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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Well, good morning, and welcome to episode three hundred and
thirty three of Hobby Howline. I think Chris Carlin and
I have done the last thirty three together. Somehow, I
don't know how they keep doing this. But more importantly,
a welcome to a new host, John Mangeinie. What's going on? John?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Thanks for including me. Just enjoying a sunny Saturday morning,
South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It just proves you have no taste and we're glad
to have you. Chris, how are you doing, buddy.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, I'm doing great. I've been hitting some shows recently.
Was just at the West Coast Card Show in Ontario
last week, and then was out at the Long Beach
Expo yesterday and I did grab a couple of cool
things I'll show later in the show. But yeah, I
just love where we're at in the hobby, where you know,
there's no more. I think it's funny how quickly our
(01:24):
memories fade about COVID and not being able to do
card shows, and now it's almost like there's a renaissance
of card shows right now. It's a fun time in
the hobby.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
How was the West Coast Card Show?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
The West Coast Card Show is popping like they so
for those of you who don't know, they alternate between
Anaheim and Ontario. So Ontario is a little more inland
in California, and Anaheim is a little more towards the coast,
so it almost services two different customer bases. But all
the top people that I see at the National are
usually out at this show now, So the quality of
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product that you're seeing there is is almost on par
with the National in many ways, it's not as big,
but it's it's all the right people. So I'm really
really impressed with what the rob Veris and the Burbank
team has been able to do with that show so quickly.
It's it's it's very rare that you have a show
(02:23):
pick up like this, So for me, it was really
great to see so many hobby friends, and you know,
every row I'm going down, I'm stopping not only at
the quality of the product, but to say hello to
old friends. So I think that that is if you
can't get to the National, the West Coast Card Show
is a really, really, really good alternative.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Ruben's looking at your background, wants to know if that's
the Reggie Jackson Jersey from the Naked Gun movie.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
You know it is and it's it's no, it's not
the one, but it is signed and inscribed by Reggie
I must Kill the Queen, So I got I got
that through David Adams diated a signing with him. But
my boys love the Naked Gun movies. So that was
a Christmas gift to ourselves.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
That's awesome Adam of course, yep, saying John, you got
some sorting to do behind you.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well, I've been sorting, so that's why the mess. But
it's been almost never ending. I need to get to it.
I have too many cards.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
There's never such thing as too many cards. That's just
a mada. Gordon says. I fly from Hawaii for the
Anaheim Show. It's that good. Go Western US shows nice.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, And I see customers from Japan. I see customers
from England. And it's not just sports.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
You know, Pokemon is going through an incredible resurgence over
the last year in particular, and the quality of TCG
product there is great.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
But it's not just that.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
You know, there's there's Star Wars, there's Marvel, there's you know,
just so many different categories and every table you go
to is a niche of different items.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
So yeah, I agree. I think the quality is really
really solid.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Man, Jenny. You get to a lot of shows.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
I mean, I'll go to the National, I go to
we have a show here in Charleston once a quarter,
and I'll go when I'm when I'm traveling, I go
down to Tampa, hang out with some fellow YouTubers, go
to shows there into several. I just went to a
show up in northern Virginia. I happen to be there.
There happened to be a show, so I went. I
enjoy I enjoy that interaction in person. You know, it's
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quite different than just online.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I have a question I like to ask everybody, Chris,
if you're you're a little bit different because you actually
have to work some of these. But do you find
that you want to buy or you have to buy
something at a show for it to be worthwhile or
can you just go walk the floor and call it
a good show?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, I it's hard to you know, working at upper
Deck and have PSA, you see so many cool things
that you didn't really know we're out there. So it's
hard because you go down so many different rabbit holes
to hold your wallet in some aspects, but no, I.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Think I've got to get something in order to be
a success.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But it's hard when shows are really busy to even
walk the floor at PSA, it's it's wild.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
At upper deck.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Things were a little slower for bigger shows, where you
know you could get away and peel off. But usually
when I'm with PSA, I've got to either shop early
or shop late, which isn't a bad thing either because
shopping early you get the wide selection, and shopping late
you get the great deals. So I'm okay with that.
But now I think I've got to get something. It's
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that collector bug in me, or or trade something or
even sell something.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So how about you, John, Can you just hang out
in a show or do you got to come home
with something?
Speaker 5 (06:02):
I could hang out of the show. Unfortunately I always
come home with but I could just hang out.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
It's wild how that happens.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's funny. I think that a
lot of us that say we love shows. The truth
of it is we get in the building, even if
it's a ten dollars purchase. You know, sometimes you just
feel like I accomplish something. I don't know why we
have this, but you know it's a sense of accomplishment
that's totally silly.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well collecting.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Collecting is not a spectator sport, so you know you're
going to find something.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I love that. Still, some of some of our Midwest
dealers go to the West Coast shows and the West
Coast Show and Long Beach in the past, well, the
West Coast, the West Coast, the Midwest dealers are some
serious dealers, well represented at the national so that if
they're going out there, there's a cost of business for them.
(06:56):
So if they're going that, that says something fal Ball says.
I brought him a carload of cards from and way
to do it exactly, and John will come over and sort.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Them for you.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, all right, So we totally went off course already,
which is part part for my course. Uh, what I
do want to talk about, and not from a medical
perspective because we're not doctors here, but wemby Victor webbin
Yama blood clot on the shoulder out for the season.
I want to look at it more from the perspective
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of let's assume he's healthy and comes back, uh, and
and it goes the way, who do we compare this
to is this show he Tani missing the year? Is
this Mickey Mantle hurting his knee? You know, we're we're
in sports. Do we look to find, you know, such
a star player on the rise with with a decently
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serious medical condition.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, I don't think you're off on the show. Hey,
and Mickey Mantle might be a bit of a stretch,
but the show, I mean, Wemby is a freak.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
He's the type of player we've really haven't seen. And
and for me, I think this gives him time not
only to recuperate, but to get some rest as a
young player, and then you know, maybe bulk up a
little bit too. I think we can see a very
different Victor Webenyama come back to the NBA in all
the right ways, So, you know, for for us as collectors,
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to me, I think this presents an opportunity where there's
seasonality for for buying, there's seasonality for selling, and something
like this. While you don't want to ever root against
a player like that, his his values have been extremely
high and we all know there's no shortage of his
product in the market. So what I would expect is
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that you see a dip and the smart collectors are
usually buying on the dip, so that's what I would expect.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
See, Mike Petty loves talking Victor webbin Yama, and he
would like us to do a one hour special on it.
So maybe we'll save that for Petty for next time.
And how about a welcome here, Hey man Gie, there
you go.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Rubn's got an interesting comment about Wemby following the career
path of Greg Godin.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
You know, I.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Odin was was a guy who looked like he was
going to break down when he was at Ohio State. Yes,
and I don't think web Yama is like that. He
reminds me more of a Kevin Durant, who was, you know,
in the same rookie class as Greg Godin. So youthful,
fluid movements, athletic, smooth, and I don't think that's a
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fair comparison to Greg Goden.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I think he's going to be just fine.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
The Wemby injury. To me, Jr. Richard had an issue
in his second year, but was famous like Kinseko was
in eighty seven. Yes, if you remember back to JR.
He was popular, but nowhere near what Wenby's been there.
If you spend enough time in Ohio. That's that's funny.
(10:11):
Shout out to Manginie, mister Postin. Yeah, what's going on, Dylan?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
All right, so tonight and I wanted to tonight. Uh,
this is what happens when you don't have enough caffeine
in the morning. First of all, shout out to Rex
in the good guys at the Sports card shop. Uh,
Michigan and Indiana. Tops is rip night at local card
shops around the country. Please stop by, get some free packs,
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some swag, have fun. John Mangini for the hobby for
growth is getting people into local card shops and just
getting that experience crucial.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I think. So.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
I mean it's good to talk to dealers and fellow
collectors and get some sane advice on collect and I
think you know your dealers. That's a great place to
get that information rather than sifting through all the videos
on YouTube and you don't know what's good advice what's
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not good advice. I've always had wonderful experiences, you know,
talking cards at the card shop and learn a lot
from dealers and fellow collective.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Chris, can you go into some of the details of
what people can expect at a rip night and if
you go to their website. By the way, if you
google it, they'll give a list of stores. But you
know you're talking about athletes free packs. I mean what
does that do for the hobby from a pop culture,
from a mainstream bringing people in.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, when I was a twelve year old kid, my
local hobby shop had a monthly raffle, So all month
long you're buying stuff and I'd have two or three
raffle tickets and then some other guy would have fifty eight.
But no one missed that raffle. And there was a
real community aspect to it, and it was fun, was exciting,
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and you grind on people if they went too much,
and some of sometimes people are sharing things with people
who didn't win anything. And uh, that's really what makes
this hobby great. You know when when we come together
as individuals but share our passion for this this nerdy hobby,
I think it's awesome. And you know, for us at
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at p s A, we're we're all on board with
what TOPS is doing with these events because they do
create they create new collectors, they create lifelong collectors. When
you have these moments that will stay with you for
a lifetime because you met Michael Rubin or Kevin Durant
or Mike Trout, whoever it may be. And and when
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I was at Upper Deck, you know, when we did
athlete appearances, they drove huge, huge numbers for for sales,
not only for Upper Decks products, but for for the dealers.
And it's just a great community aspect. There's things that
we were tracking on it that that happened much later,
like the sales for that shop.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, they'd have a big day, but then they'd have.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
This long residual period of high sales too, because people
that wouldn't normally go to that shop now know about
that shop and they love the experience and they're coming
back and coming back. So I think it's wonderful. PSA
is at two of these events today. I just saw
a picture from Bleeker Sports Cards in New York and
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it is GM packed. And then we're going to be
at David Adams Superstore as well tonight. So I think
it's great. I think it's it's exactly what what TOPS
should be doing. It's it's no cheap date. It's a
lot to coordinate, not only the price support, but but athletes, athletes,
their schedule changes all the time, so being able to
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hunker them down and get them to go in front
of people, you know, after we're not that far out
of COVID. You know, athletes didn't want to do these
types of period appearances for a while. But I think
it's I think it's really really overwhelmingly positive for the
hobby and I'm glad it's happening.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Not to put you on the spot. Do you know
who's appearing at those stores?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I know Michael Rubins at I think he's gonna be
at David Adams. I think they have a couple other athletes,
but no, I don't have the full athlete lineup. I've
kind of been on the go.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, no, no, no, absolutely, and I know, like you said,
some of it changes around. John. I am one of
the people that has been, I guess waiting to see
what Fanatics is going to do, you know, kind of
letting the marketplay out and take, you know, for all
the licenses to finally switch over. Is this there, I mean,
is this a genuine attempt that we can say, you know,
(14:48):
Fanatics is doing something good because without their licenses, the
relationships with the athletes, Chris, everything you talked about coordinating
everything with the shops. I mean, I got to give
them credit on this one that I think. I think
it's like Chris said, it's fantastic for the hobby. I mean,
can we look at this as a win?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I mean, if they're going to be a monopoly, they
they need to do these things.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I think Chris upper Deck had a lot of exclusive
with athletes for years. What does it take to get
those exclusives from behind the scenes, I mean, how hard
do you have to work? How much competition is there,
you know? And then how protective are the athletes after
the fact.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, I think the agents like money.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
That's usually how things start, but I think it's important
to know the person you're going after. At upper Deck,
we were able to secure some deals by not only
you know, paying, but also you know, looking at what
the athlete cares about. And there were a number of
deals that we secured because we also tied in a
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charity aspect. We found out who their charity is and
lick to partner with them and that and and I
think that's really healthy that that manufacturers aren't just paying,
they're looking at other intangibles that they can offer. So
whether it be through supporting their their social platforms or whatever.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
It may be. It can't just be dollars.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Sometimes it is, but I think the more compelling deals
are are when there's, uh, there's other aspects tied into
the deal. But once that, once you have an an
athlete under contract, you know there's there's you want to
know who you're who you're getting into bed with a
little bit where where there's a number of opportunities for
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manufacturers to get to know these athletes early on and
and see if they're the type of person that can
sign a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
You know, being able to be a good signer is
is an important thing, and it even goes into the
quality of their autograph. And at Upper Deck we would
often work with athletes on their autograph. One in particular
I can remember was Alexei Lafrenier, who has been okay
in the NHL for the Rangers initially and then I
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think he was one, you know, at sixteen years old.
