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Speaker 1 (00:10):
PLD Project presents Holy Snakes, a Star Wars podcast featuring
PLD and Mattie Gutner.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
You may the Force be with you always. What's up, everybody?

(00:40):
Welcome back to Holy Snokes, a Star Wars podcast or
the PLD Networks. And look at it, and it looks
like Maddie still hasn't shown up. He's about to get
fired after three weeks, three episodes missed. I don't know
what I can do about this. Mother, Oh there he is.
What's up, Maddie? How are you? You're muted too?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Look at this is brilliant. Men, you're trying to side.
You've tried to fire me from Class Action. You've tried
to silence me on class Action, you tried to fire
me from Holy Smokes, and you just can't get rid
of me.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Dude, Stop trying, no matter what I try. And now,
after the announcement, I'll be seeing you in person, most
likely in twenty twenty seven. We'll get to that soon,
of course, but Mattie, you are back on Holy Stoves
after your trip to Japan to see a celebration in person.
We have a lot of stuff to talk about today. Obviously,

(01:36):
we want to talk about your experience well, whether it's
good or bad, and or somewhere in between or all
over the place, we'll find out. We have news that
I want to talk to you about, you know, I
want to get your take on some of the news
that dropped the celebration. And since I only did one
live stream over the course of the weekend early, I
got a little bit busier than I thought I might.
I only touch base on a few things, or even

(01:56):
some news stories I haven't even commented on yet, So
we'll get to that as well. But as our main
story today, our main topic of discussion, Indoor Season two
has finally come out, after a long, long wait, long
build up, anticipating this for quite a while, the most
critically acclaimed Star Wars piece of content since I think

(02:19):
since the original trilogy. Honestly, it seems like it's this
has gotten the most attention from critics, divisive among some
fans honestly, but overall not the quality, but maybe how
some of the things are tackled. But we're gonna get
into all that discourse for sure, And in this case,
when we do the big show reviews, as we tend
to do after all the episodes drop, we are going
to do that first and talk about that, and then

(02:40):
we'll get into Maddie's travels across the world and what
they uncovered, as it were. So we're gonna get right
into and Or season two the first three episodes drop.
We are getting basically a Star Wars movie a week
for four weeks. We had a lot of things to
talk about, a lot of discussions that have already popped up,

(03:03):
some devisives, mostly positive overall, but there's definitely some divis
on us to it. That's now how we do things
on this show. What we do is we take these
and break them down into little segments first. That's how
we review the show, and then we get into the
roundabout and do the quote unquote catch up of everything else.
So let's get right into it. First of all, I'll

(03:23):
ask you, Maddy, how are you feeling now that and
Or has come out? How are you feeling?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
I don't enjoy watching this show. And that's the point. Yeah,
fascism isn't supposed to be a throw riot.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
This is.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
This is an uncomfortable watch. Now, when I say I
don't enjoy it, I'm not saying it's bad. That's not
me saying that is a poorly made pieceive of cinema
of television that the performances are tont ten, the writing

(04:01):
is ten out of ten. It just makes me so
damn uncomfortable to watch and it feels suffocating. Yeah, it
has some some funny ha ha moments, which we're gonna
get to in a segment, but for ninety eight I
would say ninety eight point five percent of the time,

(04:23):
it's an uncomfortable watch and it's supposed to be that way.
So I think this show is doing a fantastic job
of what it's supposed to do, but what it's supposed
to do makes me feel very uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Oh, I guess that's that's actually a very strong way
to describe it. I definitely after you said that, I
hate saying I enjoyed it, but I did enjoy the
I did enjoy my viewing because I thought it was
a very deep, in depth look at something that is
necessary to look at. It is Star Wars, Like we
don't see Star Wars a lot of time, which is
some of the problem for some people, I believe, but

(05:00):
we'll get into that. I don't leave it there. I
was actually very excited about watching this and I am
now even more excited to see the rest of the
season as it envelops. I will say, having talked to you,
I'm not one of the lucky. You've seen a bunch
of people out there that have already seen all swell episodes.
I've talked to a few of them, and almost to

(05:20):
a tea. They all say that the first two episodes
were the slowest episode and the probably the worst of
the bunch, and that the rest of the episode just
starts episode three and kind of just takes off and
never looks back. And some of the best Star Wars TV,
some of the best TV in general. So let's get

(05:40):
into it, because we have a lot to talk about
the discourse wise, I want to do our segments first.
Our first segment as not as always, but for now
our own little try to be humorous at this. Say,
in the game we're doing not Honda, watch Mosque, watch
and the answer do we see Sergeant Linus Mosque, former
Sergeant Linus Mosque. The answer is no. However, I will

(06:05):
say that I look at Wikipedia and there is a
rebel character. I believe a rebel character one of those
characters in the background that was named Musk and I, Uh,
while some people might think of the overlord of the
Bad Place, I thought maybe it was Mosque, give.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Me America to the load in America.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I did the Bad Place. You take it as you will.
That goes. But no, we did not get Sergeant Linus
Musque unfortunately in and Or season two, and I don't
think we're going to get them, unfortunately. We try to
will it into existence. But watching us more and more.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's been three out of twelve. Why are your purchased?
You've got nine more episodes left to go.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I know I'm trying. I guess I just don't want
my hopes to be shattered. See, I'm trying to live
down my hope. You still have hope.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I don't have a law of hard when it comes
to this show. But yeah, I guess seeing Linus it's
weird how seeing a complete fascist is one of the
things that's giving us.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
I know, right absolutely, Like, uh, I'm I'm normally the
ayap one on the show, but looking for a cop
to give me some enjoyment.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
It's weird. It's a it's a weird feeling. But he's
a glove shit in place upondo for this show. So yeah,
there really is in this way, so he's hilarious. Let's
set's not pretends he's hious. Is absolutely hilarious, absolute larious.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Let's get down to business with our real, actual rest
of our actual episode talk as we're first category this way,
we're going to talk about is crew member of the
Weaker favorite character of the week. I call it Cumber
because that's what we did for Skeleton Crew. We never
really came up with the name for and Or, but
basically it's just our character of the week who was
our favorite character of Uh, we're gonna do all three
episodes at once. That's how we're gonna do is. I
should have mentioned that up top. We're not gonna do

(07:51):
episode by episode because basically it was one whole story
all over. Of course the three episodes, we're just gonna
go all out. Favorite character of the first three episode arc, Maddi.
I'm gonna let you start.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
I'm gonna say it. Then I'm gonna drop it because
we're gonna talk about it.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Okay, Brasso, Brasso, Okay, that's fair. Okay, I will drop
mine and I will go into it a little bit.
I had two choices. I'm gonna give you my runner
up first, the one I wanted to specifically because I
don't know if she's gotten a lot of love yet.
I think she will, though I'm looking forward to her
future in this series. This season, that's Claia. Okay, I

(08:30):
like what I see I Claia so far. She's actually
feels a little more, a little more front and center
in the first couple episodes. I mean not really, she's
not a leading character still, but I feel like she's
taken a little bit of a step up from last season,
and I think she's gonna get more involved. She was
more kind of in your face with some of her
comments to Luthen. She seemed like more almost of an

(08:51):
equal with Luthen this time instead of I mean, she's
definitely louth is still definitely the leader of that will SEC,
but like she's not taking a lot of shit and
she's gonna be like, hey, you got to focus up,
slap in the face and let's let's say do things right.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Well, I mean, when they landed, she said that we're
in a dead zone. I told you that that sigmas
were off the table once we landed. She is he
just kind of.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Was just like, oh shit, so right away. Boom. I
like her very much, and I like getting to see
the shop again. By the way, I was scared of working.
To get to see the shop right away. I got
to see some more artifacts in there, the Indian Jones,
the Holy Grail line.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
And here's how she got back so quick, because she
said she found a ride.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I don't wondering who the ride was. That's a good question.
It was kind of funny because it panned right to parent,
I believe after that and after she said that, which
was kind of strange. I don't know if parent got
her the ride or if like it kind of was strange.
Obviously parent didn't need the wedding, but it was. I
don't know if it was intentional or not, or if
it was supposed to lose to anything, but perhaps it
does later on. I'll kind of earmark that case it

(09:51):
means something, it never comes to be. That doesn't mean anything.
We're just gonna forget I ever said anything, but my member
of the Week, I remember the week. My favorite character
by far is no surprise to anybody who's watched me cover Indor.
It's mod Mathma. Jennifer O'Reilly was a masterclass for performing
I'm so glad she's getting a chance to shine. I

(10:12):
think she got underrated, honestly so and I get I
mean obviously so when you had like Stellan have his speech,
you have Quinoloy and any circus have his speech during moments,
those are the big acting shining moments. I feel like
Jenny O'Riley kind of got a little underrated during last season,
but she did the buttler to work in this one,

(10:35):
and not even a lot of dialogue either had like
facial acting. The facial just different.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Kind of that one shot in the first episode, which,
by the way, that set holy.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Shit, beautiful beautiful. That's why we don't do a present
on the volume boys.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
And that is like that one long, continuous shot. And
when you see that look of oh shit, I was like,
has Crenic.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Just shown up? Right?

Speaker 3 (11:03):
You think maybe right, but it was, yeah, it was
a boy luthen and I was like, oh, of course
he's here.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I do find it interesting that in the trailer we
saw it did seem like Chronic was at the wedding,
and he is not at the weddings. I don't know
if something got cut or if there's nobody shows up.
Reception well, yeah, but listen, they're not. But we're going
a year forward. Now, that's not a year long reception,
So we're not going to see that unless there's a
little weddings work. I don't think we're getting more than

(11:34):
I hop a year long wedding is gonna happen. I
think it's a three day wedding, they said, So I
don't think we're gonna see that, but maybe there's some
other kind of My.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Wedding prediction went off and flames pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, it looks like it. It went down down. I'm glad, Yeah, absolutely,
But I like to all of her different like her
shifts of tone throughout the entire things. She went from
like being going to be happy and performative to being
nervous and scared and talking to Tay and then talking
to Luthen, then talking to her daughter, and some great
moments like that sequence with her daughter heartbreaking when a

(12:06):
teenager ager, Yes, the teenager hurts you like only a
teenager can do to your parent, but not only that
is how she responded. The quick, the tonal deep, and
then like the snap, the passive snapback of you know,
you're just gonna stand behind me and I'm gonna lead
you forward, tore kind of thing, but it's a heartbreaking
Moment's going through a lot in these three episodes, like
a lot of a lot of different emotions running wild

(12:28):
on her at this point, while trying to do a
wedding for her daughter, deal with Perron, deal with Luthen,
deal with Hey, deal with the rebellion and everything going on.
And she covered it all and she was the most
interesting character for me to watch the entire time. Shout
out to man Mama and Jenny Bible Riley, and I
can't wait to see more. I think more's coming. So
I'm hoping. I'm hoping Emmy for her, I really am.

(12:50):
I mean, obviously she has to deliver the rest of
the season. I only see the three episodes, but may
delivered the same way, she'd definitely get a nomination, for sure,
I think so. I think so what a tail that
is from someone who had ninety nine percent of their
scenes eleted in Revenge of the Sith I.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
You essentially just cost as a look as a look.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
A like, basically to look the past as the younger
man Matha. Our scenes are cut here we are twenty
years later now, and we are taking a legacy character
like this and adding so much depth and backstory to her.
This is why it's been great to have Star Wars continue.
Like in some ways you're getting new characters, yes, but

(13:30):
we're establishing some of these older characters and giving them
a hell of a lot more. And I can't see
even more. But then she's coming up for that, so
good for her and good for Star Wars in general.
All right, Next up, we got I spec which is
our favorite lines of dialogue in the episodes at a
handful long. The start with one of them, and then
you can go back. I have a couple of highlight

(13:53):
My first one is from Stealin' Scars Guards Luthen. He
didn't have a lot to do in the first threeps.
He didn't have like any about to take mine right now,
I might be asked why I decided to go first,
because want to make sure you didn't take mine first.
But we'll see. My favorite line was easily how nice
for you? How nice for you? So it's cold cold

(14:17):
delivers it perfectly.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Assassin like that might not need a home monologue, but
if you give it one, he'll he'll make magic. But
just that cutting almost pity. It was just like you,
sweet child, you'll never have to know like true, true hardship.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
It's this strong mix of pity, condescension. It's just a
mixture of emotions that delivered to someone who is obviously
been caught a little bit, and it's still need of coddling.
Can't do the can't do everything at this point, I
can't quite commit all the way, which has been my

(15:02):
Mama's character from the first season. She's kind of she's
a strong character that she wants to do what's right,
but she's not sure how far right is. And of course,
in this context, we're talking about her killing her childhood friend,
someone that Peren thinks is her lover, and he honestly,
who knows. Maybe he is, We don't really know. It's
kind of like, so this is the kind of situation
where you don't really know what the situation is. There's

(15:25):
something going on there that might be just friendship, it
might be more. It could be As one point, if
they discovered later on that they had an affair at
some point earlier on, would everybody be shocked. I don't
think so.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
We did get one question on today, Yeah, what's that
since he killed them kids. Sinte is the angel of death.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yes, yes, I loved that we didn't see her until
that moment. I think if you saw her earlier on
talking to Belle or talking to Lutheran or whatever it
would have been, it would have weakened the time that
all of a sudden you see take Kualma walking out
after being a jackass and basically needed to be afraid of.

(16:11):
As it were walking out, you just see her turn
in her like you know, her uniform, and you're like,
you dude, Leo, it's like, oh, oh, boy, t you're done,
I say, I think so. I think so for sure,
I don't that's the implication. And what else could.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
It be somehow taste of life, somehow.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Tastes I mean, we don't see a body. I get that,
and that you know, this show doesn't definitely just shy
away from from violence, So I don't like.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I mean, and it says tom On, it's like you
tried to have me off.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
And it's not.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
I honestly think that he does get off like he
does get afraid of.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Okay, okay, I'll make sure that's what I.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Just I did think it was interesting. I think it
was a really good play. How thou was like, I
haven't spoken to her. When she's talking to mom going
up the hill, She's like, I haven't spoken to her
at all. Yeah, And then she shows up to you know,
she can show up to assassinate a political figure, but
she can't even get a text back.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Like yeah, Josue us into is. This is why we know.
I think you and I know you and I both
know where sententially belongs. She's gonna be in the Partisans
before the end of the series. I think I think
she's gonna be dead by the end. I do too,
but she's gonna get to the Partisans first. I think
I love that you said it best. She's the angel
of death, and that's why you can almost rightfully assume

(17:38):
that Tay is no longer with us. Is there a chance? Absolutely,
not one hundred percent. Nothing's ever one hundred percent without
the body, but everything. I feel like that almost would
be cheaper unless there's some bigger storytelling that I can't foresee,
which is possible because these these are some wonderful writers.
So what about your get anything Other lines dialogue?

