Andor 1.04-1.06 Rewatch | Tony Gilroy speaks out - Holy Snokes: A Star Wars Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
PLD Project presents Holy Snokes the Star Wars Podcast featuring
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new title. I am the Titular Fields.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
There does that make me the uh? What was the
word that Mark Alis like to use for the the uh?
Not the last question, but penultimate? I am the I
am the penultimate night you Ghana.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
I love it? There you go. That is our dude
titles and tiller and the penultimate. Oh we're started off
slate today. I love it. I love it better than
I was a couple of minutes ago. I told you.
I just talked about told Maddy this off air. So JP.
One of JP does are from Nails for Holy Snokes
and Coloil shows just Class Action Live and he does

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uh to middle aged geeks on film and I tell
him every week on this is what we're doing this week.
We're doing this week and last week, you know't holy
snokes that are doing and Or watch through or rewatch
one point zero one to one point zero four. And
then I did the Kathleen Kennedy think he must I
had that too. This week, I certain I was doing
it really quickly. I was distracted the thing I was
at work on multitask, and I was like, all right,

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this week, it's the next three in my head, like
the next three episodes of and Ors, Like what's the
next services and or Oh so four seven mins, fourth three,
it's forty forty seven, and it went through it. I
just threw it out there and I got thumbnail back,
and I was in a more normal state of mind
think about I'm like, wait, we're not doing seven. That's
four episodes. That's four or five six seven. I can't oh.

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So I had to really quickly right JP and go
my my bad, dude, my bad. And luckily he's really good.
Do you really like? Oh shit? I mean he went
and just did it right away, and we got it
back and we got very good to go. We have
the proper thumbnail. I was actually thinking, am I gonna
have to like take this thumbnail and like rejigger it
like crossouts like really bad.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Would be very pretty good, that'd be very funny.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
It would be on you don't have to count? Do
you have to count much for your day job?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Not a whole lot. Okay. It was just like it
was the multitask. I was kind of like, I didn't
go four or five six. I just went, you know
what's four plus three seven? Four plus three seven sounds
like just I do for whatever struggle. I've always struggled
that my whole life. It's the dumbest thing. I am

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a nearly fifty year old man. I fell in kindergarten math.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Do you remember when we were in school? And this
applies to me because I'm of the same era when
the teachers would say, you're not going to have a
calculator in your pocket forever?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Right right? Bs, that's right that we do? What? What?
What is that? I was? Now? We were lied to.
We were definitely lied to. Oh the vim and vigor
of how youth gets lied to straight to their face
all the time. I don't use math, of course. Then again,
now they say that hypocritical clintonsidering what I just did.

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But it is what it is, and it's what it does.
We are head looking into our and or rewatched and
that's good news. I am really really loving this. Get
a chance. So we are.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Currently right now being force centered as we speak.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yes, I know, I was, I almost paused. We are
recording right now. We always record generally speaking oys Thursday,
three pm ETERN and we got the news aftersday totally
go to r Q and A going on right now.
I almost I almost message you, like, should we push
back at hour or something?

Speaker 2 (04:22):
I almost messaged you should we go live and watch along?

Speaker 1 (04:27):
But I just I don't know the watch line would work.
I don't be cost right strict struck in all that
kind of stuff. And yeah, so at the end of
the day, I kind of like, I also have a
lot of other work after today, So I was like,
if I can push it back that hour, that might
not be good for me to do so because I
don't even know how long it is. I mean, there's
like an hour long thing, it's a two hour long thing.
I don't even know. I mean, I'm betting it's not

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too I mean, let's be fair of the way it
really is.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's not going to be like the kind of shows,
the Q and A shows that we watch where like
people donate super chats and then the question will get answered.
It's probably gonna be a bunch of pre written questions
from Disney, Bryan and lucasfilm that they'll attach an anonymous
not an anonymous but like some kind of erroneous social

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media hand or too. They'd be like, oh, blah blah blah,
sixty nine says this.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I mean we can finally it's fifteen minutes ago. I
don't know, but I I that's a good question. I
actually looked at when I saw the announcement, I was like,
is there a place you can submit questions? How are
they doing this? But there wasn't a lesson. I don't
know when I saw no unless it is a chat thing.
I mean I just I just turned it down in
the background really quickly. It is looks like it is
kind of a streamy already kind of thing. So I
don't know. I don't have the audio playing, so I

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can't tell you.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
But matually, if Tony Gilroy did like a sit down,
like started his own YouTube channel and was like doing
Q and A like excepting chat.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
It is Tony Gilroy sitting with the wonderful Ash Cross
on Oh the Gat and is on screen as well. Yeah,
I'm always I'm I am awful with names. I am
so bad with names. You when you find out and
the andwid the character names will knock that up, like,
oh that character, the one that you know, I don't

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mosque because I love muscla much everybody else I'm kind
of like, you know that it's Brasso, is a kid
is will and I think and yeah all stuff. But
either way, so uh, yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I never forget a woman that like that's name.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
That's true. That's a good point. It's a good point.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I'm glad that Ash is doing the.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
It does say your questions in the live chat interesting. Interesting,
Well we'll watch it afterwards. That will be part of
our report next week. There's anything usually comes out next week.
Well you know for sure, otherwise you're probably watching it already.
But either way, Hey, what can we do. We can
only do what we can do. We can only schedule
so much. We can't live. We can't schedule our lives
about everything that happens. We are going to be for centered.

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It is what it is, so variet. She put in
peop away from our video. People are watching us. You go, Oh,
I forgot about that. Get these guys off. I want
to see Tony Gilroy my screen, which I would absolutely
totally get it, totally understand, but it is where it is.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
He is a silver fox, I get it.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
He is absolutely a silber fox. So yeah, regardless, Hopefully,
I'm hoping that, hoping that star Wars dot com or
Star Wars YouTube whatever is smart enough and that they
will keep the live chat. Sometimes after a live stream
like the live chat isn't available anymore. Sometimes depending on
the setting, as you do, I'm hoping they keep the
live chat because that would be really sad if I
don't see the live chat. But imagine Kathleen Kennedy doing

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one of those chats. That would be uh. I think
it'd have to be heavily moderated. Let's put it that way. Uh,
for sure the chat would be turned off. Yeah, it's true,
that could be. That could be true. I have those
people who would just yeah, crash that. But that's neither
here nor there. Let's talk about some revolution. We have
a great episode of the set of episodes we watched

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this week for and Or. This was the I call it,
just called it the al Donnie arc. I think you
said it was your favorit dark potentially of the first season,
which is cool. I will say it's I don't know
what to say, it's my favorite arc, but I will
give you a minor spoiler. I do think that the
sixth episode, the final episode of this ark, might be
my favorite episode though potentially potentially, I'll have to tell

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you watch the rest. Okay, that's fair, that's fair. I
mean probably is they shouldn't be. All right, Well, we'll
get we'll definitely get there for sure. Before that. Before
we get into that, like we always do, we have
news to talk about. Not a whole lot of real
big scoop news came up. We had a couple of
fun ted biss none of you are, none of the

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ones you hate, none of the people talking about what's
going on with Star Wars or what they want to
do with Star Wars, just fun little things. And then
we did have Tony Gilroy did like a thousand interviews
and he really has been hitting the alay was on
him or if it's on Disney saying hey go go
take care of us for us potentially, but I will

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I'll say one of the quotes where Tony basically said
that he is this is the most proud He's more
proud of and Or than he's anything he's done in
his career. So that does say something. And I don't
think Tony Giroy is one two bullshit. He's like, you know,
we talk about people bullshitting and you want to sell
the sell the current product every note. Tony Gilroy is
pretty bluntingly honest about everything that comes out and as

(09:20):
he can fell from some of his interview quotes. But
he came out and said that. I was like, oh wow,
he said. I We'll get into that a little bit,
but that's our last news bit to talk about. Let's
go into our first couple of more SHA say fun
news bits as it were. First off, we found after
so long a there is a new Phantom Menace Easter

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rag was discovered. I did not know this, so I
love it. The other day, one hour, fifty eight minutes
and seventeen seconds into the film's run time, there is
a shot of Padme, Captain Panaka, and the Royal guardge
running down a hallway in Seeds Royal Palace and at
the top of the archway behind them, there is a

(10:05):
bust of a certain man's space and let us see yep,
I am going to Uh yes, I wish I put
this up on the screen. Uh share a screen I
should have. I wish I again. I had so much
work to do today that I did not get a
chance to prepare like I like to normally prepare. So
we're just gonna put up for my news bit here.

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I'm have to resize it because not the proper size
right now. There we go, there it is, there, it is.
I'm gonna make that full screen for you. Just just
be that. I'll take us on and there it is
right there, that little hallway where Padme is running down.

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Who is that the Maker himself? It is the Maker himself.
It is mister George Lucas. How fun is that? I
don't know if I like that more. I don't know
by wilding and as much. But I like the fact
that there's even more than just the Spike easterrac I
like the fact of there's stuff we can learn about
that movie almost. What is it now? What is it?

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What are thirty years in the future, twenty five years,
twenty five.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Years, twenty years since Revenge of the sift, so it's
got to be closed twenty five.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, twenty four whatever it Either way, I'm pretty sure
it was fan I'm pretty sure last year was twenty five, yeah,
because they had it was an anniversary right, so ye, yeah,
that's right, that's what it was. Wow, Holy s I
don't like it.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
That's what I wonder if that was shot on like
a sound stage, or if I actually go to where
they shot it in that palace in I think Rome.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
I think it was George looks up there. I think
that was probably computer graphic. I'm guess it was inserted
or did they put it up there as like a prop?

