American Sports: Different Strokes for Different Folks?

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Lea.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Let's get into it. Welcome everyone to another episode of
Hot Topics podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
This is this is men's Night.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Okay. Last time we had ladies was all for the ladies.
We talked about uh body counts. So today we're going
to talk about another trending topic. So a little bit late,
but we're going to talk about the whole situation with
the Shador Sanders and the whole bias in American sports.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
So I have my co hosts here. Introduce yourself Dimitric Cinema,
Dimitrix Cinema, check them out on YouTube under Dimitric Cinema.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
And we have three guests. We have Paul Glass, a
k A. P Diddy, We got Wayne Crespoe, and we
got Travish. Travish, I just wanted to tell you. I

(01:08):
forgot to tell you. Your last name is Glass. Now, okay,
I'm taking your name. You have my last name now, okay,
So everybody he's He's Travis Glass.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
So how you guys doing today? Fell good?

Speaker 1 (01:26):
So I know all all you guys here are sports fans,
and I know you know us, we're all black men,
so we have a stake inness as well. Good you know,
fair amount of opinion on it. I'm gonna start with Paul,
since you're at the top. What did you think about
the draft? Was it last Thursday or last week? What

(01:46):
do you think about the draft?

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Listen, first of all, what they did. Let me first
theme explain this.

Speaker 6 (01:58):
What people don't understand is that the NFL is a business.

Speaker 7 (02:02):
It's the billionaires, a men's club, and when they want
to prove a point or they or they want to
humble a black man or black athlete, this is what
they do.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
So bye bye.

Speaker 6 (02:18):
Not drafting by by not having your door standing.

Speaker 7 (02:21):
This drafted into the fifth round was basically a shot
to his father, Coach Prime.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I think it was a shock to everybody.

Speaker 8 (02:33):
Shot everybody, but more more or less, it was basically
saying to Coach Prime and your door saying is that, hey,
we run this, y'all not coming in here.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
We we we we we run this.

Speaker 8 (02:48):
And you're going, y'all gonna y'all gonna comply, y'all gonna
do how what we want y'all to do.

Speaker 7 (02:53):
Y'all gonna act how we want y'all to act.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
That's what it was.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Okay, what say you, Wayne crispol.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
I got a lot of things say I got about
five major topics. Ain't Number one, the greatest player that
probably ever played the game on both sides of the ball,
Deon Sanders. That was a great disrespect to a perennial
Pro Bowl of a multi Super Bowl winner. You know,
that was probably the best cornerback that ever graced the field.

(03:21):
Number Two, I don't understand how a man that was
for in the running for the Heisman Trophy dropped so far.
Number three, I don't understand how he threw to some
of the best receivers that got drafted this year coming
out of the draft with Horn and with Hunter. If
he if if Horn and Hunter stats were that great,

(03:43):
how could you then not turn around and draft him
high when he was the person that was throwing them
the ball?

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Point good point.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
So that there are several things that I understand. He
also broke a record for percentage in in in the
conference that he was in. I'm pretty sure he can
make it for more than eighty six percent of his shots.
So all of that combined, I just don't understand how
someone don't make it out of the first round, let
alone the top three.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Right, good points, good points? What say you, Travis?

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:17):
So I felt like all thirty two teams wanted to
make a statement when it came to sure right for
every team to pass up on him up until the
fifth round he was he was arguably gonna go number two,
number three. Overall, I felt like it was something behind

(04:37):
the scenes where they wanted to make a statement because
you can't deny his talent that fifth round. He doesn't
have fifth round talent. So I felt like something was
done behind the scenes that they all agreed on to
not drive him to make to make that statement. That's
how that was my biggest thing. Like I was shocked

(04:59):
Pitch very Stiller didn't take him at number twenty one.
They need a quarterback still right now.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
They didn't take him.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
They passed up on a round one, three and four
that was shot to meet personally, still a fan, but
I felt like, you know, they all there was some
something done behind the scenes that it just you can't
do no talent.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I agree, I agree on that. My thing taking it
on it is they was talking about a lot about
uh khaki.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
He was.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
He came with the jury, the cologne and all this stuff.
And the thing about it is, you eighty percent of
those players that got drafted had war drewy, they wore shades,
they you know, I'm sure they came with cologne, they
had the suits on, walking with the big chains or whatever.
When uh Johnny Benzel and uh what's his name got drafted,

(05:58):
they didn't say anything about them with their cockiness. Or
Baker Mayfield, they didn't say nothing about them and their cockiness,
you know. And you know, I'm just leading and pushing
it towards what was said with them, towards it wasn't
said with the other white athletes. So I feel like
it's a combination of what Travis said about they went

(06:22):
behind the scenes kind of gone like you know, oh yeah,
we all gonna agree on this and show this guy.
You know that we you know, I agree about that too.
But I think it's also had race and to a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Okay, So, and it seems like that's a consensus when
it comes to the double standard with black and white
athletes and American sports. So I'm gonna play devil's advocate
real quick on that. Particular topic. So this is what
I got from a couple of people, and they said

(06:55):
one he came out beforehand and said that there's certain
that he was not gonna allow his son to play
for and there was some idea that maybe he would have.
He was sabotaged in some of the interviews, so he
didn't have to play for some of those teams, which
I don't have a problem with that either, because I you,
if anybody saw my my Facebook posts, I was like,

(07:18):
please don't go to the Cleveland Browns. They will ruin
any quarterback that goes there. So you know, that was that.
And then I heard about the one of the interviews.
I'm not sure which one it was. I don't know
if they said it or not, but they said he
came in there, he was unprepared, he had his he
brought his entourage. He was joking, and one of the
guys had the one of the owners, high upper management whatever,

(07:39):
had to take him outside. They said, because he said
the colony had on was was so strong he didn't
think he was gonna be able to speak, you know,
or you know, do the interview. So a lot of
those may have may have affected it. But this is
the one thing I'm gonna say that kind of angered me.
So when he did get he got drafted by Cleveland,

(08:02):
and I don't know if you guys caught this, but
he told whoever he was talking to from the Browns
organization told him that if he works hard, he can
make sure he earns his keep, right, So that rubs
me the wrong way, And I'm like, what draft pick
did you had they ever said that to you? Ever

(08:26):
you drafted somebody and you it's automatically assumed you're going
to earn your keep, like they came in and was
doing him a favor.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
So I had a problem with that.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
So all right, but I.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Just want to say one thing. I'm so sorry interrupted.
I just want to go back to personality. First of all,
he's not the first football player to come off as
confident or hockey right. Second of all, I think his
personality he's I think he's actually exceptionally humble built that
the level of skills and actual talent that he has.

