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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, good Saturday morning, It's time for another episode

(00:34):
of Hobby Hotline. I feel like I haven't been on
the show in a while. It's probably not the case,
but it just probably just feels like that. But happy
to be back and on this morning. I hope everyone
out there is doing uh fine as well. And I'm
joined on today's episode by two guys that you know

(00:55):
combined on the screen. The experience in the hobbies as
Yoda's age, I'd say, I'll put it that way, like
one hundred definitely three figures, uh and uh, and so
happy to be joined by Uncle Rich Klein as always
forty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
For me in the active hobbies. So Orlando, you only
have to be fifty two.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Only below us on screen level, not not in stature
as Orlando a collector. And Orlando's probably sitting there like,
how the heck am I going to get a word
in edgewise today? But don't worry, Orlando, you I hope.
So we are not a huge yeah by all means,
because I'll probably do that once or twice, if not

(01:40):
more than that. Let's we'll get to some good mornings
before we, uh we get right into it. Larry Gitlin
Good morning. Stuke's as always, Trey Sombrace three of us. Yeah,
I don't know about that, but thank you, Larry says,
looking crew.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I liked when did you did.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
You do the go?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I've always had it. I just I think I took
some out in the middle. So this is actually looks good.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
He's right. I was thinking to myself, John looks different.
It looks good. I got new glasses too, so that's probably. Oh,
he's the man.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to I'm trying not
to look as old as my age as much as
hold it off as long as I can.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Sign of the Pastime. Good morning, Peter B. Good morning
from rainy Cape God. Well, I'm in rainy Syracuse, so
we share the weather. I think your scenery is a
little better looking in Cape Cod than mine in Syracuse.
Mookie Chilsen, Uh morning, Uh Dean Gearhart, Hello, good morning,

(02:45):
uh Dean. All right, guys, we're gonna lead off with
this one because it's it's ongoing and it's making news
and even more so for what's the trends and what's
going on?

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Uh during it, right, and it'll be.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
On today after us. We're kind of the kickoff for
the draft today, but the NFL Draft I'm speaking of,
and I titled this the NFL Draft Draft in the
Shador slide. Chador on some people's boards, the best quarterback
on the board or the you know, in the top

(03:19):
twenty of just overall players. We're now into the fourth
round starting today, and he's not on the board.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
A lot of people know I'm a Steeler fan. They
are like super thirsty four quarterback and they haven't. They
didn't take them.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Not only once did they bypass them, but twice. And
there's been I think five or six quarterbacks selected thus far,
none of them by the name of Shador. We've seen
I'll say one more thing, guys, and then I'll let
you guys in here.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
We've seen sort of the running backs kind of make
a comeback, a few taken in the first round where
we Ashton genty with the number six pick to the Raiders,
and so.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
We're seeing this is gout. I watched the draft every year.
This is like a holiday for me. This is the
weirdest draft I've ever seen. Guys, and I've seen a
lot of them, so I don't know who wants to
go first here.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
But ahead, I'll go first. Sure.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Yeah, I think the problem with Shadir is, uh, he's
got a lot of baggage, you know. I mean, when
you got a father that's really good, it's kind of
pushing for him and all that.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
You know, that's good. You know, that's going to create.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
A lot of headline news that maybe some teams don't want.
And I just truly don't think that he's good as
they make him out to be. You know, he's he's
not as talented as cam Ward, but you know he's
a talented quarterback. I am surprised that he slipped down
so far. I really thought he would go probably in
the second round, but I just couldn't see him in

(04:45):
the first round. I see a lot of teams are
picking you like like my Dolphins. Dolphins picked up you know,
big offensive guy and a big defensive guy, you know,
three hundred and thirty pound guys and six four six
guys and for the Dolphins at least is to help
out with Tua and the blocking. But I think a
lot of the teams going for guys versus a lot

(05:06):
of the talent. And you know, because quarterbacks, as we
all know, I'm for risky no matter how good you
think they are from college to the NFL. Depth and
some guys just and I think Shadier is going to
be one of those guys that I think he's going
to struggle personally.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
You know, he didn't play for a big, big.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Team, you know, not one of the big teams, and
you know he's a great quarterback, but I don't he's
going to be a star.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
For me. I see it more as a backup latall.
I mean, that's my opinion. But you guys think, Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I've got a few things. One, let's not forget that
the two people in the the two most recent quarterbacks
in the goat discussion, Joe Montana and Tom Brady, were
drafted in the third and sixth round respective. So it's yes,
a lot of times you're you get a good shot

(05:55):
with the number one draft pick or a first round
and sometimes you get JaMarcus Russell and other people like
that that fail. In nineteen ninety one, you know when
John had his card store and he probably sold a
lot of these cards. The Jets drafted a young guy
by the name of Browning Nagel. How many Browning Nagol
cards did you sell? Then, and how many Browning Nago
cards can you sell today? There was also Todd Marinovitch

(06:17):
aka Tard Todd Marijuanovich. And there was one quarterback out
of the ninety one drafted. Oh Dan. Let's not forget
Dan MacGuire. His brother has his brother's potential. Baseball Hall
of Famer Dan not so much. There's one guy. I
think he was the fifth quarterback drafted in ninety one.
I think he was a first rounder. His name is
Brett Fahr. He's the only one of that ninety one

(06:38):
class that actually did anything, So you never know for sure.
The same thing today. You see some of these first
rounders do great, you see some of them fall apart.
Sometimes you see lower picks. Rock Perties made the Super Bowl,
made the Playoffs. He was the last player selected. So
where you fall to? Ron Wolf, the old Packers general manager,

(06:59):
maning as good as John on his monologues. Ron Wolf,
the old Packtors general manager, always said I want to
draft a quarterback every year, and he drafted among people
he brought to camp, Mark Brunell and Kurt Warner. So
it's not necessarily a I'll put in in air quotes
a death sentence for Shadur Sanders not to have been drafted.

