June 9, 2025 • 48 mins
In this episode, The Hot Topix Podcast team dives into the fine line between holding people, corporations or other entities acountable for harmful or unethical action versus completely canceling them. Are public figures being fairly scrutinized, or are we creating a culture of fear and unforgiveness. Tune in to listen to the discussion.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You're listening to the Hot Topics Podcast Cycle forty one,
the Lovely Lady Lamb Chop and Regulus Colonias. Let's get
into it. Welcome everyone to another episode of Hot Topics
Podcast Cycle forty forty eighty one. And I'm here with
Lady Lamb Chop, the Lovely Lady Lamb Chop. And you know, uh,
(00:27):
Bolognia's feather's not here today. She's feeling a little bit
under the weather.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Get better.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I hope she recovers fast. I know she will feel good,
recover fast enough to make another party, because that's what
she does.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I think you just be hating she does.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
She is one party animal, as she should be. All
the youngsters want to be out there. Oh I did
get to seem as much to say earlier, fruit vill
like it. I did.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I liked it and it was all thes wasn't it. Well.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I didn't have any emotional tugs in it. I could
just relate to certain things that was in there, like uh,
whether it be like myself or family, and of course
me as a you know, professional right and seeing right.
So if any emotion that I got was.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Anger, yes, oh I got them all anger, sadness, I
got all of them.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It definitely was anger and I could relate to it,
you know, on both sides.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
All right, so good movie. Yes, he's very very talented.
The director, Yeah, he's very talented. And it looks like
that Michael B. Jordan is going to be his narrow.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Scorsese thing, you know, like Spike Lee had out.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, it looks like that that's going to be his guy. So,
which is not a bad thing because they're making great movies.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yes, kudos of them, kudos anything in the news.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
There's so much in the news, Like the.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Guy from one of the singers from a famous group,
not just Atlanta Star, Atlantic Star passed away. He was
pretty young comparatively, right, and it was it was another
group I can't recall. But it's the semi like all
our old I won't say heroes, but the people that
we listened.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
To people, yeah, our music heroes.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, yeah, going away.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, and yeah, man, you gotta think about it. Even
though we were young, it didn't mean that they were young.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Well yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
We were young listened to, but didn't mean they weren't,
you know, already getting up there in an age.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
The Brothers was going back in the fifties.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
In the fifties, that in the fifty seventy years.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yes, so they start when he was eight.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, they were young. They were young esus. They were
in eighteen twenties. We're young. So kudos to them too,
because it's not a lot of groups that can have
that kind of longevity.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Facts, you know. So then hear what's going on out
West California. Adam mentioned it.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I know, I know, and honestly, it's just so overwhelming
to be in these United States. And you know, I
woke up this morning thinking it hasn't even been a full.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Year, right, it hasn't so a January, every March, April, May, June,
July hasn't been six months. It has been six months.
But so is it. I know, you've seen it, the
Ice going out there, yanking up people, not even violent criminals,
(03:48):
but yanking at people. And they're looking in full you know,
paramilitary gear, the mask, the whole nine, which police don't
even do unless you you know, a high profile or
a dangerous you know person. So that's what they're doing
for regular people, people in restaurants, people, and they're making mistakes,
they're yanking up people. They actually got a US marshall,
you know college was a professional.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I know, I think he was a college president. I'm
on the side.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh yes, and I guess they I guess they don't.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Care eighty year old grandmothers.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
See and you know what sometimes from what I heard,
I didn't see it myself, that they approach people and
you can't tell who they are. So what happens is.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
The military is not identifying themselves. The police are not
identifying themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Right, so they might even been like let's say, dressed
down with you know how that they he and Baltimore
they called it. But the knockers or whatever jump out always,
So what happens if you jump out on somebody, like
let's say like me and I carry a weapon and
I start shooting, then what who's Who's that fault? Right?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, you're going to be in the end, But I'm
just saying you not. You shouldn't be, and they did.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
They don't identify themselves when they're arresting people.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Right, and you have to.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You're supposed to.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You have to. So I just there's at there's a
hotline that they have out where for National guardsmen and
law enforcement if you feel that they're forcing you or
you're being ordered to valleate the constitution. You can call
in that hotline. So I don't know what that does.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
He probably dismantled it. He dismantled everything else.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
But no, I think this is this just happened, especially
because because of all of the stuff that, Yeah, the
National Guards involved.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Which he wasn't supposed to do. That was supposed to
have been the governor.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Right, the president can order the National Guard in circumstances.
It's happened before, like the them in Alabama back in riots, right,
you know so, But but it's typically is up to
the governor because that's under the control of the governor.
And and all that's because of how they're handling immigration,
(05:54):
you know so, And well, I don't know how this relates.
We're gonna talk about cancel culture, and you can say
the current administration. Are they being sort of canceled because
of their immigration policies?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Who's canceling them?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
A lot of people, a lot of people were not, Well,
they're they're boycotting the other things, but they're boycotting Tesla.
Their market.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Their target is a big arrow. The target is oh yeah,
oh target, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And even people have been like judges told the the
ice agents that they suspect went the other way. Now
they're trying to they're trying to charge her. Yeah. So
and then you got the local governments and sometimes I
got state governments are telling their officers not to cooperate
with you know.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So that's well said Marylyn said that they weren't going to.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Which go after which I I don't agree with that
some aspect, because you're still a law enforcement agency. As
long as they're not violating the law, you should comply.
That's my stand on that. Whether it's fair or not,
you know, we leave it up to the court of
public opinion. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
But here's the thing. These people, some of these people
aren't violating the law, you know, aren't committing crimes, and
they're getting arrested.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Well technically, well yeah, those Oh this is the time
to be a lawyer. Anybody go to us because I
would be suing the Oh my goodness, yeah, I would
sue because you know they you can't do that without consequence.
But technically, when you you come through the border, you
(07:38):
sneak through, you create it, you've.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Already committed the committed a crime.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And if you overstate your visa technically is a crime,
whether it be a civil offans or whatever. Still, you
know whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But okay, so I'm gonna put this out there. I
know that there are some other countries that people have
snuck over or have overstayed their visa that don't look
like brown people, and I have not seen one of
these people get arrested.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well, let me tell you I haven't either, not a
single one, except some of the people who who conveniently
don't identify as brown, like them them Venezuelans. Thank you,
mister Trump. Think you, mester Trump.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I bet that's horrible.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
That's what they were saying.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Don't make fun of people.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Listen, I'm not making fun of you know. I love
all my my black, brown, white, yellow, whatever, I like everybody.
But I'm getting this directly from what they were saying
in the in the on social media whatever. That's how.
I'm just using an accent because it's it's hilarious. It's
not hilarious. So cancel culture.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
What is the definition of cancel culture? We need to
be decided.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So I'm going to say this is my definition of
cancel culture. We we have a time period in our
society where people have decided as a collective to cancel,
you know, not support or try to shut down or
affect somebody's uh uh economic viability because of the stance
(09:11):
that they take. So, you know, we all we see it.
You know who was canceled. Let's let's throw out who
they tried to cancel. Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh yeah, all right, so.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
The I guess the l g B t Q community
and the trans community, you know, tried to cancel him.
But some people can't be canceled.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, he's one of those person.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, who else? Kanye? Kanye, we canceled. We cancel people
all time. We cancel people who support Trump.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
A good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I canceled Kanye West because it's not I kind.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Of canceled him along before that. That's true, because he
has some craziness going on.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
He does.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
When he said slavery was an option, I was done
with him. I was absolutely done with him. So the
actual deafine of cancel culture is a term for a
public shaming campaign, often on social media, with individuals or
group are publicly publicly ostracized or boycotted for perceived wrongdoings
or offensive behavior. Okay, Okay, I'm made to say well
(10:16):
perceived because everybody's opinion is different. This can involve using support,
being fired, facing and facing backlashes in their career.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I e. Target, Yeah, Target, we doll with Target, Tesla.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Tesla, We're done with Well I never was on that campaign.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So all right, So now here's the thing. Let's talk
about the corporate world.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Okay, what's the.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Difference between cancel culture and accountability? Like holding somebody just accountable?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I'm gonna say when it comes to I know you
were you boycott Target.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Which is hurting my heart because I love Target. I
ain't even gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
And I boycotted mcdonald'st one point, you know, because they
could just kept getting order wrong. You know. I was like,
I went two years without nothing from McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well, I'm thinking as in terms of canceled culture, it's
a whole group of people.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Know what I'm saying. I'm saying how I canceled that
was my own initiative, But like say Target, I you know,
I canceled Target. Also not that I'm a shopper at Target,
so that was the easiest.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
But what's harder for me is we should be boycott
and Walmart, we should be boycotting and Amazon, and those
are harder for me to do.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So so are so the when we're targeting, targeting, target
target is that because we want to hold them accountability,
I mean hold them accountable for the decisions they made.
