
that person part of the drug trafficking and the money laundry,
and the person who killed Kim, who knows.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
When her car is gone? Isn't that part of the
theory that whoever had drove that of the car went
with her in the beer when the beer's gone.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Absolutely, Because when Coleman returns home, Miss Kim's cars back
in the driveway and there's no car underneath the.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Copper or the other car's gone. Yeah, right, that's.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Another sign that miss Kim was still alive at eight
thirty at night.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
That's also a sign that she knew whoever had the
other vehicle.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yes, so I viewed all the police reports in regards
to this incident. Now, if there were the case. Now,
if this were the case and hawk Ju Kim got
herself involved in a money laundry and drugs with her son,
one would have to wonder who she was indebted to.
And if Officer Yure was on the take from the
very people who killed her. There's motive to blame mister
Wilson and there's a patsy and to close the case
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on him as fast as possible. If my theory that
mister Coleman left the country because he saw what happened
to mister Wilson rather than being the killer himself. So
I'm still up in the air. I know that Coleman
is lying out his teeth for some reason, but it
may also be because he's just scared to death. I
I that's the next Patsy exactly. So he is back
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and forth, doesn't know what you know he's saying, doesn't
remember what he said, and he's basically just outright lying
about things.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
And went to Mexico, right, He went to Mexican purportedly,
that's it. Yeah, if he was in on something, he's
gone now.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
I reached out to some wrongful or to some innocent
projects on behalf of mister Wilson. I did get the
information and uh intake forms out to him this last week,
along with some follow up questions like where did the
three hundred thousand come from?
Speaker 4 (45:57):
There?
Speaker 3 (45:58):
I think there was a couple questions that I had
in there that were posed by Nolan in one of
our last episodes. So hopefully I'll get those answers and
they'll be just a short follow up that will come
and we're going to be climbing right back into the
zodiac next week. I'm excited, guys, we'll be back any
anything else you guys want to add comment on that?
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Red flags so many weird things going on here, you know.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
And I know if I was learning three hundred grand,
I do a background check, I would get a DIDA.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Trust. I made a mistake of lonely in three grand
and not getting security, kicking myself for that.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I suppose that even though it was a personal note
with nothing backing it, that if she failed to pay,
he could have probably taken a lean on her property
for it. Perhaps, right, I mean, she owes him the money,
he's got the contract. There's no fighting that she has
an asset that can be tapped, right, Yeah, and hopefully
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it may or may not even have the equity that
she claimed that it had in it. I mean, again,
we already see that she's lying, she's manipulating. She is
at a minimum. I think the money laundering, if it
doesn't come into play with the sisters supposedly taking this
money from her account so that she can look or
appear poverty ridden so she can apply for low income housing,
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which is all dastardly by itself. How do you come
to this country and attempt to use it? Well, I
tent well, and I tend to believe that that's not
even really the truth of the story. I believe that
Kim was trying to get that money back because it
was owed to drug dealers.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Well can I can I say something really really quick?
This is wreaking of every the Escobar cartel and Colleague cartel,
where they if a family member is somehow mixed up
in this drug mess, they kill. They have the family
member killed to blackmail the other person. And they're very
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influential in all kinds of people. I mean, it's big.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
So you know what, I like, Avenue. I did some
research and I actually found that we got one minute,
but I actually found a Richard Don Kim in Saratoga, California,
which is a very affluent area.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
No, it is yeah, really nice and purportedly.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
If I've got the right person, which I believe I
do because it links the same address, it shows that
he's a president for some company called Landmark LCD's Inc.
So that comes into and that's making LCD screens for
different devices. If this is one on the same person,
then the possibility is that three hundred thousand was invested
into him. Either way, missus.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Developer company yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Now now it's to follow the money. You know, where
did it go to? Who ended up with it? It
was certainly handed over to miss Kim. What did she
do with that cash? So there's much more investigation that
could go here if somebody wanted to take the time
to do it either way.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Her bank.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Again and tracking that money is going to be the key.
I think to who maybe if I'm.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
A dejective, I don't try and find that money. That's
one of the first things I do.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
I know. All right, you guys, we are at that
final hour. You had something else you wanted to say
real quick.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Well for me, I'm just saying this is getting interesting
because you're in my territory when it talks to the.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Anyways, and I guess we won't rightly know. It's definitely
out there. But I want to thank everybody for being
with us and making it through this wrongful conviction case.
I look for that rid of habeas corpus for mister
Wilson and his freedom to finally be achieved. Everybody, take Karen,
will see you next Friday. Thank you, You guys, all right,
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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
We're going to be climbing back into the testimony of William, Yes,
William Coleman in the wrongful conviction case of Peter Wilson.
I'd like to first admite to the show, Harriet Souchet.
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His testimony gets even more seedier. So I just kind
of wanted to pre er match everybody up if you
haven't been following along with this particular podcast, which we've
segued from the Zodiac at this point to cover a
wrongful conviction case in which case the client, the person
that has been incarcerated for thirty years for murder he
did not commit. I am just trying to get his
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information out there, and we've been reading over the testimony
of William Coleman, which is the roommate in the house.
