July 25, 2025 • 50 mins
Stenographic codes, anagrams, and grill ciphers are some of the methods the Zodiac Killer used to deliver messages. Chris Hopkins of the FBI indicated that the Zodiac encrypted messages of deeds to come. The FBI FOIA files indicate that they looked at different methods of encryption, so it is not too far fetched that other messages exist. I believed that the reason for writing the news syndicates have another purpose and the Zodiac killed to get those messages in the papers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
Today we're going to be discussing the solves, the ins
and outs of the systems that are used, and answer
many questions in regards to the information that Harriet Soousche
believes is being relayed. So I'd like to start by
(01:13):
bringing to the show Harriet Soousche, good morning, Good morning,
how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I got a new anyways I'm doing? This is going
to be good, good show.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
You got a new scarf because you stopped and our
radio listeners would not know what you meant if they're
not watching the video.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It is cute.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I like it, and I see we both got the
memo and colored today.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So this is one of my favorite shirts. It says coffee,
hustle wine. Repeat.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
That's good. Well, we left off last week and we
didn't quite finish it, but I had so many questions
before we were even finished that I thought it was
going to be worthy of revisiting. Good morning, Nolan. We
are going to be going over the crack proof solve
(02:12):
of the October nineteen eighty seven Zodiac letter, which we
started last week, and of course you got cut off,
Nolan when you asked a question. So we're going to
actually take this one step by step, get some answers
to this entire system and solve that Harriet has, including
the information that's in it. So I think it's going
to relate to a lot of history that you're probably
(02:34):
familiar with. So I'm glad you were here today. So basically,
you have compiled a solve, and that is what is
on my screen right now, and it encompasses now. I
do see that we have some stamps over to the right,
but I believe these stamps you indicated were from other
communications and not necessarily from the nineteen eighty seven letter,
(02:56):
or do I have that incorrect?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
If I did the math. Actually, once I realized that
the other half of the stamps was because there's the big,
oh commemorative stamp with the flag flag over Capitol Hill,
et cetera. Anyways, I did the math. It would cost
the four seventeen p which is pennies a pence, and
(03:22):
then the two twenty two cents American to send that overseas.
So it looks like Jack and his crew had got
a because he's being requested. Can you please solve what
might have went over that Randolph Apperson Hurst had sent
over about his father's for Jack the Ripper communications. So
(03:47):
it didn't cost that much, and that's what.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I want to start with. You believe that it was
mailed to the United States from overseas.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
No, it was mailed from according to the salt that
I came up, which is large anyways, that it was
actually coming from a section of Canada that they're very
familiar with, which is so in Labrador North North something anyways,
(04:17):
but that it went from there. Okay, it went from
America to there and then overseas. And it's a postal
code of one A, which I said, why I knew
about this when I started doing these, when I did
some of the early envelopes that had the postal code
of one A, but also San Francisco, et cetera, with
(04:39):
that associated Balaoe nine five four nine zero zip code
that envelope, So that was that was the hint there
that they had a connection all those years earlier, and
Jack knew about this.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So this letter was purportedly mailed to Balao Police department.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, when you look closely at the zip code, it
has a postal code for a place in Canada. And
I thought, okay, this is going to have something to
do with the future of dB Cooper coming soon in
a year or so after that sixty nine ish, So.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Can you how can you tell what the postal code
is because it looks awfully blurry to me.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Oh no, it's not there. Well, well, on the original
on this one, which is really tiny time California, et cetera,
where you have the regular envelope, it has the postal code,
it has San Francisco zip code. But this is all
manufactured from nineteen sixty eight sixty nine. But there's a
(05:49):
postal code of one A in there. And I know
about this from years ago, and I said, oh, okay,
I'm just adding in so that when I did the
Baleale Times and calif. The whole thing is I was
very early twenty twenty getting these, and so the postal
(06:10):
code is in there if you get a larger envelope.
But they're saying that this was not only that postal code,
but probably two times postal stamp. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So who's they when you refer to they are saying
that it's a one ad together that's on the screen.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
They're saying that that has the same information a lot
of it that's very close to the July thirty first,
nineteen sixty nine envelope.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
So and now I'm looking to get the question answered.
Who is they?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You said, the Orange Jack and his crew, the ones
who have this at their their Zodiac ciphers sites. And
I believe also Zodiac Killer Facts used to have something
like this. A lot of people that were definitely against
Dennis and us. But but anyways, that's why I'm referring
(07:09):
to us today. You'll find this at their sights.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So Zodiac Skipher's.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Let's cut to the jase. Let's get to the Yeah,
John sat because he's bringing up about John Sarat.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I get that everybody wants to chomp at the bit
and get to the salt and the realism of this
entire thing is that I have to understand how the
mechanics of this works. So does the audience. I mean,
anybody could spit out and say I got this message,
but we have to understand how you obtained this message
and the information that was used in order to generate
(07:44):
the message. So uh go to So basically, what you're
saying is that zodiacsniphers dot com is affiliated with ORANGEHAC
and they have indicated that it stated there was a
one A postal code on it.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
No, no, I found it on some of the earlier envelopes.
And this point where you have where I circle it
in blue, that's from twenty twenty that I did the
entire envelope, but it was very early. But I found
the postal code of one A, which is.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Well, that's a different envelope.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
No, that's that's the same. Please rush your editor, et
cetera the ZIP code. And so that's when they were
talking about this.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Okay, you're talking about this one.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Here you can see when I'm pointing it, so.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
You're talking about the one in the left hand corner.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
They're saying that the same.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
What you circled in blue that's not the code we're
working on. That's not the letter we're working on. We're
working on the Lilac envelope.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, and they're saying that the same the same ZIP
code information that's on the Balale Times, Balao, California, et cetera,
h is on that on that envelope.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Okay, so that's figure out.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And I said, I said, my god, it has the
one A in there. Anyways, let's keep.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Going, all right, So basically this you used the information
that was embedded in the stamps, if you will, the
information that was on the envelope, and the letter itself
in order to compile this particular solve.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, and it was actually surprisingly easy. I was thinking
it's going to take a couple of weeks, but I
already had done the Ripper stuff, so this was like
one two three. But it was a long, long solve
that it took up several days to get nice and neat.
But still I was amazed.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
So there's some things that I that's some of the
questions that I had. So you just mentioned the Jack
the Ripper solves, and that William or Randolph, William Randolph
Hurst's son is requesting the zodiac to decode.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's saying that that there's information that William Randal the
Son had sent these over at least force four of
the letters to the United Kingdom which went into their
their files, and so he's now deceased in the year
(10:29):
two thousand. R A. Hearst and that this is a
request coming from according to the decode that is from
the Bush family. So both President Bush first and President
Bush the second, and there were the ones that if
(10:50):
you can decode this okay.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So one of the things that you mentioned in this
is that the School in Bones Society, yes cipher system right.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
It's mostly a stenographic code system that involves anagramming, and
it's usually some words that are really odd looking embedded
into the letters, and I'm familiar with that, but I
was seeing it also in eighteen eighty eight, the same system.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Okay. So my question is why if Bush and them
are are members of Skull and Bone Society, wouldn't they
know this system.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Apparently, I'm going to say, they're too bleeping them to
understand how to do this, So they're asking Jack to
do it. I don't know how, because I just can't
imagine the Bush family sitting down their decoding stuff. It
looks like they requested the expert to decode it for them,
That's what I'm seeing.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
But if the Zodiac is using it, and they're capable
of ciphering or solving the Zodiac's messages, and he's using
the system that supposedly was used on the Jack the
Ripper messages, wouldn't they once again already have the method
to decode these messages.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I think that they were possibly taught it or understood
it to some degree and recognized it when they've seen
it in a in a letter. But we're not that
that mental capacity like Jack was Jack was. Jack apparently
did this in this I would say, even in his sleep.
