June 15, 2025 • 71 mins
“from Portsmouth at midday” [LAST]
The Portsmouth Library is home to the Arthur Conan Doyle Collection, largely made possible by the bequest of Richard Lancelyn Green. This world-renowned collection, the work of one of the foremost Doylean scholars, is a treasure trove for researchers, enthusiasts, and the public. The Collection preserves books, manuscripts, artifacts, and ephemera that illuminate Conan Doyle's life, his beloved Sherlock Holmes, and the cultural impact of his work.Laura Weston is the Education and Learning Officer for the Collection at the Portsmouth City Council, making the collection accessible and engaging to a global audience. Laura joins us to discuss the annual Worldwide Doyle conference, a series of virtual talks by writers, fans, and academics who are passionate about Conan Doyle and Sherlock Holmes. The program is taking place in June and July; all events take place at 7:00 pm BST and are free of charge, and will be available online.How does a city like Portsmouth turn a literary archive into a global attraction — and why does it matter? What behind-the-scenes choices shape the talks and exhibits that bring Sherlock Holmes to life for new audiences? Laura discusses all of this, including the unexpected item in the Collection that made even its curator stop and say, “I didn’t see that coming.”So you can see what’s coming, we share the full calendar of July in “The Learned Societies” segment. Madeline Quinones is back with “A Chance of Listening,” and the Canonical Couplet quiz tests your Sherlock Holmes knowledge, with something from the vaults for the winner. Send your answer to comment @ ihearofsherlock.com by June 29, 2025 at 11:59 a.m. EST. All listeners are eligible to play.
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The Portsmouth Library is home to the Arthur Conan Doyle Collection, largely made possible by the bequest of Richard Lancelyn Green. This world-renowned collection, the work of one of the foremost Doylean scholars, is a treasure trove for researchers, enthusiasts, and the public. The Collection preserves books, manuscripts, artifacts, and ephemera that illuminate Conan Doyle's life, his beloved Sherlock Holmes, and the cultural impact of his work.Laura Weston is the Education and Learning Officer for the Collection at the Portsmouth City Council, making the collection accessible and engaging to a global audience. Laura joins us to discuss the annual Worldwide Doyle conference, a series of virtual talks by writers, fans, and academics who are passionate about Conan Doyle and Sherlock Holmes. The program is taking place in June and July; all events take place at 7:00 pm BST and are free of charge, and will be available online.How does a city like Portsmouth turn a literary archive into a global attraction — and why does it matter? What behind-the-scenes choices shape the talks and exhibits that bring Sherlock Holmes to life for new audiences? Laura discusses all of this, including the unexpected item in the Collection that made even its curator stop and say, “I didn’t see that coming.”So you can see what’s coming, we share the full calendar of July in “The Learned Societies” segment. Madeline Quinones is back with “A Chance of Listening,” and the Canonical Couplet quiz tests your Sherlock Holmes knowledge, with something from the vaults for the winner. Send your answer to comment @ ihearofsherlock.com by June 29, 2025 at 11:59 a.m. EST. All listeners are eligible to play.
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- Episode 8: To Keep the Memory Green
- Episode 153: The Rooms at 221B Baker Street
- The Learned Societies: Sherlockian Calendar
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I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere, Episode three hundred and eleven
the digital archives at the Toronto Public Library.
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In a world where it's always eighteen ninety five. It's
I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere, a podcast for devotees of
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The Game's Afoot as we interview authors, editors, creators, and
other prominent sherlockians on various aspects of the great detective
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Well, thank you, Bill Curtis, so welcome to I Hear
of Sherlock Everywhere, the first podcast for Sherlock Holmes ots
where It's always eighteen ninety five. I'm Scott Monty, I'm
Burt Walder, I'm Bert Are you? Are you headed north
to Toronto?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
These days?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Only in my heart am I headed north? I wish
I was there in person. But the interesting thing is
that you can visit there anytime you like, simply by
using their digital archive online.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah you can. You can check in, but you can
never leave. Oh no, wait, that's the Hotel California.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I'm sorry. Well, once you had a taken a Marriott
a lot like that one.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, but the room service is spectacular.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It is spect and eventually they fix the elevators so
we can do.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Well.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
The good news is if you do check out the
Toronto Public Libraries digital archives, you won't want to leave.
What are they all about, how do you get to them?
And what will we expect to find there? Well, stay tuned.
Our interview with Jesse Amalo is coming up after a
few other things that we're going to cover. We should
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others along too. It's more fun when you listen together
and have this cultural touchstone to share together. Oh the
stately tread on the stairs that means, oh, it means
missus Hudson's coming. No, it means it's the learned societies.
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We take a portion of each episode talk about two
weeks worth of events that are going on in the
Sherlockian world. These can be found at Sherlockianclendar dot com,
which is run by Ronfish. You can certainly look at
all of the entries there by going to Sherlockian Calendar
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dot com and clicking on the various links, and there
also is information there if you would like to get
information in front of Ron for your Scherlokian organization to
help publicize when and where you're going to meet. So
taking a look at the second half of June twenty
twenty five, Bert lead us off.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well. On the fifteenth of June in Seattle, Washington. It's
the Sound of the Baskervilles and in person meeting. David
Hougen is the contact for.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
That excellent And also on the fifteenth and Madison, Wisconsin,
the Notorious Canary Trainers are a meeting in person. You
can talk to Glens and link at the Notorious Canary
Trainer's website.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Our friend Matt Hall in Columbia, Maryland is having a
meeting of Watson's Tin Box of Ellicott City, a dinner meeting.
I thought it was Endicott City, not Ellicotts.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
No, it is Ellicott City.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It is Elicott. Well, I'm wrong again. That's all right, well,
and it's on the sixteenth.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yes, in Irvington, New York on the twenty first of June,
the Three Garadibs of Westchester County. Or is that supposed
to be Irvington or is it Washingtonton?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Sorry, that's a good, good question.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You can check out the three Garradibs at threegaradibs dot com.
Bennettsoue Vezaski are in charge of the Three Garadibs.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yes, The Norwegian Explorers has a virtual meeting on the
twenty first of June. Tom Gottwalt is the contact for that.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Also on the twenty first in Nashville, Tennessee, the Nashville
Scholars of the Three Pipe Problem are having a lunch meeting.
Jeff Stewart is your contact there.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And we have a crossover Scion founded in nineteen ninety
three the clients of Adrian Mulliner and I am involved
in that along with Scott Daniels and David Leal and
Lee Shackleford. And we have a virtual meeting coming up
on June twenty.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Second, Oh excellent.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Oh, and also one that's probably not too far from you,
Bert in Middlesex County, New Jersey. The Middlesex County is
the Middlesex Constabulary is having a meeting on June twenty fifth,
and Paul Hartnett is going to be running that is
that far from you.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It's about it's about an hour and a half south
where I am.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, you got to you really have to be committed
to go to that one.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, the Constabulary insists the Afghan perceivers while a virtual
meeting on June twenty six. Brian Wilson is the contact
for that.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
He's come out of retirement from the Beach Boys. Yes excellent.
In Chicago on June twenty eighth, the Tourists International SS
is having a meeting. Jonathan Schimburg is the contactor. I
sat next to Jonathan at the conclave. A delightful individual
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and you can find more about them at Tourist International
dot org.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
June twenty eighth, in Indianapolis, the Illustrious Clients are on
a field trip. Louise Haskett has all the info.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Are pal Eric Deckers in Claremont, Florida is hosting a
June twenty eighth meeting of the Orange County Pips. You
can check out his page. He set up a meetup
page so people can get involved.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Chicago. On June twenty ninth, the Watsonians will be holding
the Midwest Silver Blaze Race and they have not yet
come forth with a contact.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I think if you register for the Tourist International meeting,
which is the day before, they are coordinating with the Watsonians.
Those are both Chicago outfits, so.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Good checking out.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And then finally, on June twenty ninth, in San Francisco,
the Scourers and Molly mcguires are having a meeting and
who do you contact there? Well, who else but McMurdo.
That'll do it for the Sherilokian Sherlockean Societies learned societies
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this month. If you have additional events to share, OR'd
like to see your group up there, or you just
want to check out what everyone else is doing, just
go to Sherlockian Calendar dot com. Well, if you're listening
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to this, we are beyond the May seventeenth event at Undershaw,
hosted by MX Publishing in celebration of the final volumes
of the MS Book of New Sherlock Holmes Stories. The
good news is the event went on without a hitch.
We got some mail from one of our listeners who
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The MS Books of New Sherlock Holmes Stories, multiple parts,
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Speaker 3 (11:02):
The steady hand of David Markham. They're divided up into
eras from eighteen eighty one to eighteen eighty nine, eighteen
ninety to eighteen ninety five and eighteen ninety six and beyond.
For anyone who's interested in pastiches or any kind of
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one of the volumes of the MS Book of New
Sherlock Holmes Stories at MS publishing dot com. Jesse Amalo
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has been the Services Specialist and curator the Toronto Public
Libraries Arthur Conan Doyle Collection since twenty eighteen. During her tenure,
she's been involved in acquiring and maintaining library materials, participated
in conferences, arranged programs, curated gallery shows, and contributed to publications.
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Jesse Amalo, Welcome to I hear of Sherlock everywhere.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, why don't you fill us in and tell us
about how you first met Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Oh that's a great question. Well, I will say that
I always kind of knew about him growing up, as
he is universal. I had probably seen some films here
and there when I was younger, possibly read some short stories.
But actually one memory that sticks out is when I
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was in when I was in school, I was living
at home still, and my parents used to watch the
show Elementary every week and I would just kind of
get sucked in every week just from being around, and
then I'd start, you know, watching the intro and then
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by the end of it, I was watching the whole
episode with them. So yeah, that was just kind of
a bit of a fond memory, just because I've since
lost my father, so it was just a nice time
growing up. So it's something that I will always remember.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, it's those it's sometimes those adolescent, those childhood memories
and connections that we forge that end up being so
strong throughout the rest of our lives. Now, as you
began getting sucked into the television series, did you at
any point find yourself curious about the stories and and
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what did you do about that?
