December 5, 2025 • 51 mins
One of the most controversial suspects in the Jon Benet Ramsey murder is John Mark Karr, and I simply can’t ignore the simple “coincidences” surrounding his confession, earlier charges of pedophilia, Zodiac Killer letters to Tom Voigt, extradition, subsequent acquittal of all charges, and the rabbit hole I found myself in after following some of the connections. I was right back in the middle of John Walsh, Jeffrey Epstein, and those they are affiliated with. How this shapes history and future.
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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac
to Welcome to the show today, Nolan del Campo.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Good morning everybody. Sorry about my lighting.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
No, that's okay, you're incognito. You just need some dark
glasses like Terry b used to wear. And I'd like
to also welcome Lindsay Mack. I'm all Mac macbrayer prayer.
Good morning, beautiful. All right, So this last week got
a little bit in saying, you guys, I hate it
(01:28):
when I get taken down a rabbit hole, but I
think I got sucked in for about six hours last
Sunday on some of this stuff. I was trying to
do some research on John Mark Karr, and my fingers
just led me to where my fingers led me to
and I hope I can make those connections as to
how my brain operated in the way I ended up
finding the things that I found. But we are going
to definitely go from john Mark Carter segueing back to
(01:50):
today and current things, because some stuff was just absolutely
awe shocking. Last week, we were finishing off on a
article that was in regards to John Mark Carr. It
was written in two thousand and six, of course, after
he was turned it after he turned himself in. So
this was Saturday, August nineteenth of two thousand and six.
(02:11):
This article was written. I don't see the name of
the person, but it was the Spokesman Review from Washington.
I'm not sure why they climbed in other than the
fact that John Benney Ramsay was pretty much an international case.
Everybody knew about this little girl. This particular article read though,
and we started it. I started this portion, but I
(02:33):
just want to refresh. We'll start from the beginning of
the article and make her way through. It says case
and now everybody case is the interesting. She has a
case which is john Mark Carr, but she is the
attorney for john Mark Carr. And it says Cay said
that she did not know the depth of the investigator's
suspicion in two thousand and one that her client could
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have had a role in John Benney's death, but she
said it seemed somebody dropped the ball. She said that
she was not contacted by law enforcement officials from Boulder,
and that no one sought to test her client's DNA
to determine whether it matched evidence from the Colorado crime.
It never went anywhere, she said, So this was supposedly
a inside information that she had been given by somebody
(03:16):
that John Mark Carr was purportedly a suspect of interest
in de John Benny Ramsey murder as early as two
thousand and one, which I know he moved from Alabama
to Pedaloma, California, I want to say in two thousand
and one, because this is where he gets busted ultimately
before leaving the country. And I don't know in hindsight
(03:38):
when she's discussing this in two thousand and six, that
she's revealing these type of sentiments in two thousand and
six because he is, you know, worldwide news at this point,
and she had previously been his attorney. But she goes
on to say, and her name is Marie Case, who
represented Carr on two thousand and one misdemeanor charges, said
(03:58):
Friday that members of the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department mentioned
to her at the time that there was possibly some
involvement in the Ramsey slain twelve hundred miles away in Boulder, Colorado,
just saying, hey, we're looking at this guy, so what
what is it that you know? She was told at
that time, And like she said, they they were interested
in him, but never ran his DNA. And needless to say,
(04:20):
when we when we do see him get busted and
his DNA's ran, he is not a match. But he
has some inside information that makes it plausible for our
country to believe he is the suspect. And we fly
all the way to Europe and we you know, gather
him up and we've extra di ited him back here
to California. And that's pretty much where this article is
going to go.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah a good question.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, oldest Sonoma Kuty Sheriff Department have been looking at
the John Brancakes exact. Well, why would they share their
information with Bowler.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Right right there? Well, that's that whole pissing contest. Everybody
wants to be the person, right, Yeah, you bagged the
man who blocked the suspect who you know, in either way,
if they thought they had him incarcerated at this point
time in two thousand, when she's if they searched his
house or what, I'm assuming that their thought process for
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having him as a suspect was before he moved to California,
I mean obviously, right, So how she gets this with
you know, this whisper from you know, law enforcement is
is beyond me. But again, I don't know if she's
just looking for fifteen minutes of fame to say I
represented him back then, and he was a suspect back then,
(05:40):
and she's just highling on you know, the plus plus factor.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
It's odd for law enforcement to reach out to defense
attorneys with any information.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, and I think says she said that, Well, so
members of the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department mentioned to her
at that time. So so for whatever reason, law enforcement
and what you're right, why would they be sharing anything
like this. He is incarcerated it at this point for
(06:11):
child pornography. I would assume that his DNA would have
had to have gone into the system, right, two thousand
and one. We're doing that, are we?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Okay? But I thought at the time, but I know now,
could he porners up feeling?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah? Yeah, it's not a misdemeanor, I think. But this
is written after the fact. And of course they subdue
the things they want to subdue, right, they blow up
the things they want to blow up. Like that, the
media is ultimately in control in the thought processes and
the narratives that we're going to perceive. I guess. The
article goes on to say on Wednesday, Sonoma court records
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show at California Superior Court judge granted prosecutor's requests to
steal the police reports that had led to cars arrest
on the child pornography charges. That blows by minde.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
I'll tell you why.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well, he was a patsy. Well, I know, and that's
kind of what I'm leading to in the whole he
was and I'm not going to say he's a patsy.
A patsy as somebody who blamed the crime on unbeknownst
to them, right, in.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
This sense, it was a different type of patsy.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I think in this sense that he was the
distractor and he was given full reign and opportunity. But
the connections that we're going to make here today, just
again they blow my mind, it says. The porn charges
were lodged against Car less than a year after he
moved with his family from rural Hamilton, Alabama, to Petaluma,
a small town in California Wine Country, in the summer
(07:37):
of two thousand. Several acquaintances from Alabama interviewed Friday said
they never understood why the family left. Starting in early
two thousand and one, Car worked sporadically as a substitute teacher.
That April, Sonoma County detectives informed him that he was
under suspicion for child pornography based on a confidential tip.
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Investigators served two homes in Pedaluma and seized two computer
hard drives, a laptop, computer, and other equipment that belonged
to Carr. During an hour long videotaped interview with Detective
Martin Frey, Carr denied that he had engaged in child pornography,
according to court records. The records indicate that he told
Frey he was researching a book about Richard Allen Davis,
(08:22):
the man convicted of another notorious child slain in the
nineteen ninety three. Yeah, the nineteen ninety three murdered of
twelve year old Poly Class, who had lived in Pedaluma.
Carr said he kept Class's death certificate in a binder
at home. The record show Carr was charged with five
counts of child pornography. In an interview Friday, Mark Klass,
Polly's father, said he had never heard of Car until
(08:44):
his arrest this week, but speculated that Carr came to
Pedaluma to be close to the side of his daughter's death.
The guy had an obsession with my daughter. Class said.
He lived in Alabama with his family, and all of
a sudden he moved to a sleepy little farm community
in northern California and ends up living eight tenths of
a mile from where she was. This guy seems to
be a little dead girl group pedophile groupie. Now. The
(09:07):
only thing that really boggles me about this is that
Class was killed in nineteen eighty three, one year before
Walsh's son. Why, if you're a groupie, you move when
all the happenings are happening, you know, only not nearly
a decade later. So whether he had an a you know,
infinity for you know, looking up class or or keeping
(09:29):
information in regards to her, almost as if he's cataloging
some of these deeds. I guess, if you will, that's
the way.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
He's part of.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
He's some type of way linked to their little crew
of like like it's like a serial killer group. That yeah,
a different aspect. He was a different player of that group.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That's what That's what I think. I think this evidence
shows that there's definitely some inclusion with John Mark Car.
So on Thursday, after learning that car may have corresponded
with Davis Class's killer, guards at San Quentin State Prison
searched Davis's death row cell but found no evidence, according
to Lieutenant Eric Messick, a prison spokesman. On Friday, Case
(10:19):
Carr's former defense attorney confirmed in an interview that she
had been aware her client had an interest in both
the Class and Ramsey cases. After Car's arrest in two
thousand and one, the bond was set at one hundred
thousand and he was jailed for five months. Carr was
released under a program of supervision. He skipped a court
appearance before the trial and left town. He just vanished, disappeared.
(10:40):
Case said, now, is that normal Nolan in these types
of cases where they would imprison you for five months
and then just before your trial let you go.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Depends on his record, I would think, and if he's
deemed to be a potential threat to the community or
to be bailed out, so there's got to be a
bailam in those things. And then my thing is, did
he get convicted of a mistermeror or a feeling? Because
I think back then it was told maybe they reduced it,
(11:11):
maybe they pled out and reduced it to a mistermeanor no.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
No, he never even appeared at trial. He left the country.
So we've got a William Coleman on our hands here, right.
You've been busted or you're being looked at for a crime,
and you just leave the country, which this boggles me.
So if his bond was set at one hundred thousand,
then that means he would have had to come up
with ten thousand dollars right to get out of jail.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Unless he's represented by a private council, it would be
eight thousand.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Okay. Even then the man is acting sporadically as a
substitute teacher. Where do you come up? Where do you
come up with eight thousand dollars? You know this is
like Jack and his lack of jobs and being able
to move and buy places in different states, constantly on
the go, going here and going there. It's an oddity.
