Hollywood Weekly Ep. 15: Paradise Reactions and Star Wars Draft

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
That was an idea.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I felt like I was gonna spake. Yeah, I'm not
sure what to do with my hand.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
You have a part of my attention.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
You have the minimum amount. What name? Who are you steal?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Some men just want to watch the world.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
But let's see it drinking one percent? Is that because
you think you're fat?

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Let's rock, Let's rock today.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
No Jessman here today. We do have a friend, Nishan
sitting over there off to the side. He'll join us
in a few minutes. But gentlemen, boy, we have a
we actually have a pod show. Like we have a show,
first time since Black Sale.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Like, we're all watching together. We all talk about this together.
We had a lot coming up to that. But I'm
just so excited that we finally have a show. All
of us are watching live.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a good time. You guys forced
it on me, and I'm not ever gonna say that
I wasn't gonna do it. It just takes me a
little push to get into it. But I finally did
last two days and I did what I don't normally do.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
I binged it another day in paradise.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Please play if I'll call it song, Wait can't we
can't Paradise on Hulu. We're gonna talk a lot about
that here coming up in just a few minutes. Jackson Felts,
Christopher Kidd, anders Hurst. We are three sports radio producers
who finally have a podcast today I talk about something
other than sports. This is Hollywood Weekly, talking all things
movies and TV. We have our friend, as I mentioned,

(01:24):
Nichean over there. He'll be joining us for I think
a Star Wars conversation yare coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm not sure how we're gonna phrase it, but we
just want to, you know, loop in a conversation we've
had off the air here around the office over the
last couple of weeks or so. We'll kind of bring
in a whole Star Wars conversation in a little bit.
We'll obviously talk about what we've been watching, which for
all of us is Paradise on Hulu. I started this.

(01:50):
They released the first two episodes it feels like now
about a month ago, a little over a month ago,
and then after the first two episodes it became a
week by week release. Chris, I think I told you
about it in the third episode and you jumped on instantly.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
Yeah, because my Fianta mentioned it and I was like,
I don't know, and then you were talking about it,
and I was like, screw it, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
And then just this last week I pressure Jessman and
she binged the whole thing in less than twenty four hours,
which yes, is only seven episodes, but still, and then Anders,
we told you to do it, And over the last
three days you've run through the will you never binged things,
and you binged this I did.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
There's only even a few things that I've binged. It's Avatar,
the Last Airbender, It's God. I forget the other thing
that I binged, uh O, House of Cards and this one.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
So I think, as we open the conversation, what's first
say that for those who have not seen Paradise, this
is a show that centers around three main characters, a billionaire,
a secret service, the leader of the secret Service, and
the President of the United States. There is a murder
that takes place, and it's a part murder mystery, part

(02:57):
mystery on top of mystery, on top of mystery. That
is the most I can say before you watch episode one. Yep,
and I just right now we're a few minutes into
the podcast, I would say, everybody, please.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Pause this, pose it right, just pause it right now
if you're listening, and go go watch Paradise, because we're
gonna talk about it.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
This is spoiler and this is the the we needly
we get all three of us need to say, like
the spoiler alert all at the same time.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
And they two one spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Great. This is the spoiler alert for through episode seven
of Paradise. Episode seven came out. It comes out on
Mondays at nine. The season finale only had episodes, but
the season finale is next Monday at nine pm on Hulu.
So we are going to talk through episode seven. As

(03:47):
Anders just binched it. Chris and I have been going
week to week and for me right now, I'm telling
you guys that I thought this was a very good
show leading into episode seven, had some really nice twists,
some really really good episodes. It was, you know, probably
right around forty to thirty in my favorite TV show.

(04:08):
I didn't end up ranking it. But then after episode seven,
which is called in the again spoiler alert, it's called
the Day. The show very clearly is about them going
into a bunker after the world ends, or so we
think the day The seventh episode chronicles The Day the
World Ended, which is a super volcano going off underneath Antarctica,

(04:32):
spraying up ash into the air at a giant level
to cover the atmosphere and block out the sun. And
on top of which you create a three hundred to
five hundred foot tidle wave that goes from the South
Pole to the North Pole back and forth about what
twelve times and essentially puts the entire coasts across the
entire Earth underwater, and thus the world comes to an

(04:55):
end essentially. And it's about the president and billionaires and
the secret Service agent who's played by Sterling K. Brown
who go into a bunker in Colorado to survive the
end of the world. And episode seven, The Day chronicles
the Day the World Ended YouTube. I was running stuff

(05:16):
on the sports station YouTube. Just finished watching it a
few minutes ago. I consider episode seven to be one
of the finest episodes of TV I've ever seen. It
has bumped the show all the way up to number
seventeen all time on my favorite list. I think that
this show is absolutely spectacular in so many different ways. Now,
the question for you guys is did episode seven hit

(05:39):
as hard as I am pushing this on every single
other human in my life right now. It hit hard.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
I won't go that far because there's a lot of
good TV, but it's a really great show. I can't
take anything from it. I love how they in each
episode there is flashbacks, and those flashbacks correlate perfectly with
what is happening now, and once you it has you
asking for more and then they give you more, but
then they say hold up next episode. So I love
how they tease it. It's almost like great radio. Dare

(06:08):
I say?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
You know?

Speaker 5 (06:08):
It's just it's a really really good show. It's entertaining,
it's captivating. We all are in relationships. Both of you
guys are married, I'll be married, so it all hits
a little home. You're like, damn, what would I do
to sacrifice? I'm sure we all want to have kids
as well, so we don't have that stage yet, but
we've been in relationships to understand like, wow, like these
are monumental decisions that you need to make and you

(06:30):
have no time.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Calcates the TV and says you need to make decisions
about who you want to spend the time with.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Just talking about episode seven or are we doing the
whole thing.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
I think. I think we're doing the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
But in terms of my reaction episode seven, you you
sold it pretty high. I'm just gonna say it.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
You know I did.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
The way you put it on Twitter, the way you've
been mentioning it to me. You just have to get
episode seven. You have to get episode seven. Oh my god,
he's famous for Twitter man one hundred thousand views, man.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
I I it would be hard to live up to
those plaut its.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
I'd say it did a darn close job. If not,
it met it. I honestly just think the whole show.
I'm someone that views like Lord of the Rings as
like all of one movie. It's hard for me to
pick one moment or one specific movie and like try
and put it above the other ones. I just think
the whole show altogether is so dang good. It takes

(07:25):
a lot for me to binge something, but I've been
just like needing to watch it. I'm literally at my
workplace waiting for a podcast to start, and I go
into a studio and watch three straight episodes. You know,
That's that's how much I like the show right now.
It's how much I I love these types of shows.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
It's giving me.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
You know, I always kind of compare it to things
I compared in imitation game, or I will compare Oppenheimer.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, and that'll happen in the future. Yes, that will
happen in the future. Timeline jump, here we go.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Anyways, it's giving me massive West World vibes, especially West
World season one, which I think did an excellent job
of kind of just you have more questions than answers
after each episode, especially the first three or four episodes,
where you're like, what is going on here? Like it
keeps kind of building building building, asking more questions without
answering the first one that you had. Then five, six

(08:16):
and Stevens start to answer some questions, but then you
still are asking more questions at the same time. If
you're someone who likes murder mysteries, if you're someone that
likes post apocalyptic shows, if you're someone that likes sci fi, thrillers,
sci fi, like, there's something in this for everyone. Uh
and like it's the acting is fantastic, the score is fantastic,

(08:39):
the writing is fantastic, the cinematography is fantastic. There's very
few weak points in this entire show. It's it's definitely
jumping up the list for me.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
One of the we let's let's just get to the
weak point and before we kind of circle back, and
again this is all spoilers. And they introduce a character
in the first episode. In the first few episodes COG
named Agent Billy Pace, and he is a tremendously likable
and absolutely you can't help especially in the fourth episode,
which is of course by his name, Agent Billy Pace,

(09:12):
where you see his background and he goes to jail
for a long time because he kills his uncle. His
uncle's is saying, you must kill this dog. It's not
helping us anymore. And as a kid, he's given a
gun and instead of killing the dog, he kills his
uncle and he goes to jail. He comes out of
that as a you know, a strong person who enters
the kind of this. I wouldn't se even say military
but special ops unit.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Am I I am probably not, but I'm weird that
I am so relieved that he killed his uncle and
not the dog.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
And it makes you love his characters so much, Yes,
it does so instantly, and they've done other things to
make you love him. And he's great with kids and
Xavier's kids, who's played by Sterling K. Brown, the head
of the Secret Service, and ultimately they make you fall
in love with his character and he is killed at
the end of the episode named after him, episode four.
And I think one of the things that we can

(10:03):
criticize the show of is sometimes it's too easy to predict.
Where about ten minutes before he dies, he says to Xavier,
I'll tell you everything I know tomorrow. At that point
you're watching, you're just kind of like, yeah, you're gonna die,
because why would you say I'm gonna tell you everything tomorrow.
There's that, there's a few other examples. Sometimes I do
feel like it's too easy to predict.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
I yeah, I agree with that criticism, but I will
counter that point with I think the show does an
awesome job of playing with the line. It jumps timelines
a lot spoilers again. The President, one of the main characters,
James Marsden's character Cal Bradford, dies in the first episode

(10:46):
literally within the first five minutes of but he's in
the rest of the like the rest of the season,
so it it bounces between what happened before and what's
happening now a lot and not even just like two moments,
Like there's so many different in times like oh when
they just got in the bunker, or just before they
got in the bunker, or ten years before or twelve years.