Speaker 3 (17:57):
You want to highlight Casian's line of You're coming home
to yourself. I alway, that was a really beautiful line,
just him speaking to this woman who is terrified and
is risking everything. And you know, it was probably Lutheran
or Clara that said don't look at him in the art,
you know, the whole like rock Star movie starting, like,

(18:18):
don't look them directly in the eyes, don't speak to them.
But Cassian recognized it on a human level like that,
I was you once. I was scared to give up
everything for the cause, but you're doing the right thing.
And he talked her down, got to do what she
needed to do and carry on with the mission.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Absolutely, and I agree that was actually right every time.
Down was my second on my list as well. It
just was a heartfelt moment. It was needed to be heard.
I think it's talking directly to the audience a little
bit as well. It's that kind of that thing, like
you know, you gotta be uncomfortable sometimes to do the
right thing. And I think we're all coming to the
point where we are more and more being faced with

(19:02):
choices that we could either do the easy thing to
get along, or we can do the right thing and
stand up for things. And this is what Cassian has
come to. He knows, and he feels good about his decision,
and he's going to help others feel good about the
decision as well, you know as they struggle through it,
because we're all struggling through it at this point. So

(19:22):
the one I'm gonna mention as well is angling back
to Luthen. And it was just partially the delivery, but
it just made me smile. Oh, where are they all
going to?

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, using he's fishing for information, everyone using the gossip
to push for info and they're out there.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
He's always on, always working always.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
But he's he is always Yeah, he is always working,
always be working.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
No breaks for for Luthen. I love his delivery. It
just it made me a smile.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Like this guy, I don't know why, but when he
has that persona on, he really reminded me of Missus Doubtfire.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I think it's a little bit of hair.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
It is a little bit, but it's just kind of
like the.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
So different, so different to when where they're all going to.
How nice for you. So it's a great arrange their character.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
I would love to know if like he watched Missus
Doubt Fire or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
That would be a funny and I'll be funny thing
to learn. The inspiration wise, I came from this doubt fire.
I wouldn't doubt it though it doesn't. I mean he's
in Mama Me is one hundred absolute definitely in his
I will say it is kind of like the the
Clark Kent Superman thinking of it all like you just
put on a hair wig and you just change your
personality and all of a sudden you're not the same

(20:49):
person in a way. You know you're not at all
the same person. That's phenomenal. It's a phenomenal way to
do it. So any a line of dialogue that really
got you this this week through or just yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
These saying it was more of the Cassian's line in
Luthman's lines that really.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Stuck out to me a couple of their dialogue moments,
but they weren't actually specific lines per se. I'll throw
them in here so you're gonna talk about other things though,
Like I did love the whole Krenix whole speech was
pretty like just well delivered, not any specific line from it,
but he just kind of like had this whole, uh
kind of performative way he was talking about things. He

(21:24):
was definitely proud of himself and how he would get
on to Dedra later on. And I'm looking at you.
I'm looking at you, and i want your opinion. I
don't want your your bullshit basically that. And I will
also definitely point out Dedra, Dedra's speech to Edie when
Cyril leaves the room, when I.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Got a whole bunch of thoughts on that on that scene.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Well on that then, okay, all right, next up, put
that in your hole, Acron and snook it. Explore more lore.
Let's figure out what we got here to explore, mad
do you want to go first on this one?

Speaker 3 (21:59):
I want to know Uncle Halo's role in the criminal underworld?

Speaker 2 (22:04):
MS guy?

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Is he is he related to any is he part
of any of the syndicates? What's is he just a
two bit thug? What's his deal? Is it?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Actually Uncle Hondo might be Uncle Honda, It might be.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
We we we did, you know, pitch this in season one?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
We did. We absolutely did. We absolutely could come through it.
We did get the confirmation obviously he's a criminal, like
we was definitely alluded to you with the first like
I'm new and implied this pretty much straight out. Dad
just says he's he's seen his his files in the
eye as bea you don't want to be announcing that.
I get that. Yeah, I agree, it'd be fun to
see whether he's what is he part of Crimson Done?

(22:46):
Is he is he.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Part of the underwater or is he like Dabos Golding
and that he's just a shady, shady dude dude.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, absolutely, it could have been interesting if he was
Dabos Golden, if Uncle Whore Harlowe was Do they way
to connected all together? Potentially that's a little smart so
but no, I agree. I agree.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Wow, and the guy that you know dead has been
chasing is part of.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Boyfriend's family. It would make an interesting if we got
a five season run. I think that might be something
one can they could definitely explore. I don't enough. I
don't think.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
I don't think I could take a five season Like
at the start of talking about this show, like a
five season run sounded great. I don't think I'll be
able to take a five season run. I barely think
I'll be able to take two.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
All right, Uh, let's see. Oh my first choice for
this particular category is who the hell led that pathetic
rebellion that the caption got rolled up in may appel.
Oh my god, this crew? Who is this? Who leaves
this girl? Idiots? Idiots?

Speaker 3 (24:00):
When they when they were like when they were like
five hands, I was like, Oh, they're gonna be playing
like sack or poke or something, and they said choose
your second. I was like, Oh, are they talking about
throwing hands? Are they gonna like because they throw the
blosses down. I was like, Oh, they're gonna fight to
the death.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
No, they play.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
I'm not gonna go because it's a comed it's a
comedy moment that I want to bring up because it
did make me laugh. But yeah, these I thought they
were like partisans. Yeah, I was like, they look raggedy
enough to be partisans.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
But even I saw it was not this stupid I
will say so. I was like, was not stupid, that's
the thing. So I was pretty stupid. No, he's not.
He's like he's stupid in like these guys. He's reckless, Okay, reckless,
but not stupid. These guys are stupid.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Are they not the same thing?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
No? No, okay, recklessness and impetuousness and like impulsiveness, that's
that could be solid. But like somebody this like just
pure dumb, pure dumb. Is these guys, these guys, in fact,
so much so I will say that that whole scene
actually knocked down the episode for me. And that first episode,
while they're slow, there was just too much of them

(25:14):
like it just like it was kind of humorous, and
I like the tone at first, like in terms of
like I like adding some levity to levity to it.
I do think, like I said my talk to some friends,
I think I texted to do this too. I think
I feel like the first three episode really kind of
kept the vibe and the tone demand or but dialed
up the Star Wars a little bit, and that's part
of it. They had a little bit of that humor
in there. But I kind of felt like, oh my god,

(25:36):
we're here for two episodes. Oh my god, we need
to get to past us. And I understand what they're
going for. You're definitely going for the rebellion point. I know,
I know, and I got the point, but I just
didn't like I was like, I got it, let's move
on kind of thing. It's like I felt like, exactly,
this is the thing.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
When I say it's it's an uncomfortable watch, it's not
an enjoyable watch. You're sitting there like, Cassion, what the
fuck are you doing here? Get home? Like you need
to get back, but he can't. And it's just like
you're stuck here with these bumbling fucking idiots when like
you need to be home right now, Like that's the
point that you're sitting there like fuck, they're hopeless, there's

(26:17):
nothing we can do right now. I think that's that's.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
What they were going for.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
And when I say it's like an uncomfortable watch, like
we're not supposed to be like, oh, hopeful.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
He's gonna get out of this, He's gonna get.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
To the tipe, He's gonna say they it's just like, no,
he's bound up by a bunch of bumbling idiots.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
We are cooked, we are screwed. There is heat, and
there is go away heat. And you talk about wrestling
a long time and these guys they heat. These guys
reminded me, Yeah, that's not a good thing. These guys
amind me up. Hey man, No, that's what these guys
reminded me of that guy. Like I kind of like okay,
because they actually took me out a little because they
felt like I didn't feel like they were in in

(26:55):
the Star Wars, they weren't in the same universe they
were in this, like they weren't acting in a in
a in a show. I felt that way. It's probably
those were the worst performances by far in the episode.
I thought some of them there weren't. There were some
good moments in there, But like the two League guys,
that's kind of like, what are we watching here? What
are you doing here? Is this gonna get away? And
I get your point. I get that, and I know
it's definitely supposed to ramp up contention. I guess it

(27:16):
does because you want to see him get out of there,
but it's not. It wasn't about me wanting to see
him go home, more about me, just like I just
don't want to deal with these guys anymore. I'll just
get off this planet and move on the storyline.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
And you can see he's trying, he's trying to talk
his way out of it, He's trying to blast his way.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
He's smart. Cassian's smart. He's telling him, you're gonna cluck
the water, you can Smaerson. He's actually lost person in
the room.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
But when every other person in the room is an idiot,
I know it's hopeless.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
I just I did take me out a little bit.
And it's not like it killed the episodes for me,
but it was kind of like I felt myself going,
all right, let's move on, let's move on from that.
I don't but the other parts definitely made it for it.
I just I felt less interesting in Cassian's story at
that point, like I want to use your focal character
as your mean and Or is more of a despite

(28:05):
being called and Or. It is an ensemble piece for sure,
because I mean, definitely the mond Motho stuff right up
to the Dedrins yourself is right up there, Bix and
Brasso are all like a big part of the tale.
But and our story itself is kind of like, okay,
just I did about half of that. If that was
like one episode, Okay, we went on to like the

(28:25):
second episode. I'm kind of like, all right here we are.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Okay, sure, sure, but we do have nine left.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
I know, I get it, I get it, but honestly
about making more of it than it has to be. Uh,
definitely am definitely nitpicking it a little bit because I
love the episode so much, Like I have some things
to nitpick on, but yeah, so yeah, not a big
fund of that. But that's all right. If I wonder
who led this about my who is my bell? Because
we actually remember so he pointed out that Saw mention

(28:55):
these guys by name during the first season as one
of the groups he didn't want to work with. Now
we know why, we know why exactly? Anything else you
want to explore more? Laura of at this point? Three?

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Or no, what why did Krenick pick Deader specifically since
she fucked up so bad? Mm? Because they were all
they were all hand picked? He said that they were

(29:28):
hand picked. And also if he spoke to Palpatine directly
the day before, if he met with Palpatine the day before,
what's stopping Palpatine from showing up himself? I would say,
I would stabbing him, as if you don't want to
deal with all of the.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Anymore.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
And I said, if there's any if even if there's
any security leak.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
That's that's gon to be until that he needs to
show up, and this is all your awkward stuff to him.
You can take care of us. You fuck up. Okay,
now I'm stepping in. Now I'm gonna takeover, and now
you're done. Sound like someone else No, that's a good
point that I do. I'd like to see what Kronick thought,
how she he came to that decision, because it was

(30:17):
definitely a scrup and I'm glad they went there. I'll
expound on that a little bit because we're really glad
to see part of Gas. I'm not sure how much
try to get a part of Gas throughout the series,
but I love him as a a kind of a snarky.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
Not snarky, smarmy, like he's a ship he's coming right,
but he's actually like he's not quite the punishable faced guy.
He's just the intelligent you know, he's the intelligent.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Okay, I think he's actually a great character. I mean,
I think he's doing horrible things, but he's a really
good at his job. But he doesn't do it. But
he also doesn't do it for he's not a shiit
wheel because you don't see him like enjoying it or
doing it for personal game in terms of he's not
getting anything out, like he's just he has pride in

(31:04):
his job. His job is to do bad things, so
I gotta feel like he's very intelligent at it. Like
for example, I gotta mention like the first season. It's
the idea of like everybody there is Empire is misogynistic,
and they're not gonna let Degi rise. He doesn't care
about that. Well, he wants Deadite rise because he knows
he sees the talent there and he's the kind of
guy he's like, I don't care what they think it is.

(31:25):
I know you are worth something. I'm gonna try to
fair in those flames.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
But who does that credit go to? Deader's under him?
She if she makes it look good, he's the one
that's gonna get the credit for it.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Well, because he's smart, he's not. It's not shit. I mean,
it's not much as not as much of a ship
weasel as the ship weasel. To me, somebody who more
is someone who's not strong, who's pathetic and like is
getting away with a bunch of stuff like and is
getting personal gain out of it. Like if he was,
like if you saw him taking the credit and doing

(31:59):
stuff to take the credit with somebody like, I kind
of feel that's more shit weasel. I mean, you could
be right, we could have we could have him develop
into this ship weasel more, but right now it seems
more like he's like she is someone who's gonna get
the job done, and I want to get the job done.
Not for glory, but I want to get the job
done that you know, you know, that's that's the difference.
I think in a way, you see the difference are
a little bit Yeah, okay, that's what I feel in him.

(32:20):
But anyway, long story short on that one, I love
the fact that he basically comes out and says, yeah,
you fed up, you didn't get you screwed up with access,
and this is what you have to do. Now. You
have to take the Gorman stuff because that's what you
need to do to re establish establish yourself. And I
love that line. It's almost made that on my favorite lines.
Next time, catch them first, then make them famous. Love

(32:42):
that that's a great line. And I like the fact
that we could have easily had Dedro just continuing to
look for access, like it could have been like the
a team, Like she spends the whole series just chasing
to heut access even though she's screwing up. It's like
the that's always like in the worst part of like,
you know, Clone Wars and Rebels at some point was
when like you know, every y every week was the grievous,

(33:04):
coming grievous, screwing up, getting beaten down, but yet still
grievous is moving on next week. It's like the same thing.
It kind of gets a little bit a little bit
old that way, and to a degree, I mean, we
had a lot of fun with it, so it's not
like that big of a deal, but this was an
interesting take for her to do. To all of sudden,
we're taking her away from this story and putting her
into something else now, and it makes sense in where
she was and what the show does.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
So I really it's also like everyone's favorite Italian plumber,
right like Luiji Managi, only like might not actually be guilty,
but they've made him famous. They've caught him, and now
they've made him famous. He may be completely innocent for you, Luigi,
but you know it just speaks to like Axis is

(33:46):
right under that noise and then they can't even see it.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Like that. So one last thing I want to mention
about exploring more lore, and I it's less about exploring
more lore and more about I love what this season
with doing this three episode year, three episode a year,
three episode a year. This opens up a absolute treasure

(34:13):
trove that expanded the universe storytelling. We have so many
opportunities now, I didn't eve think about this until now
of books, comic book runs, whatever.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Getting it to tube, spin off series let it Die?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Why not? Why not? It's gonna happen to be a
limited series but serious, like we could have an.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
And we're getting a Punish It special, right, We're finally
getting the Disney Channel movie. Yeah on Disney class. Maybe
we get Youtubestube movie. Yeah, youb special right.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Youtubes? Right, But what happened in between, like we got
we can have big actual storylines about what happened between
the end of a Rix road and how we got
here high end or get to that. We can get
in between what happened after the wedding into where we
get to next. There's a lot of open space to
play with, and I kind of like that idea to
be able to expand that way because we're getting big

