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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Good morning, Welcome to episode three forty one of Hobby Hotline,
the Caffeine Edition. What's going on? That's how you're doing?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I always have to say that that intro, like I
love it. It's just like energetic everything else, Like it's
just a Starbucks.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's Starbucks in the song.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So I'm ready to go. We're gonna crack this up.
And uh, Gordon from Hawaii? What's up? Gordon?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Appreciate it?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, Larry, good morning? You doing Larry mad City Brew
and guys, we're gonna have Lauren joining us in a minute.
She's traveling and finding Wi Fi in the middle.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Of nowhere the one time I'm not traveling.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I know you, You and I see each other, I
think in person traveling as much as we do online.
So you, you and I speaking of which ran into
each other at Chantilly recently. But you do. What's up Reuben? Yeah? Yeah,
work for a living sometimes. Sorry about that, but I
(01:31):
miss you. Guys. Catch up here? What's up?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Stokes?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Foul Ball five am and y Gordon there dedication? Yeah,
I know it's I know it's for army, but you know,
I appreciate you tuning in so Chantilly, Boston. What other
shows you've been to. What's the vibe out there?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, so Chantilly, Boston, Philly, went down to Charlotte, you know,
a couple other ones there here in the you know,
Richmond Beach area, and like that. The vibes are incredible.
You know, everyone's worried about, you know, the economy and
the tariffs, everything else, right that's out there. But these
shows are crowded with people, right, you know, these these
people are coming out. And it's not even just the
(02:14):
bigger shows, it's the smaller, little forty to sixty table
shows are just loaded with people, you know, backpacks hitting
each other and you know, in the aisles and everything,
and it's it's it's great to see.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well, always awesome seeing your buddy. I'm sorry, I have
to keep an eye on the table. You know, people
like army walking around. You know, you got to keep
an eye on them.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm just kidding. He's there to keep an eye on
everybody else, is the truth? Uh, Lauren, welcome.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Right, I lost my wife, so I had to move.
I apologize, very professional.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Oh stop it it's hobby, Howine. We're here to have fun.
So just saying good morning and seeing how you're doing.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Good. Yeah, I am. We're on a road trip. We're
heading to the Dallas card Show and we have a
campers so sometimes we drive out that way. So right
now I'm in Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
A long, long trip.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It's always unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You're going to the early one or are you talking
about the one that may may first through fourth?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, it's made first through fourth, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, yeah, a couple of weeks early.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Making her way out there.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'll be there too. I'm going to be there myself.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, here's stop. Stukee says five hundred and twenty five table.
Minnesota show was busy, big line to get in, door
opens the public Alex. That's close to Chantilly, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, that's that's right down the road. I think, you know,
hop skipping the jump.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
But I'm saying, uh, the five hundred and twenty five tables,
Chantilly wasn't what six fifty?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yes, I think that over six hundred and fifty some tables,
And that's that's really it's crazy because the Chantilly Show
is known for being one of the you know, the
biggest shows on the East coast. But the Philly Show,
which is right up the road, a few hours up there,
it's over a thousand table show. Like I didn't know
until like last year when I when I went to
the Philly Show for the first.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Time of how big that show is.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
But Chantilly is a whole nother breed because of all
the autograph guests that they bring in three times a year.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You know they do it.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
They do the show three times a year within a
six month period and then from October to April there's nothing,
which it's crazy, but it works. It works for him.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
You guys will have some friends in Dallas. Jukes will
be there. I don't know if anybody knows off the
top of their head how many tables the Dallas Show is.
I've never been. I'll admit that's on my to do
list for card shows.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I can't remember because it's two separate rooms. You have
the main room in.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
My co host here four fifty. It's a really good show.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Chris Harris, who I saw on Chantilly a huge football show.
I think that gets back to Army when you were
saying it's the times years hard to get baseball players
right now.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, and you know, going back with Dallas. You know
Dallas actually you know, just happens to bring some of
the Rangers, the current Rangers in, you know during the show.
And one of the things that you know, people have
said at the CSA show is just like, if you're
there when the Nationals are playing, try to get the
national players. But you got to remember, like these shows
on the weekends, and a lot of times the weekend
(05:23):
games are middle of the day, you know, like two o'clock,
four o'clock or whatever, and it's harder for them to
you know, doing everything and stuff like that. So trust me,
they talking with the actual people at the shows. They're trying,
they want to, but instead they bring in the Hall
of Famers, all time greats, everything else and and try
to you know, these first two shows in the beginning
the year, April and June, they bring all the active
football players in, not as many commanders. People are wanting
(05:48):
you know, everyone wants that big one.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Jaydon Daniels, I'm from Baltimore. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Oh yeah, you've been fine with your Ray Lewis and
Ed Reid and all them.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Jim Palmer, uh yeah, but you know what to your point.
They do a lot of Hall of Famer and I
think that is huge for collect I think there's a
lot of people out there that chase Hall of Fame autographs.
I don't think that's the secret, and I think that's
one of the one of the things that makes the
show so much.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, especially the April shows, because they always try to
get that that last you know, the ones that just
got you know, accepted into the Hall of Fame for football, right,
you know that that the class from this year. We're
all there, minus one of course, and where they're signing,
you know, especially you know, you know Sterling Sharp was
there signing right next to his brother Shannon. You know,
(06:38):
now that was awesome, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
That was awesome, Ruben, you got my Johnny United Rookie.
What a cool card? Right now I'm shopping uh for
center Johnny Bench rook If anybody's got one, damn me.
So the card shows in general, Lauren, what's the vibe
you're getting on the floor, modern vintage kids, adults just
overall kind of like, what's what's are you getting?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
A lot more people asking about Pokemon talking about Pokemon.
We don't do a lot of Pokemon, but we you
know what few we have well like, it goes very
quickly and usually for very close to the asking price.
So that's it. I mean, I don't think that's a
surprise to anyone. It's been on a very big upswing lately.
(07:27):
So yeah, really, that's the biggest thing that sticks out
to me right now is that there is a big
shift towards Pokemon. I think a lot of people typically
do sports are also kind of like examining Pokemon. Maybe
not like diving in completely, but definitely talking about it.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You seen the same.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Thing, and I've talked to a lot of individuals about it.
It's just the the TCG aspect of collecting and buying
and selling. They they don't go They're not like you know,
the sellers and the buyers aren't like sports individuals, you know,
going to eBay seeing the last comps, you know, the
last comp for Pokemon and everything. They use the TCG,
(08:02):
you know, different guides and stuff. They'll give you close
to one hundred percent what the last one sold for.
They're not saying, hey, the last five is average of
you know this, can I get seventy percent? No, Because
they know as soon as someone walks away, someone else
will come up and pay for that price, so that
the TCG buyers and sellers they're they're they're very very
(08:23):
you know, on point with their prices and people come
and go to this table so fast. And there's a
lot more shows that you know, have started that, especially
in this area that I've seen that were let's say,
eighty percent sports and they were twenty percent Pokemon and
it's flopped. It's now like eighty percent Pokemon and twenty
percent sports and wild.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well that's exactly what bo one million Cubs is saying here.
The Madison Pokemon Show, which is Pokemon only next Sunday,
sold out with one hundred and forty dealers table. So
to both of your points, if they're pulling off a
complete show, almost like strong pil for vintage, that says
(09:01):
something about the strength of that piece of the market.
A couple other comments here, Stuke' said a dealer you
talked to did very close to national sales at the
last Dallas show, so big, showing the strength of the market.
I think it's a sleeper strong market right now. In Hawaii,
we're majority Pokemon. All good brings folks in Hey collect
(09:24):
what you love. There's no right, there's no wrong. Speaking
of which, I picked up a fifty two Tops Dodger
team set fal ball with the Jackie. Very freaking cool.
I'm not going to get up and show you, but
I have my fifty two Jackie blue T shirt over
there that I was wearing around the house before I
got online. Gordon, we had a small thirty dealer show
(09:48):
yesterday and only four to five sold sports cards. So
that's a ninety ten split eighty five ten fifteen. So
you know, I got a list of topics I wanted
to hit. But let's let's stop on this for a second.
Is twenty five?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I mean, it's it's hard. It's hard not to these days.
You know, I'm not into it. I mean, I mean
it depends. Do you do you put like V Friends
in DCG because with its huge release coming out with
Tops Chrome, like does it fall in that realm? Because
it is an actual game, it is a playing game,
and that's gonna be a huge release next month.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
That was an intelligent question. You threw me off guard.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I do.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I do think the non sports entertainment catile including TCG,
will be huge.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
So I know I agree because I don't know if
anyone saw that, you know, fanatics put out that they're
looking for the manager to run that department, right if
I and I've said this from time to time again,
the connections that Michael Rubin and that that group has
with all these entertainers and you know everybody else is like,
when is there like version of Pop Century coming out
for Tops?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
You know, yes, So I imagine that's eventually gonna happen
and that's gonna help that entertainment ask the Tops.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I'm sorry, no, just saying that's a really good point
that you're you're right, like, we haven't really touched on
entertainment a lot, and Michael Rubin does have the connection.
So if anybody's gonna expand like Pop Century because Pop
Century is a very popular product for Leaf, so you know,
for Tops to get their hands on it the way
that they've like I'm sorry, I'm coming back to WrestleMania again,
(11:28):
but like the way they've integrated Travis Scott with WrestleMania,
Like that's been huge for for Tops and for you know, collectors,
and so yeah, like uniting the two that's really that
that might be the next stop. I think Alex made
really good about that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well, then let's just jump ahead because because I like
those points, we want to talk some WWE anyway, uh today,
So let's just very professional transition there. I appreciate that. Well,
is there perhaps a buyback program or something going on?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It's a little bit you hear that, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
What's what's the program? For people that haven't heard?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
All right, So you have WWE tops Chrome this year
twenty twenty five, just like the previous buybacks, like they're
they're going off of winners. You know, the baseball buyback
was the win the MVPs for the al nl uh
UFC did the buybacks of the winners of one of
the main events. So they're doing the same thing. There's
two main events, two nights, and they decided on two
(12:30):
different matches. You have Jay Usso and Gunther and then
you have Charlotte Flair versus Tiffany Stratton. Now a lot
of people get it mixed up. But if you look
at my article that I wrote on clicking with this
side breaks it down on how to figure out which
card is with I just happened to have them right
in front of me, So it so happens. Yeah, just
(12:51):
so happens right, you know. So it's the base cards,
none of the insert none of the auto is just
the base cards. You have a bass card, this will
be a twenty If gun Through wins, this will be
a twenty dollars credit to your lcs, the ones that
actually participate. And if you go to tops dot com
you can actually search to see which which LCSs are participating.
Then you have there's a million different refract refractors like
this is just like the hyper of jay Usso this
(13:13):
is I think the checkerboard. These are all forty dollars
cards whoever went, you know, for credit. And then you
have the numbered parallels. The number parallels broken down by
going from one hundred dollars to two hundred dollars depending
on you know what it is. And I think this
one out of two forty nine is for my mistake,
it's either one hundred and two hundred dollars card. I
think it's one hundred dollars card because it's ninety nine
(13:35):
and less is a two hundred dollars buy back credit.
This if Charlotte wins, which I need Charlotte and Jada
win to maximize my number for the amount of buybacks
that I have will be one hundred dollars credit back
to uh to lcs's.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Okay, crucial question. Your buyback money goes to what?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Uh, it depends on what the store has, so it.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Really back to the store, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
And it's that's a great program because what Tops does
with these now we've seen because they've actually reintroduced them
back into the products with Otani and Judge and they
actually some of them are signed, but they're really rare.