(12:05):
I know that right now, somebody asked me to come
up with eight grand and bail myself out. I have
to sell something.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
In the bail analysis, especially at that time. It's changed
a bit because of recent cal For's Supreme Court cases,
but it's still essential to same. It's two things, threat
to the community and flight risk.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Well, if the.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Guys from Alabama, that makes him a flight risk to
begin right there. And if it's the wherewithal of the
post eight grand bail, that means he's got the wear
with all to get plane tickets.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well, and that's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
So just to took flight risk and he's the potential
threat to the community, he's a pedophile.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You're saying all that the oh, I'm getting goosebumps. You're
saying all the things that I think when I think
about this man going to jail for five months and
then being released forty five days, so he had to
come up. Why didn't he come up with this bail
money in the first five months? Why was it that
it occurred at the time that it did. I have
so many questions.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
That's odd.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Well, it says on Thursday, after learning that car may
have corresponded with oh we already did that, okay, and
to the next one. Oh huh, all right, So this connection.
So I told you guys, I'm going to keep you
in the loop of my brain. So this guy has
a connection or an interest in the class case. Now
we know that Polyclass created some legislation, right, yeah, And
(13:30):
then we know that John Benet Ramsey case also or
I'm sorry, John Walsh case a year later, not only
created some legislation but also then created the National Center
for Missing and Exploited Children. So something seems to fall
in line. And we've also got John Walsh beginning the
(13:51):
America's Most wanted with the FBI, which is what I
find so interesting about the National Center for Missing and
Exploited Children, because once I started to look into that.
So Polyclass is murdered on October first, nineteen eighty three.
It garnered national media attention, made media outlets big money
on the stories, which garnered national media attention and created legislation.
(14:14):
Adam Walsh in nineteen eighty four made media outlets big
money on stories that garnered world world media attention and
created legislation, and the National Center of Missing and Exploited Children,
and John Walsh becomes the host of America's Most Wanted.
So when I looked up the National Center for Missing
and Exploited Children, I came across this from Wikipedia, says
(14:37):
the abbreviated NCMEC is a private, nonprofit organization established in
nineteen eighty four by the United States Congress. So that's
the legislation I'm talking about that they create. Government created
this on behalf of John Walsh. So in September twenty thirteen,
the United States House Representatives, United States Senate, and the
President of the United States reauthorized the allocation of already
(15:00):
million in funding for the organization as part of Missing
Children's Assistance Reauthorization Act of twenty thirteen. The current chair
of the organization is John Grosso of Coles So Cole's
Department Stores, Think Very Big.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
And see and it used to be jac Penny.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Wow. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Really.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yeah, I don't know where the Coles came from. I've
never heard that.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
That's that's what we have here. And I want to
say that we still had j C. Pennies at the
time Coles possibly was around. I can't really recollect for
a long time. It wasn't the mall for a very
long time, right, So typically j C. Pennies you'd find
in the mall. Coals you usually find in a strip mall,
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not like a standard mall like the Galleria exactly.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
So it says real quick before we get off.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That I'm not getting off of this. We're going to
be here a minute, go ahead. Well I was.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
I was just gonna say, I know for a fact
that's Jase Penny because they still have the signs on
jcpenny doors. I went to a j Spenny last year
and saw it and I was mind blown about fell
on the floor when I seen that it had the
little code atom uh symbol on the freaking front.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Door of j C.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Penny.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I literally and I videoed it. I was like, holy
s Hi, what.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Are you talking about? The code?
Speaker 6 (16:30):
So Code ADAM is a thing that they put into
into department stores to uh. It's it's like a protocol
that aught that they put in. Certain department stores have
to adopt it, adopt to it and uh where they
have like this, certain protocol what the employees are supposed
to do in case of a kidnapping.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Oh yeah, it's really strange.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Actually have been closing or whatnot like the series in
other places like that. Even the Macy's are closing now.
But did Coles acquire part of J C. Penny or
overtaking that might be.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
That might be what has happened, and that may be
whyt Wikipedia has updated to that.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I guess, you know how sometimes they close here, but
they're still open in other states. So things like Albertson's
and I mean these different stores that we used to
once have here in California. It's almost as if they
start up here in California, move themselves across the East
and then slowly but surely are you know, replaced by
other entities here in California. But they still remain open.
(17:37):
Like Lindsay said, she saw what j C. Pennies last year.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Yeah, and ours is still open our.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Okay, So see jay C. Penny's is not gone. It's
just been rebranded, renamed, re whatever, and probably to get
them out of those contracts in those malls that are
going down and under when the mall starts to fail
and nobody's going there anymore, and they want to produce
a larger, greater, better mall. You know, they start shutting
down all those little stores and they reopen under different names,
(18:06):
I believe. Yeah, so this says the current Yeah. The
current chair of the organization is John Grosso. Cohle's NCMEC
handles cases of missing miners from infancy to young adults
through age twenty. Primarily funded by the United States Department
of Justice, the NCMEC acts as an information clearing house
and resource for parents, children, law enforcement agencies, schools, and
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communities to assist in locating missing children and to raise
public awareness about ways to prevent child abduction and child
sexual abuse. John Walsh, Noreene Gohosh, mother of Johnny Gosh,
who went missing in nineteen eighty two, and others advocated
establishing the center as a result of frustration stemming from
a lack of resources and a national coordination between law
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enforcement and other government agencies. Whoo Okay, My issue here
is that the information that Lindsey Mack has shared with
us indicated that John Walsh did not want help from
FBI and other agencies.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Correct, Correct, And that's documented.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
So why are we getting a forty million dollars a
year contract to create a center to bring the law
enforcement together when he did everything to avoid the assistance
a law enforcement agencies is question number one now as
I get further into it. On April six, twenty eighteen,
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it was announced in Forbes magazine that the Department of
Justice had seized and shut down the website of frequent
nemesis of NCMEC called backpage dot com, on the grounds
that it had frequently facilitated human trafficking. Now, mind to
with this is that they're very well aware now Internet
servers are not being held responsible. So there are actual
(19:58):
laws in the Internet RURLD where the person who's posting
these individuals that are creating these types of websites cannot
be held responsible for how their patrons use their sites.
I think that's complete. BS. Yeah, you are making a
type of money that you're making off of servicing individuals.
You should also have who Facebook monitors us, Lincoln monitors us,
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You too monitors us? Why are these other people monitored
or monitoring the individuals that are using their their servers
to create or to commit crimes. Also, this kind of
reminded me of is NCMEC getting rid of their their
(20:42):
competition exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I don't know me, you.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Guys well, and it makes sense because they have access
to as you just read, they have access to even
the pictures that the yearbook comes to the school and.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Takes the pictures of these children.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
They have access all have access to those pictures, all
of them, anytime they want.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And I think this might have been what Harriet was
alluding to when she stumbled onto the National Center. I
got the sense that she was trying to explain to
me there was something nefarius about this agency and wait
till you get to the part that really blew my
shorts off. But that might have been what she was
(21:38):
trying to allude to in some of her solves, it says.
NCMEC released a statement, The National Center for Missing and
Exploited Children just learned that backpage dot Com was seized
by the FBI, I r S and the US Postal
Inspection Service with analytical assistance from the Joint Regional Intelligence Center.
This is another step in the year's long fight against
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the exploitation of victims who were brought and sold for
sex on backpage dot Com. Hashtag NCMEC is waiting alongside
the rest of the world to see what will come next.
We stand by the victims and their families as they
process this news and continue to fight for justice against
those who profited from their abuse hashtag and sex trafficking.
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In September of twenty thirteen, the United States House of Representatives,
the United States Senate, and the President of the United
States voted to reauthorize the forty million in funding for
the organization as part of Missing Children's Assistants Reauthorization Act
of twenty thirteen. In nineteen eighty four, the US Congress
passed the Missing Children's Assistants Act, which established a National
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Resource Center and clearinghouse on Missing and Exploited Children. On
June thirteenth, nineteen eighty four, the center, formed by Adam
Walsh's parents, Revey and John Walsh, alongside other children's advocates,
was officially opened by President Ronald Reriggan in a White
House ceremony. The national twenty four hours toll free Missing
Children's hot Line one eight hundred the Lost was also established.
(23:05):
Did I wait a minute? Where did I?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
And?
Speaker 6 (23:09):
When George Bush came into the effect, he passed the
Law for the Sex of the National Sex Offender Registry.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Say that again, then that's so.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
So at first the National Sex Offender Registry actually was
only in.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
A couple of states, and he made a.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Made a deal where it would where every state had
to adapt to it, so that way it could be
in every state where they could track any sex of
any sex offender that has created any type of prime.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Uh to a minor and there.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
And that's so that's another system, another database that they
created so they could just pick these people out any
time they want to pin something on them.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Now, so so when did you when did Bush do that?
Speaker 5 (24:04):
You know, it was one of the last years. It
was one of the very last years that he was
in office.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
That was Bush, not w Right.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Yeah, Bush Bush Junior.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, so when was Bush Junior president.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Before Obama? So right, so yeah, in the oh, I'm
looking up on my computer.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Now, yeah, yeah, two thousand and one would have been president.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
George Senior was president from eighty eight to ninety two,
I believe.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Okay, so this is well after the fact that this
would have been Junior's act.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Then, Oh, yeah, it was. It was definitely him.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Yeah, Reagan did the other one. So I'm thinking he
was the next president after Reagan, but who knows.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
But it's Bush Junior that we see hanging out with Epstein, right.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Oh, two thousand Actually, guess what it was actually done
on Adam Walsh's birthday, July twenty seventh of two thousand
and six.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Okay, yeah, that's because he ran twice.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
He ran two years, right, I'm sorry, two terms. Yeah,
oh yeah, okay, and so but again back to its
Bush Junior we see with Epstein, right, not Granddaddy Bush. Okay,
so we're making those connections here. Now here's the controversy,
and this is what threw me for a loop, it says.