And it was specifically the eies, okay, and some of
the other ones too, and there's some in our let's
(11:51):
let's say so I'm gonna say we we're holding them
accountable and that's not really. I don't think there's so
much a part of canceled culture because I think once
they start changing certain things, and it could change overnight,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
That people would go back. Yes, yes, if they decided it.
But they are holding fast. They are losing money hand
over fist, but they are holding fast. And it's kind
of sad because there is a lot of black and women,
what's the word product, stop talking to stop talking to men,
(12:27):
business owners, businesses that are in target that that we
supported wholeheartedly, but but people are not supporting them now
because of targets.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And okay, so those those uh, those suppliers should maybe
you know, when they said the thing about the d
I maybe they should have pulled from Target. I agree, maybe,
but they would have lost a lot of money, So
you know, they losing it, that's that's that's difficult for them,
and I see it's very difficult. But you know who
(12:58):
lost the most money ever in history of people canceled?
Who Elon Musk.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And he's still got a power more so, I don't
feel bad he's lost.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
He has the biggest drop uh in in income good
which is which is telling because he's still still the
richest person in the world.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
That's what I'm saying. He's still got a power more so,
he's not hurting.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
But that's because of canceled. He's been canceled by a
lot of people. With the Tesla, the utleast the cyber right.
I think that's the only thing you really could cancel
from him.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
As far as consumers.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, because it mean it's not like we have a
hand in the Rocket SpaceX.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
All his government contracts which would be canceled, but they
maybe soon because him and his boyfriend fighting.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
That is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's hilarious. It's hilarious. I love it, but I just
wish that it had happened before he fired half of
the United States, Right.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And they're still gonna They're still gonna go on and
doing the same thing because the Supreme Court said that
they have access to social security sensitive social security information,
which I think is this is this is the worst
government administration I've I've seen in some time. I'm not like,
I'm not that old, but you know, but.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
So not five nichols, double nickels.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
But so what's the difference between a Right, So that
was a we're gonna say that's an example of accountability
as a people. We're holding them accountable. Now, give me
an example of of how the people are canceling somebody.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I think they canceled Drake Drake. Oh okay, right, okay,
I think they canceled.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, and I think the I think they canceled him
mostly because of his competition.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, I don't even know what he did. Well, apparently,
and I'm getting this like from my son, who kind
of follows the thing. He's not a minor. Oh yeah, yeah,
apparently he likes younger girls, not women girls. And I
think he said something about, uh, what's the guy.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I can't think of his name, Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Right, he said something about Kendrick Lamar in a song,
and Kendrick was just kind of like, you know, leave
me alone. I'm over here minding my business. But he didn't.
So it just he just hit him with everything he had.
Sometimes you should just leave people alone when they asked
you to. So yeah, but but you can also put
R Kelly in that group. Okay, got canceled and did
(15:35):
he right now?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Who is getting canceled? And they got canceled based on
their behavior?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I canceled. I joined the cancel movement, my personal cancel
movement when he was a which one? Did he making?
Making the band? But he had them going to get
that cheese keys? Yes, because that he was a super
narcissist you call it.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
So that's when I agree. That's when I canceled him too.
I agree. But you know that the issue with Diddy
is if we cancel him, do we we cancel all
the people he's worked with and all the music that
he's made. I mean, it is still people who have
R Kelly songs, you know, and will continue to listen
the same thing with.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Drake and Side. I canceled R Kelly.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, I definitely canceled R Kelly.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
From from the point that he he where he started,
but I still put uh twelve play on.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
My I don't have anything I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Let me tell you why I paid money for that.
It was good music, So I'm like, you know, I'm
going to listen to it because it's a good music whatever.
But anything like after that, you know, I'm not gonna.
I would never buy anything from him again. You know,
I'm not watching any move nothing from it. I think
he would be. You can't just in jail. I don't
think he'll be getting out anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
It's not. Yeah, I mean, I like the remix to
Ignition was on. I had all of it on my eye.
I paid whatever, and all of it's off now, so you.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
You totally all of it is early you go hard?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I did. I really did. Yeah. And that's why I said,
you know about Diddy, because there's a lot of people
that I have on my iPod that I don't have
my whatever music list, right, That's what I'm saying, Like,
do you cancel all the people he was involved with?
It would cancel him.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I wouldn't, only because he's that's you don't want to
cancel his artists. They didn't do anything right, right, you know, right,
unless you listen to the trial, they throw things out
like ray J and all.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I have not listened to the trial, and I keep
saying I'm not going to, but I know that at
some point we're gonna do episode, so I have to
catch up. But yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
No, I'm not gonna make you know, I'm not gonna
make fun of the Diddy trial, only because of all
the stuff that came out, and you know, some of
it actually is funny because you know, we like to
poke fun at people, you know whatever, But there's victims
and all that, and he's how I know, Lauren, Lauren
Griffith would say, you know, we use people using this
(18:08):
word diabolical, you know, too much and narcissist. And I said, yeah, Diddy,
p Diddy, Papa did pop whatever, you know, So yeah,
he's diabolical. And like I said, I I think we
could look at him and say, you know, as a society,
most of us is going to cancel him. Now, all right,
(18:29):
we're selected when it comes to canceling.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Agreed, right, because we did not cancel Michael Jackson exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And and still some people really I don't think his
was clear cut, right, you know. And then he also
had some some things where they found out they was
trying to extort him. So could you have didd he
We still don't really know. We gave him the benefit
of the doubt because he's Michael Jackson. So can people
(18:56):
come back from being canceled? Oh yeah, who's been canceled that?
You know that came back?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I don't let me see. Let me see this thing.
Who has been canceled in r Kelly hasn't. Let's see
Kanye West.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I don't know if he's somebody out there.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I'm not really thought of him. They canceled, they tried
to cancel Will Smith. I think he's probably gonna now.
I heard his little ordeal that you know, people was
jumping to, you know, sign them for movies or whatever.
And some now people are making excuses like okay, I'll
call you back, you know. And my thing was this,
(19:40):
he went up there smacked Chris Frock. He didn't smack
your mother, you know, he made it. He and a
lot of people pissed off about that because he was
on the world stage. Us look bad. It was for me, Yeah,
but I'm not canceling them for that. I just I
thought it was you know how what I said at
the first time, I said, that was a bit smoove,
you know. But I'm not gonna ca some for it
(20:00):
because he's a great actor. You know. He he got
up in his emotions and he lost it over his
wife or sort of wife or whatever she is. You know.
I'm not so, but I think he'll bounce back if
he hasn't already, because you know, I follow him on Facebook.
He has a Facebook page now, and he was doing
some freestyles. I was like, oh, he still got it,
(20:22):
and I was calling them the fresh Prince Fresh Prince
still got it. So I think people can come back,
depends on I guess the severity, right, you know, Let's
see who are some other people who are been who've
been canceled? All right, we can start with who's canceled?
Who who has the l G B, t Q I
A plus community canceled A lot of them. I don't know.
(20:47):
I know they they did some comedians. I think they
tried to do Dave Dave Chappelle, might have been Harry Spears.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I think I don't know, Uh, he probably need to
be canceled.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I like Gary Spears. Now, I tell you who needs to.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Be canceled sometimes.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Corey, Uh, Corey. I don't know what is Corey's last name,
Corey Hokum, I don't know. Follow him, Oh, let me
tell you. He says something. All right, you've heard him.
You've heard he's the one that was telling the story
about the baby, I mean the girl. He had to
act like he was sad about her having a miscarriage. No,
(21:30):
and he was like he was like, I was trying
to I had had to act like I was unhappy
about it. And then she took her to the bathroom
and you know, uh fleshed him down the toilet, and
then he was saying how he was going around and
around all the way down. He says, he was like, bye,
a little nigga.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, he says some and even they saw the interaction
between him and his daughter. How he is very disrespectful,
even aside from you know, comments can be that way
in the name of comedy, but sometimes you can go
overboard and his stuff. Some of his stuff is funny,
but then you know, always got to be sometimes. Now
I'm feeling guilty about laughing at some of the stuff
he has if you get a chance to listen to him,
(22:08):
so you can hate somebody like with me.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Are we canceling women? I cannot think off the top
of my head. A woman that we canceled.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
We canceled Roseanne, Oh.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Good one, yep, she should have been canceled, but but she.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Came back apparently her Oh we also canceled the guy
from Seinfeld.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
What was his name, Oh, Michael Richards.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yes, so apparently they both came back because they have
I think a sitcom coming out with two of them, Okay, yes,
or it might be on one of the the channels,
like the Unwoken channels or something that was.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
So we did cancel Paula Dean.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
We did cancel paul Deane. And I don't know what
she's doing.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
She is on a random like not that popular streaming thing.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
But so she did come back then.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, she did not as big, not as big, but
she did come back. And I think the lady and
sons in uh Savannah is still open. Okay, so the
restaurant didn't go down. But when we visit Savannah, it
was hardly anybody. Yeah, it was no line, there was
no weight, it was hardly anybody.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
It just meant it was a lot more healthier people
because her food was good. I'll give it to her.
