Andor Season 2 Episodes 10-12 FINALE Breakdown & Review

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
PLD Project presents Holy Snokes, a Star Wars podcast featuring
PLD and Mattie Gunner.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
You may the Force be with you always.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Howly snow Say Star
Wars podcast. Here on any special day. We are day late,
but not a dollar short. We are here to cover
and or the finale has dropped, we are complete, We're done, goodbye,
so sad. I don't know, man, it's it was a
definitely power all done and we had to do it

(01:04):
dayly because somebody else on the podcast had something pretty
special to do yesterday. Mattie, how are you doing and
what were you doing that you couldn't be here yesterday?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
I am?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I am definitely a few dollars short after what I
was up to that the drinks, they were not a
cheap and this is someone who is at the moment sober,
so I was only drinking soft drink. It ain't cheap.

(01:33):
But yeah, I got to go to the premiere for
Mission Impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Very nice, very nice.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
I'm comment was it was possibly like top three experiences
of my life.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Damn damn. Well, let me ask you this off the
top of your head, trying to excise the experience from
the film, because that's always started to do what you
do kind of bigger.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
That's for me because this is my like.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
As much as I do love Star Wars, Mission Impossible
is my favorite movie franchise.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Right, and so understandable what you're ranking on the on
where the film, what you're listening with the film ranks
on the scale of yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Fuck.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Too deep to deep of a question ready, I would
put it fourth, fourth, Alright, I've only I've only watched
it the one time.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
I don't want to be like a lot of these
YouTube TikTokers the sort at the one time. We're immediately
shipping on it five minutes after we walked out of
the fucking screening, right, Like, I.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Did hear some mixed reactions to it. Absolutely, Some people
who actually even trust had some mixed reactions to it.
Some people also said that I trust also said they
enjoyed it quite a bit. So I'm very curious to
see where it's gonna land on our and my lap
as it were, especial because I didn't really love seven.
I'm gonna rewatch seven again on Monday, and hopefully I
might change my mind on that.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Particularly like seven because they spoiler Ella killed Herbaca Ferguson.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Help. That definitely didn't help it. Let me say something,
if she didn't die, then I might like it a
lot more, absolutely true, because part of the reason I
didn't like it as much was her death. That I
hated her death. I didn't like how they kind of
like shove Haley at well as kind of like a
replacement part. That's what it felt like the whole time.

(03:34):
Helliett was like the replacement though, And I know, I know,
and that's what I'm saying, Like, but I didn't like
Haley that well as much either, So it just.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Comes Nya Naya becomes Julie ju it comes Elsa hey
Well also was.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
A special case though I also had a couple of
movies together and they kind of it was his wife,
but it wasn't like an action She wasn't like an
m I team member. She was she was the white
but she was also like she was in three right.
But I can deal with her actions because she wasn't
as she's not important to the overall scheme of the
actual action to the movie. She is a mcguffin more

(04:11):
than anything else. She's not actively getting involved working side
by side with with Ethan Hunt on the missions. She
is a reason he's not doing three is your favorite?
I do because and she's very important in that. But
as far as her role go, she's a maguffin.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
She saves his life.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yes, she got involved in the one mission, just like
and I got involved in one mission just like all
and got involved she did. That's what I'm saying. They
were replaceable. Also, was there for three like solid movie
movies or half they are replaceable? Not she wasn't though,
That's that's what she wasn't exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I've seen Rebecca Ferguson in that black dress fingers to Permia.
I'm fully on board with you.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
But to be fair that that wasn't the only reason
I did think it was a little bloated. I wasn't
as big a fan, and again this could change. I
wasn't as big a fan of I can remember the
actor's name. The villain of the movie felt a little Gabriel. Yeah,
Gabriels felt a little too you know what's there didn't
have a lot of depth for me. I felt a
little bit like honestly, a little like four. Yeah, a

(05:23):
little mustased for it. It was kind of like, okay,
like Simon, like Simon. So Sean Harris's character Solomon Lane,
I felt sing a litle deeper. He had something I
don't voice whatever, as Cavell had the arm block, and
there was something.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Going to the way that he yelled at the end
of the end of seven, kind of like all the
timey bad guys, they.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Were like, I don't know what you're I don't know
who you are, I don't know what you're doing. I
still know what you're doing. At this point, I'm kind
of like a surface level kind of like I'm kind
of like, you're fine. But so I'm hoping that I'm
hoping eight will help that out a little bit potentially
for me as well. It could absolutely retroactually make seven
a better. So I don't know what to say, what

(06:01):
the hell goes from it.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Here's my one piece of advice. Go in.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Thinking this is a mission impossible movie. This is a
mission impossible movie. This isn't gone with the wind, and
this is that this is everyone. This isn't an issue,
This isn't going with the wind. This is in Casablanca,
this is in Schindler's List, This is not gonna be
some award stunt. Maybe this isn't gonna be some like

(06:28):
award winning, super amazingly critically acclaimed movie as much as
the King of the President of Hollywood, the President of
Movies himself, TC Legend would want probably want.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
It to be right. You ain't getting other than stunt.
You probably ain't getting any oscars for this one big guy.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
That's fair. That's fair.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
But a kid, hey kid, it's not that kind of movie.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I don't know. I absolutely know that, and I agree
at two hundred percent. You got to go in the
right mindset. So but I'm looking forward to I really am,
because it is probably still even with my disparaging of seven,
I still overall liked the movie. I still enjoyed the movie.
I guess it was just more like it's kind of
like honestly bringing up the end or it's kind of
like how you put R two or three, R two

(07:19):
or ARC four up against R three. It's like they're great,
they're just not quite ARC three and like missed possible.
Like for me, three, four, five, and six were just
like this almost untouchable like level of like holy shit,
and when seven didn't quite hit that level for me,
it's kind of like, oh, it's a little disappoying, but
it's still fucking great.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
And then you go back and you watch two like
you were going back and watch for Rogue one. You're like,
holy shit, this is the best movie you ever made.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I rewatched Is Possible too, and you know what, you're
not You're wrong. It's still pretty much the worst fill
the franchise. Uh, I'm still a fun number one.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
I like.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I like one better overall. I think two was a
lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Friends Hale Robinson, me and how are talking about this?

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, she agrees with me that two is bad than one.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I I got it. I understand why. You get why
that's the case.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I think I persuaded her into saying that because I think,
like I talked to her around that's pretty close.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
It's pretty close. I get that. I mean I get that. Honestly,
making other good to me, it's Mission Possible starts really
starts with three for me. That's how it's fun. I
still enjoy one too. I have lots of fun with them.
And I can't wait. I'm sure they're recontextualized.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
How dag.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Real three is the best. It's like you put too
against three and three is like the best of them.
You're putting too worse up against the best of them,
like they're butting up against the like. I mean, how
can you lu.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Doesn't exist in Mission Impossible one, doesn't exist the Mission
impossible two three?

Speaker 1 (08:44):
He does, he does, But you know the movies himself.
I mean, you know, it's fine, it's they're they're fine.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Come on classified classify, although we probably do need to
about when we get buss people hit. This is by
a tower, folks. This is a podcast. Me and pod
are friends. Believe it or not. You can be friends
with your podcast co host outside of the podcast, and
you can have conversations that are not related to the

(09:12):
thing that you make content for, right we do all
the time, which we do all the time. But I
am never saying who asked for this? Did we need this?

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Ever?

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Bringer that's a fair I hate people that do it anyway,
But I go admit when and Or first came out,
I was a little bit like, what is this going
to do for us?

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I wasn't like, do we need this? Who asked for this?
It was more of a what's this going to do?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
That was the same way. I mean, I'm always excited.
I'm pretty much I love Star Wars enough that you
could tell me anything and I'm like, oh new Star
Wars awesome. I'm there. But when this was announced, I
was kind of like, oh, okay, sure, guy from Rogue
one was we were like, uh huh, okay, the other stories.
I want to see more. I got some more stab
out who need this or who or who asked for this?

(10:10):
It's sometimes it's like for me, it's usually like, well, yeah,
but I want I want I'd like to see something different.
There's stories I want to see explored that aren't getting
explore it because you're making this show instead. So it's
it doesn't get like I don't get resentful of it,
but it's kind of like, Okay, well let's see what
you got. And then you give us something like endor
and it's like, oh, that's what you got, that's what Yeah,

(10:32):
that's what can happen. But sometimes I was not familiar
with your game, which we should have been. That's the thing.
We really should have been familiar Elay Born. I mean
what his did, he does work on Rogue one whatever
that necessarily that work technically was we know his game,
we know he did well that stuff, So we should
have expected great things from him, and I would never, never,
never doubt him again for sure. In fact, as much

(10:55):
as I fully endorse and support his getting out now
and doing his own thing and doing other things, which
I want to say, I would love to see him
come back one day at some point to do something
else down the line, get a few other products in first,
but like come back and do something else.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Absolutely, this is gonna be a theme, and this is
something that's gonna come back later. I don't want him
to come back. Really, I feel like, so, Luke, you
paid your debt to society, you paid for You've so
you're telling that you've served your time.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
You're telling me ten years goes by Antonio Gry project
to announce the Star Wars you're like not looking forward to.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
I'm gonna be looking forward to it. I'm just saying
like I would rather him go on and like he's
left his mark, go on to do other things, because
if he does come back, everyone is just gonna be like,
oh is It's gonna be Tony gil Is, Like if

(11:55):
he did like like a George and just like did
creative consultancy on something.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Two thumbs up.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
But I'm like, man, you like, let me put it
in baseball terms, like you don't want to overcook it, right,
bat a thousand, don't risk it.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
It's like Jordan coming back after we retired.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
So you're saying, didn't you want to win more championship
rings after he came back?

Speaker 1 (12:24):
M you know what, I'm not a basketball guy. I
second come back he was playing with the Wizards. When
he's playing for the Wizards at one point the second comeback,
maybe maybe I think you retired and came back and
they won more championship and then he retired with the
baseball and then came back at the third time.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
And yeah, because that's the whole plots based jam right right,
That's why I went with baseball. You would have gone
that that more, but like you batted a thousand, like,
don't risk it, just like go sit down, hit the bench,
like thank you, thank you for your service. Your services
are no longer required.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I get that. And there's obviously when you have perfection,
there is always that worry that like you're never gonna
be able to hit the heights that you did before.
I get that. To me, it's all about what he
wants to do if he does his thing. He always
does his direction, movie, write something else, a great TV show,
and all of a sudden, ten years later he's like,
you know what, Kathleen Kennedy, I wanted I would love
to do a Son of vand or setting place turning

(13:23):
that there's this whatever whatever he wants to do. If
he has an idea he wants to pitch and he
wants to do that Law Star Wars law room thing
that he talked about mentioned you mentioned like a law
of that. Could you do it? If he wants to
do that, I'm like, you have earned enough for me
to let you do that, because it's not gonna make
end already left as far as I'm concerned, go ahead, cheer.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
He wants to do like a Stall Wars court room drama.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
That was the couurtrom drama. Couldn't think the words yeah for.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
It, give us like the Stall Wars version of the judge.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah. Absolutely. Before that, there are a couple of things
that we're gonna talk about later on. Actually that I'll
mention probably more during than one of more. Second is
that there's stuff that he talked about. He's talked about
some interviews that didn't make it to and Or that
I would love to see him perhaps explore one day,
and maybe I don't know how we would do it necessarily,

(14:11):
But yeah, I totally get him leaving, and I don't
understand what I support him. He did make his mark
and what a market was. It's funny I've watching all
these people. I'm watching a lot of content creators, some
who are less enamored with Star Wars recently non Star
Wars podcasts for example, who like not necessarily shitting on it,
but like for whatever reason they're just a little less enamored,
who were really brought back because of the equality of

(14:34):
and Or and like. For example, I work with the
Real Rejects. Real Rejects cover all Star Wars things. I
know Greg. I could tell about Greg watching He never
shits on it, but he's always kind of like, it's good,
it's good, it's good. But he didn't have the same
excitement that he used to have for it. And that's fair.
But he even said, like he watched it, he did
the and or rewatch or or Watch reaction, and they
decidedly on the spot they were gonna go right on