In August of twenty twenty four, former NCMEC board member
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Don McGowan criticized the organization's board in a Tech Dirt
podcast appearance, stating, I mean NCMEC has data in its
stat banks that say some of the kids most at
risk in the world are trends kids, and they ignore
that data. Goes on to say in February of twenty
twenty five, so here just recently, this is why it's
(25:58):
part of what I'm doing, because this stuff is still
ongoing in February twenty five, under the threat of losing
funding from the federal government under the Trump administration that
NCMEC scrubbed all resources relating to or mentioning lgbt US
as well as removing resources for male victims of child trafficking.
(26:19):
What the f.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
So I have seen that so.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Basically or afraid if they kept it that type of
their operational live that Trump would cut their fundy funding.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
And did you see the picture of like last year,
i mean last month of him of John Walsh standing.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Next to Trump at his freaking desk in the White House.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
No, yeah, And I was wondering.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
What that was about.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
And it seems like he's undercover, outing him and but
making it look like everything's okay.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Well, I'm just more or less plored. What do they
think that male victims don't have the same right as
female victims. And if our tax paying dollars are going
to this type of an organization that was to protect children,
it should protect both girls and boys. Yes, correct, whether
they're transgendered or not. But they're absolutely right. Transgendered are
the ones most at risk because they're usually displaced from
(27:22):
home early, they are on the streets, they are unable
to you know, be safe in their own skin, and
who they are around their families, so they end up
running homeless most of the time. And then these are
the kids that they're picking up.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
It's it's crazy how they claim that they labeled in
those trans but the most, but the most, the ones
that they are interesting in the most are the little
boys I know.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
And so why does this get scrubbed from the National
Center of Missing Children? And it says LGBT as well,
not just transgendered kids. But these are the ones that
are looking for acceptance and they're probably easy to groom,
probably easy to pay money to to get them on
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board with whatever the tactics that there are. I I'm
just blown away that they were able to scrub that word,
scrub all the resources.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
So then if you notice the ones that are are
trans or whatever, are they're confused or they're in that
state where they don't know which way to go, those
are the ones, like you just said, they pick out.
And another reason I think they pick them out and
that this was probably scrubbed is because they also use
those individuals to blame other things such as like gun violence.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
They blame it on them all the time.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And those individuals are certainly taking some type of you know, antidepressants,
and yeah, oh, I thought I would look up who's
in charge of this joint and it was this John Grosso.
So I ran a check on him to kind of
see what's going on. And of course when I ran
(29:15):
a check on him, I ended up with some extremely
interesting links being Pittsburgh Crime Family. I don't know why. Again,
I did not have time to read through most of these,
but when I type in John Grosso, why is the
Pittsburgh Crime Family coming up? And then I saw something
from Reddit that said bye bye bye, mister Grosso. So
I went into that link because clearly that contained his name,
(29:39):
but it said yep, my asm just confirmed it. He
even questioned, what the hell is going on? Are they
jumping ship or what? I know? The investors have been
very unhappy with the way things are going. But yeah,
Michelle Gas and John Grosso are out. So when I
went into the reddit, yeah, when I went into the reddit.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
When I just looked him up, this is what it read.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
July eight, twenty twenty five, NCR Digital editor John Grosso
shares his favorite meatless meal for lent because it's like
in the it's like from the National This is from
the National Catholic Reporter. Whatever he said for lant one
of the four horsemen of Roman Pasta, greedy and ingredients
(30:22):
is blah blah blah blah blah. You know what pas
pasa is.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. We're gonna get
to that in about two seconds. I love you're always
one step ahead of me. But it's because we're researching
the same stuff without even you know, checking in with
each other on.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
What we're doing it.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yes, So on the Reddit article it said bye bye bye,
mister Grosso. Now that Grosso has left the company, who
will be next, how many additional upper level cuts will
be made, what other changes what we see as the
fiscal new year begins. I went down a little bit,
of course. It was back and forth, just talking about,
you know, the astonishment of Grosso being out because of it.
He has been running Cole's department store for who knows
(31:02):
how long. But I came across this one from Luna
Soulshine that says I think it had more to do
with the fact that he got called out for selling
these men's pajamas when he is a chair on the
board of the directors for the NCMEC and it says,
if you know you know? So I looked at this
particular we can see these shorts right here, guys, and
(31:24):
I could see this emblem, this TRIANGLEA I'm getting goosebumps too,
me too, I automatically said, I feel like I just
recently saw this label, and what is this about? So
if you know, you know, I got to find out, right,
inquiring minds need to know. So I went into a
post that I made approximately two weeks ago from one
(31:48):
of my former clients and friends. Now we are friends
on Facebook, and she will post every now and again
things in regards to, you know, the stuff anybody would
want to hate. Let's share this with everybody. So she
sends me this thing that is called codes pedophiles used
to communicate. And the first symbol is the symbol found
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on these men's shorts, and it's called the boy whoa art. Yeah,
so this symbol is for pedophiles. They use it for
the boy lover. This logo, featuring a blue spiral shaped
triangle surrounded by a larger triangle, is used by pedophiles
(32:29):
who like young boys. The small triangle represents a small boy,
while the bigger one represents an adult man, according to
the FBI document. Now, the next symbol is kind of similar,
but it's rounded instead of angular like the triangle, but
it has the same inner circle movements, and it's called
the little boy lover. This is a variation of the
(32:52):
boy lover logo used by pedophiles who like very young boys.
It also features a spiral shaped triangle, but it's are
not straight. This is deliberate and is meant to resemble
the scribbling of a young child. FBI agents say. Then
they use the heart, which this is disgusting because I
feel like the heart is just like ugh, it's one
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of the things you want for caring, not for abusing,
And it's basically the same type of movement in the
heart that you see in the triangle, only the inner
heart obviously is going to be expressed as a little girl,
So it's called the girl lover logo. This logo, featuring
a small heart surrounded by a larger heart, signifies that
a pedophile is sexually attracted to young girls. The two
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hearts symbolizes a relationship between an adult male or female
and a minor girl, according to the US agency. Then
it gets down into what looks like a butterfly and
all the wings are made out of hearts. This logo
is used by pedophiles who do not have a gender preference.
These people are sexually attracted to young boys and girls.
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Then there's a the child Love online media activism logo
CLOMAL and I guess that's the acronym clo ms and
mary al. This symbol is used on social media by pedophiles.
It tells other predators that they are interested in children.
The FBI bulletin describes how pedophiles are using logos like
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this one to promote their cause. Now it goes into
a little bit more here it says xxx is the
terminology used to refer to sites with child pornography pack
a set of child pornography photos, usually in downloadable format.
DW is short for Deep Web or Dark Web IRC
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Text Messaging System CP slash ts slash ls are the
acronyms that identify that the message refers to child pornography.
Then they go on to show what they the equivalent
of these children and things mean. So, if it's a walnut,
that's referring to children of color. If it's a hot
dog that equals a boy, If it's a pizza, that
(35:02):
equals a girl. If it's cheese, that's a little girl.
If it's chicken or pasta, there you go, there's your
pasta's hmm. It refers to a little boy. Ice cream
refers to male prostitution, sauce equals an orgy, and a
map equals semen or is the context of DNA evidence.
(35:23):
So I shared this so other people, if they come
across these particular insignias on any type of a website,
report it. There are reporting agencies that you could send
these people to. Sometimes we as the public have to
be the ones doing the work, even though the rich
guys are the ones making the money off of hosting
these individuals.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
So either way, can you remember you remember Joe Biden
and the ice cream?
Speaker 4 (35:47):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I do remember something about the ice cream, but I'm
not sure. Go ahead, tell.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
Us, Well, everybody was making these memes about him going
to eat ice cream because like they videoed him.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
It was there's like a video.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Of him going to eat going to eat ice cream somewhere,
just like they would video him on the beach walking
around like That's whenever they were video and him randomly.
It was one of those of him eating ice cream,
and then everyone and then the people that do know
what that means made memes of him eating the ice
cream and they were like everywhere, like all over Twitter,
(36:22):
and and what's funny is like here in the South,
we just like to expose people and I don't really care.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
So I was driving down the road one day, it
was not long after this was going on, and there
was a billboard, a big billboard that had Joe Biden
looking wide eyed with his mouth open holding ice cream.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
On it, and I was like, oh my god, dude.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Has has Biden been found to be connected to Epstein?
Because you know, he had the files and he had
the list, and he didn't release him during his entire presidency.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
I haven't heard anything that he was in charge way
back when.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Well, if you read his daughter's diary, then that's how
he's connected. He then prostituted his own daughter out to
people when she was little.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, but what so you don't know about what's her
name's diary?
Speaker 5 (37:29):
No, it's out there on the it's on the web.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Is Joe mom is the doctor Biden?
Speaker 6 (37:39):
I don't know if that's her mom or if it's
that other lady married before, the one that died in
a mysterious car crash.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I bet it's the other lady. I don't think it's Jill.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah, I wonder what she thinks about these allegations you and.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yuck like, Yeah, how do you have you stayed with Joe?
Speaker 6 (38:00):
But that's way I haven't heard about it because they
hide it.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Hey, if they can scrub LGBT and transgender from the NCMEC,
then they can scrub anything else they want to scrub.
You guys, I haven't gone on to the last line.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
I keep everything.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
I as soon as I see it, I get I
got it.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
It's mine and you can't get it back, So you know,
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I spend a lot of time collecting URLs back in
two thousand and nine when I started my research, only
to find out that many of those URLs are broken today.
