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Speaker 1 (00:31):
All right, good Saturday morning. It's time for another episode
of Hobby Highline number three thirty nine. To be exact,
I don't know where does the time go.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
That's just uh, you know, it's it's crazy to think
we're on three thirty nine and happy to be joined
by two guys.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I didn't realize this that haven't been on this show
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So that's uh, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
And to my right on the screen, doctor James Beckett,
and to his right mister Samuel Evans, who's at the
Me and doctor Jim are jealous because he's at the
Chantilly and and and we're home.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We're home here.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
But nonetheless, nonetheless we're gonna we're gonna chop up some
hobby today.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Some topics.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I think we'll start off, guys with, uh, the news
that you can uh you know, buy something on eBay.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And there's some parameters here.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I'll go over and send it, have it sent right
from eBay to p s A G graded obviously the
car some parameters here.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Obviously the car has to be raw. Uh, you can't
grade and graded card. It has to go.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It has to be over two hundred and fifty dollars
in the sale because it's got to go through the
eBay authenticity guarantee. When it passes that, then it will
go uh to PSA for grading will be for thirty
nine forty dollars for this service will be at their
(02:08):
value level, so maybe three to four months before you
have it in your hands, and obviously there's no guarantee
of the grade, and what you're going by is the
scans because you're never actually gonna have the card in
your possession. I'll start with doctor Jim, you know, I mean,
obviously you know they have a relationship with the Vault
(02:32):
being owned by the eBay Vault and PSAU. Doctor Jim,
your thoughts, you know. So i'mone that has obviously a
grading background on this new this new venture two parties.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Well, grading is very competitive, as everyone knows. But there
are three things. I mean, PSA is making a lot
of right moves. What they've done is they've tried to
make it even more accessible, even easier and safer. Let's
let's changing hands. All those are good things because you
can see they've done the game stop thing. They're branched
(03:05):
out internationally, so they're they're really focusing on those things
what I don't like. What I don't like the two
things that it's not. Hey, Samuel, you may mean to mute.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Yeah, I'm sorry, you're not talking.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
We're gonna we're gonna really understand the show because we're
gonna hear it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We will feel like we're there.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Any rate.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
The eBay thing, it's not that economical. Okay, it is safe,
it's easy as accessible, but it's not that economical, and
it's not very relational. And I think there's a huge opportunity.
I mean, the bulk suburbs kind of built p s A.
The dealers, and so this is bypassing them and I
(03:52):
so that those are the only two negatives, but it's
it's inevitable that people want to work with eBay, and
once it gets in the eBay system, they want to
keep it there. And so PSA, this is a good move.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Your munit still there, you go.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, I would agree with doctor Beckett. I love the
innovation piece. Whenever you could be innovative in a space
like the hobby. And by the way, good morning everyone,
coming to you live from the CSA show.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
You hear all the noise in the background. But I
love the innovation piece.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
But I think something that doctor Beckett spoke about that
resonates with me is that that personal experience, you know
what I mean? And I think that that is what
the hobby is centered around, those personal connections, those those
those human moments. I call it human capital. I call
it the human capital of the hobby where we have
(04:44):
this ongoing exchange. And I think ps A and eBay
needs to figure that part out. How do we how
do we make it feel human? How do we incorporate
that human element in it so people could have that
extra reinsurance it's about safety and or less of change
the hands and give them some good thoughts while their
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card is going through the process.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
So I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
A couple couple comments here, guys you know, Stuke says,
will they have a dedicated staff for eb A grading.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I'm guessing it'll just be incorporated into the authenticators, the
guys that the men and women who you know say
the cards good and what it's advertised as being, and
then it will be forward on the PSA good point
by Abele in Vegas here he says, this is a
teared pricing, so if you buy a card for twenty
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five hundred, the grading fee will go up accordingly, So
forty bucks is kind of like the baseline model, if
you will. As someone who grades guys, everything I've ever
graded i've had in my hand at one time or another.
I've never graded blind, so to speak. I'll call it
use that term where the card has not been in
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my hand. So I don't think this will be I
don't want to say one hundred percent. I don't see
myself using it. Just not because I'm against it or
it's terrible, it's just traditionally, like you said, Samuel and
doctor Jim, I've always had the card in hand to
look at it, to see is it even worth having
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it graded, and that sort of thing. So you know,
I think it can be risky, right, you know, pictures
only can tell so much.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Obviously, having a card in person, in your hand to
see the true condition of it, you know, is paramount.
So don't I don't think I would do this. I know,
doctor Jim, you know obviously a lot of your slabs
are pecky, But would this be something if you use
would this be something you could do that? Or like me,
(06:53):
you have to have that card in hand.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Well, correction, Yeah, all right, I.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Figured I want to find a different one, and then
then that would be shocking.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
But uh, well, well, let's let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
If this was Beckett, the same deal, but Beckett, instead
of to say would you utilize it like that? Or
would you would you still say I really need to
have that card in hand before I have them.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Here's the problem that ps A is going to have
and the reason that me Samuel your point as well
taken about the human capital. But I don't think eBay's
too big. So say I buy a card from Samuel
on eBay and I trust him and everything like that,
but if it's a raw card and I'm paying paying,
paying big bucks, then I'm guessing that I'm gonna want
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to have a side deal with Samuel to say, you
know what I'm sending this to. I'm sending this direct
to collectors to p s A, and if it comes
back at seven, you got a deal. But if it
comes back as a six, I want to rebate or
I want to cancel it because you're you told me
this was near mint or whatever it is, and I
can't see it, but I want a third party judgment.
(08:04):
I think there could be. So now that's a relational
element that's not going to be fun. And so side
deals because you're buying its sight unseen and you might
have some recourse if again the authentication thing, I don't
think they're going to be judging the condition in the
authentication step. I think that's more. Is this a real
card is a counterfeit? They send it a PSA and
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they find a bad blemish on the back that knocks
down the technical grade. Then you've got a three headed
mess between eBay psafour with the buyer and the seller.
So that's the relational element that could go awry.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, I think I think that's I think that's a
great point. And I think they really need to get
the right people at the table to sit down and
like really triize that and think about, like how do
we work through these issues and these predictions that could
possibly happen because the hobby is built on relationships and
you don't want those relationship those relationships because you're hoping
(09:01):
for this high high grade and it comes back and
you're like, wait a minute, I paid all this money
and I got this grade. The two aren't added up,
you know, So that's that's another great point.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I think what a seller is gonna do, doctor Jim
and Sam or say hey, you saw the pictures. That's
the same card. You know that is in the picture.
But you know, technically it's not like tom c where
eBay has the card already, So that seller could put
whatever pictures he wants on the eBay platform and then
(09:35):
send for you know, you hope this don't happen, but
it could right send a different card. And like you said,
doctor Jim, all the authentication service part of eBay's is
doing is just authenticating that the card is real, not
trimmed or after they're not. They're not putting a grade
on the card itself. So that's a that's a great point.
(09:58):
And then you got a dilemma. It's like it'll be
a he said, she said type of where you got
a seller going, you know, a buyer going after seller saying.
You know, the sellers can say, hey that's the car
that put pictures out. I don't know what else you
saw them, you bought it. You know, the seller might
say go ahead, or.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Or I think what what eve a commandate is that
if you are possibly doing if any of your product
has possibly labeled a setup for direct to PSA. You
got to send it to us, and we hold it
and you continue to post it online and if somebody
buy it, we already have it in our possession and
we can give we can give that that that buyer,
(10:38):
some that seller some upfront information about this card if
they want to do direct to PSA. So like your
front loaded and with information so that way they can
make an informed decision and say, all right, here's a
possible outcome for this card. I really love this card.
I'm not trying to make money on it, but I
want it in my PC. I'll take that risk, you know,
(10:59):
So any any information helps, you know, to allow someone
to make an informed decision, especially when you're dealing with
a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Doctor Jim, I mean, what are your thoughts on, you know,
maybe someone pulling a switcher room or even without a
switcher room. People just say the pictures didn't illustrate that,
Like I didn't see that on on your scans, and
and if I would have saw that, I probably wouldn't
have made this purchase.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
So I want to I want to reverse this transaction.
I mean this could open up I mean that happens
under normal circumstances without degrading asspect thrown in. But kind
of your thoughts there.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
You're asking me to think like a criminal.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, listen, we don't have that that small part of us.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
That any system can be beaten if you really really
want to. But you know what what Samuel saying by
the rational capital to me, part of that is dealing
with people that you know and like you you know them,
they're they're you're friends with them. Like at a card show.
You you're dealing with the person you see a face,
you know, you can shake hands, you you you observe
(12:03):
them in business eBay a little bit blind, uh, you know,
and you can't just say, hey, they got a lot
of a lot of good feedback. Uh, you just don't know.
And mistakes can be honest, mistakes can be made. So yeah,
that's why card shows are cool, you know. And dealing
with people that you.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Know, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Uh a comment here, want to get Stuke says, Hey,
probably a good idea to send the card directly to p.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
S A. I've had a card damage by the eBay
authentication process. So he's he said, a card he's bought
that went the eBay authentication uh, was was damaged, and
you know it could happen, right, people dropped things. I've dropped.
I've dropped my own uh stuff and dinged the corner.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Not not a fun moment, but you know what happens,
and so you know, there's no guarantees that can't happen.
All they're trying to do is guarantee that the card
is legit in the in the real McCoy. If someone
does that, you know, other than having the before and
after pictures, it would be And then again it becomes
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that he said, she said that. eBay probably could say,
how do we know you didn't? Well, it's gonna be graded,
but they're gonna say, you know, they didn't do it, you.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Know what I mean. And the body's gonna say, well,
I didn't do it because I never touched the cards.
So who did it?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
And who wants to put expensive raw cards were mainly
I don't know, we're mainly talking vintage, but vintage cards
that are not graded and are expensive are suspect.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's why I would never probably use this because it's
just too many question marks and things that pratfalls and stuff.
For me as someone who grades, I always have you know,
the cards in hand and as a bulks of have
other people's cards in hand too, and so you know,
it's it's a great it's a something you said earlier too.
(13:56):
Doctor Jim, is are you gonna get these these deals?
Hinge done the grade? Like, hey, I'll give you an
extra so and so if this thing gets a set
like I'm buying it, but if it grades high, I'll
throw you. And how would you do that on the
eBay platform? And it almost would be have to be
like a verbal promise. You could you know, once you
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get the card bag, you could say no, I didn't
say that, or I'm not doing that. So you know,
ilus would have to be baked into the system.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, Like I said, eBay and PSA should like sit
down and make sure they have the right people at
the table and come up with like some guidelines and
buy laws to this process so ensure because like, at
the end of the day, collecting is a business and
we can't be naive and ignore that. Right, Yes, we
are are passionate collectors, but like people are investingating hard
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earn money into building their collection, and some people are
like not like me. I don't really care about numeric grade.
