Andor Season 2 Episodes 4-6 Breakdown & Review

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
PLD Project presents Holy Snokes, the Star Wars podcast featuring
PLD and Mattie Gunner.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
You May the Force be with you always.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Greetings and salutations, my friends.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Welcome to Holy Snows, a Star Wars podcast and our
breakdown of and Or season two episodes four through six,
the second trilogy of four that we are getting with
me as always, my friend, my co host, my late
dam Matty Gutter. How are you doing, my friend?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
You know what? What was that last life daymate? You
kind of like brushed through. I was like, well, what
did you just call me? What did you just call me?

Speaker 3 (01:09):
I called you?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I'm all right? How are you?

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Not bad?

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Not bad? Life is busy, and you know, Tony Gilroy said,
there's gonna be tough covering this for podcasts, and a
little bit is because it's it's a lot of stuff
in and a short amount of time.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
But as we were.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Making things work, I had some great Star Wars adventure.
Last weekend. I did get to go see Revenge of
the Sith in the theaters again for the first time,
and I was twenty years I don't think I've seen
it since the first run in the theaters, and man,
it's still I can confirm it's still a banger, absolutely
still a banger. Like I wasn't shocked for that. But
what was interesting to me is, holy crap, sold out theater.

(01:45):
I haven't seen a soldout theater and saying where.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
We were at the BFI Imax, it was absolutely ramped.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
I just I don't I mean I even go not
on like peak time, you know, I was still like surprise.
I just was like, holy, I mean, I don't know
if to say, don't know if it's the state of
the world. I don't know if it's like the state
of cinema. I don't know what it says about anything.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Or register this is just that damn good.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
But uh, it's amazing how this has definitely aged well
according to the fandom for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I mean Star Wars is dead, right right dead franchise
absolutely it died when.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, absolutely, or are gonna say Lucas, you know Lucas
is no longer are that this is not Disney Star Wars.
So that's what they're saying. That's that's the force of
twists are gonna put on it. There's always a twist
twisted to the end to kote doctor Who, But Twist
are not forty two million dollars worldwide for a twenty
year old movie, And if it wasn't for like the
absolute like phenomenon that his Sinners and like how that

(02:44):
is going in firston?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
I haven't seen Sinners yet, but literally everyone I know
is saying, go see that bucking maybe.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Oh absolutely, you're you would definitely love it. I mean
I loved it, but like not only that it's a phenomenon,
not even just how good it is, but like how
it had like like was it something like a six
percent drop between like the first that's like unheard of
your films get like forty to fifty percent drop, like
they're between the version of Second Weekend six percent drop?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Isn't it like Ryan Coogler's first non franchise film too,
Like it's his first well because.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
He's got Crazy Frue Fail Stations before that. Okay, his
debut is Free Fail Station, but then he kind of
did do a run of of franchise to create Free
and so I mean that's definitely this is like.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
His second his second original original PI.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Absolutely yeah, as far as like yeah, as far as
like feature films go, absolutely and now is going to
go reboot the X Files, which I find for wait, what,
he's rebooting the X files.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, that's fascinating to me.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I never actually watched the X Files, so I might
watch the rebig that be.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Interesting idea to try that without knowing what's going on.
I'm kind of curious about that. I mean, I know,
like it's fine. Coogler is a definitely a phenomenal filmmaker
who deserves all all of his laurels. People are starting
to talking about him in the you know, the that
kind of rarefied era of of like Nolan or something
like that, like I'll tour like that, and I'm not

(04:09):
sure he's quite there he had myself personally, but duffe,
he's up there with Jordan Peel and with like you
know people of that ilk that you hear that name.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
We're like, this is somebody who knows what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Even if I wasn't, Like I'm not the hugest fan
of the Black Panther movies, like I think there already
absolutely loves them, and I know it has an absolute
impact on on the world as a whole. So I
can't deny that just didn't hit as well for me.
But I tell you create a hit for me, centers
hit for me. These are phenomenal films, and he's definitely
phenomenal talent.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
But well, it's like it's like Nolan, right, it's a
similar run to no. Noland had like Memento and like
a few of his like other ones. Then he got
Batman and then it was like holy shit, and now
he's doing like massive period pieces like Oppenheimer and.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yep, absolutely absolutely, but a back to Star Wars. It's
like that's the only thing, honestly, I kept out of
the top spot. Twenty year old movie basically being would
have been the king of the box office did beat
out The Account two domestically by a little bit.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
I think it was like twenty I'm.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Going to change that this weekend. I'm about to change
that this weekend.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
You're gonna see that many times. Yeah, we'll see how
next week. Next week go is. I did see the
account In two. Obviously, we're covering that on our class
action podcast soon. Accountders count two. Love the Account two.
I enjoy quite a bit, but a totally different style
of movie. So it's going to be interesting comparing them
for sure. Of course, we're gearing up for the end

(05:37):
of the initial Impossible franchise, or as it were, the
stated and I mean you never know.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean you never know. This is the Final Reckoning,
so it ain't a one.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, you can say that all you want, but give
to give them five years and he'll be itching to
jump out something.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
A plane.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, you want to jump out of a plane and
want to jump like deep into it. I mean, from
the looks of Final Reckoning, he's about to go like
deep deep diving in the Arctic Circle. Fucking maniac.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
As always, he is always gearing over that too. We
have a special announcement we're gonna have. I'm gonna announce
it yet for class action involved Michi oh do.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
I'm just gonna tease it now. I'm not gonna announce it.
I want to tease it. It might be the best
episode that wherever we gonna do.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
I'm pretty proud of this pitch I had so well,
we'll see how it works out.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
We think we're have to tweak a little bit a
few things, but it's rare that the three of us
have a unanimous fuck yes, yeah, like straight off the
bat that we're like, yes.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
That's a class action.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
If you don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
It's our other one of other podcasts to do in
the channel. It's a monthly thing now, me and Maddie Ritreacter.
Are you taking up movies, films, directors, actors putting up
against each other in a war on one battle, usually
with custom made categories and determine which one wins.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
We had a lot of fun debates and it's had
some great moments of the podcast where Maddie is maybe
very angry. You never know, Jarvy mactual made me angry
and commission I possible when we did at one point
because that was.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Oh I call. I can't wait to revisit that.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Or we might have to revisit that at some point
for sure.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
But anyway, that's that's either here nor there. You heard
talk about Star Wars. That's what we do here a
weekly on our show. Here, we do do our news,
and we do have our meat of the show today,
which is obviously and or season two episodes four to
six for going to break those down. We're gonna start
with that and then at the end, I do have
a little bit of a time carnch today just being
all out there in the open and transparent. So again,

(07:33):
as much news as I can after that, but the
important thing is getting and Or in. So why don't
we just go ahead start right away?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (07:40):
And or two four through six? What a banger again,
I'm gonna say that right off the top, Tony Gilroy.
That between Girl Boy knows what he's doing, written by
Bo Willhelmana, who, of course we know is also co
writing the James Mangold Don of the Jedi script. So
we know that's in good hands because Jane Mangold is
a good writer and Bo Willemana has now proven twice
through an and Or that he is a good writer,

(08:01):
and actually he knows Star Wars as well, for sure.
Very excited about that. But let's get into this week's episodes,
our arc as it were. Usually we cover these things
like one at a time, and we go through a
segment by segment, and that's how we're gonna do it.
But because of the nature of the release schedule and
the nature of how these are are going, we're just

(08:21):
gonna basically have our segments, but they're gonna cover all
three episodes at once. It might mean we have a
little bit more to say per segment because that's we
definitely want to don't want to miss out on anything.
That's how we're gonna do it, and we'll of course
go through the end, wrap up anything else we've missed,
and give our ratings and our force vision thoughts about
the future. First off, let's get the first one out

(08:42):
of the way. We usually do Honda watch the Spirit
the Patron Saint of Holy Snokes. This is where we
determined did Hondo a Naka finally make his return to
grace our screens in Star Wars in some way? We
have definitely taken a hiatus on that for and or
because we wanted to celebrate another another club show that
we really appreciate him. It's technically glove show or not.

