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Speaker 1 (00:30):
I love the caffeine version of the opening. Dude, I
never get tired of it. Congratulations, that is still the
most energetic Saturday morning way to get started. John Lauren,
how are you guys doing episode three forty eight? Hobby?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
How let's going on morning? Uh? Yeah, you know that's
the football coaching me. I think that kind of went
with that sort of theme. So you know you want
to run through a wall. I can't run through any
more walls anymore because things right got me at my age.
But maybe the younger version of me might have.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
What's up in that city? Real quick? John, I know
you want to make an announcement, but I think this
is worthy of talking about. It is Larry Adobe Day.
If you are not familiar with Larry Adobe, please pause this,
stop and come back and watch later. It's okay. Our
feelings won't be hurt. Larry Adobe Day is the day
that Larry Adobe integrated the American It was just weeks
(01:28):
after Jackie Robinson. It's an incredible story and definitely something
that's worth recognizing, and today is the anniversary, so definitely
I want to throw that out there. What's up?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
He doesn't get enough credit, you know, obviously everyone knows
I'm a Jackie guy, but like you said, it was
only a mirror couple of weeks after Jackie's debut. So
I've heard him called the American League Jackie Robinson. He's
Larry Adobe and he's right there with Jackie Robbinson.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I'm sorry. I don't want to cut you off, but
I am.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
He was an all star.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
He was a great player on his own right.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
If you're not sorry, Jackie was probably a little more
vocal with with social issues. That doesn't mean Larry Dobe
didn't care. Obviously, Jackie sort of became the the centerpiece
or the mouthpiece for UH society and rights and for
African Americans and that sort where Larry I mean, you
(02:27):
could argue Larry Dobe was a better player in terms
of with with his career numbers. Obviously, Jackie only played
nine years in total due to some injury UH and illnesses. So,
but both obviously very important to the game of baseball
and both need to be celebrated.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Similarly, aren't I the most fun person to be on Lauren?
We go over the whole show, and my first topic
is off schedule.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
No, it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I know.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You were like Paul's come back. I was, well, I
can't do that. I gotta just nod in my head
and go along with it. Read it later because I
don't know much about him, so I enjoy her. You
guys talk about him.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, absolutely, fantastic student's Trackie had of here in the minors.
You use the MLB Derby came right from the newgir Leaks.
That's an excellent point. Stukes love the comments. Don't stop on,
Larry John. I want to get to you. A lot
of people that watch this are fans of hobby Palooza,
and you have some information on this year.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah. First off, I know I've said this when I've
been on. Just with the summer and getting ready for
a national, we're on normally the first and third Saturday.
I'm not supposed to be here today, but I'm jumping
in for Samuel, so I'm pinch hitting. I'm the Manny
Mota apparently of the show. If you're from Baltimore, there
(03:48):
you go. But so we're on the first and third
Saturday of every month. One programming note August because of
the national, will be the second and fourth. We'll still
the same spacing, but instead of first and third, second,
or fourth. But the next iteration of the show after
today's show will be the third Saturday, and we'll be
(04:10):
on Hobby Palooza, which is on the four Collectors Network.
We'll be in our normal time slot though, so eleven
am Eastern eighth Pacific. Well, just so everyone knows, we
won't be that day only we won't be on Bench
Clear or Hobby Hotline. You don't have to do the
four Collectors Network as part of their hobby Who's three
(04:33):
days of streaming hobby content be overload, but some great
people on and for that show. For how like there's
three of us here, for that show, you'll see more
than three of us. That's kind of an all hands
on deck type of show. And for probably heavy heavy
national talk, as we would be like a week away
(04:56):
from the national.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I am out of town missing. If so don't don't
include me.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I'll talk.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I'll talk. It'll be like five am in Alaska, so
I'll get up and watch. I'm not leaving my room.
I'm gonna be on the internet the whole time. I
have ice cubs. I don't need to see a glacier. Okay,
big big conversation this week is the w NBA Rookie
(05:23):
Royalty product. There is so much to talk about with this.
I'm gonna start with the Dutch auction. A lot of
people may be familiar that a lot of products now
come out via Dutch auction, a Dutch SHOs, A Dutch
auction starts at a higher price and it drops. Consider
what drops slowly until people buy the product or somebody
(05:45):
buys the product. Now, if it continues to drop, you
ultimately do get it at the lowest price. So if
you bid at a higher price, you do get it
at the lowest price. The Rookie Royalty product started at
thirty thousand. It finished at three thousand and so all
everybody who got in got into three thousand and then
from what I saw, the secondary market was just about
(06:07):
eight thousand pretty quickly. I don't know if you guys
saw the same thing, U Mookie. I absolutely made the
same joke before the show. So I'm not going to attend. Yes,
three days of Screaming is Honikah Light eight Crazy Nights.
See if they've changed a name to that probably trust me.
(06:31):
So MSRP has gone because of breakers. It's a sad world. No,
this is how the companies are trying to do it.
So I wouldn't blame just the breakers. This is also
the distributors. This is the big retail shops and you
know phil Breakers are a part of the distribution network.
This is for all districts. So when you started thirty
(06:53):
thousand a box, I don't know how you can do
that with a straight thing. Lauren, welcome, How are you.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Happy to happy to jump in on this topic. It's uh,
it's a yeah. So I mean, like Danny said, uh,
started at thirty thousand, dropped down to it was three thousand.
I thought it was between four and three, so I
wasn't sure. So three thousand, that's crazy. It's I believe,
two cards per box, and it's a big gamble. And
(07:23):
I think the I think the only autos are Angel
Reese and Caitlin Clark, right, so like the only way
to really kind of win your money back and your
money back is to hit Clark. So I I don't
love that they can kind of set that up for
Angel Reese to fail because her cards sell for secure. Yeah,
(07:46):
I was a little I was a little disappointed with that.
I think that that was a little irresponsible of Panini,
But you know, I know it's this business, so that
that was a little frustrating for me. And then we
checked last night. Brian and I checked night on eBay
to see because some of the cards that were coming
out were not player event, you know, game whatever related,
(08:09):
and but flawless historically is. So we were like, okay,
well maybe flawless will you know, be the one that'll
be like, you know, top tier. That's what everybody's kind
of been asking about for a while. You know, everybody
who wants in the lead. Kaitlin Clark probably wants a
flawless And we checked last night, and I think the
one that we did find it's not affiliated with anything
(08:32):
like it's straight out of the you know, Dick Sporting
goods section. So that's also a little disappointing.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You know, I say, that's more than a little disappointing. Yeah,
that just sucks. I mean somebody had to make that decision,
and you made the wrong desion.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, for it's it's
obviously you know, I think that with this, especially starting
with the Dutch auction at like thirty grand, I think
that you know, it's safe to say Nini said, let's
cash in because it's it's a mish mosh. You know,
it's kind of like a like an expensive, expensive version
of like you know, like Hoops or Contenders, not hoops,
(09:11):
but more so you know, like you know, like where
you just kind of get like a little of this,
a little of that, you know, but it's the big
thing which I let off with. And you know, of
course I'll let you guys talk about to because someone know,
what you think was just kind of setting up the
rest of the league, but especially Angel rees to be
dogged on because you know breakers are gonna be opening
(09:33):
and everybody in the comments if you pull an Angel
Resotto instead of Caitlin Clark, you just know it's gonna
be brutal. And like, you know, does that impact her
directly in that moment. No, But we've seen the narrative
and we've seen the greater experience of you know, WNBA
games right now, and and also the players just out
in the wild living their life. And uh yeah, I
(09:56):
don't want to be a hater, but I'm overall kind
of disappointed with the product. But I'd love to hear
what you guys think.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, I just want to read this comment because I
think this is part of the problem for all the
people that are wondering about Pagebeckers twenty twenty four products.
In July twenty twenty five by accoulend I think that's
a terrific point, because really, when you talk about the
players they could have put in, the two most well
known are recent Clark, but John, you know this well
(10:25):
known at Bobby Value. Are two totally different.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Oh yeah, no doubt. It's a great point that Lauren
just made. I was rich and I've thought about I've
got a lot of thoughts on this product, but I
didn't even think of that angle. Here you got Angel
Reese and Caitlin Clark, who listen, there's no love loss
between these two athletes, whether it's the war of words
or stuff that happens on the court. I don't think
(10:49):
they're you know, and they might respect each other as competitors,
I don't think they're big fans of each other overall.
And then, like Laura and said, Benini kind of pairs
them off in this product, we're either gonna get one
or the other. Obviously, if you pull a Caitlin Clark autoh,
you have a better chance at recouping the money you
(11:12):
have into the break or the box. If you bought
the box out right, the rees auto less of a
chance of that. So you're ready diminishing. You know, regardless
of what you think of Angel Reese as a player,
you're ready putting her behind eight ball in this product
as well. Not that she might not care, but you
know what stuff they hear about this stuff too, and
(11:35):
so I'd be curious if this does get its way
back to Angel Reese. You know, she even weighs in
on it or says something about it. I don't expect them.
One of the problems I have is, you know, you
can start a Dutch auction at whatever price you want,
but thirty k is pretentious and we don't even know
(11:57):
print runs. Like how many boxes did that? They did
they make? They won't tell you. I think that number
is high because you, like Laurence said, you got a
mac lit National Treasures flawless. I think nor Uh is
in this. They're not making those of standalone products, so
they're just doing this. So think about the money they
(12:20):
would have wanted to make from those products on their own,
and now doing it this way like a Chronicles release. Yeah,
to me, this screams of there's a lot more of
this than than we think, uh, you know whatever whatever
that number is. And three T you know, yeah, can
(12:40):
you hit a Caitlin Clark Auto. I'm sure there's a
one on one. I'm sure there's a Chase card that
would obviously you'd win there, But like like Lauren said,
you have to hit a Caitlin Clark Auto most likely,
or a Downtown or Kaboom, which is the second card.
And with the Downtown and Kabooms, it's not just Reese
(13:01):
or Clark, it could be any of the other at
WNBA players. So theano is what's going to drive the product,
and if you get one over the other, you're gonna
be in better shape most likely, unless you're saved by
the Koom or the Downtown.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I would say one of the great plays. If you
want to go after this product and you're looking to
make some money on it, stay away from Kaitlyn and Andrew.
I love this comment. There are a lot of players
that are not Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reeves. And if
call of your wins MVP, you know how cheap can
(13:38):
you buy the card for? Now, let's just say it
will be more. It doesn't matter what the numbers are
it will be lower and then it will be higher.
I mean that that's that's just the way you could
go love Kaitlyn Clark Angel Reese is from Baltimore. Her
brother played for the Terps. I have total respect for
(13:59):
both of them, but they're from players, and I wish,
you know, I saw the Magic Bird type, you know, comparisons.
I get where that's where that's I don't want to
say low hanging fruit, but I get where people go
to that.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, it's an easy correlation to see.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if that's what it is.
I you know, I don't know that there are styles
of player or anything alike where Magic and Bird had
so many similar skills and whatever. But that being said,
this product could have really jumped started. I think Panini
opening up a whole line for this year. And one
(14:36):
of the questions that I thought was fantastic and I
hadn't even thought of. And if you guys know the answer,
is there a dual auto with both of them.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I'm not sure I saw that comment, and I'm not
sure that's a really good question. I don't think so,
but I don't know for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
John, would that be the coolest card of easily.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Here's what I'll say, Like Lauren, I don't know to say, yeah,
there is one, I know about it. Here's what But
if you if you, if you're Panini and you're releasing
this product and you have Angel Reese autos and Caitlin
Clark autos, but you don't have a dual auto, someone
needs to be fired. I'm not a guy that likes
to necessarily fire people. But you have a product which
(15:17):
has both of these athletes autos in it, and you
don't make a due auto like who dropped the ball there?