I just love the card. But there are some people
who care about that numeric grade. And I think if
this is a prediction that we can make right now
and the three of us, they need to have the
right people at the table thinking about this and creating
(15:09):
some bylaws and guidelines so people can make informed decisions,
and you know, bring the sellers to the table in life.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Is this something you're willing to agree to?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah? A couple of comments here.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Re Rex says that's part of the problem with letting
eBay ps A handle the whole thing. You just have
no idea who's handling your cards. We've already seen dozens
of missing cards submitted to PSA two game Stop if
you ask me, some of the stories I've heard with
the game Stop entity and that have been nightmare scenarios
with cards being switched or different cards in return.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
So that thing I would I would never entertain. Even that.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Ruben thinks we're gonna have a future where this won't
be a problem because all cards will come out graded
out of a package. There are products where cards are
graded in the pack. I don't know if we'll you know,
it'll never be one hundred percent. I wouldn't want I
wouldn't want that. It's not traditional how it goes. So
good morning, Warren. I'm trying to put up the Good
(16:15):
morning Dan Ryan from Syracuse. Right there, he asked, I
would love to hear doctor Jim's thoughts on how businesses
in the hobby react during periods of how economic anxiety
as we witness meek, or how it impacts collector's point
of view.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, I can answer that question right now, and not
to cut you off, doctor Beckett. I'm at the CSA show,
and this show is busy. There are a lot of
people here. I was here yesterday Friday night, towards the
tail end when I drove in from the Philly area
and it was still people here, but like ninety minutes
to Spare and then arriving here this morning to see
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the line outside and down the pathway. You know, the
hobby is in a healthy space and place, and you know,
and I think the vendors here are pricing their cards
very well where you know they can target those different
markets of people who want to buy high end cards
or people who want to buy the more low in cards.
Because I see people and looking through the dollar bens
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and the half all bends, and I see people looking
at the high end showcases. So doesn't look pretty scary
to me from my point of view. But you know,
everybody has their their space in place.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well, let's segue with that question. Guys, let's move into
this topic. Right. We know what's going on in the
economy with with tariffs Dan's question. Yeah, yeah, let me
put it back up to that way.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
That was a thoughtful question. He's a thoughtful guy. Yeah. Basically,
the way I break it down is full time businesses
versus part time business. Any full time business is nervous
now part time business or laughing all away the bank.
It's a great when the stock market's up. People have money.
When the stock market's down, they spend money on cards
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and stuff because the stock market stinks. So if you're
if you're a side gig person, you know that's Samuel.
I think that's why the shows are real big now
because people are thinking, hey, at least I can go
flip some cards, trade some cards, buy some cards, sell
some cards. But if you're a full time business, those
are the ones that are more impacted by the tariffs
(18:29):
and the economy and general malaise in the economy. But
the side gig business gets hot when other things are bad.
And so the Dallas show, same thing, Samuel, It's it's
just last show was one of the best ever and
the next one might be even better. Anyway, Sorry, that
was my response to.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, yeah, and Dan's said, Dan's local to me, I
see him at the local shows here a good guy
and I'll even forgive them from the packers of that
being said. But uh, you know what, I've been getting
a lot of emails. I'm sure you guys have have
two from different hobby entities kind of addressing the tariffs.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
A few of those have have basically come out and said, uh,
until until anything's reversed, their prices will go up on products. Unfortunately.
So you know, I have hobby effect question Mark. It
really is no question prices are going up on some
of these entities offerings were ready and announce that and
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send emails. And you know we talked about the show
is not shows are not slowing down, and that is strong.
I don't think that's gonna change because of terrorffs. Well,
what about these companies?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And you did you did say it?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Doctor Jim that you know, these full time companies are
gonna maybe take it a direct hit waste tariffs and
the policies that come with them.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I mean, how big of a hit might this be?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
And and and then obviously you know a lot of
it supplies, and so if you've got to buy supplies,
maybe they cost more. We kind of saw that during
COVID when soft sleeves went from a bucket pack to
like three four or five bucks a pack. And that's
just one item as an example. But kind of your
thoughts here on the full time companies, guys, and how
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do they you know, survive until they either go away
or get rescinded or moderated.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, I mean yeah, And doctor Jim, have you ever
you know, I don't remember. I know tariffs are not
a new thing, but they're not always common. And maybe
to the percentage we're seeing, do you think this is
maybe a little overblown or not necessarily.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
It's presidential jousting with other nations, and there'll be a resolution,
but the resolution probably will be not going back the
way it was. There'll be some level of tariffs that
that Trump is claiming they're reciprocal and all that, but
like I say, I just think the one of the
pivotal points in our hobby was when the prices went
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way up. In fact, several times when prices have gone up,
it's not bad for the hobby. In eighty nine, upper
Deck came in and just it was was, oh, well
it's gonna ah, I can't believe it. They are going
to be a dollar a pack or eighty nine cents
a pack, and so the and so. But did the
industry grow through that. Yeah, when prices go up and
even costs go up, that's not a problem. You know,
(21:28):
the three four basketball upper Deck exquisite, you know that
was unprecedented. Higher prices are not necessarily bad news in
the hobby. Higher costs even because because it's a hobby,
ultimately people want the cards, and you know, so many
of these products are going above SRP anyway, So if
the SRP goes up, maybe that means there's not as
(21:50):
much run up beyond that. I just think that the
ecosystem finds a way to look for the inefficiencies and
the opportunities there, and it's so diverse. So I won't
say it's much ado about nothing, because I think it's
some of these terrors are really pretty significant. But when
it all gets done, we're gonna be working with Canada
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for sure, and China maybe another story. But China is
not the only part of the of Asia. You know,
You've got Japan which is a huge hotbed. You know,
the Europeans, p S, A, BGS, UK, all those things.
I think those things are gonna get worked out. But
it may be a you know, kind of a difficult
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time here for the you know, for the next weeks
or months, which is just again wreaking havoc with the
stock market, which further makes people nervous. And but it's
got to be resolved and I think it will be.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
But I'm no expert. I'm not the expert in this,
but I think in times like this, other markets come
to come into play, and people find ways to get
their fix and buy cards, whether it's singles, whether it's
it's packs, or whether it's boxes. So you know, the
hobby has always found a way to reinvent it. So
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even when the bubble bursts during the jump wax era,
and next thing, you know, we all at home at
COVID and now cards are the new mainstream again. So
you know, we'll we'll get through it.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
A couple of comments guys.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Vintage card collector says impossible to measure, but economic turbulence
has some impact on people's body.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
This isn't sure.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Anytime you look at your your four one K statement
when it comes in or your I arrays and you
see that number maybe go down from the previous one
you received, it can. It can be scary and impact
obviously how much money you spend, especially if you think
it's gonna be a long term down trend.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Dan thanks you doctor Beckett for your answer, and says
it feels like a time to be opportune opportunistic for
little guy like me, Rex who who operates two stores,
So we'll get him this take here On the ground level,
BCW said they will be raising prices on supplies. Yes,
I'm an affiliate of THEIRS and I got all that
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info as well. No surprise there. Japanese Pokemon cards will
also be less of a bargain than they have been.
Cooter says the impact of tariffs haven't hit yet. Turnions
of dollars in disposal income has been put in. Jeffard
think the arrffs won't negatively impact the hobby's just wrong
short the hobby. So Cooter's hooters are a little bit
(24:35):
more sky is falling, right. I mean, the Hobby's still
gonna survive, but he thinks maybe a little bit more
of a hit than we might be thinking.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And that's you know, we're gonna find that out.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Another comment, Ryan McClanahan, I think that I don't think
that card companies take a terriff fit like they did
in the thirties. That was different, and the card manufacturers
the larger hit when this at amendment was implemented in
nineteen thirteen.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So a little bit of history. Cooner says, doctor Jim,
you're giving too much credit for people being rational.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
He's not my guy.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Coon is my guy, Doctor Jim voice the reason for
American Listen. Maybe this is the start of doctor James
Beckett for president. It all started today. You got my
vote at this point, so Gordon pank says. But respectfully,
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higher prices discourage people from buying her a lot.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Of not necessarily. Not necessarily, it wasn't higher prices. It
made people leave. They left because the prices were too low,
because of junk wax. It's counter instinctual. High prices bring
people in low prices, send them away. These cards aren't
with anything even more. Now again you're just used to
(26:04):
pay an X, and now you're going to pay one
hundred and ten percent of X. And you've had choice
to either do it or not do it. Uh. And
again there's no tariff on the cards you're holding in
your hand. The hobby is I don't know if it's
ninety percent what is already existing.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Is from the probably.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
At Shantilly, how much how many cards there? What percentage
is the last year or two?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
No, it's true again, a lot of stuff's already in circulation. Right,
So that's that's already here and it doesn't have to
necessarily ship internationally and that sort of thing. And like
Sam I made a great point, right, people figure out
a way if they really want to me preference. I
say that if people really want to stay active in
the hobby, they find a way. There's different ways to hobby.
(26:58):
I've said it a million times Sunday on my content.
There's waste of hobby, whether it be dollar boxes, uh,
you know, low grade vintage, rather than there's just whatever
aspect you're in. There's there's ways to stay active and
just kind of adapt no matter what the economic situation.
(27:18):
We got one of our hobby hotline, a lom sneak
doing a cameo.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Hi Alex, I don't I'm assuming you could hear us.
So man, now we're really Now I'm really jealous.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Alex said he was going photo bomb. So there we
have it. We got four people on today.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, a couple more comments and then we'll kind of
move on. Rex again says, we place the decent sized
supply order through Fanatics. Their prices haven't changed yet, but
all that stuff comes from China, so I anticipate that
they will. Uh TJ says, Hello, better late than never.
Pipedo Man says, as a collector, I disagree with lower
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prices driving people away. So if a penal man says
doctor Jim, I respectfully disagree.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
You know, I get if you're if you're someone that's
just then it for the dollar sign.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, I'm sure that the lower prices are are deflating
to you or you know, I'm listen. I'm not full time,
but I set up at shows guys about two a month. Uh,
you know, it is what it is. I just have
to adapt rite whatever the prices you have a choice.
You adapt and do okay hopefully or or well, or
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you don't adapt and you don't do well, and then
that experience isn't fun anymore and he probably wind up
not doing it.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
So go ahead, go ahead, Sammon.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
So I have a unique perspective to like what you
just said, Like as a kid growing up in North Philly, right,
I'll fave radius. I had a lot of collectors in
my neighborhood, and our experience wasn't like my experiences today
in the hobby like going to shows, hobby stores, the
Beckett book, like all those things that like cultivate your
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experience and your exploration of collecting.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
It was just us and we made it.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
We made it our thing, and like we knew about like, oh,
these cards are worth something, but we didn't have that
like knowledge and understanding of it. But we also understood,
like when the time came and we heard the news
that like cards wasn't worth anything, a lot of people
like left the space for like multiple reasons, you know,
like you lose interest or like they don't have any value.
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Like I still remember at thirteen packing out my box
of cards and throwing them in the trash and feeling
like heartbroken that I'm leaving the hobby, you know, and
I was like, one day I'll come back. But I
just think the perspective is different on like why people
left in the nineties. I think it has something to
do with the value aspect, the low value of it.
And I also think it has a lot to do
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with who's experience or the lack thereof. So there's multiple
ways you can look at it. It's not it's not
it's not one specific issue yet.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
A couple more or last comments, Vic there says he
feels it's gonna be the biggest hit.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Will be on supplies.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
A lot of it comes from overseas in China specifically.
