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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Good morning, everybody happy June twenty First, this is the
second installment of the month, but it's actually the first.
We were supposed to go live June seventh. I was
under the weather and we did not have any other
engineers available. I apologize. I'm feeling a lot better, not

(00:51):
one hundred percent, but a lot better. And here we are.
And before I go into some house cleaning stuff, let
me introduce my fellow panelist today. I'm joined by Orlando
a Collector's Dream.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Good morning, sir, Morning doctor Jim.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I hope you're doing okay and do feeling well? And
below it's only on screen. Uh, you know, I don't
know how that happens. But as I always say to
the man, it needs no introduction, but I will give
him one just the same, Doctor James Beckett, Good morning,
doctor Jim.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
I just had an idea. Good morning. If we're short engineers,
I'm going to put out a bounty right now if
some hobbyists can come forward and want to be on
Hobby Hotline and want to and have the skills to
do the engineering and and pass muster. You know that
that pass the vetting that they love the hobby and

(01:46):
have some skill I will give a bounty. I will
give a reward at the National if one or two
people come forward to help shoot beload because this is
a great effort, but it's a big burden on you
John and others who managed kind of the switchboard when
you looking at all these comments and trying to do
Jeremy Lee does it all the time, but it's it's

(02:08):
an absolute skill. If somebody else has that skill, see
me at the National. I will give a bounty.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
There you go. How about that? How about for me?
I've been doing it like do I get back taps?

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Okay, well I actually will do that. I'll give I'm kidded.
I'm kidding you see me in the National. You know
where to find me. In fact, I turn my phone.
There you go. I have a feeling we talk a
little bit natural. Let's get to some good mornings right
off the bat. Here, Mad City Bru says, good morning, everybody.

(02:42):
Is the show's ten times better than fanatics. I will
say this, it's at least ten times cheaper.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
To put on. I'll go that far, uh to say,
Frank g Staatela, good morning, gentlemen, Good morning, Frank chrisy.
We have three goats awesome pan at least two. I'm
not counting myself, but thank you. I appreciate the the sentiments.
Good morning, Chris says, I'm on the way into a
huge show in Fairfield, California. O'Riley sell anything, but today

(03:13):
I'm trying to get some wax to grab a Grail card.
So sell some wax to grab a Grail card. Collector
not hoarder, says, good morning, all able in Vegas. Good morning.
Let's not break any hardware today. So, yeah, I dropped.
I dropped a mouse a couple of weeks. It didn't break,

(03:34):
but I dropped it on the air. So yes, way
better than fanatics. All right, guys, let's start off with this.
We're not gonna you know, there is some confusion I
kind of alluded it to in my intro here. Rather
than every week, as I pointed out, engineering is a
tough shoe to fill, hence doctor Jim's bounty. We're with

(03:59):
the first third Saturday, whatever those dates are each month,
and you know summer we're ramping up to the nationals.
People's schedules get busier. Mine included everyone on screen, right,
it's kind of a busy, Uh you know, hobby season
is year round, but this time of year, as we
get closer to the Super Bowl, hobby schedules get a

(04:21):
little tighter. So again, this is not necessarily set in stone.
It's set in stone for now, but we can we
can veer off this and revert back to weekly or
stay with it. But that's just something we decided to
do during this time of year. So the show is
still going on. The format hasn't changed. It's just the

(04:43):
format hasn't changed as far as when when we are live.
But we'll be the first and third Saturday of each month.
We have a special event coming up in July we'll
talk about towards the back end of the show, everybody,
So let's get it sort of our first topic here.
This one directly affects me, guys, but it affects really

(05:06):
the whole hobby in the in the grand scheme of things.
So I still am an SGC BOLK submitter. But on
June eleventh, they called all the BOLK submitters and informed
them that the boat rate, the discout rate we get
as BOLK submitters, was going by the wayside of being
done away with. It was coming from above SGC. That's

(05:30):
how it was worded, it's not our call, this is
from above us. You can can figure out what that
probably means without me saying as such. And basically my
rep who felt terrible on the call I could tell
by his tone, basically said John, you can do it still,
like that's your prerogative. You just won't get those lower rates.

(05:52):
Those are not going to be effects starting on June twentieth.
So starting yesterday, I'm still some some of the bulk
subbers that I talked to are not going to do
it anymore. A lot of my clientele reached out to
me and say, listen, if you're you know, depending on
your price, we still like to sub three. So I'm
still gonna do it. I obviously have to adjust pricing.

(06:15):
But this leads into sort of a you know, I'll
start with you.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Doctor Jim.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
During your back at days and obviously begs, did you
have bulk subs that got a cheaper rate for being
a folk suber.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
We basically had quantity pricing, so if people aggregated their
own or others, they were going to get a they
were gonna they could pass on to saving. So it's
more that you know, when we first got in. I
think we were thinking more about collector rather than dealers
and trying to make it because PSA had some friction
of you know, they didn't I don't know that their

(06:50):
collector's club was going as strong, and we just said, look,
if you want to send in cards sending cards, the
more you send, the cheaper it'll be. And and that
went fine, I would find because everybody knew there wasn't
like a special deal. It was you send in a thousand,
you're going to pay less than if you send in
one hundred, and you're going to pay more if you

(07:10):
send in one card.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, when you heard this, tactor Jim, what were your
like initial thoughts did you? Did you see anything like
big picture? I mean, what what do you think that this? God?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I have two points. One is that it's a little
bit of a kick in the teeth for your best customer. Yeah,
the people that are really going out there like you
being their ambassadors. What I would have done if I
were them is I would have said, bulk rates at
the cheapest class of service is no more, you know,
but higher rates, you know, the higher levels of service, Yes,

(07:47):
will do that. But they may have been being getting
overwhelmed with the cheaper submissions, which then they're further discounting
and then they're getting behind. But at BGS, it's or
any of them. It's like, bring me all the high
value cards you can bring me and all the cards
that you want in a faster turnaround that you're paying
more for, bring them on. But the bulk rate things

(08:11):
that are large quantities of not that great cards to
not give a further discount on that, I understand that,
But I said, if I were a bulk submitter like you, John,
I'd be frustrated. But you'll find a way. I mean,
it's their prerogative. I'm struck by Chris Carlin, who I
think that's Chris c and he works for collectors and