(09:05):
But on the flip side of the coin, I just
think he's indifferent in some aspects and he's nonchalant in others,
and like that can be interpreted as something totally different.
But I think his non chalant appeal or approach, it
comes across like he's cocky. But I feel like he's

(09:25):
more humble than anything. You know, He's never really made
a promise he couldn't keep. He's always been a team player.
He's always put his team first. He's always went out
there and left it on the field, as we would say.
So I've never seen him actually step out of bounds
and not not react as a as a as a

(09:47):
person on the skill level and the and the talent
level that he has, right so, I don't understand why
anybody would look look at him and take that as
being cocky or that being negative. If anything that would
add to a team, that a fuel, and they would
add fired to a team. I know I'm ready to
go through hell and back if I have a player
look like that on my team, right exactly, So, a

(10:07):
lot of guys that got drafted that I wouldn't want
to I would care less, they wouldn't even matter on
a team with me, But door standards will because he
sets the standard. He's a leader. He's not one of
those outspoken guys. He leads his speaking on the field.
I mean he speaks by actions, not by words. So
for me, that would be the greatest asset to a team.

(10:29):
And that's what I couldn't understand.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Okay, so why they didn't pick so any of you guys,
you think that there's a definite, defined disparity when you
talk about the the personalities of black athletes, where one
a black athlete may be considered cocky, whereas the white
athlete may be considered confident.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
Oh, definitely, definitely, definitely because if you if you think
about it, look look at the words they use. Right
when it come to the black athlete, is arrogance. Right
when it comes to the white athlete, it's bravado.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Right.

Speaker 9 (11:07):
So, so listen, so listen to the narrative. Right, So,
Dimitri said that I don't know who said it.

Speaker 7 (11:22):
He's not the first, He's not the first athlete that
came into an interview draft interview with an entourage with
with with with chains on.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
In fact, all of them do it, even the white athletes. Right.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
So they said, even mentioned something about having his hat
turned backward.

Speaker 6 (11:42):
Jackson Dark had his hat turned backwards about that, right?

Speaker 7 (11:46):
So so so so I want I want to point
this out. See and in particularly I want to talk
about the Giants, right, the Giants were never going to
draft your door anyway because they all have old Miss connections, right,

(12:07):
So the narrative had to spend that way to justify
them taking Jackson Dark because Brian Dayball, the head coach,
he got connection with old Miss. Remember eli got connection
with old miss. Somebody's son is because the players down
the old Miss. So they already had in their mind

(12:29):
that it don't matter, we're going to depict Jackson Jackson Dark.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
So when when when? And now listen to New York.
This this the media.

Speaker 7 (12:38):
So they got they had to spend it that way.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
They have to spend that he wasn't prepared.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
His father is Dion Sanders, the most prepared, the most
prepared by athlete of our time. You don't think that,
you don't think that this man has has coached him
up to be prepared for each and everything that goes on,
told him about the draft process, how to treat himself,

(13:09):
how to carry himself, how to handle the white board.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
So all that was a spin.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
All that was a spin.

Speaker 7 (13:18):
So so you can leak that stuff to make it
seem like, oh well, that's why they wouldn't pick him.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
It's not done that way with white athletes.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
They praised white athletes for having Oh this guy is
he he's he has bravado. Oh man, he has swagger.
But but see when when a black athlete is confident,
it's a it's egotistical.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
I also, I also want to bring up a point
during the era when you spoke on the you spoke
on the athourage. Man. Ever, since they don't want to
see like more than five of us in one space.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
Facts, that's correct.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
So once again, it's a whole nother racial element. So
people asked, there's several things that could point out that
can speak to the racial element. It is because a
lot of people, I think they want to overlook that
or water that down. And I don't know what they
want to do, but there's definitely a high level of
racial elements in this entire situation.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Right. So, now we talked about the the I guess,
the stereotypes when it comes to black athletes and white athletes,
and you know their abilities and their personalities, well actually
a personality, but we're talking about their abilities. Now, this
is for this is for Travis. Let me give you
an example. So we got black quarterbacks like Lamar Jackson
and Cam Newton. They were always praised for the athleticism, right,

(14:44):
but they get questioned on their leadership or intelligence. Whereas
the white athletes, the quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning,
they're basically praise for their football IQ. So my question
is why do these narratives persist and how do they
how do they affect the draft decisions or or the
media freemen.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
You got to think about it, like that's the most
important position in football.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
When you're the quarterback, you like the face of the franchise.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
So when you got face of the franchise, if you're
if you're a black guy like Cam Newton, you gotta
be You gotta stay clean. You gotta be clean. You
can't make no mistakes just about and so when you
come out start being cocky. Look at how his career
ended in Carolina, Like you're not gonna get too many

(15:34):
more chances versus another quarterback who come off the same way.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Whether or not you have that, but.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Look to speak to that. Look, man, it don't matter,
It really don't matter if you do or you don't.
You could you could go out like Mike Vick, or
you can go out like Randall Cunningham. You could be
the best the game. You can go out like RG three.
RG three was squeaky clean. But look how he was done,
you know what I mean. They didn't even give him
a line. The boy got hurt. They still trying to
put him out there in the field, which ultimately Randall

(16:08):
Cunningham never really had a line. He always had to scramble.
He was always the best quarter back in that era,
but you would never know it because he didn't either
have the receivers on the line of boats.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
So maybe again, maybe that's that stereotype where they say, well,
we got a black quarterback back there, and you know,
he has this this super athleticism. Maybe we could just
focus on the skill players and not the line, whereas
you know, some of the white quarterbacks they could just
they could just yeah, they could just smart that way through.
They're so intelligent they can just pick without the you know,

(16:43):
I go ahead, Paul.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
So I got a problem with Tom Brady, and I.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Don't know how.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
I don't know how, but I'm about to tell you how.
I'm about to tell you how Tom Brady and Paul
you probably heard this. It got out that Tom Brady
was telling them not to pass on on uh Shador,
telling the Raiders not to draft, not to draft Shador.

