Age Dynamics: When Do We Really Care?

When news broke about the lawsuit involving Shannon Sharpe, public discourse quickly expanded beyond the legal details to something more complex: age dynamics in relationships. Why do certain age gaps spark controversy while others barely raise a brow? In this episode, the Hot Topix Podcast team and guests use the Shannon Sharpe incident as a lens to examine how age, gender, power, and public image influence how society judges relationships. We explore:

- The double standards around older men vs. older women dating younger partners
- How celebrity status and public scrutiny amplify age-gap controversies
- Why society polices some relationships while giving others a pass
- The fine line between consent, power imbalance, and public perception
- Whether legal adulthood equals emotional maturity—and who gets to decide
This episode asks: When does age matter in a relationship, and when is society just projecting its own discomfort?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Before we begin in this episode, we want to give
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Would you say good good morning, evening, afternoon? Yeah, follow listeners.
I just want to take a minute to say that
this podcast includes sexual and physical abuse. So if those
are your triggers, please take care of yourself and decide
whether or not you're gonna listen.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Okay, fair enough. You're listening to the Hot Topics podcast
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this is a cycle forty eighty one for the Hot
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(00:58):
heighting today.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I'm well you doing. It's beautiful outside today.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
It is it's a Memorial Day weekend, so I hope
everybody's out there having a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Now I could get them confused Memorial Day is for
the soldiers we lost, yes, okay, so thank you for
your service, and thank your family for your service and
be sorry that we lost you.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
And the official day is Monday, and you know, just
let you guys know. The banks will be closed, most
of them and the post office. So go out there
and have some fun.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
So but anyway, shampoo my dog. That's gonna be my fun.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
So by past, the Dirty said, you can't think that dead.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, I think they're families, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
So today we have two guests coming in. We have Paul.
We have our pastor Dirties coming back. Finally we got
we got them back on the online. For this episode,
we're gonna talk about, uh, the Shannon Sharp incident and
how it relates to question came up, you know, does
when does age matter in relationships?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
And it kicked off because oh so I'm outnumbered today
we had passed the Dirty and you and progress that was.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
That just recorded on the because we all wanna start
putting some of these on the YouTube with the video.
So yeah, you're you're out number. There's no ladies here today,
even though they wasn't by that. Guess they got scared.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Whatever I'm gonna hold it down for you ladies.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
But yeah, the question was a valid question about the
dynamics of relationships when it comes to age, you know.
And I asked the question to quite a few people,
when you know they everybody gave different answers. Yes they did.
I was more interested to know what some of the
women would say, but they were less forthcoming. Really, yeah,

(02:57):
so we'lls that you have to hold the work for them.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I will. I have no problems with it. I will.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
So we have Oh yeah, we have Paul and passed
dirty here. So going back to Shanna Sharp, you know
more about the Shannon Sharp incident than I do.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Okay, so initially I didn't. Initially I just heard, because
I really am not a sports follower. I know everybody's
booing me, and I heard, you know, rumblings of it.
And then I said, all right, let me just find
out because I knew we were going to do this,
so let me look. So I read an article. The
article I read was about and I don't remember the names,

(03:32):
I apologize, but it was about the woman that he
had a long term relationship.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
With, Gabriella Zeninga.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Maybe that's it, really nigga really.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Zoo z u n I g a niggah.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I'm just gonna leave that right there.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Gabriella, Okay, we got it.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
But she talked about some physical, emotional, and sexual abuse
in that relationship and how he was very demanding of her,
very possessive of her. And I think she said that
she was dating him and someone else at the time,
and he didn't want her to date anyone else at
the time but him. However, he was having numerous relationships

(04:22):
with other women, so it got very ugly. Again ignoring
you and rolling my eyes for people who can't see me.
It got very ugly. She charged him with rape. I
think the court case went on back and forth, back
and forth, and she figured out that she was not

(04:43):
going to be able to content to sustain it financially,
and I think the two of them talked and she
dropped the lawsuit.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
So she charged him with rape years ago, years ago,
but it couldn't be too long ago, because she's what
twenty one.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
No, this is not the person. This is the first woman,
the first person, the first person this this woman is older,
so I'm not sure how old she was when they
were in a relationship. I did. I didn't get that part.
So to me, it says that you have a consistent
I want, this is consistent in your relationship and behavior,

(05:23):
and yeah, your behavior is consistent in these relationships. So
that was the first thing I gathered from that, and
then it was the younger the younger girl, it's a
little bit scary.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
So this is what I got, and I didn't make
this up. So she had the Sharp former NFL star.
He's the NFL star and prominent sports commentator and he
has his own show clip Chase and what's the other
one called Nightcap? Yeah, Okay. They're currently world in a
significant legal controversy. So back in April of this year,

(05:57):
Gabriella Zoo Nigga, a twenty one year old OnlyFans model
five yes, a fifty million dollar lawsuit civil lawsuit against
Shannon Sharp and Nevada alleging sexual assault, battery, and emotional
distress during a relationship that began when she was nineteen
and he was fifty six. So he categorically denied the allegations,

(06:19):
labeling the lawsuit to shakedown. Might be part of that too,
because legal teams released explicit text message showing consensual relationship
initiated by her. However, her attorney contends these messages pre
date the alleged assaults and our intended to distrengthen the
core issues. So here we are today.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Here we are today.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
So we're gonna we're gonna talk about his situation and
then kind of relate it to generalized you know people.
So now let's throw it out out here. Any of
you guys here, would you date someone who's much younger?
What's your lowest and highest?

Speaker 2 (06:58):
What's your age range?

Speaker 1 (07:00):
And give us your age as well, Great p Diddy.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
No, you don't. Don't call nobody that on this show. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
So I'm fifty two, okay.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think my lowest would be forty okay, forty. In
the highest, I would say about fifty eight, okay, forty
to fifty eight okay. And he's fifty two, okay, I think.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Past the dirty, he's a fine, all right, So past
the dirty, all right.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
I'm just reading his messages. He's all right, he's forty eight.
He said he'll go as low as twenty one, twenty one.
They have to be able to drink. And then he said,
he said that's sexually that's a little sketchy. That's that's
strictly sexually. And then in a serious relationship, they got it.