(35:14):
hints of stuff going on, big moments. But like, for example,
in the first three episodes, the underlying arc was or
the window dressing I should say was was Cassie and
stealing this tie Avenger M well' see like that became
like such window dressing. But let's how do we get
to that? Did we get to the like do we
find out at the TI a vender somewhere we know

(35:36):
how that mission come into plays, Like, there's a lot
of stuff you could do planning things out and far
getting there that just it opened up. I would love
to see that be like a big an issue they
decided to do. Let's follow up this with like a
and or toned graphic novel Marvel like Marveled, like not adults,
I don't know, say adult con but like that kind
of like Marvel Knights, like Level Star Wars is run with.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
The end orders, got the books right, We've just had
Mask of Fear as the first one, right, three, so
maybe it gets covered in the other two.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
It could be, and that could be part of it. Absolutely,
I hope that. I hope some of it does. The
Cassian won't most likely, but at least we'll get them
on mope side of things, of the sauce side of
things for sure. But yeah, let's see what else you
got going on? And I guess that's it from or
Lore anything else you wanted to break down. Okay, all right,
let's see seeing a lot of action. Got a couple

(36:31):
of bits of action here. There's a lot of talking
as an ord there always is, just some people chagrine
too much talking, according to some people, but there are
definitely some fun, fun action bits. In fact, we opened
up with the fun action Ben.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Do you think Tony Gilroy watched the Independence Day before
he wrote this scene because all we missed was the
only thing that was missing was Cassie and saying I
have got to get me one of these.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
You're not wrong, you were not wrong. It did go
into my mind as well.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
The going backwards, it's like a mix of the the
scenes in Independence Day where they they leave the base
because they put it in reverse and then they go backwards,
and then the scene in Independence Day when they're in
the mothership and they get stuck and they have to
like fly them way out of there, even to the
point where you have the this closing the little closing

(37:24):
gap afterwards and he has to fly through it. But
like they're shooting everything it that was Independence. They don't
try to tell me much like Top Gun Maverick was
the Trench run.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Absolutely, I'm here for it that.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
That scene was Independent. It was the end of Independence Day.
Is it a good thing incredible thing. We were just
we were just missing the speech. If we'd have had
like stelling Scars Guard giving like a full on presidential yeah,
giving a presidential speech before it about how this is
our independence day, right?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
God, I actually giving that speech? So good? Oh God,
that good.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
There's gonna be some AI tool out there that could
they could just like generate that.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I just need to hear that.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
I don't condone the use of AI, but for that
once a while, he mightn't least I don't cando to either,
but they do have once while.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I'd be interesting to hear it's sometimes uh so I would.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Actually quietly into the sunless sky.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
I actually think that that was one of the reasons
why it felt a little Star Wars into me. It
feels like they kind of like took some of those
criticisms potentially and said, you know what, we're going to
open up with a very very you know, it isn't
dependence to day, a very Star Wars and thing action
tie fighter, stormtroopers, blasters, humor, human aspect of like trying

(38:54):
to hell. I can almost see Harrison Ford slapping the
tie di Avenger in the Stork a kind of says
ship he says, ship, which is great. I love that.
It just felt kind of like, this is Star Wars
an action and the humor, adventure, swagger action that we
don't get. We didn't get a lot of during the
first season. So you open up right away with that

(39:14):
to go here you wanted this, here's what you got.
We're still gonna go do our stuff, and we're going
to get to that stuff, but we'll give you something
right off the top. Right off the top of the
bat the.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Beast in the jungle was another thing. We got that
thing for like ten seconds. Yeah, that was I feel
like that was just tiny about being like, here you go,
you got an alien. I'll shut the fuck up and watch.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
You got your monsters. Here you go.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yeah, there's your monster of the week. I'll shut the
fuck up.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
So we did get a few extra aliens this time
through the episodes. Still still lacking compared to the other
Star Wars property is this for sure, Especially the the
dumb Rebels. I feel like they needed some kind of human,
like some kind of rebelly needed like a Wookie, yeah
or something.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
I don't know, give us something, but a couple of jawas.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
You and your jawas man, you're upsetted.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
And then the Javas would fit right home with those knuckleheads.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
That's true, those knuckleheads. Yes one shuffleheads.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
The action, but I like to throw out there. Also
love the the ending fight, the on in a row
with the ends with the Grain when he shoots the
grain and the grains falls, the trippers and everything else.
Ye loved all those like almost like video game like
action sequences where you got to see the targets going,
you have the laser blasting. I love how they showed
he had the oh at at run. We kind of
saw on the trailer, but he was like started flying

(40:28):
down on that transport and shooting it with the missile.
I felt like it was like you're following the ship
down with it going through wonderfully shot. There's a lot of.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Said, that's the most funny he's ever had filming anything.
Being in the on the gimbal with it. He said,
it was like playing playing Star Wars like a kid again.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
But you have the best toy ever made. I can
imagine that. I'd love to get a chance to do.
That's a ride right there, that's a ride you gotta
you gotta sell them there at least open up somewhere
greatst action, great fun there. I don't know what about
you anything else action pieces that you wanted to bring
up anythink.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Already there wasn't much in terms of action other than
the two Yeah, the two big pieces, And that's fine
because it when the action hits, it hits.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
I mean, we obviously have the moment, which we'll talk
about later.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yep, we'll get into that for sure. I think you
don't know what we're talking about, but let's hold on that.
It will be a bigger discussion. Let's go on to
all right, let's go to the next two segment then,
which is laugh it Up Fuzzball. Are comic moments of
the of the episodes, and I'm glad to say that
there were we were dinner and or watch through leading
up to this sometimes a little bit hard to find

(41:45):
those humorous moments that now was one of the criticisms
of the series that was so serious, and there was
any moments of levity. There was definitely some moments of levity.
Is it is it leftl or is it just like.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
I mean, refreshment with my one Cyril is just so
pathetic that he's just laying on the bed because because
his mom was a bit harsh to him.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Sleep, bro, you are so pathetic. That is my new
favorite meme. That's where he gone out there.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Oh that is going to get meme too. Shit, so
many people are gonna be using that meme. I've already
got it saved on my phone.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Oh yeah, absolutely. And he also just loved the fact
that he's just like laying there so that he's got
like he's basically in a relationship with his basically with
his mom, a different version of his mom. He's got
mom one side, Deadio on the other, and they're basically
fighting over who's going to be in control of him.
And he's like his facial expressions, every every expression, every reaction,

(42:53):
every line of dialogue, every bit. And yet the same time,
what's funny about it is how he acts at his job,
which is the opposite, which tries to act like the
alpha male. I found this for four secs. I found
criminals over four sectors, and there's a future for those
who dare like what have you ever dared to do?

(43:16):
Oh so earlier you are something.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
I did find it really interesting in that scene how
Edie was the only bit of color. Everything in that
apartment was black and white. Everything they were wearing was
black and white. Even the food looks like dark gray flop.
And then you have Edie who's like dressed all in
color right right, like she's supposed to represent like some

(43:44):
kind of whimsy, and you know, innocence, but you're no,
you are so insufferable.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
And I mean she's great. I love at the same time,
Oh yeah, she's a she's an awful person. You don't want
her your mom, really, But at the same time, I
don't know, but she's excited, so fun to watch stuff
or and de together in De dra another. But almost
all my humor moments, outside of the Cats in the
End or Independence Day of Things, almost all of them
are cerrial and dera uh sequences. And I don't know

(44:21):
what happens in that household Cyril. I'm gonna say it,
Cyril's definitely a bottom.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Oh he's a cock's.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Dedra practicing to smile because she never does it.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
I felt so uneasy.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
It's like I put dead laughed so worried. I was like,
this is someone this, this poor person this I don't
think poor person, Like, it's just this is so put
that but so like, I can't look away on a
car crash, like, oh my god, these people.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
And they put it off twice already, so dead was like,
we can't put it off again, right, we have to.
It's just like, oh, they seem to seem like the
worst family.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, that's so awful soul but so.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
So the same.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
So good. All right, let's move on to let's talk. Okay,
I like to talk about the rest of the episode.
Then we'll get into our forest visions. Let's tackle the
big thing out of the gates that has a lot
of Star Wars fans talking, and that is the attempted
or the attempted rape sexual assault of bis on min

(45:37):
A Row by the Imperial uh basically the Imperial Ice agents.
But let's be honest as it.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Is Imperial Ice agent, Imperial, Nazi, imperial. So why don't
we go far back as you can in history.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Why don't you give me your I know you have
very strong opinions on it. I do too, but I
kind of interested. Have you got.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Disney fucked up?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Quik time?

Speaker 3 (46:02):
There should there should have been a trigger warning at
the start of that episode. And I've seen a lot
of people someone even when I posted what I said
that there should have been a trigger warning. Someone had
the goal, had the absolute nerve to say to me,
it's not Disney or Lucasfilm's responsibilities to gauge your sensitivities. Yeah,

(46:24):
it fucking is.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
When it's a.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
A topic, a something as serious as that, you never
know who might be watching, You never know who who
could be you know, I don't know. Triggered is obviously
the right word to it. But like the one positive
that I can, I'll start with a positive about this scene.

(46:51):
I like that Bigs didn't become a victim. I like
that she didn't become the damsel in distress that one
of the men needed to save.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Right, I thought wasn't happen At one point.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
I thought that like Cassian was going to come down
and say the day, I'm glad that didn't happen. Do
I think that we could have done without it? No,
because unfortunately this isn't a kid's show. These are very

(47:26):
harsh realities of war that have gone back centuries. I'm
trying to figure out how I can put this. I mean,
fuck it, I'm just gonna go into it to try
and to be so moronic as to say, Vader and

(47:46):
the Empire would never let this slide. Fuck you, you
victim blaming piece of shit like Vader, the guy who
let's not forget killed children? You really and you really
think that ol Vader wouldn't let this slide?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Do you think Hitler?

Speaker 3 (48:11):
What do you think the Nazis didn't, you know, assault
the women that they captured in the concentration camps because
they were scared that Hitler was going to.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Do something about it if they found out. No, Hitler
wouldn't have given a ship.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
These are evil, fucking people and it's just it goes
back said like the Vikings were the exact same, go
back to like the era of Alexander the great Genghist camp.
This has been happening for so long of you to
try and just it it fucking pisses me off because

(48:47):
it always comes from the same fucking steroid up, bold
piece of shit, Like do you think that it's not
going on in these ice camps right now? With a
president who has been found guilty of sexual assault, you
think he's going to give a shit that that stuff's
been going on And you try to justify it by

(49:10):
putting some cannon bullshit on top of it, because you
fucking love the character of Darth Vader so much. This
is a man who choked his own wife because she
disagreed with him, because he thought that she had been
turned against him, so he choked her essentially to near death.
You think he's gonna care about that, and you're going

(49:31):
to try and I don't want to say justify it,
but like completely in the gate the experience of the
women and the men, because this happens to men too,
And I'm not trying to be like, oh, it just
happens to you know, I'm not trying to downgrade or
anyone's experience with this, but to just be so moronic,

(50:00):
it's a fucking childish like, learn your fucking history, man.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
I will touch base on the first party said the
uh the I'm not gonna say the guy's name either,
but I just I I laughed during that, Samemon. Okay, sure,
I'm just not not funny, I guess, But the same time,
I just laughed everything he says, uh, because I just
think I find it like outlandishly, like this is what
you're like, first of all, this is who you want

(50:30):
to fucking die on. He's a fictional character that you
don't know. You're not friends with the guy. You don't know,
like you didn't really write the guy, no matter how
many fan films you put out about him. Like again,
he's someone who's slaughtered children, he is someone who assaulted
his wife. I don't like think he First of all,
let's say, let's just I'm gonna give it a ball.
I'm just gonna put it on the shelf. Here. Let's

(50:53):
say he wouldn't allow it. Let's say he was the
he if he had seen it, he's sliced to IMPERI
allowed because he just that's the hill he wants to die. Okay, sure,
I'll even put that aside. That's not Vader doing it.
That's Joe Blow, imperial schmuck. That's the guy who's doing it.
So like there, your argument is already gone. This wouldn't happen,

(51:14):
Zampire wouldn't sand for it. Well, you know what, A
lot of stuff happened on the lower levels of things
that you don't see, and if you don't want to
see it, that's on you. That's on you. So that's
your argument gone, right there. I don't we can have another.
I can have another argument, like over whether Vader would
agree or whatever. But I think that's even like laughable,
even like that's not even the situation here. So I'm
not gonna talk about that. But let me go into

(51:35):
the other things you said.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
If this scene didn't make you feel sick to your
fucking stomach, there's something seriously fucking wrong with you.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Trigger warning, mm we. I grew up in an era
where I never we never had trigger warnings like that
was the thing. And I'm not saying, and I'm I'm
saying as someone who like did that, I don't need
the trigger warning as much and not. But that's on me.
I know we have developed and we have evolved the
point where people like who are involving involves in the

(52:08):
media and getting all into it and everything else, they
prefer to have trigger warnings on these situations. And that's
perfectly fine by me. That's what they need, and that's
what they need. So I'm not someone who's against trigger warnings.
So I never think about trigger warnings until after the
fact I see a trigger warning, I think about it.
I don't see a triggar re warding, so they prays
up later like, oh yeah, I guess I could have
had one so this one absolutely could have won, especially

(52:28):
when you thring up the point that Obi won out
of trigger warning for killing children or they slaughter or
they showed to order sixty six flashbacks, and it was
right right after school shooting, so it was very kind
of like timely. So yeah, Disney should have had I
think hindsight, I think this NY could have done with
a trigger.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Warning, and I think they they'll probably go back and
put one on.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
It would have the case. I mean it's case now
that it's out there, because trigger warning is the only
thing that's the only negative. And this is like I
don't say this. The only like argument the other way,
and it's a bad argument is that you don't want
to give away something like all of a sudden, you
throw there's attempted to rape in this episode, and like.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
It's like, oh well, okay, now I'm looking to put
that though you can just put like this, you know,
scenes from this episode contained, you know, set that essay contained.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
That's actually I mean, now you're looking for it, though
now you're not. You don't see it. You're looking for
it in a grad gratuitous way. You're looking for like,
oh well, that's gonna happen later on in the episode.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
And wait, but if someone is, you know, triggered by
that things as soon as it comes starts to come up,
they can skip it if they don't want to watch it.
I mean, I'm just gonna come out and say it.
Like twenty fifteen, I had I was out with friends
and I had a drink spiked with m them and
I ended up in a room with someone that I
didn't know that. But I didn't necessarily need that shrigle warning, right,

(53:51):
someone might, which is why I'm saying it's not no, no,
I no, I'm in.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
No way saying that you're you're arguing against it, right,
But I'm just just saying that was that is the
argument that I can kind of see being tossed out there. Yeah,
I think it's more important that people's well being is
taken care of.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah, of course, And like someone like me, I don't
particularly need it because I I I dealt with that
my way, like it's A's something that I've moved on
from in my life.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
But some people may have a more horrific.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Experience than I had, and they may need that. So
I think I think that was a big fuck up
on Disney's pot.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
I will also say I I find what's interesting about
this to me and the fascination you've had at the
discourse is I've heard for a lot of different people,
and there are some people out there there's well there's
the outliers like the guy we're not going to talk about,
but there's other discourse where it's like people are saying,
either grow up and why this needs to be said,
This needs to be talked about, this needs be dealt with,

(55:01):
This is the reality of the situation. Blah blah blah blah.
There's that side of things, those side of things that
are basically hashtag non my Star Wars. And I don't
mean that in a flipping away, but the truth is, honestly,
I see their point of view as well. Because this
and and Or has been a very groundbreaking series of
Star Wars for a reason, it is unlike anything in
Star Wars we've ever seen. People are gonna push back.