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Okay, and then the Italians that owned the palace will
play leave it up though we like it.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
aStyle was we like a Georgia. Look, we lack lack
a lot. I could do that as an Italian, so
I can do that without being whatever the word would be. Yeah,
that's kind of fun. It's kind of a fun thing.
So next up, something we don't talk about very much
on this show, collectors items and things like that. I

(12:20):
know you have friends you want to invite in the podcast.
At one point to talk about collectors. I obssess it's
not fun I funny. It will be on at some point. Yeah,
we'll get that conversation. It's a I'm actually The funny
thing is I'm interested in I don't collect myself because
I just went out of the room with money all
that kind of stuff. But I do love hearing about

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these things and seeing these things, and we have coming
to us soon enough. The latest lightsaber hilt replica from
Disney has been revealed to be Marria Jades lightsaber in
the Expanded Universe and the Legends Continuity. It's just a
few of them are being made. Only about three five

(13:01):
hundred of these. Hell, you're going to be produced. And
I am more interested in the fact that they're doing
a marriage ade one because you know, again, well, I'm
interested in that. We don't get a lot of expandited Universe,
old expandit universe stuff in Disney. We have had the
Leiens books kind of have been very populated and everything else.

(13:24):
But it's I think it's kind of cool that they're
doing next. I don't because I know that's a hot
bucket still a hot button top for some people that
Disney or whatever don't use the EU whatever. I get that.
I love the EU. I'm still reading the old EU.
I don't have I didn't have a conniption fit when
they moved on f about it, but I don't. I
didn't want a race. So I kind of like the

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idea that they're still kind of hearkening back. We're still
getting stuff from it. Unless that's where the the of
course of the conspiracy theory people come in and go, well,
maybe they're going to bring marriage aid into the into
the universe. They I mean, I think it's more likely
now than it was when George was there. But George

(14:05):
did not like the character. That's not that's not he has.
If he was there, they would have you had his
argument all the time. George is not there, he has
no say or else they would done have a sequel.
He's not there. But he's there, right, But he's not.
He's not there in terms of he will not prevent
Mary Jade from be coming into the Canton canon. First
of all, I don't think he cares anymore. He's not

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having it. He's not going to the movies a Goldener.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
He's always man. He's an old man now, old man
carried grudges.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
To the death. Yeah, you know what He's like, George like,
don't use them. They're gonna be like what George say what?
Oh okay, sure, old man, have a good night. Click
and they'll use it.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Wait wait till he and I hope this is a
long time before this happens. But wait till he you know,
it becomes one with the force. Yeah, when he becomes
one with the force, look, then use Marge.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
I only what I get it. I just don't think.
I just don't think George is gonna have and he's
saying so, I don't think that that's gonna be the
thing that's going to stop it from happening. But where,
whether he stokes or not, it's not gonna happen. Why
do you say that there's no place for her. There's
always a place for her. If you can find that place,
you can find that a badass female Jedi. You can

(15:13):
find a place for her anywhere. Okay.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
The character of Marja right, yes, and having the relationship
with Oh no.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
No, I don't have that. Oh no, no no, that's a
different story. That's different. I'm not saying that they're going
to bring her in and make her loose wife for it.
I don't know that's not gonna start gonna happen, But
I wouldn't be surprised if would get like a marriageade
was the hand of the Emperor kind of thing, and
like that would be cool. Yeah, I think that could
have absolutely happen. I do think we're gonna retro. I
think we're not gonna be It's not gonna be like

(15:42):
the marriageade is the gravestone on oct Like we had
that theory for a long, like that theory was out there,
but that last Jedi theory they had that they the
picture of Luke on top of the top of the
hill and there's like a grave sit there unless that's
marriag Jay's grave, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, But also there is a Reven one of those hills,
and they haven't used Revin. So it's probably just that
here's the thing for all you people that love the
EU take the I mean, they've got a bunch of
high republic ones. They've got Stelling gios is like say
Barney technically, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Like, they're not like doing anything massive with it other
than the than the reading initiative, unless Stelling Geos shows
up in a live action show which I.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Hell, yeah, they got cool. I mean I also like
a Higerbok show at one point that'd be great, even animated,
like a Hirable animated show that be really cool, especially
where this march just about Phase three hit phase three.
I just finished up Phase one, so finally get into
phase three very shortly. Mhm, no, you know what. I

(16:49):
get what you're saying, But I also will to go
back conspiracy theory era. Disney likes to kind of like
tie in their merchandise with what's going with what they're producing,
like they do with the tie in with the Disney parks.
They tie in with their product and stuff usually lay
like the tie in things together. So it wouldn't I

(17:09):
think that the chance of marriage Ade showing up somewhere
is more possible now than it was before this. That's
that's saying. I'm not saying it's definitely gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I can almost say and the guarantee it's not going
to happen because that What comes with this Lightsaber is
issue one of Star Wars Marj by the Empresor's hand,
a comic book. So they're doing a comic book.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Of a well that's the old Legends comic book. Correct,
that's what I think. It's an od Legends comic book.
Maybe I'm not sure, pretty sure that's what it is.
I would be surprised. This is the introduction to marriage Aid.
Maybe it's like a reprint and maybe it could be.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
But it's also three hundred and twenty five bucks, so
they can fuck it.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
That's one. Like I said, I'm not a collector's I've
got the Dark Saber, I'm good. But everything else that's fair,
that's fair. Yeah, So yeah, am I do I believe
this is gonna happen? No, but I think it's fun
to speculate about. It's fun to be like maybe maybe
so I know you don't you? I could tell you
look on your face. It's so fun. I love, I love,

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I love. When speaking of sharing merchandise and comparing and
like merchandise and parks and stuff, there's another little bit
of news. Uh, Mandaloriin and Grugu are introducing b d
X droids And they had a presentation at or was
it did who like her name is? Keep Going? And

(18:43):
they revealed that there they had a showcase where they
showed these droids off and she's gonna share my screen again.
Well I share this again. That's not right. I'm checking
my cameras now present sure screen Right there in the middle,

(19:05):
those are the baud X droids that are going to
be in the Mandalorian and Gurugu film party announcement. And secondly,
they are also going to have a quote from Johnny Favreau,
one of the cool things Disney about Disney is how
we can tell our stories in so many different formats.
We've already taken Mando and Grogor from a TV screen

(19:26):
to the movie screen. At the same time, Dave and
I are working with Asa from he asks to bring
this story to the Disney Parks two. So they're introducing
something in the movie that's going to be in the
Disney Parks two.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
So we've already seen those droids already, like the prototypes
of them while walking around Galaxy's Edge a few months ago. Right,
I'm trying to find who the fuck came up with
it in the thank that make a discord, but I
can't find it. So if anyone, if you're watching, I'm
sorry if I'm not quoting you. Pull up the image
of the droids again. Okay, hold on, Notice how one's red,

(20:08):
one's green, one's blue Yep, that's Huey Dewey and Louie.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
I love it. I absolutely love that idea.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
That's the ducks.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Oh boy, you know you could have like HU three
I totally absolutely so. Is like the other one Scrooge
McDuck or is it like the ducktails or whatever? Uh.
And they're also doing a new mission for Smugglers Run

(20:44):
that's part of as well, including these droids, and that's
going to debut the same day that Manduelarid and Grogu
debuts in the theater. Okay, interesting and nice. Uh. And
also that they're gonna be tuned up by an anzellin
named Otto.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yes, more an Zelence exactly.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
I love that perfect and his name was his name Auto.
So wait so the auto bots Auto Auto. Yes, that's
a plan of words. We like that. I like it. Okay,

(21:22):
we're gonna finishly, Tony get off. The last one. This
was actually I usually get all my news from Star
Wars news, and this one I did not get from
Star Wars. This was on Variety, just an interesting conversation.
Rick McCallum was on a young right, He's not a
young Indiana Jones Podcast and they talked about uh, Star
Wars Underworld, the proposed George Lucas George Lucas Star Wars

(21:49):
t before he sold Disney, he had this whole thing.
It's kind of a mythical thing at this point. So
I know, we know that he produced a lot of
George produced a lot of captual scripts for it, and
he had this idea of where he's going with like
there's like sixty to one hundred scriptures that supposedly and like,
so it's definitely become kind of a mythical thing because
it never happened. He didn't get the Wars. There might

(22:10):
have been like I think there was footage of thirteen
thirteen the game. I think I think there might have
been like production design stuff that floated around. Potentially it
would be surprised. They definitely would have done that at
this point. Obviously he went away when Disney bought Star
Wars needed their own TV thing, but it was acced
generally because of the budget at the time. But it's

(22:30):
just kind of interesting to hear. We don't heard much
about it from official sources really. And Rick mc callum
said that stated, I think we had over sixty scripts,
like third draft scripts, McCollum said, noting, quote the most
wonderful writers in the world, so Lucas' Skywalker branch to
map out and pen the series. These were dark, they
were sexy, they were violent. They were absolutely wonderful, complicated,

(22:52):
challenging scripts. The Countain stopped short of providing plot details
for Star Wars under the World, but said the series
would have blown up the whole Star Wars universe and
Disney would have definitely never offered Shorte to buy the franchise. Okay,
the producer said, not making Underworld remains one of the
greatest disappointment of our lives. The problem was that each
episode was bigger than the films, so the lowest I

(23:13):
could get it down to with a tech that existed
then it was forty million dollars an episode. The series
effectively died when Disney produced when Disney purchased Lucasfilm and
Lucas accidented his post at the company. So forty million
dollars episode, that's a lot of money. That's a lot
of money. We get that when we heard about the
budget nowadays, and that's that's quite a bet.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
That's like one scene in Mickey seventeen pretty much at
this point, which great, by the way, it is.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
It is a good I like that movie quite a
bad some people I loved it. Yeah, I thought it
was messy, but overall, Robert Pattinson really delivered and that's
what really carried the movie for me. His performance was stellar,
as well as Nao Miaki of Star Wars fame over
Juster fame roughly roughly because the world was good as well. Yes,

(24:04):
Ruffalo is always good. He's always good, especially in that
kind of role that Devin not hiding who you are rule.
It is interesting to think about, though. I think and
Or costs two hundred ninety millions for this season, so
that's about twenty million an episodes, so not that far off.
But I guess twenty million is a big chunk of James.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
But how much of that budget do you think goes
Tony gil over a salary?