(09:03):
He had enough of a role. I don't know if
he counted.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
He's a glove He's yeah, he's a glove show.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Close enough, he's he's a if Hondo's the patron saying
this guy is like one of the apostles uh Linus
Mosque Randward season one, we want to see him in
season two.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
We are I don't know about you.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
At this point, I'm not feeling hopeful about it, but
I am and I can say for certain that he
did not make an appearance in these three episodes, unless
you count a Brian Ward.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Photo shot meme Brian Wood. I haven't seen this, and
I'm usually pretty up today on Brian Wood's memes because
he's the best always be maker out there. I thought
we were going to get him. At one point there
was a scene. There's the scene where like Cyril is
walking to his apartment. It's the scene where he sees
that the string has been coming yes, and there's a

(09:53):
driver in the background that's like the shadow looks like
he's wearing a Molana security outfit. Uh. I thought, like,
for a split second, I thought, holy shit, if they
sent mosque.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
I would try to will it to I wish I
will to exist, is what I thought. I was like
when we kind of had this, we'll talk about it
as we go on. Oh, Cyril Ark was kind of
masterfully done, but we didn't the audience didn't quite know
what was going on with it. And it was a
nice little draw in, like we didn't know where I was,
where he was going.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
It was.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
It was laid out differently.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
It was like it could have been a different couple
of different avenues he was going down and like because
part of that is who were trusting? Who was Cereal
trusting At this point, I thought, in my back of
my head, who could serial really trust? Maybe he brought
in the Wan and Oylance Mosca to be underneath him
at the standard of bureaus On Cormyn. But a last
not to this week. We'll see about next week. We'll

(10:46):
see about next week. I don't know with what's coming up,
I don't know if I want him in the episode.
That means he'd be in definite danger. I think for sure.
I mean he survived, he survived Rix Road in the
end of band Ard season one. I don't want to
put him into a lot of again, he could. He's
probably still his there, probably still that same spot like
sitting underneath that, like that little like hot Hobble who

(11:07):
was there, And he's probably drinking all his his anger
away or his fears away. But let's get into it
the real. Our first real segment, as it is show
Character of the Week is where we talk about our
favorite characters of the week, what they did, and we
highlight certain members of the of the cast. And uh, again,
we don't do anything more than one because there's a

(11:27):
three episode of Arc Maddy, I'll let you lead us off.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
My character of the week only appeared in one episode.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Oh okay, interesting, but he.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Struck so much fear in my heart of an Oh fuck,
oh shit, oh fuck, oh shit, awesome cronic.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Ah, okay, fair enough, fair enough, okay.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Like the suspense, The suspense was there throughout the throughout
the three episodes. But when you see him at the
party and he walks in the room and you know
what they're trying to do, You're like, oh no, no,
Like that's the worst fun to be in the room
right now.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Not a bad choice.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Absolutely, And Ben Mendosh like, I know we say it
pretty much every week at this point, but oh shit.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
We are lucky to have him in this, in his role,
in his cast, and he is having the time of
his life. I think obviously when he did Rogue one
and he enjoyed the role Chronic back then, I think
him getting a chance to reprise his role in such
a way, I think he's just taking full advantage of
it and like living in the park and really having
fun with it. He's not dying at the end of

(12:36):
this one, so we know that much for sure.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Obviously, I will say, I do wish we got a
little bit more and we probably we might do still
a little bit more between him and Luthen. Mm.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, that was a nice I'm nice to get them together.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
But just seeing the two of them in the same room,
Stan Skoy's gone and Ben mendosin, I was like, oh,
this is gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, we did get something which I'm gonna put a
pin I'll talk about in a little bit as a
part of my another segment, but we'll get there.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Back on that.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Good choice, good choice for character. I'll I have a
couple of characters I want to highlight only one out
of the way. I'm not gonna say anything about it
for now. I'll just in no surprise, I'm in love
with Jennevie O'Reilly. I've told Kim she is, uh, she'sa
on notice that Jennevie Overiley. If she ever has made
you know, available bottom off the is a reinavailable, then

(13:25):
I might have Recca Fergerson's always on Standpa as well.
Then I'm gonna have to become some kind of multi faceted,
open relationship.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Kind of person, because then you're getting a moment. Maybe
I will, maybe I will that's what's gonna have to happen.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
But Jennevier o'reiley is a powerhouse and I don't talk
much about her because I have some things I want
to say later on, but does her job well. I
also want to highlight tee other people real quickly before
I get into my final character, my actual choice. I
want to highlight Cassion because I have I have to say, like,
despite being say his show, despite being his show, I

(14:02):
feel like he's still kind of like overlooked a little
bit in terms of because I mean he has there's
so many power, powerful performances, There's so many things, and
sometimes his story got a little bogged down, like last
week story got bogged down a little bit on the
other four with the the knucklehead knucklehead revolution there. But
I want to highlight how like absolutely rock solid he

(14:24):
has been throughout the entire of the series, and especially
even like more this season than last season, I'd say,
but specifically this this arc has got even better and
he has some moments that were just top notch with Dicks,
with Luthen, with the crew, what a defining moment with
the Gorman Front crew, Like he's it's amazing how far

(14:46):
he's come. I know we've had now a two year
jump since we saw him in season one, but he
has now become that soldier, that rebel leader that you
know Luthen wants him to be really honestly, you more
so losing getting more than he bargained for.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
I think at this point I want.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
To throw it out there also gonna I have to
throw out one of my pet faves, even though, like
only because I don't know if we're gonna see him
as much moving forward. But man, he choots in Senior
a little bit this week. That's part of Gas loved
his work. Yeah, the perfect Imperial and he's like he's
a perfect Imperial performance because he's not like he's not

(15:25):
the evil perfore, he's not like he's not the Crenic,
the Vader, the Tarkians, the ones who are like, I'm
going to be the most evil person in the room
and I'm gonna be a badass. He's just so incredibly
competent and like eloquent, and the way he just say
is his dialogue.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
When he was like odd, how often those characteristics are lying?
Oh but I was just like, you are just like
the prick. You what such a petty prick and I
love it.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I'll even I'll even spoil so I have a bunch
of lines of dialogue on my favorite lines of dialogue,
I love you and usiasm.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
From no One. And now it's no longer is it
like chill out.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Like I'm so honored to do this.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's it's a potty.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
So good, so good, but the one I want to
highlight for her this week, and I hope she doesn't
get overlook, I don't make you.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
I think I'm seeing most people giving her credit were
credits to That's Claia.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Clia really came to party this week, really came to play.
Uh literally came to the party. And she had her
moments of like in depth like showing where she was
trying to almost single handedly support Luthen, who is starting
to fall apart a little bit, a little bit here
and there, and she's trying to She's the one actually
that's keeping this whole thing together, I feel like. And

(16:52):
she has her little action Bowman suspense moment and then
she has her fun at the end. I just think
that she is putting on a hell of heerformance and
I'll even like sneak in a little spoiler for like,
that's another one of those things I'd like to explore
more about. I whish. I hope we can get like
a backstory on her, more like a comic or book.
I know we're not gonna get a TV show about Clay,
it's not gonna happen, but like we can get something
more about her backstory. I think they'd be fascinating to

(17:15):
dive deeper into. I'd love to see you, honestly see
a Luthen and Claya like novel like pre and or
season one, or like or like where they Were or
sixty six times and like beyond that kind of thing.
That's a fascinating idea to look into.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
That was a bit of a criticism about tiny Gilroy
that was, like he doesn't know how to write women.
Why did he prove that wrong this this season?

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Because I fully agree.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
That it's the women that are holding this rebellion together
mon Mathma, Claia, bigs Val, look at it's the men
that are falling apart. Pard cast into a degree is
thought to get paranoid and full lost Sore has always

(18:03):
been a fucking psycho, but get more into that, like
it it's the men that are really fooling apart in
the Rebellion and this criticism that Tony Gilroy doesn't know
how to write strong women. It's just like, what the
fuck are you talking?