(08:35):
is frustrated because he's a true hobbyist. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
I don't know if that's Chris Carland.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Okay. If it's not, there's yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
I don't think it is. I think it's a gentleman
named Christy.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
He can correct us, Okay, but the you know when
he was at Upper Deck, No, that's not that's not Yeah, Okay,
I think I think crush you is this full name?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Like so, just just to be factual correct.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
So well, I don't think Collectors is necessarily getting trying
to get rid of SG. But if that would have
been Chris Carlin, he would have been maybe inside information.
But but I think they just want to keep s
SGC in their lane.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah as A And.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
So some of the bulk stuff that they're getting, if
it's brand new cards, I think P s A wants that.
If it's T two of sixes, then I don't know that.
I mean, SGC does really well with the pre war stuff. Yeah,
it's not a bulk submission kind of thing as much
as one here and two there, Orlando.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
You know, we before I you know about A not
to Go, there was some contact creators doing some videos
and again to each and their own right, the end
is near. SGC is going to be phased out. When
I saw some of that content, knowing actual c the
way I do, knowing some of the people there for
five six years and talking to them, you know, I

(10:01):
just didn't see that. And I thought some of that
content creation was sort of click bait to get views.
In that sort of thing, everyone's a title to their
opinion and then this this shoe drops And I'm not
saying they're right. I'm not saying that content was right again,
but it does make me scratch my head and say,
what's the long term here? You know, And anyone from

(10:23):
the corporate space knows Tree in two to three years
into an acquisition, a merger, that's when things start to
really occur. And that's where we are with this acquisition.
We're two plus years in. I'll turn to you, Orlando.
Do you think this is just a business decision and
not a big picture thing or you think this is

(10:44):
like maybe the first shoe to drop and there's more
more to come.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
Well, I mean, first of all, I'll say it was
very disappointed in that because I had a guy boc
A Cards that I would sell all my stuff for SGC,
and as a VIG collector, you know, I love that SGC.
That's really my favorite slab. And you know, for me,
it was very convenient because he literally lived, you know,
twenty thirty minutes from my house, and I didn't have

(11:12):
to mail the cards. I literally went and dropped them
off and then he delivered them directly to SGC, and
then he'd call me and I'd pick them up, so
I'd really never had to go through the mail and
I'd save about a dollar a card. You know, it
doesn't seem like much, but you know, you avoid the
mailing and any risk involved in there. So I felt

(11:32):
really safe doing that. And I got to know him
personally and he was really a super super great guy.
And I think he probably was the biggest submission sub
guy too as GC. And so that's a shame. And
you know, I know now that he's going through doing
different things.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Like you know, he'll wipe down your cards and give
you the.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
Soft sleeves back and stuff like that, just trying to
make up for and continue to get some business. But
that hurts people like that because that kind of was
main his main business. Also, it's a shame that had
to go through that. You know, I think about SGC
remaining in business, and you know, I'll go back to
what doctor Jim says.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
They're trying.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
PSA is keeping them in line, that's for sure. You know,
SGC would every once in a while, you know, lower
their prices, and that kind of made PSA not be
able to raise their prices too much, especially turnaround time, turn.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Around time and all that.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
So I think this is a way for them to
really control the entire grade, not the entire grading, but
you know, let's say ninety percent or more of the
grading company.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Out their business.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
So that's a little bit more power pulp that they're
doing when you know, I'm not happy with that, but
you know, it's business, and business is business. And now
that they opened up a place right in the same building,
I see even though that they do not accept, you
can't like I can't go and submit to PSA directly there.
I can still go to SGC and submit my cars

(13:03):
directly to SGC. So that's that's one thing. But I
think eventually they're going to go ahead and submission center.
It's very easy for them to do that. And you know,
they they now they own the whole building and it's
a brand new building that invested in there. So I
think it's just like you know, doctor Jensen, it's a
control as far as them, I gotta stay in business.
You know, they've been around I think what thirty five

(13:24):
years or something like that now, so I don't think
they're going away.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
So a lot of the.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
Guys on YouTube, we're all saying, yeah, they're gonna go away.
I know, you know, Mike Baseball Collectors predicted and in
less than two years they'd be gone, and a few
guys just follow that lead. But I truly feel that
they're going to be around. They have their fan base,
they have a lot of vintage guys that really love
the slab and you know, think about a lot of
the big cards sold the slabs, you know, are those

(13:51):
going to be transferred over?

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I don't believe.

Speaker 6 (13:54):
So I'm going to continue with the sg myself. Personally,
I just like the slabs. I like the look of them,
and you know, I just feel that they've been around
a long time. I don't think PSA is going to
let them, you know, go out of business. They have
a very very good track record there. They're greater, see
my opinion, more consistent than the PSA graders, and seem

(14:14):
to be more veteran than you know, as far as
vintage cards than the say graders. I just don't see
them going away an anytime soon.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Well, guys, what if PSA offered to a free graded
card crossover any SGC card worth more than one thousand dollars,
bring it to PSA, We'll convert it, no charge, put
it in our PSA slab. We can't guarantee you get
the same grade, but if you want to cross it over,

(14:42):
we will do it for free. If they start doing
stuff like that, that's further compromising what you said, Orlando,
which made a lot of sense. There's a lot of
really good cards in SGC holders.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, I think in that case a.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Lot of them wouldn't cross it over.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
Some yeah they would, they cross over with a grade
we don't know, but yeah, I mean in that case,
if it's something free like that, yeah, you know, I
would probably submit some cards, you know, why not.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I'm gonna say, I think a lot of you know,
I love SGC too, Orlando, Like you said, I think
a lot of people would take especially on the free
when it's free. I think a lot of people would
jump jump aboard that. And if doctor Jim, if they
did something like that, I think I'm not predicting that,
but if something like that was happened, I think that

(15:29):
would be an indication of what direction maybe they're even
heading in, or what their future plans are for SGC.
I think that would be a show of the hand
a little bit. Why would you do that if you
really that you're in a way you're kind of cannibalizing
yourself I know it's collectors owns both companies, but in

(15:52):
a sense that's sort of cannibalizing yourself. Here's a question
from Abe. He says, does p s A offer both
pricing discounts the way SGC did? If I submit myself,
I could do nineteen dollars, but if I submit bulk
to com see, for example, it's twenty three dollars. I
do believe that PSA offers their bulk suburbs a discount.