So they asked him to if he could find the
(12:32):
code keys. He needed to find the code keys to
do these and so he's a expert that was blown
away by this.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
So then that leads me to the next question, because
obviously we're you're stating that this is in two thousand
and five, that this facsimile is coming across. If he
was asked to crack this in October nineteen eighty seven,
why did it take till two thousand and five for
him to submit.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I'm getting that it was actually since Bush the second
is now the president, that is coming from him, which
the circa two thousand and two thousand and one when
he's going to be the president.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So he's and he wants to know what the Jack
the Ripper codes.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, so just be here, you know, And they're not
the ones who are experts at at doing this receiving
and sending. Jack did it what forty fifty years but
he had to find the code keys though.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
So are you not believing that this was legitimately mailed
in October of nineteen eighty seven?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Absolutely, that's just the ald code. It was somehow stent a
certain way. But it is saying that it's a Lilac
colared envelope, which is actually brown, and that was all
Now by two thousand and five, Jack is trying to say,
I think I got this. The Wylac penny stamp was
on those Jack the Ripper communications. And I.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Don't discount the ability to use postal stuff since this
is government, you know, it seems to all be wrapping
around government politics, and you know, Gates having access to
these types of things, I'm not going to say is
without question. Because we have the nineteen eighty six letter
which was withheld from us. This letter appears to also
(14:24):
have been withheld until a much later date. Also there
is the Christmas card that we know is postpark nineteen ninety,
but purportedly was not received or found until two thousand
and seven, and their pavement. Their statement is is that
somebody misplaced it and it sat on a shelf, which
I find extremely hard to believe, especially since the Zodiac
(14:47):
case was such a hot topic and made so much
money for the newspapers. It's a great story. Why would
you hide this thing from nineteen ninety until two thousand
and seven, unless, of course it was mailed at a
much later day but postmarked backwards or backdated to nineteen
ninety in order to complete some message that he was
(15:08):
attempting to get out. So I do understand that there
is some room for play in there.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
All I know is, but I've learned even doing to
check the Ripper stuff is they were sending images on
the wires, and they were creating fact similes of them,
especially by eighteen eighty eight. So this is an image.
This is a modern image. Apparently Jack is saying to
use the zeros copy machine and set that across, so
(15:36):
he's trying to get it. He's trying to tell them
that he was able to practice and send the image
the way it is across.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
And we do see, we do see in some of
your older movies them using the copy machine as a
fax machine exactly. It is reproduced, yes, and the copy
machine was hooked up to the telephone lines long before
we were capable of doing that with our all in
one systems. So what makes you think that it's a
fac simile.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Well, he's saying that he sent the fact simile as
in a more of a fact, so that this was
being sent on the on the wires and on the lines,
and as I was finishing up and wrapping up what
was I knew making sense to Oh my god, he's
saying that he used Dennis Koffman's AOL America Online password
(16:31):
to get some of this information. But that would be
again sending information on the wire using modern computers. But
there was limited colored data for these particular the one
letter that he was trying to decode, which was true.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Okay, all right, so let's go ahead and start by
reading this particular message. I've got the first third of
it up and we're going to take it a third
at a time so that we can address the questions
that I might have in regards to what this message
is purportedly relaying. So go ahead, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
It's just saying April second, two thousand and five, President
George H. W. Bush and son President George W. Bush
facsimile as in facts to six thirty four zero zero PM.
All the numbers are in there anyways, Eastern time. His
holiness the totis tuist nine nine nine Pope, which is
(17:31):
the reverse of sixty sixty six. By the way, it
means he's very holy died. And he's saying, I'm mad again,
Please UBI use remedium where's the remedy? His head is
exploding AA alcoholics anonymous, and then he's calming down because
he knows he's now working for Bush. He's saying, I'm
(17:55):
on a mission NASA, God damn bleepin effer people get
read it anyways to die, I'm to gut him. He
said that multiple times, and some decodes I got. Anyways,
He's to gut him. July fourteenth, two thousand and five,
and b NSF, which is Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad,
(18:16):
is to run Robert abelbody over which did happen? Anyways?
Regarding your request on three four oh five, my answer
is this way I sent July thirty first, nineteen sixty nine,
or RA which is ran off Apperson Hurst the big
news story that they were just starting plugged by the
(18:38):
media newspapers. Please rest you editor, and the editor at
the time for Baloe Times Herald was George Henningson. So
whenever I seen please rush the editor. You're supposed to
fill in who the editor is the name anyways, Zodiac
letters Balale Times Herald, Valao caliph abbreviation ninety four or
(19:01):
five nine zero envelope you were asking, yes, I can't
crack or A said October nineteen eighty seven. Those those
four it's four letters that were sent across that end
up mysteriously in the United Kingdom nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Well, and we do have some some letters that we
do believe that are mailed from outside of the country,
such as Malaysia, Thailand. We saw some fake anthrax that
was purportedly mailed, almost as if to say the individual
who had made the attack here in the United States
had then left the country and perpetrated similar acts in
(19:42):
other areas. Either as a copycat or to deter them
from looking for that individual here in the United States.
So it's a three part letter on the July thirty first,
nineteen sixty nine, then contained the four toh eight three
parts cipher and one went to San franci Cisco Chronicle,
one to the San Francisco Examiner, and one to the
(20:03):
Valeo Times Herald. So so far this message is actually
matching up with the fact that the October nineteen eighty
seven letter is also mailed to the Valeo Times Herald,
and we have the other two parts being mailed to
newspapers that are owned by Are they still the San
Francisco Chronicle and the Examiner still owned by Hurst in
two thousand, two thousand and.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
One, I think by two thousand and one, I think
it was the Hearst and the Chronicle papers, but they
I think joined the other one out. I'm trying to
remember so.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
But in sixty nine they were for sure still owned
by Hearst.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
They were doing they were having to work together on
the weekends where because that was in San Francisco. As
a kid, you had a massive Sunday newspaper, So they
were working together just they were two separate entities that
they were joined one point.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So this message is basically saying that the newspapers had
the ability to crack these messages.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Correct, Yeah, the stuff that I'm saying, Yeah, they were
able to send a lot of images on the wires
back and forth. And Jack is saying that they were
using this especially by nineteen sixty eight, sixty nine, mainly
sixty nine for a couple of years that there was
messages being said back and forth, and it was in code,
(21:28):
and some of it was I know, know what's got
a name Skull and Bone Society centargraphic code.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
So and I stumbled on Skull and Bones Society quite
some time ago in regards to my research. Which funny
that your messages are yielding that type of information when
my research led me in that direction at one point
in time as well. And of course it's saying that
the big news story plugged by the media newspapers. Obviously,
(21:58):
once again, this is some attempt to make money for
the newspapers because sending these messages out and them selling
the millions of newspapers they did because everybody wanted their
hands on the latest, you know, greatest information in regards
to the Zodiac probably made this a very wanted article
(22:18):
that they had put out. So let's see, Yes, I
can crack ra sent October nineteen eighty seven. So he's
stating that he sent the October nineteen eighty seven, stating
that that's.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
First quietly sent and I'm understanding this for Jack the
Ripper letters that his father had that was and them. Yeah,
so he's quietly sending them to the United Kingdom for
their records. But they wanted to. It's looking like they
(22:57):
wanted to know what was in them, which was very
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
So all right, so onto the next slide. Then here
we have the second of three parts to your solve.
Go ahead and you read that one for us.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
It's saying it's at the Sentinel of eighteen eighty seven events,
but it's in a brown envelope, and at that website
they do have a picture of it as a brown envelope.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Anyways, from so, you're not talking about the Lilac envelope
was really brown. You're talking about the you're talking older.
You're talking about the Jack the Rippers envelope was.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
The one that allegedly or a cent was in a
brown envelope. A pretty good sized envelope with those stamps,
which would cost a couple of dollars anyways. Sometimes remember
so it's from one A this North Saint John's Newfoundland, Canada,
which has to do with Johnson by the way to England,
(24:02):
Great Britain with four Royal mail seventeen p I believe
that's seventeen penny or seventeen pence stamps anyways, two sideways
nineteen eighty five booklet pain perforations fourteen by fifteen. He's
pausing because he's having trouble breathing thirty millimeter and forty
(24:23):
one millimeter with two twenty two cents. Frank J. Wasslick
stamps flag over Capitol Hill, which they were large. Anyways,
please focus on the blurry three hundred and fiftieth anniversary stamp.
