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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:30):
All right, good Saturday morning, everybody. It's time for another
episode of Hobby Hotline. I believe this is three forty five.
You get into the three hundreds, and sometimes I'm sure
we skipped one somewhere down the line. Victor and Lauren.
But speaking of Victor and Lauren, did they are our
co host today? Victor true rookies and Lauren collects and

(00:55):
we got a variety of topics not huge news and
news cycle sort of slow down. Speaking of that, I
want to make a quick announcement. I know, I posted
it on social media on the Hobby Highlight social media.
We'll have a show next week that will be the
last one in May, and then starting in June, as

(01:17):
Lauren and Victor know, we're gonna go to the first
and third Saturdays of each month, so generally there'll be
two shows a month. It'll keep the show fresh, you know,
as the news cycle sort of normalizes, you will, it'll
keep our hosts fresh. And you know, it's busy season.

(01:38):
There is no off season in the Hobby as they say,
so we're always busy right where everyone here creates their
own content as well, so you know, true full transparency.
It's sometimes hard to get you know, a show together.
Every week especially, we kind of scramble around. Life happens, right,
things come up. Someone who is scheduled, fortunately, something happens

(02:01):
and they can't make their appearance. And so I think
going to first and third Saturdays will keep everyone fresh,
make schedule kind of easier. You won't see the same
faces all the time as well. On you know the
consumer end of things, uh and that sort of thing.
So that will be starting in June. So again, something

(02:24):
big story breaks, we can We've done it before on
this show, is Victor and Lauren. No, we can do
a special episode where we're just you know all you know,
the alarm goes off and we say, you know, man,
the battles type of things. We haven't really had a
story like that recently, but you know, you never know
what can break. So enough of the house cleaning. Victor,

(02:47):
how are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'm doing well, John, Thank you man.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, good to see you. Glad to be on with you. Lauren,
same thing. How's how's things in Laurenville?

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Good? I'm home for a long row, so I'm very
happy about that. Happy back on Hobby Online.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, we'll get some good mornings before we dive right
in there. Mad City Brew Rubin. You know all glasses team.
Sometimes I wear them, sometimes I don't, And I've been
trying to wear my glasses more. My wife's been getting
on my case in school. For my real job, it's
getting a little harder to see the boards, so we.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Look more intelligent.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I'll take every percentage I can't get, Victor, I'm looking
to get to about fifty percent more, but you got
to get to two before you can get to fifty.
Able and Vegas, who's here a lot? We appreciate it.
Good morning, Alan Forrest, says Hi. Victor Stuke's another one
of our regulars. Good morning from Lake Texoma, Philly, Joe.

(03:55):
Good morning, Gang. Question already, Abel, says Lauren. How is
the w n b A collection coming along?

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I don't. I don't think I have anything new from
w n b A. We've been doing Tennis and WWE
because Tennis had the new product come out and big
into Coca. I'll show this real quick, just because w
n b A we're back this week. Have this cool
card about it for a while. Wow, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Love the right there.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
That's all right, That card's okay.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
It's it's okay, yeah, but yeah, I love I love
that card. I think my got it for me, but
it's it's on my desk, so I could stare at
it anytime I'm here.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
All Right, all right, folks, we're going to get into
our first topic. These are not necessarily in order of
where they ranked necessarily, but this kind of story broke
guys that. Uh uh, let me get Paynter up here.
Golden Auctions is partnering with a scanning authentication company. Yeah,
that's a real thing. Let me put the graphic up here.

(04:59):
Uh so we get the name right right, the name
of the company's Industrial Inspection Consulting LLC. I think they're
fairly new. The agreement was actually, as you see the
date there on the screen, January twenty fourth, but they
just announced it. I'm sure they were crossing some t's
and dotting some eyes before they went public with it.

(05:20):
And what this will do is, you know, we know
when it comes to wax products, right, things can be opened, resealed,
things can be taken out replace that. We've seen you know,
the bb CE and a certified a case of Pokemon
that had g I Joe packs in it. I'm sure

(05:41):
they really enjoy me bringing that up again. But listen,
it happened. This company is going to assure that any
you know, wax product. I don't know if they're gonna
do with every wax products, but I'm sure with certain
ones Golden's going to have. This company cats can it.
They also use X ray technology. It's a different kind

(06:02):
of X ray that doesn't damage product. You know, if
you get an X ray as a human in a
medical place, X rays are actually not very good for you.
Sometimes they're a necessity to find out what's going on,
but if you have a lot of X rays, it's radiation.
The X rays that this company used I found out. Whatever.

(06:23):
They are not an engineer, but they're a different type
that doesn't ruin the integrity of what is being scanned
or hit with the X rays. So this is too
assured that any kind of wax products that go on
Golden are what they say they are and claim to be.
And as we all know, the three of us here

(06:45):
and those of you out there, we know that wax
products right, especially when you get into vintage and older,
and it doesn't even have to be vintage, you know,
even recent Pokemon boxes can be very expensive and when
the bidding is gonna go high, if you're bitter, you
want to know, you know that what you're bidding on

(07:06):
is the genuine McCoy and the real McCoy. I'm not
a big fan of cat skinning. We we this story
broke earlier in this year that people were having, you know,
like National Treasures boxes and exquisite boxes, cats scam to
see that it's inside it, to whether it's to open

(07:26):
it or scam the general public who are buying into
a break or what have you, so that they don't
get it. So I'm not a fan of cat skating
and for those purposes, but if it's done this way,
which is the way it's being proposed, to ensure that
a product is legit, it is what it says it is,
I'm kind of on the other side of the out

(07:48):
here Victor and Laurence. So on one hand, I don't
like it, but if it's used in this sort of fashion,
I'm not opposed to it. Kind of whoever wants to
start where do where do you get guys fall in
on this.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
One, I'm gonna say. I thought they also earlier this week,
but there was an announcement released about them teaming up
with a company called x Ray Authority. Now I don't
know if that's a knockoff of this one or they
partnered with yet another different company, But needless to say,
Golden is really getting in on this genre of the

(08:22):
hobby kind of concerning to me in several fronts. And
you know, they offer like different levels of service, and
some of them, yes, are for verifying that that is
the product that's inside those packs, and I'm okay with that.
But if you want to up the service level, you

(08:44):
can now for an extra charge, we can give you
a more stronger scan and you can see if you
have the hit or a particular card in the box.
And that's where I have a lot of concerns. And
I don't know about the layers of once that box
has been scanned, is there going to be a data

(09:06):
sheet that comes along with it.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Just my spidy senses are tingling. I guess that's the
way I can put it. And then just you know,
we've this has been out now for several months and
I still haven't heard anything about what is fanatics going
to do about this issue? I know there's been ideas
out there with rappers, some kind of sticker that'll change

(09:35):
colors if it's scanned. We have all these ideas out here,
but I haven't heard anything from fanatics, And I guess
my call is my challenge to fanatics is that the
hobby needs some clarity here as to number one, how
how does fanatics feel about it and and what kind
of steps are going to be they're going to take

(09:55):
to protect the hobby. And I just I think they've
been a little silent in this area, and I think
it's time for them to speak up on this. And
that's kind of where I'm at with it.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, real quick before we get to Lord. I was
about to say this, but put Orlando's comment up here.
X Ray, I think it's a subdivision and the same company.
So if you go to Industrial's website, you'll see cat
Skinning and you'll see the X Ray division, So I
think it's one in the same company. They just sort
of separate them into two divisions. So I think it's

(10:26):
the same agreement, just different divisions of the same company.
So they're just a clarification there. It's a good question,
but there is it two deals? Is it one deal?
I think it's one deal with a company that does
both and kind of puts them under two brands. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
And lastly, I would say, I think this is a
prime opportunity for the for the content creators out there
who are privileged enough to interview fanatics. I would say,
you know, instead of the softball questions, let's let's maybe
ask them this question because most of us don't have
access to them, but some of us do out there.