This is I'm gonna say good about Paul Dinge. All Right.
She always used stuff that was in your cabinet. She
didn't worry about what got this.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
This exotic vanilla from Madagascar? Right she did?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yes, she did. So I've never had anything from a
store or whatever, but it was good. Who else to
see women? I think the only person I could think
of that was canceled was it was Roseanne. As far
as women goes, we no politician. We've never a female politician.
(23:56):
We've never we.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Ain't canceled Margitarily Green.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, you know what, I don't think she was ever accepted.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Okay, so you can't cancel someone.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
She's she's still in the in the circle of her
group of megadges. Well I shouldn't say mega midgets, mega
mental midgets. Stop. Okay, So we're gonna do one speaking
of which I'm gonna try to get this guy in.
We call it Mind of Mega interview some of some
mega people. Then. Yeah, so women get a past then,
(24:29):
or maybe they're not necessarily maybe they just don't go
like men, or.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Maybe they say they stuff in secret and we just
don't catch them because I can't imagine them not being
out there, because.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I can't recall any women out there outside of Roseanne
that really went. There was somebody who was already accepted
on you know, Whoopy Goldberg. You know, she got many canceled,
she got I will buy Mega No No before us
because remember her and to Danza did that whole black
(25:03):
face thing.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So many canceled and she did come back. Okay, so
she did.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Question if you can't come back, oh, Chrissette Michelle, chrisp Michelle,
the singer who performed for Donald Trump's inauguration.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
They canceled her, they can't.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I don't know if she came back, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I don't hear anything.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, I forgive you, Chris Michelle.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You're just saying that because she's cute. If she won,
it'd be like canceled away.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah. And I always loved her because of her part
what she did with Jay z On. Loved ones that.
So I yeah, let's see. So they can't come back,
all right, But I think people but should past mistakes always.
Now we're gonna go into some good stuff here. Should
past mistakes always resurface or is there a room from redemption? Now?
(26:03):
You remember Justin Trudeau, the president of Canada. Okay, I
loved the guy. I thought he was the greatest. I
would would have traded him for Trump, would have traded
the the hot dog for Trump. But always always admired
him as a world leader. So they pulled up something
back in his college days where he wore black face
(26:27):
or something along those lines, and everybody was trying to
you know, you know, assassinate his character because of that.
And I was like, Okay, in my mind, I was saying, okay,
he was young and dumb, and I know I could
be the first one to raise my hand that when
I was young and dumb, I did some very dumb
things too.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Absolute So with that said.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
And we pull up people from a Supreme Court justices
when they go through their their trials and stuff political candidates, now,
I can't think, well, even Trump, you know, we could say, well,
they pull up stuff from Trump when he was he
said something, well many times he says I'm racist, So
I guess, but racist sex he has a history of that,
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which is a little bit different. But should we give
people an opportunity to redeem themselves from us.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
So I think I think you're supposed to grow and
learn from your mistakes. Now when it becomes a problem
is that you keep repeating. Okay, but you know you
should learn and grow from your mistake.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
So how about David Duke.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
He's not gonna learn from his mistakes. I don't care
about anybody.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
So I'm gonna say is I'm gonna say some people
cannot be redeemed or should not be redeemed. And when
you redeem somebody or let them be redeemed, I think
it depends on the circumstances in which they you know,
they heerd is that right? Well, if you were young
and dumb, whatever, I could say that. They talked about
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Robert Bird, the senator, the senator from West Virginia. He
used to be a klansman back in the day, and
he was a Republican then he switched to Democrat, and
you know whatever, he was an upstanding person. So they
always bring back that his past. You know, he redeemed himself,
you know, and in that type in that sense too.
So I think it depends on your circumstances and what
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you did and what you did.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Now, in the entertainment world, there's some people that I me, personally,
I will never ever let them redeem themselves in my eyes,
my judgmental eyes. And that's that's Diddy, that's one. Mar
Kelly is another one. You know, well Bill Cosby, Right.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I can't even watch the Bill Cosby rebruns anymore. Now.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Let me tell you this, I personally could uh let
him in my eyes, he could be redeemed because he's
still throughout his my history, my whole life, he's been
that that icon, that that standard of excellence and who
made us proud this whatever. So his thing was he
did what he did, and he did it for a
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long time in the in the past, back when they
not really expected that.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It was accepted, accepted, that was accepted. As wrong as
it was, it was, it was just how it was right.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
And it's not like he didn't make a comedy show
about one of the skits, not sk I guess one
of his acts about Spanish Fly. Yeah, because I remember
that when I was a kids.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You know, yes, I do too, right, Although that's how
it was and it was accepted. It was a lot
of men who weren't doing these things, so you still
was participating in something that you didn't have to participate in.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
So you know what kills me about that when you
do certain things and like, all right, you can go
into a club, you can go into a restaurant and
say hey, I'm William H. Cosby, you know, I'm Bill
Cosby and you can get what you want. Absolutely, and
like Mike Tyson was the same way, and we redeemed
Mike Tyson. We absolutely redeemed you know, getting off ears,
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the rape charges.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You know, hitting his spouse, all of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So you're right. I think sometimes we were selective and
it depends on who it is and how creative a
person we thought they were in society or in pop
culture or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, you know we redeemed Rick James, did we?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Though? I did?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Everybody who says I'm.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Rick James bitch facts facts, And his last time on TV,
everybody was standing up and cheering for him, so you
probably you're right we did.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
And of course he wasn't making any music after that
because he was just he was out there. But whatever,
but who does who who does the most canceling?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Oh yeah, we talked about this a little bit before
the minority.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
The marginalize You're like, who decides?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
And yeah, who decides when somebody canceled? Yeah? Right, and
who survives it? And we don't talked about that whole
you know, selective thing. Now, let's say black people, we
try to cancel, you know, people who.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
We would cancel our cousins. Yeah, we will cancel you.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So that's the minority. There's a lot of people, lot
of Latino Hispanics canceled.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Trump, they were, but it was a lot that didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah. Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Listen, I canceled people who black people who voted for Trump.
I was just like, it's nothing you could say to me.
You canceled, you.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Know, and nobody's there in the voting booth. So that's
I don't care. But when you make it known and
you're trying to influence other people knowing what you know
about them, that's that's the problem I have. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, And I don't think he can be redink. No.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I don't think so either, because he has his his
whole life basically, you know, and his father's basically and
his kids he's passing on to his kids and wasn't
one of.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
The uh, the royals, the who's the who's the young one?
Harry is Harry the youngest one. Yeah, okay, so he
at one point in school went to a party dressed
as a Nazi.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh yeah, I remember that. So remember that.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
They canceled him for five minutes, and he definitely redeemed himself.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And that's a case, like we said, of you know,
being young and dumb. Even though he's a road still
he gets he gets invited to the party. So and
I think him marrying the what's her name, Megan Markle,
Magan Markle.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Listen, I ain't even know she was black un till
they started talking about don't either. I did not even know.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, I didn't know that. I saw her in one movie.
It's about somebody getting married. I don't forgot what it was,
but yeah, I kind of figured that, but I didn't,
you know, I didn't know she ain't the you know,
the standard bearer for black women.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Sore.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But yeah, definitely minority groups. We're gonna say minority groups,
any disenfranchised.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Any disenfranchised, that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
L g B t Q women plus and yeah, right
and men. We canceled men don't take don't really men
as a whole don't really cancel people.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Oh you said, Okay, so I thought you were saying
l g b t Q women separate.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah. Yeah, because women will canceled come together and absolutely
the you know, the l g B t Q community.
Black men maybe not so much, but maybe they didn't
cancel o J. But men altogether, men will never come
(33:52):
together like women will and cancel because because men, you
can't say that men as a whole word marginalized groups
M women were whether you were white, Hispanic, whatever. The Asians,
you don't hear you so much too much, but I'm
sure they probably do it some sort of way.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I guess. I don't know. Yeah, you don't hear too
much from.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, teenagers, the young people cancel people, Yeah, you know
they will, And I think that's where that that's where
it started.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I feel I feel like that's where it started with them.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Every revolution starts with the young people. Every you know,
I give the and I give the young people kudos.