(08:18):
He he'll go as low as low as thirty Okay,
what's what's your what's your cat?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
The oldest?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, So let me see what about you? Oh me?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
He said?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
He said, his his age ranges for serious relationship is
thirty to one hundred.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I ain't mad at you. I made as you. Oh
my gosh, all right, what's yours? Okay? So I'm sixty one, okay,
and I'm gonna say forty five. Forty five would be

(09:05):
the lowest, forty five to one hundred. I'm gonna do
what in the cold? My next marriage is gonna be
and the cold. He gonna be ninety nine and can't move.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Seventy five seventy five okay. So mine is on the
on the floating scale because it changes as.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
You, right, and depending on the person you know.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
So, going by what pastor Dirty says, we're talking about
a in a sexual relationship versus a serious relationship. So
in a sexual relationship, they have to be older than
my kids. That's not leaving a lot around fifty five,
that's not leaving a lot of my son. My son
is twenty two. Still, okay, this is strictly sex okay, right,

(09:54):
and you know I thought about this because, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Should have got on Michael the show. I swear.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
You gotta think about it, like, all right, so don't
don't don't kill me for this. But I remember the
if you look at the Playboy magazines, right, all the
centerfolds had the information about the different you know whatever,
and they always had their age. Their ages were like
in their twenties.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah. So I'm like, I'm not saying that was right either. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
I mean I can't get no writer, so so we're
basing off of sexual and serious. Yeah, sexual and serious
or my skill change on sexual?

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Wait man, which he said?

Speaker 1 (10:34):
But he said forty okay, forty it was your lowest.
That was a serious relationship, serious relationship okay, sexual?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Oh sexual? What did you say?

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Twenty seven?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Twenty seven? Okay, okay, you know what now did you
think about it? He's like, they gotta be older than
my kids. Okay, for forty five is older than my kids.
But that that's closed. Somebody had to raise that, agge.
They can't be friends with my kids. No, absolutely not,
absolutely not that is just all parts of wrong thinkers. Smith.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
My cap is probably, I want to say, in sexually,
probably sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
It depends, and it depends, Yeah, it depends.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I've seen some some you know, nice ones at that
old age, but in a serious relationship, I don't think
I have a cap. It depends on how youthful they
feel so.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Right, you know, and how mature there y'all, because you
can put a number on something and doesn't necessarily mean
that they're mature. That's true in both scales too.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
You can have a much mature younger person, right, and
I guess that would be different for really for a woman.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, because y'all, it takes y'all a little bit to
catch up to us sometimes.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
So it's just like that's the that's what they say.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, And it depends because that, like you said, there
are so mature people at a certain age, and you know,
some not so much.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
So this is coming in from past the dirty He
said he's had relations with two blind chicks. Anyone to
say that, even though his his was they have to drink.
His daughters are twenty and thirty, so he's going lower
than his daughters.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
That's why they call him past the dirty Yeah I'm not.
I'm not bringing anybody home younger than my children. I'm
just not doing it.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, well I would as as they're getting older, So
I think my younger my young.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Limit.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
It's going to raise slightly my older ones.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Raised little, right, right?

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, But then again that's that's easy to say because
as I get older, what makes me think or anybody
think that a.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Twenty year olds going with an old ass man? So
you might want that, she might want that.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
PINCHU ain't get none, man.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'm just picking because I'm I'm gonna get your own girls.
So I pick on him about the pension. But no,
that's what you gotta bring something.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
All right. Getting back to the Shannon Sharp thing, Now, how.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Old was he when he started this relationship with her?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Fifty six and she was nineteen. So she's twenty one
now and he's fifty eight.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I guess my father and uncles and most of the
men around and my family would have kicked his ass.
Well if that was their period, If it was me,
if it was me at nineteen and him at fifty something,
no matter who he was, that it would have been
a fight. Okay, can I put you on the spot
for a second.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Sure, what's the oldest person you ever dealt with the
oldest and difference of aage?

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Ten years? Yeah? Ten years? And that was a fight
at my house.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Really ten years?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yes, you was much younger. I was seventy seventeen. That
was a fight.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, it would have been my daughter's seventeen. Yeah, it
wouldn't even been a fight.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Right, that was a fight.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
It'd have been an indictment.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
And it didn't last. It did. It didn't last. Indictment,
that did last. So Okay. Now, I don't think I've
ever been out of the ten year range. Oh I have, Yeah,
I have.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I've been out of the ten year range going older.
I'm not sure. It might have been like maybe three,
you know, That's the only thing I can think of.
But with the Shannon Sharp thing, I think the age
thing came in more was more critical or criticized because

(14:29):
he's famous.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
No, I we heard about it. We heard about it
because he was famous, and I think it is some
of that going on, And I'm not going to approve
of it if he's famous or not. Okay, So you
know Bill Belichick, Yeah, I've heard that. Coach, Yeah, Coach coach. Okay,
did you hear it? He's getting ready married somebody. Yeah,

(14:52):
that's just a hot mess.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
But but nobody's making a big deal about that, right,
That's what I was going to say. Or the fact
that the team own it's black. Okay, So that's what
I'm getting back. Is there a difference because the celebrity
of the person is a celebrity and maybe because of
a certain race because he's black and she's a little

(15:15):
white girl. Right now, Pastor Dirty mentioned.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
So both of these women were white, because the first
woman that I read about was white too.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Okay, Pasta Da mentioned it, like celebrities. Robert de Niro
just had a baby, he's ancient Albacino.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Same thing. But how old are their wives? Well, they
having babies, they can't be they can still be in
their forties.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Ye, that's thirty five. Okay, so that's still that's like
almost a fifty year difference. But there's no problem. Yeah, nobody.
We didn't mention Leonard Leo DiCaprio.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, he likes them young too.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Well, he says, if I could recall that he'll date
him up until they turn twenty five. Then they have
to Yeah, he likes them young too, Yeah, and that
likes it, don't. I don't blame anybody for that.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
You like what you like.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
I think more or less it depends on you know,
your culture and maturity. So just in my in my experience,
people from say the US, they mature less or let
me say not, or slow at a slower rate than
people from other countries, you know, for whatever reasons. So

(16:26):
you know, at fourteen or fifteen or sixteen, getting into
the teens. I'm not saying like with an older person,
but you know they're out there, you know, still playing
with barbies and you know, doing hair and whatever girly stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Right, young girls are.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Girls here at fourteen fifteen? What girls girls here in
the US?