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, are you smoking?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Absolutely totally agree with you on that wonderful Uh yeah.
The women have been the performers just this whole this
season and like this whole, I mean this whole like
Andrew season one had similar thing. I mean, Marvel is
a phenomenally written character. These are these are all definitely
proving Tony Gilroy he knows what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
It.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Boy, he definitely knows what he's doing for sure. So
uh yeah, those are our characters of the week. Our
next second we come into is h I spec which
is our favorite lines of dialogue? I already spoiled one,
so I wanted to let you go ahead with the
your one of your first favorite lines of dialogue this week.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I mean, calibrate your enthusiasm.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Was big, wasn't. Oh sorry that way?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
I love how I have friends everywhere mhm. Like it's
such a throwaway line, but then you hear Vell repeat it,
It's like, oh, that's a code phrase that's like a like, hey,
I'm part of the rebellion, so like they have some

(19:21):
of their ship together. And I will say, tell your friend,
I'm not impressed. Did you know that, like Luthan hearing that,
he would have been like whatever, like he would have
he would have he would have taken that. I did enjoy. Uh,

(19:42):
Luthan saying like Gorman in play and like what will
happen when if it burns, it'll burn bright. If it
goes up in flames, it'll burn bright. It's just like
you think about the current way the world is right now.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Mhm.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
If some of the stuff that's happening to like migrants
and you know other you know, not less fortunate people,
but like if some of the ship that was happening
to them happened to people empowering the elite class, they
would be fucking up.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Roar mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
So a world like Gorman where you have like these
like these big fashion eyicon.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Like it makes sense, absolutely absolutely does.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
I got a couple in her.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
It was funny thing.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I'm gonna I'm gonna save one or two of them
because they actually fit other categories as well. But I
do have a couple of quick ones out throw in there.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
In the in the same vein as part of Guys, which,
by the way, I also had how often these attributes
the line I had that in my list too, so
did go to for tat on that one, but uh
detra that that same conversation with it, I got how
sure if part of Guys asked her like, how sure
are we about this situation and she's like skeptically enthused,

(21:02):
that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
I didn't like that one.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I love how much they use all these big words
that they could truly choose easier ways of say things,
but they don't use these flowery way to say things.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
It always makes me smile, and I want to use
that now too.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Somewhere.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
I am starting to notice the cracks in Densu as well,
because there was that moment where Cyril said about this
being the best day of his life, and she was
just like, I'm glad to see you're happy. Mm hmmm,
just like I don't know if that's like, if she's that.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
To heart, I can't tell. I can't tell if she's
I think I think she.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Does care for him. I think that there is a
genuine as it is. I think there is a genuine relationship.
I think they were they would both like kill each
other to get to the position they wanted to be in.
But I do think that they would. I do think
they do care for each other.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
I will say it's interesting to note that they are.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I think that
it could go either way. There's definitely a side of
her that they're definitely, I mean, he definitely loves her,
her question, and he love is a bad word. Definitely,
he's got those whatever that is, whatever that is. He
is definitely a puppy dog for her. She I can't
tell completely if she's how much she's using or not

(22:21):
allowed to find out. I'm sure we will find out aventually.
I mean she was with let's face it, the turn
out of the lights. We can only there's only one
thing that would have happened. Well, obviously, but I don't
but that is that because she cares? Or is that
because that's part of the weaponry she's using.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
She doesn't really strike me as the fan fatal kind
of sort.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
I think she would use anything she needs to use
to get ahead. I think she.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
If she's like once she's like, this is my you're
my tool. I'm gonna I know what you want from me.
I'm gonna do this.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
I could be wrong too, but I totally could see
that being in her wheelhouse, especially like maybe not like
all the time, but with specifically this this character. She
knows the relationship and she knows what she's gonna get
out of it.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
And then how how good would it be if it
was the opposite, if they played the old switch route,
and that would be great, that kind of like he
sells her out and I could see that happening.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
I could see that happening.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
That's something that's going to go in mote the force
vision aspect to talking about a little bit. But that's
something that is definitely in play. But to go back
to the rest of the line dialogue before we move on,
I will say a couple of ones I did want
to throw in there. Uh, crad I'm sorry, Cradick Luthor.
We should have killed credit while we were in there.

(23:31):
What a great release after such a tragedy that we
get we're gonna get to talking about later on, after
the tragedy of Cinta and Vell and everything else. And
it is like the explosive like thing going on all
of a sudden they have like this big, this release
of tension with Claya and Uh and Luthan walking out
laughing about how they got the job done. They did

(23:51):
what they need to do. But you know, we should
kill Cranic.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
We're in there.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I just remember this one is like my my favorite
one of all three, and it's a mon mathmall to
Okay says how pleasant to see you free of the
witness stand.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
That's in mine too, That's in mine too. I was
actually gonna say it from later on. That's okay.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I like.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
What I love that.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
He's such are It just makes you think that he's
like he's like the cuddle from the from a few
good men. It's like always always on trial, always understand.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Oh, you know what I'm gonna say it here. I
want to use this one hearing expand on it. So
I noticed that I sent you some screenshots or something
and you never responded, And I know why you didn't
respond because you don't like it.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
And I'm sorry. It's just it's happening. It is happening.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
And I'm gonna use a line of dialogue from the
man himself, Karin the Uh it's tough squeezing a whole
year of incecerity to three nights. It is showcasing growth
from him.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
It is.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Though, it is he loved this stuff for now he's
feeling he's seeing the stuff, loves it now, but he's
seeing the cracks. He's seeing the cracks of it. He
is not as before he'd been thrilled at eighty parties
at a night he would love the ever loving shit
of it. Now he's kind of like, and to quote
man Mathma's head, his husband parents seemed a bit more

(25:28):
rounded out this season. I felt some sympathy for his
point of view this time, don't you get right?

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Totally.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
It piaved me the way that people in the chat
rooms just hated them and talked about how horrible he was.
And I thought, that's not what I envisioned. And I
told actor Alistairrickenzie, who plays the parent, that we would
do something. It's too complicated. Parent is clearly no saint
and it's certainly no rebel. I think I actually used
those exact words last week before I read this article.
But he's a very legitimate point of view, and when
I think the show benefits from having why shouldn't somebody

(25:54):
represent hedonism? Why shouldn't somebody represent pleasure? Why shouldn't represent
living in the moment? What the fuck around? Everyone else's
running around doing all this other stuff. So you didn't
do the wedding speech for him? We really worked hard
on that. We really wanted to be special. I'm very
happy he's in there.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
And uh, I.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Guess I've read I've read Tony's quote about this. I
get it, but woo who your big problem is? Oh,
it's the dinners, it's all.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
The it's how you get how cool.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
People are in the galaxy.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
You know, you need these people to be on your side.
You need to because if if starving people are fighting,
nothing happens, nothing changes.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
It just what you meant.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
You mentioned it specifically on Gorman, all of sudden things
changed a little bit, because why it's the richer people
getting into the apple and people who weren't giving a
fuck before.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Those are the ones that.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
You got to turn on your side.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Guess what.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Fuck, But he's showing he's not entirely on board as much.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Oh he's not entirely how much he has to.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Fly, Yes, that's better than having him all on board
with the Imperials. He's either one hundred percent in or
also he's like, oh, I'm seeing there's actually some ship
going on. I'm gonna start supporting mode a little bit more,
and I'm gonna I'm just saying again, not a rebel.
He's never gonna be rebel to be safe. But that's
the kind of thing you need to see happened in
order for rebellion to work. You need to hit those
people up there to make them think twice about things,

(27:15):
to be a little bit more open. I think this
is a wonderful characteristic of the show, and I think
parent is someone that is important.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
On a show with a parent apologist. You make me sick.
Move on, I love it, Move it on.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
I can't wait. And actually we'll bring it up and
get a little later on, but I don't know. All right,
let's move on to our next segment. Put that in
your whole Accron and Snow can explore more lore Madical.
What do you want to explore more of this time through?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I want to know? And again it's I want they
used the first massacre, the one from Legends. The talk
and massacre really go more into that. I want to
I want to see that the talking killing a bunch

(28:09):
of people to land in the square from legends, right,
them pulling that out shows me they're like, oh, Tony
is listening to this story group and the problem like
go like go more into that.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
That was brilliant. That was absolutely brilliant.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Here we are.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
We all knew the master's coming, we all know.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Or is that the one that they're gonna use? No, No,
this is something happening in this seaon next week. Next
week's hard because well we know that for sure, because
we know already, because we know it's coming because in Rebels,
Mana used the masker as the reason to get out,
and they happened eighteen years ago. That's not the reason
why she's leaving the Senate. So definitely a more current
masker that she's using to leave the Senate and start

(28:57):
to rebellion.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Oh if she leave, she leaves the Senate after eighteen
years of something happening, it would be kind of like
be kind of like a I mean, Tony Gilright did
say we'd see the characters in a different light.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I'm sorry, Tony is a much better screenwriter than that.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Maybe that's the ruse, Maybe that's the we're like the
after eighteen years, you finally did something.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
You don't buy those you don't buy that, dude, I
kind of wanted to happen. You were a devil's outcad.
Sometimes sometimes you frustrate me that way.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I like this thing. I kind of wanted to happen
because it would show that it was like, Okay, you
spent eighteen years arming and ayeing about this rebellion and
you finally got off your arse and did something about it.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
That it wouldn't make sense, but it wouldn't make sense
though in terms of like she's already talking about the
Gordon people in the Senate at this point, saying also,
like if she would have had her like they say,
she all of a sudden snapped about an eighteen year
incident after she'd been spending the last couple of years
saying well, well, we're trying to fight for the Gordon people.
Like now, it's like I wouldn't be mad, I'm mad.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
I would be mad.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
I would be mad, I'll be honest, one hundred present
mad because it would just be pastport running as far
as I could served. I mean, no offense, but that's
my own I would not.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
You're looking forward to watching the Goldman people get slower.
You are no better than the people in the b
FI imax that cheered when Anakin's lights. They very ignited
in front of a small child.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Hey, no better than you cheering on parent. If parent
faith they got killed.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Parents are bratt basted.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
The Gormans are are the same. He's a he's a god.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Are they innocent people?