I signed him and we actually came up with this
awesome autograph for him where he literally spelled out almost
his whole name, and then you know, we worked with
him on here's what you give the eBay guys outside
the hotel just an al, you know. And I think
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that when you have that collaboration at an early age
before the athlete can get into some bad habits, I
think it's really a positive thing for him.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
TJ wants to know, Chris, what was it like securing
renewing Michael Jordan a upper Deck. I don't know how much.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You've always a little stressful, I would say, for sure,
But at upper Deck had a really interesting relationship with
MJ and they continue to have where most people may
not know this, but Michael Jordan's brother, Larry Jordan worked
for upper Deck for a number of years in a
sales capacity before moving on to the Charlotte Hornets, and
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LJ is a fantastic guy. Like he's a little shorter
than Michael, but just a genuine sweet man like I
think the world of Larry.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And I.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Think that when you again, when you sign a deal
with a company, that's one thing, but when you work
together and are are collaborative and and really become it
can become like a familial relationship. The ultimate goal, that's
what you want to get to, where exclusivity is one thing,
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but loyalty is another. Where you're you're loyal to the
brand you're working with, and Upper Deck's been able to
do a really good job of securing big names even
though they don't have a lot of licenses where you know,
they still have Michael Jordan Exclusive, they still have Tiger
Woods Exclusive, and a lot of that is tied to,
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you know, being there for the athletes, not only in
the good times but in the bad times too and
supporting them throughout well.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Professional transition into something that John and I were talking
about earlier, Caleb Williams getting a little creative. Now we've
seen a bunch of athletes starting to get creative on
some of their autographs, but not a lot of them
are going against their chief rival, John Mangini. You know,
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first of all, are you an autograph guy in general?
You know, vintage or modern? And second of all, what
do you think about somebody going after arrival on an autograph?
Does it make you want it more or less?
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I do have lots of autographs, It's not my main focus.
I'm mostly a card guy. It makes me want it less,
I don't know. You know, money can't buy you class.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Oh there you go. Hot take from a genius. Why
he's the president, Chris Carlin.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Not everything right autograph double autographic five.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I do have a really cool autograph. Well, I have
a Dwight Gooden. He signed it my rookie, which is
really cool. And I had a Sammy Coates he was
a wide receiver for the Steelers and he signed it.
I can't wait to catch passes from Ben Rossel's and
I had to have that one.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Whether he became something or not, it was just a
great signature.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
So absolutely when they do that kind of steers smile
while you talk about those inscriptions too, like it's.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
A lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
But I don't know, I'd keep the negativity out. He'll
end up playing for the Packers, you.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Know what, without a doubt, I think you're right. That's
how the work in the sports gods. Uh, without a doubt.
It will come back to that, or they're gonna meet
in the divisional champion you know, the conference championship, and
and it'll be it'll be a national store.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I would say one thing that people collectors probably don't
even realize about inscriptions is athlet tatum. And oftentimes when
you're negotiating with them, you have to pay them obviously
more for an inscription, and sometimes it's double the autograph price.
So for a manufacturer that's trying to put value into
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the product but also have it be you know, something
that you still have to have it value out where. Okay,
we're paying this guy. We were paying them fifty dollars
in an autograph and now we're paying them one hundred. You know,
we can't do these inscriptions everywhere. You don't want to
burn the athlete out on them. You want them to
still think it's having fun. But for manufacturers, you've got
to push the limits on what you're getting from those
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inscriptions because just the debut date on an autograph card
isn't or your first goal isn't as compelling as something
like that. You know, and it's controversial. It gets people talk,
it gets mainstream attention. You know, if this gets picked
up during an NFL game, do the exposure that that
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gets for our category and the hobby, it's it's huge.
So I don't think you want to be too negative,
but uh, I think this is fun in a in
a healthy sporting way. Uh maybe not so healthy, but
I think it's in any time that we're getting the
media talking about the hobby, I think it's a good thing,
and it's part of what fanatics is trying to do
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for ten xing the hobby. So, uh, I love inscriptions myself.
The better the odder, the better. I collect a lot
of Game of Thrones cards and there's some incredible inscriptions
for for some of those cards that are just fun.
You know, sometimes they're drawing pictures on them, and uh,
I think it adds a lot to the uniqueness. Like
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we love things that get people talking, and a lot
of my collection is about you know, I want whoever
comes over to my house to be able to to
see some things, whether it be on my phone from
the vaults or you know, seeing something in person that's
that's just cool and unique. And I think I think
cool inscriptions are are really awesome.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
So but yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Have mixed emotions on the publicity thing that you mentioned.
You know, the old adage in the old days of
pr people was I don't care what they say about
me as long as they talk about me.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
But on the other hand, lately, lately, most of the
national news we're getting is negative and people looking to
come into the hobby are seeing thefts, fakes, all kind
of craziness, you know, I don't know that that's necessarily
good for the hobby.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Well, no, it's not.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
And I think I think one of the things I
love about this show is we try to promote the
good things in the hobby. And there's plenty of negative
stuff out there, tons of negative stuff, But I don't
think that it's there's a lot more good people in
the hobby than.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
There are bad. I see that every day at p
s A.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Where you know, we're dealing with people who are really
engaged with the hobby. Yes, we have to deal with
you know, a counterfeitter here or you know, someone doing
something shady there, but there's a lot more good people
in the hobby than bad. So I like when we
talk about the positives, even though it's always interesting when
there's a robbery or theft or things like that.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
But I like to keep it, keep it, keep it classy.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Well absolutely, as far as work, it's sir, and I'm
just talking about what the national media focus is on.
You know, you see video footage of two or three
guys going into a card shop and loading up a
big bag and driving your car through the front door.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That kind of stuff. That's the kind of stuff to
hit the National News.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, yes, sadly and Rex, speaking to Chris's point and
John's point, inscriptions are always an extra cost way host
athletes signings in our shops. What do you guys think?
And John, I'm curious for you. I like athlete in
script when they're the baseball I'm a baseball fan. When
they're baseball related, if it's Hall of Fame, three time
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batting champ, you know, stuff that's related to their career
that I find super cool because you think of these
guys as humble, and they're not, you know, and they're
behind the closed doors, they're talking trash. I love seeing
that in the inscription, that they're confident in who they
are and that they know the numbers of their career.
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Does that make it a better inscription for you or
is that not affective.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
For me personally?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I think for most people it does.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
But you know, I'm a collector of era pe right,
I like mostly collecting cards of playing day. To me,
when I see those inscriptions, I know for a fact
that that was written, you know, long after their career
was over. And that's the way I've always viewed it,
you know, back when I collected in obscurity. I didn't
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see how popular those things were among other collectors. I
just know how I felt about them, and I never
wanted those inscriptions personal.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Somebody who was very happy in life. I just want
to give a shout out there.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Well, yea, I talked about earlier. There's a seasonality to things,
of course for collectors. Right now baseball could be perceived
a little slower, not so much with tops one just
hitting and yeah, it doesn't seem like people aren't buying that,
so I would I would challenge that a little bit.
You know, usually tops Baseball kicks off the start of
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baseball collecting season, but until they start playing that, you
know that that's when the excitement really really comes. So
I disagree with you. They're a bit bj SOL, but
basketball is slower. I think that with the game's top
young star going out, that's going to hurt the product.
(26:53):
But we'll see what happens with the playoffs. But I
do think basketball has not so much from a collecting standpoint.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
The values are all still there.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
We're still seeing a lot of basketball subs through PSA,
but it does seem like the the viewership is down,
and I wonder what that means long term to the game,
but more importantly to the hobby.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Chris, I have a question for you.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
I've I've been seeing a lot of people talking about
the m M w B M w n B A
being actually more popular than NBA today.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Are you seeing a lot more w n B A submations?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yes, And and I would also say, you know, from
a card show standpoint, you know it's it's there's a
lot more W n B A and showcases now. And
it's not just Caitlin Clark anymore. You know, there's there's
there's a variety from Angel Reese to Paige. There's there's
a lot more that's going on there. And I think
it's awesome. I remember I took a picture a year
(27:53):
and a half ago at a at a card show
where there was just one dealer that was doing W
n B A and and in strength. But they said,
sell me your sell me your w NBA cards. I'm
I'm you don't want them all take them? And uh
that's smart. You want to be zigging when other people
are zagging, you know, you want to get the nerve
on on certain things. Uh, But I I myself wanna
(28:17):
I want to grab a Caitlin Clark autograph. But they're
still they're expensive, you know, And I'm waiting for a
little dip. But I haven't seen a little dip. So
I sometimes things just start going up and they don't
really go down that much.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
So that's right the sometimes. But yeah, well you you
were talking about being ahead of the curve.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Let me share this story with you because you didn't
get to me for the Wemby question. So I wanted
the Cracked Ice, the red Cracked Ice Wemby. Yeah, I
saw it, uh, and I just fell in love with
that card. I thought it was a really beautiful card.
So I wanted one. So I was watching it for
a couple of weeks. So finally I made a guy
an offer on one, and uh he accepted right away,
(28:59):
which I found a little odd. But a couple hours
later I heard the news that he was out and
he had the blood clot.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
So you talk about a great timing. There you go,
I should do videos, I should sell my program on timing.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Yeah, and then I wanted to say that I fear
he to compare him to another player.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I fear he could be a rock O Baldelli.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Well, you know, or there's also what happened to Johnny Bench,
you know where he still had a very good career.