(14:56):
and do RUG one and he had a podcast to
drop today he was talking about how much like what
Star Wars did for what and Or did for him
and reinvigorated some real love for Star Wars, and he
wants to watch more Star Wars Gone and out everything else.
That's what something like that can do when it's that
kind of prestige format. And I really think that that's
that's what's impressive to me. Koisandre on that same podcast,
who is saying he's like, he's not he hasn't been

(15:17):
enamored with a lot of Star Wars choices recently as well.
But and Or really struck a big note for him
as far as it was like a rebellion against corporations
like art versus corporate powers. Art like and Or didn't
make a bunch of money, and it probably isn't financially
like hugely successful financially, but it was an artistically successful
and it could even if like the Being Counter, as

(15:38):
he said to quote to paraphrase what he said, he's like,
the Being Counters aren't affected or they don't care about
this kind of thing. It's the artist watching like who
ten years later are going to inspire to make their
own Star Wars piece because they saw it what art
can do. It's impressive what this series did as a whole,
and I'm not to use it. I hate through out there.
I'm not going to use it ever to decry any

(16:00):
other Star Wars. I hate that. I hate when people
say that shit. That's some of my least favorite parts
of social media nowadays. Oh, watching this like all their
stuff is slopped, It's.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Like, fuck you.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I love all the Star Wars and I'm not saying like,
you can tell me a show if you watch you.
I enjoy all the Star Wars. I know that this
was prestige and more like different style of Star Wars
that we're used to, but I think they both have
a great place and that's what makes Star Wars great
to me. That we can again I said it before,
I'll say it again. I'll filling a broken record. We
could have some like Young Jedi Adventures. We could have
something like Bad Batch, we have something like Skeleton Crew,

(16:35):
and then we can go to have something like and Or.
It's all the same galaxy and we can enjoy all
of it. You all have in times of it, So
just enjoy what you enjoy. If you don't like something,
it's fine, but don't use something as a weapon. Otherwise
it's not it's not worth it.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
But this goes back to what I was saying last
week conversation with my friend Ryan. It's like, and I
can like, I'm guessing me, Greg KOI roll around the
same around a similar age, right, we grew up with
Star Wars.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
This is these are generational stories. And this is why
I said, like, we're getting the same feeling now as
adults that we did when we saw Star Wars for
the first time as kids, because this is that version of.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
That storytelling for us.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
We are now of an age where we understand the
themes at a deeper level.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
We understand fascism.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
We don't understand fascism, but when we know what fascism is,
we understand corporations and how you know, how entertainment industries
and industries in.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
General work, how government works. Like we've grown up.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
With these stories, but now we've got one that's going
into these themes deeper for our age group. So it
is almost like, yeah, yeah, I can completely understand when
people say, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Wasn't so much into Ahsoka, I wasn't so much in
this skeleg.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
I mean, I don't understand you like, what the hell
have you been watching? You're crazy if you've watched Skeleton
Crew and it didn't do anything for you, right, But
sometimes people don't want nostalgia in the form of the
warm and fuzzies that we got as kids. We don't
Some people don't want the member berries. Some people just

(18:26):
want that that feeling of like yes I am like
I feel something from this, like I can put myself in.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
This, and I think that's a strength of and or is.
It's not mystical. It's not about the Skywalker family. It's
not about the Jedi.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yes, they have some little bit of a presence like
lingering over them, but it's ultimately this show is about
the little I mean, look at let's stay Cassian for
an example. Cassian was a tiny cog in the wheel
to get Luke to make that shot that destroyed the

(19:12):
Death Star, like all these little in the grand scheme
of the Force and everything that happened, people like Cassian,
And then you go even lower to like people like
Brasso as much as I hate him, Tim.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Bis Marva, Like they all build up to this grand,
this grand.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
Event that happens of the oder throne of the Empire,
and I think there's something in that, because if you
look at the world we're in, You and I are that.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Everyone who's watching this, we are that in the grand
scheme of life. And I think some people just want to.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
I want to want their art to reflect that and
like to be be able to be like, yeah, okay,
I I get what's going on here, right, not dumbing
it down, but like you're making it more relatable.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
I guess some people just want that, and I completely
understand that.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah. And I can also understand like the accusations made
towards like the Folony led stuff, because Filoney is very
strong on using member barriers to be honest, like, I'm
not going to deny that he uses the nostalgia a
lot and some people don't like that, and I get that.
I personally love it. I love the nostalage of stuff.
And as long as has done well, I think there's
a change. I think there's times where it's done well,
there's times where it doesn't well. I mean, I'm famous

(20:40):
for on this podcast talking about Rogue one. I did
hate the member Barry of of a Bond doctor Everson
Ever and Jenna I hated a member though it was
so like just forced it and it just felt bad
most of the time. Though I like when they're out
of think it's a nice little connection, especially because I
love the connectivity. And I will say and or six
scessfully avoided using any member Berriers because anybody who made

(21:03):
the parents in there, who was a character felt like
they were just a part of the story. Like legitimately,
there was no like pop ups if anybody in there.
It's funny. Maybe I'm I could be hypocritical because I'll
tell you I don't mind the three fo on R
two one that's in Rogue one, which is actually similarly
similarly feeling like in terms of it just popped up
and obviously it was just kind of shoved in there
for nostalgia purposes. But they did make sense to be

(21:26):
on the oven at.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
The time, and they've also got a connect to yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
And that makes sense that way, So I understand that's it,
and that's maybe that's why it works for me, Like
whereas everyone's kind of like, well, so they're in Jetta
and then like two hours later in tattooing and like
it's following a weird whatever I'm gonna you can they
can move that quick I get it, but I don't
like it. I didn't like whatever either way, but I
get the end. Or did not do that at all successfully.

(21:51):
There's a couple of times they could have done that.
There's times that they even toss some ideas around eventually,
but I'm glad they kind of stuck their guns and
they kind of let and or create their own member
barriers because all of a sudden, now these characters in
the future, if someone ever appear in awhere else, it
will be like we're doing like, oh nice, I'd like
to see what happened to to Vel is there Also
there's a comic book or book that takes place somewhere

(22:14):
during the rebellion and Vell makes an appearance or decided
to a mod moth the Yeah, absolutely cool, that's true.
That that's you know, that's technically wie Ma Bear. But
that again makes sense because he was had the I
sp at that point, and let's be honest, well eventually
made that his first appearance in a New Hope, even
though we didn't really know what his name was back
in the day. That's why he's into the Death Star

(22:36):
on a new favorite guess by the means, by the way,
is the idea. They show the death Star table room
table whim sequence from episode four and there's the empty chair,
like that's chronics chair. I love that. But either way,
we have a lot to discuss about this arc overall.
I will say, off the top of my head, Arc
three is my favorite arc.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
This is.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
But this was a damn close. I thought this is
very strong ending. It definitely nailed the ending as well
as it could on many different levels and in ways.
I kind of thought, we're unexpected to a degree and
how they did it was it perfect? No, but it
was pretty damn close, pretty damp close overall. So we

(23:20):
should just get kind of right into it. I mean, well,
we'll catch up with anything we miss. We do things
if you haven't been there before. We usually go through
the show reviews with segments. Let's just let us hit
on the like the high points, low points as we
go through, and then we kind of catch up at
the end. Then we usually go into news. I'm gonna
like you know right now, I did not prepare new
news this week. It's just it was a tough week

(23:40):
and we had a long We thought this might be
a long show and might have had a heart out,
which I don't have anymore. But either way, I figured
we'll just do news next week when we have nothing
on the Doctor to watch. That's new. We are watching
World one again. We're doing a rewatch of Rogue one
with the and Or season two context recontextualization of it,
and we'll talk about that. But it seems like a
better time to do news then, And quite frankly, it's

(24:02):
not exactly a lot of breaking news recently. It's kind
of a slow news time here, A couple of biting
to have for a while. Yeah, and absolutely it makes sense,
so I O doun't mind skipping it this week. So
let's get our into our segments as we go through them.
First segment we always have is want to be doing
adjacents for and Or. We usually do Honda Watch twenty
twenty five, where we want to know if Hondo Onnakau

(24:23):
made his return to the Star Wars stage on screen
in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
We did this week.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
The DC festal was Outlaw was dropped. I haven't played it,
I probably won't be playing it for a.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
Very long time.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
But Hondo Watch does technically end this week. True?

Speaker 1 (24:46):
True, you're right, You're right. I mean it's not part
of and Or, but as a part of the Star
Wars Gas as a whole. That's true.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yes, to go on to your point, this show does
not involve Hondo watch.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Sue, that's right. We decided during the before the season
began that we knew that Honda wasn't going to make
an appearance because, quite frankly, the tone of Hondo's character
didn't quite jibe with the tone of what they're going
for for and Or. Although he was didn't appear anywhere,
but would have been this arc and him and k
Twus had something potentially that would have fit. But he
does not appear. We decided to adopt a different watch.

(25:19):
We decided to adopt Mosque watch than at Linus Moscue
or Sergeant Linus Moos from season one, who was normally
my figure at Glove shows, and I'd love to see
that's goin. I hope it would get a check in
on where he was by the end of the show.
I didn't really expect to appear, and especially after the
death of Cyril last week, I really didn't expect him
to appear.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
I thought that's when we would get him like some
kind of memorial, like like the funeral scene for Cyrio,
and it's literally just Mosk and Edie Cohn. Even it's
just Musk at the grave, Like Edie doesn't even visit
horns on the grave, right right, I can say that
disappointed that he died.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I also will say he did a kind of appear
in spirit in a way because there was a lot
of like echoes to the first season. We had the
the raid on the safe House, which kind of definitely
harkened back to that very first arc where Cyril and
Mosque had led their raid on Verdicts trying to nail access.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
I almost felt like we're gonna say we you see
Moss as a storm trooper or like one of those
is that gonna be a Mosca there?

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Moscue is a cup.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
I was like, well that what happened? So the spirit
of Mosque was alive I think in that way. But no,
we did not get mass Watch five. I think there'll
probably be the final massu Watch unless Gilroy does come back.
So I don't see Mosca figuring anywhere else, although you know,
stranger things have happened.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
For sure, he could show up in h What's it taking?
Madelina Grevi theoretically could. I don't think it's gonna happen
shop a pilot.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
All right, let's move on to you.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
But like you know how Maverick has the photow of
Goose who zero.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Talk to me, Cyyl, talk to me. All right, let's
get on to you. Our really scheduled segments. The first
when we talk about is our character of the week.
The character of the week. We have done these again.
We usually do this episode by episode, but with and
our remain exception because they dropped three episodes at a time.

(27:32):
In our format, we decided to cover all three arcs.
We might expand on the segments a little bit because
there is, you know, obviously a lot more to talk about. Generally,
speaking wise, I'll talk about my I'll want to drop
my through character of the week, and this is of
all three episodes. Really I want to give this character
a big shout out. Really came into their own. That's Claire.

(27:54):
Claire was easily my character of.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
The artist because Claire was mine too.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I mean this makes sense obviously, speaking like this is
the actress's first first role, Like she graduate, like got
out of school a little bit too low, and this
is what she graduated to and whole. What a debut
for her, and this arc really was about clad in
so many ways. We had obviously to be like almost
bottle like episode that was the first one, which is
basically it was Luth and Clail all the way through.

