May 23, 2025 • 50 mins
YouTube comments where another research and code solver has shared their thoughts on what they have found. It runs in tandem with much of what I have covered as far as the military, mob, CIA, FBI, politics, and media. Another communication sent in regards to the murder of Tim Miller’s daughter Laura Miller, and I believe that it is the work of the Zodiac Killer.
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
I'd like to welcome to the show today, Harriet Souchet,
Good morning, mid morning, and Nolan del Campo, if you're
done with your dog, good morning. Oh here we go,
(01:15):
stepping back into the Zodiac. I'm so happy to be
back after that wrongful conviction case. I'm still waiting on
some final answers that we'll do some follow up at
some point in time once those come in, but I'm
gonna hit right back into the YouTube. Comments by miss Vanerak.
We started with her last week talking about all the
(01:35):
Livelong Day as part of the lyrics of a creepy
stocky song called the Eyes of Texas, which is another
Texas relation. I think that Harriet and I and we
have studied these communications for so long, and there are
many barrels of fun. There's fiddle fart around, there's can
you think of any more of those key phrases that
are one of them?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Was?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I think fiddle fart around was actually originated in Lubbock, Texas,
and that's where Jack was born.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I had who said that too all the time, and
they were from the South. They were born in Texas.
That's right.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Never mind, And what did you say?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yours is a dragon?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Your ass? You think that's a Texas reference?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
It's Southwestern?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Ye with your ass is a dragon?
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Yeah, And I tattooed that on my leg. Your ass
is a dragon?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Anyways, and his man Rack actually went out of her
way in one or in the two weeks we were
off for the wrongful conviction of Peter Wilson, and had
sent me several messages.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
I did respond to her.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I've not heard back from her as well, but I
did tell her that I would address these particular comments
on the show because I think they're thought provoking and
I'm always up for additional perceptions and thoughts and theories.
So this is a next one, and it says and
this is right up your alley, Harriet, he says, I
think the ciphers begin with black Dahlia, or she was
(03:13):
mutilated in such a way as to convey the message
that there were ciphers. The cut on her tummy from
belly button down to the pubic bone was how Scyrian
sections were done in those days. Usually the horizontal cut
used nowadays only came into common when with used with
the advent of bikinis and women wanting their scar hidden
on the beach. A Caesar solve is a type of cipher,
(03:35):
and I've tried some with the key line being the
murder or abduction location, and have got some pretty interesting results.
I've found consistent references to the film industry, and from
there further visual clues and hints about who in the
industry is into Satanism. It's rife then as now. Also
possibly back at the source is the nineteen thirty one
(03:58):
German film called m about a serial killer of little girls,
produced by another Roman emperor, Nero Films. So many fled
Germany at the start of World War Two and came
to America or UK. Now, Harriet, I thought you were
gonna have all kinds of stuff to say about this.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, there's actually.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Hold on, Harry, Harriet, Harriet, hold on one second, Go ahead, Nolan.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I think M is directed by Fritz Lang, a famous
German film director.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Gotcha.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I have no idea what she's talking about, and I
couldn't even begin to google just M to figure that out.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
But go ahead, Harriet.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Well, what I was going to say, this is actually
segueing in a weird way into how the evidence tells
the story, and this person is pretty much right. That's
where I started cutting my teeth literally on the cipher's
stuff was how Elizabeth Short was. Her feet were pointing
(04:58):
to the north, remember right, her hands were pointing a
certain way. Yes, there was a cut on the belly
alluding to a cesarean. I got a saw that says
that George Hodell had given her a cesarean and took
the baby out a few days prior. Anyways, So this
(05:19):
is it. This is the evidence is telling a story,
and it is in code.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
So let me get this straight.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Obviously, she wasn't known to be pregnant, so she would
have been in early stages if she was, And what
would their purpose because back in the nineteen forties, it's
not like they had DNA and could have tested the fetus.
My thought is is nowadays you would take that fetus
because you didn't want it to tie back to maybe
some corrupt official that got her pregnant and it had
her killed because she didn't want it being outed. But
(05:49):
back in the nineteen forties, it's not like you had
that type of DNA resource to be able to determine
who that baby belonged to.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Right, this I think is true.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
But if I remember right, and I no longer see
him online. Sorry, as George Odell's son would tried to
claim that his father, Yeah, he said that there was
some testing done in the house, the stolen house, I
remember the name. But they found some sense of like
(06:26):
a small body was buried there, like like a fetus
or something alluding to that. So anyways, uh, and I
got a whole bunch of salts there talking about that,
that weird house. But but again it goes back to
what this person is saying. It is code. I've seen
it in future things. How somebody was laid out, a
(06:48):
shirt was next to them there, a ring was laid
next to them that they probably didn't know everything and code,
So so they're actually pretty much right. It's code is
a site.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Well you you actually believe that this code existed well
before Black Dahlia though, right, you're saying, yea, even in
the eighteen hundreds or earlier.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, that's when I'm finding out when I'm stuck in
eighteen eighty eight. Now, because I wanted to do it.
I was running. I ran out of the stuff to
decode for Jack, so I got stuck.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well let me give you more.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, let's see, because that's how I got it, and
when I'm finding out, Yeah, they were using a very
the sync system of how something was laid out. Something
was put on an envelope without a stamp, like Dahlio.
I think we have some envelopes or a postcard without
a stamp, you know. I think it was notorious.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
He was notorious for either over postaging or not using
any postage at all. So yeah, in both cases, All right,
onto her next one. Then, well, let me see if
there was any thing I wanted to say about that reference. Well,
we know that there's references to the film industry. A
lot of the Zodiac communications either allude to, you know,
(08:10):
Japanese movies or different films like The bad Lands. In
one of his communications, he's constantly hitting at the media. Yeah,
most dangerous game. Yeah, I mean it's just over and
over again. I couldn't throw a stick at this case
and not hit either. A reference to a book, a
passage to a book, magazines like dB Cooper that he
(08:34):
used cutouts from the Playboy magazine.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
So there's always something that's going back to the media here.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, the Charlie chan film that was filmed at Treasure.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Island, right right, over and over again. We're going to
see that, those references and everything. Her next comment is,
I think the arrows on the grime sister shed writing
is the outline of a constellation. Let me correct that.
The for the listeners is that it wasn't on the shed.
It was on a two by four that was found
on a shed at a at or near a park
(09:04):
area nearby. I mean at least within probably a mile
or so of where the girls were killed. And this
was again two girls that were abducted. They were on
their way I believe, to an Elvis Presley.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Event. I want to say they kind of basically ran away.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
They were supposed to go to the movies, but then
they left town to head to this event and were
kidnapped and then ultimately killed. And this two by four
that was found in a shed nearby had some markings
on it which included arrows. Now, I heavily talk about
the arrows that are being used in the zodiac communications,
because there was always an arrow drawing somewhere. And this
goes all the way back to Black Dahlia. We saw
(09:42):
when he when he said that Armando, I think Armando Robliss.
I don't know if I'm saying his name correct. I
know it's Armando, but he had knocked him out, basically
stole his wallet, and then had photocopied his picture, and
he wrote next and I saw my very first era
in these particular communications. So it goes back pretty far
(10:04):
with the arrows. So she says she thinks that the
writing is the outline of a constellation.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Does she have an idea what constellation would be?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
No, but everybody wants to.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Stuff is.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Well, and I would I should have.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I should have kind of pulled out the actual image
that she's talking about to show the two by four.
I have no clue how she's acclimated this to any
type of a constellation because it's written there are words
like please and and stop or something like that. Me
and then these arrows are drawn, but they're on a
two by four that's elongated, So I don't know how
that makes a constellation at all in her mind. I
(10:53):
did ask her to share this stuff with me, to
email me to you know, let's talk about whatever your
thoughts and theories, and you're so and I'd be willing
to have you on the show. But I never heard
back from her, So I'm at a loss as to
how to answer what her perception is.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I just know that when I look at those arrows on.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
That too by four, to me, they don't represent a
constellation based on where they're placed on the board, she says,
hence it being at various angles depending on the time
of year and global viewpoint. And I think everybody wants
to tie this back to the Zodiac constellation, the Zodiac
system in constellation terms or horoscope terms, but I just
(11:32):
I don't really see that being the vice we've discussed
before that Jack was a rancher, he was born on
a farm that he knew the farmer's almanac, which is
all your solstices, when winter's coming, when it's safe to plant,
all of these different timeframes that also revolved around this
constellation idea.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
It says, let's see.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Hence it being at various angles depending on the time
of year and global viewpoint. Lots of constellations have gone
out out of common usage. They use the be on Me,
which is a constellation above Aris, and I was born
under the sign of Ares. Balance on the drawings with
the Jenny Lynn Pooky letter are also a heart shaped
constellation on that angle, the constellation of Dorado. I don't
(12:20):
really know my constellations to be able to speak about this,
but I feel like the Pooky letter. Do you know
anything about that communication.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I'm gonna have to look that up.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
But there's your next station.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Okay, I think I've seen something many many years ago. Okay, Jack,
where he when he was born, the time he was
born and that part of Texas, These constellations were going
over him as almost as if in code, is trying
to say, I'm this guy who was born under these constellations.