(55:23):
I've seen people push back against that and be like, well,
they've had it before. In Star Wars they had to
lay in Return of the Jedi, they have Ah Soska,
Hell and Soaka and Clone Wars were sold off as
a sex lave kind thing. I am not disputing that
at all. I will say that this is the one
that has taken it the most seriously, totally speaking, that

(55:44):
you can't gloss over that. You can almost gloss over
the lay us up because of the swaggering, adventurous. It's
kind of quick and you should know it. You should
know it, but doesn't kind of hits through your face.
But the way they do it and or is very
much in your vision, you can't gloss over it. They
will not allow you to gloss over it. Is that important? Sure,

(56:05):
I think it is. When I talk about this kind
of thing, I understand why plump people don't want it
in their Star Wars, though I do understand that some
people like Star Wars and Escape they want the more
mythological hid for it. The argument has always been Star
Wars is for kids, right, so Star Wars for kids.
This isn't really for kids, per se. And that's the

(56:26):
thing too, is like, is that a bad thing? I
don't think it is. I think there's a room for
a Star Wars adult show. I think there's a room
for it. In fact, I love the fact that we
got freaking Skeleton Crew followed up by this. I think
this is the show, is the different, the definitely thing
you can do. I do understand why some people don't
want this adult type of Star Wars in their Star Wars.

(56:46):
I get it. I understand that, and I say, but
I don't mean to be flipping about it. This isn't
the show for you. Maybe you shouldn't watch it if
that's the fine with that, and your kids probably shouldn't
watch it at a young age.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
This is not I don't know, like I'm not watching
this with with kids.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
But my point to that is if you are not
willing to engage with topics like this within Star Wars,
don't ever ask for our Star Wars ever.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Again, absolutely, that's the hypocrisy I've seen about. That is
where I start going, Well, you got what you're asked for.
This is a serious, adult, dark themed show and it's
and it shows you all the darkness that Star Wars
has to offer potentially. Yeah, and I think it's a
good not good. I think it's a worthy show. It's

(57:35):
a really discussion to have. It's a worry to have
it in there. I just you can understand why some
people are like, no, I can't watch. It's not my
Star Wars. Okay, Okay, I get that.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
There's many people that I would trust to handle a
topic like this within Star Wars other than Tony Gilro
and Adrian even did when she did her interview talking
about this this scene, she said she felt it, she
felt like she owed it to women to portray this

(58:08):
scene the way she did. And when she said that,
I was like, there's nothing more I can say.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I get that, I get that. I don't think we're
having and they have an answer for this. Oh, I
think some people are going to be stuck in their
ways either way. I think that I'm hoping it doesn't
overshadow the rest of the show. I'm hoping that that's
the case. I don't think. I don't think it will either.
I think you're just bought here. I will say. Also,
the thing that surprised me the most, I was honestly

(58:34):
just surprised that Aloney and Disney allowed to happen. Yeah, that,
like they said the word, not only do they show
the action, they actually said the word. And saying the
word is as asidi as that is, as it might
be like showing you everything leading up to that is
one thing when they actually called it what it was,

(58:56):
that kind of amped it up to the point where
it's like, oh, I almostun see them get it. It was
just like violence against the woman a little bit. That's
been in some stuff before, but like they actually use
the word in Star Wars and that was like kind
of like wow. But the whole thing about I'm kind
of like, okay, So don'y Gilroy said, he said he
got no pushback from Disney or from Felony or anything else,
and that does surprise me a little bit, and I

(59:17):
think it's actually but the thing that surprised me most
or makes me happiest about that, is the fact that
you can no longer tell me that Disney is not
gonna let filmmakers do what they want to do, what
they need to do. They're not gonna push back to
be the Disney brand all the time. And Feloni's baloney
despite thing, probably honestly, end of the day, probably doesn't

(59:38):
like a lot of the androids we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Talk about later on. I think there's more to him
than we're leting on.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
I think so too, But my mind sets Felonia would
look at Andor and say this is not really Star Wars,
but I will. But like he's allowing Tony Gilroy to
tell his Star Wars words, there's definitely pieces of Star
Wars in there, of Lucas's Star Wars, and it's actually
or physical. It adds a in some ways. It is
the closest thing to Star Wars you've ever gotten, actually,
as far as George Lucas's intention to showcase fascism and

(01:00:07):
the rise and everything else. But you're never gonna see
Dave Filonia do anything close to something like this as
Star War because he's he is definitely much more of
the kid friendly type of Star Wars storyteller. And that's
okay too. That's what it started at and that's what
it can be, and that's what it is for you.
More power to you. I love that. I actually still overall, well,
I think in Or might be the best made TV

(01:00:30):
show and best made Star Wars content we've gotten since
the original trilogy. Honestly, I may think of that, but
I still prefer other Star Wars stories to it. Overall.
I prefer because I prefer the more fun, adventurous lightsaber
pup stuff. But I have I love the fact that
we can get both. That's my favorite part of the
end of the day. I suffer. We can get both.

(01:00:52):
I think I said everything I want to say about that.
I think I just find it. I do find it amusing.
I'm not amusing, but that there's just so many there's
so strong a viewpoints either side. I'm kind of like
a guy's really in the middle of saying, yeah, you
got a point, but bring it back a little bit.
You got a point, bring it back just a little bit.
But also if you don't want to bring it back,
make your decision, and Okay, that's how you feel. You

(01:01:13):
can either enjoy it and embrace it, step away from
it and it's not for you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
My my overall opinion is speak to these speak to
these topics because they need to be spoken for. Just
be mindful of the people who are watching, because you
never know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I agree, I agree, And you know it does bring
up another point.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
If we so like a suicide happen in Star Wars,
you know that would be very triggering to me. I
would find that really really hard to watch. Absolutely, So
my my thing is these, these these topics need to
be talked about Greece. Be mindful of who's watching.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
What this all led he leaves too, is actual a
secondary conversation that I never running along today guys. By
the way, I'm sorry about that is it's a it's
a big time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
About this stuffy and sorry if you guys are here
for a quick analysis of and it was episode one
to three. Alex Dame has done at like I have
thirteen minute long episode on Style was explaining O watch
that I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Wanted to bring up something else that this discourse has
reminded me of. And I want to also shout out
as I always do, as I often do the great
ten Knapstock for Force Center. I haven't seen his episode
come yet. I had not. I think it's coming out today.
He might be coming out right now. We might be
actually missing that. I don't know that. I have not either,
But I didn't see Ken talk about something on social media.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Oh yeah, the was it that Variety article?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Uh? Wired? I believe wow, and it let it leads
to a greater conversation something that he has said to
me privately, and I believe he said on the show
a lot of times as well, and other people have
said it too. I really really have honed in. It
does make me angry I hate the fact that people
are using and or as a weapon as a weapon.

(01:03:08):
They're basically saying, look, this is what Star Wars can be,
not all this other quote unquote shit basically like that
and or should be and or this is what Star
Wars would be. It's a serious Star Wars premier storytelling.
Your action figure pew pew stuff isn't worth it. It's not

(01:03:28):
Star Wars bullshit. Get the f out of here with
that shit. I gotta say, because look, I'm someone who
loves and loves and or looks forward to it, and
I think this is some of the best Star Wars
you've gotten. I also love Obi Wan, I also love Ahsoka,
I love Clone Wars, I love Skeleton Crew, I love
all those things. I even enjoyed the act, like come
at me if you will, my least favorite other thing,

(01:03:51):
if I still enjoyed it. I think there is stuff
that you could have in every avenue of Star Wars
you've gotten. That is true true Star Wars fans. If
you like something from Star Wars, guess what, you're a
Star Wars fan. If something tickles your fancy, you're a
Star Wars fan. If you want to see more pupulid
saber forced, then a lighter tone. You're a Star Wars fan,

(01:04:12):
and it's good Star Wars. Don't come at me and
start using Android weapon, the criticals analysis or whatever. This
makes it better than that, it's not, it's different. I
love the fact that we can get both. Give me
more and or give me more premier storytelling. Give me
more Skeleton Crew and fun Amdling Live Adventure, give me
MOREHSCA interconnected storytelling, and give me the big Blue guy

(01:04:33):
coming in space. Give me all of it. Give me
all of it because there's there's stuff that we had
in a doubt. And if you're an and or only person,
I feel sorry for you. I can't blame you if that's
the only one you like, Hey, that's also your own opinion.
But I think you're missing out. And don't dare tell
me that the stuff I like is shit. Compare me
because and Ord is so good. Don't use one show

(01:04:55):
to put down another. There's no need for that. There's
no need for that. Put up what you love and
tell me why you love it, and shout to the world.
Don't don't tell me why it's better than the other stuff.
Don't hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
I'm also tired of these so called journalists woefully missing
the point everything that they're consuming. And we know why
they do it, because it generates the clerics that generates
Every piece of start, every piece of art is political.

(01:05:30):
Everything in life is political. Your landlord is political, your
your neighbor, your neighbor's beliefs are political, the people you
live next to their beliefs. Everything is political. But yet
they want to pick this is the political Star Wars show.
It's been political since the New Hope guys. M hmm,

(01:05:51):
it's been political since the very beginning. It's Star Wars.
War is political. Taxation of trade roots in a phantom menace.
Look what we're going through now with the tariffs. George
is sitting back like I fucking told you so. And
these are people that laughed at him, like trade routes, taxation,

(01:06:16):
what the fuck are you talking about, crazy old man.
Now everyone's like, oh, this is this is this is
political style. I was just like, it's been political since
the beginning, you fucking morons.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Great, I can I can I laugh because some people
are just they don't have immediate literacy. This is what
journalism is now, I'm telling you watch a show that
I know you didn't watch. I know you didn't watch it.
Watch the bad batch. Tell me it's not political, tell
me it's not dark storytelling. It's animated, so it's for

(01:06:54):
kids only, right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
They won't they won't watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
No, I don't, absolutely because you know, because it doesn't
it doesn't generate the clicks. Absolutely, So all right, let's
finish out our android discussion of two things left to
be Parsex out of eleven, and we will do each episode.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
I think we're gonna talk about the the Ox as well,
because I've I've kind of split the story up into
three os with with some more.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Stuff that go ahead. Absolutely the.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
How does mon Mouth? How does mo Mathma have money?
Issues with a house like that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
That's a good point inherited land, but not money maybe
I don't know that's a good point. Moving the money,
I think isn't more. I'm moving the money because she
has the money to move. It's the idea is that
she can't move the money around because they're watching the money,
like I think that's part of it. They can't she
can't use it and take her money for rebellion without
laundering in some way pay per form.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
I'm going to bring up one thing that I know
is going to make you very happy. Oh that actually
really pissed me off. Oh if it is something I'm niking,
it might be, you know, damn well what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
I don't know. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
You ever hate when someone that you cannot stand makes
a really good fucking point.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Fucking parent in this episode had me like this, motherfucker's
got a point.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
I hate it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
But but he's warfully missing the point. Okay, because his
whole thing is enjoy life, how fun? Party all the time? Peodi,
this is me. You know how much I love to party?

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I do, Maddi, Maddie.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Maddie loves to party all the time. Party all the time,
party all the time. It's the fact that he sees
people like sly More and thinks, oh, these people are fun.
I can party with these people. Everything's fun with these people.
Why have all of the rest of you gotta be sad? Mopesh?
But when he said you gotta find the joy and

(01:09:06):
midst all these clouds and all the gray, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Like, God fucking damn it, Hern.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
He's got a good fucking point, Tony, I fucking hate
you for that I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Going to put a pin in that, and I'm going
to come back to that in a little bit, just
so you know, go ahead. Yeah, I agree, though, fuck
you tiny? What else I got here? Put the Chandrel stuff.
I'll just talk based on the Schandrell stuff in my angle.
I love the shots I mentioned before, the sets and
the shots of following my moth beautiful amos remixed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
They obviously Star Wars has their own version of pipull
basically because the only lyric is they n Carl on Twitter.
I can't I stole that from who is that? N Carle?
I think goes on Twitter?

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Yeah, Okay, to kind of a realization that thinking of
what's to come, m this wedding might have been the
best idea because it's going to pull Leader away.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
From her mom mmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
And when her when it comes time for her mom
to denounce the emperor and now and start the rebellion,
it's going to take that target away from her family
because she's going to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Have nothing to do with them. Mmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
So it's kind of like better the devil you know
than the devil you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. And while it is
an arranged marriage, and that is very ick.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
You've kind of got to think that at least now
leaders safe.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Perhaps perhaps she doesn't want anything to do with her mom. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,
but it wouldn't have an interesting story to see where
Leita is post return of the Jedi.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Well, we know she ends up because in Bloodline.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Oh was she in Bloodline? I forget? In Bloodline? Yeah? Oh,
I forget that. Okay, Leda, was the relationship repaired at all?
Were they still? Uh no, they're still They're still okay.
I didn't really don't. I read Bloodline so long ago.
I forgot she was in that. What else did I have? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
A few thinks I hear about Paran being right since
it killed that family until her death, the one short
were luth and her eyes. No, So I guess we
can just get onto the sad part.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Oh yeah, we didn't. We put a pin in this earlier.
I thu out, I thought you mentioned it. We didn't
go ahead, bring it on. Brasso went down like a
fucking hero. R I P R I P Brassoh God,
I it up. I was so sad. I was so sad.
I mean, it makes sense, hasn't made sense? It makes sense.
We're gonna lose these characters. But because they're a grog,

(01:12:04):
one is leaning to road, one leaning to rebellion. These
characters aren't around for rebellion. It makes sense that we're
gonna lose these people as a tragedy. The story this isn't.
If you didn't see this as a tragedy, then even
watch the wrong show tragedy. We're gonna lose our characters.
We're gonna lose all these character by the end, except
for the ones that are in real one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
There's one that I think he's gonna survive isn't in one,
and we'll get to that when we get I think
so too. But again, got back to your history. This
is the story of Anne Frank mm hmmm, hiding in
the Ayic and then the the neighbors gave them up.
Only in this instance they didn't give them up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
No, I saw somebody right there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
I thought they did. Here's the thing I thought they did,
because Brassos sold it so well. The brass like, you've
betrayed you saw us out and then like he really
went for him, right. But then when he's on the ground,
he gives him that look. The guy's like uh, And

(01:13:05):
that's when I knew it was the only act.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
He had that smirk on his face, not a smirk,
but like he had that a little like kind of
like like a realization, Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you. Yeah.
And it was like Brasso went out so the other
people wouldn't get investigated. I saw a journalist who gloss
over that like they basically thought that they did tournament.
I'm like, did you not see the look? Like were
you're not? What did you look? Were you look at

(01:13:28):
you phone at that point? Maybe I don't know what's
going on, but you totally misrun the situation that was
Brassho being a true hero. You put us up, you
helped us out. I'm not gonna let you go down
for this. I will do everything like my power to
say it is not on you. He turned me in.
God damn it. Exactly my point. Agree, agree though. I
was so sad when he passed, when he got shot.

