April 30, 2025 • 43 mins
Tonight on Hollywood Weekly, Jackson Felts and Anderson Hirst get up to date on The Last Of Us and Andor, recapping the continued second seasons for each show.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
That was an idea.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I felt like I was gonna spak. Yeah, I'm not
sure what to do with my hand. You have part
of my attention, you have the minimum amount.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
What name?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Who are you steal? Some men just want to watch
the world.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Let's see a drinking one.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Is that because you think you're fat? Let's rock, Let's
drop today. I think that actually kind of came over.
I'm sorry for the It's all right.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You never can put the buttons and then you can
input the intro at the beginning again.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
But basically it just sounds like, at this point, welcome
into Hollywood. Wekad everybody, just the two of us, Jackson
Feltz Anderson Hurst here as this is kind of a
little bit of an abbreviated I guess edition of Hollywood Weekly,
no Christopher kid, because the two of us are really
gonna and we knew we needed to do this because honestly,
we didn't put an out an episode last week because
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of the NFL draft that draft today, yeah either, and
no draft today and so much work over the last
week we didn't get out of Hollywood Weekly. So thus
we decided to kind of come back in for I
don't know forty minutes however long we go today to
basically just react to I think the two biggest things
going on right now in the media world when it
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comes to you know, entertainment television. And that's a Last
of Us on Max no longer HBO and Max no
longer HBO, it's just Max. And then secondly, and Or
and Or is back on Disney Plus we have episodes one, two, three,
and four, five, six all out. They're doing the whole thing.
We're in four consecutive weeks. They're releasing three episodes every week.
(01:38):
Gilroy has talked about it being basically a movie every
single week, and that's what we're getting. So we have
to talk Last of Us, and we have to talk
and Or and Boy, there's a lot to talk about
with both of them.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, which way do you want to start? I watched
Full Disclosure, a little peak behind the curtain here. I
love when we do this, I literally because I've had
such a busy weekend and with the NFL Draft coming here. See,
I had not caught up on either show and they
are my two favorite things going right now. And I
just before this episode, I binged all three of the
most recent episodes of and Or, and I'm about three
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quarters of the way to two thirds of the way
through the Last of Us newest episode as well, so yeah,
I'm fine with starting with either one.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I think I think Last of Us is the place
that we need to start. I think it is the bigger.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Cultural phenomenon right now. I mean, the.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Crazy thing is is the fact that, like, where were
pigs and poop?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Man, I mean, like the quality of television we're getting
across not only these but I think all of television
right now, but these two especially, it's just it's immaculate.
It's absolute cinema in the words of Scorsez.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, and the other thing is you mentioned at the
top of the show, these are the two biggest things
in medias in like TV and Hollywood right now. As
our podcast goes, I ventured a thought and I want
to get your thoughts on this, that these two shows
for me at least and pretty clearly are the two
best shows of this decade so far. We're almost about
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halfway through this decade already, which is weird to me.
But and Or and Last of Us right now, I
think take the cake at least for me.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
For me, I have a number of shows still above them,
Ted Lasso, I have above both of them. Fair at this,
I mean, this is the funny thing right now, at
this moment, after seeing episodes four or five, six, I
want to put and Or above Mandalorian. I think I
have to wait. I think you're right. I have to
wait for the season to be fully done. But like
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if I was being honest with myself right now, and
Or four or five six has jumped it into my
top ten all time.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, I'm not a big Mando guy. Hold on, Also, Mando,
the best of Mando was pre well, the first season
was twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Okay, well, okay, so most of it was in twenty twenties.
But I'm not a huge Mando guy. Again, I think
the first season is probably the best, and then the
end of season two is fine.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
But I would still have Silo above Last of Us.
I still have. I did put the first season of
Paradise over Last of Us just because I like it more.
There's a difference between quality of TV versus just how
much I personally am into it. I'm personally very into Paradise,
but the Last of Us I didn't play the game,
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so I'm not as into it, but ultimately, like I
have right now, I have Last of Us twenty seven
all time on my list, Like it's pretty freaking good.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I mean, that's high for you, because I know how
long your list is underd and twenty four deep. Now
that's incredibly low for me. It's at least top five
for me. And honestly, these two might just be ted
losses up there for me. These two might be one
and two of my all time shows in terms of
like just everything involved there special.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Man, they're very, very good.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
So let's start with Last of Us because I think
we did we talk about episode one, the last episode.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I think we did episode one, but we haven't talked
about the biggest one, the bigger one. So I think
before we get into either Last of Them Us or
and Or four or five six, a big.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Old spoiler alert.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Spoiler spoilers, spoilers, lots and lots of spoilers ahead for
both Last of Us and and Or All Right, if
you haven't seen Last of Us, if you haven't seen
Last of Us and you haven't seen and Or up
through six and up through episode three of Last of Us,
then you want to just pause this and go watch
those and get us back.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
What are you doing if you haven't watched them? I
don't really they are the two biggest things, all right,
Last of Us.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Joel is dead.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, he's dead. Joel's dead.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I was trying to hold this secret in for so long,
and I saw so many memes on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
When I was so glad I stayed away.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Well no, no, just like mutied words baby, but not
even like it was like, oh, people that are watching
Last of Us for the first time without playing the
video game, you don't realize how big of a secret
we've had to keep for so long.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I mean, this really was the thing, and I mean,
you know, for me, at the end of episode two,
I was very deeply emotional shape emotionally shakey, Yes, and
I have I had some takes in the moment, and
I had some thoughts in the moment that I his
obviously were very influenced by the fact that I was
extremely hurt. And then you have to take some time
to process and you have to really think through. Listen
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to the the the show Companion podcast with all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is so good and Troy Breaker, who voices, of course.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Joel in the video game, and listening to them thinking
through it, just emotionally processing his death, because even just
one season of television makes you so connected to a character.
And once I processed all those things, I would say
the concern was still there of how do we move
forward in a show without Joel? Yes, there'll be flashbacks,
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but how do we move forward? And the way I
kind of thought about it, dude, was all right. Basically,
those first two episodes of season two almost felt like
the final two episodes of season one in the sense
of this is this is this story right, and them
getting to Jackson Wyan and then you know, starting their
lives in this town, and then there was just a
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time jump, but nonetheless it was part of this overall arc,
the story of them moving and being together and you know,
us against the world into Jackson. But now episode three
works as almost a new pilot. It's almost a it's
a new show in a sense of now we have
Ellie being the catalyst, the main character, and it's her
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journey now. And I didn't necessarily know if that was
going to work or hold me or or or kind
of just if the new show, because it really he's
a sort of a new show was going to was
going to move forward with as much oomth and passion
and everything with it. But damn if they didn't do
a tremendous job in episode three of just turning the gears,
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making you feel that emotion, processing it with you, and
then saying all right back on the saddle, quite literally,
here we go into the next version of the show.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
So I don't I didn't think about it that way
in terms of you saying it's a new pilot. I
maybe I'm biased again because the first season is literally
the first game. So that was the end for me
for season one, and I thought it was perfect. I
also think it's more just you being used to like
big deaths, big things happening at the end of seasons
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and then a new beginning at the beginning of seasons.
I almost like how it's not that way because it
takes you off guard and it's like, oh, that makes
it less expectable exactly, And so that's why I like it,
And it forces you to cope with these emotions, almost
like a character in this universe when you're not ready to, like, Okay,
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we haven't watched a full season of Joel. I want
more Joel. No, you don't get to choose that that's
not how life works. And Ellie's feeling the same way,
Dina's feeling the same way, Tommy's feeling the same way.
I'm just gonna go through my notes real quick. Please
number one score score score Wow, last of Us score
maybe the best team the show score non movie. I mean,
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it's I think it's so masterfully done. It's slight differences
from the game, but it's it's so so so well done.
The moments where the Qatar comes in. Gustavo Santo Santa
Laija is how you pronounce it. He's from Argentina, of course,
but he does both the game and the show, and
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it's just it. It hits, man, it hits so so
so hard. For me, Tommy is better in the show
than in the game.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
For me.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I think Tommy's character, especially in this third episode, is
really kind of starting to grab me a little bit,
and I really really like kind of and this will
be a theme as we go into things.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Well, while you're on, while you're on, the thought that
Tommy his scene with Catherine O'Hara, the therapist character in
the outfield of the baseball game, that's coming, that's coming,
So continue well, we'll talk about that scene.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
We'll do it now. We'll do it now, because I.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Thought that scene and the subtlety and like sort of
what are we actually talking about here and what's the
actual conversation inside of the conversation is awesome. I mean, yeah,
she's she's amazing. And they talked about it on the
show podcast too. That that how comedy actors can make
the best drama actors. We've seen that time and time again.