(11:06):
And I would really hope that this question gets brought
up sooner rather.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Than yeah, uh, Lauren, chime in here.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah. I I was trying to find a little bit
more information about it too, because I know this is
something that was a big top story months ago. And
I was watching a video from I believe it was
Neo Cards on YouTube and he was discussing it and
he brought up some points that I was concerned about. Well,
first of all, he said that there would be like

(11:36):
a registry. They'd put a sticker on it to say,
this is like like with PSA, you know numbers, you
can look it up here. This is when it was scanned.
It doesn't tell you anything about what's in it. It
just tells you, yes, this was scan which is great.
You know that's that gives you reassurance. It doesn't send
a report to whoever submitted it whatever, so you don't

(11:57):
know the content. However, whoever scanned it within that company,
that knowledge is there, and you know, could they And
you know, we like to think that people have you know,
the ethics to you know, kind of keep that stuff
un luck but people are people. Money flows in the
hobby and it changes, you know, it's ways people sometimes
and so that you know that that's a concern I think,

(12:20):
and he raised that and I also had that concern.
I think, you know, it's it's one of those things
that it just depends on like what you're using it for.
I guess if you're using it to you know, verify
that it's not Gi Joe cards, that's great. But if
you're using it to make sure that you've got a
hit that's you know, twenty five, thirty fifty years old,
you know, that's that's a little different. That kind of

(12:41):
muddies the waters because you know, you can take advantage
of people easily that way. So I like to err
on the side of like optimism with the hobby. But
I'm also not naive enough to think that that's the
best practice. So it's interesting. I think I agree with
vickor we have to talk to somebody has to get

(13:02):
a public statement from the companies that manufacture the products
that we you know, that we purchased, because they do
have to find a solution, you know, even if the
solution is we don't have one and we're not going
to do anything about it, we need an answer some
some sort, I think, because maybe they don't you know,
I'm sure that there is a way, but maybe they
don't have a way, or maybe they don't find it feasible,

(13:23):
and maybe they just want to wash their hands with that.
That's not our business. We put it out there. It's
not any but I do think that you know, the
the big production company's Tops and you know Panini. I
know Tops has more of the licensing now, but Panini
also that could be a really good way to, you know,
to curry some favor with the hobby and say we
are taking this seriously, We're going to look into what

(13:45):
we can do.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
So yep, yeah, piggybacking up both of what you said, right,
I don't want this, you know, not that they care
what I want or don't want, but I don't want this,
like Laurence said, to be like, let's see what's inside
this before it even goes to market or auction or sale. Right.
I think the beauty we've all opened packs and boxes before, Right,

(14:06):
the beauty is that anticipation. We don't know what we're
gonna pull or hit or open, and I don't always
you know, I don't want to know, and that really
sort of affects the integrity. The way I've read the
press release and going to the website and going to
go is it's just to ensure what's supposed to be
in the boxes. In the box, they're not going to say, hey,

(14:28):
there's a one of one logo man in this box.
And so I don't think it will be used for
that purposes, which is kind of what I said when
I intro this topic. I don't want to see it
used for bad. It's it's like superhero powers, right, I
want to see it be we're gonna use them, let's
use it for good and not the evil side. I

(14:51):
just kind of segued that into Victor's Spidey sensus. So
I figure, we talk about super power, but if it's
using the right passion, So if someone doesn't spend five
figures six figures on a box only to get it
and find out later on that it didn't contain what
they bid or purchased it for originally. Right, But I

(15:13):
don't want it to be Hey, there's a you know,
a triple logo man one on one. Let the be
at that point open the box and just sell the card,
right and bid on the card. So I think of
what's using the right form and fashion. I'm not against it,
you know. I think there's going to be a letter

(15:33):
of They do letter LA. So this company does letters
of authenticity when they scan or X ray a product,
So that will be kind of accompanying the item to
the winning bidder or purchaser of the product. So for them,
if they were in turn going to flip it, resell it,

(15:54):
move it down the line to another person for sale,
that LA goes along with it. So that's you know,
there's any Is there.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Gonna be any anything on the box that says Dad?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I don't know, Victor. It's a good question, you know, you.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Know, I think they said that. Sorry in the video
they said that it would be like a little sticker
like like like if you get is like the National.
Excuse me, Like when you get an autograph, you can
pay to have it authenticate, and it's just like a
little oval sticker. So I think they said that there
will be something like that with like a serial number

(16:33):
so that you can go and look on the registry
and see when it was submitted and and like just
very basic details. I think that other side where it's
like we can do a full scan and tell you
what's in it, that's like a private option. That's not
what Golden is being from my understand But yeah, the
little sticker is supposed to be like the ID that
says this was done. You can go look at other.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Moods, you know, right, and I'm sure, I'm sure like
j J s A, it's it's similar to them. The
sticker will match to l O A. So you got
to have sort of both got to be correct. A
couple a couple of funny comments. I want to get
here after scanning cards, says the turner cards in the
variation Glowing in the Dark, Stuke says, you can carry

(17:14):
the Golden Scan around like new parents with with Ultra
sayand like you know, staying on the Superhero pack. Authentication
as a button took away from pack searching. Well, if
the pack authentication sort of already being done, like I
have packs that are you know, graded by P s
A or BCE, so that's that's already happening. Royals for

(17:38):
seventeen says they use it to make the more money
regardless of whether it's good for the hobby. Otherwise they
wouldn't waste the time and money for sure. For sure,
right and no doubt. Now you know, Rubin says, I
want to BBCE will incorporate this into what they do.
I mean, they have to look into it. It's especially

(17:58):
you know, I brought up things sample of the egg
on the face moment for them. I'm sure they don't
want to see that happen again. And it says, so
if Golden sees this is from Steven Sports in DC,
I Golden sees a triple logo card, they can pull
the box from the auction open and just sell the car.
I'm hoping that that's I kind of we talked about

(18:20):
that Lauren and Victor. That's what I hope doesn't happen, right.
I think this industrial company should just certify that, yeah,
this is what it is, without telling Golden or anyone
else for that matter, Hey we also saw this in there.
You know their job is just to say, hey, this