(16:14):
I don't know if it's in the same vein of
the one I got as an SGC bulk suburb. I
can't speak to the percentages or that sort of thing,
but I'm pretty sure they do and still do.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
So.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
You know, you pointed out some great points, Orlando, right.
Here's here's two companies owned by the same parent company.
One is a cheaper rate and getting the turnaround times
in a lot quicker fashion. And it probably was. You know,
PSA folks are probably like, we're sort of being upstage
by our little brother here, and like doctor Jim said,

(16:53):
maybe that's the reason for the bulk rates to be ended.
I can tell you any when that subbed through SGC
of recent can tell you to turn around times went
from ten to twelve days to thirty days. I don't
know if that was like mandated, like, hey, you're sort
of making us look bad with these two week turnarounds

(17:15):
when we're months and months like knock it off. Or
you know, there's a rumor I'll just.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Say, oh, it's such a good job.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, well there's a rumor, doctor Jim. And again I
don't have this on any substantiated evidence, but there's a
rumor that PSA plucked some of the more experienced veteran
graders that worked for SGC and brought them over to PSA,
which led to SGC having to move less experienced graders
up into more premium positions and train and higher new graders,

(17:50):
and so their grading floor had less manpower on it.
I don't know if that's true or not true. I'm
just saying that's been bad and about as as that's
one reason.

Speaker 6 (18:02):
Well, it would be a possibility a need for them
to do, especially if they're accepting, you know, taking cards.
In that same building they made just some of the
sgc's graders to grade, you know, some of those PSA cars.
I don't know if they're doing that, but you can
always see them taking you know, let's take five graders
and you know, see if we can speed up our

(18:22):
our our you.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Know, delivery time there. But you know what, we'll we'll
find out.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
I think it takes some time for us to find
out exactly what their actual strategy is, you know, and uh,
let's let's see what happens. But I just don't believe
that they're going to be just totally elimin ABC. I
think there are many collectors that you know, just uh,
you know, love SGC, just like many collectors love the
Beck Slab.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
We were looking at it from PSA's perspective, and that's good.
But the only book submitter I know that does all
four of the of the major UH card grading companies
is Joe Davis. Got baseball cards out outside of Atlanta.
He does all four. I'd love to know what his
opinion on this. I bet he's thinking that PSA not

(19:08):
affected very much. SGC may be affected and go down
a little bit at the expense of BGS and CGC,
you know, they and so gem rate. You know, we
wait another.

Speaker 7 (19:21):
Month and see, you know, it may be of a
benefit to to BGS and CGC that they're getting cards
in the in the bulk submission that would have gone
to SGC, maybe goes to them.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
I think PSA is already they're so gigantic. But John
and I talked about this in our episode hasn't come
out yet. Is that I believe in the next in
the years to come, there will be additional grading companies
of substance and that break into the top three, four, five, whatever.

(19:54):
We won't be just talking. You know, it's hard to
see PSA not being number one, but we would have
thought a year ago or before PSGC was acquired, that
they had a very strong number two position in terms
of their volume. But BGS was a very strong number two.
You know, if you go back a number of years
and so there'd be maybe a different number two. There

(20:17):
may be a number five that's big. So we're we're
in the wild West here. Things are happening and we're
not controlling it. John, you get the ability to respond
to it. And but the sad part is you could
talk all you want SGC. I think it's out of
their hand. Yeah, no, they want your business.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
I'm sure the call, like I said, the call my
rep I won't mention a boy my name, but very solemn.
You know, you you talk to people in your life enough,
you know when someone sort of kind of faking and
this or really is sort of gut punched and really
hates to make the call. And that was my impression

(20:57):
with him, and he said as much. He made a
point to let me know, like, this was not our decision.
I just am the messenger here and it stinks and
I wish I was making a different type a phone call.
A couple comments here, yeah, go ahead, go ahead, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
How is his position not being eliminated if you rep
for bulk subs and there's no more bulk?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
I think he has. I think that's one of his titles.
I think he does. He does.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
There's a lot of implications here.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Well maybe he said for himself too, maybe yeah, yeah,
maybe see some writing on the wall that I'm not
even thinking about. Gordon makes a point, right, If PSA
eliminates our collectors, eliminates SGC, someone else is just going
to fill their voids. So that's something to consider. Thank you.

(21:50):
Carl Taylor says, really interesting talk. It's one twenty two
am where he's at, so we can be interesting at
one twenty two in the morning. I'll take that a
feather in our cab.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Go ahead, let me let me make a thank you, Carl.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
Let me tell you that as an ex marketing guy,
I think one of the big advantages for them to
for STC to do that is by now their force
C collectors to sign on directly with STC to you know,
send their cars directly to them. And what that does
is that gives them so much information direct access to

(22:27):
these collectors that they may not have had. So literally
they're taking and scooping up all of the different customers
from these bulk submitters, putting them in their own database,
which is actually PSA's database.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
So now they have a more.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
Directs and more information and marketing information where they can
market directly to the collectors versus just the sub sub
you know, the sub guide. So I think it's a
great marketing strategy for them that we.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Didn't think about.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
I think it's super important because a lot more people.
I'd like to see how many more people are signing
up to do direct submissions test GC versus what they
had in the past.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
That's coming right out of the fanatics playbook. Yes, they're
doing the same thing they want. They want customer information
so they can market to directly the customer. And again
that could be a problem for certain card shops or
for certain distributors because but that's the direct consumer and

(23:27):
the customer intimacy. That's a big deal.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Now, Yeah, a couple comments guys, and we'll kind of
go into our next topic, right. Abel says since the pandemic,
he's been grading solely with PSA, but he's going to
give CGC a try it to national. James Winn says
he's been CGC all the way and I think that
was the first thing. And we'll kind of close with this.