I should have captured images of what I saw, But
I also didn't like to hop onto a lot of
these sites because I did recognize that they are computer crashers.
You're going to get a virus, and there's a reason
(38:46):
why that stuff is out there and imposed with a virus,
so that if you're doing this type of research, you
will get that virus by entering that URL, and then
your computer will eventually crash with all the hard research
that you've done.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So ye, void those sites.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, and I found a couple of them, and.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
Then we didn't know that we didn't know we didn't
have any white to screenshot back then, we exactly a
picture of the screen.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
So yeah, and we're gonna what, We're gonna see some
broken links here in a minute. So as I continued
my research on John Grosso, I also came up with,
in fact, Jeffrey Epstein. So I got a list of
about six or seven URLs. One of them was Reddit,
and then you had to click on more if you
wanted to see more. So if you came to the bottom,
you would think that that was all you had on
(39:31):
John Grosso. But I clicked more, and the second I
clicked more, the very first thing that came up with
Jeffrey Epstein and Wikipedia, and I thought, what the shrek?
Now this could be a connection because the ncmec IS
is supposed to be out there, you know, taking care
of and who knows, you know, what information they may
have on Jeffrey Epstein or why this became a connection.
(39:53):
It also came up with a couple John's, but I
anticipated that to happen simply because I typed in the
word John. You know, Google is going to pick up
John and throw out some random John's. But John A.
Gotti was one of them. The John Brower minook from Wikipedia,
which that one is all in a completely different language.
I had a John Elite, John Sumraw, and a John A.
(40:15):
Gotty that came up, but I was most interested in
Jeffrey Epstein as it applied to the fact that it
was Johnary.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
First of all, Yeah, familiar.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
He was the head football coach at the two A university,
which I'm not sure where that is. Let's see Orleans, Okay,
so he served as head coach at He served as
head coach at Troy University from twenty twenty two to
twenty twenty three, and will become the head coach at
the University of Florida in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
So, oh, that's why he's familiar, because that's yeah, it's
like new info.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
I don't know why he would have pulled up. That's
kind of weird, but well.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Because it's John. If you look up here, this is
what I put in. John grosseo.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
So it developed you got to use yandex dot com
is another server of searching and and and uh in
de dout go they they if you want to, I
used dup doug go. Yeah, then I used the difference
is Yeah you said yandex. Yeah, it's y A N
(41:19):
D A X dot com dot com.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yes, so this just pools.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Stuff from other countries more than any other one.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
So yeah, and I did get some links from that.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
So I'm thinking that the reason why is that my
keywords are John and Wikipedia. That I got these jawns
in Wikipedia, so moving on to others, so basically that
that made me fall right back into, of course Jeffrey
Epstein because he was the first link. And Jeffrey Epstein
does not match my criteria whatsoever. So why this takes
(41:53):
me back to when I looked up Zodiac or any
other in the FBI FOI files and came up with
Beabe Riboso connected to was that Saudi Arabia and individuals
who were into human trafficking and things that they were
being looked at. I was very interested in Roboso because
what did he have to do with the Zodiac case
(42:14):
and why did this crisscross itself. There had to be
some amount of information that crossed over that caused this
to pull when I researched the zodiac. So I just
want to share some things I did not know about.
Jeffrey Edward Epstein was born on January twentieth, nineteen fifty three,
in Brooklyn, a borough of New York City. His parents,
(42:34):
Pauline Paula Stilowsky and Seymour George Epstein, were Jewish and
had married in nineteen fifty two, shortly I know, shortly
before his birth. Pauline worked as a school aid and
as a homemaker. Seymour worked for the New York City
Department of Parks and Recreation as a groundskeeper and gardner.
In the mid nineteen eighties, Epstein traveled multiple times between
(42:57):
the United States, Europe, and the Middle East. While in London,
and Epstein met Stephen Hoffberg Hoffenberg they had been introduced
through Douglas Lease, a defense contractor, and John Mitchell, the
former US Attorney General. An anonymous source met with Epstein
and Lese as early as nineteen eighty one. Epstein also
stated to some people that at that time he was
an intelligent agent. Epstein associated Hoffenburg right all before polyclass.
(43:26):
John Walsh Adam Walsh, should I say Epstein also stated
to some people, oh Epstein? Associate associate Hoffenberg in twenty
twenty alleged that Epstein was recruited in nineteen eighties by
Lease to work for British intelligence, and that Hoffenberg introduced
Epstein to Robert Maxwell during the ninth.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
John Mitchell he was attorney general. He was an attorney
general under Nixon, and he was the one in charge.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Of oh my god, the committee.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
To re elected President and they called it creep So
that's are if that's a weird word.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Association. Then you got him introducing Epstein to people and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
To Agreeland Roland.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Do you just know that you did? You know that
John Walsh hated Nixon?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
I did not know that most people did.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
We go, now we know why.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
A lot of people hated Nixon.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
Well, he made this, He made this claim in in
the case file and speaking to UH investigators. Though, so
why would you say that, like who cares you hate him?
Why are you telling people this in the interview? Why
are you saying this to people in the interview, like
about your child?
Speaker 5 (44:36):
Like what?
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah? One part I think Mitchell went to jail during
the Watergate scandal.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Prison, I think, but do you want to club a
fan and got out quickly of course, probably on release.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
And that's where we had that news article Watergates. Uh
about you remember we read that? You read that?
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, ways back yeah, no, I mean,
honestly speaking, we know that the group in entirety was
all up and involved in that. So let me get
back here. An anonymous source met with Epstein and Lisa
as early as nineteen eighty one. Epstein also stated, to
some people, think okay, but during the nineteen eighties, Epstein
possessed an Austrian passport that had his photo but with
(45:20):
a false name. So this is what I suspect Jack
was into and why he had so many different names.
The passport showed his place of residence in Saudi Arabia.
Very interesting. In twenty seventeen, a former senior White House
official reported that Alexander Acosta, the US Attorney for the
Southern District of Florida who had handled Epstein's criminal case
(45:40):
at the end of the George W. Bush administration, had
stated to interviewers of President Donald Trump's first transition team,
I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave
it alone, and that Epstein was above his pay grade.
That's an interesting statement during the edit.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
It just another reason to suspect that it was not
suicide that killed him.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
They're going to warn him dead.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yep he knows too much. During this period, one of
Epstein's client was a Saudi Arabian businessman, Adnan Kashagi, and
Kashagi came up before all the time who was the
middleman transferring American weapons from Israel to Iran as part
of the Iran Contra affair in the nineteen eighties. Cashagi
had been introduced to him by Lease, and Kashagi was
(46:31):
one of several defense contractors that he knew who with Richard.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Se Cord and Aline North and all those guys.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Well the booze ball and buys his boat from him
right right.
Speaker 6 (46:46):
It's like did you It makes you wonder, like did
you know what was going on? And tried to buy
that boat so we could get evidence on him.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Well or later on it was it was Robert Xwell's boat. No,
I thought, I thought that was somebody's wife one of
the people affiliated with Epstein whose wife ex wife had
(47:16):
purchased the Lady gislaying Robert Maxwell's boat. Yeah that's a
different boat, right, So, yeah, that's a different boat. But
it's all within and and And the thing is is
that a lot of people would claim that Epstein might
possibly because he had cameras all over his joints, that
they that he was attempting to get blackmail information on people,
(47:39):
kind of like you know, the cabal were to keep
the most sensitive information so that we can control you
in whatever manner we need to, but at one point,
if you become a liability, then you have to be
taken care of. And maybe everybody was buying up all
these different things of his thinking that somewhere this information
would have been stored or kept and if they did
(47:59):
find that it's gone, we're never going to see it,
or they're going to hold it for their own control
over these high powered people.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
The CIA, the mafia, and the FBI did the same thing, right.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
So Tower's Financial Corporation was actually one of Epstein's businesses.
Stephen Hoffenberg hired Epstein in nineteen eighty seven as a
consultant for Tower's Financial Corporation, unaffiliated with the company of
the same name founded in nineteen ninety eight and acquired
by Old National Bank Corps, a collection agency that bought
debts people owed to hospitals, banks, and phone companies. Hoffenberg
(48:34):
set Epstein up in offices let's see, I just lost
my yeah in offices in Villard Houses in Manhattan, and
paid him up to twenty five thousand per month for
his consulting work. Hoffenberg and Epstein then refashioned themselves as
corporate raiders, using Tower Financial as their rating vessel. One
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of Epstein's first assignments for Hoffenberg was to imple implement
what turned out to be an unsuccessful bid to take
over Pan American World Airways in nineteen eighty seven. A
similar unsuccessful bid in nineteen eighty eight was made to
take over every air freight corp. During this period, Hoffenberg
and Epstein were closely together and traveled everywhere in Haffenberg's
private jet. Now, those in the mafia, those in the mob,
(49:19):
those in the syndicates, they need a way to transport
their goods, whether it be humans or drugs or guns.
So here they are trying to take new hostel takeovers
of airlines, which I'm assuming that at some point they
either did or just continued to use private jets or yeah,
and it's going to get even more discussion by the
(49:39):
time we get into the Lolita Express, because we're going
to find out next week, you guys, that Epstein was
part of the two thousand and eight crash that cost
millions of Americans their four on one k's, their stocks,
their retirements there and millions of Americans their homes in
that little debacle that they used to blow up the
market and then tear it down, and I think was
(50:02):
all to reap the rewards of not only the debt consolidation.