And Catherine o'harad obviously heals in It's Creek and she's
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an absolute force of nature here. But that conversation with them,
you know, and talking about just the nature of Ellie
and the nature of Joel and the nature of who
these people are and who is saveable and what does
it mean to be saved?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Such a nature versus nurture.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Remarkable conversation and scene, And that also kind of just
brings you back to the sports, right. It's just like like, oh, yeah,
here's here's the reality of sports now. But that conversation
and then the job that Tommy did in the acting
you get put together in episode three so good.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
A couple quotes Tommy didn't know you were a fan Gail. Hell, yeah,
had Tiger's season tickets. This actually isn't far from the
Three Squad as they're watching like year old's playerball team ever, so.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Funny, just like lays it out there. Just the delivery
is perfect.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And then like they're asking about Ali and then like
Tommy asked, well, what about you?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And then Gail.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Says, well, I'm an alcoholic and I smoke as much
weed as I can. You know, complete effing disaster. But
you're not here about me, are you? And she knows
exactly what it is. Just like the delivery of those
lines such a great scene. Completely agree. So anyways, Tommy's awesome,
Gail's awesome, Ellie and Dina's chemistry is fantastic. I really
actually think there was a high point in the game
as I was going through the emotions of losing Joel
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literally playing through and being the one to kill Joel Wild.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That's another thing we have to talk about because the.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Actual death was Yeah, because we like sometimes we still
we have to we have to talk about episode two,
So let let's do that first before we kind of
get into episode three here, And.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That's a good jumping off point to talk about his death. Yes,
and and the fact that it's just so gruesome, it's
just so dark.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It's worse in the game. It is worse in the game.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
It where because apparently you don't just I mean in
the in the show, it's just a quick golf club
through the neck side note, I now hate even golf
more than I already did. Yeah, but like it's pretty
quick and disgusting, but like in the game, I heard,
you don't have that that quick.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And it's the scenery too, like there's an open window
so it's kind of light, which it was a little
bit different for me for the game. I think I
saw a tweet on this you literally are in like
this basement of the creaking dark building and it literally
the quote was on Twitter that I saw was like
it literally felt like you were in the deepest part
of hell when that happens. And it's like it's so
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gruesome and gross and like it but it makes you
feel everything you're supposed to.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I think it was a bold choice, even though it's
exactly what happened in the game to kill off Joel
this quickly. But I I'm the more I watch the show,
the more I listen to the podcast that goes along
with show. The more I like it, the more I
like that they didn't deviate from that, they didn't try
and lean into it.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And we're starting to get.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Into it here with see episode three, because other characters
are having more of a coming out party.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Tommy is one of those. I think Dina is one of.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Those, Sale Jesse, all of these people that you wouldn't
maybe have the opportunity to see, and especially Ellie in
a new light. With Joel kind of the main guy
taking most of the screen time, you're seeing like a
development of those characters that you wouldn't have seen.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I'm not sure how much time we'll spend in Jackson
now that Ellie and Dina have left Jackson and gone
to Seattle. I'm not sure how much we'll go back.
And it may change from the game. You never even know,
and I don't want to know what the game did,
but like, I think the dynamic of how Jackson functions
and the council, and there was an interesting shot of
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where kind of Tommy's pounding something into the ground, rebuilding
some building, and he kind of just kind of seeds
to Jesse and saying, now, okay, I'm getting it's very so,
and it makes me interested in, Okay, what is the
future of this town, how does the council develop? You know,
Ellie and Dina leaving, how does that change the dynamic
of that town. You're not going to bring in Catherine
Harra and just use her for a couple episodes now maybe,
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but then again, they killed off Pedro Pascal, so they
can do anything with big actors. But ultimately, I'm so
interested in the continuation of seeing how this community, how
this society in a world where society has fallen and broken,
how does this society and community continue to function.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
So one of the reasons in the game that I
think this whole Joel dying wasn't done as well as
it has been done in the show is because you first,
you don't know enough about Abby, the one who kills Joel,
and you just kind of switched to that character. You're
swapping back and forth between Abby and Ellie, and you
kind of swap to this character not knowing who she's about,
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and then you kill Joel, and then after Joel dies,
you spend a ton of time learning about Abby, and
I didn't think that was a great way to endear
the players I guess you could say to the character
that just killed off everyone's favorite guy.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
So you like the way I liked more in the show.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
In the show where they beforehand, they kind of they
opened the season on it. They showed her motivations, and
then after you're you're seeing more the reaction. You're you're
looking into Ellie, you're looking into to Tommy a little bit.
I love I honestly love Ellie and Dina's chemistry. It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
So I'm eager to explore that a little Bitsabelle.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Ohmer said it should be noted just the way she
plays off of Bella Ramsey is is the scene where
she kind of says, hey, okay, I'm going to give
you cookies.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I bake you cookies, but I'm gonna piss you off.
Don't be mad at me.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
But I was withholding all this information and I'm ready
to go to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
She knew her so well.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
And then after the council, by the way, Ellie's speech
to the council awesome, saying how was it for her?
It's for all of you guys, it's not even for true.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well that was all that I mean, she didn't believe
any of what she was saying because she could. I
don't think so it all because I think the guy
in front of her, whatever his name was, the I
don't know what the word homophobe, I guess whatever, but
like he's the one who was saying, you know, you're
all idiots, and he's the one who said I think
what she truly feels. And then she's kind of like, oh,
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nobody's responding to this. Nobody's responding. It's like what Jesse
said to her the night before. Nobody's responding to anger. Yeah,
I know he have to really go on the emotional side,
even though maybe I don't fully believe it myself.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah's the way I interpret And I could see a
lot of that, and you could tell how angry she
actually is. Oh yeah, But I do think there's some
truth to what she was saying. And she said, like,
if any of you guys would ever get hurt or
your loved ones would I would do the same thing.
It's not just because it's this guy. And I think
there's an element of that to her. And I think
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having a community of people that she loves and hopefully
that love her back, is something that's really important to her. Now,
this is obviously a aggravated incident because of someone that's
super close to her, So there is that anger fact,
but I don't think what she was saying was necessarily false.
But that doesn't mean that there isn't a revenge factor
as well, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, I think that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I think for her in a lot of these episodes,
I mean one of the first things he has her
in the hospital bed that scream reliving the death, and
then her kind of just really just trying to play
the therapist Catherine here, just really trying to be like
I'm going to say whatever I need to say to
get out of this room right now. And in the
moment she's out of the room, the facial acting by Bella,
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and we can talk about a lot of great acting
in this, but Bella Ramsey, I mean, like, I was
not familiar with your Gamella, as she walks down the hall,
and you watched kind of the and you picked it out,
I think perfectly. The lights above her as she walks
down the hall, and every single time her face is lit,
she's transitioning from hah, I just got out of this
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room too. Oh my god, I'm pissed off, I'm a
I'm pissed off. B I'm heartbroken. And see now I'm
alone and like because because it was her and Joel
and and yes she has Dina, but it's this was
this was her dad basically yeah, and she realizes, Okay,
I have to go back home to A to a
and boy that scene, man, that that scene where where
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she's with his jacket and.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Not enough, not enough for me. Well, they didn't spend
enough time in there because in the game. Uh, there's
with these types of games, there's like an objective. You
have to find something, you have to you have to
do something in order to move on to the next
story point. Right, that's not the case. When you go
and visit this house. You you walk in, you can spend
as much time you can look in every room. There's
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an easter egg in every single room of something from
their relationship. There's a picture in the bathroom, there's there's
this random little I honestly haven't played it in so long,
but uh, and then once you open up the thing
with the watch in it, that's when you move on
to the next cut scene. So you could do you
could go through the entire house for as long as
you want and find all these little things.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
The smell of the jacket, like we all know we
connect smells to memories, right, that's obvious. And like the
fact that she then has the jacket in connects as
a view where you're like, yeah, she's she smells.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
You remember what the watch is from. It's his daughter,
right right.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
In the very first episode of the first season, his
daughter gives him that for his birthday, so it's kind
of being passed down throughout. And then Tommy of course,
at the beginning of the of the episode says, say,
how to Sarah send Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Send my love to Sarah. Yes, that's right.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, but so, yeah, fantastic scene, great stuff. And then
they visit the uh the grave as well.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Oh wow with the coffee beans because Joel was loved coffee.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Is just always was drinking coffee. I mean, my god,
it's just it's just tremendous.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And also, as we kind of also bring in the
episode to uh, Caitlin Deaver the job. It's an actress,
she's kind of still young in her career. I love
the movie Book Smart. Book Smart was kind of I
think super Bad part two, super Bad for the for
the gen Z is probably the best way to say it.
And and she plays one of the main characters in
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books Smart and is incredible, absolutely incredible in that movie.
And and she shows up kind of this this probably
you'd say, is her big break. And she from the
obviously you feel the emotions in the first episode and
you can't see Okay, she's and I even told you
the first episode. Yeah, she's gonna kill Joel. I just
didn't expect to.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Be that fast.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
And obviously you know it's it's it's complicated by the
fact that Joel then saves her before she kills him.
But the speech that she gives to Joel and says,
you know, you stupid old man, this is not going
to be fast like I'm gonna you know, this is
gonna be long and drawn out, and I'm gonna make
you feel all of this and just the pain in
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all of her words.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Caylen Dear does an insane job as as abby and
clearly somebody who is so destroyed emotional, and I can't
wait for more of her when we get really deep
into Seattle.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, and I'm curious as too.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Well, let me put this lightly without spilling anything for
you how deep they explore the other characters in her gang,
because in the game there's there's some stuff there. I
won't say anything more. I wonder if we kind of
see it from her perspective as in the game again,
or if it's just gonna be a an Ellie and
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Dina show, which I would not mind at all, By.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
The way, I don't think I would any I had
some some trepidations an episode ago.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Not anymore. No, it's it's such good stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
But I just want to say about episode two, so
the one where Joel dies and we're we're kind of
forgetting the whole Horde entering Jackson and that whole like
people don't understand how hard that is to execute with
so many extras, and then add it in CGI, which
you don't notice.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I don't notice at least at all.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It's crazy how how hard it is those types of big,
big cut scenes UH are are to execute, and I
think they did it flawlessly. It reminded me. It reminded
me of a long, long night in the last season
of Game of Thrones, which I know a lot of
people kind of are feel very split on that one.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I was a big fan of it. I think this
out does it that.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
But that combined with the the kind of emotional points
of the of the Joel dying and uh, you know,
Caitlin's motivation and then Ellie and seeing it all happen. Uh,
there's I think it's just so incredibly well done. And
when when a show and we'll talk about this soon
with and or when a show puts you on the
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edge of your seat like the entire time, feeling tense,
like you don't know what's going to happen, and you're
you're you're anxious, that that's a good thing. I think
it makes you like means you're invested into what's going on.
