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Speaker 1 (00:30):
All right, good morning, hobby friends. Welcome to Hobby Hotline.
This is episode three forty four of Hobby Hotline. I'm
your host, Logan Ward, and with me today is a
collector's dream. Orlando, He's right over here. How are you doing, Orlando?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Doing great?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Logan?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's good to be back on Hobby Hoighline.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, I'm glad to see you, buddy, and beaming up.
Today is hobby pioneer and hobby goat in my opinion,
Doctor Jim Beckett, How you doing, doctor Jim.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Glad to be here to see you, Logan and Orlando,
especially Logan, but Orlando is It's welcome back.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Thank you, doctor Jim. It's great to be back, and
I'm feeling much much better. Guys, so anybody in the
chat that is there, thank you so much. Your prayers
and support truly has helped me recover from this. He's
still got a little bit more to go, a little
bit more treatment after this, but overall, I'm good, feeling good,
and ready to get back in the hobby.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Is the chat going to be nice to you, Orlando?
They usually are.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
They've been nice so far unless I say something they
don't like.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well, let's look at the chat real quick man City
Bruce says, good morning everyone, and he's they're also glad
to see you Orlando. Steven says, hey, hey, Abel says
good morning, Hi Orlando. Everybody saying hi to Orlando. Vintage
car collector Orlando, Orlando. Let's see still good morning, all
star guests. Thank you very much. Larry says, good morning.
(02:04):
You look good, Orlando. I agree with that. That's really great. Uh,
Philly Joe, good morning, gang, looking good, Orlando. Glad to
see you, Mark Oyle, Hey, Mark, Hey, Orlando, glad to
see you. Hello the logan doctor doctor Beckett as well. Uh,
and here's our buddy MOOKI welcome back, Orlando. I will
take it easy on you today. Now, don't do that,
(02:26):
MOOKI don't do that, all right. So before we get started,
I want to show something really funny here For a second,
I had a I draw a picture of the Hobby
hotline hosts, Orlando, doctor Jim, and myself holding microphones with
a pile of trading cards, and uh, this is what
it came up with. And let me see, let me
(02:47):
show you go. So there's doctor Jim. I guess he's
in the lab coat and Orlando. Apparently you and I
are twins.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, you're looking good, Logan.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
And I don't know why we've We've got teletubbies in
the back ground. So I thought that was kind of crazy.
But anyway, I just just wanted to show that real quick.
I guess we could get started with the big elephant
in the room.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
This week it was announced that Pete Rose and uh,
Shoeless Joe, among others, are being reinstated into Major League
Baseball Orlando, What are your thoughts on that When you
heard the.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
News, I thought it was great news. You know, it's
there are two different situations in my opinion. Uh, you know,
Shoeless Joe essentially he he wasn't really involved in the gambling. Uh.
You know, it's more, you know the other guys, ab
Sicon and some of these guys, you know, Shoeless Joe
really he wasn't educated, couldn't read or write, and uh,
(03:49):
you know, if you look back in the series, I
think he batted over three forty in the series. So
you know, but it was a different time, back back
then when gambling was really a complete no, no, totally
different than it's been, you know, in the last forty
fifty years so it was Joe, in my opinion, probably
(04:09):
should have been there years ago, you know, if I
remember correct, I think the case of the White Sox
was was found not guilty overall, you know, even though
they did end up losing the sea. But I think
that shootless Joe, if you look back at what he
did during that series, you know, there's no way he
could have thrown the so but he was lumped into
(04:30):
the whole group of the Black Sox scandal. Pete Rose
is a different situation. You know, he did gamble, but
his gambling was more as a manager. So I think,
you know, if you look back at his playing days,
what he did in the game, I mean, I don't
feel you can leave out of the Hall of Fame
(04:50):
the leading hitter, all time hitter of hits, you know, ever,
and it was just you know, Pete Rose was I
think was just different. You know, maybe he should he
should have been banned for a while. But I think
if you look at today how gambling is today, it's
just more I guess acceptable than it was even even
(05:14):
thirty forty years ago. You know, if you look at
the way that that I mean, everything is gambling you know,
from opening packs to if you go to carts, you
see the young kids even flipping coins for for deals.
You know, that's gambling, you know, so, but I think
it's it is more acceptable. I think the overall, the
(05:36):
I guess the country or the people are accepting gambling
as being a little bit you know. Okay, But you know,
I look at plain Days, his stats, the way he played,
the way he was as a player, and as a player,
definitely should be in the Hall of Fame, you know.
But I do understand why he was left out, and
(05:57):
I understand why some people, you know, are against Tim
being in there.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Doctor Beckett, what are your thoughts when you heard it
heard the news.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
First of all, Orlando, I think you did that in
one breath. You are back. Yeah, okay. Now, I did
a podcast yesterday about Pete Rose and gambling and had
a number of points that I made, and I don't
want to rehash everything there other than gambling. The ship
(06:26):
is sailed. Gambling is here to stay in the world
of sports, and so the old rules of no gambling,
no betting, all that stuff. They It's difficult now because
all these gambling apps and entities are sponsors of the
various sports. But what needs to be punished rather than
(06:47):
just gambling, Although gambling by players on games and baseball
games or managers or anybody associate the game, it's the
rigged gambling. It's the throwing games. Now, I've never heard
anybody accuse Pete Rose of even doing less than his best.
You know, he was over the speed limit. He gave
it all he had, and if he would have pulled
(07:08):
back just a little bit, I think that would have
been noticed. So he gets a walk and he just
kind of saunters down to first base. I don't think
that happened even when he was forty years old. So
he was a hustler. He gave it all he got
and I respect that. But he did bet on the game.
There's many who think he did bet, not just when
(07:29):
he was a manager, and not just on the Reds,
but as a player. And he was a player manager
for a little while too, But that's all been washed
away in the agreement that he made to be permanently ineligible.
So wasn't a lifetime ban. He was on the permanently
ineligible list, and so I was thinking, well, yeah, it
was a lifetime ban. He died, so he was banned
(07:51):
while he was no, he was permanently ineligible. And that's
why the language is the shoeless Joe and these other guys,
many of whom are not very worthy at all, because
they really did throw games. Now, my my nephew is
at is at West Point, and they have an honor
code there and it's not just about lying and cheating
or stealing those kind of things, it's about not reporting
(08:14):
those who do. So you can be kicked out of
these academies if you knowingly look the other way when
somebody's doing the wrong thing. And so that's the honor
code that that was, you know, the Black Sox. A
lot of people knew and and and potentially Shoeless Joan
and maybe he was confused and not that well educated,
(08:35):
but it's it's wrong to throw games. That's what's everybody
can agree. That's wrong to bet on games. You know
that the society now is saying that that's benign, that
we bet all the time as Orlandos so any rate.
I said, I don't, I don't, I don't have a vote,
(08:56):
but I think Pete's gonna get in the Hall of Fame.
And I think and that's deserved in terms of his
on the field Exploits just unbelievable. One of the great
guys that I got to great players that I got
to watch when I was going to a lot of
games back when I was younger.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, I know that. Growing up as a kid in Louisville, Kentucky,
I was a big Cincinnati Reds, big Red Machine fan
back in the seventies. Of course, Pete Rose and Johnny
Bench were my guys, and we went to the Riverfront Stadium,
you know, several times as a kid, and I remember
one time specifically, we were sitting out in the left
field bleachers. We were right on the front row, and
(09:36):
we kept yelling at Pete Rose the whole time, Hey Pete,
Hey Pete. And finally he turned around and he looked
at us and he just kind of did the like that,
and we out lost it. It was so cool to
have him do that. But I'm glad to see him
be reinstated. I agree that he would be in the
Hall of Fame. He deserves to be in the Hall
(09:57):
of Fame. I never saw any kind of player exude
more what's the word I'm looking for. He was always hustling,
you know, and he always even you know, going to
first base, he would run to first best, and I
always admired that, and I kind of modeled kind of
the person I am, kind of after some of the
(10:17):
things that Pete Rose. So I'm glad to see it,
and I agree with you guys. Also as far as
the gambling aspect, these days, it's kind of considered the norm,
and you're right, it's not gonna go away. It's in
our hobby, you know, from our hobby itself to the
sports that we follow.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Logan, I agree, except if Pete Rose did throw a
game or give less than his best, which I think
is against everything he stood for and everything we ever saw.
So I bet he was betting on himself and betting
on his team. That's still not right, but it's way
different than throwing a game. If he was throwing games,
(10:57):
he does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame,
no matter how many hits he got. But I don't
think he did, and I don't think most people think
he did either.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Let's uh, let's check a few of the uh comments
in the chat. Abel says Pete Rose the player absolutely
belongs in the Hall of Fame, totally totally agree with that.
Uh Stuke says, gambling sponsors uh mini sporting events. Now
I have to watch his Timberwolves. He has to watch
the Timberwolves on the regular season on FanDuel. So while
(11:25):
FanDuel has an app where you can watch, Okay, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I did not know that, And you can probably can
place bets along the way. I mean, they're updating the
odds and all these prop bets and parlays and things
like that. It's it's real time now.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Oh yeah, I can only imagine. I don't do anything
like that, but I can only imagine when a particular
player is up for bat or something like that, they're
going they're asking, is he going to get a hit
here on this pitch? Yes?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You bet whatever? You know, it's it's it's crazy now,
it's just not my thing. Uh let's see logan.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
The other thing I said is the more complicated the bet, typically,
the more advantage the house has.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Oh no, no doubt about that. The house always is
going to win eventually. Uh, let's see. Warren says, good morning,
hobby friends. Mookie says, I work backwards from the paragraph
on the plaque on the wall. If they get in.