Like that's that's so easy to to when you already
have those two athletes signing anyway, just put them on
the same car. I don't even I don't know. I
don't you know. Obviously I like it on card auto
better than a sticker audo. But sticker autos don't bother
(15:39):
me as much as they probably bother others. Even if
that was a sticker auto dual auto card, it's still
a due auto. It's still a due Like if that's
the only way you could get it done, you know,
maybe there is one. And Angel Reese wrote something on
there like.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
That, like I mean, I have the you know, Bowman
College one, which I'm very like, you know, proud of,
but to see them, you know, as professionals on a duel, Yeah,
and I agree with John, like I'm okay, Like those
are sticker attos. I'm okay with sticker autos. But in
this product that's supposed to be you're gonna start it
(16:16):
at thirty thousand dollars. They're not player affiliated patches, player
game whatever affiliated patches. You know, the the chances are
like not there, Like the value is not much because
Caitlin Cark's way up here and everybody else is like
simmering down here, which I do agree. If you are
an Fista Collier fan or Brienna Stewart or you know,
(16:39):
anybody else, anybody else on any other team, then you
know it's people who don't really value those cards, so
you just want to get rid of them and like,
you know, make it a wash of whatever they lost.
So for people who are fans of other players picking
them up on eBay, that's good. It's not I don't
think great for the overall ecosystem w NBA cards, but
(17:02):
that seems to be one of the few pros is
that if you are not an avid Caitlin Clark collector
or investor or whatever. Then you know you can kind
of pick up the leftovers at hopefully a decent price.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
How crazy is this? It's you know, it's it's being
presented as such a premium, high end product. And and
like we've talked about, you've got you got jersey swatches
that are not tied to being game use, like like
that's great. I almost think they shouldn't have put the
game use like, don't even make game us, don't make
like just no, no non game use cards, don't even
(17:45):
I think it's more insult to like put those cards
in here than if they didn't and say, hey, we
just didn't have access to game use jerseys of some
of these players, enough of them, so you get what
you get. But by putting in like like Laurence says,
the stuff, you can go to Dick's Sporting Gods and
pull it off the rack and cut it off. Like
(18:06):
to me, that's more inside. I don't want that card.
Most people don't want that card. And I think the
tide has as has turned. I won't even say turned,
but I think a lot of people who even it
didn't bother early on are like, no, I don't need.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That, and I don't think people were aware good for
a long time. I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And I think it's it's like a buzz, you know,
it's like it starts becoming a hot topic. People have
to sort of fall on one side or the other.
I think everyone started to fall on like either make
a game used jersey card or don't but don't do
don't do the Hey, we just got this, you know,
off the rack, and you know it is a jersey
(18:44):
that would have their you know that player's name on
the back, but they never wore you know what I mean.
That's I just I don't see the especially in a
product like this. If you want to put it in
a lower level product, then it is what it is.
And someone pulls that and they don't like it to
sell it or give it to somebody, but you know
you're paying at minimum a three K for a box.
(19:06):
I don't want like a shelf worn jersey card off
off the rack if you will.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And that was the question that Phil had, how do
you feel about player warn but not game year.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I will say this, I like that better than the alternative,
right they did just a player that pull off.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Like that illusion of like, uh, you know, of spectfulness.
I like that, you know, like the pictures where they
like can't put their arms down because they just have
like thirty jerseys on. I know it's ridiculous, but you know,
if you say player warning and that's all it is,
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But if it's not a better I will say that
it's better. Then it's better than not player. How much better.
We could do a whole show probably exactly on that alone.
But yeah, it's it's, it's it's And Lauren made another
great point with this is going if you're a w
NBA collector, if you are a specific player collector of
(20:11):
of w NBA player, this is gonna be great on
the secondary market because you're gonna see a lot of
these singles on whatever, eBay, Sports, lots other selling platforms,
and and I think you're gonna be able to pick
up some nice deals you collect those other players. You know,
let's be real, Caitlin Clark's stuff that you're not gonna
pick that up cheap. That is what it is. Uh,
(20:33):
And you already know that if you collect Caitlin Clarks,
that's not breaking but if you collect some of these
other players, I think you're gonna you're gonna like this product,
not if you're buying it at three K, but you're
gonna like this product if you're going uh after it's
open and buying those those cards that make their way
onto secondary market platform, because I think you're gonna get
(20:55):
some some deals there.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
To me, this is the ultimate buy the card, not
the box. Yep, yep, you know some products are just
like that Bowman first, to me is one as much
as I'd like to take a chance on any prospect
I get, I'd rather go by the prospect I won.
And to me, this is a similar situation. Any funnel
words before we move on from Rookie romative, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, I mean it's gonna be Listen, it's gonna be
interesting to see how this all plays out once it
gets into the breaking outfits. You know, like if you
hear a breaker the front man say, hey, we got
you know, eighty boxes of this, we're gonna be breaking tonight.
Buy in. You know that that's gonna tell you a lot.
Because the limit on Panini's site was ten boxes. Now
(21:44):
you know a lot of these breaking outfits have obviously
multiple counts multiple If you start hearing a lot of
like we got eighty boxes to break, you you know
that there's a lot of this product where I believe
there's a lot more. That's why they're not announcing if
it was limited. They say, hey, we only made two
thousand boxes. We only made ten thousand boxes. They're not
(22:06):
giving you any numbers, which tells uh that numberly high
where they're still printing that too. Well, there's a rumor
to Danny real quick just finished with this. There's even
a low of three, the bottom of three. There's a
rumored that Panini pulled pulled some back and even sell
(22:26):
them at that price too.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
So I know somebody that had allegedly I know somebody
that had it in their shopping cart and then had
it pulled out in the middle of the transaction.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yes, maybe it's true that that's what.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, Links have a great following new ownership with a
Rod you know what, I am so for a new ownership.
I so can't like it is either. Yeah, you know
it's it's like I'm happy for them, but it's a Rod. Okay,
card shows I'm gonna forget and gout. Please add onto
(23:00):
the list because we're in all different parts of the
country and uh, this is a thorough list. But just
in the last month or two, Fanatics Fest National coming
up Shantilly. Uh, East Coast National, Right, John.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, you got burd Bank Show, you got the Dallas.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Card Show, Comic Con, Dallas Card Show.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You got a bunch of Midwest big shows like really
uh forming and taking holds. So really, very few parts
of the country you don't have a big type show
anymore or have acts. A new shows pop up. Uh,
we're seeing old shows increase their the amount of dealer cables,
(23:41):
they're they're finding new venues, bigger venues including arenas uh
to hold the show and where maybe before it was
at a VFW and now it's at UH an arena
where sports team plays and so uh, you know it's good.
That's a double edged sword, right. It means a hobby
UH is getting larger or at least you know, the activity.
(24:04):
There's more transactions and more activities. But there's the point
of the question I think Danny for you came up
with this is there is a tipping point. Right, It's
like scales, like how many can we get to? Too
many shows? And that's really the question, right. And you know,
I've had people on sports cardination where I've asked them
(24:25):
their opinion that right, and the general answer is like,
the hobbyists will determine that right by attending. If attendance
starts going down, and promoters are like, man, I didn't
have enough people pay admission and walk through the door today,
and dealers are complaining that, hey, I didn't have a
good show. You know, there was half the people here
(24:47):
that was the last time I was here, and those
half of the attendants they weren't really spending like typically
I see. I think that's the dealers and the attendees
are going to determine that. And you know when a
dealer stops, when a promoter says to the dealer, are
you're going to be here next month? Are you good?
And they say, I don't know, I didn't have a
(25:08):
great show. I'm and I have to let you know
when that stuff starts happening that that will dictate it
more than.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I will say. The show I was out last weekend
had more dealers than the previous one. They are growing
and it's already a huge show. And Chentily so for
whatever that's worth. They've got some new management, some you know,
fresh people keeping an eye on it over there as
part of the merger of some different companies. It was interesting.
(25:38):
They are definitely squeezing more tables into the same space.
So for whatever that's worth. What's going on Rocks Sports
Card Shop, both locations. We appreciate that as always Rocks
as a friend of the show. This is part of
the issue, Lauren. There's only so much inventory people can have.
So whether you're a local card shop, if somebody like
(26:00):
John where he's got his own collection, but it's not
you know, it's not bottomless, and you know, you have
to refresh every so often. Do all these shows just
make you know, our dealers just like buying from each
other to keep it up. I mean, are you seeing
the same dealers the same shows over and over with
the same stuff. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah? I mean we you know, because we we set
up at a lot of these shows. We're skipping Dallas
this weekend, which we usually do skip the July fourth
because of how many shows there are in the summer.
And you know, and it's not that's not a derogatory thing.
That's just for us. We have to set a personal
limit because we get worn down and and yeah, and
(26:42):
you have to it's not just showing up. You have
to have an inventory, you have to you know, price it.
You have to engage with people. And I'm not saying
that as a negative thing. I'm just saying that, like
when you set up as a vendor, it's work and
you kind of forget that. Like fanatics Best. We're very
excited for fanatics Fest and we went and it was awesome,
(27:02):
but we were exhausted after. And it's because you know,
we were on our feet, we were talking to people,
we were running around. We you know, we had to
lug our stuff in and out with you know, it's
it's a lot. And in the New York He's.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Like, it's I'm laughing at that cabin. I'm not laughing
at you.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
They usually have a breaker logo on their shirts and
that's how you identify. But yeah, it's you know, it's
I I'm never wanted to be like, oh, there's too
many shows. I think you just have to set your
personal limit. Like we were set up with some guys
and they live in New York and they were at
fanatics Fest and they were like Okay, we're like we're
(27:44):
not even done a finags Fest and they're gearing up
for Chantilly and you know, and then you know, like
there it's just kind of a domino effect after that,
and everybody does still have to consider the National that
the National is a big indicator of like how the
month prior is going to go, because sometimes people, you know,
they they want to wait, they want to wait until
after the Natchal or you know, until after all these
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shows before going to National, before doing something because they
want to see, well, I might find something else there
at a better price or whatever. So it's kind of
hard to decide as a from the vendor side of
things like where to go. I think as a as
a collector, it's you know, it's probably hard to zip around,
you know, the country to all these shows. But if
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you can and you want to and it makes your
collection better, uh, I think it's probably a good thing
that you have so many options, because we also can't
vendors can't go to every show, you know. That's the thing.
If there's two on one weekend who.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Says, well, can't go to, only show they can't go
to is one that's on the same day. Of a
show they're at, and even then, if they had the inventory,
they could have employ Yeah, that's what I see, Danny,
is when you see these people do content where their
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deals at. They're at like every show, at a different
show every weekend. I'm married, I have a kid, but
he's an adult now. But some of these guys, I
don't know their family situation. I wouldn't be able to
do that if I wanted to. Now I don't want
to as a dealer, But even if I did, I
don't even think. I mean just the grind. Like Lauren
(29:26):
point out, all the stuff you have to do. You know,
it's not like you just show up at the show
for two days and collect money and go home and
then do it next weekend. There's stuff that if your
dealers know this, there's stuff you're doing all through the
week to get ready for that weekend show, whether that's
buying a collection, repricing stuff, selling stuff. You know, you're
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most likely if you're a dealer at a weekend show,
you're selling stuff during the week another platform, so you're shipping.