(17:12):
And he's supposed to be his godfather, his mentor all
these years or whatever. So I also heard he told others,
you know, got he told other teams like, hey, you know,
I wouldn't you know, talking to other you know skeletus,
I wouldn't draft him or whatever. You know, why you

(17:32):
mentored him? This is my dion'sposed.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Problem with that. Not to interrupt you, this is my
problem with that. Why would they listen to him?

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Because he's time terrific? Are you talking about the other team?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know?

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Why would the owners listen to him? Versus said, good question.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
I think it wasn't to the owner.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
It was to the Raiders, the Raiders organization because he's
a you know, minority owner or whatever. Which is still
like you said, you're if you're mentoring somebody, you would
think that you're you know, you're using your skills, you
know how you whatever to bring this guy along, and
then you go back to him like that.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I feel like Dean felt some kind of way when
he heard this.

Speaker 7 (18:20):
Listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it something playing all
that is good, and and and and you're right, Dimitrix,
that if Tom Brady was his mentor, and and and
and was helping him train, you know that if he
did that, that was fouled. But I'm gonna tell you
the football field is the modern day plantation. Okay, all

(18:44):
the slave owners, old school. If you look at all
these if you look at all the teams, mostly like
the established team, the older teams is family run teams, right,
old o old money right okay, And and and they

(19:05):
and they believe what they believe. They they they first
of all, they wouldn't even allow us to play quarterback.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Do you know how many.

Speaker 7 (19:13):
Individuals did not get the opportunity to play professional quarterback
in the NFL because they're biased. They said that the
NFL the black quarterback was not intelligent enough to play
the position.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
Moved to a cornerback, right.

Speaker 7 (19:33):
So, so, so what happens is this they praised, they
see and so in their evaluation what they do, that's
where their evaluation is obscured. And that so many teams
still still losing because they still if you notice the evaluations,
they always talk about you gotta be big strong arm

(19:56):
in the pocket right there. That that's cold word for
white quarterback.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
See that's exactly.

Speaker 7 (20:02):
But but they but but see they can't. They can't
say that. So they gotta they gotta put these oh
big strong arm measurable. He makes all the wild throws.

Speaker 6 (20:13):
Don't get while don't win you games. Now why though,
let me tell you something. All that stuff forget you fired.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
But but see what happens. But then they say, the
first thing.

Speaker 6 (20:23):
You talk about black quarterback, oh, hey, he has tremendous
athletic ability. They never say.

Speaker 7 (20:30):
They never say he has tremendous football i Q. He
reads the defense, he knows where to go with the football.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
They never say that. The first thing.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
They say is his athletic prowess, his speed.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
When they was talking about Jason Milroe, all they kept
saying was, man, he can run, he can run.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
So what do you think? What do you think about?
Deion Sanders said when he interviewed for his pre draft interview,
he was interviewed by the Giants and they wanted him
to take a written test before they went on. And
he said where, he said, where where do you guys
pick he's at? I think they was picking fourth or fifth.
He was like, I'm not even gonna be available then,
so he got up and less. But do you think

(21:18):
that's inherently insulting and biased?

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Okay, look, let's go back to Tom Brady. Tom Brady
know exactly what Tom Brady is, an intelligent human being,
slash quarterback, athlete, whatever, you know, what he looking at
when you look at your door. Of course he wants
your door shit fucked up, because if Shador lives up
to his potential, he would he clipse tom Brady. You

(21:44):
wouldn't even when they talk about when did they talk
about the new guy I want to talk about the NFL,
they won't even mentioned Tom Brady. If Shador is able
to unleash his actual skills, his actual talent, with a
decent team.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Or a decent line where he doesn't have to run
for his life, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
All right.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
So, and we talked about how everybody kind of views it.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Whatever. We're gonna talk about scandals now mine you know,
mentioning Shaudor has never been in any scandal, but we're
gonna talk about scandal and media coverage. So I'm gonna
kind of give you an example, and we don't need
to go too far but compare how Michael Vick was
treated after the dog fighting conviction and ray I don't

(22:32):
even you know what, Forget Michael Vick, let's say Ray
Rice because.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
So but Ray Rice was never.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Really convicted, but he was blackballed and he never got
an opportunity to get back in the NFL. Right, and
maybe he was the first one that, uh, you know,
made the headlines. I guess he wanted the first one
to get in trouble. He was the first one that
got in the headlines. So now now compared that to
not And I wanted to talk about ray Rice because

(23:05):
he never got convicted. He never you know, basically it
was whatever. But versus Ben Roethlisberger, who's a white guy
from you know, my team. You know when he had
the sexual assault allegations, so you know, he was he
was suspended a few, a few games whatever and took
a small hit, but he was able to go on
and he's gonna be a Hall of Famer. Whereas ray Rice,

(23:27):
that was that was the last time he set foot
on the field outside of coming back to be recognized.
So why the difference in the narratives and the public forgiveness.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
The main excuse is they're gonna use that they're used
in the right situation, is.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
That it was on It was on camera, was.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
On camera, and it was a beautiful woman. Okay, they
didn't really care about the woman because you know, they
don't really care about black women. That was a double standard. Okay,
they really cared about it being on camera. That's all that.
And then blow that out of a portion. He wasn't
on camera.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
Okay, okay, if it wasn't on camera.

Speaker 7 (24:09):
First I want to say, ray Rice is the NFL
is a black ghost.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
We ain't see him.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
Since we ain't see him a ghost, he never got secnd.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Well that's a good point though, like you can go
another after that. No, no, no, So what happened was
they was going to say I guess they was gonna
suspend them, because that's what they said. They were gonna
give him a certain amount of days I mean, not
these but since suppending him for the yes, then the
video came out and then it was like, uh, uh,

(24:46):
we see you when you see you. So but think
about all the other athletes that had gotten into trouble,
like all right, we don't have to go too far.
Look at what happened to Baltimore Ravens kicker, Justin Justin Tuck,
Jason Tucker.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
And look what happened to Watson, Deshaun Watson, same ship.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Help help Baker Mayfield was on camera?

