September 5, 2025 • 50 mins
Reviewing the contents of the John Walsh letters from Harold Blum and John Stack wit Lindsay MacBrayer. Jack and Nora split again, and Jack is all over the place it appears with Texas being the go-to. Murders begin to happen in the locations that Jack is found. Proximity is key here and the MO is eerily reminiscent of the Zodiac Killer statements and other crimes we have discussed.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
This morning, I'd like to welcome to the show Lindsay mcgraar. Hey,
good morning, beautiful. How are you doing good?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
How about you?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'm awake, I'm happy, I don't know all kinds of energy.
I don't know what to do with my hands. Let's
bring Nolan del Campo to the show as well.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's hilarious that it happens to be both our favorite characters.
Good morning. I actually have that set as a notification
for my text messages. And I was at the super
dealership and this gentleman that was sitting across from me
was on his computer, and of course we're set in
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the middle of the dealership. So there's service and people
and kids yell and dogs barking. There's all kinds of
things going on, and this man has the nerve to
look over to me and tell me to silence my notification. Now,
the minions laughter is absolutely great. I almost laugh every
time I hear my own notification. But how dare this
guy be such a humbug?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
As?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Could you turn that down? Please? I'm like, oh God,
and I'm so noisy, angry individual. Obviously that wasn't having
a good day or he's that way all the time,
And thank goodness, I don't know him. Come on, who
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doesn't like laughter? If that's the whole notification is them laughing?
I just I fall out every time. It's like SpongeBob.
If you hear that fun song the f is for
Friends and you is for that literally starts laughing and
I lose it. I can't sing the song anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Oh yeah, what what's funny?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Is?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
What's even more funny is the the stuff they put
in SpongeBob, like and it's supposed to be for kids,
and you're like.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
What.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Realize you didn't realize it when you were little? But
like then when you as an adult watch like you
see it on TV and you're like, oh my god,
is this is this real life?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Like what it's your young heart? Because I only know
it as an adult.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Well, no, I knew it.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I was like a teenager whenever. But I remember it
being on my little cousins and stuff. And even when
I was a teenager, I didn't even notice it, all right.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I got corrected only because I didn't finish it. And
one says it and I'm gonna try to do this,
but it's epis for friends who do things together you,
is for you and me, and is for anywhere, anytime
at all here in.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
The deep lucy, Oh my god, we are definitely at
that level.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I said, I don't know what to do with my hands.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Did you have a Nialani today?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And I'm barely on my coffee? I just started whatever.
I got some good sleep? Is that an energy drink?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Y'all don't know about Alani's what now?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Now, I can't drink energy drinks. If you imagine this
energy that I have right now, put me on one
of those, you all kick me to the curb. You
won't be able to stand me, I promise, all right,
So last week we left off on the Herald Bloom letter,
which I barely made it through reading. We didn't really
(04:29):
have an opportunity to discuss. So we are back today
with Lindsay mcbrair to talk a little bit about this letter.
So you found this in the atom wash files.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yes, Now it appears as though based on this notation
at the bottom, and this looks like a card that's
probably created by the Hollywood PD. I don't believe that
this was written in conjunction with the letter, but it
is labeled John R.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
Walsh and in the bottom of it it says has
been receiving mail and pH calls lost and yeah regards
to this letter. So obviously Harold Bloom is trying to
reach out to him pretty pretty hard, right mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
There's several different letters in there from him really. Yeah,
there's some to the police into him and to John Walsh.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So what what what made you pull this one of
all the ones that you saw?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Uh? Well, I thought it was significant because that way
it's you see that that is documented legal legal document
where it says that you know, it just proves our
point of them constantly receiving calls and things like that,
and then because it doesn't really specify it, it doesn't
say that it was that he's been seving receiving multiple
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from Harold Bloom. He's been receiving multiple in general, and
we do know that so, but Harold Bloom has sinned
multiple But I don't think that that particular one is
saying that directly towards Harold Bloom, because they're like, the
way the case file is set up is so like discombobulated,
like it's all out of order, and so it's like
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you have to piece it together yourself, and especially when
you're on.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
A computer doing that.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yeah, right, it's a lot harder than if you had
it all print it out, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I'm not sure if it ran in date order
or not. It seemed like I would find things skipping
around in the zodiac files, so I then had to
come and put them in chronological order. So you're right
in that aspect. The files are jumbled. They're scanned in
with no rhyme nor reason. They definitely don't walk from
beginning of the case to the end of the case,
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which is something that I've been trying to do with
Jack's evidence so that people can meet know and see
who Jack was through his life. We're going to get
an earful today on him. But I was kind of
I was kind of like a little confused because it
says white male, date of birth twelve nine oh seven. Who.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Yeah, Yeah, I don't know why he wrote why they
wrote that on that either?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
No? Oh, no, he died in eighty one.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yeah, and I don't even know it could have been seven.
Whose day of birthday? I don't know whose that could
have been. Now, John WASH's birthday is in is in December?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It's not December ninth, and it's not in two thousand
and seven.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Also, the number underneath press looks like a phone number
and not zip code. Yeah, for zip code, but there's
no area code. Correct.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Well, a lot of them don't have a lot of
them don't have an area code because I guess they
just when they're drotting things down, it's they know so.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
They're in their area already. Yeah, that makes sense, all right.
So as I went like that, as we went through this,
and we do recognize that in our first couple of
segments together, lindsay that Harold Bloom was mentioned in a
newspaper article is one of the theories as to what
had occurred with Adam Walsh. That amongst O'Toole, which we
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know is a complete joke. Uh And and I think
a couple other theories, but this one stood out to
us because he kept claiming that this was a political move,
that this was mob related. I mean even in this
letter he says they're basically one and the same thing,
and that the Hollywood Police Department felt that this was
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a mob hit from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Oh yeah, they did.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And have you read this entire note.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
It's where he's saying that they made some kind of deal.
It was some kind of deal went wrong, and it
was had tied to the mob, had ties to Nixon,
had ties to uh but the Bahamas, the Paradise Hotel,
and he did.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
The Paradise Hotel. I didn't read the Paradise Hotel in here,
but that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So that been another letter, but I may I may
not have sent you.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, but well then I definitely see that one because
we know that the zodiac refers to Paradise, and while
he's played on it, using it making it look as
though he's talking about a pair of dice as in gambling,
that still leads us back to mob. It still has
its own innuendos. But if you find that letter, definitely
let me know. I know that in this particular page
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he had indicated that the murder was a political assassination,
that let's see a six year old boy a political murder.
But the letter does not stop here like it did
all the times before. In the circle of Vero Beach,
Indian River County law enforcement, it is well known fact
that it was a political killing. And then of course
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the Hollywood detectives also thought that it might have been
a mob hit. So basically back and forth, and then
this guy, I guess I'm assuming, gets stifled. Right. I
don't know what the disposition of this individual is, if
he's still alive, if this was he's basically stating that
he used to be a millionaire and that that due
to what they have done to him, he's basically lost
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all of his money and was hiding out at a
friend's house in Vero Beach or yeah, Saint Saint Petersburg.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I think see if I can go to that, I
believe he was sorry.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
He was a big to do in the media and
newspapers and things like that, so I think he was
a journalist.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Oh, it would be interesting to figure out who this
gentleman is. And he does refer to some media people.
So at the end, which I wasn't able to decipher
the entire message, said an innocent ad lib to me
by Hans Freeman. Hands Freeman of CNN at least be
terrified these people into Adam's death. They had to do
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something drastic at once or be exposed. What about the
statement of Barbara Walters in San Francisco? And then I
couldn't read this last little section that's there at the bottom.
It's too blurry. The letters have bled into each other.
But I really feel like if they're going to create
a FOY a file of information on unsolved cases, that
they should have the gall to scan it in at
(11:11):
a resolution good enough to make it legible thirty forty
years from now. I mean, you're not serving anything in
this state.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
And it made me think, like, you know, because I've
seen other case files that are not like this. But
then it makes you think, like, what other cold case
files that are that old are like this and that
are unsolved. And that's one reason probably why they're not solved,
because they probably threw away the paper file and all
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you have is to scan file.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So what if that was the case, then you're like,
it's like.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Really, and they shouldn't do that because clearly this being
a piece of evidence or at least a lead in
the actual case, you should not throw away these types
of evidence, right.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Right, No, it's it's physical evidence, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
People get the same exactly and what I founds whatever, No,
you have to have the original document, especially.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Some of the pictures.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
You should see what some of the pictures in here
look like, Oh my god, they're like it's like white
with like a fake but like like like like a
box around it, like you could tell it was a picture,
but like how they scan it in like you.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Could a picture of anything, Like Yeah, I was like,
what is this?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Well if that's intentional or inadvertent, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, Well, And that's what I was gonna say
about the Zodiac Foil files. When you go into the
Zodiac Foil files and the FBI archives and you look
at some of the communications that are attributed to the
Zodiac case, the way that they scanned them in, now
you can you can look at the the reports and
the different communications going back and forth between law enforcement,
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and they're scanned in they look absolutely normal. There's nothing
messed up, deranged, or altered about them. But if you
look at the actual communications, they have truncated them, squosed
them down like they have done. I said, squos this
is a word, at least for me, guys. But they
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warped the communications so badly that it would be almost
impossible for anybody investigating the case today to know what
that handwriting looked truly like. So it wasn't just the
fact that they scanned it in at such a low
resolution and DPI that it literally you know, truncated or
compacted it. I mean it literally warped it. If I
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showed you side by side, and I believe I've done
this in the past, where I've showed individuals what the
actual communication looked like in comparison to what was scanned
into the FOIA files, you see that drastic difference. And
I think that that's not inadvertent, that's definitely on purpose.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
I really do think, because this is the same it's
the same concept in the Adam Walsh case. Ftile this
clear and then it's like crap.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Right, and this one it looks clear, and thing's warped
about it whatsoever. It doesn't look like it's been squished
or truncated like it. It looks absolutely normal. So why
the zodiac communications do not is really kind of baffling.