(18:41):
is a original box of the first series Pokemon Pokemon
ever and leave it at that, put their sticker lay.
There shouldn't be any kind of communication as to what's
contained within, right, And I hope that doesn't I hope
that doesn't happen. I'm assuming that's not how it's god

(19:02):
because at that point, just open like, don't even you know,
just open it. But again, they shouldn't do that if
they already know the one on one. That's that's the
integrity comes into play. So Mookie has a question. It says,
will Golden provide a full video recording of the scan
that would be useful and gender trust. That's a good point,

(19:24):
But does that if they do that, does that video
show what's inside the box ahead of time? So this
is where the dilemma is, right, And do we want
to just know that the product's legit, genuine and what
it's supposed to be, or do we want to take
it to that next level? I mean, if the boxes
doesn't have a bunch of great hits, it's obviously going

(19:45):
to affect what Golden will get in an auction, right,
If you know you're bidding on a box that has
a one on one triple logo, man, and you know
you're bidding on a box that doesn't the one that
you know has, it is going to bring more money.
It's just the way that the nature of the beat.
So I rather not know, or I don't think they

(20:07):
should know what's in there at that point. I think
it should just be certified that what it's supposed to
be it is and can you do that? If you
can do that in a video without giving away the
contents within, then I'm all for the But if the
video itself kind of lets the cat out of the
bag to what's hit wise in the box, then I'm

(20:30):
sort of not for that. So that's, you know, two
sides of the aisle there.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I just think if it's to verify a product that
is twenty years old as opposed to a product that
was just released last week, I mean, what are we
really why do we need that level of service?

Speaker 1 (20:46):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I mean? There should be some parameters behind what actually
gets scanned and what does it and Okay, so you
want to verify the box because you want to sit
on the box. That's great. Well what about the private
side stunt, that private scan that is only only because
you paid the up charge.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, that's what's going on now because Connecticut.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
On that side of things. And how is the hobby
Because I get a feeling that whatever if if the
box doesn't reveal any hits in the scan, it's gonna
go right to the secondary market. And how is that
healthy for the hobby? Somebody explain it to me, like
I'm a two year old, because I just we have
to see this. This is just we're opening the door

(21:32):
for shenanigans. And that's the last thing this hobby needs.
It's more shenanigans.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, uh, Orlando is Orlando is saying that you're to
see the heads, you'd have to scan an individual path. Again,
I don't know this. These technologies are getting even better,
so you know. So uh, Steven MD says the video
can be available after you purchase it. But even with

(21:59):
that one, Steven, So I buy the box, then I
get the scan and let's say, now I know what's
in it, and so I have a choice. If I
think there's something huge in here, I can rip open
the box, pull that one on one log I'll keep card,
pull the logoman and then resell that. Or I know
that there's not a crazy big hit in it, and
I just sell it knowing that to someone else and

(22:22):
kind of maybe get out of a potential loss situation
or not a big hit situation. So I think, like
Victor says, if we can just authenticate that what it
is being sold as is legit and authentic, that's all
that we really should need to know at that point.
Because if you know more than that, it's going to

(22:44):
what already's going on where you can pay this Connecticut
company seventy five dollars to scan your box and see
what cards they're in it before you even rip the
cellophane off. And so I've tried to I don't want
to see just the higher end version of that scenario.
And going back to something Victor said earlier, right, the

(23:04):
onus is on these card manufacturers too to make it
a little less counterfeitable or camper proof or under you know,
not to be able to see hits without opening the box.
Now it's easy for us in our desh chairs to say, hey,
you know fanatics, Hey Panini, hey upper Deck, Hey what
other card like? Fix this or make it tougher. What's

(23:27):
that going to do cost them more money? Right? They're
not looking to spend more money, They're looking to make it.
But I agree with Victor. I would love to see
the companies take some you know, accountability, responsibility and make
you know, it harder to tell what's in the box
without opening it, right. I mean, anyone who buys wax
or opens wax wants to feel assured that they got

(23:50):
as fair shot as anybody to pull the best cards
that that are in the product without feeling without feeling
like this has already been there's our any something funny
about this, and I'm probably not gonna get it so again,
you know, it's it's how it's shoes, right, It's it's
it's like any kind of power you wheel. Are you

(24:11):
using it for good intentions? Or is it used for
for bad? You know, back even in my store days, right, uh,
people would come in the store and they they tell me, yeah,
the other store down the road. I know they're weighing
packs or they're you know, back then you could tell
it was the third pack down had this insert car
and I come here because I know you don't do that, right,

(24:34):
So it's that integrity of what you're gonna do with
with the power you might know as once goes by
my house there, So all right, any any kind of
we want to kind of close this out, any kind
of lass uh, I don't.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Let's move on.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
All right, let's let's all right, let's go to our
next one. Victor, you brought this up. I know about
like that, you know Panini twenty twenty four QC issues
I put twenty twenty four. You know this ye is
before and it's not just twenty twenty four, but they've
they've become more let's say, prevalent, if you will, as

(25:13):
their licensing sort of comes down the final tracks here. Yeah,
this was something Victor propos you know, brought to the table.
So I'm gonna let them lead off and then I'll
weigh in. So go ahead.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, and I don't want to take total credit for it.
This this topic caught my attention from a video that
Neo Cards and Comics did, and he he referenced the
website Jim Rate and he was dissecting basically the QC
issues that are a parent with twenty twenty four product,

(25:47):
more particularly in football and the the WNBA side of
things as well. And the numbers. I guess when you
compare year over year, when you pair gem rate numbers,
you start to see a drastic dip in twenty twenty
four product. And I guess it's just more of a

(26:08):
PSA announcement to the hobby. You know, be careful me
As a bas rookie card collector. I have a stack
of Caitlin's ready to go in for grading, but I'm
being cautious now with all this new information coming out.
I'm I'm taking a closer, harder look at these cards
to see if they are worthy of getting graded. But

(26:29):
at the same time, if that's the case, I don't
know what's wrong with a nine. There's nothing wrong with
a nine. It's if it's for PC and that's that's
what I'm about. So as far as needing a ten
for resell value, that's that's not my wheelhouse, but for
some it may. And that's how come I bring it
up more as a PSA. You look at I guess

(26:51):
Jaden Daniels the base Prism. It's been graded just over
nine thousand times and it's got a thirty five percent
gen rate net Typically that's in the sixty percent range
for for that product, the silver has a twelve percent
gen rate, which is extremely low. As well, for the

(27:12):
Caitlin Clark a rookie card, it is at a ten
percent gen rate, which is extremely low.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
That is that's surprising me. That's one just think about that,
that's one out of every ten subbed.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
But it could be because of the new criteria that
PSA has.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Kind of That's what I was going to ask you
if maybe like it wasn't I mean, I'm sure there's
quality control, but if maybe the standards by the graters
might have shifted.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
A little bit.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
I was curious that maybe that might be a factor too.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, And I think because like what what kind of
confuses me is that we've known that typically when there
is like a print issue or a print defect, the
company will notify PSA say hey, this is kind of
the all of these and just be you know, and
p s A has typically been more lenient. All right,
that's a you know, you're bad and and we'll we'll