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Are they?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Ye, affluent members of society, the alut members of society,
just like parents.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
The subject to an imperial invasion of Block.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
If paren lived on Gorman, he would be the same,
he would be the Gormans. He just have to live
on Coruissant. Words best friends with sly More. That's because
if slide war was on course, if they were on Corustant,
they would be you know, because it's the same type.
It's the same type of I.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Don't think the French foreign Legion this on Gorman would
play play nicely with me.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
I don't know about that. I don't know about that.
We're gonna get rot on a repair. That's the funniest
that I have to say about that. No, I I
think it's actually fascinating though, going back to it now.
I think it's a way because we know the Gorod
Master's coming, We know that it's happening this season. They
actually have said it the season, they've actually said it
out well, that this is happening and that it's But

(31:22):
we also knew that the it had happened in Legends,
and we knew that in Legends it was Tarkan. So
to make that something that already happened, what a great
way to say, Oh, we are honoring this Legends piece
of storytelling. We're just kind of moving a little bit
to the side and having our own. So we don't
necessarily know what's going to happen. That makes it because
like we already knew, okay, so in like if you

(31:42):
read Legends at all, or you knew about Legends, we
knew that Tarkin landed his ship on some some protesters.
So therefore we're looking forward to Tarking landing some ships
on protesters, or like I had said, maybe they'll give
it to credit because we're kind of like, you know,
sugar coating. They're not sugarcoating, but the kind of shifting
things around a little bit timeline wise, whatever makes sense.
Credits in the show. So that's what I thought we're
gonna have it. But I always under the assumption I

(32:03):
made an ass out of you and me that we
were gonna see something similar. Kredit was gonna land a
ship on somebody. That's gonna happen. Now we've said that
that already happened eighteen years ago. So we have no
idea what this corn masacre is now. We just know
that it leads to something big, and that's something big
it's gonna happen. So now often that's like an exciting
piece of like in a in a prequel, we know

(32:23):
some things that are going to happen, Like we obviously
know cast standers making me out of it, We obviously
know KTUs I was gonna make it out of it.
We obvious you know like man Matha Baylor, a Ghana
and Uh and Uh I.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Think are big.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
At this point, I had no idea who's making out
of this?

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Well, you know who you know, cast standers making make
you know, monmuth Uh and Uh Baylor a Gann are
everyone who's been and like, so yeah, there you go.
Absolutely everybody else is open game.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Everyone else.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
At this point, I'm just like, who the fuck else
is gonna go. So in mind the person who I
thought was going to go one, the one that went.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Okay, okay, we'll talk about that soon, I guess.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
But yeah, but that's what I'm saying, like, we don't
and somehow we already know some of mistakes there. To
have something like this where we have no idea how
it goes down, it's gonna make for a better storytelling
for us, as far as antipodates anticipatory storytelling for us.
So I love the idea.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
I love the idea, So I would like.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
To know more about the original one as well. I
mean I don't think what ever, well, I don't ever
wheel is a strong thing because I feel like it's
one of those things that like, well I was already
told once. Now now it's put on its side and
you could explore it more maybe. I mean, hell, we
did get like eight hundred different angles of order sixty six,
so we could get an actual, full on shot of
the target massacre. But I got a feeling like after

(33:51):
this massacre, like that's gonna make small potatoes. And I
mean hell, actually, Tony Giurroy said something like that too.
There's a quote I can't remember I was reading a
bunch I d a bunch Tony Gurry articles this week,
and I didn't quote all of them for the news
because I just I kind of a grant out of
time and could kind of curate all those news bets.
But he actually there was a quote about how that
was that was like a minor incident compared to like

(34:11):
what was coming pretty much. So it's like, oh, okay,
so I might have to like not worry about that
one anymore. But I do like the idea. I think
we should go back and have a lot of it
could be a lot of cool things to see. You see,
if someone else Wills was involved that we don't know
about potentially, But all right, what else happened for me
to explore more lore Sinta, what happened between seasons with
Centa and Wiz your pitch theory potentially true? Did Tay

(34:35):
cause the accident is Tay out there somewhere still potentially
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Somehow Tay returned.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I mean, I I don't think it's gonna happen, but
I remember you pitched that last week that like you know,
we didn't see a body, and I'm like, I poo
pooed it. But I'm like, well, something happened, she got
hurt and she had her cover, So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I think I think he's part he's probably dead, but
like probably he like saw what was going to happen,
and like maybe like try to to wrestle the controls away,
well maybe sid to just crash the speed, crash the
car and go up or good.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
But I wouldn't be interesting to know because obviously it
changed her completely from like a beginning of the season.
I was like, Oh, she's going to join the partisans
by the end, because that's like how she's going, And
now she's not.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Definitely now she's not.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
But at this point when we see her, she like
was a changed woman and like was far more into
into vel and that relationship rather than being all in
on like the rebellion or nothing kind of thing. So
I like to see what happened in her And maybe
that's ripe for a storytelling. I think that's right for
a novel, not a novel, And well it could be
a novel, but like a I would be surprised, Like

(35:41):
it's kind of funny, like some of these things we
talk about, like art good enough for like entire novels.
But I would be so open for like a novelization
of the Missing Years where we follow all the characters
between arcs, so we're gonna see all these things that like, like,
I don't want it now for the show because I
kind of like how the show is depicting itself and

(36:01):
how it's done folding to us. But then after it's
all done, going through and kind of like clone wars
in it and get us that in between stuff that
kind of will lay out even for their depth and
get us more about that story. I think that'd be
kind of cool. What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Would you like to see that like that, like it
in between trilogy of novels or so?

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Uh No, I think I think I'm there's there's only
so much that I think you can pack into a novel.
I think maybe like a comic. Okay, maybe I would.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
I would agree with I would agree with that as
far as that goes.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
But my only idea why I would be able to
pitch it as a novel is that it is every character,
like we get fix and casts and to get the whole. Basically,
this is what all the characters were doing and different basically,
it's like it's almost like getting four more arcs or
three more arcs of.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
And like the other the other three seasons of this
Week were supposed to.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yet exactly that kind of thing, and like a novelization
form that could.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
We're kind of getting it with with the books at
the minute, like mask of here and all that stuff.
I know that that is set before mask of periods before.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, and figure out where the other ones take place.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
We know when they're taking place. The next ones, I.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Know it take later on the timeline. I don't know
how far it's supposed to be. I'm assuming the third
one is going to be somewhere in this vicinity of
this show. The show just jumps five years and everything else.
I'm gonna assume it's like during that at some point,
but again assuming I know that.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
So also I want to know more about the ship.
What's the dude's name? The the like the art direct
the guy and the main guy on the council for
the Gorman front. Oh, he's an inglorious Bostards. He plays

(37:48):
the he plays the like the one of the one of.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
The SS Harol Rylands played by Is it how I
think it's half the island. Yeah, that's kind of he's
the leader of the of them, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
I want to I want to know more about him. Yeah,
he seems like a like an interesting cat.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Oh oh, I was looking at Wikipedia real quick and
I was like, he's mentioned in Narkena five and no,
the Gorman front was mentioned in Arana five. That's why
I was like, oh with that, Uh, I don't have
the actor play unfortunately in here the picture of him,
but doesn't have his name on Wikipedia.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Oh well, he's in Glorious Bosses. Anything. You keep gutting,
I'll look it. I'll look him up.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Okay, Yeah, I've just used right on the tip of
my tongue. I'm like, I guess I know this guy's
name and I can't. It's annoying the hell on.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Me lost general standing.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Richard Samuel, Richard Samuel.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Okay, I want to know. I want to know more
about more about him, and can we get Christoph in
this short please?