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Yeah, I mean I was curious about the stories. I
did end up reading them all in time, and yeah,
I've I've really enjoyed them. What can I say? Uh,
I do I do enjoy them? Yes, I do absolutely
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enjoy them, and I've grown to really appreciate them a
lot more having you know now that I know so
much about Conan Doyle and and Sherlock Holmes and the
type of appreciation that that they that they attract. It's
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it's just been wonderful.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
What what was your What was your experience when you
joined the the TEP, the Toronto PubL Library. Were you
was it must have been like a fire hose. I mean,
if you you know, you'll see elementary and you read
the Sherlock home stories, and then all of a sudden,
you know, it's like a whole other universe, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
It totally is. And I was very naive at the time.
I truly had no idea. But it's been wonderful, you know,
getting to see just how much is out there about
Sherlock and Conan Doyle. So if you want to hear
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a little bit of how I ended up here, sure, yes, yeah.
So I started working at the library as a teenager.
Who was I have a mother who worked who worked
for the system, and she encouraged me as a teen
it's a great job opportunity for teenagers, and so I stayed.
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I stayed working for the library for a while and
I really enjoyed it, and at a certain point I
decided I want to make this my career. So I
then went to what they call library school, got my
Masters of Information Sciences, and I also studied So while
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I was there, I really found I had a strong
interest in rare books, manuscripts, and I even went back
and studied some archives. So at that point I was
kind of finding my niche was kind of the rare
book area. And I'm very fortunate I work in a
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very large library system and we have a really wonderful
special collections department, So I kind of made that my focus.
And I was very fortunate in that I ended up
in that department very quickly after I graduated. And then
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soon after I was given an opportunity to fill in
for my predecessor, Peggy Purdue. Well, she was on she
took a short leave, I believe, to travel, so I
was able to fill in for her for six months
and I gained incredible experience during that time. I got to,
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you know, really sample all the hard work she does
and yeah, and then that led to an opportunity for
a permanent position after she she moved on to a
more senior role in the department.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
So yeah, yeah, say Jesse for those folks that are
listening who might not know anything at all about the
Toronto Public Library. Can you talk a little bit about
special Collections as a universe and where Conan Doyle fits
in there.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, happy to So. Special Collections at the Toronto
Public Library in some ways has been around for over
one hundred years. Toronto Public Library started quite early and
a lot of collectings started very early on. Now I'm
talking more about some of our Canadian historical collections, but
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that's kind of the basis of special Collections here at
Toronto Public Library. So we over time, we have acquired
some really wonderful things or materials just over the years,
and we're very fortunate to have some of those things
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in our collections today that we may not have been
able to acquire had we just kind of started up.
But so, Special Collections at the Toronto Public Library has
a really rich history and it has always been well.
Right now, it's at the Toronto Reference Library, so that's
the large downtown branch, So that's where you'll find most
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of our special collections. I say most because we have
a couple other collections that are still under our umbrella
but are located at a different kind of library. But
just to go over some of the collections that we have,
we have the Baldwin Collection of Canadiana, so that focuses
on Canadian history and that you'll find things like books,
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rare maps, manuscripts related to Canadian history, Toronto history, artwork,
photographs and ephemera, all kind of documenting Canadian Canadian history.
Another collection we have is Special Collections in the Arts.
This kind of focuses more on both performing arts, mainly
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Canadian performing arts. We have things like stage designs, we
have costume designs, we have records from various theater designers,
we have programs like musical programs, all all those sorts
of things. And then also within that in the arts
are art books, so that that is a focus on
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visual arts. So we might have books that are a
complete artists work, or we have items that are what
we call artist books. So artist books are kind of
books that are kind of created like a work of
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art rather than for their practical nature. They are more
a work of art. And oh also in that we
have Incannabulous, So those are books published in the first
fifty years of the printing press, mainly mainly books and
in Latin and things like that, but they are quite
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old those ones day back to about the earliest are
about fourteen seventies fourteen sixties, So we have I believe
we have maybe even close to fifty of those. I
might have to check, but we do have a great
collection of those. And then recently, in recent years, we
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started the Chinese Canadian Archives, so that's a community led
archive and it documents the history of Chinese Canadians in
Canada but also in Toronto and how that has changed
over time. And then obviously the Arthur Qunadora Collection, which
I will come back to actually, but then we're moving
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out of Toronto Reference Library. At a different library, the
Lillian H. Smith Branch, there's the Marrow Collection of science fiction,
fantasy and speculative fiction, and the Osborne Collection of early
children's Literature. So those are kind of all of the
collections that fall under the scope of special collections.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That's impressive, and even more impressive is that you can
rattle it all off well well.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
As curators, we are kind of expected to know generally
about all of the collections so that we can provide,
you know, access.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Now if people are interested in seeing some of the
collection or using the system as part of their research.
Is that available for anyone to partake in?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Oh yeah, I mean so using the collections in their research. Yeah,
so they can do that many ways. They can obviously
schedule a time to come by I see schedule. People
can drop in. We tend to suggest making an appointment
if they have kind of a large research question and
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it might be better to you know, give it some
thought before before we have the patroon come in so
we can gather materials and set them aside. Also just
trying to think. Well, obviously the digital archive, which we'll
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get into, is it has been a huge kind of
game changer for research and our ability to help remote
users who aren't able to access the library in person.
Uh so that's a big that's a big component there. Yeah,
so it's kind of a kind of a mix.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
We try to help people who are able to visit
and also remote users as much as we can.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So one of the things one of the reasons we
wanted to talk to you is because we saw some
news from the Magic Door, that's the newsletter from the
Friends of the Arthur Conan Doyle Collection in a recent
issue that there is a growing digital archive there, and
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we're interested in hearing more about that. So why don't
you tell us a little bit first of all about
the ACD collection and then more about you know, these
recent developments in digitization.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Yeah, so okay, I'll start with the Arthur Conan Doyle Collection.
It is one of the world's largest research collections devoted
to Conan Doyle and his life and works. In it,
we have over about twenty five thousand items. Many of
them are relating to Sherlock Holmes, but it does include
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a range of Doyle's fiction and his nonfiction. So it's
it's not just Sherlock Holmes, it is it is his whole,
his entire life and works, and some highlights of what
we have. So we have things like manuscripts and correspondents,
so within that you'll find things like letters. We have
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some short stories, we have some notebooks, we have some
travel diaries, we have some articles. Yeah, that's that's mainly
the extent of We have some plays within our manuscript collection,
so those are all in in Conan Doyle's hand. We
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do have various editions, uh so early editions, first editions,
and we have things like translations. So we have an
incredible amount of language translations. We have our parodies and
pastiches as you would expect. We have biographies, criticisms, and bibliographies,
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so some of the more research materials. We have many,
many periodicals by Sherilockian groups from all over the world.
We have a great collection of those, some very comprehensive
and very you know, far reaching in terms of, you know, geographically,
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so that's wonderful. We're always adding to that. So another
thing that we have in the collection is stage and
screen adaptations. So within that that would include things like programs,
film scripts, stage designs, costume designs, any kind of book
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published about adaptations. And I will I will come back
to the programs and the costume designs because we do
have some local designs from every year in in Ontario
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at Niagara on the Lake, there's a big festival called
the Shaw Festival, and there there's been a few years
in recent years that they have put on Sherlock Holmes plays.
So sometimes we're able to acquire like costume designs or
scripts or things like that from from local plays. But
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our collections are comprehensive, so we do try to collect
obviously all all programs that we can get our hands on,
but just just a shout out to Shaw in Toronto
or in Ontario. So we have photographs. So we have
I believe over one hundred and fifty photographs related to
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Conan Doyle. So those include things like we have portraits.
We have a lot of travel photos, so photos from
his travels in Europe, Canada, Australia, and some of his
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kind of spiritualism tours. We have spirit photos. We have
actual photos of Conan Doyle appearing in spirit photos and
some family photos just along those lines. And that's a
(28:48):
good question. I have a favorite portrait photo. He's kind
of like leaning on a fence. It's just a I
don't know, it's kind of just a wonderful photo of him.
He looks very he looks he looks just like an author.
It's hard to describe. He's just very in it. I
don't know. But and then I do love We have
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some of his spiritualism photos, so those are kind of neat.
A couple of those they are digitized, so if you're curious,
you can check them out online. But yeah, you get
things like ghosts and orbs and those kinds of elements
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appearing in photos with Conan Doyle. So those are those
are quite unique and maybe my favorites.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, Now in terms of the digitization, it seems to
me like the photos would be top priority there. But
what sorts of things have you and your team begun
to digitize and and how do you decide what gets
to tize first?
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Yeah, so that's a great question. I had a feeling
you'd ask me that question, so let me start with
that one. So how do we decide what gets digitized first?
So I will say that we are very conscious of
copyright with special collections. We are in a unique position
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as we do as we have very old materials in
many of our collections that are out of copyright, so
we have to work within, you know, with with that
framework in mind, so we digitize public domain items. So
that's first and foremost. With the Conan Doyle collection, I
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tended to focus more on primary source materials, so items
that researchers might not have access to because we may
have one of the only copies here and early early
you know, copies of it, so or in some cases
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one of the kind So with that primary source I
kind of thought of the photos and then also the
manuscripts that we have. So we have we have about
two hundred i'd say manuscripts in our collection. And so
within that there's different different things in that. There's letters
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we have, We have many letters, I think almost one
hundred and sixty or seventy letters. We have a few
short stories that conandol wrote. We have some plays that
he wrote. Articles we have like diaries, travel diaries and
(31:56):
things like that, and some notebooks so and those are
all in Doyle's own handwriting. So these are things that
are quite unique and would really kind of researchers, especially
remote researchers, would really benefit from having access to these things.