But but that also is uh, it's worrisome for me
because because a lot of the young people right now
are directionless m and they don't they didn't.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Have to like the people that they didn't have a struggle.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Struggle, right, So I can say, well, even if I
didn't have a struggle, my mom had a struggle, my
grandma had a struggle. They're in that generation now where
they don't have that connection to a struggle. You know
that I'll fault though, Yeah, it's our fault.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
We dropped the ball.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, let's see. Do you think canceling I'm gonna throw
this out. Do you think canceling culture has a effect
on mental health?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Hm?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Hmm, because I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Maybe the person getting canceled, but not but not, but
not on.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Both sides of the screen. You know. Let's see they
have we mentioned marginalized groups because we were more or
less the victims and they were the drivers of canceled culture.
So if that has it, most of the time led
(35:50):
to meaningful change. I can tell you one that was unsuccessful.
What Chick fil A. Oh yeah, they still tried to
canceled chickpil A.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That didn't work, Yeah it didn't.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, but some some did lead to meaningful change. Target
Yeah good, Yeah, you know they had the I think
it was a shareholder sued the Bord of Directors or
something along those lines because of you know, decisions that
was made. I think I paid to say it. But
(36:25):
I think Tesla will start changing something. He's actually trying
to change this too. Now he's trying because he's talking about,
you know, funding the Democrats. We're not gonna forget Elon. Yeah,
and I'm not forgetting because he booted me off of
X for no reason.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
What is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I don't know why X, you know, but but yeah,
so they are the vehicle of change.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It can beat the vehicle it can.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I come trying to think of any other thing we
canceled that made any changes. Well, I can think of
right now.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Right right for right now.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Because you know, people, people have short memories for when
it comes.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
To and that's true, and that's why I think people
can redeem themselves. Like I think that's why people can
bounce back. Because remember we were talking about the Shannon
Sharp Sharp thing. He had a little incident. They just
didn't have him on TV for a little while, and boom,
he came right back. And I think it's going to
be the same thing with this one.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Now, did you did you cancel Amazon?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I did not. I just said that. I just said,
I was having problems with Amazon. I want to Walmart.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I wanted to ye, I was like, I like my
Amazon firestick, I like my packages.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Right, you know. So it wasn't that for me. It
was that in my little hobby business, a lot of
the area craft stores were closing down or didn't have
what I needed. Okay, so I was only stuck with
Amazon and Walmart.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
So you was forced it.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, it was just like I really wanted to be like, no,
I don't want to deal with you guys anymore, because,
let's be honest, have to stop.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I order.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I can live without. You know, it's not the end
of the world. But when it comes to what I
need to do for that little business, I needed things,
and I try to go to mom and pop stores.
They're closing up because of Amazon and Walmart, and it's
really getting more difficult to find the things that I need.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Well, I think that's another reason why they don't you know,
crush under or switch under pressure, because they know at
some point people will rely on that.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
We don't have a choice, regardless that we really don't
have a choice. And you know, got a whole list
of you know, the black owned business or women owned
business and all of this stuff. And I was just like,
you want to participate and you want to shop with them.
But and I hear people say this all the time,
why does this cost so much? It costs so much
(38:45):
because you're not a multi billion dollar business who could
get something for five cents and sell it to the
public for two cents, you know. So that's why it
costs so much to be involved in a minority or
black owned business, because it's it's gonna cost you a
little bit more just give, you know, just if you
can support them as best you can. So, yeah, it's
hard in some places. You want to cancel and you can.
(39:09):
And Walmart and Amazon is my thing that's on my list.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
So have you ever now we're not talking about as
a as a people, but have you ever canceled someone
and regretted it because maybe you didn't have all the facts?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
So how about society? Who who have we canceled without
having all the facts? And it happens all the time
they start canceling.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
You know, thats happen all the time.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I'm not really sure. So let me take the risks.
The risk about the risk for that is that you know,
when we start trying to cancel people for every little thing,
what happens is people start being numb to your cause.
You know, even oh here's one, Oh, here's a good one.
So you remember they tried to they tried to cancel
(40:00):
the Little Mermaid because she was black, Yes, and she
they tried to do it was it was a few
things where they tried to cancel because the fictitional people
were black. Right, So recently Marvel decided they're going to
have a white black panther.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I saw that and thought they were lying.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Is that true? That's true, not in the movie but
the comic books. So blond hair, blue eyes, black panther. Right,
So now everybody supporting that, who's gonna everybody else going say? Everybody?
White folks will support it. But but you know what
my comment was on there, I said, Okay, now, this
(40:38):
is this is where you where the risk comes in.
You made all this poopla about you know, black representation,
you know, and it's not whatever. So then now when
the tables were turned, you know, what can you say?
So now anytime that would happen, they could say, well,
and I've read the comments online and the things they
(41:00):
could say well, you didn't have a problem with the Mermaid.
You didn't have a plant problem with Spider Man in
the in the Spider verse because he was Afro Latino.
So they can go back to all these different people,
fictitional ones talking about that, you know, the historical portrayal whatever,
but and say well, you didn't have a problem with that.
But then when we have a problem with this, so
(41:22):
we don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Mmm.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Okay, so that's a risk.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Of that is a risk.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
So that is a risk. People people will fall you know,
your your your complaints will fall on deaf ears right
right now. My thing with that, even with the Black Panther,
most of these people don't even read the comic books.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
That is true.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I don't read I've never read a Black Panther comic book.
I don't even like the comics sometimes because I think
they go too far, it's unbelievable, Like you guys are
going over where. I say that all time. I'll stick
with the movies, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
So, And the only reason why I know anything about
comic books is because my husband fall a very long
time was a comic book collector a very long time.
So I know a little bit about them, but not
a lot. But yeah, I'm like, who's going to support that?
I really thought they were lying. I really did. I
was like, oh, this is a joke. I'm just going
to go right past this. Huh. That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
So outside of canceling, and I'm not always for canceling
stuff like like what's some what's a better alternative?
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Is there one?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
No? I'm gonna tell you why, because when you talk
about the corporate entity, they only understand number dollars.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
It's about dollars and cents, that's right.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
It's like I was. I said it was we had
a it was a it was a supermarket in Atlantic City, right,
and they didn't have that many supermarkets, but it was
like poor like that. It was just a whole the
ghetto was supermarket. You know, I'm not gonna put the
name out there, but I said, this is how you
this is how you make a change. You get everybody
(42:52):
that you can and say, you know what, I spent
two hundred dollars a month in groceries over here, and
all it was take is a thousand people or a
thousand shoppers rather right, and you're losing thirty thousand dollars, right, right,
So you can do stuff like that, But I guess
that's kind of canceling too.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
In that canceling it is, but or I feel like
that's more accountability if I'm going to spend my money here,
because I feel like canceling is based on something that
that person did, and accountability is you, I'm spending my
money here, you owe me ABC and okay, okay, what
I'm saying, yeah with that, So it's an interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
I think. I think canceling is effective because it sends
a message to people and try to alter behavior or
policies or whatever. I don't know if there's anything else. Well,
I think there's other things that's better, but I don't
think there's anything else that will be as effective and
as quickly, right because of you know, the money issue, right,
(43:59):
what is about having to sit down?
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Okay, okay, yeah, I could go for that, or or.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Let's say, even an educational thing, like say, if you
have certain things that a corporation's doing or or a department,
government entity, even a celebrity or a person in the community,
you start educating people, you start having meetings and and
you know, just make people informed of what's going on
and let them make their choices. You know that's that's
(44:30):
probably better. Or you can elect a a representative to say, hey, right,
these are what we want. These are the things. You know,
you can do stuff like that instead of just you know, everybody,
everybody's going to not unything.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah we're not going to shop this day. But you
know that's based on the boycotts. The boycotts work, yes,
you know, but that was because everybody was of one mind,
and we don't. I don't feel like we have that now.
I really don't.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Now we were talking about like the old counseling, right,
like when stuff comes up in the past, do you
think people get canceled for things people did like ten
years ago, twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Well, Bill Cosby got canceled for his past, and let's
face it, most people get canceled for that past because
we don't know about it until another time. Now, with Roseanne,
her business was out immediately because of social media, and
technically she did she's heard what she canceled immediately, like
they took her off her show and they killed her
(45:28):
off the show, so they yes, I don't remember that
they killed her off our show. So they made sure
she wasn't coming back.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Well, another group of people canceled her because of what
she did with the national anthem.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Right, So, so she's had a couple of incidents where
she got canceled, came back, got canceled, but this go around,
at least not with the Corners. They've even taken this
show off now they had their last Conners whatever. Wow.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, okay, so just remember things that you've done in
the past come back to haunt you. I guess depends
on what it did.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
And now that we're living in the social media times,
it happens quickly, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Every everything that's everything could be found on the net, right, okay, right,
so we get what we need. A word of today.