Speaker 3 (38:53):
That'd be awesome. That'll see know.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
I'm like, go back to me to row and then
the hovel there, like he's just in there. Can I
have some blue milk? He's so good, so good and
I'm gonna bring it up again, and you're gonna hate
me for it, But I want to know. I kind
of curious because I know we already know Tony Gilroy
said obviously, and I threw that to you, But I

(39:17):
am curious to see what did change because obviously parent
and Manmatha are far better off now than they were.
She really didn't like they really were working with each
other a lot last you got during the first season,
and a little bit it was a little less during
the wedding arc, and this even though like it's it

(39:38):
feels like he is more a little more supportive and
she's a little less antagonistic towards him. So I'm kind
of curious. I would like to see what happened, what
made paren soften besides the fact that Tony Groy, I
want to see him soften in the shell, Like is
there something that went down? Did he actually see something
that kind of like did he actually weaken more than

(39:58):
we thought? No, he didn't be the rebel. No, he's
not going to go protest for anything else, but do
see our thoughts are different. He become that kind of
passive supporter from at least from maybe it's about his kids.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
I'd like to see more.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I'm tired of party and a lot it happens, dude, celebrate.
By the end of celebration, I was cooked, and I
am like the resident party guy of ninety nine percent
of groups I find myself in. By the end of celebration,
I was cooked. I couldn't do no more. I don't

(40:35):
parents probably, I hate to compare myself to parent the parents.
Parents saw the list of all the dinners and parties
he went through, and he thought, fucking hell, I'm gonna
be feeling this.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
I just saw you. Mad it was I'll call you
Maddy parent from now on, I will kill you. I
actually believe that, so I won't.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
I'll be scared. I'm going to see you in a
couple of years, so I don't want to like that.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
I hold on, I know you do.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
I do?

Speaker 3 (41:08):
I know you do? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Those those those are my big three to kind of
see what happened between those. My exploring more, Laura, there
a lot of them. There's even more. I probably could
get into you. I mean, the Gordon Front. Was definitely
interested to see how that developed. Is that developed after
the tark And massacres, that would spurred on the Tark
and like the good the Gordon in front, it's interesting
to see. I also, you know, I.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Didn't mention I think about two. I kind of want
to know.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
We don't need to. And this is where sometimes when
you four more, Lauri always announce thiss, but we always
talk about what we want to see more of. Sometimes
it's better not to see it. Sometimes not seeing it
actually is more effective. But I can't be curious about it.
The whole thing that happened between Dix and Cassian and
the soldier in between, that kind of thing, What was
that all about?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Where?

Speaker 3 (41:52):
What what kind of mission was?

Speaker 1 (41:53):
That it might be better to leave it, But I
can't say I'm not intrigued and curious to know more.
If there was like a common look or something that
I would I definitely check out to check it out
and see what's going on with that. So all right,
let's move on to our next subject, that seeing a
lot of action for action beats, and I'm gonna go
first to this one if you don't mind. And my
action beat is a non generic action It is a

(42:16):
non typical action beat, and somebody you might say, this
is not an action beat but to me, it was
the best action we've gotten all season Mathma versus Kronic.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I would say that's verbal action.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
That was verbal action to a t I mean, I'm
gonna say it quite frankly. This the episode is arcd
up in the episode six, the third episode of the
arc was my favorite by far as the spoilerer. We're
gonna rad later on, but that episode, the whole episode
was just a masterclass of tension, and putting Mama up
against Chronic in that way was like the highlight of it.

(42:52):
You have a Luthen there, you have this situation with Claya,
there anything else, but I can't help but watch her
and Kronick just verbally dual, dueling politically over I think
it's just basically was like a political debate the skies
as a conversation over art, and started with that line.
As I mentioned earlier, that line started out right with
what a pleasure seeing you out of the witness stand

(43:13):
and they kind of kept.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Going back and forth.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
I love watching like Luthen playing his role paren trying
to get along everything, laughing at critics things, the conversation
mom Mapla doesn't laugh. What I can finally see her
starting to like because she's been the whole time trying
to like hi, hide it like trying to like play along,
trying to like hide and play in sight not stir
the pot too much to what she's doing. We saw

(43:37):
that earlier in this arc. We got to see her
first talking to some of the senators, including the Gorman Senator,
and failing to get the votes that she's trying to.
She's trying to get the actor peal the pp r
D and she can't get it, but she's trying. She's
like she's not being too angry about it and as
maybe she needs to be. And then she gets there

(43:58):
in this episode when credits starts talking to out about stuff,
but like you know, are we I wish I had
Wrope didn't write down every dialogue line, but every every
word of dialogue is actually pretty much it would have
been on my favorite dialogue list, Like they are resting criminals,
are making them that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
But that was like that that that one was very topical.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Right right yep, and like the idea like and he's
coming back with.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Oh, so rebeler terrast is that what we're talking about here?
You'll rebel your terrorists.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, yeah, you'll, yeah, you'll rebel My terrorist is.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Kind of there, and it just kind of they kept
like upping each other as anti and Kronick was loving it,
but Mom was doing anything. She's basically putting herself out
there in a scary kind of way in this empire,
because that's the kind of thing you talk too much
about that that's how you get sliced down. And I'll
throw it in there again. You're sick of it. I'm sorry,

(44:49):
I'm gonna sit out there. I love the fact that
there's a couple of times are you watching the parent
like walks with her, and even parent kind of goes
You're just like a little watcher you're doing.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
It's like, I.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Don't think that's what I started, true. I mean, it's
about both of them. I think he cares about her.
I think he absolutely cares about her. I'm not saying
he doesn't care about her more maybe that could be true.
But one that has to close it up to these people,
not mon Mathma. She does have to though, if she
wants to get there. That's that's been her m O
the entire time, so that she's had to you know what,

(45:22):
I'm saying like she's been trying to close the up
with them to try to get what she needs, and
because of she opened rebellions, she's definitely not getting what
she needs.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Mhm.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
But I like saying parent kind of haha, you're you're
kind of growing along there. I love watching the whole time.
That was my favorite. Now if you're easily, if you're
a bit of action the entire entire arc, what about.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
You such as he's such a kiss. So I have
two bits. The first one was the I Love Me
a Dirty Dozen style military planning scene. Ah okay, the
whole like where Vell and Center like, only me and
Bell will have blasters, no one else. You are not

(46:02):
good at this. This is why we have been boying
because you guys suck at this. You have to respect
the chain of command. If anyone has anything, you know,
it's the thing from kill Bill. If anyone else has
anything to say, now is the fucking time, right? I
mean Bell didn't say those words.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
But much enough.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
And I love I love the I Love Me a
good but I love planning scene. Also the end when
doctor Gorsto like goes out to get his I'm guessing
like corresconding Chinese food. Well look like yeah. And then
you're like you're like, oh, he's gonna he's gonna get it,

(46:41):
like something's gonna happen. And then you have the scene
in the trailer that we saw them blowing the building.
I thought it would be like him walking in seeing
the bomb, and then we get the shot of Bigs
and casts outside and blowing the blowing the officer good enough.
When when the door's closed and you don't see Bigs
until she's steps out of the shadows, I was like, oh, ship,

(47:04):
she's there, and then she puts the hard dude, don't
when she goes, don't worry, It'll only feel like forever.
I was like, fuck, yeah, girl, like I.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Know you, I know what, I know you.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
That was the thing, Like he didn't even recognize that,
so like you know, she was like, oh, I'm gonna
kill she like us here on Peode Project. She cranked
everything all the way up to eleven.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
That's right, baby, Yeah, that was that line.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Is that Creed full volume?