(28:18):
We got to see a little bit of young Claya
and an older a younger luthan younger Cloud and how
they developed all as a part of this story where
Clay has to make a decision. Obviously you know the spoiler.
Obviously we're gonna spoil everything that's not clear.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
We're spoiling everything, So we will be spoiling things.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
So after Luthen, after the great sequence with Luthen and Lannie,
which I'm sure we're going to touch on a little bit,
Luthen is captured almost despite him trying to kill himself
and goes into the hospital and Clay's got to figure
out what to do and how to get the information,
the big information about the Death Star that Lonnie discovered,
how to get that back to Yavin, and also what
to do about Luthen, and it is all about but

(29:00):
she does on her own, really and she really comes
into her own. I really think this episode specifically showcases
that it almost wasn't Luthan in charge entire time, but
it was almost Clay was in charge the entire time.
Luthen was just the kind of like the he saw
the fire in her and and he kind of just said, Okay,

(29:20):
this is what you want to do. I will help you,
and I'm going to tell you. I'm going to guide
you into doing how you what you want to do.
I don't know if Luthen ever starts the rebellion without her.
I feel like he would have like left and maybe
done his own thing. But like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
I think I think he.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Might off just I think it was her fire and
her desire for vengeance that really kind of like sparked
something in him to go, Okay, I will help you out.
Like the whole opening sequence with him and her not
open sequence, the whole first flashback sequence, or he's on
the ship with the mud Troopers and he's like he's
a sergeant in there, and we discovered that Claya is
like one of the obviously she lived on that planet

(30:02):
and she was hiding out on the ship. He was
like not happy with the empire, but I feel like
he was like more of the I'm just gonna leave
the empire is and for me kind of thing, and
then discovering her and her wanting her vengeance, Like that's
when he's like, Okay, I'm gonna help you become who
you want to be as long as you're sure that's
what you want to do. So I don't know if
he has I think that's what made him go, Okay,

(30:23):
we'll do this whole rebellion thing.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
I I did think it was to at a little point.
I did think it was pretty nudge nudge of wink
wink that his real name is leah mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Because of this the story of King Lear of dividing
the kingdom up between his three children and three children
in this case being Claia Cassian and vell yep yep.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Absolutely agreed, absolutely agreed in that Yeah no, but but
Clayde has that whole movie is about her and her
upbringing and as she goes on to make these great decisions.
What are performances throughout the entire arc, even like as
we get further into the arc and becoming less about
a little bit less about her, but she's always I

(31:09):
every time she was on screen, she made this great
like just impact. It showed she at the end of
the at the end of the arcs, at three arcs,
we get to see her finally giving a little smirk
of hope. She got to watch the sun's sunrise that
Lutha never got to say. And it was just a
very powerful performance throughout she I never if you told

(31:33):
me the beginning that our last three episode would have
honestly concentrated so much on clayout like there's no way.
But I made it work. I made it work so
well that she became kind of like the the heart
of the rebellion. And I've said that about a couple
different characters, so we had We're like doctor who, we
have more than one heart, but she is definitely a
part of the rebellion.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
It's what Tony Gilry has out of multiple interviews now,
it's like this shot this season in particular is about
the five women of and And one of the big
criticisms about Tony Gilroy is that he.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Can't write strong women. Boy did he fucking prove everybody wrong.

Speaker 6 (32:13):
Hm.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I agreed on that.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
That's something that I've had about about Tony Gilroys, like
he can't write strong female characters. I'm just like uh,
excuse me, bis vel Sinta Claire.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
They're all pretty solid.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Even Dedrah to a degree. Yes, she's just gone back, but.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
She's a great character though, and strong character. I got
to be honest with you. I know you want a Greek,
I know how you are, and that's okay. But I
actually even felt a little I don't know, the beginnings
of sympathy for her at the end, not sympathy is
the wrong word, but like a little bad for empathy,
kind of like pity. Ye, petty's probably the best word.
But she definitely deserved what she got. But like at

(32:57):
the end you watch, you're like, wow, damn, because you
know that she also, I mean she is. She made
the choices that got there, absolutely, but she also had
her own struggles and it was definitely not a dark
some dark moments in there, and god, it is deserved.
I'm actually glad that she didn't die. I was actually
very glad she didn't die. I thought that was agree

(33:20):
that was a well well deserved fate. But it did
give you a little bit empathy in these characters. That's
what Gilroy does best. I think even like the most
evilst character, either the great characters have that you're not
all great and there's some shine on tape to rub
off you. So like Bail didn't come off like awesome
during this entire time. But I thought, but that was good.

(33:41):
But he also didn't like it, didn't like ruin him.
It just gave him a little bit more depth. I
think the evil the quote unquote evil characters had their
moments of shine, except for like you know, only like
mustache twirling villain of Source that didn't have any kind
of like real depth in terms of like character development.
That was chronic. He was the he was the ultimate
battye this tide. I love chronic in this in his art.

(34:04):
I didn't think he had a lot. I didn't think, well,
he was definitely, but he was like, well, I don't
see the I don't see much depth in him. He
is the I am a bad guy, I am evil,
I am doing evil things. There's no really introspective moments
for him. I mean he because he was the big
batty like that would happen a lot of times like
in an overall like the Star Wars original trilogy, the
big Battye is Palpatine at the end of six. You

(34:25):
don't see a lot empathy for him. Tark episode four,
you don't see the empathy for him overall. And if
he was, they were in that show, this show, they
would be the big batty, the mustas steril, and maybe
that would allow Chronic to get a little bit more
of a get to go deep into Cred doesn't appear
enough to be more empathetic. He's like, he's the moment
that comes in here, has awesome moments. In fact, I
think he this show has done more for Chronic than

(34:47):
almost anything anybody else outside of Cassieing in Rogue one.
Honestly do I think that Backmond Moth but too it's
talking about pre established character. As far as pre established
characters go, I think that Chronic got a lot out
of and or like in terms of he actually felt
a lot more menacing and a lot more a lot
more evil than even in Rogue one. Rogue one, he

(35:08):
kind of comes acround sometimes and I'm interesting to see
how this rewatch goes. He's a little more simpering, a
little more I don't know bumbling is the right word
in Rogue one, but he's not like quite as like intimidating.
Like he is intimidating as well, in this in this
season two. But so I'd actually put him as another

(35:28):
secondary my favorite character of the character of the arc
as well his enough of his his his interrogation of
Dedra alone put him on top of the charge for me,
and then his also later conversations with Part of Guys
and with with Here's great moments, A great powerful like
mustas scrolling isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't think

(35:51):
it's necessarily a bad thing if they're shown to be
strong enough, and he's certainly strong enough to be intimidating
enough in there, So I too, Shi, what about you?
I think we're gonna say, A Claire, do you have
any other characters you want to highlight?

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I mean, I'll just go into what I was gonna
say about Cronic, the moment where he looks at Part
of Guys and says, I can't protect Ulio.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
It's a good point. It's a good point like it.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
I don't want to say it humanizes him, because at
the end of the day, he is still a space
Nazi piece of ship. But it's like those two came
up together, like they were probably at the Imperial Academy
at the same time, probably got promoted around the same time,
coming up, did missions together, helped each other climb the ladder,

(36:38):
and it was just a moment of like, for a
flicker of a second, just this brief humanity of looking
at this man that he respects, right, and when he's
even in the room with with what was it hurt?

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Hurt hurt. I can never I can never get it right.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
But when they're in the room together and they're just
like hits trying to come up with how to put
out the bulletin on Clayer, right, and Parks just like
looks across the chronic and he's just like, ah, take,
she's sick. She has a disease, which is again loops
background to when parts in season one said rebellion is

(37:22):
like a disease, right, But then Krenick just walks past
him and.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
He just goes there. It is why you still here?

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
And you see like that smirk on park AS's face.
It's like, oh, there there bodies right.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Talk about like being friends with your podcast host outside
of the podcast, like outside of the office, they're probably
fairly buddy buddy.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, you have to have some connection. They have some
history together for sure, you know, and I should point
it out. I did when I said I didn't remember
that scene. That sequence does actually lend create to that
and does give him a little bit more depth, especially
because I love part of Gas. I've always loved part
of Gas throughout his first appearance. So good point, very
very solid point. I retract my statement about that even

(38:11):
even kind of got a little bit of depth.

Speaker 7 (38:12):
That's so that's why I was like, how really, because
like when he did that, I was like, oh, yeah,
you two, uh your friends, you know, a moment, you know,
just colleagues, And I did like that. That's as friends
is you can be when you're in an empire, when
you're a couple of fascists.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
But yeah, absolutely absolutely, let's see anybody else that we
want to highlight. She had some great moments and fun moments.
Got to see him back, I'd say, ky to our selves.
Also got to throw it up there like he I
will say.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
For another Kagar.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
But as I as much as I love him, and
I do love him, I will completely understand why they
held him back into the Last Dark and held the
last two episodes really because he really almost single handedly
changed the tone, and he almost upsets the tone in

(39:12):
a way like in terms of like he just adds
so much of that buddy buddy humor to it, which
is great comic relief. We don't really have that in
and Or he's in one or two through eight, really
you know, like a B two Emao does that a
little bit in season one when he's there in a
kind of sad pathetic way. I don't mean he's pathetic,

(39:36):
but his you know, it's very like kid whiny kind
of oh kind of way, That's what I mean by
that where it's K two uself all a sudden makes
it like almost almost like a buddy comedy routine in
a way, And it's like it almost upsets the balance
of what Andrew wants to do. It doesn't quite there
there there there a little bit right, there's a.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Moment they get on, he to his love, but.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Right there's almost too much laughing.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Now.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
It's almost kind of like it gets me out because
Android is so good at like that oppressive feeling, that
like claustrophobic feeling. The entire time are like you should
I feel that with the characters. I'm like I feel
like trotted down upon. I feel almost like there's no
hope I feel like, oh my god, that's the success
that and Or has done. Excusing K twos so kind
of gave you that like release foul in a way.

(40:26):
So it almost works against the show almost luckily doesn't
quite I don't quite get there. It still, it doesn't
quite I guess it doesn't quite upset the applecark completely.
But again I do agree. See, I didn't understand why
why are you holding him back for a whole season
and then like we're watching the season like we're not
getting into the very end. He's like one of thost

(40:46):
like fivorite characters. A lot people want to see Cassid
and k K two together, That's what they want to see. Hell,
I think the initial pitch of the show was a
casting and K twos so show for Tony Gilroy got involved.
They want to have like basically have a castide like
he didn't want to have the nice guys. It's as
I'm serious, and I'd love that. I would love to
say I'd be hearing. I mean, hell, if Daniel Luna
ever does want to come back, I'd love to see

(41:08):
a like something gets a place between these seasons where
K to us so and and and he just go
on submissions together kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Well, I can tell that is his and Alan Tudik's
relationship because they like they spend every holiday with each other.
They all like they have become best friends.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Absolutely, So I just I think now that I see
that and I watched these last episodes, I understand why
they held him back. I think it makes sense. I
think it's probably for the betterment of the show, honestly.

Speaker 8 (41:36):
I mean, he technically was in the arc before, Yes
he was, but he wasn't K two, right, He's only
K two for like thirty seconds at the end, and
that's that's not enough to even compose the upsetting what
happened to him before.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
But again, I do love him so much. I would
actually still consider him ac remember, like a character of
the week potentially because he had he just he did
give you that kind of fun and you do need
a little bit of hope at the end, and this
show has done a great job of like leading into
a little bit of hope at the end. I one
particular bit about that, like kind of an interview. I
on't where else to place this in our discussion, so

(42:12):
I'll throw it in here now. I read an interview
with the composer Brandon Roberts Brandon Arms talk about how
they consciously made a decision, how like they went from
this like electronica kind of score. It's very like kind of.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Like, oh that was on the class Food, the Class Fi.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Okay, I watched so many things that kind of forget
where they came from.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Because they wanted it to go into rogue one, so
they made it more or castra with en so.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
By the end it's orchestral sweeping music and I'm gonna
throw it out there now. One of my favorite bits
the entire series is hopefully if you're watching this, U
stayed through the entire credits, like there's no end to
no post credits scene and no ending scene. But man,
did hearing that Star Wars theme hit me so emotionally

(42:55):
and I like, in a what has never really hit
me before because it's not like prize to be sure,
it's it was a great surprise, and it's not like
an emotional piece generally speaking, but like I listened to
it again a couple of times that I realized what
it was. I listened to I think Ken napplucks at
one point, and other people have said it too, she
I think just scrimshot. She said as well. And I'm like,

(43:15):
halfway through the Force Under review, they've mentioned how like
that was like not just thrown in there as like
an easter egg that was thrown in there is like
this is the this is what this is all led to,
like Luthen's entire thing that we began with the Luthen
in this like we're getting the rebellion and everybody else
in the heartbreak and the tragedy, and we are ending