Now that takes me to this letter, which we didn't
make it to because I honestly can't read this thing.
You said, this was an extremely interesting letter from John Stack,
(14:34):
and I don't have a clue what it says. Who's Yeah,
tell us what you.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Said, John? He said, who's John Stack? She means.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Right, it's no, this is a letter you sent me
from a John P. Stack. And you said, this is
an interesting letter from John Stack.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Yeah he was. He was the man on Unsolved Mysteries. Yes,
and he was from California and their studio and everything
was in California.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Oh so you mean he was what the commentator on,
you know, the guy that.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Used to have the coat on Unsolved Mysteries, and.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
He'd be like today on Unsolved Mysteries was going to
be discussing by basis.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
John Walsh before John the John Walsh And because you
know you didn't, Unsolved Mysteries pretty much faded out and
went away.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
When America SMIs wanted came out right, and that my
thought was kind of significant. Why is he writing a
letter to write?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Okay, so like that famous guy that's on Forensic Files,
he's the voice over or the the person who talks
and commentates throughout the segment.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, but he actually it shows him.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
So if you if you remember a makrismas wondered how
John w Wash he walks up and has his hands
in his pockets and he's like today on Yeah, Like
it's like the same concept, but instead of the black jacket,
the black leather jacket and the jeans with John Walsh,
John Stack is wearing a long trench coat and it's
like they're usually like a it's like a gray or
(16:24):
sometimes it's like a light brown tan or beige, and
it's always like uh, like he always has his hands
in the pockets too on it and it's.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Like Loss copied him.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Literally if you go if you just pull up little
clips like the later on Today or something, and you
see what I'm talking about, and I'm like and you're like,
what is going on here?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Like what?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
So do you know what the contents of the letter
was that made it so interesting or is it just interesting?
That it came from an individual who was on Unsolved Mysteries.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Oh he was the man. He was the John Walsh
back before the John Walsh.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, no, no, But what I'm saying is is you stated
that the letter was interesting. I'm trying to determine why
it was interesting to you. Were you able to read it?
Do you know what the contents of the letter said.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
I couldn't read the middle part. It was just saying
how they might have had information about another case that
was in California that may be connected, because there's a
lot of stuff like that in there where it's like,
I mean, people from all over the United States would
contact the police station and say, hey, we have a
similar case here, blah blah blah, we might have some
(17:44):
information for you, or we might connect something like that.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I think it was that kind of deal. So yeah,
all right, well then that.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Makes sense saying that, you know, he's out of California,
and while I look and when I look that address
up that actually was his address where he was living,
and everything so got and then the way he was
on the show, on his show, and then the way
John it was just like very strange.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
It looks like someone intentionally almost redacted significant portions of
it to conceal what it really contains, because you can't
read most of it.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
His signature is nice and strong, so why the rest of.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
The top is readable the first paragraph, but after that
it gets tough to read.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, yeah, I mean completely missing portions altogether. This was
never meant to be.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
And if you think about, like, okay, a type letter
should be the easiest thing to scan in and to
show up clearly.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
All of their.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
All of their file requests, all their reports, all of
their law enforcement things back and forth to each other,
are a very nice and strong and they're all type
written as well.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Mm hmm yeah yeah within like yeah, so it's no
excuse for that, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
No, no, unless this was a carbon copy set in
threes just like the zodiac did.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I mean it could be, but at all, because but
they were cop they were scanned in like in ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I think, well, even even the Sherry Joe confession letter,
which was type written, was indicated to have been on
carbon copy. So he put in what I think they
thought was at least three pieces of paper and two
pieces of carbon And then this letter evidently was sent
to either more than one location, or he chose the
(19:43):
one in the center that was definitely just made out
of the carbon portion rather than the actual type print
in order to submit his message. Either way, it it
was scanned in at a resolution that was much better
and it was readable unlike this letter. All right, well
we now know why this one was interesting. That's going
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to actually take us back to the murders, to what's
going on with Jack. Now, we have a murder in Austin,
Texas on December sixth of nineteen ninety one that I
thought was completely up the alley of the Zodiac Killer.
And what I do know, though I don't know the
precise date, is that this is really the time frame
(20:27):
in which Nora and Jack split again. So I like
to remind everybody that we start to see things pick up.
Jack is back in Texas. Whenever there's a split or
a breakup for Jack, whether it's with previous wives or
with Nora, we start to see things going on once again,
and murders seem to ramp up, ramp up communications, just
(20:49):
as we've seen in these nineteen ninety one communications coming out,
and we know that Jack is going to be I'm
going to show you that he's back in Texas at
least by February, if not by January. So we have
this murder and it's called the Yogurt Shop murders in Austin, Texas.
Thirteen year old Amy Ayre's, seventeen year old Jennifer Harbison,
fifteen year old Sarah Harbison, and seventeen year old Eliza
(21:12):
Thomas were killed in this. In this murder spree, cops
believed that it was shortly after midnight that it occurred.
They were all tied to gather, bound and gagged with
their own clothes. They were shot in the back of
the head, execution style, and three girls were stacked on
top of each other. This was really reminiscent to me
to the South Carolina murder in nineteen forty three, the
(21:35):
Lake Bottom murders that were obviously in another country, but
it was a campsite, and then the place after they
were stacked on top of each other, they were set
on fire. So we have the arson aspect as well.
So we have by gun, we have by knife, we
have basically by rope, even though it was his their
clothes that were used. Right either way, it kind of
(21:57):
ticked off all of those boxes, and we know that
Jack has left Nora, though we're not exactly sure of
the timeframe. December twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, we see
a murder back in Fairfield, California, of Amanda and Nicole
Eileen Campbell. Her bike is found in a field. A
lot of these child abductions and murders, we literally find
(22:19):
a bicycle that's been posted up somewhere close by, left behind,
in some cases stacked on top of the bodies. Either way,
it's almost like when we have these couples murders where
the cars go missing and are found some you know,
short distance or miles away to the same token. It
is very reminiscent, and that brings.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
So I found so real quick time later I found
a whenever I first found that letter from John Stack,
I forgot that I had took it and put it
in my software and made it like blew it up
to where and made it more contrasted so I could
read it.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
And I just found that piece.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
So are you able to read any portion of it?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, yep, it read it. My name is John Stack.
How are you doing.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I've seen your story twice and as a single parent
of a ten year old boy.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I'm very scared and very angry.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Your statement about not understanding the priorities of this country
when and when it comes to the protection of our
children rather surprise me. If you look at history world, abuse,
mayhem and exploitation of children is nothing new.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
In Scotland. Something something.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Mothers had days to take their babies' whole minds and
drove and broke their backs drying trying to take enough
money to feed them benefits. This country had to pass
child labor laws to stop the brutal exploitation of children.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Okay, we're about to get the good one.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
There it has.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
There has down a felony complaints arrest weren't issued for
any for something ex wife for years to provide child support.
The DA just informed me that the collection of child
support has been very has been very a priority and
(24:23):
nothing new to him for the parent court.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Blah blah blah. I'm trying to just skip down. Okay,
here we go.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
So you know, the FBI has plenty of this information
and all and all the money they need to run
this sting operation to entrap some rotten congress that we
all know are a part of the system. Any Aren't
(24:53):
they running sting operations to find out what's happening to
the fifty thousand children that are go missing each year
in this country, never to be seen again. His answer
will be, there's no money, there's no persistence in it
(25:14):
for them. I've written a very hard hitting documentary film
proposal about this subject.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Instantly.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
No one has seen it, nor I have had the
time to shop for production money or had time something.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
It also suggests, in basic detail.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
How there can be a new protection system designed and
developed for children.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
If you feel you.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Have the time and avenues to secure the needed funds,
I would be happy to send you the proposal upon
written requests. It should be produced and distributed asap. He
wrote that out in put dots you can see hot
Congressmen dor Nan spends our time sincerely yours John's deck
(26:02):
or John B's deck.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So he's right. So he is basically touching on the
child trafficking ring, the involvement of politicians, just short of
actually indicating that there's mob involvement, which I'm pretty sure
that that's where it all emanates from. I mean, I
don't believe that those in politics are running the illegal
(26:26):
rings they're just participating in it and facilitating. Right, they're funding,
allowing me, they're allowing it. I just watched the plight
on the steps of Well it was in Washington, d C.