(11:07):
But there's so many different timelines. So I think they
in a lot of ways do a really good job
of for people that do kind of get confused in
those kinds of the jumps, which I think would turn
a lot of people off. Normally, they make it really
obvious about where they are jumping, right, whether it's Sinatra's
hair being a lot longer and then her referring to

(11:29):
him as senator before he becomes president, like oh, okay,
I'm sorry to see. Oh your son's been dead for
a year now, like all that kind of stuff. So
I think it's important to make reveals like that about
where they are in the timeline pretty obvious. But then
maybe something that they haven't revealed yet that's supposed to
be this big thing they could do a little bit

(11:51):
less of.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
I feel you on that.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah, I'm out, Yeah, I see you, I see that.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
But I do like the obvious, for instance, Billy being
killed off, Yeah, because now we're getting unravel why because
there was a story behind it was just, oh, they
killed him off, we know why?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Well that was dumb.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
There was like there's depth to it, and now you're wondering, Okay,
well what did Billy know that he wanted to tell
his best friend who he basically probably knew this was
going to happen, Like he knew there's a chance he
could die for this, but he still wanted to tell him.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
But he literally goes to Sinatra and says, you're you're
coming after me, you better bring the biggest m RF
or you got like you're right.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Right, he did bring They did bring it. You know,
if you were like clueless, you all didn't know who
was going to be. I mean I figured out pretty quickly,
but it was I figured it would be her.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Here's the thing when when he says that we already
know he's going to die, and then he comes home
and she's just sitting there at the table. I thought
I had hints, but I had no reason to believe that.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
I was just like, ah, she could be. That was
a big, big thing.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, because because when she's at the table, you figure
it out pretty quick. Yes, before that, I was a speculating.
There was the girl with the dress the color so
in depth thing. Although when they mentioned I want to say,
an episode three, when they found out why the cameras
are off because they were playing we in my head,
I'm like, well, these two have something going on. I
didn't know it was mainly her and not Billy as much.

(13:16):
I thought both of them were in on it, And
then as the onion got killed away, it slowly became
how about the how about them speaking of that? The
misdirections because because that had Anderson, because he was like,
not the daughter. Because when when at the end of it,
at the end of that third episode, when the Kind
of You you reveal the sex scene with him with
Xavier and the therapist where she says.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Curious about seeing more of the Sashi. Yes, she has
a Netflix show called sex Life.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Thank you for that.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
She's two great seasons Body bang is. He was very
excited to know that it was her that was having
the affair with Xavier and that we would have extensive
cheated views of Okay, so hold on, can I get
something real quick?

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I was just gonna say about the mystres, but go again.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
I'm all kind of lead into that. Okay, So my
sort of experience in Unraveling the Billy and Jane ark Is,
I kind of early on suspecting Billy's kind of giving
me weird vibes. But then when they made it like obvious,
like oh, he said watch out for Billy, I started
like watching him super closely, and I'm like, hmm. And

(14:26):
then when he talked to Xavier saying like, dude, I
would never do that. I wouldn't. You guys are my family.
I literally said out loud to myself when he said that,
why do I believe him? Why do I believe that?
So I'm like, I totally yourself.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, And I'm like, I believe him like he's And
then he turned out to be that guy. Because what
you have is you have the scene where where she
tells him in the shower, you know, watch out for Billy.
And then what's the next shot? We see him outside
of Xavier's house with a gun, seriously looking at his daughter,
and it's like, oh, this dude is Trump. He's bad, right,
But that's a total misdirect see and another misdirect that

(15:04):
we I think based on the trailer for the final episode.
So I'm not sure if you picked up on this
and you've you've binged hard, so you really are connected
to this right now. And Chris, you'll remember as well,
is that when we first see the numbers on the
cigarette that we've now we now see that Cal took
a cigarette that the president when he was still alive

(15:25):
on his last day, which was a horrible day where
on his last day, he has his girl break up
with him, He has his secret agent tell them he
wishes he was dead. He has his son ghost him,
and he has his dad tell him you've never done
a thing and in your life that I haven't helped you.
With his son too, oh, his son did say that,
Oh god, it's just the he has the worst day,

(15:47):
the worst day. So what you see him right, eight
or six numbers, it's like eight one to two something
ninety two, yeah, on a cigarette and he in blood
has an X on the cigarette meant, of course like
X take these. So this cigarette that has the eight
numbers on it, the first time we see those six numbers,
the shot immediately shifts. Do you remember what this was?

(16:10):
The next shot after we see the numbers for the
first time, shows you the tail numbers of the Air
Force one plane in the hangar of the bunker, and
it's like it's trying to make you mentally connect these
six numbers to a tail number on a plane. But
then we watched the trailer for the final episode, and
also they've kind of hinted towards us, especially in the

(16:31):
cal centric episode where he's writing the numbers, that this
is not a plane number. It has something to do
with else entirely, and maybe like a library oriented thing
when he goes to make a mixtape in the library
and it's like there's a Dewey decimal code that it
could be correlating to. So it's misdirecting us thinking that
there's these little answers that are coming up. What do
these numbers mean? We're gonna show you something, and then

(16:52):
it's not at all related to that.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Well to the other things I noticed. Number one, each
of the house like addresses are six digits. I don't
know if that means anything. Well, that's interesting, Yeah, so
that could come up later. It never said those six digches,
but I noticed when they walked up to whether it
was Ex's house or someone else's, I saw on top
of the above the I don't pick up on that digit,

(17:15):
So that could be something coming up later again, it
could totally be just a misdirection and the total random.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Here's another thing that I just picked up on. I
just did my first full rewatch that I ended this morning.
And in the episode with Doctor Troby, the third episode,
uh there, it comes back from commercial Hulu and they're
in the middle of a conversation where just a very
quick line where he says, they say, we need more
Bunker babies, and then the conversation turns left turn and

(17:40):
never comes back to that again. They end up having sex. Well,
as we now know, Terry, his wife is alive. She
made it out because the bomb didn't hit Atlanta. Well,
let's get into that here in the middle. Let's give
him theories in a minute, okay. But what we have
is is she says this line about Bunker or he
says the line about Bunker babies. They end up having
sex very clearly. It looks like it looks like she's

(18:01):
going to be pregnant. But is that a misdirect because
now I'm doing what you did. You misdirect your own
brain exactly. It could be like, wait a second, that
can't be true.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
You have to go back to the cigarettes. Do you
remember on the night that he died, Cal was shaking
the cigarettes and was like, what's in here? Will kill me?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Will kill me?

Speaker 4 (18:22):
What do you think he means?

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well, I think, uh.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Then he writes on the cigarette with the numbers.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Is So how I interpret that is that what's the
numbers lead to somewhere where he where somebody can get
information about what's really going on the outside world. Wasn't
you know, hit by bombs whatever? And the information will
get him killed because Sinatra doesn't want the information getting
out to the public. That's how I know. How do you?