(43:37):
on hope and everything that we are watching this heartbreak,
this clausterphobia, this oppression leads to the Battle of the Avin,
the destruction of the Death Star and that great triumvent
the music playing. And for a show that has been
the most unique Star Wars show, the least the least

(43:58):
of these Star Wars like adventure fun type shows, it
was great to tie that end together so seamlessly, and
it gave us that like I teared up at it.
I was like, I was like, and I'm like, why
am I tearing up? This is not I got tear
up type theme usually, but it just it hit me
so right, and so I love that. So I'll say
that the score. Arc of the week is character of

(44:19):
the week if I had to go there.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
So the only reason I didn't give it to K
two is because he's going to get an entire category
to himself coming up.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I think I know a category that is, and I
don't deny it. Let's move on to our next category,
then next category. Favorite lines of dialogue of the weeks
of the arcs, as were sure, I had a couple
of bunch of different lines I want to talk about
here and there, something funny and some not. That's things.
Sometimes our comic comic moments are also a crossover because

(44:47):
there are lines of dialogue said. But I had enough
that we're in there that we should talk about. Do
you want to go for a seal? I went first,
character one.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, I go too. I picked out a serious one
and a funny one. We'll start with the serious one
because I think my funny one's going to bleed than
to that comic moment, so we can just go with
that cronic. When he grabs hold of Dedra, he says,
we will do our best to carry on without you.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
I got I got goosebumps because like he's not even
looking her in the eye and adding to the fact
that she's in the room that she interrogated Cyril, in
like the very same room. It's like that full circle
moment of her coming back to like and looking out
through the window, just seeing a bunch of men and
she's she's on the outside looking in again like she

(45:37):
was before. And it's just like, you meant, like Cyril,
who she was manipulating the entire time, you meant nothing
to them, You're and you're fucked, and you are fucked.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
But also it's just like when he when he's talking
about how she went after Luthen on her own, it's
almost like her, how dare you think that you're above
your station right right?

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Like you are where you are, know your place, right,
don't ever try to go over our heads, because this
is what happens when you do. Absolutely And the way
he just like grabbed her, it was it's fucking disturbing
because he's just like and he just like sits her
back down and he's just like, we will do our best,

(46:31):
but her.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Weight on the head. It was so freaking great.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
That wasn't in the script.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
He came up with Ben Medelstone. It's so memorable. It's
such a little. It's a small thing, but it is
so weird because he's just like it.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
And then he just walks around her. I'm like, that's creepy,
Please don't please stop doing that.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
A great moment and then he snaps at her, but
then he just like brings himself back down and he's
just like, we'll do our.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Best to get to get on without you, and just
walks out the door. And I was just like, that
was flucky cold.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Mm hmmm, oh so good, so good. A bunch of
different lines I had all through out there. If you
want to say another one for later, you.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Said, yeah, because it it just goes right in a comedy.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
So all right, let's go into my favorite the whole
one of your bits of the Guitar arc was the
beginning of episode ten uh, the confrontation between Dedra and Luthen,
And it was kind of like Heat. I don't remind
me of Heat and the two like.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Heat and Glorious. It also kind of reminded me of
the being Glorious Bosson's moment in the ball.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah. Yeah, the three and they were were kind of
playing with each other. They know what's going both of
them know what's going on. But they're both like kind
of creeping there. And I there's like three pieces of
dins that said or said that may be excited three yeah, three,
or someone un goes only two pieces of questionable providence

(48:05):
in the gallery today.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
So great, And he's talking about him in Dead r
all they.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Talking about him and dead and to do with the
pieces of work itself.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
I saw some people who say they took that as
him and Claya, but I I felt that was.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Like, like, no, it's definite. I'm sorry if you've been
I don't mean to talk down anybody, but I definitely
think you're that's that's the wrong. You have your own story,
so that's fine. But to me, it looks to me
like it's your opinion man, right, and she it's about
it's about her not being honest with him so far,
like she's coming off like I'm here right, Yeah, that's too,

(48:43):
that's true. Absolutely, it's like we're basically dancing around this
this king thing right now. A little later on almost
a comic woman for me, because the delivery. I love that,
and she's he's turns her and goes we still don't
know that mounts like that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
It's like that they're both trying They're almost like two
sides of the same coin. They're both like trying to
be like overly theatrical the way she does it by
pulling the star Path unit out of the briefcase, and
he's just there, just like putting all these artifacts. He's
just like we still don't know, Like I keep saying it,
like he reminds me of missus doubt fire.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
That's what was like.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
That like very like over the top and like overy's like,
oh hello, dear ye.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
And then of course, probably the most quoted line drive
that I've seen this week is the violent the rebellion
isn't hear anymore. It's flown away. It's everywhere. Now there's
a whole galaxy out there to discuss you.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah, that line was hard. That was That was a
great line.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
That's so good. Most of my lines of dialogue were
from that first episode. I'm not gonna lie like not
that the others always had bad dialogue or neamemeral dialogue,
but those are the ones that hit me the artist.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
I feel like eleven was more of an action. Yeah,
so I heard that, and then twelve was building into rugue.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yeah, twelve The funny thing about twelve was like a
lot of that was like, if the series hadn't have
been so good, the ending of twelve could have been
seen as like a non like I was like, what's
the point here? Because it really was like kind of
like a all right, here's what already, here's why everybody
ended up kind of like it almost felt like more
performative than like actually narratively important in a way. But

(50:24):
I because the episodes were so good and the characterizations
were so good that it did feel earned and felt
like I think this is cool to say, and like
I like to se where this is stuff coming? But
you're right nine to dialogue wise, I agree all throughout
there A few two more I had from the actual
the flashback mombents. He Louten a young clap loudly had

(50:46):
a great line of all you know now is how
much you hate you bank, that you hide, that you
keep it alive until you know what to do with it.
He's great, He's actually a great sis lord. Uh you
really honest, Louthy would have been a great set lord.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
And I hear what have I really liked that they
went as well.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
I love that was naboo I love they didn't actually
have to like officially say anything in the show itself
later on, Yeah, we knew what that was. We knew
it was. And that's so great that the first well,
it felt like that was the first strike of the rebellion.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Like e.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Backyard right, right, Palatines backyard. I love that. I love
the meaning of that, even if Yeah, I think that's great. Also,
I love the fact, like I said, I harkened to
it him being a Seth lord though Lutheran. The whole episode,
the whole show has been Luther and Clay talking about
like we are fighting for sunrise we're never going to see,

(51:43):
but we're fighting for people to have, for freedom, We're
fighting for people to have, Like Clay I had that line,
you know, making your own choice. That is never what
we're fighting for. But the way they go about it
is they are using, as Lutheran says, always using the
tools of the enemy in order just to strike them.
He is, he's taking away people's choices of things because
they need to do that in order. That's their bad

(52:05):
thing that they have to do. They have to do
this to make it work, unfortunately, and it's great that
she gets those lessons I love again, Luthen again doesn't
feel like he's like completely committed to the cause of
at the beginning, He's not exactly committed to the cause
of rebellion. It's more like he knows she is committed
to the cause of rebellion, but he knows that she
doesn't understand what that means. Where he understands what that means.

(52:28):
It almost felt like to me like she loved he
loved her, like he really loved her like a daughter.
And who's why I go back.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
That's one of the lines, right if yeah, am I
your daughter now? And he goes what it's convenient.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Right, right exactly? I honestly think that he will. I
honestly will go back to my argument that I don't
know if he would have been in the rebellion without her,
but because she was so definitively like set in her goal,
He's like, I don't know if I want to do
this necessarily, but I know what it's gonna take to
do this, and if you're gonna do this, I'm gonna
make sure you do this right. And it was all

(53:00):
about her, and that was that part of it. I
love that he like has her like you know, look
at me and the explosion goes off. He's like, you
got to understand this is what you're doing. And I
love the idea. Like the other line, he comes in
really quickly. I lied get used to it. Yeah, it's
so good.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, I mean he's even thoughts off like kind of
a cowwaruld Yeah yeah, what what him? And I'm guessing
he's a at this time, he's probably a separatist.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I kind of got the feeling. My own thought process
was that they were. It was like the right after
the fall. It was right. It was like the first
year of the empire. I still feel like he was
an empire imperial. There were mudtroopers. They were kind of
like the first kind of like taking over of planets
that they need kind of thing. Not necessarily separatists anymore,
or maybe separatists like fringe. I got the feelings. I

(53:48):
think the feeling was supposed to be post episode of three.
I could be wrong, but like maybe like one for
one year after the because then like Clay, I would
look she was like what eight or nine, and then
like fifteen years later for and or kind of thing
like she's like maybe a her early twenties at that
point potentially, So I don't know, it could be interesting
to say.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
By the way, like he's kind of a coward at
the stop, yes, like they're killing civilians, so it's like
he has a reason to be a coward. He just
want to go out there and do it. But you're
kind of almost like dude, like, well, like who even
this isn't the Luthen that we know?

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Right?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
And then obviously he saw he takes on Claire.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
He's a desire, he's like, he's like Tommy ridden. He
pulled the door for a gun hit. And then and
then I went started digging up effects with Claire.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
And are we saying you're going to got Luthen versus
his other his brother and in may ring some point.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Yeah, yeah, yea at some point, well not not anymore.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
But maybe we missed me took place. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I wasn't I wasn't expecting a flashback scene, I must say,
like a lot of yeah, mostly I wasn't expecting maybe
from Cassian maybe right, but not not luth And I
expect some kind of like.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
I also I appreciate the choice they made. They could
have done They could have absolutely made that like a
full episode. I could have been DeTar episode, could have
been just the flashbacks, but they conteptualized it with her
and her mission to end up killing Luth and whatever
to that kind of thing. It kind of it just
added the great piece along the way. So it was

(55:28):
a great way to choose to do that, I think,
and watching her grow and watching her having to make
those decisions. And I love the fact that the guys,
like the the security forces after they after she does
the dude, he's like, like god to be at least
a team of three doing it. Also, it couldn't have
been that there. No, it's just just her and that's us.

(55:49):
That damn good. And she has the smarts of it.
She has the she great distraction moment blowing up the
ships that I get people out of the out of
the room using the ground am my alien, which I'll
talk about a little bit. Ye's I was like, that
was all great and then like, but she also has
a part where she is unhinged herself. Clay is very

(56:10):
unhines herself. She's kind of broken, she doesn't know what
to do. She bought the tears, she kissed Luten on
the head. Wretch is a great moment too, because you know,
the whole time she kind of hates Luthen but likes
him too. She obviously has to hate him because he
was part of the empire that destroyed her family. That's
so it's like kind of like that's always there, but
like obviously they've gotten to the point point where she
does respect him and have feelings for him, love for

(56:32):
him as a father figure of sorts. But then afterwards,
like she's like freaking out. She's trying to get them going,
and when and Or visits her and she's all like
completely unhinged. Of course it would be you, and like
she's like I don't want to go to and like
I don't want to I'm gonna have him to be
in a prison like Yavin my people. I don't have people.
But I need you to get this. Luthen died for this.
You need to say the words, say the words, you know,

(56:56):
like Jetta Kyro or like you say the words and
everything else. He's so intensely doing it. And when she
gets there, she's like she has this broken down moments
like well what do I do now? And like luckily
Vell kinds of finds her. I kind of feel like
it almost felt like when you saw her like walking
down the rain afterwards, its like, is she gonna go
She's gonna off herself? What's gonna Happenna.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Joseph say that as well, and I was like, yeah,
because I felt the same way.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Same same thing. When Joseph that, he was like, yeah,
I thought exactly. But Vell intervened. I think she would have.
I think that was potentially gonna be in her mind.
But then Bell intervened, and it's like and using the
line of like I have friends everywhere, great wonderful like
way to tie that all in, Like now, it's those
are the weaponis where it's like you can trust me,

(57:42):
Like you can trust me as far as the mission goes,
as far as the rebellion goes. But the way Bell's
saying and now is like, no, you actually have friends here.
We are all your people. Now you can live here.
And that's what leads to that moment at the end
where she does get that little smile, not smile like
positive thoughts looking on the sunrise on the A on