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
And then the walk away and the blow in there
that was greatly. I love a walk away from a
next book that Robert Rodriguez is the master, like he
created the walk Away from the Explosion and now it's
like one of the best action tropes ever.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Cool people don't look back at explosions, or they don't
react to explosions.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Perfect. I love that too.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
I love the line that this whole arc has been
about the trauma of Bits and how she's trying to
regain some kind of like autonomy with it. She's struggled
with that she obviously. I even liked the drug angle.
It was like that's overdone a bit sometimes, and but
this was done subtly and well, it wasn't like we

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saw her like a typical trope of this is like
this would be the entire season where.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
She would have gotten at.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
It would have been the whole things like we've seen
it before, and this is kind of like she's just
turning to drugs to numb her. But they get her
out of it and they actually it's just a little
highlight of what was going on with it.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Shout Lonnie again. And the information about doctor Ghost's plan
because he was gonna his program was going to get expanded,
but now he's been taking off the board.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah, shout out to Lonnie. Uh, Lonnie, who is flirting
with everybody this episode. Uh this is his coworkers there.
Uh No, But I like seeing Bis like really regaining
her autonomy and Luther interactions with her because Luthen kind
of shows humanity with her a little bit.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
I mean, you could tell she doesn't.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
He could say he doesn't because he's kind of just
poking at her, but he does have empathy, like when
he sees he goes there against Cassian's knowledge, when Cassian's
gone to try to like kind of see where she's at,
and he would totally use her if she was up
to it. When he sees how struggling she is, he
turns to it. He's a kind of leg kind of
play it off a little bit and he lets it
go and that's it. I mean, he got pissy, I

(49:28):
can't Cassi when Cassian found out and tried to confront
him stupidly the bad way by Cassian party.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I think it was a case of like, uh, your
fucking strung alicon, use you right, let me help you
get better, and then when I need you, I'll call you.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Yeah, that could absolutely.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I do think there's definitely some some bit of caring
there as well. I do think there is some like
he has empathy. It's not entirely one hundred percent about
using her. He would use her to note, I mean
definitely would use her, no doubt one hundred percent. But
I do think he does care enough about her to
like wanted to.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
I think he wants her and Cassie and separate.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Though I think so too.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
I was Cassie to be him right.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
So yeah, though that was a definitely a good, good,
good moment for me. Although it's kind of funny, I
want to talk to you real quick about this. Uh,
there was some ship I read some gibber jabber or
some different reviews about things and some you know, some
complaints or whatever that they were out there.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Some people thought that the big course thing was too rushed.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
There was like a not a build up to it,
and then kind of like the ending was a little
out of nowhere comparatively, and they felt like that we
spent too much time with one thing and not enough
with that. What do you what do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
What they talked about they were voting out the entire episode.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
I kind of felt that way too. I gotta felt
like that was we didn't have pacifics on it, Like
we didn't we didn't need to get the planning of
the specific mission. We knew that she needed autonomy. We
we saw she was doing something and then something was
going down at the end. I think that's all we needed.
I think, in fact, it helped to have it that
way because then just the shock of it. I think
that's the shock of it. But it was kind of
like the oh, this is what we're doing help the
end of the episode of but I kind.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Of saw it was coming because they talked about it
in the IB meeting. We saw Lonnie go off to
feed information to Luthan, right, and then at the end
Luthen sends up the cast signal and Biggs is like,
whatever mission it is, I'm coming with you, right And
to that at that point I was like, Oh, they're
going after ghost, because that'd be the only mission that

(51:29):
Luthan would let her go along. The whole episode they're
talking about you've got to give her something to do,
you've got to give her a mission, you've got to
give her something to look like to strive toward. So
to me, it was kind of like a oh, yeah,
they're going after ghost.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah, I guess we just it's definitely in just position
it was just.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
I think it was pretty subtle, and I think because
of everything that everyone was so folk. It's like nemic, right,
that gives you the ten things, and you're focusing on
the one right, right, is they gave us Goldman? Everyone
was focusing on is the mask gonna come? Is this
the scene that sets off the Goldman masacre? And we
don't notice the little subplot that's being fed through.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
I think it's a juxtaposition of like, we have a
mission and we have, like you mentioned, a dirty dozen,
kind of Heyst, get all this prep going on. Is
the big long thing we're struggling with, that's the focus.
Doing it this way we get the opposite of just
kind of like we don't get the bare minimum of
what's going on. You said, like they sprinkle some things,
but it's not like, oh, that's what they're doing. We
never we never got the word like we saw there's

(52:31):
a mission, and you assumed it was it was Gorst
and it's a good assumption to make, but it could
have been something else. No. And we's also instead of
going and meeting Louth and going, okay, we got we
got gorsed here, and you're gonna go blow them up
and we're gonna do this and anything, and watching it unfold,
watching her break into the Imperial somehow into the stronghold
and setting up Also, it's kind of like we just

(52:52):
skipped the to the end of it. So I guess
that's the rushed angle of it. I don't think it's
rushing on it. It's a choice, and I think it
worked well for it myself. There's personal thought on that,
but uh yeah, okay, anything else that action was that
you want to discuss it on.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
There was a whole lot of big you know Star
Wars pup action.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
I mean, the the actual heightst itself was pretty cool.
RP center.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
I want to say quickly, I love the shot of
the case going down the chute going down.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I did. I did have a oh fuck moment when
I heard the blast to go off because Bell was
the one walking away and I thought we were going
to get a case of Bell get shot and they
trace her body back to Monmoth. Oh interesting that they
would be like, why is your cousin's dead body with

(53:48):
these rebels?

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Now, then that would be what causes that would be
like the final straw for her to go you killed
my cousin because she has the moment when and it
was mostly the moment that she has with Luthin when
she goes, why haven't I heard from my cousin? Yeah, yeah,
I was hearing that and like seeing that mission play out,
I was like, oh, fuck, that's done, Like we're.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
That's a good point. They did set it up that way.
Maybe that's why they didn't do it that way.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I think so. I think they wanted us and then
switch switch.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
I will say, I want to comment on something that
I've read and like again a comment on it very carefully.
Although out there there was some complaints or criticism, I
guess the better way for it criticism how this enveloped
the burier of the gays trope that's out there obviously

(54:47):
very the gays tropes is that basically, you show characters
becoming gay, or you show them explicitly having a romance
or something more than usual, and then you kill them off.
And I know I am a ciss gender white male,
so I can have an opinion on it. I think
I can have an opinion on anything, but I know

(55:08):
your opinion on my opinion. My opinion might not have
as much weight as others in the in the community.
I completely understand that, but it's not a stong from
having my opinion on it. I will say that I
understand the trope is problematic, and I can empathize with
some people who were hurt by out or the thought

(55:29):
that this was a extension of it. I don't think
this is a great example of very games for a
couple of reasons, only because in Star Wars we haven't
had very many like on screen full like we had
that full on kiss scene with them. I'm like, yes,
they're filing together, she's loving eye else we had, I mean,
it's not too long ago twenty nineteen, Like there was

(55:51):
a kiss in the Grind of Skywalker that was kind
of like in the background, and that was a big
thing and they cut it out of shine everything else.
This is like they fall on said, here you go,
we're having this point plank. And if this was any
other kind of show, I might seem more into that.
I feel like you're looking at the show where everybody's dying,
like everybody is like we're losing everybody that I'll think this, like,

(56:11):
it's not like we are losing specifically Sinta or Vell
or it's like we're losing Brasso, We're losing Cinta this week,
we're losing a lot more. I think Bix is going
before the end of the show. I think every art's
gonna lose some people. So with that in mind, I
don't know if this is as great of an example
of that or as much like I could see, absolutely
the criticism could be made, and I understand that criticism,

(56:34):
and I've seen another place and it's absolutely been true.
And again I fully acknowledged my opinion means a little,
very little it comes to this particular thing, because this
is I don't have any real skin in the game,
as it were, outside of the outside of being an ally.
But I don't know what what do you have?

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Do you have any thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
And where you I honestly did and call it ignorance
for being, you know, straight white. I didn't. And this
is not me pull in that. I don't see color,
I don't see gender thing like to me, it was
just a tragedy of a couple that finally embraced that connection.

(57:17):
Like Joseph Scrimshaw talked about it on their on their
review of the last one of the last three episodes,
incredibly like, this is a show about that connection and
that that closeness, that intimacy, but not being able to
have it because there's just so much going on in
this time of war that it's impossible to have and

(57:37):
it's you know, it should be Any chance you get
to have that connection with someone should be cherished. To me.
All I was thinking of was, yes, they finally have
that moment, and then like that it's taken away, right,
like they kill the gates. Yes it's a trope. Yes

(58:00):
it's a problem. People do use it, but we also
like you need to see this for what it is.
It's this is a I said this last week. This
show is a Shakespearean tragedy. Absolutely absolutely, We're gonna lose
a lot of people, right, So I'll honest, I'd be honest.

