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Speaker 1 (00:30):
All right, good morning everybody. I hope everybody's doing well.
Welcome to Hobby Hotline. This is episode three thirty five
of Hobby Hotline. I'm your host, Logan Ward, and with
me today is the man known as a Collector's Dream Orlando, Orlando.
How you doing, Buddy, doing great, Logan, that's good to hear.
And the man who needs no introduction, hobby pioneer and icon,
(00:54):
My good friend, doctor Jim Beckett. How you doing, doctor Jim.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm fine. Maybe I'd like to be a Collector's Dream.
I look a good thing, Orlando.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Thank you, doctor Jim.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Let's check out a few comments real quick here. Uh
we've from Stukes, he says, good morning watching the snow
Milton in Minnesota. So that's uh, that's pretty good. Uh
Man City Brew, Good morning, Peter be says, hello folks,
Hodges he gave a video like already, so I guess
like the video if y'all don't mind, he says, Hey,
everybody got Larry Gitlan, Good morning to all my favorites.
(01:30):
Good to see Larry. Authentic sports car Dad says, cheers.
Gordon says, aloha, so he's in. I believe he's in
Hawaii and uh, let's see we've got uh Mookie there
there there's old MOOKI uh he said, this is this
is a dream team. Good morning friends, Good morning Mookie.
It's good to see you at the National Happy Sunday happy.
(01:52):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, he's uh he's in another time zone,
so it's Sunday for him.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Ruben says, I was looking like the silver like a
silver Fox Mail model.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Thank you, Ruben.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I have to agree with that.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Most interesting being in the world.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, exactly, Rondelle says, Hi, guys getting a lot of
and Ziggie's on here. Cheers Doctor beck Beckett, and he says, says,
good good day Orlando. All right, so I think we're
caught up for the moment. Really quick. Before the show started,
I went out to AI and I asked AI to
(02:34):
create a picture in Van Goes style of the Hobby
Hotline hosts, Doctor Beckett myself in Orlando. So this is
what it came up with, and I thought it was
absolutely hilarious. Let me let me find the picture here.
Here you go, guys. I don't know why it thinks
Hobby Hotline collects rabbit, but that's what it gave us
(02:57):
like triplets, we kind of did. I'm trying to figure
out who's who. I guess doctor Jim, you're probably in
the middle there, and the fellow on the left kind
of looks like Chris Harris. But uh, yeah, I just
I just thought that was interesting. I thought it was funny.
The other picture it generated was was with a bunch
of guitars, but I thought the bunny one was funny.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
As collectors, we do go to rabbit holes sometimes.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
That's a good one, man, I like that. All right,
let me check some more comments. See where we are.
Let's see Rondell. He's on the bus from Florida to
New York.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Wow, that's Roco's wife.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Oh right, okay, yeah, okay, Rocko.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Because he's he's blind, he's one of the he's the
most famous blind collector.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
That's awesome. Yeah, and let's see TD sports. Good morning,
and Ziggy says magic of Grading. Okay, all right, so
I guess we can get out onto our very first
subject this morning. Uh and it's tops tops Rip Night.
So did you you guys go to tops Rip night
at all?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Not me?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
No, I did not. Yesterday I did talk to h
Aaron from a mint at the card show because he
was there, and you know, he told me it was
very busy, very big event. They had a hobby you know.
I got trade night also and give away cards. He
said it was pretty big.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
He's a local card shop here in uh in Fort
Lauderdale on there Fort Lot. But I didn't. I didn't attend,
but I heard it was very big.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, it's it was a very big event here as well.
R R l C s is. It's very narrow, but
it's a very long building and they were packed. They
showed me some pictures. I wish I had them. I did.
I should have asked them for him, but they said
they were packed. They said it was actually amazing. It's
a huge turnout.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
So anytime Tops does stuff like that, I think it's great.
Of course, awesome for the hobby. You know, hopefully it
brings new kids into the hobby, you know, because kids
will bring friends, and even friends hopefully don't don't collect.
So I think it's a always a great, great deal
when they do that. I think they need to do
more of that, you know. Similar it's kind of like
(05:06):
a mini fanatics fest is kind of thing. And there
were some athletes and some of the bigger you know,
card shops. I heard, so, so that's always great, you know,
to have the athletes involved in ripping packs with the gether.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Oh, I totally agree, doctor Beckett. You have any thoughts, Well,
I just think it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Uh, you know, it's a it's a great activity anyway,
but when you throw in some big time celebrities, I mean,
I don't know how they even do the crowd control.
If they know in advance that somebody big is going
to be there, it's incredible. Again, you're going to come
for the celebrities and hopefully, as Orlando said, stay for
the cards. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I think it's a good bell weather for the hobby.
You get to see a lot of people there, you know,
the people, you know, the crowd just I mean, I
think that's just you know, it just shows how strong
the hobby is right now.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I had some guys come up to me at the
last show that I know that I had no idea.
They were collectors. They've never said anything about it even
they just got back into it. They were bringing their kids.
Their kids were between ten and fifteen, and it was cool.
It was cool. They just they kind of showed up,
tapped me on the shoulder and I went, oh, okay,
I had to get reoriented. But they were into it too.
(06:13):
I mean they had been they'd been dormant and came
back because they're kids, and some of the kids were Pokemon.
It's but a bunch of them were sports cards too.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
That's great. I know that RLCs. They said they gave
away some things and they had They didn't have any
celebrities or anything there it. I guess it would have
been nice if they had maybe some minor leaguers or something,
but they didn't. They didn't have anybody. But they told
me the turnout was incredible, that the store was packed
like sardines. So I think that's, like I said, I
think that's a good bell weather for the hobby.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So the hobby it's always been strong. When the mission
fee is zero and you're getting free gifts, you know,
so it's a it's an amazing enticement because we love stuff.
We love swag, and so when it's when it's a
pertinent swag, it's stuff that we collect. What's better than that.
They could charge a mission.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
They could charge admission, Yeah, they could, and people would
still turn out. You're right.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
It's just a great family night. It's a great chance
to just get out and do something with the kids.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, that's true. Uh, you know, we had a card
show that day. I wanted to go because I just
wanted to experience one. I've never been to one, and uh,
I just I was I was just too tired. I said,
the heck with it, I'm just going to go on home.
But I hate now that I missed it. It looked
like it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, they gave away pass of cards. I think it
was like there was a fifteen card set of you know,
all stars with parallel stuff in there, so you know,
for free. The kids are thrilled.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh yeah, the kids. The kids eat that up. I
know when I'm at a show and some little kids
that they come up, you know, I'll find something to
give to them, and they get so excited and over
just you know, just any kind of card there they
and I'm glad to see that. That's really Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I did something with Rich where we were talking about
how did people spend their time in the hobby and
what what what's kind of the way you decide what
you want to do in the after or evening or whatever.
But on an evening, you can go to the movies
that would cost you go to a ball game that
would cost a lot more. You can watch a ball
game on TV of your favorite sport, or you could
(08:12):
go to a Rip Knight. I think Rip Knight wins.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Oh definitely. Yeah. My son, he's uh, I think he's
thirty five now, he really didn't he collects he collects football,
but he really didn't want to go, So that would
have been nice to have gone with him again. So
here's a comment, Rondell. The hobby is in a definite
up swing. Last show I attend had lots of young
people and kids, and that's very true. I know that
(08:37):
the last two shows we've had here locally, the attendance
has just been off the charts and it's you know,
I have set up with a buddy of mine as
a as a dealer, and they were two of the
best shows we've ever had since we come back to
become dealers at the shows. It's definitely strong right now
and I'm glad to see it. See Ziggy's got a question.
He's had lots of criticism on fanatics, distribution and retail breaks.
(09:02):
Any thoughts. How different is this from past distribution to
hostale distribution like blowout.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well number one, I'm proud of Fanatics for saying it,
for declaring that's that's more information than we would get
back in the old days. There was a perception that
most of the product went to wholesale hobby distributors, and
Fanatics is kind of indicated that they're moving away from
that old model. And so if forty percent going to lcs,
(09:32):
that's good. If forty percent are going to breakers, that's
just what it is. You know, on the high end product,
it may be higher than that, and twenty percent go
into retail. I like that. You've got to get some
retail out there, but I don't want it to be
mainly retail. I just want every card shop that wants
to have access to these products can get it. If
(09:53):
that's the case, then that's fine. I don't want Breakers
to be the primary mode of distribut and it looks
like they're moving that way because Fanatics has their own platform.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, yeah, agree completely with doctor Beckett. The only thing
I think is that you got to remember forty to Breakers,
that's pretty much their Fanatics space, that's their marketing tool.
That's their marketing end, and you know, those breakers are
going to be hitting those hits and that's going to
encourage the other the retail sales and all the other sales.
(10:26):
The problem with that, I see is that the breakers
tend to be the ones that raise the prices of
the boxes or decide the box prices of the boxes,
which affects you know, just you going on and buying
an average box somewhere else. But you know, for them
it's working, Fanatics, I think that's the way they're they're
marketing their products the best, and especially on their own site.
(10:51):
I mean it's like a double duty marketing blitz, you know.
And that's Remember they're not interested in a lot of
the venture stuff. They're interested in marketing the stuff, and
that's really what their focus is, what that those cards
are worth four or five years from now. They're not
interested in any of that stuff. They just want to
move product, print product, and go from that. And the
(11:11):
breakers are the way to promote it the best, the best,
and it's working for them. But as long as we
have access, I think that's what counts.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Excellent points, Orlando, I'm going to go even further in
that when you've got Breakers getting this product and changing
the price of the product. Fanatics benefits. Price goes up,
and so whereas in the old system with the distributors,
the card companies sold the product to the distributors and
then they the price floated and they made the incremental
(11:43):
you know, when the price went up, it was pocketed
by the distributors. And so empirically, I think we can
see if there's a good run on a certain product,
the price is going to go up. Demand has increased,
and Fanatics now has figured out they're going to be
cut in. Price goes up. They benefit even more because
they're because they're fanatics, live people are are in their system.
(12:07):
So it's it's insidious and it's uh it's it's what
you'd expect from a company that wants to ten x
the hobby and hopefully they're going to plow these extra
profits back into reinvestment in the category.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, I think I think that, Uh, I think that's
good that they they let us know this how the
distribution model works. Breakers are here to stay. I you know,
love them or hate them, We're gonna have Breakers for
for a long time, for the foreseeable future. So just
part of the current modern hobby. So yeah, I'm glad
to see that. So let me catch up on a
(12:43):
few more comments here. Mike Petty says, uh, rip Knight
is cheaper even buying an eight K box of nebulas. Okay,
Uh Warren say is high? Ziggy, Uh, you really appreciate
your comments, Doctor Backett. Hope everybody, hope others are listening.
We're my l c s. Cannot afford Panini. Mike Petty says,
(13:03):
give it all to breakers, they are the best. We
love you, Mike Petty. Uh, Ziggy says Bingo. A lot
of comments going on here, uh d r Wou'd love
to hear doctor Beckett's thoughts about the tariffs in Canada
and China and how they could impact the hobby. In fact,
that's gonna be our next subject, so we might as
(13:25):
well go to uh. The next next thing we want
to talk about is uh the tariffs for p s A.
So that that that question kind of goes hand in
hand with this. So uh PSA made the announcement and
I've got it right here. They're gonna have tariffs on
their nights. We're gonna be accepting submissions from Canada. Mexico, China.