He's trying to make a point. You know you need
to focus on those anyways, has historic first adhees of
(24:44):
stamp reference eighteen thirty seven Queen Victoria image use for
eighteen forty historic first anyways, and then has dropping off
Bureau of Printing and Engraving booklet pain Frank Woslick. Today
I sent proof I can crack Randolph Apperson, Herst's father,
William Randolph Hurst. Jack the Ripper letters I sent both
(25:09):
pac simile of nineteen seventy eight Zodiac earon letter was
similar standard graphic code found in Jack the Ripper communications
of postcard and letters. Dear Editor, Jack the Ripper was
taunting the editors anyways, Zodiac printing knight spelled. I think
(25:30):
some of the Jack Ripper letters have knight spelled that way. Anyways,
VPD dash zero Jack the Ripper was taunting the police
same thing, catch me if can, Yes, it's a Jack
the Ripper phrase guess I believe is also a Jack
the Ripper word like ha ha ha ha, I can't
buy me, that's the question. So it's missing the punktus
(25:51):
and carogative symbol now known as question mark. They didn't
in eighteen eighty eight. They didn't call it a question mark,
but when there was a question it meant punktus interrogator
Latin anyways, And the letter is missing exclamation marks, just
like JAF the Ripper ones. So he's saying that yes,
(26:12):
he's very familiar with this coded system. He can crack
the CODs and he.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Has okay, and so William randolph Hurst. How did he
become in possession of Jack the Ripper letters?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Do you, from what I'm understanding, by doing these I've
got now I don't know fifteen of them done. He
had caught his attention, and I was wondering also because
he's receiving messages from John Sarat Junior that this is
happening and there's a search for hemophilia cure, but they're
(26:50):
going after some victims. Anyways, I found out after a
couple of weeks that William Randolph Hurst was a leader also,
and he's the grandson of somebody from the region where
I believe Catherine Eddos came from. So it's kind of attention.
He's interested and from what I'm understanding, since he had
(27:13):
this disorder, he would like to have the cure too,
and he's getting information about this all the way in
New York and then also the San Francisco because he's
got a couple of newspapers and he's only twenty two.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Now, when did William randolph Hurst run the newspapers or.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
He's running the ones on the East coast and also
the West coast, but it's mainly San Francisco Examiner. But
he's also had the New York Journal and I believe
another one. So he was in New York but mostly
San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Right, he was a Zodiac or I'm sorry, the Jack
the Ripper happened overseas in another country, so for him
to come up. And don't get me wrong, these people
can get their hands on anything they want. We've seen,
you know, priceless pieces of arts that have been stolen
and wind up in some rich person's you know, museum
(28:10):
in their house undetected. So and we've seen the Zodiac letters,
you know, make it out of the evidence room and
into the hands of people that it didn't belong in.
And then we see other people presenting us with letters
that nobody's ever seen before and we have no clue
where they've come from. So it sounds to me like
what he maybe either why would he have purchased them
(28:33):
or wanted them if he wasn't erstanding.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, these were created, These were created, coded missives that
look like letters, but their photograh viewer and they're saying
all those Jack the Rippert letters right now that they
thought were real or photograh viewers. So and you can
make the photograph viewer after you sent some code morse code,
although we across the wires the the Continental Telegraph system,
(29:03):
because send an image like this across all the way
to New York, and somebody was there creating it, making
it look like it's a letter, mailing it across all
the way to the European area, mainly England, and then
that person got the system and the newspapers are literally
telegraphing each other the images.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
So well, I know Jack was definitely using a fax.
I have a picture of Cindy Crawford, and I'm not
sure what the year is on that. I might have
to go back and see if I can determine based
on his facts where he was literally sending pictures of
Cindy Crawford by facts, and I'm not sure if it
was to Dennis or he sent it to himself, or
(29:45):
how it ended up in Jack's belongings. And I attributed
to being something that Jack had. But we know that
he has been using computers and faxes and teletype machines
and all of the latest technology that occurred during the
those eras he had access to or the actual machines
in his possession long before anybody else did. Okay, so
(30:10):
William randolph Hurst was the one that had the hemophilia.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, he apparently was a bleeder, and so does it
look like some of these victims were possibly bleeders. And
it looks like Catherine Edos plays a main role role
in this and she's otherwise known as nothing. So when
he found Jack found the same phrase nothing, that was
(30:34):
actually Catherine Eddos. But it's something that I think really
interested him, and he William randolf Hurst made several trips
to London eighteen eighty seven I think it is, and
definitely eighteen eighty eight, So he's got a connection, a
big connection.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
So if nobody knew that these were coded message messages
in regards to Himaphila or the attempt to discover a
cure for humophelia, how would he know that these messages
or these letters from Jack the Ripper were containing that
type of information.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
He's a School in Bone Society member.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
He knows the code, so he knows the code. It's
the bushes that didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Ye. So and I'm finding out that some of the
people in the newspapers in London also knew the code,
especially some of the people involved with the Jack the
Ripper cases. So they had infiltrated that and was sending
the information back to William Randolph First, who had a
(31:42):
different interest. He was an interest in selling papers. It's
something I think I'm figured it out. He was very
concerned he would like to have the cure.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
And so I don't think Hurst graduated from Yale. I
think you dropped out to get into the newspaper's business.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well, he's definitely. I had to look it up. I said,
I had to do a double take. I already knew this,
but I said, does he really know this? CoSystem? He
scholl in Bone Society one on one. I said he was.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
And I'm just saying that he didn't graduate.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
He dropped out early.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
He ran publications while they're at school, in college, and
he liked it so much, and he didn't really care
for his studies that much. But I guess he was
involved in Skull and Bones and so, yeah, you're saying
that he knows the cook he probably does.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah. Yeah, he would know how to send reviewers too,
because he was running the papers. He knew how to
send message what is it? Eighteen sixty eighteen seventy. They
were sending back similes fac s. The word was broken up.
But they knew how to do that then. So by
the time he got the newspaper system, I mean he
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was doing it. He knew how to send messages with
images in the newspapers all across the telegraph wires. Oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
And who is this nothing person?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Nothing is alias of Catherine Eddos And she's the main
person that they were going after for her kidney from
what I'm saying, to get this hemophilia cure.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
And was she one of the victims of Jack the Ripper?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, and now so he's got a big connection William
Randall persons. I think it's starts out as a misunderstanding,
like he's involved with this through the coded missus being exchanged.
But he you would like to have the.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Cure, gotcha? Yeah, well, I guess any hemophiliac would love
to have the cure leading to death. Is not your
idea based on a small paper cut of what somebody
wants to die from? Yeah, all right, so here's part three.
Go ahead and read that.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Okay, saying the zodiac symbol of ross circle also has
code keys and ciphers. So he's trying to tell him,
remember me, I'm the guy, Yes, I can do this,
and then it's he's interjecting in there. Oh FYI to
tell the truth of his fourties tttt. Anyways, I also
(34:21):
provided set my DNA on the Robert gray Smith envelope,
the Holming card envelope in the adhesive. He's making a
point here by the time of the twentieth and twenty
first century, that's not a big deal. But the Queen
Victoria was the first person ever on it. And he's
a stamp. Anyways, earth where I stamp. I xerox copied
(34:45):
my printing of the nine for nine five zero. I
can't read that anyways, bialo hellip envelope. He's a breathing
ana for a reason. But anyways, did and I react
Jim is very He's making it very pertinent. Yet, yes,
I'm the ZODIACU. I always abbreviated things a certain way. Anyways,
(35:09):
Using a Lilac color paper for to prove I can
crack the circa eighteen eighty eights Wilac Penny stamp R
aharst Father's w R. Hurst Jack the Ripper letters sent
to Scott Lanyard, care of Queen Elizabeth again, sent October
(35:29):
nineteen eighty seven via CIA. This blew my mind when
this came out, and an IBM PC four forty computer.
I believe Dennis had that using my tt Tattletale Dennis
Kaufman America Online account. He had American Online Anyways identification
and based on very limited IBM colored data of the
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October first, eighteen eighty eight Saucy Jackie postcard photograph viewer,
which that's only what they have. I had luck if
Dennis wasn't life today and he found out that Jack
secretly used his ification and Jack was still alive, I
know exactly what Dennis would be doing. He'd be selling
(36:15):
with his big eight thousand dollars guitar and get the
money and get a couple of drivers and go drive
back east to go knock the shit out of them.
And it will currently be one of the drivers.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
So the Halloween card was sent to Avery, Paul Avery.
So what is the Robert Graysmith Halloween card?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh, he was saying that he was actually a lot
of that was meant for Robert Graysmith. And the stamp,
the earth Rise stamp, which is that he's of. He
said he sent the JFK microfilm things pictures or whatever.
The the the a friend of Danis Joplin who took
(37:02):
some certain pictures at the NASA autopsy. So but he's
saying that he licked that stamp, and he's I think
everybody in the Grandmother agrees that it seems to be
the only real document pertaining to Zodiac is that envelope
and the stamp and the card. So he's definitely saying
(37:23):
that he had linked that he left his DNA on that.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Now, this wouldn't be the first time that there were
claims of DNA being sent. Of course, we saw in
the Tom Poyt letters in two thousand and so this
is following if this letter is truly being facsimilid in
two thousand and two thousand and one, this is shortly
before the two thousand and two and two thousand and
three letters to Tom Voight, where again that the Zodiac
(37:50):
is attempting to state he has sent his DNA. So
this would I mean, we know that the Zodiac loved
to repeat himself in some of the communications as to
his acts or what he's done. So if he's saying
in two thousand and one, I've sent my DNA, you
can find it under this particular stamp, then he turns
around and re sends it again to Tom Voyd. Obviously
(38:12):
he's trying to impress upon people that he is the
real deal, and he's rest to gotcha and photog reviewer.