By the victims of the Epstein case, and it just
dawned on me. I mean, I'm not going to say
(26:46):
dawned on me as much as instilled my thoughts that
Trump is not going to release this Epstein file. It
implicates him. It implicates just so many different political people,
high influential, rich, well individuals.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
I don't think I don't think that they're allowing him
to I think that, but he's in it.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
He's in it. I mean, let's let's let's be real, right,
he's part of it. So there's there's a reason for
him not to and join that band. So it's unfortunate.
But watching that just really made me, you know, realize
that we've got people who are standing here saying I
was abused by the Prince of England. I was abused
(27:28):
by political people, by rich people, and nobody.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
A secret guy what was his name?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Uh him exactly. So to know that this is going
on and the public is no more outraged than they are,
and they're just going to turn their heads and look
the other way. And then we've got these individuals that
are out here that are you know, maybe they're Democrats
that are hating on people who got Trump into office,
(27:58):
not actually realizing or wanting to rationalize that every person
that they back and believe that should be in office
are part of this ring and the separate to you know,
separating state from church. And we've got this the family
with the prayer breakfast, which you can see Trump as
part of. You can see all the presidents all the
way back. We're part of. These world leaders are part of.
(28:22):
And and then I was told that I think recently
and maybe Nolan you might know a little bit about this,
they're trying to overturn the precedence that allows same sex
marriage in the United States. Have you been aware of this?
Speaker 4 (28:37):
But yeah, there's a movement and Trump and his people
are all want to abolish it. Basically, right, why do
you have to get in people's bedrooms or right, that's
their own choice, you know.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
And have you not have you not heard that proposal
from from Pam Bondi, that proposal about not letting extremist, uh,
you know, the shooter that that shooter guy. I've kind
of just put it to the side and the whole thing. Yeah,
well I've heard business pieces about him, but apparently he's
(29:13):
a trans or something. And uh, they're trying to have
those type of people uh banned from owning guns uh
and and or having them in they're in their possession.
It's like, so that leads me to think that, Okay, well.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
We don't need to do that.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
We don't need to do that to anyone, because that's
just leading up to more people. Okay, well, if they
have mental mental issues, then that means that they can
take this law that they're trying to propose and put
it on somebody else that has mental issues, that that
does need a gun and protect for their protection for
whatever you know, or there whatever it is, and then
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it's gonna be got something else. It's gonna just keep
going and then eventually like no one's going to have one.
So that just need that that needs it doesn't need
to be against anyone.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Okay, I got I got two statements, and I'm hoping
that I can keep them both in track. So when
we go back to the Netflix documentary on the Family,
which talks about the prayer, breakfast and the induction of
all these world leaders. We see that co the guy
behind the scenes that's been seen with all the presidents
all the way back to Roosevelt. Uh. He has literally
once he gets these countries leaders on board, he then
(30:29):
times to manipulate their different laws and standards and things.
And in one of the countries, they were literally trying
to get same sex marriage overturned. It failed in that country,
But the documentary itself talked a lot about the integration
of state and their desires to have things ran the
way they believe, and that includes changing laws in other countries,
(30:51):
and now we're about to see that happen in our
own country. Second note on this, on this gentleman that
had mental issues, yes, I don't believe that you should
have If you truly have mental issues without medications, you
probably should not own a gun because we don't know
what you're going to do. We don't know when you're
going to snap. And of the twenty three shootings, this
(31:12):
was some information given to me, at least from two
different avenues. I was told in one case, twenty one
of the twenty three shootings were mentally ill people who
were on psychotropic drugs. So basically, if you've already got
mental issues and your brain isn't working correctly, can you
imagine throwing a chemical at it that may not agree
(31:33):
with your system in general? And so if and then
another individual indicated they read that all twenty three were
on ps psychotropic drugs. So if you have mental issues,
if you were on these type of drugs and you
fail to take them, let's say they are working and
they're not messing you up, if you fail to take them,
as many do, then you're bound to spiral back down
(31:55):
into that bad behavior of those bad thoughts and then
commit these crimes out getting rid of these drugs. How
about working on the person's real issues rather than throwing
chemicals at them that cause even more issues. There's my
two cents.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Okay, I just a little sight on that. It's it's
a full moon last couple of days. And I never
said I drive on the freeways all the time in
Sacramento area, and I can tell when it's a full moon,
not even by looking at the moon, by the way
people drive, because because the moon affects a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
And there's a song about that too, the freaks come
out at night.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
A speed they drive like lunatics. Yesterday, tomorrow, it's going
to be terrible. So just be careful, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And three Rex this morning.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Three I truly, I truly believe that what you eat
and you put in your body can have an extreme
effect done your hormones on your the chemical makeup of
your body. And what if just some of these foods
were being fed, or some of these foods that were
being allowed to buy in our grocery stores have just
enough chemicals or hormones or pesticides or other things in
(33:17):
them to cause these type of mental issues in people.
We need to start starting. We need to start with
the basis of what we eat and put into our
body and see how that affects everything else. Because we
do know that there are particular foods and chemicals and
preservatives and other things that absolutely affect the hormones which
will affect the chemical makeup of your brain in individuals
(33:39):
as young as seven and eight year olds who are
going into puberty well before they should be. So just
to note, let's look at what we're eating making money.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
They know, they already know.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, all right, So back to our murders. Well, we
now have Jack, it was going on? What was really
going on? Now back to Jack, We actually have Jack
in Texas. Now, this is the first documented picture I
have of him back in Texas. It's February sixth, nineteen
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ninety two. Jack's birthday at his mom's in Texas. Would
confirm that he is now living separate and apart from Nora,
as indicated by the next entry of her address during
this time. Also receipts for an Azuzu pickup truck sold
with the address in Dale, Texas from two ninety two
through twelve ninety two, as we see for Jack for
some time to come. So, Dale, Texas is approximately thirty
(34:36):
six miles from Austin, Texas, where the yogurt shop murders occurred. This, again,
is that proximity in which case I had indicated in
the past that the Zodiac held anywhere from half an
hour up to two hours away from home, maybe another
hour off in another direction to dump the body, but
always within that proximity. So we know that Jack has
(34:57):
purchased this property for flow in Texas, which may or
may not be his property with his name on it.
But I know his mother resided there until she passed
and I want to say that was the ninety six
ninety seven. We'll be getting to that soon. But you
can see these receipts down here at the bottom. He's
definitely giving the Shady Oaks a dress, which all makes
(35:18):
it makes sense when I say we need to be
looking at Jack and the zodiac for those yogurt shop murders.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
Well, and that's whenever almost like.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold, hold on, hold
on one second, guys, let me go back, no one
go what'd you say? The picture on the left is
actually flover This is Flova on the left, and then
on the right over here is Jack sitting here eating
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his birthdake care and this is Red and and he literally,
in one of his letters to Red said he was
going to have to come there and basically put him
down or shut him up like a dog, basically if
he didn't do what Jack was telling him to do.
I don't know if we've gotten to that letter yet,
right like, don't make me have to come there and
(36:10):
fly a red flag, he said. I think that was
the words. All right, now, go ahead, I'm sorry, Lindsay.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
She's gonna say.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
This is kind of like the timeframe where everything kind
of hypes up again, that serial killer error and all that,
all the craziness kind of starts happening all of a
sudden again. You know how he slows down and then
he picks it back up. Well, we see that in
these years again. And also I've seen in the case
file that there's a lot of stuff that hypes up
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in those years as well that are in the case
files about crazy stuff that is in their random things
are put in there. And and He's and then John's
getting all these letters like back to back from all
these different people about all these crazy, you know things,
And it just says.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Well, but by this time he's on America's Most Wanted, right,
Uh So he may very well be getting the crazy
letters because now he's in the eye of the public.
He is a celebrity, and he's trying to solve crimes, right,
So he may be getting a lot of craziness in
regards to it. But I always find it interesting that
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whenever Jack is in the middle of a separation, a
divorce or a split or whatever it is that he's
got going on, trouble with the law, trouble with his
step son and the law, we start to see things
happen zodiac esque like murders in Texas. And we know
that Jack is often back and forth to Texas, but
we're going to see him here in Texas at least
(37:36):
for a good solid year. So anything that's happening in Texas,
I highly suggest we need to be looking at or
maybe even the affiliation to or acquaintances of these other
individuals that have been considered prime suspects for some of
these crimes, which we're going to talk about a couple
more here. On April eighth of nineteen eighty two, Robin
(37:58):
Fuldaur and it says Indianapolis shoe store clerk, which is
considered one of the I seventy murders, dies. On April
eleventh of nineteen ninety two, we have Patricia Maggers Patricia Smith, Whichita,
Kansas bridal shop shot after being pushed into the back room.