Speaker 1 (24:25):
That's a good question. That's a good question either way.
What do you thought what he thinks about the Underworld's series?
Are disappointed? We never got it anything?

Speaker 2 (24:34):
No, No, really, I've watched three thousand and eighty enough
probably would have been the same.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
That's a bold statement. You're liking to it.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
From how McCown's describing it, that's how it sounds, right, sexy, violent,
doc dysthorpian. It's essentially Judge Dread in three thousand and eighty.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
It's not too far off. I guess I won't say
I was interested because having George, Like, there's always the
argument that Star Wars is for kids, and that it's always, uh,
they aren't. They're not gonna do a horror movie. You're
not gonna do dark too sexy. Hell and Or is
the closest thing we've ever had to a Star Wars
sex scene, and it was a really big, basically cut
away uh mix and Tim Carlow So like, hearing McCollum

(25:20):
say dark, violent, sexy, and that George's behind it all
does interest me a little bit because what does that
mean to George Lucas If he wants to do a
darker violent show, does he commit full onto being darker
and violent at that point? It's interests me. I would.
It's one of those kind of things like I it's

(25:40):
not like I need it to happen, Like I'm happy
with what Disney's doing. Honestly, I'm mostly happy with it,
but I can't help but wonder, like, go to that
alternate universe that exists where this doesn't exist, to see
how that would have been. For sure, I mean, we
could have had a live action hand a way back
to that potentially, and come on, you.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Know he would have put it in around that time,
would have been Antonio Venders and it's prime to absolute.
That would have been like Spy Kids era, like even
Desperado era.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Right, absolutely, so, all right, that was that. Finally, of course,
Tony Gilroy did the rounds. I I we could have
done a whole episode just still doing them right now
as we speaking, right now as we speak, that's right.
We're going to talk about more of those next week
on the show. He did a lot of interviews, and

(26:33):
I we could have did a whole episode just on
the interviews he did. So I'm gonna try to space
on the most interesting things I thought he said and
go from there. I got a lot of these for
Star Wars. Why why didn't Why didn't we inter ether?
I don't have context like that? Come on, you got
a little wiggle room in get Tony on the show. Yeah,

(26:56):
good thoughts, good thoughts thinking, good thoughts there? All right? Oh,
Gilroy said, this is actually quote I was talking about
at the top of the show. Gilroy said, I have
friends of mine who loved my work, or people that
would meet who go on about Michael Clayton or go
on about something else, and then well have you seen
my show? They say, well, no, it's Star Wars, So
I don't really ever. So I'm trying to win that

(27:18):
audience over so let people know that this is the
most important thing I'll ever work on, and I'm more
proud of it than anything I've ever worked on. So
I'm trying to pick up a few of those people.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
I have never related to Tony Gilroy before and until
at this moment. Yeah, friends that I've been like, hey,
listen to my band, and they're like, yeah, we support you,
but it's not We're not gonna listen because it's.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Not a thing. Right. I feel I am the Tony
Gilroy apod awesome, Okay. Gil Roy also explained to Collider
but the decision to release the new season and blocks
of three episodes each week was made by Disney and
was dre by internal logic following the release of Skeleton Crew.

(28:02):
But it's still respected the way It's still respected the
way they thought about the show. We made eight Star
Wars movies in five and a half years, and that's
how we shoot them. The directors come in and do
blocks of three, so it's baked into our whole psyche
for the moment we started three three three three three
will I will miss I mean it was super greory
to like roll out season one for like three months.
It was a Christmas every Wednesday. But I'm into this.

(28:24):
I liked this idea. One part of what I did
not get later is not in this thing. What I
did mention to he actually specifically said it'll be tough
on podcasters. Like, yes, yes, it is absolutely gonna be
tough a podcast.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I don't think it will for us because I think
we've cracked the code. I think we were the way
we're gonna do it. I think it's gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
I think it's gonna be good too. It's just that
we definitely have to like get three episodes. I think
it's more of at the time because a lot of
times podcasters unlike gosh like reactors even or worse, they
have to get them up as soon as you're up.
So they doing three nights out.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Hey, Hey, they they chose that for themselves. That's done,
cryt me Argentina, like it's fair. You put out on yourselves.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Like it is. It is topic to make sure you
have three episodes. That's like three hours the middle of
the night a most at this point. But it's okay.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I have to stay off and watch your Star Wars
movie every week.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
War is me. See what this is. This is the
world's tiniest violin. That's fair. That's fair. Air a midnight
for you guys are at a point time at nine
o'clock for me, he has nine pm from there. So
I'm good with it. I'm okay with it. I mean
I I just don't. I already argued before. The only
reason is I don't care about the podcasting aspect of

(29:36):
it as much as other people do. I care more about,
like responds lassal Bombers, I don't want to see it.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
So you're going to get a cool at one two
o'clock in the morning saying ay po da videos.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Up by six six am, Mar, Yeah exactly, that's part
of it. Do work with those as well. Luckily for me,
the ones I do more of, like the real rejects,
at least they since if you don't know. I worked
through the Rejects producer for them. I know they get screeners,
so they usually have it up. Like the worst part
about it is they'll probably have their watch the lungs
ready to go or the reaction is ready to go,

(30:10):
like before it even errs here, Like I'll'll look like
at their slips staying I'll be like, oh, it's right there.
I can no, I can't. I can't watch that this way.
It can't make that the way I watch it. So
it's trying to work around that. Sometimes that's tough. It
is good. It is good overall, Okay, next up, he said.
He's also said that run times will be about the
same length as they were in season one, between thirty

(30:31):
nine and fifty five minutes. Good enough for me. Yeah.
He also it's like, it's like Dad Level.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I've been waiting for minim to bring Dad Level one
of this Dad old has been like fifty, like forty
three to fifty minutes without credits.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Right, this is a good shit, this is what we want. Yeah,
I agree. I agree. I'm happy with that. I don't
like the twenty sot minute shows we've gotten sometimes, which
is part of the problem. Oh guys when he gets
lower and lower or one of the shows are like
twenty seven men. I was like, that's a little short sort,
I mean side of Mandalorian season three it was like

(31:07):
thirty five minutes or something like thirty three. Yeah, less
that you may even maybe even less like thy two.
The difference is that Joseph scribshots is best on the
First Center and Night wholeheartly agree with is that the
problem they've had with Disney plus streaming shows is they're
not treating them on TV shows. They're just making these
eight hour movies and then cutting them off instead of
having the rhythm and the actual flow of an actual

(31:31):
TV show, which is, you know, forty five minutes show
for if I've been a show for if I've been
a show. I mean, Tony just said it himself. He's
had the same way. He said, we're making movies and
we're just cutting them up. I don't love that aspect
of it. I gotta be honest with you, I don't
love that idea. I drew rude rather see like the
shows instead, I just got like cutting it off and
moving on. It's like I'd rather.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
And I'm not defending a multi billion Dollar Corporation. Disney
have never outright said these are TV shows. They said
that they are limited series or series right, or series
that we grew up with a certain format of TV.
We I think there's a lot of like we have

(32:13):
that expectation for it to be a certain run time,
a certain way, cut off at certain points. But Disney
have never like come out and said, yeah, we're going
to do it that way. We're going to do it
like a TV show. They've never like like specifically come
out and said that that's the way these things are
going to run.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
No, they did. But at the same time, when you
say series, that implicates like a TV series, that implies
that because it was on TV it would be different
it is on TV now it was at ABC a
couple of times. They actually threw that in there. But actually,
specifically speaking, the funk thing is the marketing I don't
know if you read that marketing news that they did.

(32:51):
They actually put on YouTube. Yeah, but the whole season
on Hulu, which wasn't there before, and for the first
episodes on YouTube for.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Three the whole season on YouTube. It's been on Disney
Plus for how long. Now, put up just put up
the whole thing on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
I don't know if I got that far. I mean
the ideas you want to bring people in because you
want to get people in before in or in two drops.
That's not a month of revenue for you.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Okay, but wats that that first three episodes? Do you
think that's enough for somewhat for let's say a younger person, right,
someone who is used to the binge model? Do we
think that a person like that is just gonna watch
three episodes and be like, oh, I'm all in, I'm
gonna go No, You'll probably be like, where's the rest?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Cool?

Speaker 2 (33:36):
I just watch three episodes of on YouTube for free,
and you want me to pay for the rest?

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Fuck you? No way? Well, but it's better than putting
all the effort free, and then what happens those same
people they're not going to do it for that. They're
not going to come for season two either, So then
what's the point that you just said it in your heart?
There aren't YouTube for free, and how I'm going to
maybe pay for that? Fuck you? Oh? She's the two

(34:00):
is coming up? Oh no, no, anyway, then I'm saying
you're that, But that's what I'm saying as far as
that goes, you just I'm just using your argument against you.
They just said, basically, you said you're watching three for free,
and then I say, if I'm joining, well, they're not
gonna join this thing like make me want to pay
for it. And I don't think three episodes is enough
to like make propping dropping the entire season isn't gonna

(34:22):
make you want to pay for either though. I think
you get it for free.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
That like to pay to pay to watch season two?
If I watched season one for free and I love
season one, like maybe Tokyo device. Okay, this is the
exact thing. This is the exact thing, Tokyo Device. I
watched on BBC eye Player, which is a free service.
You don't have to pay for BBC eye Player. Season
one was on BBC eye Player. I loved it so

(34:47):
much I went and I didn't use a subscription service,
but I would have done. I would have paid to
watch season two if I wasn't sailing the seventies.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
All right, let's move on to the next bit here,
going into uh let's see, oh so he also con
fair much again and they didn't use the volume this season. Interesting,
Gilroy did tease they did some de aging on Diego
Luna towards the end of the season so the casting
his face could look as closed as possible to the
beginning of Rode one. He quote quote from Gilroy, I