(32:16):
And also even just considering rare and valuable items like
first editions, things like that that maybe or more obscure
early editions, again, things that researchers might not have easy
access to, so we've prioritized those. Also, we are a
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comprehensive collection, so I think it's important to consider a
variety of subjects when digitizing. So, for instance, Conan Doyle,
as many people know, got very involved in spiritualism, and
we do have a pretty strong spiritualism collection here at
the library. So so you know, obviously we want Sherlock
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you know, to be to be quite prevalent. But just
you know, including different aspects of Cornan Doyle's life to
give more gives a more broad and comprehensive look at
our collection. And then you can also consider like a
variety of formats as I mentioned, even just photos, manuscripts, books.
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We have some original art online. We have some sheet
music that Cornan Doyle wrote or was written about Sherlock Holmes.
We have kind of epemera like pamphlets and things like that,
theater programs, we have translations, so just different kinds of
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materials too, depending on you know, what what researcher might
be focusing on. So yeah, well it's.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
An amazing inventory and the fact that it's all been digitized,
so as I understand it, there what about eight hundred
items have been digitized so far.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Is that a good number?
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Yeah, yeah, so that's a good number. So yeah, I'll
let me give you a little overview about our digital archive.
So it's a digital platform where the library is able
to scan material and have it online available digitally. Again,
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as I mentioned, Special Collections is in a unique position
to do this because of a lot of the materials
in our collections are out of copyright now. With the
Arthur Conan Doyle collection, it does include very contemporary items,
so obviously those items would not be would not qualify
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for digitization. However, a lot of the early early content
we can still consider for digitization. So and also in
doing this we provide access to remote users and it
also serves to help preserve materials, you know, just to
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cut down on maybe some of the the use the
physical use of the item. So just as an an
alternative format that people have access to. So for the
Arthur Conan Doyle content, yes, there's about seven hundred items
online within that we've digitized, books, photographs from you know,
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from his travels, manuscripts. As I mentioned Epemeram there was
some original artwork in their theater programs, all kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, well, very good. But is there anything that stands
out to you? You know, one of the things that
struck me A couple of things struck me when I
was looking at the digital platform online. One is that
it wasn't all that long ago that all of this
was sort of a unknown and be hidden from site.
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I mean, there's a sort of a story associated with
the Crown Diamond manuscript which turned up in an exercise
book and had been kept very close closely guarded by
Conan Doyle's son and his wife, and that happily was
donated to the Toronto Public Library. Now you can see,
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you know, what had been hidden from view. You know,
the whole exercise book is available, but also the letters,
you know, the letters of Conan Doyle writing to his
editor Greenhouse Smith at the Strand give you an insight
into the issues that got his attention and his notes,
(37:11):
you know, really as beautifully composed of some of his
proses as he just you know, it's like you're sort
of listening in on a reading through a conversation in
real time. Is there is there anything that as you've
looked at all of this that stood out to you
that you said, oh wow, look at that.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Well, definitely the letters which you've which you've just touched on.
We have an incredible collection of letters from Conan Doyle
to his editor at the Strand, Greenhouse Smith. Those letters,
so we have about ninety five of them and they
mainly cover the time period from about nineteen oh three
(37:53):
to nineteen thirty and they make many references to the
Sherlock Holmes stories and in particular the Return of Sherlock
Holmes and some some some notes about the Hound of
the Baskervilles. And yeah, it's just gives a real insight
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into their relationship, into their business dealings. Seemed like they
had a lot of respect for each other, and they
go into things like plot negotiations. They kind of talk
about Conan Doyle talks about proofs and installments. He kind
of he kind of talks about in some of them,
(38:35):
how he's having difficulty remembering the the last installment and
can you send me a copy and things like that.
They talk about edits, they go over some copyright, you know,
(38:55):
things like that. So it's it's just really interesting to see.
And they also talk about they have discussions about kind
of the the order they're going to publish the stories
in kind of you know, separating up some of the
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more violent ones from the less violent ones, and thoughts
around around that the flow of the stories. So yeah,
it's just fascinating stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Are you always on the lookout for more conon Oyl material?
I mean, how does the collection continue to grow or
does it do do view it as a static collection?
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Oh yeah, so definitely we are always looking to grow.
We really try to be as comprehensive as we can,
and as you know that so much has been written
about and created around Sherlock Holmes and Arthur Conan Doyle
and continues to be so. As curator, I mean, I'm
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always on the lookout for items that we may have
you know, missed or are missing from our earlier days
of collecting some rare earlier editions. I will say though
we have a pretty pretty whole collection, but also any
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new books that come out, I'm always on the lookout
to get those. And then we also really welcome donations,
so if anyone's ever interested in donating to the collection,
that's one way that we acquire new materials. So yes,
we're always always adding to the collection and looking for
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any opportunity to you know, so.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
If someone came to you with a previously unknown doctor
John H. Watson manuscript, you take that all right.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, yes, we would definitely take that.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
That would be the ultimate.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
Flying Yeah, it really would. Yeah. Yeah. I obviously work
very closely with the friends of the Arthur Conandoyle collection
that we have here at the library. They're a wonderful
organization and we uh so they put on like a
(41:34):
large lecture every year, the Cameron Hallier Memorial Lecture, and
I'm all I'm involved in I'm involved in that, and
then I'm also involved in their newsletter. I have a
regular column. And then also the Bootmakers of Toronto. We
work closely with them, so they have programs here at
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the library throughout the year, their events, and I'm currently
involved with the a CD Society. I am a chair
for their honors, their honors awards that they present every year,
(42:19):
so I oversee the Visual Arts Award that is awarded
for two people who have contributed, you know, works of
art relating to Sherlock Holmes and Arthur Conand well, so
that's something that I'm involved in every year.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Well, and speaking of art, isn't there a little alleyway
near the TPL that is uh decorated with Sherlock and
are what what's that all about?
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Yeah? So that's the Sherlock Holmes Walk Mural. So this
was a project that the friends had been they had
put forth many years ago actually, and it finally has
has come to happen, which is great. There was some
involvement from counselors and things like that. And and a
(43:14):
Toronto art group called street Art Toronto. So it was
kind of a group of of organizations involved. Sorry I'm
I'm if I'm not explaining this very well, but so basically,
it is a mural that is that appears behind the
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library and it was commissioned by street Art Toronto and
a call went out to fifteen street artists and they
created artwork that is inspired by Conan Doyle and Sherlock Holmes.
So they they you know, use their own enter reputations
(44:00):
of the stories, their own experiences and they created this
this huge mural that represents cornandl Sherlock and was inspired
by the collection. And it is a temporary mural at
the moment, it resides on some construction hoarding that is
(44:26):
that that is temporary, but we're hoping to have it
become a permanent installation. So the building that it is
currently up against is the Toronto Transit Commission building that's
being renovated and we're hoping that it will become a
(44:47):
permanent installation there.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
And that would be lovely mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (44:53):
Yeah, it's really wonderful. It's a it's an extremely long
one hundred and fifty foot long walkway and you can
see wonderful art up on the wall, and you know,
it's just also gives people, you know, as kind of
a sense of what they can see, you know, when
(45:14):
they come up and visit the collection.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
So yeah, yeah, just as you've spent more time with
the collection. I know you joined in twenty eighteen, so
we're talking about almost seven years of association with this
collection and with Conan Doyle. How have your perceptions of him,
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either as an author or as an individual changed or
evolved over that time.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
Yeah, well, you know, I'll be honest, when I started
the job, I didn't know too much about him other
than he was the author of the Sherlock stories. I've
kind of grown to appreciate just how kind of curious
and inquisitive he was. He he really kind of wanted.
(46:14):
I got a sense that he wants He wanted to
kind of learn everything and and write about all aspects
of things, even you know, things going on in daily life.
He wanted to get involved in so many different things
like politics and you know, the wars, and and you know,
(46:40):
writing and just just all kinds of things. So I've
really come to appreciate that. I call it curiosity, and
I I kind of relate to that because I'm a
little bit similar in my in my curiosity. I like to,
(47:00):
you know, learn as much as I can and absorb
as much as I can. So yeah, and I will
say I will say, you know, I've really grown to
appreciate to all of the all of the research and
scholarship that has that has grown around Conan Doyle, you know,
(47:23):
just I've learned some some really wonderful things from all
the scholars and it's been great to kind of have
a front row seat to all that.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Well, and I think that that goes hand in hand,
that the curiosity of researchers following along the curiosity of
Conan Dowell. You know, I think it was I think
it was Dorothy Parker who once said that curiosity is
the cure for boredom, and that there is no cure
(47:56):
for curiosity.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Well, for the curious among us, Where can we go
online to learn more about the Arthur Conan Doyle collection
and the digital archive?
Speaker 5 (48:11):
Yeah, so, so if you go to the Toronto Public
Library website, which is you can just shorten it TPL
dot ca. There's a tab at the top that says
E resources in Research, and if you just kind of
hover over that, you'll see at the bottom right there's
(48:33):
a link to the digital archive and from there it
gives you a search bar. So this is grouping in
all of our different special collections that I that I noted,
but if you did a search for Arthur Conan Doyle,
it will pull up over seven hundred and fifty items.
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And this is something that we're constantly adding to if
you're curious about the process. Basically, to get something digitized,
we use what we call a content management system, so
it's kind of like the back end of what you see.