The plaque needs to reflect the accepted truth of the
totality of their playing slash managing day. I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Well, the plaque is. It turns out the plaque used
to be a plaque and now it's a two page
legal thing, I think now. And you got to read
the fine print. I mean it says don't bet, especially
on baseball, especially you know, so, but it's it's in
English and Spanish.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, that's yeah, all right, So let's see Jim City
Card show. It's not the Hall of good guys. So
I don't see why he would. While he would be
put in if it was about being a good human,
well we would be removing many. I don't know. I
I still think he's going to get in, and I
think he should be. And Pete Rose definitely, and I
think Shoeless Joe as well.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You know, all the discussion about uh making the Hall
smaller and uh, like I joke about relegating like they
do in soccer, that we'd pull out to be it's
never about the bad guys. It's about the not so
great players, you know. It's it's Harold Baines, who is
a great guy but not not a superstar. But it's
(13:29):
not let's get rid of the bad apples. It's let's
get rid of the guys that were that were not
the top rank of players.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, it's about what they did on the field. It's
about their you know, their their stats, and and some
people are not comfortable with players that played for such
a long time and extended their stats for so many years,
you know, But I do agree with that. I don't
like to see these borderline Hall of famers. But you know,
(13:57):
sometimes the committee they may not have a lot to vote,
a lot of top notch guys to vote for, so
they kind of maybe, okay, well we got to get
somebody in this year, so let's just get a Harold
Bains in. And yeah, overall his stats are great, but
I think if you look at you know, you know,
was he during his playing days at the time, how
(14:17):
did he compare to the other people he was playing
against at his prime? And Harold Bains was never one
of the top players in the league. I mean, overall,
his stats are great, but you know, he just I
don't for him as a Hall of Famer while he
was playing the game, you know. And when you look
at Pete Rose, you know, I never saw Ty Cobb play,
but everything I've read up on ty Cobb, he just
(14:40):
read Pete Rose reminds me of ty Cobb. You know
that aggressiveness, you know that that will to win, you
know that the love of baseball, and those are the
things I think that take Hall of famers just over
the top, above and beyond just your your average or
even above average players. So I to relate. You know,
(15:01):
ty Cobb and Pete Rose kind of a similar style
of play.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
In my opinion, I totally agree because basically, if you
look at the biographies of ty Cob, not all of
which are unbiased, he has some detractors as well. The
other thing is Pete Rose and Logan would know this
from sitting out in left field and watching Big Red
Machine games. Pete Rose actually had a lot of power,
(15:25):
but he like and Ty Cobb did too, but they
chose to hit for average and to hit singles and
doubles and not long flyouts. But they both had a
lot of power. They weren't they weren't weak, they weren't
Babe Ruth. But Pete Rose understood how to win, and
that was not just getting hits, but getting on base
(15:48):
and contributing on defense at whatever position he was. So
again everything's at in ty Cobb. Nobody ever accused Ty
Cobb of not deeply, deeply wanting to win any cost.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
He just wasn't liked by a lot of the player
and Pete Rose was the same. There's a lot of
players that just didn't like Pete Rose just the way
he was, the way he played. May Cossey, I was
going to say that, boy, that was a huge hit.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
All right, here's some more comedy, but I think legal
at the time, and then they.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I agreed, doctor Jim. I think they did change the rule,
probably because of hits like that.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
All right, So, doctor Jim, if you had a Hall
of Fame vote, would you vote for Rose and Jackson
for the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Hypothetical question? If they want to put me on the committee, Actually,
I'm not going to dodge it. I probably would. I
probably would, but it's it's going to be subject to
the committee, which is twelve or fifteen electors, you know,
several of whom are former players that played with or
against Pete or are very aware of him personally. So
(16:54):
I think he's going to get in. And I think
if somebody doesn't vote for him. If he doesn't get in.
It's not that there'll be death threats on the committee.
They'll be freaked out. I mean, it's the world will
be freaked out if he doesn't get in now that
he's passed. But it's going to be in a couple
of years, guys, it's not it's not imminent the next time,
(17:17):
and he's not not going to be on the same
ballot with Shoeless Joe. Joe. Shoeless Joe will be in
the dead ball group or whatever it is, so every
every they have a four year rotation. But yeah, I
would vote for him based on what they did on
the field, especially Joe Jackson, probably especially Pete Rose too.
He's you know, it was about punishment fitting the crime.
The guy has passed and now we have his stats
(17:41):
live on there's no asterisk on his stats. He's he's
he's a legend.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, he's a legend. And even though Pete said, you know,
he didn't want to be put in after he passed away,
I think he definitely will be voted in, you know,
And like doctor Jim said, it's going to be a while.
Committee doesn't meet until twenty twenty seven. I think December
twenty twenty seven, So either one of them, I don't
(18:07):
think they're gonna be there. Will they'll be voted in,
but it's not gonna be till twenty twenty eight if
they're inducted into the Hall of Fame. So we're still
years away, and I agree again with doctor Jim. They're
gonna be pressure put on the voters to get Rose
in and to get Jackson in. So you know, you've
got another two three years that they're gonna be hearing
(18:29):
a lot from a lot of people, and the pressure
I think is going to force them or make sure
that they go in.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
So this was just raised in the in the chat,
does this to me? I think the next agenda for
a lot of people is is Bonds and Clemens and Maguire.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, that's true. Philip Joe says the Baseball Hall of
Fame is a joke on too. The greatest players are
not not in based on alleged ped us. So you know,
that's a whole nother conversation right there. But yeah, I
kind of agree with that. I think they need to
be in as well. If they're going to allow Pete Rose,
and she was Joe in eventual, So.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Maybe eventually Logan, but I think it's such a different situation,
you know, because they cheated. I mean, they definitely cheated.
They enhanced you know, their ability using the PDS, so
their stats are tough to look.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
At, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I mean Maguire, would he have hit you know, over
seventy home runs if he didn't use pds? You know,
those are the questions that are going to come up
with that, and I think that that's gonna take some
more years, I think for something like that to happen.
If it does happen.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Well Orlanda you said, I mean if it's December of
twenty seven, which I think is right, it's in like
two and a half years. That if Pete gets in
in December of twenty seven, then the conversation will begin.
If obviously, if they take a hard line and don't
let Pete in, well then then you know that's going
to be the ethos of the day. They're not going
to let Bonds in either, but if Pete gets in,
(20:05):
it's going to show a more relaxed now. The biggest
criticism I got in my episode yesterday about Pete Rose
was when I mentioned our President Donald Trump. And if
I even mentioned the name it, you know, some people
just say, why are you mentioning him? I said, I
was mentioning him in the context of society giving second chances.
(20:28):
Here's a guy who's been indicted, he's been bankrupt, he's
been president, he's been impeached, and then he's been out.
And then still when he was elected last November, he
got more than half of the popular vote. And so
people are forgiving nowadays, and so that is that's something
(20:51):
that wouldn't have happened fifty years ago. I don't think
you're out, you know, but now people are saying, yeah,
he paid his time, he did it, paid his dues,
all that stuff, and so Bonds, I think he's gonna
get in bonds for like we say, the Bonds was
a hall of famer before his head.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Got big, right, And I think that's the main thing
that that doctor Jim said that people are forgiving, and
and time kind of heals all wounds, you know. Sometimes
and times changed too, people's opinions change overall. But I
do agree that that Bonds would have been a Hall
of Famer even without using a PDS.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
He's he was better than his worst year is better
than Harold Baines's best year, exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Goodness, all right, we've got a lot of comments in
the chat. We probably try to catch up on. Octavio says,
welcome Orlando, God blessed. We've we've talked about this. Uh
this comment. Cooter levs He says Rose knew the rule,
he knew the penalty. He admittedly chased minor girls. I've
never heard that before. Uh, he should never be admitted.
(22:00):
I called accountability. Fal Ball says they were both great players,
but they were not worthy of the Hall of Fame.
Dude to breaking the Golden rule. No if sands or but.
Octavio says, doctor Beckett is a legend. I agree with that.
Foul ball. Both cheaters. Jim City says, no, I agree.
He will be put in. I think so too. Rex says,
(22:23):
good morning, we're on the big screen. Hey, everybody on
the big screens. Good to see you, guys. Donald says
he agrees with Jim City. Hodges he gave a video
like so hey, everybody like this today. Vintage oddball cards.
It's a museum. You can't write the story baseball without Rose,
Jackson and Bonds. Plenty of players in the Hall of
(22:44):
Fame have shady past. You know, everybody's got something. Stukes
Rose will be up in twenty twenty seven. Rex says,
I have enough room in my head to appreciate that
Rose is a Hall of Famer who has had some
serious character flaws. You know, nobody's nobody's perfect. You know,
for sure, all Americans says, God bless you. Orlando, you
(23:04):
look great. Chris c. Glad to see you guys are
doing well. Orlando foll Ball. Ruth used pds.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Wait, they're called hot dogs, hot dogs and beer, hot beer.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
See Stuke says, just think how great Bonds would be
considered had he not fall into the temptation of peds.
Yeah he yeah, I was. I hated that when that happened.
Let's see vintage car collector put Bond, put Bonds in,
but strip him his all time home run record. What
do you guys think about that?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I think Bonds would be okay with that. I mean,
it's it's like putting askers on Roger Maris for all
those years, and everybody knew. Everybody knew that was political
if they put but he's not in the Hall of Fame.
They put him in and then they put some asteris
there he's in.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah, I agree, but yeah, his all time record may
not have happened if it wasn't for the pd So
I do think that you need to kind of make
a no of that somehow, some way in the Hall
of Fame that you know, he you know, it added
home runs his career for sure, how many who knows more?
Who knows maybe thirty percent more home runs because definitely
(24:14):
he he blew up. I mean if you look at
his uh when he when he started, you know, he
was a skinny guy when he first started, look at
his cards, and then look at the end, you know
how he totally just buffed up. His head was huge.
I mean, I mean, it's it was a totally different
guy from the beginning his career to the end of
the career. And people like let's say Conseko, who obviously
(24:37):
used PDS throughout you know, you know he had almost
five hundred home runs, probably would have never even come
close to that if it wasn't for the PDS. I
don't think he was as gifted as somebody like a bomb.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
So looking at some more of the comments, let me
scroll back up here. Rex says he has enough room
in his head to appreciate that Rose is a Hall
of Famer who also had some serious character flaws. I
think we've said some of the game.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
We just keep doing that one. We're so happy to.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, no doubt. Well, uh, you know, talking about Pete
Rose and Shoeless Joe. Does this do anything for their
trading cards? Do they increase in value? Do they go down?
I mean, what do you guys think about that, Orlando,
what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Well, I think short term, even even now, I saw
a little spike in some of Pete Rose's cards already,
and I do think that probably once he does, especially
get elected, or if once or if he gets elected,
I do think there'll be a little bit of a
spike there. But you know, growing up collecting cards so long,
Pete Rose's cards were always expensive. There were always some
(25:45):
of the the cards that people wanted, you know, So
I think his prices kind of stabilized over the years,
and I think this may give him a boost, But
I think, you know, like always, you know, it'll shoot
up with with the news, and then it'll probably just
come and stabilize again and maybe shoot up again. In
twenty twenty eight, a little bit spike, you know, when
(26:07):
maybe some of the newer collectors come in and realize
and see all that what's happened Joe Jackson, you know,
without being a Hall of Famer, his prices are way
up there, you know, with the Ty Cobbs and the
Bay Bruce already as they are. I don't think Jackson's
going to go up as much, if they even go up,
(26:29):
because I think they're pretty much kind of topped out.
But yeah, Peter Rose get a little bump every time
he gets in the news, and he'll get a little
bump here and there, but you know, like always, they
go up a little bit, knock down a little bit,
and stabilized overall, because I think the true collectors already
kind of considered him a Hall of Fame player.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
As it is the power of a good nickname, not
just Charlie Hustle. But if Joe Jackson was Joey Jackson
or Joseph Jackson and not Shoeless Joe would there be
the same mistique. So he's gonna have a different mistique
because he sat out for so long, and like Orlando said,
he was the first rank, one of the first guys
(27:11):
you would look for if he was in the set.