(35:23):
mean that's our plan. We work for that technology exists,
So yeah, that's how it is if it's the man
that does not need the aging Diego. Getting into story
specifics with Collider, Gilroy did mention how despite some historical
parallels that maybe is running between events into the show

(35:43):
and some depicted in the history books, he doesn't think
of and or that way because history just repeats itself.
We're just talking with someone about how Manmatha and Veil
come out with Chandrila, and you're thinking about, oh my god,
all the early Christians and the Roman empires of the elite,
what was that like? People breaking away? The sorry truth is,
here's a cliche. History repeats itself, So I want to
to show timeless, I suppose. Further one is the more

(36:04):
interesting part for me. Keilory has been accused of not
carrying as much as the larger Star Wars canon and
is minding his own sandbox in it. But in talking
to Collater, he went into the Gordon Massacre, which will
we depicted in the new season and how it'll fits
the larger story. Quote. There's also a bit of confusion
about the Gordon Massacre and what is the Gorn Massacre,
A lot of confusion within canon. So it was an

(36:24):
opportunity to rebuild in a really significant way. It's very
significant part of our show that can do a lot
of different things for us. Quite honestly, it's very expensive
to build, so we really want to use it as
much as possible. So it carries over five different episodes.
I'm really confident that the really deep passionate Star Wars

(36:45):
community will appreciate how we've straightened out that story. So
we've gone from oh it's cool mentioned in season one,
Oh it's going to be in season two. Now it's
five episodes, so yeah, out five out of twelve. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know. I gotta think, like just me to
be scutchy about it. I gotta think that it's got

(37:06):
to be like they're showing bits of it over time
and flashbacks and you learn more about it. The Master
itself can't like take place over five episodes, right, I
mean right, yeah, I mean it could.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
I guess it would probably be real uncomfortable to watch,
but he has also said he wants.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
To make us cry. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I mean, I thought, I'll tell you it's gonna I
have a really strong gut feeling that it's going to
start as mon Mothma's daughter's wedding and then ship is
going to hit the fan. Yeah, and that would be
the catallous for.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
For everything kicking off. I don't Yeah, yeah, I got it.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I gotta I want five episodes of depression. If I
wanted that, I would just co watch Succession again.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I think I do think it's gonna be one of
those things where I like, there'll be one episode which
is definitively the Gorman massacre, and that they'll be like
a build up to it, like the episode where is
a build up to it but doesn't actually happen. There's
gonna be aftermath to it and them getting away, that
kind of thing. I think it's gonna tie in different places.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
But I'm very sure that we see like little bits
of it in the Yeah. Right, then once Cassion actually gets.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
There, right, that's what you'll have. The big the big
incident itself will be one episode. It'll be the end
of one episode. Because here's the funny thing too, and
this is the weird part about it, and this is
why this is where my theory comes more into play.
We got to remember these are three episodes equals one year,
and they jump forward a year. So if there's five

(38:52):
episodes that the whole Gorman Masters in play didn't take
the place over over the course of a year, I
could not continue with massacre for a year. It's an incident,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
It's like not like a it's that like a or
is it like an event within that year? And then
maybe it's not like a year long arc, but it's
an event that happens within that year, and then.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
We move on to the next year, right, Well, that's
what that's what I mean. Like the aftermath will be
there and it will be also be part of it,
will probably show flashbacks or we learn new things about
it during the next year or something like that. We
see what happened, and then we get to see later
on from a different respective of that kind of thing.
And so this is my question to you.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
There is a scene in that trailer where Cassian is
holding a sniper rifle our a hotel window, and I've
been thinking about this. He says he has done awful
things in the name of the rebellion. Right, is Cassian
the one that starts the Goldman massacre?

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Ooh? Does he fire the first shot? Oh? Wow? And
like a storm strooper?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Thick because there's also a shot of a storm trooper
shooting someone this up on like a high like tower.
But it's just like someone wrapped around a tower. It's
not someone with like a gun in the hand. I'm
wondering if he takes the shot, they look up see
someone on a tower, and the stormtroopers fly back, and
then all hell breaks loose.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah I could. Yeah, and that's why Bix is very
angry at him. Yeah, that does kind of make sense. Potentially,
maybe something happened. That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
You also play into that shot in Rogue one where
he's on the cliff with the sniper rifle a minute
Galen and he can't pull the trigger.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
That would be that would be a that's a fantastic thought.
I didn't I didn't think about that, And that's it'd
be interesting to see because a lot of the show
is about I mean, this whole show is about and
or it's about how he gets to where he was
and where he is and everything else. So that would
actually be very interesting to me. I like, I really
like what you're saying there.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
He starts the massacre and then he has to get
Monmouth moral maybe like you know, maybe.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
What it is is he he starts to the master,
maybe like not meaning to you, but what happens whoever
he's doing, he like does something he goes like a
little bit of a saw route partisan type route, and
then whatever he does that saw does really pisches off
the empire and that's what caused the empire to kind
of come down on him, which means which is why
he never goes that rude again. He decides to go
and go back and with the Demothma side of things

(41:18):
potentially not the possibility. I like that, I would say,
thinking like a soldia. Yeah, and so I think the
leader and being pissed them a little bit for doing it. Maybe,
I don't know. That's that's a lot potential there. I
kind of like, where your heads out of that? By
the way, just to interrupt a little bit, I just
saw this. I have this on the background. I do
have it on the background, but who's who's out to
Tony Gill. Oh my god, that does too. I pause it,

(41:41):
so I don't know, I don't I guess maybe they
submitted a video question. Maybe they're lucky enough to have
done that. I don't know what what, but they would
deserve it, so I definitely have to. I'm definitely gonna
go watch this as I'm doing my work afterwards. Here
she pitches this thing like, we really should have covered it,
but it is what it is, what you end, So
we'll go back to that at some point for sure.

(42:01):
Next we'll have did big coverage of that. Congratulations to
them as well. Always a good hardworking crew that have
deserved everything that they Nagano wonder Jed josephin Ken show
out it. Potentially I'm kind of keeping in the background whatever.
How the first time I saw somebody else I didn't recognize,
I was like, Oh, it's their video question. Okay, cool,

(42:23):
all right, cool. Another thing, let's say we have is
about a couple more things from Toning. Then we'll get
on to the actual and or show season one. Rather
though Roguol was a suicide mission, we don't know for
sure how many of the characters to and or will
make it out of the show alive. I'll generally explain, though,
it's all about what you put on the line emotionally
rather than what you whether you live or die everything.

(42:44):
I will say that as we finish the show, we're
mixing and doing color. When you're mixing and you're really
in there, and now you're at the end, all the
people who worked in the show, the effective time of
for twenty four episodes or five years of these intense
circumstances that these characters go through, with these amazing actors
and all the material that we've had to deal with
is not just whether you live or die, it's the damage,
the sacrifice you've made to the sacrifice you haven't made.

(43:05):
The five women, what they go through casting is sort
of Star Wars Jesus running through there. It's missing on
a character running through the middle. We know that story
that has its own complexities. But really I think the
surprising and shocking emotional punch will come from the collateral
damage and triumph of the people around him. Collateral damage,
lateral damage. It's gonna die, that's my guess.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, I mean, but like the collateral damage done if
he's the one that starts the massacre.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Oh yeah, that's true, that's true. Yeah, just thinking about
the characters, we know obviously, we know Cassian ain't dying.
We know k ts how aint dying. We know Crenic
cain't dying. We know mon Moth main't dying. We know
Sagerera ain't dying yet, but he is dying, not yet,
Bix And I mean Cassie is dying but not yet.
Uh spoiler for Rogue one. Ok, so I was dying

(43:54):
but not yet for one. Uh so I think the
big two would be luthen and actually the ones we
have to really probably worry about it and unfortunately unfortunately
hate I hate to say. And I hope God know,
hope he makes it through Rasso. God is gonna buy
the bullet. Cyril, Yeah, I think so too. I think

(44:16):
dr might too. I think Cyril Ddra might do it together.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
That's the She's the one that I'm curious about, because
I see I could see Cyril like sacrificing himself.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
For her and her just not giving a ship maybe,
but I think that that gives too much credit to Cyril.
I think we're gonna see a side of Cyril that's
like he he like has like a crush on or
anything else, but he's also he's there on I know,
I know, I wouldn't be surprised if he if she
dies and he takes a chance to go past her,
like that's the twist, like you think he would save

(44:49):
everybody's not going.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
To though, if he's just like lying there dying and
his mom is just like sitting like staying over him,
like ship, Yeah, he should taking the job with your uncle.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
You look at hark Harlow's disappointment a part of that,
all right? Yes, she is actually that he likes Edie,
so he's gonna be in there. Uh. Gil right, Also
confronted a sagra, will have expanded role in the second season.
He also tees that there will be a payoff to
the sexual attention between Cyril and Ddre. I don't want

(45:24):
to spoil anything, but they're unresolved when we leave them
in Ferris, aren't they? Is that goodbye? I doubt it?
What I leave two fascinating characters like that behind. There's
a lot of varieties in Romance in the second season
because it's over five years. People are going to do
what they do, so it's just fascinating varieties of love,
rites of relationships, but then what is this in coming
to tsunami of revolution and war due to people's relationships.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
It's gonna be like Dwight and Angela from the office,
almost like, oh, I'm really happy for the two of them.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
But oh, let's see. A canonical event that will be
depicked in the new season is mad Mathma leaving the Senate.
Geroi explained how this character will go through one of
the most traumatic arcsists next season. Canonically, there's this moment
is the quote. Now Codonically, there's this moment where she
leaves the Senate, and that's in our timeline, so definitely
dealing with that. But I would say, of all the

(46:14):
characters in the show, of all the halacious things that
people go through and all the difficulties and hardships, I
don't think anybody has a harder road than she does.
Because she has to do everything that everybody else does
with all the tension, fear and anxiety, and she has
to do it in public. She has Norah to hide,
and this season just ramps that up to an almost
unbearable point. What Genevieve is going to do in this
second season, we realized in the first season what a

(46:35):
brilliant actors she was, and then we hadn't found the
limits of what she could do. We still haven't found them.
But the opportunity to write for her and write her
story large was very important to me in the second season.
I am very happy to hear about that because I
am about fifty percent through the mask of fear and
rewatching and I realized just how much. Honestly, I think

(46:56):
moder Mafma's story is my favorite of the bunch, watching
her go through which is and I don't think it
has anything to do with the fact that we know
we get her an episode six or not. She's like
an original character or whatever. I just think her character
is fascinating to me. She is like trying to She's
just like woman who is trying her best despite not
being like she's being a very peaceful woman at heart,

(47:16):
being a very good woman at heart, trying to navigate
these waters. Like Tony Gilroy says in public involved with
the Senate itself, you know, this becomes like a the
leader of the rebellion. That's a fascinating rule for me
to see, especially with the characters she played against so
I'm very happy to see this.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
And the other day say, if you watch, if you
read the mask aphee, you'll see parent in a whole
new light. I'm like, no, you're no, don't you It's
still finished Parent, you always be almost okay. Uh what.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
I I don't know. I actually know. It's not that
I it's not that I see parent in a different light,
but I see who he used to be potentially okay,
and where he'd gotten to. I mean in and or
certainly fuck him absolutely and in master affair, he's not
that bad, not as bad because he's not there yet.