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You're listening to the Hot Topics Podcast Cycle forty one,
the Lovely Lady Lamb Chop and Regulus Colonias. Let's get
into it. Welcome everyone to another episode of Hot Topics
Podcast Cycle forty forty eighty one. And I'm here with
Lady Lamb Chop, the Lovely Lady Lamb Chop. And you know, uh,
(00:27):
Bolognia's feather's not here today. She's feeling a little bit
under the weather.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Get better.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I hope she recovers fast. I know she will feel good,
recover fast enough to make another party, because that's what
she does.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I think you just be hating she does.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
She is one party animal, as she should be. All
the youngsters want to be out there. Oh I did
get to seem as much to say earlier, fruit vill
like it. I did.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I liked it and it was all thes wasn't it. Well.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I didn't have any emotional tugs in it. I could
just relate to certain things that was in there, like uh,
whether it be like myself or family, and of course
me as a you know, professional right and seeing right.
So if any emotion that I got was.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Anger, yes, oh I got them all anger, sadness, I
got all of them.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It definitely was anger and I could relate to it,
you know, on both sides.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
All right, so good movie. Yes, he's very very talented.
The director, Yeah, he's very talented. And it looks like
that Michael B. Jordan is going to be his narrow.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Scorsese thing, you know, like Spike Lee had out.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, it looks like that that's going to be his guy. So,
which is not a bad thing because they're making great movies.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yes, kudos of them, kudos anything in the news.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
There's so much in the news, Like the.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Guy from one of the singers from a famous group,
not just Atlanta Star, Atlantic Star passed away. He was
pretty young comparatively, right, and it was it was another
group I can't recall. But it's the semi like all
our old I won't say heroes, but the people that
we listened.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
To people, yeah, our music heroes.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, yeah, going away.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, and yeah, man, you gotta think about it. Even
though we were young, it didn't mean that they were young.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Well yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
We were young listened to, but didn't mean they weren't,
you know, already getting up there in an age.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
The Brothers was going back in the fifties.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
In the fifties, that in the fifty seventy years.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yes, so they start when he was eight.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, they were young. They were young esus. They were
in eighteen twenties. We're young. So kudos to them too,
because it's not a lot of groups that can have
that kind of longevity.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Facts, you know. So then hear what's going on out
West California. Adam mentioned it.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I know, I know, and honestly, it's just so overwhelming
to be in these United States. And you know, I
woke up this morning thinking it hasn't even been a full.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Year, right, it hasn't so a January, every March, April, May, June,
July hasn't been six months. It has been six months.
But so is it. I know, you've seen it, the
Ice going out there, yanking up people, not even violent criminals,
(03:48):
but yanking at people. And they're looking in full you know,
paramilitary gear, the mask, the whole nine, which police don't
even do unless you you know, a high profile or
a dangerous you know person. So that's what they're doing
for regular people, people in restaurants, people, and they're making mistakes,
they're yanking up people. They actually got a US marshall,
you know college was a professional.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I know, I think he was a college president. I'm
on the side.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh yes, and I guess they I guess they don't.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Care eighty year old grandmothers.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
See and you know what sometimes from what I heard,
I didn't see it myself, that they approach people and
you can't tell who they are. So what happens is.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
The military is not identifying themselves. The police are not
identifying themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Right, so they might even been like let's say, dressed
down with you know how that they he and Baltimore
they called it. But the knockers or whatever jump out always,
So what happens if you jump out on somebody, like
let's say like me and I carry a weapon and
I start shooting, then what who's Who's that fault? Right?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, you're going to be in the end, But I'm
just saying you not. You shouldn't be, and they did.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
They don't identify themselves when they're arresting people.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Right, and you have to.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You're supposed to.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You have to. So I just there's at there's a
hotline that they have out where for National guardsmen and
law enforcement if you feel that they're forcing you or
you're being ordered to valleate the constitution. You can call
in that hotline. So I don't know what that does.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
He probably dismantled it. He dismantled everything else.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
But no, I think this is this just happened, especially
because because of all of the stuff that, Yeah, the
National Guards involved.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Which he wasn't supposed to do. That was supposed to
have been the governor.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Right, the president can order the National Guard in circumstances.
It's happened before, like the them in Alabama back in riots, right,
you know so, But but it's typically is up to
the governor because that's under the control of the governor.
And and all that's because of how they're handling immigration,
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you know so, And well, I don't know how this relates.
We're gonna talk about cancel culture, and you can say
the current administration. Are they being sort of canceled because
of their immigration policies?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Who's canceling them?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
A lot of people, a lot of people were not, Well,
they're they're boycotting the other things, but they're boycotting Tesla.
Their market.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Their target is a big arrow. The target is oh yeah,
oh target, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And even people have been like judges told the the
ice agents that they suspect went the other way. Now
they're trying to they're trying to charge her. Yeah. So
and then you got the local governments and sometimes I
got state governments are telling their officers not to cooperate
with you know.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So that's well said Marylyn said that they weren't going to.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Which go after which I I don't agree with that
some aspect, because you're still a law enforcement agency. As
long as they're not violating the law, you should comply.
That's my stand on that. Whether it's fair or not,
you know, we leave it up to the court of
public opinion. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
But here's the thing. These people, some of these people
aren't violating the law, you know, aren't committing crimes, and
they're getting arrested.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Well technically, well yeah, those Oh this is the time
to be a lawyer. Anybody go to us because I
would be suing the Oh my goodness, yeah, I would
sue because you know they you can't do that without consequence.
But technically, when you you come through the border, you
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sneak through, you create it, you've.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Already committed the committed a crime.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And if you overstate your visa technically is a crime,
whether it be a civil offans or whatever. Still, you
know whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But okay, so I'm gonna put this out there. I
know that there are some other countries that people have
snuck over or have overstayed their visa that don't look
like brown people, and I have not seen one of
these people get arrested.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well, let me tell you I haven't either, not a
single one, except some of the people who who conveniently
don't identify as brown, like them them Venezuelans. Thank you,
mister Trump. Think you, mester Trump.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I bet that's horrible.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
That's what they were saying.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Don't make fun of people.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Listen, I'm not making fun of you know. I love
all my my black, brown, white, yellow, whatever, I like everybody.
But I'm getting this directly from what they were saying
in the in the on social media whatever. That's how.
I'm just using an accent because it's it's hilarious. It's
not hilarious. So cancel culture.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
What is the definition of cancel culture? We need to
be decided.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So I'm going to say this is my definition of
cancel culture. We we have a time period in our
society where people have decided as a collective to cancel,
you know, not support or try to shut down or
affect somebody's uh uh economic viability because of the stance
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that they take. So, you know, we all we see it.
You know who was canceled. Let's let's throw out who
they tried to cancel. Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh yeah, all right, so.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
The I guess the l g B t Q community
and the trans community, you know, tried to cancel him.
But some people can't be canceled.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, he's one of those person.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, who else? Kanye? Kanye, we canceled. We cancel people
all time. We cancel people who support Trump.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
A good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I canceled Kanye West because it's not I kind.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Of canceled him along before that. That's true, because he
has some craziness going on.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
He does.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
When he said slavery was an option, I was done
with him. I was absolutely done with him. So the
actual deafine of cancel culture is a term for a
public shaming campaign, often on social media, with individuals or
group are publicly publicly ostracized or boycotted for perceived wrongdoings
or offensive behavior. Okay, Okay, I'm made to say well
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perceived because everybody's opinion is different. This can involve using support,
being fired, facing and facing backlashes in their career.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I e. Target, Yeah, Target, we doll with Target, Tesla.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Tesla, We're done with Well I never was on that campaign.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So all right, So now here's the thing. Let's talk
about the corporate world.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Okay, what's the.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Difference between cancel culture and accountability? Like holding somebody just accountable?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I'm gonna say when it comes to I know you
were you boycott Target.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Which is hurting my heart because I love Target. I
ain't even gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
And I boycotted mcdonald'st one point, you know, because they
could just kept getting order wrong. You know. I was like,
I went two years without nothing from McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well, I'm thinking as in terms of canceled culture, it's
a whole group of people.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Know what I'm saying. I'm saying how I canceled that
was my own initiative, But like say Target, I you know,
I canceled Target. Also not that I'm a shopper at Target,
so that was the easiest.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
But what's harder for me is we should be boycott
and Walmart, we should be boycotting and Amazon, and those
are harder for me to do.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So so are so the when we're targeting, targeting, target
target is that because we want to hold them accountability,
I mean hold them accountable for the decisions they made.
And it was specifically the eies, okay, and some of
the other ones too, and there's some in our let's
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let's say so I'm gonna say we we're holding them
accountable and that's not really. I don't think there's so
much a part of canceled culture because I think once
they start changing certain things, and it could change overnight,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
That people would go back. Yes, yes, if they decided it.