I've I've only seen like one that have came out
the following year. And uh, what they do with the
w W wants will be very interesting, but uh, yeah,
it all depends. Like I'll take it in. I'll look
(14:21):
to see what they have for you know, O rall
and slabs and you know, look at stuff around. Maybe
some supplies I need to get because you know, he's
about to go up because it's crazy and uh and uh,
but maybe I'll get some wax. I'm a djen. I
love opening wax and everything. I'll just reroll it into
something else.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I like dj I'm too old to have heard that one. Lauren,
would do you collect WWE and have have you heard
about the patch release?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I I do collect a little bit, but more so
we as Djen's open it, we enjoy opening it. It's
really a fun product, even I mean even with me.
I mean because they were recently with Panini and had
you know, select and everything. It was it's just really
fun to open, you know, and w W is entertaining,
(15:08):
so it was really fun to open. And I think,
you know, because we're big basketball people, it was more reasonable,
you know, to to spend money on and and it's
just fun. You know. It's you can pop in and
out of the w W very easily, you know. That's
it's I've seen people compared to like a soap opera,
like you can jump in and out very easily. So
(15:31):
it's a fun product. And I I like Cody Rhodes.
That's you know, probably very basic and you know whatever,
but I like them a lot. And he and John Cena,
you know, like that's a really easy match for people
to jump in and out of. And so yeah, I
think I think it's I don't think it's you know,
(15:52):
just to kind of tie back to what we were
talking about with TCG, I don't think it's necessarily gonna
have that big of an upswing, but I do think
it's gonna be bigger than it has been because of
the ease of access, and that that's another thing too,
is that people have been saying, you know, with NBA,
it's hard to watch games. You know, you can go
(16:14):
an entire season without seeing some of the teams. And
WWE is pretty accessible. You can watch it on Friday
on USA, on cable, you can watch it on Netflix
Monday night Raw. If you have the Peacock app, you
can see everything for WrestleMania this weekend. So which I'm
not saying that that's easy access, but that's reasonable access.
Other than like, like you know, with NBA you have
(16:36):
to have excuse me, like the league past, but then
you have blackouts for your local teams. So if you
care about your local teams, you have to have another subscription,
and then if you want to see the big header games,
then you have to have you know, cable and watch
on you know, like so I know, I'm kind of
you know, making a mountain out of molehill with that question,
but I think for collectors it is more fun. It's
(17:00):
for us, you know, we can jump in and out,
you know, you can pick your favorite and you can reasonably,
you know, just like with the actual WW with the products,
you can jump in and out. The prices aren't like
too crazy if you want to just kind of like
dip your toes in and try it out.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I have one one caveat though.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
First off, with back to the buyback program, I'm really
upset that sapphire cards weren't included. So the reason why
sapphires never included is because usually with tops chrome, sapphire
is a complete different product, that they're not the same numbers,
they're not the same images and everything. However, WW was
exactly the same cards, the same numbers, everything else, just
(17:41):
the sapphire print.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
The fact that they.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Didn't add these to the buy back I think it
killed this product. No one wants to open sapphire now
the prices were up. I mean they're sapphire box. It's
like there were like four or five hundred dollars a
box and now you can get them for like almost
little less than three hundred.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
No one wants to.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Buy this because these aren't part of the buyback program.
And I think they should have looked at that before
they put their numbered out and everything. And because that
really hurt a lot of shops. One of the other
thing I wanted to talk about was WWE. I've been
following it for years, and especially the card market. You
have to be careful if you're one of those people buying,
flipping and everything else buying selling. Once WrestleMania happens, there
(18:22):
is a It's just like the Super Bowl happens, just
like the World Series. Wrestling's not so much in the
forefront so much because everyone's leading up to WrestleMania. Yes,
you're gonna have Summer Slam, You're gonna have all these
next pay per views, but it WrestleMania is the granddaddy
of them, all right, So so you have to watch
out the stuff that you know that that's going that
you might be using to you know, possibly sell because
(18:44):
of these these athletes. It's gonna be all of a sudden,
wrestling's out of the news for a hot minute because
no more WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
One of the things for WrestleMania forty one, and to
your point is, I think the TOPS is trying to
increase in post WrestleMania to try to keep a chase going.
So they've actually introduced a patch for WrestleMania and then
you also have a debut patch for Raw and uh,
(19:15):
somebody else might SmackDown thank you, So you get the
debut patch on the boot most likely except for John
Cena is going to be on the back of his shoes.
But they're creating a one on one auto chase patch.
This has been successful in other sports with people searching
for it and the athletes going for it. Lart you
(19:38):
think you think it'll be just as popular in w
W A.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I think so because it's something new, you know. And
again with I think with you know, to tie back
to like the Travis Scott thing. I think with wrestling
you can kind of try things a little bit. It
doesn't feel as forced because you know, WWE and celebrities
have kind of always been like intermingled. So I think
that like they can try a little bit, you know,
(20:03):
they can do some more experimenting. And you know, patches
are always cool, Autos are always cool. And and they
had that the tops now chase for the triple Auto.
That was a you know, that was a huge deal.
That was you know, I think it was found this
week and you know, that was a really big that
(20:24):
that was a big spike in the purchase of the
tops Now cards because people wanted that. So I think,
you know, kind of making the w W cards more
in parallel with like what we traditionally like with like
logo man, and you know that kind of thing in
other sports. I think it's a good I think it's
a good transition to see like you know and and
(20:45):
I wrestling. You know, That's the thing too, is like
fans in different sports kind of like priority, Like baseball
fans prioritize different things than like basketball fans and that
kind of thing. So I think it'll be a good
way to gauge what, you know, what wrestling fans are
are really into. Like do I think it's cool? Yeah,
but does the majority of wrestling collectors are they interested
(21:05):
in relics? Are they you know, do they care more
about the auto than a relic? So, yeah, it'll it'll
be interesting to see how it you know, how it's received.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
And yeah, so you know, I see in the chat,
you know, people are calling it fake.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
It's not a sport.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Everything else, right, what other entertainment aspect right in the
minus you know, UFC fights, you know, like every event
that they do from SmackDown raw. You know, all the
pay per views are are full. The whole place is
filled to capacity. Not any of your sporting events, your
major teams, even the Celtics, Lakers or whatever, have sold
(21:41):
out games every game like these. These these fans are
die hard. Yes, it's acting, it's it is, but they're
die hard fans. And I think that's where you know,
fanatics with fanatics fests. You know that the activation and
stuff that they had with w B and the cards
right next door to we're trying to combine the two,
trying to get those fans to get introduced to more cards,
(22:02):
and it actually did the vice versa. More of the
card people got introduced to WB that might not have
been you know, had anything understanding of WWE. So bridging
that gap and everything. But to say that, you know,
constantly say it's fake and it's scripted. It is, But
these are athletes. The stuff that they do that they
have to you know, they put their body online and stuff.
(22:22):
They're selling out these arenas there. You know, there's a
whole week and a whole week for WrestleMania, just like
the Supper Bowl, right, So, I mean it's hard to
ignore all that.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
There's nothing wrong with enjoying athletes, even if it's if
there's a story with it, And Lauren mentioned the soap
opera aspect of being able to go in and out
and know what it is. Nobody has to compare that
to sports. You don't have to choose one over the other.
They can be wonderful, they can be different. I can
(22:54):
like music and I can like movie. I don't have
to choose, and so, you know, I think that people
make too much of comparing the two, and I just
think there's no reason to enjoy the product, to collect
what you love. I'll go back to that. I do
want to say that I do think that chasing the match,
(23:14):
use game, use relics is an extremely cool thing. Ray
Allen this week just chased down. I think it was
his logo. Man. And we're seeing more and more athletes
that are actually putting out their own bounties and you know,
getting into it. Lauren, what do you think about the
success of a program where the athletes are actually interested.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
I think it's really cool. You know, it's there's so
many different takes you can have about it, because you know,
how do you compete if you're a reel and collector?
How do you compete with Ray Allen to like get
a card you desire, you know, like so like it's cool,
but also I can't. I can't compete, you know, so,
(23:57):
but you know, it is neat. It's it's always fun
to see, you know, like Grant Williams is into card
collecting and you know, and he's I think he's interested
more like other players. And I think that's what a
lot of traditionally, a lot of people have said, like,
if you know, you give your favorite athlete a card
of them, they're like, man, But if you give them
somebody that they like look up to or that they
(24:19):
played with or you know whatever, they're a little more
passionate about that. But I you know, like Yiannis collecting
his own cards and you know, very clearly kind of
stating the purpose of like, you know, I'm interested in these,
but I also want to save them for like my children.
You know that this is something I'm gonna pass down
to them. I think it's you know, just I think
(24:39):
it's just interesting. You know. I don't really know if
it's like good or bad or you know whatever, but
it's interesting to see, like, you know, the motivation behind it,
the interaction, the relationships, you know, the storyline. I think
that that's you know, I think it's just interesting.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Alex, if you had a patch card of yourself, would
you be chasing it?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
So I have some patch cards for Gary from Hit,
some memorabilia he used to make Tube traders back in
the day in like twenty ten timeframe, and a lot
of US YouTubers sent him. You know, I had some
some uniforms that I was I was in Afghanistan and
I sent it to him and he put him in cards.
Of course I would. I would definitely chase you know,
that type of stuff. And there's so many individuals and
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I think the power of social media is helping with
them because you know, you got like Evan Carter, you
have my Trout, you have Matt Strom. You know, they
have their own series right that you know that are
they're doing with card collecting and stuff. Then there's people
that are in the background that aren't aren't as much
like a lot of people don't know. Cole Anthony is
a die hard Pokemon collector. Yeah right, and he's down
(25:40):
at he's down at Big League in Orlando, you know,
shout out to Alan Nars like he's in there all
the time, all the time, just coming in the shop,
you know, buying packs. Hit He's just like he wants
to get these special tickets that you know, you do
the special wheel to get another you know, pack and
stuff like he does. He's just he's there for the
Pokemon's wild.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I definitely had no chance. I definitely have no chance
of ever having my own patch card, unlike you evidently,
but I will. I will seek out one. If anybody
wants to make me, I'm happy to take it. I
think they're super cool. I think when athletes get involved,
it brings at an organic level the coolness to the product.
(26:20):
You know, we're so used to chasing our heroes and
the guys that we watch, but when they want to
do the same thing we're doing, that makes it so
real and I think that makes a connection with the
athlete that that you know, it's hard to replicate. I mean,
you can't stay after every game and get an autographic.
You can't buy, you know, and afford to buy Flawless
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or whatever it is you know, for every player. But
you know, the patch cards, if you're I could see
surpassing almost rookie cards if they're if it's you know,
not a debut patch. I think game used true cool.
Whether it's a Tamy stuff from his home run chase
or other stuff like that, That game used stuff that
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really happens organically in a special moment is cool. And
it's the reason I think tops now and all the
companies that do the instant cards are cool because you
have a real moment that nobody planned. You know, somebody
did something and now you turn into something you can
collect and keep it. So for those reasons, I just
I just think it's freaking.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Awesome, be very interesting. You know, Giannie's first national appearances
this year, you'd love to see him walk the floor.