I agree with that, but you know, we'll see. If
it a question, I don't know the answer to this question.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Guys. Fanatics may manufacture cards in the US, but where
is the paper being resourced from? I don't specifically know.
I don't know if either doctor Jim Samuel, I don't
know if you're familiar with where.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
The A lot of paper comes from Canada.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Okay, all right, so there's some terror potential. Uh, you know,
I know they're they're one of the countries getting hit.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Uh, Gordon Gordon Pang says it depends on how long
it's nonsense last for most of For most of us,
after all, cards are about disposable, and come, I'm going
to be spending less if it's going to be a while.
So yeah, I mean this stuff, you know, impacts people. Right,
here's another one. When the cost of necessities goes up,
money available for the hobby goes down. From from couter
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Word says COVID really had an explosion effect on a
hobby watching vintage slowly come back down as expected. And
I like it because as a vintage guy, I've been
able to buy some stuff at a little less prices. So,
you know, like doctor Jim said, lower prices, I like it,
especially when I'm buying stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Maybe not, you know, I know dealers who maybe do
it more full time than even I do don't always
like lower prices selling. But I won't. I won't comply,
so our complaint. Mike Petty says, I buy what people
are afraid. Go ahead, doctor, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
It's again. It just it's not all about disposable income.
Cards are currency, so if times are bad, it's like, oh,
I don't have any money to buy cards. Well, wait
a minute. I got a bunch of cards. I can sell,
I can trade, I can do lots of things. In fact,
some of the cards that you would sell are instant
money if you've got the right seal it.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
So it's not about hey.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
I've got to I just keep buying and buying and buying,
and I never sell those kind of people if they
never sell and they just keep buying. And if they're
buying individual cards, you know they have some sense of purpose.
But if they're buying into breaks, buying unopened wax, they're
gonna have to sell some stuff. But again, that's part
of what's happening at Chantilly. It's not just people coming
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in with wallets and I want to spend some money. Now,
they're bringing in cards to trade, cards to sell. It's
a whole ecosystem, and there's probably more selling going on
and more willing willingness to sell when times are uncertain.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Yeah, I was talking. I was talking to some dealers.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
There are a lot of people who are like coming
in to sell cards, and dealers are buying cards and
and vice versa. Like you, I tend to when I
come to shows, I tend to walk the room and
just listen to the sounds and watch the sites, and
you see a lot of that exchange, trade value, cash value,
like all those different things. And there's no like fear
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of like I'm not I'm not buying right now. Even
when I was at White Planes for just one day,
walking around, uh you know, making hobby content, you saw
a lot of people in there selling their cards and
a lot of dealers buying cards, and then vice versa.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
So this avenues for for like everything.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
A few more comments, guys, and then we'll go to
the next subject.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Uh, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Jeff reminds us that cards have some plastic and metal
components as well, uh in them as not just paper.
Tj echoing kind of what doctor Jim said. With vintage, right,
tariff hopefully won't unpact me with vintage anyway, Vintage prices
still need some correcting to towards pre COVID levels. A
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Pipino man, uh says, prices price hikes don't stop me
from collecting just the way I spend money.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's right. You can, you can.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
You can still be active without even transacting. You can,
you can make trades. You can, uh, you know, do
a lot of things without even taking out uh your wallet.
So Abel says, with the stock market, could that lead
to certain people parking money and cards.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I think that happens now. Uh. You know again we
talked about this cards our commodity. Whether you do it
for that reason that that's on you or up to you.
But cards are commodity and like to like doctor Jim said,
some of these cards and I own some. We all
own some that are very liquid.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Right if we needed some money, we could sell the
cards rather quickly and that sort of thing. That's just
uh the way it is.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
So you know, Mike Patty put go ahead, Sam, well done.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Percent of the yeah is commodity. But the ten percent
of cards that are not a commodity, that are really
hard to find, that are on the floor of Chantilly
right now, many of them those are. That's like I said,
sometimes that's better than cash. Commodity cards are not bad
because there's a lot of there's when times are good,
there's a lot of liquidity, a lot of people are interested,
and there's a lot of action there. But the junk
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wackx era is the commodities were recognized as being unsustainable,
too many out there, and then the price dropped, and
like Samuel said, when when people went around in those
days saying, hey, will you buy my cards? They said, no, no,
we're not buying your ninety two fleer or something. You know,
you're just you know, And so the lack of liquidity,
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and so we don't have that now. The commodities are
much lower than they used to be, but they're higher
than a long time ago. So again the EBB and flow,
John is healthy, and there have to be some cards
that are commodities that are available to kids and people
with less money, and there's always going to be the
high end that's in frequently driving the headlines.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Strong and even to your point, doctor Beckett, like the
past couple of shows that I've been to, like, yeah,
you see Vinceince being so traded bought back and forth,
but you also see a lot of like nineties stuff
and a lot of like inserts from the nineties, and
like people are buying those rare insert cards from the
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nineties and and some like cool bas cards of like
Hall of Fame players. So like even though like a
lot of those cards aren't jump wax cards, but you
still see that resurgence and that urge.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
So like I want this very rare insert.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Card of Michael Jordan ur Shaquille O'Nell like Hall of
Famers and superstars.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, well, real quick, just from Dan, he's basically asking
about fractional share companies, whether they exist anymore? They do,
I mean, collectible does it. I believe all is still functioning,
but I don't think. But a lot of those fractional
share companies, guys, as you well know, they do cards,
but they do other things. They're doing, you know, liquor, purses, handbag, cars,
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and so they're they're spread out across. Uh, they've diversified
the portfolio that they're offering. Fractional shares. Collectible, which was
strong on just cards and memorabilia, doesn't exist any They've
kind of dissolved. So there's the answer to that. Fractional
will always be a thing in some form or or fashion.
(37:39):
But I don't think card wise, I don't think it's
what it once was is without without saying this, guys,
I was shocked at how big of it. You know,
people were really moved by this meter and interested, and
I get it. I mean, it is real life with
finances and stuff like that. So maybe I shouldn't be
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as surprised by the activity in the chat room. We'll
kind of go to our next topic, guys, and that's uh,
you know, players active and retired, you know, buying into
or or becoming owners of of lcs's we've got.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
This is not new news. Tom Brady's bought into the
card store card Vault, but they're expanding their reach with
new new locations, including I believe next week they'll be
opening right near Mettlife Stadium in New Jersey. He will,
he will be on hand for that grand opening.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
JJ Hoover, former Cincinnati Reds pitcher, just opened up his
store near Cincinnati in Alexandria, Kentucky. We we we will
see a lot of players get involved directly, either with
card stores or hobby entities. You know, is this is
this good or bad for the hay I don't think
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it's bad, but.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I believe you guys, hear me, yep, I believe it's
I think I think the thing that drove this was
the whole like equity share, when Sanagas Fanatics came in
and you know, took the license for a lot of things,
and when I when I saw the when I was
reading my first article about that and I saw that
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fine line that athletes are getting the equity share in
this the equity pieces is cool and like there's also
like a double down investment on themselves.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
And why not get into a space and.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Place where you can benefit and make money and get
a piece of a pipe, but also learn the business
and get like a profitable store and add that to
your portfolio. And if you have a recognize and people
want to come to your store, it only it only
doubles the value.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Comment here from Peppino, doctor Jim and Samy. I'm not
sure if the athletes are in it for the love
of the hobby or the income. Why not both?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Right? Maybe they do love the hobby and some of
the money that can be made. Listen, I'll say.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
That I'm not Tom Brady by any stretching imagination, but
I love the hobby. I got in as a seven
year old when I could care less what the cards
were worth.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I just was collecting certain guys.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
And now you know, years later, nothing's changed other than
the fact I do two card shows a month as
a seller.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I like selling cards too, because where does that money
I make selling cards? Where does most of it go
back in the hobby buying more cards, right, So I
don't think that's terrible. If if they're just in it
for the money, you know, that would probably bother me
a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
But that's their business too, say I don't care about.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
You, I would say this. I would say this.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Having the privilege to work a lot of cards and
come card shows and be behind the scenes and talk
with a lot of athletes, I've learned, so you learn
so much about them as a person. And there are
a lot of them who have these these hobbies themselves.
Some of them may be cards, some of them may
be legos, like they have their own little things. And
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there are a lot of athletes in this space who
play professional sports who love collecting cards, and I think
for many of them it becomes a homotherapy. It becomes
the past time for them where the pressures of like
being the athlete and making big time shots are catching
big time passes, throwing big time passes.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
This is the one place where like, yes, there are.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
A lot of people who recognize me, but it's also
a spaces and place where I get to be myself
and I get to partake its enjoy some nostyles and
a lot of them have backgrounds of collecting cards as kids,
so you know, having that lens and seeing them that
human side of them and not like, oh, I'm the
time athlete. It's pretty cool when you learn their stories.
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So I think it's a little bit of both. But
if I had to say which one I would lean towards,
I would lean towards the more like passion side that
they love to collect, you know, especially when you learn
stories about like you know some NBA players who are
like these foremost like lego buildings and they have a
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ton of like lego sets in their homes and that's
what they do for that therapy decompressed.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
So I think I think it's passionate.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah. And in tom Brady's case, listen, he doesn't need
to invest in card Vault because he needs another payday. Uh.
And now he's doing broadcasting that pays him. I don't
know how many millions, it's it's a lot, right, So
he's got to have a little like he's showing up
to the events, right, It's not like he's just a
silent partner or where they Hey, you can use my name,
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but I won't be there to say tom Brady's involved,
Like he's showing up to these events. It's got to
be cool for people attend these events to get to
meet him, shake his hand and kind of be in
the same room with him. Whether you know you like
him or not.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
As a Steeler fan, I have a little bit of
distaste for him, but that's that's just because we have
a couple of less Lombardies because of that guy.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
But you know, you can't argue with the greatness that
you know he is. T J doesn't.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Tony doesn't think this will end well. He says, Tom
Brady knows as much about cards and this hobby's Michael Rubin,
this probably.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Won't end well. I don't know about that. Well, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Stuke says, Hey, I've gone the former NHL w h
a goalie Joe Daily store in Winnipeg for for thirty
years and there's a former hockey player who's owned the
store for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
I think that that if you know, if you do
something for thirty years, whether it's financial or not, you
do anything for thirty years with some passion there. So,
doctor Jim, I haven't heard from you on athletes uh
owning entities and cards.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
That the key is not owning, the key is managing.
If they're the passive where you show up every once
in a while, that you're not in that business. You're
just you're just a part owner. And Tom Brady, I'm
not sure he invested money and say, look, we're going
to give you fifty percent of this business because we
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think you're going to double it overnight because of the
power of your name, and you're going to be you're
going to be required or part of the dealer.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
You've got to.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Come once a month to the whatever. But he's not
going to be actively.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
Managed business.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
To know much about the business other than himself. And
I hope, I hope it works out great. Having a
hobby shop is hard. You've done it, John, I know
I've done it. It's not easy, especially if you're selling
selling wax, not a big deal, selling singles, the cards,
getting things ready for the customers. It is difficult. So
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most of the new stores that I see, like the
Card Vault, is heavy on the unopened and appearances and
and you know, things like that probably breaks, you know,
a digital component on ste So I hope it works.