(58:21):
I maybe it Maybe that's on me for you know,
not seeing that. Maybe that's on me for not looking
deeper into that. If if that is the way that
some people feel, they are perfectly valid to feel that way.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Absolutely, that's when I said the same thing. I did
not notice it either. I should say that I only
noticed afterwards and I heard some criticism about it, and
I went ah, and it made me think about it.
I tried to think about like, well, let me, let
me have it, and.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
It's definitely there. It's definitely you know, I could see
I could completely see why someone who who is gay
or by or you know, anyone in the LGBTQ community
could feel that way. And you know, we're finally getting
this this gay couple on screen and you know, just
like that, in the span of half an episode, they're gone.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
I could completely understand that, especially after just confirming goes
we didn't.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
We didn't.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
I kind of had it last season, right, No, it was,
it was confirmed, but it wasn't like we didn't have
a scene like that.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
They didn't even right.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
It was kind of like a we are not just alluding
to it, we are showing you, yes, this is this
is happening, this is in place. And I was like, yeah, no,
I I again agree with that as well. I mean
some other less the criticism which is more less pre
bare the games, but also more like, well it's that
normal writing trope which some people are sick of, and
like that you sow two people saying that they're loving

(59:47):
each other finally and one person that means one person
couldn't die like it's kind of like that's as that
is a trope that also does have it as well.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
And I can mean, so we knew what happened in.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
The Empire strikes back. I love you, I know, could
have very well been that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
I can didn't survive that. I mean, god, Noah's Harrison Ford.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Tried all right, let's see things good. Oh you know what, Okay,
let's let's move on then to our next segment. Then
lap it up fuzzball or comic moments of the week.
What was your comic?

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
There weren't many, No, I'll give you that, there weren't many.
But Cyril did make me laugh with his his whole
act when he was like saying, I'm gonna I'm gonna
call the like the head off this basically pull in
like a space Karen right right, like his his fake
outrage right of that he was, you know, being listening

(01:00:45):
because he knew that they were listening. And obviously the
Gorman Foreign Legion had no idea. And I will say
that's another thing. The accents had me kerfuffling. They had
they had me a gig liit. It was like a
cross between like French and German like somes were like,

(01:01:07):
oh this week, and then you had one guy that
was like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Nine nine nine nine. I did love the dial I've
read some people who like linguistic people who were impressed
with how.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
I genuinely French at one point.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I can't have it was too because I'm not a linguist.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
I have no idea, but they did a good job
making how Google translate up to my TV. It's not French,
but it sounded French to my it does. I mean,
it's definitely based on French. That's definitely the idea of
the whole thing was French interview. I think, so I
get yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
My favorite bit we've actually kind of already mentioned it,
but amas and again it was that line the I said,
this was the greatest day of my life. Doesn't spoil everything. Dude,
You're so pathetic. You are so pathetic. And I laughed
my ass off at it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I couldn't help it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
I can't help it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
I say that in front of like your girl as well.
It was like that you would.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Be like, you're pathetic. Also, I mean she had the oh,
I'm glad you're happy. But that's where of like you
pathetic tool.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I also think it was kind of like a little
bit because like the way her like face and her
body sunk. I feel like it was kind of like
a oh oh not me, okay real.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I think it's words like that, what's the greatest day
of your life?

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Oh? Really dude? Okay. Eadie Kahn continues to be my
favorite part of this show. Yes, yes, the way oh good,
despite a bit the cool like is cool to her
at the start, and she's just like berating him like
you had everything here, you finally had a woman that

(01:02:54):
you're in a relationship with, a woman that you know
actually meant something like made you want to be something
with yourself. And then he just like just looks away
and he just like turns it off.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
I was just so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
And then the Goldman front, even the Goldman front of
like the mother is terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Yeah, the guard down actually very fund The guard Front's
the reaction to them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Like, that's that's rough.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
It did actually lead me. That's why when I was like,
oh so they're broken up now, interesting, that's interesting, what's
happening there? That was one of the things I mentioned
before I did. Cyriah had this moment where like they did.
Tony Giard did a great job of making me considered,
like does he almost join the rebellion not because of

(01:03:40):
the evil of the empire, because he's like so easily manipulated,
and like because the UN's like you want to help you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Because Dedra broke up with him, he joins the rebellion.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
No, dit, you brokes up with him, and like the
whole thing is about like we got he sees what
the Empire is doing is wrong all right, a little bit,
the oversight of how they fuck up his office and
all kind of stuff, like the Gorman Front people. He say,
help help us, help the empire, the actual empire. I
can see him as being like I have to see
the Empire from the isb Like the Empire and the
Emperor they're they're doing the right thing, but now they're

(01:04:11):
they're because they're scurrying with me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
It's like the parent situation in a way to a degree.
It's like they're scurrying with me now. So like I'm
gonna join the that's the rebellion. I'm not gonna rebel.
I don't want to go over to the Empire, but
I need to somebody needs to keep these guys in check,
and I'm the guy to do it kind of thing.
I got that that might be the rea that we
were going down to. He'd become part of the rebellion
and not even realize he was like part of the rebellion.
I can still see that because Sarah was very much

(01:04:34):
about that character in every way, shape or for him.
But that that made me laugh a little bit too
him Like that would be very funny if all of
a sudden, like Cyril ends up in you have him
for like, we're going, what the hell did I just
get involved with?

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
What do I?

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Sarah would during your FREDI.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
If Syriah has up an older on, that's his mission.
He goes to older on, so like that's part of
his mission somehow, and he had to be an older
on when I see, like look at the start going.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
One bit to have me nervous laughing was the fact
that YouTube shot that guy in the face and then
just held up a piece of paper from his pocket
and saw I was like, traitor, traitor. This guy's you know,
been like he's been listening in for the Empire the
whole time, and we're like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Was it really?

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Why did you just get paranoid because he was asking
a few too many questions and you decided to eighty
six the dude. And I also kind of anytime I
saw I kind of like nervous laugh because when he
starts like inhaling the gas and he was just like
he loves me. It's my sister. I'm like, you're fucking cuckoo.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
We hadn't yo what I will say that? Also, yeah,
like that as far as humorous things go for me,
I'll put this here. I was gonna mentioned in like
like week clean up, but it's actually a funny moment
to me too. Saw the Saw the the huffing maniac
there huffing the huffing the road and gas or whatever
like huff and jet fuel, huff and jet fuel. All

(01:06:11):
I can think about in my head is like, we
are totally screwing with the based on continuing about like
assumptions and predictions and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
The whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
We saw Saw from Clone Wars, we saw Saw in
a Rogue one. He's a broken man. He has the
asthma machine thing, he's got the legs and I'm like, wow,
what battle did he get this from? Nope, you got
from huffing and jet fuel.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
He cut it from huffing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
What is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
You think I'm crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Yeah, I think you're.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Fucking ship dude.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
So fucking funny.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
So I the alphabe, there's a humans the text.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
And like, I know, we got we gotta hybrid a loan,
but like it makes text lost like that much more
painful because it's like you went out because of this
fucking guy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
I mean, he is very important to the rebellion, absolutely
does a lot of things that are important rebellion.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
But god, I it's just kind of amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
To me how this is all going down and revolution
is not for the saying yeah, you're fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Right, absolutely, and what an interesting way to take it,
What a very interesting way to take is so good, good,
good choice by by Tony Getroy there for sure for
me anyway, Alright, anything else about that's about Actually one
of our funny moments lights out was a pretty funny
moment still, I'll say that I just got to hear
me about this a while Lutheren and Clay's moment was

(01:07:35):
pretty funny. Like I said, I had mentioned that coming
out of the party less funny and more like a
release attention. But sometimes you release tension by laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
And the music kind of like crescendo like it was
like more in a major key.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
That's the spirit.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
That's the spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Before we finish up with the ratings and everything else,
one last thing I do want to discuss real quick,
what did you think about the recast? You did have
the recast, we didn't mention at all.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Right, ben it's Benjamin brad like cool.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
I mean, I'll be had problems with it and in
general recast that's the whole He's been a big thing
in Star Wars. But I think, hey, if Joy Gilroy
said basically that it was a scheduling thing, and I
buy I don't think he had any reason to lie.
Only Jimmy Smice didn't want to come back. Obviously, he
came back for Obi Wan, he came out. I think
he would have come back obviously to me, he's got
a big part to play on this or because they