So you know, I couldn't do a show. I do
about eighteen to twenty shows a year, maybe even a
little less, maybe more around the fourteen to sixteen because I.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Know you can you talk about the different size shows
you do.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, I mean here in Syracuse, I do what's called
the Fairground Show Collectors Fast is actually what it's called.
And these are generally there's two versions of it. There's
the fair grounds itself. There's gonna be one hundred and
ten tables there, and then there's the hotel version of that,
and there's gonna be fifty the sixty table, so about
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half the size. And then I do a monthly show
in Watertown, New York, which is about an hour north
of Syracuse. It's a Fort Drum is a military base,
it's a military town, and that's a smaller show, forty
to fifty table, and you know, we'll occasionally I'll do
a one off show somewhere. I did Springfield, Massachusetts last year,
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but generally Watertown in Syracuse is where I stay.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Now.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
When I was a younger dealer, I go to Ohio, Pennsylvania.
I do a little more traveling, but I don't know
traveling like as much as I like to travel, I
don't like I like having weekends where I don't have
anything necessarily to do. I can go on my deck
with a beverage and a cigar and you know, or
(31:18):
sit in my hot tub and just have nothing, just
to clear itinerary. I don't want to be like your
weekends are always accounted for. When you're doing all these shows,
you have no week You're in a building all day.
I want to be outside. And I'm only speaking for me,
maybe certain other people, but like and I love a show.
I'm not for merchant shows for shows stink. But there's
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a limit to how many how often I want to
be in the building everywhere. For me, I like to
you know, the older you get, the less time you
have left in that out in that hour lesson. I
just don't want to be in a building every weekend.
I really don't. You know, money aside, and you know,
I like, I like making money as a dealer at shows.
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I'm not going to apologize that, but I just don't
want to be in a building Friday, Saturday, Sunday, every
It's just that's a great And then I think if
I did that Lauren and Danny, I would I would definitely.
I don't want to say dislike the hobby, but my
enjoyment and passion for the hobby would wane to where
it is the way I do now.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Well, and you guys are up north too, so like
you know, for a good portion of the year you
can't go outside.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
That's right, So we get I understand, you know, taking
in while you can, and this is the best time
to do that.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
So you have to find that balance.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, we got a transition away from John in the
hotub to John inside her that's definitely well.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Well, Phil, Phil follows me on Facebook, so he knows.
I've been been like a Blackstone master since I got it.
A couple of you know, itchy baying at home.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I have a question for both of you, since you
both set up what day do you set up the
first one? A big? Do you need to come in
the day before? Can you set up the morning of?
How does your process? How well organized? And you know
the tricks of the trade that you learn over time,
you know, how how quickly can you pack up an
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unpacked waren Well.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
We you know it hates to like make this along
with an answer because it shouldn't be complicated. But you know,
we have a camper, so sometimes we drive a lot
of times for Dallas, we drive and we've learned that
getting there on Wednesday when nothing is happening yet and
just getting in the hotel, getting settled, you know, doing
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some fat like last minute prep stuff that helps a lot.
And also if there's you know, inclement weather or whatever,
then you know, we can account for that. We have
a buffer because there have also been times where if
we flew to a show, you know, then we are
you know, either leaving straight from or going straight to
the show, and then you're kind of discombobulated. And Brian's
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not a great flyer, so like thet of that and
then like being laid and all that stuff that accumulates.
So yeah, we we like to you know, take that
extra but again that's another day that we're not at
home or you know that we're traveling or whatever, so
we kind of have to account for that. And yeah,
because we have done where we like step off the
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airplane plane, go straight to the show and set up
and like we can do it. It's possible, but it's
not always the best. You know, we aren't always our best,
you know when we're interacting with people. If that's the case,
because our minds are like you know, all over the place,
so you know, you just kind of find different ways
to get into it. You know, it's also not to
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be paid too far. But when we do like it,
you know, like John said, you know, we we do
make money off of it, and that is also you know,
a perk, but we enjoy it, you know, we like
doing like it's it's work that we like doing that
we feel good about. And it can be overwhelming sometimes
and you know, there's a lot of information constantly coming out,
and you know, so like I'm not trying to be
(35:03):
like WHOA is me? But you have to remember that
just because you love it doesn't mean you're not putting
effort into it, and that it can take a lot
out of you.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
So yeah, and John, I know you because you're very
type Addie.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Well look for me. I do a lot less traveling
than Lauren and Brian, so I have it a little
bit easier. Like the Syracuse the Fairground show. It's literally
four point five miles from my house. I have one
time the shows. So I want to hear crazy. I'll
make this quick crazy story. I go to say it's
(35:37):
on Sunday. There is pre set up on Saturday, which
I take advantage. So I'll go Saturday and kind of
put all my showcases out, my stand up cases, no cards.
I don't leave them there overnight, even though the building
gets locked up and I gonna leave that to chance,
but I call it the bones of my setup. I'll
set that up on Saturday, and then I'll come Sunday
(35:59):
morning and put all the cards and that sort of thing. Well,
one Sunday and I still get there early. I like
to get there early so I don't feel like, man,
they're about to open the doors and I'm still putting
cards out. I don't like that sort of pressure. So
I'll get there early so I could be done. Well,
that's a good thing in this case, because one day
I have one box that houses most of my graded
(36:22):
card and when I got there, you know, you know
that feeling like, man, I'm missing something, something's not right. Well,
I had left that box on my kitchen table, and
I'm like debating, do I go home and get it
or try to do the show without that. Well, that's
a heavy part of my inventory, so I'm like, I'm
running home twenty minutes. I even told my dealer, who
(36:44):
a friend that I set up with, Hey, watch my stuff.
I can forget a box, I can get it. The
show wasn't open yet, but just you know, dealers are
walking around. Just keep an eye on what is here.
And I said time me and from when I left
till the one I got back minutes which is probably
a new record. I won't be able to preak, so
(37:05):
I you know, Watertown's an hour, there's no pre setup.
I go on. That's a Saturday show, the water So
I like a Saturday show more than a Sunday show.
I think Saturday shows are better attended. Sunday people are
getting ready to go back to work, sort of a
de facto family day for a lot of folks. When
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I do a Saturday show, if everything is the same
and there's been a couple of fairground show that he
had to schedule on a Saturday for whatever reason, Saturday
shows generally to me, or with all things being equal,
we'll have more attendance over a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Rookie says John's land speed record is impressive.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I was running.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I was listening with the dunkin run.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I had already got Duncan, so I already had the coffee.
I just didn't have the grated card box. I can
move for a big guy who's not in the greatest
shape in the world. Listen, I still play softball. I'm
not saying. I'm not saying I like to run. I'm
not claiming You're not gonna see me enter any half
marathons or even a five K. But I can run
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like if need be, and I have no choice, I
can do it.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
If the zombies are coming is gone.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, I'm good for ten I'm good for ten minutes,
and then I'm gonna have to stop and try to
fight him off for Getdy, most likely Getdy.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah. By the way, if anybody ever sees me running,
come help. It's not voluntary, all right, we camp time
is flying today, mlb A games coming up Baseball. For
whatever reason, baseball is not the number one sport in
the country, but it is the number one sport in
the hobby. All star uh, first time players, a veteran
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all over the place, guys like Hafi Bayaz and Labor
Torres coming back to life out of nowhere. Anything to
catch your attention, guys you know, and any players that
you were glad to see you're disappointed card wise otherwise
I'm leave to John.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Well, you got Listen, you got the Athletics. I guess
they're a Sacramento Athletics or just the athletics. Jacob. Yeah,
Jacob Wilson's having a great year, probably not getting a
lot of attention because of the team he plays on.
So I look at a guy like that. Now, I'm
not saying he's gonna be a perennial ten time All Star,
(39:34):
but he's having an All Star year and is deservingly
getting Uh you know, is just do it with an
All Star appears. I like to see that you might
not see. I don't know how many times you'll see
it again. Hobby Bay is that guy was left for
dead and and deservingly so when you look at his numbers,
he was under the Mendoza line. Like, I don't know
(39:56):
what happened this year. You know, when we look at Hobby,
I'm not going out and scarfing up a bunch of
Hovey bias card. I don't believe he's like back, but
you know, he's having a good year and he's being
rewarded with an All Star pier. That's what the All
Star game for many years, and I get it. For
many years, it became sort of a popularity contest, right,
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but they would put guy, hey there were this is
his last year, he don't have it, he's not having
an All Star year, but he's announced like this is
his last year, he's retiring. He's in the All Star Game.
And I get that. I'm not. Yeah, like I don't
hate that, but you know, to me, like as a
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kid that played baseball all growing up through high school
playing softball still, you know, Little League, we had an
All Star game, right and the best kids from each
team select. I want to see, you know, production rewarded
rather than career, you know, or so when you see
a Jacob Wilson or listen, even how a Bias who
(41:01):
I think you know is just catching lightning in the
battle this year, but he deserves an appearance. You know,
if you look at his last five years, you'd say,
what the heck happened? Why is he there? This? Because
he earned it this year, not the previous five. So
I like those stories. And then you've got your your
obvious guys that are going to be All Stars every
(41:22):
year barn in to show hey, uh and that's so.
And then people want to see those though those are
people who pay money to see those type of guys.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Uh play that Aaron Judge guy in New York, I
hear is pretty good. Laurten does an All Star game,
a championship, anything like that in any sport effect for you,
prices or values of car.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, I mean I think so I am notoriously not
good at baseball, no matter how like I just I
can't get into it. I hate admitting that, especially to
baseball guys, because I hurt me and I want to
be converted. But I'm just like not there. You know,
I like show last year that.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I took you out for a second just just for
saying that.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Well, that's you know, that's honestly should I wigh it.
Nobody wants to hear from me on this, But but
I you know, like last year, you know, the World Series, Uh,
I thought, you know, which my limited knowledge, all of
the all of the Los Angeles Dodgers players, you know,
like level like show Hay, you know, like all the
(42:33):
boats rose together and you know, as like a family
bloodline Yankees fan, they whooped him and it was embarrassing
for the Yankees. So you know, I, as as an
outsider of baseball, in my head, it makes sense that
like these things you know that will draw your attention.
(42:54):
You know, I'm not watching regular season games. I'm just not.
I don't have a team, and it doesn't like totally
interest me. But will I watch the World Series?
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Will I maybe tune into you know, the special events
of the All Star Game? Yeah, I might. It's like
the stars are there and you know that, like, you know,
it's a big deal. That's how it is for every sport,
and so yeah, like to me, I think if it
also with cards, if they you know, newer cards, if
they play it right, you know, I know tops now
cards are kind of like math. You know, sometimes they're
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a little bit of a cheap, you know, gimmick thing,
but sometimes they like highlight a really cool moment. And
like if there's a really cool moment at the All
Star Game, and I know somebody said the comments like
the the home run derby jerseys are cool, Like you know,
if there's a really cool moment and they're in these
uniforms that are like unique, then I think that's cool.
(43:45):
But I'm not you know, I'm an outsider looking in,
so I would be the chump who would be like, yeah,
I think that's totally like, you know, worth whatever.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
But I do I do think that there's troops of that, John.
I mean, we talk about this, whether it's quarterbacks in
football the need a Super Bowl, you know, to kind
of cop off their value, or an NBA player who
needs to make an All NBA team at some point
just to kind of justify that. I mean, for you,
when you look at a player's resume, how much is
just the pure stats and how much the awards.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Go to Cooperstown and read read the plaques on the wall. Right,
what's it say on that? Right? You know so and
so had nine nine All Star appearance. You know, it's
third all time in RBIs or whatever the stats are,
they're important enough to put on a Cooperstown plaque. That's
why I don't want to see just people kind of
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like given one because it's their last year, like Jeter Ripkin.