I mean, he's gonna get mobbed and everything up there,
but it would love to see him go around and
see look at the cards since he included in it
trying to find his own stuff whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I think that would be pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
And if you don't know, some of these people have
buyers for them, so uh yeah, if if you work
a table, you never know who you're talking to, or
you never know who somebody's you know, friends with they're
buying for. Because you're honest, like you said, he might
stick out.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
In the crowd quite possibly.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, just a little bit, all right. One of the
trends that I've been seeing, Uh, here we go. Rock
Lessler was an NCAA wrestling last shot. Okay. So one
of the things I think is really cool is the
NBA is changing their playoffs system. With the play in
(28:24):
I think has worked well. I think they're highlighting the
stars this time of year. I'm gonna turn to Lauren
here because I think she's actually part of the Orlando
Magic front office. I'm not sure at this point if
she doesn't have a title with them. Uh, tell everybody
who doesn't know your fandom and what do you think
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of the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yep, so longtime Magic fan, but happy to anybody who
wants to join the bandwagon as we send. Very happy
to have you. Yeah, I mean the playoffs are the
best time of year. Especially the Magic are in the playoffs,
which you know, it doesn't happen a lot, but we're
going back to back this year. Playoffs is the best basketball.
(29:08):
You know, It's kind of like with March Madness, like
they're all playing with a different purpose and passion. And
you know, if anybody watched, like Danny mention the play
and the playing is you know, winner and go home
for a lot of them. The Magic just won against
the Atlanta Hawks the other night, which meant that Magic
(29:28):
was in and they earned their spot. But then Atlanta
had to go and play against whoever won the Miami
Chicago game. Last night Atlanta played Miami and and it
was a crazy game. It went into overtime. They you know,
it's it's really fun basketball. The passion is there and
and you do get to see you know, the stars emerge.
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And it does also kind of level the playing field
because like Cleveland has been number one, like all season,
nobody watched Cleveland games because they're not prevalent. You know,
they're not La, they're not Boston, they're you know, Lebron's
not there. So a lot of people haven't seen Cleveland
in action, and they're kind of like sleeping on Cleveland
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in their first place status. But this is when you
get to see, like, you know, especially players who maybe
like Jaw, things have been a little quite on round
John Morant because you know, injuries and controversies and what
have you. So you know, he you know, is able
to I love his new celebration names, you know, but
he's you know, he's like, I'm here and I'm playing,
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and I'm you know, I'm I'm doing what I was
built to do. And it's fun to see these players
like they all the distractions fall away. This is it,
this is what they focus on and and it's really
fun and it's fun to see the emerging stars. You know,
Paolo Orlando is amazing. And I'm biased, but he's amazing,
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Frands Paul, Anthony, Alexmith, Klets Pokemon, He's awesome all around,
and he had a really great game the other night.
You know, it's it's a fun time to kind of
look at other players that you aren't typically like, you know,
spoon fed. Of course, everybody loves the Lakers and Lebron
and Luca, like that's awesome. It's really cool. But it's
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cool to see the other players and the other you know,
stories and the other skills like come to the top.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
So from a card perspective, as underrated, yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I mean I think so, it's you know, it's he
he was injured this year too, which definitely his cards
took a hit from that because he was out for
twenty games, twenty two games, and maybe and and also
you know, it's Orlando. People aren't really watching Orlando. We've
kind of been a joke for the last you know,
decade and a half or so. So yeah, his his
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cards are I think, by most people underrated. You know,
there are some people who are really passionate, but they're
getting deals, you know, like and we have some Palalo,
not a lot, but some. And you know, we feel
about the investment in him because we see him, We
see what he has, we see what he brings to
the table. You know, we see that there is you know,
(32:08):
potential for you know, future greatness for the franchise. He's
going to be great no matter what. But like, you know,
but yeah, Pallo, I think is definitely undervalued right now.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Alex get I do so I get into the whole aspect.
I've been card wise and stuff is one thing. But
I was listening to the radio other day and it
made a very good point. The way that they do
the playing actually benefits you know, you're better seating, right
you know, if you're if you're out of out of
the actual plane, you get a nice little week long
(32:39):
vacation to rest up. You know, don't have to worry
about you know, it's load managements, a huge thing these days.
I mean to the point of, you know Paolo and
is he underrated and stuff. It's like if when you
miss twenty games, you're automatically out of the running for
any of the awards that year. So you can't be
you know, all NBA, you can't be anything. So you're
not gonna have that those those titles, you know, on
your actual resume, even though you still had a great season,
(33:02):
and you're just just having to be hurt a little
bit during these So you know, a lot of people
tie the championships, the titles you know, and everything else
and the MVPs and stuff to you know how great
of a player you were, And some of those players
you know or are are better than it actually looks,
except when you have an MVP season you average a
triple double. But yet somehow the media has forced for
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you someone else to win the MVP. But that's a
different problem every thing. But I think the way the
playoffs are, and I have to agree with the people
that I was listening to, is you know, getting that
week off right and then you win that first round
like Orlando did. Now they actually got the rest of
that week off before this weekend, before they're playing. But
if you're those lower seed teams that have to fight,
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you're gonna have to go back to back and then
a couple of days then you're be playing again. So
winning this season or just making in the playoffs and
not that the playing game one. It's giving us more basketball,
right and it's it's in the middle of arguably the
best time of year for sports. Think about this. March
Madness is right after the Super Bowl and then you
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have the Masters has happened, WrestleMania is happening, The NFL
Draft is happening this week, the NBA playoffs, at NHL playoffs.
Everything is back to back to back, and it's just
this time of year is incredible.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I just put in the chat SBA Joker, Curry or
Lebron who's the best. And I'm sure I'm leaving people
out and everything else, but just for conversations sake, these
are four people who play the game very differently. And
I think we're seeing in the NBA right now for
people who haven't paid attention, the game is evolving. Analytics
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have hit the sport. Spacing on the court, you know,
has changed, Movement without the ball has changed, and when
you look at you know, Sga, if you look at Joker,
I mean, could you be built more differently? It's like
the movie twe with Schwarzenegger and Davida. You know, it's
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really and I think that's a good thing. I think
people like watching We're not everybody is six six and
and driving, you know, to the whole every play, you know,
and it's done. I do think the game has evolved,
and I think if you haven't watched recently, it's good
basketball right now.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
And the problem that you know, people constantly just say
in the Shay thing, right, this is this is wild.
Shae is a point guard. He's one hundred percent of
point guard. Joker is a center, and he's second on
average for assists.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
He is in the top three for points, rebounds, and assists,
for averaging averaging a triple double. Right, And and we're
taking an MVP away from him because the MVP fatigue.
You know that, the same reason with like Lamar Jackson,
right and everything else like that, the fact that you know,
I forgot my bad it's definitely shouldn't have went that round,
(35:57):
you know, because because Lamar so, I mean, Shay is
fourteenth in the league and average insist and he's a
point guard seventy sixth and rebounds first in points of course,
and he's still twenty first in field goal percentage jokers
in the top three. Like you're taking away an MVP
season all because the Oklahoma City won the West compared
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to the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I don't like that. Everyone talks stats. Stats don't lie, Lauren.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
How did the Nuggets fire their coach?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I mean is it's got to be the biggest job
that the advice I would give is Rent, not by
I mean an NNBA head coaches you know, don't even
get comfortable and Bett, I mean you could be gone
at any time. And so somebody made the comment in
the chat and that's the reason I brought it up
is which coach is going to get fired after one
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loss in the playoffs? And there's a lot of truth
to that, but I want to look at the player
side of it, and Alex made a lot of good points.
Who in the playoffs this year has room to grow
in their in their value of their cards. You know, Lebron,
another title will give him a temporary bomp and then
he'll probably come back to where he is. SGA has
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he already maxed out for this season? Or does the
MVP do it? I mean, is Tatum finally? You know,
if Boston does anything? You know, any thoughts?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Would you say, Evan Mobley from the CAF.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yes, the one that the non sexy Cleveland Cavaliers is
Laren was talking about. Yeah, but both of you, guys,
I'll throw this to both of you. You know who
has the most to gain? Is it Mobley? Is it
Ben Caro?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I think, honestly, I think probably Cleveland. Definitely, Cleveland definitely.
I think has you know, room to grow. Did the
Maps fire a kid? Is that true? Or is that
just came in?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I I if that's true, let.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Us know, because I was gonna say when you mentioned Denver,
I was gonna say, if Jason Kidd can keep a job,
then I don't know why anybody else but Benny.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
They somewhere, some team has her.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
But I'm sorry I got started. But you know, like
people are still not talking about, you know, Houston and
what and what the Rockets have been doing. You know,
they have one of the Thompson twins, they have Jalen Green.
They they had a really good season and I think
they are also forgotten and I think that they're young
(38:27):
and do every to grow. So I think Cleveland definitely,
But I also don't know that Cleveland will ever get
I don't think players from Cleveland other than Lebron will
ever get the the love and attention in the hobby
that they deserve. And you know, like you may mention
Jason Tate, I don't understand necessarily why people don't love
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Jason Tatum. I it's really interesting that the Celtics, you know,
they won last year, they're very good team, They're Boston
and they're there. Their players are like not beloved by
the hobby. Be like Jalen Brown, you know, he was
the MVP last year. He's you know, and I don't know,
maybe it's like the personality thing that they're kind of
quiet or that, you know whatever. But yeah, it's really
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interesting to see, like like what what plays out as
far as the cards. I think with Shay, I think
he I think like with you know, outside of the hobby,
I think he like is a little overpriced. This is personal,
so I'm sorry, you know that offends people. I think
that there is hype that's built into him that's like
a little overvalued. I think Jokic, as good as he is,
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he's probably undervalued, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
So that's Jokic keeps these numbers up, He's going to
be literally, in the conversation, the top five player of
all time, h right, you know, and that that's that's
the concept. The concept is all these prices of cards.
Everyone has cards. They think that all they think is
like Mantle, Jordan, you know Brady, they think Trout, you
know how those prices were outrageous, right for the rookies.
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And so everyone buys these rookie cards thinking, Okay, I'm
gonna they're eventually gonna be that that at that price someday.
But they never hold them. They just reflip them and
sell them again. No one uses as actual investment. So
I think it, you know, goes down to maybe it's
you know, Anthony Edwards going against and beating the Lakers,
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beating Lebron and Luca.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
You know, that helps his his rise.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
It depends on the matchups and you know how they're
actually playing, playing in that game will help so much
with you know, card prices.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yes, and we're all buying page back. I think that's
an excellent point. We look back and I've had this
conversation with people that there's errors era, the r a
eras of athletes, and there seems to be one or
two cards that becomes the symbol of that era, whether
(40:50):
it's the fifty two Man or the eighty nine Griffy,
the eighty six Jordan. You know, there's just certain cards,
like you said, Alex, and for this generation, nobody talked
about some card will come out of this generation. Some
card will be my son's Griffy, you know, and and
you know what is that card? And we've learned it's
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probably not a one on one. It might be a
limited card, but it's something that people are exposed to.
It's a player that has popularity and you know, typically
in let you know, they can overcome a small market.
You know, Lebron being the only person to come out
of Cleveland with value and Orlando nothing personal and I
think it's very hard to come out of there with
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value in a big market. So I mean you're talking
about Joker. I mean, he could be that guy for
this generation, but you know, is he is there? You know,
for lack of a better term, is there sex appeal?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I think that someone else. I think it might be
King Clerk. I think it might be, you know, someone
like her, honestly in this era, do you think about it?