(07:19):
But this draft, to me was interesting when I looked
at the first round, A few running backs and a
few quarterbacks. But this is not going to be a
draft I suspect where the rookie class is going to
really be amazing for Panini's final year as the NFL license.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, I think there's some sleepers in this draft, and
maybe not so much big names, Rich, but guys that
really kind of come on once the season starts and
you say, oh okay, especially on the receiver side. I
think that the receiver side of this is probably the strongest.
But I'm I'm a big fan of Ashton Genty. I
wouldn't have been disappointed if the Steelers, normally I don't

(07:57):
like taking running backs too early. It would have been
crushed had they made a move up to try to
get someone like Daddy went to the Raiders at six.
And I think you touched on it. I know you
touched on it when we were talking before we went live.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Rich.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I think Saquon Barkley has sort of opened the door
back up for teams like to consider taking running backs
the highest places. We kind of had that five to
six years, maybe even longer, where running backs became an
afterthought even as free agents, they weren't getting big contract
to the point that Ugion was even like publicly, you know,

(08:32):
exclaiming their displeasure and that this is troublesome. And now
we're seeing a little bit kind of a turning back around.
Not fully yet, but at least the start is there.
I mean, in some draft there was no running backs
taken in the first round. I think we had two
this year so in the first and then a bunch
more since those first two. So I think the running

(08:55):
backs making a comeback. Why, I think we saw right,
we saw an Eagles, you know, Chiefs matchup where myself
included thought the Chiefs would win because of the magic
of my homes We're gonna talk about him here in
a little bit later as well. But what do we
see that that Saquon Barkley took the Eagles? Well, that
was the missing piece they lost the previous Super Bowl

(09:17):
they were in, but they controlled the clock with the
run game, they scored a bunch.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Of points and they blew the doors off the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Surprisingly, I'm not surprised that the Eagles won, But in
the fashion they did.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
I think people saw that game.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Obviously everyone who's not in the game in the NFL
watched the game or the majority had said, hey, you
get a you got a game changing running back.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
You that changes the whole outlook on.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
What you can do. So if if a running back
is viewed that way, like Genty in this year's case
in Amarion Hampton and Maar Hampton, I think you're gonna
get picked earlier. So that's sort of kind of reversing
the trend we've and seeing.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
With your door. I just I notice probably people didn't even.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Put him on their draft board, guys, just because what
you said, Orlando, the stuff you get with it. His
dad probably making comments at press conferences about NFL team
that who has who has him?

Speaker 3 (10:18):
I get that. And he may not be the best quarterback.
You said that too. Cam Ward is rated.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
On most people's boards the number one quarterback, but even
he has some some holes. If you know, is it
just not the best quarterback class next year, at least
on paper shaping up to be better. Maybe teams are
just like sort of punning this year and saying we'll
wait till next year when there's more to select from

(10:44):
but with Shador like even the talent.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Like, how do you not get picked at this point?

Speaker 1 (10:50):
And you know, am I thinking he's the next you know,
Patrick Mahomes. No, but when you're a team that needs
a quarterback aka the Steelers, the Giants, the Browns not
anymore because they wound up picking someone not named shit.
But the fact that he slid this far. There's even
the analyst on the draft telecast said, I don't know

(11:11):
what to say. For one of the few times in
my life, I don't know. There may be even something
we don't know about guys. Maybe Deon Sanders called some
of these teams because of his status and being an
NFL Hall of Famer and called some of these gms
and said, hey, you know, don't draft my son or
do draft my son, and well, this is the number

(11:33):
we want. Maybe he's meddling too much and teams are like,
we didn't even draft the kid, and this guy's calling us,
and then we draft him.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
We're gonna get phone.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Calls every day from Diana about how we're handling his
son now that he's on the roster.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
So I wonder if that's a little bit of that
going on.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Guys, I mean, what do you what do you think
you think people are just like we don't. We don't
think he's great. I may not be terrible. Well, we
don't think he's great.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
He's not great enough all the stuff that comes along
with John.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
One thing is, remember the NFL has a rookie salary structure,
so he can't call to say, hey, you got to
pay him more. Where you get drafted is what you
get paid. So that that But you're right.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
He might true, but he could still call and say
he could call the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
He could call Omark.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
On the Steelers GM and say, hey, he's better than
Mason Rudolph and Skylar Thompson who you have on the roster.
He is, he is, But a GM doesn't want a
dad call in and tell him your dad out. Maybe
he even said, maybe even said of you, you know,
you could sign Aaron Rodgers, but my boy's even better

(12:45):
than him.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Your time there, and maybe he's doing stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well, the Cowboy, I'm surprised. I'm more surprised the Cowboys
haven't gotten him yet. I suspect that if nobody else
takes them, the Cowboys will. Dion and Jerry Jones have
a pretty good relationships, so I don't and Jerry Jones
love star Power, so I'm a little surprised that they
didn't take them. I know, you're spending all that money
on Dak Prescott, but there's going to come a time

(13:10):
where you want a replacement and because you don't want
to spend sixty million on Dak and the biggest bargain
for NFL teams. And this is like with all the
salaries NFL people have, but one of the secrets for
a lot of NFL teams is building a team when
you have a quarterback on the rookie contract. Because once
you have a quarterback on the rookie contract, that's good.
That gives you four or five years to really build

(13:33):
a team around. And if you notice, a lot of
the quarterbacks get good really quickly. The game is very
different now than it was from you know, John, you're
definitely the oldest among us, so even when you were
growing up the game because the game is very different
between college and the pros.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Here's go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
Yeah, there's a huge difference between the college and the pros.
And you know, I think Tony tj Online just said
a good comment on there said that probably has a
bad attitude, you know, maybe that's what it is. So
and the way I'm looking at if I'm going to
draft somebody that has some may not be my starting
quarterback right away. I mean I'm looking at maybe drafting

(14:13):
you know, right wide receiver or a great tight end
at a recent tight ends being drafted this this draft
versus others, you know, and the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Seem to be falling and falling. I don't really don't
really a sure thing in this draft.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
Now you never know, like Rid is saying, Tom Brady
and all these guys. But I mean, is there someone
there that could be a sleeper? I just I don't
see a quarterback that really can come on and really
be a big star in this particular draft.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Even cam Ward, I think, yeah, that's a good point.
In Alana, you know, my sailors didn't take your door.
I'm going to be a homer here. I'm a season
ticket holder, and I watched this guy obviously every game
at home, and then I watched the road games on TV.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Had really one bad.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Game in Pittsburgh, but an incredible year in acc And
that's my guy. Kyle McCord at Syracue I'm surprised some
of these guys that actually even went ahead of him.
I'm not, you know, saying he has the name of
Shador Sanders, but he got a great combine. By all accounts,
he broke acc records. If my Steelers wind up taking
him here sometime today in whatever round, I'm not gonna