Can you explain that I've heard you say it a
couple of times.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I read try to understand it. But it's where, let's
pretend I'm creating this using a quilt pan the ink
and stuff on the paper, and I'm literally like an
art form because it is very artistic looking, and I'm
writing it out. Somebody would be taking, with the nineteenth
(38:49):
century equipment a picture of that, and then it's sent
to I believe a place where it's going to etche
out uh, and it's all done my people, but they're
itching it and they're doing something with it, and then
they're putting the color like it's black ink and they're
(39:10):
actually like reproducing this art form of this letter and
then learn yeah, and then then it's being actually able
to be used in a newspaper. And so what people
were seeing was looking very close to the nineteenth century handwriting.
I'm trying to do it, but it's somebody who's imitated
(39:33):
it and did a fact simile of it or the
newspaper so.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
That it'll be close right, which nobody could ever be
exact or precise.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
This will take a document examiner to know that this
is only ninety nine percent. This is not the.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Author, gotcha? So now this is page two of two.
So this I believe is either is this an explan
nation of it or is this a continuation he's continuing.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
He's continuing that that he's found that he had luck
and he just like I did for me. It was
an educated guest, but he said, I found the code
keys our president, Benjamin Harrison. It's the same school in
bones society code system. I know how to create such code.
(40:23):
Admission by so and he's repeating himself again, So who
was president?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Who was President Benjamin Harrison?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
He was the guy like Nixon of nineteen sixty eight
going to be the next president. He was going to
be the president elect.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
So when was he going to be president?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, he became president, but he was going to be president.
Now think back to nineteen sixty eight and we've done
shows where there's a solber tude that's saying that Nixon
is going to be the president. So he's going to
do the Zodiac it's going to be a big deal
by nineteen sixty nine. This was happening also in eighteen
eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
So oh, so Benjamin Harrison is from eighteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, he's going to be the president by eighteen eighty nine.
He's a shoe in. And so they came up and
the first.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Roosevelt that era, gotcha. Okay, all right, go ahead, keep reading.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
So anyways, it's saying I know how to create such
coded missus by so again I can prac them. Civil
War Lincoln Confederate Secret Service spy John Sarath the second
in messages to William Randolph Hurst. He photographed, viewer printed
both the sp That's why it was so important as
(41:46):
I saw the SPA seventeen for the stamps. Anyways, that's
nineteenth century abbreviation for September seventeenth, eighteen eighty eight sp
September twenty seventh, the eighteen eighty eight. There's two, two
separate ones. One's a postcard, one's a letter. Anyways, he's
(42:07):
saying that something about punctus interrogatorbis has no question mark
simple and there was outprey to question and interrogate, which
was true. The suspects. And then it's say decoded missive
say Detective William Thick, which is true penned. They believe
he pinned the brick wall message a lot of people
(42:30):
and the anyways containing word nothing. It's the Jews of
nothing will be blamed for the Jews of the death.
Is kind of complex anyways, Fred Best signed letters, yours truly,
Jack the Ripper and the Open Saw is one one,
nineteen thirty one. Fred at age seventy one. He decoded
(42:51):
that one, so did I, Young William Randolph. First Everleen
has your head a graved on his walking stick. Commander
commemorating like my Queen. This is phrases that are in
that decoded missive commemorating like Mike Queen eighteen thirty seven.
Visit to London Hope d V which is Dale Valente
(43:13):
God willing that minute and that means tiny Catherine Eddos,
Kidney and wine sent to George Lusk and then Elizabeth
Stride is another victim the Five Gals from eight six,
eighteen eighty eight onward to nine thirty, eighteen eighty eight.
The victims were Pope Leo the thirteenth and doctor J. W.
(43:37):
Legg to Birmingham, England by November eleventh, eighteen eighty eight.
Pure hemophilia. He got the same stuff, By god, my god. Anyways,
the truth is Jack the Ripper is the mayor of
London eighteen eighty eight. Polydor de Kaiser arrest doctor Templete.
There's several Dakota messages I got there demanding him to
(43:59):
be arrested and punked. This punk Thiss interrogator is both
the Kaiser and Tumblet, And doctor Tumblet does get arrested
November eighth, eighteen eighty eight, and post bailed by November sixteenth,
eighteen eighty eight. And he's saying on these messages between
John Sarat and William Randolph Hearth relayed from London location
(44:23):
to San Francisco location, and he's signing off as to
too to John Terrence the second.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Now that was another one of my questions. Why would
he flip and start calling himself John in these messages
instead of Jack. I mean, I know Jack used both
Jack and Joy.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
She didn't want to get confused. So you've got two
president Bushes, You've got two popes in the nineteenth century.
You got another pope that he's dealing with that just died.
You've got I think he didn't want to sign off
as Jack because he already had Jack the Ripper. So
I think he's trying to separate himself. I'm I'm not
(45:01):
that jam So I'm gonna take us.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
I'm gonna take us back a little bit. We've got
a couple of minutes here. But Detective William Thick was
the detective in the Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Definitely.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Let's see here, young w R. Aberlen has your head engraved.
Who's Aberlen?
Speaker 2 (45:21):
He's one of the detectives also, And there is the
walking stick that has the head and it does look
like a very young twenty one year old William Rambo first,
So all right?
Speaker 3 (45:36):
And who is the.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
Brother of Mary?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
No, that's the Sun. That's the Sun.
Speaker 5 (45:45):
And I think Mary was prosecuted in the aftermath of
the Lincoln assassination. Yeagers with John Wilkes smooth and so
is so is tumbletea Tumblety was an allegrical spirit or too.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
But here's the twist. I was wondering, why am I
seeing such a chummy affiliation with John Sarat and what's
going on here? John Harrison Sarat is a Harrison family member.
Of course, Benjamin Harrison is the president coming. But when
you trace Abraham Lincoln's family back to the Revolutionary War, Eric,
(46:24):
he's linked to the Harrison family too, so they're all family.
They're all family. So Johnson such.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
A trad John Wills Booth and Mary Sarat's house after
he fled the scene, because when he jumped from the
balcony or whatever, he broke his leg and he lived,
and they stopped. They stayed at Mary Sarat's house, and
there's allegations that a doctor helped mend him.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
That Okay, it just wouldn't be surprised if it was
doctor Tumbledee. But he's he's in London with this mess,
and that I'm surprised. I'm when I'm picking up is
John Sarat was actually on the side of Lincoln, but
was such a good spy they didn't notice him. But
(47:12):
that's the reason why Lincoln's Lincoln won, because this guy
is he gets them tried. A couple of years later,
they find him in the Papal States and you know,
he's working for the Pope. Like it's amazing, I got
two John's working for the pope are connected to the pope.
He got John Serant and John Darrence the popes anyways.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
And you're saying John Sarat was the spy.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
He's definitely a spy. So he has the owned society
system too. Well, I'd sure like to find some letters
by him right now.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Pope Leo the thirteen was he also a hemophiliac.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
He suffered from something that they said happened to do
with a lot of bleeding, So I think he was
quietly a leader if that's where he got his Trevor from.
They said there was something going on and uh, bleeders
can cost tremors, gotcha, So he'd be interested in the
(48:14):
cure too.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean if you're low, if your blood,
if your blood is low, I'm sure that shakiness is
something that's going to come up and that would create
tremors for sure. Let me see if I have any
other questions. So is there anything else that you would
like to ask? Nolan?
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Not today?
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Okay, Well, here's one of the covers to your I'm
guessing this is your book that you've put out on
the decodes, and you were saying that there was an
individual that also decoded the same things that you were decoded,
who was that.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
It's looking like Fred Best knew how to decode this stuff,
and he's he's not a nice guy. He's threatening. I
got some decodedness of saying that they're threatening to kill
William Randall. First, shut up, stop talking about this stuff.
He's London.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
But you're saying that he decoded similar messages that you
found in this last half or this last paragraph here,
the things like the five gals from eight six, eighteen
eighty eight victims, that would.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Be that's John knew how to code these and decode them,
and William Randall first knew how to from what I'm seeing,
to decode this also, but also to send things in code.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
So we're most of Jackie Rupper's victims prostitutes.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
They're allegs to be prostitutes. Apparently edos may not have
been your typical institutions I think giving information anyway.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
All right, you guys, well we've hit the end here.