But you know, I don't want to speculate medically.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely not. It could go either way.
I'm in a blood clot to serious.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
To back up with both of you just said. Rex says,
three years ago, if you bet me, you know, WNBA
Prism hobby boxes would be double the price of NBA
Prism this year, I would have bet my life savings
against it. But here we are, so they're going for
double the price.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah. You know, things changing the hobby. I've seen it
over the years.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Stuff I collect that you couldn't give away now selling
for thousands of dollars all of a sudden, it's becoming popular.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Speed in the future.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
This isn't this is off topic, but things like type
one photos game tickets I've seen get way more popular lately,
old vintage game tickets.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You never know in the future.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
You know, one time nobody wanted a card that was
signed right, that was considered altered, and now yeah, it's true,
way up for them.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, especially on vintage autographs, like I'm always blown away
with it was what I was growing up. If you
had an athlete sign a key rookie card.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
You were you were an idiot, you were staring up
the card.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And and so there's not a lot of them out
there on key cards, and now with PSA authenticating cards
and autographs like it's it's I I am always blown
away by what people bring to us. And I often
ask people when they're submitting did you did you got
this yourself? And they're like yeah, and I go, did
you think that this was a good idea?
Speaker 4 (31:00):
They're like no, they told me it was a horrible idea.
You know. So it's it's it's wild. But it also
creates a scarcity for those those vintage Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
That's why I tell everybody you know, collect what you like,
because you never know.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Things change, trends change. I mean, who would have believed
that w n b A would be out selling the NBA.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
No, I don't think anybody.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I'm a big Angel Reees fan because she's from Baltimore,
so yeah, I love the shout out to her.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Can I give a shout out? I want to give
a shout out because Drew from Clean Cheap Shots.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Is on here and he's gotten to know former Baltimore
Orioles Pitcher Eddie Watt and he's done a series of
interviews with him and we just did a group one.
He has him on his channel, but I just did
one on my channel with him and Dan from Dan's
Vintage PC and the interview is phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Anybody wants to check it out. It was done as
a live it's in the live section. But he has
some great stories and it's a really entertaining.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I just want to say, and a pretty good picture.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah he had in nineteen sty nine.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Oh you know, we want to talk about the ending
of that year in Baltimore. I want to talk about
autographs a little bit more. Larry David autograph. Uh TJ
would want one, but not more than a thousand. Well, Chris,
did it go a little higher?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I haven't checked.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I haven't checked this morning, but yeah, there's one of
the ones out there and it's it's going for a lot,
but it's a redemption.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
These are redemptions.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
If they were live, I think it would be more compelling,
especially if you could see the quality of the autograph,
which it's weird. It looks like in the tops promotional
uh posts about this, it looks like a live autograph
on the card, so I'm not sure whether redemptions. Maybe
they thought they would be valuable, but I was I
was bidding on this like an idiot, because I love
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I love Larry David and Seinfeld in Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
I love comic autographs.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I know that there's not a lot of those out there,
but you can usually try to find some like Danny
McBride in Ellen and Ginter or sometimes Good with Champions
has some. But I was when I was looking for
this one, I saw a Larry David Prominent Cuts audograph
from Upper Deck, I think it was two thousand and
four number to four that was going for like six
hundred bucks, and there's a cool autograph, and I was like,
(33:18):
maybe I'm better off of that one. So I think
you've got to the hobby tends to glom onto certain things, right,
and and it's a real opportunity to spend more than
you need to, uh if if. Sometimes if you're patient
and wait a little while for the buzz to die
down on something like this, you can you can catch
(33:39):
a better deal. But obviously it makes sense what they're
that they brought him in because he was part of
that campaign where he played. He played George Steinbrenner for
for for the Tops commercial. So uh and again, anytime
you're bringing in someone mainstream or who's popular outside the
(34:00):
hobby to the hobby and is a signer you don't
normally see, I think that's an awesome thing.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
So I geek out about it.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
But I've got to I've got to pull back the
rain sometimes too, and remind myself that there's there's cheaper
options out there sometimes.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
TJ Onlin says, three thousand and four thousand, that's that's silly.
I don't know if that's accurate, but that's silly money.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Like how hot will will feral cards got in the
archives Baseball.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yes, you can't touch those for less than four to
five grand.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, that's maybe.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I just got the regular cards. I didn't go chase
in the auto.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
The one of one is at ten grand right now
ending on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
That's oh, it did sell.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
It sold on Thursday for ten grand, ten and one
hundred dollars and three cents.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
What an affluent society.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
You know, John and I have been say when people
ask me about the n f T craze that was
that was happening for a hot minute. I'd say NFTs
are God's way of telling us we have too much
money sometimes on stupid stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I'll sell you a picture of a picture. Don't worry.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
I'll give you a little insight into a big auction,
golden summer auction. My best friend has Willly Maze's World
Series ring and it's gonna be uh be auctioned off
in the spring summer, the summer auction.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
You'll be you should be seeing it all over the place.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Do they have an estimate on that yet?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
One point one milch.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
If your friend gets decides to pull up from the auction,
I'll give you my address this too, And I like that. Yeah,
if you're a Seinfeld fan, you'll get this. We need
a Keith Hernandez and Jerry Seinfeld duel atto but was
their second spinner.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
That would be a cool card right there.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
That's a great inscription. That would be a cool Seinfeld
inscriptions could be amazing. You know.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
There's so many entertainment products out there for so many
different TV shows, uh, and they don't make.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
A lot of them. So it's it's I I always
think it's cool.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I'm excited there's a cryptozoic is coming out with a
set for what we Do in the Shadows, again a
comedy sitcom, but.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I'm excited for it.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I saw some sketch cards at the West Coast Card
Show from from an artist that are that are going
to be in there, So I think that those those
niche sets are a lot of fun, but they can
also be quite valuable sometimes because they're they're not printed
at mass uh So a Seinfeld set that was something
I think that the hobby has kind of talked about
for for a long time. So many different guest stars
(36:42):
on that show and so many different incredible inscriptions you
can do. The product manager in my head starts getting
all excited thinking about that type of stuff.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
How about a George Steinbrenner cuttato with George.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Stans Absolutely, Oh my god, that would be That would
be huge, huge, That would cool. And Deck was in
I think it was in early two thousand. It was
called Pride in New York and there were two autographs
in there that that weren't of Yankee players. That sold
a John Goodman autograph where he was portraying the Babe,
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and one was was a Michael George Constance this.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Is real name j Space on his name, Jase Alexander was.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
In there too, So those two autographs, you know, they're
not of players, but they're a people needed him for
the set, and they were short printed to like fifty
But at the same time people people went crazy for those.
And I think it's good to have that type of
buzz and products.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I think it's good for the hobby anytime there's buzz,
even if it's not your niche. And that being said,
somebody needs to come out with a tremendous room set
for MASH. I just want to throw that out there
that MASH needs an updated set with some autographs. Best
show ever. But you know I was counting. I do
(38:06):
want to touch on a couple other things. I think
baseball is what makes the hobby go round. I think
no matter what the attendance or TV numbers are for
other sports, Baseball drive the hobby. So we have baseball seasons.
In spring training, the Japan Series is coming up, Chris,
(38:26):
I can't remember if you're going to that or not
you are, And so they named starting pitchers Yamamoto and
uh I Wigan the first one, and I think Sazaki
starting for the Dodgers in the second one. If I
have that correct, and I think it's a good I
think this is where the hobby buzz, all the clicks
(38:48):
on YouTube, all the Twitter and Instagram follower you know,
this is kind of the rush into the national I
think this is kind of where it takes off. John,
do you feel that way? Chris? Do you feel that way.
I'll let you guys take it.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
I love the fact that baseball is becoming so just
huge for.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
The hobby, for baseball itself.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, and seeing the international aspect of it is a
different world. My family was invited to go to the
we were offered tickets to go to the World Tour.
I think they were calling it Global something. Anyway, the
Korean Games in South Korea last year, and we were
(39:29):
kind of on the fence. We're like, you know what,
this is a once in a lifetime thing. We got
to do this and we had such a blast. We're
going to Japan this year and not only for me
to see I know that there's passion out there, but
for my wife and my kids to see the excitement.
And we went to a trading card shop in Korea
and we're sharing cards with people in the stands and
(39:52):
they're going nuts. And for it. It was the Dodgers
and Padres and there were so many people that flew
over from Japan for the game to see Otani's first
game with the Dodgers, and.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
It was wild.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
And you know, there was another aspect that was really cool.
They had printed tickets and I of course graded those tickets,
like you know, I was like, everybody, keep your tickets
in a good condition. But the tickets, I'm kicking myself
that I wasn't buying these outside after the game, but
I sold two of them and they sold sold each
sold for over five hundred dollars, which covered a lot
(40:27):
of our costs for going over there because it was
Yamamoto's first game and uh Otani's first game. So but
more than anything, I was just blown away by the
passion of the international audience and I can't wait to
see what it's like in Japan. But in Korea, every
player had their own song that with cheerleaders that the
(40:48):
crowd rocked out to every time they came up to
bad and which was.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
And uh it was.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
It was just a total wild, fun scene, you know,
a very it felt like the Olympics in some ways,
where everyone is just all together and just enjoying. You know,
it wasn't so much Padres versus Dodgers. It was a
celebration of baseball. So I think it's going to be really,
really special, and I.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Think it's a great.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
It's great that leagues are are looking at international, you know,
even with what the NHL did with the Four Nations
tournament instead of an All Star game, with getting the
highest ratings of a hockey an HL game in the
last thirty years, with Canada and USA this week, so
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all these things are are good for the game. The
leagues want it. They can see that there's opportunity to
grow the sports internationally, and I'm all for it.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Like, I think it's really special.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Like we've actually made it a family tradition of doing
baseball vacations now in other countries to start the season.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
So it's it's awesome, John. I'll get to your real quick.
I just want to read this from Baseball Hall of
Fame autographs. Went to Japan Series in twenty nineteen. It's
like going to a college football game, except how clean
everything was. Peanuts were so d shelled. I think it's fantastic, John,
you talked about growing the sport international and how great
(42:18):
that is. I think also vintage international players are starting
to get collected more. I don't know how much you
follow that, but you know foreign players, vintage foreign players,
I mean, the market is blowing up. If you do
searches and a lot more or do you have any
(42:42):
do you well?
Speaker 5 (42:43):
During COVID, I started collecting Japanese. I started to learn
about the Japanese League and all the old players, and
I see more and more people doing that, even if
it's just out Ohio. Will you take Hyan Bitthorne, the
first Puerto Rican player. People are looking for for guys
like that, So I.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Do see that. I do see that happening. Guys like me.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
I mean, we're into the history of the game, so
you know you want to have those players.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
In your collection.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
And you take Martine de Heigel, the only guy in
five Baseball.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Hall of Fames. Many people don't know of him, but
more and more people are learning about him and his prices,
You're going way up in value. Doesn't have many cards.