(28:06):
grade it as such. And but now I don't I
don't think that's happening anymore. And then what does that
say is it is an issue with Panini just like
this is our last year. We don't care. I guess
we can go down.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I was gonna ask you, Victor, do you think that's
a I mean, it's your opinion, right, we're all speculating
here when no one knows for certainty. But you think
that's a factor into some of these numbers that Panini
sort of mailing it in. It's like, you know, like, hey,
your job's laying you off in a month, Like, hey
we're closing in a month, and like what are your
employees gonna like give you? Like, hey, this is my

(28:41):
last month, I'm at work. I gotta I gotta get
another job. I gotta figure this out, Like you know
that's on your mind. You're not like, hey, I'm gonna
be the best employee for this last thirty days. Maybe
they've changed their mindio, you know, so yeah, it's a
it's a good I thought I wondered about that, like, hey,
we're gonna, We're gonna. But you know it's it's if

(29:03):
that's the case, it's a bad look. If you ever
want to get the license back, figure out you know,
that's how you how you do business right on that level.
So but listen, this is a twenty year deal that
Fanatics has, so Panini knows that, and they're like, they're earliest.
We'll probably see this again if we get it again
is twenty years, so you know, who cares. I hope

(29:24):
they're not thinking that, but we don't know. We can
only guess, right, Lauren, your your thoughts here on some
of this stuff. And you know there's a comment here that, uh,
it's up there for I think Allen said about you know,
he's buying tops heritage singles and and a lot of
them are off center. So this is not QC has

(29:45):
always been sort of a concern in the hobby. I've
opened current packs and pulled stuff and I'm like, that's horrible.
Look at that. You know, whether the corner that's daying
centering miscut uh. You know it occurs in an all
come these, but in this case we're using like Victor
pointing out data from uh grading uh and and low

(30:07):
numbers on tends to not co It's something we got
to talk about. So Lauren, well, let's say you well,
I think.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
That's that's interesting what Victor said about the because I
was wondering, like how can quantify it? And that's a
really interesting way to quantify it is the grading. That's
a really interesting way to look at it. There are
other variables, like we've already discussed, but I think that's
an interesting way to kind of like take a closer look.
I know we talked. I talked about on the show

(30:36):
probably when they had the NFL cards come out and
the Downtown cards were like barly AI, that's the quality
control I'm kind of more concerned about because it was
they were sloppy designs, you know, and that's something that
I know somebody said in the chat that like printing
is not really with Nimpanini's control, and the victor said,
you know, you can notify the grading companies. Hey, this

(30:58):
is a flaw that's across the board on all these cards.
Take that into account. But design wise, they do have
control over that. They have ultimate control over that and
decision making and you know, and that was the biggest
sign to me that I think I said this, So
I'm probably just being myself that Benini was in that
regard in that instance, going out with a whimper instead

(31:21):
of a bang with the NFL ice. You know that
that's gonna be the last thought that people have about
you know, NFL underprene is. You know, these wonky cities
and and and stadiums that like don't make sense. There's
this weird and act.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
You know.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
That's more of the quality control that I think. I
think hand in hand both of those things, the grading
and the and the design and maybe other things, but
the main thing is the design that you know concerned me.
I think those things all going hand in hand. It
does you know it it's a bump. I'll just say
that because I like Beanini. I love the products that
they put out, you know, I I don't know, I

(32:01):
just I would. And they have the w NBA license.
They seem to have a pretty firm hold on that
right now, so like, you know, if they want to
put all their eggs in that basket, that's great, but
like keep it consistent. I feel like Upper Deck, you know,
they lost the license, and it seems like with what
they had, they still made a really high quality product
like Marvel and things over the last you know, decade

(32:22):
or two decades. So I don't know, I think it's
I think it's interesting to look at both, you know,
the like the quantifiable way that like the quality control
is a concern, and then also like your gut instick
of like this doesn't look great. You should feel right,
this isn't like what I'm used to. So yeah, I think,
you know, I think it's worth discussing too because they
you know, I think we we need to support these companies,

(32:46):
which we know they're in it to make money and
like they're producing a product and we're the consumer. But like,
you know, the feedback loop seems to be a little
bit off in that there is so much coming back
at them, like some of it that may be legitimate
is not being heard. And yeah, I don't know. That's
where I'm going.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Is a couple a couple comments that are kind of
pertinent able and Vegas says, ultra modern collectors only want tens.
That is why folks are upset they're printing too much
manufacturers care of QC. Let me tell you something as
someone who's a bulk suburb for SGC, who subs cards
of his owns along with the others in the bulk

(33:26):
sub when I sell a modern card, I'm looking for
nine or ten. But that comment from Abel is generally
right on the most people. When I give people their
cards back and they get a nine, they're sort of disappointed,
and I get it right, You assume a twenty twenty
four twenty twenty five card should be a ten out
of the pack. Unfortunately we all know that's not always

(33:49):
the case. I kind of shoot for nines and up
at that point, obviously, if you're giving me a choice
between the nine or ten, you know what I'm I'm
going to say, point by Michael here, printing is outside
Panini control. So yeah, most people know the printing companies
they use or not on site.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
This is hold on a second. I have we use
outside vendors where I work in my industry, okay, yeah,
and if that outside vendor is giving us a product
that is not up to par, we're going to immediately
stop the presses and say time out here. I find
it really hard to believe that Panini doesn't have some
kind of a supervisor or some type of a manager

(34:30):
in that plant while things are being printed, and I
say they should. If they don't have control, they should
have eyeballs on the process to make sure that QC.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Is I agree back there. There should be sort of
someone that's you know, they're part of Panini's company, but
they're in in house, you know, maybe I have a
small office in there and just kind of responsible for
making sure everything is going okay and going well, like
you said, and if something isn't like, let's say shut

(35:02):
it down, let's fix this, let's get this right type thing.
What I ultimately like to see is companies that produce
cards do that in house. I know that's a financial
factor there. You got to buy all the equipment, I
got to even hire more people that you got to
put health insurance on. And I get the reason why

(35:24):
it's easier just to pay another company to print your product.
But like you said, Victor, it's a great point. You
have someone on site, an on site supervisor, to say, hey,
everything looks good here, this product's going to press. Everything's good,
you know. So I don't think it's an excuse. I

(35:44):
think it's used as an excuse. But like you said, Victor,
I don't think I don't think it's a good one.
File five ball Fouleball says, as a collector, I don't
care about GM rate. Yeah obviously if you don't, great,
but as a collector you should you should still whether
grading or not, you should still care about, you know,
quality control, what you know when you open a pack

(36:06):
or a box, or you buy even even if you
don't open about but if you're buying, especially something recent
or new, you know what shape that is.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
It's not nineteen eighty eight anymore. Computers and printers are
extremely sophisticated. Let's let's let somebody has to care, is
I think when it comes.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Down to, yeah, if you, as an individual don't care,
that's okay, that's that's great. As you you as an
individual collector, as an ecosystem, somebody has to care. And
there are a lot of us that do. So you know,
it's okay. As an individual collector you're not. You're kind
of indifferent to it, you don't care whatever. But as
a as a you know, living breathing ecosystem that feeds