So we put in all of the relevant metadata and
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then once that's done, there is an internal department at
Toronto Public Library, at the Toronto Reference Library here where
my colleagues then will scan the items. They have special
scanners for rare items, and once the item is scanned,
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they will link the item to the metadata record and
the item comes back to us and we check the
record and then we will in a sense publish it
and then it will appear on the digital archives. So yeah,
we're always working through adding things. I mean there's seven
(50:04):
hundred items. There are over twenty five thousand items in
the collection. Obviously, as I mentioned, a great deal of
them are still in copyright, but definitely there are many
items that would be eligible for the digital archive. So
it's one of our, you know, our regular kind of
(50:29):
tasks here. We definitely prioritize adding things to the digital
archive because they they serve. It serves so many of
our users and helps show what we have in special collections.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Right, excellent.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Well, I am looking forward to peaking under the hood
just a little bit more myself, and looking forward to
what more comes our way in the digital Archive of
the Arthur Conan Doyle Collection at the Toronto Public Library. Jesse,
thank you so much for sharing your journey and your
(51:09):
really interesting job with us here on I hear of
sher luck everywhere.
Speaker 5 (51:13):
Thank you, thank you so much for having me. It's
a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
It's amazing. You know, we know so little about so
many authors, and then we know so much about so
many other authors. But the first time I went to
the digital collection of the library online, I was really
struck by well, a couple of things. One is it's
really easy to find things, and two, you know, the
(51:51):
quality of the digitization is just terrific. And you can
download copies of these letters and the other images and
things that you can find if you want to look
at them a little more closely. But really what came
out to me is that so much of this material
is so insightful about the world and mind of Conan Doyle.
(52:12):
You know, you find him writing to his editor, you know,
and there's no preamble to any of these letters, you know, like, oh,
how nice to see you the other day. No, you know,
it's my dear smith. And then bang, you know, detective
stories would not fairly characterize them. And I want to
give myself a very freehand. And he's just writing about
(52:34):
things that he has underway. He's writing about he's keeping
his editor informed about his progress. I just finished story
number five. It's not very good, and it just opens up,
you know, all new window into thinking about Conan Doyle
and how he produced everything he produced.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
It sounds like some of my letters. Actually it's not
very good.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Just finished it.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
No, I think you're absolutely right. I mean this window
that we get into Conan Doyle and just his his mindset.
And to me, one of the things that Jesse said
that stuck with me is it was about his insatiable
curiosity and how lucky we are that Conan Doyle was
(53:26):
curious about so many things. Obviously, you know it led
him to write the sixty stories about Holmes, but so
many other things across so many different paths of life.
And you get a sense the way she was describing
him that two lifetimes would not have been enough for him,
given his voracious interests and passions that he had for
(53:50):
so many things. So have you ever had a chance
to go up and physically visit the Toronto Public Library?
Speaker 1 (53:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (53:58):
No, I haven't something to look forward to.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Yeah, yeah, I was up there, gosh, maybe about ten
years ago, speaking at a conference just around the corner
from the library. So I made it a point to
reach out to Peggy McFarland, who would purdue, who was
there at the time, and she gave me a lovely
(54:23):
private tour of the collection and behind the scenes. And well,
I didn't have nearly enough time to spend there, just
as Conan Doyle doesn't seem to have nearly enough years
to complete all of his interests. The conversation kept going,
and we have it as bonus content for our subscribers.
(54:44):
We have a quick sample here. If you'd like to
hear the entire thing, just to sign up at Patreon
dot com, slash I hear of Sherlock or I hear
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Speaker 2 (54:57):
And no, if I ever knew this, I'd forgotten. But
his youngest sister, you know. And she was the one
who was named after Brian Waller, the doctor. So this
is Brian Mary of something something. Doyle wrote a book
and she had the strangest pseudonym for it. She wrote
(55:21):
it under the name of h Ripley crow Marsh. Yeah,
and Grant Richards who published Duet his book Duet around
nineteen hundred or whatever.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
It was.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Also published her book by h Ripley Crow Marsh, the
Episodes of Marge Memoirs of a Humble Adventurous And the
only reason I know this existed is that I was
looking at the archive at the Toronto Digital Public Library
and there's a letter Dear Grant Richards, you know, and
he's writing a to find out if they owe him
(56:01):
some money because he hasn't had any money from them
about Duet in a while.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
And b.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
You know his sister's book. Wow, she apparently wrote two books.
Speaker 3 (56:15):
Did she have a different pseudonym for the other one.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I think she eventually just copped to her married name,
which was she married a guy named Angel I think
or angel or or I don't know a n G E.
Double Ella as I.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
Remember it.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
Was Hosmer with two hours.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah, it's a good question. I wonder if it was
before or after Osmer.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
Well, we will have to write to p Jehoseph Fat
you're a smart guard and.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
What esquire squire?
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yeah, it goes right to the lawyer.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, and that that there has to be a special
part of every author's brain that is dedicated to inventing names.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:10):
I mean we've got that old Donald Redmond book, a
study in sources where he looks at somebody. If you'd
like to hear the rest of this bonus episode, please
sign up with us as a supporter. It's a chance
of listening with your correspondent, Madeleine Kiyonez.
Speaker 7 (57:34):
Hello, everyone, I'm Madeline Keyannis, and today we are diving
into a podcast that got started in twenty twenty. Here's
the thing. I think the COVID nineteen pandemic gave new
meaning to the words here though the world explode. These
two survive because the world did explode, but the Sherlocking
(57:58):
community survived. We found new ways to stay connected despite Lockdown.
This is actually when I found my way into the
community finally, when I found out that Sherlokans were holding
society meetings on zoom. This is when Five Miles from
Anywhere got started, and when the John H. Watson Society
as an international society was able to have meetings for
(58:19):
the first time ever, and some societies, including those two,
are still zooming. During this time, Steve Doyle came up
with the video podcast The Fortnightly Dispatch as another way
to stay connected. Each episode he interviews a different Sherlokian
or discusses Srilokan history in a small group setting. But
unlike Ihosts or the Baker Street Babes, the interviews are
(58:42):
really not about current or upcoming projects. Because the first
season is recorded in Lockdown, and the second season is
recorded during the transition period from Lockdown to the vaccine rollout,
and then the third season follows the established format, this
allows for more of a cozy chat between friends or
an oral history style of interview. You get truly a
(59:04):
wealth of interesting and wonderful Srilankians, including two who are
no longer with us, Nicholas you Tekin and Russell Merritt.
There's some overlap with I host guests, and Scott and
burtshow up themselves that every episode is fun and well
worth the listen. So let's get to the highlights. Well,
this is a video podcast, so I think it's only
(59:26):
fair to call out the two episodes in particular which
really take advantage of the visual medium. The interview with
Ross Davies in season two is arguably the best interview
with Ross on any podcast, for the simple reason that
we get to see some of the stuff he makes.
If you know Ross, you know he likes to make
(59:46):
neat collectibles for his green Bag publications, and here we
actually get to see some of that. The funny thing
is that the other episode with a strong visual component
also involves Ross. It's called Davies and Doyle and flips
the script so that Ross is interviewing Steve, and Steve
takes us on a video tour of his very cool basement.
(01:00:09):
It's a lot of fun. I'll throw on one more episode.
Alexander Wilcott in the BSI, an episode from season three
featuring Ray Batsterer and Steve Rothman. We're in The three
men discuss the first BSI Dinner and the infamous intrusion
of Alexander Wilcott. It's a different and fun look at
Sherlocke in history. The Fortnightly Dispatch has been on a
(01:00:33):
bit of a hiatus for a while. Possibly there was
some sort of conference or con clave getting in the way. Maybe.
I do recall Steve saying that he wanted to make
the show a limited run and that it wasn't quite
done yet, So I do hope he finishes it someday.
(01:00:53):
And that's all I've got for now. Now I've got
a run and record my own podcast. Bye.
Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Oh what a delight, Madeline, that you continue this series.
And I am sadly aware that by the time that
summer winds down by mid September, I think you will
have exhausted this wonderful series you will be out of
Sherlockian podcasts to review. Really, So yeah, yeah, and I
(01:01:28):
mean this one was great, you know, the Fortnightly Dispatch
it's a video podcast, which is a nice change up.
You know, I think we've spent a lot of time
only on audio podcasts, and Steve Doyle is a he's
a video guy. He's a video producer, So it makes
sense that you want to do that. But I guess
(01:01:51):
we should. We should kind of plan for what kind
of segment we'll have that will replace Madeline's lovely segment here.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Eventually we have to give Madeline a new topic, or
people need to start more podcasts.
Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Or you know, if folks have ideas and you want
to send them in to us, please let us know,
shoot us a noteed comment that I hear of Sherlock
dot com and put forth your suggestions. You know, of
course we have the events that we talked about in
the early part of the show. We've had this wonderful
thing with with online, with with you know, with podcasts.
(01:02:29):
But what else would you like us to hear? Would
you like to hear from us? Would you like us
to cover in the way of Sherlockian interest? Could be
I don't know, a theater review, book review, interview, you know,
short interviews, etcetera. I don't know, I don't know, But
(01:02:50):
we will rely on you, dear listeners, because you are
the ones who well unfortunately have to listen to all
of this. God bless oh those strings can mean only
one thing, that's right. It is time for the canonical couplet,
(01:03:12):
the Sherlockean Quiz program, where we give you two lines
of poetry and ask you to tell us which Sherlock
Holmes story we're talking about. The Last time we were here,
in episode three hundred and ten, we gave you this clue.
Dogs don't make mistakes, claimed Sherlock Holmes. That uncovered the ruse,
(01:03:37):
as did some old bones. Well, speaking of old bones, Burte,
do you know what the heck we're talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Of course I do. Of course that's the case. James M.
Dodd is a soldier who consults Sherlock Holmes and asks
him to find his lost comrade, Godfrey EM's Word, who
was in hiding because he was humiliated in a hazing ritual.
It's the case. Watson called the pants soldier.
Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
That one hurt.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
I'm not making this up, you.
Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Know, No, I wish you would. Yeah, I was afraid
you'd say that. Well, this is something else. And we
turned to our pal, Eric Deckers, who says, jinkies have
a nice nod to Thelma of Velma from Scooby Doo.