(12:54):
I'm trying to remember what that was. And then you
at Dorado. Derondo is a place in Colorado. I think,
so he's got some big Colorado connections. We know that well.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And at one point in time Jack had purchased a
portion of acreage up in the El Dorado area, the
only Dorado, the only Dorado I know of. But yes,
he had property up there. And that's the party in
which Dennis actually had them go out with ground images
found human bones that they did not.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
For a moment. Let's see, we're gonna have some background noise.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Okay, you don't have to go through all that. You
can just do it all right, onto the next one.
So miss van rak her next comment is glad to
hear someone else expressing frustration about self appointed experts controlling,
containing and ultimately stagnating progress. This needs to be solved
(13:56):
because it is so much more than five murders in
California in the late nineteen sixties. It announced its arrival
in the UK to the general public in the first
ever episode of BBC Crime Watch in June nineteen eighty
four on yt and the Murder of Collette Aram, complete
with cipher confession letter from the perpetrator. Now, I'm not
(14:16):
sure who this individual is. I've not heard the name
Collette Aram, but it sounds to me like this may
be why they keep I see people from the UK
trying to tie back and forth this zodiac reference. We
talked about the oh gosh, what was the murders in
the lover Lanes in in Sweden? Right, and I stated
(14:40):
Italy Italy? Okay, Well, I had stated that I didn't
believe Jack was a part of them, but that the
group possibly could be. Now you're starting to see where
they are putting together things that are happening in the
UK and coinciding that with zodiac mischief basically, so it
(15:00):
is likely that this group is all around the world,
and I would connect.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So it's global. It's been global. I'm finding it since
eighteen eighty eight for sure. Anyway, gotcha, but you brought
up about the Italy connection. Let me say something really quick.
What I found out by those lovers Lane murders. They
all have names with shoe companies, some of them very expensive,
and the last one did own a shoe store in Europe.
(15:28):
So there's a connection right there. So anyways, well, how
is the shoe store connection. I don't understand. That person
was also murdered, but was quite I think quite wealthy,
kind of like a Beverly Hills type shoe store, but
in Europe, and I'm like, there's something, there's something there
(15:50):
and has something to do with with the fashion industry
and a very expensive shoes and all those names all
have something to do with shoes.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Anyways, one might have to revisit that at some point
in time. Well, Mssvanat goes on in her next comment
to say, I think Disney is pivotal.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I think you're right, Ms Vannerak.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I've found a lot of relation to Disney throughout this
progress and time frame. It says after his first success
in the nineteen thirties, he investigated big time in Texan
or he invested big time in Texan oil drilling. So
basically she's indicating what Walt Disney has expanded into oil,
(16:30):
and we know that oil.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Is a big theme around all of this.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
In fact, our next murder that's going to be coming up,
we're going to talk about how that father of the
murdered victim believes that somebody from the oil industry was
involved with his daughter's death. So it says father Irish,
hence the connection to horse racing, and his mother half
English and half German. He was big in Germany even
pre war Mickey Mouse is in the background in the
(16:56):
shops in the nineteen thirty one German Purvy Murders film
called m Oh We're back to Em Again. Nolan, have
you watched this movie?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I think when I was in my twenties at like
film school.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Yeah, they're saying that Mick.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Peter Lorri stars as the murderer.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Well, and she's saying that as early as nineteen thirty one,
Mickey Mouse was seen in the background of that particular flag.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Yeah, crazy, he says.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Hence, and of course hens is always that big word
with the John Benet Ramsey stuff. Hence, I think the
latter disputed type written list letter from Zodiac signed by Deferr.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
I haven't seen this.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
That letter is absolutely a part of it. And I
call it the Magic letter because the way the words
are arranged on the page sometimes produces images and sometimes
show the angle of refraction for invisibility. Keep it thumbnail
size and you will see different things on different viewings.
The silhouette image top left of the letter could be
Mickey Mouse, but the squiggles represent the etchings they put
(18:05):
on the glass prisms they use when creating a zone
of invisibility. The etched images can be picked up by
the camera, even old thirty five millimeter Also Colin Nag
entertainer from Germany whose partner fled to California at the
outset of World War Two. They specialized in disappearing things
on stage, even as big as a car. Bet Betty
(18:28):
lou Jensen, and Michael Renault mijeau LBJ.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I'm gonna I'm gonna think that.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
LBJ is Lyndon B. Johnson liked to be called Defer
in private with his cronies in the White House apparently,
so that is an interesting tie in.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yeah, what's that nothing? You don't joke?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You can't, you can't joke, and then giggle and then
tell me not and like that's keeping it suspense.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Must Yeah, I Betty did, Yeah, no, the Nazi now.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, interesting that she ties in Betty lou Jensen and
Michael Renault MIGEU. I mean Renault is a vehicle, right,
But I'm not quite sure where she's going with this.
I have more questions than answers afterwards. But I do
believe that you know that zone of invisibility that they're
talking about, the etched images that can be picked up
by the camera and the thirty five millimeter. I mean,
(19:40):
there's a lot of things in here that really piqued
my interest, and I'd like to know where she's going
with it.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Okay, So Renault was Mijau's mid lame.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
That's what she's indicating.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Interesting, Michael, Michael, we know Michael Renault.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Is that all fran Bench.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, it's a French name.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah, Yeah, was a Renault car French as well.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, we pronounced it in English Renault. But I believe
this Renault Renault.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
You go to these different countries as I found, and
they don't use half the letters of the alphabets that's
in the words. So I'm like, why are you wasting
the time and energy on writing them? If you don't
say them, why don't you write them phonically?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
All right?
Speaker 5 (20:29):
So miss van it wouldn't be frenched up.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Miss Vannarak goes on to say the description by Brian
Hartnell and Kathleen Johnson migeaux Stein's witnesses of dark curly
hair and dark framed glasses versus the deliberately blonde hair
and pale.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Framed glasses of the published guesses.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Immediately tells any inquiring mind that you have to wade
through bullshit to get to some truce. I do believe that,
but I have never seen the I've never seen a
description of dark rimmed glasses. I've never seen a description
of dark brown hair. It's been reddish brown, reddish blonde,
blonde gray. And I actually did, at one point in time,
(21:12):
put together all the sightings of the zodiac in one
display for one of these podcasts, and you can cross reference.
And of course, I mean anybody in a state of
trauma is going to see what they think they see
and repeating it. Sometimes they're not most reliable source as
an eyewitness.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
But the one that I hold true is police officer
that saw him in the video.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I'm going to tend to believe the description that that
officer gives because A he was not in the middle
of trauma. B he's trained to do these things to
I'll assess and look at people. So I think that
if they're attempting to change this for the purpose of
let's say, who is Tom Boyd's favorite Gaikowski, right, he
(21:55):
had the horn rimmed, dark glass, dark rained glasses. If
you're looking change the narrative to fit your suspect, and sure.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Go for it.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
But if you look back to one of my Power.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Our podcasts to see all of the different sightings and
what they witnessed and they viewed, you're gonna find that
the information she just gave there for me is again
it is bullshit. I mean, you have to wade through
that to find the truth. And that's why I compiled
all those different sightings so that we could make out
what part of that was literally the zodiac they were seeing.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
CD four four six.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
As I love all the authors, Zodiac Unmass, the true
identity of Zodiac, zodiac Solved, et cetera. If any of
those titles were true, the FBI would have closed the
case and signed off on their suspect.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
This hasn't happened.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I personally appreciate her for saying that, because that's what
we get year after year. I get phone calls from
friends and even Nolan has Nanette, did you see the
new Zodiac that they've got out? And they start out
with some headline like Zodiac identified right, and they blast
this all across the world as they've in many different
(23:01):
cases like Dupper Perez and her faulty suspect, and then
when they reach when they recant it, and there's something
by the FBI saying no, this is not closed, No,
this is not the person. It's this little tiny blurb
that actually gets out there to retract that particular press release,
and it doesn't go but barely right out of our area,
so it doesn't go around the world to say no.
(23:22):
And this leads everybody to believe, at one time or
another that there's a whole new suspect and they've solved
the case when they haven't. If they had, the FBI
would close it.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
They just need this true crime to keep going. It's
a moneymaker, yes it is. I well, can I say
one thing about the description of the curly hair et cetera. Oh, yeah,
I believe that's the one where there's the unnamed witnesses
at Lake Barry Essa that had the picture of the
(23:52):
person with darker hair, a little bit curly, spraguely looking
that Dennis had said that that's his step brother Denny.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
They didn't portray that image.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
They didn't portray that image with curly hair dark yes,
slicked back, yes, And they didn't portray or state curly.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
All I know is that's the person that I saw
when I was ten or eleven ish. And then when
I found out that's why, I said, I got to
support Dennis.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Person year, what year would you be? What year would
you be? Ten or eleven?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Nineteen seventy And it was at the bus stop for
the twenty four. And then then through his website said well,
they were living on Surrey Street in the neighborhood next
to yours and you would have to take the twenty four.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
So yeah, I definitely in the San Francisco area.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Okay, that's very interesting, all right, so miss Vannerack's next
one is the description by Brian Hartnell and Kathleen Johnson.
Oh wait a minute, uh, I already read that one.
Next one a student mortar board with a professor's gown
ranged over it.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
I have no idea what that means.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Mortarboard, professor's gown arranged over it. I think I don't
know if she's.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
An I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Again, and I asked these questions I don't get answers.