(13:45):
I believe so some thoughts fellas doctor Beckett, I'm gonna
go to you first.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
The p s A another brilliant move. You know, the
hobby loves scarcity. The hobby loves for people to be told, sorry,
we're we're gonna be doing uh, we're changing up the system.
We're going to be restricting and so you better get
your cards in or you've got or there's an opportunity
because we're gonna have some extra capacity. So I think
(14:14):
PSA is a brilliant announcement because it's not that big
a deal. Number One, I thought they had an office
over in Japan and so the Chinese could go that direction.
The Canadians they already have a submission center in Canada,
so they're not really affected. And Mexico is not a
huge market for PSA, and I'm sure they could drive
(14:37):
across the border, even with the Trump's tightened up border.
You get in southern California, you can get across the board.
So I think it's it's something that's going to blow over.
It's allowed PSA to grab the spotlight that they're being
proactive in a way that causes you to think, hey,
how's this gonna affect me? Maybe I need to get
(14:59):
some cards in there and all that. So I think
it's another good move from PSA to for It's kind
of like industry leadership. The tariffs are coming and here's
our response to it. So, you know, I wish they
were this forthright on a lot of things, on everything,
but on this issue they've taken the lead, and good
(15:20):
for them.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So, Orlando, you got any thoughts.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Well, I mean, when you think about it, it doesn't
affect me. It doesn't affect anybody here in the United States,
you know, for the PSA part of it, so, you know,
and that's where the majority of their customers are. But
like doctor Beckett said, there's ways around it, you know.
But overall, the entire tariff situation, I think between the
Canada and I really feel that's just gonna be temporary.
(15:46):
I don't think that's gonna last for very long. You know,
it may only be thirty sixty ninety days. We'll see
what happens. But for the most part, people will work
a way around it and figure out a way to
get things done and not have to pay some massive
and stuff like that, you know, with the products and
stuff that are coming from China. I mean, you know,
last time around, there was a teriff on China, and
(16:07):
China absorbed most of the tariff, you know, in products
that were sending to us. You know, we'll see what
happens now, but uh, you know, I mean, you know,
we're talking about you know what products from China, top
loaders and things like that, you know what I'm thinking.
And the plastics probably, but there'll be a way to
get those plastics here made here in the United States
(16:29):
or somehow some way. I'm sure that that's something, you know, eventually,
some some business and people will take advantage of certain
things like that and uh, you know, and do what
it takes to make some money somehow some way, maybe
do some produce them here. But I don't really think
it's gonna affect us that much. And some of the ones,
especially from Canada, I think those are going I agree.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You know. I didn't do some looking around, and I
did not see any other grading companies talk about tariffs.
I didn't see Beckett talk about it, adn't ce CGC
talk about it. None of them said anything about the tariffs.
So PSA was the only one to do that. Are
they affected, you guys think or no.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't think they're that affected by it. I mean
I think they're they're they're what They're done a million,
more than a million cards a month, So I don't
And and Ryan Stazynski is tracking. We'll see if it
goes down in the next month or two. I doubt
that it will appreciably because again, people are going to say, hey,
there's an opportunity I get a better turnaround when I
send in my my own stuff. Now, I visited over
(17:34):
at Fanatics a number of weeks ago. Now I'm just
telling you. They they they aren't the only one, but
they were already anticipating that. They have a huge, huge
operation there and I got a tour of that looked around.
They are every major business in this industry should have
and probably did anticipate this because we've known it's been
(17:55):
coming since the election. And how how it finally works out,
I think the bar will be worse than the bite,
but it's but most of these companies, including my old company,
I'm sure, ordered ahead and stockpiled some things that were
from those affected countries because you already knew. I mean
it was so any rate, it's it's gonna blow over. Uh.
(18:20):
And yet it's it's good to have more than a
single source for some of these products. If you're a
single source. Uh, just like with COVID when when shipping
got way behind it, it messed people up. I don't
think they're caught with their pants down anymore. I think
people have ample uh you know, slab stock, whatever it is,
the you know, the plastic. They can't afford to be short.
(18:42):
I mean, it's too important to their business.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, I'm sure that they've stocked up and they're probably
sitting on pallets of slabs right now. And I don't
I don't think it's going to affect them very much
at all.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
See, Ziggy's got another comment. Retail values will be impacted
by tariffs. A case of prison for ten k will
cost more, makes breaking cards and ship my cards look
look the best option.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Well the other thing, and I'm not sure about the
case of prism that I will say this, it's an
excuse for companies to raise prices even if they're not
affected by the tariffs. He's, oh, there's some tariffs, so
I've read to raise my prices ten percent. But again,
this is a market that's driven by demand and demand
(19:25):
in the secondary market. If it doesn't, if the price
doesn't stick, you know, but a lot of times the
price does stick, but I hope it doesn't. If people
are overcharging for things, say no and wait for the
price to go down, And unfortunately it doesn't usually work
that way.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, her thoughts war excuse me, he thoughts Orlando.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I think he said it off. We'll wait and see
what happens. I mean, we may not be talking about
this two three months from now.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, the hobby has a short, short term memory anyway,
so yeah, probably probably so all right, So I guess
let's catch up on a few more comments. See, we've
got Sammy Thunder says, good morning everybody. He's uh, he's
glad to finally catch the live stream. It's good to
have you on, Sammy, and uh Warren says same here Sammy,
and then Mookie's like, Warren, Sammy, Yeah, there you go.
(20:09):
So a lot of a lot of high highs going
back and forth. Lows uh Dr says it feels like
it will impact the hobbyists versus yeah. So yeah, I mean,
in the end, it's always going to be the consumer
that it pays for it no matter what. D R
also says it feels like it will hurt the hobbies
more than the business. Yes, for sure, I totally totally
(20:30):
agree with that.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, going to pass on the cost.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Oh yeah, that's that's the way that it. Uh Cooter says,
it's going to be a loss of disposable income that
impacts the hobby and the lost consumer the and the
lost consumer confidence. UH has the volatility in the markets.
Cards don't feed families, That's true. I mean I use
discretionary income and extra income to buy cards. I don't
(20:53):
use my money to pay my electric bill by card.
Uh terriffs her consumers, not countries historically, you know, that's
very true. HEYMOOKI a lot of comments going on. This
is great to see the chag very active. Ziggi says,
uh what not has declared themselves a platform like YouTube
and will not monitor sellers. Should fanatics live get more
(21:15):
credit for actually having standards and monitoring, you know, that's
that's another big thing. I think what not said that
they have discontinued the replay of their live streams, so
you can't go back and see if anybody's doing maybe
something shady or something. Any thoughts on that, guys.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
There's a battle guys, and the battle between you, between
the Fanatics and whatnot. I wouldn't bet against Fanatics. I
mean they control the distribution. Uh they It's it's not
that they have standards in monitoring as much as they
can enforce them. They have the big they have the
big stick. So if somebody in Fanatics Live gets out
(21:55):
of line, they got to toe the line what not,
it's gonna look like a renegade platform.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah, Fanatics and definitely Fanatics has more to lose. You know,
they do something bad happens on their platform because you know,
their tentacles go everywhere versus just whatnot. So it's, uh,
they're gonna keep a good eye on these guys more
and more than I think what not. It's like doctor
Beckett said, you know whatnet is more kind of like,
uh they're out there.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, they're you know, they don't have quite the standards
that Fanatics has. So yeah, it's I see that. I
see Fanatics probably winning that battle probably.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Looking a few more comments great hobby community, Gordon says, uh,
where are the tops and Panini cards manufactured? We know
the top loader sleeves and sheets are made in Asia. Well,
I know for sure that the cards are made here
in the US. A lot of them are in Dallas,
in doctor doctor Beckett's backyard as a matter of fact.
And then I know Panini uh since uh, since tops
(22:56):
and everybody, they control the printing facilities. I know Pina
has gotten you know, gone over to some other printing
facilities as well. So all that stuff is done here.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
So the more complicated is the more it's done in
the US. If you're just doing you know, supplies, uh there,
you know that that's just that's a that's a brute
force mass, you know, production line thing. Whereas the cards,
especially modern cards with all the different game used autographs,
(23:27):
insert ratios and stuff like that, that that the assembly
of that is really complicated and it's and it's valuable,
so you know, to have controls and to do it,
like you said, in the backyard. Uh, it's actually in
my side yard.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Very few printing plants can print cards like this.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Well, they can print them, but they can't they can't
do the specialty stuff, the basic ink and color on
card stock. Lots of people can do that, but the
even the guilty cutting or the or the laser cutting
and the insert ratios. It's it's extremely sophisticated.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, there are many layers to creating those cards, you know,
to get all the shininess, to get all the different
patterns and you know, all just all the things that
go into it. It's it's a very complicated process. It
just takes like I said, it takes many steps in
many layers to get that done. So and Doc Doctor
Beckett's exactly right. Not everybody can do that. It's I know,
(24:26):
I think Pinini, you know, it was a challenge for
them to try to find other printers that could do
what they were doing previously down in Dallas. That's that's
that's a big part of it for sure. And I
know the packout facilities are also I believe in Texas
as well, where they pack everything out, so all all
that is done completely done here in the good old
US of As. I'm glad for that for sure. So uh, people,
(24:50):
I have.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
A theory that there are enough penny sleeves, top loaders
and card savers in the universe already that if none
were ever made, they just were redistributed. You know, think
about the grading company. I think they're dumpstering all the
card savers that things are submitted into. If things were recycled,
(25:12):
I think we'd have enough for sure, penny sleeves and yeah,
guard savers, top loaders, we've got enough. Just just don't
throw them away, just recycle them or you know, reuse them. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I've often wondered what happens to all the cards saver
ones and all the penny sleeves that I send to PSA.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I think they're ground up. I think they're ground up,
and you know.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Some they're basically I mean, think about it. They fifteen
million cards a year they grade. Look at how many
penny sleeves fifteen million at least just that tons, tons
of stuff. It could be recycled. Who knows some maybe
one day.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, I would like to see PSA maybe you know,
reuse them. Maybe you can resell them. I don't know
if that's even a thing, but you know, it would
be nice just have them recycled in that fashion, you know,
maybe buy a penny cheaper. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I had a friend that was involved with reverse logistics,
and it's basically after stuff, it's like this, and the
problem is the cost of sorting them out or dealing
with them is more than the value of what they
would get if you pulled out the nice ones or
any processing of it that's not mechanized is not worth it.
(26:22):
So just put in the dumpster move on because that's
not their main business, right I Yeah, they said I'll
give you a hundred bucks for the dumpster full of
the used card savers, they'd say, sure, and then you'd
have to get a truck. You have to get them out,
all that stuff, and you know, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
They can donate them to Goodwill and then maybe Goodwill
can sell them out and whoever buys some sorts.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Of I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It just seems like a huge waste to me to
waste that many pennies leaves in card saver.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, but if the if the tariffs were one hundred
percent from China and they're doubling overnight, then show me that
dumpster again.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
This is true. Yeah, I'd definitely be a dumpster diver
for sure on something like that. A lot of comments
whatnot is nothing like YouTube. Strange comparison, very very different platforms,
And that's very true. Let's see zig Ziggy is it's
good to see Ziggy out there, Rip Night, debut patches,
player involvement. The hobby is strong and growing. Applaud fanatics
(27:27):
they butter my bread. Yeah, the hobby. I agree, the
hobby is strong, definitely.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Sure, let's talk about the debut patches.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, that's that. That's a good segue into debut patches.