(01:13:49):
I just when he drove away. I was like, no, no, no, no,
no no. And then worst part about it is they
let us think that he got saved. Cassie does come
in and shoot him and shoots down the troopers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
You're like, all right, good, Yeah, did one of shots
hit the speeder.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
I don't think so. I think they had the storm
Tromper who could shoot the obviously the one storrom Trover
who could aim right out there. I hope it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
I hope it because it did have that one shot
where it like it zoomed in on that one storm Trooper.
But then you hear the Cassian Cassian's tie Avenger coming
in and it kind of like immediately cuts away, So
it's like, and his his one thing that I love.
I actually love that they killed him off screen. I mean,
I don't love that he died off screen, but it

(01:14:33):
speaks to that. If we look at the Grand ski
the grand scale of the Rebellion and Luke Skywalker making
that magical shot that blows up the death star, Brasso's
death because we're so invested in him, it's a deep
wound to us, but you look at it in the

(01:14:55):
grand scheme of the Rebellion and what's to come, it
really is a minuscule event.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Forgotten man, that's what's gonna be. He's gonna be a.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Forgotten you see me, forgot.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Well, we're not going to forgive. Cassie is not going
to forgive. No absolutely. The grand scheme of the rebellion goes.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
There's going to be no statue with Brasselo's name on it,
right and set up and corusc aren't you know? There's
going to be no mention of his name in the
history books.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
But he died a hero.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
And I will say my last point on this, they
better fucking go back for me two.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
But I'm gonna put a pin in that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
They all he wants to do is hang out with Cassian.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna put a pin in that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Okay, okay, you know what you do think he's going
to become K two, don't you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
No, I don't know. I don't. I don't think that.
Oh that's still maybe chucked. Every time I think of that,
I will say, we didn't one thing we didn't talk about,
and the one thing that pretty much did kind of
redeem the chuckleheads there was the very fact that the
reveal that we were on Yauting for the whole time.

(01:16:18):
Oh shit, did you not get that?

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Yes, that is that. That was the thing that actually
did kind of almost make it all word. That was
he flies away. You see the Missassi temples in the
background and where we're going to return. Yeah, hell, maybe
Cassian is the one who brings them back. I don't know.
That could be the case. We don't know exactly at
this point. The Casian is on yeuting for that whole time.
I felt like that I didn't because they they a

(01:16:45):
job about putting all the films in there. They put
all like the Mina Rao the Midrieen Divide didn't put
up there having for and then all of a sudden
he flew away you see her like, That's why.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
They did say we are going to see yaving Ford
in a different light. There you go, and now we
have with these fucking knuckleheads on the ground. Well, bad
thing about that is that we might not see in
the last of chuckle heads. Although I don't know they
can survive a year on their own, So let a
lie think he's arriving in a week or two. But yeah,
that's what I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
That was a very nice way to do it and
nicely count just reveal and we're gonna go back there,
and yeah, I think that's that's a good decision. I'm
also going to throw out there. Of course, on trans Driller,
we forgot to mention we got to see the Rebels character.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
K Yeah, yeah, I thought that was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
I like people say, Tony Gilroy is not a Star
Wars fan, but he knows enough that he is. That's
what I'm saying. He lets his people fill in the
gaps but need be, and that's what good storytellers do.
Make a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
I feel it was like they put that character in
there as just a normal like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Like a valet. Yeah and then.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Yeah, and Tony was just like, you want to call
him what?

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Okay, fine, Paul Merskin because these character oh yes, oh yeah,
oh well we know that Deili Roy knows about the
Gorman masker and Rebels and how that connects because he
mentioned that in an interview. So obviously Erskine is a
part of that bringing my mom into the Rebel the
Ghost crew. So obviously if Dave Lona is, yeah, that
guy there, that's you should try to make him that
guy I'm trying. Drill absolutely makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
I will I will say another little comedy moment was
when you have the the Ministers of Enlightenment, which is
basically Empire propaganda machine and talking about how they were
going to It's funny that they were talking about spiders
and how they would spin a story the way the
spider spins a web.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Hmmm for that, that was quite good.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Yeah, you have chronic essentially going yep, that's enough.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Ye don't very good.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
We don't need any more of that. Absolutely essentially just
being like shut the fuck up, like we get it.
You're propagandaized. You're spinning this story about the Goodman, and
I really like learning more about I say, family, like
his dad is a chandrilline, he was born on Naboo,
but his mother's Gore. I it's a lot of story

(01:19:09):
there's gonna be I feel like there's gonna be something
to that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
I don't feel like we're going to come back to that.
I think he well, I think he's definitely gonna be
more personally attached to personally invested in everything going on.
For sure. I wonder if we're gonna visit NEBO at
some point. I wonder just a thought process, like can
you mentioned that no where nowhere doing gore he's on

(01:19:33):
Chandrella mentioning Naboo. Maybe wouldn't be surprised, but it is
A senator of NEBO. Proa is a former senator of NEBO.
After all, So, and you know what, having bail one
mouth of visiting or visiting Padmes, So.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Did you meet this thing? Apparently they've recost Bail.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
That is a spoiler, Maddie as a spoiler. Some people said, okay,
I'll throw it out there. I will say that it is.
Then some people got really upset because that that rumor
did hit the web and everything else, and we're like,
oh god, the spoiler. You shouldn't have said that. So
you know what, I'm gonna give you other five seconds here,
spoiler alert. I'm gonna put up a spoiler better if

(01:20:14):
don't want to skip forward ten seconds and I'm glad
we go. It is true. He was recast by Benjamin Bradt. Okay,
so not spoiler. I don't know what the situation was,
but in that case, I think if you're going to recast,
if you're going to recast, that's not pretty good. That's
a pretty good recast, I think, honestly. So I will

(01:20:38):
say that I don't like it either or hate it,
but it is what it is that I don't see
it as a spoiler. I got a lot of people
got upset, like I'd rather actually know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Even true though.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Its true. Yes, it is true. Okay, other when I
see it, it is definitely true. I will say, though,
I actually I don't think it's a spoiler. I'm sorry.
I do apologize that if that was sensitive prescribed people
say no, some people are sensitive about it. I don't
see why it's a spoiler because to me, I'd rather
be prepared then like be like, wait, who's this? What's
going like I and like now I'm like, okay, now

(01:21:12):
I know what to look for.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Yeah, it's just because I haven't seen it from anyone repuable.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
I'm still kind. I just I would say I know
one hundred percent. Okay, so that's all I'll say. But yeah,
it is uh, it is what it is. Though the
recast is there, it is what it is. And you know,
oh what is it? The anything else about the the

(01:21:39):
oh you having forward like that aspect of it? Anything
else we top I think we got through pretty much everything.
Mm hmmm, all right, let's get into our force vision.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Then. This is my fourth vision for when we rewatch
Rogue one and the whole story comes to an end,
I think dicks of and the tragedy is that Cassian

(01:22:07):
never gets to go home because of something Diego said
in an interview. It was on the Star Wars Live
stage with him and Alan Tudic. He said, his home
is Bicks, right, and I feel like he never gets
to go home to her. You look at the Ferik's arc,

(01:22:30):
he's there, and then he has to leave this arc.
He gets there and then they have to leave. Maybe
they try to settle down on the olbum before, but
then he has to leave to go to Scareff. And
that's why he's such a tragic figure, is like he
never gets to go home. I wouldn't be surprised if

(01:22:52):
we get like a post credits of Dick's learning about.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Cassian's death.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
From B TWMA from B two or or whoever, right,
But I feel like she's gonna be the one that survives.
And the tragedy is that he has to give up
his sun rise for you know, for someone else to
see he becomes luthen.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
He becomes luthen. Okay, that would be tragic. That would
be tragic. It's an interesting take. I mean, I you're
the only person so far I've ever seen pt that
she's gonna live through it, and that would be a
tragic way to do it. And you know they don't
always do what you expect to do.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
I just don't think they will put her through everything
she's been put through just to kill her off. I
think she she's gonna be the that light of hope
that like, all this bad, this terrible shit can happen
to you and you can get through it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Yeah, I get that. I do get that. I think
that the line that she has about I'm gonna do
it if I'm gonna give it all and I'm wanna win,
I think she's gonna do something sacrificit that is something
big too. She's gonna be the key to some big
sacrifice that's gonna end up winning the day for them
at some point. I think that, honestly. But I like,

(01:24:15):
I like where you're going with that. It would be
definitely a fascinating way to do it for so.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Much like Shakespearean tragedy. Yeah, pulls right into what Star
Wars is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Hmmm. Okay, I have two two pieces
of forest vision I'm gonna talk about. I just gotta
be two one. I don't think we see him again.
I think we're doing with them. M h. I do.
I think that that's it. But you know, what leave

(01:24:46):
him and he is safe, you know always you visit
him in the future. He is happy with Tally. I
think Tally is a good owner. I think it Tally
is a nice person. I think he'll he'll live happily
ever after, as well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
As he wants to see Cassian. Let him see Cassi.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
He's got one more tragic thing to happen. That's gonna
happen to him. Someone's gonna find brass. Oh God, por
b too, Someone's gonna find breath. So okay, that was

(01:25:25):
my short, my short one here in my big fourt vision,
and it's one that you're really not gonna like. And
you're not gonna like it, and I'm sorry, I go on,
Parent's gonna become some fucking hero of the rebellion. Bullshit,
not hero of the rebellion. That's way too far, fu
way too far. But this show has never been anything

(01:25:45):
about black and white. These are shades of gray. We
are learning about all different sides of things. Right, Parent's
character has always been one so far of indulgence, being
a rich snob, like partying, partying all the time with
the right or wrong people. But in this case, in
the book, we saw and in this season, I think
we see that there was something. He does have some

(01:26:11):
kind of affection for Mon, some kind of strong affection
for Mon. Sure is he a dick about it? Sure
is he? Whatever is he gonna be? Is he gonna
be a rebellion? Is he gonna join the rebellion? No?
F In a way, I think he does finally learn something, though.

(01:26:33):
I think he learns and grows. We're gonna be there's
gonna be a note to those people, because he's going
to represent the people who are ignoring it. He is
the people who are ignoring all this stuff going on
in the fashion of going around, He's going to finally
learn something's gonna happen. Maybe he's at the gordm Masacer
and seze it firsthand. He is fucking shot him a
Goldman massacre. I think he might, But I think he's

(01:26:56):
I think he's the one that helps my get away somehow.
He sees the empire coming from Mon and he sacrifices
himself and gets and and gets man away. I mean,
he might not even sacrifice himself, but he does something
to be like mon go, I'll take care of them,
get out of here. I'll take care of them and

(01:27:18):
talk to people or something like that gets Lida out
of there. He might not die yet. I don't think
he's here walking enough to sacrific I don't know. I'm
gonna tweak it a little bit. I think he's walking
up to sacrifice himself. I think he'll take Lda and
family and go somewhere else. And he knows Man has been,
but he doesn't know. Mon can't go with Hi anywhere.
You knows. Mon's gonna be an outlaw. He's not gonna
turn her in. I think he's gonna be like, go,
I'll I'll stall them, you go get out of here

(01:27:40):
kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Do you think he's gonna be the hard door. He's
gonna hold the door.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
He's gonna hold the door. Yes, o door. It's not
not that they bring blasters out here. May move away,
but he's gonta kind of one who's gonna start talking
and like he'll do that she went that way kind
of thing, and yeah, that she went that way, Yes exactly.
I think he's gonna have a a heroic moment and
still and it'll still be selfish and character because it's

(01:28:05):
be about I think he does have some kind of
twisted weird affection or whatever I can say, love me,
but some kind of feeling for mom and you think
she's having an affair. He does, but that's that's part
of the political game. Does he seem that upset about
her and having an affair your boyfriend? That almost seems
like there's like a more open relationship there that we

(01:28:26):
know about. That was a a marriage of convenience, a
marriage of arranged marriage. They don't love each other, but
they both have kind of lackly together.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
They don't love each other. What good does he have
to save her live?

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
They have lived together for such a long time and
they have some kind of affection for each other. That
is still his wife and so someone he's lived with
for the last however, twenty years. She doesn't have fun,
but she's still his. He's still some of the person here.
He's still the mother of her, of his daughter, who
he does have defection for.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Then how quick do you think think it would be
before slime.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
More is right at his door? Right away? Could be
right away? Hey, Like I said, I don't think he's
going to become a royal rebellion hero, but I think
he's going to have a moment where he gets her out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Of there, he's gonna get shut in the back like
he deserves, like the coward, because he's going to be
running away.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
He doesn't learn anything, doesn't And this Antonio Gilroy wants
to teach people. Even if you're ignoring things you can do.
You can even even at the last moment, you can
still choose to do the right thing at some point.
Not him makes sense to me. It could be anyone,
but him makes sense to me. Just let me have this.

(01:29:43):
You might hate it, but you know I'm talking sense.
You know I'm talking the sense.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
I know you're making a point. I know you're making
a good point. Doesn't make sense to me that this
rat bastard would suddenly just.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Do the right thing for everybody else or for one person,
that he might have some faction for the.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Only person he has affection for himself.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
And Lida and the mother of his daughter. He doesn't
love her, he's not gonna like but he doesn't want
to see her dead. He doesn't want to see your
language in prison. If you read Mask of Fear right, yeah,
and he was in that hospital the entire time.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
I stop making a good point about this guy, just
saying Nope. I refuse to believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
All right, this is this is like saying.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
That Vader is going to show up in the accolade.
It's physic the physically cannot happen. It's impossible.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
World between the world, baby gonna shut up in the
Acolyte absolutely could have.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Anyway, excellent, Well between, Well, he's gonna have parents show
up in the fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
As a leader of rebellion. There you go, there's the
what if story the mad matha dies in parent is
so distraught he becomes the leader of the rebellion parent
or the other way around.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
All right, anyway, let's get these out of the way.
Parsex out of eleven Millise ranked things on a scale
of one to eleven. Year on pold Projects. I ranked
individual episodes, uh, because I felt like I want to
do that. I don't know if you how you did it?
These ranked the whole just did the arc is one thing? Okay,
but where's your what's your ARC rating?