It's another I seventy murder. They let a witness go
(38:20):
after being seen, which was strange, and it happens to
be a male customer. And we know that there was
overkill on the females versus the males in the Zodiac stuff.
So I had notated myself that I wanted to research
the I seventy murders. Nora left Jack this particular year,
so we know he's free to do whatever he wants
to do. Also, research the activity compared to each time
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they break up and divorce and get back together, which
I just discussed a little bit. We see the activity
pick up and we see it slow down when he
has a job. We see the communications kind of go
to the wayside, and the murders maybe go to the wayside.
But then we start to see it ramp back up
and pit back up whenever something bad is going on
in Jack's life. On April sixteenth of nineteen ninety two,
(39:03):
we had the murder of a Hispanic Maria Carmen dell Strata.
Now this one was attributed to Anthony Allen Shore, so
I paid a little bit of attention to the fact
that there is a reference to a partner named Alan
in the Oakland County child murders the same spelling even
and he's considered to be a tourniquet killer, uses a
toothbrush or a bamboo stick in the tourniquet with a
(39:25):
special knot, which really kind of drove me into the
John Benny Ramsey stuff. Because yeah, she's just about to
say that. And then in Tim Miller's letters, we know
that the author is claiming that there was someone else
out there killing too Oriental and Hispanics, but not Zodiac Jack,
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because he's very aware of the individual who is doing this.
He wants to make sure that Tim Miller understands that
there's other people out there also killing at the same time,
and almost to the degree that he even knows them.
I mean, the way he makes it sound is like
he has some whole knowledge or at least he's able
to say, please, don't attribute these to me. And that's
very zodiac asque and it brings me back to when
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the Zodiac was talking about the BTK bomber Kazinski that
I didn't bomb that cop on the police station steps.
Don't look at me for that. If you guys thought
I was going to set a bomb off your nuts,
he really just used it as a tactic to keep
them busy. And I guess Anthony Allen Shore's victims are
primarily Hispanic So this was brought into the display because
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Jack recognized this killer in the two thousand and five
confession letter to Tim Miller. I believe he may have
been an acquaintance of this individual, and this may be
who we are looking for in the John Bennet Ramsey
case where Jack wrote the ransom note and the very
unique tournique that was found on John Bennet may have
been the work of Shore or somebody who was familiar
with it and repeated or copycatidate. Either way, I've always
(40:58):
been kind of convinced that they're a possibility that the
DNA is not going to match fingerprints, that's not going
to match the handwriting. So the confusion will carry and
continue on forever in regards to John Denny Ramsay, because
if they found somebody where the DNA matched, it's likely
the handwriting won't and fingerprints and so on and so
forth on down the line.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Quick question, Yes, Maria Carman della Strata, where was she killed?
This is in Texas, tex I figured tex Was it
near the border?
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I don't know. I think you're we have thinking the
same thought.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
I think because at that time period there were a
lot about killings in northern Mexico near Waters, the City
Waters and al Paso, and some of the United States,
some in Mexico, most of them in Mexico, but there
was a ring and a long Mexican law enforcement was involved,
and there's a productions and killings of young young Mexican girls.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Some more trafficking, more human trafficking.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
Well, and the thing that he's talking about is all
was also this ring was associated with Honest Tool and
the cult that he was in as well.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Yes, there's cult connections and a lot of it goes
back to what they call the Machilodoras, the United States
factories in northern Mexico that hired cheap Mexican labor.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Have you heard of.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
So have you heard the cold call it the hand
of death?
Speaker 4 (42:32):
I have, I've probably heard of it, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Not Yeah, and it's not it's not any it's not
anything I cover in this presentation. Unfortunately. I do know
that there is a relation though with Mexico in a
ranch that the CIA would post people up who were
under indictment or suspicion for that's a lot of tax evasion. Okay, Oh,
that's the one you're talking about for the hand of Dad.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Oh, okay, So maybe there is a connection I'm not
aware of, but we do know that they would often
hide mob politician, anybody who was under indictment that they
needed to get out of the country. I think if
they didn't kill you or your kids to shut you up,
they scurried you out to another location where you couldn't
be questioned because you would ultimately probably pop the can
(43:18):
on everybody, kind of like Epstein.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
I'll get my notebook out and I'll take a picture
of my notes from that from whenever I was saying that, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, I did not know that was a cult. I
just thought that that was kind of a CIA operation, Yes, yeah,
And I didn't really find the cult. I think it
was Louise Louis if if I'm correct, it was a
Her last name was Spangler. She worked for one of
(43:53):
the big big nightclubs in the LA area, and she
had gone missing, and the Black Dahlia author had written
a postcard that was from that particular joint, and then
they had indicated that she was with another person, either
a member of the CIA or the Mob, and the
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two of them had been seen. They had been seen
after we'ds after we were told she had gone missing.
Body is never surfaced of this individual, and that there
was potential for them to have been flown to Mexico
to keep them quiet basically in regards to some indictment
that they were under. So I didn't recognize it to
(44:35):
be a cult as much as I recognized it to
be a system within the system to ensure that these
people never testify because others would end up in trouble
over it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Anyways, A click note on the whole satanical thing. In
the Maury Terry book the journalists that wrote about the
So Sam murders, he alleges that they're different centers, mainly
New York, but also Houston, Texas in l A and
then min not or men. I think it's North Dakota
(45:10):
or South Dakota. It's one of the Dakota's for centers
of uh Satanic cold activities and Houston is one of them.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
So anyway, Wow, it was called Metamorris Ranch.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Metamoros Okay, Yeah, Martha Morros.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Okay, now you you made a comment here on the
studio chat, Lindsay in regards to the Walsh fighting against
the release of Outam Walsh's files. Even that was one
of the things.
Speaker 5 (45:44):
I'll put that in there because that when we're since
we're coming up on the on the on then on
the mid nineties.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Uh, that was in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Six where they literally went to court and tried to
fight against fight against them being released.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
That's insane, That makes absolutely no sense, no sense.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
You supposedly don't know who killed your son, beheaded him,
no less mm hmm, and you want to fight against
the release of that information which could help solve the.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Case someone coming forward.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
The only thing I can read it that is that
you don't want your information, the things that might lead
back to your nefarious deeds released, because ultimately speaking, they
dug up I'm sure a lot of information. Oh yeah,
probably the same reason why he didn't want the FBI
to assist and hoping that in that particular.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
Yep, and then hired his own uh retired uh not
FBI retired police agent from Miami to uh come in
because oh he was a good friend and got him
to solve the case after that, but.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
They didn't solve the case.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
A right.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah, that's just a little bit too too, too crazy,
too strange. How do you promote a show working with
the FBI trying to solve cases when you fight to
keep yours from getting saltd you fight from having the
very individuals that you now work with involved in it.
That's it's too shady, it's too strange for me.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
That's why I'm like digging, just keep I just keep digging,
and I just keep.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
On Fox.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yep, yes, I guess your own Fox.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Yeah yeah, anyway, Yeah, I just I had a hunch.
I never really watched show I was airt.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
But so carrying on with Jack, at this point, we
have more more instances of him being in Texas, and
this is April nineteenth of nineteen ninety two. As I
had stated in the past, there are plenty of times
we've seen Jack in Texas, visiting Mom on Easter. It
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must be something particular, but we know he is literally
living here at this point. It says April nineteenth, nineteen
ninety two, Jack is at a family gathering for Easter,
and there's no sign of Nora or Charles in these pictures,
so it's clearly Jack here. Loane, there are pictures of
Flova's new house on Shady Oaks and Chubb's place in
Sagein Now I'm a little confused because we read some
(48:35):
time ago what was supposed to be the eulogy for
Chubbs for Jack's or maybe Chubbs is Jack's uncle. I'm
trying to determine whether I had the right one. But
it's said that Dawn had written the eulogy for his brother,
and so now I'm even more I'm confused. I'm gonna
(48:55):
have to go back and cross reference to see if
Chuck or Charles is than Chubbs, and maybe one is
an uncle, and maybe I have misstated some of the
family dynamics here because Chubbs I believe is Jack's brother
and he is still living in Texas at this time,
So that pretty much I'm going to stop there. We'll
(49:15):
pick back up on this next murder and other information
that we have about Jack in the Texas area at
that time. Is there anything you guys want to add
last minute?
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Be careful out there.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
It's a full man. Yeah, it said the seventh. There's
supposed to be some type of I think eclipse. Again,
I don't know what it knows about these things. It
was showing this bright red blood moon. Yeah, that would
be even worse. Well, thank you Lindsey for being here,
Thank you Nolan. Everybody have a great weekend, and we
(49:50):
will see you next Friday.