I hope it works, and it needs to work financially,
not just uh and it and it probably will probably
JJ Hoover is more the person to look at of
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somebody that's probably going to be actively in the st
a lot. Now, if that happens a lot again, that's
that's great. That's validation.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Cash and is March I'll mettion him. Former Steeler linebacker.
He owns a card store. He's a he's big in
the Pokemon so that sports cards in there as well.
And that's a great point you made, doctor Jim.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
There's a difference from a store owner who unlocks the
door every morning, in comes in and runs the store,
then someone that sort of attaches their name on it
like Tom Brady, no doubt, no doubt, like you said,
as a former LCS owner for seven years to you know,
which was a.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Lot of fun. But we didn't have any silent part,
you know, Tom Tom Brady wasn't a thing yet, but
we didn't have an athlete. We just put his name
on it. But we wouldn't have done that anyway. So
there's there. That's a great point.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Seeing there every day, making sure everything that needs to
happen happens, paying the bills, ordering the right stuff. You know,
Brady's not doing that with card Well, he's pretty much
it's it's almost like an nil deal, right, name, image
and likeness. He's kind of saying, you can use my name,
my likeness, and I'll be here maybe once a month
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or whatever they agreed upon.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Deal is.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
So I don't I don't think it's necessarily bad, but
maybe I think we should probably put more give more
credit to the former athletes who are, you know, in
the trench as you will getting it done, you know.
So a couple of comments here. I see Rex again.
He's a current duel store owner. He says, curious to
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see how these shops being opened near ballparks and stadiums
do so many people talk about converting sports fans and collectors,
But I think that potential might be overblown. It's a
great point.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I have a lot of sports buddies who don't collect
cards like I do. They may ask me some stuff
that they have.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Some a little bit of curiosity, but they don't they
don't really collect. How many opposites I got in the
cards as a young kid because I was a sports kid,
and then I found out about the cards and.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
I made that transition.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I don't know if that happens guys like sures for
some but maybe not at the same rate. So it's
a good point by Rex, right, just putting a card
store next to, you know, a major league ballpark or
football kind of stadium arena, does that automatically equal success?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Probably not a bad thing in that area too, right,
I guess, you know, I think for that, I think
it also depends.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
On how active that stadium is. You know, if you're
a stadium that's only playing twenty.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Five games or thirty five games a year, you know,
how much is that store going to be open?
Speaker 5 (48:30):
Now?
Speaker 3 (48:30):
If you're a stadium that's super active, there's a lot
of concerts, there's a lot of events going on. If
it's downtown, in a downtown area, you know, like in
Philadelphia where our stadiums are. It's not in downtown Philadelphia.
It's more in an area where it's surrounded by a community.
But it's not something like people will frequent every day
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unless there was like a major exporting going on. Now
they do have a casino down there, so that that's
more foot traffic. But you know, I think it all
depends on what's happening in the surround the area. And
where the stadium is located in proximity to like people,
where foot traffic, foot traffic is going to constantly come
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every day.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, that's a that's another great point, right, you got
sort of a captive audience when you're near. Now, that
don't mean your captive audience is going to spend money
in your store. But you know, maybe someone comes in
and they're not a collective, but their nephew is their
son is not there, or somebody.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
You know, you might get a sale like that. So
we got to keep that aspect in mind. A couple
of comments here, Uh, Tony says, uh, you know to
Stukes Scott with more athletes like daily owned stores, we're
starting to see a little bit more of that. Tony
got three models.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Letting fun be your profit if you don't, if you're
always worried about making money, I don't think it's that fun.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Me and doctor Jim have done shows me like what
do we do with the collection as we we get older?
Like what's the end?
Speaker 4 (50:03):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (50:03):
The end goal? I think Peppino Man's figured it out.
Doctor Jim.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
He says, I've never sold a card, but getting closer
to retirement when I plan to start setting up at
shows and selling off my collection as a means for
income while still enjoying the hobby anyway I can so.
Peppino Man says, hey, I'm not taking it with me.
I'm going to phase it out after retirement and use
that income for whatever he deems appropriate. So the point
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here I kind of agree with this from Tony says
Tom Brady is making the round their rounds only to
help the fanatics. I po which he's in old part
bought into that as well, so kind of the stock
if you will. Warren says, hey, I'm going to do
the same thing. Peppino Warren in Cleveland says, I'm going
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to sell. And that's something we've talked about, you know,
doctor Jim, Like, what's what happens to all this stuff
behind us here? And you know as we get older,
So you know, those two guys have us figured out.
Maybe maybe that's what I have to do. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Some stuff will obviously go to my son Jordan.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
I'll give it to my children.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
If they love it, they keep it, they want to
sell it.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
There you go, any on this topic, any any closing thoughts.
That's a Jim.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
Again, you were a store owner. Uh and and probably
manager too. And I was probably a co manager at
Best in the in the very early days. But rent
is a big portion of the expenses because the labor
if you're the manager, you know you're you're kind of
drawing from that. But your rent is a big expense,
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and it's way more if you're in proximity to the
stadium or a lot of foot traffic. Said, I don't
think foot traffic. You want the right kind of foot traffic. Yeah,
they're sports.
Speaker 5 (51:54):
Fans, but.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
I think they're going to see that they need to
try hobby. But it's it's not a recipe for success
necessarily to jack up your rent. And then the other
thing I was gonna say, John, did you have any
silent partners when you were at your store where you
had to give them half your profits when you did
all the work.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
No, I'd be out it. I wouldn't last that said years.
Speaker 4 (52:19):
Yeah, So I'm just saying it's it's it's tricky, but
it's worth giving it a try, and I hope it works.
I hope it works.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yeah, all right, guys, that's what We'll close out on
a high note here for sure, Right with Samuel's at
the Santilly show. As as as we.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Know, I've never been there.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
It's a show that me and some of the guys
I set up with here in the show circuit in
Central New York have discussed maybe potentially someday setting up
there and making the trip.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
I don't even have a problem, like I wouldn't mind
even going, just as a as a consumer. I'll start
with doctor Jim hasn't been Have you ever attended? It's
the gym.
Speaker 4 (53:02):
Long long, long, long time ago when it was such
a showcase and marker roll and back forty years ago,
well airline, those are the main ones I did. I
did a lot of the Philly shows. Shan Philly was
very similar. Did that okay?
Speaker 5 (53:19):
I mean uh so?
Speaker 3 (53:21):
I first I first experienced Chantilly a year ago, and
when I walked in, I was just like, man, this
is a great show and it's definitely one of the shows.
It's definitely like one of my top five shows I've
been to. Like I'm not going to improve the National
on that list, because that's just a whole totally different experience.
Speaker 5 (53:41):
But talking about like smaller.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Regional shows like Real Football Heavy, they have their moments
where they bring in good basketball athletes and baseball athletes.
But the one thing that stood out to me was
like this a diverse crowd of people that I saw,
like walking up and you see people from all walks
of life dis experience in this show. And the vendors
(54:03):
are amazing, very welcoming.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
I walked past a couple of tables on Friday night
and there was a few people who remember me from
last year and we just started chatting like it was
just like yesterday. So it's an amazing show. There's a
lot of people here. They got a lot of great
athletes here, you got Lawrence telling here, you got the
list of who's food from Emmitt Smith, you know, so
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Kyle Ripman is here as well, Kyle Richmond Junior. So
it's a great show. And I tell anybody if you
are like if you live in the DMV area, or
if you live in a Philly area and you're looking
for another regional show to go to out outside of
within the area, check check out the CSO show. And
I'm not just saying that because I'm going media for
(54:51):
for the I'm saying it because I come here as
a collector as well. And it's just a great experience
to to to see, feel and touch, you know.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
So Pryant, I'm gonna put you on the Hot Saints Sam.
And do you know how many tables are there? Approximately?
Rough estimates over over two hundred. I believe that it's
a good question.
Speaker 5 (55:15):
Oh on, I got to answer.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Okay, definitely more.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
Uh yeah, it says two hundred plus dealers in boots,
so it's gotta be more, gotta be more.
Speaker 5 (55:26):
There's a lot of table that's.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
Two hundred dealers, but yeah some table, some dealers have three,
four or five, even six tables, so yeah, you know,
it's it's definitely probably closer to one thousand then table.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
I don't I don't know the raw number, but I
can find out and I'll shoot you at text.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
All right.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
But there are a lot of a lot of dealers here.
A lot of the dealers here they do the National
A lot of dealers here do the Philly Show. So
it's like this, very like in stual community where everyone
comes together and you see a lot of them at
the same shows.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
It's I always say to hobbies a fraternity, right, just yes,
you know, another meeting to get together and you know,
I gotta get down there.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
It's something that's on on.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
The here today, all right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (56:19):
No, it's it's it's a good vibe. Like it's a
real good vibe.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
And you know, last year when I was here, I
got the opportunity to sit down with some of the
sandlocked guys and we just had like these organic conversations
back at the hotel behind the curtain and just like
hanging out. And a lot of athletes are super cool,
especially when you're back at the hotel and they're sitting
in a lobby area and they just strike up these conversations.
(56:44):
Like last night, we came back from eating dinner and
Emma Smith is just I mean, he's sitting down there
with his handler, but he's sitting around the table with
a bunch of regular people and they all playing cards
and just talking about sports, and he's sharing all his
stories from the past.
Speaker 5 (57:00):
So it's it's a it's a bid. It's a vibrant community.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (57:06):
And it's a it's a show that if you want
to get some good stories as well.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yeah, no doubt card show.
Speaker 4 (57:14):
Em Back in the day, Emitt had his own card
show with his family.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
So even even then, right, just kind of athletes in
the hobbies. Not necessarily new. I just think we're seeing
we're seeing more of it even nowadays. So well, Samuel, Uh,
you know, enjoyed the show. Don't work too hard, have
some make some fun in there, uh as well, and
uh glad to glad to share an hour with you,
(57:43):
a little over an hour with you this morning. And
doctor Jim. Always always a pleasure. I think it's been
well even since we've done it, so I know we've
done plenty of them. It's been a bit so uh,
thank you everyone in the chat room.
Speaker 3 (57:58):
Well, doctor Beckett, was a pleasure to meeting you virtually. John,
I know we always hang out. Yeah, it's definitely a
president pleasure of meeting you virtually doctor Beckett and hearing
your welcome knowledge. I'm an educator by day, so to
sit in this virtual space and just scare the depth
of knowledge to breadth of knowledge was amazing for me
(58:18):
and my girlfriends and collector and even a person. So
just wanted to give you your flowers and say I
appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
Well, look forward to seeing you at the National.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yes, thank you to everybody in chat room.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
Very active, very insightful and even if you're if you're
not in the chat room and you're listening to this
after the fact on a on a you know podcast download,
we appreciate you as well. You're giving your time to
us as well. So whatever the case may be, thanks
everybody out there as well. So we'll be back here
(58:50):
next week and we'll see you. We'll see you then.
Thanks guys, Every good weekend.