(48:16):
He's not as jaded and not as selfish as he's
just kind of like he's supportive for the most part.
He a little supportive with a little more supportive with Mom.
I think he's just kind of someone that is less
evil and more just kind of he's an opportunity. Self
is not even opportunities. I think it's he's just kind
of a self centered I think it's a self centered
I think it's not necessarily it's about like he just
doesn't want to I'm not a hero. I'm gonna do

(48:39):
what's good for my life, what's good for this, Like
what's happening in my sphere. The Gordon Masters over there.
I don't even know what the Gormans are. That's really
costs for my mind. This is my life. I gotta
center around what's going on in my life. I think
that's what he is. I think at one point he
was better than that. Though a little bit better than that,
at least towards mon. I actually like to see the

(49:00):
transition out of how it goes, and it's an interesting thing.
I think he's interesting to me, so I don't know,
not seeing him in a hold of light, but he
is more interesting to me after seeing a mask of
here so far it was to me because it's like,
that's what you've become. Yeah, but that's more interesting to
me instead of being one note entire time watching as
somebody grow or not grow or do vault de evolve.

(49:25):
That's why he's a more of an interesting storyline to me.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I hype he's the one that CASTI and shoots.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
That's sure. I don't think that may be good that
he might be. I would be surprised if man doesn't.
Bond has to do it.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I would cheer from the rooftops.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
She deserves it. Let's see. Also we got his comments
on Luthen. I think of Luthan as a startup CEO,
some guy who built a business in his garage for
fifteen years, built the revolution in his garage. He kicked
clay and then in al Dannie Season one they went
public and now they're out there now for the next
four years. How do you scale your company up? It's multinational.

(50:02):
How do you scale your little business that was so
successful in your garage and build it out? And if
your business is based on secrecy and paranoia, how hard
is that to do? And how well are you going
to play with others?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
And how well are you saying he's Mark Zuckerberg basically
maybe that makes sense?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Actually, And how welcoming are you going to be to
new ideas? Those are all those are all the friction
is going to be for him in the second half.
He has one speed, and that is to make this
all happen. He do anything for the revolution, anything.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Jesse Eisenberg as a young luth.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
And right, let's do it. And finally, also last thing,
I'll say, Oh, it's two more things real quick. Vix
another teased arc. It's not a huge epic journey for her,
for her huge epic journey. We talked about sacrifice. What
do you sacrifice in the altar of something that's grown

(50:53):
to What are two really important things come to you
at the same time. What if love and revolution come
to it same time and they don't play well together?
What do you do that will be the friction for her? Okay,
that makes sense, although it makes uh. And if there's
a love there and all of a sudden he goes
off and depends on when she leaves, because if it's
like the last arc that goes right around one and

(51:14):
all of a sudden, he's like with the Gin after
that little bit, I don't know. I think that the
Gin kiss was just it was a heat of the
moment thing. It was. It was like that the world's
gonna end Meg as well. Uh, let's see last bit
I'll say just for you go on. Cyril will not

(51:34):
be back by himself and the nurses. In two his
mother Edie will be back as well. They tease news
Shanigan's coming from this relationship. There will be some Eadie here,
That's all I'm gonna say. I happen to be a
big Eadie fan.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I mean, I'm I'm a big Edie fan. But oh so,
it's not like my hatred for parent.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
It's more like.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
My grandmother was very much the same and like nothing
I did was have a good enough right, but she
did it out of like what she perceived to be loved.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Right, So like Dye kind of reminds me of my nan.
She definitely loves him, absolutely, She's just a she's just
a not a great parent. She just thinks she's better
than she is. Yeah, all right, let's finish a naturally,
move on to It's now over an hour and you're
still going on that page. So I'm glad we didn't
push it back. I'll tell it next week. I'm gonna

(52:33):
watch it right after. But let's move on to our
meat potatoes of this show. We rewatched and or one
point zero four to one point zero six, not seven,
the Aldannie arc, and let's talk about it. How we
do this. We talk about it in chunks and categories.
Then of course you go into anything else we need
to do later on at the end. Let's get into it.

(52:56):
Our first category. We always talk about watch twenty twenty two.
I think we said right here twent twenty three eight.
But something a couple of years ago Honda watched did
Honda and Knack Up make his live action debut? We
wouldn't have a Honda watch if he still did so. No, no,
he did not. Oh that is something we have to discuss.

(53:17):
If you do get Honda, of course we will do it.
Was gonna be a next time he shows up, except
she's obvious gonna be Honda much forever. Okay, just fair
though I was I wasn't sure if that was gonna be.
Yeare the watch? He's never over? That watch is never over. Okay.
But of all the arcs in and Or, this is
the one that they could avoid him in. Potentially he

(53:39):
could have been one of the West stealing a shitload
of Imperial credits. If it wasn't Cassian, Lutheran was going
to hire Hondo. I like to think. So he's there
the background, he's he has Cassie's backup. That's what I
like to think.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
That it was Hondo that bought luth and the sent cars.
That couldn't be it absolutely Hondo on Earth at one point.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
The Honda or fee from the Bad Bad potentially, either way,
this is a good arc for him. Also, actually the
person would have been good for him too. You could
have seen Hondo languishing in prison at one point, and I.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Get would they would have broken out way quicker.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
That's true, that's true.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
One way out, one way out of my friends, this way,
this way, And it's literally just him pointing at a
door that has an exit sign on it.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Like the end's like I can't swim, and well, too
bad for you, my friends, good luck.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Oh he throws He throws Keno into a box and
then uses it as a flotation device.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
This would be part of the name that we also
put where where does Honda go in the show? And how? Yeah?
Kind of like what would that kind of like what
would that Harris play? I was about to say that
it's the sister to that I play class Action. I
like it. Yeah, we could do that, all right, We've
gone to the rest of our categories. First off, the
crew of favorite character of the week, who is our

(55:10):
favorite character of this art? Because we are doing this
in the art, we're not doing every episode. We're just
gonna do all in one arc, just like we're gonna
do the entertas two. That's the that is our brilliant way.
We're gonna cut around trying to do because when we
try to do three episodes once, we try to do
like two or three once. I full way through the
episode was so long it was not worth her time.
Don't we do three of bad Batch ones? I think
it might have been a bad Batch thing. It might

(55:31):
have been a bad Batch thing. So and that's easier
because that's like a twenty minute animated arc, and so
that's even easier. But so let us do it this way,
so we will lax our. The compromise we make is
we're gonna lax are like because we have like one
per thing at the one favorite character week. If you

(55:52):
want to bring up somebody else, we are able lacked
about that. And it's a three episode arc. So I'll
let you begin your character of your favorite character of
the arc. There's only one. I know, there's only one.
And first, yeah, a million Nemick is the reason why
we're here, the reason why we are here. Yep.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
He's the the young, bright eyed revolutionary that you're just like, man,
I wish you were right, I wish like the world
was exactly how you saw it.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Like.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
He's just got like these bright, wide bright eyes that
he's like, look, we could do this like the revolution,
like we can. And he's so intelligent and he's got
like such a like a viewpoint that you're just like, yes,
his kid gets it, and then we lose him. Yeah,
and it's fucking heartbreak.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Was watching it was a nut punch. It was a
nut crunch because you hear the crunch. Uh, no, you're
absolutely right. I mentioned this. I thought, I wrote this
down in my notes. He's one of the most important
characters of the entire show, and he's very important to

(57:09):
a specific part of the show, which is something that
isn't always highlighted well or properly. And I want to
also through out there that one of my other if
I had a secondary character like Mike, I'll choose a
different characters, as NEMC was mine as well, secondary and
I think one who's underrated quite a bit. And this
is a little bit partially retroactively from what we see

(57:31):
later on is Vell. I love Vell as well, And yes,
I know we we're looking looking forward. Spoiler if you
haven't watched and or beyond that, there take two seconds
to go away. Uh, it's been out for a while.
The fact we learned that a Vell is bond MAPA's
cousin later on, I had so much depth to this, like, oh,

(57:51):
this isn't just like a this is a rich person,
like a rich well to do type person comes from
like the higher upper eshleyon and they're getting on dirty
with the like lower class like working man class kind
of rebellion.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
I wonder if they if her and il crossbops in
the season two.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
I think they're going to. I really do. She's definitely
in season two. I make sure I looked it up.
I'm like, she's got that right, Yes she does. But
they both showcase a rebellion of characters. They are extremely nervous,
extremely like they they know they're doing right, but that
nervousness is palpable, like it's part of their character. A

(58:32):
lot of times you have his like badass rebellion characters
and who's gonna be there, They're gonna be doing the right.
And Cassie is one of those guys. He comes on,
He's like I'm gonna shoot tell easy control, get the
like get Luke Skywalker, who's adventurous, and these guys that
you can tell how scared they are, like the point
like they don't know if they're doing the right thing.
They still like the whole lot even as they're doing it.