Sorry D. But they're not the only two. Maybe they're
two bigger names that are easy to remember off the
top of your head. You know, I'm glad Jacob Wilson
got in. He's having an incredible year. Col Riley, you know,
(44:55):
Rally is tearing the cover off the ball in Seattle.
He's someone mentioned in the comments, right, there's a lot
of young players on the come up in baseball, Bobby
Wit Junior and the like. Right, this is baseball chance
on national primetime TV to say, hey, we got some superstars,
you know, young ones, like this league's gonna be in
(45:18):
good shape for the long haul. It's not just veterans.
We got some young guys, young guns coming up through
the ranks as well. And like Lord pointed out, the
events surrounding the game itself, right, very few people don't
watch the home run Derby, and they've changed some of
the rules to maybe make a little bit shorter. So
you know, people's attention spans are only good for so long,
(45:42):
so they've tried to make it. Plus, these guys are
getting tired out taking fifty swings in one session, so
against the clock, no less so, but the home run
derby's fun to watch. Right. We watched just you know,
in its heyday, we watched the slam Dunk competition during
(46:03):
the NBA All Star weekend. Uh, no one ever watched
a football Pro Bowl that was that was inflated numbers.
So but even they've come up with like now a
flag game, and now they're doing like events and the.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
NFL Pro Bowl is not anything like making an NBA
All Star team or an MLB All Star team. I mean,
it's just everybody makes the NFL Pro Bowl. I mean, John,
you finished second.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
You know I almost went I almost went right.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Let me ask you guys a question. And I'm a
suffering Washington Wizards fan two years away, two years away,
and for me, I look at the off season and
there's not much for my team. I look at all
the other rumors, all the other moves, the draft, and
then I look at card prices and what could happen.
There's not a lot of players, Like I'm not sure
Lebron's adding a lot of value if he moved out
(46:53):
of la not that he will, and I'm not sure
if he wins another title, if there's a lot of
added value more than maybe a But are there guys
out there in the NBA that can still like stars,
that could still see a big impact on their value.
And the one that jumped to mind to me is Gianness.
I think Giannis could go to almost any other team.
It would be a contender, obviously, and I think his
(47:16):
value goes up. Lauren, I mean, you know your thoughts,
Anthony H I know there was a trade pull Anthony.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
I'm still I'm still emotionally unwell from that. But yeah, honestly, uh,
you know, when we were kind of like, you know,
warming up on the topics and you mentioned Giannis, I
think that is the best example of a player that
really could go anywhere. And unfortunately the first thing I
did want Washington because they are just notoriously and I
(47:49):
think even there, I think because of you know who
he is, and and honestly, I'm not like a I'm
not like a basketball purist. I kind of am like,
you know what anybody's got at any time, and I
want to see Washington do well, like luckily their w
NBA team is doing well right now. But yeah, I
think with jannest I think that's a great example of like,
(48:11):
I mean, where couldn't he go that you know, he
wouldn't raise his value and the stock of you know,
the team and everyone around him. So I don't know,
it's it's interesting. There's been a lot of interesting moves.
I was very surprised about Miles Turner leaving the Pacers.
I thought that was crazy after they just had a
finals run and he's been there for so long and
there have been so many rumors about him leaving and
(48:34):
and and I don't that that's gonna be curious. I mean,
Miles Turner isn't, like, you know, a big hobby guy.
But I will be interested to see how that plays out,
you know, now that he's had a Finals run, but
now he's switching to another team. And the Bucks are
kind of a weird organization. They make a lot of
weird moves and I don't fully understand them sometimes. So yeah,
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I mean, and if Joanna stays, I don't I don't
think anything will really happen. I think he, you know,
will probably just flatline. But if he did go somewhere,
especially obviously l A, you know, l A, even the Clippers,
maybe that might boo.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
I don't know, but as a as a you know what,
franchise forever. I want to read a couple of comments
here real quick. The NBA hates the fact that Milwaukee
built a new stadium, did not move to another state,
have a superstar and be honest and won a championship.
(49:30):
Mad City. I'd like to know, if you're a Milwaukee fane,
what's up? What's going on? Buddy h Phil.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Says, uh, yeah, fills a big Oklahoma City thunder guys.
Congrats to him a lot.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Congratulations Phil Joker would make any team.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Let's talk about that, right, shake Gil, just Alexander, Now
he's got a ring, very you know, young player, superstar.
He was already a superstar regardless of the outcome of
that NBA Finals. But when you win a championship, right,
we hold those players in different regard. You know. That's
why we talk about Dan Marino is a great quarterback,
(50:11):
but he's probably would have been talked about even more
had he won a super boy made one and lost
in his rookie year, never got back. Had Dan Marino
won one or two rings, we would have talked about
him in a different regard. He's no less a player
without the ring. So I going back to basketball now
that SGA has a ring and maybe gonna add more,
(50:31):
that team looks like, you know, barring a bunch of
guys taking bigger money contracts and leaving the team, that
team's probably the favorite to repeat, at least on paper
next year. Let's say he gets two or three rings
before his career is over. You know, he's he's that'll
move him up that all time players list. That everyone
(50:53):
likes to debate on and that sort of thing. You know,
Lebron is in the back nine, the real back nine. Yeah,
he's coming into the He's coming into the clubhouse, and
we'll have to sign a scorecard here shortly. I'm not
I don't think it's beyond the realm of the imagination
(51:13):
that he demands the trade. You know, he opted in.
It was his contract without taking a pay cut, fifty
two million dollars.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
And yeah, but I just coming up, like you said
that she is going to take the rings and fifty
million is not bad money.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah, And I'm not listen, I'm not a Lebron guy
to be told so to comment on him all the time.
But you know, there's there's a lot of guys. There's
there's probably five or six guys right if they go
to another team, will instantly make that team viable, uh,
in a shot to do damage in the posts. We
just talked about three or three or four of those
(51:51):
type guys. So I'm true. Be don't like Lauren is
the baseball and I'm probably like that to the NBA,
but I do follow it. I don't want to make
like I follow it.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Speaking of the back nine. Uh, time flies when you're
having fun.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
If you guys are familiar with the artist Greg Krinler, Uh,
he's tremendously talented and evidently John Newman has morphed into
him and looks just like him. Now, So we're gonna
I'm gonna help at the National Yeah, and I'm gonna
have to track twin.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
We're gonna, I just I got I was about to
say in defense Greg, I have a few more lbs.
And we're not we're not like you know, like you
said from from the neck up. We have some similarities
and we're both from Brooklyn, so maybe it's a maybe
it's a Brooklyn thing. I don't I don't know. Craigs
A Craigs are a great guy, obviously an uber talented artists.
(52:46):
He just uh him and Paul Asco actually just won
a couple legal battles where people were stealing H craigs
Greg's work and using it. Uh, you know when they
shouldn't be Uh and uh that got Kaba show. That's
a that's a good thing. But yeah, we're gonna I'm
gonna have to track Craig down and we'll take a picture,
(53:06):
we'll let we'll let the public decide again, not based
on lbs, but just you know, maybe the glasses and
and the hair.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
And remind me of that movie Twins with Schwartzenigger and DeVito.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
I don't know if it's that man, I don't know
if it's that big of and I listen, listen if
using that analogy, I know, I'm the veto like I'm not.
You didn't say it, but I'll you know, that's but
I don't think it's that big of a but it's funny. Listen.
(53:41):
I can laugh at myself. I can laugh at.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Myself like you guys are the best. Uh, all right,
let's wrap up here, John, would you mind going over
to Hobby Pollosa in the schedule one more time?
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yeah? Yeah, And then one other thing I want to
throw in Hobby Palooza, which will be the third week
of July, which would our normal show, but we won't
be on this channel or Hobby Hotline. We'll be on
the four Collectors Network. They've they've taken it used to
be on Bench Clear, but they've kind of spearheaded it now.
(54:14):
So we'll be on the Hobby Palooza Saturday, July nineteenth,
eleven am Eastern. So everything's the same. It's just will
be on the four Collectors Networth supporting the Hobby Poalooza
three day event live streaming great shows, great content, creators, collectors, artists.
(54:35):
If it's in the Hobby, it's gonna be on that event.
And we're blessed to have been on it. I know
since its existent, so I don't know, it's four or
five years now, and they've always tried to keep us
either in our time slot or pretty close to it,
and that's nice of them to do this. And in
this case, we're literally in the same time slot, just
(54:58):
a different network day. You actually will be engineering the show,
so we don't even have to worry about the stuff
Danny's doing right now, and we'll have more than three
people on the screen, so we can't promise anyone's safety,
you know, watch at your own risk. And the other
thing I want to announce, I can't give the official
(55:19):
date and time yet. I unofficially kind of know, but
I'll wait till that gets locked in. Another great event
you might have heard of, it's called the Nationals in
Chicago this year, and we've been Hobby Hotline and sports
cardinations for that matter, have been blessed to have some
stage time and Hobby Hotline once again in sports cardination,
(55:42):
weach have an hour. I believe that both shows will
actually go on back to back, but let's Hobby Hotline
will be on on the main stage at the National,
probably within the first two days of the show. And
you know, we'll see out of our group who can
make it at the at that time. And again we'll
(56:03):
have you know, enough mics and enough chairs and uh,
if you've seen this show before, when we've done it
at the National, we always try to be interactive with
the crowd that's right in front of us, and it's
a it's a privilege and an honor to to be
able to do that. No matter how many times it happens.
I know, I speak for Danny who's been up there
(56:24):
numerous times. No matter how many times you do it,
it's still a cool moment. It's still fun, and you know,
I always just get a kick out of it, and
I never take that for granted, no matter how many
times it does happen. So, uh, if you're going in
the National, look for us there. August will be the
second for Saturday and the fourth Saturday. Because of the
(56:47):
National we just will with Lauren. That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yes, any hobby plans this weekend.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
I need to need to write an article because it's
been so that's my plan, honestly, is to like get
get back in the game.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
You're skipping the Dallas card show, enjoy yourself, get some
time with the family. Absolutely, Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3 (57:13):
It's always a good weekend to you know, think about cards.
And we had family here and they are gone, so
it's quiet and I have my laptop back, and yeah,
I'm gonna do whatever. It probably take a.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Nap real quick. To answer Abeles question, I'm gonna say
I don't want nothing set in stone nowhere. Yes, I'm
gonna venture probably with doing the on stage stuff. Danny
probably know. But if enough of us say hey let's
do something in the in the media room, and and
it has the equipment, Like I'm flying, so I can't
(57:45):
bring everything I would if I was going to Cleveland
or Atlantic City. But if if the opportunity to present itself,
I say possibly, But I think the main stage performance
will kind of you know subtle set that or I'll
release that and we get the audio and video from
that and we'll release it. Obviously on eventually on Hobby
(58:06):
Hotline channel, So I'm gonna say probably not. It's also
the day of our Hobby Hotlight dinner that's become an
annual event, so I would you know, gut in ahead,
so to speak, I'd say the main stage will probably
that which is live stream. You can catch that on
the national live stream. So if you're not at the
(58:27):
event and you want to see all our ugly mugs,
and I will obviously announce what day and time that
would be. It's available that week, so that will be
you know, the national show if you will.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
All right on that note, that is the end of
episode three. See us in two weeks for John.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Two weeks Hobby Palooza four Collectors Network, same time and date.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
All right, Thank you, Lauren, thank you John, everybody else.