Ezra Cuba said, The laughing frenzy reminds me of Dennis's
photo of Jack, where he labels it becoming zodiac. Jack
seems to have gotten some sort of euphoria while killing.
The picture he's talking about is the picture of Jack
showing some Yeah, he looks like the image off of
(25:36):
the Halloween card that you know, arms displayed out, and
he has just gone to the neighbor's house and killed
the neighbor's dogs. And he comes back and he looks
like he is literally just on fire. His eyes are wide,
like he's probably on methamphetamines or something like that, because
he was known to have made, sold and dealt with
meth amphetamines during that time. He was probably high as
(25:58):
a kite and he was euphoric over having killed those dogs.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Wow. All right, right, bloodlust pretty much.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
And I guess I mean, if that's how you have
to get it, because you're not capable of running out
and killing any person at that point in time, You're
going to get it wherever you can. And we have
lots of instances of Jack killing family pets and obviously
neighbor's pets and things like that.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
So he just killed. He just killed. To kill.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Miss van Rack nineteen fifties Army code question mark. I
found the airs symbol being used as a capital T
in the military forms for Mary Jane van Glider during
the war years. She was applying for civilian work at
a military base. Mysterious WV channel, A cluster of crimes
in that area and another in Cleveland, Ohio, and something
(26:50):
about an airstrip, which I think is about David Ferry
and the jfk assassination.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Does anybody know what she's talking about?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Asp, Yeah, sport of.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
It says a cluster of crimes in that area and
another in Cleveland, Ohio, and something about an airstrip, which
I think is about David Ferry. And then she parentheses
jfk assassination.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Right, Ferry was involved in the jeffk assassination, and he
was a pilot and actually, uh Lee Harvey Oswald as
a teenager trained under David Ferry and civil air patrol,
I think for young kids, for like high school age kids,
(27:38):
Oswald joining the Marines.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Right, So.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Gotcha.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Now her next one is I couldn't follow his solution either.
And this is in response to Orange Shak solve with
the period nineteen ciphersolve of the three forty it was
a three forty, right, Yeah, because yeah, the three forty.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
I tried to.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Map out the three forty solved that Orangechak did, and
of course it did not map out in the way
he stated. You had to make many manipulations and changes
in order to get me a clear message, and some
words were just flat out inserted or changed altogether. I
did not find that it was reproducible by the means
(28:25):
that he states that it was done in. So she's saying,
Miss Baniak is saying, I couldn't follow his solution either,
And I'm not sure if there is one in the
form of a continuous message or sentences. Our minds need
to order something into something we can recognize. These ciphers
were written before computers, so possibly a computer will not
find a solution. What I noticed is that only numbers
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in the cipher are nine and eight, and always in
that order. Nine to eight is the atomic number of californium,
and the half shaded and the half shaded BOK could
be a reference to half life of atomic elements.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
The moon symbol.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Right, it's all right up there, Yeah, The moon symbols
could be a reference to a Peter Moon who was
involved in the UK Nuclear Research Program aka MOD. I
think nuclear tests in Nevada were joint exercises, but also
the cipher was published a few years after the first
nuclear threat had been averted by JFK, and some back
(29:29):
room boys were not on board, regarding him as a
communist sympathizer. As a result, they wanted the Grand Finale.
But decades before, some American scientists wanted to test their
nuclear capabilities by blowing up the Moon. Thankfully, by the
time of JFK, they decided to visit. They had decided
to visit it instead. Yes, please to the nineteen forties
(29:52):
Army Ciphering System publish that. I don't know anything about
the nineteen forties Army ciphering system, do you? Is that
the period nineteen that Orange Jack talks about.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
No, but I got a solve that Jack is saying
that he gave him the IBM particular computer system that
would come up with the subby came up with. And
he's saying, in the future, they're going to be saying,
we got it, We got it through that three guys
he predicted it. Yeah. So, but then there were was
(30:25):
a computer system in the nineteen forties. It's just like
it would fill an entire building if I remember I so.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Oh yeah, well, technology is what at least fifty years
in advance of me.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
There was it wasn't this the same system that filled
the building is in it.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
So she saying that the Warhawks in the United States
wanted to blow up the moon.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I've heard that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I heard because because if I remember the joking, story
was because they didn't want the Russian to get there first.
So blowing up.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
That was definitely coming out of a ballplayer's mouth. I'm
going to take my ball and go home.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
We can't have the moon neither, can you?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Come on?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well, maybe like that last people that were making things disappear,
all they did was merely make it look like it disappeared.
Somebody Glenn Collins seven six seven zero rights you lost
me in the beginning what Cipher recently got solved? Not
referring to the three forty are you.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
I already know about that one.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
I don't understand that, I get I don't know why
I even put that one in here.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I must have thought that was van Rack and I
just kept on going.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Anyways, back to more of Vanerak, she said, Crime and
Punishment book. Student drops out but can't admit to his
family back home, pawns his valuables, and when that runs out,
he kills the pawnbroker and takes her lute the Leopold
and Loeb, which could have been the inspired by the book.
He shadows the police investigation, offers his help, and talks
(32:20):
of little else, which pretty soon draws attention to himself
found guilty long stint in Siberia, breaking stones in a quarry.
I think that's it. Although I did read The Idiot
by the same author many years ago.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Both titles fit. So what was the other title?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I think the author's Dostoyevsky.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
For Crime and Punishment.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, boy, yeah, I'm not sure either, but I remember
you talking about the Crime and Punishment and Deus Deut
whatever that name.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Was, Deutschevski.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Ms.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Vanorat goes on to say that Shakespeare quote could be
a reference to code breaker Elizabeth Friedman Smith, who broke
the codes in the smugglers shipping during Prohibition and stood
in court in front of the mob.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Are you familiar with any of that, Harriet, No, but
I know, well, bringing.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Up about Shakespeare and the system seems to go quite
back there, and I'm seeing stuff alluding to what is
coming out of the England area. All I know is
when I'm seeing whoever this Miss Venerick is I'm seeing
(33:40):
how do I say it? I'm wondering, is this rodgers
Stone talking to you? Because a lot of this stuff
is something that you might see in his conversations and people.
I've been to the JFK conferences, so it gets a
I'm not saying he's weird and out there, but this
is things I thought I but we talked about. You know,
(34:03):
people can get so crazy. And he's also trying to
look people back in well, and maybe.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
As the reference to the Shakespeare.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Quote exactly, they're just completely incomplete.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
What what's Shakespeare quote? Though?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Not to be I don't know, not to be zodiac?
Speaker 4 (34:30):
That is?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, I'm left again with more questions than answers. And again,
maybe this is somebody portraying themselves as Miss Vanerak when
they're technically somebody else, and that's why they're not reaching
out to me in order to have these discussions or
let me know who they are. I've found this over
the years since I've been doing this, that people will
pop in. They usually come in incognito or anonymous. They
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don't really want to tell me who they are. They
drop a bit of information off on me and a
lot of times it's good information and it's led me
to that next lead or that next communication. But that
could be the likes of Ms.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Vannerak.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
So if she does reach out to me after covering
these two answer any of these questions, we'll do some
follow up in the future. And that brings us to
September one, nineteen eighty four. Laura Ann Miller. She was
abducted from a convenience store. Tim Miller receives an anniversary
I call it the anniversary finale letter. If you've heard
(35:33):
me talk about this letter, I started with it in
the very beginning of this entire presentation when I started
the podcast almost three years ago, and we're going to
be seeing it in two thousand and five as it
plays into the whole entire scheme of things chronologically. And
today we're just going to talk a little bit about
our experience with Tim Miller, the death of his daughter,
(35:55):
and we're going to see the letters, so we'll try
to get through as much of that as we can.
It says all the bodies were Let me start with.
Tim Miller receives that anniversary letter in September of two
thousand and five, before two thousand and six. That six
that letter goes missing. That to me is very scary.
So to lose evidence in a major cold case inside
(36:17):
of a year is kind of astounding. Then to have
it actually pop up on the internet, not in just
the original version that Tim Miller had received, but also
in a secondary version where it appears as though somebody
tempted to trace the cutouts in writing. So I had
two versions, one of which he had never seen before.
(36:38):
Some of the background in the League City Field of
Stars or Deaths, as they refer to this particular area
in the crime scene in the Galveston area of Texas,
it says all the bodies were laid out in a
circle under trees, nude and laid out on their backs
with their arms crossed over their chests. So this is
how the victims were found. And that's what you were
(37:00):
talking about, Harriet, about decoding the forensic evidence and the
way that they were positioned, posed and laid out. We
saw this in the occ case. This is how the
children were posed in that crime as well. They were
and then arms crossed across their chest. So why they
didn't put these two together, I guess again it's going
to be about time. I want to say that the
(37:20):
link analysis detective that I spoke with said that this
didn't come about. This idea or concept of link analysis
didn't come about until literally the nineties, and they called
it like a link analysis of blindness. Basically because of
proximity being so far away, time span being so distant
in between, that people didn't naturally put these things together.
(37:42):
And that was in art that they were training for
in the nineties. And when he became a link analysis detective,
it says she was last seen using a payphone at
a convenience store. This is the same same store as Fhi.