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
I'm gonna give it ten because I know it's only
gonna get worse or better. Yeah, you know what I mean.
The show is going to get better, but the mental
anguish is going to get worse.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Right, get it absolutely Uh okay. I did it each
three the episodes, specifically for this arc, because I think
the arc overall was wonderful, but I didn't make some
of the other stuff. I went with a nine out
of eleven for the first one and eight out of
eleven for the second one, a ten out of ten
point five out of eleven for the third one. I

(01:32:14):
ended up ended up exact where you need to end up.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Those chuckleheads really did to knock it down for you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Huh. Those chuckle heads knocked at the f down.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
I thought that you people would have wanted the whimmy
in the comedy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
I know. That's the funny thing, is your I am
almost being hypocritical, like give me a little whimsy, you think,
and I got a little whimsy. I was like, that's
a little much. I liked the Independence Day whimsy that
I liked. I liked. I like the chuckleheads for the
first like two would have three minutes, and then I
was kind of like, okay, so when Doing and Freedy
show up, love that, love Doing Fredy, give me more

(01:32:46):
Doing Fredy, give me do your Freeity spin off. I'm
good with that. Now that we agree on. Absolutely. I
can't even say what those lines of dialogue that they
say you always say when I was canted squishy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Ten napsucks like that biggest fan and even he can
say it word for.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
What squiggles and that's really good. O. Don't there anither way?
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
What's your school for the last episode?

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
No? Ten point five out of eleven? Okay, ten point
five at eleven? So I really like the last episode.
I thought it everything came together way should it showed
the darkness of Star Wars, Like I said, We've already
talked about that aspect of it. I'm out here for
the darkness of it again, not at the push, but
anything else give me and or followed up Ils' career

(01:33:33):
or vice versus. We got it. I'm all good. All right,
let's move on now to the rest of our news.
I know obviously a long episode here, guess folks to
stick with us. I want to get first, get Maddie's
talk about Celebration and rant on read Pop and why
it is the worst organization in the world. The floor,
my friend is yours? Celebration twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
Five, talk about doing the bad fucking minimum, the panel
lottery system, is a joke. The fact that so you
go to a celebration right one of the main things
you would expect to be there as an artist ally

(01:34:14):
right where you can have like independent artists coming shop
that are this one. There was about five people in
a tiny little block in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Of the room.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
There was nothing to do other than go to the panels.
If you couldn't get into the panels, the only thing
you could do was walk around and shop for things
that you can buy on Amazon. All of these exclusives
of Black Series figures and all of this stuff were

(01:34:44):
also available on Amazon. Right they sold out, but they
were also available on Amazon. It was a lot of sponsorships,
like the ana the airline. They're a Japanese airline. What's
the big watch brand that starts with an S? Swarowski?

(01:35:08):
I think, okay, what the hell is there Swarowski booth
doing at a Star Wars convention? Why is there a
Dicky's Shorts booth at a Star Wars convention. It's a
lot of corporate merchandise collaborations, but there was next to

(01:35:31):
no independent sellers there. There was no at least Anaheim
in London. You had people show up with booths with
like super rare toys and action figures like the lowbot
with the laptop that me and Joseph Scrimshot found right
this time, there was nothing, absolutely nothing to do. If

(01:35:54):
you'd have if I'd have gone with young kids, there's
nothing for them to do there. There's no area that
you can take the kids to play. And like there's
like these workshop classes of like learn to wield a
lightsaber or learn to build a droid that you then

(01:36:16):
have to pay for if you want to take it home.
But dude, this isn't a convention anymore. This is a
marketing event. If you are not a member of the
media or an influencer of some description, there's nothing for
you there. And here's the thing. I was queued up

(01:36:38):
with a bunch of friends of mine for the food
hall right right in. It took them two hours to
get food. I left the line, went back to the hotel,
went into the convenience store in the hotel, a full

(01:37:00):
lunch for myself, walked back into the convention center and
the guys were still in line waiting for food. Dude,
it's bad, it's so bad. And then let's get into
the lottery. The lottery system for the panels. There were
people that got that hit the jackpot. Celebration, celebration, celebration

(01:37:21):
stage right. I'm just gonna come out and say it.
I had to bribe someone to get into the Ahoka panel.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Okay, tell me, tell me what we did. How'd you
get in?

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
I'd slipped the person two thousand yen, which is essentially
ten it's essentially ten bucks. And I said, I'll just
come out and tell the whole story, because again, it's
not exactly illegal, right right. It was a convention panel.
I'm not exactly sneaking into a government building, right. I
walked up to this person and I said, hey, there's

(01:37:53):
people leaving the panel. Is there any chance I can
come in? And she was like she was you know,
she was happening. She was like very broken English, but
she she understood what I was asking. She was like, oh,
I don't know what. I don't want to get in trouble.
I was like, okay, how about this. I will say
thank you very much, no problem. I will walk away
to make it look like you said no, so you

(01:38:14):
don't get any in trouble, and the next time your
back's turned, I'm going to slip past you. All you
have to do is not stop me. And she was like, okay, yeah,
all right, fine. I put my hand in my pocket
and I pulled out a sticker, and underneath it, I
folded up the two thousand yen right and I handed

(01:38:37):
it to her, just to make it look like I
was saying, okay, I tried, no worries, have a sticker
for a podcast that's not even mine, just to be like, no,
no hard feelings cool. I walked away for a couple minutes.
So a friend of mine at the Roosevelt's booth had
a little like two minute conversation noice.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Her back was turned, snuck.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Right through nice that if I have a ticket, I
should be able to get into one of those panels, at.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Least one I guaranteed panel for legs.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Do you know how much I would have lost my
shit to have been in the room when more Shadow Legends, sorry,
more shadow I keep calling more Shadow Legends because I
keep thinking of very Shadow Legends. More Shadow Lord got
announced than Sam Wittall was there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
Brother.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
I would have gone mental if they wanted a reaction
on camera like pan to me, because I would have
lost it. But I didn't get to see anything, right,
But other people got all three days on the celebration stage,
all the panels on the celebration stage. And here's my thing,
everyone who has a ticket, think about it. If you go,

(01:39:49):
if someone from Los Angeles goes to the next one,
they can only go the Friday, or they can only
go this Saturday, because you know, they need to get
childcare or they need to have work. And they spend
that money to go for the for the ticket and
they don't even get into a panel, right, and there's
nothing else to do. It's so it is so fucking

(01:40:09):
poorly managed. And like, let me talk about the Visions
panel for one thing. We're going to talk a bit
more about Visions. The announcement they played up, they played
some of it on the live stage. They didn't all
the creators that were there for the studios Japanese lately,
so mm hmm. It was so they didn't even have

(01:40:31):
an interpreter. So how it looked was the person would
ask the question in Japanese, the creators would respond, and
then there was a delay for the translation to show
up on the screen, so everyone was reading it. So
what you think is everyone being like quiet and not
really responding is because we were waiting for the translation

(01:40:55):
to show up on the screen and then read it
and then the next question to be asked. So it
was a really dead and with Japanese culture there is
a lot of like equiet, silent applause, let.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
The people speak.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
This was different. This was we had no idea what
was being said. Right, if they'd have had an interpreter
on the stage to repeat back to us in English
what was being said in Japanese, it would have gone
so much smoother. It's just little things like this, little
basic things like this that make me feel like, oh, really,

(01:41:35):
Popper doing the bare fucking minimum. I felt so bad
for Skotty Jet. I love Skotty Jet after this week,
and he's one of my absolute favorite people in the planet,
absolute rockstar. His panel on midichlorians was incredible, Like there
was stuff that I learned, like the the opera.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Scene in Revenge of the Sith.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
If you look at it from backwards, you have the
like it looks like it looks like an egg with
sperm going into it, which is like the giving of life, right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
I never looked at it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
I had a massive light bulb moment, which on which,
by the way, Scott Joah had now has his book
on Middychlorient's available now on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Go check that out.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
They scheduled that and other films and other fan panels
at the same time as these massive panels that people
were gonna want to go to, like the animation panel
and the Ahsoka panel. It's just such a cluster. And
here's the best part. I didn't have his pass for

(01:42:36):
this Sunday. I walked right on in.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Did you No.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
One checked me check my pass, No one checked nothing.
I didn't have a pass for the Sunday and I
just walked right on in.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Wow, I heard that about Sunday Sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
It was so bad, dude. It's this isn't a celebration
of Star Wars an more right, It's really not. And
me and Ken were having this. Got me and Ken,
that's what we're having this conversation. The era of the
fan convention has hit its peak and is dying.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Oh yeah, they've been mark It's it's been news. It's
more news now than anything else. And they's a place
for that. I love that news. But that's I get.
I understand if you'll miss the old and that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
If you go to that solely for the news, you
better hope that you get in on one of those panels.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
There were people there that I was hanging out with
I won't name, that were solely there for networking purposes.
And that's fine. You want to go, you want to
hang out with people from Lucasfilm, you want to network
for your shows and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
Like if you want to use it as an opportunity
to further your career, awesome, But you better hope you
get those opportunities because otherwise you're just going to be
doing what most of us did and just walking around
in circles all day. Right, And it's this is why
I'd probably not going to go to LA. I'll be
there that weekend. I'll be in LA that weekend, but

(01:44:06):
unless some things radically change, I'm not I'm not going
to the the actual convention itself, absolutely not. I'm not
spending all that money, and especially because it's going to
be in America and with the current administration, the tariffs
and everything that are going to be put on everything.
Not a chance it's fair they actual, But let's talk

(01:44:30):
about the actual.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
I will say the community side of it, Okay, did
you or did you want to know?

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
I was just say I'm still looking forward to going,
and I'm going to try the Master again celebration. It's
only been to one so when I try to get
more into it. But I absolutely I hope you do go.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
I really hope, because I know you've been wanting it
to be back in America for a long time, and
I just hope they get all that ship sorted out
before you can go, because the way it's currently set
up is it's ship.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
It's not a good time. It's really not, especially if
you want to take kids, like.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
Which I'm not doing. So I'm okay with that. I'm
not okay with the beat. Yeah, I'm not okay with it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
But luckily the best parts of it for me were
the community stuff around it, like seeing so many people
in five oh first legion stuff that have never met
of the you know, formally friendships. I get to see
people that I don't get to see very often, like
once or twice a year, like getting a seeing karaoke

(01:45:36):
with Alden and Scottie, Jeriro and and Goose. From trying
to the force and the damage which by the way,
I'm a pretty good singer. Alex and Molly Damon, Holy shit, No,
I really got pipes son, Yeah, right, Like I was shocked,

(01:45:59):
that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
They did.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
They did this song from they did the song together,
they did the song from A Star Is Born Shallow, Yeah,
and I was just like, where the fuck did that
come from?

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
You get a recording of it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
It was on my Instagram stories that like watching WrestleMania
with my friends Nick and Desi and then walking into
the convention. After that, we only got to watch the
the first night, m but it was just stuff like that,
and like seeing friends that I don't get to see

(01:46:36):
a lot, and the little moments like me and my
friend Ryan finding this because the elevator going up in
the hotel, the main elevator, you couldn't get in or
out of that thing, right, but we found a little
service elevator on the side. No one was using nice,
so we just started using that. There was no hotel bar,

(01:46:59):
so we had to go into the There was two
convenience stores in the hotel, so it was literally everyone
that was staying in that hotel that wanted to party
was going in and out of those convenience stores all
night buying booze and everyone just hanging out in.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
The lobby, right, that's funny, and like.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
Hanging out outside on the curbs, which we went to
a British pub as well, which I felt home.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
Was an accurate.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
Yeah, it actually was pretty good, and like the fish
and Chips was really good. Fair fair, but like it
was moments like that, like they put on the Phantom
Menace everyone, Like one of the videos on my Instagram
stories was like we were all sitting at the back,
like all of our group and we just lost it
when Jarjar came on screen, just like the whole pub

(01:47:52):
just went mental when.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Jarj I came on screen. Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
There were some cool little moments on the life stage.
Finding out Armed Best helped choreograph the Yoda and Dooku fight. Yeah,
that was pretty cool because he showed them a bunch
of anime, right, and they were like struggling for ideas
between the fight between Yoda and Dooku. So Armed Best
pulled him into austrailer and said, hey, check out this anime.

(01:48:19):
This anime, this anime, and then he didn't get to
see it until the premiere, and he was like that's
what I showed you. So like learning that Armored Best
has really like had a massive hand in Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
That was really cool to see.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
But yeah, it's a cool social ement for me. It's
good to see people that I don't get to see
a lot, and that is ultimately why I go. Right,
But if you're someone that is there for the news
or to network or even just to you know, go
as a fan, it's not It's not where it used

(01:49:04):
to be. It's like they don't even show they don't
even stream the panels to the floor anymore. If you're
not at the live stage, you're or if you're not
in the panel and you're not at the live stage,
good luck finding anything. And even on the live stage
they cut out before Like I got to see the
Asoka taser, people who are sitting standing at the live

(01:49:29):
stage didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
Yeah that's why why not? Yeah you don't want to
like it's I know, you know what the answer is. Whatever.
They want to keep a cant exclusive and they can't
control phones on there.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
No, it's because it's because of sponsors. It's one hundred
percent because of sponsors. Why would you say that because
you have on the on the Star Wars live stage,
you have various different like sponsor segments and sponsored giveaways.