Have a great hobby weekend.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
Sh
I love the caffeine version of the opening. Dude, I
never get tired of it. Congratulations, that is still the
most energetic Saturday morning way to get started. John Lauren,
how are you guys doing episode three forty eight? Hobby?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
How let's going on morning? Uh? Yeah, you know that's
the football coaching me. I think that kind of went
with that sort of theme. So you know you want
to run through a wall. I can't run through any
more walls anymore because things right got me at my age.
But maybe the younger version of me might have.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
What's up in that city? Real quick? John, I know
you want to make an announcement, but I think this
is worthy of talking about. It is Larry Adobe Day.
If you are not familiar with Larry Adobe, please pause this,
stop and come back and watch later. It's okay. Our
feelings won't be hurt. Larry Adobe Day is the day
that Larry Adobe integrated the American It was just weeks
(01:28):
after Jackie Robinson. It's an incredible story and definitely something
that's worth recognizing, and today is the anniversary, so definitely
I want to throw that out there. What's up?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
He doesn't get enough credit, you know, obviously everyone knows
I'm a Jackie guy, but like you said, it was
only a mirror couple of weeks after Jackie's debut. So
I've heard him called the American League Jackie Robinson. He's
Larry Adobe and he's right there with Jackie Robbinson.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I'm sorry. I don't want to cut you off, but
I am.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
He was an all star.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
He was a great player on his own right.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
If you're not sorry, Jackie was probably a little more
vocal with with social issues. That doesn't mean Larry Dobe
didn't care. Obviously, Jackie sort of became the the centerpiece
or the mouthpiece for UH society and rights and for
African Americans and that sort where Larry I mean, you
(02:27):
could argue Larry Dobe was a better player in terms
of with with his career numbers. Obviously, Jackie only played
nine years in total due to some injury UH and illnesses. So,
but both obviously very important to the game of baseball
and both need to be celebrated.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Similarly, aren't I the most fun person to be on Lauren?
We go over the whole show, and my first topic
is off schedule.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
No, it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I know.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You were like Paul's come back. I was, well, I
can't do that. I gotta just nod in my head
and go along with it. Read it later because I
don't know much about him, so I enjoy her. You
guys talk about him.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, absolutely, fantastic student's Trackie had of here in the minors.
You use the MLB Derby came right from the newgir Leaks.
That's an excellent point. Stukes love the comments. Don't stop on,
Larry John. I want to get to you. A lot
of people that watch this are fans of hobby Palooza,
and you have some information on this year.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah. First off, I know I've said this when I've
been on. Just with the summer and getting ready for
a national, we're on normally the first and third Saturday.
I'm not supposed to be here today, but I'm jumping
in for Samuel, so I'm pinch hitting. I'm the Manny
Mota apparently of the show. If you're from Baltimore, there
(03:48):
you go. But so we're on the first and third
Saturday of every month. One programming note August because of
the national, will be the second and fourth. We'll still
the same spacing, but instead of first and third, second,
or fourth. But the next iteration of the show after
today's show will be the third Saturday, and we'll be
(04:10):
on Hobby Palooza, which is on the four Collectors Network.
We'll be in our normal time slot though, so eleven
am Eastern eighth Pacific. Well, just so everyone knows, we
won't be that day only we won't be on Bench
Clear or Hobby Hotline. You don't have to do the
four Collectors Network as part of their hobby Who's three
(04:33):
days of streaming hobby content be overload, but some great
people on and for that show. For how like there's
three of us here, for that show, you'll see more
than three of us. That's kind of an all hands
on deck type of show. And for probably heavy heavy
national talk, as we would be like a week away
(04:56):
from the national.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I am out of town missing. If so don't don't
include me.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I'll talk.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I'll talk. It'll be like five am in Alaska, so
I'll get up and watch. I'm not leaving my room.
I'm gonna be on the internet the whole time. I
have ice cubs. I don't need to see a glacier. Okay,
big big conversation this week is the w NBA Rookie
(05:23):
Royalty product. There is so much to talk about with this.
I'm gonna start with the Dutch auction. A lot of
people may be familiar that a lot of products now
come out via Dutch auction, a Dutch SHOs, A Dutch
auction starts at a higher price and it drops. Consider
what drops slowly until people buy the product or somebody
(05:45):
buys the product. Now, if it continues to drop, you
ultimately do get it at the lowest price. So if
you bid at a higher price, you do get it
at the lowest price. The Rookie Royalty product started at
thirty thousand. It finished at three thousand and so all
everybody who got in got into three thousand and then
from what I saw, the secondary market was just about
(06:07):
eight thousand pretty quickly. I don't know if you guys
saw the same thing, U Mookie. I absolutely made the
same joke before the show. So I'm not going to attend. Yes,
three days of Screaming is Honikah Light eight Crazy Nights.
See if they've changed a name to that probably trust me.
(06:31):
So MSRP has gone because of breakers. It's a sad world. No,
this is how the companies are trying to do it.
So I wouldn't blame just the breakers. This is also
the distributors. This is the big retail shops and you
know phil Breakers are a part of the distribution network.
This is for all districts. So when you started thirty
(06:53):
thousand a box, I don't know how you can do
that with a straight thing. Lauren, welcome, How are you.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Happy to happy to jump in on this topic. It's uh,
it's a yeah. So I mean, like Danny said, uh,
started at thirty thousand, dropped down to it was three thousand.
I thought it was between four and three, so I
wasn't sure. So three thousand, that's crazy. It's I believe,
two cards per box, and it's a big gamble. And
(07:23):
I think the I think the only autos are Angel
Reese and Caitlin Clark, right, so like the only way
to really kind of win your money back and your
money back is to hit Clark. So I I don't
love that they can kind of set that up for
Angel Reese to fail because her cards sell for secure. Yeah,
(07:46):
I was a little I was a little disappointed with that.
I think that that was a little irresponsible of Panini,
But you know, I know it's this business, so that
that was a little frustrating for me. And then we
checked last night. Brian and I checked night on eBay
to see because some of the cards that were coming
out were not player event, you know, game whatever related,
(08:09):
and but flawless historically is. So we were like, okay,
well maybe flawless will you know, be the one that'll
be like, you know, top tier. That's what everybody's kind
of been asking about for a while. You know, everybody
who wants in the lead. Kaitlin Clark probably wants a
flawless And we checked last night, and I think the
one that we did find it's not affiliated with anything
(08:32):
like it's straight out of the you know, Dick Sporting
goods section. So that's also a little disappointing.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You know, I say, that's more than a little disappointing. Yeah,
that just sucks. I mean somebody had to make that decision,
and you made the wrong desion.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, for it's it's
obviously you know, I think that with this, especially starting
with the Dutch auction at like thirty grand, I think
that you know, it's safe to say Nini said, let's
cash in because it's it's a mish mosh. You know,
it's kind of like a like an expensive, expensive version
of like you know, like Hoops or Contenders, not hoops,
(09:11):
but more so you know, like you know, like where
you just kind of get like a little of this,
a little of that, you know, but it's the big
thing which I let off with. And you know, of
course I'll let you guys talk about to because someone know,
what you think was just kind of setting up the
rest of the league, but especially Angel rees to be
dogged on because you know breakers are gonna be opening
(09:33):
and everybody in the comments if you pull an Angel
Resotto instead of Caitlin Clark, you just know it's gonna
be brutal. And like, you know, does that impact her
directly in that moment. No, But we've seen the narrative
and we've seen the greater experience of you know, WNBA
games right now, and and also the players just out
in the wild living their life. And uh yeah, I
(09:56):
don't want to be a hater, but I'm overall kind
of disappointed with the product. But I'd love to hear
what you guys think.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, I just want to read this comment because I
think this is part of the problem for all the
people that are wondering about Pagebeckers twenty twenty four products.
In July twenty twenty five by accoulend I think that's
a terrific point, because really, when you talk about the
players they could have put in, the two most well
known are recent Clark, but John, you know this well
(10:25):
known at Bobby Value. Are two totally different.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Oh yeah, no doubt. It's a great point that Lauren
just made. I was rich and I've thought about I've
got a lot of thoughts on this product, but I
didn't even think of that angle. Here you got Angel
Reese and Caitlin Clark, who listen, there's no love loss
between these two athletes, whether it's the war of words
or stuff that happens on the court. I don't think
(10:49):
they're you know, and they might respect each other as competitors,
I don't think they're big fans of each other overall.
And then, like Laura and said, Benini kind of pairs
them off in this product, we're either gonna get one
or the other. Obviously, if you pull a Caitlin Clark autoh,
you have a better chance at recouping the money you
(11:12):
have into the break or the box. If you bought
the box out right, the rees auto less of a
chance of that. So you're ready diminishing. You know, regardless
of what you think of Angel Reese as a player,
you're ready putting her behind eight ball in this product
as well. Not that she might not care, but you
know what stuff they hear about this stuff too, and
(11:35):
so I'd be curious if this does get its way
back to Angel Reese. You know, she even weighs in
on it or says something about it. I don't expect them.
One of the problems I have is, you know, you
can start a Dutch auction at whatever price you want,
but thirty k is pretentious and we don't even know
(11:57):
print runs. Like how many boxes did that? They did
they make? They won't tell you. I think that number
is high because you, like Laurence said, you got a
mac lit National Treasures flawless. I think nor Uh is
in this. They're not making those of standalone products, so
they're just doing this. So think about the money they
(12:20):
would have wanted to make from those products on their own,
and now doing it this way like a Chronicles release. Yeah,
to me, this screams of there's a lot more of
this than than we think, uh, you know whatever whatever
that number is. And three T you know, yeah, can
(12:40):
you hit a Caitlin Clark Auto. I'm sure there's a
one on one. I'm sure there's a Chase card that
would obviously you'd win there, But like like Lauren said,
you have to hit a Caitlin Clark Auto most likely,
or a Downtown or Kaboom, which is the second card.
And with the Downtown and Kabooms, it's not just Reese
(13:01):
or Clark, it could be any of the other at
WNBA players. So theano is what's going to drive the product,
and if you get one over the other, you're gonna
be in better shape most likely, unless you're saved by
the Koom or the Downtown.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I would say one of the great plays. If you
want to go after this product and you're looking to
make some money on it, stay away from Kaitlyn and Andrew.
I love this comment. There are a lot of players
that are not Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reeves. And if
call of your wins MVP, you know how cheap can
(13:38):
you buy the card for? Now, let's just say it
will be more. It doesn't matter what the numbers are
it will be lower and then it will be higher.
I mean that that's that's just the way you could
go love Kaitlyn Clark Angel Reese is from Baltimore. Her
brother played for the Terps. I have total respect for
(13:59):
both of them, but they're from players, and I wish,
you know, I saw the Magic Bird type, you know, comparisons.
I get where that's where that's I don't want to
say low hanging fruit, but I get where people go
to that.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, it's an easy correlation to see.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if that's what it is.
I you know, I don't know that there are styles
of player or anything alike where Magic and Bird had
so many similar skills and whatever. But that being said,
this product could have really jumped started. I think Panini
opening up a whole line for this year. And one
(14:36):
of the questions that I thought was fantastic and I
hadn't even thought of. And if you guys know the answer,
is there a dual auto with both of them.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I'm not sure I saw that comment, and I'm not
sure that's a really good question. I don't think so,
but I don't know for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
John, would that be the coolest card of easily.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Here's what I'll say, Like Lauren, I don't know to say, yeah,
there is one, I know about it. Here's what But
if you if you, if you're Panini and you're releasing
this product and you have Angel Reese autos and Caitlin
Clark autos, but you don't have a dual auto, someone
needs to be fired. I'm not a guy that likes
to necessarily fire people. But you have a product which
(15:17):
has both of these athletes autos in it, and you
don't make a due auto like who dropped the ball there?