So just to kind of catch you up real quick,
mister Wilson came home from the bay from the San
Francisco area at approximately three o'clock in the morning. He
stepped out his back door from his room. He had
two doors, one that led outside in one that went
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inside to the house, but he would commonly come and
go from the rear door. And he stepped back out
to seven eleven to get some snacks and some drinks.
And he arrived back home at approximately three three forty five,
three fifty a m. In the morning to find his
landlord dead on the basement floor. He immediately after seeing this,
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had ran to the other roommate's room and pounded on
the door, yelling his name, mister Coleman or William William.
I found gene kind of thing, and the door didn't open,
so he actually opened mister Coleman's door, and when he
opened that door, he found Coleman standing up, wide awake
on the other side of that door, fully dressed. He
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had pants, shirt, shoes, sweatshirt on, looking like he was
ready to actually leave for the day. For work, which
was odd because he didn't work at four o'clock in
the morning. He had the swing shift. He worked from
eleven to seven. So we're going to pick up where
the testimony of William Coleman is being asked in regards
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to how he was stressed why he was stressed. So
we're going to pick up from there, and we're going
to move forward. So basically, he was asked the question
and what kind of shoes were those? Answer loafers these
type question? Were they in fact those shoes? Answer? No,
they are brown ones. Those are another color. Question When
you got up Sunday morning, could you hear knocking on
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the door? Did you put on your shoes? Answer yes,
question right away? All I'm sorry, answer quickly. Question And
you wore shoes with you as you followed mister Wilson
to the basement. Answer yes. Question and you any particular
reason you put your shoes on?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Answer?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I put them on. So he never really again. Can
you see how he's not answering these questions.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Harriet.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Asked any particular reason? He just says, I put them on.
Can I interject one one little thing in this that
caught me the last time too? Okay, so it's like
he's putting on his shoes because he can't wear him
in the house. But if it was just his socks,
if his hair and stuff was on his socks, it
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would logically link him to something there inside the house.
You know what I'm saying. He lives in the house.
There's it's not a question of linking anything. Because he
lives in the house. You're gonna expect to find his hair,
his DNA, his fingerprints, all of these things in the house.
The question here is is how is he completely dressed
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at four o'clock in the morning when mister when mister
Wilson knocks on his door yelling for him to come
help because he's found the landlord dead at the bottom
of the basement floor. And not only does Coleman not
answer the door, but when Wilson barges in, he finds
him standing there fully dressed. Now, mind you, you've got
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to imagine that this is probably panic stricken the situation.
It's happening very quickly. You know, when when mister Wilson
is running down the hallway yelling William William, I found
Gene and pounds on the door and gets no answer.
And then opens the door immediately. This all probably happened
in a matter of seconds. So this is why this
testimony from Coleman is so fishy. So he says, the
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next question from the defense attorney is normally you wouldn't
put your shoes on, would you? And the answer nope.
Question what made you think about putting your shoes on
at four o'clock in the morning. Answer, I put them on.
That was it.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Well, I gets back to the same basic point. And
let's say he is allegedly the real killer and he
got blood on his socks. Did they did they check
him for that? You know, they had the shoes on.
Did they see this?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
We we kind of we're going to cover. We're going
to cover all of those things. You're not focusing on
the point he's not allowed to wear shoes in the house. Yeah,
So he is dressed in his room with his shoes on,
actually looking like he's ready to leave the house.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Probably some suspicious.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It's very suspicious. He's doing something out of character when
something such as a death has occurred inside of the house.
So he says, the next question is, Okay, are you
sure you didn't walk around in bare feet? Following mister Wilson.
Cloman's answers, nope, And the defense attorney says, but mister
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Wilson knocked on the door, you were already dressed, he said, Nope,
you didn't already have shoes on and pants and a sweatshirt. Nope.
That sweatshirt that you put on, did you go to
bed with that on? Nope. So the point behind this
particular testimony is that he claims that that Wilson never
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said anything other than knocking on the door one time,
and in that time frame, he jumped up, got dressed,
put on shirt, shoes, pants, sweatshirt, and was fully dressed
inside of one knock without Wilson saying a word. Good morning, Nolan.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, I was waving at you, Nolan.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Your sound is crackly, okay, hold on, it's very crackly,
very weird.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I got a public Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Your your microphone is not sounding good at all. Yeah,
what's that? Non ah? Yeah, because we can't understand any
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of it. That's okay, all right, So back to some
more testimony here. Defense attorney asked you put that on
after you got up, and Cooleman answers, yeah, I put
it on. Quickly and question before mister Wilson, before you
made contact with mister Wilson. Answer yes. Question when was
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the last time you laundered that shirt? Answer? I do
my washing on Sunday. I take my wash to Sunday
to the washer. Question do you know whether or not
there was any blood on that Stanford shirt? Answer nope,
there there is wasn't. No, there wasn't ambled, there is wasn't.
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Another question another question do you remember what you wore
to work on the thirtieth Answer no. Question did you
wear that sweatshirt? Answer the sweatshirt because it's cold, right
a bike. As far as another shirt, I'm not sure.