(01:50:01):
Those things have to be played. Mm hmm, so it
takes up time that would otherwise be played other played
with the the teaser footage.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
Yeah, but you're talking like a body played all the
all the con exclusive teasers we got, which is Mandoin,
Grogu Ball, Shadow Lord, and Ahsoka. They could have found.
I'm sure they could have squeezed in five minutes worth
of stuff over the course of the entire celebration. So
I to me, the interviews and everything, I don't know.
I think they could have been on it. It's about

(01:50:35):
It's about keeping it out of people's phones, that's why,
because otherwise, why would they hear your phone in the
big panel? They take your phone in the big panel
or whatever I think they did.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
But the moderator from me ah Sosoca panel pissed me off.
I don't know who it was, because it was it was.
They start talking about Ray okay, and Dave was getting
really really emotional because obviously he's worked with Ray since Rebels.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
And my mind went to Stevens. Remember that part of thee.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
They were talking about Ray Stevenson, and the guy was
just like, oh, you worked with Ray Stevenson, who is
now passed away.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
How did that feel? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
And then then like then Dave's giving his answer and
it's a really impassioned answer that I was like, We've
never we don't get to see Dave this emotional. He's
normally like very down the line, I'm here to do
my job. And then the guy just cuts him up
and he's just like, oh, so, Hayden, how does it
feel to be in season two? And we're like Dave

(01:51:42):
sitting there trying to pause his fucking heart and soul out,
and you're you have to read off the teleprompter to
get your question into Hayden, like fucking let the man
like process this. And it just really it really, dude,
it really fucking annoyed me because it just showed how

(01:52:06):
like soulless this thing has become. It's a marketing event,
it's and I don't I don't take any joy in
saying these things like I'm not happy that I'm not
being like the big corporate event is shipped now, No,

(01:52:28):
this isn't what this people need to remember. This event
will sell by fans. This whole thing started with with
the fans, right, and now it's been taken out of
their hands and it's just a corporate marketing event. The
only thing I can I can really hope is that
because the next one is the fiftieth, we celebrate George.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
Oh, that's why we're getting That's why it's in LA,
because it's so close.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
To I'm hoping that that gets finished on time. M true,
because you know it's it's been delayed a couple of times,
so it's it's just the shame of.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Th LA. Also is that we know a bunch of
people out there too, so the community will even bigger.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
The community will be bigger, but at the same time
there will be a lot of a lot more of
the Bad Faith Act is there as well. But I'm
not I'm not concerned with him. Like I said, I'm
there too to see friends and have a good time
and enjoy it. But there's a lot of things that
I have to change with that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
With that thing, all right, well, let's let's uh move
on to the actual news that did drop. Yeah, the
marketing event that it was drop some news to get
to uh have your takes on some of the things we'll
go through those kind of quickly. Yeah, go for it.
So that was first the Mandala and Gurgu panel. We
did have Kathleen Kennedy, Like, I was impressed that we

(01:53:58):
did get the Sean Leaveys Guy Gosling stuff we were
talking about beforehand, like, well, there's no lucasfilm panel, there's
just the Mando gro Group panel. I think it was
a smart flood. I think it a smart idea. You
just have the man of Gro Group panel and you
have a plan. Absolutely, it's the bonus instead of like,
here's why Lucas Philip panel. We don't have a lot
to show you, So here's the bushed. They gave you
a man of Go group panel. Then go, oh, but

(01:54:19):
we have this stuff also, we're to open everything like
this and we'll tell you the little thought that you
want to know here and there. Let's get that out
of the way. But during that conversation, it was interesting
to note that Kathleen Kennedy continuously did confirm some films
that are still in development. Still mentioned Obey CHINOI unlike that,
unlike the Jack decided, my dogs decided about it. Unlike that,

(01:54:44):
as I called the carefully carefully constructed press conference disguised
as a casual conversation. She had it with the reporter.
She didn't drop her name. She mentions, she mentions Sikawa, tit,
she mentioned the Bangal, mentions Kimberg, and even mentions Filoni.
So those films are all still in development. And I'm
glad to hear it. So every he can say anything

(01:55:05):
they want to say, they're still in development. That's what
that means development. So next up there we'll talk about
this is what I want to talk to you about.
Starfighter is announced. Sean Levy confirmed, Ryan Goslin confirms, no more.
This is a report.

Speaker 3 (01:55:19):
Yeah, the way that and I love pay five because
the way that Shan Levy came out and said a
lot of things. Have reported most of it wrong. Most
of you have reported the things, most of it wrong.
But here is the one thing that you did get right.

(01:55:40):
And when he said that, I was like, I mean
this one one hundred percent Surya and was it was
Ryan coming out and like just hearing the tone in
Sean's voice, I.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Was like, this guy doesn't give a fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
He's made Disney a billion dollars, he doesn't give a
fuck about this.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Goopers he doesn't give a fuck about the cricks. I
just like, rumble, young man, rumble, go go forth and
do your thing. Brother, Let's be honest. That's why he's
been for the while. This whole thing came from in
the first place. Look at something just he wasn't saying anything.
He's like, yeah, I'm making a Star Wars movie. Yeah,
I'm doing this. Were doing this now. He actually gets

(01:56:20):
the idea of actually he's actually doing it, officially doing
it now.

Speaker 3 (01:56:24):
Even Dave found his not sad because he was he
was mate. He did it twice. He joked about the
He made a joke about the action figures. How would
people say it's that Dave just gets the bad action figures.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
It's just them playing.

Speaker 3 (01:56:37):
And he was just like yeah, he was talking about
oh yeah, I pulled some of the good action figures
back from John Favreau for this one.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
And I was just like John got to play back
a little bit too, is I guess I don't use
lightsabers in my show. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:56:52):
But it was just like, Dy've his everything that's being said,
and he's just like.

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
Its wait, just wait. There's a great interview that Dave had.
But the ash Cross and later on while they're just
like sitting down with him, and she mentioned she brought
up the the teaser footage that was played, which I
did see that we.

Speaker 3 (01:57:10):
Were standing outside. We were like watching the interview happen. Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:57:15):
I got to high five Joon Favreau on the way out. Nice. Nice,
And she brought the footage that was shown. They showed
the end. They showed whatever one assumes, and I think
rightfully so it's Ronald the hut is the glaviator rata
or w W E ring whatever. And I loved Dave
being Dave because she brings up and we see our

(01:57:36):
first glimpse of das like, oh, is that what you saw?
Mm hmm, oh that's what that is? Huh oh interesting interesting?
Maybe so you're assuming that's who that is? Oh okay.

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
Did you see the interview with Pedro where they asked
if it's Jeremy Allen White and Pedro was just like,
I know, I've not heard if it's Jeremy al and
White that when Jeremy album White makes his way the
Star wars, I was like, you motherfucker, you just confirmed
it without confirming it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
That's what he does. Man, they do. I can't keep
his mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
Which have you watched the Last of Us yet?

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
Yes? I have now finally, Yes, he is as busy.

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
He's not gonna be as busy as we thought he was.
And I've played the game, so I didn't want to
say anything, right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
I'm glad I was able to keep the spoilers away
and I missed. I didn't watch it for couple days
and we watched it like a couple days later. So
but if the game, so I knew something was happening.
Mm hmm. I know it was a big spoiler coming
and that was like divisive and everybody was talking about it,
but I did not know what necessarily it was.

Speaker 3 (01:58:43):
Okay, seeing people are divisive, now just wait till it
gets later on. Oh okay, yep, yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
It was just.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
Yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to and it's a cool
name too.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
Stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
The ship it looks cool, I've said, like the pictures
of it looks kind of like a like an X
wing nose put onto an A wing. Actually I was
asked Alex what it was and he had no idea
what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
Something new, no one, who's no one. I like the
idea of as I think four centers had top Gun
in space. Uh, kind because it feels like potentially, I
think it's a great idea.

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
We find daft.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
Rando, I hope not with everyone. And hey, put can
poor Ken in his grave? Uh, that happens. Dash is
fine for what it was, Dad, So I don't want
to see anymore. Let's put it that way. I think
though it was great about it is that we already

(01:59:44):
thought he was a Jedi, and now it's like, oh,
maybe he's that in Jedi. He's not a Jedi, but
you think it's a Jedi component to it from the
rumors going around the story Wise, we don't know this
is all rumors at this point, but that it was
like a fifteen year old lead who is maybe more sensitive,
like like showing lee. He said, I don't. Hey, I
know most of what's been for boys, he said some,

(02:00:05):
some and some So he said most I believe. I'll
look up the panel I remember watching, he said most,
he said, So I'll bring it up right after right now,
he said, either way though some of the rumors are
sure of though some of them roomors have been true.
So Jeremy all White as rata rumor true. I mean
there's a lot of I'm talking about I know, I'm

(02:00:27):
talking on General lucasfilm, Star Wars, groups and everything else.
A lot of them are true also, So I do
think that there's a fifteen year old lead Jedi and
like Gosling maybe playing his uncle. That could be an
actual uncle, or it could be a like a family
friend like uncle Harlow kind of thing. Potentially, who knows.
Why'd you like to the idea of having a scoundrel
leed Star Wars or maybe not even league is you know,

(02:00:49):
Gosling might be the lead because he's the name. The
lead character might be a fifteen year old I could
see that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:54):
He might be the top billing, right, Yeah, but that's
it's from Stranger Things or something.

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
Potentially that it's all I get stuff there potentially there.
I'm excited about it coming out.

Speaker 3 (02:01:05):
May.

Speaker 2 (02:01:06):
I glad we had a date and we got the
logo and we got everything, so definitively you could say
that that one is going to happen. I think, I
mean nine point nine, Yeah, we release date, release date,
we got a filming and they're beyond preproduction. They're actually
into are they beyond you start shooting the fall? They're
actually shooting somethings now, like production pre production things where

(02:01:26):
Sean said on one of the celebration stage interviews afterwards,
so if you said that, so I think this is
the one you can difficultly say, thanks so much money.
So uh, next up, let's talk about the anything from
Mando and Grogan that you want have to comment on afterwards?

Speaker 3 (02:01:43):
Or I saw the the Waner, but that was the
only thing that I watched, and it was because someone
who's a friend of ours came up to me and
was like, Hey, you're gonna love this. And also I
was like, okay, no more show me, no more.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
Good Okay, I already mentioned that. Okay, let's move on
then to the animation panel. To me, this was the
panel of the of the night on the weekend. Well,
everything else is the most we have the most news
and most like interesting engagement with it. Aparly three things
that went down talk about I'll say have the best

(02:02:20):
for last for you, Perston. We got was we got
more unused Cloning Wars footage, which is always cool to
see the Anakin Anakin and Boba Veet chase, which is
kind of reminiscent of Attack of the Clones. And Anakin
and Xam Wessel, so similar vibes there, but more of
that famous cad Bane and Boba Fett arc that we
didn't get that song of it was, you know, taken

(02:02:41):
away and brunt of Boba fat and things like that.
I'm glad that to see. I'm always happy to see
more of that, and it's a great way to do it.
Ad celebration. You get to celebrate twenty years of animation,
you get to actually see it. I like that aspect
of it. Did you see any of that footage afterwards
watching the panel? Nope, now you can see it. Didn't
see ship see a damn thing that you can still

(02:03:01):
find online I think somewhere now. But it's fine. I'm
just saying.

Speaker 3 (02:03:04):
Maybe because I was also in sky Jarro's panel, they
put the animation panel at the same times. Even Order
didn't get to see it. Order was sitting right next
to me.

Speaker 2 (02:03:16):
Oh, I might see it afterwards though, because it definitely
showed that that part of the panel on the live
stream that wasn't like a con exclusive one. Mm hmmm.
So that's why I got to see it, So all right.
The next bit is they showed the full event episode
of Tales of the Underworld, the first episode with the
Zage Venturess. I have I got a slight spoiler, and

(02:03:38):
I'm pissed. Oh okay, interest because it sounds fucking awesome.
It does sound awesome. I will say everything I've heard
I heard. I've heard description of the episode generally speaking,
I have we found out, we found out how, that's
what I think that's I don't honestly shouldn't I know. Yeah,
not gonna say how. I'm gonna say I think it's
important to spoil. I'm not gonna say what we found
out that we do find out, the questions are answered.

(02:04:01):
The question is answering. That's important to know because that's
what'll always been a big thing since she re debuted
in Bad Batch. But from what I've heard description wise,
I'm not going to spoil anything. I did get. Someone
described described the footage to me. I don't know why
I was really weak this time. I usually don't like
to get spoiler like that, but I just was like, okay, yeah,
let me know. And I got the explanation of what
it was. And I'm not gonna spoil it for you

(02:04:22):
guys on air here, but I will say it does
sound like a genuinely like important, lower heavy like episode,
like in a word, a lot of stuff going on that,
like you're they're touching on. It's not inconsequential like sometimes
some of the Tales of can sometimes feel a little
consequential and be more about just character fulfillment and exploration

(02:04:46):
and building out the character, which is also very worthy storytelling.
I mean, I love some of those stories as well.
This appears to be a little bit of both, which
I'm happy to say too. Some more connectivity builds I
am very pain of. Yet if I found out anymore
then I'll shut up them. The funniest thing about this
for me, though, is that I'm watching this panel and

(02:05:07):
I'm like texting back and forth and texting my sons
some updates and stuff because he wasn't watching was late
at night and everything else. It was like it was
like two third of the morning for me for this one.
I'm watching it and I'm like okay, And I was
on social media following the panel blah blah blah blah,
Pa Pa Papa, And now they're showing us a full
episode of Tales of the Tales Ender World, And I
sat there and went, well, fuck. I was like, that's it.

Speaker 3 (02:05:33):
I'm saying, we're.

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
Not gonna get a full We're not gonna get a
full announcement. Didn't think we're gonna full annoucement of animated
series sound pest because I kind of like that's the
whole thing about Celebration I was looking forward to. I
was like, if we're already get one thing at Celebration,
we're already get maybe a teaser for Vando Groger, which
we didn't get publicly. We're gonna get announcement of what
they're working on next and animation. It's gonna be the

(02:05:54):
not just Visions, not just Tales in the World, which
is alread announced. We're going to announce with the next
full on thing. And so when they got to that
show in the episode, I'm like, well, that's the end
of the panel. That's how they end these panels channel
this picking, Well, that's it. I started like great. I
started justifying in my head and I talked. I'm like, oh,
maybe they don't have it or they want to save
it for something. And then all of a sudden they

(02:06:17):
went back and also the next thing I know, Yeah,
they came back and they wanted to show us something that.

Speaker 3 (02:06:22):
Let's before we get into what it is. We came
out of the panel. We're walking to me in order
to walking towards the animation stage. That's the Galaxy stage
where the panel was being held. I hear a voice
and I'm like, nah, ain't I knew he was there

(02:06:43):
that week, but.

Speaker 2 (02:06:45):
I was just like, nah, I can't me. Then I
heard him again.

Speaker 3 (02:06:52):
And my jaw hit the ground. I was like, there's
no fucking way in order. Then turned to me it
was like, you never heard the rumor? Like what rumor?
Like Crimson Down Animated show. I was like, why the
fuck did no one tell me this? Because love and

(02:07:15):
Behold sound wetar comes out and I've seen the picture
and it looks fucking awesome, just the one beam of
red light yeap down on sound white. And then he
like they played the footage and then he like his
master before him, play it again again. We cann fucking mortal.