(01:04:43):
He says, Jinkies, I've solved it. This is the story
of how, with the aid of Holmes and Watson, Sir
Robert Norburton and his friends covered up the death of
Lady Beatrice Norburton by parading her body around the grounds
of the Norburton estate to make it look like she
was still alive. It's the story Watson called Weekend at
(01:05:04):
Shosco Mold Place. Except I may be thinking of another
classic piece of cinema, and this one is just the
adventure of Shosco Mold Place. Well, that is correct, Eric,
you're on the right track. Well, in this case we
(01:05:25):
had a number of people who, of course did get
it right. I'm glad to hear that. And so we
will pull out the prize wheel and give it a
big speed.
Speaker 8 (01:05:40):
It is going around and around and landing on number
twenty eight, twenty eight, And that looks like it is.
Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
A Rich christiuness, very rich. Glad to have you back
on board here. And this has nothing to do Bert,
I should say with Rich giving me a ride to
the Canonical Conclave last month. So, Rich, we have something
from the Ihose vaults. And oh, as a matter of fact,
(01:06:19):
it's a custom gift ah, something that you and I
were talking about on that ride, so that should be
an interesting addition to our prize vault. Now, this time around,
we have another Vaultian prize for the person who, when
correctly selected via the prize wheel, guesses this clue the
(01:06:46):
killer nearly escaped if it weren't for a hook, The
clue was buried in a half remembered book. If you
know the answer to this Episodd's canonical couplet, put it
in an email addressed to comment about her at Sherlock
dot com with canonical couplet in the subject line. If
(01:07:07):
you are among all the correct answers and we choose
your name at random, you'll win.
Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Good luck.
Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Oh boy, oh boy.
Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Oh boy.
Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Oh wait, we did it, We did it well. We
have a couple of interesting things in the hopper for
future interviews. I'm just waiting for a few things to
clear before we can announce what they are, or who
they are, or when they will be. But we are
always looking for exciting folks to interview and to share
(01:07:40):
ideas with the Sherlockean community, so feel free to keep
the ideas coming our way.
Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
People.
Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
We appreciate your participation absolutely. Now next up for you,
Bert here, and we're now at the middle of May.
What's going on on your Sherlock calendar in the near future?
Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Well, is it we having a joint meeting of the
men on the Tour and the Cornish Horns in beautiful Waterford,
Connecticut on Sunday, the eighteenth of May.
Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
That sounds lovely. I remember my tour days very very happily.
Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
And we will probably certainly be celebrating the life of
our dear departed friend Tyke n Iver.
Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
So he was a big force in my Sherlock in life,
and I was asked to write his terrace, you know,
stand with me here upon the Terraces as we do
for regulars. I was asked to write that for the
Baker Street Journal, and we'll have a multimedia version up
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I think on the IHOS website and not too long.
Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
But oh good.
Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
You know this is one of those because he was
so close, it became more difficult to write rather than
easier to write. I don't know that brings true for you.
Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Oh yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Yeah, you want to get it just right and honor
his memory appropriately. And there's so much that you know,
I could share, but it needs to be a reasonable
length but for those of you who don't want to
wait for that, or don't even care to listen to
look at it, we did interview Tyke and Teddy Niver
(01:09:26):
here on the show. I think back on episode one
twenty six called Becoming the Gillettes, of course in Connecticut.
They both donned period garb and showed up at Gillette
Castle where the men on the tour used to meet,
and they impersonated William and Helen Gillette and informed visitors there,
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tourists and whatnot, purely out of the goodness of their hearts.
They were not paid employees or anything. They just did
it because they loved it, brought joy to so many
people and doing so well in the meantime. We hope
that we have brought you some joy around here people.
And this is the always joyful Scott Monty.
Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
And I'm the perpetually cheerful Bertwolder.
Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Oh turn on the perpetual cheer machine, shall we? And
together we say the Gamess suck a foot foot, the
Games on a foot. I'm afraid with the pleasure of
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this conversation, I'm neglecting business of importance which awaits me.
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Goodbye and good luck, and believe me to be my
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Okay, anytime you're ready, any time I'm ready, or if
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No, no, I can pick it up. I'm just thinking
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I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere, Episode three hundred and eleven
the digital archives at the Toronto Public Library.
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I had a shot up very well since Julie gave
a strong man.
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In a world where it's always eighteen ninety five. It's
I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere, a podcast for devotees of
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The Game's Afoot as we interview authors, editors, creators, and
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to Toronto?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
These days?
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Only in my heart am I headed north? I wish
I was there in person. But the interesting thing is
that you can visit there anytime you like, simply by
using their digital archive online.
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Yeah you can. You can check in, but you can
never leave. Oh no, wait, that's the Hotel California.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I'm sorry. Well, once you had a taken a Marriott
a lot like that one.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, but the room service is spectacular.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It is spect and eventually they fix the elevators so
we can do.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Well.
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The good news is if you do check out the
Toronto Public Libraries digital archives, you won't want to leave.
What are they all about, how do you get to them?
And what will we expect to find there? Well, stay tuned.
Our interview with Jesse Amalo is coming up after a
few other things that we're going to cover. We should
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stately tread on the stairs that means, oh, it means
missus Hudson's coming. No, it means it's the learned societies.
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We take a portion of each episode talk about two
weeks worth of events that are going on in the
Sherlockian world. These can be found at Sherlockianclendar dot com,
which is run by Ronfish. You can certainly look at
all of the entries there by going to Sherlockian Calendar
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dot com and clicking on the various links, and there
also is information there if you would like to get
information in front of Ron for your Scherlokian organization to
help publicize when and where you're going to meet. So
taking a look at the second half of June twenty
twenty five, Bert lead us off.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well. On the fifteenth of June in Seattle, Washington. It's
the Sound of the Baskervilles and in person meeting. David
Hougen is the contact for.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
That excellent And also on the fifteenth and Madison, Wisconsin,
the Notorious Canary Trainers are a meeting in person. You
can talk to Glens and link at the Notorious Canary
Trainer's website.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Our friend Matt Hall in Columbia, Maryland is having a
meeting of Watson's Tin Box of Ellicott City, a dinner meeting.
I thought it was Endicott City, not Ellicotts.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
No, it is Ellicott City.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It is Elicott. Well, I'm wrong again. That's all right, well,
and it's on the sixteenth.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yes, in Irvington, New York on the twenty first of June,
the Three Garadibs of Westchester County. Or is that supposed
to be Irvington or is it Washingtonton?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Sorry, that's a good, good question.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You can check out the three Garradibs at threegaradibs dot com.
Bennettsoue Vezaski are in charge of the Three Garadibs.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yes, The Norwegian Explorers has a virtual meeting on the
twenty first of June. Tom Gottwalt is the contact for that.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Also on the twenty first in Nashville, Tennessee, the Nashville
Scholars of the Three Pipe Problem are having a lunch meeting.
Jeff Stewart is your contact there.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And we have a crossover Scion founded in nineteen ninety
three the clients of Adrian Mulliner and I am involved
in that along with Scott Daniels and David Leal and
Lee Shackleford. And we have a virtual meeting coming up
on June twenty.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Second, Oh excellent.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Oh, and also one that's probably not too far from you,
Bert in Middlesex County, New Jersey. The Middlesex County is
the Middlesex Constabulary is having a meeting on June twenty fifth,
and Paul Hartnett is going to be running that is
that far from you.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It's about it's about an hour and a half south
where I am.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, you got to you really have to be committed
to go to that one.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, the Constabulary insists the Afghan perceivers while a virtual
meeting on June twenty six. Brian Wilson is the contact
for that.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
He's come out of retirement from the Beach Boys. Yes excellent.
In Chicago on June twenty eighth, the Tourists International SS
is having a meeting. Jonathan Schimburg is the contactor. I
sat next to Jonathan at the conclave. A delightful individual
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and you can find more about them at Tourist International
dot org.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
June twenty eighth, in Indianapolis, the Illustrious Clients are on
a field trip. Louise Haskett has all the info.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Are pal Eric Deckers in Claremont, Florida is hosting a
June twenty eighth meeting of the Orange County Pips. You
can check out his page. He set up a meetup
page so people can get involved.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Chicago. On June twenty ninth, the Watsonians will be holding
the Midwest Silver Blaze Race and they have not yet
come forth with a contact.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I think if you register for the Tourist International meeting,
which is the day before, they are coordinating with the Watsonians.
Those are both Chicago outfits, so.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Good checking out.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And then finally, on June twenty ninth, in San Francisco,
the Scourers and Molly mcguires are having a meeting and
who do you contact there? Well, who else but McMurdo.
That'll do it for the Sherilokian Sherlockean Societies learned societies
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this month. If you have additional events to share, OR'd
like to see your group up there, or you just
want to check out what everyone else is doing, just
go to Sherlockian Calendar dot com. Well, if you're listening
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to this, we are beyond the May seventeenth event at Undershaw,
hosted by MX Publishing in celebration of the final volumes
of the MS Book of New Sherlock Holmes Stories. The
good news is the event went on without a hitch.
We got some mail from one of our listeners who
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said ACD would have wholeheartedly have proved the new use
to which his beloved home has now been put, and
the fact that MX Publishing is supporting this is all
the better. And the good news is you can still
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The MS Books of New Sherlock Holmes Stories, multiple parts,
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The steady hand of David Markham. They're divided up into
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ninety to eighteen ninety five and eighteen ninety six and beyond.
For anyone who's interested in pastiches or any kind of
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Sherlock Holmes Stories at MS publishing dot com. Jesse Amalo
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has been the Services Specialist and curator the Toronto Public
Libraries Arthur Conan Doyle Collection since twenty eighteen. During her tenure,
she's been involved in acquiring and maintaining library materials, participated
in conferences, arranged programs, curated gallery shows, and contributed to publications.
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Jesse Amalo, Welcome to I hear of Sherlock everywhere.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, why don't you fill us in and tell us
about how you first met Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Oh that's a great question. Well, I will say that
I always kind of knew about him growing up, as
he is universal. I had probably seen some films here
and there when I was younger, possibly read some short stories.