Speaker 4 (49:53):
See your Friday not sooner
Speaker 2 (50:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
This morning, I'd like to welcome to the show Lindsay mcgraar. Hey,
good morning, beautiful. How are you doing good?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
How about you?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'm awake, I'm happy, I don't know all kinds of energy.
I don't know what to do with my hands. Let's
bring Nolan del Campo to the show as well.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's hilarious that it happens to be both our favorite characters.
Good morning. I actually have that set as a notification
for my text messages. And I was at the super
dealership and this gentleman that was sitting across from me
was on his computer, and of course we're set in
(01:48):
the middle of the dealership. So there's service and people
and kids yell and dogs barking. There's all kinds of
things going on, and this man has the nerve to
look over to me and tell me to silence my notification. Now,
the minions laughter is absolutely great. I almost laugh every
time I hear my own notification. But how dare this
guy be such a humbug?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
As?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Could you turn that down? Please? I'm like, oh God,
and I'm so noisy, angry individual. Obviously that wasn't having
a good day or he's that way all the time,
And thank goodness, I don't know him. Come on, who
(02:35):
doesn't like laughter? If that's the whole notification is them laughing?
I just I fall out every time. It's like SpongeBob.
If you hear that fun song the f is for
Friends and you is for that literally starts laughing and
I lose it. I can't sing the song anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Oh yeah, what what's funny?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Is?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
What's even more funny is the the stuff they put
in SpongeBob, like and it's supposed to be for kids,
and you're like.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
What.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Realize you didn't realize it when you were little? But
like then when you as an adult watch like you
see it on TV and you're like, oh my god,
is this is this real life?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Like what it's your young heart? Because I only know
it as an adult.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Well, no, I knew it.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I was like a teenager whenever. But I remember it
being on my little cousins and stuff. And even when
I was a teenager, I didn't even notice it, all right.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I got corrected only because I didn't finish it. And
one says it and I'm gonna try to do this,
but it's epis for friends who do things together you,
is for you and me, and is for anywhere, anytime
at all here in.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
The deep lucy, Oh my god, we are definitely at
that level.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I said, I don't know what to do with my hands.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Did you have a Nialani today?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And I'm barely on my coffee? I just started whatever.
I got some good sleep? Is that an energy drink?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Y'all don't know about Alani's what now?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Now, I can't drink energy drinks. If you imagine this
energy that I have right now, put me on one
of those, you all kick me to the curb. You
won't be able to stand me, I promise, all right,
So last week we left off on the Herald Bloom letter,
which I barely made it through reading. We didn't really
(04:29):
have an opportunity to discuss. So we are back today
with Lindsay mcbrair to talk a little bit about this letter.
So you found this in the atom wash files.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yes, Now it appears as though based on this notation
at the bottom, and this looks like a card that's
probably created by the Hollywood PD. I don't believe that
this was written in conjunction with the letter, but it
is labeled John R.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
Walsh and in the bottom of it it says has
been receiving mail and pH calls lost and yeah regards
to this letter. So obviously Harold Bloom is trying to
reach out to him pretty pretty hard, right mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
There's several different letters in there from him really. Yeah,
there's some to the police into him and to John Walsh.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So what what what made you pull this one of
all the ones that you saw?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Uh? Well, I thought it was significant because that way
it's you see that that is documented legal legal document
where it says that you know, it just proves our
point of them constantly receiving calls and things like that,
and then because it doesn't really specify it, it doesn't
say that it was that he's been seving receiving multiple
(05:46):
from Harold Bloom. He's been receiving multiple in general, and
we do know that so, but Harold Bloom has sinned
multiple But I don't think that that particular one is
saying that directly towards Harold Bloom, because they're like, the
way the case file is set up is so like discombobulated,
like it's all out of order, and so it's like
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you have to piece it together yourself, and especially when
you're on.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
A computer doing that.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yeah, right, it's a lot harder than if you had
it all print it out, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I'm not sure if it ran in date order
or not. It seemed like I would find things skipping
around in the zodiac files, so I then had to
come and put them in chronological order. So you're right
in that aspect. The files are jumbled. They're scanned in
with no rhyme nor reason. They definitely don't walk from
beginning of the case to the end of the case,
(06:38):
which is something that I've been trying to do with
Jack's evidence so that people can meet know and see
who Jack was through his life. We're going to get
an earful today on him. But I was kind of
I was kind of like a little confused because it
says white male, date of birth twelve nine oh seven. Who.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Yeah, Yeah, I don't know why he wrote why they
wrote that on that either?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
No? Oh, no, he died in eighty one.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yeah, and I don't even know it could have been seven.
Whose day of birthday? I don't know whose that could
have been. Now, John WASH's birthday is in is in December?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It's not December ninth, and it's not in two thousand
and seven.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Also, the number underneath press looks like a phone number
and not zip code. Yeah, for zip code, but there's
no area code. Correct.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Well, a lot of them don't have a lot of
them don't have an area code because I guess they
just when they're drotting things down, it's they know so.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
They're in their area already. Yeah, that makes sense, all right.
So as I went like that, as we went through this,
and we do recognize that in our first couple of
segments together, lindsay that Harold Bloom was mentioned in a
newspaper article is one of the theories as to what
had occurred with Adam Walsh. That amongst O'Toole, which we
(08:09):
know is a complete joke. Uh And and I think
a couple other theories, but this one stood out to
us because he kept claiming that this was a political move,
that this was mob related. I mean even in this
letter he says they're basically one and the same thing,
and that the Hollywood Police Department felt that this was
(08:29):
a mob hit from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Oh yeah, they did.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And have you read this entire note.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
It's where he's saying that they made some kind of deal.
It was some kind of deal went wrong, and it
was had tied to the mob, had ties to Nixon,
had ties to uh but the Bahamas, the Paradise Hotel,
and he did.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
The Paradise Hotel. I didn't read the Paradise Hotel in here,
but that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So that been another letter, but I may I may
not have sent you.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, but well then I definitely see that one because
we know that the zodiac refers to Paradise, and while
he's played on it, using it making it look as
though he's talking about a pair of dice as in gambling,
that still leads us back to mob. It still has
its own innuendos. But if you find that letter, definitely
let me know. I know that in this particular page
(09:25):
he had indicated that the murder was a political assassination,
that let's see a six year old boy a political murder.
But the letter does not stop here like it did
all the times before. In the circle of Vero Beach,
Indian River County law enforcement, it is well known fact
that it was a political killing. And then of course
(09:47):
the Hollywood detectives also thought that it might have been
a mob hit. So basically back and forth, and then
this guy, I guess I'm assuming, gets stifled. Right. I
don't know what the disposition of this individual is, if
he's still alive, if this was he's basically stating that
he used to be a millionaire and that that due
to what they have done to him, he's basically lost
(10:08):
all of his money and was hiding out at a
friend's house in Vero Beach or yeah, Saint Saint Petersburg.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I think see if I can go to that, I
believe he was sorry.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
He was a big to do in the media and
newspapers and things like that, so I think he was
a journalist.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Oh, it would be interesting to figure out who this
gentleman is. And he does refer to some media people.
So at the end, which I wasn't able to decipher
the entire message, said an innocent ad lib to me
by Hans Freeman. Hands Freeman of CNN at least be
terrified these people into Adam's death. They had to do
(10:49):
something drastic at once or be exposed. What about the
statement of Barbara Walters in San Francisco? And then I
couldn't read this last little section that's there at the bottom.
It's too blurry. The letters have bled into each other.
But I really feel like if they're going to create
a FOY a file of information on unsolved cases, that
they should have the gall to scan it in at
(11:11):
a resolution good enough to make it legible thirty forty
years from now. I mean, you're not serving anything in
this state.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
And it made me think, like, you know, because I've
seen other case files that are not like this. But
then it makes you think, like, what other cold case
files that are that old are like this and that
are unsolved. And that's one reason probably why they're not solved,
because they probably threw away the paper file and all
(11:40):
you have is to scan file.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So what if that was the case, then you're like,
it's like.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Really, and they shouldn't do that because clearly this being
a piece of evidence or at least a lead in
the actual case, you should not throw away these types
of evidence, right.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Right, No, it's it's physical evidence, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
People get the same exactly and what I founds whatever, No,
you have to have the original document, especially.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Some of the pictures.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
You should see what some of the pictures in here
look like, Oh my god, they're like it's like white
with like a fake but like like like like a
box around it, like you could tell it was a picture,
but like how they scan it in like you.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Could a picture of anything, Like Yeah, I was like,
what is this?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Well if that's intentional or inadvertent, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, Well, And that's what I was gonna say
about the Zodiac Foil files. When you go into the
Zodiac Foil files and the FBI archives and you look
at some of the communications that are attributed to the
Zodiac case, the way that they scanned them in, now
you can you can look at the the reports and
the different communications going back and forth between law enforcement,
(13:02):
and they're scanned in they look absolutely normal. There's nothing
messed up, deranged, or altered about them. But if you
look at the actual communications, they have truncated them, squosed
them down like they have done. I said, squos this
is a word, at least for me, guys. But they
(13:22):
warped the communications so badly that it would be almost
impossible for anybody investigating the case today to know what
that handwriting looked truly like. So it wasn't just the
fact that they scanned it in at such a low
resolution and DPI that it literally you know, truncated or
compacted it. I mean it literally warped it. If I
(13:44):
showed you side by side, and I believe I've done
this in the past, where I've showed individuals what the
actual communication looked like in comparison to what was scanned
into the FOIA files, you see that drastic difference. And
I think that that's not inadvertent, that's definitely on purpose.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
I really do think, because this is the same it's
the same concept in the Adam Walsh case. Ftile this
clear and then it's like crap.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Right, and this one it looks clear, and thing's warped
about it whatsoever. It doesn't look like it's been squished
or truncated like it. It looks absolutely normal. So why
the zodiac communications do not is really kind of baffling.