(23:49):
Right when I got the call, obviously it was not
a call I wanted to let the ambulance pass by here.
That was not a call I wanted to get. But
I just thought, man, this is this is you know,
if you look at the gen rate reports that that
doctor Jim alluded to, right overall, cgc's number two, but

(24:10):
that's heavy because of TCG. Uh intake if you're taking
you know, I'm not a TCG guy. So I look
at the sports side of things and and sgc's number
two on that list. But I think I wonder if
this folk subbered rate decision is going to really open
that door for CGC to really move into that number

(24:31):
two slot, even without without TCG or with you know,
and that's I don't want to say my fear, but
like you know, I don't know, I don't know really
what you know, I'm not in that room making that call.
I just wonder if it was, you know what what's
in play here and that sort of we may never

(24:52):
officially really know, we can only speculate and that sort
of thing. So one last comment from Mookie h the
upshot is because collectors bought them, as shec, no longer
needs to aggress aggressively compete with PSA to survive, and
so they won't compete, and maybe they won't survive. Well,
their survival really depends on collector's decision. Because they own them,

(25:16):
they can they can eliminate them. That's part of that acquisition.
When you're owned by somebody, you can be you know,
could put it by somebody when you're your individual entity.
And so for you know, owned by an owner, he
decides he or she decides that's off the table now
fresh you know, Dave Foreman is not the owner uh

(25:39):
anymore collectors And so they decide that it's in their
best interest that SGC doesn't exist. That that will happen
whether we like it or not. I know Orlando won't
like it, and I won't like won't like it. You know,
I want to speak for doctor Jimmy probably doesn't like
to hear that. You know, there's that human element too, right,
and people are going to be some people are going

(26:00):
to be out of work. Uh so uh, you know, somebody.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Was skilled is going to be out of work. They'll
they'll have a place somewhere, either one of the existing
ones or what. But this reminds me of of load
management and n b A tanking. Uh. Players don't tank.
Organizations tank. So I p s A was tanking SGC,

(26:28):
it'd be because they were not putting the best players
in the game. We're not put we're moving the best
graders over to p s A, and so you know,
things like that, and then p s A and the
SGC is doing the best they can. But maybe now
they're shorthanded.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, I think I will say that as someone on
the front lines of seeing those turnaround times drastically change
and and something's going on because if you look at
the UH and I got an episode shameless plug Monday,
Hobby Quickets. It's gonna be so my thoughts on SGC
and what's going on, and I'm going to allude to this.
I think I think there's something going on there that's

(27:09):
affecting the turn because they're not getting more cards. It's
either the same or even a little less. You had
to turn around times have tripled, so there's something at play.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Again.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Speculating to what that is, I'll do a little bit
of that on my Monday content. But all right, guys,
you know, let's go into kind of segues right into
you know, this one PSA GameStop relationship. Like doctor Jim said,
we got on the seventh and fourteen. Doctor Jim will

(27:43):
be a guest on sports Car Nation, so we were ready.
I've already kind of no doctor Jim's take on this,
and his take sort of enlightened me because I read
a report like GameStop was going to buy PSA from Collector,
And when I've read that, it really struck me as
funny because I'm like, GameStop was almost filed for bankruptcy

(28:06):
like three, four or five years ago, and they're gonna
buy PSA. The number one grating card company in the hobby,
Like what am I missing here? And they already have
a relationship, And I'll let doctor Jim speak as well.
I'm sure he's gonna say the same thing he said
to me when we were recording for Sports Our Nation.

(28:26):
But they have a great relationship now, so they're probably
not gonna be a sale. Was just going to be
more of a relationship. Maybe they'll get deeper in what
they're doing, and I think that's exactly what. But I'm
gonna let doctor Jim go first here Orlando, because when
I heard that PSA was gonna be bought by game
Stop in the article I read as the head scratcher,

(28:48):
I said, this makes no sense to but go ahead,
doctor Jim. When I when I know what I brought
this up during that show, you what you said, like
the light bulb went on, So I'll let you go
as well.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
They already have a relationship. There's some similarities in what
they want to do. But GameStop has some things, has
two things that PSA want. One is whatever it is
thirty six hundred stores, which then are submission centers and
could be more you know, real estate, those relationships, but Secondly,
the other more important thing is GameStop is public, and

(29:23):
so if they merged, if game Stop technically bought them,
and if you dig deep, you see that GameStop has
five billion dollars in the bank, and that's unusual for
a public company because you're supposed to put the money
to work, and they've said that that money is there
for potential acquisitions. News flash, PSA Collectors is probably worth

(29:48):
five billion dollars. Their latest valuation was in the four
something rain and so for them to get cash and
stock out of game Stop, they will become public and
they have a liquidity event for all their investors and
owners that may want to get out. And then to
me that Turner's the new CEO of the combined entity.

(30:12):
I could really see it happening. When people say no
comment or that's not we're not currently thinking about that.
You know, that's that's polite. Uh and it's probably not
a lie, but you can't. There's transparency, and then there's
letting somebody you know, giving full information of something that
might be on the horizon.

Speaker 6 (30:33):
That's why exactly those are the best points right there.
They're public, and they've got cash, and they could raise
because they're public more cash exactly. You can imagine if
they announced that they're going to go ahead, I mean,
people would invest in game Stop even more so. I
think that that's the huge advantage that they have.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Has A is A is a financial mess. If you
look back over the last years of the wild ride
that it's been on, what it has Another good thing
Another thing that PSA would really be interesting. They have
a very strong emotional connection and following with many of

(31:16):
the formerly youth of America, you know that this is
part of their childhood and they're emotionally connected to go
down there and trade video games or what they're going
to do. So there already is is a strong emotional connection,
just like there is with PSA, just like there is
with the hobby. And so it's it could happen.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, great points. Un lesson game talk about game Stop.
Man talk about Phoenix rising from the ashes they were
on against the Ropes life support and here they are
coming out smelling like Roses. They're starting to add more
wax and packs into their store inventory. That will increase.

(32:00):
I'm HEARDing that will continue even on the sports side
of thing, not just the TCG. When I first heard
that GameStop was going to be taking cards for PSA.
I thought that would be a nightmare. Now there has
been there has been some bad stories, but I will
say this, it hasn't been as bad as I predicted.

(32:21):
It hasn't been as big a nightmare as I thought
it was going to be when I heard that announcement. So,
you know, so here we are in that relationship I
think's going to grow and get bigger. Whether that's like
doctor Jim says, it doesn't have to be an acquisition.
They're already sort of aligned with each other. They already

(32:45):
have a business relationship. It's like, you know, I kind
of maybe it's so bad analogy. It's like when someone
is going together with someone for thirteen years, you know,
let's get married, Like I, we're kind of already married.
Like what, it's just some mantic so it's just formal, right,
It's sort of that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
So no, it's like that. But there are benefits to
being legally married. That's why there's same sex marriage in
America now because there are.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Benefit assurance insurances in the.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Way they're doing and same thing with ps A. Marriage
means ps A that they that they are inside that
public company shell of game Stop. Then they get the benefits.
They don't get the benefits if they just have a
quote unquote relationship. They have to be part of the
public entity, and then they get different kind of tax considerations.