I would be so frustrated with this guy because you
cannot get a straight answer out of him to save
your life. Question did you wear that shirt while you
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were at work? Answer no, I took it off and
put it in the closet. Question and you put it
on when you went home? Answer? I put it on
at the restaurant, came back, ride the bike back home
because it's colder. Question when you got home, you took
take that off that sweatshirt? Answer yes. Question when you
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took it off, do you know what you did?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
With it.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Answer. I went to my room, took it off, put
it in the table. On the table I put on,
put my pants on this table. He didn't ask about
the pants. But I'm glad you're over sharing. Question. Let
me show you what has been marked as defense. Oh,
ask you to look at that. Do you recognize that
as your sweatshirt? Answered? That's correct, And so that means
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they took pictures of him in the sweatshirt or they
took pictures of the sweatshirt, he said. Question, and that
is the one with the Stanford on it. Answered that's correct. Question.
Now you notice above your wrist area below the d
appears to be a spot there looks like a red spot.
Answer yes. Question do you know what that is? Answer?
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I have no idea. Question Did you have any blood
on that shirt? Answer nope. I didn't have any blood
on the shirt. Question none, none that you're aware of.
Answer not that I was aware of. Question do you
know what that red spot could be? Answer nope. Oh,
you've got some feedback going on again there, Nolan something? Yes, yeah, something,
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because that's horrible sounding and it's causing feed All right, Okay,
do you know what that red spot could be? Answer nope.
Question did you spill anything on that shirt that you remember?
Answer nope. Question are you pretty sure that is not blood?
Answer I'm not sure about that. Question. Okay, did the
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police take this shirt? Answer no, and it's always nope.
It's never no or no either way. The police didn't
take his clothing. They took Wilson's clothing. So there's your
answer to that particular question. But it does appear as
though they took pictures of it, and obviously there is
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some red spots on it that they're questioning as to
whether or not they were blood. But why they didn't
take this shirt when they took everything from Wilson, It's
just beyond me. They basically sat in their minds on
the morning of the thirty first when they arrived and
found Gene basically is what they called her. When they
found Gene dead on the basement floor and the police
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came in, they immediately took every effort to put Wilson
as the suspect by way of taking his clothing, taking
a rate kid, a GSR kid like. They did everything
to pretty much hem this guy up from the very beginning.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I would love to see pictures of the socks.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
They did, obviously they didn't take anything from him.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah, no, no, I mean if they were getting the pictures. See,
there's something wrong with that whole situation. And just like
you're pointing out, he's dressed in one second.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
No, one second, one yep, once, that's the fastest get dressed.
Wake up from your He went like this.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
It was like I dream of Genie dressed.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
He twitched his nose. So the testimony is as as
it continues, is question you still have it? Answer yes.
Question did the police take any physical Excuse me, did
the police take any physical clothes from you? Answer? Nope?
What the f I like, don't even begin to understand.
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Why did you take it from Wilson but not from Coleman?
When you came home Saturday night? Was there anything on
the stove that was left over from anyone having apparently
cooked any meal? Answer nope. Question there was no pots
or pans or anything. No, there were Were there any
dish dirty dishes in the sink? Nope? Do you know
whether there was any dirty dishes?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Okay, so sorry, let's skip to the next section of
this because I found that one was kind of boring.
He's asking about dishes that didn't exist. Question Okay, how
about the turkey? Is that? Answer just turkey slice in
which meat, just put two pieces of bread and put
in microwave for one made of sandwich. Question that is
Friday night? Answer that is correct. Question what about the
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microwave dinner that you had on Friday night? Where did
that come from? Answer that was Saturday? Question that is
on Saturday night. Answer, I had a microwave meal on
Saturday night. Question that is the night that you had
dinner with miss Kim. Answer that is correct. Holy crap,
that right there should have stopped the entire I'm going
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to lose my crap right now. You guys, just reading
that particular question that mister Coleman had dinner with the
victim Saturday night while Wilson was gone, tells you that
she wasn't killed between twelve forty eight and one fifty
eight pm on Saturday. I'm absolutely sticking to my stomach
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by this, because here we have this testimony that's being
read off to the jury, and the jury is being
instructed or told by the DA that Miss Kim was
killed between twelve forty eight pm and one fifty eight
PM on Saturday, and now we have testimony, direct testimony
from Coleman saying that he had dinner with her that night.
It just makes me sick. Question, in fact, one reason
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you were confused here is because you had dinner with
miss Kim on Friday and on Saturday night. Isn't that true? Answer?
Not on Saturday night?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
What Saturday in the early am?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
No, that would have been Sunday. Now, that would have
been Sunday early am. The point here, though, is that
he just got done confirming that he had a microwave
dinner and he enjoyed a dinner with him on Saturday night.
Now when he said, now, when he's being asked, you
had dinner with Miss Kim both Friday and Saturday night,
he's saying, no, not on Saturday night. So which is it?
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I mean, Honestly, he recalls that the night he had
the microwave dinner was Saturday night and that he in
fact had dinner with it sounds to me like he
realizes that that now messes up the entire role of
the chronological order in which the DA is trying to
set up, and he's now a to correct that by
saying he didn't have dinner with her on Saturday night.
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I believe the earlier testimony is actually probably more factual.