When when it does that and you know it's gonna
happened as I did, that means that's elite because I
knew everything that was going to happen, and I still
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was on the edge of my seat like clamoring, like,
oh my god, what's about to happen? So I that
I I think it's my favorite, one of my all
time favorite TV episodes of all time. I put it
above uh.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Long long time.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Oh yeah, the Bill and Frank Season one. I put
it above that just.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
And that's fair.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I mean I still have the long, long time above that,
but a long, long time, long long night.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
That's a little bit amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
No, no, no, but I mean you mentioned the Game of
Thrones episode The Long Night, So no, but ultimately to say,
I mean, it's a tremendous.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Hour of television.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, it's it's simply incredible, and all of the work
that went into it, and the fact that you have
these multiple things going on, so you're staying just on
your you know, just on your toes the entire time, sweating,
you know what, the entire time. It was such a
well crafted episode, the heartbreak to the point of like
you know, there there they're you know, Jackson's obviously mostly destroyed. Uh,
(24:08):
and then a guy got bit and he just hands
over a gun to say, you know, just show this.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Just those kind of moments. Uh, A little bit, I.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Won't mention a little bit convenient that Tommy uses the
flamethrower on the bloater and just a little convenient, like
the Bloater dies just at the exact second he's about
to kill Tommy. That's that's a small little gripe. This
doesn't spoil anything for you, because I know you you
stopped right before they walk to Seattle. I just wanted
(24:39):
to make this public and say this because it's the
biggest scripe I've had with the show so far. This
does not spoil anything for you or anybody who may
have stopped right in your spote. Okay, so they enter Seattle.
They talked about entering Seattle from the north. We're gonna
enter Seattle from the north, and a lot of shows
and movies do this, so this is not just specifically.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
About the last of us I know.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Okay, they're entering Seattle from the north. They have this
great shot where they show even a sign that says
Seattle nine miles Tacoma x miles, Portland x miles.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You can see it kind of a little city, so
you can imagine it's I five coming south and you
can see the city through the trees. It's great as this,
I think this is right out of the game. As
they approach downtown Seattle, it's from the south. You literally
see Seattle, downtown Seattle from the south.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
If you're if you're coming to Seattle from the north,
and you make it.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
A story point, an actual story point coming to Seattle
from the north.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
They mentioned snow Qualmi.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's very good, lots of good detail, and then you
show them entering downtown from the south. Come on, guys,
how freaking hard is it to know what the view
from Seattle from the south versus north.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Is you idiots? Come on?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I wonder how many of the cast or crew have
visited Seattle on zero.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I mean, like, listen, it's it's a very small thing,
but and it only affects us for people who lived here,
our whole lives exactly. That's just how hard is it?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Was it cool to see Seattle really really cool? Okay,
because it's really cool in the game too.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
There's there's a there you only see about five seconds
of downtown Seattle. Well maybe a little more of us.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
You see you only see a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Downtown Seattle at the very end of the episode, And
I was like, yep, those are the streets I drive
on a daily.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Basis, Like, that's that's pretty cool. That is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So I mean like, and you'll see it too, And
I think they nailed it, And I'm so excited for
where the show goes from here. Jeffrey Wright's now entering
the cast. Jeffrey Wright of Westworld and James Bond Felix
Lighter is who we played there so many amazing roles,
and American Fiction is a tremendous movie that he was in.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
One of my favorite actors, so.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Him from You Know Caitlin Deaver, Tabella Ramsey, Isabella Ohmer
said an interesting thing about you Know her, her gang,
Abby's gang that I want to know more about the way.
I am so back into the show in the emotional
crux I felt after Joel died, I am okay now,
and I'm so ready for the next version of the
Last Year.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
My last thing before we moved to and Or on
the Last of Us is I was also a little
worried because in the game, I don't think they executed
it perfectly. Now I like it better than others do.
A lot of people absolutely hate it. I like it
better than others do because it's not supposed to be convenient.
It's not supposed to be everything we want, right, That's
not how life works, and I love how this demonstrates
that in that way. But I think it's being done
(27:30):
so much better in the show about I don't know
if it's just the quality of having to be a
TV show instead of a video game. The ability to
jump back and forth between different storylines and not just
play with one character, I think adds to that. I
was also worried because Joel was also my favorite character
in the whole show. I'm just going to say that
right now. But I'm learning to love other characters more
(27:52):
in this show, more than I did in the game,
more than I have earlier in the show, and I
think it's leaving a room for other people to grow from.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Into television Sundays on Max Righteous Gemstones has its series
finale coming out this Sunday, and you know where where
if that was done, there may have not been any
other Max content.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
But uh boy, we we are.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We are cooking right now and we are eating good
with the last of us hard on.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
It's hard for me to put one of these above
the other because I can't right now.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And Now and Or.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, so in spoiler alert for and Or, we have
not even talked about episodes one through three yet, So
at this point we are we are talking episodes.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
One through six.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I think we can breeze one through three and say
it was okay. ARC it was kind of just a
lot of episodes. Third episode was very good, and the
way the third episode ended was very good, with just
the lots of contrast of the situations for each character
and how they very are clearly not even the opposite
(28:50):
of mirroring.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
They are very distinct dichotomy almost very much so.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
But it just the first arc of one two three
really does kind of I think, set the stage for
where these characters are at for the rest of the season,
which is the three years leading up of course to
the events of Rogue one and then New Hope, et cetera,
et cetera. Uh I, unless I don't have too many
thoughts on one two three, I'd love to spend some
time talking four five, six, but go.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Ahead, uh, just quick.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
On one two three, I like the uh, the immigrant
kind of storyline. That was the best part with bis
uh and and not casting at the time because he
was still trying to find his way back from stealing.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Wasting his wasting time.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, it's just I think it's just to make it
a little more tense, which is fine because what what's
the big guy's name, Brasso?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
He dies and then they're trying to hide away in
this like farm planet, and then the Imperials are supposed
to have not a big presence there. Then they they
come and do like a sweep or like an audit
or whatever you want to see.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Attempted rape scene was very disturbing.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, and that was a big contentious point in Star
Wars because a lot of Star Wars fans don't really
want that kind of content in Star Wars its life. Yeah,
and I get it, Like I get the sentiment of like, Okay,
I'm trying to get away from real life.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
That's why I'm watching Star Wars. And so there's like an.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Elemandor and or in general deals with real life subjects exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
And I think this is this is like I think
who was the one that said I think it was
Stelle's Scars guard said, this is adult star Wars. I
think the rest of Star Wars is for kids. Honestly,
it's mostly for kids, and I still enjoy it. But
this is adult Star Wars and the subjects that it tackles,
I got it. And my favorite part of the prequels
(30:36):
and one of the Rizzies I like them so much
is because it tackles the politics of how the Empire
got to be what it is and how everything found
its way to that point and and or takes that
to another level. It does, and I love it the
dynamic of mon Mathma trying to figure out what's going on,
trying to get votes for this thing to protect a planet.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Oh good, she's such a good actress.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
And then Stone Scarsguard's character who plays has a two
double double life just to try and stay in the know.
And then I think Claya, his assistant, is such a
good actor.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I think I think the question of who's the MVP
of the show, she's in the discussion, I think MVP
so far.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
It's her and Bicks. For me, those are the two
I would throw Cyril in there. Yeah, you're a big
serial guy. I'm I'm not as big on him.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I think, like I'm just so happy for him.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, I think he doesn't and I'll talk about he
does such a good job, and I'm happy they didn't
make it just a rebel viewpoint sort of show where
they have the viewpoint from Dedra and from Cyreal.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
You see their motivation characters, and it's almost like a
train wreck that you know is going to happen, but
you you just want to watch it, and that's that's
what I think.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It makes it so so, so damn good.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Same kind of thing as I was talking about with
the Last of Us, except I don't know exactly what's
gonna happen, but you can kind of tell when it's
super tense.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
And the the wedding scene, the.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Wedding in the first three episodes was have that was
the most tense I was out of all of them.
It was so weird, Like I felt for mon Mathma's
like just eagerness to find out something that works.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
When the daughter says to her, I wish you were
drunk right now, she's drunk, and then she gets drunk,
and like that line was so rough, like I wish
you were drunk right now because you should not be,
Like I.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Wish you weren't, weren't just talking to me the way
you are.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
And she she can tell her daughter's not ready to
get married and she doesn't really want it, and she
the only reason she's doing this is so she can
be politically tie kind of what they do in Game
of Thrones. They get they get married to the people
that they probably don't like as much, but it's for
political reasons. Yeah, and oh god, it's all so good.