(33:42):
You know, it's there's uh in liquidity. It's guys, there's
a possibility.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
So you take that go ahead.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
Game Stop has customers who are into all that nostalogy,
and those are people that could easily become card collectors.
Imagine going in there renting some games, buy some gays,
and then they see cards and oh, I remember that, Griffy,
I remember that. And these are guys that, like doctor
Jim said, are in that era that could easily be

(34:10):
converted into card collectors.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Plus you know gamers.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
You know. So I think that there's there's a really
good mix there people in game Stop that p s
A would want to have.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, do you I mean let me, I mean do
you think you know, do we think it just continues
business as usual or they ramp up their relationship or
do you think we might see a news flash? You know,
uh PSA acquired by games.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
One of them is gonna get pregnant. Guys, that's a line,
and somebody will spill the beans. I mean, if there's
a rumor, you know, next thing, you know, there'll be
different kinds of denials. But you know, it might not happen.
It's it's hard to put companies together. But but I
I actually think it's real.

Speaker 6 (34:58):
Possibility it could happen. I mean, you know, but a
lot of things could happen. P s A could decide
to go public themselves, or fanatics may decide to go.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
They said, they said, I think I've heard that, or
I don't know. I might be getting fanatics mixed up
with I know one of them has like publicly stated
that's a long ago.

Speaker 6 (35:17):
Eventual Forts stated that that.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, and maybe PSA says, hey, if they can do it,
we can do it, all right, guys, any final thoughts
you think we I think we kind of covered the
terrain here speaking of fanatics. Let's let's go into uh
that as a topic.

Speaker 6 (35:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
We've got fanatics Fest going on as we speak, uh
right now, Uh, you know started yesterday, ghost today, uh
and as well as tomorrow. I've seen a lot of content,
I don't want to say a lot. I've seen a
decent amount of content come out it starts studed. You've
got athletes and celebrities just walking the floor amongst other collectors.

(36:01):
They've changed the layout with this year's incarnation of the show.
Compared to last, Orlando and Doctor Jim, the dealers are
more to kind of together and in the show instead
of almost like in a separate room. So they're incorporating
as to feel more part of the event. Last year

(36:22):
they felt sort of a separate entity. Now they're being
made more part of the event itself. Fanatics has said
all the right things like, hey, we're not trying to
beat the National. This is not the National. The National
is still the National. Yet they sort of doing things
that sort of say we kind of want to be

(36:43):
a little bit like the National. They have more signers
this year than they did last year. They put them
in a different spot so as not to disrupt the
floor or the traffic on the floor. I'm gonna take
the graphic off here and make us big again. Just
I've never been in New York City's my hometown. I'm

(37:06):
not saying I'll never go it. Probably I probably have
a lot of fun. I just haven't made it. There
is this I know for you, Orlando. They had one
scheduled for Florida. I did get canceled. H They've said
that they they want to get it right, so maybe
rescheduled again in the future, once they get all their

(37:26):
demographics and other their ducks in a row. Is this
for doctor Jim for you or we'll start with Orlando.
Is this an event like if it's if it works
for you, you would attend or doesn't move your meter?

Speaker 6 (37:40):
Well, I mean I would attend to see what it's
all about. And there's a lot of things that I
would like to see there. You know, they have, for example,
the Museum of Greatness where they have a lot of
the mobilia and cards.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
You know from the history. I mean they have. I'd
love to see the setup they have.

Speaker 6 (37:55):
They have literally a box of every single tops product,
you know, complete boxes. They have a lot of you
know Babe Ruth, Mickey manno memorabilia and stuff like that.
I love to see that end of it because it's
almost like a museum. But you got to remember it's
it's not really the card part is not the biggest thing.
I mean, it's only two hundred and fifty tables as

(38:18):
far as that's what I heard about.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
The card area.

Speaker 6 (38:20):
So you know, it's not that big. You can go
to a bigger card should you want to.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
But it is what it is.

Speaker 6 (38:26):
It's a fan fest fanatics. It's all about fanatics. It's
all about their products. It's all about move stuff and
advertising themselves. You know, they have a lot of talks
and things like that. It's great for a fan. I
think it's great for kids, their kids there where they
can see their you know, their their their stars walking around.
Tom Brady's walking as a walking around and I think

(38:48):
for that for a fan of the game, I think
it's great for a somebody that's interested in buying cards.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
You know, there's better shows out.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
There, but there's a lot of really cool events that
they're doing there. Participate with the with the athletes, you know,
you know they have the shoot the pug, throw the
basketball or racing, all the stuff that they have. I
think kids like more than any But it is expensive
and probably even more expensive than the National it is.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
It's set sixty nine dollars to get in for a day.

Speaker 6 (39:21):
So that's and I was looking at this to get
a personalized autograph and picture of some of these stars,
almost like a thousand dollars you.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Know, Joe Montana or a Dan Marine or or stuff
like that.

Speaker 6 (39:35):
But it's a good chance for them to go see
you know, some of these different like they have you know,
conversations where they'll have Lebron just talking about the game
and just to sit there and watch them and listen
to what their opinions are.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
So I think it's more of what it is, a
fan fest.

Speaker 6 (39:52):
It's more for fans to go there, enjoy you know,
the athletes and just have maybe catch them there that
So I think what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, Rubin says it reminds him of the old Baseball
All Star fan fest. I shouldn't say, oh, I believe
they still do it today Mad City kind of a
tongue of cheek comment, But I want to kind of
play off this here, guys for Mad City Brew. After
twenty twenty six, will this turn into fanatics national Fest?
So here's my question to doctor Jim. I don't know

(40:25):
the answer to this question. Who owns the National? Is
it owned by like?

Speaker 6 (40:31):
Like?

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Can the National be bought? Can fanatics back up a
Brinks truck and buy the National and make it there
their national? How does this work? Potentially?

Speaker 3 (40:41):
First of all, can you put the graphic back up,
the one about the Fanatics fest that had the Oh oh.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I didn't I just took I just hang on, let
me get it back there we go?