(15:20):
be that crushed about it, because I think I'm not
saying he's Tom Brady, but he might. You know, you
gotta take a chance, right, You got to try to
get a guy. If you take him later, it hurts
a lot less. They don't paint out. You made a
point in Lando. Excuse me, but you know you said
about maybe they're viewing Shador as a backup quarterback at

(15:42):
this point, and are you gonna take him knowing that
maybe Dad's gonna be on the phone, like why ain't
you playing my boy? Why is my boy on the
bench or the guy you're start and can't hold a.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Candle to Shador? What are you doing? And maybe they
just like, you know, I don't need that, like he's
the only guy, he's the only quarterback that's Dad is
gonna be able to like patch their way and get
their call in here right, and I don't. I don't
want to deal with that.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
And there's other quarterbacks and this quarterback class next year
is bigger.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
So maybe you know, maybe.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Dian as crazy as it sounds, kind of hurt and
you and and and shador himself.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
By all accounts, we're not in the room, guys.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
But a lot of his interviews, a lot of people
didn't like anonymous sources didn't put their name on it,
but said he was cocky, brash, very full of himself.
And maybe teams are saying, man, he hasn't even thrown
a pass in the NFL, and he's like this, now,
what are we What are we getting ourselves into if
we take this guy? So I just think they probably
didn't represent them well. But this drop is you know,

(16:48):
we thought the Aaron Rodgers dropped during his draft, Remember
that was bad and they kept showing him in the
green room. Uh, And I felt terrible for him, Not
as much now turning out he is you know, maybe
you know, this is the worst draft, the worst drop
I've ever seen as far as where someone was raided.

(17:08):
There was people that not a ton, but there was
people said he should have been the first pick in
this draft.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Overcam war. Now I don't agree with that, but some
analytics said that.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
And here we are in the hundreds and he's still
in his draft room at home that he built. Add
that to the you know whatever you want to call
brash uh list. So this is the weirdest draft I've
ever seen, not just on the SR door but even
some of the other stuff. I knew something was up
went besides the slide when Dylan Gabriel gets drafted by

(17:40):
the Browns ahead of Shador Sanders, and Dylan Gabriel is
you know, probably now he's gonna probably become the next
time Braid Tom Brady after Dylan gil Gabriel is a
questionable backup in this league, and yet the Browns made
him their first quarterback they took this year. So that's
I mean, anyone that says Dylan Gabriels better than Shoder

(18:02):
Sanders didn't watch any college teams, so they just don't want.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
No one wants to touch this guy.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
And it's I'm I get it, but I'm shocked at
no one's taking a chance at this far down to
the draft book.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
You know, Like I was talking with my son watching
the draft. Even if I had a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
He's just such a value at this it's almost worth
just taking them, whether he could trade him or you know,
just say, hey, well you know he's just too too
high of a draft pick to still be on this board.
Let's take him and see what we got. But no one,
no one wants to pull the trigger, kind of going,
kind of cloth. How do you think this affects his

(18:40):
cardboard prices and chrome prices? Uh, not even so much prices,
but demand we see gms are sort of you know,
don't want to deal with them.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Do you think collectors say, hey, maybe maybe I shouldn't
be buying should do her cards. Gms don't want him
because they don't think he's good or worth the Maybe
I shouldn't be spending my heart or in mind, I'm
buying some stuff and putting it away and sitting. What
do you guys think?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Eventually the results are the answer. But to start it, well,
some people may even look and say, look how far
he dropped. It's a good bargain. It's a good play
to be counterintuitive to say I want to buy these cards,
so I don't think it'll drop as much as you
think they will. Obviously, cam War cards will be the

(19:26):
hot cards coming out this year, and just wait for
the finatic and I'm going to say this because it's
happened the last couple of years, wait for the Fanatics
announcement that he's a Fanatics exclusive, because you know, if
they had the last two years, they've taken all the
number one, all the first round quarterbacks. I think there's
been one or two exceptions JJ McCarthy and I think
Quentin Richardson the year before that. But usually they're trying

(19:47):
to get exclusives on the first round quarterbacks. So I
would expect them to try that again this year and
we'll see where it goes. But it's certainly not in
conceived that he might be one of the especially if
he signs cards and the other two don't, he could
be the most expensive card to start some of you know,

(20:07):
wherever he falls to, you know, it happens, and he
is a good at this point, he is a good value.
He's in the fourth round. It's a good value.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's a good you you you pick him
here and he turns out the flame out and be
a bus what you know, it doesn't hurt as bad.
Had you take you had the Steelers taking him at
twenty one, which I thought they might do. Now you
take them, you're playing with house money, because you could say, hey,
we took a flyer, he's a first round grade.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
We got him in the.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Fourth, fifth, sixth round and it didn't work out, but
we took we took a shot.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
And remember you're paying less money. Yeah, and you still
have the rookie contract. If he pans out, you've got
yourself a super bargain.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
That really you know that that will enable you to
get not necessarily an All pro or free agent, but
that will enable you to really get another quality player
or pay extra money to a couple of your better
players during the length of that contract. It's a great
play on several reasons. And that's why I'm saying he
could very well still be the most believe it or not,

(21:14):
the most expensive card out of the packs, depending on
how things fall. By the way, my Giants also traded
up to get a quarterback in the first round.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, they're act dark who A lot of people like it,
and then some people think he's the best quarterback in
this draft, and that's why.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
They trade it up for him. And again, that's a
good value for the Giants. Figured that's a good value.
I always like Daniel Jones. That didn't quite work out,
but Daniel Jones has some upside to still. But you know,
one of the things to remember is drafts are drafts.
You can I mean, they're better, but things still happen.
Undrafted free agents can still become stars in the NFL.