The ones he does have are rare.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I also think things like Minny Minoso getting into the
Hall of Fame, you know, and and certain things that
bring light on foreign players well before show he Tani.
I think people forget that there was international baseball before
show hey, and even before a Rava. Chris, you keep
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leading me into my next topics here. I do want
to touch on the Four Nations tournament. Upper Deck has
had hockey for a long time. The passion of hockey
collectors is unbelievable. The passion of hockey fans is unbelievable.
I think the game in Canada where they booth the
(44:10):
anthem and you had three fights in nine seconds, and
then the TV ratings off the charts. I mean, does
this have a rollover into the hobby absolutely?
Speaker 3 (44:21):
You know, when we look at Sidney Crosby's golden goal,
Crosby was beloved in Canada, but he could He doesn't
have to buy a drink there ever. Again after that,
you know, and what's really interesting is McDavid hasn't had
that opportunity. While he's had opportunities, but he hasn't hoisted
the Stanley Cup yet. And for him to have a
(44:41):
game winner in overtime in a contest like this, again
it's for all intensive purposes, it's just an exhibition game,
but for everyone who's watching, like everyone was so invested
in this series. It's incredible and it's absolutely it's absolutely.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Gonna affect his values.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Uh because in the States, we've got we've got so
many sports we have we're so rich in sports. We
even collect the w n B A, you know, like
it's everything, like we want it all now. But in
Canada it's it's hockey. It's yeah, they'll do basketball, a
little basketball, a little baseball, but they live and breathe hockey.
I think it would have been really bad for the
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hobby if if the US would have won, Canada would
have been really really crushed, Like if you're my my hobby.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Twitter was so fun that that.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
That week of the games because Canadians were so excited
for it, and then we're just over the moon that
that they were able to take it home. And uh yeah,
I think if you've got Connor McDavid cards you've been
sitting on waiting for him in the Cup, now's a
great time to sell him because he is beloved up
there right now.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
So Sean, you're not along here, I assume you you're
you're a big fan of what Four Nations did for
the hobby.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Absolutely, it wasn't it didn't have you know, it didn't
have the significance, but it was reminiscent of the nineteen
eighty Olympics. That was fantastic. You mentioned that it was
the highest ratings. I've been saying for a long time.
You know, the problem with hockey for here in America
is they never have it on television. They never have
(46:19):
it on television. You can watch NBA every night on TNT,
but hockey is so hard to find, and it didn't
It wasn't always that way, and so I think it's
lost a lot of its popularity in the States because
you don't have the visibility. You don't get to watch
it all the time, except for maybe your local teams.
But you know, I'm a Pittsburgh Penguins fan and I
moved to South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
So I got the NHL package one year and I'm like,
I'm gonna watch the Penguin game.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
They were blacked out every time because they were on
another channel that I didn't get, and so I had
to cancel it.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
I'm like, I'm paying I don't even get to watch
the games anyway.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
So having that in the limelight and on television where
everybody can watch it, it's phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I'm putting up a bunch of quotes is I mean,
the loyalty of hockey fans even our chat is crazy.
I can't keep up putting them up here.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
But yeah, I mean, it's it's a game that we
just don't get enough visibility on because there's so many
other sports and so many other things going on in
the States, and uh, for the NHL to put on
a tournament like that, that with the best athletes in
the world, because you don't always get that in international hockey,
(47:25):
and they're they're just selling out like they're going crazy,
like it was. It's what hockey is, and it's a
beautiful game. It's a fun game and it's easy to
get excited about that. My wife asked me if we
could watch the game, and she that that day, and
she's never done that in her life before. So again,
(47:45):
if you talk about ten xing things and our hobby,
I think that's a great place to start, is looking
international and and and having having athletes buy into what
you're putting the product you're putting out there, which they
clearly did for this turn.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Let me ask a silly question, and if either one
of you knows, please speak up, have they Has anybody
announced a card set and who would have the license?
Does that fall under the NHL license?
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (48:12):
So upper Deck has a set they put out on epacs.
So at upperdeck epac dot com you can purchase cards individually,
very similar to like a tops now model. I think
there's twelve different cards in the set. Unfortunately, you don't
see things like autograph or memorabilia cards from unoffering like that.
(48:35):
But I'm sure based on the success that this will
be an insert set and a variety of products. Unfortunately,
probably not till next year. It takes a long time
to get a release, likely this into a pack product unfortunately,
So I'm sure there'll be inclusion, but some of the
(48:55):
buzz may may have died down by then. However, you
know we're going into an Olympic year next year is well,
so it might actually hit at the right time.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Chris and I have talked about this several times. The
World Baseball Classic. Uh, Jennie, Uh, you're a fan. Same
effect on the Hobby, No effect on the Hobbyani.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
Facing Mike Trout bottom of the ninth. What better cinema, man,
It doesn't get any better than that?
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Yeah, does it bother me at all?
Speaker 5 (49:25):
But maybe better is if Otani would have come in
to relieve in the Game seven of the World Series
against Aaron Judge, which I was hoping would happened.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, that's great cinema.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Man, did you get a chance?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
And cops made the Cops Now card and I had
to have that immediately.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Did you get brought in?
Speaker 3 (49:44):
The troup brought in the autograph cards of him and Otani?
Speaker 4 (49:48):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (49:49):
That that we slapped at p s A, which is
so cool. So I love that. I love when athletes
become collectors themselves. Not to get off that topic, but uh,
I think that's great. But the w B see is
what's beautiful about sports.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
Again.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
These are all the players we know in love, but
it's fun to see them band together in different teams.
I think the Dominican Republic team is a lot of fun.
Like there's there's a lot of natural pride when it
comes to that and you see teams celebrating. You know,
again it's an exhibition, but they're not acting like it,
and that's when it gets really fun for fans.
Speaker 5 (50:24):
Yeah, I think it'll be you know, if baseball continues
its growth around the world, it would be nice to
see more teams that are very competitive, you know, right
now there's only a few.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
I mean I think similar to what the Dream Team
did for basketball, We're going to see that in every
sport where the world's just gonna catch up on talent. Yes,
I've put it up there several times. Thank you, Chris
msg carries for hockey teams, the Devils, the Rangers, the Islanders,
(50:56):
and the Sabers. That's a lot of hockey on one network.
I'm in Baltimore and we we we get just the
Caps here.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
You know, you have the greatest hockey bar in Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (51:06):
When I lived there, I used to go to and
I watched the playoffs with some Cap fans.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
I was about to say, is it a Penguins bar?
Is that why I haven't been there?
Speaker 5 (51:16):
No, no, no, it's a Caps bar. But it's a
lovely hockey.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Bar, I know. And it's it's the lighthouse right behind Safeway.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
We could talk all day about bars. But yeah, I
was taking there too about three years ago.
Speaker 4 (51:31):
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, it's a fun bar.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
That's awesome. Okay, real quick, just on the home stretch here, uh,
Protecting collections, ensuring collections. I harp on this all the time.
There's been a series of athlete robberies. Just want to
bring it, bring that general topic into the hobby. Guys,
if you if you have collections that are either sentimental
(51:58):
or actually or find actially valuable, vault them and shore them,
do whatever you gotta do to protect them.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
But but just.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Make sure that you're not You're not somebody who they
would go after.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah, I've seen it's it's been heartbreaking to see over
the last two months, in particular collectors I know in
Los Angeles who who literally lost everything and uh.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
Because of those fires.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Because of some of these collectors sharing their stories at
p s A, we've seen a real influx with the
amount of cards that people want to vault with us,
which I mean for us, it's it's a good problem.
We want to we we think that service is very
valuable and underutilized by many in the hobby.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
But I use it.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
My my wife kind of demands that I do. She
doesn't want me to have, you know, super high end
stuff here, and so I I think it's awesome that
that there are services like that. It's it's hard to
get over though, as a collector that you're going to
be looking at your cards digitally instead of having them
in your hands all the time. But if you've got
premium items that you really and some of the cards
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I vaulted aren't aren't super premium, but like you said,
they mean a lot to me, and I think you've
I think it's best to kind of keep things all
over the place. Not you know, you don't want to
have fifty different locations. But I have a safety deposit box,
I put things in the PSA vault. I've got things
around the house. I've got a couple of things at
my parents' house. So I think it's it's good to
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have things in multiple locations just in case the worst happens.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
John Mangini. Other than the security of where you're got
behind you, there any other precautions you take.
Speaker 5 (53:43):
Yeah, I have cards in multiple locations as well, and
I use a collector's insurance out of North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (53:50):
I find it to be the best because I have
over one hundred thousand cards, and if you go with
your homeowners, it's very expensive and you have to catalog
every single card, which I'm not doing, and collectors the
collector's insurance. I use you can kind of pick your
insurance price, and as long as you have photos, some
proof that you have cards, that's really all you need
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and it's very affordable.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Well let's bring this full circle. Orioles are on first
spring training game today. I could not be more excited.
Have you guys been able to watch Chris Heerpatras fan?
Have they had a game on TV yet?
Speaker 4 (54:28):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (54:29):
And my PC guy is Manny Machado. First pitch he
sees yesterday parks it over the wall in center fields.
It's hard being in the same division with the Dodgers,
but you know, this is such a fun time for
every baseball fan because you think you've got a chance
everything's gonna be okay. So but it's a long season,
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so it'll be a lot of fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Oh Presidente, who's your team and who do you root for?
Speaker 4 (54:56):
Well?
Speaker 2 (54:56):
I root for my Pittsburgh Pirates to be sold. That's
who I root.
Speaker 5 (55:01):
Because I think that guy's younger than me, so that
means they're never gonna win again in my lifetime.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
Uh wait, but you have another picture coming up behind
Paul's skins that's supposed to have an arm that.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yes, that's what the that's what they say. It'd be
hard to believe though, I mean, I.
Speaker 5 (55:18):
Mean you might have an arm as good as that
doesn't mean he's going to be as good of a picture.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
And true true to that. But uh, you know, good
luck and uh you know, as the as they said
and Thomas Crown, you know, as long as your interest
don't conflict with mine, you know, I wish you the
best of luck.
Speaker 5 (55:35):
You know, we have another young picture on that staff
that nobody talks about because of schemes.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
Jared Jones. He's a nice young too.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
I mean he could win to say young baseball drives
the hobby people believe it. It does absolutely well. Guys.
I'm gonna try to hit the right button and get
us out of here. Thank you so much. John Mangeni, congratulations,
Welcome to the crew. Chris Carlin. Always a pleasure, sir,
A true veteran in the hobby and appreciate the insight.
Speaker 4 (56:04):
Yeah, that was fun. Thanks guys, thanks for including.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
Me, and thanks to everybody in the chat. It is
the best chat ever. Yeah. Absolutely, Saturday Mornings Bench Clair Media,
UH and Hobby Hotline. It'll be posted during the week.