Speaker 4 (59:15):
Sh
All right, good Saturday morning. It's time for another episode
of Hobby Highline number three thirty nine. To be exact,
I don't know where does the time go.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
That's just uh, you know, it's it's crazy to think
we're on three thirty nine and happy to be joined
by two guys.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I didn't realize this that haven't been on this show
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So that's uh, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
And to my right on the screen, doctor James Beckett,
and to his right mister Samuel Evans, who's at the
Me and doctor Jim are jealous because he's at the
Chantilly and and and we're home.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We're home here.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
But nonetheless, nonetheless we're gonna we're gonna chop up some
hobby today.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Some topics.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I think we'll start off, guys with, uh, the news
that you can uh you know, buy something on eBay.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And there's some parameters here.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I'll go over and send it, have it sent right
from eBay to p s A G graded obviously the
car some parameters here.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Obviously the car has to be raw. Uh, you can't
grade and graded card. It has to go.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It has to be over two hundred and fifty dollars
in the sale because it's got to go through the
eBay authenticity guarantee. When it passes that, then it will
go uh to PSA for grading will be for thirty
nine forty dollars for this service will be at their
(02:08):
value level, so maybe three to four months before you
have it in your hands, and obviously there's no guarantee
of the grade, and what you're going by is the
scans because you're never actually gonna have the card in
your possession. I'll start with doctor Jim, you know, I mean,
obviously you know they have a relationship with the Vault
(02:32):
being owned by the eBay Vault and PSAU. Doctor Jim,
your thoughts, you know. So i'mone that has obviously a
grading background on this new this new venture two parties.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Well, grading is very competitive, as everyone knows. But there
are three things. I mean, PSA is making a lot
of right moves. What they've done is they've tried to
make it even more accessible, even easier and safer. Let's
let's changing hands. All those are good things because you
can see they've done the game stop thing. They're branched
(03:05):
out internationally, so they're they're really focusing on those things
what I don't like. What I don't like the two
things that it's not. Hey, Samuel, you may mean to mute.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Yeah, I'm sorry, you're not talking.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
We're gonna we're gonna really understand the show because we're
gonna hear it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We will feel like we're there.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Any rate.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
The eBay thing, it's not that economical. Okay, it is safe,
it's easy as accessible, but it's not that economical, and
it's not very relational. And I think there's a huge opportunity.
I mean, the bulk suburbs kind of built p s A.
The dealers, and so this is bypassing them and I
(03:52):
so that those are the only two negatives, but it's
it's inevitable that people want to work with eBay, and
once it gets in the eBay system, they want to
keep it there. And so PSA, this is a good move.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Your munit still there, you go.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, I would agree with doctor Beckett. I love the
innovation piece. Whenever you could be innovative in a space
like the hobby. And by the way, good morning everyone,
coming to you live from the CSA show.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
You hear all the noise in the background. But I
love the innovation piece.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
But I think something that doctor Beckett spoke about that
resonates with me is that that personal experience, you know
what I mean? And I think that that is what
the hobby is centered around, those personal connections, those those
those human moments. I call it human capital. I call
it the human capital of the hobby where we have
(04:44):
this ongoing exchange. And I think ps A and eBay
needs to figure that part out. How do we how
do we make it feel human? How do we incorporate
that human element in it so people could have that
extra reinsurance it's about safety and or less of change
the hands and give them some good thoughts while their
(05:05):
card is going through the process.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
So I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
A couple couple comments here, guys you know, Stuke says,
will they have a dedicated staff for eb A grading.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I'm guessing it'll just be incorporated into the authenticators, the
guys that the men and women who you know say
the cards good and what it's advertised as being, and
then it will be forward on the PSA good point
by Abele in Vegas here he says, this is a
teared pricing, so if you buy a card for twenty
(05:40):
five hundred, the grading fee will go up accordingly, So
forty bucks is kind of like the baseline model, if
you will. As someone who grades guys, everything I've ever
graded i've had in my hand at one time or another.
I've never graded blind, so to speak. I'll call it
use that term where the card has not been in
(06:02):
my hand. So I don't think this will be I
don't want to say one hundred percent. I don't see
myself using it. Just not because I'm against it or
it's terrible, it's just traditionally, like you said, Samuel and
doctor Jim, I've always had the card in hand to
look at it, to see is it even worth having
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it graded, and that sort of thing. So you know,
I think it can be risky, right, you know, pictures
only can tell so much.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Obviously, having a card in person, in your hand to
see the true condition of it, you know, is paramount.
So don't I don't think I would do this. I know,
doctor Jim, you know obviously a lot of your slabs
are pecky, But would this be something if you use
would this be something you could do that? Or like me,
(06:53):
you have to have that card in hand.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Well, correction, Yeah, all right, I.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Figured I want to find a different one, and then
then that would be shocking.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
But uh, well, well, let's let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
If this was Beckett, the same deal, but Beckett, instead
of to say would you utilize it like that? Or
would you would you still say I really need to
have that card in hand before I have them.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Here's the problem that ps A is going to have
and the reason that me Samuel your point as well
taken about the human capital. But I don't think eBay's
too big. So say I buy a card from Samuel
on eBay and I trust him and everything like that,
but if it's a raw card and I'm paying paying,
paying big bucks, then I'm guessing that I'm gonna want
(07:41):
to have a side deal with Samuel to say, you
know what I'm sending this to. I'm sending this direct
to collectors to p s A, and if it comes
back at seven, you got a deal. But if it
comes back as a six, I want to rebate or
I want to cancel it because you're you told me
this was near mint or whatever it is, and I
can't see it, but I want a third party judgment.
(08:04):
I think there could be. So now that's a relational
element that's not going to be fun. And so side
deals because you're buying its sight unseen and you might
have some recourse if again the authentication thing, I don't
think they're going to be judging the condition in the
authentication step. I think that's more. Is this a real
card is a counterfeit? They send it a PSA and
(08:25):
they find a bad blemish on the back that knocks
down the technical grade. Then you've got a three headed
mess between eBay psafour with the buyer and the seller.
So that's the relational element that could go awry.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, I think I think that's I think that's a
great point. And I think they really need to get
the right people at the table to sit down and
like really triize that and think about, like how do
we work through these issues and these predictions that could
possibly happen because the hobby is built on relationships and
you don't want those relationship those relationships because you're hoping
(09:01):
for this high high grade and it comes back and
you're like, wait a minute, I paid all this money
and I got this grade. The two aren't added up,
you know, So that's that's another great point.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I think what a seller is gonna do, doctor Jim
and Sam or say hey, you saw the pictures. That's
the same card. You know that is in the picture.
But you know, technically it's not like tom c where
eBay has the card already, So that seller could put
whatever pictures he wants on the eBay platform and then
(09:35):
send for you know, you hope this don't happen, but
it could right send a different card. And like you said,
doctor Jim, all the authentication service part of eBay's is
doing is just authenticating that the card is real, not
trimmed or after they're not. They're not putting a grade
on the card itself. So that's a that's a great point.
(09:58):
And then you got a dilemma. It's like it'll be
a he said, she said type of where you got
a seller going, you know, a buyer going after seller saying.
You know, the sellers can say, hey that's the car
that put pictures out. I don't know what else you
saw them, you bought it. You know, the seller might
say go ahead, or.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Or I think what what eve a commandate is that
if you are possibly doing if any of your product
has possibly labeled a setup for direct to PSA. You
got to send it to us, and we hold it
and you continue to post it online and if somebody
buy it, we already have it in our possession and
we can give we can give that that that buyer,
(10:38):
some that seller some upfront information about this card if
they want to do direct to PSA. So like your
front loaded and with information so that way they can
make an informed decision and say, all right, here's a
possible outcome for this card. I really love this card.
I'm not trying to make money on it, but I
want it in my PC. I'll take that risk, you know,
(10:59):
So any any information helps, you know, to allow someone
to make an informed decision, especially when you're dealing with
a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Doctor Jim, I mean, what are your thoughts on, you know,
maybe someone pulling a switcher room or even without a
switcher room. People just say the pictures didn't illustrate that,
Like I didn't see that on on your scans, and
and if I would have saw that, I probably wouldn't
have made this purchase.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
So I want to I want to reverse this transaction.
I mean this could open up I mean that happens
under normal circumstances without degrading asspect thrown in. But kind
of your thoughts there.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
You're asking me to think like a criminal.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, listen, we don't have that that small part of us.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
That any system can be beaten if you really really
want to. But you know what what Samuel saying by
the rational capital to me, part of that is dealing
with people that you know and like you you know them,
they're they're you're friends with them. Like at a card show.
You you're dealing with the person you see a face,
you know, you can shake hands, you you you observe
(12:03):
them in business eBay a little bit blind, uh, you know,
and you can't just say, hey, they got a lot
of a lot of good feedback. Uh, you just don't know.
And mistakes can be honest, mistakes can be made. So yeah,
that's why card shows are cool, you know. And dealing
with people that you.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Know, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Uh a comment here, want to get Stuke says, Hey,
probably a good idea to send the card directly to p.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
S A. I've had a card damage by the eBay
authentication process. So he's he said, a card he's bought
that went the eBay authentication uh, was was damaged, and
you know it could happen, right, people dropped things. I've dropped.
I've dropped my own uh stuff and dinged the corner.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Not not a fun moment, but you know what happens,
and so you know, there's no guarantees that can't happen.
All they're trying to do is guarantee that the card
is legit in the in the real McCoy. If someone
does that, you know, other than having the before and
after pictures, it would be And then again it becomes
(13:05):
that he said, she said that. eBay probably could say,
how do we know you didn't? Well, it's gonna be graded,
but they're gonna say, you know, they didn't do it, you.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Know what I mean. And the body's gonna say, well,
I didn't do it because I never touched the cards.
So who did it?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
And who wants to put expensive raw cards were mainly
I don't know, we're mainly talking vintage, but vintage cards
that are not graded and are expensive are suspect.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's why I would never probably use this because it's
just too many question marks and things that pratfalls and stuff.
For me as someone who grades, I always have you know,
the cards in hand and as a bulks of have
other people's cards in hand too, and so you know,
it's it's a great it's a something you said earlier too.
(13:56):
Doctor Jim, is are you gonna get these these deals?
Hinge done the grade? Like, hey, I'll give you an
extra so and so if this thing gets a set
like I'm buying it, but if it grades high, I'll
throw you. And how would you do that on the
eBay platform? And it almost would be have to be
like a verbal promise. You could you know, once you
(14:16):
get the card bag, you could say no, I didn't
say that, or I'm not doing that. So you know,
ilus would have to be baked into the system.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, Like I said, eBay and PSA should like sit
down and make sure they have the right people at
the table and come up with like some guidelines and
buy laws to this process so ensure because like, at
the end of the day, collecting is a business and
we can't be naive and ignore that. Right, Yes, we
are are passionate collectors, but like people are investingating hard
(14:47):
earn money into building their collection, and some people are
like not like me. I don't really care about numeric grade.