By the way, Heidi.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Five was real by.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, yeah, I think you're right, Heidi Villareal Fi. Either way,
some of the sightings of the individuals that were, you know,
stopping to help people on the road, they stated that
they were dressed almost as if they were officers or
a security guard, so they were obviously in whatever type
of clothing that or suits like a security guard would wear.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
And we know that during this time frame.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Jack was actively acting as a security guard in fact
for Hewlett Packard, so him having access. So it really
just boils down to when we talk about all this evidence,
and Jack fits it so well. He was in the
Air Force, had access to air Wingwalker's shoes that were
in the Zodiac cases during the time of these I
forty five murders is actively a security guard and has
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access to that type of clothing, the vehicles being similar
to the sightings of vehicles in these cases. There's just
so many things that link Jacket's unreal Let's see, so Jack,
I didn't find out until Tim Miller came out to
visit us, but Jack actually had friends in the next
zip code to Tim Miller that is consistent with the
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zip code from which the letter is sent in two
thousand and five and was mailed out of Texas. This
friend had a daughter named Krystal, and that Krystal eventually
ended up being Jack's youngest son, Charles's girlfriend for many years.
I don't believe they're still together anymore today, but they
were together at the time that Tim Miller came out
(39:36):
to visit us. They were still dating at that point
in time, so they had been dating for well at
least probably since the two thousand and five era till
whenever they broke up after two thousand and nine, when
I got involved with the case. I do have the
links to the images from image Shack in regards to
(39:56):
the letter. So the top one is the image of
the letter that was actually cut and pasted out of
a magazine, just like many of the communications that we've seen.
It was written to Tim Miller in two thousand and
five by someone hiding it says behind the name. Oh,
this was sent to me by somebody hiding behind the
name Sad Badge via emails two year ten. Yeah, Sad
(40:17):
Badge sent these to me. And so the second one
is actually website to the I forty five Murders where
you will view all of these different victims that we
have listed down here that are still currently unsolved murders today.
To the right, I have a picture of Laura and
(40:37):
is it Laura Ann? But it almost looks like that,
says Laura Lynn Miller. Maybe it does say Anne, Laura
Ann Miller. Anyways, yeah, Laura Lynn. But even the dates
is nineteen eighty six, Do I have her in the
wrong contact?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
That's when they That's when they found her remains.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
And oh gotcha.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
September tenth, nineteen eighty four, when she was gone.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
September first, nineteen eighty four, okay, And then February second,
nineteen eighty six, almost two years basically or a little
over two years basically too.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Found her remains.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
And of course I believe that her remains were found
on property owned by Abel, correct.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I think, though, But it's an old it's an old
Phillips sixty six pumping jack station. That's when I got there.
That was okay. That helped solve a whole bunch of
other forty five cases. All the evidence there, and whoever
(41:45):
placed her there knew how to do this and placed
her next to other victims or approximately twenty twenty feet
from another victim, and was actually telling a horrible story.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Well, in many of these victims, many of these victims
that were buried here, they found additional hands and bones
of other victims inside the grave. So as if the
perpetrator returned to the grave where he buried one body
and then dumped off hands from another victim head here
and in the in the mob concept of things and
(42:19):
trying to prevent an identification from being made, separating the
hands in the head would would stall that investigation in
order to figure out who it was they had there
that was dead, which would prolong the ability to actually
connect that back to the actual murderer. So the misplacing
of these bones, We've seen it happened wet in the
Santa Rose hitchhiker murders. We've seen it happen here in
(42:41):
the fort five, and we've seen in different different don
alas exactly and.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
The parts and playing it out and when you see
it from an aerial view is actually telling a story.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
And I want to say that when I was looking
at some of these suspects going through these cases, the
head or scholl of one victim would be found even
states away. Now they wanted to throw down with maybe
a coyote traveled that far, but I would have to
assume that even coyotes kind of have like their area
where they stay in. You know, they're not gonna Ooh,
I found a school. Let me run to Colorado. Some
(43:23):
things don't sound logical either way. I wanted to cover
some background information. Let's see here. So on February thirteenth
of twenty twenty two, Tim Miller actually calls me out
of the blue. Oh, let's back this up. Tim Miller
came to visit Dennis and I in I want to
say twenty ten, after I had basically i'd say, deciphered
(43:48):
the communication that was sent to him. I believe that
it was a finale letter where the Zodiac was taking
credit for all the crimes that he had committed, the
Phantom murders, such as Texarcana Phantom.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
The I forty five.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
He's talking about the eighties series, so evidently there's two
different series of murders that occur a both the eighties
and seventies. And wrapping all of that information up around
what I knew about the Zodiac, I reached out to
Tim Miller and I sent him my work and.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Said that I think we need to speak.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
He almost immediately contacted me and then came in with
Steph Watts, which was his producer and filmer, while we
went through Jack's sheds, or at least they were Tennis's
sheds now at this point, but we were going through
Jack's stuff that Dennis had been hauling around with him
and storing for many years. And one of the things
that Tim Miller had indicated is that there was no
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way that Jack could have been the author of this
letter because it was mailed out of Texas within the
zip code range near Tim Miller and that Jack was
not known to be in Texas in two thousand and five,
but on a visit where Dennis went to hang out
with Tim Miller, they went to go look for some
evidence that was left at Jack's aunt's house. She had
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some boxes of his belongings at one point in time.
She did, unfortunately, eventually end up getting rid of them.
She may not have understood what that meant to Jack,
because Jack showed up in two thousand and five wanting
these boxes back, only to find out that she'd gotten
rid of them because he had not been around in
so many years that she didn't feel like she was
just going to keep hoarding or keeping hold of this stuff,
and she dumped it.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
So this place is and she.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Places Jack in Texas in September of two thousand and
five to retrieve those boxes. And of course we just
talked about his relation to the zip code right next
to Tim Miller, which is the zip code in which
the letter was mailed out of to Tim Miller. There's
so many connections here, it's unreal. At one point in time,
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I had literally sat down and gone through all of
the pictures that Jack had taken while in Texas. Because
I had stated he visited home a lot. Nearly every holiday,
he would make it home to see Mom. And these
pictures all revolved around solved murders and deaths that occurred
during those times, and I could actually relate every single
picture to the I forty five unsolved murdered list. I
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want to say there was about nineteen twenty five murder victims,
and I had a picture that placed Jack in Texas
during all of these times. Those pictures went missing while
Tim Miller and Steph Watts were at my house. One second,
they were on my pool table with all the evidence
that we had pulled out of Jack's stuff, and then
a fight ensued because Tim Miller and I think it
(46:30):
was Steph Watts actually told me that Jack wanted to
sell or sorry, Dennis wanted to sell them the IDs
of the victims. So evidently Dennis had told us for many,
many years that he had all the IDs from these victims.
I don't know if that information is true and that
all their ideas were ever missing. That's not something that
you see in these cases when they released the information
(46:51):
on it. But that infuriated me because I wasn't in
this to sell things. I wasn't in this to make things.
I'm here, I am working for free, basically doing this case,
and to hear that caused me to question Dennis. Dennis
got upset with me because now I don't trust him
and I'm questioning him, and he never said this to
Steph Watson, Tim Miller. I don't know if that I'll
(47:12):
ever figure out the truth of this matter. Either way,
when that fight ensued, we both separated out of that room,
leaving all the evidence on that table. When we came
back in to go over it, those pictures were gone.
Speaker 5 (47:23):
I was no longer able to establish a pattern of
Jack being in Texas.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Without them, and I did not have them scanned into
my system at that point in time. I think that's
probably what preempted me at that point to start scanning
every single piece of evidence that Dennis brought me that
belonged to Jack, and I would have him bring me
tubs of Jack's paperwork, which is how I walked through
Jack's life in this presentation. Either way, I was very
(47:49):
very sound on the fact that this is the zodiac.
And then I guess Tim Miller had his own suspect
this gentleman over here to the right. Clyde Heddrick, he
believes was involved with the oil industry and what they
referred to as superfudge in his letter, he believed mentor
(48:09):
tied back to barrels or oil drums of sludge that
was pulled and categorized, kind of like the anthrax strains
at Arizona University. That way they could tell if somebody
else piped into somebody's rights and started pulling the stuff,
the oil from underground, they can cross compare that with
those barrels to see whether or not that person had
the rights to that particular oil. And he believed this,
(48:31):
Clyde Hedrick. But you can see this guy up here.
He's got no teeth. He doesn't look like he's well
to do at all.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
He's so dumb. Okay, when I got intends to do
with Robert abel and very intelligent people, this guy is
so dumb. He doesn't even know where the moon is
in the sky. His mind was just not there. So
for Tim Miller to say, Okay, I'm going to go
for a civil lawsuit against this guy, and when.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
It doesn't make sense to get it nothing. Yeah, he
did a wrongful death suit. But in twenty fourteen, and
he won that for an amazing amount of money, which
we're going to have to We're going to have to
climb into this information later because we are now down
to our last thirty seconds about But we will pick
up where we left off next week in the Laura
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Miller case and more information about Tim Miller and his
happenstances in my life, in Dennis's life, and him actually
calling me back in twenty twenty two to see if
I really believe that Jack was the zodiac.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
So I would like to know.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Sign off now, tell everybody thank you guys for both
being here. Everybody have a great weekend and we will
see you next Friday.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Bye bye, happy weekend.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
Everybody next Friday. Every good
Speaker 5 (50:00):
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Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
I'd like to welcome to the show today, Harriet Souchet,
Good morning, mid morning, and Nolan del Campo, if you're
done with your dog, good morning. Oh here we go,
(01:15):
stepping back into the Zodiac. I'm so happy to be
back after that wrongful conviction case. I'm still waiting on
some final answers that we'll do some follow up at
some point in time once those come in, but I'm
gonna hit right back into the YouTube. Comments by miss Vanerak.