Take care,
Well, good morning, and welcome to episode three hundred and
thirty three of Hobby Howline. I think Chris Carlin and
I have done the last thirty three together. Somehow, I
don't know how they keep doing this. But more importantly,
a welcome to a new host, John Mangeinie. What's going on? John?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Thanks for including me. Just enjoying a sunny Saturday morning,
South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It just proves you have no taste and we're glad
to have you. Chris, how are you doing, buddy.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, I'm doing great. I've been hitting some shows recently.
Was just at the West Coast Card Show in Ontario
last week, and then was out at the Long Beach
Expo yesterday and I did grab a couple of cool
things I'll show later in the show. But yeah, I
just love where we're at in the hobby, where you know,
there's no more. I think it's funny how quickly our
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memories fade about COVID and not being able to do
card shows, and now it's almost like there's a renaissance
of card shows right now. It's a fun time in
the hobby.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
How was the West Coast Card Show?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
The West Coast Card Show is popping like they so
for those of you who don't know, they alternate between
Anaheim and Ontario. So Ontario is a little more inland
in California, and Anaheim is a little more towards the coast,
so it almost services two different customer bases. But all
the top people that I see at the National are
usually out at this show now, So the quality of
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product that you're seeing there is is almost on par
with the National in many ways, it's not as big,
but it's it's all the right people. So I'm really
really impressed with what the rob Veris and the Burbank
team has been able to do with that show so quickly.
It's it's it's very rare that you have a show
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pick up like this, So for me, it was really
great to see so many hobby friends, and you know,
every row I'm going down, I'm stopping not only at
the quality of the product, but to say hello to
old friends. So I think that that is if you
can't get to the National, the West Coast Card Show
is a really, really, really good alternative.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Ruben's looking at your background, wants to know if that's
the Reggie Jackson Jersey from the Naked Gun movie.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
You know it is and it's it's no, it's not
the one, but it is signed and inscribed by Reggie
I must Kill the Queen, So I got I got
that through David Adams diated a signing with him. But
my boys love the Naked Gun movies. So that was
a Christmas gift to ourselves.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
That's awesome Adam of course, yep, saying John, you got
some sorting to do behind you.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well, I've been sorting, so that's why the mess. But
it's been almost never ending. I need to get to it.
I have too many cards.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
There's never such thing as too many cards. That's just
a mada. Gordon says. I fly from Hawaii for the
Anaheim Show. It's that good. Go Western US shows nice.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, And I see customers from Japan. I see customers
from England. And it's not just sports.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
You know, Pokemon is going through an incredible resurgence over
the last year in particular, and the quality of TCG
product there is great.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
But it's not just that.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
You know, there's there's Star Wars, there's Marvel, there's you know,
just so many different categories and every table you go
to is a niche of different items.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
So yeah, I agree. I think the quality is really
really solid.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Man, Jenny. You get to a lot of shows.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
I mean, I'll go to the National, I go to
we have a show here in Charleston once a quarter,
and I'll go when I'm when I'm traveling, I go
down to Tampa, hang out with some fellow YouTubers, go
to shows there into several. I just went to a
show up in northern Virginia. I happen to be there.
There happened to be a show, so I went. I
enjoy I enjoy that interaction in person. You know, it's
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quite different than just online.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I have a question I like to ask everybody, Chris,
if you're you're a little bit different because you actually
have to work some of these. But do you find
that you want to buy or you have to buy
something at a show for it to be worthwhile or
can you just go walk the floor and call it
a good show?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, I it's hard to you know, working at upper
Deck and have PSA, you see so many cool things
that you didn't really know we're out there. So it's
hard because you go down so many different rabbit holes
to hold your wallet in some aspects, but no, I.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Think I've got to get something in order to be
a success.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But it's hard when shows are really busy to even
walk the floor at PSA, it's it's wild.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
At upper deck.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Things were a little slower for bigger shows, where you
know you could get away and peel off. But usually
when I'm with PSA, I've got to either shop early
or shop late, which isn't a bad thing either because
shopping early you get the wide selection, and shopping late
you get the great deals. So I'm okay with that.
But now I think I've got to get something. It's
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that collector bug in me, or or trade something or
even sell something.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So how about you, John, Can you just hang out
in a show or do you got to come home
with something?
Speaker 5 (06:02):
I could hang out of the show. Unfortunately I always
come home with but I could just hang out.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
It's wild how that happens.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's funny. I think that a
lot of us that say we love shows. The truth
of it is we get in the building, even if
it's a ten dollars purchase. You know, sometimes you just
feel like I accomplish something. I don't know why we
have this, but you know it's a sense of accomplishment
that's totally silly.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well collecting.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Collecting is not a spectator sport, so you know you're
going to find something.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I love that. Still, some of some of our Midwest
dealers go to the West Coast shows and the West
Coast Show and Long Beach in the past, well, the
West Coast, the West Coast, the Midwest dealers are some
serious dealers, well represented at the national so that if
they're going out there, there's a cost of business for them.
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So if they're going that, that says something fal Ball says.
I brought him a carload of cards from and way
to do it exactly, and John will come over and sort.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Them for you.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, all right, So we totally went off course already,
which is part part for my course. Uh, what I
do want to talk about, and not from a medical
perspective because we're not doctors here, but wemby Victor webbin
Yama blood clot on the shoulder out for the season.
I want to look at it more from the perspective
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of let's assume he's healthy and comes back, uh, and
and it goes the way, who do we compare this
to is this show he Tani missing the year? Is
this Mickey Mantle hurting his knee? You know, we're we're
in sports. Do we look to find, you know, such
a star player on the rise with with a decently
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serious medical condition.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, I don't think you're off on the show. Hey,
and Mickey Mantle might be a bit of a stretch,
but the show, I mean, Wemby is a freak.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
He's the type of player we've really haven't seen. And
and for me, I think this gives him time not
only to recuperate, but to get some rest as a
young player, and then you know, maybe bulk up a
little bit too. I think we can see a very
different Victor Webenyama come back to the NBA in all
the right ways, So, you know, for for us as collectors,
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to me, I think this presents an opportunity where there's
seasonality for for buying, there's seasonality for selling, and something
like this. While you don't want to ever root against
a player like that, his his values have been extremely
high and we all know there's no shortage of his
product in the market. So what I would expect is
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that you see a dip and the smart collectors are
usually buying on the dip, so that's what I would expect.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
See, Mike Petty loves talking Victor webbin Yama, and he
would like us to do a one hour special on it.
So maybe we'll save that for Petty for next time.
And how about a welcome here, Hey man Gie, there
you go.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Rubn's got an interesting comment about Wemby following the career
path of Greg Godin.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
You know, I.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Odin was was a guy who looked like he was
going to break down when he was at Ohio State. Yes,
and I don't think web Yama is like that. He
reminds me more of a Kevin Durant, who was, you know,
in the same rookie class as Greg Godin. So youthful,
fluid movements, athletic, smooth, and I don't think that's a
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fair comparison to Greg Goden.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I think he's going to be just fine.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
The Wemby injury. To me, Jr. Richard had an issue
in his second year, but was famous like Kinseko was
in eighty seven. Yes, if you remember back to JR.
He was popular, but nowhere near what Wenby's been there.
If you spend enough time in Ohio. That's that's funny.
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Shout out to Manginie, mister Postin. Yeah, what's going on, Dylan?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
All right, so tonight and I wanted to tonight. Uh,
this is what happens when you don't have enough caffeine
in the morning. First of all, shout out to Rex
in the good guys at the Sports card shop. Uh,
Michigan and Indiana. Tops is rip night at local card
shops around the country. Please stop by, get some free packs,
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some swag, have fun. John Mangini for the hobby for
growth is getting people into local card shops and just
getting that experience crucial.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I think. So.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
I mean it's good to talk to dealers and fellow
collectors and get some sane advice on collect and I
think you know your dealers. That's a great place to
get that information rather than sifting through all the videos
on YouTube and you don't know what's good advice what's
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not good advice. I've always had wonderful experiences, you know,
talking cards at the card shop and learn a lot
from dealers and fellow collective.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Chris, can you go into some of the details of
what people can expect at a rip night and if
you go to their website. By the way, if you
google it, they'll give a list of stores. But you
know you're talking about athletes free packs. I mean what
does that do for the hobby from a pop culture,
from a mainstream bringing people in.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, when I was a twelve year old kid, my
local hobby shop had a monthly raffle, So all month
long you're buying stuff and I'd have two or three
raffle tickets and then some other guy would have fifty eight.
But no one missed that raffle. And there was a
real community aspect to it, and it was fun, was exciting,
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and you grind on people if they went too much,
and some of sometimes people are sharing things with people
who didn't win anything. And uh, that's really what makes
this hobby great. You know when when we come together
as individuals but share our passion for this this nerdy hobby,
I think it's awesome. And you know, for us at
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at p s A, we're we're all on board with
what TOPS is doing with these events because they do
create they create new collectors, they create lifelong collectors. When
you have these moments that will stay with you for
a lifetime because you met Michael Rubin or Kevin Durant
or Mike Trout, whoever it may be. And and when
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I was at Upper Deck, you know, when we did
athlete appearances, they drove huge, huge numbers for for sales,
not only for Upper Decks products, but for for the dealers.