So recently the Associated Press printed an article about the
the debut patches and how the young players are trying
to collect their own patches. And I thought that was
a really great article. Uh, I'm sure you guys have
probably read it, doctor Beckett. Uh what do you think
(27:57):
about it?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
I mean, against the news, it's anything that's in the
news that's positive like that is good. And anything that's
getting the players talking about the hobby, involved in the hobby,
participating in the hobby, those are that's all good. That's
all good. I mean, that's I mean, this is a
dream come true. You know, if you think ten but
ten years ago, to imagine that collectors, that players would
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be collecting their own cards other than Jannis Antetokumpo, who was,
you know, surreptitiously doing it, but these young baseball players,
I think it's awesome.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I think that's one of the best things that's happened
in the hobby, not only the debut patches themselves being
an incredibly great idea, but just to have the athletes
not only become collectors, but you know, these are people
that the fans look up to. So a lot of
kids that were not collectors saying, wow, Polski's is a collector.
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I want to be a collector. I want to look
into that or I've never so I think all of
that is going to just draw people in the hobby.
And like doctor Jim says, anytime you're in the national
news in a positive way, you know, the cart hobby
is I think it's always great news. And the thing
with the debut patches is that you know, we're getting
more and more every year, and Logan, we talked about
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this before that there was what I think ninety one
the first year and this year there's two hundred and
fifty one. So that also gives us collectors a chance
to pull one out of a pack other than just
you know, the few that they had. And I think
they're going to expand that further, you know, have even
more and more players eventually, and I just hope they
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don't go all the way and start getting college guys
or who know, high school patch cards.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, you can have Opening Day patches each year. There's
there's lots of things they can do with this, but
most things in the hobby get beaten to death by repetition,
so I hope they'll exercise some restraint. But it's a
wonderful concept.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
It definitely is. And I was looking at eBay looking
at some of the recent sales, and this may be
kind of hard to see, but you can see some
of these, you know, even the non Paul Skins debut patch.
I mean there's one for ten thousand dollars for It's
hard to see, it's like landing not but you can
see some of the sales, I mean, sixty five hundred
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and six thousand, fifty four nine. So it's pretty strong
for just even the regular player patches, not even talking
about Paul schemes and.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
The other thing that that's doing. I think it's redefining
what the best card of that paer will be in
the future. I think that this patch card will be
their best card. So sometimes you don't know with all
the rookie cards everything being out there, of course it's
going to be the top of the high end, but
I think that's going to be the best card of
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each of those players.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Probably, right.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, And I love until the.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Next big thing.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah, there's always the next big thing.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I like the fact that some of the families are
have secretly been getting these cards for their you know,
their their player relatives, and I just think it's really neat.
They've been given them to for Christmas and for birthdays
and things, and I just I really like to see that.
A great thing. Try to catch up on some more
comments here. Mike Petty says he thinks ps A they
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are recycling. Less than one percent of their plastics is recyclable.
The rest is landfilled unless they incinerate, which is ten
times more expensive here in California. I'm sure burning anything
in California is not an easy thing.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Rex.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
He says, those distribution numbers are not correct. They take
into account all the DTC sales from Tops and Fanatics
or online sales from the Big three.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
So.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Both are right. I think I'm not sure those Rex's
point is well taken if that's the case, but I
think the numbers were not for were for hobby packout product,
not for the whole industry, not for their companies, and
not even for all of fanatics business. It's just that
when they produce a hobby box or a box of cards,
a box of unopen product words, a go twenty forty forty,
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the direct consumer, you know, the tops now and all
these things, that also is a huge business. I'm sure
double digit is certainly double digit in profits, but that's
I don't think. I think their point here was was
just to break out those three things. That retail is smaller,
which I think is good because you know, when we
got into problems with the junk wax era, retail was
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a big part of the which sure was.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
It was literally everywhere you could go anywhere and buy it.
It was incredible back then. I like, I like what
Mike Patty says breaking news hobby Hotline reaches an all
time high and not mentioning wimby thirty five minutes in
counting boy Zigg says, pink pant pink cancer patches are
(32:58):
coming and they will tie into the cancer too. That's
actually would be a really good thing. I think. I
think that would bring a lot of awareness. And you've
probace did some good prices for some of those patches,
Mad City says, how many one of ones can a
player have in a year? Way too many. There are
a lot of one of ones, no doubt. It makes
you makes you think about one of the ones. Mad
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City Bruce says two to three k at mad City
brew sounds about right able in Vegas. It's a hard
ratio to determine if some hobby shops who get product
could should go to group breaks versus selling the box
into one person. You know, there's a lot of opinions
on that.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, because a lot of shops now do do breaking
also well.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
But again, once it gets to the ship, if they
set if Fanatics is just saying what they did, they
sent their product to LCS right and breakers. Most of
that's probably Fanatics Live and then twenty percent to retail,
which is I thought the numbers were encouraging. But what
people do you know, whether they break it in the
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shop or like JASPI my old buddy. You know, they
they've got a shop, but then they've got a huge
breaking operation, which which does that count ass It probably
counts as a breaker. But they do have a physical
card shop now too. Jeff Wilson cards HQ, same thing.
They have a card shop, but they're doing a lot
of breaking.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, I stopped there. I went to VAL's house earlier
this year or actually last year, and on my way
back from Vals, I stopped at cards HQ. It was
an impressive place. You know, they've got all separate booths
where people can do breaking. It's really an incredible facility.
You know, love him or hate him, it's a great
card shop. I love the way they display the grading cards.
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They have boxes, you know, behind glass cases and you
have to ask somebody to go, hey, I want this box,
and they'll come and unlock and give you the box.
I mean I liked the shop. I really did. I
had a great experience. So it's more important.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Is fanatics likes the shop. Yes like your see yes
if they if it looks like last century, then that's you.
You're going to have to upgrade, I think, to be
in fanatics good graces because they believe that that's how
we're going to tenex the hobby by by increasing the
the I appeal of the hobby.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, it's it's a lot about the consumer experience for sure.
Because I was I was impressed, you know, walking in there.
I mean when you. When you see it from the outside,
it's in it like a shopping center kind of thing.
But when you go in, you forget about where you are.
You're you're in, you're You're just enveloped into this experience
of trading cards. And you've got a lot of like
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minded people there. And the place when I went there
was absolutely pat Uh. I could not it was. It
took a few minutes for me to flag somebody down
to say, hey, I want to buy this box of
cards right here. So you know, that's a good thing
for them, and it's a good thing for the hobby.
I really like, I said, I enjoyed the experience. So
uh a few more comments. Oh, Mike, Petty's glad to
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see you laugh there, Doctor Jim, he said, he made
you laugh. He said he can quit trying now. KB says,
we are in the junk one of one era. I
don't know about that. May you know there are a
lot of one ones. I mean, even for what I collect.
I'm a racing guy. Uh, there's a tremendous amount of
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one of the ones created by Panini. But uh still
I get excited when I get one, So I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna complain about it.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I will tell Peter b that we are in a
junk slab era because there's a lot of cards that
aren't worth the slab that they're in at.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
This Oh that is so true.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Uh. At the last card show here, a buddy of
mine and myself we bought a lot of sixty three
thousand cards and there's some junk wax cards in there,
but we found some some gems in there. But when
you look at the prices for grading, like a PSA
ten is, you know, say one hundred and fifty dollars,
then a PSA nine is like ten dollars, it's not
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worth taking the chance to grade that card. So you
know it's in my body's going we should grade it.
I'm going no, I don't know that we want to
grade these because you know they're they're probably probably not
worth grading.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You know, we talk about there's not that many complete
set collectors anymore, and that's true, but there's also not
people that anymore because of three thousand and one of ones.
They can't say I'm going to be a super collector
and I'm going to get all the one of ones
of any player, even an obscure player. It is I
think literally it's probably virtually impossible because one person. And
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so it's it's changed the thought of collecting that I
have to have everything, that I have to be complete.
It's which is I just want to have a great collection,
and I want to add cards that I like. But
it's just if you're a perfectionist, you're just freaking out
because you can't get all three thousand, one of ones
of your of your player, even if you had the money.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
This is yeah, for sure. A few more comment.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
It's even the player. If a player says, you know,
I am a serious collector, I'm gonna get all of
my one on ones one of ones, and so anybody's
got a one of one of me, they can bring
it to me and I will autograph, I will give
them some swag. I'll give them a jersey, they can
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sit in the suite with me or whatever. You know,
I'll hang out with them for a day. They still
wouldn't get them all. Never you'll be collectors that are
trying to get a lot of their cards, they won't
be able to. So it makes the idea of a
quest is it's not just you get fined it. You
gotta find it. Then you've got to work out a deal.
And some of these things are not for sale.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
This is true. I've got several one of ones. I've
got some Dale Earnhard Junior and Senior. One of ones
that I've had a lot of people say, Hey, I
want to buy those. It's like, hey, you're not gonna
buy those because I'm not selling them. You know, it's
just not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
And you're probably never selling. That's gonna be one of
those cards that are going what I call a black hole.
They go with someone's collection and they never come out.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You know, my my collection. I guess you could say
that it's probably a black hole because I rarely sell anything.
So when it comes in, it's it's like the Roach motel.
They check it, cards check in, they don't check. So, uh,
let's see here able in Vegas, he says, Burbank Sports
Cards is going into a major expansion. You I've heard
about that. Uh, they took over a Walgreens location. Let's
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see how innovative they get with that space. Yeah, it'd
be nice to see what what they do with their
new space. I don't know if they're going to try
to mimic cards HQ or not, or maybe have some
of their own new ideas. I guess we'll see what
happens with that. That'll be pretty be pretty neat to see.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Well, uh yeah, there's three components, four components now. So
the one component that that Burbank is mastered is to
be able to buy in their shop. They have a
line out the door, they take they take appointments to
buy cards. Another area they have that's state of the art,
is unopened and they have multiple walls of unopened product.
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And then the third is the showcase of of single
cards and stuff like that. The fourth what Jeff Wilson
has done, which Rob will undoubtedly be doing, is the
recording studios, the you know, and maybe even a fifth thing,
which is a trade area or something. We're a congregating area,
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community tables where people could could just enjoy the hobby
and trade back and forth, just making it more of
a community center. If he's got the room, he can
do that. In the old days, he just keep getting
keeps getting bigger. But when you're in retail, every square
foot or every linear foot, every cubic foot whatever has
(40:45):
to has to return. And so I'm excited. I definitely
want to see when he gets set up. I've seen
I think I've seen all the iterations of his stores,
and this will be bigger and better and very exciting.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, I'm excited to see it. I want to make
a field trip one day out to his shop and
to p s A. It's very rare that I get
out to California or even the West Coast, you know,
I'm kind of down here in the South, but I do.
I do want to make that a destination to go
see his shop for sure, especially the new shop. So
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doctor Beckett looks like Sammy Thunder's got a question for you,
He said he was listening yesterday to your latest GAOC
with Mike. You discussed card shows. What caused the shift
in card shows becoming more of a business model.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
It's an excellent question, except they don't really understand it fully.
I think card shows haven't many card shows. They have
not shifted at all. They have the same business model
of you know, some admission fee and some dealers paying
for their tables and showcases. Signers coming u now with
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a trade night, which is another bonus. So I think
they've just gotten bigger and more complicated, and the sponsors.
You know, in the early days there weren't any sponsors.
There were just mainly was the dealers getting together and
paying for it. So I think it's I don't know
if this is what Sammy's getting at, but it's sort
of going to be survival of the fittest because in Dallas,
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from year over year, the number of shows has doubled,
and it's because of the success of Kyle's big shows.