Speaker 2 (02:07:40):
Yeah, yeah, I will throw the nitpick negativity O. I'm
so angry I wasn't in that panel. I'm sure you weren't.
The only negative about it I've seen is that some
people want to get away from that era, which I understandable.
I get that to a degree. I also want to
see a I do want to say the post Jedi

(02:08:01):
and Luke Ben thing. I do want to see that. Still,
that's my favorite bet and I understand that's what their
place is. However, that being a side, it's it's Sam
wit Wheer being Darth Maul pre a full serious, full series.
It's dangerous. It's dangerous having Malla as your POV character,
because it's the temptation is there. It's dangerous because it's

(02:08:24):
always dangerous having the evil character be your POV character,
because the temptation is to lessen the evil, to make
it more relatable for people. YadA, YadA, YadA. That's a
temptation that always kind of tends to happen, the thing
that happened to some people don't like Boba Fat because
also both became a good guy. You know what I understand.
I think they won't do that. I think Dave Filoni

(02:08:44):
is too smart that he actually said that in one
of his panels. Later on said like is going to
be our emotional You can't change the Yeah, you can't
change the characters that haven't inscribed in order to do it.
But when he I first heard them kind of that
is a there there is some danger to it. Mm hmm.
But that being said, I also same wit word did

(02:09:05):
also say he has got to look at the scripts
and have input of the scripts, and nobody knows that
character like Samuel or does he was he was in,
he helped write the script, He helped write this story.
Oh hit what he had input on. That's what he said.
He said he didn't put on. He had got to
see the scripts and have input on it. So I
think that's how I don't think he's gonna get a
writing credit. Necessarily out Geet Dave for learning true true

(02:09:31):
I did was weak and I did find a league
version that I got to say that she's her footage
of Nope, I know you won't. I'm not gonna say.
I don't can spoil what it do is. I'm thinking I'm.

Speaker 3 (02:09:40):
Gonna I hate to be the bad podcast host again,
but I don't want to see.

Speaker 2 (02:09:45):
I know, Jack Ship. I'm not gonna say anything. I'm
not not gonna I don't know, but.

Speaker 3 (02:09:50):
I'm just talking about like even in future when that trailer.

Speaker 2 (02:09:52):
Drops, Oh, you're not gonna watch the Jailer at all? Okay,
this one. This one.

Speaker 3 (02:09:57):
I'm like, I Hi have to go in blind, Okay,
I have to because if I know too much, I.

Speaker 2 (02:10:10):
Need I need to. I need to enjoy this one.

Speaker 3 (02:10:14):
Just let let me have, Lucas, Please, let me have
this one.

Speaker 2 (02:10:20):
You're not going to I mean, they're gonna have a
lot of trailers and teachers out there. You know it's
gonna be I I got to meet, I got the camera.
So but I am excited about it. I do know
we did hear. Obviously it's takes place a year after
Clone Wars, and I'm hoping, but I'm hoping, and I
don't know if this is true not. My potential is

(02:10:40):
that we get at least three seasons, like it's an
actual like bad batch kind of things pieces and type show. Obviously,
ratings come to play. I get that, but like, let's
see it go through. And I hope it does take
us from that to where we met up in Rebels.
I hope we have the full story of where mal
is because then that that that's one of the few
things we don't have. Could be incorporate some of the

(02:11:01):
Crimson Dawn stuff. We can incorporate some of the solo stuff,
like I said, we incorporate a lot of different things,
a lot of aspects of it, a lot of different
potential for characters to join up in to have moments,
and Honda watches in full effect during this timeframe. I think.

Speaker 3 (02:11:16):
I spent all that money making the character design model
for him, and I'll be using one time in season seven.

Speaker 2 (02:11:24):
I agree, Paul Betty, come back, come back. I don't.
I don't think we'll get Kiara. I think we did.
I think we get Kara. I think we're gonna see
I think we're gonna get Solo too. In here a
little bit. I think we're gonna get here are going
because if we're doing Mall, here is going to mal
And I think we're gonna find what's more interesting in

(02:11:46):
a Mall story than seeing how Mall went from Crimson
Dawn leader to abandon on Malakor. I don't think they
leave it out. I don't think they leave it out.
I don't think. I mean, I cant be me wrong,
but I just feel like that's the that's that's the
story they're gonna tell eventually, although you're probably just gonna
have a big deal of that as well, obviously.

Speaker 3 (02:12:04):
Yeah, death talent don't try to tell me that's not
that town. That's anyway, last move on, because we're gonna
be talking more about that as the show comes out,
and we're already running like well into two.

Speaker 2 (02:12:16):
Sure real quick. Then a few other things. Young Jedi
Adventures is getting a season three. I was happy to
hear that. I'm always glad to have more Young Jedi Adventures.
I've actually watched the full season more nubs and it
was fun. It's fun serious. I guess the night he'll
make make it appearance in season three from what I've heard,
which is cool. I should see how they balance the
higher public stuff with the with the very giddy aspect.

(02:12:36):
Imagine that we get Young Jed Adventures and or next
to each other. There you go, Oh that's a breadth
of storytelling right there. Did you see a photo of
Rory mccannon as Balen's call.

Speaker 3 (02:12:51):
I did, Okay, he looked great.

Speaker 2 (02:12:53):
I love that. I was like, this looks freaking good
right there. That is what we needed as much as
I you know, recues Ray and I'm sad we don't
have him, But man, seeing that man out there in
full on sit there, hits like.

Speaker 3 (02:13:07):
Gear Jarney him and Rosario did a movie together.

Speaker 2 (02:13:09):
I didn't know that. Oh I didn't know either. I
didn't know. I can't remember the name of it. They did.

Speaker 3 (02:13:13):
They did a movie together, So they worked there's a
relationship that they worked together in the past.

Speaker 2 (02:13:19):
Nice. While you're looking at that, Dave Filoni did go
out and a lot more about Ahsoco. We tally didn't
really talk about these Soca Panalty much. We talked a
little bit about it, but Hayden returning obviously, but really
making an announcement that certain ad lack bars returning and will
be going one on one with Thrown. As far as
space battles, lots of space battles going on, and lots
of rebels going on, this is really if your main

(02:13:42):
beef with Ahsoka was that it was Rebels season five,
well you're about to get worse out that because it's
gonna be Rebel season six. I think for sure it
seems like that way in that case, as we've got
a lot of hair on Ezra and Thrown on one side,
Soka and others on the other side, all leaning towards
the great Dave Filoni movie that we're gonna get the
eventually the end of all this. Were you excited about

(02:14:02):
hearing that stuff? Or do you not want to see that? What?
I want to see more acpar okay, oh yeah, in
the space battles and stuff. I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (02:14:12):
We don't get enough space battles and star wars these days. Everything,
Like look at all of this this space battles in
this sequel trilogy. They all happened like within the atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (02:14:25):
M m hmmmmm.

Speaker 3 (02:14:27):
Give me like a proper space battle and let's, you know,
have Acpa really, you know, shows my way because I
think he did get shafted a bit.

Speaker 2 (02:14:39):
He didn't end the last Jedi and that's very true,
and it's a very true statement. And you know, some people,
some of the wrong people have like harped about that,
but it's true.

Speaker 3 (02:14:50):
I would I'm curious to see if we get like
a young a younger hole though.

Speaker 2 (02:14:57):
That would be interesting to say, That would be very
interesting to say. Potentially it would make sense.

Speaker 3 (02:15:01):
Like maybe the acbas on the back foot, especially.

Speaker 2 (02:15:06):
Since we can't really have Lea. I think we might
have Leya a date movie if the day's final movie.
I think we make it Lea there. I don't think
we have Leya in the Sosoka kind of thing potentially,
So maybe as a Leyah supplantation or whatever. Potentially, much
like I think we see the bout of the Karen Bell,
the Kiren Bell could absolutely that'd be kind of cool

(02:15:26):
because they don't know what it is that when that is.
That's true necessarily, But much like I think my prediction
for and or being that chronic is going to be
the one set of targein to do the Corner massacre.
That's I think it's a similar kind of thing. So
you got that character, we can supplant to somebody else
in hold it would be the good a good uh
Leyah fill in, so to speak, potentially. All Right, last

(02:15:48):
stuff from the convention, the one we didn't talk about.
We'll brief over because we are definitely running really long today.
Vision season three got their panel and they had the trailer,
and I was excited about the trailer, but I wanted
to talk more specifically about you've been in season there
was coming, we was coming this year. Everything about that
was good. I like the fact we're getting sequels to

(02:16:09):
three of the great ones, being the Duel, the Ninth Jedi,
and there's the other one I can't in Village Bride
think it was the other one thinking sequels so though,
which is kind of cool getting more in that world
or you've already established. But then, more importantly, the one
I want to talk about for you, the Ninth Jedi
getting an actual limited series. That news was exciting to me,
and it was surprising because we got heard rumors and

(02:16:32):
we had talked about rumors and that the Duel was
going to get its own full length series kind of thing.
So that's kind of what I was expecting. And then
I went, oh, it's the Ninth Jedi, which actually is
the one I that might have been my favorite one.
I don't like to get to go back in the
house to go back and rewatch visions that go watch
our episode. Yeah, I really enjoyed that one too, But
I really think that was my favorite one, or definitely
one of my favorite ones. So if you want going

(02:16:53):
to be the Duel, this is the great one to
go because I think there's a lot of story left
in it potentially, and I can't wait to see where
that's going to go. For sure, it's potentially, it said
the actual documentation, they said something effective. It's opening up
the world for a new way to have long form
storytelling with the visions. I wonder if the duel is
still like gonna if the dual long form is still
gonna happen, but that would be like the next one

(02:17:15):
after the Ninth Jedi contact, potentially, I'll be all here
for that. I hope they expand a lot of them
mount To be honest, this is great stuff, stylized stuff
we don't get out of the mainstream and animation. I'm
excited about that. And that's twenty twenty six. Twenty twenty
six pretty huge for Star Wars. Pretty huge. We got Ahsoka,
Rando and Grogu, we got Jedi must Shadow of the Lord,

(02:17:35):
Ninth Jedi. This is a lot of good stuff happened
in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (02:17:38):
So we just go get through this little drive spy
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (02:17:42):
When we get at least that has visions, we still
have visions coming up, baby, so tails the Enderwall coming
up this year too, once the Unerald drops, So then
it goes a little driven till October. Then now we
get the tails of the visions and then we're twenty
twenty six is going to be headlong, I think, So
you don't mean dates in twenty twenty six except for
Rando and Gurguru, but everything else is going to be
coming into play. Let's say, all right, last little tits

(02:18:05):
of bits I got got Tony mcnera is now co
writing the Tayko at TD film, which makes it to
me the most important thing Kathleen Kennedy is saying that
means is that A it's still development, and I think
it gets done if Tayka has a co writer. Now,
I think Tyger is very busy. I think tag has
been involved a lot of things. Him getting helped to
finish the script means they want to finish it and
get done. And Tony's a Cabeyward nominated film a film writer,

(02:18:26):
screenwriter for Poor Things and for the Favorite Favorite. So
I think this is definitely a good piece of news.
What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (02:18:34):
Yeah? If it gets ty can I hire the fuck up?

Speaker 2 (02:18:37):
Then? Yeah? Tager's on Tyker time. That's Kathley Kennedy's new saying,
your favorite slaying basically.

Speaker 3 (02:18:42):
As he should be. He's one of the top three
working directors in Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (02:18:47):
A strong statement. That A strong statement. Yeah, I don't
know that in top three, but I do think he's
definitely a very unique, inventive storyteller and I want to
see his film for sure. Absolutely. In that case, last
last bit of news, and I'm we're kind of glossing
over a little bit of this news obviously, but we're
almost two and a half hours and Nick and Carlton
Ces according to I think Jeff Snyder had the scoop

(02:19:08):
saying that they are writing a new Star Wars series.
Nick and Carlton Q's of the Ques family. The father
was a big into Lost. He was a big one
of the creators were Lost. So obviously, Kathleen Kennedy, you
never watched Loss, really, Kathleen Kennedy loves Lost. Obviously got j. J. A. Rims,
you got David Linda laugh and I got Nick just
going eric Carlton Ques rather, But they are. They have

(02:19:31):
done a lot of different things over the course of
the years. They did the Jack Ryan series as well.
And Nick is Dick. I'm blanking on. I'm sorry, I
from getting this wrong. I think Nick is the son
and Carlton is the father. I don't want to I don't
want to flip them up though, Yes, Lost writers, Carlton,
that's right, so Carlton has done a lot of things
in there, uh where it is Bates motel Lock and
Key Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan for Amazon. Nick had been

(02:19:54):
working is I think this might be Nick's first writing
credit potentially or for that along with U.

Speaker 3 (02:20:01):
Yeah, I watched the first season. That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (02:20:05):
Nick has worked with Little Off on Leftovers and Watchmen,
So I have a lot of cool stuff. There no
details about what it's going to be or anything else.
This is a big scoop or somebody that attaching it
at Star Wars News is saying, is this the serious
horror project that and or showrunners Tony Girroy is talking
about that was potentially in the works.

Speaker 3 (02:20:22):
There's only one person that should be working on and
that style was hard and his name.

Speaker 2 (02:20:26):
Is Mike Fanning. I'm older with you. He wasn't so
busy right now, So I think that might be the case.
Then then hold it off until you're not. I agree.
I don't have to be got to be one of
those two. Could I could, I could see, I would
get I would toss James Wannabon also potentially.

Speaker 3 (02:20:44):
Jamie wy Okay, yeah, one of those three, but the
two that have been like names have been put forward.

Speaker 2 (02:20:52):
It's got to be Flannigan or or g DT. So
that's really all the news about that. It's just that
they're writing a series. This might never see a light of.
This is kind of one of those things that are
barely in development. We're going to pitch something and see
how it goes. So quite interesting to talk about, interesting
to speculate about. I think lot. I think that's some
talent there, so it'll be interested to see what they
come up with. So all right, let's get out of here.

(02:21:13):
We've been here long enough. So Maddie, you're working with folks.

Speaker 3 (02:21:16):
Tanja you can find me on all social media at
Matty Mourna and you can find my vand Mourna on
all social media platforms.

Speaker 2 (02:21:22):
I mean, Paul on Swore to Douzio on Blue Sky.
You can find me all over this channel. All sort
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regular main channel. Also got review or I do talk

(02:21:44):
about v I don't my Queen podcast every week as well.
Class Action coming back in May for The Accountant versus
the Accounting two, which Rich tude erk Jarvi you got
to see last night. I have not heard back from
him whether he liked it or not. I'm hoping he did.

Speaker 3 (02:21:56):
I'm not gonna be able to watch it for a
couple to leasure the weekend right before Nice we do
the show. They were in a fundabout accounted to double
feech Nice.

Speaker 2 (02:22:05):
Hopefully seeing Coount two this weekend. I'm hoping to watch
Revengers of Sith on Saturday and The account to You
on Monday potentially. Yeah, that's it. You know, we can
find us the comments all I can describe all that jazz.
You know where we are. We will see next week
we'll recover be a little lesser episode. We have not
much celebration to talk about. Jess Ander. He's in two
episodes four, five and six, written by bo Willhemon, who

(02:22:27):
is the co writor on Chan's Mangled Star Wars project.
So very tat to see how this goes down, but
until next time as oh.

Speaker 1 (02:22:33):
Is PLD Projects presents Holy Snookes, the Star Wars Podcast
featuring PLD and Maddie Gunner. May the Force be with

(02:22:55):
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