But actually one memory that sticks out is when I
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was in when I was in school, I was living
at home still, and my parents used to watch the
show Elementary every week and I would just kind of
get sucked in every week just from being around, and
then I'd start, you know, watching the intro and then
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by the end of it, I was watching the whole
episode with them. So yeah, that was just kind of
a bit of a fond memory, just because I've since
lost my father, so it was just a nice time
growing up. So it's something that I will always remember.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, it's those it's sometimes those adolescent, those childhood memories
and connections that we forge that end up being so
strong throughout the rest of our lives. Now, as you
began getting sucked into the television series, did you at
any point find yourself curious about the stories and and
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what did you do about that?
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Yeah, I mean I was curious about the stories. I
did end up reading them all in time, and yeah,
I've I've really enjoyed them. What can I say? Uh,
I do I do enjoy them? Yes, I do absolutely
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enjoy them, and I've grown to really appreciate them a
lot more having you know now that I know so
much about Conan Doyle and and Sherlock Holmes and the
type of appreciation that that they that they attract. It's
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it's just been wonderful.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
What what was your What was your experience when you
joined the the TEP, the Toronto PubL Library. Were you
was it must have been like a fire hose. I mean,
if you you know, you'll see elementary and you read
the Sherlock home stories, and then all of a sudden,
you know, it's like a whole other universe, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
It totally is. And I was very naive at the time.
I truly had no idea. But it's been wonderful, you know,
getting to see just how much is out there about
Sherlock and Conan Doyle. So if you want to hear
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a little bit of how I ended up here, sure, yes, yeah.
So I started working at the library as a teenager.
Who was I have a mother who worked who worked
for the system, and she encouraged me as a teen
it's a great job opportunity for teenagers, and so I stayed.
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I stayed working for the library for a while and
I really enjoyed it, and at a certain point I
decided I want to make this my career. So I
then went to what they call library school, got my
Masters of Information Sciences, and I also studied So while
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I was there, I really found I had a strong
interest in rare books, manuscripts, and I even went back
and studied some archives. So at that point I was
kind of finding my niche was kind of the rare
book area. And I'm very fortunate I work in a
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very large library system and we have a really wonderful
special collections department, So I kind of made that my focus.
And I was very fortunate in that I ended up
in that department very quickly after I graduated. And then
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soon after I was given an opportunity to fill in
for my predecessor, Peggy Purdue. Well, she was on she
took a short leave, I believe, to travel, so I
was able to fill in for her for six months
and I gained incredible experience during that time. I got to,
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you know, really sample all the hard work she does
and yeah, and then that led to an opportunity for
a permanent position after she she moved on to a
more senior role in the department.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
So yeah, yeah, say Jesse for those folks that are
listening who might not know anything at all about the
Toronto Public Library. Can you talk a little bit about
special Collections as a universe and where Conan Doyle fits
in there.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, happy to So. Special Collections at the Toronto
Public Library in some ways has been around for over
one hundred years. Toronto Public Library started quite early and
a lot of collectings started very early on. Now I'm
talking more about some of our Canadian historical collections, but
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that's kind of the basis of special Collections here at
Toronto Public Library. So we over time, we have acquired
some really wonderful things or materials just over the years,
and we're very fortunate to have some of those things
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in our collections today that we may not have been
able to acquire had we just kind of started up.
But so, Special Collections at the Toronto Public Library has
a really rich history and it has always been well.
Right now, it's at the Toronto Reference Library, so that's
the large downtown branch, So that's where you'll find most
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of our special collections. I say most because we have
a couple other collections that are still under our umbrella
but are located at a different kind of library. But
just to go over some of the collections that we have,
we have the Baldwin Collection of Canadiana, so that focuses
on Canadian history and that you'll find things like books,
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rare maps, manuscripts related to Canadian history, Toronto history, artwork,
photographs and ephemera, all kind of documenting Canadian Canadian history.
Another collection we have is Special Collections in the Arts.
This kind of focuses more on both performing arts, mainly
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Canadian performing arts. We have things like stage designs, we
have costume designs, we have records from various theater designers,
we have programs like musical programs, all all those sorts
of things. And then also within that in the arts
are art books, so that that is a focus on
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visual arts. So we might have books that are a
complete artists work, or we have items that are what
we call artist books. So artist books are kind of
books that are kind of created like a work of
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art rather than for their practical nature. They are more
a work of art. And oh also in that we
have Incannabulous, So those are books published in the first
fifty years of the printing press, mainly mainly books and
in Latin and things like that, but they are quite
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old those ones day back to about the earliest are
about fourteen seventies fourteen sixties, So we have I believe
we have maybe even close to fifty of those. I
might have to check, but we do have a great
collection of those. And then recently, in recent years, we
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started the Chinese Canadian Archives, so that's a community led
archive and it documents the history of Chinese Canadians in
Canada but also in Toronto and how that has changed
over time. And then obviously the Arthur Qunadora Collection, which
I will come back to actually, but then we're moving
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out of Toronto Reference Library. At a different library, the
Lillian H. Smith Branch, there's the Marrow Collection of science fiction,
fantasy and speculative fiction, and the Osborne Collection of early
children's Literature. So those are kind of all of the
collections that fall under the scope of special collections.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That's impressive, and even more impressive is that you can
rattle it all off well well.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
As curators, we are kind of expected to know generally
about all of the collections so that we can provide,
you know, access.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Now if people are interested in seeing some of the
collection or using the system as part of their research.
Is that available for anyone to partake in?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Oh yeah, I mean so using the collections in their research. Yeah,
so they can do that many ways. They can obviously
schedule a time to come by I see schedule. People
can drop in. We tend to suggest making an appointment
if they have kind of a large research question and
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it might be better to you know, give it some
thought before before we have the patroon come in so
we can gather materials and set them aside. Also just
trying to think. Well, obviously the digital archive, which we'll
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get into, is it has been a huge kind of
game changer for research and our ability to help remote
users who aren't able to access the library in person.
Uh so that's a big that's a big component there. Yeah,
so it's kind of a kind of a mix.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
We try to help people who are able to visit
and also remote users as much as we can.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So one of the things one of the reasons we
wanted to talk to you is because we saw some
news from the Magic Door, that's the newsletter from the
Friends of the Arthur Conan Doyle Collection in a recent
issue that there is a growing digital archive there, and
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we're interested in hearing more about that. So why don't
you tell us a little bit first of all about
the ACD collection and then more about you know, these
recent developments in digitization.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Yeah, so okay, I'll start with the Arthur Conan Doyle Collection.
It is one of the world's largest research collections devoted
to Conan Doyle and his life and works. In it,
we have over about twenty five thousand items. Many of
them are relating to Sherlock Holmes, but it does include
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a range of Doyle's fiction and his nonfiction. So it's
it's not just Sherlock Holmes, it is it is his whole,
his entire life and works, and some highlights of what
we have. So we have things like manuscripts and correspondents,
so within that you'll find things like letters. We have
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some short stories, we have some notebooks, we have some
travel diaries, we have some articles. Yeah, that's that's mainly
the extent of We have some plays within our manuscript collection,
so those are all in in Conan Doyle's hand. We
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do have various editions, uh so early editions, first editions,
and we have things like translations. So we have an
incredible amount of language translations. We have our parodies and
pastiches as you would expect. We have biographies, criticisms, and bibliographies,
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so some of the more research materials. We have many,
many periodicals by Sherilockian groups from all over the world.
We have a great collection of those, some very comprehensive
and very you know, far reaching in terms of, you know, geographically,
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so that's wonderful. We're always adding to that. So another
thing that we have in the collection is stage and
screen adaptations. So within that that would include things like programs,
film scripts, stage designs, costume designs, any kind of book
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published about adaptations. And I will I will come back
to the programs and the costume designs because we do
have some local designs from every year in in Ontario
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at Niagara on the Lake, there's a big festival called
the Shaw Festival, and there there's been a few years
in recent years that they have put on Sherlock Holmes plays.
So sometimes we're able to acquire like costume designs or
scripts or things like that from from local plays. But
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our collections are comprehensive, so we do try to collect
obviously all all programs that we can get our hands on,
but just just a shout out to Shaw in Toronto
or in Ontario. So we have photographs. So we have
I believe over one hundred and fifty photographs related to
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Conan Doyle. So those include things like we have portraits.
We have a lot of travel photos, so photos from
his travels in Europe, Canada, Australia, and some of his
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kind of spiritualism tours. We have spirit photos. We have
actual photos of Conan Doyle appearing in spirit photos and
some family photos just along those lines. And that's a
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good question. I have a favorite portrait photo. He's kind
of like leaning on a fence. It's just a I
don't know, it's kind of just a wonderful photo of him.
He looks very he looks he looks just like an author.
It's hard to describe. He's just very in it. I
don't know. But and then I do love We have
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some of his spiritualism photos, so those are kind of neat.
A couple of those they are digitized, so if you're curious,
you can check them out online. But yeah, you get
things like ghosts and orbs and those kinds of elements
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appearing in photos with Conan Doyle. So those are those
are quite unique and maybe my favorites.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, Now in terms of the digitization, it seems to
me like the photos would be top priority there. But
what sorts of things have you and your team begun
to digitize and and how do you decide what gets
to tize first?
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Yeah, so that's a great question. I had a feeling
you'd ask me that question, so let me start with
that one. So how do we decide what gets digitized first?