But now every one of Kyle's big shows has a
smaller show the week before and a smaller show the
week after, and sometimes multiple in the metroplex. And I'm
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really talking about Dallas, not even fort Worth. If it's
fort Worth, it's East fort Worth, it's forty five minutes away.
Within forty five minutes. I have eight shows in the
next four weeks. And so the business model is making
your show stand out, having some reason why you have
to be there, And Kyle's done that. These smaller, medium
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sized shows, Uh, I don't know that they can all
make it. You gotta have great dealers, You gotta have
enough attendance to make it worth it for the dealers.
And you know, if you just have a token signer.
That's that's not very exciting anymore. So I'm not sure
what the question, Sammy, but the evolution or this this
(43:20):
adaptation is important and generally good, and especially with Kyle,
who knows what he's doing. He's he's doing other cities
now and so I guess the other thing is that
they're they're more being many of them, the successful ones
are being run by people with business savvy. In the
early days, it was just it was just a collector
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that said, hey, we ought to have a show in
town here, let's get together and have a show. But
now these are these are full time promoters. They know
what they're doing, they're and and like I said, they're
part of the ten Xing. So I wish him great success.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, I think that's that's the key right there. You know,
from the old days of just a bunch of colllectors
putting together a show where you could leave your table
walk to the another table, and I mean those days
are gone, and what's happened now is that it's become
a business. Like Samy said, if you don't run a
show like a marketing person, you're not going to be successful.
(44:17):
And you know, collectors in the old days. You know,
we were just collectors.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
We try to get a bunch of friends and do
whatever we could, but we're not experts now. He shows
need to be turned over to somebody who is knows marketing.
For example, the Strongsville show, they contacted me because I
did some video of the show and they offered me
a media pass and I talked to the guy. This
guy is a marketing professional that came from a big
(44:44):
you know company. I won't mention the names and stuff,
but he was literally hired by Strongsville Group to promote
the event. So I think that's the part of the
business that's that's got it. You've got to do, and
it's taken over to get some promoters that are going
to reach out to different medias, different people, different ways
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to attract people to the show. And those are the
ones that are gonna be successful. The other ones that
are gonna go.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
You know, our local card show is run by a collector.
You know, he he just does it. I guess he
does it just to make some side money and you know,
to help the hobby.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
He's not a business. He's not making this into a
business or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
He just does this purely for the love of the hobby,
and you know, to make a little extra money. He's
he he's not in the business of promoting card shows,
so it's for him. It's just a little side gig
that he does to help out the community. So that's
how it works here.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Well, So he builds the business there there there. It's
it's way easier to have a chain of shows across
the country than it is to have a chain of
l s s. Running a card show is easier than
running an l CS And so it wouldn't surprise me
if there were continued roll ups of promoters. You know,
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a bigger promoter is going to come in with bigger
marketing budget and all that stuff. So if the Memphis
show gets built up to two under tables instead of
one under tables, then all of a sudden, it's ripe
for somebody poaching or coming in. This is true.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yes, he can sell them.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Happen and it could be Fanatics. I mean, Fanatics kind
of has has stepped back to reevaluate doing shows, not
just the fests. But I think they want to be
in that part of the business too.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Oh, I don't think there's any part of the business
that Fanatics doesn't want to be a part of right now.
So Mike Petty says that PSA will be doing something
very special at Burbank Sports Cards, He's told, so that'll
be interesting to see what comes out of that. Zeggi
says he loves black Hole collectors. We need more. How
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do we growth that group? I know that for sure
as a racing guy. You know, I'm NASCAR, I'm not
F one, But I've noticed that the F one community
seems to be more of flip flip flip flip, cell
cell sell It doesn't seem to be a community of
I collect whereas the NASCAR guys are more of collectors.
(47:17):
So yeah, I agree, we need to need to grow
that group for sure.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Well, there's what is vintage F one. It's it's a
short list.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
There's a very short list.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I mean, if if you don't define vintage as being
pre seventy two or something, if you define vintage as
you know, last century, there's a lot of good racing
stuff out there, so you can't. So I don't blame
the F one people if there's not that many cards
to go after, they can only go after what's what's
hot right now. But the sustainability of a hobby and
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the reason why bat baseball is so strong is because
you've got more way over one hundred years of history,
more so than any other sport.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Oh yeah, for sure. But the thing that I do
like about F one is it's a global sport and
many countries have made cards through the years. If you
go out on eBay, you'll see there's there are cards
from the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, but there's just not
that many. And plus you know these countries are not
and got destroyed. They're not American exactly. So but I
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do like that. I like to collect some one Manuel
fon Gio cards and he's got cards, you know, all
over the world, and it's it's actually kind of exciting
to see something new pop up that you've never seen before.
So let's see here, Uh, Victor, Hey, Victor, it's good
to see Buddy goes I think Victor win me. I'm
his his a ten x better investment than Jalen Wells.
(48:42):
And another comment, here's Sammy goes Uh. I would read
about card shows in the late sixties and early seventies
being more of collectors and enthusiasts coming together stacks of
cards from table to table. That's very true. I know
doctor Beckett can definitely speak to that.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
First of all, Jalen Wells, even if he wins Rookie
of the Year. I mean, people have think that the
that you get these accolades and attributes, that's not the thing.
You've got to be a superstar. And Jalen well is
not a superstar. He's a really good player and he
might be the best of the rookies this year, certainly
one of the best. Uh. So I would change that Victor.
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I think Victor is one hundred times better, except there's
some downside there. You know. I don't invest in blood clots,
I don't think so that's what was the other part
of it. The card shows, Yeah, the uh it was simpler. Uh.
And I would like to say that there were less
thefts back in those days, but I think there were
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thefts then, just like their thefts now. It wasn't grand
larcenity back in the day because things weren't expensive enough,
but it was petty larceny. But it's still stung and
now it's felony theft. I think when people are stealing
millions of dollars worth of cards, and so there should
be greater protections even with all the cameras, the cameras
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of the sixties and Seid Sammy were your friend's eyeballs.
You know, you're when you went to the bathroom, you
didn't even cover your table. You just told your the
table next to you him, go in the bathroom. I'll
be back in a minute. And people could come and
still look at your table, but if they tried to
take something off it, your your adjacent table holder neighbors
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where he's uh, you know, he'll be back in a minute.
So it was self policing, and I hope we still
have that because I think the camaraderie of being on
a weekend at a show all weekend next to somebody
you ought to you ought to look out for each other.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Well, we've got we've got a lot of comments here
that we have not gotten to. And believe it or not,
this show is almost over. This hour has gone by
very quickly.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
We were going to talk about those two crazy sales
of the uh. I don't know if you want to
just mention that real quick. Yeah, let me that Walt
Disney auto that they bought like a postcard, a beautiful
postcard auto that which costs four thousand dollars or whatever. Yeah,
I don't think that was it. But no, no, but
they cut the auto and they and they cut part
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of the auto to put in a card, and it
just didn't fit. They kind of destroyed the word there
is they destroyed the Walt Disney auto.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, that's h And that card went for fifteen eight
hundred and sixty dollars with a buyer's premium. And I
just to me, it has no I appeal like that.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
No, it has the I appeal. Is it's it's the
I appeal of one of one. So show me a
better copy with the better I appeal. It is the
I appeal. That's a cool card, Like I said, they
they you know, maybe you know, here's the thing. Maybe
underneath in the laminate, maybe the autograph has not been trimmed.
(51:49):
It's just only showing the part that they could show.
Maybe the full autograph is there in the in the
part of the sandwich of the card.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
Yeah, well it was a postcard. I would still either
have in a postcard which sold for four thousand dollars
that actual one. There's a there's an actual check.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, here's here's a check that was sold by Propstein
for five nine and eighty nine dollars. I would much
rather have the check than the card if I'm especially
if I'm going to collect the autograph.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
You say, you can get a postcard of Disney for
around five thousand dollars with a beautiful autograph.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
People like cards. But now what you've pointed out is
that when when there's a if it's Ty Cobb, that
the width of that signature will fit babe ruth if
he doesn't put gh babe in quotes or anything. Uh So,
if it's if it's less than two inches wide the autograph,
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it's it'll it'll fit on a card or maybe two
and a half. But you know, if you're dealing with
a piece of two and a half by three and
a half real estate, you can't. You can't take that
check unless the signature is tight. Otherwise you just need
it as it is. But it's a mazing you you
just you just turned a four thousand dollars autograph into
a fifteen thousand dollars card. I'm with you, Orlando, I'm
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a purist. I think as well. Logan, you know this
original stuff, especially when it's more unique, leave it alone.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
I saw one of one. I was pulled out of
a pack of Babe Ruth like that, but the Babe
half of the card was like blank, and then the
Baby Ruth autographs all the way on the top, almost
right up to the edge, and it just was it
didn't really even look good. And that sold for way
over twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
But see if they made that a two of two,
you know, or one of ten or something like that.
If there's more than one, you can gripe about it.
But if it's one of one, either one, you don't.
You can't wait for a better one. It's not as
pleasing as you'd like, but it's still the bragging rights
of a one of one of an iconic player with
an authentic signature.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
Yeah, are you near two people that want it? And
that's it?
Speaker 2 (54:06):
And they're more than two?
Speaker 3 (54:07):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Well, fellas, it's an hour and two minutes. We are
in hobby hotline overtime right now.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
So if you were John Newman, you would just you'd
say we're just getting started.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Okay, we're just getting started, but you're not. But yeah,
it's been a great show Orlando. Where can they find you?
What have you got coming up?
Speaker 3 (54:33):
My YouTube channel I Collectors Dream What I have coming up?
I just posted the card show video that I just
came from yesterday, the Palm Beach Card Show, and I'm
working my way to Strongsville and hoping to do some
stuff out there. I've got the media pass there, so
I'll be doing a lot of video of Strongsville. The
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show and the YouTube get together so everybody can check
it out.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
That'd be great. So, doctor Beckett, what you got going on?
Speaker 2 (55:00):
I'm going the show next weekend. So if anybody's there,
you know, just tap me on the shoulder. Actually, don't.
If you tap me on the shoulder, don't do it.
Do it slap me on the shoulder. That's better than
tapping me on the shoulder because if I get tapped
on the shoulder, it could creep me out. So just
just punch me in the shoulder and I'll think, oh,
that's somebody from Hobby Hotline. But I'll be there all
weekend pretty much, or maybe not Sunday, but i'll be
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there Thursday, Friday, Saturday. It's always a good time and
uh and I'll be always uh, looking for good podcast
guests and enjoying that still, so that's my main thrust
of putting stuff out there. But thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yes, thanks, doctor Becket. I just will let you know
that when I I take my dog for a walk,
I listen to your podcast. As soon as my dog
hears your your intro music, she knows it's time to
go for a walk.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
As soon as she hears my voice, she knows it's
time to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Well yeah, maybe, so take that that, Mike Petty.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
Okay, doctor Jim, I want to tell you I enjoyed
your uh your talk not only with Mike, but also uh,
the last one you did with.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Those guys are great. Those guys are great. I mean,
I I want to not do only vintage, but I
love doing the vintage with guys like that. It's just
it's terrific.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
Thanks so cool.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah all right, so, uh, with all that being said,
thanks thanks everybody for spending your Saturday with us. We
appreciate Saturday morning.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
Next week we're gonna have more of your hobby favorite hosts.