But they are holding fast. They are losing money hand
over fist, but they are holding fast. And it's kind
of sad because there is a lot of black and women,
what's the word product, stop talking to stop talking to men,
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business owners, businesses that are in target that that we
supported wholeheartedly, but but people are not supporting them now
because of targets.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And okay, so those those uh, those suppliers should maybe
you know, when they said the thing about the d
I maybe they should have pulled from Target. I agree, maybe,
but they would have lost a lot of money, So
you know, they losing it, that's that's that's difficult for them,
and I see it's very difficult. But you know who
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lost the most money ever in history of people canceled?
Who Elon Musk.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And he's still got a power more so, I don't
feel bad he's lost.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
He has the biggest drop uh in in income good
which is which is telling because he's still still the
richest person in the world.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
That's what I'm saying. He's still got a power more so,
he's not hurting.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
But that's because of canceled. He's been canceled by a
lot of people. With the Tesla, the utleast the cyber right.
I think that's the only thing you really could cancel
from him.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
As far as consumers.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, because it mean it's not like we have a
hand in the Rocket SpaceX.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
All his government contracts which would be canceled, but they
maybe soon because him and his boyfriend fighting.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
That is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's hilarious. It's hilarious. I love it, but I just
wish that it had happened before he fired half of
the United States, Right.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And they're still gonna They're still gonna go on and
doing the same thing because the Supreme Court said that
they have access to social security sensitive social security information,
which I think is this is this is the worst
government administration I've I've seen in some time. I'm not like,
I'm not that old, but you know, but.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
So not five nichols, double nickels.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
But so what's the difference between a Right, So that
was a we're gonna say that's an example of accountability
as a people. We're holding them accountable. Now, give me
an example of of how the people are canceling somebody.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I think they canceled Drake Drake. Oh okay, right, okay,
I think they canceled.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, and I think the I think they canceled him
mostly because of his competition.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, I don't even know what he did. Well, apparently,
and I'm getting this like from my son, who kind
of follows the thing. He's not a minor. Oh yeah, yeah,
apparently he likes younger girls, not women girls. And I
think he said something about, uh, what's the guy.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I can't think of his name, Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Right, he said something about Kendrick Lamar in a song,
and Kendrick was just kind of like, you know, leave
me alone. I'm over here minding my business. But he didn't.
So it just he just hit him with everything he had.
Sometimes you should just leave people alone when they asked
you to. So yeah, but but you can also put
R Kelly in that group. Okay, got canceled and did
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he right now?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Who is getting canceled? And they got canceled based on
their behavior?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I canceled. I joined the cancel movement, my personal cancel
movement when he was a which one? Did he making?
Making the band? But he had them going to get
that cheese keys? Yes, because that he was a super
narcissist you call it.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
So that's when I agree. That's when I canceled him too.
I agree. But you know that the issue with Diddy
is if we cancel him, do we we cancel all
the people he's worked with and all the music that
he's made. I mean, it is still people who have
R Kelly songs, you know, and will continue to listen
the same thing with.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Drake and Side. I canceled R Kelly.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, I definitely canceled R Kelly.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
From from the point that he he where he started,
but I still put uh twelve play on.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
My I don't have anything I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Let me tell you why I paid money for that.
It was good music, So I'm like, you know, I'm
going to listen to it because it's a good music whatever.
But anything like after that, you know, I'm not gonna.
I would never buy anything from him again. You know,
I'm not watching any move nothing from it. I think
he would be. You can't just in jail. I don't
think he'll be getting out anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
It's not. Yeah, I mean, I like the remix to
Ignition was on. I had all of it on my eye.
I paid whatever, and all of it's off now, so you.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
You totally all of it is early you go hard?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I did. I really did. Yeah. And that's why I said,
you know about Diddy, because there's a lot of people
that I have on my iPod that I don't have
my whatever music list, right, That's what I'm saying, Like,
do you cancel all the people he was involved with?
It would cancel him.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I wouldn't, only because he's that's you don't want to
cancel his artists. They didn't do anything right, right, you know, right,
unless you listen to the trial, they throw things out
like ray J and all.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I have not listened to the trial, and I keep
saying I'm not going to, but I know that at
some point we're gonna do episode, so I have to
catch up. But yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
No, I'm not gonna make you know, I'm not gonna
make fun of the Diddy trial, only because of all
the stuff that came out, and you know, some of
it actually is funny because you know, we like to
poke fun at people, you know whatever, But there's victims
and all that, and he's how I know, Lauren, Lauren
Griffith would say, you know, we use people using this
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word diabolical, you know, too much and narcissist. And I said, yeah, Diddy,
p Diddy, Papa did pop whatever, you know, So yeah,
he's diabolical. And like I said, I I think we
could look at him and say, you know, as a society,
most of us is going to cancel him. Now, all right,
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we're selected when it comes to canceling.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Agreed, right, because we did not cancel Michael Jackson exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And and still some people really I don't think his
was clear cut, right, you know. And then he also
had some some things where they found out they was
trying to extort him. So could you have didd he
We still don't really know. We gave him the benefit
of the doubt because he's Michael Jackson. So can people
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come back from being canceled? Oh yeah, who's been canceled that?
You know that came back?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I don't let me see. Let me see this thing.
Who has been canceled in r Kelly hasn't. Let's see
Kanye West.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I don't know if he's somebody out there.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I'm not really thought of him. They canceled, they tried
to cancel Will Smith. I think he's probably gonna now.
I heard his little ordeal that you know, people was
jumping to, you know, sign them for movies or whatever.
And some now people are making excuses like okay, I'll
call you back, you know. And my thing was this,
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he went up there smacked Chris Frock. He didn't smack
your mother, you know, he made it. He and a
lot of people pissed off about that because he was
on the world stage. Us look bad. It was for me, Yeah,
but I'm not canceling them for that. I just I
thought it was you know how what I said at
the first time, I said, that was a bit smoove,
you know. But I'm not gonna ca some for it
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because he's a great actor. You know. He he got
up in his emotions and he lost it over his
wife or sort of wife or whatever she is. You know.
I'm not so, but I think he'll bounce back if
he hasn't already, because you know, I follow him on Facebook.
He has a Facebook page now, and he was doing
some freestyles. I was like, oh, he still got it,
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and I was calling them the fresh Prince Fresh Prince
still got it. So I think people can come back,
depends on I guess the severity, right, you know, Let's
see who are some other people who are been who've
been canceled? All right, we can start with who's canceled?
Who who has the l G B, t Q I
A plus community canceled A lot of them. I don't know.
(20:47):
I know they they did some comedians. I think they
tried to do Dave Dave Chappelle, might have been Harry Spears.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I think I don't know, Uh, he probably need to
be canceled.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I like Gary Spears. Now, I tell you who needs to.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Be canceled sometimes.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Corey, Uh, Corey. I don't know what is Corey's last name,
Corey Hokum, I don't know. Follow him, Oh, let me
tell you. He says something. All right, you've heard him.
You've heard he's the one that was telling the story
about the baby, I mean the girl. He had to
act like he was sad about her having a miscarriage. No,
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and he was like he was like, I was trying
to I had had to act like I was unhappy
about it. And then she took her to the bathroom
and you know, uh fleshed him down the toilet, and
then he was saying how he was going around and
around all the way down. He says, he was like, bye,
a little nigga.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, he says some and even they saw the interaction
between him and his daughter. How he is very disrespectful,
even aside from you know, comments can be that way
in the name of comedy, but sometimes you can go
overboard and his stuff. Some of his stuff is funny,
but then you know, always got to be sometimes. Now
I'm feeling guilty about laughing at some of the stuff
he has if you get a chance to listen to him,
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so you can hate somebody like with me.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Are we canceling women? I cannot think off the top
of my head. A woman that we canceled.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
We canceled Roseanne, Oh.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Good one, yep, she should have been canceled, but but she.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Came back apparently her Oh we also canceled the guy
from Seinfeld.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
What was his name, Oh, Michael Richards.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yes, so apparently they both came back because they have
I think a sitcom coming out with two of them, Okay, yes,
or it might be on one of the the channels,
like the Unwoken channels or something that was.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
So we did cancel Paula Dean.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
We did cancel paul Deane. And I don't know what
she's doing.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
She is on a random like not that popular streaming thing.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
But so she did come back then.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, she did not as big, not as big, but
she did come back. And I think the lady and
sons in uh Savannah is still open. Okay, so the
restaurant didn't go down. But when we visit Savannah, it
was hardly anybody. Yeah, it was no line, there was
no weight, it was hardly anybody.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
It just meant it was a lot more healthier people
because her food was good. I'll give it to her.
This is I'm gonna say good about Paul Dinge. All Right.
She always used stuff that was in your cabinet. She
didn't worry about what got this.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
This exotic vanilla from Madagascar? Right she did?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yes, she did. So I've never had anything from a
store or whatever, but it was good. Who else to
see women? I think the only person I could think
of that was canceled was it was Roseanne. As far
as women goes, we no politician. We've never a female politician.