The biggest smile in the hobby right now is probably
Jeremy Lee, a Sports Cards Live who famously bought the
fourteen Crackerjack Shoeless Joe at a world record price, which
now is looking like a better and better deal. But yeah,
(27:32):
both those guys should go up now. I don't think
Eddie Sycott's going to go up. No, I don't think
Buck Weaver's going to go up. You know, you know,
I just those are good players, but they were implicated
in a different way, and Happy Felch and all these
they those guys already had a following because of the
mystique of the Black Sox.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I mean, remember, Joe Jackson had a three fifty six
lifetime batting average. I mean, I don't think we're ever
going to see something having a lifetime bat a average
over three point fifty again. And uh that's it's just
you know, he had the he had the stats from
the beginning, whether he's a Hall of Fame or not.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
So yeah, I think I agree with you guys. I
think Shootless Joe's cards are probably about where they are
going to be. I don't see a big bump happening there. Uh,
Pete Rose cards, I think they have room to grow.
I do think we will probably see some bumps on that,
especially uh in twenty twenty seven if he gets inducted
into the I was gonna getting ready to Nascar into
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the Baseball Hall of Fame. But uh, that's that's kind
of the way I see it. And I asked AI
to draw a picture of Pete Rose in heaven. Uh,
and here's here's what it came up with. I'm gonna
show you guys real quick. He's, uh, he's smiling in
heaven right now. I guess he's happy that he's uh,
he's reinstated. So that's that's a guy.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I mean, no offense, but he's happy if he's in heaven.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, this is true.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
That's the goal for all of us.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
All right, So let's look at some more comments real
quick before we move on to the next next topic.
See see Mookie says top stop printing issuing Rose cards
for a long time. I think they restarted. Yeah they did.
That helped sow the seeds for future collectors. And I'm sure,
well probably I didn't even think about that aspect of it.
Will we see more cards of Pete Rose now, and
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will we see maybe some like legendary cards of Shoeless Joe.
I think anything's possible.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
What if Pete set aside a bunch of sticker autographs
and put him in a vault. You never know, he
signed sign He may have passed up Bob Feller for
signing because he had a continuous motion thing in Las Vegas,
a line all day, every day, I think, And he
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still had a legible signature.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Oh he did. He had a great signature, you know.
And you're talking about Bob Feller real quick, I have
to I remember back in the nineteen seven he's I
was a kid working at Carousel Snack Bar, which they
had the MSA disc. That's why I worked there. But yeah,
that's the whole reason I got that job. But also
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they had a like a I forget some kind of
antique show or something there in the mall, and Bob
Feller was there signing an autograph. You're right, he signed everything.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
But anyway, yeah, I remember Bob Feller a lot of
the card shows, and he would charge five dollars for
an autograph, you know, and then if there was nobody
there in line, sometimes you know, he said, anybody else
and just give him the card, give him whatever. He
continued to sign for free. He didn't really care, you know,
and he was just very personal with everybody and just
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sign everything and anything. And the same thing with Pete.
I mean, Pete Rose would sign Baseball's you know, gambling
or I gamble and whatever you wanted him to write,
he did. And you know, those are the things that
they're just so readily available. And I agree with doctor Jim,
I think Pete Rose passed up by Feller.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I think so too. I bet there's a hidden stash
or maybe not so hidden of a sticker autos that
we may see things on. I'm sure Tom's probably has
has quite a few of those. I would I would
be surprised if they didn't. Here's Brody. Hey, Brody, it's good,
good to see you. He says, peds don't help Bond's
incredible eye. Yeah. I agree with that. He did have
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an incredible eye. So that's that's a good point, Brody.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
That's a great point by Brody because a lot of
times I think if the umpire saw that Bonds wouldn't
swing the ball.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
The all time leader in walks are they gonna put
an asterisk on that.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
That's true. So let's see. Uh Bo says, uh, it
would be kissing it if Pete Rose was reincarnated as
Oh my gosh, that's crazy. I think that's funny. Uh
John Brosie, Uh an unsighed Bob Feller t is more
rare than a signed one. That is so so true.
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Oh my gosh. Let's see Stuke's my site improved after
a prescription regiment of steroids according to my odd doctor,
plus my knee pain and plantar fanciitis went away. That's good.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Well that's also a Stok's. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
By the way, I want to congratulate Stus because he
has just retired. I think that this week was his
final work day.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well I did not know that Congress to him. Uh,
Mookie says, Orlando is the all time leader in walking videos.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, I do, uh going out for walks. I did
go ahead and do so my life streaming do my
walks just kind of sharing some opinions something. Yeah, thank you, Mooky,
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That's funny. Uh, Steel City, would Bond's chances grow if
he if he owned it? Does Pete Rose have a
better chance than Bonds? Because he did own it.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Well, guys, here's the thing. Pete rose according to Major
League Baseball, and according to the investigators, Pete didn't fully
own it. He partially owned it and he thought that
was best, and he agreed to the permanent in eligibility
in order to not have a finding that he bet
on baseball. Okay, so my guess is Bonds would be
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thinking about something like that, to partially own it, just
like an Andy Pettitt didn't partially own it as much
as he said, Hey, I just use these peds when
I was trying to recover from injury, and I just
want to admit it and get it out of the way.
Clemens silent, I didn't do anything, you know. So if
Bonds or Clemens or Maguire, you know, if they partially
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owned it in some way that they could keep some face,
that's the bot. But I don't know how they do that.
But Pete didn't fully own it. According to the John
Dowd guy.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Let's see Jimseny Bob Fellow's autograph change over the years
or early versions better or more desirable? That's a good question.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Early is usually better.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, I would agree with that for sure. Uh, Stuke says,
thanks Orlando, We're almost caught up you guys. Mouki says,
Congrants Stuke, that's amazing news. Bo says Sosa, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Sosa, question Mark.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah yeah, so yeah. Abel as a Dodgers fan, I
say no to bonds, Bo says uh Sosha. Sosa partially
apologized to the Cubs, saying he made mistakes.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Maybe I made, but you know, like doctor Jimsais, those
are all partial thing, not completely denying it. I think
the only one that completely I think Kaseko is the
only one that said, yes, I did it for sure,
and these guys did it with me and all that.
I think he was probably the most open one. But
when you talk about some of those guys, like let's
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say Rafael Palmerro, you know, he never admitted he lied.
He lied in Congress. And you know, here's a guy
that you know, three thousand kids, five hundre home runs
never he'll never get in and I'll never vote for
it because he just totally lied, you know. So that's
that's the only reason I give Conseko some credit because
at least he admitted it and admitted it completely.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
But he also named names.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
They said other things going on there. But I think
he had a forty forty before he was doing this stuff.
Maybe he was a big stud. He was fast, he
was strong.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Clement's misremembered it.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yes, yes, Clement's misremembered.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I've always been of the opinion that if you make
a mistake, just say I made a mistake, you know,
just go ahead and say it, you know, don't try
to cover it up, don't don't try to you know,
totally ignore it or anything like that. I always think
that's the best way.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
To get guys. Is are you Logan to be married?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yes, sir, Orlando, you married?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yes? Okay, I'm married too. Happily married. Okay, let's say
we're all happily married and not a card show. But
for a weekend, we the three of us separately, we
take off, we don't tell our wives where we're going,
and so we leave on Friday morning. But it's not
a card show. It's definitely not a card show. You
turn off your cell phone for the weekend, you come
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back Sunday night, and you and your wife goes Orlando Logan, Jim,
where have you been? And you say I made mistakes.
I mean, is that gonna work. No way, you can't.
That's not an apology that I made mistakes. Your wife
is going to say, okay, and what would those mistakes be?
(36:38):
You know, if you want to come back in the house,
tell me what's going on. I made mistakes. Yeah, but
you have to be more articulating or it's not an apology.
It's you can't seek forgiveness for unknown whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
No, I agree with that. But if let's say that
I went and I had a wreck and it was
my fault, if you want to admit that that was
my fault and that was no mistake, but.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
You can't plead the fifth with your wife. I don't
want to incriminate myself. And this is this is a
family situation with the fraternity of Major League Baseball. It's competitive,
everybody's in this together, and just making mistakes. I think
you've got to fess up more than that. And to me,
that'd be the turrent and p rose like I said, partially,
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partially fest up and substantially fest up.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
So Victor says, speaking of heaven, thoughts on the pope
Leo tops now card, whether they're like over one hundred
thousand copies of that card that were made.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I'd want to know what TOPS is doing with the
obscene profits they're making from that, because I don't think
they're paying royalties because he's a public figure. So I'd
like to know where the donation is going, and I
hope it it should go to a donation place of
Pope Leo's choice. You know, that's for the betterment of
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of of humanity.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I agree with that. I told I was gonna buy
one of those cards, but I totally forgot about it.
So I'm sure I can find it on the secondary market. Uh,
fairly reasonably. I'm sure I just have to wait my time.
Uh let's see Jen City, says Sosa Maguire, saved the game.
Hard to believe they will not be put in at
some point, Michael Ham Orlando bo says, sounds like a
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movie plot could be. Well, we got a lot of
comments we were almost caught up. Uh Steel City. Uh
that's me in Strongvielle. But I'm actually just buying cards,
all right, So I'll tell you what, guys, Let's let's
move on to the next topic.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Uh. Can I do one more thing? Because I misspoke
when Mookie was talking about the plaque. I was assuming
it was the plaque that was in the clubhouse that
says no betting on baseball and all that stuff. You've
seen those plaques historically. But he was talking about the
Hall of Fame plaque. You know that that what is
Rose's Hall of Fame plaque? Gon gonna read. And I
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was just thinking, you know that that is tricky because
you don't want to say you know, you know this,
you know you you want to be fair about it,
but you want to tell the story on the plaque.
And so that brings the question of Clemens and Bonds
and Maguire, guys like that. Would they be suggesting or
recommending or drafting what their plaque would look like, because
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it's a very delicate thing. You walk in the Hall
of Fame and you get you read the plaque of
Bonds and if it says he was you know the
the you know they can't put allegations on their So
I'm just wondering if those players would say, look, I
deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. And here's
what you could say. I had a long career, I
had these accolades in this period of my career. I
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had these accolades toward the end of my career. I
love baseball something like that because I don't know who
who writes up the plaques. But that's that's that's tricky,
and so so would be another one because Sosa would
I think, would not be a Hall of Fame or
without without that home run chase that was that captivated
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America and a lot of a lot of big home
run seasons.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So you know, talking about the plaques, so you know,
it makes me wonder did the players these days get
the vet what they want on the plaque or is
that solely the discretion of the Hall of Fame. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I doubt it.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, I would think that's up to the Hall.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Like that language, you know, and if they said you
were a scumbag or something, you say, can you change
the scumbag to dirt bag?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I'm pretty sure the Hall.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I think it's up to the Hall. It's their hall. Yeah,
And they're not they're not, uh, they're not directly affiliated
with Major League Baseball. They're a separate entity. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
The NASCAR Hall of Fame is the same way. Ziggy says,
good morning, It's great to see Orlando cheers. It's good
to see Ziggie Steel City. It would be interesting if
the Vatican sued for license.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Now anybody can sue.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
But it's Toss has made several Pope cars through the years.