(18:48):
I'm sorry? I was he's just agreeing with you, saying
she did not want get out, thank you? Yes, yes, continue, Yeah,
but that's how I interpret that. But what do you think?
It clearly doesn't mean like cigarettes just yeah, there's something
deeper there. Maybe maybe it's another misdirection. Who knows, like honestly,
like I honestly don't. There's so many little moments. I
got my wife on it.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
So I watched episode one and then like half of
episode two, like the first scene. Uh, and then I
went to a pick of my wife this is yesterday,
and then I brought her in. It's like, hey, you
want to watch Paradise, like kind of saying that I
hadn't started. Oops. So I finally got her to start it.
So I rewatched episode one again and Okay, wait, now
I'm trying to remember what I was.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Because because yeah, you're we're talking about the misdirects and misdirecting.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Your own brains.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
But but I will, I will kind of loop it
around to something that we've talked about on our texts
throughout this whole thing, and that's Dan Fogelman, the show
writer and the show creator. And Dan Fogelman did This
as Us. He did Crazy Stupid Love. He's done a
lot of really good products, a lot of romance and
rom com type of stuff, uh, and emotional type.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Of things, maybe basic. It's like total different storylines all that.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
This is a very different product than Fogelman's ever done
in the sense of it it is sci fi murder mystery,
that kind of thing, and you know, post apoctalyptic inside
of all the rest of the stuff, and the job
that Dan Fogelman is doing on this show is probably
going to be remember as This is Us was a
good show, this might end up being his you know,

(20:22):
magnum opus. Considering that it seems like it's it's already
been greenlit for season two. And if this continues to
be Hulu's kind of, you know, big aircraft carrier of
a TV show, which it seems like it could be,
then Fogelman could be on his mark here being remembered
for this kind of a show. Allah. You know, we
remember obviously certain people for Game of Thrones, certain people

(20:45):
for Here to the certain people of that.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Right, So I'm just going through side note when me
talk about kind of better shows of all time, YadA, YadA, YadA.
One of the things that I've like, ratings wise, I'm
a pretty big Rotten Tomatoes guy for movies. I think
IMDb is a better indicator for shows because this, I
mean it's good. On Rotten Tomatoes, it has like eighty

(21:08):
two percent or something like that, But on IMDb it
has like an eight point five, which is extremely high
for them because like almost everything that's really really good
is in the sevens. And then they do each episode,
which one is rated.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Oh I'm interested to hear this good.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Let me go through each one. Okay, number one, while
cut is down eight point three. That's very high. Like
there are shows like there's only ten shows, I think
that haven't nine over nine overall.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
You said this earlier today, Yeah, I'll credit you with
this comment. Well, I don't know if you know where
I'm about what I'm about to say, but well, then
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Okay, it's not the lowest rated, but I think that
being the biggest twist is probably the weakest episode.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I think one. I agree with you. I felt I
think one might be the weakest.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
But I think that's a good thing because it needs
to set the groundwork for the show, Like, Okay, how
are we going to start this thing where we want
to just miss wrecked audiences everywhere but still have them
key in on what's actually happening. They toe this line
extremely well, and I'm trying to figure out my best
way to say it, but it makes you there's so

(22:12):
much going on, but almost everyone that watches it, I
feel I can still get it pretty easily.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, definitely. It's like it's such a satisfactory feeling and
the reveal at the end with the music and you know, yeah,
it's so good. It's the music. Also, the whole series
has been phenomenal. But anyway, go ahead. So Episode eight
point three eight point three Episode two Sinatra seven point seven. Wow,
it's my second favorite episode of the series.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Episode three, Architects of Social well Being my favorite episode,
got a seven point six Wow. Agent Billy Pace eight
point three. Again in the Palaces of Crowned Kings, five, six,
and seven all blend together from me because I just
watched them. Yeah, eight point two. You asked for miracles,
which is episode six eight point zero. Guess what episode
seven got?

Speaker 2 (22:56):
It should be It should be like a nine point
three to nine point four.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Nine point six. Yeah, it's extremely high. To put it
in perspective, the number one rated TV show on IMDb
is Breaking Bad and it has a nine point.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Five one of one of those episodes probably right around
I'm just saying overall, Yeah, so that tells you how
highly rated this TV show is, or this that episode
specifically told you? Yet episode seven I told you, like,
just episode seven is everything?

Speaker 4 (23:31):
My question? How much different would you view this show
if that was the first episode? Enormously different? Yeah, enormously totally.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
I'd be very disappointed. I would too, What the hell?

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Well, and not your disappointing. You wouldn't know what the
alternative was. But well, I think that I don't think
they could do. I don't know how you could tell
a great show with starting like that. I just I
honestly don't. Like we've seen how the show builds up
to it. I just can't see being reversed. I would
be like, well, what the hell?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Like I mean, but that's my point, Like, so what
if they just did chronological or maybe a couple bounce
backs here and there, but overall pretty chronological And they
ended with the the flashbacks and the reveal at the
end of the first episode of them being in the
bunker and the whole thing where you know where the
Joint Chiefs. The head of the Joint Chiefs says, you know,
we're welcoming you into this information you were agreeing to
it is.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yes, and I completely agree with you. I think that
is part of the reason why this works so well.
As you know the ending, but you're picking out pieces
of the context throughout the entire season about each person's story,
how they got up to this point, and then moments
that are seared into your brain. Then you find out

(24:42):
what happened just before that, like when they when he
had the Sinatra conversation and he con cal confronts Sinatra
about what she did. It's a good point, and like
before that, you didn't even think anything of that conversation.
There's so many moments like that where they go back
and they put that they pay things off in such
a perfect way.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
I forgot that was part of his horrible day. Yeah,
something's basically told off by Sinatra. Well, no, he tells
her off right then, and then she's like, what do
you what are.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
You gonna do about it?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
About it?

Speaker 4 (25:11):
And then because they walk Yeah, it's it's there's so
many money. And I'm not even saying this to the
saying that it should be in chronological or I completely
agree with you, guys. I think a lot of that
goes with like we'll get into Star Wars conversation later,
but watching original trilogy before you watch the prequels. I
have changed my tone on that because I used to
want to watch in chronological order. Same thing with the MCU.

(25:34):
I'm kind of to the point now you want to
watch in release order and uh, you know, the stuff
that's laid out first purposefully, and then you go back
and fill in the gaps later. I think that's a
much better viewing experience, especially for people who want to
soak it all in.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Can we take a few minutes before we get to
the Star Wars and welcome to me, Shaanton, and go
over a quick couple theories, Okay, because obviously I have
my theory about how now now doctor Tabby is pregnant.
There that whole theory. The biggest thing to come out
of the end of episode seven, other than just the
fact that it was a great episode, is when Julianne Nicholson,
who plays Sinatra Rebecca something or whatever it is, Samanthus

(26:11):
cause Antha julian Nicholson, Oh my god. Yeah, just tremendous
and just love to hate this character. And Sterling K.
Brown's great. James Marsden has been really good in everything,
but in this he is. In this he is better
than anything he's ever done in the past.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
The best. I think that's the best performance out of
any of the.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Actors, especially in his in his like the Final Day
episode where you really feel his pain. Oh my god,
when when his dad tells him like, I'm not proud
of you, and you've never done anything on your own.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
It didn't do anything without me doing it for you.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
I mean, his reaction to that is amazing. Anyway, So
The big question to come out of season or episode
seven is when Sinatra Julianne Nicholson says, we learned that
the DNA at the crime scene of the murder of
the president of cal bradd is not of anybody in
the bunker. The person that murdered Cal came from outside

(27:07):
the bunker. So let's go around the room, Chris, I'll
start with you. Who killed cal Bradford?

Speaker 6 (27:12):
Man, there's only one name who Marsha.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
That's the one name that from the day. I don't know.
She did walk out and like, I don't know how
she would survive, but they held that they held that
shot of the helicopter. I mean, that's one person that screams.
She looks like she wanted to kill him on the day.
Can you blame her?

Speaker 4 (27:32):
No?

Speaker 2 (27:33):
So she she knew that they were going to Colorado, yep,
and that's about it. She has motive. But how but
she would have just had to survive whatever the w Yeah,
she would have had to survive. That. It's a good shout.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
I would say, Yeah, she's my number one. But watch
it be someone who we just forgot or don't know yet.
I just can't see being someone we don't know, but
that could be the reason for season two, right, because
this person we had no clue. That's a great point,
and that would be kind of a shocker. But with
this show, you never know, do you guys?

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Look at the episode of or the title of season
eight's episode no do you want me to tell you?

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Go ahead?

Speaker 4 (28:14):
The man who kept the secrets?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I interpret that as the dad.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
That's what I was just thinking, Well, but his secrets
are so scrambled, he couldn't have killed his son.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
I don't think it's him. I'm just saying that's the
episode title.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Now, we also get a shot of when we see
that X's daughter takes the tablet who was fallen onto
the bushes right weirdly, but she also remembered seeing a
person walking away with a jacket that had on the
back of the jacket flower flower symbol. That was also
the bookmark that the dad had, which is trying to
connect you to the dad. And this again, this show

(28:51):
is all about mister X, right, So, like, I have
no idea how to interpret this person in a you know,
the jacket with that logo, nothing, no.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Idea if it's the middle of the reach, what if
it was his wife.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Well that when she hasn't been in it at all,
it could it wouldn't make sense for her to break in,
not see her husband or family kill the president, and
then dip out what's her motive?