And it's just a great community aspect. There's things that
we were tracking on it that that happened much later,
like the sales for that shop.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, they'd have a big day, but then they'd have.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
This long residual period of high sales too, because people
that wouldn't normally go to that shop now know about
that shop and they love the experience and they're coming
back and coming back. So I think it's wonderful. PSA
is at two of these events today. I just saw
a picture from Bleeker Sports Cards in New York and
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it is GM packed. And then we're going to be
at David Adams Superstore as well tonight. So I think
it's great. I think it's it's exactly what what TOPS
should be doing. It's it's no cheap date. It's a
lot to coordinate, not only the price support, but but athletes, athletes,
their schedule changes all the time, so being able to
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hunker them down and get them to go in front
of people, you know, after we're not that far out
of COVID. You know, athletes didn't want to do these
types of period appearances for a while. But I think
it's I think it's really really overwhelmingly positive for the
hobby and I'm glad it's happening.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Not to put you on the spot. Do you know
who's appearing at those stores?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I know Michael Rubins at I think he's gonna be
at David Adams. I think they have a couple other athletes,
but no, I don't have the full athlete lineup. I've
kind of been on the go.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, no, no, no, absolutely, and I know, like you said,
some of it changes around. John. I am one of
the people that has been, I guess waiting to see
what Fanatics is going to do, you know, kind of
letting the marketplay out and take, you know, for all
the licenses to finally switch over. Is this there, I mean,
is this a genuine attempt that we can say, you know,
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Fanatics is doing something good because without their licenses, the
relationships with the athletes, Chris, everything you talked about coordinating
everything with the shops. I mean, I got to give
them credit on this one that I think. I think
it's like Chris said, it's fantastic for the hobby. I mean,
can we look at this as a win?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I mean, if they're going to be a monopoly, they
they need to do these things.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I think Chris upper Deck had a lot of exclusive
with athletes for years. What does it take to get
those exclusives from behind the scenes, I mean, how hard
do you have to work? How much competition is there,
you know? And then how protective are the athletes after
the fact.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, I think the agents like money.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
That's usually how things start, but I think it's important
to know the person you're going after. At upper Deck,
we were able to secure some deals by not only
you know, paying, but also you know, looking at what
the athlete cares about. And there were a number of
deals that we secured because we also tied in a
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charity aspect. We found out who their charity is and
lick to partner with them and that and and I
think that's really healthy that that manufacturers aren't just paying,
they're looking at other intangibles that they can offer. So
whether it be through supporting their their social platforms or whatever.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
It may be. It can't just be dollars.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Sometimes it is, but I think the more compelling deals
are are when there's, uh, there's other aspects tied into
the deal. But once that, once you have an an
athlete under contract, you know there's there's you want to
know who you're who you're getting into bed with a
little bit where where there's a number of opportunities for
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manufacturers to get to know these athletes early on and
and see if they're the type of person that can
sign a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
You know, being able to be a good signer is
is an important thing, and it even goes into the
quality of their autograph. And at Upper Deck we would
often work with athletes on their autograph. One in particular
I can remember was Alexei Lafrenier, who has been okay
in the NHL for the Rangers initially and then I
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think he was one, you know, at sixteen years old.
I signed him and we actually came up with this
awesome autograph for him where he literally spelled out almost
his whole name, and then you know, we worked with
him on here's what you give the eBay guys outside
the hotel just an al, you know. And I think
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that when you have that collaboration at an early age
before the athlete can get into some bad habits, I
think it's really a positive thing for him.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
TJ wants to know, Chris, what was it like securing
renewing Michael Jordan a upper Deck. I don't know how much.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You've always a little stressful, I would say, for sure,
But at upper Deck had a really interesting relationship with
MJ and they continue to have where most people may
not know this, but Michael Jordan's brother, Larry Jordan worked
for upper Deck for a number of years in a
sales capacity before moving on to the Charlotte Hornets, and
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LJ is a fantastic guy. Like he's a little shorter
than Michael, but just a genuine sweet man like I
think the world of Larry.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And I.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Think that when you again, when you sign a deal
with a company, that's one thing, but when you work
together and are are collaborative and and really become it
can become like a familial relationship. The ultimate goal, that's
what you want to get to, where exclusivity is one thing,
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but loyalty is another. Where you're you're loyal to the
brand you're working with, and Upper Deck's been able to
do a really good job of securing big names even
though they don't have a lot of licenses where you know,
they still have Michael Jordan Exclusive, they still have Tiger
Woods Exclusive, and a lot of that is tied to,
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you know, being there for the athletes, not only in
the good times but in the bad times too and
supporting them throughout well.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Professional transition into something that John and I were talking
about earlier, Caleb Williams getting a little creative. Now we've
seen a bunch of athletes starting to get creative on
some of their autographs, but not a lot of them
are going against their chief rival, John Mangini. You know,
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first of all, are you an autograph guy in general?
You know, vintage or modern? And second of all, what
do you think about somebody going after arrival on an autograph?
Does it make you want it more or less?
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I do have lots of autographs, It's not my main focus.
I'm mostly a card guy. It makes me want it less,
I don't know. You know, money can't buy you class.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Oh there you go. Hot take from a genius. Why
he's the president, Chris Carlin.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Not everything right autograph double autographic five.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I do have a really cool autograph. Well, I have
a Dwight Gooden. He signed it my rookie, which is
really cool. And I had a Sammy Coates he was
a wide receiver for the Steelers and he signed it.
I can't wait to catch passes from Ben Rossel's and
I had to have that one.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Whether he became something or not, it was just a
great signature.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
So absolutely when they do that kind of steers smile
while you talk about those inscriptions too, like it's.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
A lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
But I don't know, I'd keep the negativity out. He'll
end up playing for the Packers, you.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Know what, without a doubt, I think you're right. That's
how the work in the sports gods. Uh, without a doubt.
It will come back to that, or they're gonna meet
in the divisional champion you know, the conference championship, and
and it'll be it'll be a national store.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I would say one thing that people collectors probably don't
even realize about inscriptions is athlet tatum. And oftentimes when
you're negotiating with them, you have to pay them obviously
more for an inscription, and sometimes it's double the autograph price.
So for a manufacturer that's trying to put value into
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the product but also have it be you know, something
that you still have to have it value out where. Okay,
we're paying this guy. We were paying them fifty dollars
in an autograph and now we're paying them one hundred. You know,
we can't do these inscriptions everywhere. You don't want to
burn the athlete out on them. You want them to
still think it's having fun. But for manufacturers, you've got
to push the limits on what you're getting from those
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inscriptions because just the debut date on an autograph card
isn't or your first goal isn't as compelling as something
like that. You know, and it's controversial. It gets people talk,
it gets mainstream attention. You know, if this gets picked
up during an NFL game, do the exposure that that
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gets for our category and the hobby, it's it's huge.
So I don't think you want to be too negative,
but uh, I think this is fun in a in
a healthy sporting way. Uh maybe not so healthy, but
I think it's in any time that we're getting the
media talking about the hobby, I think it's a good thing,
and it's part of what fanatics is trying to do
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for ten xing the hobby. So, uh, I love inscriptions myself.
The better the odder, the better. I collect a lot
of Game of Thrones cards and there's some incredible inscriptions
for for some of those cards that are just fun.
You know, sometimes they're drawing pictures on them, and uh,
I think it adds a lot to the uniqueness. Like
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we love things that get people talking, and a lot
of my collection is about you know, I want whoever
comes over to my house to be able to to
see some things, whether it be on my phone from
the vaults or you know, seeing something in person that's
that's just cool and unique. And I think I think
cool inscriptions are are really awesome.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
So but yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Have mixed emotions on the publicity thing that you mentioned.
You know, the old adage in the old days of
pr people was I don't care what they say about
me as long as they talk about me.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
But on the other hand, lately, lately, most of the
national news we're getting is negative and people looking to
come into the hobby are seeing thefts, fakes, all kind
of craziness, you know, I don't know that that's necessarily
good for the hobby.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Well, no, it's not.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
And I think I think one of the things I
love about this show is we try to promote the
good things in the hobby. And there's plenty of negative
stuff out there, tons of negative stuff, But I don't
think that it's there's a lot more good people in
the hobby than.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
There are bad. I see that every day at p
s A.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Where you know, we're dealing with people who are really
engaged with the hobby. Yes, we have to deal with
you know, a counterfeitter here or you know, someone doing
something shady there, but there's a lot more good people
in the hobby than bad. So I like when we
talk about the positives, even though it's always interesting when
there's a robbery or theft or things like that.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
But I like to keep it, keep it, keep it classy.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Well absolutely, as far as work, it's sir, and I'm
just talking about what the national media focus is on.
You know, you see video footage of two or three
guys going into a card shop and loading up a
big bag and driving your car through the front door.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That kind of stuff. That's the kind of stuff to
hit the National News.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, yes, sadly and Rex, speaking to Chris's point and
John's point, inscriptions are always an extra cost way host
athletes signings in our shops. What do you guys think?
And John, I'm curious for you. I like athlete in
script when they're the baseball I'm a baseball fan. When
they're baseball related, if it's Hall of Fame, three time
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batting champ, you know, stuff that's related to their career
that I find super cool because you think of these
guys as humble, and they're not, you know, and they're
behind the closed doors, they're talking trash. I love seeing
that in the inscription, that they're confident in who they
are and that they know the numbers of their career.
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Does that make it a better inscription for you or
is that not affective.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
For me personally?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I think for most people it does.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
But you know, I'm a collector of era pe right,
I like mostly collecting cards of playing day. To me,
when I see those inscriptions, I know for a fact
that that was written, you know, long after their career
was over. And that's the way I've always viewed it,
you know, back when I collected in obscurity. I didn't
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see how popular those things were among other collectors. I
just know how I felt about them, and I never
wanted those inscriptions personal.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Somebody who was very happy in life. I just want
to give a shout out there.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Well, yea, I talked about earlier. There's a seasonality to things,
of course for collectors. Right now baseball could be perceived
a little slower, not so much with tops one just
hitting and yeah, it doesn't seem like people aren't buying that,
so I would I would challenge that a little bit.
You know, usually tops Baseball kicks off the start of
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baseball collecting season, but until they start playing that, you
know that that's when the excitement really really comes. So
I disagree with you. They're a bit bj SOL, but
basketball is slower. I think that with the game's top
young star going out, that's going to hurt the product.
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But we'll see what happens with the playoffs. But I
do think basketball has not so much from a collecting standpoint.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
The values are all still there.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
We're still seeing a lot of basketball subs through PSA,
but it does seem like the the viewership is down,
and I wonder what that means long term to the game,
but more importantly to the hobby.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Chris, I have a question for you.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
I've I've been seeing a lot of people talking about
the m M w B M w n B A
being actually more popular than NBA today.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Are you seeing a lot more w n B A submations?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yes, And and I would also say, you know, from
a card show standpoint, you know it's it's there's a
lot more W n B A and showcases now. And
it's not just Caitlin Clark anymore. You know, there's there's
there's a variety from Angel Reese to Paige. There's there's
a lot more that's going on there. And I think
it's awesome. I remember I took a picture a year
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and a half ago at a at a card show
where there was just one dealer that was doing W
n B A and and in strength. But they said,
sell me your sell me your w NBA cards. I'm
I'm you don't want them all take them? And uh
that's smart. You want to be zigging when other people
are zagging, you know, you want to get the nerve
on on certain things. Uh, But I I myself wanna
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I want to grab a Caitlin Clark autograph. But they're
still they're expensive, you know, And I'm waiting for a
little dip. But I haven't seen a little dip. So
I sometimes things just start going up and they don't
really go down that much.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
So that's right the sometimes. But yeah, well you you
were talking about being ahead of the curve.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Let me share this story with you because you didn't
get to me for the Wemby question. So I wanted
the Cracked Ice, the red Cracked Ice Wemby. Yeah, I
saw it, uh, and I just fell in love with
that card. I thought it was a really beautiful card.
So I wanted one. So I was watching it for
a couple of weeks. So finally I made a guy
an offer on one, and uh he accepted right away,
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which I found a little odd. But a couple hours
later I heard the news that he was out and
he had the blood clot.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
So you talk about a great timing. There you go,
I should do videos, I should sell my program on timing.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Yeah, and then I wanted to say that I fear
he to compare him to another player.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I fear he could be a rock O Baldelli.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Well, you know, or there's also what happened to Johnny Bench,
you know where he still had a very good career.