Speaker 2 (16:44):
What seen? I'm questioning that because I ain't saying them.
I don't. They may be out there, but I have
not seen that, all right.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
So my daughter at fourteen fifteen, she wasn't she was
still doing kids stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
She had to go to the.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
You know, to the amusement park and do stuff like that.
Where some if you have women in other cultures there
and they're taking care of kids, maybe even not their own,
but they're taking care of kids. They're farming, they're cooking,
they're doing a lot of different things, so their level
of maturity or there's just traduction into adulthood is different,

(17:19):
you know, So I think that makes a big difference.
But like, good, that's you know.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I mean, you know, Biblically, women have been having babies
as young as twelve, so you know, if that's what
we're going to base things on. This is my issue
with people who with men and women really who date
younger men. My brain is like, what are you getting
from that? And why? Like I mean, if it's a

(17:49):
sexual relationship and all y'all doing is bumping uglies, okay,
but this if you're talking about having a long term
relationship with somebody, she nineteen, you're fifty six, she ain't
saying nothing yet.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, in his case, I don't. I don't think he
was thinking about him and her having a long term
relationship still because one, I guess he wouldn't have had
the other relationships outside of that, and too, I'm pretty
sure why I'm not gonna say, I'm pretty sure I
think it would have made a difference because he wouldn't
he wouldn't have gotten a not Instagram, but only fans model.
I think more in his case was more or less.

(18:21):
This is I'm feeding my my physical needs and I
have control.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
That's it. He has control. Yes, that's it. He has control.
And now I feel like that's the main reason for
you getting with somebody that that's that much younger than you.
You have an amount of control that an older woman
is not gonna put up with.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Correct And also, you know, this is another thing too,
not much on the negative part, but as you get
older women also you are more setting your ways.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
That's true. I'm not gonna deny that.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
We can't come We can't come in and say, you know,
with a with a person who's older and say, well,
this is how I want my life to I want
my life to be. And you've already been like, say
you're sixty or fifty five or whatever, and you're not
trying to change what you've accustomed to for your entire.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Life, and you are more comfortable with telling somebody you
can take that elsewhere.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
So pastor Dirty says, the US mature is slow, even biblically.
But nineteen forties in the US, they were getting married
at twelve and thirteen and having kids. That is a
fact there's a fact.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
So agreed.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
So I guess we have to separate the physical part
from the the societal part. Where society changes over time,
physical parts doesn't change.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
That's never gonna change.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
So you're looking at going back from the biblical eraror
up to here. The physical part never changes. It's the
societal part. And I guess the location. You know where
you are.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
But so it gives me the eck. You know, you
could say, is this and that's changed? And this did
that and that did the other thing. It gives me
the itck.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Okay, So this is this question is for you, lamb chop.
Why are older men dating younger women? Why is it
more socially acceptable than older women dating younger men?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Uh, you know, my I'm gonna stand on my soapbox.
You know what I'm gonna say, because it's just another
way of giving women the blues and holding women down.
And you know it's okay for men to do. You
know that, it's true. It's a it's a patriotical system,
and you know that's true. So men can and will

(20:35):
do whatever they want or whatever they can get away with.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
So now here's a here's a little thing that I'm
throwing in now for a man, I think women women
are attracted to older men, whereas a younger man is
less attractive to an older woman. True, so it could
have that dynamic, could play it a huge p And.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
It might be because society has told him that once
she got a certain age, then she's not valuable anymore. Well,
that's true that too. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Also, if you was to have an older man and
you're a younger woman and you wanted to have a family,
the older man can still have children. Right, So I
think some some things are naturally created.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
And some of them are more you know, mental, and
you know they they will look at it as he's
a little more established than I am right now. And yeah,
that's a big part of it too.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
And then I guess that in your part you were
saying maybe the daddy issue comes in as well.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, again, giving me the giving me the.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Definitely comes in the blood.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Now what do you what do you think, Paul?

Speaker 1 (21:43):
What do you think is the why is it more
acceptable to have an older man younger woman relationship than
an older woman younger man relationship?

Speaker 4 (21:56):
And I have to agree with you know, with that
is just how society was is built upon where men
determine their rules, they set the precedents, and so it's
a hypocritical system.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
We know that.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
So men typically look at it as changing out a
car m hm okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
So after a certain at some treade and some some
miles on on a car, they want to trade for
a newer, shinier model. So and that's and that's accepted,
that's actually praised in society. So let me ask you something.

(22:47):
Do you think maybe it could be going back to
what Lamb Chops said that a man when you when
you come into those relationships, a man at a certain
age is really more established. Where As people make sure
they want to say the man should be statement, man.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Shouldn't financial society, thing in.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Society, thing that you know that, you should be able
to have your own home, we should be able to
take care of business, you should, you know whatever, where
they don't put those same requirements on a woman. A
woman's coming in to be a nurturer, right, right. So
I think that kind of sets up the way uh
society accepts the age differences now. I think in modern

(23:27):
times now, the cougar, as they say, right, is more
accepted now because you know, throw a nickname on it
and you.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
In not really because gold diggers, I'm not a fan
of that one.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Well that's true. Well a cougar. I don't think anything
negative comes out of the being called a cougar except
maybe or milf milk, Yeah, MILFs gifts don't don't even.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Again with the eye roll.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
So but but it does. So you know, I love,
I love.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
All right.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
So but but again, when when I don't know when
that term came out, but when it.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Did, that was grabbed on to it exactly, so society
grabbed onto it.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, and I think, you know, being realistic about everything
is always going to be a double standard, because not
because it's wrong. I think because it's supposed to be.
I really do there is. We're not We're not built
the same, you know, so double standard? Should should you
go out and take the trash out and go out
do the heavy lifting the right?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
But I will bring home the money right and pay
somebody to take.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
The But a guy, a guy might not necessarily want
to do all that stuff either, but he's going to
do it because he don't want you to do it.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
He feels that you shouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
So it's always going to be a double standard, and
I think some of them is rightfully. So no, I'm
not talking about like you know, where we work the
same job and I get paid more than you, right,
you know.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Right right, that's that's crazy. Listen, let be clear.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Let's let's be clear, Mills, what's the what's the other term?

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Cooper?