We started with her last week talking about all the
(01:35):
Livelong Day as part of the lyrics of a creepy
stocky song called the Eyes of Texas, which is another
Texas relation. I think that Harriet and I and we
have studied these communications for so long, and there are
many barrels of fun. There's fiddle fart around, there's can
you think of any more of those key phrases that
are one of them?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Was?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I think fiddle fart around was actually originated in Lubbock, Texas,
and that's where Jack was born.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I had who said that too all the time, and
they were from the South. They were born in Texas.
That's right.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Never mind, And what did you say?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yours is a dragon?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Your ass? You think that's a Texas reference?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
It's Southwestern?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Ye with your ass is a dragon?
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Yeah, And I tattooed that on my leg. Your ass
is a dragon?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Anyways, and his man Rack actually went out of her
way in one or in the two weeks we were
off for the wrongful conviction of Peter Wilson, and had
sent me several messages.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
I did respond to her.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I've not heard back from her as well, but I
did tell her that I would address these particular comments
on the show because I think they're thought provoking and
I'm always up for additional perceptions and thoughts and theories.
So this is a next one, and it says and
this is right up your alley, Harriet, he says, I
think the ciphers begin with black Dahlia, or she was
(03:13):
mutilated in such a way as to convey the message
that there were ciphers. The cut on her tummy from
belly button down to the pubic bone was how Scyrian
sections were done in those days. Usually the horizontal cut
used nowadays only came into common when with used with
the advent of bikinis and women wanting their scar hidden
on the beach. A Caesar solve is a type of cipher,
(03:35):
and I've tried some with the key line being the
murder or abduction location, and have got some pretty interesting results.
I've found consistent references to the film industry, and from
there further visual clues and hints about who in the
industry is into Satanism. It's rife then as now. Also
possibly back at the source is the nineteen thirty one
(03:58):
German film called m about a serial killer of little girls,
produced by another Roman emperor, Nero Films. So many fled
Germany at the start of World War Two and came
to America or UK. Now, Harriet, I thought you were
gonna have all kinds of stuff to say about this.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, there's actually.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Hold on, Harry, Harriet, Harriet, hold on one second, Go ahead, Nolan.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I think M is directed by Fritz Lang, a famous
German film director.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Gotcha.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I have no idea what she's talking about, and I
couldn't even begin to google just M to figure that out.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
But go ahead, Harriet.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Well, what I was going to say, this is actually
segueing in a weird way into how the evidence tells
the story, and this person is pretty much right. That's
where I started cutting my teeth literally on the cipher's
stuff was how Elizabeth Short was. Her feet were pointing
(04:58):
to the north, remember right, her hands were pointing a
certain way. Yes, there was a cut on the belly
alluding to a cesarean. I got a saw that says
that George Hodell had given her a cesarean and took
the baby out a few days prior. Anyways, So this
(05:19):
is it. This is the evidence is telling a story,
and it is in code.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
So let me get this straight.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Obviously, she wasn't known to be pregnant, so she would
have been in early stages if she was, And what
would their purpose because back in the nineteen forties, it's
not like they had DNA and could have tested the fetus.
My thought is is nowadays you would take that fetus
because you didn't want it to tie back to maybe
some corrupt official that got her pregnant and it had
her killed because she didn't want it being outed. But
(05:49):
back in the nineteen forties, it's not like you had
that type of DNA resource to be able to determine
who that baby belonged to.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Right, this I think is true.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
But if I remember right, and I no longer see
him online. Sorry, as George Odell's son would tried to
claim that his father, Yeah, he said that there was
some testing done in the house, the stolen house, I
remember the name. But they found some sense of like
(06:26):
a small body was buried there, like like a fetus
or something alluding to that. So anyways, uh, and I
got a whole bunch of salts there talking about that,
that weird house. But but again it goes back to
what this person is saying. It is code. I've seen
it in future things. How somebody was laid out, a
(06:48):
shirt was next to them there, a ring was laid
next to them that they probably didn't know everything and code,
So so they're actually pretty much right. It's code is
a site.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Well you you actually believe that this code existed well
before Black Dahlia though, right, you're saying, yea, even in
the eighteen hundreds or earlier.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, that's when I'm finding out when I'm stuck in
eighteen eighty eight. Now, because I wanted to do it.
I was running. I ran out of the stuff to
decode for Jack, so I got stuck.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well let me give you more.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, let's see, because that's how I got it, and
when I'm finding out, Yeah, they were using a very
the sync system of how something was laid out. Something
was put on an envelope without a stamp, like Dahlio.
I think we have some envelopes or a postcard without
a stamp, you know. I think it was notorious.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
He was notorious for either over postaging or not using
any postage at all. So yeah, in both cases, All right,
onto her next one. Then, well, let me see if
there was any thing I wanted to say about that reference. Well,
we know that there's references to the film industry. A
lot of the Zodiac communications either allude to, you know,
(08:10):
Japanese movies or different films like The bad Lands. In
one of his communications, he's constantly hitting at the media. Yeah,
most dangerous game. Yeah, I mean it's just over and
over again. I couldn't throw a stick at this case
and not hit either. A reference to a book, a
passage to a book, magazines like dB Cooper that he
(08:34):
used cutouts from the Playboy magazine.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
So there's always something that's going back to the media here.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, the Charlie chan film that was filmed at Treasure.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Island, right right, over and over again. We're going to
see that, those references and everything. Her next comment is,
I think the arrows on the grime sister shed writing
is the outline of a constellation. Let me correct that.
The for the listeners is that it wasn't on the shed.
It was on a two by four that was found
on a shed at a at or near a park
(09:04):
area nearby. I mean at least within probably a mile
or so of where the girls were killed. And this
was again two girls that were abducted. They were on
their way I believe, to an Elvis Presley.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Event. I want to say they kind of basically ran away.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
They were supposed to go to the movies, but then
they left town to head to this event and were
kidnapped and then ultimately killed. And this two by four
that was found in a shed nearby had some markings
on it which included arrows. Now, I heavily talk about
the arrows that are being used in the zodiac communications,
because there was always an arrow drawing somewhere. And this
goes all the way back to Black Dahlia. We saw
(09:42):
when he when he said that Armando, I think Armando Robliss.
I don't know if I'm saying his name correct. I
know it's Armando, but he had knocked him out, basically
stole his wallet, and then had photocopied his picture, and
he wrote next and I saw my very first era
in these particular communications. So it goes back pretty far
(10:04):
with the arrows. So she says she thinks that the
writing is the outline of a constellation.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Does she have an idea what constellation would be?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
No, but everybody wants to.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Stuff is.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Well, and I would I should have.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I should have kind of pulled out the actual image
that she's talking about to show the two by four.
I have no clue how she's acclimated this to any
type of a constellation because it's written there are words
like please and and stop or something like that. Me
and then these arrows are drawn, but they're on a
two by four that's elongated, So I don't know how
that makes a constellation at all in her mind. I
(10:53):
did ask her to share this stuff with me, to
email me to you know, let's talk about whatever your
thoughts and theories, and you're so and I'd be willing
to have you on the show. But I never heard
back from her, So I'm at a loss as to
how to answer what her perception is.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I just know that when I look at those arrows on.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
That too by four, to me, they don't represent a
constellation based on where they're placed on the board, she says,
hence it being at various angles depending on the time
of year and global viewpoint. And I think everybody wants
to tie this back to the Zodiac constellation, the Zodiac
system in constellation terms or horoscope terms, but I just
(11:32):
I don't really see that being the vice we've discussed
before that Jack was a rancher, he was born on
a farm that he knew the farmer's almanac, which is
all your solstices, when winter's coming, when it's safe to plant,
all of these different timeframes that also revolved around this
constellation idea.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
It says, let's see.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Hence it being at various angles depending on the time
of year and global viewpoint. Lots of constellations have gone
out out of common usage. They use the be on Me,
which is a constellation above Aris, and I was born
under the sign of Ares. Balance on the drawings with
the Jenny Lynn Pooky letter are also a heart shaped
constellation on that angle, the constellation of Dorado. I don't
(12:20):
really know my constellations to be able to speak about this,
but I feel like the Pooky letter. Do you know
anything about that communication.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I'm gonna have to look that up.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
But there's your next station.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Okay, I think I've seen something many many years ago. Okay, Jack,
where he when he was born, the time he was
born and that part of Texas, These constellations were going
over him as almost as if in code, is trying
to say, I'm this guy who was born under these constellations.
(12:54):
I'm trying to remember what that was. And then you
at Dorado. Derondo is a place in Colorado. I think,
so he's got some big Colorado connections. We know that well.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And at one point in time Jack had purchased a
portion of acreage up in the El Dorado area, the
only Dorado, the only Dorado I know of. But yes,
he had property up there. And that's the party in
which Dennis actually had them go out with ground images
found human bones that they did not.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
For a moment. Let's see, we're gonna have some background noise.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Okay, you don't have to go through all that. You
can just do it all right, onto the next one.