(58:03):
Theavin four. Great moment there. Let's see a couple other line.
I still have some more lines, dialoge, I'll save what
we saviors for the ends as it goes to the
whatever I do like creditx line during Dead's dial his
interview with the Dedra if you're not well, spy, you've
missed your calling like that well, and then finally I'll

(58:28):
give the shout out to Cassian. The great sequence there
when we have and we're first making it back to
the Aven, they have that like briefing with Mon Bail
and the two centers Pomblo and you know, I forget
the guy's name or Pomelo and she sort of the
j but either way, and they're all like yeah, pretty much.
They're all like shouting down everything, and Cassian has this

(58:50):
greatly like it's insulting to hear him run down by
people who have given a fraction of his sacrificials rebellion
and so true because like it's awesome hearing that from Cassian,
who has broken tie is with Luthen. She doesn't agree
with Lutheran's methods, but at the same time, he respects
the hell out of him and he understands how much
he's given. And I love the fact that Mon was

(59:10):
looking a little weak during that because she wasn't backing
him up a little bit, but then she had her
moment where she just comes in permission to Pussia greted
really quickly. Is Prissia gretted? Like I don't care what
U I say? Permission granted? And then of course it
leads to her going into it later on, talking about
going we have to talk bail because Mon is like
a strong character. She's not very like confrontational at the moment,

(59:33):
but when she gets her digs in and I gots
this shows her true leadership. Like it's like this, like
it reminded me a lot of Rogue one, where she
doesn't like override. Like Jin brings the idea and everybody
she wants to go to Scareff and destroy the plans,
and pretty much the council votes against it, and Mom's like,
I can't override the council because she believes so much
a democracy. She's like, I can't override the council. But
as soon as Jin takes off on her own with

(59:55):
with cassium and and Mon hears about it in Roade one,
like what does she do? She guys He's like mile
moan like yes you did, Yes, you did cart business.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
I mean she even says the bet it's just like
it makes the Senate look easy, doesn't it. And it
speaks a lot to you know, the real world of
like the other side essentially sitting on their hands, I
mean and eyeing about policy and procedure, and it's just like, no,
get out there and do the work. Get out there

(01:00:25):
and do something. Lutheran was out there doing something. They
were just sitting on their hands waiting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Absolutely, this isn't This isn't the Senate anymore. You're at war.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Absolutely absolutely, And I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
It speaks to what what Sauw was talking about on
the hologram. It's just like I inconvenience you and suddenly
it's a problem. That's not me agreeing with Saw.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
I know you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
I know a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I know you don't. Like I was great in this movie.
This he has only a few amounts of bits and
pieces of but it's great seeing him being like completely unhinged.
Like so he gets that part where we see him
in Rogue one where he is completely unhinged. Now the
whole like you're trying to Mom's like, I'm trying to
help you. I'm not like, I'm not against you. We're
not sending anybody like, I don't get what you're saying,

(01:01:25):
Like we're getting people. No, what's sending it?

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
B like to you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
I'm trying to help you, agree to help you, help
me to help you. It was great, It's powerful. I
love that for sure. But yeah, yeah, so that's great.
But okay, let's go on to your moment and I'll
bump up comedic moments to go after this. We'll go
from there, So go ahead, what's your last line of dialogue?

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Speaking of Scrubs quotes, there's a line in a Scrubs
episode where Elliott is talking about how she can she
has like a sixth sense for women who are pregnant.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
And there's a line where JD says, and it gets
me to this day, like cracking up every day every
time I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Hear my mom had a uters I lived in it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
There was a line that really reminded the delivery, really
reminded me of that, and it cracked me up. Was
when K two said, oh, I was in an imperial
parade two hundred k K extroids.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
The Emperor was there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
I have to tell you, I honestly didn't lick that
thing as a comics line, I thought that was a
I thought it was a terrifying line, and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
It was just a way that Cash didn't responded. He's
just like, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry that I missed that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
H I get that. I just for I could not, Like,
I just thought that was a terrifying delivery from Alan Judick.
I thought that was a k T most dramatic moment,
Like I really felt like he's showing how human he
can be, like he was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Terrified related it to the Earth's line, but for some reason,
and they just sounded simple. The delivery sounded similar in
my head, and I was just like, that's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
I get it. I get it. But the same time,
it's for whatever reason, he just it just was a
powerful moment for me. I thought that was rat like arrowing,
like that was such an even K twos so knows
what a monster he is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Okay, I'll give you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
I'll give you another funny line then and then we
can go into comedy. Okay, Cassie, I have cleared.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
A path dying. I was howling.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yeah, pretty much every other K to us line made
me laugh, you know, like talking about the card games,
the car gaming, the car game in general, all right,
let's get into it there, laugh about fuzzball. These are
our favorite moments of the arc. And to me it
was almost all k to us. How the whole car
game in general. He's trying to detroit you like you
don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
He's nervous another probability.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Yeah, I take it my value you has been. I
didn't read the line down. I think if my value
has been, I fru in my worth whatever?

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
And uh the UK about the when he gets the
warning and it's just like, would you like to know?
Would you like to hear the language? Is anybody interested?
Nobody's interested? The man you don't like his here?

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Man, you don't like this? Yeah, if you don't want
to hear him talk any more, that is not true
at all. That's not true. Uh how many? How many
you don't know? Do you want to know how many
orders we ignored? I've counted seventeen clip eighteen.

Speaker 6 (01:04:46):
Well, the disobeying orders is so refreshing. I hear the
red dog talking, I just had my head as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Uh. Oh, it was real simple. When he's walking up
to the when he's walking up to the trooper, he's
like you with.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Us and he just goes no, so good, so good. Uh,
the entire thing was great the tire so just basically
maybe you laugh, I will throw the one non k
tos So moment. I think it's mpe where you pinted,
and it was the granny moment. It was oh yeah,

(01:05:30):
So Claid just takes this poor patients olds who obviously
has like no memory or like I don't know. She's like,
she don't do what's going on? And he's like, well,
she's along, and she's like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
They're in the other She's like what and she's like
where she leaves her?

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
I don't end up that for I mean, Clay did
she She can shoot poor Lannie. Luther can shoot poor
Lani in the beginning, I understand that, but this for
all great are gonna leave her like that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Where she the way like when they stop her as well,
and she's like talking to her like she's like yelling
at her, we'll check you in here. Then she could
probably hear you yell.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Oh so or any other comic moments you want to
you want to make.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
It this Kay It's just Kay is hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. All right, how about put
that in your holok and snowk it explore more lower,
we got anything to go. I have a couple of
different ones I want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
You guys, because I'm still kind of umming and aying
about mine. I'm not sure if I if I need
to know more about it or if I just a
little victorious.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Okay, the first one I'm gonna, I'm gonna talk about it.
I don't know if I necessarily need to know more,
but I'm kind of curious. Obviously, Cassian's sister. We got
the he dreams about at the end. We didn't. I mean,
it's such It began the show. That was the that
was like the accelerated over. That's the start of the
whole thing was Cassian looking for his sister, and then

(01:07:16):
we kind of dropped it. We get the little touch
in the end, and I kind of think I kind
of wonder if when they went from five seasons to two,
whether that was one of the things they decided to
like xcize out. But I don't know if it's gonna
be I will say as much as I this this
would have been a membery's moment and some people would
have hated this, but I did have this feeling and
this is possibly be watching so much Star Wars I'm

(01:07:36):
waiting for it to happen. I did have this feeling
like I might end up being yeah, because.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
When I looked at the young actress that plays young Claire,
I was like, mind looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Yeah, I didn't know the same thing, the same outfit,
and like like they we didn't stip planet they were
on like we just saw him. Like I was like,
is that what we're gonna have being? And I almost
like Tony Girl has come out and said it definitely
isn't and that's fine. I don't. I didn't need it
to happen, wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
I did listen to an interview he was on some
podcast that I was listening to where he did carry
on because I'm trying to find this podcast where he
did explain the reasoning.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
For it right. But in a way, the best part
is I almost wish he hadn't come out and denied it,
because I kind of think would have been a fun,
open ended thing, like it went into the theory that
like it never needed never need to say or confirm it,
Like how tragic would that have been if and Or
had saved his sister? He went out to save his sister.
He actually does save his sister and Biger to Evin

(01:08:33):
Forlorr and get her and get her to hope it
and then he dies and but he never knows it's her.
That's almost kind of like a sixperience kind of tragedy.
I think actually does fit the what the tone of
the show would be beyond the is not like some
people to cry like, oh it been like an eye
on your father moment. We don't need all those in
Star Wars, don't never everyone has not to be related.
I get that, I completely get that, but I think

(01:08:54):
this particularly the tone of the show would have worked
in a way that it could have been really kind
of cool. I don't know either. What did you find
the podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
One of these I did? It was on ring A TV.
Tony Gilroy did It's like a It's like an how
long interview with the guys on Ringer TV.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
It's the only episode I've ever watched their show. But
he said they did have plans for it, but because
of the time showings, they had to showing it down.
But he said it served as a device for Cat
to show that Cassian will never have that family life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
He you know, he lost his sister. He lost his mom.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
He never so he was never to find her.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
He was never going to find her.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
It was just kind of a plot device to show
that Cassian has this greater purpose, right that he will
never have that loving Yeah, he'll collect the he's collecting
like the force. He says, he's collecting these people along
the way. He's never going to have that set like

(01:09:59):
family life that he wants because his perhaps is greater
than that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Makes a lot of sense, honestly, And I actually like that.
And that's why when I when I wanted to bring
it up in this segments, I don't know if I
actually need more of it. I think it's I'm okay
with it, like being left as is. But it did
make me it seem the best place to talk about it.
I guess I already it goes all right, I have
a couple other ones one, so I guess, Tony, you're

(01:10:24):
in any discussion with somebody. There was a there was
a moment in time where Leo was gonna appear. Leo
was gonna appear in the center. They're gonna have a
scene between mon Motha.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
She was secretly clea.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
No, God no, that was dumb. Do you see the
people that were saying that ship did see that and
those I'm sorry, sorry to me. The literacy is dead
sometimes and I'm I'm loving it. I love a good theory.
I love a good crackpot theory. But like there's a
there's a level. There's a level, guys, and that's that's
that was beyond. Some people wrote so into it like no, no, no,
but that Leo was gonna appear like I seen in

(01:10:58):
the Senate with mon Mothba, and they couldn't quite make
it work. They actually had discussion with Castean Kennedy and
with Pavel Hodalgo about it. Actually they so it Actually
I had gotten to a point but they never got
as a casting airing. But it kind of would have been.
It would have made sense that because Leya was visiting
the Senate at that point with with Bail, and I
would love to see Mom and Lea have scenes together
because like I know, it's the old EU and me,

(01:11:20):
but I love the fact that they worked really well
together and after Jedi they are pretty much heading up
the New Republic together, so having them have a back
history together on seeing with Jenny people Riley, especially the
way she's been performing. I would love to see that
scene come into play somewhere. I don't know. I mean,
I go obviously unfortunate. I would love to have seen
Tony do it, because Tony really had a handle on it.

(01:11:40):
It would have been really cool. But again, that's part
of that member Barry's thing. I understand why they didn't
do it, especially like that would have put the whole
show out to lay at that point, would taken away
from the show itself potentially. But I do want that story,
so it'd be kind of cool to see more of
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
And uh, I have one more? Do you have one?

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
You? I've been kind of I'm going to know about
this one for for a couple of weeks. Now. I
want to know what the hell mel she did? What?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
What is?