Speaker 4 (25:15):
All those terms white societal terms, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Mean, or at least male societal terms.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Well let's take a white male societal terms. Let's let's
be clear, because like I said, all all these different
like for instance, like Elvis Presley Lewis, Yeah, they should
have been in that conversation with Barry R. Kelly and
but you you they were praised. They were praised.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
And the thing about is that older men they would say,
well this is this is giving me the fountain of
you or make me feel alive with make me feel young,
and they they were being praised for that, right.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
But you know they also I think in their areas
it was legal. He was in Tennessee and then I
don't know Jerry Lewis was in where.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
But he both of Tennessee. I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
J Lewis has a club and and and uh in Tennessee,
then in Memphis, so I've been there. But all right,
let me let me read something. This is coming in
from past the dirty oh boy, trigger warning. All right.
So he's saying, unfortunately, older women are sometimes unfairly labeled
or sexualized when dating younger men. So I guess that's

(26:36):
the negative part about that. High profile couples like Priyanka
and Nick Jonas or Gabriel Union Weed have helped normalize that,
the older thing. So I didn't know Gabriel Union was
older than.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I didn't neither. Yes, okay, and who started I mean,
I'm not I can't say that any more started it.
But you know, when she started dating Ashton Kutcher, that
was a big deal.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
But it went way back then because you got to
look at Elizabeth Taylor.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Oh yeah she yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
But he says, either way, we have double standards, and
he said Chuck Berry pistol on folks before R Kelly.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, yeah he did, Yes, he did, Yes, he did.
Had some glory holes going on. He had a whole
bunch of nonsense, foolish And the difference is that we
didn't have information that work like behind the scenes, they

(27:37):
were probably saying, hey, don't you go anywhere with him,
you know, don't do that.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
They were saying that also about Bill Cosby back in
the day, but it was kind of it.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Was accepted back then. You know, you go to a party.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
These are things that happened, right, so you you know,
society changes over time and then you know, but some
things are just bad regardless with each right, you.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Know, agreed, agreed, some things was just bad. We godless.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Now, Yeah, speaking of Chuck Berry and Gabriel Union and
all these other people, how much does a role how
much of a role does money play or status money
or status big one.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Or fame playing the age gap relationship?

Speaker 4 (28:15):
So I don't believe that's I believe that's the biggest
determined factor.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
The biggest Okay, Okay, I would have to agree.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
And I clearly, like I said before, know that these
things are happening on an everyday level, but you don't
hear about them. You don't see it because you know,
I can't sue famous the neighbor down the street for
fifty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
And let me say he offered her was it thirty
or twenty something like that? She gave a million, ten
million still okay, so if you won't get money, well.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
He offered her to settle the ten million to settle.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, yeah, and it really wasn't a bad move because
he had more to lose regardless because of all the
things he had going on with the ESPN to show. So,
you know, I think that that'll be a determining factor
for me if I had to decide, you know, what

(29:12):
was her reason for or were you really the the manipuated, young,
you know, impressionable, innocent woman. I don't think so. That's
just my opinion on that, Okay, you know, especially if
you're doing only fans.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Okay, that's what I was gonna say. Clearly, I wouldn't
say that she was innocent. I am not gonna say
that she's innocent, but I will say that there could
have been all of those things physical, sexual, emotional abuse
going on. Now. Like I said, if it was the neighbor,
would you be suing him for fifty million dollars? Right?

(29:46):
Probably not. But I feel like you need to say
what happened. You need to tell people what happened. People
need to know what happened. Now. I don't know what
to do beyond that. What I'm saying, like, what happens
beyond that?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Okay, So at what point does the age difference imply
imply a power in balance? Like, so what's normal? What's
what would you say is normal? Like as far as
the age different man to woman.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
It's hard to say that because, like you said, the
milf could have all of the things, right, you know,
she she's working, she's established, she has her own home,
she has her own car, She can have all the things,
and that could be a power move for a twenty
five year old who is just coming out in the
world and just trying to figure out who he even

(30:35):
who he is as a man, right, you know, power move.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
But we're also driven by different things too. So with
the guy a guy, it might be different today, but
a guy is not really driven by like, Okay, she
has a whole bunch of money and she has a
guy driven by mainly sex. She lives good, I want that,
I want to you know whatever, and if she has
all the extra things, that's a bonus. But a woman,
I think is driven by more or less what do

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you have to offer?

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Right? Well, you know, we talked about that, So it
depends on what generation she's from. Yeah, because my generation
of women was out getting their own right because you know,
we saw our mother struggle to get their own and
we came up with the idea that you are an
independent woman and you can have these things, and you
can get these things on your own. So and partly

(31:23):
that was just based on the fact that you couldn't
even get your own credit card without your husband saying
that that was okay. So you know, that's hilarious to
be though. Yeah, the whole bunch, you know, your own apartments,
your home, all of those things. So it depends on
what generation.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
I think, girl, what's doing out here by yourself?

Speaker 2 (31:41):
You know? But yeah, I mean at twenty five, he's
still trying to figure it out. And she has gotten
him and I don't care what anybody say. She's guiding him.
I don't know where to, but she's got him. And
I guess that could be for the reason, well really not,
because maybe the man don't care where she going. Well, yeah,
you know, maybe he doesn't care. Maybe he's just like

(32:03):
you said, I got all my own stuff. You look good,
you pretty sit next to me, so everybody can think
I'm the man, right, So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
So all right, let me. Let me, let me frame
it this way. A woman's twenty Let's say twenty five
and the man is thirty two. Seven year difference.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Normal, Seven is not that bad. Seven not that bad
unless you in high school and he in college.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, the younger, you are right, right, twenty five and
thirty five, Okay, that's not too bad. Twenty five and forty.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
That's getting me on common you're getting it.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Okay, So twenty five forties is fifteen years difference, right, Okay,
now it's now it's definitely is being noticed. Right, So
let's say twenty five and fifty five. Yeah, that's a
thirty year difference. That's you would you would say most

(32:58):
people look at that. That's a power thing. They would
assume that she or he has control over her her. Yeah, now,
what if the guy was twenty five and the woman
was fifty five?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
That's what I just said. I feel like he's got it,
she's guiding him. I don't think society is going to
assume that. Maybe, I think so.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
You think that the woman would have would be controlling
him if she was fifty five and twenty five, really
will too?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I do. I think it's something going on there it's
something and I feel like with all of these humongous
big age difference, it's something mental going on there that
may not be healthy.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
I would have figured if it was a fifty five
year old woman with a twenty five year old guy,
it was more or less she's getting her physical needs
taken care of in exchange for he's getting you know,
some type of gift or you know, you could drive
my car.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Or you can just lay up here because I don't
need you to do nothing else and play video games
all day.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
That's right, all she got, Maden, what twenty five? I'll
buy you that ps five?