(01:08:24):
I don't think that's the only time we're seeing If
that was the only time we were seeing him, they
just would have not had the character him. And in fact,
actually we know that because there was a quote during
a recent Tony Gilre I mentioned the recast and he said,
first of all, so it was Castley Kennedy's idea to
recast with Benjamin Brad like that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Was Benry Bradd was her choice.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Good, good choice because, like I say, if you got
to recast Jimmy Smiths, this is I don't know if
there's a better choice.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Now, died like Jimmy Smith like before you see him
on camerai the way it was Jimmy Smiz and I
was like, oh shit. And then I saw Benjamin Brown.
I was like, oh they did recast it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Yeah, And I was like, wow, impressive, But that's the
one that good dream. I think that's a good choice.
And he did say, what a good idea because you
put him in this scene there's like nothing to throwaway scene,
just to kind of get the ex course out of
the way, like he's not in this arc.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
You throw him in there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Now he's like, oh, we're talking on the bunch of
always recast. Oh this sucks, it's great, and then you'll
move on and then we actually have to because he
actually has something apart to play later on.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
That's what makes sense, Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Jimmy does show up for the next time.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
I would laugh about I would loaugh at that for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Uh, everything else needs to cover. We try to touch base.
We touched on the saw arc very much behind the
huffing fumes. It was kind of tense and very car
being on the car that was kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
A cool you know that, we know that. So it
was a fucking crazy man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Yeah, absolutely crazy amount, dude. Uh yeah, I love that
aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Seeing Willeman uh in that crazy bit that was fun.
Uh seeing him being part of the part I mentioned
I kind of predicted he was gonna be the Partisans
this year because he's already kind of radicalized. I said,
I said two people, I said will have been and said,
so that's what I said. Now, actually think Wilman is
going to in a way. It kind of feels like
that's where we're going. Like he's gonna willingly join them
now I think, I don't know why. I just feel

(01:10:06):
like like he's gonna he's being forced to seal along
with them, and he's gonna tack around him for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
You might die next time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
If the fifth the half Infumed didn't kill him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
All right, on a scale of well, I think it's
pretty good. I mean, Luther had his moments where he
was starting to come on a hinge a little bit.
That was fun to see. I guess that's really the biggest,
bigger fall. So all right, on scale of one two eleven,
so honest, rank things, ran things out of eleven, turn
things up to eleven. Here on peld projects each episode,
where are you ranking them?

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
I'm gonna go at nine and nine and a half
and a ten because it kind of did drop that.
It was like a different kind of tension, like you
were waiting for something to happen and it was like,
oh uh but you know that, like the end game
isn't gonna come just yet, right, So I'm just kind
of like the like that I know more Mutham is
not going to get caught. But at the same time,

(01:10:55):
when she's like face to Facebook credit, I'm like, oh shit,
Like could.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
She get like lean, yeah, absolutely if.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
You're not from Moscow face. He's already been arrested once.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Yeah, and tortured. So interesting to say for tour, I
went nine and a half, nine and a half and
ten and a half. Uh near perfect. The last one,
you're perfect for me, you know, one the didn't want
to throw out there. We didn't mention it before, and
it's my own fault for I haven't said it during
our talking about Cassidy and or I didn't really talk
about Cassian on Corman too much. What an awesome experience

(01:11:27):
that was not only hearing them from the target massacre,
but seeing him being this leadership role where he's like, yeah,
this is you guys are.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Not oh with with the the bell hop, yes, anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
And uh and then he like has the whole thing
where he basically eraced me. He's like, you can't do this.
This is not good. You're not a good resistance, so
you're not ready for this and trying to push them down, I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Think, and is like the two people you've got following me,
send them home.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
He's just like the he's the pro.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I love the whole aspect of it. So all right, son,
app done, app and ten and a half. Let's go
do our forest visions before wrap things up and I'll
else it now. Actually we're not gonna do news this
week now, I kind of ran out of time. We
do have a special episode this week coming out next
week on Monday. Have a special episode because Tales of
the Underworld comes out on Sunday, for May the fourth.
So we're gonna cover Charils the Underworld on Monday, and

(01:12:13):
then we'll go back to the and Or of course
on Thursday. I will give you our touches on the news.
Uh that episode for Tales of the Underworld. I think
I'll have more time to discuss things for.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
That for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Yeah, including a horror tennis comic which was annound. I
can't wait to talk about that. But anyway, force vision,
my friend, what is your force vision?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
I'm gonna pull a pod and I'm gonna throw a
wild one out there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Crackpot theory time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
All right, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
He's coming, the big man, cool Palpatine. I think we're
gonna see him.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I have to put some water on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Throw some water on your ear.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Twice twice twice mentioned last week.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Yesterday he's a Tony get actually already said he's not
putting Vader or palpatinon because it was too heavy, but
left he said, I think I he is. I have
a scene where I would pick you up say that
Tony's not.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Tony's not that kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
I don't think unless he was specifically told keep your
mouth shut about.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
He won't say it. Then he wouldn't say anything.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
He actually he was. He got so far detailed, saying that, well,
Vader's on it, because Vader's are heavy left. And I
thought about Palpatine. I wrote a scene for Palpatain at
one point and it didn't It didn't work, and I
took it out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
That's what I'm saying is two weeks now we've had
high ranking imperial offices saying they have either met or
are going to meet with Palpatine. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
I'm just saying, this is what Tony Gilroy said.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
If you want to believe it and as your first vision,
still I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
I'm Andrew Garfield said he wasn't gonna be in no
way home, but.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
He was asked specifically about it. You wing a girl.
I basically volunteered this one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
But okay, all right, I really jumping probably jumping out
ahead of it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I heard by crackpot theory Luthen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I think we all kind of again in this assumption.
Do you do you assume that Luthen's gonna go by?

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Then it's oh yeah, and it's gonna be meaningless too,
like a stormtrooper is gonna shoot him in the back
and he's gonna lie dead in a ditch.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
I think it's gonna be Castian.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
I think Cassian has to take him out. I think
Casian has enough annoyance and meanness in him. But there's
gonna be as kind of situation. We're killing Luthen ben
if it's the rebellion. So Cassian takes that next step
is why he joins Monmothna's rebellion, and because Luthens now
a I think Luthern comes unhinged and could whatever he's

(01:14:39):
gonna do is gonna threaten the after rebellion at this point,
and a scene is like this is what you raised before,
this is what you led me for, is what you
were teaching me to do, and now I have to
take you out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Or Luthen makes some shoes between him and Bis and
he's like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
I think that's part of it. Yeah, Joyce, I think
that's part of it. Well, that's that's the part. It's
gonna happen. All You're gonna get something like luth And
being like I'm so damn prout of you something like that,
like like that's gonna be a con situation. Is like
I understand, you have to do what you have to do.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
I get it and like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
I think that's what I were going to get it.
I think it's gonna be a cool I don't know.
It's that's my minor crack plat theory. By the way,
So all right, Maddy rock the folks find you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
You can find me on all social media at Matty Mourner.
You can find my band Mona on all streaming platforms.
You can find me here every week for Holy Snokes
and some once a month for class Action Pod. Other
than your name being on the tin, where can people
find you?

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
That's in Also buy me on Blue Sky right there
at Pololue Sky. I don't go to the bad place
very much anymore, but you can find me again all
the stuff here. Holy smokes. PJ Campbell I doing two
Middle Ay geeks on film covering the Superman franchise right now.
We just did Superman four. We watched this so you
didn't have to h here's rant and R about that
and how bad that one is. We all start doing

(01:15:57):
the MCU and our Patreon. We watched this suit to
Patreon for now until probably December, so patreon dot com,
slash pod products join us there a great time there,
Austin Candell, credit Buckingham, A lot of good crew members there. Yeah,
so but you can't I get that as well, like subscribe.
All that stuff leads us to out of the Middle
Ages and into the fight against the Evil Algorithm. And
we will see you again next Monday special special Holy

(01:16:20):
Smokes people even will do it live. I don't know,
maybe we will, you know, live, maybe just do a live.
We'll to say we don't have time yet necessarily think
we actually officially have said that, so we'll talk off air,
but definitely Holy Snokes tales you under World, and then
we're back next week for the gor mash carearc of
and or is what we've been I've been, Uh if
I'm under the assumption that that's what it is. The
final is the big one that takes has told you,

(01:16:42):
just admit, I'm not saying anything.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
I'm not saying anything.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
I'm not saying anything that episode eight is supposedly a
really good one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
You giving up your source. I respect it, and I
do have multiple ones.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
I've actually know if I've had multip people tell me
that episode eight is their favorite, could be the favorite
episode of Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
A lot of time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
You might be misconstruing what Charlie Cook said about that
Will maybe maybe because he said episode it was, I heard.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
That, I don't. I'm looking forward to it. I think
it's gonna be a lot of fun and I can't
wait to hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
I'm trying to cover your tracks. Let's get out of here, let's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Go all right, We'll see you next time. Then on
holy snows Piasau, May.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
The Force be with you always.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
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