For him to remember the microwave dinner, to remember that
that was Saturday night, not Friday night, and that he
had had dinner with Miss Kim. Absolutely crazy and now
am is still night.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
But he knows what he's doing, he knows what he's answered,
how he's helping us.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Did you catch any of that.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Nolan, Yeah, no, change it. He changed his testimony about
the dinner.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Well, he very distinctively remembers which night he had the
microwave meal and that he actively ate that meal with
Miss Kim, which puts her alive at eight thirty or
so when he got home. He says, he came home
from work and he, you know, made his meal. And
now he's specifically correct. He corrects the defense attorney by
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saying that the microwave dinner was not Friday night, it
was Saturday night, and that he had had dinner with
Miss Kim. So for him to come back and now
say not on Saturday night, like, it just blows my
mind that nobody bought up so question. You just said
that you did so basically the defense attorney saying you
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just said that you did have dinner with her Saturday night.
His answer, I had dinner with her many times. It's
hard to figure out what day and that two days.
But he just had thee saying he had dinner with
her both Friday and Saturday night. So it's not a
question of which day because you just stated you had
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dinner with her both days. Question when you called nine
one one, do you remember making that phone call? Answer yes.
Question do you remember telling the police that miss Kim
had been dead for four or five hours? Answer no?
Question did you as I say that?
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Now?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Does that ring a bell? What did you tell them? Answer? No,
I don't. I don't remember saying that, mister Periscope, I
think your honor, we have a stipulation at this point,
an examination of the nine one one tape. People's number
nine was played for the witness, Miss Condren. That is
correct the court. All right, mister Periscue. Questioned by mister Tondreu,
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So did you hear you say four or five hours?
Answer yes? Or longer? So now he said four or
five hours or longer is his testimony.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Question?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
So why did he have to hear the nine one
one tape to know that he said it again. I
feel like he's honestly attempting to deceive the court when
he's giving many of these answers. Okay, question that would
make you think she had excuse me, what would make
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you think she had been dead for four or five hours?
Miss Condren, Mister learof the record should show that the
person said was asked by the operator, do you know
how long she has been dead? And the person said,
I don't know, A long time, maybe said four or
five hours. I don't even believe that's accurate. I believe
that if we went back to the nine to one
one recording that what she just stated there is a
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little bit off from what we read A long time.
Maybe I don't remember him saying that, but we'll go
back and look at that. Okay, let's see by mister Tondra,
where do you come up with four or five hours? Answer?
Okay to me, the blood on the under not the
steps by her head. It was dry, she'd been there
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a long time, the basement is cold. And still didn't
answer why you felt four or five hours? Question do
you have any training in terms of looking at blood
and making an estimate? Answer? Nope? Question where did you
come up with four or five hours because there's dried blood. Answer,
I just said, been there at least four or five hours.
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Question In fact, the lighting was pretty bad at that
spot in the basement. Answer, like I said, I could
see Miss Kim's face though. Question even though there was
a brick fireplace between the light, I don't mean fireplace,
brick fireplace or chimney between the light and her head.
Answer I could see her face and her breast and
her exposed in the light. Yes, question you could see
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that her face was pale? Answer yes, like all white,
no color. Questions Did you touch anything when you went
down in the basement? Answer no, I didn't touch anything. Now,
if we remember before you guys, he never went into
the basement. He stopped at the third stair, was his claim.
And he couldn't see down past mister Wilson because it
was a narrow entryway into the basement. So how he
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could see around mister Wilson is beyond me. But now
he's answering that he didn't touch anything when he went
down into the basement, after stating he never fully went
down questions he answer.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
His testimony is really phishy, And if I'm a defense
where I tear him apart on cross examination and also
on final argument to the jury.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
His testimony is wishy washing.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It's crap. It's complete crap. He's answering any questions. He's
answering the questions with specififity. My tongue doesn't want to
work this morning, with actual memories, you know, the microwave
meal being on Saturday night, having had dinner with Miss Kim.
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But then when asked the direct questions, so you had
dinner with their Saturday night, he's saying no. So I
tend to believe where he is more specific about the
memories of the microwave meal. All right, let's see. All right,
So he was asked if there was any handrails and
his answer was no. Did you touch anything above you
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to stabilize yourself? Answer nope. Did you see mister Wilson
touch anything? Answer nope, Question not at all, answer nope.
Question did you see him touch the piece of wood
across Miss Kim's answer nope. We already heard testimony from
Coleman where he said that mister Wilson was trying to
lift that four x twelve off of.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Her down in the basement, that's why I'm I would
be interested in seeing pictures of those socks, which.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I'm okay, okay, I can't keep focusing you don't have any,
but I can't keep focusing on something we don't have. Period,
they didn't take pictures, it wasn't entered into evidence, and
they didn't take any of his clothing from him. So
question did you see I'm sorry? Question did you see
him move it as if he was going to do that?
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Answer nope. Question did you see him touch the ceiling
above him? Answer nope. Question you testified when mister Lureoff
was asking you questions that mister Wilson may have moved
around a little bit. Is that right? Answer? Yes, he
was moving around. Question how much time did you spend
moving around or did he spend moving around? Answer maybe
twenty thirty seconds something like that. Question And is that
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basically how long you stood there looking down at miss
Kim twenty or thirty seconds? Answer yes, something like that.
Question how long did you stay there looking at miss Kim?
Answer maybe thirty forty seconds? Question thirty or forty seconds?