We see that he has this debt consolidation business here,
but one of my theories was that they would foreclothes
on these individuals' houses, they'd sell the debt to another company,
they'd get the insurance, and then they'd throw it on
the steps of the courthouse in order for it to
be sold at auction for a very low cost. They
(50:24):
were winning three times over. But we are at the end.
I've actually ran over at this point. You guys will
climb into that next week. I want to thank you
both for being here. Everybody, have a wonderful weekend, and
we'll see you next Friday.
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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac
to Welcome to the show today, Nolan del Campo.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Good morning everybody. Sorry about my lighting.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
No, that's okay, you're incognito. You just need some dark
glasses like Terry b used to wear. And I'd like
to also welcome Lindsay Mack. I'm all Mac macbrayer prayer.
Good morning, beautiful. All right, So this last week got
a little bit in saying, you guys, I hate it
(01:28):
when I get taken down a rabbit hole, but I
think I got sucked in for about six hours last
Sunday on some of this stuff. I was trying to
do some research on John Mark Karr, and my fingers
just led me to where my fingers led me to
and I hope I can make those connections as to
how my brain operated in the way I ended up
finding the things that I found. But we are going
to definitely go from john Mark Carter segueing back to
(01:50):
today and current things, because some stuff was just absolutely
awe shocking. Last week, we were finishing off on a
article that was in regards to John Mark Carr. It
was written in two thousand and six, of course, after
he was turned it after he turned himself in. So
this was Saturday, August nineteenth of two thousand and six.
(02:11):
This article was written. I don't see the name of
the person, but it was the Spokesman Review from Washington.
I'm not sure why they climbed in other than the
fact that John Benney Ramsay was pretty much an international case.
Everybody knew about this little girl. This particular article read though,
and we started it. I started this portion, but I
(02:33):
just want to refresh. We'll start from the beginning of
the article and make her way through. It says case
and now everybody case is the interesting. She has a
case which is john Mark Carr, but she is the
attorney for john Mark Carr. And it says Cay said
that she did not know the depth of the investigator's
suspicion in two thousand and one that her client could
(02:53):
have had a role in John Benney's death, but she
said it seemed somebody dropped the ball. She said that
she was not contacted by law enforcement officials from Boulder,
and that no one sought to test her client's DNA
to determine whether it matched evidence from the Colorado crime.
It never went anywhere, she said, So this was supposedly
a inside information that she had been given by somebody
(03:16):
that John Mark Carr was purportedly a suspect of interest
in de John Benny Ramsey murder as early as two
thousand and one, which I know he moved from Alabama
to Pedaloma, California, I want to say in two thousand
and one, because this is where he gets busted ultimately
before leaving the country. And I don't know in hindsight
(03:38):
when she's discussing this in two thousand and six, that
she's revealing these type of sentiments in two thousand and
six because he is, you know, worldwide news at this point,
and she had previously been his attorney. But she goes
on to say, and her name is Marie Case, who
represented Carr on two thousand and one misdemeanor charges, said
(03:58):
Friday that members of the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department mentioned
to her at the time that there was possibly some
involvement in the Ramsey slain twelve hundred miles away in Boulder, Colorado,
just saying, hey, we're looking at this guy, so what
what is it that you know? She was told at
that time, And like she said, they they were interested
in him, but never ran his DNA. And needless to say,
(04:20):
when we when we do see him get busted and
his DNA's ran, he is not a match. But he
has some inside information that makes it plausible for our
country to believe he is the suspect. And we fly
all the way to Europe and we you know, gather
him up and we've extra di ited him back here
to California. And that's pretty much where this article is
going to go.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah a good question.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, oldest Sonoma Kuty Sheriff Department have been looking at
the John Brancakes exact. Well, why would they share their
information with Bowler.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Right right there? Well, that's that whole pissing contest. Everybody
wants to be the person, right, Yeah, you bagged the
man who blocked the suspect who you know, in either way,
if they thought they had him incarcerated at this point
time in two thousand, when she's if they searched his
house or what, I'm assuming that their thought process for
(05:19):
having him as a suspect was before he moved to California,
I mean obviously, right, So how she gets this with
you know, this whisper from you know, law enforcement is
is beyond me. But again, I don't know if she's
just looking for fifteen minutes of fame to say I
represented him back then, and he was a suspect back then,
(05:40):
and she's just highling on you know, the plus plus factor.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
It's odd for law enforcement to reach out to defense
attorneys with any information.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, and I think says she said that, Well, so
members of the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department mentioned to her
at that time. So so for whatever reason, law enforcement
and what you're right, why would they be sharing anything
like this. He is incarcerated it at this point for
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child pornography. I would assume that his DNA would have
had to have gone into the system, right, two thousand
and one. We're doing that, are we?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Okay? But I thought at the time, but I know now,
could he porners up feeling?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah? Yeah, it's not a misdemeanor, I think. But this
is written after the fact. And of course they subdue
the things they want to subdue, right, they blow up
the things they want to blow up. Like that, the
media is ultimately in control in the thought processes and
the narratives that we're going to perceive. I guess. The
article goes on to say on Wednesday, Sonoma court records
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show at California Superior Court judge granted prosecutor's requests to
steal the police reports that had led to cars arrest
on the child pornography charges. That blows by minde.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
I'll tell you why.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well, he was a patsy. Well, I know, and that's
kind of what I'm leading to in the whole he
was and I'm not going to say he's a patsy.
A patsy as somebody who blamed the crime on unbeknownst
to them, right, in.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
This sense, it was a different type of patsy.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I think in this sense that he was the
distractor and he was given full reign and opportunity. But
the connections that we're going to make here today, just
again they blow my mind, it says. The porn charges
were lodged against Car less than a year after he
moved with his family from rural Hamilton, Alabama, to Petaluma,
a small town in California Wine Country, in the summer
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of two thousand. Several acquaintances from Alabama interviewed Friday said
they never understood why the family left. Starting in early
two thousand and one, Car worked sporadically as a substitute teacher.
That April, Sonoma County detectives informed him that he was
under suspicion for child pornography based on a confidential tip.
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Investigators served two homes in Pedaluma and seized two computer
hard drives, a laptop, computer, and other equipment that belonged
to Carr. During an hour long videotaped interview with Detective
Martin Frey, Carr denied that he had engaged in child pornography,
according to court records. The records indicate that he told
Frey he was researching a book about Richard Allen Davis,
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the man convicted of another notorious child slain in the
nineteen ninety three. Yeah, the nineteen ninety three murdered of
twelve year old Poly Class, who had lived in Pedaluma.
Carr said he kept Class's death certificate in a binder
at home. The record show Carr was charged with five
counts of child pornography. In an interview Friday, Mark Klass,
Polly's father, said he had never heard of Car until
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his arrest this week, but speculated that Carr came to
Pedaluma to be close to the side of his daughter's death.
The guy had an obsession with my daughter. Class said.
He lived in Alabama with his family, and all of
a sudden he moved to a sleepy little farm community
in northern California and ends up living eight tenths of
a mile from where she was. This guy seems to
be a little dead girl group pedophile groupie. Now. The
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only thing that really boggles me about this is that
Class was killed in nineteen eighty three, one year before
Walsh's son. Why, if you're a groupie, you move when
all the happenings are happening, you know, only not nearly
a decade later. So whether he had an a you know,
infinity for you know, looking up class or or keeping
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information in regards to her, almost as if he's cataloging
some of these deeds. I guess, if you will, that's
the way.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
He's part of.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
He's some type of way linked to their little crew
of like like it's like a serial killer group. That yeah,
a different aspect. He was a different player of that group.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That's what That's what I think. I think this evidence
shows that there's definitely some inclusion with John Mark Car.
So on Thursday, after learning that car may have corresponded
with Davis Class's killer, guards at San Quentin State Prison
searched Davis's death row cell but found no evidence, according
to Lieutenant Eric Messick, a prison spokesman. On Friday, Case
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Carr's former defense attorney confirmed in an interview that she
had been aware her client had an interest in both
the Class and Ramsey cases. After Car's arrest in two
thousand and one, the bond was set at one hundred
thousand and he was jailed for five months. Carr was
released under a program of supervision. He skipped a court
appearance before the trial and left town. He just vanished, disappeared.
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Case said, now, is that normal Nolan in these types
of cases where they would imprison you for five months
and then just before your trial let you go.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Depends on his record, I would think, and if he's
deemed to be a potential threat to the community or
to be bailed out, so there's got to be a
bailam in those things. And then my thing is, did
he get convicted of a mistermeror or a feeling? Because
I think back then it was told maybe they reduced it,
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maybe they pled out and reduced it to a mistermeanor no.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
No, he never even appeared at trial. He left the country.
So we've got a William Coleman on our hands here, right.
You've been busted or you're being looked at for a crime,
and you just leave the country, which this boggles me.
So if his bond was set at one hundred thousand,
then that means he would have had to come up
with ten thousand dollars right to get out of jail.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Unless he's represented by a private council, it would be
eight thousand.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Okay. Even then the man is acting sporadically as a
substitute teacher. Where do you come up? Where do you
come up with eight thousand dollars? You know this is
like Jack and his lack of jobs and being able
to move and buy places in different states, constantly on
the go, going here and going there. It's an oddity.