I love dealing with this kind of stuff, and like,
I love how Star Wars has kind of gone down
(32:49):
to a ground level sort of thing and it's adult
Star Wars. It's adult Star Wars, and it's so good.
That's just in episodes one through three. I don't know what.
Let's get into four.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Five I didn't want.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
They just wasted Cassie in and I loved and I
think just rated it in with it with the three
stooges of this group and they ultimately are in this
forest and nothing comes of it.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
It's just like, what the hell ever?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
But yeah, let's let's get into four or five six,
because I think where I want to start.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
We can get into specifics.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
But for me, when we talk about and or its
obviously in these arcs, the al Donnie heist and of
course the prison breakout right of course, and the final
arc of coming back to Paris, all these are arcs.
The first three episodes was an arc. Uh, these four
or five six is a very clear arc and it's
the next stage of Gorman, of that whole situation of
(33:36):
the heist in Gorman and kind of the rebel group
building in Gorman, h kind of the forming of this
rebel group in their first big blow, first big attack.
That's the arc of this four or five six. And
when I think of the best arcs in and or
so far, you think of Aldnni, you think about the
prison breakout, and you think of this, and I think,
(34:00):
I think the prison breakout is one for me. And
then it becomes very difficult thinking about if it's this
arc four, five six, or if it's the al Donni heist.
It might be Aldanni by just a hair, But my god,
this arc, these three episodes were some of the best
(34:21):
Star Wars content period they've ever produced.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, I think it's just fantastic television. And the fact
that it's in the Star Wars universe makes it that
much more interesting to diehard fans. Even though mostly the
diehard fans love it when they do fan service, this
is not a fan service show. There. You don't know
many of the characters. There's not like there's lightsabers galore.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
And there's Arganah.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, it's like bail Arghana, Like, what's that's the big character?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Driver?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Right? I have Although I do wonder if we're I
almost know for a fact we're gonna see them off Tarkin,
which is gonna be awesome, by the way, And I wonder,
oh yeah, I wonder, jeez, I wonder if there's going
to be an Emperor appearance, which would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
They keep referencing him, which would.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Be awesome because obviously we're getting Ben Mendelssohn in all
of the best Ben Mendelssohn that we're just he is
cooking right.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Now, so good.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
But I mean, that's that's kind of the biggest character
in Star Wars lore we've gotten, I mean in terms
of like meaning to the Empire, meaning to the rebellion,
like that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, And I just I love how they haven't leaned
into that. It's all about the storytelling and God, I
the whole Gorman, Like you, the biggest thing I kind
of gathered from this whole thing is you.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Can tell what's at stake.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, you can tell how important these things are, how
these characters are starting to unravel emotionally. Mon Mathma, I think,
is a great example that the more you watch her,
the less in control she feels absolutely even more with
Luthan too, who always felt like he was in control
all the way through season one. He had everything under control.
He's starting to lose it now. I think Cassian and
(36:01):
Or are starting to realize it. And something I noticed,
I don't know if this is just a coincidence. I
noticed everyone's starting to pair up.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Not only that, but you start to see those pairs
starting to take more risks. Yes, you start to see them,
you know, because they do feel like the walls are
closing in a little bit. So you see that that
Luthen and his assistant are being a little more daring
in their communication.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Cyro and Dedra more sent unveil, Cassian and Bis, all.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
These all these pairings are being just in the very
very last scene of the episode six where they blow
up and they kill the guy who played the thing
in Bix's.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Ears and which just the torture device, the.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Torture device, right, so she kills him and they blow
up a whole floor of the Empire building. So, like,
you know, all these pairings are becoming more daring because
they feel that we're a little less in control now,
so we have to be a little bit more, you know,
out there with our actions to try to move the
rebellion forward.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, and I just can't wait to I could tell
this is just going to be a just satisfying watch
when you finished season two of and Or, and then
you can go straight into Rogue one, and then you
can go straight into episode four.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
God, that's gonna be so good.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I mean, really that that whole thing of season one
to season two, to Rogue one, to New Hope, to Empire,
It's just gonna be because I mean, honestly, I think
I think this whole thing and getting into specifics, I
think the heist itself in episode six is excellent. Sinta dying,
but leading up into that.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
You really love speech and really.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
The thing where you're gonna be making up for this
your entire life. Great speeches all round. The scene with
Sagerera at the end of episode five where he's kind
of just talking about like, you know, kind of it's
it's a little bit of a metaphor to like, breathing
in these fumes is sort of just like breathing the
rebellion really really become like I am, become like we are,
(37:52):
and it's time. It's time to it's time to step
up and become a new level of new level I
suppose of a rebel.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, And I just I had to put this in here.
I saw this as a tweet, but it made me laugh.
Luthan getting a little upset about Bix taking the sleeping pills,
and then Soger being.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Like hoff in the gas boy, that's freedom. I'm like, whoa,
okay there. Honestly, I think they're they're nailing the speeches
in this arc. Yes, they're nailing.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
The moments where you you do, honestly kind of start
to see the rebellion teetering and saying, you know it's
gonna work. You know where this is all leading, but
to your point of last of Us, you know where
this is going, and it still keeps you on the
edge of your seat. You know Cassie and Or is
going to live. You know certain are going to die.
You know these things are going to happen, but you
(38:46):
don't know how, and it's keeping you on such the
edge of your seat. And four or five six was
so well crafted, and you just can't wait to see
where we go in the in the next two arcs.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
This is the best live action Star Wars content. Yes,
is it better than Empire?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I've said that it's for me, for me, now it's again.
I'm gonna go back to the conversation earlier. It's in
my top ten shows of all time after this last
four or five six, And I'm the best Star Wars.
I'm a Star Trek fan. I've never been too big
on Star Wars. I do like Star Wars quite a lot,
but I'm like, I'm not as high on Empire as
(39:23):
as a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Or New Hope.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
There's a lot of other big Star Wars fans. So
ultimately seeing adult Star Wars, seeing grounded Star Wars, seeing
the birth the character development, but the birth of the
rebellion and all of this, this is where I mean,
since why Star Trek two doo and nine is my
favorite Star Trek Why because of character development, introduction and
really building a whole building something right and and or
(39:46):
feels like you're building something, You're building the base of
this rebellion, and they do it in such a beautiful way.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
And my last thing, Man, they do monologues, right, There's
so many of them, and I'm trying to think of
a good one that was in regular and I can't
think of one. It's not really a monologue type of movie,
at least they aren't. So I'm I think, like you said,
this is this is something where the writing takes over
Uh and you you get these impassioned speeches from uh
(40:17):
Luthen in the first season that was my favorite one
in season one. Then you get the one way out
from what's his name in the the prison breakout. Then
you get Marva's at the end of season one. Then
you now you get UH and Ors to Bicks when
they're like trying to figure out what the hell is
going on, and Ors like we're at war now, like
(40:39):
this is this is what it is.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
This is the reality, and like we don't get to
just go go to parks now, we don't get to
live like a happy couple, Like no, like we we are.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
We are now in full different mode.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
We are war to vell when after Santadize talking to
the guy who brought the weapon when they told him
not to.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, there's so many, so many good ones, and I
just god, I love it. I love it. I can't
wait for seven eight nine.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I think we're looking at the best Star Wars content
of all time in this show. And yes, it'll end
up being, you know, twenty four episodes, so it's hard
to compare twenty four episodes to a movie it's impossible
to do that because this four or five, six was
just three hours, right or just under three hours, and
it's impossible to compare, you know, a one hundred minute
movie to three hours of this. And also kind of
(41:24):
you're just think of the effects and the storytelling and
how overall, like just they're really just prime for this
to be to be really good. And I think they're
just heading on all fronts and making sure that every
character gets their deserved time while leading the story forward.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
And you know, it feels all earned. Yeah, it feels earned.
And then the big thing is the stakes.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
For me, you can tell exactly exactly like you feel
these things with the characters, and like I said, it
makes you anxious and you can't wait to see what
happens next.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I don't have much much more to say. This is
near perfection and which we'll hire for you and or
last us and or.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
And and or is pretty clear. For me, I think
it's I think we best best the last decade. For me,
it's Ted Lasso and then and Or, and it's that
close and ultimately, by the end of this, if if
they end up having a you know of seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.
If they have two more arcs that were like this arc,
(42:24):
we could be talking Top five.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Well, and remember what happened season one to The first
three were like, oh, pretty good, the second one was like, oh, Lee,
this is really good, third one was like what and
then the fourth one rounded it all out perfectly. So
I think I would not be surprised that's the case.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I don't have too much more to say it than
and or all right, well we are again, We're pigs
and poop. Such good TV right now. These are the
two things the big I'm watching. Also your Friends and
Neighbors on Apple I'm watching that's a good show. But
other than that, not too much more. As we are
in just the prime. We knew this was gonna be
the case a month ago.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
We're just in.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
We're just I told you I was waiting for it
because I knew I would sick my teeth into it.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Here we go, last of us on Sundays and and
or on Tuesdays. It's good times overall, everybody, enjoy the
rest of your week. This has been Hollywood Weekly at
Jackson on a radio at Andershurst where you follow us.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
We'll be back maybe next week.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Maybe who knows with Christopher Kidd for more stuff, but
glad we could give you some last of us on
and or coverage.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Have a very good rest of your week. Everybody foul do,
don't kick.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
That'll do.