You know, there was so much bunched around. You know,
you have Ron Joker, you have Mitchell, you had Tatum,
you had all those individuals that were a little bit
before and a little bit after. You know the w
I mean going back wnba right. You know you've got
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a few of her with her with Angelise, with Page
Becker's coming out and everything. But you know the fact
that her market is still up right every and it
could be depending on it if she just continues the
same realm. Maybe it's a Kate and Clark.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
It's a great point vintage card collector says the Luca
based Prism Rookie is our eighty nine Griffy upper Deck.
I see the point. It's a very popular car. There's
a lot out there. Yeah, I think this happens to
a lot of people. Caitlin Clark on Draft Night was
running one hundred to two hundred. They printed was forty
(42:44):
one thousand from reading that correctly, and it was ten
dollars when it was released. Yeah, that's gonna happen on
a lot of players. That's not specific to Caitlin. However,
what if she's not the best player out of Becker's
Juju Watkins, I mean all these other people. Asia Will
could be the person for the generation, you know beast well,
(43:04):
I mean she could. There's more MVPs out there, so,
you know the w NBA, not just I wonder if
Caitlin's going to be looked at as the first of
the next generation or the best star.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
And remember, do we are we looking at these individuals
as the generational talent? The ones that we remember? Remember,
like we followed Lebron from when he was, you know,
a teenager. We followed these individuals when they were young.
Bryce Harper might not even my trup, but all these
individuals and are young Victor when he was over in France,
you know, and have that hype. Joker was drafted during
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a Taco bell commercial. Right, you know these and you
know Adria Wilson, no one talks about her rookie cards
and everything, right, it's is the media and in the
talk helping determine what that card is.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Well, when she goes to the Hall of Fame, I
think people will find her cards, all right? Can I
transition slightly before we run at a time. I've heard
of a trend of a lot of people on social media,
A lot of people I talk to vintage cards actually
going grading down. If you have a seven, maybe finding
a five with just as good of an I appeal.
(44:15):
I think a lot of people complain about the consistency
of grading across all the companies anyway, So you might
find a six that looks as good as a seven,
a four that looks as good as a six, or
whatever it is, and save a lot of money, sell
the more expensive one, or pass one completely. Lauren, are
you buy the card not the grade or do you
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have to have the grade if you're reselling it? What's
your view on I guess raw versus graded, and then
I versus number.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
I guess it depends because I have been thinking about
this a lot lately, and it depends on how much
I want the card. And also see, there's just so
many different angles to take in so many different ways
that people feel about it. But I I like the
looks of cards, you know, like I do kind of
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prioritize the I appeal over the the hype or the
you know the specificity of like what makes it special
to you know, whatever product it's coming from. If I
don't like the way it looks, then I'm not I'm
not totally interested. Like Coco, I collect Cocoa goth and
(45:27):
you know, I collect as much as I can and
don't really care about the grade. But if I was deciding,
you know what, I have too many, I would like
to downsize or I would like to reinvest this into
some something else that I collect, I do prioritize the grade.
You know, I look and see, and I mean I
look and see. You know, with chrome cards, there's not
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really a lot of variation sometimes to the naked eye
between a nine or ten or an eight or ten,
which I know is not vintage, and I know that's
kind of what you know is foruring this conversation. But yeah,
I think if it was vintage, you know, there there
is I think more I appeal to those cards than
there is, you know, like technicality because of you know,
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the age of the paper and the materials used to
make them and that kind of thing. So for me,
it is I would probably say overall, I would prioritize
the I appeal. But you know, if it's I don't know,
if it's something that you've been like just running after
for so long, and you know, you're like, I'm just
(46:29):
gonna extend myself and like really invest in this card
that I've wanted because of the higher grade, you know.
I guess it just depends on like where your priorities
are even that day. Might you know the day to
day I might not, you know, Like I don't know.
I guess it just it just kind of depends on
as a collector, what mood you're in. But I can
understand both sides, you know, depending on you know, and
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also with you know, how you're feeling about the financial
market and stuff from day to day. You know, that
might influence you. So I guess it's kind of more
than not really in either or, but maybe like a
tipping scale, you know that you kind of just check
in with you know, your gut as you know, the
opportunity to here.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
ARM really curious your thoughts on this. I know both
you guys are at a lot of shows as Sham
Tilly this maybe I mean you saw more of the
floor than I did. I saw a lot of raw vintage,
and I saw people not throwing high grades in my face.
If I were to ask for a card, they would
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say I have one in a three and a four.
They wouldn't just say here's my best one, you know,
and try to send me the most expensive one. Are
you some kind of questions I asked Lauren, you know
raw versus graded number versus ipl where do you fall?
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Well, so fall into always you know why what you like?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Right? That's that's the key, you know my cool cards?
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (47:52):
I think it goes in different different aspects, right. I
think everyone can see and starting to understand the cards
that don't lose a lot of value are those vintage cards,
and guess which way they're gonna go up. If they're
not losing value, they're gonna go up. So if you
buy a three right now, next year might be selling
at a four or five face. I think more people
are possibly buying into these lower grades for the aspect
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of the scarcity of these cards are going to start
happening because true collectors, I'm not saying that, you know,
the person who flips is not true collector and everything.
The collectors are out there buying these cards and they're
not putting them out to sell, They're keeping them. Those
individuals that are putting the raw cards and those lower
grades in the in your face. They're probably not put
showing you that the eights, the sevens, the nine to
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tens because they're at home and they're safe. They're at home.
You know, they're not coming out. Those are the ones
that they're holding on to as an investment. But they
can move these other smaller cards. So more individuals are
going around buying, you know, these vintage cards low grades,
possibly expecting you know, a year from now, two years
from now, that you know that low grade is going
to be worth more because it's just see, that's what
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the trend is to either.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
One of you nerd out on pop reports.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Ever I do I one do I look for the
unique type of cards that have the very low pop
count compared to other words. And I'll use an example
of a modern card, not so much a you know,
adventage chart Joe Burrow, uh prism silver PSA ten, which
is you know, cream of the crop of his you know,
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regular rookie cards whatever, thousands that are graded PSA ten. Right,
the mosaic silver is like one hundred and fifty PSA tens.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
The fact that there were back in twenty twenty, it
was like one silver rookie per box, there weren't as many.
So that so understanding that aspect of that low pop
count for that PSA ten which is just the base
silver compared to the prism which is you know, ten
to twenty times that I like that kind of stuff,
you know, holding that stuff and everything to be like
down the road, that should be the one that possibly
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is gonna go up because it's not the many out there.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Laren is something that affects your world buying selling? Do
people talk about pop reports or is it one to
one and just what's on the card. I know, you
know a lot of people look the scarcy of what's
printed on the card out of ninety nine and then
there's the actual pop report because so kind of two
different ways to measure.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Yeah, I think, I mean, and for me personally, I
think it's interesting data. I don't know that it necessarily
impacts how I move, but I do think it's always
interesting data to to examine. I think it does factor
in for some people that you know, what we've seen,
you know, when we're at tables, which you know, so
(50:34):
it's just our experience. People will check if they're kind
of coming down to you know, if if the numbers
are too far apart with you know, recent comps or
something that's kind of another level that they'll you know,
advance to, like okay, well how many you know there
are this many out there, you know. So I don't know,
(50:54):
you know, it's I think it's for me, it's just
another piece of interesting data to factor in. Is it
Does it mean the bottom line? Usually not for me,
but I know for some people it does, you know,
they want to know how hard is this to pursue?
How frequently will I encounter it in the wild, how
frequently will I find it you know, online, you know,
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from another collector, somebody showing it off. So yeah, it's
interesting data to see, you know. And like you said,
vintage is gonna dry up because that's just the nature
of the beast. So yeah, I don't know, it's I
don't know. We're at an interesting time. I think. I
think we are at a turning point within the hobby
right now with a lot of like with I think
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a lot of things with grading with vintage, which with
modern I think we're all kind of having a little
bit of like, for lack of a better term, a reckoning.
But there's a shift I think there's a shift happening
across the hobby to how we're all moving and how
how things are like what the projection is for the future.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
I guess yeah, without a doubt. I think this is
a non positive or negative comment. But anytime you have
a company come in acquire a lot of licenses, you
have other companies that have to change their business models,
You're going to get innovation, You're going to get some
people are gonna be a little stagnant on products. You know,
you're you're gonna get a lot of different things. And
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it is kind of a you know, you look to
the left, everything moves to the right. You look to
the right, everything moves to the left. Time in the hobby.
But there is a comment in here, and I love this,
by cool cards, stay in your lane. Yeah, just by
what you love, don't chase what other people are buying.
By cool cards, by what you like. I'm gonna take
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that as a positive comment and I like that. Larry
says grating has really changed much tougher in the numbers,
does not mean as much, especially on older holders. Yeah,
I've heard that from a lot of people that that
a newer holder and an older holder will pull different
values even if it's the same number, so another reason
to maybe buy by the card you like, not the
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number you like. All Right, we're on the two minute
warning year, so we'll finish up as we always like
to army, what are you buying? What are you chasing?
What are you doing in the hobby in the next
week or so?
Speaker 2 (53:14):
What have you next week or so?
Speaker 3 (53:16):
Recently, I'm actually it's crazy nonsport Genesis, Rainbow of Cyclops
pretty sweat.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah, I only need the well the one on one
and I'm not fine, but I have the Purple Out
of fifteen coming and I just need the Black Out
of ten. But when I'm doing this weekend, gonna be
in Cleveland for the Great Lakes Convention, show up there
sponsored by Greeny Sports Cards, and going up there and
do a lot of fun stuff. I'm gonna have a
table and now you're gonna be selling cards that I'm
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just gonna have a table sitting down talking to people
about their stories, about their cards that they have and
everything else. I just want to and I'm doing a
whole bunch of things. They have a live media thing,
so it's gonna be pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
But you're doing autographs, and.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
I mean, if they want it, I don't know. I
think of deep. You know, the value will go down
as soon as the pen hits, so it's just like
it's like you're leaving. It's like you're leaving the the
the car lot when you buy a new car. Right
as soon as it's it's at the prices, the price
goes down. But weekend after that, I'm going to be
in Dallas, so back to back weekend's going to be
traveling to some bigger shows.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
So I'm pretty excited about that.
Speaker 1 (54:21):
Well, and I think we know where you're headed, But
what's on your horizon? What have you picked up, if
anything lately other than a lot of angst from the
Magic Well.
Speaker 4 (54:31):
One of the one of the benefits of being on
the road is that you can hit a lot of
different card shops and a lot of different retail stores.
And so when you this is actually a box that
fell out from our most recent trip. We found some
w n B a prism, so that we were opening
up a lot of that because lucked into it. There
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was just a lot of it. The cool thing about
traveling across the country too, is that there's different demographics,
people care about different things. To circle back to Pokemon,
It's practically non existent right now where we're at in Arkansas.
But we've been good with the Bowman you and we've
had some some NBA. I think we have prism. I
think we just had prism. But yeah, right now, that's
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that's we're just kind of trucking through, making our way
towards Dallas and and seeing where the road takes us.
But right now we're we're being degenerates, and we're ripping
a lot of product when we when we can look
into it.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
So, as I learned today, it is d Gens. So
the kid the kids are yes, exactly real quick, James says,
if you're in Arkansas, go camping and hunt for diamond.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
All right, well check on the first I'll work on
the second one.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah really, Alex, thank you, buddy, good seeing you appreciate it. Lauren,
thank you so much. Chat room kick butt today always
a pleasure. If I missed anything on the chat room,
I apologize. You can yell at me and my d MS.