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I know that right now, somebody asked me to come
up with eight grand and bail myself out. I have
to sell something.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
In the bail analysis, especially at that time. It's changed
a bit because of recent cal For's Supreme Court cases,
but it's still essential to same. It's two things, threat
to the community and flight risk.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Well, if the.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Guys from Alabama, that makes him a flight risk to
begin right there. And if it's the wherewithal of the
post eight grand bail, that means he's got the wear
with all to get plane tickets.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well, and that's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
So just to took flight risk and he's the potential
threat to the community, he's a pedophile.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You're saying all that the oh, I'm getting goosebumps. You're
saying all the things that I think when I think
about this man going to jail for five months and
then being released forty five days, so he had to
come up. Why didn't he come up with this bail
money in the first five months? Why was it that
it occurred at the time that it did. I have
so many questions.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
That's odd.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Well, it says on Thursday, after learning that car may
have corresponded with oh we already did that, okay, and
to the next one. Oh huh, all right, So this connection.
So I told you guys, I'm going to keep you
in the loop of my brain. So this guy has
a connection or an interest in the class case. Now
we know that Polyclass created some legislation, right, yeah, And
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then we know that John Benet Ramsey case also or
I'm sorry, John Walsh case a year later, not only
created some legislation but also then created the National Center
for Missing and Exploited Children. So something seems to fall
in line. And we've also got John Walsh beginning the
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America's Most wanted with the FBI, which is what I
find so interesting about the National Center for Missing and
Exploited Children, because once I started to look into that.
So Polyclass is murdered on October first, nineteen eighty three.
It garnered national media attention, made media outlets big money
on the stories, which garnered national media attention and created legislation.
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Adam Walsh in nineteen eighty four made media outlets big
money on stories that garnered world world media attention and
created legislation, and the National Center of Missing and Exploited Children,
and John Walsh becomes the host of America's Most Wanted.
So when I looked up the National Center for Missing
and Exploited Children, I came across this from Wikipedia, says
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the abbreviated NCMEC is a private, nonprofit organization established in
nineteen eighty four by the United States Congress. So that's
the legislation I'm talking about that they create. Government created
this on behalf of John Walsh. So in September twenty thirteen,
the United States House Representatives, United States Senate, and the
President of the United States reauthorized the allocation of already
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million in funding for the organization as part of Missing
Children's Assistance Reauthorization Act of twenty thirteen. The current chair
of the organization is John Grosso of Coles So Cole's
Department Stores, Think Very Big.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
And see and it used to be jac Penny.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Wow. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Really.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yeah, I don't know where the Coles came from. I've
never heard that.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
That's that's what we have here. And I want to
say that we still had j C. Pennies at the
time Coles possibly was around. I can't really recollect for
a long time. It wasn't the mall for a very
long time, right, So typically j C. Pennies you'd find
in the mall. Coals you usually find in a strip mall,
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not like a standard mall like the Galleria exactly.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
So it says real quick before we get off.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That I'm not getting off of this. We're going to
be here a minute, go ahead. Well I was.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
I was just gonna say, I know for a fact
that's Jase Penny because they still have the signs on
jcpenny doors. I went to a j Spenny last year
and saw it and I was mind blown about fell
on the floor when I seen that it had the
little code atom uh symbol on the freaking front.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Door of j C.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Penny.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I literally and I videoed it. I was like, holy
s Hi, what.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Are you talking about? The code?
Speaker 6 (16:30):
So Code ADAM is a thing that they put into
into department stores to uh. It's it's like a protocol
that aught that they put in. Certain department stores have
to adopt it, adopt to it and uh where they
have like this, certain protocol what the employees are supposed
to do in case of a kidnapping.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Oh yeah, it's really strange.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Actually have been closing or whatnot like the series in
other places like that. Even the Macy's are closing now.
But did Coles acquire part of J C. Penny or
overtaking that might be.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
That might be what has happened, and that may be
whyt Wikipedia has updated to that.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I guess, you know how sometimes they close here, but
they're still open in other states. So things like Albertson's
and I mean these different stores that we used to
once have here in California. It's almost as if they
start up here in California, move themselves across the East
and then slowly but surely are you know, replaced by
other entities here in California. But they still remain open.
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Like Lindsay said, she saw what j C. Pennies last year.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Yeah, and ours is still open our.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Okay, So see jay C. Penny's is not gone. It's
just been rebranded, renamed, re whatever, and probably to get
them out of those contracts in those malls that are
going down and under when the mall starts to fail
and nobody's going there anymore, and they want to produce
a larger, greater, better mall. You know, they start shutting
down all those little stores and they reopen under different names,
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I believe. Yeah, so this says the current Yeah. The
current chair of the organization is John Grosso. Cohle's NCMEC
handles cases of missing miners from infancy to young adults
through age twenty. Primarily funded by the United States Department
of Justice, the NCMEC acts as an information clearing house
and resource for parents, children, law enforcement agencies, schools, and
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communities to assist in locating missing children and to raise
public awareness about ways to prevent child abduction and child
sexual abuse. John Walsh, Noreene Gohosh, mother of Johnny Gosh,
who went missing in nineteen eighty two, and others advocated
establishing the center as a result of frustration stemming from
a lack of resources and a national coordination between law
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enforcement and other government agencies. Whoo Okay, My issue here
is that the information that Lindsey Mack has shared with
us indicated that John Walsh did not want help from
FBI and other agencies.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Correct, Correct, And that's documented.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
So why are we getting a forty million dollars a
year contract to create a center to bring the law
enforcement together when he did everything to avoid the assistance
a law enforcement agencies is question number one now as
I get further into it. On April six, twenty eighteen,
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it was announced in Forbes magazine that the Department of
Justice had seized and shut down the website of frequent
nemesis of NCMEC called backpage dot com, on the grounds
that it had frequently facilitated human trafficking. Now, mind to
with this is that they're very well aware now Internet
servers are not being held responsible. So there are actual
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laws in the Internet RURLD where the person who's posting
these individuals that are creating these types of websites cannot
be held responsible for how their patrons use their sites.
I think that's complete. BS. Yeah, you are making a
type of money that you're making off of servicing individuals.
You should also have who Facebook monitors us, Lincoln monitors us,
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You too monitors us? Why are these other people monitored
or monitoring the individuals that are using their their servers
to create or to commit crimes. Also, this kind of
reminded me of is NCMEC getting rid of their their
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competition exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I don't know me, you.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Guys well, and it makes sense because they have access
to as you just read, they have access to even
the pictures that the yearbook comes to the school and.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Takes the pictures of these children.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
They have access all have access to those pictures, all
of them, anytime they want.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And I think this might have been what Harriet was
alluding to when she stumbled onto the National Center. I
got the sense that she was trying to explain to
me there was something nefarius about this agency and wait
till you get to the part that really blew my
shorts off. But that might have been what she was
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trying to allude to in some of her solves, it says.
NCMEC released a statement, The National Center for Missing and
Exploited Children just learned that backpage dot Com was seized
by the FBI, I r S and the US Postal
Inspection Service with analytical assistance from the Joint Regional Intelligence Center.
This is another step in the year's long fight against
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the exploitation of victims who were brought and sold for
sex on backpage dot Com. Hashtag NCMEC is waiting alongside
the rest of the world to see what will come next.
We stand by the victims and their families as they
process this news and continue to fight for justice against
those who profited from their abuse hashtag and sex trafficking.
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In September of twenty thirteen, the United States House of Representatives,
the United States Senate, and the President of the United
States voted to reauthorize the forty million in funding for
the organization as part of Missing Children's Assistants Reauthorization Act
of twenty thirteen. In nineteen eighty four, the US Congress
passed the Missing Children's Assistants Act, which established a National
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Resource Center and clearinghouse on Missing and Exploited Children. On
June thirteenth, nineteen eighty four, the center, formed by Adam
Walsh's parents, Revey and John Walsh, alongside other children's advocates,
was officially opened by President Ronald Reriggan in a White
House ceremony. The national twenty four hours toll free Missing
Children's hot Line one eight hundred the Lost was also established.
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Did I wait a minute? Where did I?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
And?
Speaker 6 (23:09):
When George Bush came into the effect, he passed the
Law for the Sex of the National Sex Offender Registry.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Say that again, then that's so.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
So at first the National Sex Offender Registry actually was
only in.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
A couple of states, and he made a.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Made a deal where it would where every state had
to adapt to it, so that way it could be
in every state where they could track any sex of
any sex offender that has created any type of prime.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Uh to a minor and there.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
And that's so that's another system, another database that they
created so they could just pick these people out any
time they want to pin something on them.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Now, so so when did you when did Bush do that?
Speaker 5 (24:04):
You know, it was one of the last years. It
was one of the very last years that he was
in office.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
That was Bush, not w Right.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Yeah, Bush Bush Junior.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, so when was Bush Junior president.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Before Obama? So right, so yeah, in the oh, I'm
looking up on my computer.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Now, yeah, yeah, two thousand and one would have been president.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
George Senior was president from eighty eight to ninety two,
I believe.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Okay, so this is well after the fact that this
would have been Junior's act.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Then, Oh, yeah, it was. It was definitely him.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Yeah, Reagan did the other one. So I'm thinking he
was the next president after Reagan, but who knows.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
But it's Bush Junior that we see hanging out with Epstein, right.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Oh, two thousand Actually, guess what it was actually done
on Adam Walsh's birthday, July twenty seventh of two thousand
and six.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Okay, yeah, that's because he ran twice.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
He ran two years, right, I'm sorry, two terms. Yeah,
oh yeah, okay, and so but again back to its
Bush Junior we see with Epstein, right, not Granddaddy Bush. Okay,
so we're making those connections here. Now here's the controversy,
and this is what threw me for a loop, it says.