That was an idea.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I felt like I was gonna spak. Yeah, I'm not
sure what to do with my hand. You have part
of my attention, you have the minimum amount.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
What name?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Who are you steal? Some men just want to watch
the world.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Let's see a drinking one.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Is that because you think you're fat? Let's rock, Let's
drop today. I think that actually kind of came over.
I'm sorry for the It's all right.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You never can put the buttons and then you can
input the intro at the beginning again.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
But basically it just sounds like, at this point, welcome
into Hollywood. Wekad everybody, just the two of us, Jackson
Feltz Anderson Hurst here as this is kind of a
little bit of an abbreviated I guess edition of Hollywood Weekly,
no Christopher kid, because the two of us are really
gonna and we knew we needed to do this because honestly,
we didn't put an out an episode last week because
(00:56):
of the NFL draft that draft today, yeah either, and
no draft today and so much work over the last
week we didn't get out of Hollywood Weekly. So thus
we decided to kind of come back in for I
don't know forty minutes however long we go today to
basically just react to I think the two biggest things
going on right now in the media world when it
(01:16):
comes to you know, entertainment television. And that's a Last
of Us on Max no longer HBO and Max no
longer HBO, it's just Max. And then secondly, and Or
and Or is back on Disney Plus we have episodes one, two, three,
and four, five, six all out. They're doing the whole thing.
We're in four consecutive weeks. They're releasing three episodes every week.
(01:38):
Gilroy has talked about it being basically a movie every
single week, and that's what we're getting. So we have
to talk Last of Us, and we have to talk
and Or and Boy, there's a lot to talk about
with both of them.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, which way do you want to start? I watched
Full Disclosure, a little peak behind the curtain here. I
love when we do this, I literally because I've had
such a busy weekend and with the NFL Draft coming here. See,
I had not caught up on either show and they
are my two favorite things going right now. And I
just before this episode, I binged all three of the
most recent episodes of and Or, and I'm about three
(02:12):
quarters of the way to two thirds of the way
through the Last of Us newest episode as well, so yeah,
I'm fine with starting with either one.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I think I think Last of Us is the place
that we need to start. I think it is the bigger.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Cultural phenomenon right now. I mean, the.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Crazy thing is is the fact that, like, where were
pigs and poop?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Man, I mean, like the quality of television we're getting
across not only these but I think all of television
right now, but these two especially, it's just it's immaculate.
It's absolute cinema in the words of Scorsez.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, and the other thing is you mentioned at the
top of the show, these are the two biggest things
in medias in like TV and Hollywood right now. As
our podcast goes, I ventured a thought and I want
to get your thoughts on this, that these two shows
for me at least and pretty clearly are the two
best shows of this decade so far. We're almost about
(03:06):
halfway through this decade already, which is weird to me.
But and Or and Last of Us right now, I
think take the cake at least for me.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
For me, I have a number of shows still above them,
Ted Lasso, I have above both of them. Fair at this,
I mean, this is the funny thing right now, at
this moment, after seeing episodes four or five, six, I
want to put and Or above Mandalorian. I think I
have to wait. I think you're right. I have to
wait for the season to be fully done. But like
(03:32):
if I was being honest with myself right now, and
Or four or five six has jumped it into my
top ten all time.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, I'm not a big Mando guy. Hold on, Also, Mando,
the best of Mando was pre well, the first season
was twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Okay, well, okay, so most of it was in twenty twenties.
But I'm not a huge Mando guy. Again, I think
the first season is probably the best, and then the
end of season two is fine.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
But I would still have Silo above Last of Us.
I still have. I did put the first season of
Paradise over Last of Us just because I like it more.
There's a difference between quality of TV versus just how
much I personally am into it. I'm personally very into Paradise,
but the Last of Us I didn't play the game,
(04:18):
so I'm not as into it, but ultimately, like I
have right now, I have Last of Us twenty seven
all time on my list, Like it's pretty freaking good.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I mean, that's high for you, because I know how
long your list is underd and twenty four deep. Now
that's incredibly low for me. It's at least top five
for me. And honestly, these two might just be ted
losses up there for me. These two might be one
and two of my all time shows in terms of
like just everything involved there special.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Man, they're very, very good.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
So let's start with Last of Us because I think
we did we talk about episode one, the last episode.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I think we did episode one, but we haven't talked
about the biggest one, the bigger one. So I think
before we get into either Last of Them Us or
and Or four or five six, a big.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Old spoiler alert.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Spoiler spoilers, spoilers, lots and lots of spoilers ahead for
both Last of Us and and Or All Right, if
you haven't seen Last of Us, if you haven't seen
Last of Us and you haven't seen and Or up
through six and up through episode three of Last of Us,
then you want to just pause this and go watch
those and get us back.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
What are you doing if you haven't watched them? I
don't really they are the two biggest things, all right,
Last of Us.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Joel is dead.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, he's dead. Joel's dead.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I was trying to hold this secret in for so long,
and I saw so many memes on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
When I was so glad I stayed away.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Well no, no, just like mutied words baby, but not
even like it was like, oh, people that are watching
Last of Us for the first time without playing the
video game, you don't realize how big of a secret
we've had to keep for so long.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I mean, this really was the thing, and I mean,
you know, for me, at the end of episode two,
I was very deeply emotional shape emotionally shakey, Yes, and
I have I had some takes in the moment, and
I had some thoughts in the moment that I his
obviously were very influenced by the fact that I was
extremely hurt. And then you have to take some time
to process and you have to really think through. Listen
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to the the the show Companion podcast with all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is so good and Troy Breaker, who voices, of course.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Joel in the video game, and listening to them thinking
through it, just emotionally processing his death, because even just
one season of television makes you so connected to a character.
And once I processed all those things, I would say
the concern was still there of how do we move
forward in a show without Joel? Yes, there'll be flashbacks,
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but how do we move forward? And the way I
kind of thought about it, dude, was all right. Basically,
those first two episodes of season two almost felt like
the final two episodes of season one in the sense
of this is this is this story right, and them
getting to Jackson Wyan and then you know, starting their
lives in this town, and then there was just a
(07:03):
time jump, but nonetheless it was part of this overall arc,
the story of them moving and being together and you know,
us against the world into Jackson. But now episode three
works as almost a new pilot. It's almost a it's
a new show in a sense of now we have
Ellie being the catalyst, the main character, and it's her
(07:27):
journey now. And I didn't necessarily know if that was
going to work or hold me or or or kind
of just if the new show, because it really he's
a sort of a new show was going to was
going to move forward with as much oomth and passion
and everything with it. But damn if they didn't do
a tremendous job in episode three of just turning the gears,
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making you feel that emotion, processing it with you, and
then saying all right back on the saddle, quite literally,
here we go into the next version of the show.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
So I don't I didn't think about it that way
in terms of you saying it's a new pilot. I
maybe I'm biased again because the first season is literally
the first game. So that was the end for me
for season one, and I thought it was perfect. I
also think it's more just you being used to like
big deaths, big things happening at the end of seasons
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and then a new beginning at the beginning of seasons.
I almost like how it's not that way because it
takes you off guard and it's like, oh, that makes
it less expectable exactly, And so that's why I like it,
And it forces you to cope with these emotions, almost
like a character in this universe when you're not ready to, like, Okay,
(08:40):
we haven't watched a full season of Joel. I want
more Joel. No, you don't get to choose that that's
not how life works. And Ellie's feeling the same way,
Dina's feeling the same way, Tommy's feeling the same way.
I'm just gonna go through my notes real quick. Please
number one score score score Wow, last of Us score
maybe the best team the show score non movie. I mean,
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it's I think it's so masterfully done. It's slight differences
from the game, but it's it's so so so well done.
The moments where the Qatar comes in. Gustavo Santo Santa
Laija is how you pronounce it. He's from Argentina, of course,
but he does both the game and the show, and
(09:25):
it's just it. It hits, man, it hits so so
so hard. For me, Tommy is better in the show
than in the game.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
For me.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I think Tommy's character, especially in this third episode, is
really kind of starting to grab me a little bit,
and I really really like kind of and this will
be a theme as we go into things.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Well, while you're on, while you're on, the thought that
Tommy his scene with Catherine O'Hara, the therapist character in
the outfield of the baseball game, that's coming, that's coming,
So continue well, we'll talk about that scene.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
We'll do it now. We'll do it now, because I.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Thought that scene and the subtlety and like sort of
what are we actually talking about here and what's the
actual conversation inside of the conversation is awesome. I mean, yeah,
she's she's amazing. And they talked about it on the
show podcast too. That that how comedy actors can make
the best drama actors. We've seen that time and time again.