Like that's that's so easy to to when you already
have those two athletes signing anyway, just put them on
the same car. I don't even I don't know. I
don't you know. Obviously I like it on card auto
better than a sticker audo. But sticker autos don't bother
(15:39):
me as much as they probably bother others. Even if
that was a sticker auto dual auto card, it's still
a due auto. It's still a due Like if that's
the only way you could get it done, you know,
maybe there is one. And Angel Reese wrote something on
there like.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
That, like I mean, I have the you know, Bowman
College one, which I'm very like, you know, proud of,
but to see them, you know, as professionals on a duel, Yeah,
and I agree with John, like I'm okay, Like those
are sticker attos. I'm okay with sticker autos. But in
this product that's supposed to be you're gonna start it
(16:16):
at thirty thousand dollars. They're not player affiliated patches, player
game whatever affiliated patches. You know, the the chances are
like not there, Like the value is not much because
Caitlin Cark's way up here and everybody else is like
simmering down here, which I do agree. If you are
an Fista Collier fan or Brienna Stewart or you know,
(16:39):
anybody else, anybody else on any other team, then you
know it's people who don't really value those cards, so
you just want to get rid of them and like,
you know, make it a wash of whatever they lost.
So for people who are fans of other players picking
them up on eBay, that's good. It's not I don't
think great for the overall ecosystem w NBA cards, but
(17:02):
that seems to be one of the few pros is
that if you are not an avid Caitlin Clark collector
or investor or whatever. Then you know you can kind
of pick up the leftovers at hopefully a decent price.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
How crazy is this? It's you know, it's it's being
presented as such a premium, high end product. And and
like we've talked about, you've got you got jersey swatches
that are not tied to being game use, like like
that's great. I almost think they shouldn't have put the
game use like, don't even make game us, don't make
like just no, no non game use cards, don't even
(17:45):
I think it's more insult to like put those cards
in here than if they didn't and say, hey, we
just didn't have access to game use jerseys of some
of these players, enough of them, so you get what
you get. But by putting in like like Laurence says,
the stuff, you can go to Dick's Sporting Gods and
pull it off the rack and cut it off. Like
(18:06):
to me, that's more inside. I don't want that card.
Most people don't want that card. And I think the
tide has as has turned. I won't even say turned,
but I think a lot of people who even it
didn't bother early on are like, no, I don't need.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That, and I don't think people were aware good for
a long time. I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And I think it's it's like a buzz, you know,
it's like it starts becoming a hot topic. People have
to sort of fall on one side or the other.
I think everyone started to fall on like either make
a game used jersey card or don't but don't do
don't do the Hey, we just got this, you know,
off the rack, and you know it is a jersey
(18:44):
that would have their you know that player's name on
the back, but they never wore you know what I mean.
That's I just I don't see the especially in a
product like this. If you want to put it in
a lower level product, then it is what it is.
And someone pulls that and they don't like it to
sell it or give it to somebody, but you know
you're paying at minimum a three K for a box.
(19:06):
I don't want like a shelf worn jersey card off
off the rack if you will.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And that was the question that Phil had, how do
you feel about player warn but not game year.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I will say this, I like that better than the alternative,
right they did just a player that pull off.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Like that illusion of like, uh, you know, of spectfulness.
I like that, you know, like the pictures where they
like can't put their arms down because they just have
like thirty jerseys on. I know it's ridiculous, but you know,
if you say player warning and that's all it is,
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But if it's not a better I will say that
it's better. Then it's better than not player. How much better.
We could do a whole show probably exactly on that alone.
But yeah, it's it's, it's it's And Lauren made another
great point with this is going if you're a w
NBA collector, if you are a specific player collector of
(20:11):
of w NBA player, this is gonna be great on
the secondary market because you're gonna see a lot of
these singles on whatever, eBay, Sports, lots other selling platforms,
and and I think you're gonna be able to pick
up some nice deals you collect those other players. You know,
let's be real, Caitlin Clark's stuff that you're not gonna
pick that up cheap. That is what it is. Uh,
(20:33):
And you already know that if you collect Caitlin Clarks,
that's not breaking but if you collect some of these
other players, I think you're gonna you're gonna like this product,
not if you're buying it at three K, but you're
gonna like this product if you're going uh after it's
open and buying those those cards that make their way
onto secondary market platform, because I think you're gonna get
(20:55):
some some deals there.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
To me, this is the ultimate buy the card, not
the box. Yep, yep, you know some products are just
like that Bowman first, to me is one as much
as I'd like to take a chance on any prospect
I get, I'd rather go by the prospect I won.
And to me, this is a similar situation. Any funnel
words before we move on from Rookie romative, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, I mean it's gonna be Listen, it's gonna be
interesting to see how this all plays out once it
gets into the breaking outfits. You know, like if you
hear a breaker the front man say, hey, we got
you know, eighty boxes of this, we're gonna be breaking tonight.
Buy in. You know that that's gonna tell you a lot.
Because the limit on Panini's site was ten boxes. Now
(21:44):
you know a lot of these breaking outfits have obviously
multiple counts multiple If you start hearing a lot of
like we got eighty boxes to break, you you know
that there's a lot of this product where I believe
there's a lot more. That's why they're not announcing if
it was limited. They say, hey, we only made two
thousand boxes. We only made ten thousand boxes. They're not
(22:06):
giving you any numbers, which tells uh that numberly high
where they're still printing that too. Well, there's a rumor
to Danny real quick just finished with this. There's even
a low of three, the bottom of three. There's a
rumored that Panini pulled pulled some back and even sell
(22:26):
them at that price too.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
So I know somebody that had allegedly I know somebody
that had it in their shopping cart and then had
it pulled out in the middle of the transaction.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yes, maybe it's true that that's what.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, Links have a great following new ownership with a
Rod you know what, I am so for a new ownership.
I so can't like it is either. Yeah, you know
it's it's like I'm happy for them, but it's a Rod. Okay,
card shows I'm gonna forget and gout. Please add onto
(23:00):
the list because we're in all different parts of the
country and uh, this is a thorough list. But just
in the last month or two, Fanatics Fest National coming
up Shantilly. Uh, East Coast National, Right, John.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, you got burd Bank Show, you got the Dallas.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Card Show, Comic Con, Dallas Card Show.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You got a bunch of Midwest big shows like really
uh forming and taking holds. So really, very few parts
of the country you don't have a big type show
anymore or have acts. A new shows pop up. Uh,
we're seeing old shows increase their the amount of dealer cables,
(23:41):
they're they're finding new venues, bigger venues including arenas uh
to hold the show and where maybe before it was
at a VFW and now it's at UH an arena
where sports team plays and so uh, you know it's good.
That's a double edged sword, right. It means a hobby
UH is getting larger or at least you know, the activity.
(24:04):
There's more transactions and more activities. But there's the point
of the question I think Danny for you came up
with this is there is a tipping point. Right, It's
like scales, like how many can we get to? Too
many shows? And that's really the question, right. And you know,
I've had people on sports cardination where I've asked them
(24:25):
their opinion that right, and the general answer is like,
the hobbyists will determine that right by attending. If attendance
starts going down, and promoters are like, man, I didn't
have enough people pay admission and walk through the door today,
and dealers are complaining that, hey, I didn't have a
good show. You know, there was half the people here
(24:47):
that was the last time I was here, and those
half of the attendants they weren't really spending like typically
I see. I think that's the dealers and the attendees
are going to determine that. And you know when a
dealer stops, when a promoter says to the dealer, are
you're going to be here next month? Are you good?
And they say, I don't know, I didn't have a
(25:08):
great show. I'm and I have to let you know
when that stuff starts happening that that will dictate it
more than.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I will say. The show I was out last weekend
had more dealers than the previous one. They are growing
and it's already a huge show. And Chentily so for
whatever that's worth. They've got some new management, some you know,
fresh people keeping an eye on it over there as
part of the merger of some different companies. It was interesting.
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They are definitely squeezing more tables into the same space.
So for whatever that's worth. What's going on Rocks Sports
Card Shop, both locations. We appreciate that as always Rocks
as a friend of the show. This is part of
the issue, Lauren. There's only so much inventory people can have.
So whether you're a local card shop, if somebody like
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John where he's got his own collection, but it's not
you know, it's not bottomless, and you know, you have
to refresh every so often. Do all these shows just
make you know, our dealers just like buying from each
other to keep it up. I mean, are you seeing
the same dealers the same shows over and over with
the same stuff. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah? I mean we you know, because we we set
up at a lot of these shows. We're skipping Dallas
this weekend, which we usually do skip the July fourth
because of how many shows there are in the summer.
And you know, and it's not that's not a derogatory thing.
That's just for us. We have to set a personal
limit because we get worn down and and yeah, and
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you have to it's not just showing up. You have
to have an inventory, you have to you know, price it.
You have to engage with people. And I'm not saying
that as a negative thing. I'm just saying that, like
when you set up as a vendor, it's work and
you kind of forget that. Like fanatics Best. We're very
excited for fanatics Fest and we went and it was awesome,
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but we were exhausted after. And it's because you know,
we were on our feet, we were talking to people,
we were running around. We you know, we had to
lug our stuff in and out with you know, it's
it's a lot. And in the New York He's.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Like, it's I'm laughing at that cabin. I'm not laughing
at you.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
They usually have a breaker logo on their shirts and
that's how you identify. But yeah, it's you know, it's
I I'm never wanted to be like, oh, there's too
many shows. I think you just have to set your
personal limit. Like we were set up with some guys
and they live in New York and they were at
fanatics Fest and they were like Okay, we're like we're
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not even done a finags Fest and they're gearing up
for Chantilly and you know, and then you know, like
there it's just kind of a domino effect after that,
and everybody does still have to consider the National that
the National is a big indicator of like how the
month prior is going to go, because sometimes people, you know,
they they want to wait, they want to wait until
after the Natchal or you know, until after all these
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shows before going to National, before doing something because they
want to see, well, I might find something else there
at a better price or whatever. So it's kind of
hard to decide as a from the vendor side of
things like where to go. I think as a as
a collector, it's you know, it's probably hard to zip around,
you know, the country to all these shows. But if
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you can and you want to and it makes your
collection better, uh, I think it's probably a good thing
that you have so many options, because we also can't
vendors can't go to every show, you know. That's the thing.
If there's two on one weekend who.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Says, well, can't go to, only show they can't go
to is one that's on the same day. Of a
show they're at, and even then, if they had the inventory,
they could have employ Yeah, that's what I see, Danny,
is when you see these people do content where their
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deals at. They're at like every show, at a different
show every weekend. I'm married, I have a kid, but
he's an adult now. But some of these guys, I
don't know their family situation. I wouldn't be able to
do that if I wanted to. Now I don't want
to as a dealer, But even if I did, I
don't even think. I mean just the grind. Like Lauren
(29:26):
point out, all the stuff you have to do. You know,
it's not like you just show up at the show
for two days and collect money and go home and
then do it next weekend. There's stuff that if your
dealers know this, there's stuff you're doing all through the
week to get ready for that weekend show, whether that's
buying a collection, repricing stuff, selling stuff. You know, you're
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most likely if you're a dealer at a weekend show,
you're selling stuff during the week another platform, so you're shipping.