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Like, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
I think she understood, Like, I mean, how would she
even had known that the president knew right? Like she
wouldn't There have to be some like she'd have to
just be knowing that the president didn't allow her husband
to come to save her. I tend to believe it's
someone we haven't met yet, or someone that maybe we
have met, but it's a super super minimal character. Yeah,
someone like you don't even remember you have to go

(29:35):
back into.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Like I think I think we can all agree. I
don't think it was Sinatra.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
I don't think it was not even idiot was directed
by her.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I don't even I don't even think so. I think,
you know, I think she's a very honest moment where
she says, like I was getting close to murdering him,
but I didn't do it, And I don't think by extension,
I don't think it was Jane.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
I just don't trust her anymore.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
It could have been an interesting a someone that was
in the system but didn't make it.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Just did Terry sneak in and then Terry doesn't go
to X. Terry kills the president before she goes to X.
That would make no sense.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
But maybe it's someone else who we don't know of.
That to your point, Anderson is just like, holy moly, yeah,
because there are there are a bunch of people that
were like, what was the black dude's name, the trash guy,
Jeremy I'm talking about the.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
How about that he was when when Xavier asked, he said, hey,
go talk to the chief of Staff or defense or whatever.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
He went and go asked a brother. He was like, hey,
I need to get my wife out of Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Oh yeah, the General the Joint the Great Exaction.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
I don't know why he would have. But considering the
President didn't launch the nukes, they.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Were in Saint Louis, they came down in Saint Louis.
They know exactly where the buncher was. We know that
it's just a random one because he could have survived.
He was definitely on the list to be in the bunker.
Do we know if he made it. We don't know.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Well, the other question is do we believe Sinatra when
she says it's someone not from the bunker. Yeah, it's
a good I believe her. I don't know if I do.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
I am the reason why I believe everything that there is.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
Not believe her because she was willing to sit up
there and play audio of.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
That was. I don't think. I don't think. I don't
think that. A lot of people on the internet say
that the audio was AI it was fake, don't ye.
I was taking that immediately. That's a lot of work
to do that your mouths was just write your death?
What do you mean work to do?

Speaker 4 (31:40):
She literally would have like this is her last She
asked to give something to him. He could kill her
so quickly, that's my point. So she had to make
that so she wouldn't so he wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I think.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
I think if he really wanted to, he could have.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
But considering the fact that the daughter is now in
wherever she is, obviously she didn't need that extra a
little bit. She could have just rode with the Yeah,
she could roll with a daughter. But I think the
icing on the cake was your wife is alive, like
here you go. And it wasn't just her she played
two other random people, like, I just don't see her
fabricating that and not to mention the whole sniper thing.

(32:13):
So we know that, and I think I think this
is really easy too, especially if we tie it into
the theory that doctor Tarabi is pregnant. Wouldn't season two
tie in where oh my gosh, ex and his wife
are reunited, but now he is he has this other girl.
He got this other girl pregnant? Yeah, that would sting.
That would out kind of walking dead. You know, you
think your husband's dead and you go off and sleep

(32:36):
with the best friend, and then Rick is alive. You're like,
oh god, this is not the same, and now you
raise the child that's not even yours and Rick Grimes
just like, what do I do? So my best friend?
Going into episode eight, as we we we we should
move on, get to get to Star Wars here in
just a minute. But going into episode eight, I guess
the two questions are what do we need answered? What

(32:57):
do we want answered? What do we and I'll throw
in a third what we expect to get answered? So
I guess need want expect on answers in the final episode.
Knowing that we're still going to get a season.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
Two he got first, Christopher, I am excited just to
see how season win ins.

Speaker 6 (33:11):
There's gonna be so much information packed in.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Did you need any answers?

Speaker 5 (33:16):
I would like answers, but I don't know at this point.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
They killed Cal? Do you need to know who killed Cal?
Would you want to?

Speaker 5 (33:23):
I want to know, but I think I think I
want to know what season two is going to be about.
So maybe we don't get we don't find out who
kills Cap because now there's bigger fish to fry. Somehow
the wife survived. So what really happened out there? Did
a nuke didn't hit Atlanta? But what happened the phone
just cut out?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
A nuke did hit Denver? And did you see that
a nuke was supposed to hit Seattle? So yeah, we're screwed,
So that in my head, I'm wondering, Okay, so what
really got nuked? Because the President did not launch the
nukes from the United States. He did not do that.
He was going to drop an emp. He was going
to do that, but then he just frowz the last second. No,
he did hit it. Yeah, and that's where you see
the blue covering the earth on the monitor and the

(34:00):
blue covers it. So that's why we also know and
Julian and Sinatra confirms know that the EMP worked it.
It knocked out the the missile before excuse me, Okay,
that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
So in that situation, the president figured I'm going to
give people a chance. And you're hearing those people that
had a chance, Yeah, their survivors. That was really cool
because part of them going to be like, you're right,
let's just nuke the world.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
And you know, she says, like a blinding light is
is just it's more humane.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
That's such like a fanls thing. Let me just wipe
out half the universe and you know, clean slate.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
It goes back to Billy pace.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
She's like the dog.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
She's not wrong, but it's like so immoral, Like what
do you mean it's just a flash. Yeah, but they're dead,
Like you just wiped out everyone because you want to
be you want to be the Yeah, this is our country.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Did Sinatra do anything to knock out the other plane
with Congress and the and the jabs Supreme Justices because
their plane went down And I said to myself, if
if the if the Congress and the Supreme Court justices
and that we're on that plane and that plane gets
to Paradise.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
She has way less she has way less power. And
that's why we talked about this on our text chain.
Like I am like as scared of her as I've
been of any almost any other character. She's a monster, yeah,
because you guys point out she's just motivated by her family.
I don't think so. I think she is a power
hungry mother effort.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Do we believe that her daughter is still alive?

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (35:31):
I tend to think yes, because I again, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
We're seeing one scene. We've seen one scene where her
daughter is a teenager, but we don't know if that's
in paradise or not.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
But then there's there's another like she has a conversation
with doctor Troby saying, oh, well, I forget her name,
like did well in a biology test yesterday and it
was in the bunker, y'all.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
That's a really nice callback. Yeah, I think I think
I remember that something about biology.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Test, and it's like, oh, like, imagine how we study
of for all these things and then forget them like
right after I don't know, something like that, But she
is a call back to that and it was in
the so I don't know, maybe again maybe another misterreck
but well, we'll we'll see what ends up happening.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
What do you need? What do you need?

Speaker 4 (36:11):
One answer I need and you guys probably will still
say that you've already gotten it. I need to know
if Terry's alive period, if they show her like in
this like desolate enough. No, it's not like even with
the e MP, they totally could be fabricated like so easily.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I need to.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
I need to know she's I need to see a
shot of her in this desolate place after the world
has ended, quote unquote, and ye I need to know.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
You know what I can see.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
They're probably going to open up with Terry.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
And I was thinking the final scene. I was thinking
the final and maybe maybe X solves the murder. And
then he leaves and says, I solved your murder, Sinatra,
see you later. I'm going out.

Speaker 6 (36:54):
Would you want to go out there though, because now
there's no.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
He's gonna search for his wife. Absolutely, I'm just no.
You can't take your kid, that's chaos. Well, he'd leave
them in the wonderful hands of the tavern owner who
has already wonderful Jane or the next door neighbor, trust Jane.
How about the next door neighbor who has who snuck
the dog in? That's crazy genius? Okay, can we talk

(37:18):
about please, we'll get star Wars and seconds. Can we
please talk about the fact that this whole group is like,
oh my gosh, there's writing on the sky? What are
we going to do? Who did this program? Oh my gosh?
And nobody looks and says, hey, why isn't he at
work today? That guy was the guy who always sits
next to us and runs the sky.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Why isn't walk in?

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Was it Glenn or something whatever? I think he was
like a part time employee. He was part time, I
think based on how they treated cameras showing that he
like walked in a lot. What But in that sense,
no one's thinking it's someone in the program. So how
do you have to hide a dog for three years?

Speaker 5 (37:56):
The tiny dog stay in the house? I mean, like,
don't have security like that. And if they do have security,
they're not walking the streets. We haven't seen people walk
in the streets like, hey, get in your house. We
haven't seen that. So all we know is that it's a.
They have police. We do know that. I saw a
police car a few times, so I know that, But
I don't think they're policing it like you need to
be doing certain things or you're gonna get locked away

(38:18):
or this punishment. So yeah, he snuck a dog in
and was like the doging to stay in my house.
They're not checking like that. So when he's at his job,
I really don't think they're like only one person can
do this and they work here. They're thinking someone from
the outside, or they just they're not thinking that someone
that's in their field could really do that, and why
would they do that?