Speaker 7 (25:08):
Was Baker Mayfield was on camera when he got arrested
for for the d u Y.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
I didn't see that blown up right right?

Speaker 7 (25:19):
He got he got arrested, He got arrested at Oklahoma
for the d u Y.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
They had it was you've seen the video.

Speaker 7 (25:28):
Not only did not only did they just did they
disregarded his then they loved his antics on the field,
all that nonsense he was doing.

Speaker 6 (25:38):
He won the hidsman.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
He That's what I'm saying, Like, the narrative is always
the black when you when when you equate black, it's
always negative.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
It's a negative connotation.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
So that's the you think, that's why that in the
the public realm that they're least likely to forgive a
black athlete versus a white athlete.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
No, hold on, we don't even want to go into
forgiveness when it comes down to the black athlete. Let's
start here. Look at what Brett farm did when he
ripped off the college up. Oh, they didn't even want
to talk. They didn't even want to talk about him.
Dana White beat his White up in the club. They
didn't want to talk about that. You see Steven A.

(26:28):
Smith talk about it. He like he you know, he
was pushed in a dark room and forced the you know,
the school gut one over or something or.

Speaker 10 (26:36):
Or remember or remember when Josh Giddy, Remember Josh Giddy
would messing with the under raged girls. Remember, but then,
but then when, but then when they Brandon Miller from Alabama,
he's now with the Charlotte Hornets.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
He was talking about the little gun thing or whatever.
They made a big fuss about that. They was talking
about that man. When Josh Giddy name came up, it
was quiet. Crickets.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Ain't nobody heard about nothing about it.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
That's like John Moran, John Moran, you know, he was
caught waving a gun. Okay, it's not the most intelligent thing,
but I mean it's not the worst thing in the world.
The man can't even wave his hand like the gun
without it being blown out of a portion of him.
Getting to find what part of that is illegal, I
don't know, because it's been done before. It just don't
make any sense. But when it comes down to black athletes.
There's this triple double standard that's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Right, Oh, okay, when did somebody mentioned Colin Kaepernick earlier?
Who was?

Speaker 4 (27:34):
I was?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (27:35):
So all right, Now Colin Kaepernick got his thing because
he spoke out on social issues. Now, he peacefully protested
racial injustice and was essentially black ball from the NFL. Meanwhile,
white athletes who spoken on political or social issues, example
Aaron Rodgers on his COVID policies, they often maintained contracts

(27:58):
and endorsement deals. To mention, who was the other one?

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Your guy for the forty nine ers? Nick Bosa?

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Nick Bosa? Yes, he jumps in on a on an
interview with his mega hat on and says what he said,
go Trump or Trump?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Rights, okay, Soway to shine from the game.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Why is black protests often seen as divisive but not
white descent.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Because it's not a part of the white agenda? And
what the NFL is a white agenda that that is
white corporate America, that is white billionaire dollars. And then
so look, I'll tell you, like this, the whole double
stentard of like the idea of coaches, there was there
was no, no surgeons are there was no There wasn't

(28:46):
a big outcry about black UH coaches a few years back.
Now that there is, there's like a lot of black
coaches in the league, but that's strategic away from the
idea of there being black owners. Yeah, millions of players.
So in saying instead of pushed us into the ownership position,
you said, you know what, we could keep them still

(29:09):
on the field and make them coaches because there's not
that many black coaches. But at the same time, there's
no power of being a coach, you know what I'm saying.
When it comes down to these huge decisions and the
drafts and stuff like that, the power is in the ownership.
So we usually get forced and push into a position
to highlight it in a position of little to no power.

(29:29):
I mean, we get the celebrity status that we get
to millions of bucks, but we're not on a billion
dollar level and we don't have the ultimate power.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
So do you think that when they let me hit
trap us on this one? So do you think that
there's a triggering effect when a black athlete says anything
when it comes to protesting.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Furgerand effect or.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Towards like say, or mainstream I.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Do because you know they we don't have. Any black
athlete doesn't necessarily have that freedom of speak. You can't
speak your mind in the sport or how you feel,
how you really feel about it, you have.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
It's an agenda you have to teach. I feel like
you know when when.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
You start bringing in your personal feelings and you want to,
I mean Colin Kaepernick is the prime exaptly he was
speaking in his mind.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
He was, you know, like what.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
He personally, how he personally sees the NFL going all
the way back to the NFL Combine and all that.
These are his feelings on how he personally felt, how
he viewed it, his opinion. Like, we can't express every
opinion that comes to mind.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
I feel like Lebron.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Told Lebron to shut up and dribble.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
How about any I don't know if you guys remember.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Craig what guess what Lebron shut up in trouble, Yeah,
he did it.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
How about how about Craig Hodges from in the n b.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
A Greg Hodges.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
Craig Hodges, great example, yep, my mood ad.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
That's right, yep, you can you can name him like
an except in every sport except.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
For what's crazy about it. Those those men were in prime.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
When they were taking down Yes, yeah, that's the most still.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Went into three point championships when he and he was
winning championships with the Bull, when he was taking.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
That absolutely a woof was let me tell you, was
lighting up Michael Jordan game.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
But listen, listen, I love m J. But I'm just
I'm just keeping it. I'm just keeping it a buck, right.
You know, he was, he was in his prime.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
He was he was probably the most i mean exposed
to score.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
That was he was probably the best shooter I have
had at that time, had ever seen sure shooter.

Speaker 7 (32:13):
Yes, he was at when he was at l s U,
when he was Chris Jackson, man, he was lightened. He
was lightening college basketball. I've seen the game when he
played m J. He was lighting MJ. He gave m
J thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
How about uh Muhammad Ali.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
They hated Muhammad Ali.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
And they they killed him in his prime, you know,
not physically killed him, but they took him out of
the out of the boxing in his prime.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Now prior to him, prior to him.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
They did, they did.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
They did.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
So I mean it seems like there's a there's a
trend towards you know, black athletes when they speak out
on certain and I don't know Mike Tyson and speak
out on social issues, but the rest of them did
in that prime.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
But for everything that Mike Tyson didn't speak up for,
he was out there the streets producing. He was amongst
the people. Lack of Muhammad Ali. He was literally actually
getting the gutter, taking care of people that you would
never think of the people.