So you know, I couldn't do a show. I do
about eighteen to twenty shows a year, maybe even a
little less, maybe more around the fourteen to sixteen because I.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Know you can you talk about the different size shows
you do.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, I mean here in Syracuse, I do what's called
the Fairground Show Collectors Fast is actually what it's called.
And these are generally there's two versions of it. There's
the fair grounds itself. There's gonna be one hundred and
ten tables there, and then there's the hotel version of that,
and there's gonna be fifty the sixty table, so about
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half the size. And then I do a monthly show
in Watertown, New York, which is about an hour north
of Syracuse. It's a Fort Drum is a military base,
it's a military town, and that's a smaller show, forty
to fifty table, and you know, we'll occasionally I'll do
a one off show somewhere. I did Springfield, Massachusetts last year,
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but generally Watertown in Syracuse is where I stay.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Now.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
When I was a younger dealer, I go to Ohio, Pennsylvania.
I do a little more traveling, but I don't know
traveling like as much as I like to travel, I
don't like I like having weekends where I don't have
anything necessarily to do. I can go on my deck
with a beverage and a cigar and you know, or
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sit in my hot tub and just have nothing, just
to clear itinerary. I don't want to be like your
weekends are always accounted for. When you're doing all these shows,
you have no week You're in a building all day.
I want to be outside. And I'm only speaking for me,
maybe certain other people, but like and I love a show.
I'm not for merchant shows for shows stink. But there's
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a limit to how many how often I want to
be in the building everywhere. For me, I like to
you know, the older you get, the less time you
have left in that out in that hour lesson. I
just don't want to be in a building every weekend.
I really don't. You know, money aside, and you know,
I like, I like making money as a dealer at shows.
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I'm not going to apologize that, but I just don't
want to be in a building Friday, Saturday, Sunday, every
It's just that's a great And then I think if
I did that Lauren and Danny, I would I would definitely.
I don't want to say dislike the hobby, but my
enjoyment and passion for the hobby would wane to where
it is the way I do now.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Well, and you guys are up north too, so like
you know, for a good portion of the year you
can't go outside.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
That's right, So we get I understand, you know, taking
in while you can, and this is the best time
to do that.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
So you have to find that balance.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, we got a transition away from John in the
hotub to John inside her that's definitely well.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Well, Phil, Phil follows me on Facebook, so he knows.
I've been been like a Blackstone master since I got it.
A couple of you know, itchy baying at home.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I have a question for both of you, since you
both set up what day do you set up the
first one? A big? Do you need to come in
the day before? Can you set up the morning of?
How does your process? How well organized? And you know
the tricks of the trade that you learn over time,
you know, how how quickly can you pack up an
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unpacked waren Well.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
We you know it hates to like make this along
with an answer because it shouldn't be complicated. But you know,
we have a camper, so sometimes we drive a lot
of times for Dallas, we drive and we've learned that
getting there on Wednesday when nothing is happening yet and
just getting in the hotel, getting settled, you know, doing
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some fat like last minute prep stuff that helps a lot.
And also if there's you know, inclement weather or whatever,
then you know, we can account for that. We have
a buffer because there have also been times where if
we flew to a show, you know, then we are
you know, either leaving straight from or going straight to
the show, and then you're kind of discombobulated. And Brian's
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not a great flyer, so like thet of that and
then like being laid and all that stuff that accumulates.
So yeah, we we like to you know, take that
extra but again that's another day that we're not at
home or you know that we're traveling or whatever, so
we kind of have to account for that. And yeah,
because we have done where we like step off the
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airplane plane, go straight to the show and set up
and like we can do it. It's possible, but it's
not always the best. You know, we aren't always our best,
you know when we're interacting with people. If that's the case,
because our minds are like you know, all over the place,
so you know, you just kind of find different ways
to get into it. You know, it's also not to
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be paid too far. But when we do like it,
you know, like John said, you know, we we do
make money off of it, and that is also you know,
a perk, but we enjoy it, you know, we like
doing like it's it's work that we like doing that
we feel good about. And it can be overwhelming sometimes
and you know, there's a lot of information constantly coming out,
and you know, so like I'm not trying to be
(35:03):
like WHOA is me? But you have to remember that
just because you love it doesn't mean you're not putting
effort into it, and that it can take a lot
out of you.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
So yeah, and John, I know you because you're very
type Addie.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Well look for me. I do a lot less traveling
than Lauren and Brian, so I have it a little
bit easier. Like the Syracuse the Fairground show. It's literally
four point five miles from my house. I have one
time the shows. So I want to hear crazy. I'll
make this quick crazy story. I go to say it's
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on Sunday. There is pre set up on Saturday, which
I take advantage. So I'll go Saturday and kind of
put all my showcases out, my stand up cases, no cards.
I don't leave them there overnight, even though the building
gets locked up and I gonna leave that to chance,
but I call it the bones of my setup. I'll
set that up on Saturday, and then I'll come Sunday
(35:59):
morning and put all the cards and that sort of thing. Well,
one Sunday and I still get there early. I like
to get there early so I don't feel like, man,
they're about to open the doors and I'm still putting
cards out. I don't like that sort of pressure. So
I'll get there early so I could be done. Well,
that's a good thing in this case, because one day
I have one box that houses most of my graded
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card and when I got there, you know, you know
that feeling like, man, I'm missing something, something's not right. Well,
I had left that box on my kitchen table, and
I'm like debating, do I go home and get it
or try to do the show without that. Well, that's
a heavy part of my inventory, so I'm like, I'm
running home twenty minutes. I even told my dealer, who
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a friend that I set up with, Hey, watch my stuff.
I can forget a box, I can get it. The
show wasn't open yet, but just you know, dealers are
walking around. Just keep an eye on what is here.
And I said time me and from when I left
till the one I got back minutes which is probably
a new record. I won't be able to preak, so
(37:05):
I you know, Watertown's an hour, there's no pre setup.
I go on. That's a Saturday show, the water So
I like a Saturday show more than a Sunday show.
I think Saturday shows are better attended. Sunday people are
getting ready to go back to work, sort of a
de facto family day for a lot of folks. When
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I do a Saturday show, if everything is the same
and there's been a couple of fairground show that he
had to schedule on a Saturday for whatever reason, Saturday
shows generally to me, or with all things being equal,
we'll have more attendance over a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Rookie says John's land speed record is impressive.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I was running.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I was listening with the dunkin run.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I had already got Duncan, so I already had the coffee.
I just didn't have the grated card box. I can
move for a big guy who's not in the greatest
shape in the world. Listen, I still play softball. I'm
not saying. I'm not saying I like to run. I'm
not claiming You're not gonna see me enter any half
marathons or even a five K. But I can run
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like if need be, and I have no choice, I
can do it.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
If the zombies are coming is gone.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, I'm good for ten I'm good for ten minutes,
and then I'm gonna have to stop and try to
fight him off for Getdy, most likely Getdy.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah. By the way, if anybody ever sees me running,
come help. It's not voluntary, all right, we camp time
is flying today, mlb A games coming up Baseball. For
whatever reason, baseball is not the number one sport in
the country, but it is the number one sport in
the hobby. All star uh, first time players, a veteran
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all over the place, guys like Hafi Bayaz and Labor
Torres coming back to life out of nowhere. Anything to
catch your attention, guys you know, and any players that
you were glad to see you're disappointed card wise otherwise
I'm leave to John.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Well, you got Listen, you got the Athletics. I guess
they're a Sacramento Athletics or just the athletics. Jacob. Yeah,
Jacob Wilson's having a great year, probably not getting a
lot of attention because of the team he plays on.
So I look at a guy like that. Now, I'm
not saying he's gonna be a perennial ten time All Star,
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but he's having an All Star year and is deservingly
getting Uh you know, is just do it with an
All Star appears. I like to see that you might
not see. I don't know how many times you'll see
it again. Hobby Bay is that guy was left for
dead and and deservingly so when you look at his numbers,
he was under the Mendoza line. Like, I don't know
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what happened this year. You know, when we look at Hobby,
I'm not going out and scarfing up a bunch of
Hovey bias card. I don't believe he's like back, but
you know, he's having a good year and he's being
rewarded with an All Star pier. That's what the All
Star game for many years, and I get it. For
many years, it became sort of a popularity contest, right,
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but they would put guy, hey there were this is
his last year, he don't have it, he's not having
an All Star year, but he's announced like this is
his last year, he's retiring. He's in the All Star Game.
And I get that. I'm not. Yeah, like I don't
hate that, but you know, to me, like as a
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kid that played baseball all growing up through high school
playing softball still, you know, Little League, we had an
All Star game, right and the best kids from each
team select. I want to see, you know, production rewarded
rather than career, you know, or so when you see
a Jacob Wilson or listen, even how a Bias who
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I think you know is just catching lightning in the
battle this year, but he deserves an appearance. You know,
if you look at his last five years, you'd say,
what the heck happened? Why is he there? This? Because
he earned it this year, not the previous five. So
I like those stories. And then you've got your your
obvious guys that are going to be All Stars every
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year barn in to show hey, uh and that's so.
And then people want to see those though those are
people who pay money to see those type of guys.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Uh play that Aaron Judge guy in New York, I
hear is pretty good. Laurten does an All Star game,
a championship, anything like that in any sport effect for you,
prices or values of car.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, I mean I think so I am notoriously not
good at baseball, no matter how like I just I
can't get into it. I hate admitting that, especially to
baseball guys, because I hurt me and I want to
be converted. But I'm just like not there. You know,
I like show last year that.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I took you out for a second just just for
saying that.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Well, that's you know, that's honestly should I wigh it.
Nobody wants to hear from me on this, But but
I you know, like last year, you know, the World Series, Uh,
I thought, you know, which my limited knowledge, all of
the all of the Los Angeles Dodgers players, you know,
like level like show Hay, you know, like all the
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boats rose together and you know, as like a family
bloodline Yankees fan, they whooped him and it was embarrassing
for the Yankees. So you know, I, as as an
outsider of baseball, in my head, it makes sense that
like these things you know that will draw your attention.
(42:54):
You know, I'm not watching regular season games. I'm just not.
I don't have a team, and it doesn't like totally
interest me. But will I watch the World Series?
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Will I maybe tune into you know, the special events
of the All Star Game? Yeah, I might. It's like
the stars are there and you know that, like, you know,
it's a big deal. That's how it is for every sport,
and so yeah, like to me, I think if it
also with cards, if they you know, newer cards, if
they play it right, you know, I know tops now
cards are kind of like math. You know, sometimes they're
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a little bit of a cheap, you know, gimmick thing,
but sometimes they like highlight a really cool moment. And
like if there's a really cool moment at the All
Star Game, and I know somebody said the comments like
the the home run derby jerseys are cool, Like you know,
if there's a really cool moment and they're in these
uniforms that are like unique, then I think that's cool.
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But I'm not you know, I'm an outsider looking in,
so I would be the chump who would be like, yeah,
I think that's totally like, you know, worth whatever.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
But I do I do think that there's troops of that, John.
I mean, we talk about this, whether it's quarterbacks in
football the need a Super Bowl, you know, to kind
of cop off their value, or an NBA player who
needs to make an All NBA team at some point
just to kind of justify that. I mean, for you,
when you look at a player's resume, how much is
just the pure stats and how much the awards.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Go to Cooperstown and read read the plaques on the wall. Right,
what's it say on that? Right? You know so and
so had nine nine All Star appearance. You know, it's
third all time in RBIs or whatever the stats are,
they're important enough to put on a Cooperstown plaque. That's
why I don't want to see just people kind of
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like given one because it's their last year, like Jeter Ripkin.