(21:52):
I mean, in my lifetime, Tony Romo is doing the games,
is the number one commentator for CBS, and he was
an undrafted guy out of college and he got a
mega contract eventually. So again, it happens. It's never a
guarantee either way. Yes, more attention is paid to the

(22:13):
first rounders because you've invested more money in them, but
it's never a guarantee. People get hurt. Football is a
violent game. It's a physical game.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yep. Yeah, let's get some comments and will kind of
close this topic out for the day and let the
draft kind of speak for itself here in a couple hours.
TJ says support quarterback class in general. I agree.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
I think that's sort of a part of the reason too.
A good point here, I think by John Williams, no
player wants garbage in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
That the smell gets on everyone.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I think that some of the teams are scared of
what maybe a player like that can do in that
locker room. Tony says, McCord graduated from my son's ice,
great kid and nice attitude.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
The Steelers take them, I won't be that disappointed about it.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Let's see, I don't think the Stuke said, I don't
think Dan as bad as LeVar Ball. Guess what, I
agree LeVar Ball, but he takes the cake for Helicopter Dad.
But Dias in that discussion. Uh you know what I mean,
so uh you know, uh uh not Funny says uh

(23:22):
basically chaudeurs now and back up territory.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah, I got I gotta agree with all that. I
really agree completely with what Rich is saying.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
You know, I mean, this is the time probably to
draft him now. I mean you can't lose. Yeah, You're
gonna pay him a low amount and the upside is
going to be you know, as far as his cards, well,
we all know that the desirable players are the quarterbacks.
So I think no matter what, his cards are gonna
be valuable. You know, just like you know campboards, all
the quarterback cards are really what people go after first,

(23:52):
and I think you know that whether he's drafted, you know,
whatever round gonna be desirable.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
I think all the.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
Quarterbacks cards will be the ones that are going to
be hyped. So I think that that's gonna really really
help out. But again, he's gonna have to prove himself eventually.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
If he doesn't prove himself, he's gonna be another you know,
Trey Lance or like that.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, it's a great point too, is is right?

Speaker 1 (24:13):
A quarterback cards are always valuable, right I e. Ryan
Leaf remember them against Peyton Manning. People were buying and
putting away Ryan Leaf carts thinking he was the better
of those two quarterbacks, and then when it becomes a
parent y'or not, then they make their way into the
dollar boxes at your favorite show. So initially, I don't

(24:36):
think it's a good point in Land. I think people
are still going to phony up some bucks and buy
these quarterback cards.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
And then when it's when the the verdict really comes
in that.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
He's not what maybe we thought he might be, you'll
see them, you know, sold for pennies on the dollar
just to get rid of them. So the draft, you know,
this draft is hurting his stock more in real time
then probably a hobby time. I'm sure there'll be some effect.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I know.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Ziggy asked, whoever team drafts on what you know, is
that price going to be lower now if you buy
into a break and you buy that team, You know,
if I think Rich would say probably not because people
are still gonna want the Chardere all the shador Sanders
out of that break, right, whether it's the case break,
half a case, three boxes, or whatever.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
The case may be.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
So, you know, quarterbacks that very few are like locks.
You even said, right, caim Ward could could be Tennessee
could Look, they drafted Will Levis what two years ago,
and they're already moved on from him and drafted cam Ward.
Two years from now, Tennessee could be drafted a quarterback
to replace cam Ward. So there's very few guys that

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are like, no doubters. It's just they're just given grades
and ratings and whatnot. Tom McCord might be, you know,
five years from now, we might be saying he's the
best quarterback from the twenty twenty five class.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
I'm not predicting that, but it might be.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
And what my, it's such a bad class that might
not even be saying much maybe he's just sort of
a spot starter and he's the only one spot starting
everyone else out of the league or you know, second
or third string. So it's it's crazy, but it's been
the weirdest, the weirdest draft. Guys saying, I'll be watching
it today because I my Steelers are going to take

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a quarterbacks?

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Who's it going to be?

Speaker 1 (26:30):
And if they if your door is still on their
board here with their later picks and they don't take
them with that quarterback room the way it is, you know,
I saw Keyj's coming about the Browns. Like I said,
taking Gabriel over Sanders speaks volumes, right, If the Steelers
don't take him today, if he's still on the board
and when their picks come.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Up, that's that's very telling. It's already been telling, but
even even more so.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Guys, all right, let's stay well, stay with football here.
And Patrick Mahomes signed a deal with for autographs with Panini.
Uh So, I didn't know how long this was, but
Rich told me it's only good until they lose their license.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
We're ready, you want to like try many?

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, So I read and I'm and if I remember correctly,
according to what and I'm just double checked. I mean,
AI is not perfect. Patrick, I'm going to read this,
Patrick Mahomes. Panini contract on Panini's overall license expire on
March thirty first, twenty twenty six, and I believe there

(27:41):
are other players as well. I think Travis Hunter and
Shade schadur standard speaking of them, by the way, I
think Travis Hunter coming out will be the most expensive
player in the pools all their all their autograph contracts
expire March thirty first, twenty twenty six, just the day

(28:02):
the Panini contract ends and Fanatics Tops becomes the NFL licensee.
Therefore is it year. So it's a one year deal
and that's fine. I mean, it'll be good to have
good autographs in the pack. I mean that's one of
the complaints we've heard about the Panini products the last
couple of years that, because of as I pointed out earlier,

(28:23):
Fanatics gobbling up the first round quarterbacks, the autographs out
of the rookie autographs out of the packs have not
been as good as they could have it had been
previously not as good as they could have been. So
this at least will get some interest into the Panini
packs and you know, for the NFL and the NFLPA,

(28:45):
having good players signing autographs in the Panini products this
year is a win because for the PA, they want
to make more money. Let's be honest, and having better
players signing this year makes them more money. It makes
the products more palatable for people buying, for people breaking,
for people collecting, or for people who just want to

(29:06):
buy a pack going to their local store like I
do and buy an occasional pack.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
It's so, let me go ahead, let me ask you this, guys.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
This being a one year deal, right, Mahomes is not
going to be a cheap contract. They're paying the millions
for this one year deal. Might we see which I
don't know if it's a good or bad thing. Just
a ton of Mahomes autographs come out of Panin products
for one year. In other words, if if there was
a year to buy Panini products or the best chance

(29:34):
to get a Mahomes autograph odds, would this be the
year you think they do that, being they only have
one year to do it, you know, to shoot up
a bunch of shots out of the way out the
door and leave sort of with people having a good
taste in their mouth. About Panini with the hopes that
someday and at least in their mind that they might

(29:55):
do license football year many moons later, like are we
going to see a ton of Mahomes autos or not
necessarily or you know, but they are they if you
read it, that did say they're gonna do some special products,
which I think it'll be like sort of like almost
Mahomes like Tops does with like certain players.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Where it's you know, the judge back. I think Panini's
gonna do that Mahomes. Well, what do you think, guys?