So I will say that we are very conscious of
copyright with special collections. We are in a unique position
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as we do as we have very old materials in
many of our collections that are out of copyright, so
we have to work within, you know, with with that
framework in mind, so we digitize public domain items. So
that's first and foremost. With the Conan Doyle collection, I
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tended to focus more on primary source materials, so items
that researchers might not have access to because we may
have one of the only copies here and early early
you know, copies of it, so or in some cases
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one of the kind So with that primary source I
kind of thought of the photos and then also the
manuscripts that we have. So we have we have about
two hundred i'd say manuscripts in our collection. And so
within that there's different different things in that. There's letters
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we have, We have many letters, I think almost one
hundred and sixty or seventy letters. We have a few
short stories that conandol wrote. We have some plays that
he wrote. Articles we have like diaries, travel diaries and
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things like that, and some notebooks so and those are
all in Doyle's own handwriting. So these are things that
are quite unique and would really kind of researchers, especially
remote researchers, would really benefit from having access to these things.
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And also even just considering rare and valuable items like
first editions, things like that that maybe or more obscure
early editions, again, things that researchers might not have easy
access to, so we've prioritized those. Also, we are a
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comprehensive collection, so I think it's important to consider a
variety of subjects when digitizing. So, for instance, Conan Doyle,
as many people know, got very involved in spiritualism, and
we do have a pretty strong spiritualism collection here at
the library. So so you know, obviously we want Sherlock
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you know, to be to be quite prevalent. But just
you know, including different aspects of Cornan Doyle's life to
give more gives a more broad and comprehensive look at
our collection. And then you can also consider like a
variety of formats as I mentioned, even just photos, manuscripts, books.
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We have some original art online. We have some sheet
music that Cornan Doyle wrote or was written about Sherlock Holmes.
We have kind of epemera like pamphlets and things like that,
theater programs, we have translations, so just different kinds of
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materials too, depending on you know, what what researcher might
be focusing on. So yeah, well it's.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
An amazing inventory and the fact that it's all been digitized,
so as I understand it, there what about eight hundred
items have been digitized so far.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Is that a good number?
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Yeah, yeah, so that's a good number. So yeah, I'll
let me give you a little overview about our digital archive.
So it's a digital platform where the library is able
to scan material and have it online available digitally. Again,
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as I mentioned, Special Collections is in a unique position
to do this because of a lot of the materials
in our collections are out of copyright now. With the
Arthur Conan Doyle collection, it does include very contemporary items,
so obviously those items would not be would not qualify
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for digitization. However, a lot of the early early content
we can still consider for digitization. So and also in
doing this we provide access to remote users and it
also serves to help preserve materials, you know, just to
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cut down on maybe some of the the use the
physical use of the item. So just as an an
alternative format that people have access to. So for the
Arthur Conan Doyle content, yes, there's about seven hundred items
online within that we've digitized, books, photographs from you know,
(35:49):
from his travels, manuscripts. As I mentioned Epemeram there was
some original artwork in their theater programs, all kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, well, very good. But is there anything that stands
out to you? You know, one of the things that
struck me A couple of things struck me when I
was looking at the digital platform online. One is that
it wasn't all that long ago that all of this
was sort of a unknown and be hidden from site.
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I mean, there's a sort of a story associated with
the Crown Diamond manuscript which turned up in an exercise
book and had been kept very close closely guarded by
Conan Doyle's son and his wife, and that happily was
donated to the Toronto Public Library. Now you can see,
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you know, what had been hidden from view. You know,
the whole exercise book is available, but also the letters,
you know, the letters of Conan Doyle writing to his
editor Greenhouse Smith at the Strand give you an insight
into the issues that got his attention and his notes,
(37:11):
you know, really as beautifully composed of some of his
proses as he just you know, it's like you're sort
of listening in on a reading through a conversation in
real time. Is there is there anything that as you've
looked at all of this that stood out to you
that you said, oh wow, look at that.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Well, definitely the letters which you've which you've just touched on.
We have an incredible collection of letters from Conan Doyle
to his editor at the Strand, Greenhouse Smith. Those letters,
so we have about ninety five of them and they
mainly cover the time period from about nineteen oh three
(37:53):
to nineteen thirty and they make many references to the
Sherlock Holmes stories and in particular the Return of Sherlock
Holmes and some some some notes about the Hound of
the Baskervilles. And yeah, it's just gives a real insight
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into their relationship, into their business dealings. Seemed like they
had a lot of respect for each other, and they
go into things like plot negotiations. They kind of talk
about Conan Doyle talks about proofs and installments. He kind
of he kind of talks about in some of them,
(38:35):
how he's having difficulty remembering the the last installment and
can you send me a copy and things like that.
They talk about edits, they go over some copyright, you know,
(38:55):
things like that. So it's it's just really interesting to see.
And they also talk about they have discussions about kind
of the the order they're going to publish the stories
in kind of you know, separating up some of the
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more violent ones from the less violent ones, and thoughts
around around that the flow of the stories. So yeah,
it's just fascinating stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Are you always on the lookout for more conon Oyl material?
I mean, how does the collection continue to grow or
does it do do view it as a static collection?
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Oh yeah, so definitely we are always looking to grow.
We really try to be as comprehensive as we can,
and as you know that so much has been written
about and created around Sherlock Holmes and Arthur Conan Doyle
and continues to be so. As curator, I mean, I'm
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always on the lookout for items that we may have
you know, missed or are missing from our earlier days
of collecting some rare earlier editions. I will say though
we have a pretty pretty whole collection, but also any
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new books that come out, I'm always on the lookout
to get those. And then we also really welcome donations,
so if anyone's ever interested in donating to the collection,
that's one way that we acquire new materials. So yes,
we're always always adding to the collection and looking for
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any opportunity to you know, so.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
If someone came to you with a previously unknown doctor
John H. Watson manuscript, you take that all right.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, yes, we would definitely take that.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
That would be the ultimate.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
Flying Yeah, it really would. Yeah. Yeah. I obviously work
very closely with the friends of the Arthur Conandoyle collection
that we have here at the library. They're a wonderful
organization and we uh so they put on like a
(41:34):
large lecture every year, the Cameron Hallier Memorial Lecture, and
I'm all I'm involved in I'm involved in that, and
then I'm also involved in their newsletter. I have a
regular column. And then also the Bootmakers of Toronto. We
work closely with them, so they have programs here at
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the library throughout the year, their events, and I'm currently
involved with the a CD Society. I am a chair
for their honors, their honors awards that they present every year,
(42:19):
so I oversee the Visual Arts Award that is awarded
for two people who have contributed, you know, works of
art relating to Sherlock Holmes and Arthur Conand well, so
that's something that I'm involved in every year.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Well, and speaking of art, isn't there a little alleyway
near the TPL that is uh decorated with Sherlock and
are what what's that all about?
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Yeah? So that's the Sherlock Holmes Walk Mural. So this
was a project that the friends had been they had
put forth many years ago actually, and it finally has
has come to happen, which is great. There was some
involvement from counselors and things like that. And and a
(43:14):
Toronto art group called street Art Toronto. So it was
kind of a group of of organizations involved. Sorry I'm
I'm if I'm not explaining this very well, but so basically,
it is a mural that is that appears behind the
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library and it was commissioned by street Art Toronto and
a call went out to fifteen street artists and they
created artwork that is inspired by Conan Doyle and Sherlock Holmes.
So they they you know, use their own enter reputations
(44:00):
of the stories, their own experiences and they created this
this huge mural that represents cornandl Sherlock and was inspired
by the collection. And it is a temporary mural at
the moment, it resides on some construction hoarding that is
(44:26):
that that is temporary, but we're hoping to have it
become a permanent installation. So the building that it is
currently up against is the Toronto Transit Commission building that's
being renovated and we're hoping that it will become a
(44:47):
permanent installation there.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
And that would be lovely mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (44:53):
Yeah, it's really wonderful. It's a it's an extremely long
one hundred and fifty foot long walkway and you can
see wonderful art up on the wall, and you know,
it's just also gives people, you know, as kind of
a sense of what they can see, you know, when
(45:14):
they come up and visit the collection.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
So yeah, yeah, just as you've spent more time with
the collection. I know you joined in twenty eighteen, so
we're talking about almost seven years of association with this
collection and with Conan Doyle. How have your perceptions of him,
(45:42):
either as an author or as an individual changed or
evolved over that time.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
Yeah, well, you know, I'll be honest, when I started
the job, I didn't know too much about him other
than he was the author of the Sherlock stories. I've
kind of grown to appreciate just how kind of curious
and inquisitive he was. He he really kind of wanted.
(46:14):
I got a sense that he wants He wanted to
kind of learn everything and and write about all aspects
of things, even you know, things going on in daily life.
He wanted to get involved in so many different things
like politics and you know, the wars, and and you know,
(46:40):
writing and just just all kinds of things. So I've
really come to appreciate that. I call it curiosity, and
I I kind of relate to that because I'm a
little bit similar in my in my curiosity. I like to,
(47:00):
you know, learn as much as I can and absorb
as much as I can. So yeah, and I will
say I will say, you know, I've really grown to
appreciate to all of the all of the research and
scholarship that has that has grown around Conan Doyle, you know,
(47:23):
just I've learned some some really wonderful things from all
the scholars and it's been great to kind of have
a front row seat to all that.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Well, and I think that that goes hand in hand,
that the curiosity of researchers following along the curiosity of
Conan Dowell. You know, I think it was I think
it was Dorothy Parker who once said that curiosity is
the cure for boredom, and that there is no cure
(47:56):
for curiosity.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Well, for the curious among us, Where can we go
online to learn more about the Arthur Conan Doyle collection
and the digital archive?
Speaker 5 (48:11):
Yeah, so, so if you go to the Toronto Public
Library website, which is you can just shorten it TPL
dot ca. There's a tab at the top that says
E resources in Research, and if you just kind of
hover over that, you'll see at the bottom right there's
(48:33):
a link to the digital archive and from there it
gives you a search bar. So this is grouping in
all of our different special collections that I that I noted,
but if you did a search for Arthur Conan Doyle,
it will pull up over seven hundred and fifty items.