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
I want to know more of Melchie's story, right he
just seems like there's some depth there. Yeah, we have
that we haven't got to see yet if they give
Dunk into his own show or like a comic or
a novel. But I don't know this. There's something about.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
Melchie that, especially after seeing them like playing cards and
going on a mission while they're still drunk, like he
seems like a like a character they could get in depth,
almost like in the comics what they did with Sabe.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
I think they could do with Melchie.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
You're not wrong, You're not wrong, Like he's not someone
if he never heard more about Melchie like it is
what it is. But I think he is well known
enough that Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what led
him there, what got him in prisoned, what did he
do like during what is he doing that I'd love
to see more. I mean one of my I forgot

(01:13:07):
who said it was. It was Tyler somebody I watched it,
whether I talked about it, like I sorry to not
credit somebody, but somebody mentioned to me, like they really
one of the things that they didn't like about the
time jump thing is they really wanted to see Cassian
and Melchie's uniting. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
I heard this about people want to see more of
Cassian and K two as well, which I fully agree
I want to see. I think we all want to
see more Cassian and K two. But like, yeah, it
was it would have been cool to see that, like
them like come back together on the ABIT, right, Absolutely,
it would been kind of cool. So I want to
us I would like to see more Melochie at some point.

(01:13:44):
I mean, I don't need to, He's goind have a
background character.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
But I definitely appreciate the that you'd want to see more,
and I understand that at one point absolutely you're not
again going back to the do we need this? And
actually someone else like Christian said this on a live
stoam and talking about if somebody projected, would you want
to see a full on h like a Luthen and
Clay the Younger Years kind of series or something like that,

(01:14:09):
and Kristen said, no, not necessarily for the same reason
as you like Tony Gilroy is not going to do it,
and let him go off and do his own thing.
And but he goes, he goes. At the same time,
though I wasn't excited about and Or, and yet here
it goes. I guess it depends on what they give me.
But so that potential is obviously the right people. Yeah,
I'm seeing a club. I wouldn't mind seeing a young Clay,
a young Luthen and Clay story and continue. And hell

(01:14:31):
maybe that could be an animated show at some point too,
if they don't want to go live action rod as well,
it could be something we can see down the line
eventually or tying in. I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised.
I wonder how much I feel like Tony Gilroy is
is a premiere but so detached a little bit from
the stories that people don't It's not like it's so good.
I guess it is, like, do people wanted to use

(01:14:52):
Tony Gilroy characters? They're not going to use a Tony Goroy.
Characters like bail Mont obviously are characters even cast two
degrees are characters that you can use use throughout the
entire Star Wars saga if you have places you can
pull and put him in because they're Star Wars characters,
but ones that were created by Gilroy. It's kind of like,
feel like it almost too too, Like do you want

(01:15:13):
to let Tony Tony keep Tony characters? I don't know.
I don't know what them necessarily. How I feel about that?
Like now it's over. Do we get to see Luten
appear like in the Mall Show? Because Luten packing away
a pair of the Mall Show? He could, you know
what I mean? Like we don't. We don't really know
necessarily he's in the time, he's in the timeline now
and now his story. I think for a while it
wouldn't happen because or like we've got to let Tony
tell his story, like obviously we don't want to insert something.

(01:15:34):
That's why damask a fear. They mentioned they had to
talk to Tony about using Paren because Paren was a
Tony Gilroy creation, and can we use him? Do we wanna?
Because they're worried about like we have to let Tony
Gilroy tell his story, but like not fill any blanks
because there's no blanks yet. We want Tony this after
this SoC God damn right, I am, and I'll tell

(01:15:57):
you about it in a minute. So that's actually my
next thing. So what I was saying, but going back
to this is like, now the story is over, and
Tony's building all the pieces of information he's generally gonna
fill in. Could we see like luth and a peer
in other media? And I think we could. I think
it'd kind of fun to say, like I love to
see Luthan and a pier in the next book. Who

(01:16:17):
next booking the Mask Reign of the Empire trilogy or
whatever as it is, could stop there, but I'll see
Jack wantson too, as well, let's go. I'll go to
my next thing, and is it is parent? And here's
why I'm gonna say two things. I'm gonna stick the
first thing I'll stick to. I'll stick to what was
shown on screen, which is fine. What we get at

(01:16:42):
the end is is parent. A richer Chris Coward who
seems pretty depressed about losing my Mathma of losing his wife.
Yeah he's he's shocking up with the ello Scolden's Yeah
he is. So is he the greatest character? No? Is

(01:17:04):
he does. He have pieces tendencies, absolutely, but there's more
to that man. There's more depth to that man. Interesting enough,
one piece of deleted stuff that didn't happen is there
was there was actually a sequence that Davos s Cauldron
was in charge of one of the networks and that
he was going to be responsible queping mon Month's speech
on the air partially that was that was like something

(01:17:26):
that was everything else. And that's maybe why Davil's Chuldren
is not around. Why Baron and and the wife for
together now, because Dabo might not be around because of
what he potentially did.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
So if he went and so if he did go
and do that, you go and sleep with the guy
that helped your wife's wife.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
At this point, if she's they're both gone, they both
have lost their lost her spouses. They're just looking for comfort.
They don't know anything else at this point, look for comfort.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Okay, now you put Kim in mon Mouth, missus right,
she's not dead. You can reach out to her if you,
If like Monk could reach out to parent, if she
really needed some, then too, you wouldn't. You wouldn't go
to Yavin with her. You wouldn't go to Yavin with kid.
You'd stay in Boston, New York.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
And to quote Tony Bissel, which is the big thing
I'm bringing up a scene that isn't is head cannon
because I didn't film it. I'd get it ted cannon.
It does if the if the stuff and if padme
stuff an episode three counts of the Formation of the Republic,
that counts is completely counts in my head what Tony
Gilroy intended for the Parent character. So to me, it's

(01:18:35):
canon enough lead. It confirms that there's is gonna be
an interesting moment Tony Gilroy performed it. Parent is saying
I knew what you were up to the whole This
whole time. They talk to me. Every week, it interrogate me.
I never said a word. You didn't trust me. You
could have trusted me. And the heartbreaks she would feel
in that moment of this guy she had pushed out,

(01:18:55):
she had pushed out could have been reliable, double heartbreak
of her walking away from her life. I think she's
dropping his dead bee husband who never supported her, and
the double dagger stab that he was supporting her the
entire time. That's what I want to say.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
As far as it did happen, didn't happen, it didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
If Tony Gilroy said had happened, it happened. All I
care about you can say then as far as you're concerned,
that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
He said he wanted it to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
If if if that happened on screen, what would you upside?

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Then I would have said, okay, and you are going.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
To be okay with Ptern a little more olkare with Purn. No,
I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
I wouldn't have been okay with him, but I would
have been like, Okay, cool, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
That's what I'm saying. I'm going with it. That's Mike.
I can and I don't you get. I don't care.
I'm defending Pern in a day because as far as
I'm concerned, unless it's shown otherwise, unless it shown otherwise,
then that's what happened. So Yes, and I would like
to see more. I would love to see that moment
in a Tales of and or se special.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
All I'm saying is if I had been my wife,
I would have been on the first shoulder it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Yes, to protect his daughter. Man, who's gonna protect Leader?

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
She's with Scoldon's kid?

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Did you trust Scaldon to protect her?

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
You trust parent to protect her?

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Parent? It's not about what we I trust? Does parent
trust Scaldon to protect his daughter?

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Parent wouldn't be able to protect his door.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
How do you know think he could? Your only thing
to think he could? You gotta target every week and
didn't give her up. Biden can't Ma Motha, can't raise
his daughter anymore, can't be there for the daughter anymore. Parent,
She can't. She's gonna take Leader to Yavin four, where
the death start is gonna come lean down on her. Yeah,

(01:20:41):
why not? That's that's great, that's great parenting. Let's put
her in a war zone. Let's take the daughter and
put her a war zone. Yea death starts about to blow.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
How long with the Jedi doing that for seems to
work out?

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
No, that's the idea that I probably shouldn't have been at.
The are bringing warriors in, they were trained to be
in there leaders to break analogy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Why you're describing Parent, it sounds like he could have been.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
A Jedi, exact thing. Don't don't turn that much. I
said the entire time, he's not another one. I said, no,
I have said the entire time he's not a hero.
But I honestly think, and it's all jokes aside of
what you're saying, I honestly think that that would have
added to this because the show is all about these
characters who are the various degrees of rebellion against a

(01:21:30):
fascist state. And I think it's important to showcase that
we have heroes like Cash and and or like Luthen
who do that as a dirty work. We have heroes
like man Mapfa who make grand statements and the face Thenian.
But there are characters also like Parent, they're about to be.
There are characters like Parent who fight the Empire in

(01:21:52):
their own, small, small, small way because they can't they
they're not They're not there everyonellion and I think that's
an important piece of what they show. The bell hop
was heroic, small piece, he's forgotten Lonnie great heroism gets
shot by Lutheran forgotten. But there's other pieces of fat there,
people like I'm trying to think like the guy like,

(01:22:14):
there's things like people like who look the other way
to help the rebellion out, like small pieces like that.
I'm not saying he's a hero. I'm not saying he's
a good guy. But there's a lot more depth what
the show did. There's a lot more depth to his character.
And I would love to have seen that, not because
it was a pet theory of mine, but because I
want it just confirmed my pet theory. This is that's

(01:22:35):
exactly what I remember when I predict My theory was
that he was gonna look the other way. He was
gonna like point the bad guys in the wrong way.
This is something like what I predicted, like the idea
that he was he could have been there and that
he was being interrogated and didn't give her up or
whatever it was. So I don't know, at the end
of the day's day drinking he's sad. He the empire,
he's against it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
But it's not the cry day drinking. We're gilly of it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
So exactly, don't cry por parent for for coping and the.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Only way if there's poor, he is poor.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
He is just he's finding comfort in the arms of
the woman who is there. At this point, it is what.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
It is, is what it is. Move on, all right,
move on? Watch next.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Yes, I love it, Thank you for it, thanks for
suggesting it. That's over. Our next thing, parent watch, I
love her. I'm a parent guy. Uh he won two
other people parent defender Defender, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Tony Gilroy and the guy that plays parent wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Wrong, it's not guilty. Uh, all right, let's move on.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Then.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
You see a lot of actions are for action beats
of the arcs. They much more action oriented. These have
going around. I'm not the first one out there for you,
and I think both degree probably I'm not a bet.
It's our favorite one. It's k to sew in the
safe house always. It gets his own hallways seeing basically
and the horror moment. I love the moment. But he

(01:24:11):
grabs hurt and uss like you see the dead bigle
more like it's blocking the horrible, horrible, like he throws
the guy in the imferior like there you see that
the PLV like Cassie and mel she and and you
see the guard like into the hallway through the door. There,

(01:24:33):
great one, a great action beat right there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Fun when when he just boots that one god into
the lift.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
It's all through. And when he said before he knocks
the guy out, are you with it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
And the guy that was in the land of class
show like got his head but into the console and
you see like the blood just overheating the console and
the shot. I was like, yes, fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
So good, so good that we could say this, I mean,
not necessarily complete action, but he did get the blaster
shot of killing the killing of Lannie.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Killing r I P Lannie. What a great what the
original plan was supposed to be the elevator.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
Yeah, him and luth And walking into the elevator and
then the elevator opening up, luth And walking out and
then it closing on Lane's boot and Tony Gilroy was like, no,
now he's gonna be At first.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
I thought it was like did he get sniped? Right?
Was there? Like someone because a lot of the shots
of that park were like big, wide open overhead shots.