Yeah they have. Mookie says, I'm using my new Pope
Pope car from Hobby Confessions. Forgive me, father overbid, I've
paid too much Stukes. I'm liking A Rod's new job
Timberwolves part owner. Well there you go. Do you guys know.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
That the that that A Rod's partner is Mark Lori,
who was one who was the key guy in the pit.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I did not know that.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yes, he didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Other guys ran the pit for a number of years,
and that's where he kind of cut his teeth. Very entrepreneurial,
very sharp. We had lots of dealings with him back
whatever that would have been, maybe in the eighties early nineties.
But he is super sharp. As he went on to
other great entrepreneurial stuff. And so he he and a
Rod are now I guess taken over for the for
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the Tea Wolves and just in time for see if
they get a long ride here.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
So Pastor Craig says he's like to the party. Glad
to see you, Ziggy, says doctor Beckett. Cheers NASCAR guy,
forgot your name? They get my name?
Speaker 3 (42:25):
It hurts?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
That does hurt? Come on, Ziggy, you're better than that
and cheers, Uh Pastor Craig Hierland are good to see
you still City. I think that if stats are considered
valid in the books, they belong, they belong on the plaque.
So yeah, probably so Hall of Fame should be. Oh
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come on, all right, so let's let's let's talk about
something different. We've talked about this for like forty nine minutes.
Let's see if we can get something in real quick.
Ps A is opening a retail store inside of Burbank
Cards in LA. I think it's kind of cool, but
I mean when you think about it, what you know,
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what what are you going to be able to do? Exactly?
So what do you guys think about that?
Speaker 2 (43:14):
But I think it's go.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Ahead, No, you go ahead, or I've got something to say,
but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah. Well, I mean I think for them it's it's
a no brainer as far as uh, you know, it's
just for submissions and Burbank, especially the new store. I
think it's about thirty minutes from the PSA headquarters. Uh,
they'll probably put a couple of employees there with you know,
you're talking the biggest card shop in the country I
think is Burbank, and you know, they're going to draw
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a lot of traffic. I think mostly it's going to
be a lot of the guys that are going to
be opening packs and they're going to want to get
that card graded right away. So I do think that
it's going to help PSA. You know, it's almost kind
of like a card show, having PSA at a card shop,
and sometimes you know, if you go to one of
these card shops where PSA is at the line so
long that it takes forever to get it done. So
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I think for PSA it's a big win. I think
for rob theres is a big win. And I see
Burbank the new store is almost going to be like
a card shop, you know what the heck, put a
couple of guys in there, pay them whatever they do
minimum way just to go ahead and or just take
orders and take the cars and then drive them over
to the headquarters. I think it's great. I don't know
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if that's something that they could actually do in too
many other locations. But I think that that's an ideal
situation and a good marriage between Rob and PSA.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Totally agree. It's a win win. I got a text
from Rob, we've been friends for many decades, inviting me
to the grand opening. This is the kind of news
that would make me want to go. Now I can't
go because I've got a conflict because I don't want
to be missing for a weekend with my wife. If
you know what I mean. You know, she knows where
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I am, and she she's been. She's actually been to Burbank,
you know, to this, to the We went to the
store a few years ago. I had a great time,
So I'd love to go. This would make me want
to go even more to see how that's integrated. What
Burbank does amazingly is they're buying operation and then integrating
it into their stock. And you know, most people are
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nervous about putting any expensive cards in the mail. They're
not mailing stuff to Burbank. They're they're driving up there.
They're standing in line to get Burbank to buy their cards.
Now they've got PSA there to say, you know what,
we're going to offer you this much for this card.
But if you grd it, you know, if you grade it,
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we will. Our contingent offer is based on if it's
an eight or a nine or a ten, and so
I totally agree it's win win, but it needs you
could say, hey, I want them in my shop. Well,
you know, I think this is going to be more
than just a submission thing. It's it's got to be more.
But like Orlando said, this is the biggest volume dollar
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volume card shop I think in the in the world.
And so if they can do it there, and they're
not gonna I don't think they're gonna have places all
over the country, but this would be cool if it worked,
you know, I'd I'd love to see BGSB in it.
But but not just any card shop. This is the
Burbank Sports Cards new location, Rob's Pride and Joy Ryan.
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You know, the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
I mean, this is this is great, great news. I
think it's great news for the hobby. It's gonna make
Burbank even more of a place where national media want
to go to see what's cooking, what's hot, and so
PSA positioning themselves there another good move by PSA.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, I think It makes Burbank definitely a destination stop,
especially if you're a collector. If you're anywhere out on
the West Coast, you would probably want to stop there.
Looking at what they're saying, PSA is gonna it's a
new way to submit, a new home for collector. Uh
P s A's first retail store is coming to Los Angeles,
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and it's gonna be inside Burdbank Cards Now Chris Carlin,
who told us in our chat that he's worked with
Rob on the Burdbank store launch. They will be opening
on May thirtieth. The shop is nothing like I've like
I've been in before except for maybe Dave and Adams
Superstore and uh Ton of Wanda. So it's gonna be
it's gonna be really nice. There's you know, they're gonna
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have seamless submissions apparently, easy access to cards and ripping.
You can rip rip packs and then submit them right there.
Uh you know, that's that's all fine and good. It's
just I think that I agree with doctor Beckett. They're
gonna have to have something else, I think to really
make it, you know, you know, be special. You know,
maybe maybe have some kind of day when you can
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bring cards in and for whatever fee, you can take them,
drop them off and you can get them back later
that afternoon or something. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
But I'm wondering what the Rev. Sharry, is PSA going
to pay rent for a kiosk inside that they are
they gonna have a little alcove or their own secure
area or or is uh is Rob gonna get a
percentage of what business they do? Uh? You know, I'm
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just wondering what the arrangement is there. But like Orlando said,
I think it has the potential to be win win,
good for Rob and good for PSA. So again, they're
kind of a competitor from when I was running things.
But I'm I'm hobby first. You know. If this is
good for the hobby, then I'm that's terrific and I
think it probably will be.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah, I agree, of course, you know, I'm I'm pro PSA.
I'll always wear the hat. So any anything ps A
does like that, I think agree. It's it's good for
the hobby and it's gonna be good for Robin. Gonna
be good for ps A for sure. So we're getting
close on time, guys, Let's see what what kind of
comments we've got here.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Can you bring up to one about Orlando again?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
No, we had more than enough of comments about.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Me sight for sore eyes though. That's good.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Thanks, thank you so much. I do want to remind
everybody that today is the Previnet and as a horse
racing fan, I think it's a big day today, and
it's actually there one hundred and fiftieth anniversary and a
small plug. My daughter, her company ex Media Collective, was
chosen to design the logo for the Preakness this year
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and I'm so excited about that, and she's also gonna
be designing the one for the Pegasus Race too, So
as a horse racing fan, just a shout out to
her and a shout out to uh. To a big
racing day today with the Prenet.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah, I'm kind of a quasi horse racing fan.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
You're here in Germantown where I live. Every year we
have a Germantown Charity horse show, and this year is
the seventy sixth edition of that, and in conjunction with that,
they have a horse show a horse excuse me, a horseshoe.
They had horseshoes and they give out clues to go
find them. So I actually found one the other day.
(50:12):
I thought that was really neat. In fact, they're doing
it today and when I get off of hobby Hotline,
I think I'm going to go try to find some
more horseshoe. So yeah, good day for the preaknous, Good
day for horses. So any any closing comments, you got
anything you want to else you want to say, Orlando.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
I think it's gonna be a fun day. I like
I like the I love the Kentucky Derby, the Pregnus
and the Belmont. I just I think it's one of
the biggest days for the horse racing fans, and it's
a big sport. And you know, John Mangini and I
had an argument that he thinks that Secretary is Secretariat
was the best athlete ever, so maybe the best horse,
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but I don't know about athlete. But that's his contention.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
You know what that's based on. It it's kind of
based on measurements. It's it's based empirically on his his
stride land and his times and things like that, and
how much better he was, just like Babe Ruth hitting
more home runs than the rest of the league. You know.
It's so he had physical characteristics as well as performance
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characteristics that put him head and shoulders above more so
than any other human athlete. But I agree, I'm I'm
not collecting horses collecting cards right with any sport. I'll
do women, I'll do men, I'll do, but I need humans.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, I'm kind of a quasi secretariat collector. I have
that that card that has one of his hairs on
it from Kentucky Derby, So I know it's kind of weird,
but I just I just kind of liked it.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
I'll share one of my jockeys and jockey cards. This
is an eighteen eighty eight Good Ones Champion and it's
in an old Dai label, which I actually love these labels,
you know, because not only does it have a nice thing,
but on the top here something somebody should have. It
has the actual card and description of the card. So
when you put in a box of knache, you can
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see the top. I don't know why nobody's ever thought
of that, or of that concept about that. It is
kind of kind of neat. I've held on to that
and I won't break it out, and I'll leave it
in that forever.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
That's not why they went bankrupt. No, they went bankrupt
because they had some employee problem. But at the core,
at the beginning, they were they were so good guys.
We knew those guys and and uh, but then they
got big and then they you know, just the supply
and demand and the EBB and flow of business. It's
it's tough to grow a business. It's tough to tough
to deal with employees leaving and then trying to replace
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them with people that are not fully trained or getting
up to speed. So gratings, gratings, tough, gradings, tough A.
I had a good ride there for a little while,
and they did stuff nobody else was doing like that, Orlando.
That's a good example of their innovation.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
It's kind of a combination of the STC but with
just a little bit nicer, better. Uh you know, flip there.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
All right, we're uh, we just went into hobby hotline
over time. So I guess it's time to say goodbye
to everybody out there. I'm gonna leave everybody with this.
Uh Abel says we need a secretariat cut auto all right,
So uh, I just I just want to say real
quick thanks everybody for spending your Saturday morning with us.
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We really appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
UH.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Next week, Hobby Hotline will return with more of your
favorite hobby hosts. UH so happy collecting everybody, and UH
from doctor Jim in Orlando. We will see you folks
next week.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
Thanks Logan, Thanks thanks Logan.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Appreciate it.