In August of twenty twenty four, former NCMEC board member
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Don McGowan criticized the organization's board in a Tech Dirt
podcast appearance, stating, I mean NCMEC has data in its
stat banks that say some of the kids most at
risk in the world are trends kids, and they ignore
that data. Goes on to say in February of twenty
twenty five, so here just recently, this is why it's
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part of what I'm doing, because this stuff is still
ongoing in February twenty five, under the threat of losing
funding from the federal government under the Trump administration that
NCMEC scrubbed all resources relating to or mentioning lgbt US
as well as removing resources for male victims of child trafficking.
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What the f.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
So I have seen that so.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Basically or afraid if they kept it that type of
their operational live that Trump would cut their fundy funding.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
And did you see the picture of like last year,
i mean last month of him of John Walsh standing.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Next to Trump at his freaking desk in the White House.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
No, yeah, And I was wondering.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
What that was about.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
And it seems like he's undercover, outing him and but
making it look like everything's okay.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Well, I'm just more or less plored. What do they
think that male victims don't have the same right as
female victims. And if our tax paying dollars are going
to this type of an organization that was to protect children,
it should protect both girls and boys. Yes, correct, whether
they're transgendered or not. But they're absolutely right. Transgendered are
the ones most at risk because they're usually displaced from
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home early, they are on the streets, they are unable
to you know, be safe in their own skin, and
who they are around their families, so they end up
running homeless most of the time. And then these are
the kids that they're picking up.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
It's it's crazy how they claim that they labeled in
those trans but the most, but the most, the ones
that they are interesting in the most are the little
boys I know.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
And so why does this get scrubbed from the National
Center of Missing Children? And it says LGBT as well,
not just transgendered kids. But these are the ones that
are looking for acceptance and they're probably easy to groom,
probably easy to pay money to to get them on
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board with whatever the tactics that there are. I I'm
just blown away that they were able to scrub that word,
scrub all the resources.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
So then if you notice the ones that are are
trans or whatever, are they're confused or they're in that
state where they don't know which way to go, those
are the ones, like you just said, they pick out.
And another reason I think they pick them out and
that this was probably scrubbed is because they also use
those individuals to blame other things such as like gun violence.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
They blame it on them all the time.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And those individuals are certainly taking some type of you know, antidepressants,
and yeah, oh, I thought I would look up who's
in charge of this joint and it was this John Grosso.
So I ran a check on him to kind of
see what's going on. And of course when I ran
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a check on him, I ended up with some extremely
interesting links being Pittsburgh Crime Family. I don't know why. Again,
I did not have time to read through most of these,
but when I type in John Grosso, why is the
Pittsburgh Crime Family coming up? And then I saw something
from Reddit that said bye bye bye, mister Grosso. So
I went into that link because clearly that contained his name,
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but it said yep, my asm just confirmed it. He
even questioned, what the hell is going on? Are they
jumping ship or what? I know? The investors have been
very unhappy with the way things are going. But yeah,
Michelle Gas and John Grosso are out. So when I
went into the reddit, yeah, when I went into the reddit.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
When I just looked him up, this is what it read.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
July eight, twenty twenty five, NCR Digital editor John Grosso
shares his favorite meatless meal for lent because it's like
in the it's like from the National This is from
the National Catholic Reporter. Whatever he said for lant one
of the four horsemen of Roman Pasta, greedy and ingredients
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is blah blah blah blah blah. You know what pas
pasa is.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. We're gonna get
to that in about two seconds. I love you're always
one step ahead of me. But it's because we're researching
the same stuff without even you know, checking in with
each other on.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
What we're doing it.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yes, So on the Reddit article it said bye bye bye,
mister Grosso. Now that Grosso has left the company, who
will be next, how many additional upper level cuts will
be made, what other changes what we see as the
fiscal new year begins. I went down a little bit,
of course. It was back and forth, just talking about,
you know, the astonishment of Grosso being out because of it.
He has been running Cole's department store for who knows
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how long. But I came across this one from Luna
Soulshine that says I think it had more to do
with the fact that he got called out for selling
these men's pajamas when he is a chair on the
board of the directors for the NCMEC and it says,
if you know you know? So I looked at this
particular we can see these shorts right here, guys, and
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I could see this emblem, this TRIANGLEA I'm getting goosebumps too,
me too, I automatically said, I feel like I just
recently saw this label, and what is this about? So
if you know, you know, I got to find out, right,
inquiring minds need to know. So I went into a
post that I made approximately two weeks ago from one
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of my former clients and friends. Now we are friends
on Facebook, and she will post every now and again
things in regards to, you know, the stuff anybody would
want to hate. Let's share this with everybody. So she
sends me this thing that is called codes pedophiles used
to communicate. And the first symbol is the symbol found
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on these men's shorts, and it's called the boy whoa art. Yeah,
so this symbol is for pedophiles. They use it for
the boy lover. This logo, featuring a blue spiral shaped
triangle surrounded by a larger triangle, is used by pedophiles
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who like young boys. The small triangle represents a small boy,
while the bigger one represents an adult man, according to
the FBI document. Now, the next symbol is kind of similar,
but it's rounded instead of angular like the triangle, but
it has the same inner circle movements, and it's called
the little boy lover. This is a variation of the
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boy lover logo used by pedophiles who like very young boys.
It also features a spiral shaped triangle, but it's are
not straight. This is deliberate and is meant to resemble
the scribbling of a young child. FBI agents say. Then
they use the heart, which this is disgusting because I
feel like the heart is just like ugh, it's one
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of the things you want for caring, not for abusing,
And it's basically the same type of movement in the
heart that you see in the triangle, only the inner
heart obviously is going to be expressed as a little girl,
So it's called the girl lover logo. This logo, featuring
a small heart surrounded by a larger heart, signifies that
a pedophile is sexually attracted to young girls. The two
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hearts symbolizes a relationship between an adult male or female
and a minor girl, according to the US agency. Then
it gets down into what looks like a butterfly and
all the wings are made out of hearts. This logo
is used by pedophiles who do not have a gender preference.
These people are sexually attracted to young boys and girls.
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Then there's a the child Love online media activism logo
CLOMAL and I guess that's the acronym clo ms and
mary al. This symbol is used on social media by pedophiles.
It tells other predators that they are interested in children.
The FBI bulletin describes how pedophiles are using logos like
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this one to promote their cause. Now it goes into
a little bit more here it says xxx is the
terminology used to refer to sites with child pornography pack
a set of child pornography photos, usually in downloadable format.
DW is short for Deep Web or Dark Web IRC
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Text Messaging System CP slash ts slash ls are the
acronyms that identify that the message refers to child pornography.
Then they go on to show what they the equivalent
of these children and things mean. So, if it's a walnut,
that's referring to children of color. If it's a hot
dog that equals a boy, If it's a pizza, that
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equals a girl. If it's cheese, that's a little girl.
If it's chicken or pasta, there you go, there's your
pasta's hmm. It refers to a little boy. Ice cream
refers to male prostitution, sauce equals an orgy, and a
map equals semen or is the context of DNA evidence.
(35:23):
So I shared this so other people, if they come
across these particular insignias on any type of a website,
report it. There are reporting agencies that you could send
these people to. Sometimes we as the public have to
be the ones doing the work, even though the rich
guys are the ones making the money off of hosting
these individuals.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
So either way, can you remember you remember Joe Biden
and the ice cream?
Speaker 4 (35:47):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I do remember something about the ice cream, but I'm
not sure. Go ahead, tell.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
Us, Well, everybody was making these memes about him going
to eat ice cream because like they videoed him.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
It was there's like a video.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Of him going to eat going to eat ice cream somewhere,
just like they would video him on the beach walking
around like That's whenever they were video and him randomly.
It was one of those of him eating ice cream,
and then everyone and then the people that do know
what that means made memes of him eating the ice
cream and they were like everywhere, like all over Twitter,
(36:22):
and and what's funny is like here in the South,
we just like to expose people and I don't really care.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
So I was driving down the road one day, it
was not long after this was going on, and there
was a billboard, a big billboard that had Joe Biden
looking wide eyed with his mouth open holding ice cream.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
On it, and I was like, oh my god, dude.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Has has Biden been found to be connected to Epstein?
Because you know, he had the files and he had
the list, and he didn't release him during his entire presidency.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
I haven't heard anything that he was in charge way
back when.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Well, if you read his daughter's diary, then that's how
he's connected. He then prostituted his own daughter out to
people when she was little.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, but what so you don't know about what's her
name's diary?
Speaker 5 (37:29):
No, it's out there on the it's on the web.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Is Joe mom is the doctor Biden?
Speaker 6 (37:39):
I don't know if that's her mom or if it's
that other lady married before, the one that died in
a mysterious car crash.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I bet it's the other lady. I don't think it's Jill.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah, I wonder what she thinks about these allegations you and.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yuck like, Yeah, how do you have you stayed with Joe?
Speaker 6 (38:00):
But that's way I haven't heard about it because they
hide it.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Hey, if they can scrub LGBT and transgender from the NCMEC,
then they can scrub anything else they want to scrub.
You guys, I haven't gone on to the last line.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
I keep everything.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
I as soon as I see it, I get I
got it.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
It's mine and you can't get it back, So you know,
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I spend a lot of time collecting URLs back in
two thousand and nine when I started my research, only
to find out that many of those URLs are broken today.
I should have captured images of what I saw, But
I also didn't like to hop onto a lot of
these sites because I did recognize that they are computer crashers.