Speaker 4 (34:05):
That's also it also serves as the ego boost to
the young to the younger. Yes, the fact that he's
he's laying up with the older woman definitely serves as
the ego boost.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
And to her too because she could pull a younger.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah okay, yeah, So pastor Dirty says if one person
controls most or all of the money, it can shift
the balance of decision making, leading to dependency or control issues. Okay,
even in Shannon's sharp situation. Yeah, obviously, but she's making
her money. He was making more so. But I don't
know if that will apply there, She says, Well, hence
when why guys when older don't care about paying for

(34:40):
sex or the younger woman, Well, I guess that goes
both ways. The older woman will say, shut up and
open the PlayStation. I got, he.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Says, when I get.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
When I get home, your teeth better be brushed and
your tongue wet.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Right past and dirty. It's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Well, and I want to say I would agree with
that too as far as age differences. If you've got
a guy who's who's out here, you know, doing, not
even really finding himself yet, and you have this woman
woman who's offering them you know, stability, you know, gifts
and you know, and I said that the sex is
you know there right, nobody's going to turn down. No
young man's going to turn down anything unless you know.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
But yeah, yeah, I mean, and let's let's be honest.
She's probably hitting her peek at a certain age. And
you know that that age, little boys I won't say
little boys, because he's a grown man at twenty five
can go like rabbits. So you know, maybe everybody's knees
are getting met.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Okay, now, okay, I don't like that. How that sounds.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
But what do you mean you don't like how that sound?

Speaker 1 (35:54):
And my mind is because you tell me I'm lying,
But you know, it comes to you know, you start
the bobs like, you know, I'm a fifty something and
she's such and such, and she might want to go
after that little rabbit. Hey, you know, and that I
mean that happens. It happened, you know, and that that
fifty five year old woman, that twenty five year old guys,

(36:14):
she might even have a husband that you know, works
at the bank or whatever.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
You know, you never know who's fifty pop also and
not going like a rabbit anymore? Is that what you're saying? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Now, can people really connect across large age gaps or
does one side always hold more emotional control?

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Oh? That's a deep one.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
I could tell this because I've dated women younger than me.
I think you can connect. I think at certain points
it depends on the person. But I think at certain points,
you know, you find what's common, you know, and will
somebody have more control? Maybe maybe not, but you might

(37:00):
have the more the experience you might Again, you're settled
now for a younger woman. A younger woman might want
a guy who's more settled at this point instead of
a guy who's around her age is still out there
trying to chase you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Right, So I think.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I think you can connect those twenty thirty years. I
think it depends on where you're starting at your thirty years.
So a woman who's twenty and a guy who's fifty, no, right,
because she's you know, she's still pretty much a baby, right,
you know, right?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
And I feel like that nineteen year old and at
fifty six year old is sex, right, it ain't nothing
but sex. I'm sorry, you can't even tell me what
where you were when the world coming down?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Like, yeah, all right, so now going back into the
different place. This is the cultural thing, right. So I
asked a group of women, It was I think ten
of them. I asked a group of women, does age
matter in a relationship?

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Right?

Speaker 1 (38:13):
These were women who are from Africa?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Okay, it was no.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
I knew that. I knew that, yeah, because in their culture,
they don't look at age.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
They look at more or less.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Where you are if you're if you're a younger woman
and you're in their their position, their eyes is that
you know, as long as I know how to cook,
now long as I know how to take care of
my husband. As long as he's providing all these different things,
the age doesn't matter. And I guess it might be
too that maybe when you know, in their society, maybe

(38:51):
the older guys are still keeping up with the younger guys.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
So that begs the question, are these girls being groomed
to only know how to clean, only know how to cook,
only know how to make babies?

Speaker 1 (39:07):
No, most of them, and I did ask some certain
questions about, you know, just a discussion. All of them
are working, you know, all of them are educated. So
it didn't change when it comes and you would think
it would, but it didn't change when it came to
like this person is educated, this person is you know,
or or even the the I guess the value system,

(39:31):
not the I'm talking about the money. You know, that
didn't matter, you know, is that you have to provide
whether you're twenty or fifty, you know.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
But they didn't care. So I thought that was So.
Did you ask ten women from the United States?

Speaker 1 (39:45):
No, I did not ask the ten women from in
the United States because I usually had these conversations with
them anyway, going on social media, and I really wanted
to reach out to the different places, like I wanted
to hit the eight out of I just couldn't find
ten ages women. So yeah, that was you know, that
was different. Almost certain.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
I'm almost certain that if you asked ten women from
European countries, it probably would be the same thing.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Well, you know what, thinking about it, I asked this
some years ago. I was I think I was like
twenty two, and the person I was talking to was
from Germany and she was nineteen. Well, she had a
fiance fonce was much older than her, and she's like,
we have a ten year a ten year engagement. I'm
gonna go to school, go to you know, law school,

(40:34):
and and some years later.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
A ten year engagement, they.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Got married, she finished law school, they end up getting married,
had two kids. They're still together, so I think.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
But she also had time to mature.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Well yeah, but they were dating then, he's getting old
at nineteen right. Matter of fact, it was another one.
I knew a guy who was in the Netherlands.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
I think he was like twenty something and she was like,
you know, young, she might have been like sixteen something whatever,
But that was kind of what I got from it.
It was like that was common. And the mother, I
mean mother and the father. You know, the parents knew
about it and they were okay with it, right, They
didn't have any reservations to age.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
It comes to that.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
So maybe here in the USA we had more of
a hang up with well, they do.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Say that we have such a big hang up about
sex than other countries. Yes, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Had a conversation about that last night as a matter
of fact, when we're talking about traveling to different places
in the world and how things are so much more common,
even though on the television, you know, you can seem
like that's porn on television.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
You know, they don't care that. They don't.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
They don't say kids go to bed or right, right, okay,
And they drink and they even drink wine at dinner.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
They do at a very young age, at a very
young age. That is true. I don't know. I got
to say again, that whole nineteen fifty sixth thing gave
me a big It really really did. And I was
just like, oh, you know, and what I got from
the two articles and the YouTube thing I looked at
was like, he wants to be in control, he wants
to have a possession and you only belong to me,