All right, good morning, hobby friends. Welcome to Hobby Hotline.
This is episode three forty four of Hobby Hotline. I'm
your host, Logan Ward, and with me today is a
collector's dream. Orlando, He's right over here. How are you doing, Orlando?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Doing great?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Logan?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's good to be back on Hobby Hoighline.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, I'm glad to see you, buddy, and beaming up.
Today is hobby pioneer and hobby goat in my opinion,
Doctor Jim Beckett, How you doing, doctor Jim.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Glad to be here to see you, Logan and Orlando,
especially Logan, but Orlando is It's welcome back.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Thank you, doctor Jim. It's great to be back, and
I'm feeling much much better. Guys, so anybody in the
chat that is there, thank you so much. Your prayers
and support truly has helped me recover from this. He's
still got a little bit more to go, a little
bit more treatment after this, but overall, I'm good, feeling good,
and ready to get back in the hobby.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Is the chat going to be nice to you, Orlando?
They usually are.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
They've been nice so far unless I say something they
don't like.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well, let's look at the chat real quick man City
Bruce says, good morning everyone, and he's they're also glad
to see you Orlando. Steven says, hey, hey, Abel says
good morning, Hi Orlando. Everybody saying hi to Orlando. Vintage
car collector Orlando, Orlando. Let's see still good morning, all
star guests. Thank you very much. Larry says, good morning.
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You look good, Orlando. I agree with that. That's really great. Uh,
Philly Joe, good morning, gang, looking good, Orlando. Glad to
see you, Mark Oyle, Hey, Mark, Hey, Orlando, glad to
see you. Hello the logan doctor doctor Beckett as well. Uh,
and here's our buddy MOOKI welcome back, Orlando. I will
take it easy on you today. Now, don't do that,
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MOOKI don't do that, all right. So before we get started,
I want to show something really funny here For a second,
I had a I draw a picture of the Hobby
hotline hosts, Orlando, doctor Jim, and myself holding microphones with
a pile of trading cards, and uh, this is what
it came up with. And let me see, let me
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show you go. So there's doctor Jim. I guess he's
in the lab coat and Orlando. Apparently you and I
are twins.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, you're looking good, Logan.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
And I don't know why we've We've got teletubbies in
the back ground. So I thought that was kind of crazy.
But anyway, I just just wanted to show that real quick.
I guess we could get started with the big elephant
in the room.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
This week it was announced that Pete Rose and uh,
Shoeless Joe, among others, are being reinstated into Major League
Baseball Orlando, What are your thoughts on that When you
heard the.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
News, I thought it was great news. You know, it's
there are two different situations in my opinion. Uh, you know,
Shoeless Joe essentially he he wasn't really involved in the gambling. Uh.
You know, it's more, you know the other guys, ab
Sicon and some of these guys, you know, Shoeless Joe
really he wasn't educated, couldn't read or write, and uh,
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you know, if you look back in the series, I
think he batted over three forty in the series. So
you know, but it was a different time, back back
then when gambling was really a complete no, no, totally
different than it's been, you know, in the last forty
fifty years so it was Joe, in my opinion, probably
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should have been there years ago, you know, if I
remember correct, I think the case of the White Sox
was was found not guilty overall, you know, even though
they did end up losing the sea. But I think
that shootless Joe, if you look back at what he
did during that series, you know, there's no way he
could have thrown the so but he was lumped into
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the whole group of the Black Sox scandal. Pete Rose
is a different situation. You know, he did gamble, but
his gambling was more as a manager. So I think,
you know, if you look back at his playing days,
what he did in the game, I mean, I don't
feel you can leave out of the Hall of Fame
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the leading hitter, all time hitter of hits, you know, ever,
and it was just you know, Pete Rose was I
think was just different. You know, maybe he should he
should have been banned for a while. But I think
if you look at today how gambling is today, it's
just more I guess acceptable than it was even even
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thirty forty years ago. You know, if you look at
the way that that I mean, everything is gambling you know,
from opening packs to if you go to carts, you
see the young kids even flipping coins for for deals.
You know, that's gambling, you know, so, but I think
it's it is more acceptable. I think the overall, the
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I guess the country or the people are accepting gambling
as being a little bit you know. Okay, But you know,
I look at plain Days, his stats, the way he played,
the way he was as a player, and as a player,
definitely should be in the Hall of Fame, you know.
But I do understand why he was left out, and
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I understand why some people, you know, are against Tim
being in there.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Doctor Beckett, what are your thoughts when you heard it
heard the news.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
First of all, Orlando, I think you did that in
one breath. You are back. Yeah, okay. Now, I did
a podcast yesterday about Pete Rose and gambling and had
a number of points that I made, and I don't
want to rehash everything there other than gambling. The ship
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is sailed. Gambling is here to stay in the world
of sports, and so the old rules of no gambling,
no betting, all that stuff. They It's difficult now because
all these gambling apps and entities are sponsors of the
various sports. But what needs to be punished rather than
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just gambling, Although gambling by players on games and baseball
games or managers or anybody associate the game, it's the
rigged gambling. It's the throwing games. Now, I've never heard
anybody accuse Pete Rose of even doing less than his best.
You know, he was over the speed limit. He gave
it all he had, and if he would have pulled
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back just a little bit, I think that would have
been noticed. So he gets a walk and he just
kind of saunters down to first base. I don't think
that happened even when he was forty years old. So
he was a hustler. He gave it all he got
and I respect that. But he did bet on the game.
There's many who think he did bet, not just when
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he was a manager, and not just on the Reds,
but as a player. And he was a player manager
for a little while too, But that's all been washed
away in the agreement that he made to be permanently ineligible.
So wasn't a lifetime ban. He was on the permanently
ineligible list, and so I was thinking, well, yeah, it
was a lifetime ban. He died, so he was banned
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while he was no, he was permanently ineligible. And that's
why the language is the shoeless Joe and these other guys,
many of whom are not very worthy at all, because
they really did throw games. Now, my my nephew is
at is at West Point, and they have an honor
code there and it's not just about lying and cheating
or stealing those kind of things, it's about not reporting
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those who do. So you can be kicked out of
these academies if you knowingly look the other way when
somebody's doing the wrong thing. And so that's the honor
code that that was, you know, the Black Sox. A
lot of people knew and and and potentially Shoeless Joan
and maybe he was confused and not that well educated,
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but it's it's wrong to throw games. That's what's everybody
can agree. That's wrong to bet on games. You know
that the society now is saying that that's benign, that
we bet all the time as Orlandos so any rate.
I said, I don't, I don't, I don't have a vote,
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but I think Pete's gonna get in the Hall of Fame.
And I think and that's deserved in terms of his
on the field Exploits just unbelievable. One of the great
guys that I got to great players that I got
to watch when I was going to a lot of
games back when I was younger.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, I know that. Growing up as a kid in Louisville, Kentucky,
I was a big Cincinnati Reds, big Red Machine fan
back in the seventies. Of course, Pete Rose and Johnny
Bench were my guys, and we went to the Riverfront Stadium,
you know, several times as a kid, and I remember
one time specifically, we were sitting out in the left
field bleachers. We were right on the front row, and
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we kept yelling at Pete Rose the whole time, Hey Pete,
Hey Pete. And finally he turned around and he looked
at us and he just kind of did the like that,
and we out lost it. It was so cool to
have him do that. But I'm glad to see him
be reinstated. I agree that he would be in the
Hall of Fame. He deserves to be in the Hall
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of Fame. I never saw any kind of player exude
more what's the word I'm looking for. He was always hustling,
you know, and he always even you know, going to
first base, he would run to first best, and I
always admired that, and I kind of modeled kind of
the person I am, kind of after some of the
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things that Pete Rose. So I'm glad to see it,
and I agree with you guys. Also as far as
the gambling aspect, these days, it's kind of considered the norm,
and you're right, it's not gonna go away. It's in
our hobby, you know, from our hobby itself to the
sports that we follow.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Logan, I agree, except if Pete Rose did throw a
game or give less than his best, which I think
is against everything he stood for and everything we ever saw.
So I bet he was betting on himself and betting
on his team. That's still not right, but it's way
different than throwing a game. If he was throwing games,
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he does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame,
no matter how many hits he got. But I don't
think he did, and I don't think most people think
he did either.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Let's uh, let's check a few of the uh comments
in the chat. Abel says Pete Rose the player absolutely
belongs in the Hall of Fame, totally totally agree with that.
Uh Stuke says, gambling sponsors uh mini sporting events. Now
I have to watch his Timberwolves. He has to watch
the Timberwolves on the regular season on FanDuel. So while
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FanDuel has an app where you can watch, Okay, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I did not know that, And you can probably can
place bets along the way. I mean, they're updating the
odds and all these prop bets and parlays and things
like that. It's it's real time now.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Oh yeah, I can only imagine. I don't do anything
like that, but I can only imagine when a particular
player is up for bat or something like that, they're
going they're asking, is he going to get a hit
here on this pitch? Yes?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You bet whatever? You know, it's it's it's crazy now,
it's just not my thing. Uh let's see logan.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
The other thing I said is the more complicated the bet, typically,
the more advantage the house has.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Oh no, no doubt about that. The house always is
going to win eventually. Uh, let's see. Warren says, good morning,
hobby friends. Mookie says, I work backwards from the paragraph
on the plaque on the wall. If they get in.