Speaker 2 (38:38):
What motive do they have? So the Diehard references throughout
that episode, all the all the music Eye of the Tiger.
We built this city on rock and roll, you know,
Another day in Paradise. I mean, as we wrap up
the conversation, this serious, guys. I mean, I cannot wait
to talk about this the whole once we have the

(39:00):
final episode of season one done. We'll obviously have to
wait another year and a half two years for season two.
But this show Paradise on Hulu is something very special.
James Marsden, Julianne Nicholson, and Sterling K. Brown running at
Dan Foegelman. The score is great, man, it's it's it's

(39:20):
fun that we have a show to actually, you know,
spend forty minutes actually just theorizing and talking about because
it's great. I don't know, I would love I would
love to go to the bunker. I would love I
would love to be in there.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
No thanks, I'm good, but we can go ahead. Sorry,
so think about it. The best thing about the show
is the timing of it. It comes out right before
and Or season two, right before Last of Us season two,
and those are two that I'm gonna just consume.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, getting a bunker to watch those. Speaking of bunkers,
you know, one of the big things that's been going
on in this office over the last what week two
weeks or so, has been a conversation about Star Wars
movie rankings. And I think it's I think it's since
we're talking about bunkers, let's like, let's let's do a

(40:03):
the radio trick and loop these things together. Yeh, let's pretend.
And we're gonna welcome our good friend Ni Shanton for
this conversation as well, and the Shant welcome into Hollywood Weekly.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Thank you it was you know, you guys inviting me here.
Was a surprise, to be sure, but certainly a welcome one.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
We need a with with Jessman out today, we need
a fourth person for this conversation because let's all pretend
that the four of us are going into the Paradise bunker,
and let's pretend that there are only one DVD copies
of every Star Wars product ever, so like and or
Season one. There's one DVD of the Sea Tonight, I'm
gonna frankly imha include season two on that. There's one

(40:42):
DVD of Empire, There's one DVD of New Hope. There's
one DVD of literally everything the Star Wars has ever done.
And we all get each are you like like Paradise
has each of their homes, we all get each of
our homes, but we get to call DIBs on which
Star Wars piece of entertainment we want want for our home.
That's the draft today, as we as we kind of

(41:04):
we'll talk about what we're watching a little bit later
on and continue that conversation, but I think we loop
it together. We're all going into a bunker. Let's draft,
and let's get going on what we want in our
bunker home of Star Wars content, because this effectively is
our personal rankings in a draft form. We're gonna go
to the little randomizer here and we'll start over with Chris.

(41:26):
Chris gets a three, randomizer, Anders gets a one. Anders,
you get the first pick. Nashot you get two, and
that means I get four. All right, Anders, Well, why
don't you lead us off here? As we are drafting
what you are going to the bunker? The world is ending,
and you have the sole possession of the first choice

(41:50):
of Star Wars content. Is it as easy as most
Star Wars fans think it is?

Speaker 4 (41:54):
No, it's not at all. I am deciding between two
pieces right now. If I'm thinking logically, I would choose
the longer piece, and uh because because shows are all
one disk, that's what I mean. It's a lot that
lasts longer. However, I'm gonna it's hard for me because

(42:16):
I really think if and Or's done correct, I'm gonna
show my hand, but I'm sure it's gonna get picked
before it it comes around to me. If and Or's
done correctly, it could bump up to this spot. But
I think, as of now, my number one overall pick
is still Empire. Yeah, it's and especially after talking about
Paradise and how many amazing twists there are in it,

(42:40):
let's let's do it some justice and do the best
twist in Hollywood history. Luke, I am your father, So
I'm gonna go Empire with the first overall pick number
two pick.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Well.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
I think my goal with this podcast is to bring
a what I like to call a pf JS analysis
to It means.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Listen, this is this now this this podcast isn't about
like a hard hitting intelligence analysis intelligence.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I want to bring peace, freedom, justice and security to
this podcasting. I'm really gonna lean on what everyone knows
is truly the best aging piece of Star Wars media,
which is Revenge of the Sith. The reason I'm going
to go with Revenge of the Sith is because Revenge
of the Sith isn't just a movie. Revenge of the
Sith is a language. Revenge of the Sith is a culture,

(43:30):
It's a religion. It truly incorporates everything that we see
in day to day life in new ways and new
forms that some might call unnatural.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
So I think, really it, But you know.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
To answer the question generally, I think it's my favorite
piece of Star Wars media, you know, after you know,
if you can go by Empire being being the best,
I think Revenge of the Sith is the most colloquial,
and it's the one that I learned to talk in
the Star Wars language because of.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
If anyone didn't get that, that was like a bunch
of memes that he said from it, I'm.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Sure, yeah, people, we can toss that, toss them out
all day. This is where the fun begins, which is
pick number two. So it's so good and also from
a genuine standpoint, I mean you and McGregor, I think
his aged incredibly as an actor and probably is arguably
right up.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
There in the Hall of Fame for for for Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
So wow, all right, well episode three goes with the
number two overall. Pick color me shocked. Let's go, Chris,
go ahead with number three.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
So Jackson, Yeah, you said of our entertainment, right, So
can I go a video game? Could you said entertainment
all loud? I will take Star Wars battle Front.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
That's a great choice.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Gone, Chris changing the game, I don't know, that's a
great that's great. When Jackson said for entertainment, I thought, well,
they I love the video game. I was playing that
at Wshue with my good friend Javon. Will be in
there all day, so I love the the Walker Assault.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
That was probably want favorite modes. So go ahead and
gave me Star Wars Battlefront.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I don't mind that pick at all. That's a fun
little pick you got there, all right. I'm real happy,
real real happy because I get to pick. I got
my number one and my number three all time in
Star Wars. I will go New Hope, which I'd still
consider the best.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Better than Empire.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
I'm a New Hope guy, and I love episode seven
because at the end of the day, like I love
world building, I love character development, and New Hope definitely
introduces you in a lot of those ways to these characters.
And it's the same reason why Star Trek two thousand
and nine is one of my favorite movies, because I
just I love the introduction of characters, and I love
the world building and kind of putting you into the universe.

(45:41):
And I remember when my dad first showed me New Hope,
and it just is, oh my gosh, what a cool world. Yes,
it doesn't have the effects of modern sci fi, but
still what a cool world that was built there. So
New Hope is my number one that I'll take with
the fourth overall, I'll wrap that around with and Or,
which I do think is the best Star Wars since Empire.
Empire would be my number two, and then and Or

(46:02):
will be my third. So and Or season one was
nothing short of spectacular. I think I have it like
fourteenth all time in my show's list. Season two coming
out later this month. Cannot wait for it. So the
fact that I get I get these two here at
four and five, I'm real happy with Chris, your back up,
give me Star Wars Attack of the Clone episode two.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
You're you're, you're, you're letting the rest like he's literally
looking at the worst thing. The best of this is great.
Don't recall. See if you're going into the bunker, you're saying,
I want my friends to have the good content.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
I'll take he's not going to watch it. I'll take
whatever you leave me. I have the video game right now,
and I'm pretty so.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
I think you got to die on the Hill of Jango.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Fet costume design is really the only way Attack of
the Clone.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I can tell you're a big prequel.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Fan again, Ewan McGregor central, I'll die defending that man.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
We Softie is dying at your takes right now, So
go ahead with the next pick.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Oh, I get the next pick right? Well, I'm again,
I'm I'm really shocked that this pick is here. So
I'll make it short, Star Wars, the Clone Wars. I
I think.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
So I wanted to.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Pick Return of the Jedi for a second, and then
I thought, well, if I'm trapped, what would be the
most entertaining piece of content?

Speaker 2 (47:22):
You know, for what? What?

Speaker 1 (47:23):
What could I have the longevity? And really, I think
it's a perfect pairing with my other piece of content
that I picked. So i' I'm thinking holistically about a team.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Is a nice team?

Speaker 4 (47:33):
You're so, here's what I'll say about The Clone Wars
if the last season, Season seven of the Clone Wars
is probably like my favorite piece of Star Wars content period,
over and or over, Empire, over any movie. That last
season is everything that Star Wars is supposed to be.

(47:53):
It's so good. I won't spoil it for anyone who
hasn't seen it, but you know my take on animation.
We've talked about this multiple times. It doesn't get taken
seriously because it's animated. But my god, if you like
Order sixty six, and I think it's a little overdone
in all of the Star Wars stuff that's been going
on recently, they try and tie it into everything now,

(48:14):
but that is the way to do it, especially like
the Shanta saying, if you watch episode three and then
you watch Clone Wars, which is a lead up to
episode three, it's crazy to see where when you know
things are happening, oh, this is happening at the same time,
it's wild. It's so cool, so well done and honestly

(48:34):
probably the most I'm wanna say dramatic, but just like
heavy hitting moments in Star Wars, that's it really.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
And truly invents a new character in Ahsoka that I
think it's phenomenally so.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Andrews, you have right now episode five? Do you get
Episode six right here?