You're going to get a virus, and there's a reason
(38:46):
why that stuff is out there and imposed with a virus,
so that if you're doing this type of research, you
will get that virus by entering that URL, and then
your computer will eventually crash with all the hard research
that you've done.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So ye, void those sites.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, and I found a couple of them, and.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
Then we didn't know that we didn't know we didn't
have any white to screenshot back then, we exactly a
picture of the screen.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
So yeah, and we're gonna what, We're gonna see some
broken links here in a minute. So as I continued
my research on John Grosso, I also came up with,
in fact, Jeffrey Epstein. So I got a list of
about six or seven URLs. One of them was Reddit,
and then you had to click on more if you
wanted to see more. So if you came to the bottom,
you would think that that was all you had on
(39:31):
John Grosso. But I clicked more, and the second I
clicked more, the very first thing that came up with
Jeffrey Epstein and Wikipedia, and I thought, what the shrek?
Now this could be a connection because the ncmec IS
is supposed to be out there, you know, taking care
of and who knows, you know, what information they may
have on Jeffrey Epstein or why this became a connection.
(39:53):
It also came up with a couple John's, but I
anticipated that to happen simply because I typed in the
word John. You know, Google is going to pick up
John and throw out some random John's. But John A.
Gotti was one of them. The John Brower minook from Wikipedia,
which that one is all in a completely different language.
I had a John Elite, John Sumraw, and a John A.
(40:15):
Gotty that came up, but I was most interested in
Jeffrey Epstein as it applied to the fact that it
was Johnary.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
First of all, Yeah, familiar.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
He was the head football coach at the two A university,
which I'm not sure where that is. Let's see Orleans, Okay,
so he served as head coach at He served as
head coach at Troy University from twenty twenty two to
twenty twenty three, and will become the head coach at
the University of Florida in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
So, oh, that's why he's familiar, because that's yeah, it's
like new info.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
I don't know why he would have pulled up. That's
kind of weird, but well.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Because it's John. If you look up here, this is
what I put in. John grosseo.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
So it developed you got to use yandex dot com
is another server of searching and and and uh in
de dout go they they if you want to, I
used dup doug go. Yeah, then I used the difference
is Yeah you said yandex. Yeah, it's y A N
(41:19):
D A X dot com dot com.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yes, so this just pools.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Stuff from other countries more than any other one.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
So yeah, and I did get some links from that.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
So I'm thinking that the reason why is that my
keywords are John and Wikipedia. That I got these jawns
in Wikipedia, so moving on to others, so basically that
that made me fall right back into, of course Jeffrey
Epstein because he was the first link. And Jeffrey Epstein
does not match my criteria whatsoever. So why this takes
(41:53):
me back to when I looked up Zodiac or any
other in the FBI FOI files and came up with
Beabe Riboso connected to was that Saudi Arabia and individuals
who were into human trafficking and things that they were
being looked at. I was very interested in Roboso because
what did he have to do with the Zodiac case
(42:14):
and why did this crisscross itself. There had to be
some amount of information that crossed over that caused this
to pull when I researched the zodiac. So I just
want to share some things I did not know about.
Jeffrey Edward Epstein was born on January twentieth, nineteen fifty three,
in Brooklyn, a borough of New York City. His parents,
(42:34):
Pauline Paula Stilowsky and Seymour George Epstein, were Jewish and
had married in nineteen fifty two, shortly I know, shortly
before his birth. Pauline worked as a school aid and
as a homemaker. Seymour worked for the New York City
Department of Parks and Recreation as a groundskeeper and gardner.
In the mid nineteen eighties, Epstein traveled multiple times between
(42:57):
the United States, Europe, and the Middle East. While in London,
and Epstein met Stephen Hoffberg Hoffenberg they had been introduced
through Douglas Lease, a defense contractor, and John Mitchell, the
former US Attorney General. An anonymous source met with Epstein
and Lese as early as nineteen eighty one. Epstein also
stated to some people that at that time he was
an intelligent agent. Epstein associated Hoffenburg right all before polyclass.
(43:26):
John Walsh Adam Walsh, should I say Epstein also stated
to some people, oh Epstein? Associate associate Hoffenberg in twenty
twenty alleged that Epstein was recruited in nineteen eighties by
Lease to work for British intelligence, and that Hoffenberg introduced
Epstein to Robert Maxwell during the ninth.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
John Mitchell he was attorney general. He was an attorney
general under Nixon, and he was the one in charge.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Of oh my god, the committee.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
To re elected President and they called it creep So
that's are if that's a weird word.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Association. Then you got him introducing Epstein to people and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
To Agreeland Roland.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Do you just know that you did? You know that
John Walsh hated Nixon?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
I did not know that most people did.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
We go, now we know why.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
A lot of people hated Nixon.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
Well, he made this, He made this claim in in
the case file and speaking to UH investigators. Though, so
why would you say that, like who cares you hate him?
Why are you telling people this in the interview? Why
are you saying this to people in the interview, like
about your child?
Speaker 5 (44:36):
Like what?
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah? One part I think Mitchell went to jail during
the Watergate scandal.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Prison, I think, but do you want to club a
fan and got out quickly of course, probably on release.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
And that's where we had that news article Watergates. Uh
about you remember we read that? You read that?
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, ways back yeah, no, I mean,
honestly speaking, we know that the group in entirety was
all up and involved in that. So let me get
back here. An anonymous source met with Epstein and Lisa
as early as nineteen eighty one. Epstein also stated, to
some people, think okay, but during the nineteen eighties, Epstein
possessed an Austrian passport that had his photo but with
(45:20):
a false name. So this is what I suspect Jack
was into and why he had so many different names.
The passport showed his place of residence in Saudi Arabia.
Very interesting. In twenty seventeen, a former senior White House
official reported that Alexander Acosta, the US Attorney for the
Southern District of Florida who had handled Epstein's criminal case
(45:40):
at the end of the George W. Bush administration, had
stated to interviewers of President Donald Trump's first transition team,
I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave
it alone, and that Epstein was above his pay grade.
That's an interesting statement during the edit.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
It just another reason to suspect that it was not
suicide that killed him.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
They're going to warn him dead.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yep he knows too much. During this period, one of
Epstein's client was a Saudi Arabian businessman, Adnan Kashagi, and
Kashagi came up before all the time who was the
middleman transferring American weapons from Israel to Iran as part
of the Iran Contra affair in the nineteen eighties. Cashagi
had been introduced to him by Lease, and Kashagi was
(46:31):
one of several defense contractors that he knew who with Richard.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Se Cord and Aline North and all those guys.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Well the booze ball and buys his boat from him
right right.
Speaker 6 (46:46):
It's like did you It makes you wonder, like did
you know what was going on? And tried to buy
that boat so we could get evidence on him.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Well or later on it was it was Robert Xwell's boat. No,
I thought, I thought that was somebody's wife one of
the people affiliated with Epstein whose wife ex wife had
(47:16):
purchased the Lady gislaying Robert Maxwell's boat. Yeah that's a
different boat, right, So, yeah, that's a different boat. But
it's all within and and And the thing is is
that a lot of people would claim that Epstein might
possibly because he had cameras all over his joints, that
they that he was attempting to get blackmail information on people,
(47:39):
kind of like you know, the cabal were to keep
the most sensitive information so that we can control you
in whatever manner we need to, but at one point,
if you become a liability, then you have to be
taken care of. And maybe everybody was buying up all
these different things of his thinking that somewhere this information
would have been stored or kept and if they did
(47:59):
find that it's gone, we're never going to see it,
or they're going to hold it for their own control
over these high powered people.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
The CIA, the mafia, and the FBI did the same thing, right.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
So Tower's Financial Corporation was actually one of Epstein's businesses.
Stephen Hoffenberg hired Epstein in nineteen eighty seven as a
consultant for Tower's Financial Corporation, unaffiliated with the company of
the same name founded in nineteen ninety eight and acquired
by Old National Bank Corps, a collection agency that bought
debts people owed to hospitals, banks, and phone companies. Hoffenberg
(48:34):
set Epstein up in offices let's see, I just lost
my yeah in offices in Villard Houses in Manhattan, and
paid him up to twenty five thousand per month for
his consulting work. Hoffenberg and Epstein then refashioned themselves as
corporate raiders, using Tower Financial as their rating vessel. One
(48:57):
of Epstein's first assignments for Hoffenberg was to imple implement
what turned out to be an unsuccessful bid to take
over Pan American World Airways in nineteen eighty seven. A
similar unsuccessful bid in nineteen eighty eight was made to
take over every air freight corp. During this period, Hoffenberg
and Epstein were closely together and traveled everywhere in Haffenberg's
private jet. Now, those in the mafia, those in the mob,
(49:19):
those in the syndicates, they need a way to transport
their goods, whether it be humans or drugs or guns.
So here they are trying to take new hostel takeovers
of airlines, which I'm assuming that at some point they
either did or just continued to use private jets or yeah,
and it's going to get even more discussion by the
(49:39):
time we get into the Lolita Express, because we're going
to find out next week, you guys, that Epstein was
part of the two thousand and eight crash that cost
millions of Americans their four on one k's, their stocks,
their retirements there and millions of Americans their homes in
that little debacle that they used to blow up the
market and then tear it down, and I think was
(50:02):
all to reap the rewards of not only the debt consolidation.
We see that he has this debt consolidation business here,
but one of my theories was that they would foreclothes
on these individuals' houses, they'd sell the debt to another company,
they'd get the insurance, and then they'd throw it on
the steps of the courthouse in order for it to
be sold at auction for a very low cost. They
(50:24):
were winning three times over. But we are at the end.
I've actually ran over at this point. You guys will
climb into that next week. I want to thank you
both for being here. Everybody, have a wonderful weekend, and
we'll see you next Friday.
Speaker 5 (50:36):
Soon all right, yes,
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