Sorry D. But they're not the only two. Maybe they're
two bigger names that are easy to remember off the
top of your head. You know, I'm glad Jacob Wilson
got in. He's having an incredible year. Col Riley, you know,
(44:55):
Rally is tearing the cover off the ball in Seattle.
He's someone mentioned in the comments, right, there's a lot
of young players on the come up in baseball, Bobby
Wit Junior and the like. Right, this is baseball chance
on national primetime TV to say, hey, we got some superstars,
you know, young ones, like this league's gonna be in
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good shape for the long haul. It's not just veterans.
We got some young guys, young guns coming up through
the ranks as well. And like Lord pointed out, the
events surrounding the game itself, right, very few people don't
watch the home run Derby, and they've changed some of
the rules to maybe make a little bit shorter. So
you know, people's attention spans are only good for so long,
(45:42):
so they've tried to make it. Plus, these guys are
getting tired out taking fifty swings in one session, so
against the clock, no less so, but the home run
derby's fun to watch. Right. We watched just you know,
in its heyday, we watched the slam Dunk competition during
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the NBA All Star weekend. Uh, no one ever watched
a football Pro Bowl that was that was inflated numbers.
So but even they've come up with like now a
flag game, and now they're doing like events and the.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
NFL Pro Bowl is not anything like making an NBA
All Star team or an MLB All Star team. I mean,
it's just everybody makes the NFL Pro Bowl. I mean, John,
you finished second.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
You know I almost went I almost went right.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Let me ask you guys a question. And I'm a
suffering Washington Wizards fan two years away, two years away,
and for me, I look at the off season and
there's not much for my team. I look at all
the other rumors, all the other moves, the draft, and
then I look at card prices and what could happen.
There's not a lot of players, Like I'm not sure
Lebron's adding a lot of value if he moved out
(46:53):
of la not that he will, and I'm not sure
if he wins another title, if there's a lot of
added value more than maybe a But are there guys
out there in the NBA that can still like stars,
that could still see a big impact on their value.
And the one that jumped to mind to me is Gianness.
I think Giannis could go to almost any other team.
It would be a contender, obviously, and I think his
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value goes up. Lauren, I mean, you know your thoughts,
Anthony H I know there was a trade pull Anthony.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
I'm still I'm still emotionally unwell from that. But yeah, honestly, uh,
you know, when we were kind of like, you know,
warming up on the topics and you mentioned Giannis, I
think that is the best example of a player that
really could go anywhere. And unfortunately the first thing I
did want Washington because they are just notoriously and I
(47:49):
think even there, I think because of you know who
he is, and and honestly, I'm not like a I'm
not like a basketball purist. I kind of am like,
you know what anybody's got at any time, and I
want to see Washington do well, like luckily their w
NBA team is doing well right now. But yeah, I
think with jannest I think that's a great example of like,
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I mean, where couldn't he go that you know, he
wouldn't raise his value and the stock of you know,
the team and everyone around him. So I don't know,
it's it's interesting. There's been a lot of interesting moves.
I was very surprised about Miles Turner leaving the Pacers.
I thought that was crazy after they just had a
finals run and he's been there for so long and
there have been so many rumors about him leaving and
(48:34):
and and I don't that that's gonna be curious. I mean,
Miles Turner isn't, like, you know, a big hobby guy.
But I will be interested to see how that plays out,
you know, now that he's had a Finals run, but
now he's switching to another team. And the Bucks are
kind of a weird organization. They make a lot of
weird moves and I don't fully understand them sometimes. So yeah,
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I mean, and if Joanna stays, I don't I don't
think anything will really happen. I think he, you know,
will probably just flatline. But if he did go somewhere,
especially obviously l A, you know, l A, even the Clippers,
maybe that might boo.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
I don't know, but as a as a you know what,
franchise forever. I want to read a couple of comments
here real quick. The NBA hates the fact that Milwaukee
built a new stadium, did not move to another state,
have a superstar and be honest and won a championship.
(49:30):
Mad City. I'd like to know, if you're a Milwaukee fane,
what's up? What's going on? Buddy h Phil.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Says, uh, yeah, fills a big Oklahoma City thunder guys.
Congrats to him a lot.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Congratulations Phil Joker would make any team.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Let's talk about that, right, shake Gil, just Alexander, Now
he's got a ring, very you know, young player, superstar.
He was already a superstar regardless of the outcome of
that NBA Finals. But when you win a championship, right,
we hold those players in different regard. You know. That's
why we talk about Dan Marino is a great quarterback,
(50:11):
but he's probably would have been talked about even more
had he won a super boy made one and lost
in his rookie year, never got back. Had Dan Marino
won one or two rings, we would have talked about
him in a different regard. He's no less a player
without the ring. So I going back to basketball now
that SGA has a ring and maybe gonna add more,
(50:31):
that team looks like, you know, barring a bunch of
guys taking bigger money contracts and leaving the team, that
team's probably the favorite to repeat, at least on paper
next year. Let's say he gets two or three rings
before his career is over. You know, he's he's that'll
move him up that all time players list. That everyone
(50:53):
likes to debate on and that sort of thing. You know,
Lebron is in the back nine, the real back nine. Yeah,
he's coming into the He's coming into the clubhouse, and
we'll have to sign a scorecard here shortly. I'm not
I don't think it's beyond the realm of the imagination
(51:13):
that he demands the trade. You know, he opted in.
It was his contract without taking a pay cut, fifty
two million dollars.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
And yeah, but I just coming up, like you said
that she is going to take the rings and fifty
million is not bad money.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah, And I'm not listen, I'm not a Lebron guy
to be told so to comment on him all the time.
But you know, there's there's a lot of guys. There's
there's probably five or six guys right if they go
to another team, will instantly make that team viable, uh,
in a shot to do damage in the posts. We
just talked about three or three or four of those
(51:51):
type guys. So I'm true. Be don't like Lauren is
the baseball and I'm probably like that to the NBA,
but I do follow it. I don't want to make
like I follow it.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Speaking of the back nine. Uh, time flies when you're
having fun.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
If you guys are familiar with the artist Greg Krinler, Uh,
he's tremendously talented and evidently John Newman has morphed into
him and looks just like him. Now, So we're gonna
I'm gonna help at the National Yeah, and I'm gonna
have to track twin.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
We're gonna, I just I got I was about to
say in defense Greg, I have a few more lbs.
And we're not we're not like you know, like you
said from from the neck up. We have some similarities
and we're both from Brooklyn, so maybe it's a maybe
it's a Brooklyn thing. I don't I don't know. Craigs
A Craigs are a great guy, obviously an uber talented artists.
(52:46):
He just uh him and Paul Asco actually just won
a couple legal battles where people were stealing H craigs
Greg's work and using it. Uh, you know when they
shouldn't be Uh and uh that got Kaba show. That's
a that's a good thing. But yeah, we're gonna I'm
gonna have to track Craig down and we'll take a picture,
(53:06):
we'll let we'll let the public decide again, not based
on lbs, but just you know, maybe the glasses and
and the hair.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
And remind me of that movie Twins with Schwartzenigger and DeVito.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
I don't know if it's that man, I don't know
if it's that big of and I listen, listen if
using that analogy, I know, I'm the veto like I'm not.
You didn't say it, but I'll you know, that's but
I don't think it's that big of a but it's funny. Listen.
(53:41):
I can laugh at myself. I can laugh at.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Myself like you guys are the best. Uh, all right,
let's wrap up here, John, would you mind going over
to Hobby Pollosa in the schedule one more time?
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yeah? Yeah, And then one other thing I want to
throw in Hobby Palooza, which will be the third week
of July, which would our normal show, but we won't
be on this channel or Hobby Hotline. We'll be on
the four Collectors Network. They've they've taken it used to
be on Bench Clear, but they've kind of spearheaded it now.
(54:14):
So we'll be on the Hobby Palooza Saturday, July nineteenth,
eleven am Eastern. So everything's the same. It's just will
be on the four Collectors Networth supporting the Hobby Poalooza
three day event live streaming great shows, great content, creators, collectors, artists.
(54:35):
If it's in the Hobby, it's gonna be on that event.
And we're blessed to have been on it. I know
since its existent, so I don't know, it's four or
five years now, and they've always tried to keep us
either in our time slot or pretty close to it,
and that's nice of them to do this. And in
this case, we're literally in the same time slot, just
(54:58):
a different network day. You actually will be engineering the show,
so we don't even have to worry about the stuff
Danny's doing right now, and we'll have more than three
people on the screen, so we can't promise anyone's safety,
you know, watch at your own risk. And the other
thing I want to announce, I can't give the official
(55:19):
date and time yet. I unofficially kind of know, but
I'll wait till that gets locked in. Another great event
you might have heard of, it's called the Nationals in
Chicago this year, and we've been Hobby Hotline and sports
cardinations for that matter, have been blessed to have some
stage time and Hobby Hotline once again in sports cardination,
(55:42):
weach have an hour. I believe that both shows will
actually go on back to back, but let's Hobby Hotline
will be on on the main stage at the National,
probably within the first two days of the show. And
you know, we'll see out of our group who can
make it at the at that time. And again we'll
(56:03):
have you know, enough mics and enough chairs and uh,
if you've seen this show before, when we've done it
at the National, we always try to be interactive with
the crowd that's right in front of us, and it's
a it's a privilege and an honor to to be
able to do that. No matter how many times it happens.
I know, I speak for Danny who's been up there
(56:24):
numerous times. No matter how many times you do it,
it's still a cool moment. It's still fun, and you know,
I always just get a kick out of it, and
I never take that for granted, no matter how many
times it does happen. So, uh, if you're going in
the National, look for us there. August will be the
second for Saturday and the fourth Saturday. Because of the
(56:47):
National we just will with Lauren. That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yes, any hobby plans this weekend.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
I need to need to write an article because it's
been so that's my plan, honestly, is to like get
get back in the game.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
You're skipping the Dallas card show, enjoy yourself, get some
time with the family. Absolutely, Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3 (57:13):
It's always a good weekend to you know, think about cards.
And we had family here and they are gone, so
it's quiet and I have my laptop back, and yeah,
I'm gonna do whatever. It probably take a.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Nap real quick. To answer Abeles question, I'm gonna say
I don't want nothing set in stone nowhere. Yes, I'm
gonna venture probably with doing the on stage stuff. Danny
probably know. But if enough of us say hey let's
do something in the in the media room, and and
it has the equipment, Like I'm flying, so I can't
(57:45):
bring everything I would if I was going to Cleveland
or Atlantic City. But if if the opportunity to present itself,
I say possibly, But I think the main stage performance
will kind of you know subtle set that or I'll
release that and we get the audio and video from
that and we'll release it. Obviously on eventually on Hobby
(58:06):
Hotline channel, So I'm gonna say probably not. It's also
the day of our Hobby Hotlight dinner that's become an
annual event, so I would you know, gut in ahead,
so to speak, I'd say the main stage will probably
that which is live stream. You can catch that on
the national live stream. So if you're not at the
(58:27):
event and you want to see all our ugly mugs,
and I will obviously announce what day and time that
would be. It's available that week, so that will be
you know, the national show if you will.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
All right on that note, that is the end of
episode three. See us in two weeks for John.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Two weeks Hobby Palooza four Collectors Network, same time and date.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
All right, Thank you, Lauren, thank you John, everybody else.
Have a great hobby weekend.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
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