The plaque needs to reflect the accepted truth of the
totality of their playing slash managing day. I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Well, the plaque is. It turns out the plaque used
to be a plaque and now it's a two page
legal thing, I think now. And you got to read
the fine print. I mean it says don't bet, especially
on baseball, especially you know, so, but it's it's in
English and Spanish.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, that's yeah, all right, So let's see Jim City
Card show. It's not the Hall of good guys. So
I don't see why he would. While he would be
put in if it was about being a good human,
well we would be removing many. I don't know. I
I still think he's going to get in, and I
think he should be. And Pete Rose definitely, and I
think Shoeless Joe as well.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You know, all the discussion about uh making the Hall
smaller and uh, like I joke about relegating like they
do in soccer, that we'd pull out to be it's
never about the bad guys. It's about the not so
great players, you know. It's it's Harold Baines, who is
a great guy but not not a superstar. But it's
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not let's get rid of the bad apples. It's let's
get rid of the guys that were that were not
the top rank of players.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, it's about what they did on the field. It's
about their you know, their their stats, and and some
people are not comfortable with players that played for such
a long time and extended their stats for so many years,
you know, But I do agree with that. I don't
like to see these borderline Hall of famers. But you know,
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sometimes the committee they may not have a lot to vote,
a lot of top notch guys to vote for, so
they kind of maybe, okay, well we got to get
somebody in this year, so let's just get a Harold
Bains in. And yeah, overall his stats are great, but
I think if you look at you know, you know,
was he during his playing days at the time, how
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did he compare to the other people he was playing
against at his prime? And Harold Bains was never one
of the top players in the league. I mean, overall,
his stats are great, but you know, he just I
don't for him as a Hall of Famer while he
was playing the game, you know. And when you look
at Pete Rose, you know, I never saw Ty Cobb play,
but everything I've read up on ty Cobb, he just
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read Pete Rose reminds me of ty Cobb. You know
that aggressiveness, you know that that will to win, you
know that the love of baseball, and those are the
things I think that take Hall of famers just over
the top, above and beyond just your your average or
even above average players. So I to relate. You know,
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ty Cobb and Pete Rose kind of a similar style
of play.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
In my opinion, I totally agree because basically, if you
look at the biographies of ty Cob, not all of
which are unbiased, he has some detractors as well. The
other thing is Pete Rose and Logan would know this
from sitting out in left field and watching Big Red
Machine games. Pete Rose actually had a lot of power,
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but he like and Ty Cobb did too, but they
chose to hit for average and to hit singles and
doubles and not long flyouts. But they both had a
lot of power. They weren't they weren't weak, they weren't
Babe Ruth. But Pete Rose understood how to win, and
that was not just getting hits, but getting on base
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and contributing on defense at whatever position he was. So
again everything's at in ty Cobb. Nobody ever accused Ty
Cobb of not deeply, deeply wanting to win any cost.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
He just wasn't liked by a lot of the player
and Pete Rose was the same. There's a lot of
players that just didn't like Pete Rose just the way
he was, the way he played. May Cossey, I was
going to say that, boy, that was a huge hit.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
All right, here's some more comedy, but I think legal
at the time, and then they.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I agreed, doctor Jim. I think they did change the rule,
probably because of hits like that.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
All right, So, doctor Jim, if you had a Hall
of Fame vote, would you vote for Rose and Jackson
for the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Hypothetical question? If they want to put me on the committee, Actually,
I'm not going to dodge it. I probably would. I
probably would, but it's it's going to be subject to
the committee, which is twelve or fifteen electors, you know,
several of whom are former players that played with or
against Pete or are very aware of him personally. So
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I think he's going to get in. And I think
if somebody doesn't vote for him. If he doesn't get in.
It's not that there'll be death threats on the committee.
They'll be freaked out. I mean, it's the world will
be freaked out if he doesn't get in now that
he's passed. But it's going to be in a couple
of years, guys, it's not it's not imminent the next time,
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and he's not not going to be on the same
ballot with Shoeless Joe. Joe. Shoeless Joe will be in
the dead ball group or whatever it is, so every
every they have a four year rotation. But yeah, I
would vote for him based on what they did on
the field, especially Joe Jackson, probably especially Pete Rose too.
He's you know, it was about punishment fitting the crime.
The guy has passed and now we have his stats
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live on there's no asterisk on his stats. He's he's
he's a legend.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, he's a legend. And even though Pete said, you know,
he didn't want to be put in after he passed away,
I think he definitely will be voted in, you know,
And like doctor Jim said, it's going to be a while.
Committee doesn't meet until twenty twenty seven. I think December
twenty twenty seven, So either one of them, I don't
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think they're gonna be there. Will they'll be voted in,
but it's not gonna be till twenty twenty eight if
they're inducted into the Hall of Fame. So we're still
years away, and I agree again with doctor Jim. They're
gonna be pressure put on the voters to get Rose
in and to get Jackson in. So you know, you've
got another two three years that they're gonna be hearing
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a lot from a lot of people, and the pressure
I think is going to force them or make sure
that they go in.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
So this was just raised in the in the chat,
does this to me? I think the next agenda for
a lot of people is is Bonds and Clemens and Maguire.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, that's true. Philip Joe says the Baseball Hall of
Fame is a joke on too. The greatest players are
not not in based on alleged ped us. So you know,
that's a whole nother conversation right there. But yeah, I
kind of agree with that. I think they need to
be in as well. If they're going to allow Pete Rose,
and she was Joe in eventual, So.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Maybe eventually Logan, but I think it's such a different situation,
you know, because they cheated. I mean, they definitely cheated.
They enhanced you know, their ability using the PDS, so
their stats are tough to look.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
At, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I mean Maguire, would he have hit you know, over
seventy home runs if he didn't use pds? You know,
those are the questions that are going to come up
with that, and I think that that's gonna take some
more years, I think for something like that to happen.
If it does happen.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Well Orlanda you said, I mean if it's December of
twenty seven, which I think is right, it's in like
two and a half years. That if Pete gets in
in December of twenty seven, then the conversation will begin.
If obviously, if they take a hard line and don't
let Pete in, well then then you know that's going
to be the ethos of the day. They're not going
to let Bonds in either, but if Pete gets in,
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it's going to show a more relaxed now. The biggest
criticism I got in my episode yesterday about Pete Rose
was when I mentioned our President Donald Trump. And if
I even mentioned the name it, you know, some people
just say, why are you mentioning him? I said, I
was mentioning him in the context of society giving second chances.
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Here's a guy who's been indicted, he's been bankrupt, he's
been president, he's been impeached, and then he's been out.
And then still when he was elected last November, he
got more than half of the popular vote. And so
people are forgiving nowadays, and so that is that's something
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that wouldn't have happened fifty years ago. I don't think
you're out, you know, but now people are saying, yeah,
he paid his time, he did it, paid his dues,
all that stuff, and so Bonds, I think he's gonna
get in bonds for like we say, the Bonds was
a hall of famer before his head.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Got big, right, And I think that's the main thing
that that doctor Jim said that people are forgiving, and
and time kind of heals all wounds, you know. Sometimes
and times changed too, people's opinions change overall. But I
do agree that that Bonds would have been a Hall
of Famer even without using a PDS.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
He's he was better than his worst year is better
than Harold Baines's best year, exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Goodness, all right, we've got a lot of comments in
the chat. We probably try to catch up on. Octavio says,
welcome Orlando, God blessed. We've we've talked about this. Uh
this comment. Cooter levs He says Rose knew the rule,
he knew the penalty. He admittedly chased minor girls. I've
never heard that before. Uh, he should never be admitted.
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I called accountability. Fal Ball says they were both great players,
but they were not worthy of the Hall of Fame.
Dude to breaking the Golden rule. No if sands or but.
Octavio says, doctor Beckett is a legend. I agree with that.
Foul ball. Both cheaters. Jim City says, no, I agree.
He will be put in. I think so too. Rex says,
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good morning, we're on the big screen. Hey, everybody on
the big screens. Good to see you, guys. Donald says
he agrees with Jim City. Hodges he gave a video
like so hey, everybody like this today. Vintage oddball cards.
It's a museum. You can't write the story baseball without Rose,
Jackson and Bonds. Plenty of players in the Hall of
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Fame have shady past. You know, everybody's got something. Stukes
Rose will be up in twenty twenty seven. Rex says,
I have enough room in my head to appreciate that
Rose is a Hall of Famer who has had some
serious character flaws. You know, nobody's nobody's perfect. You know,
for sure, all Americans says, God bless you. Orlando, you
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look great. Chris c. Glad to see you guys are
doing well. Orlando foll Ball. Ruth used pds.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Wait, they're called hot dogs, hot dogs and beer, hot beer.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
See Stuke says, just think how great Bonds would be
considered had he not fall into the temptation of peds.
Yeah he yeah, I was. I hated that when that happened.
Let's see vintage car collector put Bond, put Bonds in,
but strip him his all time home run record. What
do you guys think about that?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I think Bonds would be okay with that. I mean,
it's it's like putting askers on Roger Maris for all
those years, and everybody knew. Everybody knew that was political
if they put but he's not in the Hall of Fame.
They put him in and then they put some asteris
there he's in.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah, I agree, but yeah, his all time record may
not have happened if it wasn't for the pd So
I do think that you need to kind of make
a no of that somehow, some way in the Hall
of Fame that you know, he you know, it added
home runs his career for sure, how many who knows more?
Who knows maybe thirty percent more home runs because definitely
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he he blew up. I mean if you look at
his uh when he when he started, you know, he
was a skinny guy when he first started, look at
his cards, and then look at the end, you know
how he totally just buffed up. His head was huge.
I mean, I mean, it's it was a totally different
guy from the beginning his career to the end of
the career. And people like let's say Conseko, who obviously
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used PDS throughout you know, you know he had almost
five hundred home runs, probably would have never even come
close to that if it wasn't for the PDS. I
don't think he was as gifted as somebody like a bomb.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
So looking at some more of the comments, let me
scroll back up here. Rex says he has enough room
in his head to appreciate that Rose is a Hall
of Famer who also had some serious character flaws. I
think we've said some of the game.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
We just keep doing that one. We're so happy to.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, no doubt. Well, uh, you know, talking about Pete
Rose and Shoeless Joe. Does this do anything for their
trading cards? Do they increase in value? Do they go down?
I mean, what do you guys think about that, Orlando,
what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Well, I think short term, even even now, I saw
a little spike in some of Pete Rose's cards already,
and I do think that probably once he does, especially
get elected, or if once or if he gets elected,
I do think there'll be a little bit of a
spike there. But you know, growing up collecting cards so long,
Pete Rose's cards were always expensive. There were always some
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of the the cards that people wanted, you know, So
I think his prices kind of stabilized over the years,
and I think this may give him a boost, But
I think, you know, like always, you know, it'll shoot
up with with the news, and then it'll probably just
come and stabilize again and maybe shoot up again. In
twenty twenty eight, a little bit spike, you know, when
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maybe some of the newer collectors come in and realize
and see all that what's happened Joe Jackson, you know,
without being a Hall of Famer, his prices are way
up there, you know, with the Ty Cobbs and the
Bay Bruce already as they are. I don't think Jackson's
going to go up as much, if they even go up,
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because I think they're pretty much kind of topped out.
But yeah, Peter Rose get a little bump every time
he gets in the news, and he'll get a little
bump here and there, but you know, like always, they
go up a little bit, knock down a little bit,
and stabilized overall, because I think the true collectors already
kind of considered him a Hall of Fame player.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
As it is the power of a good nickname, not
just Charlie Hustle. But if Joe Jackson was Joey Jackson
or Joseph Jackson and not Shoeless Joe would there be
the same mistique. So he's gonna have a different mistique
because he sat out for so long, and like Orlando said,
he was the first rank, one of the first guys
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you would look for if he was in the set.