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Might we see maybe more Mahomes autos in the market coming.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Out of pack?

Speaker 5 (30:27):
I mean for sure they're not gonna pay all this
money and not have Mahomes signed as much as he
possibly can signed. You know, that's what they're gonna look
for because they want to get their moneys out of
the product and make as many products, as much product
as possible. My biggest concern I think is are these
good card autographs and it be you know, just sticker autographs.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
And I think that's gonna be a big thing for
for Panini.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
You know, people don't like and they're turning away from
the you know, the sticker autographs. So I think Panini's
gonna have to try to get Mahomes to do on
card autograph. I think that'll create even a bigger demand
because personally I hate the sticker autographs.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
What do you think of that? Rich? Do you think
they're gonna do?

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Ziggy made a really good point in his comments that
they're paying per autograph, and so they you know, they're
going to pay for autographs, So I think they'll be
selective with Viggi's comment and I thought that was a
really good comment.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Where do you.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Think you think the cut? And it might be I
don't know, I don't know. They don't they don't give
you those terms. But so you think it might be, Hey,
it's a thousand autos for a million dollars something like that.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
I'm just making up number.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, but John, I agree with your general concept. The
concept is very much you will sign X number of
autographs at X dollars per autograph this year. That is
the contract that usually is the contract for the star
and superstar players with the autograph contracts. The I'm gonna

(31:57):
use the word the lesser players. You have to be
a great player to get into any the NFL. The NBA,
the major leagues. You really do have to be a
great player. But if you're a what we call a
common player in our in our parlance, you are happier
to sign because you don't have as many opportunities to sign. Therefore,

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you don't necessarily take as much money and you don't
necessarily have caps as to how much you sign. So yes,
there's probably certain parameters in the contract of any name
players as to how much they get and how many
autographs they signed.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, I ZIGGI asked, you know, or someone asked his stickers,
or you did early, and I think it's ZIGGI said,
he'll be both. I think you'll you'll get both. I
think when they can catch up to them, they'll have
them doing on card. But you know, you know football
is and all your thing with training in the off season,
So I think when the opportunity presents itself, when they

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can sit down with him and them sign some stuff,
they'll be on card. And I think other times they'll
be sending it to his be sending some to his
steam stickers and say sign these and get them back
and you'll find those on cards. So I think it'll
be I think it'll be both, which one is more,
it remains to be seen. Well, I'm just curious if
we're gonna see more mahomes autos come out in twenty

(33:16):
twenty five, twenty six than we've had in previous products.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
It ends if they have any if they have if
they have any lying around. If they do, you might,
but if they don't, you won't. I mean, and you
have to keep a few in reserve any way for
a car that comes damaged out of the pack, So
you won't, you know, if there's a I'm just gonna
use like you would say, round numbers if he if
he has a contract to sign a thousand items, you

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might only put nine hundred and fifty into the packs
and say fifty for people that say, my card got
damaged in the pack, which does happen, you know, shipping
things happen. You're you know, you don't not every You
can't go to the printing press and get the card
from the printing press directly. That would kind of be
not good for several reasons, including theft. You could spend

(34:02):
some time going bye bye for that. And that's a
teaser for what we think should have been our final topic.
But it's certainly something to consider that hell sign x
amount and then a product like National Treasures for Panini
or whatever. They're super high end, they will be on card.
But if you put some into the Don Russ brand,

(34:24):
which is they're really their base brand, it'll be a
sticker Audobra probably.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
A couple a couple of comments here before we move
on to the next topic, and there's some good ones.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
That's a good one from Mike Michael. The players are
more aware.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Of the hobby than any other time nailed at that
nails are right on the head with the players union
now involved, these players know exactly what's going on. They're
getting a bigger piece of the pie than any previous
time in hobby. I think there's a good aspect to that.
And then there's a I think it's a double edged sword.

(34:59):
I think it's good and bad.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Good good comment here from Ryan there's a collect article
suggestion why so many autographs are garbage today? More players
weren't talk cursive in way many requests by manufacturers. Yeah,
how many kind you?

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I want to say something about that. When I was
still a back, which is way back in the day.
Now it's almost twenty years since this article. It could
actually be twenty years since this article ran. And it
got prompted by a Vernond Morency autograph on the football card,
which was literally a Chaplin.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, we did an article.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
About the young kids of some of the Beckett employees
their signature versus signatures of players on cards. This has
been going on, not just today, but for at least
two or three decades now.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
And yeah, but it's gotten worth though.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
I will say that I'm not saying it didn't exist prior,
but it's it's it's become I hate to use the
word like epidemic.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
In terms of autograph.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
I can't tell you how many times now what you're
commonly see is the initials. So if I was signing
the card rather than me signing John Newman, you see
a Jane and N. And in some cases, like you said,
they just kind of blend in. You can't even tell
the individual initials.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
It's just it's so small but nothing. It's almost like
a scribble right in the car.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
And remember when you have a contract to sign. I
think there and I don't remember the player's name, but
there was some player, I believe, a major league player
who talked about the differences of how he signs autographs
depending on what the circumstances. You know, there are some
people in life who have beautiful signatures no matter what,
and there are other people who do shortcuts depending on

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these situations.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
And and and we're seeing like, how do we even
like JSA and Beckett and Steve Grid and all these
authentication how with that kind of auto how do you
even authenticate? They can't say they didn't sign it, and
you almost can't say they did because I could listen.
I'm not an autograph talent like Forger, but I think

(37:01):
I could replicate that because.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
It's remember JSA actually keeps a a I want to
say video, but they have a photo of every autograph
ever sent it. They have a monstrous you know, I'm
going to assume Beckett has a similar database. I'm going
to assume p s A DNA has a similar database
because they can do quick opinions. But I know from experience,

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JSA keeps everything. They keep a photo of everything.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
But we're not talking to Derek Jeter, Mariano rivera auto,
which is very intricate. We're talking about in some case
just a mark or initials. Orlando could could replicate that.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
But every mark, believe it or not, even the marks
have specific what every player does most of their marks
the same way. That's why there are penmanship experts. That's
why you know there are people who are qualified to
do that. And so you know, yes, I can't wait
for some of these people with their official documents someday