They'll be on Hobby Hotline and I guess from everyone here,
we will see you folks next Week
Speaker 2 (57:19):
I thanks to Logan
All right, good morning everybody. I hope everybody's doing well.
Welcome to Hobby Hotline. This is episode three thirty five
of Hobby Hotline. I'm your host, Logan Ward, and with
me today is the man known as a Collector's Dream Orlando, Orlando.
How you doing, Buddy, doing great, Logan, that's good to hear.
And the man who needs no introduction, hobby pioneer and icon,
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My good friend, doctor Jim Beckett. How you doing, doctor Jim.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm fine. Maybe I'd like to be a Collector's Dream.
I look a good thing, Orlando.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Thank you, doctor Jim.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Let's check out a few comments real quick here. Uh
we've from Stukes, he says, good morning watching the snow
Milton in Minnesota. So that's uh, that's pretty good. Uh
Man City Brew, Good morning, Peter be says, hello folks,
Hodges he gave a video like already, so I guess
like the video if y'all don't mind, he says, Hey,
everybody got Larry Gitlan, Good morning to all my favorites.
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Good to see Larry. Authentic sports car Dad says, cheers.
Gordon says, aloha, so he's in. I believe he's in
Hawaii and uh, let's see we've got uh Mookie there
there there's old MOOKI uh he said, this is this
is a dream team. Good morning friends, Good morning Mookie.
It's good to see you at the National Happy Sunday happy.
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Oh yeah, okay, yeah, he's uh he's in another time zone,
so it's Sunday for him.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Ruben says, I was looking like the silver like a
silver Fox Mail model.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Thank you, Ruben.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I have to agree with that.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Most interesting being in the world.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, exactly, Rondelle says, Hi, guys getting a lot of
and Ziggie's on here. Cheers Doctor beck Beckett, and he says, says,
good good day Orlando. All right, so I think we're
caught up for the moment. Really quick. Before the show started,
I went out to AI and I asked AI to
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create a picture in Van Goes style of the Hobby
Hotline hosts, Doctor Beckett myself in Orlando. So this is
what it came up with, and I thought it was
absolutely hilarious. Let me let me find the picture here.
Here you go, guys. I don't know why it thinks
Hobby Hotline collects rabbit, but that's what it gave us
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like triplets, we kind of did. I'm trying to figure
out who's who. I guess doctor Jim, you're probably in
the middle there, and the fellow on the left kind
of looks like Chris Harris. But uh, yeah, I just
I just thought that was interesting. I thought it was funny.
The other picture it generated was was with a bunch
of guitars, but I thought the bunny one was funny.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
As collectors, we do go to rabbit holes sometimes.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
That's a good one, man, I like that. All right,
let me check some more comments. See where we are.
Let's see Rondell. He's on the bus from Florida to
New York.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Wow, that's Roco's wife.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Oh right, okay, yeah, okay, Rocko.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Because he's he's blind, he's one of the he's the
most famous blind collector.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
That's awesome. Yeah, and let's see TD sports. Good morning,
and Ziggy says magic of Grading. Okay, all right, so
I guess we can get out onto our very first
subject this morning. Uh and it's tops tops Rip Night.
So did you you guys go to tops Rip night
at all?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Not me?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
No, I did not. Yesterday I did talk to h
Aaron from a mint at the card show because he
was there, and you know, he told me it was
very busy, very big event. They had a hobby you know.
I got trade night also and give away cards. He
said it was pretty big.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
He's a local card shop here in uh in Fort
Lauderdale on there Fort Lot. But I didn't. I didn't attend,
but I heard it was very big.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, it's it was a very big event here as well.
R R l C s is. It's very narrow, but
it's a very long building and they were packed. They
showed me some pictures. I wish I had them. I did.
I should have asked them for him, but they said
they were packed. They said it was actually amazing. It's
a huge turnout.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
So anytime Tops does stuff like that, I think it's great.
Of course, awesome for the hobby. You know, hopefully it
brings new kids into the hobby, you know, because kids
will bring friends, and even friends hopefully don't don't collect.
So I think it's a always a great, great deal
when they do that. I think they need to do
more of that, you know. Similar it's kind of like
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a mini fanatics fest is kind of thing. And there
were some athletes and some of the bigger you know,
card shops. I heard, so, so that's always great, you know,
to have the athletes involved in ripping packs with the gether.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Oh, I totally agree, doctor Beckett. You have any thoughts, Well,
I just think it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Uh, you know, it's a it's a great activity anyway,
but when you throw in some big time celebrities, I mean,
I don't know how they even do the crowd control.
If they know in advance that somebody big is going
to be there, it's incredible. Again, you're going to come
for the celebrities and hopefully, as Orlando said, stay for
the cards. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I think it's a good bell weather for the hobby.
You get to see a lot of people there, you know,
the people, you know, the crowd just I mean, I
think that's just you know, it just shows how strong
the hobby is right now.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I had some guys come up to me at the
last show that I know that I had no idea.
They were collectors. They've never said anything about it even
they just got back into it. They were bringing their kids.
Their kids were between ten and fifteen, and it was cool.
It was cool. They just they kind of showed up,
tapped me on the shoulder and I went, oh, okay,
I had to get reoriented. But they were into it too.
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I mean they had been they'd been dormant and came
back because they're kids, and some of the kids were Pokemon.
It's but a bunch of them were sports cards too.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
That's great. I know that RLCs. They said they gave
away some things and they had They didn't have any
celebrities or anything there it. I guess it would have
been nice if they had maybe some minor leaguers or something,
but they didn't. They didn't have anybody. But they told
me the turnout was incredible, that the store was packed
like sardines. So I think that's, like I said, I
think that's a good bell weather for the hobby.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So the hobby it's always been strong. When the mission
fee is zero and you're getting free gifts, you know,
so it's a it's an amazing enticement because we love stuff.
We love swag, and so when it's when it's a
pertinent swag, it's stuff that we collect. What's better than that.
They could charge a mission.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
They could charge admission, Yeah, they could, and people would
still turn out. You're right.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
It's just a great family night. It's a great chance
to just get out and do something with the kids.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, that's true. Uh, you know, we had a card
show that day. I wanted to go because I just
wanted to experience one. I've never been to one, and uh,
I just I was I was just too tired. I said,
the heck with it, I'm just going to go on home.
But I hate now that I missed it. It looked
like it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, they gave away pass of cards. I think it
was like there was a fifteen card set of you know,
all stars with parallel stuff in there, so you know,
for free. The kids are thrilled.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh yeah, the kids. The kids eat that up. I
know when I'm at a show and some little kids
that they come up, you know, I'll find something to
give to them, and they get so excited and over
just you know, just any kind of card there they
and I'm glad to see that. That's really Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I did something with Rich where we were talking about
how did people spend their time in the hobby and
what what what's kind of the way you decide what
you want to do in the after or evening or whatever.
But on an evening, you can go to the movies
that would cost you go to a ball game that
would cost a lot more. You can watch a ball
game on TV of your favorite sport, or you could
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go to a Rip Knight. I think Rip Knight wins.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Oh definitely. Yeah. My son, he's uh, I think he's
thirty five now, he really didn't he collects he collects football,
but he really didn't want to go, So that would
have been nice to have gone with him again. So
here's a comment, Rondell. The hobby is in a definite
up swing. Last show I attend had lots of young
people and kids, and that's very true. I know that
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the last two shows we've had here locally, the attendance
has just been off the charts and it's you know,
I have set up with a buddy of mine as
a as a dealer, and they were two of the
best shows we've ever had since we come back to
become dealers at the shows. It's definitely strong right now
and I'm glad to see it. See Ziggy's got a question.
He's had lots of criticism on fanatics, distribution and retail breaks.
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Any thoughts. How different is this from past distribution to
hostale distribution like blowout.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well number one, I'm proud of Fanatics for saying it,
for declaring that's that's more information than we would get
back in the old days. There was a perception that
most of the product went to wholesale hobby distributors, and
Fanatics is kind of indicated that they're moving away from
that old model. And so if forty percent going to lcs,
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that's good. If forty percent are going to breakers, that's
just what it is. You know, on the high end product,
it may be higher than that, and twenty percent go
into retail. I like that. You've got to get some
retail out there, but I don't want it to be
mainly retail. I just want every card shop that wants
to have access to these products can get it. If
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that's the case, then that's fine. I don't want Breakers
to be the primary mode of distribut and it looks
like they're moving that way because Fanatics has their own platform.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, yeah, agree completely with doctor Beckett. The only thing
I think is that you got to remember forty to Breakers,
that's pretty much their Fanatics space, that's their marketing tool.
That's their marketing end, and you know, those breakers are
going to be hitting those hits and that's going to
encourage the other the retail sales and all the other sales.
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The problem with that, I see is that the breakers
tend to be the ones that raise the prices of
the boxes or decide the box prices of the boxes,
which affects you know, just you going on and buying
an average box somewhere else. But you know, for them
it's working, Fanatics, I think that's the way they're they're
marketing their products the best, and especially on their own site.
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I mean it's like a double duty marketing blitz, you know.
And that's Remember they're not interested in a lot of
the venture stuff. They're interested in marketing the stuff, and
that's really what their focus is, what that those cards
are worth four or five years from now. They're not
interested in any of that stuff. They just want to
move product, print product, and go from that. And the
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breakers are the way to promote it the best, the best,
and it's working for them. But as long as we
have access, I think that's what counts.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Excellent points, Orlando, I'm going to go even further in
that when you've got Breakers getting this product and changing
the price of the product. Fanatics benefits. Price goes up,
and so whereas in the old system with the distributors,
the card companies sold the product to the distributors and
then they the price floated and they made the incremental
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you know, when the price went up, it was pocketed
by the distributors. And so empirically, I think we can
see if there's a good run on a certain product,
the price is going to go up. Demand has increased,
and Fanatics now has figured out they're going to be
cut in. Price goes up. They benefit even more because
they're because they're fanatics, live people are are in their system.
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So it's it's insidious and it's uh it's it's what
you'd expect from a company that wants to ten x
the hobby and hopefully they're going to plow these extra
profits back into reinvestment in the category.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, I think I think that, Uh, I think that's
good that they they let us know this how the
distribution model works. Breakers are here to stay. I you know,
love them or hate them, We're gonna have Breakers for
for a long time, for the foreseeable future. So just
part of the current modern hobby. So yeah, I'm glad
to see that. So let me catch up on a
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few more comments here. Mike Petty says, uh, rip Knight
is cheaper even buying an eight K box of nebulas. Okay,
Uh Warren say is high? Ziggy, Uh, you really appreciate
your comments, Doctor Backett. Hope everybody, hope others are listening.
We're my l c s. Cannot afford Panini. Mike Petty says,
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give it all to breakers, they are the best. We
love you, Mike Petty. Uh, Ziggy says Bingo. A lot
of comments going on here, uh d r Wou'd love
to hear doctor Beckett's thoughts about the tariffs in Canada
and China and how they could impact the hobby. In fact,
that's gonna be our next subject, so we might as
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well go to uh. The next next thing we want
to talk about is uh the tariffs for p s A.
So that that that question kind of goes hand in
hand with this. So uh PSA made the announcement and
I've got it right here. They're gonna have tariffs on
their nights. We're gonna be accepting submissions from Canada. Mexico, China.
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I believe so some thoughts fellas doctor Beckett, I'm gonna
go to you first.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
The p s A another brilliant move. You know, the
hobby loves scarcity. The hobby loves for people to be told, sorry,
we're we're gonna be doing uh, we're changing up the system.