(42:11):
Like I can do whatever I want, but you only
belong to me, Okay.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
And that's not different from most guys, regardless of age
or dynamics. Most guys want to have I'm not gonna
say most guys. Many guys I want to have that control.
They want to have that you know, you belong to
me and da da da da. So I think where
it comes in getting back to the age difference, as
somebody at a younger age and knowing that they're there
for you because you have money. That's where you can

(42:35):
get that because you have money. I'm pretty sure if
he was the you know, a sixth grade teacher and
he met her at the gym and she's nineteen and
she's making her money on OnlyFans, that would look at
him twice, right, So I think that that makes it.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Soul fame comes in a big part of that. Definitely,
Definitely that it's a means set that fifty shades of gray.
If he was lived in a trailer, we wouldn't be talking.
Everybody wouldn't be talking about this. But you know, he
was this multi billionaire, So.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Same thing going back to pretty women, pretty women, right,
you know, he was you know, right, hey, it happens.
Now let me let me let me throw something in there.
What about these reports. We hear a lot of reports
about these women, these older teachers who are having sexual

(43:38):
relations with these younger students.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
That gives me the itch.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
All So okay, now you know now this is you
and I were talking.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
You and I.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Right, You know, when you hear about these things and
you see the woman and like, say, the kid was sixteen,
seventeen or whatever and the teacher was forty forty five
or whatever, what's the first thing that you think of
when you hear about that. Now it's a guy. The
guy's a sixteen year old and the teacher is a
forty five year old. The first thing you think of,

(44:08):
why'd he snitch?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (44:12):
And the second thing is, man, I wish I had
the situation with exactly. Those are the two things every
guy's going to say, you told, why'd you tell?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Or where were they when I was in school?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Right? That's right? And nobody's going to you know, have
a you know, I'm not. I didn't think she was
a bad woman.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I mean, well, that's a whole power dynamic too. It
really really is brother, you want to look at it
or not. It's a whole power dynamic too. And the
difference is they look at the woman as she's not
well right, it is something mentally wrong with her. But
they would never look at a man and say.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
That, oh, he's a dirty man.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
He's you know right.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
So I think now, since you mentioned the teacher thing,
I guarantee you if I was sixteen seventeen, I'm trying
if I went back and thought about the teachers I had,
if I had teachers that looked like some of the
teachers today, you about.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
That, I'm on the honor roll.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
That's true, that's true. I wouldn't have a second thought
about it. And I'm like, I'm you know, you play
by the rules, don't tell if I was a guy.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
But you wouldn't consider that as rape. I mean, by
the law, yeah, it is rape.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
I ain't telling. Now, had it been my daughter versus
my son, there's a there's a different dynamic. You know,
I'm gonna put a hurt on the teacher, but if
you know my son, I'm like, let me, let's let's
talk this out.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
We have to talk about this. Don't tell your mama.
A way to go son.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
That's because if it's my son and my son comes
home and tells me that, I wouldn't know how it went. Damn.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Oh, I can't with y'all. I'm so outnumbered.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
I got to know how how to get to this
like exactly. But like every guy when you hear about
these stories come out. No, I haven't met that one
guy outside talking about their own kids. But not one
guy that said, oh, she's wrong for that. That the first,
the first, and that thing. We all know she's wrong
for that, you know, because it's common sense. But that's

(46:24):
not the first ten minutes of thought. It's like, oh,
who told so? Yeah, but yeah, it's always gonna be different.
It's always gonna be different, now, all right? So Eliah
said agent nothing but a number, because I shouldn't use
it herd.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
But you probably should not use her because I'm sure
Kelly was telling her that.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Well he wrote the song right right.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Well, but there's many women that do say that agent
no nothing but the numbers. So does it make a
difference if the let's say, somebody says it in the
twenties versus.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
The forties, say that again, age ain't nothing but a number?
Does it make a difference if if I'm twenty saying
aging't nothing.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
But or like say that developmental age stage versus somebody
who's forty in their forties.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
It depends on who they're saying it to. I guess
that makes a difference.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
But I'm thinking, I'm thinking if I'm thinking if a
twenty year old and I'm looking at it from a
woman from a man perspective. If a twenty year old
woman is saying age ain't nothing but the number, she's
looking at the man as someone who.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Would take care of her.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Bring stability. A younger man, he looking at it as
you know, we're gonna have sex. I'm being and and
and and the reverse. If you look at it as
like a forty year old woman, forty year old woman, AGM.

(48:14):
But number she's she's looking at she has she has
nothing a game from a from a younger.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Man except for sex.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Same thing with the same thing with the forty year
old man. If he's saying ad them but a number,
he's like, it's about sex because she's over the eighty consent.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
So okay, I just you know, I guess you're right,
it's about sex and y'all not having a conversation. But
at some point I would like to have a conversation
with somebody i'm.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
With and that you know, that can hold a conversation.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, at nineteen, I'm just gonna be like, so, what
did you eat today?

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Fruit?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Like what did you? I don't know? Like so yeah,
put grits like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
So I was a to a song today actually the
same I've been rotation by Steely Dan. Right, so there's
a song called He was like, No, we can't dance,
we can't, we can't talk.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
We can't.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
He said, you don't know who Aretha Franklin is.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
We can't talk. Yeah, that's another thing, Like he is
listening to music that I will get in my car
and be like what the hell is and why is
it so loud? This? So it's just like what Yeah,
I guess you're right. It is all about sex. That's
the bottom line. It is all about sex, all right.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Past the Dirty says external pressure with age gaps are tough.
Some couple of space, judgment or assumptions about control, money
and intent.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
We all do it. And that's true.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
We just made the assumptions right the spite race we
listen to they want you for the money or why
are they interested in you? They don't have ship, So
that's the that's the pressure. You know, if you if
you was your friend, you a a female friend those
same age as you, and she says, well, yeah, I'm

(50:04):
dating a guy who's he's twenty.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Whatever, and you would say, what's the first thing that
comes to your mind? Girl, You're gonna get arrested? Seriously,
My first question would.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Be why exactly why what can he do for you?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yeah? Why? Like what what what is going on there? Right? Like?
Like why are you? Why are you doing that?