Now that takes me to this letter, which we didn't
make it to because I honestly can't read this thing.
You said, this was an extremely interesting letter from John Stack,
(14:34):
and I don't have a clue what it says. Who's Yeah,
tell us what you.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Said, John? He said, who's John Stack? She means.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Right, it's no, this is a letter you sent me
from a John P. Stack. And you said, this is
an interesting letter from John Stack.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Yeah he was. He was the man on Unsolved Mysteries. Yes,
and he was from California and their studio and everything
was in California.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Oh so you mean he was what the commentator on,
you know, the guy that.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Used to have the coat on Unsolved Mysteries, and.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
He'd be like today on Unsolved Mysteries was going to
be discussing by basis.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
John Walsh before John the John Walsh And because you
know you didn't, Unsolved Mysteries pretty much faded out and
went away.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
When America SMIs wanted came out right, and that my
thought was kind of significant. Why is he writing a
letter to write?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Okay, so like that famous guy that's on Forensic Files,
he's the voice over or the the person who talks
and commentates throughout the segment.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, but he actually it shows him.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
So if you if you remember a makrismas wondered how
John w Wash he walks up and has his hands
in his pockets and he's like today on Yeah, Like
it's like the same concept, but instead of the black jacket,
the black leather jacket and the jeans with John Walsh,
John Stack is wearing a long trench coat and it's
like they're usually like a it's like a gray or
(16:24):
sometimes it's like a light brown tan or beige, and
it's always like uh, like he always has his hands
in the pockets too on it and it's.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Like Loss copied him.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Literally if you go if you just pull up little
clips like the later on Today or something, and you
see what I'm talking about, and I'm like and you're like,
what is going on here?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Like what?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
So do you know what the contents of the letter
was that made it so interesting or is it just interesting?
That it came from an individual who was on Unsolved Mysteries.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Oh he was the man. He was the John Walsh
back before the John Walsh.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, no, no, But what I'm saying is is you stated
that the letter was interesting. I'm trying to determine why
it was interesting to you. Were you able to read it?
Do you know what the contents of the letter said.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
I couldn't read the middle part. It was just saying
how they might have had information about another case that
was in California that may be connected, because there's a
lot of stuff like that in there where it's like,
I mean, people from all over the United States would
contact the police station and say, hey, we have a
similar case here, blah blah blah, we might have some
(17:44):
information for you, or we might connect something like that.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I think it was that kind of deal. So yeah,
all right, well then that.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Makes sense saying that, you know, he's out of California,
and while I look and when I look that address
up that actually was his address where he was living,
and everything so got and then the way he was
on the show, on his show, and then the way
John it was just like very strange.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
It looks like someone intentionally almost redacted significant portions of
it to conceal what it really contains, because you can't
read most of it.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
His signature is nice and strong, so why the rest of.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
The top is readable the first paragraph, but after that
it gets tough to read.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, yeah, I mean completely missing portions altogether. This was
never meant to be.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
And if you think about, like, okay, a type letter
should be the easiest thing to scan in and to
show up clearly.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
All of their.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
All of their file requests, all their reports, all of
their law enforcement things back and forth to each other,
are a very nice and strong and they're all type
written as well.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Mm hmm yeah yeah within like yeah, so it's no
excuse for that, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
No, no, unless this was a carbon copy set in
threes just like the zodiac did.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I mean it could be, but at all, because but
they were cop they were scanned in like in ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I think, well, even even the Sherry Joe confession letter,
which was type written, was indicated to have been on
carbon copy. So he put in what I think they
thought was at least three pieces of paper and two
pieces of carbon And then this letter evidently was sent
to either more than one location, or he chose the
(19:43):
one in the center that was definitely just made out
of the carbon portion rather than the actual type print
in order to submit his message. Either way, it it
was scanned in at a resolution that was much better
and it was readable unlike this letter. All right, well
we now know why this one was interesting. That's going
(20:06):
to actually take us back to the murders, to what's
going on with Jack. Now, we have a murder in Austin,
Texas on December sixth of nineteen ninety one that I
thought was completely up the alley of the Zodiac Killer.
And what I do know, though I don't know the
precise date, is that this is really the time frame
(20:27):
in which Nora and Jack split again. So I like
to remind everybody that we start to see things pick up.
Jack is back in Texas. Whenever there's a split or
a breakup for Jack, whether it's with previous wives or
with Nora, we start to see things going on once again,
and murders seem to ramp up, ramp up communications, just
(20:49):
as we've seen in these nineteen ninety one communications coming out,
and we know that Jack is going to be I'm
going to show you that he's back in Texas at
least by February, if not by January. So we have
this murder and it's called the Yogurt Shop murders in Austin, Texas.
Thirteen year old Amy Ayre's, seventeen year old Jennifer Harbison,
fifteen year old Sarah Harbison, and seventeen year old Eliza
(21:12):
Thomas were killed in this. In this murder spree, cops
believed that it was shortly after midnight that it occurred.
They were all tied to gather, bound and gagged with
their own clothes. They were shot in the back of
the head, execution style, and three girls were stacked on
top of each other. This was really reminiscent to me
to the South Carolina murder in nineteen forty three, the
(21:35):
Lake Bottom murders that were obviously in another country, but
it was a campsite, and then the place after they
were stacked on top of each other, they were set
on fire. So we have the arson aspect as well.
So we have by gun, we have by knife, we
have basically by rope, even though it was his their
clothes that were used. Right either way, it kind of
(21:57):
ticked off all of those boxes, and we know that
Jack has left Nora, though we're not exactly sure of
the timeframe. December twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, we see
a murder back in Fairfield, California, of Amanda and Nicole
Eileen Campbell. Her bike is found in a field. A
lot of these child abductions and murders, we literally find
(22:19):
a bicycle that's been posted up somewhere close by, left behind,
in some cases stacked on top of the bodies. Either way,
it's almost like when we have these couples murders where
the cars go missing and are found some you know,
short distance or miles away to the same token. It
is very reminiscent, and that brings.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
So I found so real quick time later I found
a whenever I first found that letter from John Stack,
I forgot that I had took it and put it
in my software and made it like blew it up
to where and made it more contrasted so I could
read it.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
And I just found that piece.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
So are you able to read any portion of it?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, yep, it read it. My name is John Stack.
How are you doing.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I've seen your story twice and as a single parent
of a ten year old boy.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I'm very scared and very angry.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Your statement about not understanding the priorities of this country
when and when it comes to the protection of our
children rather surprise me. If you look at history world, abuse,
mayhem and exploitation of children is nothing new.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
In Scotland. Something something.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Mothers had days to take their babies' whole minds and
drove and broke their backs drying trying to take enough
money to feed them benefits. This country had to pass
child labor laws to stop the brutal exploitation of children.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Okay, we're about to get the good one.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
There it has.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
There has down a felony complaints arrest weren't issued for
any for something ex wife for years to provide child support.
The DA just informed me that the collection of child
support has been very has been very a priority and
(24:23):
nothing new to him for the parent court.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Blah blah blah. I'm trying to just skip down. Okay,
here we go.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
So you know, the FBI has plenty of this information
and all and all the money they need to run
this sting operation to entrap some rotten congress that we
all know are a part of the system. Any Aren't
(24:53):
they running sting operations to find out what's happening to
the fifty thousand children that are go missing each year
in this country, never to be seen again. His answer
will be, there's no money, there's no persistence in it
(25:14):
for them. I've written a very hard hitting documentary film
proposal about this subject.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Instantly.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
No one has seen it, nor I have had the
time to shop for production money or had time something.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
It also suggests, in basic detail.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
How there can be a new protection system designed and
developed for children.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
If you feel you.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Have the time and avenues to secure the needed funds,
I would be happy to send you the proposal upon
written requests. It should be produced and distributed asap. He
wrote that out in put dots you can see hot
Congressmen dor Nan spends our time sincerely yours John's deck
(26:02):
or John B's deck.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So he's right. So he is basically touching on the
child trafficking ring, the involvement of politicians, just short of
actually indicating that there's mob involvement, which I'm pretty sure
that that's where it all emanates from. I mean, I
don't believe that those in politics are running the illegal
(26:26):
rings they're just participating in it and facilitating. Right, they're funding,
allowing me, they're allowing it. I just watched the plight
on the steps of Well it was in Washington, d C.