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
I was like, a sniper could very easily just like
sit in like one of those buildings as us and
then just yep. But then I thought about it, and
by the way that Luthan was walking along the steps,
I was like, oh, no, Luthan just killing him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Yeah, what a moment. No, one's a wonderful moment though.
I gotta say it was powerful, it was earned, it
was honest. But you feel bad for you gotta feel
bad kids, right, it doesn't matter, doesn't matter again. It
goes back to taking away the choices of the people
we're working for you like it is why mom didn't
trust him and why you almost shouldn't be trusted. Lonnie

(01:26:33):
was a patsy the whole time, and all he did
was do All he did was try to write there's
a guy in the Imperial who tried to do right.
And then at the end of the day he get shot,
which is obviously called back to the robe, which was
talking about next week when the cassion becomes Luthen basically
just takes out if just like Luthen, would you know
he's on his side doing information like it's sad. It's
a sad moment, and you know, Lonnie is an underrepresented

(01:26:55):
hero of their hero of the rebellion, and no one
else knows about it. No one knows about except for
Clay now pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
And that is why no your name, that's right, no
one will know your name.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
So wow, good stuff, good stuff for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Any other big action beauce we had, like obviously a
few elections between and and and the flashbacks killing of
the children and the killing of the kids. They're the
shooting of the kids.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Yeah, I really wanna, I wanna yeah, high like that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
That was a bit like.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
That, especially with like just having mcgoman massacre just felt
like a bit right, we get it Toarney, we get it,
Like women and children died. It wasn't just the men
but the women and children.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Yeah, we get it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Well. I love the aspect of they're still finding people.
They they keep they keep finding people to blame for
the death of one person like that. Lively like that
was like, oh man, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Up. Uh yeah, just the it was kind of an
action comedy moment.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
But when the U wing is flying back into Yahvin
and kts like there was a shoot us down like
an enemy drawer and Catsy just goes shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
K and the two X wings just appear beside them,
and K just goes like it's it's supposed to be
quite a tense moment.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Right, K is just like, hello, Hello, it was pretty funny.
You're a good good call there for sure. Uh all right,
I think that's enough of the action. Actually had Kranick's
finger as an action moment, because that's all. That's how
I fee assault was pretty much under action. That's a brother,

(01:28:44):
that's a salt brother. Uh well, all right, so let's
clean up with anything else you want to clean up
before we get to forced vision and our sex. I
will say one thing we haven't talked about yet that
I really want to mention. I love I have loved
part of Gas since we first met.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Him as a care I feel we should say this part.
This was a.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
His character was so necessary to the story. I mentioned
mustache twirling villains, and he is not a mustache twirling
villain at all. He is very just a competent does
his job well. I don't even know how much one
in the room from the room, and you don't even
you don't even really ever fully know is he committed

(01:29:26):
to the empire or he committed to just doing his job. Well,
I think you know what I mean. It's kind of
thing like that moment where he listens to Nemes, which
is awesome that he's hearing it, hearing voices like oh god.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
When he heard when the imperial walked in and he
was listening to that, I was like, oh, is it
podcast that?

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
So Dedra out did podcast framing Dedra because obviously he
didn't like it towards the.

Speaker 5 (01:29:56):
End is.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
That would have been interesting. But I'm almost glad they
didn't do it because I kind.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Of think I didn't do it because I think his
ending was very.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
It would undercut him the entire time. There's like the idea,
I like the idea that he's on the imperial side,
but not necessarily a much asterulling villain. Him having being
a rebel makes a little like it had been cool,
but like I think overall it does his character better
to stay imperial. But him hearing that noted that him
being the keys like man, it's it's not fear, but

(01:30:28):
like ah, like it just doesn't stop spreading. It keeps spreading,
like it's we can't we can't stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
How he said that it was the rebellion is like
a disease.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
M h was brilliant early moment and great delivery, and
then of course he ends up killing himself, and then
that seemed like again I've seen some like media literacy
about this, Like a lot of people were saying, oh,
he came to this realization that he hated the Empire
and he was doing the wrong thing and he was
on the wrong side, and that's why I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Like, no, my dude, he pulled a Hitler.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
He pulled the head exactly. You didn't want to face
Palpatine or Vader or like that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
He's like the Russian troops were closing in around him
and he didn't want he didn't want any part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
I am done. Yeah, it's all over, and I'm gonna
I'm gonna tall, I'm gonna go out on my own terms.
It was like the integrity of the and he's the
kind of character you're happy to that like the integrity
of the character. He's not happy, you know, you're never happy,
but you know what I mean, as far as that goes,
like it makes sense for the character wise, and I
absolutely loved for the first time the only time in
the entire series. I actually really liked the lookret. I

(01:31:30):
think it's his name, Regretta, right, Yeagrett just walks out.
He knows what's gonna happen. He walks out, knowing the
part of guys that he's like, can I collect my thoughts? Yes, sir,
he walks out, and I love that he's hear the
thing you hear the blaster and that's subtle, like the
hands like.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Yeah, it's just like, give it a minute, let the
wolves collect what's left of his thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Right. So powerful for sure, and a great ending two
to a great characters.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
So that's what I was when that did happen. I
was like, oh, are we about to get she? Are
we getting? And I'm glad we didn't. He glad we didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
I'm guys is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Ending there was It's perfect. It was bitch, but it
was literally the end. It was Adam Hitler's end. M hm.
It was closing him around him. He was done. He
had nowhere left to go. Mm hmm, gone to his mouth.
He didn't escape to Argentina.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
There you go. Yeah, exactly, so good, so good? Anything else?
Say you any other things we've missed?

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
We talked about I love love, love, love love the
forced heeler moment in the montage. Yes, oh absolutely, as
he walked into the to the ewing and he just
looks at her.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Just a nod. He's accepted his place, accepted his piece.

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
Where doesn't know what his destiny is, but in fact,
like just that brief interaction like set him on the path.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
I want to highlight again. This is something I mentioned
the last art because of this, the actual scene between them.
Initially it was like, I love, love love how they
chose to incorporate the force because this is obviously not
a lightsaber show for a show, it's just not a
mystical show per se. But they do add that missicism
back end to let you know it's still a part
of their It's just not the focus. This is more
about the heroes of the Rebellion than aren't the force

(01:33:30):
users like the Stormtroopers are scary to them because they aren't.
They don't have force powers, they don't have lightsabers. That's
why I score are so powerful for them. But it
also says that everybody does have connection to the forest.
It flows through us all.

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
And I encourage you everyone to go watch Scotty Jerrard's
panel from Celebration is now on YouTube. I suggest everyone
go watch it because it explains how if you are
more aware of the living force, how much like it
becomes stronger in you. Because you are aware of it,
you have accepted it. Right at that point, Cassie, and

(01:34:08):
he's on his way. He hasn't accepted it quite yet.
He's more of an agnostic at this point. He was
eight years before.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Now he's an agnostic. When he gets the scareff then
it's like, okay, I saw your face. Now I'm unbeliever.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Yeah, Belie monkey is playing over and all right, I
love it. You know what we haven't talked about, and
I'm we have about becks at the end, son of
or I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Get that into the forced vision. So you want to
talk about now you are.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
We can talk about we do it, but I didn't.
We do it both places save the future stuff earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
I'm just going to give you audio some context. Peoty
messaged me DM me the other day say what if
Bix is pregnant?

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
And I was like, there's no way Tony would do that,
Like that's like too tragic. There is no limit this
man will go through to break my heart. Yeah, Adam,
a child that would never know its father.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
I have to say it. I didn't. I had a
thought after thy kind of came to me. I was like,
what is happening and you're like, yeah, no, I get no,
don't happen. And I gotta say.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
You see what Adam Lavik said about it, saying he
said that during the scene where Bix is talking to
the Force Healer and the Force Healer grabs her hand, yes,
the camera is pointed at Bix's stomach, yes, yes. And
when he said that, I was like, fuck, peot, he's
on or something.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
Yeah, it happened. The funny thing is like if you
have to if you listen to Tony, Tony after added
like thought he hadn't wanted to end that way because
not because I'm tragedy. He thought it actually inspire more
hope in the story, and I understand where's coming from.
It did break your heart more, but it does inspire
some bit of hope. You get to see like fix
and is his son or daughter? We don't. Everybody's saying son,

(01:36:12):
but I don't know if we actually conffirmed that, you know,
a child is looking.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
At they had a little devil luck, which I thought
was cool.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Yeah, yeah, that was very cool. I do like the idea,
like if you somebody I was on social media which
I can tell who. It was a shot of like
A and Gin like embracing themselves as like the sun
over the sun, and it looked the more similar to
like Bix and the sun being there like like the
just like the last shots.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Someone put the last shot of and Or to the
lot like sync it up with the last shot of
RGUE one right. It just pissed.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
It made me piste off with Cassian because I was
just like Bell told you to reach out to fix
and don't take too long, and it was.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Like maybe also maybe you think a little bit like broadcasting.
You're a fucking dead dad dude.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Here here's a question. I have. The two questions I have.
All right, so did so Vell? We think Vell knew
well new and Bell was telling him for that reason,
we didn't want to tell him, so Cassie did not know.
I think that's correct that Cassian did not know, because
that's okay. I'll make sure because that's the one drawback
of the year time jump that we don't necessarily know

(01:37:22):
if Dix is he's Bell saying doctor her, but like.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
Bell said, reconnect with her, which makes me think they
haven't spoken since she left, and Cassie said she won't
be safe if she's with me, So he's like staying
It's like the Paparca with Mary Jank like you staying completely.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
Away, right, Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. It's so
it's it's it's a powerful moment though, and I do
think even though it does break your heart a little
bit more, it is also a little bit more hopeful
to a degree too. I gotta say it's love. I
love it. I love it myself. Yeah, so anything else,

(01:38:02):
cause we talked about the luten things, talk about Luthen, Dedra,
talked about Claire, the safe house, Clay Cassion had their moments.
They didn't talk much about that, but I do like
their moments together.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
The one last comedy moment as well that I just
remembered the radio the radio shack technician Imperial.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Yes, and just the smile, like the smirk like they
like the giddiness of like really good here, Oh I got.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
That was funny.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
It wasn't the funniest part, okay, of when she's looking
when she looks across at the other guy and he's like.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Like, shut up, shut up, shut up, Like not now,
I love it?

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
That was good? All right, let me see I there's
anything else I want to throw in there. I can
see more Draven, which is cool because oh, I know
something I want to talk about the last.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
But he's he's necessary, he's necessary, but goddamn dick.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
I love the idea that I love the bail sequence
at the end to the bail and Cassian you know
somebody you don't like it there. I did love that
for a couple of reasons, because men like first of all,
like PJ mentioned this to me, he's like Bail came
off with like a dick at the earlier parts when

(01:39:25):
he's like denying Luthen. But at the same time, I
wrote back, like, you gotta look at Bale's point of view,
and from his point of view, he everything he's saying
makes sense, like the idea of the questioning Luton's sanity,
questioning Luten's like is this real information? Luthan doesn't want
to work with us, like skeptical. He's skeptical, and he's
understandably skeptical, but so but he does come off a

(01:39:48):
little bit, obviously, because our audience's point of view is
that we know Luther's right and we know what we
need and that cash is are you know? So he's
like almost he slides a little bit down that antagonist's
tail a little bit, but he has his moment at
the end and the showcase exactly who he is, and
I love the sad but truthful moment. And he's like
kind of like you're giving you're getting your orders, Like
Bail came himself. He didn't have to do it. Bail

(01:40:08):
came himself, didn't have to You could just send Traven
could have just like sent Mo and Mom could have
done it. Bail comes himself and he's like, you're doing
this and he's like, well, why I don't get it,
And he's like, well, I want to. I'm gonna fight
the empire. I'm gonna die fighting the empire. I want
to get on swinging, which is very sad when it
comes to it, because he really doesn't end up swinging
too much unfortunately, which is very sad. I almost God

(01:40:30):
all around blowing up is gonna have even more like
drama for me now, But I love Luthen. I'll cast
him response you know you and Lutheran would have gone
a lot more than you think you would have. And
then the use of the line but you haven't heard
in the entire freaking series, And how hard did it?

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
It not quite as well done, but I liken it
to Ryan Coogler holding back on the rocky theme in Creed.
It's like the same type of thing where like all
of a sudden, when you use it, it just became
that much more powerful. It's much like he's in the
Star Wars theme at the end in a way too.
It's kind of like, oh, here you are. There it
is and it makes sense that's Bail doing it because

(01:41:12):
books there it is, there it is, and I we
know Bail is with the Jedi. He's a very important
like he has in his history of the Jedi in
the Forest.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
He even uses the time justice for the Jedi.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
The Jedi absolutely and in the Mask of Fare, which
was a great book I I finu you should read
if you haven't. Uh yeah, great, great pit there. So
him saying at the end, it's like, was that boom
moment for me? Yeah? Also, we did get to see
b two emo for the last one last look that
was hafore you my my prediction came wrong. I was

(01:41:46):
never happier for a predicative mind to come along.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
Uncle b Two. He's that he's safe. He's all right,
absolutely living a peaceful life.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Oh you know what, there's another one humorous play.