Speaker 1 (50:24):
So but a guy if I was talking to another
guy he said he was dating somebody who was twenty
You know, my would it wouldn't have nothing to do
with you.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Know why your friends would ask no questions. They would
ask questions.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
They would joke, probably joke about it, but they were
because we it's some people, I know we joke about
the younger guy, I mean younger girls or whatever. But
they're not they're not judging as far as like saying,
you know, why you messing with her?

Speaker 2 (50:49):
She's too young?

Speaker 1 (50:50):
You know, we already know what the what the situation is,
you know, so it's nothing really the question.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
No, we're gonna judge. Yeah, we're gonna judge, and then
once we see him, we might be like, oh that's
why you date. Oh okay, you know, but yeah, I'm
gonna ask why the status? The status, A whole lot
of things make good difference. And I still at sixty one,
might still have the ick like you twenty, you twenty,

(51:18):
I am sixty one.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah, so we see a lot of stuff. Like my
perspective from this came out of social media. I didn't
see all the details, hear all details that came from
the people making commentary in the comedians joking sharing a shark. Right,
So how does the public's opinion change when relationships are
played out on social media?

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I think it's Yeah, I think they change a lot.
So we got to change a lot.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
The Jada Pinkett Smith and Wi right, she dated, well,
she had an entanglement her son's.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Friend, which was so gross and wrong.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
But as a guy, I think more guys were more
you know, they were more critical about her stepping out
on him. Instead of the age difference. It was like, oh,
but that's your that's your son's friend. Yeah, but if
he wasn't your son's friend.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
All right, little biggie, they know that crossed so many lines.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
I think that for me, the biggest line that was
crossed was it was your son's friend. As far as her,
I don't know how o Jada Pinkett Smith is. I'm
assuming she's in her forties.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
She ain't twenty.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yeah, and and the guy is twenty, you know, but
I think there they had a different dynamic there where
they brought him into the fold because they were supposed
to be helping him going through some problems. So it's
almost even worse exactly, So that made it.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
That made it bad for me.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
That makes your predator, yes, yes, and and and a female,
which usually females are not looked.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
At as predators. But that makes your I didn't even
know that part. I didn't even know that that they
had he had joined the family. Yep. Yeah, that makes
it worse.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
He was part of the family. Now you mentioned you
mentioned earlier, Paul that Britney Renner, Yes, she is an influencer. Yes, okay,
so Brittany, yes ahead, this is the thing I was
talking about, clarity versus clout. Was Shannon genuinely curious or

(53:21):
was the interview set up for shock value. That was
talking about like with him and his his young because
remember the whole thing with Monique.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Monique was saying telling him, yeah, and I saw they
played a little clip, but they played a clip of
a couple of celebrities saying to him, you like them young,
lead them young girls alone, that kind of thing. It was,
it was Cat, it was Monique, it was a couple
of other people. Like, so he has a history of
dealing with younger women. So and people are out there
knowing that.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
So it's not it's not he has a history a
lot of.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Them, Yes, the great majority are.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
I think we're pretty much brought him in the spotlight
was only because of this particular incident. And I guarantee
you like a lot of the guys that's out there,
they're not commenting on it because they know it happens.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
And it's common.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Every every superstar, every you know, musician that goes on
tour from the from the fifties on up, had you know,
groupies that they didn't ask the age. They knew they
were groupies and you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
So is that a thing do men like generally not
ask that age? Because I swear if some guy howers
at me, I will look at him and be like,
my damn son's age.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Let me just you know, so for me, I wouldn't
with the age thing that would come up with me
if I you know, because you won't typically ask somebody's
age because one is kind of like you don't ask
a woman's age. But where the question will come in
is what brought me to think that you're asking her. Okay, okay,
so if you know, if you're she.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Said last week she graduated from high school. Ye, that's
why he was like.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
What But like, like, if you have the conversation or
if she approaches you, you know, and in certain mannerisms
or certain things that she does, say you know what,
Oh she's kind of young just by because you really
can't tell a lot of times by the look because
especially with certain women, they look young then most of
them than what they are. Right now, here's my celebrity crush.
Right forget her name because I have to say Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
So I was saying to somebody that that's a celebrity crush.
That's why I like, yes, Jasmine crack He sounds surprised,
are you surprised.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Right, and I thought you wanted to say something else.
I'm surprised though, but I'll get it.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Oh, No, I love her.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I love her so, but somebody was saying to me that, oh,
because she's young, she's not the young.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
So when I had to look it up, and you
really can't tell, by the way, especially black women, you
can't tell.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
So she's like forty something, I was like.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
No, she could whatever.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
So I want to know. Trying to put no guilt
on me.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
She's striking range even if she was in her twenties. Okay,
I don't care, because one just by her position, her status,
you know, she's intelligence and intelligence she can hold, right,
So yeah, you gotta think about things like that.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Now in your your part, that's a little different, so
you have more to to consider.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
I guess. Yeah, I see my son's in jail. Let's
start there, because my sons ain't having it.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
And also for me, For me, I'm a I'm a
very creative person, so I'm basic one. Oh like people
who right do they very social commentary? Okay, you know

(56:55):
even if they if they're not in the age range
that I'm in, I can tell their maturity I can
tell their their intelligence level, and to me, that's attractive
that I'm the same way. I'm the same way, you know,
I value intelligence. Now, back in the day, you know,
we used to say, what was the late girl's name?