Speaker 7 (33:15):
The people love Mike Tyson. And and I'm gonna tell you,
I'm gonna tell you this.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
See when you when you're in a country.

Speaker 6 (33:21):
Where they they call you super predator.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
When they use them terms super.

Speaker 6 (33:28):
Super predator, you already.

Speaker 7 (33:30):
Know, you already know what time it is, because what
you're dealing with is white fear. Yes, white fear. Okay,
the white fear. Then, first of all, they're envious of
of of of our of our natural gifts and abilities.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
So so they don't want to claim that we're intelligent.

Speaker 7 (33:51):
You know, they already they already down on the athletic
They already you know, lose it on on that end.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
So of course, the narrative, if.

Speaker 7 (34:00):
It's always well, let's let's let's let's point out these
the negatives.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's that's uh. Let's let's uh clarify these negatives.

Speaker 7 (34:11):
Make sure that people know that, hey, these athletes, yeah,
they may be athletic and things like that, but they
don't do this, they don't do that. They can't do this,
they can't do that, which is totally false. It's just
a narratives created by white fear. They want to they
want to perpetuate fear among people, and in their minds,

(34:31):
all they say is all they think is these athletes
are only good for one thing, and that's to entertain
the people.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
That's why they attacked out the black athletes off the
field stuff because of what you just said. They strike.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
To speak on the white fear. White fear was created
by the things they were done. It's the karma, it's
the it's the three hundred and sixty degree effective of
what they've done prior. You know, you sat down a
situation that you've done something to the people, and then
when these people begin to just stand up for themselves,
not retaliate, but not what you've done to them. But

(35:12):
when they just speak up or say something about what
you're doing and what you have been doing and get
away with for years now, over four hundred years. Now,
then is a problem why because they see America it's turning,
you know what I mean, Their death rates is up.
Not only their death rates is up, but other ethnicities
are coming over here, and our birth rates are other

(35:35):
ethnicities outside of the white race ethnicity birth rates are up.
So that puts them in the corner. Now one percent
is coming less than one percent? And so how could
they sustain the power? And it's that's what it's all about. Ultimately,
It's all about sustaining power.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
So all right, now, recently, now I think Dimitris and
now was talking about this. I think maybe you might
have jump the name we were talking about, uh, Draymond
Green and the stephen A. Smith thing and with uh
what's his name? Westbrook? Michael Westbrook? Right, okay, so.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
They called him a snitch.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
So okay, now I want to touch on this part too,
because now we're talking about emotions and aggression and this
is basketball. Draymond Green, you know, black NBA players always
labeled as out of control, a dirty while like Grayson
Allen has a history of dangerous plays, but off their
frame as competitive or feisty, right Bill, Oh oh, that's

(36:42):
the classic one now. And also it was said, uh,
what's the guy used to play for Utah?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
The guard John style?

Speaker 1 (36:55):
It was the same way. So why are black athletes
penalized more harshly for the same behaviors?

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I think that goes back to what Paul was saying
about the UH that the UH or the physical gifts
more athletic.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Well, let me let me say that, I'm an reframe them.
I'm sorry, are black athletes penalized more harshly for the
same behaviors?

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Okay, look example, then.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, when he when he wore a wedding dress, did
Dennis deserved a lot of that though, So but you didn't.
You could think of it like the penalties, you know,
And it goes back to society, I guess. Now, there

(37:47):
was a study that a long time ago where they
did a social experiment and he asked the I guess,
a group of people to look at the kids and
look for bad behavior. But really the camera was actually
focused on their eyes to see who they were looking at.
So as a group of kids, in like ninety percent

(38:08):
of the time, they were actually focused on the black children.
So do you think that implicit bias that they're in
society is carrying on strongly in sports.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Let me let me have that one hundred percent. Yes, Look,
there's a system of being on cod in white society too.
You know what I mean. I'll give you a prime
example that'll speak to what you just talked about. Okay,
there was a situation there was a young black kid.
He was a little mentally disable as some of the
other kids at the school that he was going to,

(38:42):
predominantly white school, they were knocking over his trade and
messing with the school and stuff. So when it came
down to like the parents finding out about it, they wanted,
you know, they wanted to bring attention to the situation.
So when the white parents of those children found out
about it, the first thing they said was how they
wanted to do stuff for the kids and taking places

(39:04):
like take them out the ead and take them the
theme parks and stuff. But what they did say was
we need to punish the white kids that did those acts,
those heinous acts. And so that's what it is. So
when it comes down to the leagues, all of the leagues,
they have a code of protection. They get on cold

(39:26):
when the white athletes do something they don't even if
you talk about it and you're a host on ESDN,
you might lose your job, right, And they talked that forgive, forgive.
They just recently did it with the little white boy
that that called that prank called Shador sentence. You know,
they tried to make it see, oh it was an
innocent prank. Well if it was so innocent, why did

(39:48):
you target Shador? Why did you target one of the
white players or a Hispanic player, any player? Why was
it Shador?

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
So they okay, they just they get they get a pass.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Now I'm gonna go back.

Speaker 7 (40:07):
I just won't go back and touch on the Michael
Vick thing right now now, and this in this society,
what they preached, they preached that everyone deserves a second chance.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Right.

Speaker 7 (40:22):
That's that's what they say. That's what they say now.
Michael Vick, whatever the crime was, he served his time.
He did his time, right, he did his time.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Not only did he do his time, he came back.

Speaker 7 (40:37):
He joined organizations talking against dog violence, He donated money,
he went he he he came back, got a second
chance in the NFL. Then, not only that, he became
a model citizen, he was an analyst on sports shows.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
But you know what, every time.

Speaker 7 (41:02):
That he makes a stride or say, for instance, I
remember when he first got the position at I think
Fox Sports, I don't know what it was, comments were
still twenty five years later, man, that's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
He shouldn't be allowed to do this.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
He shouldn't be allowed to do that. He should be
He should ride in jail, he should do that.