I want to thank you Harriet for clearing all of
this up and setting mind on some time type of
a track here. We're going to continue, obviously with this
next week. I want everybody to have a wonderful weekend.
Thank you both again for being here and if there's
any questions you guys, think up or Nolan anything you
want to ask. Next week we will be back at
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this to do too.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Do you do?
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Hey hear you guys. Bye bye
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Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
Today we're going to be discussing the solves, the ins
and outs of the systems that are used, and answer
many questions in regards to the information that Harriet Soousche
believes is being relayed. So I'd like to start by
(01:13):
bringing to the show Harriet Soousche, good morning, Good morning,
how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I got a new anyways I'm doing? This is going
to be good, good show.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
You got a new scarf because you stopped and our
radio listeners would not know what you meant if they're
not watching the video.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It is cute.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I like it, and I see we both got the
memo and colored today.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So this is one of my favorite shirts. It says coffee,
hustle wine. Repeat.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
That's good. Well, we left off last week and we
didn't quite finish it, but I had so many questions
before we were even finished that I thought it was
going to be worthy of revisiting. Good morning, Nolan. We
are going to be going over the crack proof solve
(02:12):
of the October nineteen eighty seven Zodiac letter, which we
started last week, and of course you got cut off,
Nolan when you asked a question. So we're going to
actually take this one step by step, get some answers
to this entire system and solve that Harriet has, including
the information that's in it. So I think it's going
to relate to a lot of history that you're probably
(02:34):
familiar with. So I'm glad you were here today. So basically,
you have compiled a solve, and that is what is
on my screen right now, and it encompasses now. I
do see that we have some stamps over to the right,
but I believe these stamps you indicated were from other
communications and not necessarily from the nineteen eighty seven letter,
(02:56):
or do I have that incorrect?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
If I did the math. Actually, once I realized that
the other half of the stamps was because there's the big,
oh commemorative stamp with the flag flag over Capitol Hill,
et cetera. Anyways, I did the math. It would cost
the four seventeen p which is pennies a pence, and
(03:22):
then the two twenty two cents American to send that overseas.
So it looks like Jack and his crew had got
a because he's being requested. Can you please solve what
might have went over that Randolph Apperson Hurst had sent
over about his father's for Jack the Ripper communications. So
(03:47):
it didn't cost that much, and that's what.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I want to start with. You believe that it was
mailed to the United States from overseas.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
No, it was mailed from according to the salt that
I came up, which is large anyways, that it was
actually coming from a section of Canada that they're very
familiar with, which is so in Labrador North North something anyways,
(04:17):
but that it went from there. Okay, it went from
America to there and then overseas. And it's a postal
code of one A, which I said, why I knew
about this when I started doing these, when I did
some of the early envelopes that had the postal code
of one A, but also San Francisco, et cetera, with
(04:39):
that associated Balaoe nine five four nine zero zip code
that envelope, So that was that was the hint there
that they had a connection all those years earlier, and
Jack knew about this.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So this letter was purportedly mailed to Balao Police department.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, when you look closely at the zip code, it
has a postal code for a place in Canada. And
I thought, okay, this is going to have something to
do with the future of dB Cooper coming soon in
a year or so after that sixty nine ish, So.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Can you how can you tell what the postal code
is because it looks awfully blurry to me.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Oh no, it's not there. Well, well, on the original
on this one, which is really tiny time California, et cetera,
where you have the regular envelope, it has the postal code,
it has San Francisco zip code. But this is all
manufactured from nineteen sixty eight sixty nine. But there's a
(05:49):
postal code of one A in there. And I know
about this from years ago, and I said, oh, okay,
I'm just adding in so that when I did the
Baleale Times and calif. The whole thing is I was
very early twenty twenty getting these, and so the postal
(06:10):
code is in there if you get a larger envelope.
But they're saying that this was not only that postal code,
but probably two times postal stamp. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So who's they when you refer to they are saying
that it's a one ad together that's on the screen.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
They're saying that that has the same information a lot
of it that's very close to the July thirty first,
nineteen sixty nine envelope.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
So and now I'm looking to get the question answered.
Who is they?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You said, the Orange Jack and his crew, the ones
who have this at their their Zodiac ciphers sites. And
I believe also Zodiac Killer Facts used to have something
like this. A lot of people that were definitely against
Dennis and us. But but anyways, that's why I'm referring
(07:09):
to us today. You'll find this at their sights.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So Zodiac Skipher's.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Let's cut to the jase. Let's get to the Yeah,
John sat because he's bringing up about John Sarat.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I get that everybody wants to chomp at the bit
and get to the salt and the realism of this
entire thing is that I have to understand how the
mechanics of this works. So does the audience. I mean,
anybody could spit out and say I got this message,
but we have to understand how you obtained this message
and the information that was used in order to generate
(07:44):
the message. So uh go to So basically, what you're
saying is that zodiacsniphers dot com is affiliated with ORANGEHAC
and they have indicated that it stated there was a
one A postal code on it.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
No, no, I found it on some of the earlier envelopes.
And this point where you have where I circle it
in blue, that's from twenty twenty that I did the
entire envelope, but it was very early. But I found
the postal code of one A, which is.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Well, that's a different envelope.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
No, that's that's the same. Please rush your editor, et
cetera the ZIP code. And so that's when they were
talking about this.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Okay, you're talking about this one.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Here you can see when I'm pointing it, so.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
You're talking about the one in the left hand corner.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
They're saying that the same.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
What you circled in blue that's not the code we're
working on. That's not the letter we're working on. We're
working on the Lilac envelope.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, and they're saying that the same the same ZIP
code information that's on the Balale Times, Balao, California, et cetera,
h is on that on that envelope.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Okay, so that's figure out.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And I said, I said, my god, it has the
one A in there. Anyways, let's keep.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Going, all right, So basically this you used the information
that was embedded in the stamps, if you will, the
information that was on the envelope, and the letter itself
in order to compile this particular solve.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, and it was actually surprisingly easy. I was thinking
it's going to take a couple of weeks, but I
already had done the Ripper stuff, so this was like
one two three. But it was a long, long solve
that it took up several days to get nice and neat.
But still I was amazed.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
So there's some things that I that's some of the
questions that I had. So you just mentioned the Jack
the Ripper solves, and that William or Randolph, William Randolph
Hurst's son is requesting the zodiac to decode.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's saying that that there's information that William Randal the
Son had sent these over at least force four of
the letters to the United Kingdom which went into their
their files, and so he's now deceased in the year
(10:29):
two thousand. R A. Hearst and that this is a
request coming from according to the decode that is from
the Bush family. So both President Bush first and President
Bush the second, and there were the ones that if
(10:50):
you can decode this okay.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So one of the things that you mentioned in this
is that the School in Bones Society, yes cipher system right.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
It's mostly a stenographic code system that involves anagramming, and
it's usually some words that are really odd looking embedded
into the letters, and I'm familiar with that, but I
was seeing it also in eighteen eighty eight, the same system.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Okay. So my question is why if Bush and them
are are members of Skull and Bone Society, wouldn't they
know this system.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Apparently, I'm going to say, they're too bleeping them to
understand how to do this, So they're asking Jack to
do it. I don't know how, because I just can't
imagine the Bush family sitting down their decoding stuff. It
looks like they requested the expert to decode it for them,
That's what I'm seeing.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
But if the Zodiac is using it, and they're capable
of ciphering or solving the Zodiac's messages, and he's using
the system that supposedly was used on the Jack the
Ripper messages, wouldn't they once again already have the method
to decode these messages.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I think that they were possibly taught it or understood
it to some degree and recognized it when they've seen
it in a in a letter. But we're not that
that mental capacity like Jack was Jack was. Jack apparently
did this in this I would say, even in his sleep.