We're going to be restricting and so you better get
your cards in or you've got or there's an opportunity
because we're gonna have some extra capacity. So I think
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PSA is a brilliant announcement because it's not that big
a deal. Number One, I thought they had an office
over in Japan and so the Chinese could go that direction.
The Canadians they already have a submission center in Canada,
so they're not really affected. And Mexico is not a
huge market for PSA, and I'm sure they could drive
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across the border, even with the Trump's tightened up border.
You get in southern California, you can get across the board.
So I think it's it's something that's going to blow over.
It's allowed PSA to grab the spotlight that they're being
proactive in a way that causes you to think, hey,
how's this gonna affect me? Maybe I need to get
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some cards in there and all that. So I think
it's another good move from PSA to for It's kind
of like industry leadership. The tariffs are coming and here's
our response to it. So, you know, I wish they
were this forthright on a lot of things, on everything,
but on this issue they've taken the lead, and good
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for them.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So, Orlando, you got any thoughts.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Well, I mean, when you think about it, it doesn't
affect me. It doesn't affect anybody here in the United States,
you know, for the PSA part of it, so, you know,
and that's where the majority of their customers are. But
like doctor Beckett said, there's ways around it, you know.
But overall, the entire tariff situation, I think between the
Canada and I really feel that's just gonna be temporary.
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I don't think that's gonna last for very long. You know,
it may only be thirty sixty ninety days. We'll see
what happens. But for the most part, people will work
a way around it and figure out a way to
get things done and not have to pay some massive
and stuff like that, you know, with the products and
stuff that are coming from China. I mean, you know,
last time around, there was a teriff on China, and
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China absorbed most of the tariff, you know, in products
that were sending to us. You know, we'll see what
happens now, but uh, you know, I mean, you know,
we're talking about you know what products from China, top
loaders and things like that, you know what I'm thinking.
And the plastics probably, but there'll be a way to
get those plastics here made here in the United States
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or somehow some way. I'm sure that that's something, you know, eventually,
some some business and people will take advantage of certain
things like that and uh, you know, and do what
it takes to make some money somehow some way, maybe
do some produce them here. But I don't really think
it's gonna affect us that much. And some of the ones,
especially from Canada, I think those are going I agree.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You know. I didn't do some looking around, and I
did not see any other grading companies talk about tariffs.
I didn't see Beckett talk about it, adn't ce CGC
talk about it. None of them said anything about the tariffs.
So PSA was the only one to do that. Are
they affected, you guys think or no.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't think they're that affected by it. I mean
I think they're they're they're what They're done a million,
more than a million cards a month, So I don't
And and Ryan Stazynski is tracking. We'll see if it
goes down in the next month or two. I doubt
that it will appreciably because again, people are going to say, hey,
there's an opportunity I get a better turnaround when I
send in my my own stuff. Now, I visited over
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at Fanatics a number of weeks ago. Now I'm just
telling you. They they they aren't the only one, but
they were already anticipating that. They have a huge, huge
operation there and I got a tour of that looked around.
They are every major business in this industry should have
and probably did anticipate this because we've known it's been
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coming since the election. And how how it finally works out,
I think the bar will be worse than the bite,
but it's but most of these companies, including my old company,
I'm sure, ordered ahead and stockpiled some things that were
from those affected countries because you already knew. I mean
it was so any rate, it's it's gonna blow over. Uh.
(18:20):
And yet it's it's good to have more than a
single source for some of these products. If you're a
single source. Uh, just like with COVID when when shipping
got way behind it, it messed people up. I don't
think they're caught with their pants down anymore. I think
people have ample uh you know, slab stock, whatever it is,
the you know, the plastic. They can't afford to be short.
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I mean, it's too important to their business.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, I'm sure that they've stocked up and they're probably
sitting on pallets of slabs right now. And I don't
I don't think it's going to affect them very much
at all.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
See, Ziggy's got another comment. Retail values will be impacted
by tariffs. A case of prison for ten k will
cost more, makes breaking cards and ship my cards look
look the best option.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Well the other thing, and I'm not sure about the
case of prism that I will say this, it's an
excuse for companies to raise prices even if they're not
affected by the tariffs. He's, oh, there's some tariffs, so
I've read to raise my prices ten percent. But again,
this is a market that's driven by demand and demand
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in the secondary market. If it doesn't, if the price
doesn't stick, you know, but a lot of times the
price does stick, but I hope it doesn't. If people
are overcharging for things, say no and wait for the
price to go down, And unfortunately it doesn't usually work
that way.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, her thoughts war excuse me, he thoughts Orlando.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I think he said it off. We'll wait and see
what happens. I mean, we may not be talking about
this two three months from now.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, the hobby has a short, short term memory anyway,
so yeah, probably probably so all right, So I guess
let's catch up on a few more comments. See, we've
got Sammy Thunder says, good morning everybody. He's uh, he's
glad to finally catch the live stream. It's good to
have you on, Sammy, and uh Warren says same here Sammy,
and then Mookie's like, Warren, Sammy, Yeah, there you go.
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So a lot of a lot of high highs going
back and forth. Lows uh Dr says it feels like
it will impact the hobbyists versus yeah. So yeah, I mean,
in the end, it's always going to be the consumer
that it pays for it no matter what. D R
also says it feels like it will hurt the hobbies
more than the business. Yes, for sure, I totally totally
(20:30):
agree with that.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, going to pass on the cost.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Oh yeah, that's that's the way that it. Uh Cooter says,
it's going to be a loss of disposable income that
impacts the hobby and the lost consumer the and the
lost consumer confidence. UH has the volatility in the markets.
Cards don't feed families, That's true. I mean I use
discretionary income and extra income to buy cards. I don't
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use my money to pay my electric bill by card.
Uh terriffs her consumers, not countries historically, you know, that's
very true. HEYMOOKI a lot of comments going on. This
is great to see the chag very active. Ziggi says,
uh what not has declared themselves a platform like YouTube
and will not monitor sellers. Should fanatics live get more
(21:15):
credit for actually having standards and monitoring, you know, that's
that's another big thing. I think what not said that
they have discontinued the replay of their live streams, so
you can't go back and see if anybody's doing maybe
something shady or something. Any thoughts on that, guys.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
There's a battle guys, and the battle between you, between
the Fanatics and whatnot. I wouldn't bet against Fanatics. I
mean they control the distribution. Uh they It's it's not
that they have standards in monitoring as much as they
can enforce them. They have the big they have the
big stick. So if somebody in Fanatics Live gets out
(21:55):
of line, they got to toe the line what not,
it's gonna look like a renegade platform.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah, Fanatics and definitely Fanatics has more to lose. You know,
they do something bad happens on their platform because you know,
their tentacles go everywhere versus just whatnot. So it's, uh,
they're gonna keep a good eye on these guys more
and more than I think what not. It's like doctor
Beckett said, you know whatnet is more kind of like,
uh they're out there.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, they're you know, they don't have quite the standards
that Fanatics has. So yeah, it's I see that. I
see Fanatics probably winning that battle probably.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Looking a few more comments great hobby community, Gordon says, uh,
where are the tops and Panini cards manufactured? We know
the top loader sleeves and sheets are made in Asia. Well,
I know for sure that the cards are made here
in the US. A lot of them are in Dallas,
in doctor doctor Beckett's backyard as a matter of fact.
And then I know Panini uh since uh, since tops
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and everybody, they control the printing facilities. I know Pina
has gotten you know, gone over to some other printing
facilities as well. So all that stuff is done here.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
So the more complicated is the more it's done in
the US. If you're just doing you know, supplies, uh there,
you know that that's just that's a that's a brute
force mass, you know, production line thing. Whereas the cards,
especially modern cards with all the different game used autographs,
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insert ratios and stuff like that, that that the assembly
of that is really complicated and it's and it's valuable,
so you know, to have controls and to do it,
like you said, in the backyard. Uh, it's actually in
my side yard.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Very few printing plants can print cards like this.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Well, they can print them, but they can't they can't
do the specialty stuff, the basic ink and color on
card stock. Lots of people can do that, but the
even the guilty cutting or the or the laser cutting
and the insert ratios. It's it's extremely sophisticated.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, there are many layers to creating those cards, you know,
to get all the shininess, to get all the different
patterns and you know, all just all the things that
go into it. It's it's a very complicated process. It
just takes like I said, it takes many steps in
many layers to get that done. So and Doc Doctor
Beckett's exactly right. Not everybody can do that. It's I know,
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I think Pinini, you know, it was a challenge for
them to try to find other printers that could do
what they were doing previously down in Dallas. That's that's
that's a big part of it for sure. And I
know the packout facilities are also I believe in Texas
as well, where they pack everything out, so all all
that is done completely done here in the good old
US of As. I'm glad for that for sure. So uh, people,
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I have.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
A theory that there are enough penny sleeves, top loaders
and card savers in the universe already that if none
were ever made, they just were redistributed. You know, think
about the grading company. I think they're dumpstering all the
card savers that things are submitted into. If things were recycled,
(25:12):
I think we'd have enough for sure, penny sleeves and yeah,
guard savers, top loaders, we've got enough. Just just don't
throw them away, just recycle them or you know, reuse them. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I've often wondered what happens to all the cards saver
ones and all the penny sleeves that I send to PSA.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I think they're ground up. I think they're ground up,
and you know.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Some they're basically I mean, think about it. They fifteen
million cards a year they grade. Look at how many
penny sleeves fifteen million at least just that tons, tons
of stuff. It could be recycled. Who knows some maybe
one day.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, I would like to see PSA maybe you know,
reuse them. Maybe you can resell them. I don't know
if that's even a thing, but you know, it would
be nice just have them recycled in that fashion, you know,
maybe buy a penny cheaper. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I had a friend that was involved with reverse logistics,
and it's basically after stuff, it's like this, and the
problem is the cost of sorting them out or dealing
with them is more than the value of what they
would get if you pulled out the nice ones or
any processing of it that's not mechanized is not worth it.
(26:22):
So just put in the dumpster move on because that's
not their main business, right I Yeah, they said I'll
give you a hundred bucks for the dumpster full of
the used card savers, they'd say, sure, and then you'd
have to get a truck. You have to get them out,
all that stuff, and you know, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
They can donate them to Goodwill and then maybe Goodwill
can sell them out and whoever buys some sorts.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Of I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It just seems like a huge waste to me to
waste that many pennies leaves in card saver.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, but if the if the tariffs were one hundred
percent from China and they're doubling overnight, then show me that
dumpster again.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
This is true. Yeah, I'd definitely be a dumpster diver
for sure on something like that. A lot of comments
whatnot is nothing like YouTube. Strange comparison, very very different platforms,
And that's very true. Let's see zig Ziggy is it's
good to see Ziggy out there, Rip Night, debut patches,
player involvement. The hobby is strong and growing. Applaud fanatics
(27:27):
they butter my bread. Yeah, the hobby. I agree, the
hobby is strong, definitely.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Sure, let's talk about the debut patches.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, that's that. That's a good segue into debut patches.