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We've never we.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Ain't canceled Margitarily Green.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, you know what, I don't think she was ever accepted.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Okay, so you can't cancel someone.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
She's she's still in the in the circle of her
group of megadges. Well I shouldn't say mega midgets, mega
mental midgets. Stop. Okay, So we're gonna do one speaking
of which I'm gonna try to get this guy in.
We call it Mind of Mega interview some of some
mega people. Then. Yeah, so women get a past then,
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or maybe they're not necessarily maybe they just don't go
like men, or.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Maybe they say they stuff in secret and we just
don't catch them because I can't imagine them not being
out there, because.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I can't recall any women out there outside of Roseanne
that really went. There was somebody who was already accepted
on you know, Whoopy Goldberg. You know, she got many canceled,
she got I will buy Mega No No before us
because remember her and to Danza did that whole black
(25:03):
face thing.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So many canceled and she did come back. Okay, so
she did.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Question if you can't come back, oh, Chrissette Michelle, chrisp Michelle,
the singer who performed for Donald Trump's inauguration.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
They canceled her, they can't.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I don't know if she came back, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I don't hear anything.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, I forgive you, Chris Michelle.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You're just saying that because she's cute. If she won,
it'd be like canceled away.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah. And I always loved her because of her part
what she did with Jay z On. Loved ones that.
So I yeah, let's see. So they can't come back,
all right, But I think people but should past mistakes always.
Now we're gonna go into some good stuff here. Should
past mistakes always resurface or is there a room from redemption? Now?
(26:03):
You remember Justin Trudeau, the president of Canada. Okay, I
loved the guy. I thought he was the greatest. I
would would have traded him for Trump, would have traded
the the hot dog for Trump. But always always admired
him as a world leader. So they pulled up something
back in his college days where he wore black face
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or something along those lines, and everybody was trying to
you know, you know, assassinate his character because of that.
And I was like, Okay, in my mind, I was saying, okay,
he was young and dumb, and I know I could
be the first one to raise my hand that when
I was young and dumb, I did some very dumb
things too.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Absolute So with that said.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
And we pull up people from a Supreme Court justices
when they go through their their trials and stuff political candidates, now,
I can't think, well, even Trump, you know, we could say, well,
they pull up stuff from Trump when he was he
said something, well many times he says I'm racist, So
I guess, but racist sex he has a history of that,
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which is a little bit different. But should we give
people an opportunity to redeem themselves from us.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
So I think I think you're supposed to grow and
learn from your mistakes. Now when it becomes a problem
is that you keep repeating. Okay, but you know you
should learn and grow from your mistake.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
So how about David Duke.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
He's not gonna learn from his mistakes. I don't care
about anybody.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
So I'm gonna say is I'm gonna say some people
cannot be redeemed or should not be redeemed. And when
you redeem somebody or let them be redeemed, I think
it depends on the circumstances in which they you know,
they heerd is that right? Well, if you were young
and dumb, whatever, I could say that. They talked about
(27:53):
Robert Bird, the senator, the senator from West Virginia. He
used to be a klansman back in the day, and
he was a Republican then he switched to Democrat, and
you know whatever, he was an upstanding person. So they
always bring back that his past. You know, he redeemed himself,
you know, and in that type in that sense too.
So I think it depends on your circumstances and what
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you did and what you did.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Now, in the entertainment world, there's some people that I me, personally,
I will never ever let them redeem themselves in my eyes,
my judgmental eyes. And that's that's Diddy, that's one. Mar
Kelly is another one. You know, well Bill Cosby, Right.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I can't even watch the Bill Cosby rebruns anymore. Now.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Let me tell you this, I personally could uh let
him in my eyes, he could be redeemed because he's
still throughout his my history, my whole life, he's been
that that icon, that that standard of excellence and who
made us proud this whatever. So his thing was he
did what he did, and he did it for a
(29:03):
long time in the in the past, back when they
not really expected that.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It was accepted, accepted, that was accepted. As wrong as
it was, it was, it was just how it was right.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
And it's not like he didn't make a comedy show
about one of the skits, not sk I guess one
of his acts about Spanish Fly. Yeah, because I remember
that when I was a kids.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You know, yes, I do too, right, Although that's how
it was and it was accepted. It was a lot
of men who weren't doing these things, so you still
was participating in something that you didn't have to participate in.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
So you know what kills me about that when you
do certain things and like, all right, you can go
into a club, you can go into a restaurant and
say hey, I'm William H. Cosby, you know, I'm Bill
Cosby and you can get what you want. Absolutely, and
like Mike Tyson was the same way, and we redeemed
Mike Tyson. We absolutely redeemed you know, getting off ears,
(30:04):
the rape charges.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You know, hitting his spouse, all of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So you're right. I think sometimes we were selective and
it depends on who it is and how creative a
person we thought they were in society or in pop
culture or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, you know we redeemed Rick James, did we?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Though? I did?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Everybody who says I'm.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Rick James bitch facts facts, And his last time on TV,
everybody was standing up and cheering for him, so you
probably you're right we did.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
And of course he wasn't making any music after that
because he was just he was out there. But whatever,
but who does who who does the most canceling?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Oh yeah, we talked about this a little bit before
the minority.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
The marginalize You're like, who decides?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
And yeah, who decides when somebody canceled? Yeah? Right, and
who survives it? And we don't talked about that whole
you know, selective thing. Now, let's say black people, we
try to cancel, you know, people who.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
We would cancel our cousins. Yeah, we will cancel you.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So that's the minority. There's a lot of people, lot
of Latino Hispanics canceled.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Trump, they were, but it was a lot that didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah. Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Listen, I canceled people who black people who voted for Trump.
I was just like, it's nothing you could say to me.
You canceled, you.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Know, and nobody's there in the voting booth. So that's
I don't care. But when you make it known and
you're trying to influence other people knowing what you know
about them, that's that's the problem I have. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, And I don't think he can be redink. No.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I don't think so either, because he has his his
whole life basically, you know, and his father's basically and
his kids he's passing on to his kids and wasn't
one of.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
The uh, the royals, the who's the who's the young one?
Harry is Harry the youngest one. Yeah, okay, so he
at one point in school went to a party dressed
as a Nazi.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh yeah, I remember that. So remember that.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
They canceled him for five minutes, and he definitely redeemed himself.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And that's a case, like we said, of you know,
being young and dumb. Even though he's a road still
he gets he gets invited to the party. So and
I think him marrying the what's her name, Megan Markle,
Magan Markle.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Listen, I ain't even know she was black un till
they started talking about don't either. I did not even know.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, I didn't know that. I saw her in one movie.
It's about somebody getting married. I don't forgot what it was,
but yeah, I kind of figured that, but I didn't,
you know, I didn't know she ain't the you know,
the standard bearer for black women.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Sore.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But yeah, definitely minority groups. We're gonna say minority groups,
any disenfranchised.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Any disenfranchised, that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
L g B t Q women plus and yeah, right
and men. We canceled men don't take don't really men
as a whole don't really cancel people.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Oh you said, Okay, so I thought you were saying
l g b t Q women separate.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah. Yeah, because women will canceled come together and absolutely
the you know, the l g B t Q community.
Black men maybe not so much, but maybe they didn't
cancel o J. But men altogether, men will never come
(33:52):
together like women will and cancel because because men, you
can't say that men as a whole word marginalized groups
M women were whether you were white, Hispanic, whatever. The Asians,
you don't hear you so much too much, but I'm
sure they probably do it some sort of way.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I guess. I don't know. Yeah, you don't hear too
much from.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, teenagers, the young people cancel people, Yeah, you know
they will, And I think that's where that that's where
it started.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I feel I feel like that's where it started with them.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Every revolution starts with the young people. Every you know,
I give the and I give the young people kudos.
But but that also is uh, it's worrisome for me
because because a lot of the young people right now
are directionless m and they don't they didn't.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Have to like the people that they didn't have a struggle.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Struggle, right, So I can say, well, even if I
didn't have a struggle, my mom had a struggle, my
grandma had a struggle. They're in that generation now where
they don't have that connection to a struggle. You know
that I'll fault though, Yeah, it's our fault.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
We dropped the ball.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, let's see. Do you think canceling I'm gonna throw
this out. Do you think canceling culture has a effect
on mental health?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Hm?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Hmm, because I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Maybe the person getting canceled, but not but not, but
not on.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Both sides of the screen. You know. Let's see they
have we mentioned marginalized groups because we were more or
less the victims and they were the drivers of canceled culture.
So if that has it, most of the time led
(35:50):
to meaningful change. I can tell you one that was unsuccessful.