So they asked him to if he could find the
(12:32):
code keys. He needed to find the code keys to
do these and so he's a expert that was blown
away by this.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
So then that leads me to the next question, because
obviously we're you're stating that this is in two thousand
and five, that this facsimile is coming across. If he
was asked to crack this in October nineteen eighty seven,
why did it take till two thousand and five for
him to submit.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I'm getting that it was actually since Bush the second
is now the president, that is coming from him, which
the circa two thousand and two thousand and one when
he's going to be the president.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So he's and he wants to know what the Jack
the Ripper codes.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, so just be here, you know, And they're not
the ones who are experts at at doing this receiving
and sending. Jack did it what forty fifty years but
he had to find the code keys though.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
So are you not believing that this was legitimately mailed
in October of nineteen eighty seven?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Absolutely, that's just the ald code. It was somehow stent a
certain way. But it is saying that it's a Lilac
colared envelope, which is actually brown, and that was all
Now by two thousand and five, Jack is trying to say,
I think I got this. The Wylac penny stamp was
on those Jack the Ripper communications. And I.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Don't discount the ability to use postal stuff since this
is government, you know, it seems to all be wrapping
around government politics, and you know, Gates having access to
these types of things, I'm not going to say is
without question. Because we have the nineteen eighty six letter
which was withheld from us. This letter appears to also
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have been withheld until a much later date. Also there
is the Christmas card that we know is postpark nineteen ninety,
but purportedly was not received or found until two thousand
and seven, and their pavement. Their statement is is that
somebody misplaced it and it sat on a shelf, which
I find extremely hard to believe, especially since the Zodiac
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case was such a hot topic and made so much
money for the newspapers. It's a great story. Why would
you hide this thing from nineteen ninety until two thousand
and seven, unless, of course it was mailed at a
much later day but postmarked backwards or backdated to nineteen
ninety in order to complete some message that he was
(15:08):
attempting to get out. So I do understand that there
is some room for play in there.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
All I know is, but I've learned even doing to
check the Ripper stuff is they were sending images on
the wires, and they were creating fact similes of them,
especially by eighteen eighty eight. So this is an image.
This is a modern image. Apparently Jack is saying to
use the zeros copy machine and set that across, so
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he's trying to get it. He's trying to tell them
that he was able to practice and send the image
the way it is across.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
And we do see, we do see in some of
your older movies them using the copy machine as a
fax machine exactly. It is reproduced, yes, and the copy
machine was hooked up to the telephone lines long before
we were capable of doing that with our all in
one systems. So what makes you think that it's a
fac simile.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Well, he's saying that he sent the fact simile as
in a more of a fact, so that this was
being sent on the on the wires and on the lines,
and as I was finishing up and wrapping up what
was I knew making sense to Oh my god, he's
saying that he used Dennis Koffman's AOL America Online password
(16:31):
to get some of this information. But that would be
again sending information on the wire using modern computers. But
there was limited colored data for these particular the one
letter that he was trying to decode, which was true.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Okay, all right, so let's go ahead and start by
reading this particular message. I've got the first third of
it up and we're going to take it a third
at a time so that we can address the questions
that I might have in regards to what this message
is purportedly relaying. So go ahead, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
It's just saying April second, two thousand and five, President
George H. W. Bush and son President George W. Bush
facsimile as in facts to six thirty four zero zero PM.
All the numbers are in there anyways, Eastern time. His
holiness the totis tuist nine nine nine Pope, which is
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the reverse of sixty sixty six. By the way, it
means he's very holy died. And he's saying, I'm mad again,
Please UBI use remedium where's the remedy? His head is
exploding AA alcoholics anonymous, and then he's calming down because
he knows he's now working for Bush. He's saying, I'm
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on a mission NASA, God damn bleepin effer people get
read it anyways to die, I'm to gut him. He
said that multiple times, and some decodes I got. Anyways,
He's to gut him. July fourteenth, two thousand and five,
and b NSF, which is Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad,
(18:16):
is to run Robert abelbody over which did happen? Anyways?
Regarding your request on three four oh five, my answer
is this way I sent July thirty first, nineteen sixty nine,
or RA which is ran off Apperson Hurst the big
news story that they were just starting plugged by the
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media newspapers. Please rest you editor, and the editor at
the time for Baloe Times Herald was George Henningson. So
whenever I seen please rush the editor. You're supposed to
fill in who the editor is the name anyways, Zodiac
letters Balale Times Herald, Valao caliph abbreviation ninety four or
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five nine zero envelope you were asking, yes, I can't
crack or A said October nineteen eighty seven. Those those
four it's four letters that were sent across that end
up mysteriously in the United Kingdom nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Well, and we do have some some letters that we
do believe that are mailed from outside of the country,
such as Malaysia, Thailand. We saw some fake anthrax that
was purportedly mailed, almost as if to say the individual
who had made the attack here in the United States
had then left the country and perpetrated similar acts in
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other areas. Either as a copycat or to deter them
from looking for that individual here in the United States.
So it's a three part letter on the July thirty first,
nineteen sixty nine, then contained the four toh eight three
parts cipher and one went to San franci Cisco Chronicle,
one to the San Francisco Examiner, and one to the
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Valeo Times Herald. So so far this message is actually
matching up with the fact that the October nineteen eighty
seven letter is also mailed to the Valeo Times Herald,
and we have the other two parts being mailed to
newspapers that are owned by Are they still the San
Francisco Chronicle and the Examiner still owned by Hurst in
two thousand, two thousand and.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
One, I think by two thousand and one, I think
it was the Hearst and the Chronicle papers, but they
I think joined the other one out. I'm trying to
remember so.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
But in sixty nine they were for sure still owned
by Hearst.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
They were doing they were having to work together on
the weekends where because that was in San Francisco. As
a kid, you had a massive Sunday newspaper, So they
were working together just they were two separate entities that
they were joined one point.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So this message is basically saying that the newspapers had
the ability to crack these messages.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Correct, Yeah, the stuff that I'm saying, Yeah, they were
able to send a lot of images on the wires
back and forth. And Jack is saying that they were
using this especially by nineteen sixty eight, sixty nine, mainly
sixty nine for a couple of years that there was
messages being said back and forth, and it was in code,
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and some of it was I know, know what's got
a name Skull and Bone Society centargraphic code.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
So and I stumbled on Skull and Bones Society quite
some time ago in regards to my research. Which funny
that your messages are yielding that type of information when
my research led me in that direction at one point
in time as well. And of course it's saying that
the big news story plugged by the media newspapers. Obviously,
(21:58):
once again, this is some attempt to make money for
the newspapers because sending these messages out and them selling
the millions of newspapers they did because everybody wanted their
hands on the latest, you know, greatest information in regards
to the Zodiac probably made this a very wanted article
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that they had put out. So let's see, Yes, I
can crack ra sent October nineteen eighty seven. So he's
stating that he sent the October nineteen eighty seven, stating
that that's.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
First quietly sent and I'm understanding this for Jack the
Ripper letters that his father had that was and them. Yeah,
so he's quietly sending them to the United Kingdom for
their records. But they wanted to. It's looking like they
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wanted to know what was in them, which was very
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
So all right, so onto the next slide. Then here
we have the second of three parts to your solve.
Go ahead and you read that one for us.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
It's saying it's at the Sentinel of eighteen eighty seven events,
but it's in a brown envelope, and at that website
they do have a picture of it as a brown envelope.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Anyways, from so, you're not talking about the Lilac envelope
was really brown. You're talking about the you're talking older.
You're talking about the Jack the Rippers envelope was.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
The one that allegedly or a cent was in a
brown envelope. A pretty good sized envelope with those stamps,
which would cost a couple of dollars anyways. Sometimes remember
so it's from one A this North Saint John's Newfoundland, Canada,
which has to do with Johnson by the way to England,
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Great Britain with four Royal mail seventeen p I believe
that's seventeen penny or seventeen pence stamps anyways, two sideways
nineteen eighty five booklet pain perforations fourteen by fifteen. He's
pausing because he's having trouble breathing thirty millimeter and forty
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one millimeter with two twenty two cents. Frank J. Wasslick
stamps flag over Capitol Hill, which they were large. Anyways,
please focus on the blurry three hundred and fiftieth anniversary stamp.
He's trying to make a point. You know you need
to focus on those anyways, has historic first adhees of
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stamp reference eighteen thirty seven Queen Victoria image use for
eighteen forty historic first anyways, and then has dropping off
Bureau of Printing and Engraving booklet pain Frank Woslick. Today
I sent proof I can crack Randolph Apperson, Herst's father,
William Randolph Hurst. Jack the Ripper letters I sent both
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pac simile of nineteen seventy eight Zodiac earon letter was
similar standard graphic code found in Jack the Ripper communications
of postcard and letters. Dear Editor, Jack the Ripper was
taunting the editors anyways, Zodiac printing knight spelled. I think
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some of the Jack Ripper letters have knight spelled that way. Anyways,
VPD dash zero Jack the Ripper was taunting the police
same thing, catch me if can, Yes, it's a Jack
the Ripper phrase guess I believe is also a Jack
the Ripper word like ha ha ha ha, I can't
buy me, that's the question. So it's missing the punktus
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and carogative symbol now known as question mark. They didn't
in eighteen eighty eight. They didn't call it a question mark,
but when there was a question it meant punktus interrogator
Latin anyways, And the letter is missing exclamation marks, just
like JAF the Ripper ones. So he's saying that yes,
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he's very familiar with this coded system. He can crack
the CODs and he.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Has okay, and so William randolph Hurst. How did he
become in possession of Jack the Ripper letters?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Do you, from what I'm understanding, by doing these I've
got now I don't know fifteen of them done. He
had caught his attention, and I was wondering also because
he's receiving messages from John Sarat Junior that this is
happening and there's a search for hemophilia cure, but they're
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going after some victims. Anyways, I found out after a
couple of weeks that William Randolph Hurst was a leader also,
and he's the grandson of somebody from the region where
I believe Catherine Eddos came from. So it's kind of attention.