(36:46):
off of a bunch of different, you know, actions and participants,
it does matter. It does, whether you like it or not.
It just it does.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, Michael says my opinion, Pani's left a lot of
money on the table, whereas w NBA, it's just fact.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
La Lauren talk to me here, what what do you
I honestly I don't know because I I haven't really
been paying much attention to like the like you know,
I'm I'm I'm a real big prism person. So that's
what I'm looking for. I've been asking about w for like, uh,
you know, every year, all year long. I don't really

(37:24):
other than that, I'm like, flawless is not something that
I personally like. I love watching people open it. I
love seeing what people get out of it. I don't
usually put my own money down.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
I don't want to. You don't want to sell your
house and.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Buy Yeah, that's like I love it. I think it
would be great. They should have it. But also because
I'm not personally consuming it, like directly, I haven't been
paying to it, I think they should, especially while the
iron's hot, you know, and we're back, like WM baby
is back and it's you know, dominating the new cycle.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
And we can make an argument Lauren and Victor that
the w n B A might be at its peak,
that it ever might be. We don't know the future,
we can't perditioner, but it is red hot. It's it's
sometimes the lead story on on Sports Center, like it's
it's a it's a huge deal. And so if you're

(38:18):
if that's gonna be your your baby now as Panini, right,
that's gonna once the license and fully changes hand. You
want to do the best you can with with your
your what's gonna be your flagship product.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Your flag best product and best licensed marriam.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Now they can still do it, like, I don't know
how long is their Like, dude, I don't know this.
So I'm asking you or anyone in chat, how long
is their license with the war. I'm assuming it's not
one year. It's gonna be yes, maybe maybe it's a
you know, but again, why not already? But maybe they're

(38:57):
gonna it's gonna happen. It's not if there might be
just a one question.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I've often had this thought that Ziggi brought up. But
I'm in Indiana. I live in and there is some
serious Indiana fever going on with the Indiana fever. But
I was shocked that we only had really five skews
for the WNBA this year, and I'm like, what a

(39:23):
missed opportunity. The only logical thing that I can think
of is that contractually that's all they were allowed to
print up, because this would have been a golden egg
for them to come out with twenty thirty different type
of products like they do with the NBA.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Right, Yeah, I don't know why. I mean, you know,
maybe they're figuring it out, like you said, like maybe
they had like established, you know, processes with the printing
and stuff, and you know, the demand is far exceeding
what they had planned for. But I will say they
they also seem to be kind of going all in
and on women's sports, and that I believe, which I

(40:03):
don't fall soccer a lot, but I believe soccer. They've
been trying to really kind of up that. And then Unrivaled,
which was the three on three league that they had
in the w NBA off season, which Kaitlin Clark was
not a part of, which I know is a big
drop for a lot of people, but for people who
you know, love players other than Kaitlin Clark and Asia
Wilson also wasn't there. They've alluded to a relationship between

(40:28):
Unrivaled and Panini. They have not as far as I know,
and I've been really trying to keep on topic because
I wanted to know immediately. They they haven't said like
what exactly it's gonna be, but they've they've alluded to
some kind of marriage between the two and so that
product will also be coming out to which whatever you know,
whatever brand product prisms or whatever. But it does seem

(40:49):
like they're gonna really kind of focus on that, which is,
you know, for Panini losing NFL and NBA and stuff,
that was a big hit and it seems like w
NBA and Kaitlyn Clark women's sports are going to Panini
uh in in the game, which is great and you know,
to circle back to the quality control issues. Hopefully that

(41:09):
that doesn't impact what they are you know, focused on now,
which is you know, the women's sports. You know, if
the AI and the you know, the the consistent issues
and the you know, the GEM rate you know going down,
if that's going to keep happening, that's gonna be disappointing.
But they have a great feature with women's sports and
if they want to go all in on it and

(41:30):
keep that momentum going.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
I agree, Lauren, they have the momentum. However, what concerns
me is the Players Association, right fanatics will show up
with a semi load of money, no.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Semi just take the words semi out. It's just a
load of money.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
And the union will fold and throw them right under
the bus.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
I will I will say the w M B P
A is very I feel like, you know, more outspoken,
and then the MVP A you know, just to kind
of compare, you know, apples to another type of apple.
I guess, I don't know. They're very outspoken about a
lot of different things, things they don't even have to
be outspoken about. So I think that they, like you said,

(42:15):
you know, money rolls up. Of course why not, why
wouldn't they take it? But I do think they're a
little bit more thoughtful in the their players and the
protection of their players. And I know it's unrivaled. The
players got you know, a percentage of ownership you know,
to some degree of the elite, and that makes a
huge difference. That gives them a say, that gives them troll,

(42:39):
It gives them a little bit more of a democracy
to say, what happens with my name, image and likeness
and this product? And are we taking money from people
that will then turn around and you know abuse us
and use us as you know some kind of like
circus hack or are they giving us this money because
they believe in what we do and they want to
treat us as a serious athlete. So I think, yeah,

(43:01):
I would like to think they would resist a fanatics
money dump, but you know, money talks, and if it does,
it does. But I think that they would. I think
they have a little bit more concern about, you know,
quality control and you know the the yeah, and just
just the experience also of the players and their products.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
A couple of comments here, Warren kind of echoes me,
you know what with being more vintage. I lost his
comment here, but Warren's basically says he doesn't do modern
any longer. He's more vantage. I'm like that, I do
open modern. Sometimes I don't want to, you know, be disingenuous.
Sometimes I'm even blessed and privileged to get to review

(43:44):
a product from a company and that sort of thing.
When I do that, I usually give away, although that
the hits and what I open, especially on the hockey side.
You know comment here from Orlando, very few printers can
produce the card. Yeah, there's only a few that are
are capable of, you know, answering that sort of workload.

(44:08):
So they sort of have them over the barrel. But
again Orlando, like Victor says, like have an on site
supervisor there overseeing that operation to make sure right you
have you already have people in charge of at but
just put one inside the plant itself, you will. I
don't think there's anything wrong with that. And if the

(44:29):
printing company is kind of resistant to that, maybe got
to look at them like, hey, you don't want one
person in there just making sure everything's going all right,
then maybe we shouldn't be using you.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
I'm sure they did.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
I just find it really hard to yep. Ziggy says.
I understand your point, Victor, but I understand Paninis and others.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
I did.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
While you were talking, I kind of wanted to try
to find out how long the contract would I can
get a definitive answer. I know they signed it in
twenty nineteen, so here we are twenty twenty five. Maybe
it's a ten year deal, without knowing we're six years in,
I can't remember. Yeah, I'm gonna guess again, don't quote me,

(45:12):
but maybe a ten year deal to twenty twenty nine.
You know, we're in the sixth year of the deal
because it was twenty nineteen, so maybe eight or ten years.
I don't think it's seven or nine. So if we
either had a couple more years or four more years left,
I know it's not twenty years, like fanatics did with

(45:33):
baseball and football and basketball. And to me, that's too
long of a contract to sign with anyone. I've went
off on a tangent many times already on that. I'm
not gonna do that again. A couple of comments about
the WNBA. It says ninety percent of Caitlin Clark's games
will be nationally televised. Comment from my friend Rubin was

(45:56):
that Aaron Rodgers text year during the show. Now we're
not friends and we probably won't be friends. I'm not
a huge Aaron Rodgers guy, but you listen, our quarterback
room in Pittsburgh so bad that that he sort of
looked at as the savior. That's how bad our quarterback
room is. Uh, let's see what else we get. Uh.