Answer yes. Question and during that thirty or forty seconds
you see mister Wilson at the bottom of the steers
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moving around. Answer that's correct. Question what is he doing?
Answer he said he was trying to move the board
off Miss Kim. Question so he said that what did
you see him do? Answer? I didn't see anything. I
didn't see him do it. So now he didn't see anything.
Before he could see Miss Kim's face, her breasts, her
exposed body, her paleness, the dried blood, all these things
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he can describe, but he now doesn't see mister Wilson
doing anything. Question were you watching what he was doing? Answer? Yes?
Question were you watching what he was doing? Why did
they ask that? Twice? Miss Conduran objection? And I don't
know what her objection is. But mister Parscue says, excuse me,
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mister Parscue, you were watching what he was doing? Answer?
What watching him? But I couldn't see what he was
He was turned his back sometime sometimes not.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Confused.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Question could you see he was bending over? Answer no,
could Question could you see whether he was squatting down?
Answer no, sir. Question is there anything that you could
see that you saw him do while he was in
the bottom of the of the stairs? Answer no? Question
is that because the lighting was bad? Answer? No question.
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Why is it that you couldn't see what he was doing? Answer?
I just just couldn't see what he was doing. Question
Were you paid attention? Answer nope, You're not paying attention.
In the middle of a freaking murder scene, I would
be gawking so heavily, probably in shock. I wouldn't know
what to do. Like ah. Question did he ever step
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away from the bottom of the stairs. You know there
is kind of a last step at the platform that
is where the body was. Answer yes, question did he
ever step away from that area for you? Answer no question,
he was always on the flat platform. Answer yes. Question
when you were up making the nine to one to
one call, could you hear mister Wilson in the basement
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Wilson was shouting to you through the door? Answer no question.
Was mister Wilson shouting to you through the door? Answer
no question. Let me show you a page of a
report prepared by Officer Trio. Would you read the first
sentence in that paragraph right here to yourself? Answer yeah.
Question do you remember telling Answer yes, I remember saying that. Question.
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What did you tell him about mister Wilson shouting? Answer?
He said William William I jumped up and I put
my pants on, hold on and your shirt and your
shoots a speasure. Question slow down, keep your voice up.
Answer okay. Question was he shouting anything other than William
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William William? Answer no question. Did you hear him shouting
about Gene? Answer no question? Are you certain about that? Answer?
I'm certain about that question. Did you only hear mister
Wilson knock on the door one time? Answer yes? Question
Was there anyone in your room with you when mister
Wilson knocked on the door? Answer no. So that that
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is the end of what we have for mister Coleman's testimony.
I think that everybody can see how heavily confused this
individual is in his answers and what that literally means
to the freedoms of mister Wilson, because I think that
we had all the answers we needed to have right there.
That blew apart the DA's case and suggests that the
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murder did not occur between the hours of twelve forty
eight pm and one fifty eight pm on Saturday, since
Kim was alive and eating dinner with mister Coleman at
approximately eight thirty eight forty five pm, on Saturday evening
while mister Wilson was still off in San Francisco getting
his hand bandaged from the taxi cab driver slamming it
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in the car door and breaking I guess some fingers
and ripping off a fingernail, in which case there is testimony,
there is medical records, there is a incident report filed
by the cab driver in regards to the injury and
having done that injury to mister Wilson. So I really
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hope that he does get this writ of habeas corpus
based on some of this information. Now it starts to
get a little bit more interesting because now we get
into handwriting. I was actually provided with the handwritten receipts
that mister Wilson had received from miss Kim in regards
to paying rent and a contract that we're going to
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talk about, which I didn't even know about until Harriet
had actually researched and found information in regards to them
claiming that mister Wilson had killed Kim in order or
an attempt to take over her house. Right, that was
kind of the article you read.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
It would be the basics of the idea of why.
The theory as to why it happened.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Okay, so we're going to blow that theory out of
the water right now. So Lynda Condrin introduces false evidence
that Wilson forcefully sat Kim down on Saturday between twelve
forty eight pm and one fifty eight pm to write
receipts for September, November, and December, and the Public Defender
did not object to the introduction of that evidence. In fact,
there would be no reason to sit her down before
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killing her to write receipts for rent six to seven
months previous. Why sit her down in March and force
her to write a rental receipt for September, November, December? Like,
none of this makes any sense whatsoever. If he hadn't
been paying rent, would I would think that he would
have forced her to write him for the current months
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that he was there, right March February, you know something
recently to cover CYA.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, none of it makes three sense.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
No, no, So, nor would mister Wilson want to kill Kim.
She actually owed him nine months of free rent, rent,
free living in exchange for interest of five hundred and
twenty five dollars a month, and Louis alone that mister
Wilson actually gave Kim of three hundred thousand that shows
she was to pay back by the end of nineteen
ninety six. So they actually had a forensic document examiner
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involved in this case. It was Lloyd Cunningham. He testifies
that Kim actually wrote the receipts and signed the contract
that we're going to be looking at. So a little
bit of background on Lloyd Cunningham. I've had a couple
instances with him, may actually know him as one of
the original document examiners in the Zodiac Killer case. We
have never really had any pleasantries by any means. I
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did handle a case for a client. It was about
a three hundred and eighty thousand dollars fraud case where
the daughter of a man that has was basically you know,
going through dementia in Alzheimer's type issues, and she had
you know, filed for or I'm sorry, she had applied
for all kinds of credit.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
On the internet.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
He was a good old boy Italian, you know, mattress money,
wrote checks for everything, paid cash for everything, didn't have credit.