So miss van rak her next comment is glad to
hear someone else expressing frustration about self appointed experts controlling,
containing and ultimately stagnating progress. This needs to be solved
(13:56):
because it is so much more than five murders in
California in the late nineteen sixties. It announced its arrival
in the UK to the general public in the first
ever episode of BBC Crime Watch in June nineteen eighty
four on yt and the Murder of Collette Aram, complete
with cipher confession letter from the perpetrator. Now, I'm not
(14:16):
sure who this individual is. I've not heard the name
Collette Aram, but it sounds to me like this may
be why they keep I see people from the UK
trying to tie back and forth this zodiac reference. We
talked about the oh gosh, what was the murders in
the lover Lanes in in Sweden? Right, and I stated
(14:40):
Italy Italy? Okay, Well, I had stated that I didn't
believe Jack was a part of them, but that the
group possibly could be. Now you're starting to see where
they are putting together things that are happening in the
UK and coinciding that with zodiac mischief basically, so it
(15:00):
is likely that this group is all around the world,
and I would connect.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So it's global. It's been global. I'm finding it since
eighteen eighty eight for sure. Anyway, gotcha, but you brought
up about the Italy connection. Let me say something really quick.
What I found out by those lovers Lane murders. They
all have names with shoe companies, some of them very expensive,
and the last one did own a shoe store in Europe.
(15:28):
So there's a connection right there. So anyways, well, how
is the shoe store connection. I don't understand. That person
was also murdered, but was quite I think quite wealthy,
kind of like a Beverly Hills type shoe store, but
in Europe, and I'm like, there's something, there's something there
(15:50):
and has something to do with with the fashion industry
and a very expensive shoes and all those names all
have something to do with shoes.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Anyways, one might have to revisit that at some point
in time. Well, Mssvanat goes on in her next comment
to say, I think Disney is pivotal.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I think you're right, Ms Vannerak.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I've found a lot of relation to Disney throughout this
progress and time frame. It says after his first success
in the nineteen thirties, he investigated big time in Texan
or he invested big time in Texan oil drilling. So
basically she's indicating what Walt Disney has expanded into oil,
(16:30):
and we know that oil.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Is a big theme around all of this.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
In fact, our next murder that's going to be coming up,
we're going to talk about how that father of the
murdered victim believes that somebody from the oil industry was
involved with his daughter's death. So it says father Irish,
hence the connection to horse racing, and his mother half
English and half German. He was big in Germany even
pre war Mickey Mouse is in the background in the
(16:56):
shops in the nineteen thirty one German Purvy Murders film
called m Oh We're back to Em Again. Nolan, have
you watched this movie?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I think when I was in my twenties at like
film school.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Yeah, they're saying that Mick.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Peter Lorri stars as the murderer.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Well, and she's saying that as early as nineteen thirty one,
Mickey Mouse was seen in the background of that particular flag.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Yeah, crazy, he says.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Hence, and of course hens is always that big word
with the John Benet Ramsey stuff. Hence, I think the
latter disputed type written list letter from Zodiac signed by Deferr.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
I haven't seen this.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
That letter is absolutely a part of it. And I
call it the Magic letter because the way the words
are arranged on the page sometimes produces images and sometimes
show the angle of refraction for invisibility. Keep it thumbnail
size and you will see different things on different viewings.
The silhouette image top left of the letter could be
Mickey Mouse, but the squiggles represent the etchings they put
(18:05):
on the glass prisms they use when creating a zone
of invisibility. The etched images can be picked up by
the camera, even old thirty five millimeter Also Colin Nag
entertainer from Germany whose partner fled to California at the
outset of World War Two. They specialized in disappearing things
on stage, even as big as a car. Bet Betty
(18:28):
lou Jensen, and Michael Renault mijeau LBJ.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I'm gonna I'm gonna think that.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
LBJ is Lyndon B. Johnson liked to be called Defer
in private with his cronies in the White House apparently,
so that is an interesting tie in.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yeah, what's that nothing? You don't joke?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You can't, you can't joke, and then giggle and then
tell me not and like that's keeping it suspense.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Must Yeah, I Betty did, Yeah, no, the Nazi now.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, interesting that she ties in Betty lou Jensen and
Michael Renault MIGEU. I mean Renault is a vehicle, right,
But I'm not quite sure where she's going with this.
I have more questions than answers afterwards. But I do
believe that you know that zone of invisibility that they're
talking about, the etched images that can be picked up
by the camera and the thirty five millimeter. I mean,
(19:40):
there's a lot of things in here that really piqued
my interest, and I'd like to know where she's going
with it.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Okay, So Renault was Mijau's mid lame.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
That's what she's indicating.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Interesting, Michael, Michael, we know Michael Renault.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Is that all fran Bench.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, it's a French name.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah, Yeah, was a Renault car French as well.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, we pronounced it in English Renault. But I believe
this Renault Renault.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
You go to these different countries as I found, and
they don't use half the letters of the alphabets that's
in the words. So I'm like, why are you wasting
the time and energy on writing them? If you don't
say them, why don't you write them phonically?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
All right?
Speaker 5 (20:29):
So miss van it wouldn't be frenched up.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Miss Vannarak goes on to say the description by Brian
Hartnell and Kathleen Johnson migeaux Stein's witnesses of dark curly
hair and dark framed glasses versus the deliberately blonde hair
and pale.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Framed glasses of the published guesses.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Immediately tells any inquiring mind that you have to wade
through bullshit to get to some truce. I do believe that,
but I have never seen the I've never seen a
description of dark rimmed glasses. I've never seen a description
of dark brown hair. It's been reddish brown, reddish blonde,
blonde gray. And I actually did, at one point in time,
(21:12):
put together all the sightings of the zodiac in one
display for one of these podcasts, and you can cross reference.
And of course, I mean anybody in a state of
trauma is going to see what they think they see
and repeating it. Sometimes they're not most reliable source as
an eyewitness.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
But the one that I hold true is police officer
that saw him in the video.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I'm going to tend to believe the description that that
officer gives because A he was not in the middle
of trauma. B he's trained to do these things to
I'll assess and look at people. So I think that
if they're attempting to change this for the purpose of
let's say, who is Tom Boyd's favorite Gaikowski, right, he
(21:55):
had the horn rimmed, dark glass, dark rained glasses. If
you're looking change the narrative to fit your suspect, and sure.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Go for it.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
But if you look back to one of my Power.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Our podcasts to see all of the different sightings and
what they witnessed and they viewed, you're gonna find that
the information she just gave there for me is again
it is bullshit. I mean, you have to wade through
that to find the truth. And that's why I compiled
all those different sightings so that we could make out
what part of that was literally the zodiac they were seeing.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
CD four four six.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
As I love all the authors, Zodiac Unmass, the true
identity of Zodiac, zodiac Solved, et cetera. If any of
those titles were true, the FBI would have closed the
case and signed off on their suspect.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
This hasn't happened.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I personally appreciate her for saying that, because that's what
we get year after year. I get phone calls from
friends and even Nolan has Nanette, did you see the
new Zodiac that they've got out? And they start out
with some headline like Zodiac identified right, and they blast
this all across the world as they've in many different
(23:01):
cases like Dupper Perez and her faulty suspect, and then
when they reach when they recant it, and there's something
by the FBI saying no, this is not closed, No,
this is not the person. It's this little tiny blurb
that actually gets out there to retract that particular press release,
and it doesn't go but barely right out of our area,
so it doesn't go around the world to say no.
(23:22):
And this leads everybody to believe, at one time or
another that there's a whole new suspect and they've solved
the case when they haven't. If they had, the FBI
would close it.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
They just need this true crime to keep going. It's
a moneymaker, yes it is. I well, can I say
one thing about the description of the curly hair et cetera. Oh, yeah,
I believe that's the one where there's the unnamed witnesses
at Lake Barry Essa that had the picture of the
(23:52):
person with darker hair, a little bit curly, spraguely looking
that Dennis had said that that's his step brother Denny.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
They didn't portray that image.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
They didn't portray that image with curly hair dark yes,
slicked back, yes, And they didn't portray or state curly.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
All I know is that's the person that I saw
when I was ten or eleven ish. And then when
I found out that's why, I said, I got to
support Dennis.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Person year, what year would you be? What year would
you be? Ten or eleven?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Nineteen seventy And it was at the bus stop for
the twenty four. And then then through his website said well,
they were living on Surrey Street in the neighborhood next
to yours and you would have to take the twenty four.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
So yeah, I definitely in the San Francisco area.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Okay, that's very interesting, all right, so miss Vannerack's next
one is the description by Brian Hartnell and Kathleen Johnson.
Oh wait a minute, uh, I already read that one.
Next one a student mortar board with a professor's gown
ranged over it.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
I have no idea what that means.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Mortarboard, professor's gown arranged over it. I think I don't
know if she's.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
An I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Again, and I asked these questions I don't get answers.
Ezra Cuba said, The laughing frenzy reminds me of Dennis's
photo of Jack, where he labels it becoming zodiac. Jack
seems to have gotten some sort of euphoria while killing.