And Catherine o'harad obviously heals in It's Creek and she's
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an absolute force of nature here. But that conversation with them,
you know, and talking about just the nature of Ellie
and the nature of Joel and the nature of who
these people are and who is saveable and what does
it mean to be saved?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Such a nature versus nurture.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Remarkable conversation and scene, And that also kind of just
brings you back to the sports, right. It's just like like, oh, yeah,
here's here's the reality of sports now. But that conversation
and then the job that Tommy did in the acting
you get put together in episode three so good.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
A couple quotes Tommy didn't know you were a fan Gail. Hell, yeah,
had Tiger's season tickets. This actually isn't far from the
Three Squad as they're watching like year old's playerball team ever, so.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Funny, just like lays it out there. Just the delivery
is perfect.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And then like they're asking about Ali and then like
Tommy asked, well, what about you?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And then Gail.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Says, well, I'm an alcoholic and I smoke as much
weed as I can. You know, complete effing disaster. But
you're not here about me, are you? And she knows
exactly what it is. Just like the delivery of those
lines such a great scene. Completely agree. So anyways, Tommy's awesome,
Gail's awesome, Ellie and Dina's chemistry is fantastic. I really
actually think there was a high point in the game
as I was going through the emotions of losing Joel
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literally playing through and being the one to kill Joel Wild.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That's another thing we have to talk about because the.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Actual death was Yeah, because we like sometimes we still
we have to we have to talk about episode two,
So let let's do that first before we kind of
get into episode three here, And.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That's a good jumping off point to talk about his death. Yes,
and and the fact that it's just so gruesome, it's
just so dark.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It's worse in the game. It is worse in the game.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
It where because apparently you don't just I mean in
the in the show, it's just a quick golf club
through the neck side note, I now hate even golf
more than I already did. Yeah, but like it's pretty
quick and disgusting, but like in the game, I heard,
you don't have that that quick.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And it's the scenery too, like there's an open window
so it's kind of light, which it was a little
bit different for me for the game. I think I
saw a tweet on this you literally are in like
this basement of the creaking dark building and it literally
the quote was on Twitter that I saw was like
it literally felt like you were in the deepest part
of hell when that happens. And it's like it's so
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gruesome and gross and like it but it makes you
feel everything you're supposed to.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I think it was a bold choice, even though it's
exactly what happened in the game to kill off Joel
this quickly. But I I'm the more I watch the show,
the more I listen to the podcast that goes along
with show. The more I like it, the more I
like that they didn't deviate from that, they didn't try
and lean into it.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And we're starting to get.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Into it here with see episode three, because other characters
are having more of a coming out party.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Tommy is one of those. I think Dina is one of.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Those, Sale Jesse, all of these people that you wouldn't
maybe have the opportunity to see, and especially Ellie in
a new light. With Joel kind of the main guy
taking most of the screen time, you're seeing like a
development of those characters that you wouldn't have seen.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I'm not sure how much time we'll spend in Jackson
now that Ellie and Dina have left Jackson and gone
to Seattle. I'm not sure how much we'll go back.
And it may change from the game. You never even know,
and I don't want to know what the game did,
but like, I think the dynamic of how Jackson functions
and the council, and there was an interesting shot of
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where kind of Tommy's pounding something into the ground, rebuilding
some building, and he kind of just kind of seeds
to Jesse and saying, now, okay, I'm getting it's very so,
and it makes me interested in, Okay, what is the
future of this town, how does the council develop? You know,
Ellie and Dina leaving, how does that change the dynamic
of that town. You're not going to bring in Catherine
Harra and just use her for a couple episodes now maybe,
(14:13):
but then again, they killed off Pedro Pascal, so they
can do anything with big actors. But ultimately, I'm so
interested in the continuation of seeing how this community, how
this society in a world where society has fallen and broken,
how does this society and community continue to function.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
So one of the reasons in the game that I
think this whole Joel dying wasn't done as well as
it has been done in the show is because you first,
you don't know enough about Abby, the one who kills Joel,
and you just kind of switched to that character. You're
swapping back and forth between Abby and Ellie, and you
kind of swap to this character not knowing who she's about,
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and then you kill Joel, and then after Joel dies,
you spend a ton of time learning about Abby, and
I didn't think that was a great way to endear
the players I guess you could say to the character
that just killed off everyone's favorite guy.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
So you like the way I liked more in the show.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
In the show where they beforehand, they kind of they
opened the season on it. They showed her motivations, and
then after you're you're seeing more the reaction. You're you're
looking into Ellie, you're looking into to Tommy a little bit.
I love I honestly love Ellie and Dina's chemistry. It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
So I'm eager to explore that a little Bitsabelle.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Ohmer said it should be noted just the way she
plays off of Bella Ramsey is is the scene where
she kind of says, hey, okay, I'm going to give
you cookies.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I bake you cookies, but I'm gonna piss you off.
Don't be mad at me.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
But I was withholding all this information and I'm ready
to go to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
She knew her so well.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
And then after the council, by the way, Ellie's speech
to the council awesome, saying how was it for her?
It's for all of you guys, it's not even for true.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well that was all that I mean, she didn't believe
any of what she was saying because she could. I
don't think so it all because I think the guy
in front of her, whatever his name was, the I
don't know what the word homophobe, I guess whatever, but
like he's the one who was saying, you know, you're
all idiots, and he's the one who said I think
what she truly feels. And then she's kind of like, oh,
(16:15):
nobody's responding to this. Nobody's responding. It's like what Jesse
said to her the night before. Nobody's responding to anger. Yeah,
I know he have to really go on the emotional side,
even though maybe I don't fully believe it myself.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah's the way I interpret And I could see a
lot of that, and you could tell how angry she
actually is. Oh yeah, But I do think there's some
truth to what she was saying. And she said, like,
if any of you guys would ever get hurt or
your loved ones would I would do the same thing.
It's not just because it's this guy. And I think
there's an element of that to her. And I think
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having a community of people that she loves and hopefully
that love her back, is something that's really important to her. Now,
this is obviously a aggravated incident because of someone that's
super close to her, So there is that anger fact,
but I don't think what she was saying was necessarily false.
But that doesn't mean that there isn't a revenge factor
as well, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, I think that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I think for her in a lot of these episodes,
I mean one of the first things he has her
in the hospital bed that scream reliving the death, and
then her kind of just really just trying to play
the therapist Catherine here, just really trying to be like
I'm going to say whatever I need to say to
get out of this room right now. And in the
moment she's out of the room, the facial acting by Bella,
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and we can talk about a lot of great acting
in this, but Bella Ramsey, I mean, like, I was
not familiar with your Gamella, as she walks down the hall,
and you watched kind of the and you picked it out,
I think perfectly. The lights above her as she walks
down the hall, and every single time her face is lit,
she's transitioning from hah, I just got out of this
(17:51):
room too. Oh my god, I'm pissed off, I'm a
I'm pissed off. B I'm heartbroken. And see now I'm
alone and like because because it was her and Joel
and and yes she has Dina, but it's this was
this was her dad basically yeah, and she realizes, Okay,
I have to go back home to A to a
and boy that scene, man, that that scene where where
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she's with his jacket and.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Not enough, not enough for me. Well, they didn't spend
enough time in there because in the game. Uh, there's
with these types of games, there's like an objective. You
have to find something, you have to you have to
do something in order to move on to the next
story point. Right, that's not the case. When you go
and visit this house. You you walk in, you can spend
as much time you can look in every room. There's
(18:39):
an easter egg in every single room of something from
their relationship. There's a picture in the bathroom, there's there's
this random little I honestly haven't played it in so long,
but uh, and then once you open up the thing
with the watch in it, that's when you move on
to the next cut scene. So you could do you
could go through the entire house for as long as
you want and find all these little things.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
The smell of the jacket, like we all know we
connect smells to memories, right, that's obvious. And like the
fact that she then has the jacket in connects as
a view where you're like, yeah, she's she smells.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
You remember what the watch is from. It's his daughter,
right right.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
In the very first episode of the first season, his
daughter gives him that for his birthday, so it's kind
of being passed down throughout. And then Tommy of course,
at the beginning of the of the episode says, say,
how to Sarah send Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Send my love to Sarah. Yes, that's right.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, but so, yeah, fantastic scene, great stuff. And then
they visit the uh the grave as well.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Oh wow with the coffee beans because Joel was loved coffee.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Is just always was drinking coffee. I mean, my god,
it's just it's just tremendous.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And also, as we kind of also bring in the
episode to uh, Caitlin Deaver the job. It's an actress,
she's kind of still young in her career. I love
the movie Book Smart. Book Smart was kind of I
think super Bad part two, super Bad for the for
the gen Z is probably the best way to say it.
And and she plays one of the main characters in
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books Smart and is incredible, absolutely incredible in that movie.
And and she shows up kind of this this probably
you'd say, is her big break. And she from the
obviously you feel the emotions in the first episode and
you can't see Okay, she's and I even told you
the first episode. Yeah, she's gonna kill Joel. I just
didn't expect to.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Be that fast.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
And obviously you know it's it's it's complicated by the
fact that Joel then saves her before she kills him.
But the speech that she gives to Joel and says,
you know, you stupid old man, this is not going
to be fast like I'm gonna you know, this is
gonna be long and drawn out, and I'm gonna make
you feel all of this and just the pain in
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all of her words.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Caylen Dear does an insane job as as abby and
clearly somebody who is so destroyed emotional, and I can't
wait for more of her when we get really deep
into Seattle.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, and I'm curious as too.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Well, let me put this lightly without spilling anything for
you how deep they explore the other characters in her gang,
because in the game there's there's some stuff there. I
won't say anything more. I wonder if we kind of
see it from her perspective as in the game again,
or if it's just gonna be a an Ellie and
(21:28):
Dina show, which I would not mind at all, By.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
The way, I don't think I would any I had
some some trepidations an episode ago.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Not anymore. No, it's it's such good stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
But I just want to say about episode two, so
the one where Joel dies and we're we're kind of
forgetting the whole Horde entering Jackson and that whole like
people don't understand how hard that is to execute with
so many extras, and then add it in CGI, which
you don't notice.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I don't notice at least at all.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It's crazy how how hard it is those types of big,
big cut scenes UH are are to execute, and I
think they did it flawlessly. It reminded me. It reminded
me of a long, long night in the last season
of Game of Thrones, which I know a lot of
people kind of are feel very split on that one.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I was a big fan of it. I think this
out does it that.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
But that combined with the the kind of emotional points
of the of the Joel dying and uh, you know,
Caitlin's motivation and then Ellie and seeing it all happen. Uh,
there's I think it's just so incredibly well done. And
when when a show and we'll talk about this soon
with and or when a show puts you on the
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edge of your seat like the entire time, feeling tense,
like you don't know what's going to happen, and you're
you're you're anxious, that that's a good thing. I think
it makes you like means you're invested into what's going on.