(58:53):
They're kinda like you see Vela questioning herself the entire time.
You see and you see them kind of like questioning himself.
I love the part where Nemic after they we discover
that and Or is a mercenary, he goes up his
whole thing is like, I have a new part of
about Martian using mercenaries as a tool or whatever, the
role of mercenaries and rebellion using the tools that we have.

(59:14):
It's like you sat up all night and you justified
because you're so upset about this that he didn't that
Andrew didn't believe in the cause, that you justified why
him being there was a good thing. Still like like,
I'm gonna make it work. I gotta make this work.
So I'm out in my mind. And it's just a

(59:35):
great characterization of Nemica, and it's a phenomenal piece of work.
So I agree with that. But Ivell is my other
one for the same reason. I love the fact that
she's just like s got tough at the beginning. I mean,
she gets a little lamb based by Luthen, but she's
still pretty tough. But then you see her go through
these things where like you know that she doesn't know
everything and the fact that she's from the upper class,
she doesn't have the same experience that ultimate others have.

(59:59):
But I love your played really well by the same
actress she played the Waif and Game of the Thrones. Uh,
really wonderful performance. I do. I like her quite about so.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I want to I want to shout Vaida Sephi from
who plays Center. Yes, she is from my hometown. I
have seen her around a lot, so I've seen her
on this show. I was kind of like, that's the
woman that goes to my gym, That's the woman I
see in the Lebanese restaurants sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Also the woman who's going to be on your screens
for Doctor Who's season two is the new companion by
the way, is she They awesome? Great for her?

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
But what like seeing her in Star Wars, I was like,
I didn't know her name at the time, but she's
someone that like I obviously see because my hometown is
very small, right, so like seeing her on on screen
doing Star Wars, I was just like, fucking hell, someone
from my little hometown made.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
It, and that that was just cool to see very cool.
I haven't seen hell to her like in public. I'm
almost kind of too scaty. You should you get out
on the show, Come on the show, tell her I
do a Holy Snokes and we'll do the Holy Stokes
and uh the box crossover, so do the cross talking
about Star Wars and doctor who the other one I

(01:01:21):
want to shout out. I don't think gets nearly enough
attention or love is major part of Guys. Didre's boss?
I just love how he plays that role. He's not
the usual bumbling imperial kind of guy we're used to.

(01:01:42):
He's not the Tarken cretic when we're used to either.
He's just a very competent but also kind of Uh
does play one of the mast Is in Game of Thrones.
I believe he does. Actually, I believe he does. He
is you see who did get that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
It's like later on he's like the one that like
dresses all in black. It's like always with Sassy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I don't know if it's the same one. Let me
look that up. You Yes, he is Kyburn. That's right,
he is Kyburn. And that's right he is Kyburn. Like
I didn't realize that until you mentioned that. But like, Wow,

(01:02:30):
that's the whole duty there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Yeah, and you know who else we also get imperial
wise we see wolf.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
You lat yes, we do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
We just en.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
That's true, but depends what I was saying. A major party,
and I want to say that you don't get that
imperial who is extremely competent, but not like blood thirstly
trying to like reach the top. He's like comfortable in
his role what he is, like, he knows where he is,
he knows what he's doing. He's not gonna allow the

(01:03:00):
sexism of the empire to make him overlook d Joe's
good work. But he's also not gonna cut her and
any slack either.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
But he loved the moment where they have that meeting
and he walks out and he just goes, watch your back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Yep. It's part of that way. And you know he
has them all. I don't want an exact line. It's
kind of like it's unfair, but it's true. You have it.
It's life, so you have to live with it, so
you have to work harder, and I know you can
do it. I love that you're doing again the compent
he's like blah blah blah, but he also didn't cut
a slack like the other guy that we did, the
other pompous guy who's in charge of the Ferosh sector
or whatever. He's like, he's like he runs twelve sectors

(01:03:38):
two or three, and his paperwork is in while yours
is not. And it's like, okay, I see it. I
just And he also just has a way of delivering
line of dialogue.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
I think he Junior is a little bit a little
bit and it's just like, look, I'm not this is
This isn't because you're a woman. It's because you kind
of suck at your job.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
You're sucking in this way. You're good in this other part.
I'm gonna sy end you more of this because you're
doing really good on this side. But I can't count
out to you. He's doing what he's supposed to do.
You are not at this point, right, So it's just
a very he's a very unique character in the imperial
side of things, and I just wanted to definitely give
him a proper shout out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I hope he definitely plays inte like the game of
fronds of this of it, because he's like he's seeing
how it's playing out between Dedura and the other guy,
right and he's kind of like sitting back and just
like putting her in a position, almost putting her in
a position to fail, and seeing how she does with it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Absolutely, I love it. I love the idea of it,
and I think it's it's it's good for it's good
for the show. It adds a lot of depth to it.
I think. So, all right, you got any other characters
you want to highlight? You move on to? Uh not yet,
one will come up, though, Okay, I spect our favorite
lions out right now, favorite lions of dialogue. Okayr favorite

(01:04:51):
lines of dialogue from the episode arc. I will let
you go first, because you're at the tick.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
The answer here this is a line so good and
it hit me so hard. It is the title of
the Next Morna Song. I have quoted him in my
lyrics for the Next Morning Song because it hit me
so damn hard that I was like, that is fucking genius.

(01:05:17):
The tree remembers that the Acts Forgets now it's our
time to do the chopping.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
I did write that down as well. That is a
very very powerful quote, very very powerful quote.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
One of the Acts for Gets coming out this summer.
But yeah, skiing the character of skiing. Also Richie Cousin,
Richie Ebon mass.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Backcrap, Yeah, that's right. Incredible actor, incredible, Oh, absolutely incredible
as Ben Grimm in The Fantastic four. Oh Ship, that's right,
he's playing of course, he's in the Bear. Alan White
is coming to Mandalorin and gro Goose. We have two
of them in there. I get somebody else from the Barreck.
Can we get John bernhal And in Star Wars maybe

(01:06:07):
that would be cool? And can we get Matty Matheson? Well,
one are the two brothers Dames. I forget the cousins.
The cousins, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
I can't remember their names, but I know Matty Mathison
plays one of them. He's the tattooed guy. He's a
he's a real life Chefeah, he's a real life chef. Okay,
Like I watched his cooking shows on YouTube quite a lot.
He's got multiple like Mission and Style restaurants around the world. Really,

(01:06:40):
I did not know that that was this whole thing
that like those side tangent on the Bear. He when
he was offered the role, he said, I don't want
to play a chef. I want to play like a
plumber or someone like that. He was like, I don't
want to be a chef. I'm too close to the
role because he's not an actor.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Yeah, it never has been. He used to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
He used to do stupid ship on Vice, getting drunk
and high and doing stupid things on Vice.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
That is funny because there are those two Those two
bits are some of my favorite bits of the whole show.
Like I wouldn't I couldn't see a whole show of
them because there it'd be it'd be too much, not
too much to have them the whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
And just go go watch his series on Vice. And
it's pretty much that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Fact. That's the fact, brothers, that's what I God, I
did not know that awesome. That's awesome. I love them
so okay anyway, uh no, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Ev Evon must backrack incredible act that and the way
he delivers that line as well, it's so like cold
and cutting mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
It even really sat with me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I was like, even now to the point where I'm
remembering it, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna title my
next song at Forget. I'm gonna quote him in the
chorus of this song.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
The main part of the song that's awesome that is
really awesome. I will throw out the other one that
has stuck with me, especially through some times more recently
than not. I would say, uh, neme, it's easier to
hide behind forty atrocities than a single Listen. Yeah, it's like, wow,

(01:08:25):
it's so accurate, it's so truthful about about passionism. It's
what they do, and it's that's amazing that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
That fascism doesn't always want Jack boots.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Yeah, perfect, stuff like that. I love that again. That's
one of the reason why Nemck was my one the
character week for example, just delivered that line with such
a plum, such very knowledgeable, wonderfully done. I do have
another line that you're gonna hate. You're gonna hate this.
This is one of my favorite lines, but it is

(01:08:57):
why does everything have to be boring?

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Inside that motherfucker?

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
So definitively Karen. I couldn't help it write it down
and go, this is this defines this character? Why does
everything have to be boring? And sad?

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Karen would be one of those guys that's like, why
did why does there have to be politics and star Wars?
He would be one of those guys you'd be like,
why why did we have to make everything political?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Why? Why does everything have to be woke?

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
He would be, he would one thousand percent me one
of those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
You're not wrong, You're absolutely not wrong. Why I fucking
hate him, but I love him as a character. I
hate I hate, I hate the characters. I hate him.
What he does I don't like like like him. He
does a good job to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Performs incredible because it makes me despise him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Then line delivery was just my one, my favorite of
the other art so couple. Then the other one off Thropp.
Do you have any throws you want lay? The other one,
it's a typical one, but it's just it's more line
delivery than the actual line of dialog. Good old Luthen.
I mean, let's be honest. When he he knows how

(01:10:17):
to get your attention, he knows how to shut someone up,
like stop being a little bit, you're gonna look at
your You're gonna I'm in charge, I'm the I'm the captain,
although he's always the captain. That's basically what he does.
This is like a review.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
We get to see probably have like the quote of
the week every week, quote the arc every every week.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Absolutely especially the next one. Well, that's the funny point here.
You have that one versus keynote. In a way, it's
like episode it is the same episode. Yeah, you're right,
it's amazing. I mean that those two like speeches are
on the same episode. Holy shit, we'll get together, all right,

(01:10:58):
let's go on to our next They put that in
your Whole Crown and snooke It explore more Laura's. When
we take a look at something that we want to
get more out of, we want to know more about
their life, their situation, or something like a background or
something we want to get more out of, maybe a
colic book or a book about it or something to
that effect. What did we want to learn more from?