So recently the Associated Press printed an article about the
the debut patches and how the young players are trying
to collect their own patches. And I thought that was
a really great article. Uh, I'm sure you guys have
probably read it, doctor Beckett. Uh what do you think
(27:57):
about it?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
I mean, against the news, it's anything that's in the
news that's positive like that is good. And anything that's
getting the players talking about the hobby, involved in the hobby,
participating in the hobby, those are that's all good. That's
all good. I mean, that's I mean, this is a
dream come true. You know, if you think ten but
ten years ago, to imagine that collectors, that players would
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be collecting their own cards other than Jannis Antetokumpo, who was,
you know, surreptitiously doing it, but these young baseball players,
I think it's awesome.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I think that's one of the best things that's happened
in the hobby, not only the debut patches themselves being
an incredibly great idea, but just to have the athletes
not only become collectors, but you know, these are people
that the fans look up to. So a lot of
kids that were not collectors saying, wow, Polski's is a collector.
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I want to be a collector. I want to look
into that or I've never so I think all of
that is going to just draw people in the hobby.
And like doctor Jim says, anytime you're in the national
news in a positive way, you know, the cart hobby
is I think it's always great news. And the thing
with the debut patches is that you know, we're getting
more and more every year, and Logan, we talked about
(29:16):
this before that there was what I think ninety one
the first year and this year there's two hundred and
fifty one. So that also gives us collectors a chance
to pull one out of a pack other than just
you know, the few that they had. And I think
they're going to expand that further, you know, have even
more and more players eventually, and I just hope they
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don't go all the way and start getting college guys
or who know, high school patch cards.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, you can have Opening Day patches each year. There's
there's lots of things they can do with this, but
most things in the hobby get beaten to death by repetition,
so I hope they'll exercise some restraint. But it's a
wonderful concept.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
It definitely is. And I was looking at eBay looking
at some of the recent sales, and this may be
kind of hard to see, but you can see some
of these, you know, even the non Paul Skins debut patch.
I mean there's one for ten thousand dollars for It's
hard to see, it's like landing not but you can
see some of the sales, I mean, sixty five hundred
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and six thousand, fifty four nine. So it's pretty strong
for just even the regular player patches, not even talking
about Paul schemes and.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
The other thing that that's doing. I think it's redefining
what the best card of that paer will be in
the future. I think that this patch card will be
their best card. So sometimes you don't know with all
the rookie cards everything being out there, of course it's
going to be the top of the high end, but
I think that's going to be the best card of
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each of those players.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Probably, right.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, And I love until the.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Next big thing.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah, there's always the next big thing.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I like the fact that some of the families are
have secretly been getting these cards for their you know,
their their player relatives, and I just think it's really neat.
They've been given them to for Christmas and for birthdays
and things, and I just I really like to see that.
A great thing. Try to catch up on some more
comments here. Mike Petty says he thinks ps A they
(31:21):
are recycling. Less than one percent of their plastics is recyclable.
The rest is landfilled unless they incinerate, which is ten
times more expensive here in California. I'm sure burning anything
in California is not an easy thing.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Rex.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
He says, those distribution numbers are not correct. They take
into account all the DTC sales from Tops and Fanatics
or online sales from the Big three.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
So.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Both are right. I think I'm not sure those Rex's
point is well taken if that's the case, but I
think the numbers were not for were for hobby packout product,
not for the whole industry, not for their companies, and
not even for all of fanatics business. It's just that
when they produce a hobby box or a box of cards,
a box of unopen product words, a go twenty forty forty,
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the direct consumer, you know, the tops now and all
these things, that also is a huge business. I'm sure
double digit is certainly double digit in profits, but that's
I don't think. I think their point here was was
just to break out those three things. That retail is smaller,
which I think is good because you know, when we
got into problems with the junk wax era, retail was
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a big part of the which sure was.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
It was literally everywhere you could go anywhere and buy it.
It was incredible back then. I like, I like what
Mike Patty says breaking news hobby Hotline reaches an all
time high and not mentioning wimby thirty five minutes in
counting boy Zigg says, pink pant pink cancer patches are
(32:58):
coming and they will tie into the cancer too. That's
actually would be a really good thing. I think. I
think that would bring a lot of awareness. And you've
probace did some good prices for some of those patches,
Mad City says, how many one of ones can a
player have in a year? Way too many. There are
a lot of one of ones, no doubt. It makes
you makes you think about one of the ones. Mad
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City Bruce says two to three k at mad City
brew sounds about right able in Vegas. It's a hard
ratio to determine if some hobby shops who get product
could should go to group breaks versus selling the box
into one person. You know, there's a lot of opinions
on that.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, because a lot of shops now do do breaking
also well.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
But again, once it gets to the ship, if they
set if Fanatics is just saying what they did, they
sent their product to LCS right and breakers. Most of
that's probably Fanatics Live and then twenty percent to retail,
which is I thought the numbers were encouraging. But what
people do you know, whether they break it in the
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shop or like JASPI my old buddy. You know, they
they've got a shop, but then they've got a huge
breaking operation, which which does that count ass It probably
counts as a breaker. But they do have a physical
card shop now too. Jeff Wilson cards HQ, same thing.
They have a card shop, but they're doing a lot
of breaking.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, I stopped there. I went to VAL's house earlier
this year or actually last year, and on my way
back from Vals, I stopped at cards HQ. It was
an impressive place. You know, they've got all separate booths
where people can do breaking. It's really an incredible facility.
You know, love him or hate him, it's a great
card shop. I love the way they display the grading cards.
(34:42):
They have boxes, you know, behind glass cases and you
have to ask somebody to go, hey, I want this box,
and they'll come and unlock and give you the box.
I mean I liked the shop. I really did. I
had a great experience. So it's more important.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Is fanatics likes the shop. Yes like your see yes
if they if it looks like last century, then that's you.
You're going to have to upgrade, I think, to be
in fanatics good graces because they believe that that's how
we're going to tenex the hobby by by increasing the
the I appeal of the hobby.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, it's it's a lot about the consumer experience for sure.
Because I was I was impressed, you know, walking in there.
I mean when you. When you see it from the outside,
it's in it like a shopping center kind of thing.
But when you go in, you forget about where you are.
You're you're in, you're You're just enveloped into this experience
of trading cards. And you've got a lot of like
(35:37):
minded people there. And the place when I went there
was absolutely pat Uh. I could not it was. It
took a few minutes for me to flag somebody down
to say, hey, I want to buy this box of
cards right here. So you know, that's a good thing
for them, and it's a good thing for the hobby.
I really like, I said, I enjoyed the experience. So
uh a few more comments. Oh, Mike, Petty's glad to
(35:59):
see you laugh there, Doctor Jim, he said, he made
you laugh. He said he can quit trying now. KB says,
we are in the junk one of one era. I
don't know about that. May you know there are a
lot of one ones. I mean, even for what I collect.
I'm a racing guy. Uh, there's a tremendous amount of
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one of the ones created by Panini. But uh still
I get excited when I get one, So I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna complain about it.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I will tell Peter b that we are in a
junk slab era because there's a lot of cards that
aren't worth the slab that they're in at.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
This Oh that is so true.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Uh. At the last card show here, a buddy of
mine and myself we bought a lot of sixty three
thousand cards and there's some junk wax cards in there,
but we found some some gems in there. But when
you look at the prices for grading, like a PSA
ten is, you know, say one hundred and fifty dollars,
then a PSA nine is like ten dollars, it's not
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worth taking the chance to grade that card. So you
know it's in my body's going we should grade it.
I'm going no, I don't know that we want to
grade these because you know they're they're probably probably not
worth grading.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You know, we talk about there's not that many complete
set collectors anymore, and that's true, but there's also not
people that anymore because of three thousand and one of ones.
They can't say I'm going to be a super collector
and I'm going to get all the one of ones
of any player, even an obscure player. It is I
think literally it's probably virtually impossible because one person. And
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so it's it's changed the thought of collecting that I
have to have everything, that I have to be complete.
It's which is I just want to have a great collection,
and I want to add cards that I like. But
it's just if you're a perfectionist, you're just freaking out
because you can't get all three thousand, one of ones
of your of your player, even if you had the money.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
This is yeah, for sure. A few more comment.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
It's even the player. If a player says, you know,
I am a serious collector, I'm gonna get all of
my one on ones one of ones, and so anybody's
got a one of one of me, they can bring
it to me and I will autograph, I will give
them some swag. I'll give them a jersey, they can
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sit in the suite with me or whatever. You know,
I'll hang out with them for a day. They still
wouldn't get them all. Never you'll be collectors that are
trying to get a lot of their cards, they won't
be able to. So it makes the idea of a
quest is it's not just you get fined it. You
gotta find it. Then you've got to work out a deal.
And some of these things are not for sale.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
This is true. I've got several one of ones. I've
got some Dale Earnhard Junior and Senior. One of ones
that I've had a lot of people say, Hey, I
want to buy those. It's like, hey, you're not gonna
buy those because I'm not selling them. You know, it's
just not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
And you're probably never selling. That's gonna be one of
those cards that are going what I call a black hole.
They go with someone's collection and they never come out.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You know, my my collection. I guess you could say
that it's probably a black hole because I rarely sell anything.
So when it comes in, it's it's like the Roach motel.
They check it, cards check in, they don't check. So, uh,
let's see here able in Vegas, he says, Burbank Sports
Cards is going into a major expansion. You I've heard
about that. Uh, they took over a Walgreens location. Let's
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see how innovative they get with that space. Yeah, it'd
be nice to see what what they do with their
new space. I don't know if they're going to try
to mimic cards HQ or not, or maybe have some
of their own new ideas. I guess we'll see what
happens with that. That'll be pretty be pretty neat to see.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Well, uh yeah, there's three components, four components now. So
the one component that that Burbank is mastered is to
be able to buy in their shop. They have a
line out the door, they take they take appointments to
buy cards. Another area they have that's state of the art,
is unopened and they have multiple walls of unopened product.
(40:03):
And then the third is the showcase of of single
cards and stuff like that. The fourth what Jeff Wilson
has done, which Rob will undoubtedly be doing, is the
recording studios, the you know, and maybe even a fifth thing,
which is a trade area or something. We're a congregating area,
(40:25):
community tables where people could could just enjoy the hobby
and trade back and forth, just making it more of
a community center. If he's got the room, he can
do that. In the old days, he just keep getting
keeps getting bigger. But when you're in retail, every square
foot or every linear foot, every cubic foot whatever has
(40:45):
to has to return. And so I'm excited. I definitely
want to see when he gets set up. I've seen
I think I've seen all the iterations of his stores,
and this will be bigger and better and very exciting.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, I'm excited to see it. I want to make
a field trip one day out to his shop and
to p s A. It's very rare that I get
out to California or even the West Coast, you know,
I'm kind of down here in the South, but I do.
I do want to make that a destination to go
see his shop for sure, especially the new shop. So
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doctor Beckett looks like Sammy Thunder's got a question for you,
He said he was listening yesterday to your latest GAOC
with Mike. You discussed card shows. What caused the shift
in card shows becoming more of a business model.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
It's an excellent question, except they don't really understand it fully.
I think card shows haven't many card shows. They have
not shifted at all. They have the same business model
of you know, some admission fee and some dealers paying
for their tables and showcases. Signers coming u now with
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a trade night, which is another bonus. So I think
they've just gotten bigger and more complicated, and the sponsors.
You know, in the early days there weren't any sponsors.
There were just mainly was the dealers getting together and
paying for it. So I think it's I don't know
if this is what Sammy's getting at, but it's sort
of going to be survival of the fittest because in Dallas,
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from year over year, the number of shows has doubled,
and it's because of the success of Kyle's big shows.
But now every one of Kyle's big shows has a
smaller show the week before and a smaller show the
week after, and sometimes multiple in the metroplex. And I'm
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really talking about Dallas, not even fort Worth. If it's
fort Worth, it's East fort Worth, it's forty five minutes away.