(57:16):
She she thought Buffalo's had wings.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Oh you're talking about Jessica Simpson. Ica was not as
dumb as she played, but her her whole person on TV.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
We when she when that was coming out, everybody was like,
oh my god, that's the one for us, you know,
because you know, yeah, we had conversations about that because
at a younger age you always thought that, okay, well.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
As long as she's pretty, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah, and you can you can get over on her.
But when you start getting older, you'd be like, tricks
can we do?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Can you do the taxes or can.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
You You know, it makes a difference, you know. But
if your intent is is strictly sex, right.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Interesting. Yeah, Now, did you did you hear the conversation
that they that she recorded, which makes me think, okay,
so she had a recording of him talking to her
and she kept saying, you're you're you're just trying to
manipulate me, and he said, if you use that word

(58:21):
one more time, but I'm gonna poke the shit out
of youth.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
Was great, that's not funny exactly, So in his particular
situation there, to me, this is my opinion, not of
the podcast, but this is my opinion.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
She set him up because she was like, oh, this
is a payday and you I'm recording this because you
let all that go to and you still found favor
in it afterwards, then you started recording it. Then you
you know, come with.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
All that, And that's my thing, why you recording your
conversation unless there's in the tent exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
So yeah, and it was me a little bit different.
You recorded me. You know, I ain't I'm not a
famous person or anything like that. So there is you
can't there's no intent to, you know, try to take
down this person because I'm gonna get all this money
but him.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
And you can't say that he didn't do these things.
But you also have to question like her motives recording.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Recording, and also you know you might go along. So
here's the thing too, all right, Oh he choked me.
I know many of women who who say choke me,
you know, or you might have that Yeah, you might
have that dynamic in there that that that's how you
do Okay.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
But you know, I'm gonna jump in on that and
just be like he could have done all of those
things and she could have gone along with it out
of fear, could ben. I gotta put that in there.
I gotta put that in there because when you are
in that power play. But I think and he's the
that dynamic, dominating person.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
But it came out a lot earlier only because maybe
not only because of who he is, and now everybody's
jumping out of the woodword trying to get a payday.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Maybe not so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Now now Personally me, I'm just gonna say it like this, Me,
I don't see nothing sexy or sexually attracted by losing breath,
losing air, you know. But but I know a lot
of women who they love that because they like being controlled.

(01:00:36):
So even even as a young age, her being nineteen
or whatever, and she got with him at a at
a gym or whatever, and maybe you know, she's one
of those who like people who want to take control.
And I've seen people status on Facebook but they said,
if I want to make these decisions. Myself, I would
I stay single or you know, in their posts they
make it. You know, they articulated very well that they

(01:00:58):
want somebody who's going to take control. And that's just
on the outside. You don't know what happens behind doors.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
So submissive.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yeah, so that's that's, that's you know, something that to
be considered. But I hope, you know, whatever happens with
his situation, I hope everybody is treated fairly, both in
public and privately.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
And because I would hate.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
For for, you know, if that's not the case of
with with them, that he has to pay out all
these millions and his career is affected, you know by that,
or her if you know, she, you know, was this
victim and you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Know, and we're not believing her because yeah, because that
puts all victims in the cross hairs.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Now, these these allegations or accusations, these are not of
the criminal nature.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Well is it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
It's it's civil the civil complaint, not criminal complaint.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
So so the reason why I say that is because
the reality of it is this, whether whether he has
to pay money or not, Okay, it's gonna die over.
He may not, he may not. The reality is this
is that the Night The Night, Nightcap and Club Shasha

(01:02:32):
still doing major numbers. He may he may not. He
may not be back on ESPN because I know they
was going to offer him his own show on ESPN.
That that may be shelled for a little bit. But
the reality is that after the smoke clears, Okay, you

(01:02:57):
know That's why I asked, was it a criminal No,
it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
It's not a criminal case. It's a civil case. And
actually it could be a criminal case by what she
was saying, so which also brings up the why would
you if you, if you were such a victim, why
and you had the opportunity to do a criminal case
with restitution, why not go that route?

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Well, I'm gonna tell you what the first woman said
that I was reading. She said that she knew that
he had people in very powerful places and that she
could call, she could complain, she could file I think
at one point she did file a police report, and
at one point they did, like not have them on
a couple of shows until, like Paul said, the smoke cleared.

(01:03:40):
And then the smoke cleared and nobody talked about it
anymore and it was done and over with, and he
went on with his celebrity life.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Okay, I can see that. Well she you said, filed
the police report. Yeah, but in the case where even
with jay Z, when that lady tried to pull him
in there, he was like, well, if what you say
is true, file the criminal case, you know, because getting
the risk sent for me. So I think to me
on the outside that that that's a telling tale when

(01:04:07):
it comes to that. But you know, like I said,
who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I don't know. I just want this is my soapbox again,
all right. I just want women, men, whoever is being
sexually assaulted, and you're following these charges, please be real.
Please do not lie on people. Please do not set
people up. Please do not think that you know I'm

(01:04:34):
doing this because I'm going to get this big payday,
because it is just putting everybody who has suffered in
the cross hairs. And this is probably why women have
such a hard time with you know, reporting it, with
reporting it, and with people believing that, you know, don't
accuse somebody of doing something that they didn't do, because

(01:04:55):
it's just hurting all of us. So I'm down, like
my soapbox now without age.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Now I was I would assume. I'm just assuming that
this may be a segue to another episode that touches
on the Cassie and Diddy situation.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Oh you know what, I did want to talk about
that because since the trial is going on, there's a
lot of stuff that comes up that you can actually
start picking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Okay, so as a wealth of stuff that I haven't
been following it because it's just so bad. It is
so bad, and I have not been following it, but
I will catch up so we can do another cast.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Also, I'm going to I want to have an episode
dealing with sexual salt. We talked about it before, so
we want to get some experts and definitely in that
so for you know, to reach people who may have
been a victim of sexual salt and also to talk
to our young people to say, hey, this is not
acceptable and then you do this. You know, we want

(01:05:56):
to educate people at the same time. So that's going
to be coming down the line too. There's another one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
That's kind of another one that that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Kind of touches on what we're talking about today, not
so much well your age, age and sexual assault. So
it's kind of like the segue in there. But yeah,
it was a good, good episode. I think good commentary.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
So we need a day hmmm, Paul, would you like
to give us a word of the day?

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Word of the day? Mm hmm, yes, I give your
word today. This is my quote, this original quote. It's
just why, youse, it's why I tell my women friends. Okay,
allow me to be a serotonin in the daytime. And
you know and your Melton at Night actually put their

(01:06:55):
phrase down there. Okay, you know that, you know that's
the that's the original quote that I'm having to come
out on my online store, right really, so say that again.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Allow me to be your serotonin.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
In the daytime. And okay, okay, we'll talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
That's a T shirt. That is a T shirt. You
need to get that printed.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
It's already printed up, all right, all right, Well, you know,
thank you guys who came in and input on social
media and here and our guests past the dirty dirt
and Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
I'm not going to give him your nickname. Thank you, Paul,
Please don't problem. He does have a nickname.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
By my point, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
I'm so scared.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
It's a childhood name.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Okay, okay, okay, I feel a little better. All right,
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