Speaker 7 (41:29):
This is twenty five years later when he became coach
of Norfolk State.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
Same comments.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
Black athletes, black people in general do not get the
same type of forgiveness or past that white athletes and
even white people get.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
That's just the way it is in this country.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
So okay, that that was that was a handful. Do
you think optics play a role that, you know, the
way it looks on a particular sport. Because you can
bring up the Ray Rice thing with domestic violence, but
then you can also mention that, you know, Julian Edeman,
you know, and what was the other guy? There was
another guy, but Julian Edeman had those issues. There's other

(42:22):
players that had issues with those things. Do you think
maybe it's the optics of it all. You know, like
I know when you mentioned the video thing.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
To me, when you said optics, think but with us,
with us, they bring the optics in. If there's no video,
you're gonna get you know, twenty four hour press over
and over again, every hour on the hour on ESPN,
on on Fox News. You know, like I said, it's
a good old or on cold you know, get along

(42:52):
the situation. Okay, So they're gonna push you to the forefront.
It might not even be a big deal. You might
get a speeding ticket for a prime example, Tek killed
in Miami when he got pulled over. You know, they
made it a big deal. They blew it out of abortion.
They made it seem as though he had assaulted himself.

(43:14):
When the officers snatched him out in the car, he
literally was explaining to himself. He explained why he kept
his window roll.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Though.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Then when they pulled him out of the car and
they snatched him out in the car, he explained to
them he just had searcher on his knee. They didn't
care got fired. That wasn't That wasn't the narrative. The
narrative was why didn't he comply or why did he
have a better attitude or why why you know, why
was he upset or why was he yelling? He was
yelling because they created the atmosphere. It's the agitation game.

(43:45):
If I if I spind on you in a dark
hallway and then I run down the hallway into a
room that's well lit full of people, and you started
punching me in my face. Who you think, Donna look crazy?
You see what I'm saying. And so, and that's the game.
That's that's the game that's going to play once again.
It's a good old boy on code game, you know.

(44:06):
And then to back it up, you got the media
that that you know, the Boys Club game. Hey this guy,
you know he got caught doing this. Well, we need
to run that every hour on the hour on ESDN
for like a whole month.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
So now we see a lot of the disparities here too.
But we talk about things like representation right, Like say,
somebody mentioned Lebron shut up and dribble, right, So black
athletes like Lebron James, for some reason, are expected to
do you think that they're expected to take social stands,

(44:40):
support communities and be role models. Meanwhile, white stars like
Tom Brady aren't asked to comment on political or racial
issues despite their influence. Do you think that's an unfair
or strategic thing that's being done.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Absolutely, white athletes don't go through what black athletes and
black people go through in our community. Okay, so of course,
white all Tom Brady has to do is wave his
hand and say something, and then everybody's on board. When
you're black, the media is against you, the world against you,
the legal systems against you. You know, sometimes your own

(45:15):
people are against you. So it's a different.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Dynamic, that's true.

Speaker 7 (45:22):
And then and then, just just like just like Wayne
was saying, the social issues that black athletes have to
deal with is vastly different than what white athletes has
to go through.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Now, white athletes they they're.

Speaker 7 (45:41):
In support of autism or or cerebral palsy.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Black athletes dealing with.

Speaker 7 (45:49):
You, uh, brutal crimes, law enforcement, you know, just a
whole bunch of different things.

Speaker 6 (45:56):
It's it's totally different.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Mmmm.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
So that I'll give you a prime example. I give
you a prime example. Warren sat before the Super Bowl.
He got caught with a lady in the night.

Speaker 7 (46:07):
You know what, I mean immediately, he didn't.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
He didn't even let him out to go. Robert Kraft,
the owner of the Patriots, right after the Super Bowl
blew down the Tampa Bay, had him a lady tonight.
You never seen the mug shot?

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Nothing right, you're right, you're right about that.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Ain't got that. Robert Craft got that happy ending.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
And guess what. Guess what. I didn't hear Steve talking
about it either.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Oh yeah, please don't mention Stephen A.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Smith.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I got an issue with Steven A. Smith, the son
of that name.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
I didn't hear Charles Barkley talking about Oh he's an idiot.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
So you so you're saying that, you know, we get
an unfair view, even by our own when it comes to.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
People trying to hide line.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Okay, I'm high.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah. So we'll get it. We'll get it from the
little coonies up there on ESPN and in the little
boots at Fox or whatever. We'll also get it from
from outside the race as well, but sometimes we get
it harder from the people inside the race. Look look
at look at the way. Look at the way that
Stephen A. Smith destroyed Alan Everson's whole heeded image. Ye,

(47:24):
looking the way he went on Kwamie Brown for years.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yeah, yeah, Kyrie, Irvin Kyrie. He attext Kyrie irving like
it's going out of style.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
That might have had Kyrie didn't even break along. He
didn't even break along.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Exactly right, exactly listen.

Speaker 7 (47:43):
I posted something on threads the other day right in
regard to the door Sanders situation. I had, I kid
you not. I had about four thousand responses. About half
of them was from black men who were trying to
tell me all the reasons why should door standers they

(48:07):
were they were justified and not dragging him. Why he
needs to be humble? Oh he oh he he played
in the weak conference.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Chris, Yeah, Chris.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Talking about that. I didn't hear it was he was?
He more or less talking about that it was his
father's fault, Deon Sanders fault for how things happened.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
More or less he took from my understanding, you know
what I mean. He was basically defending the league. You
know what I mean? He was like worn down defending.

Speaker 6 (48:46):
The league, and I was like, wow, he was.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
He to look at his position also and where he is,
Like I said before, he don't have that freedom of speech.
He can't really speak on how he really feels. He
hasn't agenda that he has to go by.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
No, no, no, I gotta strongly disagree. You've got the
freedom of speech, You've got the opportunity and the right
to defend yourself. But it depends on what you're gonna
do for that dollar and being loyal to your to
your to your to your your ethnicity. So you're gonna
get up there with the suit money.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
So money matters, money matters.

Speaker 6 (49:24):
They change, Okay, they're gonna ex strange for that change.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
So, speaking of money, look at Sharp when he had
that big blow up with what's the white guy name?