(38:04):
to be in court. And one of the differences is
used to have to write your name a lot. You
don't have to write your name very much anymore. I'm
going to go on a very quick tanagent and then
we go back to sports. My mother in law, who's
a little bit older, I had to take her to
the driver's license office yesterday. Unlike a lot of people
complaining about the DMV, it went very well. We we

(38:25):
got it through our appointment reasonably quickly. It was it
was a bit tedious, but we got through it. But
one of the things was she has to sign her
name and you had to go through the form. We
had a very courteous rep helping us, which was wonderful.
And I need to post this on Facebook. It's just
been a screwed a couple of days. But my point
was that you sign your name for your driver's license,

(38:46):
in this case her real ID, since she doesn't drive anymore,
and she still signs her names on various things. Oh,
I don't sign my name, I do our Kay, I
don't sign my name. The only time you'll get a
real what they what we used to call money signature
is like if I have to do something for a
driver's life or an official document. And I mean nowadays
you can't even write on some of these things there.
You know, you go and they give you this thing

(39:08):
to use your finger, and I can't do that either,
So don't necessarily blame the players there. You don't have
to sign as much nowadays your world. Yeah, you know
you can probably type your turn papers in school.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
On a computer.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Well you always did that, use the typewriter. But you
know you could probably bring a laptop in and sign something.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Well, me and Rich we use stone tablets and a chisel, remember, guys,
we used to I still do. I'm a dinostaur.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I think I've now written three checks in the last year.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
I think it's I write last checks than I ever did.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
But my rent on zel On Zell, It's like, Okay.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
The only time you're going to sign your fool thing
like that is going to be on a check or
a legal document, you know. And these young guys now
they don't write checks, say, they don't even have checkbooks.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Everything is all you know online, so they're not used
to that.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
And the other thing you gotta look at, John is
a lot of guys, you know, if you get them
in person, they sign their autograph in person, it's gonna
be like different than when they sit.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Down and do it, you know, with a little more time.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
And I've seen a lot of autographs that I've been
gotten in person gotta been rejected by jays because it's
either a quick scribble, it just doesn't match some of
those things sometimes and the and and the person saiding
the collectors, I got this in person, but it's still
different than the than.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
The regular autograph the guy does.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
And I'm gonna give you a different story the other way.
One of the people I used to work with it Beckett,
got a Frank Thomas autograph when he was still in
the minor leagues. It's a beautiful autograph. Frank doesn't sign
that way anymore, even though in person, because it was
too good.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I mean, players have changed how they signed from from
one error to the to the next, and I think,
like you're probably based on demand. You know, I will
stick up for the players in this regard. They just
don't teach cursive in school anymore. So I'll give you
an example. I'm I'm a teaching assistant at the high
school level, so I was curious. So we sort of

(41:15):
had uh some downtime and we had the freshman in
my room and I handed out an index card.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
We have seven freshmen in our group that that I teach.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
I gave each one of those seven kids an index
card in the pen, and I said, sign your name
and I'll come back around and collecting.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Came back around, collected them.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Six of those in the index cards had their name
just printed, you know, just written normally.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Not one was semi cursive. It was like an attempt.
I wouldn't even call it cursive.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
It was like they really weren't top, but they knew
what cursive matt, and they tried to do it.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
We're just not teaching it anymore.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
At the at the low you know, at you get
to high you get to high school, you either.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Know it or you don't. We don't necessarily teach it.
Although I'd never if a kid came to me and said,
mister Newman, can you teach me cursive? Would would or.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Would try, right, but we're not doing that anymore. So
we're losing that, and so that that's going to be
the trend, right when when these young people become athletes,
their their signatures are going to represent the fact that
they don't don't they don't know how to sign cursive.
Either that or they'll learn because then they become athletes

(42:28):
where their signatures are in demand. But it's gotten worse
rather than it's always. Like Bridge said, it's always been
an issue. It's to some degree or another, but now
it's even a bigger issue, if you want to call.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
It, mister Newman, to be honest, don't you and I'm
because my wife does the same thing, don't Aren't you
a teacher's assistance for special ed?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, okay, that that has you know, my wife teaches
special ed, so I hear the stories and it's harder
sometimes for special ed kids to do anything. They may
you might have to have to give an example on
the blackboard, if they're still a blackboard in your school,
or the white or the whiteboard. The difference between printing
and cursive because they might not know the difference, and

(43:13):
because they're not taught that is, you are correct, they're
not taught that because there's no need to teach that,
so you might actually.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Have I still, you know, I posted just posted that comment.
I still like it to be taught. You don't have
to spend a ton of time. What if you spent
five ten minutes each school day until you felt like
someone had it down? So they have it in their
tool bell, right, I'm not saying they maybe use it
a lot, but it's a nice tool to have in
your tool belt to be able to write in cursive,

(43:42):
whether he is sign checks or or not write even
just a penel letter if you're you know again, who
pens letters anymore?

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Man? Because I still do it? Yees do it?

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I mean I imagine John and Orlando who ship out stuff.
I don't really ship out. But if you ship that stuff,
even a thank you and you and you sign your
name is a letter nowadays, right, And that's a courtesy
letter to you know, a personal touch is good.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
You know, well, think about this, John and Rich I've
see kids right now that do not even know how
to read cursive, not just write. They can't read something
in cursive, and I've seen that. One of my my friends, Ryan,
for Breakout Cards, he he had a letter that was
written cursive and he could barely read it.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
You had trouble reading it. And this is a guy,
you know, college.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Ryan's a smart guy. It's not it's not an intelligence that.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
They're not used to reading or writing in cursive, because
it's just not todd and they don't grow up.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
That way like we did. You know, we we had
a let pages.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
We had to sign our name and write them cursive,
repeating it over and over and over until we got
it right.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
And nowadays they can't eat the cursive writing. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, a couple of thanks, a couple of comments here, guys.
You know, I think he says he's not against it,
just more of a lost art. It is in cursive
is a lost start. I'm glad I have that art
or skill if if you will. Lauren makes a nice
common here. I don't typically use trigonometry, but they make
me take it a four year right algebra.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Algebra is a famous version of math. Right, we teach
geometry actually matters.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I never drive a card.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Well, let's be real unless you're like an architect or
you know, a math professor, you're not going to probably
use that form of math.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Do you know if you think about a geometry, then
the other stuff it actually does matter because you drive.
You have to know how to park a car and
do things, so there actually is a reason to take
You don't realize that the geometry helps you drive. Algebra
trig on the other handed, calculus.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Yeah, but it's crazy because even at cards kids nowadays,
you go to the card shows and they're doing deal and.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
They bought three cars. You got to use their calculator
to figure out how much it is. They can't even
the price of the three cars they're buying, you know,
eight or whatever dollars, and they can't do it. They
have to bring out their phone and do it that way.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
So I just say, and ziggy, as I pointed out,
my wife teaches special edit. I hear the stories. I
was just pointed out how difficult it is for some
of these students to follow instruction. I mean, I hear
about special ed kids every day. So I jis commended
for the work he does on that I enjoy. This