The biggest smile in the hobby right now is probably
Jeremy Lee, a Sports Cards Live who famously bought the
fourteen Crackerjack Shoeless Joe at a world record price, which
now is looking like a better and better deal. But yeah,
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both those guys should go up now. I don't think
Eddie Sycott's going to go up. No, I don't think
Buck Weaver's going to go up. You know, you know,
I just those are good players, but they were implicated
in a different way, and Happy Felch and all these
they those guys already had a following because of the
mystique of the Black Sox.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I mean, remember, Joe Jackson had a three fifty six
lifetime batting average. I mean, I don't think we're ever
going to see something having a lifetime bat a average
over three point fifty again. And uh that's it's just
you know, he had the he had the stats from
the beginning, whether he's a Hall of Fame or not.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
So yeah, I think I agree with you guys. I
think Shootless Joe's cards are probably about where they are
going to be. I don't see a big bump happening there. Uh,
Pete Rose cards, I think they have room to grow.
I do think we will probably see some bumps on that,
especially uh in twenty twenty seven if he gets inducted
into the I was gonna getting ready to Nascar into
(28:31):
the Baseball Hall of Fame. But uh, that's that's kind
of the way I see it. And I asked AI
to draw a picture of Pete Rose in heaven. Uh,
and here's here's what it came up with. I'm gonna
show you guys real quick. He's, uh, he's smiling in
heaven right now. I guess he's happy that he's uh,
he's reinstated. So that's that's a guy.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I mean, no offense, but he's happy if he's in heaven.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, this is true.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
That's the goal for all of us.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
All right, So let's look at some more comments real
quick before we move on to the next next topic.
See see Mookie says top stop printing issuing Rose cards
for a long time. I think they restarted. Yeah they did.
That helped sow the seeds for future collectors. And I'm sure,
well probably I didn't even think about that aspect of it.
Will we see more cards of Pete Rose now, and
(29:24):
will we see maybe some like legendary cards of Shoeless Joe.
I think anything's possible.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
What if Pete set aside a bunch of sticker autographs
and put him in a vault. You never know, he
signed sign He may have passed up Bob Feller for
signing because he had a continuous motion thing in Las Vegas,
a line all day, every day, I think, And he
(29:52):
still had a legible signature.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Oh he did. He had a great signature, you know.
And you're talking about Bob Feller real quick, I have
to I remember back in the nineteen seven he's I
was a kid working at Carousel Snack Bar, which they
had the MSA disc. That's why I worked there. But yeah,
that's the whole reason I got that job. But also
(30:14):
they had a like a I forget some kind of
antique show or something there in the mall, and Bob
Feller was there signing an autograph. You're right, he signed everything.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
But anyway, yeah, I remember Bob Feller a lot of
the card shows, and he would charge five dollars for
an autograph, you know, and then if there was nobody
there in line, sometimes you know, he said, anybody else
and just give him the card, give him whatever. He
continued to sign for free. He didn't really care, you know,
and he was just very personal with everybody and just
(30:45):
sign everything and anything. And the same thing with Pete.
I mean, Pete Rose would sign Baseball's you know, gambling
or I gamble and whatever you wanted him to write,
he did. And you know, those are the things that
they're just so readily available. And I agree with doctor Jim,
I think Pete Rose passed up by Feller.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I think so too. I bet there's a hidden stash
or maybe not so hidden of a sticker autos that
we may see things on. I'm sure Tom's probably has
has quite a few of those. I would I would
be surprised if they didn't. Here's Brody. Hey, Brody, it's good,
good to see you. He says, peds don't help Bond's
incredible eye. Yeah. I agree with that. He did have
(31:25):
an incredible eye. So that's that's a good point, Brody.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
That's a great point by Brody because a lot of
times I think if the umpire saw that Bonds wouldn't
swing the ball.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
The all time leader in walks are they gonna put
an asterisk on that.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
That's true. So let's see. Uh Bo says, uh, it
would be kissing it if Pete Rose was reincarnated as
Oh my gosh, that's crazy. I think that's funny. Uh
John Brosie, Uh an unsighed Bob Feller t is more
rare than a signed one. That is so so true.
(32:04):
Oh my gosh. Let's see Stuke's my site improved after
a prescription regiment of steroids according to my odd doctor,
plus my knee pain and plantar fanciitis went away. That's good.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Well that's also a Stok's. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
By the way, I want to congratulate Stus because he
has just retired. I think that this week was his
final work day.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well I did not know that Congress to him. Uh,
Mookie says, Orlando is the all time leader in walking videos.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, I do, uh going out for walks. I did
go ahead and do so my life streaming do my
walks just kind of sharing some opinions something. Yeah, thank you, Mooky,
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That's funny. Uh, Steel City, would Bond's chances grow if
he if he owned it? Does Pete Rose have a
better chance than Bonds? Because he did own it.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Well, guys, here's the thing. Pete rose according to Major
League Baseball, and according to the investigators, Pete didn't fully
own it. He partially owned it and he thought that
was best, and he agreed to the permanent in eligibility
in order to not have a finding that he bet
on baseball. Okay, so my guess is Bonds would be
(33:24):
thinking about something like that, to partially own it, just
like an Andy Pettitt didn't partially own it as much
as he said, Hey, I just use these peds when
I was trying to recover from injury, and I just
want to admit it and get it out of the way.
Clemens silent, I didn't do anything, you know. So if
Bonds or Clemens or Maguire, you know, if they partially
(33:44):
owned it in some way that they could keep some face,
that's the bot. But I don't know how they do that.
But Pete didn't fully own it. According to the John
Dowd guy.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Let's see Jimseny Bob Fellow's autograph change over the years
or early versions better or more desirable? That's a good question.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Early is usually better.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, I would agree with that for sure. Uh, Stuke says,
thanks Orlando, We're almost caught up you guys. Mouki says,
Congrants Stuke, that's amazing news. Bo says Sosa, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Sosa, question Mark.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah yeah, so yeah. Abel as a Dodgers fan, I
say no to bonds, Bo says uh Sosha. Sosa partially
apologized to the Cubs, saying he made mistakes.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Maybe I made, but you know, like doctor Jimsais, those
are all partial thing, not completely denying it. I think
the only one that completely I think Kaseko is the
only one that said, yes, I did it for sure,
and these guys did it with me and all that.
I think he was probably the most open one. But
when you talk about some of those guys, like let's
(34:52):
say Rafael Palmerro, you know, he never admitted he lied.
He lied in Congress. And you know, here's a guy
that you know, three thousand kids, five hundre home runs
never he'll never get in and I'll never vote for
it because he just totally lied, you know. So that's
that's the only reason I give Conseko some credit because
at least he admitted it and admitted it completely.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
But he also named names.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
They said other things going on there. But I think
he had a forty forty before he was doing this stuff.
Maybe he was a big stud. He was fast, he
was strong.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Clement's misremembered it.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yes, yes, Clement's misremembered.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I've always been of the opinion that if you make
a mistake, just say I made a mistake, you know,
just go ahead and say it, you know, don't try
to cover it up, don't don't try to you know,
totally ignore it or anything like that. I always think
that's the best way.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
To get guys. Is are you Logan to be married?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yes, sir, Orlando, you married?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yes? Okay, I'm married too. Happily married. Okay, let's say
we're all happily married and not a card show. But
for a weekend, we the three of us separately, we
take off, we don't tell our wives where we're going,
and so we leave on Friday morning. But it's not
a card show. It's definitely not a card show. You
turn off your cell phone for the weekend, you come
(36:16):
back Sunday night, and you and your wife goes Orlando Logan, Jim,
where have you been? And you say I made mistakes.
I mean, is that gonna work. No way, you can't.
That's not an apology that I made mistakes. Your wife
is going to say, okay, and what would those mistakes be?
(36:38):
You know, if you want to come back in the house,
tell me what's going on. I made mistakes. Yeah, but
you have to be more articulating or it's not an apology.
It's you can't seek forgiveness for unknown whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
No, I agree with that. But if let's say that
I went and I had a wreck and it was
my fault, if you want to admit that that was
my fault and that was no mistake, but.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
You can't plead the fifth with your wife. I don't
want to incriminate myself. And this is this is a
family situation with the fraternity of Major League Baseball. It's competitive,
everybody's in this together, and just making mistakes. I think
you've got to fess up more than that. And to me,
that'd be the turrent and p rose like I said, partially,
(37:28):
partially fest up and substantially fest up.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
So Victor says, speaking of heaven, thoughts on the pope
Leo tops now card, whether they're like over one hundred
thousand copies of that card that were made.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I'd want to know what TOPS is doing with the
obscene profits they're making from that, because I don't think
they're paying royalties because he's a public figure. So I'd
like to know where the donation is going, and I
hope it it should go to a donation place of
Pope Leo's choice. You know, that's for the betterment of
(38:02):
of of humanity.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I agree with that. I told I was gonna buy
one of those cards, but I totally forgot about it.
So I'm sure I can find it on the secondary market. Uh,
fairly reasonably. I'm sure I just have to wait my time.
Uh let's see Jen City, says Sosa Maguire, saved the game.
Hard to believe they will not be put in at
some point, Michael Ham Orlando bo says, sounds like a
(38:29):
movie plot could be. Well, we got a lot of
comments we were almost caught up. Uh Steel City. Uh
that's me in Strongvielle. But I'm actually just buying cards,
all right, So I'll tell you what, guys, Let's let's
move on to the next topic.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Uh. Can I do one more thing? Because I misspoke
when Mookie was talking about the plaque. I was assuming
it was the plaque that was in the clubhouse that
says no betting on baseball and all that stuff. You've
seen those plaques historically. But he was talking about the
Hall of Fame plaque. You know that that what is
Rose's Hall of Fame plaque? Gon gonna read. And I
(39:09):
was just thinking, you know that that is tricky because
you don't want to say you know, you know this,
you know you you want to be fair about it,
but you want to tell the story on the plaque.
And so that brings the question of Clemens and Bonds
and Maguire, guys like that. Would they be suggesting or
recommending or drafting what their plaque would look like, because
(39:34):
it's a very delicate thing. You walk in the Hall
of Fame and you get you read the plaque of
Bonds and if it says he was you know the
the you know they can't put allegations on their So
I'm just wondering if those players would say, look, I
deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. And here's
what you could say. I had a long career, I
had these accolades in this period of my career. I
(39:56):
had these accolades toward the end of my career. I
love baseball something like that because I don't know who
who writes up the plaques. But that's that's that's tricky,
and so so would be another one because Sosa would
I think, would not be a Hall of Fame or
without without that home run chase that was that captivated
(40:18):
America and a lot of a lot of big home
run seasons.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So you know, talking about the plaques, so you know,
it makes me wonder did the players these days get
the vet what they want on the plaque or is
that solely the discretion of the Hall of Fame. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I doubt it.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, I would think that's up to the Hall.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Like that language, you know, and if they said you
were a scumbag or something, you say, can you change
the scumbag to dirt bag?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I'm pretty sure the Hall.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I think it's up to the Hall. It's their hall. Yeah,
And they're not they're not, uh, they're not directly affiliated
with Major League Baseball. They're a separate entity. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
The NASCAR Hall of Fame is the same way. Ziggy says,
good morning, It's great to see Orlando cheers. It's good
to see Ziggie Steel City. It would be interesting if
the Vatican sued for license.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Now anybody can sue.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
But it's Toss has made several Pope cars through the years.