But you know, I don't want to speculate medically.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely not. It could go either way.
I'm in a blood clot to serious.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
To back up with both of you just said. Rex says,
three years ago, if you bet me, you know, WNBA
Prism hobby boxes would be double the price of NBA
Prism this year, I would have bet my life savings
against it. But here we are, so they're going for
double the price.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah. You know, things changing the hobby. I've seen it
over the years.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Stuff I collect that you couldn't give away now selling
for thousands of dollars all of a sudden, it's becoming popular.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Speed in the future.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
This isn't this is off topic, but things like type
one photos game tickets I've seen get way more popular lately,
old vintage game tickets.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You never know in the future.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
You know, one time nobody wanted a card that was
signed right, that was considered altered, and now yeah, it's true,
way up for them.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, especially on vintage autographs, like I'm always blown away
with it was what I was growing up. If you
had an athlete sign a key rookie card.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
You were you were an idiot, you were staring up
the card.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And and so there's not a lot of them out
there on key cards, and now with PSA authenticating cards
and autographs like it's it's I I am always blown
away by what people bring to us. And I often
ask people when they're submitting did you did you got
this yourself? And they're like yeah, and I go, did
you think that this was a good idea?
Speaker 4 (31:00):
They're like no, they told me it was a horrible idea.
You know. So it's it's it's wild. But it also
creates a scarcity for those those vintage Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
That's why I tell everybody you know, collect what you like,
because you never know.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Things change, trends change. I mean, who would have believed
that w n b A would be out selling the NBA.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
No, I don't think anybody.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I'm a big Angel Reees fan because she's from Baltimore,
so yeah, I love the shout out to her.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Can I give a shout out? I want to give
a shout out because Drew from Clean Cheap Shots.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Is on here and he's gotten to know former Baltimore
Orioles Pitcher Eddie Watt and he's done a series of
interviews with him and we just did a group one.
He has him on his channel, but I just did
one on my channel with him and Dan from Dan's
Vintage PC and the interview is phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Anybody wants to check it out. It was done as
a live it's in the live section. But he has
some great stories and it's a really entertaining.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I just want to say, and a pretty good picture.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah he had in nineteen sty nine.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Oh you know, we want to talk about the ending
of that year in Baltimore. I want to talk about
autographs a little bit more. Larry David autograph. Uh TJ
would want one, but not more than a thousand. Well, Chris,
did it go a little higher?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I haven't checked.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I haven't checked this morning, but yeah, there's one of
the ones out there and it's it's going for a lot,
but it's a redemption.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
These are redemptions.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
If they were live, I think it would be more compelling,
especially if you could see the quality of the autograph,
which it's weird. It looks like in the tops promotional
uh posts about this, it looks like a live autograph
on the card, so I'm not sure whether redemptions. Maybe
they thought they would be valuable, but I was I
was bidding on this like an idiot, because I love
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I love Larry David and Seinfeld in Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
I love comic autographs.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I know that there's not a lot of those out there,
but you can usually try to find some like Danny
McBride in Ellen and Ginter or sometimes Good with Champions
has some. But I was when I was looking for
this one, I saw a Larry David Prominent Cuts audograph
from Upper Deck, I think it was two thousand and
four number to four that was going for like six
hundred bucks, and there's a cool autograph, and I was like,
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maybe I'm better off of that one. So I think
you've got to the hobby tends to glom onto certain things, right,
and and it's a real opportunity to spend more than
you need to, uh if if. Sometimes if you're patient
and wait a little while for the buzz to die
down on something like this, you can you can catch
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a better deal. But obviously it makes sense what they're
that they brought him in because he was part of
that campaign where he played. He played George Steinbrenner for
for for the Tops commercial. So uh and again, anytime
you're bringing in someone mainstream or who's popular outside the
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hobby to the hobby and is a signer you don't
normally see, I think that's an awesome thing.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
So I geek out about it.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
But I've got to I've got to pull back the
rain sometimes too, and remind myself that there's there's cheaper
options out there sometimes.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
TJ Onlin says, three thousand and four thousand, that's that's silly.
I don't know if that's accurate, but that's silly money.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Like how hot will will feral cards got in the
archives Baseball.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yes, you can't touch those for less than four to
five grand.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, that's maybe.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I just got the regular cards. I didn't go chase
in the auto.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
The one of one is at ten grand right now
ending on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
That's oh, it did sell.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
It sold on Thursday for ten grand, ten and one
hundred dollars and three cents.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
What an affluent society.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
You know, John and I have been say when people
ask me about the n f T craze that was
that was happening for a hot minute. I'd say NFTs
are God's way of telling us we have too much
money sometimes on stupid stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I'll sell you a picture of a picture. Don't worry.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
I'll give you a little insight into a big auction,
golden summer auction. My best friend has Willly Maze's World
Series ring and it's gonna be uh be auctioned off
in the spring summer, the summer auction.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
You'll be you should be seeing it all over the place.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Do they have an estimate on that yet?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
One point one milch.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
If your friend gets decides to pull up from the auction,
I'll give you my address this too, And I like that. Yeah,
if you're a Seinfeld fan, you'll get this. We need
a Keith Hernandez and Jerry Seinfeld duel atto but was
their second spinner.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
That would be a cool card right there.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
That's a great inscription. That would be a cool Seinfeld
inscriptions could be amazing. You know.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
There's so many entertainment products out there for so many
different TV shows, uh, and they don't make.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
A lot of them. So it's it's I I always
think it's cool.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I'm excited there's a cryptozoic is coming out with a
set for what we Do in the Shadows, again a
comedy sitcom, but.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I'm excited for it.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I saw some sketch cards at the West Coast Card
Show from from an artist that are that are going
to be in there, So I think that those those
niche sets are a lot of fun, but they can
also be quite valuable sometimes because they're they're not printed
at mass uh So a Seinfeld set that was something
I think that the hobby has kind of talked about
for for a long time. So many different guest stars
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on that show and so many different incredible inscriptions you
can do. The product manager in my head starts getting
all excited thinking about that type of stuff.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
How about a George Steinbrenner cuttato with George.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Stans Absolutely, Oh my god, that would be That would
be huge, huge, That would cool. And Deck was in
I think it was in early two thousand. It was
called Pride in New York and there were two autographs
in there that that weren't of Yankee players. That sold
a John Goodman autograph where he was portraying the Babe,
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and one was was a Michael George Constance this.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Is real name j Space on his name, Jase Alexander was.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
In there too, So those two autographs, you know, they're
not of players, but they're a people needed him for
the set, and they were short printed to like fifty
But at the same time people people went crazy for those.
And I think it's good to have that type of
buzz and products.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I think it's good for the hobby anytime there's buzz,
even if it's not your niche. And that being said,
somebody needs to come out with a tremendous room set
for MASH. I just want to throw that out there
that MASH needs an updated set with some autographs. Best
show ever. But you know I was counting. I do
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want to touch on a couple other things. I think
baseball is what makes the hobby go round. I think
no matter what the attendance or TV numbers are for
other sports, Baseball drive the hobby. So we have baseball seasons.
In spring training, the Japan Series is coming up, Chris,
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I can't remember if you're going to that or not
you are, And so they named starting pitchers Yamamoto and
uh I Wigan the first one, and I think Sazaki
starting for the Dodgers in the second one. If I
have that correct, and I think it's a good I
think this is where the hobby buzz, all the clicks
(38:48):
on YouTube, all the Twitter and Instagram follower you know,
this is kind of the rush into the national I
think this is kind of where it takes off. John,
do you feel that way? Chris? Do you feel that way.
I'll let you guys take it.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
I love the fact that baseball is becoming so just
huge for.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
The hobby, for baseball itself.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, and seeing the international aspect of it is a
different world. My family was invited to go to the
we were offered tickets to go to the World Tour.
I think they were calling it Global something. Anyway, the
Korean Games in South Korea last year, and we were
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kind of on the fence. We're like, you know what,
this is a once in a lifetime thing. We got
to do this and we had such a blast. We're
going to Japan this year and not only for me
to see I know that there's passion out there, but
for my wife and my kids to see the excitement.
And we went to a trading card shop in Korea
and we're sharing cards with people in the stands and
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they're going nuts. And for it. It was the Dodgers
and Padres and there were so many people that flew
over from Japan for the game to see Otani's first
game with the Dodgers, and.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
It was wild.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
And you know, there was another aspect that was really cool.
They had printed tickets and I of course graded those tickets,
like you know, I was like, everybody, keep your tickets
in a good condition. But the tickets, I'm kicking myself
that I wasn't buying these outside after the game, but
I sold two of them and they sold sold each
sold for over five hundred dollars, which covered a lot
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of our costs for going over there because it was
Yamamoto's first game and uh Otani's first game. So but
more than anything, I was just blown away by the
passion of the international audience and I can't wait to
see what it's like in Japan. But in Korea, every
player had their own song that with cheerleaders that the
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crowd rocked out to every time they came up to
bad and which was.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
And uh it was.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
It was just a total wild, fun scene, you know,
a very it felt like the Olympics in some ways,
where everyone is just all together and just enjoying. You know,
it wasn't so much Padres versus Dodgers. It was a
celebration of baseball. So I think it's going to be really,
really special, and I.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Think it's a great.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
It's great that leagues are are looking at international, you know,
even with what the NHL did with the Four Nations
tournament instead of an All Star game, with getting the
highest ratings of a hockey an HL game in the
last thirty years, with Canada and USA this week, so
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all these things are are good for the game. The
leagues want it. They can see that there's opportunity to
grow the sports internationally, and I'm all for it.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Like, I think it's really special.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Like we've actually made it a family tradition of doing
baseball vacations now in other countries to start the season.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
So it's it's awesome, John. I'll get to your real quick.
I just want to read this from Baseball Hall of
Fame autographs. Went to Japan Series in twenty nineteen. It's
like going to a college football game, except how clean
everything was. Peanuts were so d shelled. I think it's fantastic, John,
you talked about growing the sport international and how great
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that is. I think also vintage international players are starting
to get collected more. I don't know how much you
follow that, but you know foreign players, vintage foreign players,
I mean, the market is blowing up. If you do
searches and a lot more or do you have any
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do you well?
Speaker 5 (42:43):
During COVID, I started collecting Japanese. I started to learn
about the Japanese League and all the old players, and
I see more and more people doing that, even if
it's just out Ohio. Will you take Hyan Bitthorne, the
first Puerto Rican player. People are looking for for guys
like that, So I.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Do see that. I do see that happening. Guys like me.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
I mean, we're into the history of the game, so
you know you want to have those players.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
In your collection.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
And you take Martine de Heigel, the only guy in
five Baseball.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Hall of Fames. Many people don't know of him, but
more and more people are learning about him and his prices,
You're going way up in value. Doesn't have many cards.