(01:11:18):
I'll throw I have a bunch of them that get
through out there. So the first one, first one, I'm
going to get out of the way. Sorry, kind of
sad it's Vell. I kind of like I like Vel's
so much. I kind of want to see how she
came to be where she is, what happened with her
her background or she revolutionized? How did she get how
did she meet? Like Luthen was like Bell just hanging
around with man Matha and Luthen was around and just

(01:11:40):
I don't know. It just seems like it's a very
fast thing. I didn't bond pull her in. Man's seemed
to be always to be. I can't remember because we
haven't seen it yet. We'll see next hours to revisit
nextr I can't remember. But Mom didn't seem to be
too happy that she was involved in things too much,
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
I think she's like the little sister that's kind of
like going off and boing, and one month's like the
old the sister that's like making a mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Right right, Yeah, okay, go light to your first one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
I want to know more about skiing, because he had
the story about his brother.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
For a second, I thought he said skiing, like we're
skiing down there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
I mean maybe he was skiing, who knows, We don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Go ahead, I'm sorry. You know he had this story
about his brother.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Then his brother had the ship and then got shot
and stuff, and that turned out to be a lie, right,
Like what is his actual.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
It's kind of like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
He's this scumbag. But he wouldn't be doing this mission
if he didn't have a reason. Yeah, unless he is
there just to incite violence and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Get chas he's just chaos. I mean, he could be
a handle that character without the humor that could be
his thing. He could just be like whatever, whatever works
for skiing works sure. And also Cinta like, where the
hell did she go? It said to that in the
wrong group. She seems like she should be a partisan, right,
I think she she might be. Yeah, I could see her.

(01:13:08):
I could totally see her. They're going off the rails
and like designed to join joints. Wasn't she the one
that killed I'm pretty sure they killed that officer and
his wife and kid. They didn't kill the wife and kid.
They killed the big officer guy though. Oh, I'm pretty
sure that because she was walking away. Oh you know what, Yeah,
we know, we don't. I'm pretty sure she killed the
wife and kid. You know what. I didn't even pick

(01:13:29):
up on that. It's possible. It's definitely possible. They never
showed it. But they never showed them alive afterwards, either,
So that's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
She and she because she just like she takes the
helmet off and throws it down and then walks.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Off, all right, Yeah, and it's just like she just
killed the kid. Wow, huh, didn't even didn't even like
amaze me. I mean, we don't actually know, but I
guess it's possible. So all right, all right, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
If she pops up with Silgerrera in season two, then
that kind of answered.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
The question, right right, maybe that's possible. Okay, next up,
well I'll say it, but we only talk about it
the gor. I always wanted to know more about the
Gorn masker, so we're gonna find out more about the maskers.
So there you go. But here's what I will ask.
I want to know more about the MafA dinner parties
with sly More. I think we were going to see it,

(01:14:24):
so I thought so too. Sly Moore has always been
one of my kind of like favorite club shadows of
the the precal trilogy. I've loved the idea is this
person like we know who Palatine is, obviously, we know
we know who the Vizier is. We know who he is.
I'm black guy's name. All of a sudden, why are
my black guy's name? You know I'm talking to the
Big The big guy is his right hand man. Yeah,

(01:14:47):
I forget your name. Now we're bad star Wars. I
know his thoughts for the dad. Yeah, I know, I
keep saying too. I keep thinking, mom, like, Mama, I
know it's not what's his name, Grand Vizier, And I
know he has a name he does. Why did you

(01:15:09):
just call it grand? He's just called viz Massameta that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
I wasn't going Wikipedia like he's just listed as Grand VisiC. Yeah,
I wasn't there anything that Slime was the one that
Popsine got pregnant.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
That was a I don't think that was ever officially
in there like that. That might have been one of
those kind of vague rules. Well, the rumor was that
they were fucking right there. That was definitely rumor. I
even wrote fan fection about that, not plarly the act,
but that she was that she was like, actually, I
think I had a fund of a combine kind of
conkeybine kind of thing, and that that she was for
sensitive and yeah, he was right, Yeah, I think she was.

(01:15:47):
That was part of the reason why I kept her around.
I believe that's what it was. But I but she's
always fascinated me as a character. I was she has
this great look about her and then like, you know,
she's in the inner circle, but you don't know anything
more about that the only thing you really know is
you see her like in the opera house box. You
see like so bluishy they mentioned her like the buff part.
Like I gotta want to know more about this, this
character and his dinners. Let's get let's get more about that.

(01:16:12):
Any more you got for this or no, that's it.
One more thing I want to know is the skin
has those tattoos the creed head and by the hand,
what do those necessarily mean? He's pointing those out, He's
like he wants out this is that? This is that thing?
Is the previous rebellion rebellions groups, gangs he was in.
I think I think about like prison tattoos. Maybe, yeah,

(01:16:33):
I could be it because he's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Talking to when he's talking to Cassie and he's he's
looking at Cassian's one right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Where did you get that? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
It seems like Cassie knew what he was talking about too,
So that was just interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
So m.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
All right, next up then seeing a lot of action
where in action bits of the arcs. Uh, yeah, it
seems like that's what Andrew does. It's like kind of
like Littburns and we're gonna throw all big actions seatsha
and this is the action at the end, and specifically
I want to mention dog fight, dog fight in the
eyes phenomenal, phenomenal, phenomenal, just like, first of all, the

(01:17:11):
eye in general beautiful. I can see why the group
travels a thousand of miles ever to see it or
whatever one hundred miles to see it and watching it
go ahead. But Dad can fly through it and fight
through it and have the tie fight in great tense
moment and or kicking ass there. And I had to say,
partially because of that one thing that this show has

(01:17:32):
done extremely well, extremely well making ties scary again.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Making to say, yeah, that would that was probably gonna be.
I had like two moments picked out. That was definitely
one of them, just the moment where they're like they're
looking around, they hear the tie and you hear the
noise and you're like, oh shit, but it's just one tie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Yeah. Other shows like The Rebels as are like dime
a dozen. They're like like like fodder, we could blow
them all up, we steal one all the time, like
Regular Start, They're just not as scary. Eventually. It's kind
of like Supernatural. If you watch Supernatural, hell the first
season Supernatural, the Black Eyed Demons were like the ultimate
They were so strong, so powerful. By the time I
season six or seven roals around seventeen, you are like

(01:18:17):
offering them like there's a while left and right another problem.
That's what Stifander kind of became. But initial we get
to it when we talked about the Last Stop. But
it does the same with Stormtroopers because you have the
Molana gods who are essentially bumbling idiots. Apart from Moss.
I'm not saying respect.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
He could have been a death Trooper if he wanted
to be. Like they They made stormtroopers intimidating again, you know,
and they made a single tie scary as hell because
they're essentially they're out there in these fields, barely any
weapons out here in the fields, essentially like posing a

(01:18:58):
sheep hud is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Yeah, yeah, very powerful stuff. I I I was very
impressed with how he did that, and it's good for
the rebellion. It makes makes the empire seem more oppressive
and more worthy of revolution, because sometimes Star Wars can
get caught up in the bumbling imperials, the bubbling storm
stop where you can't shoot a thing. Rebels said that
a lot like rebels. He didn't worry about the rebels

(01:19:19):
unless until like except for outside the Grand Inquisitor or
like when Vader showed up, or ever Madels there, whatever,
you worried about them. But the storm troopers are there,
callous you worried about a little bit. But like Colos's
troops but u but there was like he's some cops
kind of an away. Sometimes this does a good job
of that. I think, yeah, okay. Theother one would be

(01:19:43):
the actual fight on the ship as they're leaving. There
was a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
There was a moment when they were like they were
grappling with one of the guards and he cut the
guard kind of fools, and I was like something in me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
The first time I watched it was like keep an
eye on that, like remember.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
That because it's the god that comes up as they're
trying to escape, right and he's there, they're grappling with him, and.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Then you hit the crunch right right, and I'm like,
where the fuck is namic crunched, crunched. Oh oh. Fight
sequence was a phenomenal. A lot about the gunfight was
great attention there. When I forgot the characters named, the
character who comes in early and Goren's like, I'm giving

(01:20:33):
you a direct order. You're you're not supposed to be
here kind of thing. That whole tension there is a
great we didn't talk about him, talk about Gorn or
Trainman for that matter. They're both great characters. They're both
have some great trend being the ex Imperial kind of
what they wanted fit to be the Jedi. He's so good,
so good at that, But Gorn has some amazing deliveries too,

(01:20:54):
and he has that great delivery, Uh, you're gonna hang
for this seven years serving under you and deserve us that.
That was a great That was a awesome line.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Uh, and what a smart like most of these actors
are like British former British stage actors.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Feels that way. It totally feels that way. I love
another one I love from Goring is that how intelligent
is the character where he, like, you know, he wants
to clear out the vaults as much as possible that
night for the heist he had, but he has that
moment where he basically said, everybody's gonna stay in and
miss the eye because you didn't do this, Like it's

(01:21:32):
the opposite of what he wants but he gets them
to go, oh, sir say they everybody wants to see
the eye, you know, can wean? And he goes, bye,
I want that's been shined done by tomorrow morning. But
now everybody can get out. So he GE's exactly what
he wants, even though he looks like he wanted to
like totally makes him look blameless. It's a great way
to have that character like feel like he was blameless,
you know what I mean. It's so well done. It's

(01:21:54):
just spartan way to do it. So loved him, loved
him a lot ofcorn r I P. Gordon? How was
she had made through?