The picture he's talking about is the picture of Jack
showing some Yeah, he looks like the image off of
(25:36):
the Halloween card that you know, arms displayed out, and
he has just gone to the neighbor's house and killed
the neighbor's dogs. And he comes back and he looks
like he is literally just on fire. His eyes are wide,
like he's probably on methamphetamines or something like that, because
he was known to have made, sold and dealt with
meth amphetamines during that time. He was probably high as
(25:58):
a kite and he was euphoric over having killed those dogs.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Wow. All right, right, bloodlust pretty much.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
And I guess I mean, if that's how you have
to get it, because you're not capable of running out
and killing any person at that point in time, You're
going to get it wherever you can. And we have
lots of instances of Jack killing family pets and obviously
neighbor's pets and things like that.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
So he just killed. He just killed. To kill.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Miss van Rack nineteen fifties Army code question mark. I
found the airs symbol being used as a capital T
in the military forms for Mary Jane van Glider during
the war years. She was applying for civilian work at
a military base. Mysterious WV channel, A cluster of crimes
in that area and another in Cleveland, Ohio, and something
(26:50):
about an airstrip, which I think is about David Ferry
and the jfk assassination.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Does anybody know what she's talking about?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Asp, Yeah, sport of.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
It says a cluster of crimes in that area and
another in Cleveland, Ohio, and something about an airstrip, which
I think is about David Ferry. And then she parentheses
jfk assassination.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Right, Ferry was involved in the jeffk assassination, and he
was a pilot and actually, uh Lee Harvey Oswald as
a teenager trained under David Ferry and civil air patrol,
I think for young kids, for like high school age kids,
(27:38):
Oswald joining the Marines.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Right, So.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Gotcha.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Now her next one is I couldn't follow his solution either.
And this is in response to Orange Shak solve with
the period nineteen ciphersolve of the three forty it was
a three forty, right, Yeah, because yeah, the three forty.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
I tried to.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Map out the three forty solved that Orangechak did, and
of course it did not map out in the way
he stated. You had to make many manipulations and changes
in order to get me a clear message, and some
words were just flat out inserted or changed altogether. I
did not find that it was reproducible by the means
(28:25):
that he states that it was done in. So she's saying,
Miss Baniak is saying, I couldn't follow his solution either,
And I'm not sure if there is one in the
form of a continuous message or sentences. Our minds need
to order something into something we can recognize. These ciphers
were written before computers, so possibly a computer will not
find a solution. What I noticed is that only numbers
(28:48):
in the cipher are nine and eight, and always in
that order. Nine to eight is the atomic number of californium,
and the half shaded and the half shaded BOK could
be a reference to half life of atomic elements.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
The moon symbol.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Right, it's all right up there, Yeah, The moon symbols
could be a reference to a Peter Moon who was
involved in the UK Nuclear Research Program aka MOD. I
think nuclear tests in Nevada were joint exercises, but also
the cipher was published a few years after the first
nuclear threat had been averted by JFK, and some back
(29:29):
room boys were not on board, regarding him as a
communist sympathizer. As a result, they wanted the Grand Finale.
But decades before, some American scientists wanted to test their
nuclear capabilities by blowing up the Moon. Thankfully, by the
time of JFK, they decided to visit. They had decided
to visit it instead. Yes, please to the nineteen forties
(29:52):
Army Ciphering System publish that. I don't know anything about
the nineteen forties Army ciphering system, do you? Is that
the period nineteen that Orange Jack talks about.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
No, but I got a solve that Jack is saying
that he gave him the IBM particular computer system that
would come up with the subby came up with. And
he's saying, in the future, they're going to be saying,
we got it, We got it through that three guys
he predicted it. Yeah. So, but then there were was
(30:25):
a computer system in the nineteen forties. It's just like
it would fill an entire building if I remember I so.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Oh yeah, well, technology is what at least fifty years
in advance of me.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
There was it wasn't this the same system that filled
the building is in it.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
So she saying that the Warhawks in the United States
wanted to blow up the moon.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I've heard that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I heard because because if I remember the joking, story
was because they didn't want the Russian to get there first.
So blowing up.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
That was definitely coming out of a ballplayer's mouth. I'm
going to take my ball and go home.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
We can't have the moon neither, can you?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Come on?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well, maybe like that last people that were making things disappear,
all they did was merely make it look like it disappeared.
Somebody Glenn Collins seven six seven zero rights you lost
me in the beginning what Cipher recently got solved? Not
referring to the three forty are you.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
I already know about that one.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
I don't understand that, I get I don't know why
I even put that one in here.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I must have thought that was van Rack and I
just kept on going.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Anyways, back to more of Vanerak, she said, Crime and
Punishment book. Student drops out but can't admit to his
family back home, pawns his valuables, and when that runs out,
he kills the pawnbroker and takes her lute the Leopold
and Loeb, which could have been the inspired by the book.
He shadows the police investigation, offers his help, and talks
(32:20):
of little else, which pretty soon draws attention to himself
found guilty long stint in Siberia, breaking stones in a quarry.
I think that's it. Although I did read The Idiot
by the same author many years ago.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Both titles fit. So what was the other title?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I think the author's Dostoyevsky.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
For Crime and Punishment.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, boy, yeah, I'm not sure either, but I remember
you talking about the Crime and Punishment and Deus Deut
whatever that name.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Was, Deutschevski.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Ms.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Vanorat goes on to say that Shakespeare quote could be
a reference to code breaker Elizabeth Friedman Smith, who broke
the codes in the smugglers shipping during Prohibition and stood
in court in front of the mob.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Are you familiar with any of that, Harriet, No, but
I know, well, bringing.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Up about Shakespeare and the system seems to go quite
back there, and I'm seeing stuff alluding to what is
coming out of the England area. All I know is
when I'm seeing whoever this Miss Venerick is I'm seeing
(33:40):
how do I say it? I'm wondering, is this rodgers
Stone talking to you? Because a lot of this stuff
is something that you might see in his conversations and people.
I've been to the JFK conferences, so it gets a
I'm not saying he's weird and out there, but this
is things I thought I but we talked about. You know,
(34:03):
people can get so crazy. And he's also trying to
look people back in well, and maybe.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
As the reference to the Shakespeare.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Quote exactly, they're just completely incomplete.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
What what's Shakespeare quote? Though?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Not to be I don't know, not to be zodiac?
Speaker 4 (34:30):
That is?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, I'm left again with more questions than answers. And again,
maybe this is somebody portraying themselves as Miss Vanerak when
they're technically somebody else, and that's why they're not reaching
out to me in order to have these discussions or
let me know who they are. I've found this over
the years since I've been doing this, that people will
pop in. They usually come in incognito or anonymous. They
(35:00):
don't really want to tell me who they are. They
drop a bit of information off on me and a
lot of times it's good information and it's led me
to that next lead or that next communication. But that
could be the likes of Ms.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Vannerak.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
So if she does reach out to me after covering
these two answer any of these questions, we'll do some
follow up in the future. And that brings us to
September one, nineteen eighty four. Laura Ann Miller. She was
abducted from a convenience store. Tim Miller receives an anniversary
I call it the anniversary finale letter. If you've heard
(35:33):
me talk about this letter, I started with it in
the very beginning of this entire presentation when I started
the podcast almost three years ago, and we're going to
be seeing it in two thousand and five as it
plays into the whole entire scheme of things chronologically. And
today we're just going to talk a little bit about
our experience with Tim Miller, the death of his daughter,
(35:55):
and we're going to see the letters, so we'll try
to get through as much of that as we can.
It says all the bodies were Let me start with.
Tim Miller receives that anniversary letter in September of two
thousand and five, before two thousand and six. That six
that letter goes missing. That to me is very scary.
So to lose evidence in a major cold case inside
(36:17):
of a year is kind of astounding. Then to have
it actually pop up on the internet, not in just
the original version that Tim Miller had received, but also
in a secondary version where it appears as though somebody
tempted to trace the cutouts in writing. So I had
two versions, one of which he had never seen before.
(36:38):
Some of the background in the League City Field of
Stars or Deaths, as they refer to this particular area
in the crime scene in the Galveston area of Texas,
it says all the bodies were laid out in a
circle under trees, nude and laid out on their backs
with their arms crossed over their chests. So this is
how the victims were found. And that's what you were
(37:00):
talking about, Harriet, about decoding the forensic evidence and the
way that they were positioned, posed and laid out. We
saw this in the occ case. This is how the
children were posed in that crime as well. They were
and then arms crossed across their chest. So why they
didn't put these two together, I guess again it's going
to be about time. I want to say that the
(37:20):
link analysis detective that I spoke with said that this
didn't come about. This idea or concept of link analysis
didn't come about until literally the nineties, and they called
it like a link analysis of blindness. Basically because of
proximity being so far away, time span being so distant
in between, that people didn't naturally put these things together.
(37:42):
And that was in art that they were training for
in the nineties. And when he became a link analysis detective,
it says she was last seen using a payphone at
a convenience store. This is the same same store as Fhi.