This is three forty one every Saturday on Benchclear Media
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Hobby Hotline at eleven am Eastern. Have a good one,
Good morning, Welcome to episode three forty one of Hobby Hotline,
the Caffeine Edition. What's going on? That's how you're doing?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I always have to say that that intro, like I
love it. It's just like energetic everything else, Like it's
just a Starbucks.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's Starbucks in the song.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So I'm ready to go. We're gonna crack this up.
And uh, Gordon from Hawaii? What's up? Gordon?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Appreciate it?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, Larry, good morning? You doing Larry mad City Brew
and guys, we're gonna have Lauren joining us in a minute.
She's traveling and finding Wi Fi in the middle.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Of nowhere the one time I'm not traveling.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I know you, You and I see each other, I
think in person traveling as much as we do online.
So you, you and I speaking of which ran into
each other at Chantilly recently. But you do. What's up Reuben? Yeah? Yeah,
work for a living sometimes. Sorry about that, but I
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miss you. Guys. Catch up here? What's up?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Stokes?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Foul Ball five am and y Gordon there dedication? Yeah,
I know it's I know it's for army, but you know,
I appreciate you tuning in so Chantilly, Boston. What other
shows you've been to. What's the vibe out there?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, so Chantilly, Boston, Philly, went down to Charlotte, you know,
a couple other ones there here in the you know,
Richmond Beach area, and like that. The vibes are incredible.
You know, everyone's worried about, you know, the economy and
the tariffs, everything else, right that's out there. But these
shows are crowded with people, right, you know, these these
people are coming out. And it's not even just the
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bigger shows, it's the smaller, little forty to sixty table
shows are just loaded with people, you know, backpacks hitting
each other and you know, in the aisles and everything,
and it's it's it's great to see.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well, always awesome seeing your buddy. I'm sorry, I have
to keep an eye on the table. You know, people
like army walking around. You know, you got to keep
an eye on them.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm just kidding. He's there to keep an eye on
everybody else, is the truth? Uh, Lauren, welcome.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Right, I lost my wife, so I had to move.
I apologize, very professional.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Oh stop it it's hobby, Howine. We're here to have fun.
So just saying good morning and seeing how you're doing.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Good. Yeah, I am. We're on a road trip. We're
heading to the Dallas card Show and we have a
campers so sometimes we drive out that way. So right
now I'm in Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
A long, long trip.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It's always unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You're going to the early one or are you talking
about the one that may may first through fourth?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, it's made first through fourth, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, yeah, a couple of weeks early.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Making her way out there.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'll be there too. I'm going to be there myself.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, here's stop. Stukee says five hundred and twenty five table.
Minnesota show was busy, big line to get in, door
opens the public Alex. That's close to Chantilly, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, that's that's right down the road. I think, you know,
hop skipping the jump.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
But I'm saying, uh, the five hundred and twenty five tables,
Chantilly wasn't what six fifty?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yes, I think that over six hundred and fifty some tables,
And that's that's really it's crazy because the Chantilly Show
is known for being one of the you know, the
biggest shows on the East coast. But the Philly Show,
which is right up the road, a few hours up there,
it's over a thousand table show. Like I didn't know
until like last year when I when I went to
the Philly Show for the first.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Time of how big that show is.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
But Chantilly is a whole nother breed because of all
the autograph guests that they bring in three times a year.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You know they do it.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
They do the show three times a year within a
six month period and then from October to April there's nothing,
which it's crazy, but it works. It works for him.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
You guys will have some friends in Dallas. Jukes will
be there. I don't know if anybody knows off the
top of their head how many tables the Dallas Show is.
I've never been. I'll admit that's on my to do
list for card shows.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I can't remember because it's two separate rooms. You have
the main room in.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
My co host here four fifty. It's a really good show.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Chris Harris, who I saw on Chantilly a huge football show.
I think that gets back to Army when you were
saying it's the times years hard to get baseball players
right now.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, and you know, going back with Dallas. You know
Dallas actually you know, just happens to bring some of
the Rangers, the current Rangers in, you know during the show.
And one of the things that you know, people have
said at the CSA show is just like, if you're
there when the Nationals are playing, try to get the
national players. But you got to remember, like these shows
on the weekends, and a lot of times the weekend
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games are middle of the day, you know, like two o'clock,
four o'clock or whatever, and it's harder for them to
you know, doing everything and stuff like that. So trust me,
they talking with the actual people at the shows. They're trying,
they want to, but instead they bring in the Hall
of Famers, all time greats, everything else and and try
to you know, these first two shows in the beginning
the year, April and June, they bring all the active
football players in, not as many commanders. People are wanting
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you know, everyone wants that big one.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Jaydon Daniels, I'm from Baltimore. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Oh yeah, you've been fine with your Ray Lewis and
Ed Reid and all them.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Jim Palmer, uh yeah, but you know what to your point.
They do a lot of Hall of Famer and I
think that is huge for collect I think there's a
lot of people out there that chase Hall of Fame autographs.
I don't think that's the secret, and I think that's
one of the one of the things that makes the
show so much.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, especially the April shows, because they always try to
get that that last you know, the ones that just
got you know, accepted into the Hall of Fame for football, right,
you know that that the class from this year. We're
all there, minus one of course, and where they're signing,
you know, especially you know, you know Sterling Sharp was
there signing right next to his brother Shannon. You know,
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now that was awesome, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
That was awesome, Ruben, you got my Johnny United Rookie.
What a cool card? Right now I'm shopping uh for
center Johnny Bench rook If anybody's got one, damn me.
So the card shows in general, Lauren, what's the vibe
you're getting on the floor, modern vintage kids, adults just
overall kind of like, what's what's are you getting?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
A lot more people asking about Pokemon talking about Pokemon.
We don't do a lot of Pokemon, but we you
know what few we have well like, it goes very
quickly and usually for very close to the asking price.
So that's it. I mean, I don't think that's a
surprise to anyone. It's been on a very big upswing lately.
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So yeah, really, that's the biggest thing that sticks out
to me right now is that there is a big
shift towards Pokemon. I think a lot of people typically
do sports are also kind of like examining Pokemon. Maybe
not like diving in completely, but definitely talking about it.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You seen the same.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Thing, and I've talked to a lot of individuals about it.
It's just the the TCG aspect of collecting and buying
and selling. They they don't go They're not like you know,
the sellers and the buyers aren't like sports individuals, you know,
going to eBay seeing the last comps, you know, the
last comp for Pokemon and everything. They use the TCG,
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you know, different guides and stuff. They'll give you close
to one hundred percent what the last one sold for.
They're not saying, hey, the last five is average of
you know this, can I get seventy percent? No, Because
they know as soon as someone walks away, someone else
will come up and pay for that price, so that
the TCG buyers and sellers they're they're they're very very
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you know, on point with their prices and people come
and go to this table so fast. And there's a
lot more shows that you know, have started that, especially
in this area that I've seen that were let's say,
eighty percent sports and they were twenty percent Pokemon and
it's flopped. It's now like eighty percent Pokemon and twenty
percent sports and wild.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well that's exactly what bo one million Cubs is saying here.
The Madison Pokemon Show, which is Pokemon only next Sunday,
sold out with one hundred and forty dealers table. So
to both of your points, if they're pulling off a
complete show, almost like strong pil for vintage, that says
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something about the strength of that piece of the market.
A couple other comments here, Stuke' said a dealer you
talked to did very close to national sales at the
last Dallas show, so big, showing the strength of the market.
I think it's a sleeper strong market right now. In Hawaii,
we're majority Pokemon. All good brings folks in Hey collect
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what you love. There's no right, there's no wrong. Speaking
of which, I picked up a fifty two Tops Dodger
team set fal ball with the Jackie. Very freaking cool.
I'm not going to get up and show you, but
I have my fifty two Jackie blue T shirt over
there that I was wearing around the house before I
got online. Gordon, we had a small thirty dealer show
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yesterday and only four to five sold sports cards. So
that's a ninety ten split eighty five ten fifteen. So
you know, I got a list of topics I wanted
to hit. But let's let's stop on this for a second.
Is twenty five?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I mean, it's it's hard. It's hard not to these days.
You know, I'm not into it. I mean, I mean
it depends. Do you do you put like V Friends
in DCG because with its huge release coming out with
Tops Chrome, like does it fall in that realm? Because
it is an actual game, it is a playing game,
and that's gonna be a huge release next month.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
That was an intelligent question. You threw me off guard.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I do.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I do think the non sports entertainment catile including TCG,
will be huge.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
So I know I agree because I don't know if
anyone saw that, you know, fanatics put out that they're
looking for the manager to run that department, right if
I and I've said this from time to time again,
the connections that Michael Rubin and that that group has
with all these entertainers and you know everybody else is like,
when is there like version of Pop Century coming out
for Tops?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
You know, yes, So I imagine that's eventually gonna happen
and that's gonna help that entertainment ask the Tops.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I'm sorry, no, just saying that's a really good point
that you're you're right, like, we haven't really touched on
entertainment a lot, and Michael Rubin does have the connection.
So if anybody's gonna expand like Pop Century because Pop
Century is a very popular product for Leaf, so you know,
for Tops to get their hands on it the way
that they've like I'm sorry, I'm coming back to WrestleMania again,
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but like the way they've integrated Travis Scott with WrestleMania,
Like that's been huge for for Tops and for you know, collectors,
and so yeah, like uniting the two that's really that
that might be the next stop. I think Alex made
really good about that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well, then let's just jump ahead because because I like
those points, we want to talk some WWE anyway, uh today,
So let's just very professional transition there. I appreciate that. Well,
is there perhaps a buyback program or something going on?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It's a little bit you hear that, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
What's what's the program? For people that haven't heard?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
All right, So you have WWE tops Chrome this year
twenty twenty five, just like the previous buybacks, like they're
they're going off of winners. You know, the baseball buyback
was the win the MVPs for the al nl uh
UFC did the buybacks of the winners of one of
the main events. So they're doing the same thing. There's
two main events, two nights, and they decided on two
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different matches. You have Jay Usso and Gunther and then
you have Charlotte Flair versus Tiffany Stratton. Now a lot
of people get it mixed up. But if you look
at my article that I wrote on clicking with this
side breaks it down on how to figure out which
card is with I just happened to have them right
in front of me, So it so happens. Yeah, just
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so happens right, you know. So it's the base cards,
none of the insert none of the auto is just
the base cards. You have a bass card, this will
be a twenty If gun Through wins, this will be
a twenty dollars credit to your lcs, the ones that
actually participate. And if you go to tops dot com
you can actually search to see which which LCSs are participating.
Then you have there's a million different refract refractors like
this is just like the hyper of jay Usso this
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is I think the checkerboard. These are all forty dollars
cards whoever went, you know, for credit. And then you
have the numbered parallels. The number parallels broken down by
going from one hundred dollars to two hundred dollars depending
on you know what it is. And I think this
one out of two forty nine is for my mistake,
it's either one hundred and two hundred dollars card. I
think it's one hundred dollars card because it's ninety nine
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and less is a two hundred dollars buy back credit.
This if Charlotte wins, which I need Charlotte and Jada
win to maximize my number for the amount of buybacks
that I have will be one hundred dollars credit back
to uh to lcs's.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Okay, crucial question. Your buyback money goes to what?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Uh, it depends on what the store has, so it.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Really back to the store, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
And it's that's a great program because what Tops does
with these now we've seen because they've actually reintroduced them
back into the products with Otani and Judge and they
actually some of them are signed, but they're really rare.