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
I wish she had made through it. I guess it
made more sense than some of them are gonna die.
But as it is, all right, how about laugh it up, Fuzzball.
Our famous funny moments are comic moments. It's not a
lot of comic moments in this show, be honestly, but
they have. There was one that a real good giggle

(01:22:20):
at me was when.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Skiing was kind of introducing Cassie into the to the
crew and he points out Cinsa and like like Cassie
and like looks uh kind of like hmm. And then
Ski is just like, hey, man, you're not how type
trust or something that is taken. And then you see

(01:22:46):
her about walking into the hot together and you're like, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Good for you guys, good for you guys. You guys
all right, I did have one. And then it comes
back to my boy. Uh, mister Mosque, he's being there
to being talked down to you by the this is
this is awful and awful. Seriously, he just goes puts

(01:23:14):
his head down. It's like he is the comic relief
of this show. The show is so much better when
he is in it. I can't lie, I can't lie.
He's better when he's in it. So fun, so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
So when when Honda Watch does end, we will give
a breathing period to Honda Watch and we will have
most Watch.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Which is never wort. Were probably gona have again. Unfortunately
it's new chance of that. I don't think. But he's
not even in season two. Maybe he is. He said
he is an in season two, but he's trying to
hide it. He's lying. I don't think. I don't think
he's gonna be. It has to be the people demand it.
I would definitely we are the people. We are the
people whoever the only two? But we are the people,

(01:23:58):
Tody Oready.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
That would have been the question that we don't asked
if we were on this fucking panel.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
What does it take? What do I have to give
you to bring brings?

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Yeah, that would be the only question people would be
expecting us to ask about Hondo.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
We'd be like, no, moss Watch. Maybe maybe for twenty
maybe for energies into, we should do mass Watch. We'll postpone.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
I think that would be a good Yeah, okay, yeah,
we'll make an executive decision that that is gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Be a mass watch. Now the funny how funny would
it be? Of course, the Hondo does appear like, well,
we don't have under Watch on. It's like watching the toaster.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
You know what the phrase is, when you love, when
you're trying to find true love, stop looking, start seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
I love it. Moss Watch is a thing for for
androids into I love it. At least are four episodes
of Always Know. I also, I don't know if this
is really a comic laugh it up moment, but I
did get kind of a chuckle when you see Luthan
change into antiquities Luthen. Oh yeah, And it goes pretty,

(01:25:06):
which is the big gun, and you see that just
the smile goes on. I was like, damn, that's awesome.
But it did maybe a gig a little bit too.
That's fun. So all right. I guess we should rate
these bad boys on a scale of one to eleven,
because they always rank things. We always turn things up

(01:25:26):
to eleven around Pod projects. By the way, Spinel tap
two is have the teaser out now if you have
missed it, small teaser and they turn things up to eleven.
Can't wait for that. No, not down the teaser. Maybe
that's when maybe you're saving that from the movie itself.
I don't know parts out of eleven? Uh, what do
you the first episode eleven? Yeah, the first episode of

(01:25:48):
eleven before we were doing the whole arc. Oh don't know.
I did the what this last time I did the episodes.
We'll do like as far as okay, So first episode
nine and a half I gave it a nine second.
I gave an eight second I would give ten, and

(01:26:08):
the third I gave it Eleven'll give eleven. Yeah, not bad,
not too bad at all. Anything else we need we
haven't talked about this week, though, we we should we
didn't really talk much about the imperial side of things.
We mentioned a little bit about the imperials, like with
part of Guys and things like that. But this is
our introduction to d Dremeros, a character they come into

(01:26:30):
play a lot more. Yeah, I do love D's character.
I think she is like because of the Atlanta sexism
in the Empire, how she tries so hard but she
is half her faults of her own. I love her
as a character. I think she's got a lot. If
you ever watched her interviews Denise go go, I think

(01:26:50):
don't how to pronounce it would be tough as.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Far as yeah, it'd be like van go right, Yeah, yeah,
she is like has zero clear that star the true Yeah,
like you asked, she doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
There's an interview from season one where she's like, I
don't even know what he walks off and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
I was just like, bless you. That's all. That's all good,
that's all good. But yeah, the apperials are. It's a
fun time. Gets to see our introduction to Lonnie, who
actually actually comes to play. Yeah, yeah, I forgot Lannie.
She goes up in this arc yet, and we didn't
talk much about Edie. We mentioned her a few times

(01:27:31):
like before about her coming back. But Edie is a
great fun character, another one with the I don't want
to punch an all them in the face, but she's
got a very punishable attitude. Do you know there is
actually another.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Star Wars connection between Dennis go and another Star Wars
another actor in Star Wars. She is in the Robin
Hood movie with Oscar Isaac, the one that Russell Croye
plays Robin Itt.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
That. Oh, that's fair interesting connection there. Don't watch a
movie that's terrible. No, very Eedy and Cyril are fun together.
Edians are already fun together. Zero being like, I actually
liked Cereal a little bit more this time through because
he's just kind of getting his ass hand. I understood
him a bit. Yeah, he gets understand it. He's definitely

(01:28:21):
he's definitely in cella. Don't like having it, and he
makes the wrong decision most of the time, but I
do have a little bit of understanding and sympathy or
what goes on there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
I do love the one shot where like he accepts
the job and he's in the Cubic corn. It's very
much like a shot from Severans right where he's just
sitting in the cubic corn. It just like pans out
and then you just like see all these like cubicles
in this like the imperial work machine, right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
And it's just like you, poor son of a bitch
or son of a betch or some of a betch.
Let's see, we didn't really mention the imperial in his family.
I don't want my funny line there about the the
suit's been compressed. Perhaps you expanding that is good? Yeah,
that ship, yeah, that was a good They for sure died. Yeah,

(01:29:09):
I I'm willing to go there. Like, you have a
lot of theories, and I kind of like you're you're
you're nuts, you're nuts batty. Uh. But there are times
when like at.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Least my theories don't go overboard like some people who
call themselves theories.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Oh yeah, no no, no, yeah no, they're your your
food are fun. Yeah, Like I have really outlines one too.
You're just yeah, you just have the stupid, fun, silly
ones which are good. But this is actually actually legit. Okay,
like threw everything down that she was just like I
was just so caught up with like them getting out

(01:29:42):
and being heard and the dog fighting outside of Sorr.
I mean, oh, they're just showing her leaving. Oh, she
must be going with She must have a backup plan
to get out somehow or get off planet somehow. Didn't
even think about her leaving them behind. But yeah, it
makes Let's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Talk about one thing we didn't mention about the episode,
the visuals of the Eye of al Donnie.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
Yeah, yes, a little during the arc the dogfight. But yeah,
that is a beautiful piece of work. Beautiful piece of work.
I love it so much, So all right, anything else
is that in? Because it got it? I think we
we did it. I can go back and watch next

(01:30:19):
week's news topic partially probably I got other work to
do too. We'll work on the folks. Find you many.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
You can find me on all social media at Matty Morner.
You can find my band Morna m ou Are any
art on all streaming platforms. As I mentioned, we've got
a new still coming out in the summer. There is
a cost the Acts Forgets, and it's inspired by Handle.
The whole ep is inspired by and.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Or like there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
There's another song in that by in the Sunrise, which
you can tell where I got that title from.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
I think we can tell very well where that comes
from as well. So sure things, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Enough, if you come there and watch us this summer,
we will be walking on. We will be walking on
stage to a reprised version of Luthen's monologue.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Nice, Nice, Nice say. I thought you're gonna say you're
walking on Sunshine. No, but that is on the playlist
of songs that we'll be playing before before that someth
comes on. Nice. I think it's off the span out.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
It's between spand Out Bally spand Out, Ballet's Gold and
Billy Ocean's Cabby and Queen Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
Both both good choices, both solid choices, for sure. All right,
you can find me in Paula Shorts NEWSI on the
old Blue Skys where I hang out on social media
these days, you know, I did everywhere else Blue Skys
by my home as it were, find me all over
this channel. Obby City is. My name is on the tin.
As many likes to say, it shows that we got
going on. We got the two middle aged geeks on film,

(01:31:45):
PJ and I doing, We're gonna to go doing. We're
about to enter our Superman phase, and we've got lead
up to the James Gunn Superman on Patreon, uh, Patreon,
dot com, slash pld projects. We have started our MCU
we watched. We have Iron Man out on that and
YouTube member exclusive by the way, if you want to
do that as well. Incredible w Hole coming out next
Week're hearing to go on every other week because our

(01:32:07):
show is generally every other week, so the opposite week
will be our Patreon exclusive. They will come out to
the main channel eventually, but the way I was doing scheduling,
oh man, I don't think you're going to see them
on the main channel til like December, probably, but that
is what it is. You can find me all over.
I got Lego need to review our v show every
other week as well. I do my Crown Jewels Queen
show every week every week as well in the Sisters

(01:32:27):
YouTube channel. Also got some audio feed and finally, of
course Class Action Live. It returns in March. We have
an actual announcement. I don't think. I don't think I
said this anywhere else. I think we don't. I think
you put it on the on the schedule graphic. I
might have put on the schedule. You know you're right.
I think I did. You're absolutely right. I did so gegigraphic.
It is if you hadn't seen that sigil graphic. We

(01:32:47):
are here with gene Hafn tribute. We're going to be
doing the great class action favorite. We've actually done this
film before Crimson Tide, but it's been a long time,
so I don't remember what I said about it. So
I thought you've done this whole match up before. I
was like ready to go into this as a rematch. No.
We did Crimson Tide versus Hunter Rod October last time,

(01:33:09):
two submarine movies, which was a good fun time for sure.
This is the Hackman of it all and Tony Scott
of it all. So it's Crimson Tied versus Enemy of
the States, which should be a lot of fun. That's
gonna be the twenty Monday to twenty fourth. I want
to say it is twenty first, isn't it. I don't
know if I don't know what, right, Let's see, we
have such great content. We were just going to continuously this.

(01:33:30):
It is Monday the twenty fourth, Thanks for okay, Yeah, alright,
I get that right, all right, and that I'll do
it for us. We will see you back here next
week where we cover in nor Seasons one episode seven
eight and nine. So I did that purposely seven eight
and nine, did us? The seventh to ten? Seven eight
and nine and whoever? News drops include seven nine, seven

(01:33:55):
eight nine, and on that night and that note, We'll
see you next week. May the Force be with you
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