By the way, Heidi.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Five was real by.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, yeah, I think you're right, Heidi Villareal Fi. Either way,
some of the sightings of the individuals that were, you know,
stopping to help people on the road, they stated that
they were dressed almost as if they were officers or
a security guard, so they were obviously in whatever type
of clothing that or suits like a security guard would wear.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
And we know that during this time frame.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Jack was actively acting as a security guard in fact
for Hewlett Packard, so him having access. So it really
just boils down to when we talk about all this evidence,
and Jack fits it so well. He was in the
Air Force, had access to air Wingwalker's shoes that were
in the Zodiac cases during the time of these I
forty five murders is actively a security guard and has
(38:54):
access to that type of clothing, the vehicles being similar
to the sightings of vehicles in these cases. There's just
so many things that link Jacket's unreal Let's see, so Jack,
I didn't find out until Tim Miller came out to
visit us, but Jack actually had friends in the next
zip code to Tim Miller that is consistent with the
(39:15):
zip code from which the letter is sent in two
thousand and five and was mailed out of Texas. This
friend had a daughter named Krystal, and that Krystal eventually
ended up being Jack's youngest son, Charles's girlfriend for many years.
I don't believe they're still together anymore today, but they
were together at the time that Tim Miller came out
(39:36):
to visit us. They were still dating at that point
in time, so they had been dating for well at
least probably since the two thousand and five era till
whenever they broke up after two thousand and nine, when
I got involved with the case. I do have the
links to the images from image Shack in regards to
(39:56):
the letter. So the top one is the image of
the letter that was actually cut and pasted out of
a magazine, just like many of the communications that we've seen.
It was written to Tim Miller in two thousand and
five by someone hiding it says behind the name. Oh,
this was sent to me by somebody hiding behind the
name Sad Badge via emails two year ten. Yeah, Sad
(40:17):
Badge sent these to me. And so the second one
is actually website to the I forty five Murders where
you will view all of these different victims that we
have listed down here that are still currently unsolved murders today.
To the right, I have a picture of Laura and
(40:37):
is it Laura Ann? But it almost looks like that,
says Laura Lynn Miller. Maybe it does say Anne, Laura
Ann Miller. Anyways, yeah, Laura Lynn. But even the dates
is nineteen eighty six, Do I have her in the
wrong contact?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
That's when they That's when they found her remains.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
And oh gotcha.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
September tenth, nineteen eighty four, when she was gone.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
September first, nineteen eighty four, okay, And then February second,
nineteen eighty six, almost two years basically or a little
over two years basically too.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Found her remains.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
And of course I believe that her remains were found
on property owned by Abel, correct.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I think, though, But it's an old it's an old
Phillips sixty six pumping jack station. That's when I got there.
That was okay. That helped solve a whole bunch of
other forty five cases. All the evidence there, and whoever
(41:45):
placed her there knew how to do this and placed
her next to other victims or approximately twenty twenty feet
from another victim, and was actually telling a horrible story.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Well, in many of these victims, many of these victims
that were buried here, they found additional hands and bones
of other victims inside the grave. So as if the
perpetrator returned to the grave where he buried one body
and then dumped off hands from another victim head here
and in the in the mob concept of things and
(42:19):
trying to prevent an identification from being made, separating the
hands in the head would would stall that investigation in
order to figure out who it was they had there
that was dead, which would prolong the ability to actually
connect that back to the actual murderer. So the misplacing
of these bones, We've seen it happened wet in the
Santa Rose hitchhiker murders. We've seen it happen here in
(42:41):
the fort five, and we've seen in different different don
alas exactly and.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
The parts and playing it out and when you see
it from an aerial view is actually telling a story.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
And I want to say that when I was looking
at some of these suspects going through these cases, the
head or scholl of one victim would be found even
states away. Now they wanted to throw down with maybe
a coyote traveled that far, but I would have to
assume that even coyotes kind of have like their area
where they stay in. You know, they're not gonna Ooh,
I found a school. Let me run to Colorado. Some
(43:23):
things don't sound logical either way. I wanted to cover
some background information. Let's see here. So on February thirteenth
of twenty twenty two, Tim Miller actually calls me out
of the blue. Oh, let's back this up. Tim Miller
came to visit Dennis and I in I want to
say twenty ten, after I had basically i'd say, deciphered
(43:48):
the communication that was sent to him. I believe that
it was a finale letter where the Zodiac was taking
credit for all the crimes that he had committed, the
Phantom murders, such as Texarcana Phantom.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
The I forty five.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
He's talking about the eighties series, so evidently there's two
different series of murders that occur a both the eighties
and seventies. And wrapping all of that information up around
what I knew about the Zodiac, I reached out to
Tim Miller and I sent him my work and.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Said that I think we need to speak.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
He almost immediately contacted me and then came in with
Steph Watts, which was his producer and filmer, while we
went through Jack's sheds, or at least they were Tennis's
sheds now at this point, but we were going through
Jack's stuff that Dennis had been hauling around with him
and storing for many years. And one of the things
that Tim Miller had indicated is that there was no
(44:40):
way that Jack could have been the author of this
letter because it was mailed out of Texas within the
zip code range near Tim Miller and that Jack was
not known to be in Texas in two thousand and five,
but on a visit where Dennis went to hang out
with Tim Miller, they went to go look for some
evidence that was left at Jack's aunt's house. She had
(45:03):
some boxes of his belongings at one point in time.
She did, unfortunately, eventually end up getting rid of them.
She may not have understood what that meant to Jack,
because Jack showed up in two thousand and five wanting
these boxes back, only to find out that she'd gotten
rid of them because he had not been around in
so many years that she didn't feel like she was
just going to keep hoarding or keeping hold of this stuff,
and she dumped it.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
So this place is and she.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Places Jack in Texas in September of two thousand and
five to retrieve those boxes. And of course we just
talked about his relation to the zip code right next
to Tim Miller, which is the zip code in which
the letter was mailed out of to Tim Miller. There's
so many connections here, it's unreal. At one point in time,
(45:47):
I had literally sat down and gone through all of
the pictures that Jack had taken while in Texas. Because
I had stated he visited home a lot. Nearly every holiday,
he would make it home to see Mom. And these
pictures all revolved around solved murders and deaths that occurred
during those times, and I could actually relate every single
picture to the I forty five unsolved murdered list. I
(46:08):
want to say there was about nineteen twenty five murder victims,
and I had a picture that placed Jack in Texas
during all of these times. Those pictures went missing while
Tim Miller and Steph Watts were at my house. One second,
they were on my pool table with all the evidence
that we had pulled out of Jack's stuff, and then
a fight ensued because Tim Miller and I think it
(46:30):
was Steph Watts actually told me that Jack wanted to
sell or sorry, Dennis wanted to sell them the IDs
of the victims. So evidently Dennis had told us for many,
many years that he had all the IDs from these victims.
I don't know if that information is true and that
all their ideas were ever missing. That's not something that
you see in these cases when they released the information
(46:51):
on it. But that infuriated me because I wasn't in
this to sell things. I wasn't in this to make things.
I'm here, I am working for free, basically doing this case,
and to hear that caused me to question Dennis. Dennis
got upset with me because now I don't trust him
and I'm questioning him, and he never said this to
Steph Watson, Tim Miller. I don't know if that I'll
(47:12):
ever figure out the truth of this matter. Either way,
when that fight ensued, we both separated out of that room,
leaving all the evidence on that table. When we came
back in to go over it, those pictures were gone.
Speaker 5 (47:23):
I was no longer able to establish a pattern of
Jack being in Texas.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Without them, and I did not have them scanned into
my system at that point in time. I think that's
probably what preempted me at that point to start scanning
every single piece of evidence that Dennis brought me that
belonged to Jack, and I would have him bring me
tubs of Jack's paperwork, which is how I walked through
Jack's life in this presentation. Either way, I was very
(47:49):
very sound on the fact that this is the zodiac.
And then I guess Tim Miller had his own suspect
this gentleman over here to the right. Clyde Heddrick, he
believes was involved with the oil industry and what they
referred to as superfudge in his letter, he believed mentor
(48:09):
tied back to barrels or oil drums of sludge that
was pulled and categorized, kind of like the anthrax strains
at Arizona University. That way they could tell if somebody
else piped into somebody's rights and started pulling the stuff,
the oil from underground, they can cross compare that with
those barrels to see whether or not that person had
the rights to that particular oil. And he believed this,
(48:31):
Clyde Hedrick. But you can see this guy up here.
He's got no teeth. He doesn't look like he's well
to do at all.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
He's so dumb. Okay, when I got intends to do
with Robert abel and very intelligent people, this guy is
so dumb. He doesn't even know where the moon is
in the sky. His mind was just not there. So
for Tim Miller to say, Okay, I'm going to go
for a civil lawsuit against this guy, and when.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
It doesn't make sense to get it nothing. Yeah, he
did a wrongful death suit. But in twenty fourteen, and
he won that for an amazing amount of money, which
we're going to have to We're going to have to
climb into this information later because we are now down
to our last thirty seconds about But we will pick
up where we left off next week in the Laura
(49:18):
Miller case and more information about Tim Miller and his
happenstances in my life, in Dennis's life, and him actually
calling me back in twenty twenty two to see if
I really believe that Jack was the zodiac.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
So I would like to know.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Sign off now, tell everybody thank you guys for both
being here. Everybody have a great weekend and we will
see you next Friday.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Bye bye, happy weekend.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
Everybody next Friday. Every good
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Zing zam
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