The ones he does have are rare.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I also think things like Minny Minoso getting into the
Hall of Fame, you know, and and certain things that
bring light on foreign players well before show he Tani.
I think people forget that there was international baseball before
show hey, and even before a Rava. Chris, you keep
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leading me into my next topics here. I do want
to touch on the Four Nations tournament. Upper Deck has
had hockey for a long time. The passion of hockey
collectors is unbelievable. The passion of hockey fans is unbelievable.
I think the game in Canada where they booth the
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anthem and you had three fights in nine seconds, and
then the TV ratings off the charts. I mean, does
this have a rollover into the hobby absolutely?
Speaker 3 (44:21):
You know, when we look at Sidney Crosby's golden goal,
Crosby was beloved in Canada, but he could He doesn't
have to buy a drink there ever. Again after that,
you know, and what's really interesting is McDavid hasn't had
that opportunity. While he's had opportunities, but he hasn't hoisted
the Stanley Cup yet. And for him to have a
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game winner in overtime in a contest like this, again
it's for all intensive purposes, it's just an exhibition game,
but for everyone who's watching, like everyone was so invested
in this series. It's incredible and it's absolutely it's absolutely.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Gonna affect his values.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Uh because in the States, we've got we've got so
many sports we have we're so rich in sports. We
even collect the w n B A, you know, like
it's everything, like we want it all now. But in
Canada it's it's hockey. It's yeah, they'll do basketball, a
little basketball, a little baseball, but they live and breathe hockey.
I think it would have been really bad for the
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hobby if if the US would have won, Canada would
have been really really crushed, Like if you're my my hobby.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Twitter was so fun that that.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
That week of the games because Canadians were so excited
for it, and then we're just over the moon that
that they were able to take it home. And uh yeah,
I think if you've got Connor McDavid cards you've been
sitting on waiting for him in the Cup, now's a
great time to sell him because he is beloved up
there right now.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
So Sean, you're not along here, I assume you you're
you're a big fan of what Four Nations did for
the hobby.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Absolutely, it wasn't it didn't have you know, it didn't
have the significance, but it was reminiscent of the nineteen
eighty Olympics. That was fantastic. You mentioned that it was
the highest ratings. I've been saying for a long time.
You know, the problem with hockey for here in America
is they never have it on television. They never have
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it on television. You can watch NBA every night on TNT,
but hockey is so hard to find, and it didn't
It wasn't always that way, and so I think it's
lost a lot of its popularity in the States because
you don't have the visibility. You don't get to watch
it all the time, except for maybe your local teams.
But you know, I'm a Pittsburgh Penguins fan and I
moved to South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
So I got the NHL package one year and I'm like,
I'm gonna watch the Penguin game.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
They were blacked out every time because they were on
another channel that I didn't get, and so I had
to cancel it.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
I'm like, I'm paying I don't even get to watch
the games anyway.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
So having that in the limelight and on television where
everybody can watch it, it's phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I'm putting up a bunch of quotes is I mean,
the loyalty of hockey fans even our chat is crazy.
I can't keep up putting them up here.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
But yeah, I mean, it's it's a game that we
just don't get enough visibility on because there's so many
other sports and so many other things going on in
the States, and uh, for the NHL to put on
a tournament like that, that with the best athletes in
the world, because you don't always get that in international hockey,
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and they're they're just selling out like they're going crazy,
like it was. It's what hockey is, and it's a
beautiful game. It's a fun game and it's easy to
get excited about that. My wife asked me if we
could watch the game, and she that that day, and
she's never done that in her life before. So again,
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if you talk about ten xing things and our hobby,
I think that's a great place to start, is looking
international and and and having having athletes buy into what
you're putting the product you're putting out there, which they
clearly did for this turn.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Let me ask a silly question, and if either one
of you knows, please speak up, have they Has anybody
announced a card set and who would have the license?
Does that fall under the NHL license?
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (48:12):
So upper Deck has a set they put out on epacs.
So at upperdeck epac dot com you can purchase cards individually,
very similar to like a tops now model. I think
there's twelve different cards in the set. Unfortunately, you don't
see things like autograph or memorabilia cards from unoffering like that.
(48:35):
But I'm sure based on the success that this will
be an insert set and a variety of products. Unfortunately,
probably not till next year. It takes a long time
to get a release, likely this into a pack product unfortunately,
So I'm sure there'll be inclusion, but some of the
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buzz may may have died down by then. However, you
know we're going into an Olympic year next year is well,
so it might actually hit at the right time.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Chris and I have talked about this several times. The
World Baseball Classic. Uh, Jennie, Uh, you're a fan. Same
effect on the Hobby, No effect on the Hobbyani.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
Facing Mike Trout bottom of the ninth. What better cinema, man,
It doesn't get any better than that?
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Yeah, does it bother me at all?
Speaker 5 (49:25):
But maybe better is if Otani would have come in
to relieve in the Game seven of the World Series
against Aaron Judge, which I was hoping would happened.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, that's great cinema.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Man, did you get a chance?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
And cops made the Cops Now card and I had
to have that immediately.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Did you get brought in?
Speaker 3 (49:44):
The troup brought in the autograph cards of him and Otani?
Speaker 4 (49:48):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (49:49):
That that we slapped at p s A, which is
so cool. So I love that. I love when athletes
become collectors themselves. Not to get off that topic, but uh,
I think that's great. But the w B see is
what's beautiful about sports.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
Again.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
These are all the players we know in love, but
it's fun to see them band together in different teams.
I think the Dominican Republic team is a lot of fun.
Like there's there's a lot of natural pride when it
comes to that and you see teams celebrating. You know,
again it's an exhibition, but they're not acting like it,
and that's when it gets really fun for fans.
Speaker 5 (50:24):
Yeah, I think it'll be you know, if baseball continues
its growth around the world, it would be nice to
see more teams that are very competitive, you know, right
now there's only a few.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
I mean I think similar to what the Dream Team
did for basketball, We're going to see that in every
sport where the world's just gonna catch up on talent. Yes,
I've put it up there several times. Thank you, Chris
msg carries for hockey teams, the Devils, the Rangers, the Islanders,
(50:56):
and the Sabers. That's a lot of hockey on one network.
I'm in Baltimore and we we we get just the
Caps here.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
You know, you have the greatest hockey bar in Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (51:06):
When I lived there, I used to go to and
I watched the playoffs with some Cap fans.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
I was about to say, is it a Penguins bar?
Is that why I haven't been there?
Speaker 5 (51:16):
No, no, no, it's a Caps bar. But it's a
lovely hockey.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Bar, I know. And it's it's the lighthouse right behind Safeway.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
We could talk all day about bars. But yeah, I
was taking there too about three years ago.
Speaker 4 (51:31):
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, it's a fun bar.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
That's awesome. Okay, real quick, just on the home stretch here, uh,
Protecting collections, ensuring collections. I harp on this all the time.
There's been a series of athlete robberies. Just want to
bring it, bring that general topic into the hobby. Guys,
if you if you have collections that are either sentimental
(51:58):
or actually or find actially valuable, vault them and shore them,
do whatever you gotta do to protect them.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
But but just.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Make sure that you're not You're not somebody who they
would go after.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah, I've seen it's it's been heartbreaking to see over
the last two months, in particular collectors I know in
Los Angeles who who literally lost everything and uh.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
Because of those fires.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Because of some of these collectors sharing their stories at
p s A, we've seen a real influx with the
amount of cards that people want to vault with us,
which I mean for us, it's it's a good problem.
We want to we we think that service is very
valuable and underutilized by many in the hobby.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
But I use it.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
My my wife kind of demands that I do. She
doesn't want me to have, you know, super high end
stuff here, and so I I think it's awesome that
that there are services like that. It's it's hard to
get over though, as a collector that you're going to
be looking at your cards digitally instead of having them
in your hands all the time. But if you've got
premium items that you really and some of the cards
(53:08):
I vaulted aren't aren't super premium, but like you said,
they mean a lot to me, and I think you've
I think it's best to kind of keep things all
over the place. Not you know, you don't want to
have fifty different locations. But I have a safety deposit box,
I put things in the PSA vault. I've got things
around the house. I've got a couple of things at
my parents' house. So I think it's it's good to
(53:28):
have things in multiple locations just in case the worst happens.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
John Mangini. Other than the security of where you're got
behind you, there any other precautions you take.
Speaker 5 (53:43):
Yeah, I have cards in multiple locations as well, and
I use a collector's insurance out of North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (53:50):
I find it to be the best because I have
over one hundred thousand cards, and if you go with
your homeowners, it's very expensive and you have to catalog
every single card, which I'm not doing, and collectors the
collector's insurance. I use you can kind of pick your
insurance price, and as long as you have photos, some
proof that you have cards, that's really all you need
(54:11):
and it's very affordable.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Well let's bring this full circle. Orioles are on first
spring training game today. I could not be more excited.
Have you guys been able to watch Chris Heerpatras fan?
Have they had a game on TV yet?
Speaker 4 (54:28):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (54:29):
And my PC guy is Manny Machado. First pitch he
sees yesterday parks it over the wall in center fields.
It's hard being in the same division with the Dodgers,
but you know, this is such a fun time for
every baseball fan because you think you've got a chance
everything's gonna be okay. So but it's a long season,
(54:50):
so it'll be a lot of fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Oh Presidente, who's your team and who do you root for?
Speaker 4 (54:56):
Well?
Speaker 2 (54:56):
I root for my Pittsburgh Pirates to be sold. That's
who I root.
Speaker 5 (55:01):
Because I think that guy's younger than me, so that
means they're never gonna win again in my lifetime.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
Uh wait, but you have another picture coming up behind
Paul's skins that's supposed to have an arm that.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yes, that's what the that's what they say. It'd be
hard to believe though, I mean, I.
Speaker 5 (55:18):
Mean you might have an arm as good as that
doesn't mean he's going to be as good of a picture.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
And true true to that. But uh, you know, good
luck and uh you know, as the as they said
and Thomas Crown, you know, as long as your interest
don't conflict with mine, you know, I wish you the
best of luck.
Speaker 5 (55:35):
You know, we have another young picture on that staff
that nobody talks about because of schemes.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
Jared Jones. He's a nice young too.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
I mean he could win to say young baseball drives
the hobby people believe it. It does absolutely well. Guys.
I'm gonna try to hit the right button and get
us out of here. Thank you so much. John Mangeni, congratulations,
Welcome to the crew. Chris Carlin. Always a pleasure, sir,
A true veteran in the hobby and appreciate the insight.
Speaker 4 (56:04):
Yeah, that was fun. Thanks guys, thanks for including.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
Me, and thanks to everybody in the chat. It is
the best chat ever. Yeah. Absolutely, Saturday Mornings Bench Clair Media,
UH and Hobby Hotline. It'll be posted during the week.
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