Within forty five minutes. I have eight shows in the
next four weeks. And so the business model is making
your show stand out, having some reason why you have
to be there, And Kyle's done that. These smaller, medium
(42:59):
sized shows, Uh, I don't know that they can all
make it. You gotta have great dealers, You gotta have
enough attendance to make it worth it for the dealers.
And you know, if you just have a token signer.
That's that's not very exciting anymore. So I'm not sure
what the question, Sammy, but the evolution or this this
(43:20):
adaptation is important and generally good, and especially with Kyle,
who knows what he's doing. He's he's doing other cities
now and so I guess the other thing is that
they're they're more being many of them, the successful ones
are being run by people with business savvy. In the
early days, it was just it was just a collector
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that said, hey, we ought to have a show in
town here, let's get together and have a show. But
now these are these are full time promoters. They know
what they're doing, they're and and like I said, they're
part of the ten Xing. So I wish him great success.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, I think that's that's the key right there. You know,
from the old days of just a bunch of colllectors
putting together a show where you could leave your table
walk to the another table, and I mean those days
are gone, and what's happened now is that it's become
a business. Like Samy said, if you don't run a
show like a marketing person, you're not going to be successful.
(44:17):
And you know, collectors in the old days. You know,
we were just collectors.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
We try to get a bunch of friends and do
whatever we could, but we're not experts now. He shows
need to be turned over to somebody who is knows marketing.
For example, the Strongsville show, they contacted me because I
did some video of the show and they offered me
a media pass and I talked to the guy. This
guy is a marketing professional that came from a big
(44:44):
you know company. I won't mention the names and stuff,
but he was literally hired by Strongsville Group to promote
the event. So I think that's the part of the
business that's that's got it. You've got to do, and
it's taken over to get some promoters that are going
to reach out to different medias, different people, different ways
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to attract people to the show. And those are the
ones that are gonna be successful. The other ones that
are gonna go.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
You know, our local card show is run by a collector.
You know, he he just does it. I guess he
does it just to make some side money and you know,
to help the hobby.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
He's not a business. He's not making this into a
business or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
He just does this purely for the love of the hobby,
and you know, to make a little extra money. He's
he he's not in the business of promoting card shows,
so it's for him. It's just a little side gig
that he does to help out the community. So that's
how it works here.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Well, So he builds the business there there there. It's
it's way easier to have a chain of shows across
the country than it is to have a chain of
l s s. Running a card show is easier than
running an l CS And so it wouldn't surprise me
if there were continued roll ups of promoters. You know,
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a bigger promoter is going to come in with bigger
marketing budget and all that stuff. So if the Memphis
show gets built up to two under tables instead of
one under tables, then all of a sudden, it's ripe
for somebody poaching or coming in. This is true.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yes, he can sell them.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Happen and it could be Fanatics. I mean, Fanatics kind
of has has stepped back to reevaluate doing shows, not
just the fests. But I think they want to be
in that part of the business too.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Oh, I don't think there's any part of the business
that Fanatics doesn't want to be a part of right now.
So Mike Petty says that PSA will be doing something
very special at Burbank Sports Cards, He's told, so that'll
be interesting to see what comes out of that. Zeggi
says he loves black Hole collectors. We need more. How
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do we growth that group? I know that for sure
as a racing guy. You know, I'm NASCAR, I'm not
F one, But I've noticed that the F one community
seems to be more of flip flip flip flip, cell
cell sell It doesn't seem to be a community of
I collect whereas the NASCAR guys are more of collectors.
(47:17):
So yeah, I agree, we need to need to grow
that group for sure.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Well, there's what is vintage F one. It's it's a
short list.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
There's a very short list.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I mean, if if you don't define vintage as being
pre seventy two or something, if you define vintage as
you know, last century, there's a lot of good racing
stuff out there, so you can't. So I don't blame
the F one people if there's not that many cards
to go after, they can only go after what's what's
hot right now. But the sustainability of a hobby and
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the reason why bat baseball is so strong is because
you've got more way over one hundred years of history,
more so than any other sport.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Oh yeah, for sure. But the thing that I do
like about F one is it's a global sport and
many countries have made cards through the years. If you
go out on eBay, you'll see there's there are cards
from the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, but there's just not
that many. And plus you know these countries are not
and got destroyed. They're not American exactly. So but I
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do like that. I like to collect some one Manuel
fon Gio cards and he's got cards, you know, all
over the world, and it's it's actually kind of exciting
to see something new pop up that you've never seen before.
So let's see here, Uh, Victor, Hey, Victor, it's good
to see Buddy goes I think Victor win me. I'm
his his a ten x better investment than Jalen Wells.
(48:42):
And another comment, here's Sammy goes Uh. I would read
about card shows in the late sixties and early seventies
being more of collectors and enthusiasts coming together stacks of
cards from table to table. That's very true. I know
doctor Beckett can definitely speak to that.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
First of all, Jalen Wells, even if he wins Rookie
of the Year. I mean, people have think that the
that you get these accolades and attributes, that's not the thing.
You've got to be a superstar. And Jalen well is
not a superstar. He's a really good player and he
might be the best of the rookies this year, certainly
one of the best. Uh. So I would change that Victor.
(49:16):
I think Victor is one hundred times better, except there's
some downside there. You know. I don't invest in blood clots,
I don't think so that's what was the other part
of it. The card shows, Yeah, the uh it was simpler. Uh.
And I would like to say that there were less
thefts back in those days, but I think there were
(49:37):
thefts then, just like their thefts now. It wasn't grand
larcenity back in the day because things weren't expensive enough,
but it was petty larceny. But it's still stung and
now it's felony theft. I think when people are stealing
millions of dollars worth of cards, and so there should
be greater protections even with all the cameras, the cameras
(49:58):
of the sixties and Seid Sammy were your friend's eyeballs.
You know, you're when you went to the bathroom, you
didn't even cover your table. You just told your the
table next to you him, go in the bathroom. I'll
be back in a minute. And people could come and
still look at your table, but if they tried to
take something off it, your your adjacent table holder neighbors
(50:21):
where he's uh, you know, he'll be back in a minute.
So it was self policing, and I hope we still
have that because I think the camaraderie of being on
a weekend at a show all weekend next to somebody
you ought to you ought to look out for each other.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Well, we've got we've got a lot of comments here
that we have not gotten to. And believe it or not,
this show is almost over. This hour has gone by
very quickly.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
We were going to talk about those two crazy sales
of the uh. I don't know if you want to
just mention that real quick. Yeah, let me that Walt
Disney auto that they bought like a postcard, a beautiful
postcard auto that which costs four thousand dollars or whatever. Yeah,
I don't think that was it. But no, no, but
they cut the auto and they and they cut part
(51:10):
of the auto to put in a card, and it
just didn't fit. They kind of destroyed the word there
is they destroyed the Walt Disney auto.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, that's h And that card went for fifteen eight
hundred and sixty dollars with a buyer's premium. And I
just to me, it has no I appeal like that.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
No, it has the I appeal. Is it's it's the
I appeal of one of one. So show me a
better copy with the better I appeal. It is the
I appeal. That's a cool card, Like I said, they
they you know, maybe you know, here's the thing. Maybe
underneath in the laminate, maybe the autograph has not been trimmed.
(51:49):
It's just only showing the part that they could show.
Maybe the full autograph is there in the in the
part of the sandwich of the card.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
Yeah, well it was a postcard. I would still either
have in a postcard which sold for four thousand dollars
that actual one. There's a there's an actual check.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, here's here's a check that was sold by Propstein
for five nine and eighty nine dollars. I would much
rather have the check than the card if I'm especially
if I'm going to collect the autograph.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
You say, you can get a postcard of Disney for
around five thousand dollars with a beautiful autograph.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
People like cards. But now what you've pointed out is
that when when there's a if it's Ty Cobb, that
the width of that signature will fit babe ruth if
he doesn't put gh babe in quotes or anything. Uh So,
if it's if it's less than two inches wide the autograph,
(52:44):
it's it'll it'll fit on a card or maybe two
and a half. But you know, if you're dealing with
a piece of two and a half by three and
a half real estate, you can't. You can't take that
check unless the signature is tight. Otherwise you just need
it as it is. But it's a mazing you you
just you just turned a four thousand dollars autograph into
a fifteen thousand dollars card. I'm with you, Orlando, I'm
(53:09):
a purist. I think as well. Logan, you know this
original stuff, especially when it's more unique, leave it alone.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
I saw one of one. I was pulled out of
a pack of Babe Ruth like that, but the Babe
half of the card was like blank, and then the
Baby Ruth autographs all the way on the top, almost
right up to the edge, and it just was it
didn't really even look good. And that sold for way
over twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
But see if they made that a two of two,
you know, or one of ten or something like that.
If there's more than one, you can gripe about it.
But if it's one of one, either one, you don't.
You can't wait for a better one. It's not as
pleasing as you'd like, but it's still the bragging rights
of a one of one of an iconic player with
an authentic signature.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
Yeah, are you near two people that want it? And
that's it?
Speaker 2 (54:06):
And they're more than two?
Speaker 3 (54:07):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Well, fellas, it's an hour and two minutes. We are
in hobby hotline overtime right now.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
So if you were John Newman, you would just you'd
say we're just getting started.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Okay, we're just getting started, but you're not. But yeah,
it's been a great show Orlando. Where can they find you?
What have you got coming up?
Speaker 3 (54:33):
My YouTube channel I Collectors Dream What I have coming up?
I just posted the card show video that I just
came from yesterday, the Palm Beach Card Show, and I'm
working my way to Strongsville and hoping to do some
stuff out there. I've got the media pass there, so
I'll be doing a lot of video of Strongsville. The
(54:54):
show and the YouTube get together so everybody can check
it out.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
That'd be great. So, doctor Beckett, what you got going on?
Speaker 2 (55:00):
I'm going the show next weekend. So if anybody's there,
you know, just tap me on the shoulder. Actually, don't.
If you tap me on the shoulder, don't do it.
Do it slap me on the shoulder. That's better than
tapping me on the shoulder because if I get tapped
on the shoulder, it could creep me out. So just
just punch me in the shoulder and I'll think, oh,
that's somebody from Hobby Hotline. But I'll be there all
weekend pretty much, or maybe not Sunday, but i'll be
(55:22):
there Thursday, Friday, Saturday. It's always a good time and
uh and I'll be always uh, looking for good podcast
guests and enjoying that still, so that's my main thrust
of putting stuff out there. But thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yes, thanks, doctor Becket. I just will let you know
that when I I take my dog for a walk,
I listen to your podcast. As soon as my dog
hears your your intro music, she knows it's time to
go for a walk.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
As soon as she hears my voice, she knows it's
time to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Well yeah, maybe, so take that that, Mike Petty.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
Okay, doctor Jim, I want to tell you I enjoyed
your uh your talk not only with Mike, but also uh,
the last one you did with.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Those guys are great. Those guys are great. I mean,
I I want to not do only vintage, but I
love doing the vintage with guys like that. It's just
it's terrific.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
Thanks so cool.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah all right, so, uh, with all that being said,
thanks thanks everybody for spending your Saturday with us. We
appreciate Saturday morning.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
Next week we're gonna have more of your hobby favorite hosts.
They'll be on Hobby Hotline and I guess from everyone here,
we will see you folks next Week
Speaker 2 (57:19):
I thanks to Logan
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