I've I've only seen like one that have came out
the following year. And uh, what they do with the
w W wants will be very interesting, but uh, yeah,
it all depends. Like I'll take it in. I'll look
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to see what they have for you know, O rall
and slabs and you know, look at stuff around. Maybe
some supplies I need to get because you know, he's
about to go up because it's crazy and uh and uh,
but maybe I'll get some wax. I'm a djen. I
love opening wax and everything. I'll just reroll it into
something else.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I like dj I'm too old to have heard that one. Lauren,
would do you collect WWE and have have you heard
about the patch release?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I I do collect a little bit, but more so
we as Djen's open it, we enjoy opening it. It's
really a fun product, even I mean even with me.
I mean because they were recently with Panini and had
you know, select and everything. It was it's just really
fun to open, you know, and w W is entertaining,
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so it was really fun to open. And I think,
you know, because we're big basketball people, it was more reasonable,
you know, to to spend money on and and it's
just fun. You know. It's you can pop in and
out of the w W very easily, you know. That's
it's I've seen people compared to like a soap opera,
like you can jump in and out very easily. So
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it's a fun product. And I I like Cody Rhodes.
That's you know, probably very basic and you know whatever,
but I like them a lot. And he and John Cena,
you know, like that's a really easy match for people
to jump in and out of. And so yeah, I
think I think it's I don't think it's you know,
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just to kind of tie back to what we were
talking about with TCG, I don't think it's necessarily gonna
have that big of an upswing, but I do think
it's gonna be bigger than it has been because of
the ease of access, and that that's another thing too,
is that people have been saying, you know, with NBA,
it's hard to watch games. You know, you can go
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an entire season without seeing some of the teams. And
WWE is pretty accessible. You can watch it on Friday
on USA, on cable, you can watch it on Netflix
Monday night Raw. If you have the Peacock app, you
can see everything for WrestleMania this weekend. So which I'm
not saying that that's easy access, but that's reasonable access.
Other than like, like you know, with NBA you have
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to have excuse me, like the league past, but then
you have blackouts for your local teams. So if you
care about your local teams, you have to have another subscription,
and then if you want to see the big header games,
then you have to have you know, cable and watch
on you know, like so I know, I'm kind of
you know, making a mountain out of molehill with that question,
but I think for collectors it is more fun. It's
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for us, you know, we can jump in and out,
you know, you can pick your favorite and you can reasonably,
you know, just like with the actual WW with the products,
you can jump in and out. The prices aren't like
too crazy if you want to just kind of like
dip your toes in and try it out.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I have one one caveat though.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
First off, with back to the buyback program, I'm really
upset that sapphire cards weren't included. So the reason why
sapphires never included is because usually with tops chrome, sapphire
is a complete different product, that they're not the same numbers,
they're not the same images and everything. However, WW was
exactly the same cards, the same numbers, everything else, just
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the sapphire print.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
The fact that they.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Didn't add these to the buy back I think it
killed this product. No one wants to open sapphire now
the prices were up. I mean they're sapphire box. It's
like there were like four or five hundred dollars a
box and now you can get them for like almost
little less than three hundred.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
No one wants to.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Buy this because these aren't part of the buyback program.
And I think they should have looked at that before
they put their numbered out and everything. And because that
really hurt a lot of shops. One of the other
thing I wanted to talk about was WWE. I've been
following it for years, and especially the card market. You
have to be careful if you're one of those people buying,
flipping and everything else buying selling. Once WrestleMania happens, there
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is a It's just like the Super Bowl happens, just
like the World Series. Wrestling's not so much in the
forefront so much because everyone's leading up to WrestleMania. Yes,
you're gonna have Summer Slam, You're gonna have all these
next pay per views, but it WrestleMania is the granddaddy
of them, all right, So so you have to watch
out the stuff that you know that that's going that
you might be using to you know, possibly sell because
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of these these athletes. It's gonna be all of a sudden,
wrestling's out of the news for a hot minute because
no more WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
One of the things for WrestleMania forty one, and to
your point is, I think the TOPS is trying to
increase in post WrestleMania to try to keep a chase going.
So they've actually introduced a patch for WrestleMania and then
you also have a debut patch for Raw and uh,
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somebody else might SmackDown thank you, So you get the
debut patch on the boot most likely except for John
Cena is going to be on the back of his shoes.
But they're creating a one on one auto chase patch.
This has been successful in other sports with people searching
for it and the athletes going for it. Lart you
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think you think it'll be just as popular in w
W A.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I think so because it's something new, you know. And
again with I think with you know, to tie back
to like the Travis Scott thing. I think with wrestling
you can kind of try things a little bit. It
doesn't feel as forced because you know, WWE and celebrities
have kind of always been like intermingled. So I think
that like they can try a little bit, you know,
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they can do some more experimenting. And you know, patches
are always cool, Autos are always cool. And and they
had that the tops now chase for the triple Auto.
That was a you know, that was a huge deal.
That was you know, I think it was found this
week and you know, that was a really big that
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that was a big spike in the purchase of the
tops Now cards because people wanted that. So I think,
you know, kind of making the w W cards more
in parallel with like what we traditionally like with like
logo man, and you know that kind of thing in
other sports. I think it's a good I think it's
a good transition to see like you know and and
(20:45):
I wrestling. You know, That's the thing too, is like
fans in different sports kind of like priority, Like baseball
fans prioritize different things than like basketball fans and that
kind of thing. So I think it'll be a good
way to gauge what, you know, what wrestling fans are
are really into. Like do I think it's cool? Yeah,
but does the majority of wrestling collectors are they interested
(21:05):
in relics? Are they you know, do they care more
about the auto than a relic? So, yeah, it'll it'll
be interesting to see how it you know, how it's received.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
And yeah, so you know, I see in the chat,
you know, people are calling it fake.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
It's not a sport.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Everything else, right, what other entertainment aspect right in the
minus you know, UFC fights, you know, like every event
that they do from SmackDown raw. You know, all the
pay per views are are full. The whole place is
filled to capacity. Not any of your sporting events, your
major teams, even the Celtics, Lakers or whatever, have sold
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out games every game like these. These these fans are
die hard. Yes, it's acting, it's it is, but they're
die hard fans. And I think that's where you know,
fanatics with fanatics fests. You know that the activation and
stuff that they had with w B and the cards
right next door to we're trying to combine the two,
trying to get those fans to get introduced to more cards,
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and it actually did the vice versa. More of the
card people got introduced to WB that might not have
been you know, had anything understanding of WWE. So bridging
that gap and everything. But to say that, you know,
constantly say it's fake and it's scripted. It is, But
these are athletes. The stuff that they do that they
have to you know, they put their body online and stuff.
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They're selling out these arenas there. You know, there's a
whole week and a whole week for WrestleMania, just like
the Supper Bowl, right, So, I mean it's hard to
ignore all that.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
There's nothing wrong with enjoying athletes, even if it's if
there's a story with it, And Lauren mentioned the soap
opera aspect of being able to go in and out
and know what it is. Nobody has to compare that
to sports. You don't have to choose one over the other.
They can be wonderful, they can be different. I can
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like music and I can like movie. I don't have
to choose, and so, you know, I think that people
make too much of comparing the two, and I just
think there's no reason to enjoy the product, to collect
what you love. I'll go back to that. I do
want to say that I do think that chasing the match,
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use game, use relics is an extremely cool thing. Ray
Allen this week just chased down. I think it was
his logo. Man. And we're seeing more and more athletes
that are actually putting out their own bounties and you know,
getting into it. Lauren, what do you think about the
success of a program where the athletes are actually interested.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
I think it's really cool. You know, it's there's so
many different takes you can have about it, because you know,
how do you compete if you're a reel and collector?
How do you compete with Ray Allen to like get
a card you desire, you know, like so like it's cool,
but also I can't. I can't compete, you know, so,
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but you know, it is neat. It's it's always fun
to see, you know, like Grant Williams is into card
collecting and you know, and he's I think he's interested
more like other players. And I think that's what a
lot of traditionally, a lot of people have said, like,
if you know, you give your favorite athlete a card
of them, they're like, man, But if you give them
somebody that they like look up to or that they
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played with or you know whatever, they're a little more
passionate about that. But I you know, like Yiannis collecting
his own cards and you know, very clearly kind of
stating the purpose of like, you know, I'm interested in these,
but I also want to save them for like my children.
You know that this is something I'm gonna pass down
to them. I think it's you know, just I think
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it's just interesting. You know. I don't really know if
it's like good or bad or you know whatever, but
it's interesting to see, like, you know, the motivation behind it,
the interaction, the relationships, you know, the storyline. I think
that that's you know, I think it's just interesting.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Alex, if you had a patch card of yourself, would
you be chasing it?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
So I have some patch cards for Gary from Hit,
some memorabilia he used to make Tube traders back in
the day in like twenty ten timeframe, and a lot
of US YouTubers sent him. You know, I had some
some uniforms that I was I was in Afghanistan and
I sent it to him and he put him in cards.
Of course I would. I would definitely chase you know,
that type of stuff. And there's so many individuals and
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I think the power of social media is helping with
them because you know, you got like Evan Carter, you
have my Trout, you have Matt Strom. You know, they
have their own series right that you know that are
they're doing with card collecting and stuff. Then there's people
that are in the background that aren't aren't as much
like a lot of people don't know. Cole Anthony is
a die hard Pokemon collector. Yeah right, and he's down
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at he's down at Big League in Orlando, you know,
shout out to Alan Nars like he's in there all
the time, all the time, just coming in the shop,
you know, buying packs. Hit He's just like he wants
to get these special tickets that you know, you do
the special wheel to get another you know, pack and
stuff like he does. He's just he's there for the
Pokemon's wild.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I definitely had no chance. I definitely have no chance
of ever having my own patch card, unlike you evidently,
but I will. I will seek out one. If anybody
wants to make me, I'm happy to take it. I
think they're super cool. I think when athletes get involved,
it brings at an organic level the coolness to the product.
(26:20):
You know, we're so used to chasing our heroes and
the guys that we watch, but when they want to
do the same thing we're doing, that makes it so
real and I think that makes a connection with the
athlete that that you know, it's hard to replicate. I mean,
you can't stay after every game and get an autographic.
You can't buy, you know, and afford to buy Flawless
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or whatever it is you know, for every player. But
you know, the patch cards, if you're I could see
surpassing almost rookie cards if they're if it's you know,
not a debut patch. I think game used true cool.
Whether it's a Tamy stuff from his home run chase
or other stuff like that, That game used stuff that
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really happens organically in a special moment is cool. And
it's the reason I think tops now and all the
companies that do the instant cards are cool because you
have a real moment that nobody planned. You know, somebody
did something and now you turn into something you can
collect and keep it. So for those reasons, I just
I just think it's freaking.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Awesome, be very interesting. You know, Giannie's first national appearances
this year, you'd love to see him walk the floor.