What Chick fil A. Oh yeah, they still tried to
canceled chickpil A.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That didn't work, Yeah it didn't.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, but some some did lead to meaningful change. Target
Yeah good, Yeah, you know they had the I think
it was a shareholder sued the Bord of Directors or
something along those lines because of you know, decisions that
was made. I think I paid to say it. But
(36:25):
I think Tesla will start changing something. He's actually trying
to change this too. Now he's trying because he's talking about,
you know, funding the Democrats. We're not gonna forget Elon. Yeah,
and I'm not forgetting because he booted me off of
X for no reason.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
What is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I don't know why X, you know, but but yeah,
so they are the vehicle of change.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It can beat the vehicle it can.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I come trying to think of any other thing we
canceled that made any changes. Well, I can think of
right now.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Right right for right now.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Because you know, people, people have short memories for when
it comes.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
To and that's true, and that's why I think people
can redeem themselves. Like I think that's why people can
bounce back. Because remember we were talking about the Shannon
Sharp Sharp thing. He had a little incident. They just
didn't have him on TV for a little while, and boom,
he came right back. And I think it's going to
be the same thing with this one.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Now, did you did you cancel Amazon?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I did not. I just said that. I just said,
I was having problems with Amazon. I want to Walmart.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I wanted to ye, I was like, I like my
Amazon firestick, I like my packages.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Right, you know. So it wasn't that for me. It
was that in my little hobby business, a lot of
the area craft stores were closing down or didn't have
what I needed. Okay, so I was only stuck with
Amazon and Walmart.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
So you was forced it.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, it was just like I really wanted to be like, no,
I don't want to deal with you guys anymore, because,
let's be honest, have to stop.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I order.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I can live without. You know, it's not the end
of the world. But when it comes to what I
need to do for that little business, I needed things,
and I try to go to mom and pop stores.
They're closing up because of Amazon and Walmart, and it's
really getting more difficult to find the things that I need.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Well, I think that's another reason why they don't you know,
crush under or switch under pressure, because they know at
some point people will rely on that.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
We don't have a choice, regardless that we really don't
have a choice. And you know, got a whole list
of you know, the black owned business or women owned
business and all of this stuff. And I was just like,
you want to participate and you want to shop with them.
But and I hear people say this all the time,
why does this cost so much? It costs so much
(38:45):
because you're not a multi billion dollar business who could
get something for five cents and sell it to the
public for two cents, you know. So that's why it
costs so much to be involved in a minority or
black owned business, because it's it's gonna cost you a
little bit more just give, you know, just if you
can support them as best you can. So, yeah, it's
hard in some places. You want to cancel and you can.
(39:09):
And Walmart and Amazon is my thing that's on my list.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
So have you ever now we're not talking about as
a as a people, but have you ever canceled someone
and regretted it because maybe you didn't have all the facts?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
So how about society? Who who have we canceled without
having all the facts? And it happens all the time
they start canceling.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
You know, thats happen all the time.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I'm not really sure. So let me take the risks.
The risk about the risk for that is that you know,
when we start trying to cancel people for every little thing,
what happens is people start being numb to your cause.
You know, even oh here's one, Oh, here's a good one.
So you remember they tried to they tried to cancel
(40:00):
the Little Mermaid because she was black, Yes, and she
they tried to do it was it was a few
things where they tried to cancel because the fictitional people
were black. Right, So recently Marvel decided they're going to
have a white black panther.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I saw that and thought they were lying.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Is that true? That's true, not in the movie but
the comic books. So blond hair, blue eyes, black panther. Right,
So now everybody supporting that, who's gonna everybody else going say? Everybody?
White folks will support it. But but you know what
my comment was on there, I said, Okay, now, this
(40:38):
is this is where you where the risk comes in.
You made all this poopla about you know, black representation,
you know, and it's not whatever. So then now when
the tables were turned, you know, what can you say?
So now anytime that would happen, they could say, well,
and I've read the comments online and the things they
(41:00):
could say well, you didn't have a problem with the Mermaid.
You didn't have a plant problem with Spider Man in
the in the Spider verse because he was Afro Latino.
So they can go back to all these different people,
fictitional ones talking about that, you know, the historical portrayal whatever,
but and say well, you didn't have a problem with that.
But then when we have a problem with this, so
(41:22):
we don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Mmm.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Okay, so that's a risk.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Of that is a risk.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
So that is a risk. People people will fall you know,
your your your complaints will fall on deaf ears right
right now. My thing with that, even with the Black Panther,
most of these people don't even read the comic books.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
That is true.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I don't read I've never read a Black Panther comic book.
I don't even like the comics sometimes because I think
they go too far, it's unbelievable, Like you guys are
going over where. I say that all time. I'll stick
with the movies, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
So, And the only reason why I know anything about
comic books is because my husband fall a very long
time was a comic book collector a very long time.
So I know a little bit about them, but not
a lot. But yeah, I'm like, who's going to support that?
I really thought they were lying. I really did. I
was like, oh, this is a joke. I'm just going
to go right past this. Huh. That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
So outside of canceling, and I'm not always for canceling
stuff like like what's some what's a better alternative?
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Is there one?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
No? I'm gonna tell you why, because when you talk
about the corporate entity, they only understand number dollars.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
It's about dollars and cents, that's right.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
It's like I was. I said it was we had
a it was a it was a supermarket in Atlantic City, right,
and they didn't have that many supermarkets, but it was
like poor like that. It was just a whole the
ghetto was supermarket. You know, I'm not gonna put the
name out there, but I said, this is how you
this is how you make a change. You get everybody
(42:52):
that you can and say, you know what, I spent
two hundred dollars a month in groceries over here, and
all it was take is a thousand people or a
thousand shoppers rather right, and you're losing thirty thousand dollars, right, right,
So you can do stuff like that, But I guess
that's kind of canceling too.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
In that canceling it is, but or I feel like
that's more accountability if I'm going to spend my money here,
because I feel like canceling is based on something that
that person did, and accountability is you, I'm spending my
money here, you owe me ABC and okay, okay, what
I'm saying, yeah with that, So it's an interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
I think. I think canceling is effective because it sends
a message to people and try to alter behavior or
policies or whatever. I don't know if there's anything else. Well,
I think there's other things that's better, but I don't
think there's anything else that will be as effective and
as quickly, right because of you know, the money issue, right,
(43:59):
what is about having to sit down?
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Okay, okay, yeah, I could go for that, or or.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Let's say, even an educational thing, like say, if you
have certain things that a corporation's doing or or a department,
government entity, even a celebrity or a person in the community,
you start educating people, you start having meetings and and
you know, just make people informed of what's going on
and let them make their choices. You know that's that's
(44:30):
probably better. Or you can elect a a representative to say, hey, right,
these are what we want. These are the things. You know,
you can do stuff like that instead of just you know, everybody,
everybody's going to not unything.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah we're not going to shop this day. But you
know that's based on the boycotts. The boycotts work, yes,
you know, but that was because everybody was of one mind,
and we don't. I don't feel like we have that now.
I really don't.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Now we were talking about like the old counseling, right,
like when stuff comes up in the past, do you
think people get canceled for things people did like ten
years ago, twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Well, Bill Cosby got canceled for his past, and let's
face it, most people get canceled for that past because
we don't know about it until another time. Now, with Roseanne,
her business was out immediately because of social media, and
technically she did she's heard what she canceled immediately, like
they took her off her show and they killed her
(45:28):
off the show, so they yes, I don't remember that
they killed her off our show. So they made sure
she wasn't coming back.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Well, another group of people canceled her because of what
she did with the national anthem.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Right, So, so she's had a couple of incidents where
she got canceled, came back, got canceled, but this go around,
at least not with the Corners. They've even taken this
show off now they had their last Conners whatever. Wow.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, okay, so just remember things that you've done in
the past come back to haunt you. I guess depends
on what it did.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
And now that we're living in the social media times,
it happens quickly, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Every everything that's everything could be found on the net, right, okay, right,
so we get what we need. A word of today.
Cancel cancel. Okay, the word of the day is cancel
C A N C E L. Can spell it however
you want to spell it, but just let you know.
(46:31):
So and for all you new listeners that you know,
we have a word of the day for each episode,
and if you get all the words of the day
for every episode during the month and be the first
one to email us with those words, and that's hot topics,
that's h O T T O P I x Podcast
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(46:52):
win the monthly prize and we didn't have one for
last month. Okay, so you know you guys, and that
doesn't matter where you are, you could be any we're
in the world. We can we will accommodate you some
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Speaker 2 (47:03):
So they missed out on that Mercedes last month.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yep, fully loaded Mercedes because you guys didn't want to participate.
Participant and next month we might have something even bigger.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Just don't cancel us.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
But as I always I appreciate you guys for tuning
in and we have some new subscribers. I think we
got like about fifteen new subscribers from the country of Nigeria.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Thank you Nigeria.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
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