(46:17):
The owner of Bernini passed away recently. Uh, so you
know the company's in flux. I think it's in flux.
Besides the death, you're losing licensee. So a lot of
stuff is you probably died because of stress? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (46:33):
And one last one here, Indiana is a basic basketball mecca.
Fever and pacer not to mention college. That's a great segue.
It's sort of our next topic. If you will when
we talk about uh Indiana, but uh, you know Tyrese
Haliburton's hobby place right. Indiana's up to two oh now
in the series against the New York Knicks. Even though

(46:56):
I'm a New York City kid, I am not a
Knicks fan, so my feelings aren't really hurt. And you know,
if you watch the Knicks fans reactions during the Celtics series,
they already thought they ever going to the finals. They
kind of overlooked in the end, and I'm wondering if
the players are doing that. We thought we saw what
happened in Game one. You blow a nine point league

(47:18):
with under a minute left. That's never happened before in history.
But Tyrese Haliburton traded from the Kings to the Pacers.
Voted what most overrated player. I like him as a player.
I don't think he's the by any means or any stretch,
the best play in the NBA, but he's a good,

(47:38):
solid player. And we're seeing now what's going on here
in the series. I know, I'm assuming Victor is more
of an Indiana fan than a Knicks fan, so he's
probably not disappointed with what's going on there.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
And I actually live closer to Chicago, so I get
all the books.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
But with that said, I'm really with the televised broadcast
for NBA this year. I'm just it's very difficult to
find a game. I've been I've been able to see
very few of the the finals, and it's just like, man,
this is just outrageous they had. They're streaming it in

(48:18):
like three or four different places, and go figure. The
service that I use doesn't really have. They still like
one game a week, and it's like I'm missing all
of it. It's really irritating, but I get mostly bulls.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Yeah. Yeah, in the end is a good Listen. You
make the playoffs and you're in the conference finals, you're
a good team. I think the Knicks came in after
the Celtics series win and just thought they were gonna walk.
I think they viewed the Celtics as a better team
than the Pacers and said, well, we beat the Cuthics,
we should have no problem with the Pacers, and they were.

(48:54):
They were cashing their tickets to the n NBA Finals
without knowing you have to do work, you know, one
more job to get there. And so I think we're
we're seeing that that Game one was a travesty. I
was curious to see how they would react in game two,
how they will recover. You know, they they've had a

(49:15):
good first half and not a good second half again.
So but then again, with Halliburn, I like him. I
do sell some of his cards. There's a there's a
market form. You know, He's not to me, He's not
in the same space as you know, an SGA and
those type of guys. But he does play. He plays hard.

(49:36):
Let's the average about eighteen points a game, six or
seven rebounds, and obviously he's he's a crucial piece to
why they're in the conference finals. You know, I want
to go to Laura and hear your kind of thoughts
on on on all that.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Yeah, you know, Tyrese Haliburton, it's been an interesting journey.
I like the Pacers. I like Miles Kerner a lot.
He's a lego nerd and I just find that very endearing.
That is eight tall and just like huge plagow nerd.
And so I've you know, followed the Pacers from Afar,
you know, for a few years, and I knew that

(50:11):
they had a really solid team that was gonna be
you know, a problem. When they got Pascal Siakam last year,
that really changed things for them. That definitely took them
up a notch. So I'm not surprised that they're giving
uh the Nicks a run for their money and that
they're you know, they're in the position they're in right now.
I think that they're very covid team. They work together

(50:33):
really well, and they've been building towards this moment, and
sometimes that's what matters most is that it's your time
that all the stars are aligning.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
The reason I kind of wanted to look at the
NBA Playoffs through the lens of you know, Tyrese Haliburton
is he was voted the most overrated and you know,
people don't really pay attention to smaller market teams like
okay Se and and the Pacers, and as.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
A magic that might be the final lord right now.
That's yeah, looks like world beaters right now. I don't
know who's gonna stop them. Again. You got to play
the games, but right now they look like the team
to beat at least uh you know, to to the
naked eye, and they don't play the games on paper either.
But if like if I had the bet on who

(51:18):
wins that the whole thing, My money would go on.
Okayc today, you know tomorrow, maybe let's say something else.
But but it's a great point, right, it's too small
market teams. I'm sure the powers that be in the
brass in the NBA offices would love to see you know,
Nicks rather than Indiana. But they you know, if you

(51:39):
don't believe the NBA is rigged, you don't get to.
You don't get to. Maybe they rigged the draft lottery,
They're not gonna rig the games. And if you thought
they were rigging the games, and you saw what happened
in Game one of the Knicks in the end of game,
and then I don't know what a further evidence you
need that they're not riggings with a nine point lead
with a minute left in the big market team. So

(52:01):
I don't. I'm not one of those conspiracy the draft,
the draft lottery, you might have me thinking about it,
but not not the not the games itself.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
God, I see here's a conspiracy theory. Okay, Okay, See,
if you get two feet away from s. G. A,
you're gonna get called on a file. Okay, the guy's untouchable.
If your wind touches him foul.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Right hairline boom fo.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah's dad is annoying. He might be the most overrated dad.
I don't know unted player, but I.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Would argue Moran's dad is far more annoying.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
They should let his dad come to games if they
make the finals. That terrible otherwise, And yeah, I hope not.
I hope we don't see another episode like we saw
already with with that, it kind of takes away from
the play on the court. Michael Haham says, okay, see
all the way is shy the future, like he's I know,

(53:03):
people poke holes in his game, but he's he's a
good player. He played, you know. I I like, you
know they say the best availability or the best abilities availability,
you know, all these other guys taking off games and
load management. I like dudes who play night in and
night out and play well, you can say that about him.

(53:24):
You know. Victor makes a point where you gets some call.
It's kind of like Jordan rules. Maybe there's a little
bit of that. You know, we get the modern version
of that with you know, SGA rules and you know,
Mike Petty says, I'm all in and shame giveness Alexander
and buying every downtown I can find and throw it out.