I mean, he's gonna get mobbed and everything up there,
but it would love to see him go around and
see look at the cards since he included in it
trying to find his own stuff whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I think that would be pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
And if you don't know, some of these people have
buyers for them, so uh yeah, if if you work
a table, you never know who you're talking to, or
you never know who somebody's you know, friends with they're
buying for. Because you're honest, like you said, he might
stick out.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
In the crowd quite possibly.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, just a little bit, all right. One of the
trends that I've been seeing, Uh, here we go. Rock
Lessler was an NCAA wrestling last shot. Okay. So one
of the things I think is really cool is the
NBA is changing their playoffs system. With the play in
(28:24):
I think has worked well. I think they're highlighting the
stars this time of year. I'm gonna turn to Lauren
here because I think she's actually part of the Orlando
Magic front office. I'm not sure at this point if
she doesn't have a title with them. Uh, tell everybody
who doesn't know your fandom and what do you think
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of the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yep, so longtime Magic fan, but happy to anybody who
wants to join the bandwagon as we send. Very happy
to have you. Yeah, I mean the playoffs are the
best time of year. Especially the Magic are in the playoffs,
which you know, it doesn't happen a lot, but we're
going back to back this year. Playoffs is the best basketball.
(29:08):
You know, It's kind of like with March Madness, like
they're all playing with a different purpose and passion. And
you know, if anybody watched, like Danny mention the play
and the playing is you know, winner and go home
for a lot of them. The Magic just won against
the Atlanta Hawks the other night, which meant that Magic
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was in and they earned their spot. But then Atlanta
had to go and play against whoever won the Miami
Chicago game. Last night Atlanta played Miami and and it
was a crazy game. It went into overtime. They you know,
it's it's really fun basketball. The passion is there and
and you do get to see you know, the stars emerge.
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And it does also kind of level the playing field
because like Cleveland has been number one, like all season,
nobody watched Cleveland games because they're not prevalent. You know,
they're not La, they're not Boston, they're you know, Lebron's
not there. So a lot of people haven't seen Cleveland
in action, and they're kind of like sleeping on Cleveland
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in their first place status. But this is when you
get to see, like, you know, especially players who maybe
like Jaw, things have been a little quite on round
John Morant because you know, injuries and controversies and what
have you. So you know, he you know, is able
to I love his new celebration names, you know, but
he's you know, he's like, I'm here and I'm playing,
(30:34):
and I'm you know, I'm I'm doing what I was
built to do. And it's fun to see these players
like they all the distractions fall away. This is it,
this is what they focus on and and it's really
fun and it's fun to see the emerging stars. You know,
Paolo Orlando is amazing. And I'm biased, but he's amazing,
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Frands Paul, Anthony, Alexmith, Klets Pokemon, He's awesome all around,
and he had a really great game the other night.
You know, it's it's a fun time to kind of
look at other players that you aren't typically like, you know,
spoon fed. Of course, everybody loves the Lakers and Lebron
and Luca, like that's awesome. It's really cool. But it's
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cool to see the other players and the other you know,
stories and the other skills like come to the top.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
So from a card perspective, as underrated, yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I mean I think so, it's you know, it's he
he was injured this year too, which definitely his cards
took a hit from that because he was out for
twenty games, twenty two games, and maybe and and also
you know, it's Orlando. People aren't really watching Orlando. We've
kind of been a joke for the last you know,
decade and a half or so. So yeah, his his
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cards are I think, by most people underrated. You know,
there are some people who are really passionate, but they're
getting deals, you know, like and we have some Palalo,
not a lot, but some. And you know, we feel
about the investment in him because we see him, We
see what he has, we see what he brings to
the table. You know, we see that there is you know,
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potential for you know, future greatness for the franchise. He's
going to be great no matter what. But like, you know,
but yeah, Pallo, I think is definitely undervalued right now.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Alex get I do so I get into the whole aspect.
I've been card wise and stuff is one thing. But
I was listening to the radio other day and it
made a very good point. The way that they do
the playing actually benefits you know, you're better seating, right
you know, if you're if you're out of out of
the actual plane, you get a nice little week long
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vacation to rest up. You know, don't have to worry
about you know, it's load managements, a huge thing these days.
I mean to the point of, you know Paolo and
is he underrated and stuff. It's like if when you
miss twenty games, you're automatically out of the running for
any of the awards that year. So you can't be
you know, all NBA, you can't be anything. So you're
not gonna have that those those titles, you know, on
your actual resume, even though you still had a great season,
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and you're just just having to be hurt a little
bit during these So you know, a lot of people
tie the championships, the titles you know, and everything else
and the MVPs and stuff to you know how great
of a player you were, And some of those players
you know or are are better than it actually looks,
except when you have an MVP season you average a
triple double. But yet somehow the media has forced for
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you someone else to win the MVP. But that's a
different problem every thing. But I think the way the
playoffs are, and I have to agree with the people
that I was listening to, is you know, getting that
week off right and then you win that first round
like Orlando did. Now they actually got the rest of
that week off before this weekend, before they're playing. But
if you're those lower seed teams that have to fight,
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you're gonna have to go back to back and then
a couple of days then you're be playing again. So
winning this season or just making in the playoffs and
not that the playing game one. It's giving us more basketball,
right and it's it's in the middle of arguably the
best time of year for sports. Think about this. March
Madness is right after the Super Bowl and then you
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have the Masters has happened, WrestleMania is happening, The NFL
Draft is happening this week, the NBA playoffs, at NHL playoffs.
Everything is back to back to back, and it's just
this time of year is incredible.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I just put in the chat SBA Joker, Curry or
Lebron who's the best. And I'm sure I'm leaving people
out and everything else, but just for conversations sake, these
are four people who play the game very differently. And
I think we're seeing in the NBA right now for
people who haven't paid attention, the game is evolving. Analytics
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have hit the sport. Spacing on the court, you know,
has changed, Movement without the ball has changed, and when
you look at you know, Sga, if you look at Joker,
I mean, could you be built more differently? It's like
the movie twe with Schwarzenegger and Davida. You know, it's
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really and I think that's a good thing. I think
people like watching We're not everybody is six six and
and driving, you know, to the whole every play, you know,
and it's done. I do think the game has evolved,
and I think if you haven't watched recently, it's good
basketball right now.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
And the problem that you know, people constantly just say
in the Shay thing, right, this is this is wild.
Shae is a point guard. He's one hundred percent of
point guard. Joker is a center, and he's second on
average for assists.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
He is in the top three for points, rebounds, and assists,
for averaging averaging a triple double. Right, And and we're
taking an MVP away from him because the MVP fatigue.
You know that, the same reason with like Lamar Jackson,
right and everything else like that, the fact that you know,
I forgot my bad it's definitely shouldn't have went that round,
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you know, because because Lamar so, I mean, Shay is
fourteenth in the league and average insist and he's a
point guard seventy sixth and rebounds first in points of course,
and he's still twenty first in field goal percentage jokers
in the top three. Like you're taking away an MVP
season all because the Oklahoma City won the West compared
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to the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I don't like that. Everyone talks stats. Stats don't lie, Lauren.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
How did the Nuggets fire their coach?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I mean is it's got to be the biggest job
that the advice I would give is Rent, not by
I mean an NNBA head coaches you know, don't even
get comfortable and Bett, I mean you could be gone
at any time. And so somebody made the comment in
the chat and that's the reason I brought it up
is which coach is going to get fired after one
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loss in the playoffs? And there's a lot of truth
to that, but I want to look at the player
side of it, and Alex made a lot of good points.
Who in the playoffs this year has room to grow
in their in their value of their cards. You know, Lebron,
another title will give him a temporary bomp and then
he'll probably come back to where he is. SGA has
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he already maxed out for this season? Or does the
MVP do it? I mean, is Tatum finally? You know,
if Boston does anything? You know, any thoughts?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Would you say, Evan Mobley from the CAF.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yes, the one that the non sexy Cleveland Cavaliers is
Laren was talking about. Yeah, but both of you, guys,
I'll throw this to both of you. You know who
has the most to gain? Is it Mobley? Is it
Ben Caro?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I think, honestly, I think probably Cleveland. Definitely, Cleveland definitely.
I think has you know, room to grow. Did the
Maps fire a kid? Is that true? Or is that
just came in?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I I if that's true, let.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Us know, because I was gonna say when you mentioned Denver,
I was gonna say, if Jason Kidd can keep a job,
then I don't know why anybody else but Benny.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
They somewhere, some team has her.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
But I'm sorry I got started. But you know, like
people are still not talking about, you know, Houston and
what and what the Rockets have been doing. You know,
they have one of the Thompson twins, they have Jalen Green.
They they had a really good season and I think
they are also forgotten and I think that they're young
(38:27):
and do every to grow. So I think Cleveland definitely,
But I also don't know that Cleveland will ever get
I don't think players from Cleveland other than Lebron will
ever get the the love and attention in the hobby
that they deserve. And you know, like you may mention
Jason Tate, I don't understand necessarily why people don't love
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Jason Tatum. I it's really interesting that the Celtics, you know,
they won last year, they're very good team, They're Boston
and they're there. Their players are like not beloved by
the hobby. Be like Jalen Brown, you know, he was
the MVP last year. He's you know, and I don't know,
maybe it's like the personality thing that they're kind of
quiet or that, you know whatever. But yeah, it's really
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interesting to see, like like what what plays out as
far as the cards. I think with Shay, I think
he I think like with you know, outside of the hobby,
I think he like is a little overpriced. This is personal,
so I'm sorry, you know that offends people. I think
that there is hype that's built into him that's like
a little overvalued. I think Jokic, as good as he is,
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he's probably undervalued, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
So that's Jokic keeps these numbers up, He's going to
be literally, in the conversation, the top five player of
all time, h right, you know, and that that's that's
the concept. The concept is all these prices of cards.
Everyone has cards. They think that all they think is
like Mantle, Jordan, you know Brady, they think Trout, you
know how those prices were outrageous, right for the rookies.
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And so everyone buys these rookie cards thinking, Okay, I'm
gonna they're eventually gonna be that that at that price someday.
But they never hold them. They just reflip them and
sell them again. No one uses as actual investment. So
I think it, you know, goes down to maybe it's
you know, Anthony Edwards going against and beating the Lakers,
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beating Lebron and Luca.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
You know, that helps his his rise.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
It depends on the matchups and you know how they're
actually playing, playing in that game will help so much
with you know, card prices.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yes, and we're all buying page back. I think that's
an excellent point. We look back and I've had this
conversation with people that there's errors era, the r a
eras of athletes, and there seems to be one or
two cards that becomes the symbol of that era, whether
(40:50):
it's the fifty two Man or the eighty nine Griffy,
the eighty six Jordan. You know, there's just certain cards,
like you said, Alex, and for this generation, nobody talked
about some card will come out of this generation. Some
card will be my son's Griffy, you know, and and
you know what is that card? And we've learned it's
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probably not a one on one. It might be a
limited card, but it's something that people are exposed to.
It's a player that has popularity and you know, typically
in let you know, they can overcome a small market.
You know, Lebron being the only person to come out
of Cleveland with value and Orlando nothing personal and I
think it's very hard to come out of there with
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value in a big market. So I mean you're talking
about Joker. I mean, he could be that guy for
this generation, but you know, is he is there? You know,
for lack of a better term, is there sex appeal?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I think that someone else. I think it might be
King Clerk. I think it might be, you know, someone
like her, honestly in this era, do you think about it?
You know, there was so much bunched around. You know,
you have Ron Joker, you have Mitchell, you had Tatum,
you had all those individuals that were a little bit
before and a little bit after. You know the w
I mean going back wnba right. You know you've got
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a few of her with her with Angelise, with Page
Becker's coming out and everything. But you know the fact
that her market is still up right every and it
could be depending on it if she just continues the
same realm. Maybe it's a Kate and Clark.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
It's a great point vintage card collector says the Luca
based Prism Rookie is our eighty nine Griffy upper Deck.