Yeah they have. Mookie says, I'm using my new Pope
Pope car from Hobby Confessions. Forgive me, father overbid, I've
paid too much Stukes. I'm liking A Rod's new job
Timberwolves part owner. Well there you go. Do you guys know.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
That the that that A Rod's partner is Mark Lori,
who was one who was the key guy in the pit.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I did not know that.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yes, he didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Other guys ran the pit for a number of years,
and that's where he kind of cut his teeth. Very entrepreneurial,
very sharp. We had lots of dealings with him back
whatever that would have been, maybe in the eighties early nineties.
But he is super sharp. As he went on to
other great entrepreneurial stuff. And so he he and a
Rod are now I guess taken over for the for
(42:11):
the Tea Wolves and just in time for see if
they get a long ride here.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
So Pastor Craig says he's like to the party. Glad
to see you, Ziggy, says doctor Beckett. Cheers NASCAR guy,
forgot your name? They get my name?
Speaker 3 (42:25):
It hurts?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
That does hurt? Come on, Ziggy, you're better than that
and cheers, Uh Pastor Craig Hierland are good to see
you still City. I think that if stats are considered
valid in the books, they belong, they belong on the plaque.
So yeah, probably so Hall of Fame should be. Oh
(42:48):
come on, all right, so let's let's let's talk about
something different. We've talked about this for like forty nine minutes.
Let's see if we can get something in real quick.
Ps A is opening a retail store inside of Burbank
Cards in LA. I think it's kind of cool, but
I mean when you think about it, what you know,
(43:09):
what what are you going to be able to do? Exactly?
So what do you guys think about that?
Speaker 2 (43:14):
But I think it's go.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Ahead, No, you go ahead, or I've got something to say,
but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah. Well, I mean I think for them it's it's
a no brainer as far as uh, you know, it's
just for submissions and Burbank, especially the new store. I
think it's about thirty minutes from the PSA headquarters. Uh,
they'll probably put a couple of employees there with you know,
you're talking the biggest card shop in the country I
think is Burbank, and you know, they're going to draw
(43:40):
a lot of traffic. I think mostly it's going to
be a lot of the guys that are going to
be opening packs and they're going to want to get
that card graded right away. So I do think that
it's going to help PSA. You know, it's almost kind
of like a card show, having PSA at a card shop,
and sometimes you know, if you go to one of
these card shops where PSA is at the line so
long that it takes forever to get it done. So
(44:01):
I think for PSA it's a big win. I think
for rob theres is a big win. And I see
Burbank the new store is almost going to be like
a card shop, you know what the heck, put a
couple of guys in there, pay them whatever they do
minimum way just to go ahead and or just take
orders and take the cars and then drive them over
to the headquarters. I think it's great. I don't know
(44:22):
if that's something that they could actually do in too
many other locations. But I think that that's an ideal
situation and a good marriage between Rob and PSA.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Totally agree. It's a win win. I got a text
from Rob, we've been friends for many decades, inviting me
to the grand opening. This is the kind of news
that would make me want to go. Now I can't
go because I've got a conflict because I don't want
to be missing for a weekend with my wife. If
you know what I mean. You know, she knows where
(44:53):
I am, and she she's been. She's actually been to Burbank,
you know, to this, to the We went to the
store a few years ago. I had a great time,
So I'd love to go. This would make me want
to go even more to see how that's integrated. What
Burbank does amazingly is they're buying operation and then integrating
it into their stock. And you know, most people are
(45:17):
nervous about putting any expensive cards in the mail. They're
not mailing stuff to Burbank. They're they're driving up there.
They're standing in line to get Burbank to buy their cards.
Now they've got PSA there to say, you know what,
we're going to offer you this much for this card.
But if you grd it, you know, if you grade it,
(45:37):
we will. Our contingent offer is based on if it's
an eight or a nine or a ten, and so
I totally agree it's win win, but it needs you
could say, hey, I want them in my shop. Well,
you know, I think this is going to be more
than just a submission thing. It's it's got to be more.
But like Orlando said, this is the biggest volume dollar
(46:02):
volume card shop I think in the in the world.
And so if they can do it there, and they're
not gonna I don't think they're gonna have places all
over the country, but this would be cool if it worked,
you know, I'd I'd love to see BGSB in it.
But but not just any card shop. This is the
Burbank Sports Cards new location, Rob's Pride and Joy Ryan.
(46:25):
You know, the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
I mean, this is this is great, great news. I
think it's great news for the hobby. It's gonna make
Burbank even more of a place where national media want
to go to see what's cooking, what's hot, and so
PSA positioning themselves there another good move by PSA.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, I think It makes Burbank definitely a destination stop,
especially if you're a collector. If you're anywhere out on
the West Coast, you would probably want to stop there.
Looking at what they're saying, PSA is gonna it's a
new way to submit, a new home for collector. Uh
P s A's first retail store is coming to Los Angeles,
(47:05):
and it's gonna be inside Burdbank Cards Now Chris Carlin,
who told us in our chat that he's worked with
Rob on the Burdbank store launch. They will be opening
on May thirtieth. The shop is nothing like I've like
I've been in before except for maybe Dave and Adams
Superstore and uh Ton of Wanda. So it's gonna be
it's gonna be really nice. There's you know, they're gonna
(47:26):
have seamless submissions apparently, easy access to cards and ripping.
You can rip rip packs and then submit them right there.
Uh you know, that's that's all fine and good. It's
just I think that I agree with doctor Beckett. They're
gonna have to have something else, I think to really
make it, you know, you know, be special. You know,
maybe maybe have some kind of day when you can
(47:49):
bring cards in and for whatever fee, you can take them,
drop them off and you can get them back later
that afternoon or something. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
But I'm wondering what the Rev. Sharry, is PSA going
to pay rent for a kiosk inside that they are
they gonna have a little alcove or their own secure
area or or is uh is Rob gonna get a
percentage of what business they do? Uh? You know, I'm
(48:17):
just wondering what the arrangement is there. But like Orlando said,
I think it has the potential to be win win,
good for Rob and good for PSA. So again, they're
kind of a competitor from when I was running things.
But I'm I'm hobby first. You know. If this is
good for the hobby, then I'm that's terrific and I
think it probably will be.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah, I agree, of course, you know, I'm I'm pro PSA.
I'll always wear the hat. So any anything ps A
does like that, I think agree. It's it's good for
the hobby and it's gonna be good for Robin. Gonna
be good for ps A for sure. So we're getting
close on time, guys, Let's see what what kind of
comments we've got here.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Can you bring up to one about Orlando again?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
No, we had more than enough of comments about.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Me sight for sore eyes though. That's good.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Thanks, thank you so much. I do want to remind
everybody that today is the Previnet and as a horse
racing fan, I think it's a big day today, and
it's actually there one hundred and fiftieth anniversary and a
small plug. My daughter, her company ex Media Collective, was
chosen to design the logo for the Preakness this year
(49:32):
and I'm so excited about that, and she's also gonna
be designing the one for the Pegasus Race too, So
as a horse racing fan, just a shout out to
her and a shout out to uh. To a big
racing day today with the Prenet.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah, I'm kind of a quasi horse racing fan.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
You're here in Germantown where I live. Every year we
have a Germantown Charity horse show, and this year is
the seventy sixth edition of that, and in conjunction with that,
they have a horse show a horse excuse me, a horseshoe.
They had horseshoes and they give out clues to go
find them. So I actually found one the other day.
(50:12):
I thought that was really neat. In fact, they're doing
it today and when I get off of hobby Hotline,
I think I'm going to go try to find some
more horseshoe. So yeah, good day for the preaknous, Good
day for horses. So any any closing comments, you got
anything you want to else you want to say, Orlando.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
I think it's gonna be a fun day. I like
I like the I love the Kentucky Derby, the Pregnus
and the Belmont. I just I think it's one of
the biggest days for the horse racing fans, and it's
a big sport. And you know, John Mangini and I
had an argument that he thinks that Secretary is Secretariat
was the best athlete ever, so maybe the best horse,
(50:49):
but I don't know about athlete. But that's his contention.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
You know what that's based on. It it's kind of
based on measurements. It's it's based empirically on his his
stride land and his times and things like that, and
how much better he was, just like Babe Ruth hitting
more home runs than the rest of the league. You know.
It's so he had physical characteristics as well as performance
(51:12):
characteristics that put him head and shoulders above more so
than any other human athlete. But I agree, I'm I'm
not collecting horses collecting cards right with any sport. I'll
do women, I'll do men, I'll do, but I need humans.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, I'm kind of a quasi secretariat collector. I have
that that card that has one of his hairs on
it from Kentucky Derby, So I know it's kind of weird,
but I just I just kind of liked it.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
I'll share one of my jockeys and jockey cards. This
is an eighteen eighty eight Good Ones Champion and it's
in an old Dai label, which I actually love these labels,
you know, because not only does it have a nice thing,
but on the top here something somebody should have. It
has the actual card and description of the card. So
when you put in a box of knache, you can
(52:04):
see the top. I don't know why nobody's ever thought
of that, or of that concept about that. It is
kind of kind of neat. I've held on to that
and I won't break it out, and I'll leave it
in that forever.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
That's not why they went bankrupt. No, they went bankrupt
because they had some employee problem. But at the core,
at the beginning, they were they were so good guys.
We knew those guys and and uh, but then they
got big and then they you know, just the supply
and demand and the EBB and flow of business. It's
it's tough to grow a business. It's tough to tough
to deal with employees leaving and then trying to replace
(52:35):
them with people that are not fully trained or getting
up to speed. So gratings, gratings, tough, gradings, tough A.
I had a good ride there for a little while,
and they did stuff nobody else was doing like that, Orlando.
That's a good example of their innovation.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
It's kind of a combination of the STC but with
just a little bit nicer, better. Uh you know, flip there.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
All right, we're uh, we just went into hobby hotline
over time. So I guess it's time to say goodbye
to everybody out there. I'm gonna leave everybody with this.
Uh Abel says we need a secretariat cut auto all right,
So uh, I just I just want to say real
quick thanks everybody for spending your Saturday morning with us.
(53:18):
We really appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
UH.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Next week, Hobby Hotline will return with more of your
favorite hobby hosts. UH so happy collecting everybody, and UH
from doctor Jim in Orlando. We will see you folks
next week.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
Thanks Logan, Thanks thanks Logan.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Appreciate it.
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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis, to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.