Now he's over eighty thousand dollars in debt. There's wills
that have been forged, I'm there to represent my client,
who is the current wife of this individual, to indicate
that these are forged wills. And it turns out that
Lloyd Cunningham ends up on the opposite side of the case.
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And of course I knew that he was up there.
I knew that there was the good old boy system
going on because all three of them, Lloyd Cunningham, the
judge on the bench, and the opposing council, were all
talking about having tickets to the game that night and
that they needed to make sure they were out of
there by four point thirty. That's when I firstly that
was in Ala I think it was Alameda County. Well, okay,
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I'd have to go back and check. It was the
Richard Scagliola case. And of course that case they won.
The opposing side won, and I was so broken hearted
because I knew that Lloyd Cunningham was in on it.
I knew that he was lying, just based on the
fact that they were all talking about having tickets to
the game together and they were going that night, that
we had no chance in hell of winning this case
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based on the facts. About ten months afterwards, I was
contacted by the very man who hired Lloyd Cunningham, and
he had now been defrauded by the same girls that
I was against in that courtroom. He said that he
and he was a former link analysis detective for the
San Francisco PD and he is good friends or what
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good friends with Lloyd Cunningham. He asked Lloyd Cunningham to
defend his stepdaughter, knowing that she was wrong, and he
had indicated to me that he had saved her many
times over her childhood and adult years. Every time she
got busted and brought home by the police, they would
just release them to him because interested the way, I
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heard that.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Somebody wants to contribute to the conversation.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Right right, So basically I had first hand conversation with
the individual who hired Lloyd Cunningham, knowing that Lloyd Cunningham
was getting up there to lie. And unfortunately this man
died about another eleven months afterwards because when he contacted me,
he reached out to me because he had been in
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the hospital suffering from MRSA while I was handling the
case in court. And while he went he had half
his foot removed waiting for the mother of the daughter
that I was going up against to show up to
pick him up from the hospital. Nobody showed up to
pick him up, so he had to take a cab
home from the hospital. After suffering all that he had
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gone through while he was there, he gets back to
his house in the Pacific Palisades and he finds that
seventy five percent of his house has been removed. These
girls while he was in the hospital, went in and
emptied out his house. Basically, he invited me up. I
got to come to his house. We sat down, we talked.
It was very disheartening to know that there was some
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and I get it. I know that there are people
out there capable of doing this. Call in a favor,
you'll get somebody off, especially if you have that kind
of poll being in the police or you know, knowing
people like Lloyd Cunningham. But shame on you, Lloyd Cunningham,
for getting up there and lying to the court and
allowing this woman to turn around and actually deprive the
very individual who asked you to help her from all
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of his livelihood basically, and I think that due to
to the severe stress and oh they also went into
his bank and cleared out his police account, so he
had a retirement fund account from having been with the police.
They cleared out that bank account, so they this man
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suffered so much stress after coming home and going through
something as tragic as MRSA and losing half his foot.
I think that the stress and the being overwhelmed and
his age and everything took its toll, and he died
shortly after. So I never actually got to go up
against these girls again. The lord.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
How did they get bank access.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Because she, the wife, was on the account, which is
the mother of the daughter right right. And it's even
crazier is that when the mother married his name was
Tom Dickinson. When the mother married him, he adopted the girl,
who then defrauded her biological father. So this girl had
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no care or concern for her her father ever obviously
to allow another man to adopt her, and I believe
that he adopted her after she was eighteen, So she
takes this man's last name long after she you know,
is an adult now, and then turns around and takes
her father and defrauds everything that she can and then
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forges a will giving her half of the house that
him and his current wife had owned, forcing my client
to have to sell her house or buy them out.
It was absolutely disgusting. Thank you good cunning him.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
So there's a little background, but obviously he was true
and correct in this particular case by stating that these
were written. I don't see any indications in this handwriting
of what I would consider to be stressed, dressed, or
undue influence. She doesn't. It doesn't. I mean I would
expect it if she's scared, if she believes her life
is in danger, that we are going to see tremors
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and shakiness and things going on. You don't see any
of that in these receipts. But again, these receipts have
no bearing on anything, and nobody would for she to
sit down and write something for six months back. It
makes absolutely no sense.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
So what I find out about the whole situation is
who the heck OANs someone three hundred thousand dollars? Just
I don't know where.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I'm gonna I'm gonna explain that now. So Kim told
Wilson that she was unable to sell her rental house
in San Jose and had to refin her Palo Alto
in order to cover the mortgage payment she needed three
hundred I don't know why three hundred K became the
magic number, but it sounded like she had three hundred
thousand dollars in equity in her Palo Alto home that
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she could tap into UH and and she stated she
there's a couple of stories. One was she was behind
on her mortgage. The other was that it was supposedly
going to be used for some type of investment, and
that's why under had discussed with his friends that we
that were interviewed, and we're going to talk about those interviews.