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, okay, let me just say a couple of things here.
First of all, the National, I think it had some
nonprofit management kind of attorneys develop the legal structure for it.
So I think it's owned by technically the board or

(41:16):
the you know, the board of trustees, you know, the
board that gets to decide some of these things. The
show manager is an employed position that they do not ow.
Joe Drellik and his three Musketeers, they don't own it.
They're brought in as the outside managers, just like Brogie
and Burkas and all those. So I think it's owned

(41:36):
or controlled by that. The way it could be sold
is it could be dismantled. If it can't be sold,
it could at least be closed off, and that'd be
an opening for somebody to do something like the National.
They can maybe acquire the name National. Okay, So first
I'm going to make an editorial statement. I don't want

(41:59):
the Fanatics to be more like the National. I don't
want the National to be more like the Fanatics Fest.
I want them to each keep their distinctive flavor, and
I think that's what's best for the hobby. Having said that,
look at this sign here. Fanatics Fest NYC NYC is

(42:19):
even bigger than Fanatics or Fest. I believe the future
of the Fanatics Fest is mainly, if not exclusively, in NYC,
just like Comic Con was exclusively in San Diego for
many years and then it got so gigantic that it
went to some other. Okay, three points on the next line,

(42:42):
the world's largest arena for sports and collect first, the
worlds Okay, that's World is better than National according to
to Fanatics Fest. So there there, it's lofty. The next
word in there is arena. How are we talking about
an arena? Well, that suggests, uh, you know, a wrestling

(43:05):
arena or or a hockey arena. It suggests playing the game.
And then lastly, there's no cards mentioned.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
They don't say cards collectibles.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Guys. Come on, when you go to the National, it's
the it's the it's a card convention. There are collectibles there.
You go to Fanatics Fest, it's collectibles, it's sports. Cards
are not a bit conspicuous by its apps is not cards.
We are sports card collectors mainly, so I think this

(43:41):
is very intentional. These guys are very smart, and I
hope they will stay with that distinctive that it would
be the world's largest arena for sports and collectibles and
the National Sports Collectors Convention would be the premiere show
for card collectors again all over the world. But it's
hell in the United States.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
So you don't you don't see, you don't see, and
I hope you don't or I hope it doesn't happen,
but you don't. Uh, piggyback going back to Mad City,
where you don't see a world where Fanatics acquires the
National and then makes it theirs.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
I hope not.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I don't be completely It's kind of not their lane.
I mean, they've talked to a bunch of promoters, you
know that. Can Fanatics run a medium sized show for profit?
I'm not sure, but they can sure run a fabulous,
gigantic show in the heart of New York City at
a big loss and get unprecedented publicity for our for

(44:39):
our for our industry.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Do you think they're losing I know they lost money
on last year. Do you think that will happen again,
I mean that only only they.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Think they're hoping to lose more. Look at the publicity
they've gotten. They in fact, they're even talking about losing
money in terms of brand building. You know, Michael Rubin
was quoted. He'd a big article about how this is
not about making money, this is about building something really important.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, and listen, a loss is a tax ride off.
Anyone in business knows that.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
They're building their brand world exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
And it's a question on hardboard.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
It's not based on two and a half by three
and a half pieces of card. It's about the experiences.
It's about the apparel, it's about gambling, and it's about
buying stuff, which includes cards.

Speaker 6 (45:28):
They came out, Yeah, they came there. They're selling some
new merchandise there which are in explosive T shirts based
soccer style, selling it for like one hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Well even on the card and Orlando, there are I know,
Uh's F one. There's an F one Fanatics Tops product
that's to the show, and then there's a Baseball Series
two Fanatics Fest edition that can only be bought at
the show, and the inserts and parallels only come out

(45:59):
of the box.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
I think there's jack cards.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, yeah, so so there's that as well. A couple
of comments here Fanatics has no clue about the hobby.
They just didn't for the money. I think it's partially true.
I mean, I think they want to be financially viable obviously,
and they want to make some money. I hope they
care about the hobby.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
It's not not caring. They have a clue, but they
don't have all the clues. They haven't solved it because
they're kind of they're late to the party. They've got
some really smart people, but I think they need more
people that understand the industry, our industry, our hobby. In fact,
it's more hobby than industry that they need to understand,
and when they do, that's going to be great. So

(46:47):
they have a clue, but some of the clues they
have are incorrect because they're the clue based on other
industries that this normally works well. Things that normally work
in other industries sometimes blow up or blow up badly
in this one. So so I'm hoping that Fanatics is
on a learning experience. I think this Fanatics fest is

(47:09):
going to be better than the one before the next one,
but good luck Orlando. I don't know that there's gonna
be a fanatics Fest in Orlando for many years because
because I don't think that formula works and it doesn't
get them the publicity. You know, they figured out the
time of the year where they can maximize their visibility

(47:30):
and their athletes and all that stuff. They're they're they're
they're really sharp, and they're going to get a ten
X in New York. They can't get a ten X
in Orlando.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Here's a question I'll ask you, guys, which.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Is one of my favorite places?

Speaker 1 (47:47):
From Vetch card collector? He says, no young kids are
going to look at the National autograph lineup and get excited.
Your thoughts on that true? I mean, what's your take?
Do you agree with that.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Fanatics Fest is a much better entry point for the
hobby than the National and it always will be. There's
so many moving parts at the Fanatics Fest, even at
sixty nine bucks. It's getting up there to where it's
like going to Disneyland or Disney World. Yea, you know,
there's all these experiences. There's any any young person I

(48:18):
think is going to prefer Fanatics Fest unless they're a
hardcore card collector, which probably comes second. They said, gee,
I love the cards, but well, if you really love cards,
you're gonna want to go to the National because that's
the pre eminent event for card collector. If you love
sports and you love all these these activations and things

(48:39):
like that, there's there's probably nothing better than the Fanatics Fest.
Already in its second year. This is three hundred athletes there.
This is a this is a coup. This is fabulous.
And what twelve year old kid doesn't want to go
with their dad. If the twelve year old kid goes
with their dad to the National, what are they gonna
what are they gonna visit? Are they gonna go look

(49:00):
at vintage cards? I don't think so, They're gonna look
at what the kid wants to look at. If you've
ever taken your kid to Disneyland, you don't ride the
adult rides. You ride the rides that they want to ride.
Fanatics Vest, the dad and the kid want to do
some of the same stuff. So it's brilliant. They're really
doing a lot of things right, the WWE stuff, the