(53:47):
I I actually, so, I have a box of basketball
that I don't always go through very often. So I said, man,
I better, I better go through there and see what's
in there. It's been a it's been a year or two,
and I went in there. I'm happy to say there was.
There was definitely some SGA rookies in their optics and Donner.
So it was a nice little fine when you forget

(54:07):
about I'm sure we've all done that, right, You forget
about a box and kind of go through it again,
and a player that wasn't what he was at the
time developed into a star. So I was fortunate. Yep. Yeah,
I didn't have any of those.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I didn't. I didn't pan out there. But uh, okay,
sees on abccret tonight the chance to see the NBA,
NBA mv SO and don't forget that. Yeah, uh, you know,
Orlando say they don't forget about our Florida guys. Uh.
Panthers looking to man as a New York Ranger fan,
the Panthers sticking my crawd. But listen, we didn't even

(54:45):
make the playoffs, so at this point it doesn't matter
to me. So uh and uh, speaking of grating, Stuke says,
I have a shy rooky in the mail coming back
from SGC got a ten. So there's uh so that'll
skew the numbers a little back back up there. But yeah,
I like him, you know, I you know, he's not

(55:07):
into the twenty points of game range. I think he
did have that one year. But listen, Indiana's not you know,
Indiana's not where they are now without him. You know,
you mentioned Lauren Pascal, soakam, you know another key Kagan.
That's a great team, right, I think that's more of

(55:29):
a team rather than sort of a one man kind
of lead the pace. Any kind of before we kind
of go to our last topic real quick, any last
words on this one.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Nope, let's let's move on, all right.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
So we know the National is going to be in
Chicago this year and then twenty twenty six in twenty
twenty seven, but they also announced that the dealers are
going to vote for the twenty twenty eight location and
it's going to be either Atlanta or Detroit, you know,
so it's it's gonna be new place. In twenty twenty eight.

(56:04):
Uh and both of these cities haven't hosted one in
a long time.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
I if you ask me, I kind of would vote Atlanta.
I you know, the South has Detroit sort of still
in that Midwest. I think the South hasn't had a
national in some years, So it doesn't really matter to me.
I don't have a vote, but I would pick Atlanta.
What do you guys think and do you have a preference?
Same thing with chat.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Room, lord and go ahead.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Yeah. I mean I think I know a lot of
people want things to be closer to the Mississippi or
even further west. Obviously that's not gonna happen with the
national need to like move past that. Atlanta's good because
it's it's a hub. I think it's you know, fairly
easy able to travel to Atlanta. Atlanta has you know
a lot of conference centers and there's you know a

(56:52):
lot of sports, there's a lot to do. I'm in Florida,
so it's you know, the flight's much shorter or drive.
Like Orlando said, I haven't been to Detroit period end
of sentence at all, so I don't know what the
scene is there. I'm just glad that Atlantic City is
not an option again, because I did not enjoy that one.

(57:13):
I hate to say it, but I that was that
was a little tough. And then uh, Cleveland was okay.
The parking situation was terrible. You know, they all have
their flaws. But you know, if we're not going to
be in Chicago, which you know is gonna be kind
of you know, the Sweetheart location when they're air doing
is working. I think it'd be interesting to have it
in Detroit or Atlanta. But I think, like you said,
Atlanta kind of moving towards the south a little more,

(57:37):
you know, that might be a little more accessible for
I don't like it in Chicago. I'd be okay with that.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
But Victor, how Victor, how far from I know you're
close to Chicago. Yeah, how far from Detroit are you?
Was that still drivable or no?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yeah, it's drivable. It's it's I'm about four or four
and a half hours away. But you know, everybody's gonna
like choose their like whatever suits them right.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
But it to me that's why I like Atlantic City.
I might be the only guy.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
You're not gonna lie. Yeah. A couple of things that
that come to my mind is I don't know if
if it's either or I think Atlanta and Detroit are
on the docket to be voted on, along with other locations. Also,
I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
I'm not sure the way I read it, it was
one of the two, but.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
One of the two, okay. And then ultimately, you know,
the the dealers are are obviously the ones that that
decide all of that, and I think that's why it's
not at the West Coast, because there's the dealers aren't
just gonna They're not gonna go that far out, you know,
to to do a show. But I don't know, let's

(58:50):
to me, I would prefer Detroit, uh over over the Atlanta.
That's kind of where I'm at with it.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
But yeah, I get it, you know what I mean,
I would do like I just said, I'd pick Atlantic
City or you know, Cleveland. Again, it's crazy. Cleveland's five
hours and five hours in Atlantic cities five hours and
fifteen minutes for me, So it's drive able Chicago, great venue,
not bag in the city or the venue or the show.

(59:19):
It's just I have to fly in. And Victor's been
nice enough to say, hey, I can mail them a
box of some swag that I don't have to bring
on a plane. That'll save me a little headache and
that sort of thing. But you know, and again I
saw the West Coast comment, right, Listen, that would cost
me a lot more money to make a West Coast trip.

(59:42):
But to be fair, right, I would put myself in
their place, right, I'm on the East coast. But what
if I lived in seeing all this, I would probably
be for the same way as Gordon does, Like, hey,
what about us, right, I got to keep going to Chicago.
I'll go all the way to the other coast, do it,
Atlantic City, Cleveland. I'd love to see it in in

(01:00:04):
the way, even though it costs me more money to
attend and all that fun stuff in in the in
the spirit of fairness, I think they should have West
Coast is is. You know, there's plenty of collectors and
hobbyists there too, uh and dealers, I'm sure, and uh,
you know, I'd love to see it, whether it be
you know, Oregon, Washington State, or California or even Arizona. Right,

(01:00:28):
I got a lot of options there. I think it's
easy for me to play armchaired, you know, national guy.
But I would love to see and and I'd love
to see it just move around the country so everyone
gets a chance to attend me. I know. But he's like,
you go out your back door, it's like going on
your deck and there's like a giant card show. I get.

(01:00:51):
And I don't blame I don't fought you for that.
I'm sure I would say the same. I don't have it.
Like the closest it is to me is that five hours.
So that being said, at that point, it's taking me
some time to get there, whether I drive or fly,
and it's still gonna be it's still gonna cost money,
So let's try to be fair about it. The thing
wasn't If there wasn't Syracuse, which is a pipe dream,

(01:01:14):
I would probably say, give me in Syracuse every year.
But we know that's not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
John. The real question is this what I want to know.
I want to know from the chat to the real
question is is it too early to be talking about
the National?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
But this year's are just the twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
No, this year's now, you know, I'm starting to see
content already for the National.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
We're under we're under triple digits and days to countdown.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
How many days, how many days?