He's interested and from what I'm understanding, since he had
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this disorder, he would like to have the cure too,
and he's getting information about this all the way in
New York and then also the San Francisco because he's
got a couple of newspapers and he's only twenty two.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Now, when did William randolph Hurst run the newspapers or.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
He's running the ones on the East coast and also
the West coast, but it's mainly San Francisco Examiner. But
he's also had the New York Journal and I believe
another one. So he was in New York but mostly
San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Right, he was a Zodiac or I'm sorry, the Jack
the Ripper happened overseas in another country, so for him
to come up. And don't get me wrong, these people
can get their hands on anything they want. We've seen,
you know, priceless pieces of arts that have been stolen
and wind up in some rich person's you know, museum
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in their house undetected. So and we've seen the Zodiac letters,
you know, make it out of the evidence room and
into the hands of people that it didn't belong in.
And then we see other people presenting us with letters
that nobody's ever seen before and we have no clue
where they've come from. So it sounds to me like
what he maybe either why would he have purchased them
(28:33):
or wanted them if he wasn't erstanding.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, these were created, These were created, coded missives that
look like letters, but their photograh viewer and they're saying
all those Jack the Rippert letters right now that they
thought were real or photograh viewers. So and you can
make the photograph viewer after you sent some code morse code,
although we across the wires the the Continental Telegraph system,
(29:03):
because send an image like this across all the way
to New York, and somebody was there creating it, making
it look like it's a letter, mailing it across all
the way to the European area, mainly England, and then
that person got the system and the newspapers are literally
telegraphing each other the images.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
So well, I know Jack was definitely using a fax.
I have a picture of Cindy Crawford, and I'm not
sure what the year is on that. I might have
to go back and see if I can determine based
on his facts where he was literally sending pictures of
Cindy Crawford by facts, and I'm not sure if it
was to Dennis or he sent it to himself, or
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how it ended up in Jack's belongings. And I attributed
to being something that Jack had. But we know that
he has been using computers and faxes and teletype machines
and all of the latest technology that occurred during the
those eras he had access to or the actual machines
in his possession long before anybody else did. Okay, so
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William randolph Hurst was the one that had the hemophilia.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, he apparently was a bleeder, and so does it
look like some of these victims were possibly bleeders. And
it looks like Catherine Edos plays a main role role
in this and she's otherwise known as nothing. So when
he found Jack found the same phrase nothing, that was
(30:34):
actually Catherine Eddos. But it's something that I think really
interested him, and he William randolf Hurst made several trips
to London eighteen eighty seven I think it is, and
definitely eighteen eighty eight, So he's got a connection, a
big connection.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
So if nobody knew that these were coded message messages
in regards to Himaphila or the attempt to discover a
cure for humophelia, how would he know that these messages
or these letters from Jack the Ripper were containing that
type of information.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
He's a School in Bone Society member.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
He knows the code, so he knows the code. It's
the bushes that didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Ye. So and I'm finding out that some of the
people in the newspapers in London also knew the code,
especially some of the people involved with the Jack the
Ripper cases. So they had infiltrated that and was sending
the information back to William Randolph First, who had a
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different interest. He was an interest in selling papers. It's
something I think I'm figured it out. He was very
concerned he would like to have the cure.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
And so I don't think Hurst graduated from Yale. I
think you dropped out to get into the newspaper's business.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well, he's definitely. I had to look it up. I said,
I had to do a double take. I already knew this,
but I said, does he really know this? CoSystem? He
scholl in Bone Society one on one. I said he was.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
And I'm just saying that he didn't graduate.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
He dropped out early.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
He ran publications while they're at school, in college, and
he liked it so much, and he didn't really care
for his studies that much. But I guess he was
involved in Skull and Bones and so, yeah, you're saying
that he knows the cook he probably does.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah. Yeah, he would know how to send reviewers too,
because he was running the papers. He knew how to
send message what is it? Eighteen sixty eighteen seventy. They
were sending back similes fac s. The word was broken up.
But they knew how to do that then. So by
the time he got the newspaper system, I mean he
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was doing it. He knew how to send messages with
images in the newspapers all across the telegraph wires. Oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
And who is this nothing person?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Nothing is alias of Catherine Eddos And she's the main
person that they were going after for her kidney from
what I'm saying, to get this hemophilia cure.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
And was she one of the victims of Jack the Ripper?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, and now so he's got a big connection William
Randall persons. I think it's starts out as a misunderstanding,
like he's involved with this through the coded missus being exchanged.
But he you would like to have the.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Cure, gotcha? Yeah, well, I guess any hemophiliac would love
to have the cure leading to death. Is not your
idea based on a small paper cut of what somebody
wants to die from? Yeah, all right, so here's part three.
Go ahead and read that.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Okay, saying the zodiac symbol of ross circle also has
code keys and ciphers. So he's trying to tell him,
remember me, I'm the guy, Yes, I can do this,
and then it's he's interjecting in there. Oh FYI to
tell the truth of his fourties tttt. Anyways, I also
(34:21):
provided set my DNA on the Robert gray Smith envelope,
the Holming card envelope in the adhesive. He's making a
point here by the time of the twentieth and twenty
first century, that's not a big deal. But the Queen
Victoria was the first person ever on it. And he's
a stamp. Anyways, earth where I stamp. I xerox copied
(34:45):
my printing of the nine for nine five zero. I
can't read that anyways, bialo hellip envelope. He's a breathing
ana for a reason. But anyways, did and I react
Jim is very He's making it very pertinent. Yet, yes,
I'm the ZODIACU. I always abbreviated things a certain way. Anyways,
(35:09):
Using a Lilac color paper for to prove I can
crack the circa eighteen eighty eights Wilac Penny stamp R
aharst Father's w R. Hurst Jack the Ripper letters sent
to Scott Lanyard, care of Queen Elizabeth again, sent October
(35:29):
nineteen eighty seven via CIA. This blew my mind when
this came out, and an IBM PC four forty computer.
I believe Dennis had that using my tt Tattletale Dennis
Kaufman America Online account. He had American Online Anyways identification
and based on very limited IBM colored data of the
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October first, eighteen eighty eight Saucy Jackie postcard photograph viewer,
which that's only what they have. I had luck if
Dennis wasn't life today and he found out that Jack
secretly used his ification and Jack was still alive, I
know exactly what Dennis would be doing. He'd be selling
(36:15):
with his big eight thousand dollars guitar and get the
money and get a couple of drivers and go drive
back east to go knock the shit out of them.
And it will currently be one of the drivers.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
So the Halloween card was sent to Avery, Paul Avery.
So what is the Robert Graysmith Halloween card?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh, he was saying that he was actually a lot
of that was meant for Robert Graysmith. And the stamp,
the earth Rise stamp, which is that he's of. He
said he sent the JFK microfilm things pictures or whatever.
The the the a friend of Danis Joplin who took
(37:02):
some certain pictures at the NASA autopsy. So but he's
saying that he licked that stamp, and he's I think
everybody in the Grandmother agrees that it seems to be
the only real document pertaining to Zodiac is that envelope
and the stamp and the card. So he's definitely saying
(37:23):
that he had linked that he left his DNA on that.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Now, this wouldn't be the first time that there were
claims of DNA being sent. Of course, we saw in
the Tom Poyt letters in two thousand and so this
is following if this letter is truly being facsimilid in
two thousand and two thousand and one, this is shortly
before the two thousand and two and two thousand and
three letters to Tom Voight, where again that the Zodiac
(37:50):
is attempting to state he has sent his DNA. So
this would I mean, we know that the Zodiac loved
to repeat himself in some of the communications as to
his acts or what he's done. So if he's saying
in two thousand and one, I've sent my DNA, you
can find it under this particular stamp, then he turns
around and re sends it again to Tom Voyd. Obviously
(38:12):
he's trying to impress upon people that he is the
real deal, and he's rest to gotcha and photog reviewer.