(49:23):
forty yard Dash, the athletic competitions. Again, it's not a
card show, but it's a sports entertainment collectibles show, and
it'll be the world's largest. And it's in the concept
of being in an arena where we're all participating. We're
not going into a quiet museum, which the National is

(49:44):
not quiet, but we're not just looking at stuff on
the table. We're active.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
So here one last question. We'll go to our last
couple of topics and we'll go through those kind of
quick Doctor Jim, Why can't we have this fanatics fast
in New York City for three days Friday, Saturday Sunday.
And we can't get a National in New York.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Because the dealers who vote for it are never the
expenses for getting your stuff in and out, for a hotel,
for all that kind of stuff. The dealers control the National.
They won't vote for that. Even if you told them, hey,
your sales are going to be double, they say, yeah,
but my expenses are going to be double. Now again,
if you do the math, you figure out what I

(50:24):
should still do it. But they don't think that way.
The hotel rooms would be twice as much, the loading
and unloading would be at least twice as much, and
so the numbers don't work there. They just they just
don't work. They don't work because because you can't have
as many corporate sponsors at the national You can have

(50:45):
corporate sponsors in Chicago, then get in, get out. Then
the hassle for corporate sponsors in New York City is huge.
So I get that that's a good thing. John, the
fact that they're they're they're they're that they're distinctive, and
that these guys do it this way and that's great,
and these this other way, and that's great. And that's

(51:06):
the way we're going to tenext the hobby, not melding
everything together so that it's one big experience. It's a
little bit of this, a little bit of that.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Not a little bit of this, A little bit. It's
a The only thing it's a little bit of comparatively
is cards Comparatively. It's it's the most It's it's way
bigger than an All Star fan fest, I think in
terms of the number of athletes, the multi sport, the
activations that are out there, the collectibles and the museum
and all that stuff. It's this is this is worthy

(51:38):
of all the media attention that they're getting on Sports
Center and all these other places. I mean, hats off
to them, and they're gonna lose millions of dollars and
we're all going to benefit from it, and we should
say thank you to Michael Rubin.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
I'm not gonna bud you can do it now, I'm kidding.
I'm kidding. I'm just kidding, little tugging, all right, So
let's talk about it. But we talk about a big show,
a big event. Let's talk about a big card. Here.
The onus Wagner's got about nine or ten hours to go.
The bids up to it's on Golden auctions three point

(52:12):
seven million, so this is over for It might even
be higher now. I haven't checked it since the show started.
This this is over four million with the buyers premium
added on to it. It's a PSA one, an old
label PSA one, PSA one, just the same, you know,
it's an icon of car. We don't have to necessary.

(52:35):
I showed this card to my wife, and she's not
a hobbyist. It'll look familiar to her. I think it's
obviously a huge rail card, even though doctor Jim has
two behind him and prior Orlando probably has one on
his desk. But I mean just kind of thoughts here.
You don't see him all the time, obviously for obvious reasons.

(52:56):
I mean, I guess, what do we think this card
finishes at? Are they know?

Speaker 6 (53:01):
I'll start with you, I mean, yeah, with the buyers
for I just morety four four million, one hundred and
fifty thousand, I think it's.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Gonna go over five million.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
You know, the highest graded, the highest priced one, I
think six point six and I was a three and
that was years ago, I do think. And you had
the authentic recolored one that went for about two million,
So I do think that probably could surpass with a
couple more bids. It could go over five million with
the buyer's premium. And so that's pretty much where I

(53:34):
see it going. You know, these cars just don't come
out come out too often, and you know, there's there's
less than sixty out there that exists, and it is
the one card in the entire hobby.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
So I think this is the first money out there.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Yeah, I'm surprised by this stat This is the first
numerical grade card to hit the auction block since twenty
twenty two, which is obviously for years. I know, like
you said, yeah, they're not prevalent. There's only so many
in existence. I didn't realize that's been three years since
a numbered Grade one hit the auction lie, So that

(54:10):
stat caught me a little surprising. I've heard seven million
is what they're predicting. Doctor Jim thoughts kind of in
this card, wear my wind up at and general.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
My first thought is I told my wife we would
be done at eleven o'clock. Okay, except I really don't know, guys,
other than the only sports card insight I can say
is that there harn't enough to go around. It is
the glamour card always has been of the hobby. The
fact that as an America Grade as opposed to an
A or something like that, it's all good. But what

(54:43):
we're finding out when some things are going up and
some things are going down, the things that don't appear
very often or at all. Like you said, this is
the first numbered one, and so there have been people waiting. Anytime,
you have people waiting when things are coming coming out
every three months, every six months, even these you know,
whether it's new cards or old cards. When they when

(55:05):
they're when they're visible and available, that holds the price down.
When they're not visible, they're visible but not available. In
this condition, you're gonna You've got people and they're not
saving up. These are people that are wealthy enough they're
going to just stroke a check.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
So I'm saving not a will be over by the
time I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
I'm hoping it doesn't go for too much. If it
goes for seven million, to me, that would be bad
because it would be so high up there. It raises
the bar. We get some publicity, but you know there's
a limit. You know there's there's a limit, so any rate,
I gotta go, guys, but it's always fun. Orlando, John,
thanks for doing that. I'm not I just have to

(55:48):
leave because I.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, we're about to wrap up. We're just gonna talk
about a live event. You know about it, doctor Jimson.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
I'm happy to be on and I enjoy it, but
I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yes, all right, thanks doctor jim all right, Orlando, me
and you will work a little bit over time. We
won't spend a time will make you late either or
myself late. I'm married too, so but my wife I
think Glad like she's like, do three hours.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Get out of get out.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
So we're part of an event. I think we've been
part of this event now since its existence, since it
started on bench Clear, which is what the show is
you're watching right now is on We've been part of
the inception of it. It's now on the four Collectors Network,
and that's the Hobby Palooza we're gonna be. It's the

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third Saturday, so it would be what our normal third
Saturday show, which is Saturday, July nineteenth, in our normal
time slot eleven am Eastern. The only difference it's part
of Hobby Palooza, a great event, which is Friday, Saturday
and Sunday, the second biggest three day event after Fanatics Fest.