Speaker 4 (48:51):
I do not. I'm not a huge Episode six fan,
to be honest. I think it's a little bit lower.
I'm gonna take the Phantom Menace so one I I
think I have on my list. I have episode one
and episode four like almost identical.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
I think it goes in terms of just the movies.
It goes Empire Revenge of the Sith, and then episode
one and four are tied.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
That's it's surprising to me, but I think the go ahead.
I just I think it's one of those that that
falls victim. I think in that Attack of the Clones
the same way it falls victim to that kind of
early two thousands. You're you're trying to do a lot
with CGI and and yeah, you know, animation and stuff,
and you know, the whole jar Jar thing and all.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
That is the weak point of the movie.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
It just all that falls so flat for me, and
I know it falls flat for a lot of people
because it just ends up coming across as silly.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Do you guys buy that that the rumor that they
originally were gonna make jarar like.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Some kind of that makes it even worse. If that's
actually what's going on, I would play way, way, way,
way god, But I don't think that's what it is,
because then you can tell an episode two he has
like a zero role because they listen to everyone saying
that he was too big of a role and just
too much. I agree if there's no if there's less
jar Jar in episode one, I think it bumps up

(50:10):
a lot on people's radars. I think there's a lot
in what does what? Episode one does really really really
really well. It sets up the whole stage. Plus Nishan
can probably do a better job of explaining this than me.
But like a lot of people's qualms, Episode one is
I don't know if a trade dispute is what you

(50:31):
want to set in motion for like this giant galaxy thing,
but now we're living it. Yeah, it's exactly what's happening
between the US and Canada. It's literally what's happening between
US and Canada right now. So there's like, there's.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Better ways to show entertainment, I think from the style.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
I don't think so. I think watching it as a
as an adult made it better because I understand the
politics of it a little bit more. I understand why
these things are happening and these ambassadors are having to
go between the two sides and like trying and figure
things out.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Just mixed between that serious plot and the silliness of it,
and that those two didn't there's.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Really only one silly moment and I'm not moment but
silly aspect, and it's and it's Chargear the pod.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
The pod racing scene with the announcers, I mean the
dumb announcers. I mean, like the pod racing scene was
really cool, and then you have these, you know, ron
fairly type announcers that are you know, just I think
just the lamest. They ruined that scene for me.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
I don't but the announcers in real life too. I mean,
you throw Tony and Tony Romo in a pod racing thing.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Oh, I don't know if he's gonna make that turn.
I would love that. That's exactly great.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Yeah, I mean, way.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Way better than the two headed whatever the hell that
thing was.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
Yeah, and it is a little weird how a nine
year old Anakin kind of falls in love with like
a sixteen year old or whatever. Fifteen year old.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, she was.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
She was a problematic, but also happens sometimes it does.
It's aublematic figures there are.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
I'm not saying it's a perfect movie, but I think
defend the the the positives in it vast outweigh the negative.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
All right, so let's let's keep this moon for sure. Right.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
One last thing, Yeah, is my favorite Star Wars character
period kind of story.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
So you have episodes five and one, now correct, all right,
Next pick oh, I gotta wrap around, right.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Do I take Rogue One or Return of the Jedi.
I'm gonna do a Return of the Jedi, Okay. I
I know Rogue One gets a lot of love. I
don't love it as much as a lot of other
people do. I'm not a huge fan of Return of
the Jedi, but I think it's it's just below the
one and four tiers.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yes, you got one, three, five, you got you got
the odd number movies?

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Yeah, exactly, plus I think one and six. There's a
lot of parallels that you can connect the Duel of
the Fates in. I just showed me shot this video.
If you guys haven't seen Dave Filoni explain the prequels,
well that but like if just look up Dave Felony
Duel the Fates on YouTube's it's from all the creators

(53:03):
of the Mandalorian, which we'll get to later, talking about
the prequels and why they're important. And he is like
a huge prequels fan, as am I. So he talks
about the Duel of Fates and everyone just like, oh,
it's a cool lightsaber battle at the end with Obi
Wan and Qui Gon versus Darth Maul, but it's way
more than that. There's so much at stake because Anakin

(53:24):
never had a father, his mom. He left his mom,
he got taken away from his mom at this point
in the story, and Qui Gon's the one who did that.
He's the one that knows what it's like to take
him away from his mom that is supposed to be
that father figure that he needed. And he's kind of
an old school Jedi, the one that still is kind
of attached to feelings, knows that he should still care.

(53:45):
That's why he's not on the Jedi Council, right, And
Obi Wan always questions him, like, why why do you
do this? Otherwise you'd be on the council, And Qui
Gon just like doesn't care about all that. He's still
like connected to the Force in that way, and all
the rest of the Jedi have become way more political.
So draw that all the way to six in the end,
when Luke is taking is fighting Darth Vader and almost

(54:07):
about to turn to the dark side, but then Luke
kind of just tosses it all away and remembers that
it's not it's it's not his connection to the Force.
It's gonna save him it's it's not his his lightsaber skills,
it's not as the training that he ever had with Yoda.
It's his love for his father that saves him and
his father, and his father reciprocates that, and he finally

(54:29):
gives Luke the father figure that he never had and
got taken away from him. And that's I think one
way to tie those things off.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I mean, I think episode three is great, So I
was sorry episodes Yeah, I mean I said that wrong
the first time. But you do end up having one, three, five,
and and I think that that's six. Now.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
No, I don't have three. I don't have three three, No,
he is three.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Sorry, you have one, five, six, right, Okay, I'm getting
I didn't say that wrung the second time. I said
it right the first time. All right, you're up with
your next pick here.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Yeah, I think that. Uh.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I mean, I'll take Rogue one, you know what, you
but keep going. I really thought when he when he went,
I'm like, let's go, I'm not gonna.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
I don't think I'm going to pretend that I would
have taken it over Return of the Jedi just because
I love Return of the Jed so much. But you know,
to to to say something that Rogue One does does great.
I think Rogue One really you know, if if anyone
has seen it, I don't want to spoil anything, but
the fact that they confront real issues of mortality and

(55:40):
real issues of what the cost of war is. And
you know, in a series called Star Wars, yes people
died throughout the course of the series, but it's always
this very big, dramatic thing, and it's always one character
at a time, whereas in this you really see the
gut wrenching effects and that ending I think is beautiful,
and I think there's again there's flaws that you can
pick throughout the movie. It's I don't think it's the

(56:01):
best movie compared to the other Star Wars, but I
do really love the way it ties together and the
way that it's such a small story and done in
such a big way.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
And I think artistically it's just it's just incredibly crapy and.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
You could say about and or too like kind of it.
You don't have any of these big characters in Indoor.
It's like kus of ground level of what Star Wars
has an effect on the people.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
No one is someone's grand daughter in this one.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Right, yeah, Chris, go ahead with with your second.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
To last pick.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Can I take the Mandalorian?

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Yes you can, you can. Yes, Jackson's two next picks
are gone.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
The list sucks. There we have it Mandalorian for me, please, Okay,
thanks for that. Sorry, Okay, let's go. Force Awakens, all right,
I do, And that kind of comes from my New
Hope love. I do really really love a New Hope
and and really a Force Awakens episode seven is just

(56:54):
such a in so many ways, a carbon copy of that.
Oh god, this really sucks.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Show sucks.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I mean Bobie Boba Fetts in my brain right now,
because here's the thing with Boba Fet. Inside of Boba
Fet you get Mandalorian Part two point five and the
single episode I didn't like the show really well, it's
just I like, there's one specific episode where you see
Luke and his specifically his training and he trains Grogu,

(57:27):
and that single episode was like, was just such a
mind Oh my god, Like how incredible is this the
CGI for the character. What's interesting is remember he was
at the end of season one of the Mandalorian uh
and they had the graphics done by in house, and
then you had somebody go on YouTube and redo the

(57:49):
CGI for Luke Skywalker and said, Disney, you did a crap.
Look what I can do. Disney then hires that person
to come do the CGI for Luke sky the d
aging of Luke Skywalker. For Boba Fett. See the Boba
Fet season in that middle section there, what is Mandalorian
season two point five? And I think it looked so

(58:10):
real and so good and the story flows so well,
and listen, Boba Fet. Most of it was just, you know,
just whatever, But there were a few episodes in the
middle that were that were so damn good, and just
because all the other good content I think is gone.
I mean, episode three is gone. Seven I just picked
four or five, six all gone. I guess I'll go God,

(58:35):
this sucks. Can I can, I like, officially, can I
just take the couple episodes in the middle of Boba Fet.
I don't. I don't want the rest of Boba Fet.
I just want the few middle I want. I want
Mandalorian season two a few pieces.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
I don't want the scene.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I don't want anything except for the middle three episodes.
I think, and and if I can just you know,
X out the rest and on on whatever, we post
for this draft, I want Mandalorian season two point five,
and then in parentheses Bubba fed because I really don't
want the rest of that crap season. I just want
those great three episodes.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Ah man, you all just kept ruining my draft for
this last round. All right, Chris, your last pick? Oh man,
this is I know. Now we're bottom of the barrel.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
You're choosing some couple unorthodox.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Let me just go back to the eighties.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Give me there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
You want the Christmas Special? He wants the Christmas Special, Walks,
you want the walk Christmas Special? Can do a future film.
No's not awful, It's not.