I just love the card. But there are some people
who care about that numeric grade. And I think if
this is a prediction that we can make right now
and the three of us, they need to have the
right people at the table thinking about this and creating
(15:09):
some bylaws and guidelines so people can make informed decisions,
and you know, bring the sellers to the table in life.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Is this something you're willing to agree to?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah? A couple of comments here.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Re Rex says that's part of the problem with letting
eBay ps A handle the whole thing. You just have
no idea who's handling your cards. We've already seen dozens
of missing cards submitted to PSA two game Stop if
you ask me, some of the stories I've heard with
the game Stop entity and that have been nightmare scenarios
with cards being switched or different cards in return.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
So that thing I would I would never entertain. Even that.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Ruben thinks we're gonna have a future where this won't
be a problem because all cards will come out graded
out of a package. There are products where cards are
graded in the pack. I don't know if we'll you know,
it'll never be one hundred percent. I wouldn't want I
wouldn't want that. It's not traditional how it goes. So
good morning, Warren. I'm trying to put up the Good
(16:15):
morning Dan Ryan from Syracuse. Right there, he asked, I
would love to hear doctor Jim's thoughts on how businesses
in the hobby react during periods of how economic anxiety
as we witness meek, or how it impacts collector's point
of view.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, I can answer that question right now, and not
to cut you off, doctor Beckett. I'm at the CSA show,
and this show is busy. There are a lot of
people here. I was here yesterday Friday night, towards the
tail end when I drove in from the Philly area
and it was still people here, but like ninety minutes
to Spare and then arriving here this morning to see
(16:56):
the line outside and down the pathway. You know, the
hobby is in a healthy space and place, and you know,
and I think the vendors here are pricing their cards
very well where you know they can target those different
markets of people who want to buy high end cards
or people who want to buy the more low in cards.
Because I see people and looking through the dollar bens
(17:19):
and the half all bends, and I see people looking
at the high end showcases. So doesn't look pretty scary
to me from my point of view. But you know,
everybody has their their space in place.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well, let's segue with that question. Guys, let's move into
this topic. Right. We know what's going on in the
economy with with tariffs Dan's question. Yeah, yeah, let me
put it back up to that way.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
That was a thoughtful question. He's a thoughtful guy. Yeah. Basically,
the way I break it down is full time businesses
versus part time business. Any full time business is nervous
now part time business or laughing all away the bank.
It's a great when the stock market's up. People have money.
When the stock market's down, they spend money on cards
(18:08):
and stuff because the stock market stinks. So if you're
if you're a side gig person, you know that's Samuel.
I think that's why the shows are real big now
because people are thinking, hey, at least I can go
flip some cards, trade some cards, buy some cards, sell
some cards. But if you're a full time business, those
are the ones that are more impacted by the tariffs
(18:29):
and the economy and general malaise in the economy. But
the side gig business gets hot when other things are bad.
And so the Dallas show, same thing, Samuel, It's it's
just last show was one of the best ever and
the next one might be even better. Anyway, Sorry, that
was my response to.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, yeah, and Dan's said, Dan's local to me, I
see him at the local shows here a good guy
and I'll even forgive them from the packers of that
being said. But uh, you know what, I've been getting
a lot of emails. I'm sure you guys have have
two from different hobby entities kind of addressing the tariffs.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
A few of those have have basically come out and said, uh,
until until anything's reversed, their prices will go up on products. Unfortunately.
So you know, I have hobby effect question Mark. It
really is no question prices are going up on some
of these entities offerings were ready and announce that and
(19:31):
send emails. And you know we talked about the show
is not shows are not slowing down, and that is strong.
I don't think that's gonna change because of terrorffs. Well,
what about these companies?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And you did you did say it?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Doctor Jim that you know, these full time companies are
gonna maybe take it a direct hit waste tariffs and
the policies that come with them.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I mean, how big of a hit might this be?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
And and and then obviously you know a lot of
it supplies, and so if you've got to buy supplies,
maybe they cost more. We kind of saw that during
COVID when soft sleeves went from a bucket pack to
like three four or five bucks a pack. And that's
just one item as an example. But kind of your
thoughts here on the full time companies, guys, and how
(20:21):
do they you know, survive until they either go away
or get rescinded or moderated.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, I mean yeah, And doctor Jim, have you ever
you know, I don't remember. I know tariffs are not
a new thing, but they're not always common. And maybe
to the percentage we're seeing, do you think this is
maybe a little overblown or not necessarily.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
It's presidential jousting with other nations, and there'll be a resolution,
but the resolution probably will be not going back the
way it was. There'll be some level of tariffs that
that Trump is claiming they're reciprocal and all that, but
like I say, I just think the one of the
pivotal points in our hobby was when the prices went
(21:07):
way up. In fact, several times when prices have gone up,
it's not bad for the hobby. In eighty nine, upper
Deck came in and just it was was, oh, well
it's gonna ah, I can't believe it. They are going
to be a dollar a pack or eighty nine cents
a pack, and so the and so. But did the
industry grow through that. Yeah, when prices go up and
even costs go up, that's not a problem. You know,
(21:28):
the three four basketball upper Deck exquisite, you know that
was unprecedented. Higher prices are not necessarily bad news in
the hobby. Higher costs even because because it's a hobby,
ultimately people want the cards, and you know, so many
of these products are going above SRP anyway, So if
the SRP goes up, maybe that means there's not as
(21:50):
much run up beyond that. I just think that the
ecosystem finds a way to look for the inefficiencies and
the opportunities there, and it's so diverse. So I won't
say it's much ado about nothing, because I think it's
some of these terrors are really pretty significant. But when
it all gets done, we're gonna be working with Canada
(22:12):
for sure, and China maybe another story. But China is
not the only part of the of Asia. You know,
You've got Japan which is a huge hotbed. You know,
the Europeans, p S, A, BGS, UK, all those things.
I think those things are gonna get worked out. But
it may be a you know, kind of a difficult
(22:33):
time here for the you know, for the next weeks
or months, which is just again wreaking havoc with the
stock market, which further makes people nervous. And but it's
got to be resolved and I think it will be.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
But I'm no expert. I'm not the expert in this,
but I think in times like this, other markets come
to come into play, and people find ways to get
their fix and buy cards, whether it's singles, whether it's
it's packs, or whether it's boxes. So you know, the
hobby has always found a way to reinvent it. So
(23:10):
even when the bubble bursts during the jump wax era,
and next thing, you know, we all at home at
COVID and now cards are the new mainstream again. So
you know, we'll we'll get through it.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
A couple of comments guys.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Vintage card collector says impossible to measure, but economic turbulence
has some impact on people's body.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
This isn't sure.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Anytime you look at your your four one K statement
when it comes in or your I arrays and you
see that number maybe go down from the previous one
you received, it can. It can be scary and impact
obviously how much money you spend, especially if you think
it's gonna be a long term down trend.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Dan thanks you doctor Beckett for your answer, and says
it feels like a time to be opportune opportunistic for
little guy like me, Rex who who operates two stores,
So we'll get him this take here On the ground level,
BCW said they will be raising prices on supplies. Yes,
I'm an affiliate of THEIRS and I got all that
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info as well. No surprise there. Japanese Pokemon cards will
also be less of a bargain than they have been.
Cooter says the impact of tariffs haven't hit yet. Turnions
of dollars in disposal income has been put in. Jeffard
think the arrffs won't negatively impact the hobby's just wrong
short the hobby. So Cooter's hooters are a little bit
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more sky is falling, right. I mean, the Hobby's still
gonna survive, but he thinks maybe a little bit more
of a hit than we might be thinking.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And that's you know, we're gonna find that out.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Another comment, Ryan McClanahan, I think that I don't think
that card companies take a terriff fit like they did
in the thirties. That was different, and the card manufacturers
the larger hit when this at amendment was implemented in
nineteen thirteen.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So a little bit of history. Cooner says, doctor Jim,
you're giving too much credit for people being rational.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
He's not my guy.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Coon is my guy, Doctor Jim voice the reason for
American Listen. Maybe this is the start of doctor James
Beckett for president. It all started today. You got my
vote at this point, so Gordon pank says. But respectfully,
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higher prices discourage people from buying her a lot.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Of not necessarily. Not necessarily, it wasn't higher prices. It
made people leave. They left because the prices were too low,
because of junk wax. It's counter instinctual. High prices bring
people in low prices, send them away. These cards aren't
with anything even more. Now again you're just used to
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pay an X, and now you're going to pay one
hundred and ten percent of X. And you've had choice
to either do it or not do it. Uh. And
again there's no tariff on the cards you're holding in
your hand. The hobby is I don't know if it's
ninety percent what is already existing.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Is from the probably.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
At Shantilly, how much how many cards there? What percentage
is the last year or two?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
No, it's true again, a lot of stuff's already in circulation. Right,
So that's that's already here and it doesn't have to
necessarily ship internationally and that sort of thing. And like
Sam I made a great point, right, people figure out
a way if they really want to me preference. I
say that if people really want to stay active in
the hobby, they find a way. There's different ways to hobby.
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I've said it a million times Sunday on my content.
There's waste of hobby, whether it be dollar boxes, uh,
you know, low grade vintage, rather than there's just whatever
aspect you're in. There's there's ways to stay active and
just kind of adapt no matter what the economic situation.
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We got one of our hobby hotline, a lom sneak
doing a cameo.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Hi Alex, I don't I'm assuming you could hear us.
So man, now we're really Now I'm really jealous.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Alex said he was going photo bomb. So there we
have it. We got four people on today.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, a couple more comments and then we'll kind of
move on. Rex again says, we place the decent sized
supply order through Fanatics. Their prices haven't changed yet, but
all that stuff comes from China, so I anticipate that
they will. Uh TJ says, Hello, better late than never.
Pipedo Man says, as a collector, I disagree with lower
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prices driving people away. So if a penal man says
doctor Jim, I respectfully disagree.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
You know, I get if you're if you're someone that's
just then it for the dollar sign.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, I'm sure that the lower prices are are deflating
to you or you know, I'm listen. I'm not full time,
but I set up at shows guys about two a month. Uh,
you know, it is what it is. I just have
to adapt rite whatever the prices you have a choice.
You adapt and do okay hopefully or or well, or
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you don't adapt and you don't do well, and then
that experience isn't fun anymore and he probably wind up
not doing it.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
So go ahead, go ahead, Sammon.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
So I have a unique perspective to like what you
just said, Like as a kid growing up in North Philly, right,
I'll fave radius. I had a lot of collectors in
my neighborhood, and our experience wasn't like my experiences today
in the hobby like going to shows, hobby stores, the
Beckett book, like all those things that like cultivate your
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experience and your exploration of collecting.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
It was just us and we made it.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
We made it our thing, and like we knew about like, oh,
these cards are worth something, but we didn't have that
like knowledge and understanding of it. But we also understood,
like when the time came and we heard the news
that like cards wasn't worth anything, a lot of people
like left the space for like multiple reasons, you know,
like you lose interest or like they don't have any value.
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Like I still remember at thirteen packing out my box
of cards and throwing them in the trash and feeling
like heartbroken that I'm leaving the hobby, you know, and
I was like, one day I'll come back. But I
just think the perspective is different on like why people
left in the nineties. I think it has something to
do with the value aspect, the low value of it.
And I also think it has a lot to do
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with who's experience or the lack thereof. So there's multiple
ways you can look at it. It's not it's not
it's not one specific issue yet.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
A couple more or last comments, Vic there says he
feels it's gonna be the biggest hit.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Will be on supplies.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
A lot of it comes from overseas in China specifically.