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We'll just say that, and so we'll be on Saturday
eleven am normal time slot. You just won't find us
on Hobby Hotline, YouTube or bench Clear. You will be
on the four Collector Network three days of streaming content
from numerous, numerous, numerous great content creators. You won't be

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on Hobby Palooza or you won't be on Hobby Hotline
that morning, only because of a rule that exists, and
I get it makes sense because they don't want people
on more than two different shows, which you'll be on
two other shows. I'll let you you want to plug
them I'll give you that chance. But we'll have also
just so everyone knows the hobby Hotline version on Hobby

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Palooza like you used to see in three Ugly Mugs,
we'll have more than three on that show. And it'll
be engineered kind of off camera for us. So that'll
be a nice, a nice little break for me whoever
else would be an engineer, uh normally. So it's a
great event. They raise money for charity even better, right,

(58:08):
it's a great event without that, and then you factor
that in there, it's an even greater event. So uh,
you know, so happy to be part of it. We've
been part of it since the first year. I believe
the the the charity is one I love and help myself,
which is Signatures for Soldiers run by Tim Virgilio.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
If you don't know about I know he was the
national charity choice for two or three years. Do great
work for UH injured and retired vets that need things,
wheelchair ramps, different things, you know, post post military career.
So it's a great uh. And you know, Tim, when

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he started that organization wanted to raise just five hundred dollars.
He's raised over one hundred thousand. Dollars since his exception,
he takes not not a dime. It all go Anything
raised goes completely to signatures for soldiers. Eric Norton i
think he's still involved from formerly a Beckett and Panini

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is i think one of the chairmen. So it's a
great charity and this is a great content event from
from Friday to Sunday, various shows and content and artists
will be doing stuff live. And that's obviously all live,
it's not nothing's pre recorded. For Orlando, I know you're

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on a couple of shows, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (59:42):
And yeah, I've been honored to be has to be
in a few shows, and yeah, I had to turn
you down Johns for the Hobby Hotline because I am
going to be on Saturday and on Sunday, and I'll
have an hour live on Saturday with a therpedo man,
which should be a really fun, fun episode.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
And you know he's just thinking about that. I have
to chuggle.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
So yeah, so that's that's gonna be really my fun laughing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Are you let me ask you, Orlando, are you taking
any clothes off?

Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
Not me? You know, me and Caesar barely We talked
a couple of times about what we're gonna do, but
he wants to kind of keep it a secret and
you really won't even tell me exactly you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
But we are gonna talk about set building, building sets,
and we're gonna talk about various sets, uh, you know,
for different years, and kind of do something about that,
so that that'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
He's a big set builder and so am I. So
we're gonna spend.

Speaker 6 (01:00:41):
An hour talking about that and mixing some fun stuff
in between, so that'll be the fun session.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
This will be actually my third year in Hobby Palosa,
so that's gonna be very exciting.

Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
And then on Sunday, I'm gonna have an hour session
with my good buddy Ryan from Breakout Cards and we're
gonna do a really a history lesson for many guys,
going all the way back to the nineteenth century.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
So we're going to do some nineteenth century cards.

Speaker 6 (01:01:08):
We're going to talk about multi sports and nonsports, and
we're going to share some of our collections from the
from the earliest you know, nineteenth century cards and talk
a little bit about some of the printing process and
you know history, the oldest history of cards, and that
should be pretty much fun. So we're going from a
serious talk on Sunday to a fun, crazy time on Saturday.

(01:01:33):
So I think I'm going to have a great time.
And I'm really honored to be on Hobby Palooz again,
you know, the third year and with some great people
and you know, so I just it's going to be
a fun time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Yeah, again, a great event. And I know you see
on the screen that's that's Hobby Hotlines slot. But this
this event runs from Friday all the way through through Sunday.
Numerous shows. I'm sure they haven't put calendar of events
up yet. It'll be posted soon on the four Collectors

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Network and social media and that sort of thing. Money
going to signatures for soldiers. You had me at hello
with that organist. But you know, an any any time
you can do something the hobby can do something for charity,
I'm gonna be at the front of that line. I
always have been, I always will be the way it

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should be and that sort of thing. So I don't
know if it's the fourth or fifth year, but I
know there, you know, it's always around this time of year,
just ramping up for the national get sort of the juice.
Not that we need help getting excited for the National.
It kind of happens naturally, but this event really kind
of enhances that. And and I know, I'm sure during

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Hobby Hotline we'll we'll definitely be talking about the National,
which will be at that point literally just a week
and a half away, so actually a week so our
week and a half, so so look forward to seeing you.
Although not part of Hobby Hotline just because of rules
and it makes sense, but just we'll still have you

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there in spear. Hopefully you're watching us and maybe laughing
a few times, but I'll be all right, yeah, thank you.
And again, you know, again just to kind of close,
that'll be our third Saturday show. We're not going to
do another one in addition to that, and then we'll

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be on July fifth, So July fifth on Hobby Hotline
channel and bench Clear Media July nineteenth on four Collectors
Network as part of Hobby. So then I know, I
gotta pay a little overtime. That's okay, you're worth it.
I appreciate any big plans for the weekend, No, not

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much that sometimes those in the best ones.

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
Yeah, well, I recorded a little video of this, so
I'm going to put that up, post that up as
soon as we're done with this a collector's dream.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
There you go, There you go. So Orlando's got content
about literally about to come out as soon as we
we end us live and I have something on Monday,
Hobby Quick Hits, which we missed. I missed a rare
show miss I missed the last slot for Hobby Quick
Hits under the weather, but got this week's coming out. Uh,

(01:04:28):
it will be about SGC. I know we talked a
little bit about that today. I'm gonna go more of
a deep dive into it by myself because I don't
argue with myself too much. I don't argue with a
lot of so you know, have a great weekend as well.
Commenting collector Mookie says, Orlando, get that video published. I

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need you all the moment the lot. So there there
you go and urge your call to actions. So Hobby
Quick Hits will be deep thoughts with Johnny one about SGC.
Orlando's about to hit you with something here in a
few minutes. So Orlando always a pleasure. I know he's
not on screen. Thank you to doctor Jim as always

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with his expertise, and knowledge which knows no bounds. So
we'll see you again July fifth, the day after July fourth.
In the meantime, hope everyone has safe travels, safe health,
has a safe July fourth, and we'll see you on
July fifth.