Speaker 8 (01:42:00):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
The security technician at the hospital, they decided to go
through the footage of where Clay was like, you know,
my my friend, my cousin has a app taser of
the isope with a new note speed up and shut
up or yes, and by the way, great you strugg there.
I don't know if you noticed or not to know
the name of the hospital, Lena So Hospital is obviously

(01:42:25):
Lina Sell, the former Chancellor of the Public during the
Higher Public era. So good job Tony Gilroy's friends. You
know that one of the Tony Gilroy thing. Obviously he
has no idea who Lidas is the story group thing
for sure. But I love that little talk a little
like like you know, connectivity. By the way, I'm in
temptation of the force now, by the way, that's why

(01:42:46):
I'm reading now. So I'm excited about that. We'll talk
about that next week too. I think that'll be something
we'll add onto the story, he'll he'll update my readings.
But yeah, I think that's it, though, I think overall,
everything else, anything else you want to mention that you missed.
Let's get to the force vision, all right, s first
vision of the many, you got one for for us.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
I've seen a lot of people saying that either Poe
is Cassian's son or Ryan Gosling's character in Staff Fire
is going to be Cassian's son.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
I don't want to see Cassian's child in any storytelling
ever ever, because it will diminish the sacrifice that Cassian made.
Cassian made the sacrifice so his child, his wife, and
his child never had to worry about war ever again.

(01:43:45):
And I think if he becomes this, if he or
she becomes this resistance fighter.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Yes it would be cool.

Speaker 4 (01:43:52):
Yes, it would be a nice way to honor Cassian
by following in his footsteps, But it would also mean
that what Cassian died for was for nothing. So I
just hope I'm gonna go out and say my force
vision is fix and Cassie's child live a life of peace.

(01:44:17):
They have they they have the happily ever after that
Cassian never got to have.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
Artistically, I completely agree with you and I completely understand
that point of view, and I honestly I don't disagree
with that. I think Star Wars is to remember Barry.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
That's what I'm worried about. I'm hoping that Tony at
least had the presence of mind at the end of it,
say with those two.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
Because in Declassified he said to he said to Adria,
oh yeah, sorry, wait to the end for you. So
I'm thinking that that he was saying, that is your
big moment. Yeah, like, because Bix was fairly sidelined.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
Especially the final art. For sure. Absolutely A lot.

Speaker 4 (01:45:09):
Of people are saying how they think it's because Bicks
has cast in his child.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
I disagree.

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
I think it's because the big moment is her and
Cassie's child finally get to live in peace and have
that happy way up after that Cassium wanted to have, right,
I think that's her big moment.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
I don't disagree with you. I think that, I I think.
But I do think Star Wars member buries are strong
for some people. I will say that because they are
Gilroy's characters, maybe they'll be respectful. I don't think it's
not gonna be Ryan Gosling. I don't think that that's
it's problem just because that's we already have, Like there's

(01:45:54):
can recounting stuff, but that's like a big piece of canon,
the recon At this point, I think, like Kate Twiss
media him the speech changing words Ahsoka booked to to
series being like, you know, streamlined a little bit, but
you're gonna completely erase the Kess share Bay and cast
Stammer and all that stuff they have going on without

(01:46:15):
that's not gonna happen. There's that happens. I wouldn't be
surprised if, like, ten years down the road, that's something
we do get something like that. His character appears somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
But I.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
I honestly agree with you. I think we should. I
think that's where we should end that. I think that's
the perfect way to end that story.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
And I don't I don't want to be a resistance fire.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
I want that character to be like they show up
on the whek farm and I don't know, he's just
that they're just a wheat farm.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Yes, I mean again, show me how it's done before
I completely judge it. I could see a world of
like maybe Bicks dies of old age and then we
see and Noor's child decide to go out into the
universe and do something and get get caught up into
something maybe, But like I agree, I don't want to

(01:47:12):
see them full on doing anything too much like that.
I just agree, I agree to a agree that we
shouldn't do any further with them.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
Yeah, it just it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
I would be I would actually be very disappointed if
they It wouldn't be a case of I don't want
to see this would just be a case of, well,
what a cat scientific himself for that?

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
Here's not quite here's the question for you, because it's
part of my forts vision in a way, and I
feel like there's some similarities to this, but I don't
know if I feel that strongly about it. Claia Mmm,
getting more from Claia? Is she done now? I mean
she's earned her No, I mean like the character I'm

(01:47:51):
saying though, like she's Yeah, this.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Is Elizabeth's first acting. Could give them more?

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
Right, Yeah, I think we could. I think having her
come back doesn't ruin her ending as much like I
do think there's some poetic poet justice that the last
thing we see if her is finally getting her sun rise.
Should agree, I would definitely prefer.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
No, Maybe someone some absolute crack pots said that she's Afro.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
No not oh God, no people no no, not everybody
is somebody else like that doesn't doesn't happens. That's more
likely than that, for I think, honestly, but I could write,
but I could see Claya come back potentially, I would

(01:48:39):
like I'd see more from her, for sure. My other
forest visions I do want to see more of. I
really desperately, desperately, really want to see and I know
it would be without Tony Gilroy. So there's a little
hesitation for it as far as this goes, because but
Mad Mathma, I would like to see more while we

(01:49:00):
have Denneville Riley. I mean, I think we'll see her
probably we already saw her as Oka social be there,
and there's a difference there. Again, I'm not going to
hark on like like the writing obviously style Dave Filoni
is much different and Tony gill Roy is much different,
and my mother really got her best due with Tony Gilroy.
But I do think we get to see more from
Genevieve in more story time where she is the focus.

(01:49:21):
Right in as Soka, She's not the focus at all.
She'll be like a side piece in a way, so
I don't like, I would love to see him more.
I really want to see more between like six and Bloodlines,
the Formation to Republic, how that that politics went, not
her and Lea together, I don't know. I would love
to see more from Mom Mom, and I think we should.
I think we I think the character has gotten enough

(01:49:43):
like love now like that people like, oh it's not
just oh my mom, have that that you know? The
old lady at the end the episode, sexually the head
of the rebellion we don't see and we got to
see her a little bit cloned Wars, and now I
think we have respect on her name. I could see,
like you'll want to go like we have Denneville Riley
right there. We should use her and get her involved

(01:50:03):
in more post episode six stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Do you know who I want to see more of
than we can end on this that we have completely
forgotten to talk about within this arc. Give me more
Ratus baby, Ah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:19):
Well it definitely bed be pretty cooel obviously, but I
get that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
Give me more Ratus, big pop big. When Radus came on.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
Screen, I did see I was loving. I loved her
and that I like the name got FORMERIC. I guess
Maeric probably couldn't get them to come back for whatever reason.
I feel like be a scheduling thing. Who knows. I'm
gonna throw it back out there. I know you don't
want to hear it. But if we get more my
Moth story, we could actually find out her and pair
and getting together again. Anyway, let's go with our first
out of eleven scale of one for eleven certainly up

(01:50:52):
to eleven here on Funaldy Projects. Let's rate these last
three episodes, Maddie, what did you rank three episodes?

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
Eleven, eleven, en point five?

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
Oh okay, interesting? It was like the opposite of why
did the last arc? I went with eleven ten eleven?
Actually ten ten point five. They're all pretty perfect, close
to perfect. I love a good as much as I
railed against member Barry's a little bit, I still love
a good memor Bary. So the ending of the last episode, yeah,
that gave me everything I wanted to be honestly, gave

(01:51:22):
me everything, especially because like we obviously there was a
lot of like comparing it to like the last arc,
it's a lot whatever, But like this gave me what
I needed to move forward. So I did love that
moments for sure, so yeah, and I love I love
the Clay luth and stuff so much at the eleven
that hit me for that giving me eleven of that.
The second part was more just so action, right, and

(01:51:44):
I did think we could have had more from Mon.
That's a little bit of me being spoiled because I
love Mon's like Mon is my breakout character of this
entire two seasons. I loved watching her story go. We'd
love to see more of that, but I say what
we did kind of. Her big hurrah was the ninth episode,
and I get that, but I can see more with

(01:52:04):
a nice but overall still it's in your perfection Season two?
Uh to me? Season two Blue season one out of
the little water overall, honestly, and I love season one
like like I love one a lot, and too just
Leaven that much better. I thought, Yeah, I know, I
don't don't anyone else I could say, So why don't
we end up there? I'll if you have anything last Manninglands,

(01:52:25):
You're good?

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
Nope, all right, lady, take as song Maddie.

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
Where can the folks find you?

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
You can find me on all social media at Maxi Mourner.
You can find my band Mona on all streaming platforms.
You can find me here every week for that.

Speaker 4 (01:52:37):
You find me here every week on pod projects for
Holy Snokes, and every month for class Action.

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
H Ken indeed, and you can find me at Pology News.
You on Blue Sky, That's where I hang out generally.
I've been going back to Twitter a little more because
a lot of the news people are there and that's
where I go. I I love there's some people there
that I just don't get to interact with on Blue Sky,
but I mostly on Blue Sky. Honestly, if you find
me blue Sky, be happier. Find me all over the
podcast obviously a lot of shows on this channel. My

(01:53:03):
name is on the ten, as Mattie says, every week
where now we do Hoytnokes. Next week we're going to
cover Rogue one, the rewatch with the recontext Relation of
the Van or Reason two, And you can also find
me every other week with review. Me and Lego finishing
up the two thousand and nine remake of v Now
before moving on thank God. Not liking the end, I'm
not like I think actually the remake. You can really

(01:53:25):
honest with you, it's been a long slug. We were completed,
so we got to go through it. We're moved to
the big finish audio stuff, which actually is really good,
so I can't wait to actually review that my Queen podcast.
Every every week we are going through. We're finally finishing
up the Flash Cordon soundtracks soon, I believe next week.
I've done so many of them, according so many of them,
I can't remember where we are release wise. I think
I think we're finishing up the Flash Cord and one

(01:53:46):
next week which you'll get into Robert Tayler's for solo
of and Fun in Space, and of course you can
see me to meet you to middle aged Geks on film.
I must wanted the old title named PJ going to
the Superman franchise. We had to do Superman. We had
to postpone last weekause pj Ill. He is feeling better.
We're going to do two episodes upcoming. We're do Final
Destination Bloodlines is a special bonus, and then we will

(01:54:06):
do Superman Returns as we initially intended to do. And
if you want to join us on Patreon dot com
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can also see too middleaged Keeks on film doing the
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going Iron Man three next. They will come onto the
main channel eventually, but probably not un a little somewhere

(01:54:28):
around December where we're gonna start dropping those on the
main channel and let's say anything else, Yeah, class, Actually
we should talk about that. We opened up with Mission
Impossible talk. We're gonna end with Mission impossible talk. Addition impossible.
The Battle Royal. I think it's gonna be June thirtieth.
Think thats what we talked about. We haven't really solidified
on our dates yet. We are putting all eight films
into the steel Cage Battle Royale kind of thing. Actually

(01:54:50):
can have steel gauge Battle Royal, so some kind of
hell of a sell Battle Royal maybe. I don't know
either way, it's gonna be a it's gonna be a
Dolly Brook getting all these films up because the two
many different games. It is a royal around which film
will call triumphant. Uh, Maddy will stump for a Mission
Impossible too. I know that I will always from.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
Is going to be the Santina Marella if you did that, I.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
Will kick you both. I am commissioner of the league.
I will just restart and put him back in. Uh
your teddy, you you got a tag team with the Undertaker.
Ben Jarvy will always tell him for a vision possible
fall out, I believe. So that's what we're gonna go
with him.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
We may have to join forces to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:55:37):
I think we might have to, except especially in one
particular category.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Yeah. Actually woman alliance, as.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
My wife just texted me because he's hearing me record this.
It's going to be a slobber knocker as a grey
Jim Russ says, good term, Kim. All right, guys, you
can buy this next time. You got to join the
patren if you can. If you can't, like, subscribe comment
all that stuff. Help us fight the Eagle Altar Rhythm
and we will see you next time on Holy Snokes.
Until next time, as always, May the Force be with

(01:56:05):
you always.

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
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