But Wilson went to an attorney, and he spoke to
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an attorney to ask him, you know, what the thoughts
were about doing this. So basically, the if she took
the three hundred k from the mortgage company, she would
have paid approximately sixty two hundred dollars in interest over
that nine months before paying it back. So she claims
she was going to pay it back by the end
of December of nineteen ninety six, and that would have
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cost her sixty two hundred dollars, So she was going
to save money. If in fact, Wilson loaned her that
money then in lieu of interest, which would the five
hundred and twenty five dollars a month in rent, he
wouldn't have to pay rent for the next nine months.
So that's where the story comes in where they tried
to state that he wasn't paying rent. No, he didn't
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have to. He had an agreement, He had a contract
with Kim to loaner the three hundred thousand for nine
months and he would live rent free for those nine months.
And here is that contract. And I looked through this
contract Harriet, and there's nothing that states if she'd defaults
on this particular note this is a personal loan, basically
that there's anything that indicates that he would have access
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to her home entirely if she defaulted. So it shows
the three hundred one thousand dollars loan contract confirmed by
Lloyd Cunningham as being signed by Kim and Claude cam
signed as a witness. This is one of the people
that were interviewed that took Wilson to the bank to
get the three hundred thousand out of the safety deposit box.
He accompanied mister Wilson back to his house and sat
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there and ate some pizza with him. Watched mister Wilson
walk out of the room with the money in the
contract that was not signed at that point in time
into the main part of the house, had Kim sign it,
dropped the money to her, came back in. Now Claude
witnesses the fully executed contract, and he signs as a
witness to this contract. So let's see, I think we
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just covered all of that. Claude Stadie did not see
Kim or watch or sign it, but signed as a
witness to the contract being executed by both parties. Another friend, Shari,
who was also aware of this agreement between mister Wilson
and Kim, and both friends stated that mister Wilson was
a nonviolent person. They could not see that he would
have been somebody to have physically attacked anybody.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Now.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
First trial in November of nineteen ninety eight, evidence was
presented that Kim, her sister jaw Chushin, and her son
Richard Kim, was involved in drug trafficking and money laundering.
Richard Kim went to prison for this. Mister Wilson also
discovered that Kim did not own a home in San Jose,
so she lied, saying that she couldn't sell this rental house,
but once she did, she'd pay him back. There was
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no house to be sold sounds to me like Kim
is up to some nefarius stuff herself, and she was
behind in her payments in the pillow out to home.
But mister Wilson didn't find any of this out until
afterwards in trial. Kim's family also never returned to the
three hundred thousand to mister Wilson, So we don't know
what happened to this money, but I have a theory.
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On eighty four of nineteen eighty eight, Richard Don Kim
In ninety eight, and Strata were charged with thirteen charged
with thirteen fifty one possession of narcotic controlled substance for sale.
Search warrant found three quarter ounts of cocaine and an
oh house scale and six baggies containing marijuana totaling over
an ounce found in the bedroom. In the kitchen they
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found plastic baggies, zigzags and approximately a quartergram of loose marijuana.
In the garage, they found three plastic baggies with cocaine
each continuing about an ounce, a three being scale, and
Richard's nineteen eighty seven white Ford Mustang outside a nineteen
eighty three Mercury Capri actually owned by the Elite cleaners
which is Kim's business owned by Hawkdew Kim. In the
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backyard two marijuana plants eighteen inches tall that Richard klayin
were there when he moved in, but a hose leading
to them shows he was cultivating them. The search warrant, oh, you.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Want to finish this. You're venturing now into my territory
that's publicized it.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Let's watch this go because it gets The other search
warn of Richard's car found twenty two thousand and twenty
dollars wrapped in a grocery bag and then wrapped in
two large plastic bags, noting that the bags reaped of marijuana,
and eight five of nineteen eighty eight, Hawkeju Kim shows
up to the police department with her sister Shin, who
doesn't supposedly doesn't speak English, claiming that the Mustang was
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owned by her and her son, that her and her
sister took the car the night before the arrestaurant was
served shopping, and that Shinn had with her twenty four
thousand dollars she had removed from the bank to appear
semi poverty in order to apply for low income housing
that her and Shin put twenty two thousand in the
trunk and took the remaining two thousand into the Oriental
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Market with them and failed to remove the other twenty
two thousand before returning the car to Richard Kim. It
sounds to me that mom was very well aware of
what Sun was doing, and son is doing it in
a car and she's driving a BMD. Why does she
go all the way to her son's house in another
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town to borrow the Mustang? So I think that literally
he may have been looking at some trouble from the
drug dealers that he probably owed that money to for
the sales, or she just didn't want to lose that cash.
Either way, she was willing to perpetrate a con on
the police department and show up and state that that
money belonged to her sister in order to get it
back out of evidence. I don't know what the disposition
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of that was.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Well, can I say there's something really, really, really quick? Okay,
was the big guy?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
That the big guy?
Speaker 4 (42:35):
He dies the early to mid nineteen nineties, Okay, I
know money. Well, That's what I'm trying to say. Then
the next step is the CAUNTI cartel, which was big
in the Bay Area, right so if money's back there.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I don't I don't want to like start theories about
who they who they were selling for. We just know
that they are literally yeah, the cars are owned by
Kim and her son. That one of them is actually
registered to the business itself. So it sounds to me
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like Kim has more going on here than others knew about.