I agree with that, but you know, we'll see. If
it a question, I don't know the answer to this question.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Guys. Fanatics may manufacture cards in the US, but where
is the paper being resourced from? I don't specifically know.
I don't know if either doctor Jim Samuel, I don't
know if you're familiar with where.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
The A lot of paper comes from Canada.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Okay, all right, so there's some terror potential. Uh, you know,
I know they're they're one of the countries getting hit.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Uh, Gordon Gordon Pang says it depends on how long
it's nonsense last for most of For most of us,
after all, cards are about disposable, and come, I'm going
to be spending less if it's going to be a while.
So yeah, I mean this stuff, you know, impacts people. Right,
here's another one. When the cost of necessities goes up,
money available for the hobby goes down. From from couter
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Word says COVID really had an explosion effect on a
hobby watching vintage slowly come back down as expected. And
I like it because as a vintage guy, I've been
able to buy some stuff at a little less prices. So,
you know, like doctor Jim said, lower prices, I like it,
especially when I'm buying stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Maybe not, you know, I know dealers who maybe do
it more full time than even I do don't always
like lower prices selling. But I won't. I won't comply,
so our complaint. Mike Petty says, I buy what people
are afraid. Go ahead, doctor, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
It's again. It just it's not all about disposable income.
Cards are currency, so if times are bad, it's like, oh,
I don't have any money to buy cards. Well, wait
a minute. I got a bunch of cards. I can sell,
I can trade, I can do lots of things. In fact,
some of the cards that you would sell are instant
money if you've got the right seal it.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
So it's not about hey.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
I've got to I just keep buying and buying and buying,
and I never sell those kind of people if they
never sell and they just keep buying. And if they're
buying individual cards, you know they have some sense of purpose.
But if they're buying into breaks, buying unopened wax, they're
gonna have to sell some stuff. But again, that's part
of what's happening at Chantilly. It's not just people coming
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in with wallets and I want to spend some money. Now,
they're bringing in cards to trade, cards to sell. It's
a whole ecosystem, and there's probably more selling going on
and more willing willingness to sell when times are uncertain.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Yeah, I was talking. I was talking to some dealers.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
There are a lot of people who are like coming
in to sell cards, and dealers are buying cards and
and vice versa. Like you, I tend to when I
come to shows, I tend to walk the room and
just listen to the sounds and watch the sites, and
you see a lot of that exchange, trade value, cash value,
like all those different things. And there's no like fear
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of like I'm not I'm not buying right now. Even
when I was at White Planes for just one day,
walking around, uh you know, making hobby content, you saw
a lot of people in there selling their cards and
a lot of dealers buying cards, and then vice versa.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
So this avenues for for like everything.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
A few more comments, guys, and then we'll go to
the next subject.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Uh, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Jeff reminds us that cards have some plastic and metal
components as well, uh in them as not just paper.
Tj echoing kind of what doctor Jim said. With vintage, right,
tariff hopefully won't unpact me with vintage anyway, Vintage prices
still need some correcting to towards pre COVID levels. A
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Pipino man, uh says, prices price hikes don't stop me
from collecting just the way I spend money.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's right. You can, you can.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
You can still be active without even transacting. You can,
you can make trades. You can, uh, you know, do
a lot of things without even taking out uh your wallet.
So Abel says, with the stock market, could that lead
to certain people parking money and cards.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I think that happens now. Uh. You know again we
talked about this cards our commodity. Whether you do it
for that reason that that's on you or up to you.
But cards are commodity and like to like doctor Jim said,
some of these cards and I own some. We all
own some that are very liquid.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Right if we needed some money, we could sell the
cards rather quickly and that sort of thing. That's just
uh the way it is.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
So you know, Mike Patty put go ahead, Sam, well done.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Percent of the yeah is commodity. But the ten percent
of cards that are not a commodity, that are really
hard to find, that are on the floor of Chantilly
right now, many of them those are. That's like I said,
sometimes that's better than cash. Commodity cards are not bad
because there's a lot of there's when times are good,
there's a lot of liquidity, a lot of people are interested,
and there's a lot of action there. But the junk
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wackx era is the commodities were recognized as being unsustainable,
too many out there, and then the price dropped, and
like Samuel said, when when people went around in those
days saying, hey, will you buy my cards? They said, no, no,
we're not buying your ninety two fleer or something. You know,
you're just you know, And so the lack of liquidity,
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and so we don't have that now. The commodities are
much lower than they used to be, but they're higher
than a long time ago. So again the EBB and flow,
John is healthy, and there have to be some cards
that are commodities that are available to kids and people
with less money, and there's always going to be the
high end that's in frequently driving the headlines.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Strong and even to your point, doctor Beckett, like the
past couple of shows that I've been to, like, yeah,
you see Vinceince being so traded bought back and forth,
but you also see a lot of like nineties stuff
and a lot of like inserts from the nineties, and
like people are buying those rare insert cards from the
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nineties and and some like cool bas cards of like
Hall of Fame players. So like even though like a
lot of those cards aren't jump wax cards, but you
still see that resurgence and that urge.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
So like I want this very rare insert.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Card of Michael Jordan ur Shaquille O'Nell like Hall of
Famers and superstars.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, well, real quick, just from Dan, he's basically asking
about fractional share companies, whether they exist anymore? They do,
I mean, collectible does it. I believe all is still functioning,
but I don't think. But a lot of those fractional
share companies, guys, as you well know, they do cards,
but they do other things. They're doing, you know, liquor, purses, handbag, cars,
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and so they're they're spread out across. Uh, they've diversified
the portfolio that they're offering. Fractional shares. Collectible, which was
strong on just cards and memorabilia, doesn't exist any They've
kind of dissolved. So there's the answer to that. Fractional
will always be a thing in some form or or fashion.
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But I don't think card wise, I don't think it's
what it once was is without without saying this, guys,
I was shocked at how big of it. You know,
people were really moved by this meter and interested, and
I get it. I mean, it is real life with
finances and stuff like that. So maybe I shouldn't be
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as surprised by the activity in the chat room. We'll
kind of go to our next topic, guys, and that's uh,
you know, players active and retired, you know, buying into
or or becoming owners of of lcs's we've got.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
This is not new news. Tom Brady's bought into the
card store card Vault, but they're expanding their reach with
new new locations, including I believe next week they'll be
opening right near Mettlife Stadium in New Jersey. He will,
he will be on hand for that grand opening.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
JJ Hoover, former Cincinnati Reds pitcher, just opened up his
store near Cincinnati in Alexandria, Kentucky. We we we will
see a lot of players get involved directly, either with
card stores or hobby entities. You know, is this is
this good or bad for the hay I don't think
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it's bad, but.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I believe you guys, hear me, yep, I believe it's
I think I think the thing that drove this was
the whole like equity share, when Sanagas Fanatics came in
and you know, took the license for a lot of things,
and when I when I saw the when I was
reading my first article about that and I saw that
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fine line that athletes are getting the equity share in
this the equity pieces is cool and like there's also
like a double down investment on themselves.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
And why not get into a space and.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Place where you can benefit and make money and get
a piece of a pipe, but also learn the business
and get like a profitable store and add that to
your portfolio. And if you have a recognize and people
want to come to your store, it only it only
doubles the value.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Comment here from Peppino, doctor Jim and Samy. I'm not
sure if the athletes are in it for the love
of the hobby or the income. Why not both?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Right? Maybe they do love the hobby and some of
the money that can be made. Listen, I'll say.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
That I'm not Tom Brady by any stretching imagination, but
I love the hobby. I got in as a seven
year old when I could care less what the cards
were worth.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I just was collecting certain guys.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
And now you know, years later, nothing's changed other than
the fact I do two card shows a month as
a seller.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I like selling cards too, because where does that money
I make selling cards? Where does most of it go
back in the hobby buying more cards, right, So I
don't think that's terrible. If if they're just in it
for the money, you know, that would probably bother me
a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
But that's their business too, say I don't care about.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
You, I would say this. I would say this.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Having the privilege to work a lot of cards and
come card shows and be behind the scenes and talk
with a lot of athletes, I've learned, so you learn
so much about them as a person. And there are
a lot of them who have these these hobbies themselves.
Some of them may be cards, some of them may
be legos, like they have their own little things. And
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there are a lot of athletes in this space who
play professional sports who love collecting cards, and I think
for many of them it becomes a homotherapy. It becomes
the past time for them where the pressures of like
being the athlete and making big time shots are catching
big time passes, throwing big time passes.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
This is the one place where like, yes, there are.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
A lot of people who recognize me, but it's also
a spaces and place where I get to be myself
and I get to partake its enjoy some nostyles and
a lot of them have backgrounds of collecting cards as kids,
so you know, having that lens and seeing them that
human side of them and not like, oh, I'm the
time athlete. It's pretty cool when you learn their stories.
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So I think it's a little bit of both. But
if I had to say which one I would lean towards,
I would lean towards the more like passion side that
they love to collect, you know, especially when you learn
stories about like you know some NBA players who are
like these foremost like lego buildings and they have a
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ton of like lego sets in their homes and that's
what they do for that therapy decompressed.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
So I think I think it's passionate.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah. And in tom Brady's case, listen, he doesn't need
to invest in card Vault because he needs another payday. Uh.
And now he's doing broadcasting that pays him. I don't
know how many millions, it's it's a lot, right, So
he's got to have a little like he's showing up
to the events, right, It's not like he's just a
silent partner or where they Hey, you can use my name,
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but I won't be there to say tom Brady's involved,
Like he's showing up to these events. It's got to
be cool for people attend these events to get to
meet him, shake his hand and kind of be in
the same room with him. Whether you know you like
him or not.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
As a Steeler fan, I have a little bit of
distaste for him, but that's that's just because we have
a couple of less Lombardies because of that guy.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
But you know, you can't argue with the greatness that
you know he is. T J doesn't.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Tony doesn't think this will end well. He says, Tom
Brady knows as much about cards and this hobby's Michael Rubin,
this probably.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Won't end well. I don't know about that. Well, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Stuke says, Hey, I've gone the former NHL w h
a goalie Joe Daily store in Winnipeg for for thirty
years and there's a former hockey player who's owned the
store for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
I think that that if you know, if you do
something for thirty years, whether it's financial or not, you
do anything for thirty years with some passion there. So,
doctor Jim, I haven't heard from you on athletes uh
owning entities and cards.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
That the key is not owning, the key is managing.
If they're the passive where you show up every once
in a while, that you're not in that business. You're
just you're just a part owner. And Tom Brady, I'm
not sure he invested money and say, look, we're going
to give you fifty percent of this business because we
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think you're going to double it overnight because of the
power of your name, and you're going to be you're
going to be required or part of the dealer.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
You've got to.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Come once a month to the whatever. But he's not
going to be actively.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
Managed business.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
To know much about the business other than himself. And
I hope, I hope it works out great. Having a
hobby shop is hard. You've done it, John, I know
I've done it. It's not easy, especially if you're selling
selling wax, not a big deal, selling singles, the cards,
getting things ready for the customers. It is difficult. So
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most of the new stores that I see, like the
Card Vault, is heavy on the unopened and appearances and
and you know, things like that probably breaks, you know,
a digital component on ste So I hope it works.