(46:32):
is not an insult to special ed kids. They have
special needs and it's harder for them to comprehend and
do things. And that's that's just a stated fact. That's
that's unfortunately part of part of life.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, real quick, I appreciate some of the nice comments
about me.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
I love it. I enjoy it. My only regret as
I actually just didn't do it sooner than I did.
I'm on my fourth year. I will be starting my
fifth year next year. I love it. The kids are great.
A little bit the group I'm involved.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
With just for full transparency, a little higher a lot
higher functioning. We teach algebra, we teach world history. A
lot of their issues are a little autism coping mechanisms,
you know, can only handle so much strown at him.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
That's sort you know. But we have our moments. Sometimes
we have to clear a room and.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
That sort of thing, and and it's it's not always easy,
but it's uh.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Every day I drive to work and I'm looking forward
to getting uh. So I really uh, you know, I
do enjoy it. And I learned things from the kids
as much as maybe they learn from me. So uh
and uh, I really do appreciate what I again, thank
you for the coming.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Speaking of special ed I think we'll go to our
final topic of somebody who probably should have been special
ed when he was a young person.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
All right, guys, I don't have I don't have a
graphic uh for this, but I wanted to. I hate
to story and I hate that we have to talk
about it, but I think it's it's we do and
you know whatnot. We know one of the backyard breakers, Grant,
and I don't even like giving them the publicity this

(48:14):
will get them, but I won't even.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Mention the breaking outfit.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
You know people mostly know, so no free pub for
the breaking outfit. But one of those guys, Grant, who
said some really bad comments to about a young being
a young lady that was obviously off putting, in brutal,
no other way to put it. He was suspended. It
took took a little bit longer than I would have

(48:41):
liked to see.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
But they did suspend him.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Well he's back now, eighty three days later and full again.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
I'm a very try to be very transparent.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
I didn't use what not before that had I been,
I would have stopped, So I don't use him now.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Obviously I don't want you look at my phone.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
You will not find the whatnot app on it because
I don't have a need for it. But if I
was a what nott user when this happened, I would
have probably waited to see what their response was, and
if they were slow, I just say, listen, if I
was buying the brakes or buying cards, there's plenty other
fishing to see, so to speak, plenty of other platforms

(49:22):
I can give my money too. But I think what
this goes to show you, and I'll let you guys talk,
is it's money over morals?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Right? You know?

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Whatnot says, Oh, the hobby will forget, the hobby will forgive,
the hobby won't care in the grand scheme of things. Listen,
he's a personality that just draw people in, and we're
gonna pick that over doing the right thing because this right.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
And I just.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Thought to myself, I'm being critical of Whatnot? But what
company is there company out there? And you know Rich
has been around a while, Orlando, I have, is there
company that would pick morals over doing the right thing
over money over financial Again, I don't.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I don't want to necessarily say they're moral, but both
Orlando and I listen almost every morning to our mutual
hobby friend. Both Spencer Thomas and Hobby Evolution, a former
hobby have a hobby hopline host himself and bo is
doing now eBay Live. I've listened to them all. He's
he because of his radio background. He's got he's got

(50:28):
the cadence, he's got the rhythm. Within four or five shows,
see the last one I listened to was dead on.
He had he had the cadence and the rhythm. But
their eBay Live is hand selecting the people to go
on then, you know, at least to ramp it up.
They are taking their sweet time to move it from
beta to alpha, so to speak. And they're picking and

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choosing very carefully whom they want to represent their brand.
They're doing out boarding, they're doing onboarding, they're checking everybody's references.
They're doing the the right way. I suspect if I
gave what not a million dollars, they just let me on.
And this is not an insult. Well, that is they
are a business. They are in business to make money.
eBay wants to go slower on that. There is nothing

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wrong with what eBay is doing. In fact, that is
probably the right way to build a business. Do it slowly,
start with people you trust, Start with people with good reputations.
My employer, COMC is on doing eBay Lott's and they're
they're doing very well with it. You want and they're
because they're building. There's a local card store.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
I know.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
R J. Duke's Ryan is on eBay line. They have
so far built a very good platform. I'm not necessarily
saying they're the only one, but that's the major difference
I see between them and Whatnot at this point is
eBay is making sure they're building block by block and
they're getting quality people to do it. And by the way,
congratulations to Bow. He is moving his medicine card show

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to a new upgraded location from the hotel, and I
suspect the show will all be in one locations that
are separate floor, the separate balls going forward. But that's
a different subject for a different day. But that's that's
really the point I wanted to make you have the
way eBay's doing it, which is building it blocked by block,
and the way what Not's doing it, which basically lets
everybody on. Most people are good, but every once in

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a while you get somebody who goes off the rail
and there's supposedly morals, clauses and whatnot that say this,
this should never run, this should have gone away.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah, one come one cop hang on land, And I
want to respond to this comment from UH five foulball
or foul foulball says uh bash on what Not because
you don't use it or sell on it. I can
only speak for myself here, foulball. Even if I had
been using Whatnot and they allowed him back on.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
I would have stopped using what I would have deleted
the app. I would have deactivated or closed my account
and done business elsewhere. So I just happened to not
be using it already.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
But even if I wasn't active user, my stance and
position would not would not fluctuate. I would I would
not be a user any longer had I been prior so,
And I'm not bashing.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
So I don't do any harline buying.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
Yeah, I agree with John one hundred percent, you know,
And I really think that Grant was.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
One more comment. I got it. I don't get back
real quick.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
I think if Grant was just a regular Joe blow
on there and not their biggest one of their biggest breakers,
I think it was it was just a guy like
Joe blow anybody, I think it would have gotten rid
of that guy. But because it's Grant, because he's bringing
in so much money and he's one of the biggest
breakers and whatnot, I think that's why they allowed him
to continue.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
So foul Ball says, if you don't use it, how
do you know what's going on? There's a thing, it's
twenty twenty five. It's a thing called video and replay
and social media where people actually put what he did
and said on it.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
So I didn't see it live. So if I don't
watch it live, so it doesn't so it doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
If I don't see it when he said it, it
means he didn't say it. Is just like the if
the he falls in the woods and no one's around
to hear it. You can't go look in the woods
and see the tree that fell down. Like, No, I
didn't see it when he said it, uh, but I
saw it afterwards.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
That's that's good enough with me. You know, if I
leave a tape recorder in the house and call my
wife a bunch of mean names, it still counts, right.
She just hits play and then here's me like that's
one of the weirdest comments. I gotta ever we've seen
a hobby hotline? If you didn't, if you don't use it,
how do you know? You know? How do we know
where were you around? Uh?