When when it does that and you know it's gonna
happened as I did, that means that's elite because I
knew everything that was going to happen, and I still
(23:07):
was on the edge of my seat like clamoring, like,
oh my god, what's about to happen? So I that
I I think it's my favorite, one of my all
time favorite TV episodes of all time. I put it
above uh.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Long long time.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Oh yeah, the Bill and Frank Season one. I put
it above that just.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
And that's fair.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I mean I still have the long, long time above that,
but a long, long time, long long night.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
That's a little bit amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
No, no, no, but I mean you mentioned the Game of
Thrones episode The Long Night, So no, but ultimately to say,
I mean, it's a tremendous.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Hour of television.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, it's it's simply incredible, and all of the work
that went into it, and the fact that you have
these multiple things going on, so you're staying just on
your you know, just on your toes the entire time, sweating,
you know what, the entire time. It was such a
well crafted episode, the heartbreak to the point of like
you know, there there they're you know, Jackson's obviously mostly destroyed. Uh,
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and then a guy got bit and he just hands
over a gun to say, you know, just show this.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Just those kind of moments. Uh, A little bit, I.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Won't mention a little bit convenient that Tommy uses the
flamethrower on the bloater and just a little convenient, like
the Bloater dies just at the exact second he's about
to kill Tommy. That's that's a small little gripe. This
doesn't spoil anything for you, because I know you you
stopped right before they walk to Seattle. I just wanted
(24:39):
to make this public and say this because it's the
biggest scripe I've had with the show so far. This
does not spoil anything for you or anybody who may
have stopped right in your spote. Okay, so they enter Seattle.
They talked about entering Seattle from the north. We're gonna
enter Seattle from the north, and a lot of shows
and movies do this, so this is not just specifically.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
About the last of us I know.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Okay, they're entering Seattle from the north. They have this
great shot where they show even a sign that says
Seattle nine miles Tacoma x miles, Portland x miles.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You can see it kind of a little city, so
you can imagine it's I five coming south and you
can see the city through the trees. It's great as this,
I think this is right out of the game. As
they approach downtown Seattle, it's from the south. You literally
see Seattle, downtown Seattle from the south.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
If you're if you're coming to Seattle from the north,
and you make it.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
A story point, an actual story point coming to Seattle
from the north.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
They mentioned snow Qualmi.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's very good, lots of good detail, and then you
show them entering downtown from the south. Come on, guys,
how freaking hard is it to know what the view
from Seattle from the south versus north.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Is you idiots? Come on?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I wonder how many of the cast or crew have
visited Seattle on zero.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I mean, like, listen, it's it's a very small thing,
but and it only affects us for people who lived here,
our whole lives exactly. That's just how hard is it?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Was it cool to see Seattle really really cool? Okay,
because it's really cool in the game too.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
There's there's a there you only see about five seconds
of downtown Seattle. Well maybe a little more of us.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
You see you only see a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Downtown Seattle at the very end of the episode, And
I was like, yep, those are the streets I drive
on a daily.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Basis, Like, that's that's pretty cool. That is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So I mean like, and you'll see it too, And
I think they nailed it, And I'm so excited for
where the show goes from here. Jeffrey Wright's now entering
the cast. Jeffrey Wright of Westworld and James Bond Felix
Lighter is who we played there so many amazing roles,
and American Fiction is a tremendous movie that he was in.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
One of my favorite actors, so.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Him from You Know Caitlin Deaver, Tabella Ramsey, Isabella Ohmer
said an interesting thing about you Know her, her gang,
Abby's gang that I want to know more about the way.
I am so back into the show in the emotional
crux I felt after Joel died, I am okay now,
and I'm so ready for the next version of the
Last Year.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
My last thing before we moved to and Or on
the Last of Us is I was also a little
worried because in the game, I don't think they executed
it perfectly. Now I like it better than others do.
A lot of people absolutely hate it. I like it
better than others do because it's not supposed to be convenient.
It's not supposed to be everything we want, right, That's
not how life works, and I love how this demonstrates
that in that way. But I think it's being done
(27:30):
so much better in the show about I don't know
if it's just the quality of having to be a
TV show instead of a video game. The ability to
jump back and forth between different storylines and not just
play with one character, I think adds to that. I
was also worried because Joel was also my favorite character
in the whole show. I'm just going to say that
right now. But I'm learning to love other characters more
(27:52):
in this show, more than I did in the game,
more than I have earlier in the show, and I
think it's leaving a room for other people to grow from.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Into television Sundays on Max Righteous Gemstones has its series
finale coming out this Sunday, and you know where where
if that was done, there may have not been any
other Max content.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
But uh boy, we we are.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We are cooking right now and we are eating good
with the last of us hard on.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
It's hard for me to put one of these above
the other because I can't right now.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And Now and Or.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, so in spoiler alert for and Or, we have
not even talked about episodes one through three yet, So
at this point we are we are talking episodes.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
One through six.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I think we can breeze one through three and say
it was okay. ARC it was kind of just a
lot of episodes. Third episode was very good, and the
way the third episode ended was very good, with just
the lots of contrast of the situations for each character
and how they very are clearly not even the opposite
(28:50):
of mirroring.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
They are very distinct dichotomy almost very much so.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
But it just the first arc of one two three
really does kind of I think, set the stage for
where these characters are at for the rest of the season,
which is the three years leading up of course to
the events of Rogue one and then New Hope, et cetera,
et cetera. Uh I, unless I don't have too many
thoughts on one two three, I'd love to spend some
time talking four five, six, but go.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Ahead, uh, just quick.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
On one two three, I like the uh, the immigrant
kind of storyline. That was the best part with bis
uh and and not casting at the time because he
was still trying to find his way back from stealing.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Wasting his wasting time.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, it's just I think it's just to make it
a little more tense, which is fine because what what's
the big guy's name, Brasso?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
He dies and then they're trying to hide away in
this like farm planet, and then the Imperials are supposed
to have not a big presence there. Then they they
come and do like a sweep or like an audit
or whatever you want to see.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Attempted rape scene was very disturbing.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, and that was a big contentious point in Star
Wars because a lot of Star Wars fans don't really
want that kind of content in Star Wars its life. Yeah,
and I get it, Like I get the sentiment of like, Okay,
I'm trying to get away from real life.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
That's why I'm watching Star Wars. And so there's like an.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Elemandor and or in general deals with real life subjects exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
And I think this is this is like I think
who was the one that said I think it was
Stelle's Scars guard said, this is adult star Wars. I
think the rest of Star Wars is for kids. Honestly,
it's mostly for kids, and I still enjoy it. But
this is adult Star Wars and the subjects that it tackles,
I got it. And my favorite part of the prequels
(30:36):
and one of the Rizzies I like them so much
is because it tackles the politics of how the Empire
got to be what it is and how everything found
its way to that point and and or takes that
to another level. It does, and I love it the
dynamic of mon Mathma trying to figure out what's going on,
trying to get votes for this thing to protect a planet.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Oh good, she's such a good actress.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
And then Stone Scarsguard's character who plays has a two
double double life just to try and stay in the know.
And then I think Claya, his assistant, is such a
good actor.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I think I think the question of who's the MVP
of the show, she's in the discussion, I think MVP
so far.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
It's her and Bicks. For me, those are the two
I would throw Cyril in there. Yeah, you're a big
serial guy. I'm I'm not as big on him.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I think, like I'm just so happy for him.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, I think he doesn't and I'll talk about he
does such a good job, and I'm happy they didn't
make it just a rebel viewpoint sort of show where
they have the viewpoint from Dedra and from Cyreal.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
You see their motivation characters, and it's almost like a
train wreck that you know is going to happen, but
you you just want to watch it, and that's that's
what I think.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It makes it so so, so damn good.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Same kind of thing as I was talking about with
the Last of Us, except I don't know exactly what's
gonna happen, but you can kind of tell when it's
super tense.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
And the the wedding scene, the.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Wedding in the first three episodes was have that was
the most tense I was out of all of them.
It was so weird, Like I felt for mon Mathma's
like just eagerness to find out something that works.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
When the daughter says to her, I wish you were
drunk right now, she's drunk, and then she gets drunk,
and like that line was so rough, like I wish
you were drunk right now because you should not be,
Like I.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Wish you weren't, weren't just talking to me the way
you are.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
And she she can tell her daughter's not ready to
get married and she doesn't really want it, and she
the only reason she's doing this is so she can
be politically tie kind of what they do in Game
of Thrones. They get they get married to the people
that they probably don't like as much, but it's for
political reasons. Yeah, and oh god, it's all so good.