I hope it works, and it needs to work financially,
not just uh and it and it probably will probably
JJ Hoover is more the person to look at of
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somebody that's probably going to be actively in the st
a lot. Now, if that happens a lot again, that's
that's great. That's validation.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Cash and is March I'll mettion him. Former Steeler linebacker.
He owns a card store. He's a he's big in
the Pokemon so that sports cards in there as well.
And that's a great point you made, doctor Jim.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
There's a difference from a store owner who unlocks the
door every morning, in comes in and runs the store,
then someone that sort of attaches their name on it
like Tom Brady, no doubt, no doubt, like you said,
as a former LCS owner for seven years to you know,
which was a.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Lot of fun. But we didn't have any silent part,
you know, Tom Tom Brady wasn't a thing yet, but
we didn't have an athlete. We just put his name
on it. But we wouldn't have done that anyway. So
there's there. That's a great point.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Seeing there every day, making sure everything that needs to
happen happens, paying the bills, ordering the right stuff. You know,
Brady's not doing that with card Well, he's pretty much
it's it's almost like an nil deal, right, name, image
and likeness. He's kind of saying, you can use my name,
my likeness, and I'll be here maybe once a month
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or whatever they agreed upon.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Deal is.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
So I don't I don't think it's necessarily bad, but
maybe I think we should probably put more give more
credit to the former athletes who are, you know, in
the trench as you will getting it done, you know.
So a couple of comments here. I see Rex again.
He's a current duel store owner. He says, curious to
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see how these shops being opened near ballparks and stadiums
do so many people talk about converting sports fans and collectors,
But I think that potential might be overblown. It's a
great point.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I have a lot of sports buddies who don't collect
cards like I do. They may ask me some stuff
that they have.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Some a little bit of curiosity, but they don't they
don't really collect. How many opposites I got in the
cards as a young kid because I was a sports kid,
and then I found out about the cards and.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
I made that transition.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I don't know if that happens guys like sures for
some but maybe not at the same rate. So it's
a good point by Rex, right, just putting a card
store next to, you know, a major league ballpark or
football kind of stadium arena, does that automatically equal success?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Probably not a bad thing in that area too, right,
I guess, you know, I think for that, I think
it also depends.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
On how active that stadium is. You know, if you're
a stadium that's only playing twenty.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Five games or thirty five games a year, you know,
how much is that store going to be open?
Speaker 5 (48:30):
Now?
Speaker 3 (48:30):
If you're a stadium that's super active, there's a lot
of concerts, there's a lot of events going on. If
it's downtown, in a downtown area, you know, like in
Philadelphia where our stadiums are. It's not in downtown Philadelphia.
It's more in an area where it's surrounded by a community.
But it's not something like people will frequent every day
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unless there was like a major exporting going on. Now
they do have a casino down there, so that that's
more foot traffic. But you know, I think it all
depends on what's happening in the surround the area. And
where the stadium is located in proximity to like people,
where foot traffic, foot traffic is going to constantly come
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every day.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, that's a that's another great point, right, you got
sort of a captive audience when you're near. Now, that
don't mean your captive audience is going to spend money
in your store. But you know, maybe someone comes in
and they're not a collective, but their nephew is their
son is not there, or somebody.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
You know, you might get a sale like that. So
we got to keep that aspect in mind. A couple
of comments here, Uh, Tony says, uh, you know to
Stukes Scott with more athletes like daily owned stores, we're
starting to see a little bit more of that. Tony
got three models.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Letting fun be your profit if you don't, if you're
always worried about making money, I don't think it's that fun.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Me and doctor Jim have done shows me like what
do we do with the collection as we we get older?
Like what's the end?
Speaker 4 (50:03):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (50:03):
The end goal? I think Peppino Man's figured it out.
Doctor Jim.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
He says, I've never sold a card, but getting closer
to retirement when I plan to start setting up at
shows and selling off my collection as a means for
income while still enjoying the hobby anyway I can so.
Peppino Man says, hey, I'm not taking it with me.
I'm going to phase it out after retirement and use
that income for whatever he deems appropriate. So the point
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here I kind of agree with this from Tony says
Tom Brady is making the round their rounds only to
help the fanatics. I po which he's in old part
bought into that as well, so kind of the stock
if you will. Warren says, hey, I'm going to do
the same thing. Peppino Warren in Cleveland says, I'm going
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to sell. And that's something we've talked about, you know,
doctor Jim, Like, what's what happens to all this stuff
behind us here? And you know as we get older,
So you know, those two guys have us figured out.
Maybe maybe that's what I have to do. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Some stuff will obviously go to my son Jordan.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
I'll give it to my children.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
If they love it, they keep it, they want to
sell it.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
There you go, any on this topic, any any closing thoughts.
That's a Jim.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
Again, you were a store owner. Uh and and probably
manager too. And I was probably a co manager at
Best in the in the very early days. But rent
is a big portion of the expenses because the labor
if you're the manager, you know you're you're kind of
drawing from that. But your rent is a big expense,
(51:44):
and it's way more if you're in proximity to the
stadium or a lot of foot traffic. Said, I don't
think foot traffic. You want the right kind of foot traffic. Yeah,
they're sports.
Speaker 5 (51:54):
Fans, but.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
I think they're going to see that they need to
try hobby. But it's it's not a recipe for success
necessarily to jack up your rent. And then the other
thing I was gonna say, John, did you have any
silent partners when you were at your store where you
had to give them half your profits when you did
all the work.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
No, I'd be out it. I wouldn't last that said years.
Speaker 4 (52:19):
Yeah, So I'm just saying it's it's it's tricky, but
it's worth giving it a try, and I hope it works.
I hope it works.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yeah, all right, guys, that's what We'll close out on
a high note here for sure, Right with Samuel's at
the Santilly show. As as as we.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Know, I've never been there.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
It's a show that me and some of the guys
I set up with here in the show circuit in
Central New York have discussed maybe potentially someday setting up
there and making the trip.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
I don't even have a problem, like I wouldn't mind
even going, just as a as a consumer. I'll start
with doctor Jim hasn't been Have you ever attended? It's
the gym.
Speaker 4 (53:02):
Long long, long, long time ago when it was such
a showcase and marker roll and back forty years ago,
well airline, those are the main ones I did. I
did a lot of the Philly shows. Shan Philly was
very similar. Did that okay?
Speaker 5 (53:19):
I mean uh so?
Speaker 3 (53:21):
I first I first experienced Chantilly a year ago, and
when I walked in, I was just like, man, this
is a great show and it's definitely one of the shows.
It's definitely like one of my top five shows I've
been to. Like I'm not going to improve the National
on that list, because that's just a whole totally different experience.
Speaker 5 (53:41):
But talking about like smaller.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Regional shows like Real Football Heavy, they have their moments
where they bring in good basketball athletes and baseball athletes.
But the one thing that stood out to me was
like this a diverse crowd of people that I saw,
like walking up and you see people from all walks
of life dis experience in this show. And the vendors
(54:03):
are amazing, very welcoming.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
I walked past a couple of tables on Friday night
and there was a few people who remember me from
last year and we just started chatting like it was
just like yesterday. So it's an amazing show. There's a
lot of people here. They got a lot of great
athletes here, you got Lawrence telling here, you got the
list of who's food from Emmitt Smith, you know, so
(54:30):
Kyle Ripman is here as well, Kyle Richmond Junior. So
it's a great show. And I tell anybody if you
are like if you live in the DMV area, or
if you live in a Philly area and you're looking
for another regional show to go to out outside of
within the area, check check out the CSO show. And
I'm not just saying that because I'm going media for
(54:51):
for the I'm saying it because I come here as
a collector as well. And it's just a great experience
to to to see, feel and touch, you know.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
So Pryant, I'm gonna put you on the Hot Saints Sam.
And do you know how many tables are there? Approximately?
Rough estimates over over two hundred. I believe that it's
a good question.
Speaker 5 (55:15):
Oh on, I got to answer.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Okay, definitely more.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
Uh yeah, it says two hundred plus dealers in boots,
so it's gotta be more, gotta be more.
Speaker 5 (55:26):
There's a lot of table that's.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
Two hundred dealers, but yeah some table, some dealers have three,
four or five, even six tables, so yeah, you know,
it's it's definitely probably closer to one thousand then table.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
I don't I don't know the raw number, but I
can find out and I'll shoot you at text.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
All right.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
But there are a lot of a lot of dealers here.
A lot of the dealers here they do the National
A lot of dealers here do the Philly Show. So
it's like this, very like in stual community where everyone
comes together and you see a lot of them at
the same shows.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
It's I always say to hobbies a fraternity, right, just yes,
you know, another meeting to get together and you know,
I gotta get down there.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
It's something that's on on.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
The here today, all right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (56:19):
No, it's it's it's a good vibe. Like it's a
real good vibe.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
And you know, last year when I was here, I
got the opportunity to sit down with some of the
sandlocked guys and we just had like these organic conversations
back at the hotel behind the curtain and just like
hanging out. And a lot of athletes are super cool,
especially when you're back at the hotel and they're sitting
in a lobby area and they just strike up these conversations.
(56:44):
Like last night, we came back from eating dinner and
Emma Smith is just I mean, he's sitting down there
with his handler, but he's sitting around the table with
a bunch of regular people and they all playing cards
and just talking about sports, and he's sharing all his
stories from the past.
Speaker 5 (57:00):
So it's it's a it's a bid. It's a vibrant community.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (57:06):
And it's a it's a show that if you want
to get some good stories as well.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yeah, no doubt card show.
Speaker 4 (57:14):
Em Back in the day, Emitt had his own card
show with his family.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
So even even then, right, just kind of athletes in
the hobbies. Not necessarily new. I just think we're seeing
we're seeing more of it even nowadays. So well, Samuel, Uh,
you know, enjoyed the show. Don't work too hard, have
some make some fun in there, uh as well, and
uh glad to glad to share an hour with you,
(57:43):
a little over an hour with you this morning. And
doctor Jim. Always always a pleasure. I think it's been
well even since we've done it, so I know we've
done plenty of them. It's been a bit so uh,
thank you everyone in the chat room.
Speaker 3 (57:58):
Well, doctor Beckett, was a pleasure to meeting you virtually. John,
I know we always hang out. Yeah, it's definitely a
president pleasure of meeting you virtually doctor Beckett and hearing
your welcome knowledge. I'm an educator by day, so to
sit in this virtual space and just scare the depth
of knowledge to breadth of knowledge was amazing for me
(58:18):
and my girlfriends and collector and even a person. So
just wanted to give you your flowers and say I
appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
Well, look forward to seeing you at the National.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yes, thank you to everybody in chat room.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
Very active, very insightful and even if you're if you're
not in the chat room and you're listening to this
after the fact on a on a you know podcast download,
we appreciate you as well. You're giving your time to
us as well. So whatever the case may be, thanks
everybody out there as well. So we'll be back here
(58:50):
next week and we'll see you. We'll see you then.
Thanks guys, Every good weekend.
Speaker 4 (59:15):
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