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Uh sterling Shark even said something about that.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
But you know what's so sad about that? You know
what's I'm sad about that? He was him at the
mouth when he was going to fight John Morant father.
But that white man stood right across the desk from him,
and he didn't do that. I think he even put
his glass.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
He did.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Selective and then he said there. Yeah, he cried on
the last damn show Man talking about how he was
gonna miss being on the show kissing his ass.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
And to be honest, I watched the show and it
really wasn't had nothing to do with Skip Bayless because
to me he was kind of boring. But Shannon Sharp
I appreciated him as a on that show because he
always told it like.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
It was exactly the Colin Kaepernick in his mouth.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
They came down to being disrespected.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Exactly right right.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
It's it's easy to tell. It's easy to talk about
sports statistics and keep it in between the lines of
the field, but when it comes to the personal attacks
and the and the Blake racism is really real hard.
That money making, you know, you know, it made him
at least it made him feel like, you know, I
gotta water this down. I got a shocking job a

(51:06):
little bit.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Yeah, I think what what pushed him over the.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Top was at a basketball game, you ready to bust
another black man.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Over Lebron James.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Well, I think what what did it for Shannon Sharp
on that show was the fact that he kept going
at his legacy. You know, he kept saying, well, you
couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
You know her, and he he kind of has a
habit of doing that too. Yes, when he ever he
did it with a what was another athlete that came
on the show. Richard Sherman, was it, Richard?

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Chris Carter did it? Chris?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
That's right, Chris Carter, that's like him. Uh and uh
And I don't know. I don't think Skip Ball has
ever played football or laced up some cleats, so you know, like,
but but you but he find.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
It so honest. I'm glad you said that. I don't
mean to interrupt you apologize. I'm glad you said that.
Or they to even speak on a sport. See should
a sharp should have been in the Skip Baylor's position.
All the rest of them guys who've never played the sport.
They don't even deserve to be up there. You got

(52:20):
do you understand this? You got a Tom Brady, You
got people like that out there that are qualified, over qualified,
Ray ray Lewis. Ray Lewis can break it down the
game on both sides of the ball ed reed Kin too,
but you have never seen them put a micro up
to them and give them them a show.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
I'm glad you said that, Wayne, because Richard Sherman and
Skip Baylis was doing undisputed. You don't know, Richard Sherman,
I guess you know, after all that thing that happened,
with him and Skip.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
That was that was Richard Sherman problem. You can't win
with right.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
But on on Undisputed, he was telling him, what you
just made a point about about Skip, you didn't play football.
I think they was talking about a certain hit that
was going on or whatever. And uh, Skip was like,
I think they should ban it out, you know, and
this and that and Skip and Richard, how the player
is supposed to not hit you in motion? It was

(53:18):
something like right, and uh, Richard got mad and he
was like, Skip, you ain't never played football. You Wayne
just said, you know you can't speak on.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
That, right. So yeah, well and that that that brings
it back to you know why, that's why you had
those athletes on the show to give it some credibility,
because you're gonna bring somebody who who can actually articulate
how things are. They can bring that expertise.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
And you still you still downplay their their knowledge of
the game.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Right, there's the games can't speak to Skip Bayliss don't
know how it is to get your bill and have
to pull up the courage to go back on the
field and keep victorious. Skip Baylis have never been in
the game where like you're losing, you're down by x
amount of point. You're the leader. Everybody's looking at you

(54:13):
to figure something out to win the game. Skip Vielis
have never had those experiences. Only people that can speak
from those experiences, those who've been on the field. Skip
Baylis have never touch the victory of a Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
True, you know, which is one of the reasons why
Charles Barkley don't like Skip Bayless because he speaks on
something stuff he don't. You know, you can't break down
just because you watch it or the games or whatever.
You didn't play basketball, you didn't play football. Okay.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
So now even speaking on media, right, and we talked
about some of the things we touched on this a
little bit earlier about off field behavior. Now here's my example,
Alan Iverson. Everybody knew Ai right was heavily criticized for
his lifestyle, his dress, even while you know, performing at
the Hall of Fame level. Right, Ai hall of Famer. Now,

(55:03):
contrast that with Johnny Manziel, white guy in the NFL
who's all field partying, the drugs, the alcohol. You know,
it was often right, but he also was They portrayed
him as just being immature or reckless, not criminal, whereas
Alan Iverson it was like it was always that criminal

(55:24):
element that they would touch on some some sort of way.
So how does or or I'm want to say, how
do you think the media tone differs based on race?

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Like toned down the white athlete?

Speaker 1 (55:37):
No, the tone, the way they talk or way they
mention different.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Things when it comes to absolute right, Yes, I'm wing
like this.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
They yes they do. It's always a double triple standard.
Like I always said, But the flip side of that
coin is off. Didn't have to point the finger at
us because we have black athletes. And I'm not gonna
say no names Lebron James, these white shows that give
credibility to these white shows. But you'll never see him

(56:13):
on a it is what it is. You'll never see
him on a show sitting down talking with Kwame Brown,
or you'll never see him on the show talking to Carsino,
you know what I mean. But you'll see him, you know,
talking to skip bailists and everybody else is white.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Now do you think do you think that's.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
We give them? We give them credibility and credentials.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Yeah, we give them now, But do you think do
you think that has to do with more or less,
the uh, the the size of their audience when it
comes to like say Skip Baylifts or what's the other
guy that be.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
A kicker justin Pat McAfee. Pat McAfee, Yeah he supports
Lebron Pat McAfee, but not sharp.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Those listen, listen, those guys have that show? Are those
shows to talk about Black people like us? We make
their shows. If they don't talk about how we perform,
they have no show, and then we make We give
them even more credentials and more credibility when we go
on their shows. So if we want to see a

(57:23):
change in what we how we're seen and viewed in public,
we need to go on black shows that have a
black perspective that will give us a good look from
our perspective and get on code with us. Until we
do that, they're always gonna be able to destroy our character.
They're always gonna be able to to put out stories

(57:44):
that'll that will catch when and and help us lose endorsements,
help us lose deals. You know what I mean, because
we put them on that level by going on their
shows and boosting their ratings.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Okay, so I am a I'm gonna end up with
this question is this question is for all of you.
I'll call you you know, so we don't have anybody
talking at the same time. Given these disparities that we
talked about, what role should media play, fans play, and
institutions play and pushing for equity? So I'm gonna start

(58:19):
with the I'm gonna start with view Wayne, what what
roles should they play in pushing for equity with sports, media,
fans and the institutions.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
What do you mean by pushing my equity like helping
the athletes and entertainers to produce funds.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Yeah, to level the playing field, even when it comes
to perceptions, when it comes to punishment, when it comes
to you mentioned ownership, things like that. What can what
should media, fans and the institutions being the NFL, MLB, NBA,
what should they be doing to push equity?