Can you explain that I've heard you say it a
couple of times.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I read try to understand it. But it's where, let's
pretend I'm creating this using a quilt pan the ink
and stuff on the paper, and I'm literally like an
art form because it is very artistic looking, and I'm
writing it out. Somebody would be taking, with the nineteenth
(38:49):
century equipment a picture of that, and then it's sent
to I believe a place where it's going to etche
out uh, and it's all done my people, but they're
itching it and they're doing something with it, and then
they're putting the color like it's black ink and they're
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actually like reproducing this art form of this letter and
then learn yeah, and then then it's being actually able
to be used in a newspaper. And so what people
were seeing was looking very close to the nineteenth century handwriting.
I'm trying to do it, but it's somebody who's imitated
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it and did a fact simile of it or the
newspaper so.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
That it'll be close right, which nobody could ever be
exact or precise.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
This will take a document examiner to know that this
is only ninety nine percent. This is not the.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Author, gotcha? So now this is page two of two.
So this I believe is either is this an explan
nation of it or is this a continuation he's continuing.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
He's continuing that that he's found that he had luck
and he just like I did for me. It was
an educated guest, but he said, I found the code
keys our president, Benjamin Harrison. It's the same school in
bones society code system. I know how to create such code.
(40:23):
Admission by so and he's repeating himself again, So who
was president?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Who was President Benjamin Harrison?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
He was the guy like Nixon of nineteen sixty eight
going to be the next president. He was going to
be the president elect.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
So when was he going to be president?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, he became president, but he was going to be president.
Now think back to nineteen sixty eight and we've done
shows where there's a solber tude that's saying that Nixon
is going to be the president. So he's going to
do the Zodiac it's going to be a big deal
by nineteen sixty nine. This was happening also in eighteen
eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
So oh, so Benjamin Harrison is from eighteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, he's going to be the president by eighteen eighty nine.
He's a shoe in. And so they came up and
the first.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Roosevelt that era, gotcha. Okay, all right, go ahead, keep reading.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
So anyways, it's saying I know how to create such
coded missus by so again I can prac them. Civil
War Lincoln Confederate Secret Service spy John Sarath the second
in messages to William Randolph Hurst. He photographed, viewer printed
both the sp That's why it was so important as
(41:46):
I saw the SPA seventeen for the stamps. Anyways, that's
nineteenth century abbreviation for September seventeenth, eighteen eighty eight sp
September twenty seventh, the eighteen eighty eight. There's two, two
separate ones. One's a postcard, one's a letter. Anyways, he's
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saying that something about punctus interrogatorbis has no question mark
simple and there was outprey to question and interrogate, which
was true. The suspects. And then it's say decoded missive
say Detective William Thick, which is true penned. They believe
he pinned the brick wall message a lot of people
(42:30):
and the anyways containing word nothing. It's the Jews of
nothing will be blamed for the Jews of the death.
Is kind of complex anyways, Fred Best signed letters, yours truly,
Jack the Ripper and the Open Saw is one one,
nineteen thirty one. Fred at age seventy one. He decoded
(42:51):
that one, so did I, Young William Randolph. First Everleen
has your head a graved on his walking stick. Commander
commemorating like my Queen. This is phrases that are in
that decoded missive commemorating like Mike Queen eighteen thirty seven.
Visit to London Hope d V which is Dale Valente
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God willing that minute and that means tiny Catherine Eddos,
Kidney and wine sent to George Lusk and then Elizabeth
Stride is another victim the Five Gals from eight six,
eighteen eighty eight onward to nine thirty, eighteen eighty eight.
The victims were Pope Leo the thirteenth and doctor J. W.
(43:37):
Legg to Birmingham, England by November eleventh, eighteen eighty eight.
Pure hemophilia. He got the same stuff, By god, my god. Anyways,
the truth is Jack the Ripper is the mayor of
London eighteen eighty eight. Polydor de Kaiser arrest doctor Templete.
There's several Dakota messages I got there demanding him to
(43:59):
be arrested and punked. This punk Thiss interrogator is both
the Kaiser and Tumblet, And doctor Tumblet does get arrested
November eighth, eighteen eighty eight, and post bailed by November sixteenth,
eighteen eighty eight. And he's saying on these messages between
John Sarat and William Randolph Hearth relayed from London location
(44:23):
to San Francisco location, and he's signing off as to
too to John Terrence the second.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Now that was another one of my questions. Why would
he flip and start calling himself John in these messages
instead of Jack. I mean, I know Jack used both
Jack and Joy.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
She didn't want to get confused. So you've got two
president Bushes, You've got two popes in the nineteenth century.
You got another pope that he's dealing with that just died.
You've got I think he didn't want to sign off
as Jack because he already had Jack the Ripper. So
I think he's trying to separate himself. I'm I'm not
(45:01):
that jam So I'm gonna take us.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
I'm gonna take us back a little bit. We've got
a couple of minutes here. But Detective William Thick was
the detective in the Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Definitely.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Let's see here, young w R. Aberlen has your head engraved.
Who's Aberlen?
Speaker 2 (45:21):
He's one of the detectives also, And there is the
walking stick that has the head and it does look
like a very young twenty one year old William Rambo first,
So all right?
Speaker 3 (45:36):
And who is the.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
Brother of Mary?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
No, that's the Sun. That's the Sun.
Speaker 5 (45:45):
And I think Mary was prosecuted in the aftermath of
the Lincoln assassination. Yeagers with John Wilkes smooth and so
is so is tumbletea Tumblety was an allegrical spirit or too.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
But here's the twist. I was wondering, why am I
seeing such a chummy affiliation with John Sarat and what's
going on here? John Harrison Sarat is a Harrison family member.
Of course, Benjamin Harrison is the president coming. But when
you trace Abraham Lincoln's family back to the Revolutionary War, Eric,
(46:24):
he's linked to the Harrison family too, so they're all family.
They're all family. So Johnson such.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
A trad John Wills Booth and Mary Sarat's house after
he fled the scene, because when he jumped from the
balcony or whatever, he broke his leg and he lived,
and they stopped. They stayed at Mary Sarat's house, and
there's allegations that a doctor helped mend him.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
That Okay, it just wouldn't be surprised if it was
doctor Tumbledee. But he's he's in London with this mess,
and that I'm surprised. I'm when I'm picking up is
John Sarat was actually on the side of Lincoln, but
was such a good spy they didn't notice him. But
(47:12):
that's the reason why Lincoln's Lincoln won, because this guy
is he gets them tried. A couple of years later,
they find him in the Papal States and you know,
he's working for the Pope. Like it's amazing, I got
two John's working for the pope are connected to the pope.
He got John Serant and John Darrence the popes anyways.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
And you're saying John Sarat was the spy.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
He's definitely a spy. So he has the owned society
system too. Well, I'd sure like to find some letters
by him right now.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Pope Leo the thirteen was he also a hemophiliac.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
He suffered from something that they said happened to do
with a lot of bleeding, So I think he was
quietly a leader if that's where he got his Trevor from.
They said there was something going on and uh, bleeders
can cost tremors, gotcha, So he'd be interested in the
(48:14):
cure too.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean if you're low, if your blood,
if your blood is low, I'm sure that shakiness is
something that's going to come up and that would create
tremors for sure. Let me see if I have any
other questions. So is there anything else that you would
like to ask? Nolan?
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Not today?
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Okay, Well, here's one of the covers to your I'm
guessing this is your book that you've put out on
the decodes, and you were saying that there was an
individual that also decoded the same things that you were decoded,
who was that.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
It's looking like Fred Best knew how to decode this stuff,
and he's he's not a nice guy. He's threatening. I
got some decodedness of saying that they're threatening to kill
William Randall. First, shut up, stop talking about this stuff.
He's London.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
But you're saying that he decoded similar messages that you
found in this last half or this last paragraph here,
the things like the five gals from eight six, eighteen
eighty eight victims, that would.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Be that's John knew how to code these and decode them,
and William Randall first knew how to from what I'm seeing,
to decode this also, but also to send things in code.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
So we're most of Jackie Rupper's victims prostitutes.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
They're allegs to be prostitutes. Apparently edos may not have
been your typical institutions I think giving information anyway.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
All right, you guys, well we've hit the end here.
I want to thank you Harriet for clearing all of
this up and setting mind on some time type of
a track here. We're going to continue, obviously with this
next week. I want everybody to have a wonderful weekend.
Thank you both again for being here and if there's
any questions you guys, think up or Nolan anything you
want to ask. Next week we will be back at
(50:14):
this to do too.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Do you do?
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Hey hear you guys. Bye bye
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