By the victims of the Epstein case, and it just
dawned on me. I mean, I'm not going to say
(26:46):
dawned on me as much as instilled my thoughts that
Trump is not going to release this Epstein file. It
implicates him. It implicates just so many different political people,
high influential, rich, well individuals.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
I don't think I don't think that they're allowing him
to I think that, but he's in it.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
He's in it. I mean, let's let's let's be real, right,
he's part of it. So there's there's a reason for
him not to and join that band. So it's unfortunate.
But watching that just really made me, you know, realize
that we've got people who are standing here saying I
was abused by the Prince of England. I was abused
(27:28):
by political people, by rich people, and nobody.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
A secret guy what was his name?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Uh him exactly. So to know that this is going
on and the public is no more outraged than they are,
and they're just going to turn their heads and look
the other way. And then we've got these individuals that
are out here that are you know, maybe they're Democrats
that are hating on people who got Trump into office,
(27:58):
not actually realizing or wanting to rationalize that every person
that they back and believe that should be in office
are part of this ring and the separate to you know,
separating state from church. And we've got this the family
with the prayer breakfast, which you can see Trump as
part of. You can see all the presidents all the
way back. We're part of. These world leaders are part of.
(28:22):
And and then I was told that I think recently
and maybe Nolan you might know a little bit about this,
they're trying to overturn the precedence that allows same sex
marriage in the United States. Have you been aware of this?
Speaker 4 (28:37):
But yeah, there's a movement and Trump and his people
are all want to abolish it. Basically, right, why do
you have to get in people's bedrooms or right, that's
their own choice, you know.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
And have you not have you not heard that proposal
from from Pam Bondi, that proposal about not letting extremist, uh,
you know, the shooter that that shooter guy. I've kind
of just put it to the side and the whole thing. Yeah,
well I've heard business pieces about him, but apparently he's
(29:13):
a trans or something. And uh, they're trying to have
those type of people uh banned from owning guns uh
and and or having them in they're in their possession.
It's like, so that leads me to think that, Okay, well.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
We don't need to do that.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
We don't need to do that to anyone, because that's
just leading up to more people. Okay, well, if they
have mental mental issues, then that means that they can
take this law that they're trying to propose and put
it on somebody else that has mental issues, that that
does need a gun and protect for their protection for
whatever you know, or there whatever it is, and then
(29:57):
it's gonna be got something else. It's gonna just keep
going and then eventually like no one's going to have one.
So that just need that that needs it doesn't need
to be against anyone.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Okay, I got I got two statements, and I'm hoping
that I can keep them both in track. So when
we go back to the Netflix documentary on the Family,
which talks about the prayer, breakfast and the induction of
all these world leaders. We see that co the guy
behind the scenes that's been seen with all the presidents
all the way back to Roosevelt. Uh. He has literally
once he gets these countries leaders on board, he then
(30:29):
times to manipulate their different laws and standards and things.
And in one of the countries, they were literally trying
to get same sex marriage overturned. It failed in that country,
But the documentary itself talked a lot about the integration
of state and their desires to have things ran the
way they believe, and that includes changing laws in other countries,
(30:51):
and now we're about to see that happen in our
own country. Second note on this, on this gentleman that
had mental issues, yes, I don't believe that you should
have If you truly have mental issues without medications, you
probably should not own a gun because we don't know
what you're going to do. We don't know when you're
going to snap. And of the twenty three shootings, this
(31:12):
was some information given to me, at least from two
different avenues. I was told in one case, twenty one
of the twenty three shootings were mentally ill people who
were on psychotropic drugs. So basically, if you've already got
mental issues and your brain isn't working correctly, can you
imagine throwing a chemical at it that may not agree
(31:33):
with your system in general? And so if and then
another individual indicated they read that all twenty three were
on ps psychotropic drugs. So if you have mental issues,
if you were on these type of drugs and you
fail to take them, let's say they are working and
they're not messing you up, if you fail to take them,
as many do, then you're bound to spiral back down
(31:55):
into that bad behavior of those bad thoughts and then
commit these crimes out getting rid of these drugs. How
about working on the person's real issues rather than throwing
chemicals at them that cause even more issues. There's my
two cents.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Okay, I just a little sight on that. It's it's
a full moon last couple of days. And I never
said I drive on the freeways all the time in
Sacramento area, and I can tell when it's a full moon,
not even by looking at the moon, by the way
people drive, because because the moon affects a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
And there's a song about that too, the freaks come
out at night.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
A speed they drive like lunatics. Yesterday, tomorrow, it's going
to be terrible. So just be careful, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And three Rex this morning.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Three I truly, I truly believe that what you eat
and you put in your body can have an extreme
effect done your hormones on your the chemical makeup of
your body. And what if just some of these foods
were being fed, or some of these foods that were
being allowed to buy in our grocery stores have just
enough chemicals or hormones or pesticides or other things in
(33:17):
them to cause these type of mental issues in people.
We need to start starting. We need to start with
the basis of what we eat and put into our
body and see how that affects everything else. Because we
do know that there are particular foods and chemicals and
preservatives and other things that absolutely affect the hormones which
will affect the chemical makeup of your brain in individuals
(33:39):
as young as seven and eight year olds who are
going into puberty well before they should be. So just
to note, let's look at what we're eating making money.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
They know, they already know.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, all right, So back to our murders. Well, we
now have Jack, it was going on? What was really
going on? Now back to Jack, We actually have Jack
in Texas. Now, this is the first documented picture I
have of him back in Texas. It's February sixth, nineteen
(34:16):
ninety two. Jack's birthday at his mom's in Texas. Would
confirm that he is now living separate and apart from Nora,
as indicated by the next entry of her address during
this time. Also receipts for an Azuzu pickup truck sold
with the address in Dale, Texas from two ninety two
through twelve ninety two, as we see for Jack for
some time to come. So, Dale, Texas is approximately thirty
(34:36):
six miles from Austin, Texas, where the yogurt shop murders occurred. This, again,
is that proximity in which case I had indicated in
the past that the Zodiac held anywhere from half an
hour up to two hours away from home, maybe another
hour off in another direction to dump the body, but
always within that proximity. So we know that Jack has
(34:57):
purchased this property for flow in Texas, which may or
may not be his property with his name on it.
But I know his mother resided there until she passed
and I want to say that was the ninety six
ninety seven. We'll be getting to that soon. But you
can see these receipts down here at the bottom. He's
definitely giving the Shady Oaks a dress, which all makes
(35:18):
it makes sense when I say we need to be
looking at Jack and the zodiac for those yogurt shop murders.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
Well, and that's whenever almost like.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold, hold on, hold
on one second, guys, let me go back, no one
go what'd you say? The picture on the left is
actually flover This is Flova on the left, and then
on the right over here is Jack sitting here eating
(35:49):
his birthdake care and this is Red and and he literally,
in one of his letters to Red said he was
going to have to come there and basically put him
down or shut him up like a dog, basically if
he didn't do what Jack was telling him to do.
I don't know if we've gotten to that letter yet,
right like, don't make me have to come there and
(36:10):
fly a red flag, he said. I think that was
the words. All right, now, go ahead, I'm sorry, Lindsay.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
She's gonna say.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
This is kind of like the timeframe where everything kind
of hypes up again, that serial killer error and all that,
all the craziness kind of starts happening all of a
sudden again. You know how he slows down and then
he picks it back up. Well, we see that in
these years again. And also I've seen in the case
file that there's a lot of stuff that hypes up
(36:40):
in those years as well that are in the case
files about crazy stuff that is in their random things
are put in there. And and He's and then John's
getting all these letters like back to back from all
these different people about all these crazy, you know things,
And it just says.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Well, but by this time he's on America's Most Wanted, right,
Uh So he may very well be getting the crazy
letters because now he's in the eye of the public.
He is a celebrity, and he's trying to solve crimes, right,
So he may be getting a lot of craziness in
regards to it. But I always find it interesting that
(37:15):
whenever Jack is in the middle of a separation, a
divorce or a split or whatever it is that he's
got going on, trouble with the law, trouble with his
step son and the law, we start to see things
happen zodiac esque like murders in Texas. And we know
that Jack is often back and forth to Texas, but
we're going to see him here in Texas at least
(37:36):
for a good solid year. So anything that's happening in Texas,
I highly suggest we need to be looking at or
maybe even the affiliation to or acquaintances of these other
individuals that have been considered prime suspects for some of
these crimes, which we're going to talk about a couple
more here. On April eighth of nineteen eighty two, Robin
(37:58):
Fuldaur and it says Indianapolis shoe store clerk, which is
considered one of the I seventy murders, dies. On April
eleventh of nineteen ninety two, we have Patricia Maggers Patricia Smith, Whichita,
Kansas bridal shop shot after being pushed into the back room.