Speaker 6 (59:37):
Like it.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
We'll go solo a star War story. Explain the director
was Ron Howard, A right, so good explanation. I mean,
Lover is solid enough.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Donald Glover's good.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
I like, I'm kind of with me Sean on this.
When we were talking about this, I think there's entirely
too little of Lando called Rision in it. There needs
to be more and.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Like like the actor I'm blanking on the name who
played you know, the young Harrison something. It was fine,
but like it just I don't know, it felt like
it felt a little overacting.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
I think it's a fine movie. It's just the stakes
aren't igh enough. It's like, Okay, we didn't need this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Yeah, I didn't like Amelia Clark in it, and I
love Amelia Clark in general, and I don't think she
was great in that. But overall, I think, like, listen
for what's left on the board, I think it's a
solid pick. Ye, all right, to go ahead with your.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Mind, Please don't pick mine.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Well, I don't know if what's left of the movies.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
By the way, Baseball count as a Star Wars property.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
No, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I mean I would have picked that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Take bad Batch.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
I'm thinking about it because of paras so well with
the Clones, Yeah, I would take it. Or do I
take Kenoby just for Hayden Christiansen, that's you know, the
one episode he's in or two the Hayden christians.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
The same concept as mine? Right, you draft something just
for a couple of moments, that's fair.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
I just think out of principle, I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Or do I just be a contrarian, just take the
last yed?

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Please don't, please do not. I don't want to have
to crap on the pan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
We're not we're not talking about eight and nine. I
think nobody draft eight.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
I think I think I probably I think I wanna
take Star Wars Rebels exclusively because I think there are
a couple of arcs in that show that are really
really interesting and just unexplored territory from from what the
rest of they did. That's time to think it pairs
really well with Clone Wars and you know, kind of
scraping the bottle bottom, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
With a nice kind of yeah, content longevity.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair to me. And final pick, okay, imis,
let you guys know, I'm decided between the bad Batch
and Star Wars. The Force Unleashed, which is a.

Speaker 6 (01:01:38):
Bad badge, is not a word solid, so I'm cool
with that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
All right. Anyways, moving on, I'll just explain the Force
Unleashed is awesome. I think it's it's very very underrated
in Star Wars circles. Of course, if you're not a gamer,
you won't know what it is. But the concept is, uh,
right after the Jedi Purge, Vader goes and has a
senses that there's a Jedi that's left alive on Kashik.

(01:02:05):
He goes and kills all these Wookies gets to this
Jedi who's an older guy, and he easily beats him
in combat, but right before he's about to kill him,
he has his lightsaber force pulled away from him by
his son, who is extremely strong in the force, and

(01:02:26):
Vader then takes him in trains him to be a Sith.
His name is Star Killer, and he does this under
Palpatine's nose without telling him. So it's this really cool
like arc of Vader kind of right after the Jedi
Purge and how powerful this guy is, and it's really
really really cool. It's technically not canon, it's Legends, but
I think it should be canon. Hopefully they find a
way to get him in there. I'm still gonna take

(01:02:47):
bad Batch though. I actually think another post order sixty
six sort of thing about all these clones that you know,
how they phased out from Clone Troopers to Stormtroopers. That's
kind of goes about that process and this group of clones,
uh that in the in the Clone Wars. They actually

(01:03:07):
in the final season they're kind of leading up to this.
They're this kind of raggedy like misfit group so to speak,
and yeah, exactly, and they have all of these abilities
and stuff, and they they're kind of going through. What
I think it does really well is it goes through
post order sixty six Star Wars universe and kind of
explains it from again and kind of a ground level. Uh,

(01:03:27):
you don't have a ton of like big players. You
get some, but it's more just like what's going on
in the galaxy right now, and they kind of experience everything.
And it's really really cool and there's a lot of
good arcs in it, with like good Brotherhood. I've always
loved the Clones. Uh, it does a really good job.
So I put bad Batch as my as my next pick.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Okay, do we have these draft picks are written down?
You know, Chris, you've been on your computer. I'm not
sure I got you have the bicks. Let's let's go
through exactly what everybody I don't. I don't end up
liking my team because I got screwed there in the
third round.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
But who is the second overall?

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
I was second?

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
What are your picks?

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
So you had had.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
I had Clone Wars after that Wars, and then I
had Rogue one and I had Rebels.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Rebels Okay, and Christopher Battlefront the game attack of the clones,
the Mandalorian and Solo, So you don't. And that's that's
a fine team.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
That's a good team. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Outside episode two, I think it's a fine Jackson. Yeah,
I had New Hope, I had uh and Or, I
had Force Awakens episode seven, and I had Mandalorian season
two point five. And we're getting rid of the rest
of Bobba throwing away episodes. I want the middle ones.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
All right, and then mine were Empire. What was my
second pick, Phantom Menace yeah? Uh? And then Return of
the Jet Yeah and that batch.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Okay, okay, right uh, Nashan, thanks for stopping by, man man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
It was an absolute blast. Another happy landing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yeah, and thanks so much for all the references.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
Seriously, thanks so much for having me those.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
That was a blast.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
I have come back anytime you guys need an extra body.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Got it. Thanks. We'll let me shot go and we'll
continue on and talk. Get back to what we've been watching. Obviously,
we spent the first part of the show on Paradise
before get in the Draft. But let's get back into
the conversation other than par I mean, Chris, are you
watching anything other than Paradise? Because I know for my life,
it's been mostly paradise.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
Other than has been paradise. But the fiance and I
did just finish watching season two of Sprint. So the
Olympic trials for the one hundred meters men and women
and two hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
Meters like a documentary about it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Yeah, so it's.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
Basically giving you a look at the stars in the USA.
And of course our rivals did Jamaicans. Yeah, so it's
a really good rifle. Yes, when it comes to they're
really good rivals. Yeah, and sprinting, when it comes to
the one in the two hundred, it's Jamaican you saying
boat dominated for years, that's true, and now it's what's
his name exactly?

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
So it was no Laos. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
So now the Jamaicans are like, who do we have next?
And they do have a guy. But as you guys
watching the Olympics, the dude lost by like one hunt
right les right, Yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Was that close and it was the whole six thing.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
The Americans are not like, we're back on top, but
that Jamaican dude's right there, so are you. And yeah,
so in twenty twenty eight, you know, they're just it's
a really cool story for the twenty twenty four Olympics.
So we I we I just finished that because wife
he was like, yeah, you can watch season two and
I'm like, say less, And we actually just started. We
finished season one of Court of Gold. So that is

(01:06:47):
the NBA version of what I just watched with Sprint.
So they're going back and looking at the twenty twenty
four Olympics team or Steph Curry for the first time
ever in his career is playing for Gold. Lebron, A
couple other guys are playing for notortunity to represent America.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
And deeperly in the locker room there we are you
seeing stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
Yeah, you're getting the beef between the other countries, like oh,
they bring out their best team and Kevin Durantz like,
well duh, Like you have your best players, You got
wim Bin Yama in Paris, Like what do you think
we're not? You think we're just going to bring our
b game because.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
In twenty twenty three they lost the World Games, right
and they had like Jalen Brunson, not your typical A stars.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
Reminds me of the two thousand and four Olympics because
as someone lives with an Argentinian I have gotten the
story because I thought they were all soccer about that
kind of stuff. But no, they love their basketball team
because they beat the US. And exactly, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
When you think of basketball, you think the United States
is on top of the world, but then you remember
the Lucas the Yn especially.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
On that Argentina Argentinace Louis scol Yeah, they played for
the Houston Rockets and Spurs at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
They had some good players.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
They have really good players. Yeah yeah, But the thing
is the US didn't there eighteen Well they technically kind
of did. They actually just got beat, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
And and for the US, what is what is our
strongest thing?

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
We basketball? We inmbented it. That's our FA football. But
but you get my point, it's not world No one's like, oh,
we want to check on the Americans. It's very rare.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
But like hockey, that's a Canadian thing, like that's their roots.
So when the USA wins, it's like damn Canada feels
some type of way, and Canada wins, the US is like,
damn it, we were right there. So this is an
in depth look at the United States trying to show
that no, we're still the top dogs.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Like yeah, you guys are even close. Carlos Delfino as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Yep, but we're about to bring our cast of giants.
Kevin Durant. Lebron's the documentary on Winning Gold. It's a
really cool documentary. Like I said, you get to see
how other countries view the United States. You get to
see it's entertaining.

Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
It's competition wise, it's it's more so like, oh, they
think they're the best thing, but we're coming.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Like what streaming service. It's on Netflix. Netflix. It's only
six episodes, but if your nice and tight, oh yeah,
in about forty five to fifty minutes each. So it's
really good. And that's what watch them together. It's it's
very sports documentaries.