Speaker 4 (59:00):
They should be encouraging the actual athletes that frame the
potential to the game. You know if in other words,
look you if you know you have an audience and
you know you can influence and push the needle. When
you have a person like a Shador Santas, he didn't
get drafted high, he should be on every ESPN Sport

(59:24):
Center show that that is, you know what I mean,
they should be pushing them to the forefront. His jerseys
are already number three, and that's probably breaking the record
because that's the lowest person that's probably ever been drafted
with a top three jersey.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Again, so yeah, I think he hit number one by now.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Right, So so you know, it's it's situations like this
and when they're But the only problem I have with
that question is this is who we expected it from,
because you know, white corporate America is never going to
help or defend us. If anything, They're gonna do everything
they can't unless we're a cash cow like a Lebron

(01:00:02):
James As willing to bet over and do whatever they
say to shut up in the dribble. I mean, outside
of that, they're not gonna really you know, they're gonna
more like want to dictate, you know, our downfall more
than help us to raise up and gain power. While
would the same people who make money off of us
want to see us make money off of them or
make more money than them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Okay, okay, now they they have done that in the past,
and that was initiated by the players though, where even
the NFL they have this rule where the revenue has
to be spent like I think sixty percent on players.
You know, that's why they had that little you know,
I guess the cap in a in a minimum.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
So what about the fans. This one's for you, Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
What can the fans do or institutions like the leagues,
what can they do to push equity?

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
You mute it.

Speaker 7 (01:01:01):
I'm good, yeah, you know you okay, you can't hear
me now, Yes, the fans in the institutions, right, I
would say a lot, but I'm going to say that
really nothing because it doesn't serve them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Because to think about the fans don't care.

Speaker 7 (01:01:21):
The fans don't care the fans, the fans, all they
care about is is entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
They don't care.

Speaker 7 (01:01:27):
They don't care if an athlete is are perceived wrong,
they don't care, if it's a smeared and in the
court of public opinion, they don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
These institutions don't care.

Speaker 7 (01:01:38):
They care about getting that getting that athlete on that field.
What the athlete, How many championships can that athlete win
for us? How much revenue can that athlete generate to
our to our organization. They could care less about what
the perception and the narratives of these athletes, because once

(01:01:59):
they once they make a mistake, they discard.

Speaker 6 (01:02:02):
Them like trash.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Hmm, okay, yeah you want did you want to follow
up on that wing?

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
But yeah, man, listen, especially us man, I hate it.
That's that's the worst thing about black people and someone
do mistake, take a stand. If white corporate America is
not putting them in front of the camera no more,
we don't hold them up, we don't talk them no more.
But if they stand it up and they they've been
up a backwards trying to help and defend us, we'll
ride with them until like the cameras go away, you know,

(01:02:33):
and they go home homery broke. We have too many
black leaders that dip like that. You know. It's more
money and selling out than it is for standing up.
And that's the problem. If we still behind, if we
still if if everybody still behind uh are I won't
call them leaders, but you know the people that that
take on our our issues, our social issues, and they

(01:02:56):
stand up for our ethnicity, you know what I'm saying,
If we still behind them in Unison, it would be
a total difference. But it's not gonna happen if the
second that the cameras are taken away from white corporate America,
we just walk away from Colin Kaepernick, nobody seeing him.

Speaker 6 (01:03:12):
He's on Bill cart right right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Hmmm, Well this was interesting and uh, I think a
great cop uh conversation. And I want to thank you
guys for your very intelligent responses to these questions and this,
you know, this good dialogue.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
So before we go, I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Want to say, you know, for anybody who's listening out there,
our word of the day is going to be sports.
That's our word of the day. So if you're listening
at the end of the month, every every episode we
have a word of the day. If you get all
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you email us at hot Topics that's h O T

(01:03:51):
t O p i X podcast at gmail dot com
and you will have a chance to win comedy show
tickets at a place near you. So let me just
throw that out there. I want to thank my my
special co hosts Dimitrix Cinema. Check them out on on
YouTube and you're what's the name how you spell that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
On their d E M E t r i X
Cinema c I m e n A.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Okay, that's on YouTube and uh Wayne Crest Bow thank you.
Was a pleasure. As always.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
I want to say one thing Man r P with
my cousin Tim and her grove Man may rest in peace.
We all love you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Oh yeah, rest in peace, Rest in power. Power And
my bro out there with wearing the cowboy boots and
the steps and hat out in Texas.

Speaker 7 (01:04:43):
No cowboy hat stetson for me, but I will tell
you this. You can reach me at mister Paul ten
Ten on TikTok. I got I got Motivate fitness brand
coming out. Also got Real Talk University merchandise coming out
and they got Motivated three sixty five coming out.

Speaker 6 (01:05:03):
So if you need motivation, you need fitness motivation.

Speaker 7 (01:05:07):
And you just got you want to hear Real Talk
and it's on It's on t shirts. Get with me,
mister Paul ten Ten. The online storre is coming this week.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
You heard it. Check them out on TikTok and uh,
I like to also thank Travis for popping in there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
I know he was busy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Both to the guests, we're actually driving, so they you know,
took that time out of the busy schedule to come
in and chat with us, so, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
I want to. I wanted to take a shout out
to Travis too. His new name is Mason.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Rudolph Travis and I stole his last name, so that's
my that's my new last name. He can have mine.
But yeah, I want to thank you guys again, and
you know, feel free to jump in at any of
the future topics. We got some good ones coming up
in in the future. This Sunday at three pm, we're

(01:06:02):
gonna do our recording and we're gonna talk about mothers,
how we appreciate mothers, what they contribute, how they affected
our lives. So we basically were gonna honor the mothers
for Mother's Day. So if you want to jump in there,
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(01:06:24):
I'm excited because I would love to talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
You know, my mother and how she influenced me. So
you know, feel free to jump in. Thank you family
for listening to the latest episode of Hot Topics.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
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