I love dealing with this kind of stuff, and like,
I love how Star Wars has kind of gone down
(32:49):
to a ground level sort of thing and it's adult
Star Wars. It's adult Star Wars, and it's so good.
That's just in episodes one through three. I don't know what.
Let's get into four.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Five I didn't want.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
They just wasted Cassie in and I loved and I
think just rated it in with it with the three
stooges of this group and they ultimately are in this
forest and nothing comes of it.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
It's just like, what the hell ever?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
But yeah, let's let's get into four or five six,
because I think where I want to start.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
We can get into specifics.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
But for me, when we talk about and or its
obviously in these arcs, the al Donnie heist and of
course the prison breakout right of course, and the final
arc of coming back to Paris, all these are arcs.
The first three episodes was an arc. Uh, these four
or five six is a very clear arc and it's
the next stage of Gorman, of that whole situation of
(33:36):
the heist in Gorman and kind of the rebel group
building in Gorman, h kind of the forming of this
rebel group in their first big blow, first big attack.
That's the arc of this four or five six. And
when I think of the best arcs in and or
so far, you think of Aldnni, you think about the
prison breakout, and you think of this, and I think,
(34:00):
I think the prison breakout is one for me. And
then it becomes very difficult thinking about if it's this
arc four, five six, or if it's the al Donni heist.
It might be Aldanni by just a hair, But my god,
this arc, these three episodes were some of the best
(34:21):
Star Wars content period they've ever produced.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, I think it's just fantastic television. And the fact
that it's in the Star Wars universe makes it that
much more interesting to diehard fans. Even though mostly the
diehard fans love it when they do fan service, this
is not a fan service show. There. You don't know
many of the characters. There's not like there's lightsabers galore.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
And there's Arganah.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, it's like bail Arghana, Like, what's that's the big character?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Driver?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Right? I have Although I do wonder if we're I
almost know for a fact we're gonna see them off Tarkin,
which is gonna be awesome, by the way, And I wonder,
oh yeah, I wonder, jeez, I wonder if there's going
to be an Emperor appearance, which would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
They keep referencing him, which would.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Be awesome because obviously we're getting Ben Mendelssohn in all
of the best Ben Mendelssohn that we're just he is
cooking right.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Now, so good.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
But I mean, that's that's kind of the biggest character
in Star Wars lore we've gotten, I mean in terms
of like meaning to the Empire, meaning to the rebellion,
like that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, And I just I love how they haven't leaned
into that. It's all about the storytelling and God, I
the whole Gorman, Like you, the biggest thing I kind
of gathered from this whole thing is you.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Can tell what's at stake.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, you can tell how important these things are, how
these characters are starting to unravel emotionally. Mon Mathma, I think,
is a great example that the more you watch her,
the less in control she feels absolutely even more with
Luthan too, who always felt like he was in control
all the way through season one. He had everything under control.
He's starting to lose it now. I think Cassian and
(36:01):
Or are starting to realize it. And something I noticed,
I don't know if this is just a coincidence. I
noticed everyone's starting to pair up.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Not only that, but you start to see those pairs
starting to take more risks. Yes, you start to see them,
you know, because they do feel like the walls are
closing in a little bit. So you see that that
Luthen and his assistant are being a little more daring
in their communication.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Cyro and Dedra more sent unveil, Cassian and Bis, all.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
These all these pairings are being just in the very
very last scene of the episode six where they blow
up and they kill the guy who played the thing
in Bix's.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Ears and which just the torture device, the.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Torture device, right, so she kills him and they blow
up a whole floor of the Empire building. So, like,
you know, all these pairings are becoming more daring because
they feel that we're a little less in control now,
so we have to be a little bit more, you know,
out there with our actions to try to move the
rebellion forward.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, and I just can't wait to I could tell
this is just going to be a just satisfying watch
when you finished season two of and Or, and then
you can go straight into Rogue one, and then you
can go straight into episode four.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
God, that's gonna be so good.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I mean, really that that whole thing of season one
to season two, to Rogue one, to New Hope, to Empire,
It's just gonna be because I mean, honestly, I think
I think this whole thing and getting into specifics, I
think the heist itself in episode six is excellent. Sinta dying,
but leading up into that.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
You really love speech and really.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
The thing where you're gonna be making up for this
your entire life. Great speeches all round. The scene with
Sagerera at the end of episode five where he's kind
of just talking about like, you know, kind of it's
it's a little bit of a metaphor to like, breathing
in these fumes is sort of just like breathing the
rebellion really really become like I am, become like we are,
(37:52):
and it's time. It's time to it's time to step
up and become a new level of new level I
suppose of a rebel.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, And I just I had to put this in here.
I saw this as a tweet, but it made me laugh.
Luthan getting a little upset about Bix taking the sleeping pills,
and then Soger being.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Like hoff in the gas boy, that's freedom. I'm like, whoa,
okay there. Honestly, I think they're they're nailing the speeches
in this arc. Yes, they're nailing.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
The moments where you you do, honestly kind of start
to see the rebellion teetering and saying, you know it's
gonna work. You know where this is all leading, but
to your point of last of Us, you know where
this is going, and it still keeps you on the
edge of your seat. You know Cassie and Or is
going to live. You know certain are going to die.
You know these things are going to happen, but you
(38:46):
don't know how, and it's keeping you on such the
edge of your seat. And four or five six was
so well crafted, and you just can't wait to see
where we go in the in the next two arcs.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
This is the best live action Star Wars content. Yes,
is it better than Empire?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I've said that it's for me, for me, now it's again.
I'm gonna go back to the conversation earlier. It's in
my top ten shows of all time after this last
four or five six, And I'm the best Star Wars.
I'm a Star Trek fan. I've never been too big
on Star Wars. I do like Star Wars quite a lot,
but I'm like, I'm not as high on Empire as
(39:23):
as a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Or New Hope.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
There's a lot of other big Star Wars fans. So
ultimately seeing adult Star Wars, seeing grounded Star Wars, seeing
the birth the character development, but the birth of the
rebellion and all of this, this is where I mean,
since why Star Trek two doo and nine is my
favorite Star Trek Why because of character development, introduction and
really building a whole building something right and and or
(39:46):
feels like you're building something, You're building the base of
this rebellion, and they do it in such a beautiful way.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
And my last thing, Man, they do monologues, right, There's
so many of them, and I'm trying to think of
a good one that was in regular and I can't
think of one. It's not really a monologue type of movie,
at least they aren't. So I'm I think, like you said,
this is this is something where the writing takes over
Uh and you you get these impassioned speeches from uh
(40:17):
Luthen in the first season that was my favorite one
in season one. Then you get the one way out
from what's his name in the the prison breakout. Then
you get Marva's at the end of season one. Then
you now you get UH and Ors to Bicks when
they're like trying to figure out what the hell is
going on, and Ors like we're at war now, like
(40:39):
this is this is what it is.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
This is the reality, and like we don't get to
just go go to parks now, we don't get to
live like a happy couple, Like no, like we we are.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
We are now in full different mode.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
We are war to vell when after Santadize talking to
the guy who brought the weapon when they told him
not to.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, there's so many, so many good ones, and I
just god, I love it. I love it. I can't
wait for seven eight nine.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I think we're looking at the best Star Wars content
of all time in this show. And yes, it'll end
up being, you know, twenty four episodes, so it's hard
to compare twenty four episodes to a movie it's impossible
to do that because this four or five, six was
just three hours, right or just under three hours, and
it's impossible to compare, you know, a one hundred minute
movie to three hours of this. And also kind of
(41:24):
you're just think of the effects and the storytelling and
how overall, like just they're really just prime for this
to be to be really good. And I think they're
just heading on all fronts and making sure that every
character gets their deserved time while leading the story forward.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
And you know, it feels all earned. Yeah, it feels earned.
And then the big thing is the stakes.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
For me, you can tell exactly exactly like you feel
these things with the characters, and like I said, it
makes you anxious and you can't wait to see what
happens next.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I don't have much much more to say. This is
near perfection and which we'll hire for you and or
last us and or.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
And and or is pretty clear. For me, I think
it's I think we best best the last decade. For me,
it's Ted Lasso and then and Or, and it's that
close and ultimately, by the end of this, if if
they end up having a you know of seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.
If they have two more arcs that were like this arc,
(42:24):
we could be talking Top five.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Well, and remember what happened season one to The first
three were like, oh, pretty good, the second one was like, oh, Lee,
this is really good, third one was like what and
then the fourth one rounded it all out perfectly. So
I think I would not be surprised that's the case.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I don't have too much more to say it than
and or all right, well we are again, We're pigs
and poop. Such good TV right now. These are the
two things the big I'm watching. Also your Friends and
Neighbors on Apple I'm watching that's a good show. But
other than that, not too much more. As we are
in just the prime. We knew this was gonna be
the case a month ago.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
We're just in.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
We're just I told you I was waiting for it
because I knew I would sick my teeth into it.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Here we go, last of us on Sundays and and
or on Tuesdays. It's good times overall, everybody, enjoy the
rest of your week. This has been Hollywood Weekly at
Jackson on a radio at Andershurst where you follow us.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
We'll be back maybe next week.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Maybe who knows with Christopher Kidd for more stuff, but
glad we could give you some last of us on
and or coverage.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Have a very good rest of your week. Everybody foul do,
don't kick.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
That'll do.
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