It's another I seventy murder. They let a witness go
(38:20):
after being seen, which was strange, and it happens to
be a male customer. And we know that there was
overkill on the females versus the males in the Zodiac stuff.
So I had notated myself that I wanted to research
the I seventy murders. Nora left Jack this particular year,
so we know he's free to do whatever he wants
to do. Also, research the activity compared to each time
(38:42):
they break up and divorce and get back together, which
I just discussed a little bit. We see the activity
pick up and we see it slow down when he
has a job. We see the communications kind of go
to the wayside, and the murders maybe go to the wayside.
But then we start to see it ramp back up
and pit back up whenever something bad is going on
in Jack's life. On April sixteenth of nineteen ninety two,
(39:03):
we had the murder of a Hispanic Maria Carmen dell Strata.
Now this one was attributed to Anthony Allen Shore, so
I paid a little bit of attention to the fact
that there is a reference to a partner named Alan
in the Oakland County child murders the same spelling even
and he's considered to be a tourniquet killer, uses a
toothbrush or a bamboo stick in the tourniquet with a
(39:25):
special knot, which really kind of drove me into the
John Benny Ramsey stuff. Because yeah, she's just about to
say that. And then in Tim Miller's letters, we know
that the author is claiming that there was someone else
out there killing too Oriental and Hispanics, but not Zodiac Jack,
(39:45):
because he's very aware of the individual who is doing this.
He wants to make sure that Tim Miller understands that
there's other people out there also killing at the same time,
and almost to the degree that he even knows them.
I mean, the way he makes it sound is like
he has some whole knowledge or at least he's able
to say, please, don't attribute these to me. And that's
very zodiac asque and it brings me back to when
(40:11):
the Zodiac was talking about the BTK bomber Kazinski that
I didn't bomb that cop on the police station steps.
Don't look at me for that. If you guys thought
I was going to set a bomb off your nuts,
he really just used it as a tactic to keep
them busy. And I guess Anthony Allen Shore's victims are
primarily Hispanic So this was brought into the display because
(40:36):
Jack recognized this killer in the two thousand and five
confession letter to Tim Miller. I believe he may have
been an acquaintance of this individual, and this may be
who we are looking for in the John Bennet Ramsey
case where Jack wrote the ransom note and the very
unique tournique that was found on John Bennet may have
been the work of Shore or somebody who was familiar
with it and repeated or copycatidate. Either way, I've always
(40:58):
been kind of convinced that they're a possibility that the
DNA is not going to match fingerprints, that's not going
to match the handwriting. So the confusion will carry and
continue on forever in regards to John Denny Ramsay, because
if they found somebody where the DNA matched, it's likely
the handwriting won't and fingerprints and so on and so
forth on down the line.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Quick question, Yes, Maria Carman della Strata, where was she killed?
This is in Texas, tex I figured tex Was it
near the border?
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I don't know. I think you're we have thinking the
same thought.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
I think because at that time period there were a
lot about killings in northern Mexico near Waters, the City
Waters and al Paso, and some of the United States,
some in Mexico, most of them in Mexico, but there
was a ring and a long Mexican law enforcement was involved,
and there's a productions and killings of young young Mexican girls.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Some more trafficking, more human trafficking.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
Well, and the thing that he's talking about is all
was also this ring was associated with Honest Tool and
the cult that he was in as well.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Yes, there's cult connections and a lot of it goes
back to what they call the Machilodoras, the United States
factories in northern Mexico that hired cheap Mexican labor.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Have you heard of.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
So have you heard the cold call it the hand
of death?
Speaker 4 (42:32):
I have, I've probably heard of it, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Not Yeah, and it's not it's not any it's not
anything I cover in this presentation. Unfortunately. I do know
that there is a relation though with Mexico in a
ranch that the CIA would post people up who were
under indictment or suspicion for that's a lot of tax evasion. Okay, Oh,
that's the one you're talking about for the hand of Dad.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Oh, okay, So maybe there is a connection I'm not
aware of, but we do know that they would often
hide mob politician, anybody who was under indictment that they
needed to get out of the country. I think if
they didn't kill you or your kids to shut you up,
they scurried you out to another location where you couldn't
be questioned because you would ultimately probably pop the can
(43:18):
on everybody, kind of like Epstein.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
I'll get my notebook out and I'll take a picture
of my notes from that from whenever I was saying that, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, I did not know that was a cult. I
just thought that that was kind of a CIA operation, Yes, yeah,
And I didn't really find the cult. I think it
was Louise Louis if if I'm correct, it was a
Her last name was Spangler. She worked for one of
(43:53):
the big big nightclubs in the LA area, and she
had gone missing, and the Black Dahlia author had written
a postcard that was from that particular joint, and then
they had indicated that she was with another person, either
a member of the CIA or the Mob, and the
(44:14):
two of them had been seen. They had been seen
after we'ds after we were told she had gone missing.
Body is never surfaced of this individual, and that there
was potential for them to have been flown to Mexico
to keep them quiet basically in regards to some indictment
that they were under. So I didn't recognize it to
(44:35):
be a cult as much as I recognized it to
be a system within the system to ensure that these
people never testify because others would end up in trouble
over it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Anyways, A click note on the whole satanical thing. In
the Maury Terry book the journalists that wrote about the
So Sam murders, he alleges that they're different centers, mainly
New York, but also Houston, Texas in l A and
then min not or men. I think it's North Dakota
(45:10):
or South Dakota. It's one of the Dakota's for centers
of uh Satanic cold activities and Houston is one of them.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
So anyway, Wow, it was called Metamorris Ranch.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Metamoros Okay, Yeah, Martha Morros.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Okay, now you you made a comment here on the
studio chat, Lindsay in regards to the Walsh fighting against
the release of Outam Walsh's files. Even that was one
of the things.
Speaker 5 (45:44):
I'll put that in there because that when we're since
we're coming up on the on the on then on
the mid nineties.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Uh, that was in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Six where they literally went to court and tried to
fight against fight against them being released.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
That's insane, That makes absolutely no sense, no sense.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
You supposedly don't know who killed your son, beheaded him,
no less mm hmm, and you want to fight against
the release of that information which could help solve the.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Case someone coming forward.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
The only thing I can read it that is that
you don't want your information, the things that might lead
back to your nefarious deeds released, because ultimately speaking, they
dug up I'm sure a lot of information. Oh yeah,
probably the same reason why he didn't want the FBI
to assist and hoping that in that particular.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
Yep, and then hired his own uh retired uh not
FBI retired police agent from Miami to uh come in
because oh he was a good friend and got him
to solve the case after that, but.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
They didn't solve the case.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
A right.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah, that's just a little bit too too, too crazy,
too strange. How do you promote a show working with
the FBI trying to solve cases when you fight to
keep yours from getting saltd you fight from having the
very individuals that you now work with involved in it.
That's it's too shady, it's too strange for me.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
That's why I'm like digging, just keep I just keep digging,
and I just keep.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
On Fox.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yep, yes, I guess your own Fox.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Yeah yeah, anyway, Yeah, I just I had a hunch.
I never really watched show I was airt.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
But so carrying on with Jack, at this point, we
have more more instances of him being in Texas, and
this is April nineteenth of nineteen ninety two. As I
had stated in the past, there are plenty of times
we've seen Jack in Texas, visiting Mom on Easter. It
(48:12):
must be something particular, but we know he is literally
living here at this point. It says April nineteenth, nineteen
ninety two, Jack is at a family gathering for Easter,
and there's no sign of Nora or Charles in these pictures,
so it's clearly Jack here. Loane, there are pictures of
Flova's new house on Shady Oaks and Chubb's place in
Sagein Now I'm a little confused because we read some
(48:35):
time ago what was supposed to be the eulogy for
Chubbs for Jack's or maybe Chubbs is Jack's uncle. I'm
trying to determine whether I had the right one. But
it's said that Dawn had written the eulogy for his brother,
and so now I'm even more I'm confused. I'm gonna
(48:55):
have to go back and cross reference to see if
Chuck or Charles is than Chubbs, and maybe one is
an uncle, and maybe I have misstated some of the
family dynamics here because Chubbs I believe is Jack's brother
and he is still living in Texas at this time,
So that pretty much I'm going to stop there. We'll
(49:15):
pick back up on this next murder and other information
that we have about Jack in the Texas area at
that time. Is there anything you guys want to add
last minute?
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Be careful out there.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
It's a full man. Yeah, it said the seventh. There's
supposed to be some type of I think eclipse. Again,
I don't know what it knows about these things. It
was showing this bright red blood moon. Yeah, that would
be even worse. Well, thank you Lindsey for being here,
Thank you Nolan. Everybody have a great weekend, and we
(49:50):
will see you next Friday.
Speaker 4 (49:53):
See your Friday not sooner
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Do you think do
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