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
So yeah, it's a fine one and you get to
see the like hey, you know, you get to see
it Netflix.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Sports docks have been really coming on here in the
last couple of years. Netflix knows what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
Watch Survive Man.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
That is one of the guys I couldno get out
over the weekend before you get to see the end
the season finale of Paradise, which we'll get into.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
So that is that is what I've been watching. All right, Anders,
what have you been watching besides Paradise.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
Besides Paradise which full disclosure, after we talked about it,
I literally, in the last two days have done something
I don't normally do and binge the entire thing. So
I loved having no conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
So in case folks jumped in, just the Star Wars
strafts that are catching this, go back to the start
of the podcast where we spend lots of time. Yes
on Paradise, but go ahead, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
So the only other thing I can think of is
I watched a movie on my way back Disneyland last
last week. You know how I love my airplane movie?

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yeah, you got a great airplane movie, Rex, I always
go to for airplane movie and it was.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
The Imitation Game. But Coumber back Yeah, and talks about
Alan Turing, who is the guy that broke enigma for
the Brits slashed the Allies, which is the German code
Service where they send all their messages, knowing that all
the Allies had tapped all their radio towers, but they

(01:10:27):
still have to send in coded messages. It's really really
cool to see not only how he did it and
this machine he made to crack the code, but the
life of him and like how hard it was for
someone that was homosexual during that time, that had so
much connection to the government. It reminded me a ton

(01:10:48):
of Oppenheimer, like super super amount of Oppenheimer in that
actually came out before it, So Oppenheimer had a lot
of invitation. Was almost a decade fourteen over the decades.
So yeah, it's it's really good because the big part
of the story is about how he breaks in Nigma.
He's this mathematician doesn't even speak German, which is wild

(01:11:08):
to me, but a lot of it's about his life
and how what he did like kind of affected him.
And you know, he ended up killing himself a couple
of five or six years after he did it because
the government found out he was gay and forced him
to take this hormonal therapy which is just awful and
it made him kill himself. So similar to how the
government really hounded J. Robert Oppenheimer after his accomplishment, same

(01:11:33):
kind of situation in Britain. With this situation really really interesting.
A lot of performance to performance in so many ways.
He does such a good job, even just this absolute
asshole of a mathematician that knows he knows more than
everyone and doesn't care about social situations. But also his
ending scene right before he's about to kill himself is
one of the most heartbreaking performances I've seen in a

(01:11:54):
long time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
It's a great, great movie, and I mean, like it's
I think it's that's one of those that is a
great airplane movie. But it's still a good movie even
watching out of the Airplane, because the performances are there.
I don't I haven't seen it and I haven't seen
it in a decade, but I do also remember the
score being really good.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
That's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Yeah, so that's a really really good one as well.
So and other than that, I mean, it really is
just paradise for you because I know, I know you've
been going hard at it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
I have. I've been I've been binging that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
So let me quickly rattle through a few things here
that I've had on my list. We didn't have the
time to talk about this on this episode. We'll we'll
talk about it next week. But Amazon has effectively killed
James Bond. That's a whole topic. Yeah, we'll get to that,
and it's the whole thing. So we'll cover that later on.
But other news and or the news came out that

(01:12:45):
it will be being released across four weeks and every
week we get three episodes, and it's basically getting a
and each each of the three episodes cover one year.
So it's basically like every week you get a feature film,
and every single week you get another you know, two
hour movie because I be about forty five minutes, So
every single week you get a roughly two hour movie

(01:13:06):
that covers one year, connecting season one of and Andor
to Rogue one. Okay, and that's all starting here in
just a cau what quick thought on that?

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
Because if you remember in season one, they did it
in like three acts. Yeah, so this is the same
Thing's gonna be similar, Yeah, exactly, very very similar. Yeah yeah,
but they didn't release it that way. But if you
watch it all together, you could see, oh, it's this time,
instinctively three acts.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
This time they're going to release it in the acts one, two, three, four.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
So that's some news that will and James Bond stuff
will hit on next week. Let me quickly talk about
the few movies that I've seen, and boy it's been
a rough stretch.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
First up, a new streaming movie called You're cordially invited.
Don't even look up where you can find it, because
I'm going to tell you right now and not to
watch it. It's the new Will Fail Reese Witherspoon rom
com where each of them are planning weddings at the
same venue and they have to kind of, you know,
come together and coordinate how they run two weddings at

(01:14:02):
one venue. It has a nice first forty five minutes
where it's kind of going in a fun direction and
you can see how the comedy is there. They're playing
off of each other well, and then it becomes absolutely unwatchable,
pathetic piece of crap that they shouldn't have made. Will Ferrell,
what the hell are you doing with your career? Next up,

(01:14:22):
it goes even further downhill. Love Hard. We talked about
this on the podcast, and one of the first ever shows,
Marshaan Lynch Kihwai Kwan a really you know what, seemed
could be a fun movie about Kwan Excuse me, I
always have trouble saying his name, but he, of course,

(01:14:43):
who's kind of just rein vitalized on the scene because
of everything. Ever all once he plays a kind of
ex mafia hitman, sort of guy who's trying to live
a normal life and he gets pulled back into his
old life. Marshn Lynch plays one of the people trying
to hunt him down. Please God, no, nobody see it.

(01:15:03):
Nobody give a single I hope it's been pulled from.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Theaters by an hour and twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
And I got it needed to be less.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
I mean I just started watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Horrifyingly bad, just horrible, like one of the worst scripts
I've ever ever seen in a movie.

Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
When we ever got to mention that I watched this
flight risk.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Is that happen? Was that good at all?

Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
It was like I had ninety minutes so like imitation,
I mean the continue, I mean, love Heart is just
pathetically bad and worse than Yeah, it's just it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
Does it get worse with your next movie?

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
No? No, that was the worst of it. Okay, I saved.
I say the last thing for the entire podcast night,
and that's Brave New World, The New Captain America. I
went and saw that, and it's all too great. We
can talk about this here because it's been getting so
so much hate, as you know, always just you know,
just a bottom three Marvel movie. And this is whole horrible.
And I've heard some people on reaction podcasts say it

(01:16:03):
may be the worst Marvel movie, and Chris, I just
didn't feel that at all. I mean, sure, it felt
rushed at times, the pacing felt off. It's it's very
very mid. You might even say it's just top of
the bottom, you know, third of Marvel movies. But I
wouldn't go anywhere too far to say that this is
a terrible or bad movie. It's far terrible. It's very

(01:16:26):
very mid, and it's very safe, and it's very good. Okay,
I walk out of the theater and it's entirely forgettable.
They do nothing with you know, Red Hulk other than
what you see in the trailers. All of that is
completely spoiled. And I just if you're a Marvel fan,
I just don't think it's worth paying the ten, fifteen,
twenty bucks to go see. You just you're not missing anything.

(01:16:47):
Watch it when it comes out on Disney Plus.

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
Yeah, I agree with that. It was an okay movie.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
It was cool Marvel MC you ended with endgame for me,
so you know, it's to my point about Jurassic Park.
They should have stopped after the third one easily stopped
after Endgame. You don't, It's okay. End off on a
great note. That's a fantastic film. You could watch end
Game all the way back to the first Iron Man.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
It's a lot of movies.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
It's twenty three or twenty two movies, and you know what,
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
They're all pretty freaking good.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
They are pretty.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
Freaking so they did a really good job and then
they should have just stopped.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
Yep, you don't need to agree. It's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Well they're trying to hang on, and maybe Thunderbolts Fantastic
four coming out later this year, maybe they kind of
bring it back.

Speaker 5 (01:17:26):
But I found how you felt about Captain America is
how I feel about seeing Thunderbolts.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Those other films. Seems cool and like like like I'm
not I'm not gonna America. Brave New World isn't even
worth saying. Spoiler warning. Spoiler warning had me like, oh
my gosh, yeah, I can't yo, can this come out tomorrow? Yeah?
I was at and this is just kind of like, yeah,
there's nothing that has me anticipating it. So and Brave

(01:17:53):
New World is entirely forgettable. But it's not a bad movie,
and it's just getting their hate is overblown.

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
If you're out there, I just need you. Do we
make blade or make another blade?

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
If you do that. Herschel Ali does not have a heat.
Some director has not joined him on the project. So
that's that's the tough thing find that happened. So I
don't know. I just marvel very mid right now and
I just just for those things. We need you, please,
James Gunn, please don't you screw it up. All right,
We will be back next week, justinally back. We will

(01:18:22):
talk about the finale of Paradise and as this podcast
has really become a Paradise podcast. No right, this is
the new show of the pod. So thank you everybody.
Once again. I see Kid two o six at anders
Hurst at Jackson on radio. Follow us. We vote on
the Star Wars draft that we did a little bit

(01:18:42):
earlier with you Shuant as well. We thank him for
stopping by two and thank you all for listening. We
will talk to you next week with more Paradise, a
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