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
You know, I'd have to look it up on my phone.
Let me look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
It's gonna be it's going to be a train of
content coming out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
And I'm like, it's not even more than sixty set.
We're sixty seven days away, all right. I think you
get to me. I don't start honestly, I don't start
thinking about it until it gets in doubled, you know,
ninety and less, and obviously every day is close. Well,
you know how contenttion is. We're guilty. I'm guilty of

(01:02:12):
it too. I'm not throwing it. Yeah, us, right, it's
the biggest. It's the super Bowl of the hobby, really, right.
We like when we we you know, it's a super
Bowl hobby. So when we're watching NFL, we're already talking
about who might the super Bowl matchup be in week
eight or nine of the season, right when you still
got eight weeks of regular season games in the playoffs

(01:02:33):
haven't started yet. I think we do that with the
National which is the super Bowl of the hobby too.
Mike Petty says, two seventy five days Uh to Detroit.
Uh so yeah, you know, Uh, he's his money's on
Detroit when he's he's more right. So yeah, I mean yeah,

(01:02:57):
you know, you know, kind listen, we're making plans. I'm
already like we have dates locked in, you know, we
know that what day to p s a regifree party.
Where So once those things start to be talked about
and locked in, I think we heck victim this, this
uh national is done. Right, the countdown is going to say,

(01:03:19):
three hundred and sixty four days to the next one
of people are going to be talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Right, It's exacting, it really is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Yeah, it is. I don't fault that. I don't you know,
I may not watch a lot of like too early,
you know, just because early, but and I try to
wait as much as I can before I start doing
my own content to it. But you know, like a
k in the candy store, right, you start, you get
into those double digits, you know, and around this time

(01:03:46):
you get under seventy five days. Sixty seven days is
you know two months and a week, right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
It'll come back, It'll it'll hit us, yeah quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Yeah, we're nine we're nine weeks away. That's in the
grand scheme of things when you think of the fifty
you know, two weeks a year where you know it's
not that far away, and yeah, so yeah we unfortunately,
what if you don't like to talk, you're gonna get
it whether we like it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Yeah, it just when everybody starts talking about it the
same thing, it just gets a little repetitive.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I think got it. And Steven Sports and D says,
my office is thirty minutes away from the National if
anyone wants to use his CT scanner. So there you go,
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So find out, buy your packs at buy your packs

(01:04:38):
or boxes at the National, and make an appointment with
Steven MD to see what you got in there without
without open so Abel says he wears a shirt on
Saturday that says pretty much broke. That's true because it's
usually by Saturday. I'm a late buyer. I kind of

(01:04:59):
like wait to my last day or two, and I
try to not be that guy. And I tend to
be that guy. Although last year I got my Tom
Siver rookie. I think it was Thursday or Friday, so
a little sooner than traditionally. So last year I did
a better job at getting a couple of cards earlier
than Saturday. For me, I am going to be there Sunday.

(01:05:22):
But when I fly anywhere, it's hard to get a
flight to Syracuse on a Sunday. So a lot of
times Saturday is my last day. So if I haven't
bought much by Saturday and time is going through the hour,
play ball Ball says he doesn't like grading and he
doesn't like the National. He says National is a waste
of money. I would rather you know what, though I
don't disagree. I don't want to say it's a waste

(01:05:44):
of money, but it is going to cost you money,
and so I'm not I don't want to put pool
this point. This is not this is a fair statement.
If I didn't go to the National, I could probably spend,
you know, be honest with you, four thousand more dollars
on a card or cards, right, because that's what depending
if I fly at hotel and rent a car and

(01:06:06):
it all starts to add up. So I don't I
get that. I get that, but it's listen. It's also
probably the funnest week in the hobby.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
It's like me saying, like, well, I have TV at home,
I'll watch the super Bowl from my living room. I
can and it's a great experience, but it's a different experience,
you know, like sometimes the National is the only time
we get to see our friends in person.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Dinner. You know, it's more than the cards. It's more
on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
For everybody. Annually we have it on our calendar. We're
all on the same page. You know, it's just a
different It's you know, some people skip Dallas shows or
don't go or whatever. You know, you go to your
local show and you know you have your different quadrants.
This when people fly in internationally from Hawaii, you know,
like there's all across the country. It's that's some times

(01:07:00):
where I get to see my friends the one time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Well and and fairness to Fileball. He just said this,
I have no friends, So if you went to the National,
you might Yeah, we should get it, like we should
get to go fund me and send Foulball National and
then everyone he might change it. You know, I don't
know if he's open to that, but I get that too, right,
I don't, you know, we're joking around, but I get it.

(01:07:26):
If you you know, not everyone has the discretionary income.
Then I wasn't even sure I was going until a
couple of months ago, Tish, So I get it, and
you know, you say, hey, if I listen, when I
wasn't sure I was going, I'm like, all right, I
can just buy some more cards. So I know exactly
where Fouleball's coming from with that. But like Laurence says,

(01:07:48):
it's more than just a card ship. It's going to
dinner with folks. It's going to a White Sox, a
Cubs game, it's hanging out after the show. If you're
a trade night person, you got one every night, you know.
I know, Victor goes, I go to the p s
a party and other there are other parties as well.
So it's it's that week. You Like, we've talked about

(01:08:09):
that weekly schedule h every year because it's usually that
last week in July and the front part of August.
You know, I tell my employer like, hey, I won't
be at summer school for these three or four days.
You know, plan plan for that. So we kind of
circled on the calendar and we look forward to it,
and uh, you know, we we try to go one week.

(01:08:31):
So if you don't, we'll miss you out. We'll think
about you for a little bit. Uh, and then we'll
enjoy the festiviies and I get it to each their
own right. There's no there's no wrong or right answer.
It's your opinion or what situation uh you're in? So
uh would that being said, we went a little overtime,
That's that's okay. Uh, any last words, I'll go Victor

(01:08:52):
gots anything coming out? You want to plug or that
sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Yeah, thanks for that, John. I will be having not
this weekend, but I'm hoping for next weekend. I will
be doing a video. I typically do videos on a
specific player and I'll i'll do like I'll filter the
fluff and kind of do like all of their true
Rookie cards and they're by far the most popular videos

(01:09:18):
on my channel. But I will be doing I got
one coming up. One video is in the queue, and
we're going to be looking at the true Rookie cards
of none other than Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
So stay she is she popular? Oh my goodness, I'm kidding.
I don't like I say that. Tell your Chicken is
probably something like John doesn't know if you don't know
my humor by now, I don't know what I'm tell you.
Lauren h how What's how about your last last final word?

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
No, I got to get back to stitch in my card.
It's been a while. I haven't written for anybody in
a hot minute. So happy to be back on Hobby
hotline so I can get back in this. But yeah,
so looking forward to to all the interviews that are
coming up and the Caitlin Clark. I love the true
rookie card conversation. So I love seeing you know, Victor

(01:10:13):
present the information and then hearing people bicker. But every
time I see somebody put a listing on eBay that
says rookie, I'm like, not by Victor standards, So maybe
you should look at this. I'm very judgmental now, I'm
very arrogant about it. So I'm looking forward to and
you know, heading into the national looking forward to seeing
what everybody you know, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Going to coin that the Victor flints or so uh.
Steven m d Is says, if you need to save money,
you can all stay in Victor's new basements and there
you go there, get some cats, get some air over.
It's not a trade night, a sleep overnight basement. He

(01:10:54):
didn't know to just now, but now you have sixty
seven days to get that base ready for all your
new roommates. You're gonna gonna have it, so all right, folks,
we will be back last week in May. There is
a Halby hotline next week and then starting in June
once again the first and third Saturday. So we thank everybody.

(01:11:17):
Sixty seven days from the nationals. Start counting it down
and we'll see you next week. Thanks everybody,