Speaker 1 (54:33):
You know for the Hindenburg disaster or the JFK shooting.
We know those happened, right, I didn't see it. JFK
is still alive. He's ninety eight years old.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
He lives in Katee, Cot.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Like he'd be a hundred and eight now.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
All right, But that's why stay in school and take maks.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Okay, if we've filled out for the hour, I think
we've given this topic more than enough, more than enough time.
I have a car, try to go to. So let's rap,
let's let's listen.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Let me let me just say this too. If you
use what not and your user, whether before after continuing,
that's your business. That's your business, just like it's my
business to say I don't use it, and even if
I did, I would have stopped.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
That's that's my choice, right if you choose to use it.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
I'm not like it doesn't make you to any christ
I'm not you know, I'm not mad at you. I
might be mad at what not for allowing that conduct
to kind of happen, and then you know, give give
someone a pass. But that's not on you unless you
said that, which I'm assuming you didn't.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
So Michael Ziggy has Michael A. K. Ziggy has a
couple of really good points.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
We should we should Yeah, dad right, I think too.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Again, I don't want to make this a dad versus
You're not a dad thing, or a parent versus you're
not a parent thing. But does you know Michael said
I was launching what I decided not to write and
let me let me take the other ankle. If if
Ziggy would have said, you know what, I don't like
the comment. I don't stand for that, but I'm I'm

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doing my business. I don't believe in that. But I'm
a separate entity. You know, Ziggy no cards, A Ziggy
no card is not this breaking outfit. I wouldn't be
mad at him for that. I might if I have
any access to what not for allowing that sort of
I don't want to say completely unscathed. There was a suspension,
but I don't think the punishment in the end fit

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the crime. So my my eyers towards whatnot not people
using whatnot right, that's your choice. That's your choice. My
choice is not. I didn't before. Had I been using,
I would have stopped. So and again somebody said, well,
that's easy to say when you're not here.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
It is.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
But I'm telling you the truth because I know what
I would have did. So that's all. I'm not anyone
that uses whatnot. I'll shake your hand if I see
you at the National if you know what I mean.
That has nothing to do with you. You didn't put
the words in someone else's mouth and say that I
just choose not to do business with a company that

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sort of almost condones that.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
That's what they didn't. They didn't eliminate this company to
spend them. They just suspended Grant. So all those they
were still breaking, they were still making.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Doing their normal thing. It was just Grant, wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yeah, yeah, And again it is not. You know, for me,
it's not a like, hey, don't use whatnot. It's like
it's a don't I'm not using whatnot?

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Do what do? Whatever? You feel right in your heart,
but you know to say to say, well you didn't
see it, it doesn't count. That won't not.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
In twenty twenty five, where I have I have six
cameras around my house, Like you can see me go
to the bathroom, don't John, I know I don't have.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
One in my bathroom just for people who think I'm weird.
But I was just a little embellishment there. Like, doesn't
whether you saw it when he said it live or
you saw it after the fact. It happened. It happened
he said it.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
You know, if I go to school and say something
off color and one of the kids goes home and
tells his parent, mister Newman said this, I was offended, right,
I might have to answer for that that parent files
the report. The parent wasn't there, right, But you know,
enough people saw it, it becomes a big deal.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
I could potentially lose my employment.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
So just cause you didn't see it doesn't mean it
didn't happen or it shouldn't be dealt with or accordingly.
So that's sort of a cop out answer to maybe
someone who likes whatnot. And again, I'm not even mad
at your foul boff, like you're a whatnot user. Knock yourself,
knock yourself out, have fun, get some deals. You know
you're transacting in the hobby, being an active hobby.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
If you're selling. I hope if you're selling, and you're
selling honestly, go for it. Be wonderful.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Yeah, and and and zink.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
It makes it another point, right, It's not one bad
guy in the hobby. He's not the only guy who
on something off color.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Right. It happens, right, Charlie Manson. I'm not saying we
give them the debt, but like they should, we have
to be responsible on what we say. I'll use I'll
use it.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I'll use one of my lines I wrote from Rich
Muller many years ago on Sports Collectors Daily, and I'm paraphrasing.
If I got sent up the river for ten years
and I came back with nineteen twenty one E xxx
the fan cards, of which four copies are known period,
and I came up with ten of them, one including
a Babe Ruth. You know what, The only question people

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would ask me is how much are they?

Speaker 3 (59:35):
How much?

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah, that's the only question they would ask. They wouldn't
care that I spent ten years in jail. They wouldn't
care that. All they care is, oh, this card is unique.
It's a Babe Ruth, it's legitim it's real. It's got
to be worth x zillions of dollars? How much do
you want for it? That's the only question they'd ask.
Pardon the pun in today's world, but stuff. Trump's all
and with that, let's wrap up this puppy.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
All right, all.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Right, hey guys everyone in the chat room.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
As always, we appreciate you and commentary to the show,
whether we agree with you or not, and vice versa,
whether you agree with us or not. Right, it's it's
fun to do on a Saturday morning, chop up a
little hobby. I was glad I got to do it
today with Rich in Orlando and you guys in the
chat room, you're listening to us, to us after the fact,

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just on audio.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
We appreciate you as well. Everybody, have a great way we.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Can, guys, Thank you, and as I saw Chris Harris
in the chat, so keep on rocking in the free
world and honor there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Let's see, let's see let's see where Chador goes today
or if you go today. All right, guys, take care, thanks, thanks,
Thanks Rich