I see the point. It's a very popular car. There's
a lot out there. Yeah, I think this happens to
a lot of people. Caitlin Clark on Draft Night was
running one hundred to two hundred. They printed was forty
(42:44):
one thousand from reading that correctly, and it was ten
dollars when it was released. Yeah, that's gonna happen on
a lot of players. That's not specific to Caitlin. However,
what if she's not the best player out of Becker's
Juju Watkins, I mean all these other people. Asia Will
could be the person for the generation, you know beast well,
(43:04):
I mean she could. There's more MVPs out there, so,
you know the w NBA, not just I wonder if
Caitlin's going to be looked at as the first of
the next generation or the best star.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
And remember, do we are we looking at these individuals
as the generational talent? The ones that we remember? Remember,
like we followed Lebron from when he was, you know,
a teenager. We followed these individuals when they were young.
Bryce Harper might not even my trup, but all these
individuals and are young Victor when he was over in France,
you know, and have that hype. Joker was drafted during
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a Taco bell commercial. Right, you know these and you
know Adria Wilson, no one talks about her rookie cards
and everything, right, it's is the media and in the
talk helping determine what that card is.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Well, when she goes to the Hall of Fame, I
think people will find her cards, all right? Can I
transition slightly before we run at a time. I've heard
of a trend of a lot of people on social media,
A lot of people I talk to vintage cards actually
going grading down. If you have a seven, maybe finding
a five with just as good of an I appeal.
(44:15):
I think a lot of people complain about the consistency
of grading across all the companies anyway, So you might
find a six that looks as good as a seven,
a four that looks as good as a six, or
whatever it is, and save a lot of money, sell
the more expensive one, or pass one completely. Lauren, are
you buy the card not the grade or do you
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have to have the grade if you're reselling it? What's
your view on I guess raw versus graded, and then
I versus number.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
I guess it depends because I have been thinking about
this a lot lately, and it depends on how much
I want the card. And also see, there's just so
many different angles to take in so many different ways
that people feel about it. But I I like the
looks of cards, you know, like I do kind of
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prioritize the I appeal over the the hype or the
you know the specificity of like what makes it special
to you know, whatever product it's coming from. If I
don't like the way it looks, then I'm not I'm
not totally interested. Like Coco, I collect Cocoa goth and
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you know, I collect as much as I can and
don't really care about the grade. But if I was deciding,
you know what, I have too many, I would like
to downsize or I would like to reinvest this into
some something else that I collect, I do prioritize the grade.
You know, I look and see, and I mean I
look and see. You know, with chrome cards, there's not
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really a lot of variation sometimes to the naked eye
between a nine or ten or an eight or ten,
which I know is not vintage, and I know that's
kind of what you know is foruring this conversation. But yeah,
I think if it was vintage, you know, there there
is I think more I appeal to those cards than
there is, you know, like technicality because of you know,
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the age of the paper and the materials used to
make them and that kind of thing. So for me,
it is I would probably say overall, I would prioritize
the I appeal. But you know, if it's I don't know,
if it's something that you've been like just running after
for so long, and you know, you're like, I'm just
(46:29):
gonna extend myself and like really invest in this card
that I've wanted because of the higher grade, you know.
I guess it just depends on like where your priorities
are even that day. Might you know the day to
day I might not, you know, Like I don't know.
I guess it just it just kind of depends on
as a collector, what mood you're in. But I can
understand both sides, you know, depending on you know, and
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also with you know, how you're feeling about the financial
market and stuff from day to day. You know, that
might influence you. So I guess it's kind of more
than not really in either or, but maybe like a
tipping scale, you know that you kind of just check
in with you know, your gut as you know, the
opportunity to here.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
ARM really curious your thoughts on this. I know both
you guys are at a lot of shows as Sham
Tilly this maybe I mean you saw more of the
floor than I did. I saw a lot of raw vintage,
and I saw people not throwing high grades in my face.
If I were to ask for a card, they would
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say I have one in a three and a four.
They wouldn't just say here's my best one, you know,
and try to send me the most expensive one. Are
you some kind of questions I asked Lauren, you know
raw versus graded number versus ipl where do you fall?
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Well, so fall into always you know why what you like?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Right? That's that's the key, you know my cool cards?
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (47:52):
I think it goes in different different aspects, right. I
think everyone can see and starting to understand the cards
that don't lose a lot of value are those vintage cards,
and guess which way they're gonna go up. If they're
not losing value, they're gonna go up. So if you
buy a three right now, next year might be selling
at a four or five face. I think more people
are possibly buying into these lower grades for the aspect
(48:15):
of the scarcity of these cards are going to start
happening because true collectors, I'm not saying that, you know,
the person who flips is not true collector and everything.
The collectors are out there buying these cards and they're
not putting them out to sell, They're keeping them. Those
individuals that are putting the raw cards and those lower
grades in the in your face. They're probably not put
showing you that the eights, the sevens, the nine to
(48:35):
tens because they're at home and they're safe. They're at home.
You know, they're not coming out. Those are the ones
that they're holding on to as an investment. But they
can move these other smaller cards. So more individuals are
going around buying, you know, these vintage cards low grades,
possibly expecting you know, a year from now, two years
from now, that you know that low grade is going
to be worth more because it's just see, that's what
(48:56):
the trend is to either.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
One of you nerd out on pop reports.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Ever I do I one do I look for the
unique type of cards that have the very low pop
count compared to other words. And I'll use an example
of a modern card, not so much a you know,
adventage chart Joe Burrow, uh prism silver PSA ten, which
is you know, cream of the crop of his you know,
(49:20):
regular rookie cards whatever, thousands that are graded PSA ten. Right,
the mosaic silver is like one hundred and fifty PSA tens.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
The fact that there were back in twenty twenty, it
was like one silver rookie per box, there weren't as many.
So that so understanding that aspect of that low pop
count for that PSA ten which is just the base
silver compared to the prism which is you know, ten
to twenty times that I like that kind of stuff,
you know, holding that stuff and everything to be like
down the road, that should be the one that possibly
(49:52):
is gonna go up because it's not the many out there.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Laren is something that affects your world buying selling? Do
people talk about pop reports or is it one to
one and just what's on the card. I know, you
know a lot of people look the scarcy of what's
printed on the card out of ninety nine and then
there's the actual pop report because so kind of two
different ways to measure.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Yeah, I think, I mean, and for me personally, I
think it's interesting data. I don't know that it necessarily
impacts how I move, but I do think it's always
interesting data to to examine. I think it does factor
in for some people that you know, what we've seen,
you know, when we're at tables, which you know, so
(50:34):
it's just our experience. People will check if they're kind
of coming down to you know, if if the numbers
are too far apart with you know, recent comps or
something that's kind of another level that they'll you know,
advance to, like okay, well how many you know there
are this many out there, you know. So I don't know,
(50:54):
you know, it's I think it's for me, it's just
another piece of interesting data to factor in. Is it
Does it mean the bottom line? Usually not for me,
but I know for some people it does, you know,
they want to know how hard is this to pursue?
How frequently will I encounter it in the wild, how
frequently will I find it you know, online, you know,
(51:15):
from another collector, somebody showing it off. So yeah, it's
interesting data to see, you know. And like you said,
vintage is gonna dry up because that's just the nature
of the beast. So yeah, I don't know, it's I
don't know. We're at an interesting time. I think. I
think we are at a turning point within the hobby
right now with a lot of like with I think
(51:36):
a lot of things with grading with vintage, which with
modern I think we're all kind of having a little
bit of like, for lack of a better term, a reckoning.
But there's a shift I think there's a shift happening
across the hobby to how we're all moving and how
how things are like what the projection is for the future.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
I guess yeah, without a doubt. I think this is
a non positive or negative comment. But anytime you have
a company come in acquire a lot of licenses, you
have other companies that have to change their business models,
You're going to get innovation, You're going to get some
people are gonna be a little stagnant on products. You know,
you're you're gonna get a lot of different things. And
(52:18):
it is kind of a you know, you look to
the left, everything moves to the right. You look to
the right, everything moves to the left. Time in the hobby.
But there is a comment in here, and I love this,
by cool cards, stay in your lane. Yeah, just by
what you love, don't chase what other people are buying.
By cool cards, by what you like. I'm gonna take
(52:39):
that as a positive comment and I like that. Larry
says grating has really changed much tougher in the numbers,
does not mean as much, especially on older holders. Yeah,
I've heard that from a lot of people that that
a newer holder and an older holder will pull different
values even if it's the same number, so another reason
to maybe buy by the card you like, not the
(53:00):
number you like. All Right, we're on the two minute
warning year, so we'll finish up as we always like
to army, what are you buying? What are you chasing?
What are you doing in the hobby in the next
week or so?
Speaker 2 (53:14):
What have you next week or so?
Speaker 3 (53:16):
Recently, I'm actually it's crazy nonsport Genesis, Rainbow of Cyclops
pretty sweat.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah, I only need the well the one on one
and I'm not fine, but I have the Purple Out
of fifteen coming and I just need the Black Out
of ten. But when I'm doing this weekend, gonna be
in Cleveland for the Great Lakes Convention, show up there
sponsored by Greeny Sports Cards, and going up there and
do a lot of fun stuff. I'm gonna have a
table and now you're gonna be selling cards that I'm
(53:46):
just gonna have a table sitting down talking to people
about their stories, about their cards that they have and
everything else. I just want to and I'm doing a
whole bunch of things. They have a live media thing,
so it's gonna be pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
But you're doing autographs, and.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
I mean, if they want it, I don't know. I
think of deep. You know, the value will go down
as soon as the pen hits, so it's just like
it's like you're leaving. It's like you're leaving the the
the car lot when you buy a new car. Right
as soon as it's it's at the prices, the price
goes down. But weekend after that, I'm going to be
in Dallas, so back to back weekend's going to be
traveling to some bigger shows.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
So I'm pretty excited about that.
Speaker 1 (54:21):
Well, and I think we know where you're headed, But
what's on your horizon? What have you picked up, if
anything lately other than a lot of angst from the
Magic Well.
Speaker 4 (54:31):
One of the one of the benefits of being on
the road is that you can hit a lot of
different card shops and a lot of different retail stores.
And so when you this is actually a box that
fell out from our most recent trip. We found some
w n B a prism, so that we were opening
up a lot of that because lucked into it. There
(54:52):
was just a lot of it. The cool thing about
traveling across the country too, is that there's different demographics,
people care about different things. To circle back to Pokemon,
It's practically non existent right now where we're at in Arkansas.
But we've been good with the Bowman you and we've
had some some NBA. I think we have prism. I
think we just had prism. But yeah, right now, that's
(55:15):
that's we're just kind of trucking through, making our way
towards Dallas and and seeing where the road takes us.
But right now we're we're being degenerates, and we're ripping
a lot of product when we when we can look
into it.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
So, as I learned today, it is d Gens. So
the kid the kids are yes, exactly real quick, James says,
if you're in Arkansas, go camping and hunt for diamond.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
All right, well check on the first I'll work on
the second one.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah really, Alex, thank you, buddy, good seeing you appreciate it. Lauren,
thank you so much. Chat room kick butt today always
a pleasure. If I missed anything on the chat room,
I apologize. You can yell at me and my d MS.
This is three forty one every Saturday on Benchclear Media
(56:05):
Hobby Hotline at eleven am Eastern. Have a good one,
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