The question now becomes what she needed that three hundred
thousand for? Right, I mean, honestly speaking, why did you
need three hundred thousand invest in what? Or did she
owe big money to somebody?
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Was she money?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Why didn't Wilson get security for the loan, like a
DITA trust or something.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Well, he didn't know that. You got to think that
this contract's written on March first. She dies on March
thirty first. So I'm starting to under once again this
vehicle that was under the car cover that I mean,
who's who parks I'm not going to pull up to
my friend's house and break out my car cover and
cover my car. Somebody has a very expensive vehicle or
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they don't want it to be seen by somebody to
take that kind of care of their vehicle. Now, was
that person part of the drug trafficking and the money laundry,
and the person who killed Kim, who knows.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
When her car is gone? Isn't that part of the
theory that whoever had drove that of the car went
with her in the beer when the beer's gone.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Absolutely, Because when Coleman returns home, Miss Kim's cars back
in the driveway and there's no car underneath the.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Copper or the other car's gone. Yeah, right, that's.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Another sign that miss Kim was still alive at eight
thirty at night.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
That's also a sign that she knew whoever had the
other vehicle.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yes, so I viewed all the police reports in regards
to this incident. Now, if there were the case. Now,
if this were the case and hawk Ju Kim got
herself involved in a money laundry and drugs with her son,
one would have to wonder who she was indebted to.
And if Officer Yure was on the take from the
very people who killed her. There's motive to blame mister
Wilson and there's a patsy and to close the case
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on him as fast as possible. If my theory that
mister Coleman left the country because he saw what happened
to mister Wilson rather than being the killer himself. So
I'm still up in the air. I know that Coleman
is lying out his teeth for some reason, but it
may also be because he's just scared to death. I
I that's the next Patsy exactly. So he is back
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and forth, doesn't know what you know he's saying, doesn't
remember what he said, and he's basically just outright lying
about things.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
And went to Mexico, right, He went to Mexican purportedly,
that's it. Yeah, if he was in on something, he's
gone now.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
I reached out to some wrongful or to some innocent
projects on behalf of mister Wilson. I did get the
information and uh intake forms out to him this last week,
along with some follow up questions like where did the
three hundred thousand come from?
Speaker 4 (45:57):
There?
Speaker 3 (45:58):
I think there was a couple questions that I had
in there that were posed by Nolan in one of
our last episodes. So hopefully I'll get those answers and
they'll be just a short follow up that will come
and we're going to be climbing right back into the
zodiac next week. I'm excited, guys, we'll be back any
anything else you guys want to add comment on that?
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Red flags so many weird things going on here, you know.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
And I know if I was learning three hundred grand,
I do a background check, I would get a DIDA.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Trust. I made a mistake of lonely in three grand
and not getting security, kicking myself for that.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I suppose that even though it was a personal note
with nothing backing it, that if she failed to pay,
he could have probably taken a lean on her property
for it. Perhaps, right, I mean, she owes him the money,
he's got the contract. There's no fighting that she has
an asset that can be tapped, right, Yeah, and hopefully
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it may or may not even have the equity that
she claimed that it had in it. I mean, again,
we already see that she's lying, she's manipulating. She is
at a minimum. I think the money laundering, if it
doesn't come into play with the sisters supposedly taking this
money from her account so that she can look or
appear poverty ridden so she can apply for low income housing,
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which is all dastardly by itself. How do you come
to this country and attempt to use it? Well, I
tent well, and I tend to believe that that's not
even really the truth of the story. I believe that
Kim was trying to get that money back because it
was owed to drug dealers.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Well can I can I say something really really quick?
This is wreaking of every the Escobar cartel and Colleague cartel,
where they if a family member is somehow mixed up
in this drug mess, they kill. They have the family
member killed to blackmail the other person. And they're very
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influential in all kinds of people. I mean, it's big.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
So you know what, I like, Avenue. I did some
research and I actually found that we got one minute,
but I actually found a Richard Don Kim in Saratoga, California,
which is a very affluent area.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
No, it is yeah, really nice and purportedly.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
If I've got the right person, which I believe I
do because it links the same address, it shows that
he's a president for some company called Landmark LCD's Inc.
So that comes into and that's making LCD screens for
different devices. If this is one on the same person,
then the possibility is that three hundred thousand was invested
into him. Either way, missus.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Developer company yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Now now it's to follow the money. You know, where
did it go to? Who ended up with it? It
was certainly handed over to miss Kim. What did she
do with that cash? So there's much more investigation that
could go here if somebody wanted to take the time
to do it either way.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Her bank.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Again and tracking that money is going to be the key.
I think to who maybe if I'm.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
A dejective, I don't try and find that money. That's
one of the first things I do.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
I know. All right, you guys, we are at that
final hour. You had something else you wanted to say
real quick.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Well for me, I'm just saying this is getting interesting
because you're in my territory when it talks to the.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Anyways, and I guess we won't rightly know. It's definitely
out there. But I want to thank everybody for being
with us and making it through this wrongful conviction case.
I look for that rid of habeas corpus for mister
Wilson and his freedom to finally be achieved. Everybody, take Karen,
will see you next Friday. Thank you, You guys, all right,
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