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And this is something that we're constantly adding to if
you're curious about the process. Basically, to get something digitized,
we use what we call a content management system, so
it's kind of like the back end of what you see.
So we put in all of the relevant metadata and
(49:18):
then once that's done, there is an internal department at
Toronto Public Library, at the Toronto Reference Library here where
my colleagues then will scan the items. They have special
scanners for rare items, and once the item is scanned,
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they will link the item to the metadata record and
the item comes back to us and we check the
record and then we will in a sense publish it
and then it will appear on the digital archives. So yeah,
we're always working through adding things. I mean there's seven
(50:04):
hundred items. There are over twenty five thousand items in
the collection. Obviously, as I mentioned, a great deal of
them are still in copyright, but definitely there are many
items that would be eligible for the digital archive. So
it's one of our, you know, our regular kind of
(50:29):
tasks here. We definitely prioritize adding things to the digital
archive because they they serve. It serves so many of
our users and helps show what we have in special collections.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Right, excellent.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Well, I am looking forward to peaking under the hood
just a little bit more myself, and looking forward to
what more comes our way in the digital Archive of
the Arthur Conan Doyle Collection at the Toronto Public Library. Jesse,
thank you so much for sharing your journey and your
(51:09):
really interesting job with us here on I hear of
sher luck everywhere.
Speaker 5 (51:13):
Thank you, thank you so much for having me. It's
a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
It's amazing. You know, we know so little about so
many authors, and then we know so much about so
many other authors. But the first time I went to
the digital collection of the library online, I was really
struck by well, a couple of things. One is it's
really easy to find things, and two, you know, the
(51:51):
quality of the digitization is just terrific. And you can
download copies of these letters and the other images and
things that you can find if you want to look
at them a little more closely. But really what came
out to me is that so much of this material
is so insightful about the world and mind of Conan Doyle.
(52:12):
You know, you find him writing to his editor, you know,
and there's no preamble to any of these letters, you know, like, oh,
how nice to see you the other day. No, you know,
it's my dear smith. And then bang, you know, detective
stories would not fairly characterize them. And I want to
give myself a very freehand. And he's just writing about
(52:34):
things that he has underway. He's writing about he's keeping
his editor informed about his progress. I just finished story
number five. It's not very good, and it just opens up,
you know, all new window into thinking about Conan Doyle
and how he produced everything he produced.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
It sounds like some of my letters. Actually it's not
very good.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Just finished it.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
No, I think you're absolutely right. I mean this window
that we get into Conan Doyle and just his his mindset.
And to me, one of the things that Jesse said
that stuck with me is it was about his insatiable
curiosity and how lucky we are that Conan Doyle was
(53:26):
curious about so many things. Obviously, you know it led
him to write the sixty stories about Holmes, but so
many other things across so many different paths of life.
And you get a sense the way she was describing
him that two lifetimes would not have been enough for him,
given his voracious interests and passions that he had for
(53:50):
so many things. So have you ever had a chance
to go up and physically visit the Toronto Public Library?
Speaker 1 (53:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (53:58):
No, I haven't something to look forward to.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Yeah, yeah, I was up there, gosh, maybe about ten
years ago, speaking at a conference just around the corner
from the library. So I made it a point to
reach out to Peggy McFarland, who would purdue, who was
there at the time, and she gave me a lovely
(54:23):
private tour of the collection and behind the scenes. And well,
I didn't have nearly enough time to spend there, just
as Conan Doyle doesn't seem to have nearly enough years
to complete all of his interests. The conversation kept going,
and we have it as bonus content for our subscribers.
(54:44):
We have a quick sample here. If you'd like to
hear the entire thing, just to sign up at Patreon
dot com, slash I hear of Sherlock or I hear
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Speaker 2 (54:57):
And no, if I ever knew this, I'd forgotten. But
his youngest sister, you know. And she was the one
who was named after Brian Waller, the doctor. So this
is Brian Mary of something something. Doyle wrote a book
and she had the strangest pseudonym for it. She wrote
(55:21):
it under the name of h Ripley crow Marsh. Yeah,
and Grant Richards who published Duet his book Duet around
nineteen hundred or whatever.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
It was.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Also published her book by h Ripley Crow Marsh, the
Episodes of Marge Memoirs of a Humble Adventurous And the
only reason I know this existed is that I was
looking at the archive at the Toronto Digital Public Library
and there's a letter Dear Grant Richards, you know, and
he's writing a to find out if they owe him
(56:01):
some money because he hasn't had any money from them
about Duet in a while.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
And b.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
You know his sister's book. Wow, she apparently wrote two books.
Speaker 3 (56:15):
Did she have a different pseudonym for the other one.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I think she eventually just copped to her married name,
which was she married a guy named Angel I think
or angel or or I don't know a n G E.
Double Ella as I.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
Remember it.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
Was Hosmer with two hours.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah, it's a good question. I wonder if it was
before or after Osmer.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
Well, we will have to write to p Jehoseph Fat
you're a smart guard and.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
What esquire squire?
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yeah, it goes right to the lawyer.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, and that that there has to be a special
part of every author's brain that is dedicated to inventing names.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:10):
I mean we've got that old Donald Redmond book, a
study in sources where he looks at somebody. If you'd
like to hear the rest of this bonus episode, please
sign up with us as a supporter. It's a chance
of listening with your correspondent, Madeleine Kiyonez.
Speaker 7 (57:34):
Hello, everyone, I'm Madeline Keyannis, and today we are diving
into a podcast that got started in twenty twenty. Here's
the thing. I think the COVID nineteen pandemic gave new
meaning to the words here though the world explode. These
two survive because the world did explode, but the Sherlocking
(57:58):
community survived. We found new ways to stay connected despite Lockdown.
This is actually when I found my way into the
community finally, when I found out that Sherlokans were holding
society meetings on zoom. This is when Five Miles from
Anywhere got started, and when the John H. Watson Society
as an international society was able to have meetings for
(58:19):
the first time ever, and some societies, including those two,
are still zooming. During this time, Steve Doyle came up
with the video podcast The Fortnightly Dispatch as another way
to stay connected. Each episode he interviews a different Sherlokian
or discusses Srilokan history in a small group setting. But
unlike Ihosts or the Baker Street Babes, the interviews are
(58:42):
really not about current or upcoming projects. Because the first
season is recorded in Lockdown, and the second season is
recorded during the transition period from Lockdown to the vaccine rollout,
and then the third season follows the established format, this
allows for more of a cozy chat between friends or
an oral history style of interview. You get truly a
(59:04):
wealth of interesting and wonderful Srilankians, including two who are
no longer with us, Nicholas you Tekin and Russell Merritt.
There's some overlap with I host guests, and Scott and
burtshow up themselves that every episode is fun and well
worth the listen. So let's get to the highlights. Well,
this is a video podcast, so I think it's only
(59:26):
fair to call out the two episodes in particular which
really take advantage of the visual medium. The interview with
Ross Davies in season two is arguably the best interview
with Ross on any podcast, for the simple reason that
we get to see some of the stuff he makes.
If you know Ross, you know he likes to make
(59:46):
neat collectibles for his green Bag publications, and here we
actually get to see some of that. The funny thing
is that the other episode with a strong visual component
also involves Ross. It's called Davies and Doyle and flips
the script so that Ross is interviewing Steve, and Steve
takes us on a video tour of his very cool basement.
(01:00:09):
It's a lot of fun. I'll throw on one more episode.
Alexander Wilcott in the BSI, an episode from season three
featuring Ray Batsterer and Steve Rothman. We're in The three
men discuss the first BSI Dinner and the infamous intrusion
of Alexander Wilcott. It's a different and fun look at
Sherlocke in history. The Fortnightly Dispatch has been on a
(01:00:33):
bit of a hiatus for a while. Possibly there was
some sort of conference or con clave getting in the way. Maybe.
I do recall Steve saying that he wanted to make
the show a limited run and that it wasn't quite
done yet, So I do hope he finishes it someday.
(01:00:53):
And that's all I've got for now. Now I've got
a run and record my own podcast. Bye.
Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Oh what a delight, Madeline, that you continue this series.
And I am sadly aware that by the time that
summer winds down by mid September, I think you will
have exhausted this wonderful series you will be out of
Sherlockian podcasts to review. Really, So yeah, yeah, and I
(01:01:28):
mean this one was great, you know, the Fortnightly Dispatch
it's a video podcast, which is a nice change up.
You know, I think we've spent a lot of time
only on audio podcasts, and Steve Doyle is a he's
a video guy. He's a video producer, So it makes
sense that you want to do that. But I guess
(01:01:51):
we should. We should kind of plan for what kind
of segment we'll have that will replace Madeline's lovely segment here.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Eventually we have to give Madeline a new topic, or
people need to start more podcasts.
Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Or you know, if folks have ideas and you want
to send them in to us, please let us know,
shoot us a noteed comment that I hear of Sherlock
dot com and put forth your suggestions. You know, of
course we have the events that we talked about in
the early part of the show. We've had this wonderful
thing with with online, with with you know, with podcasts.
(01:02:29):
But what else would you like us to hear? Would
you like to hear from us? Would you like us
to cover in the way of Sherlockian interest? Could be
I don't know, a theater review, book review, interview, you know,
short interviews, etcetera. I don't know, I don't know, But
(01:02:50):
we will rely on you, dear listeners, because you are
the ones who well unfortunately have to listen to all
of this. God bless oh those strings can mean only
one thing, that's right. It is time for the canonical couplet,
(01:03:12):
the Sherlockean Quiz program, where we give you two lines
of poetry and ask you to tell us which Sherlock
Holmes story we're talking about. The Last time we were here,
in episode three hundred and ten, we gave you this clue.
Dogs don't make mistakes, claimed Sherlock Holmes. That uncovered the ruse,
(01:03:37):
as did some old bones. Well, speaking of old bones, Burte,
do you know what the heck we're talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Of course I do. Of course that's the case. James M.
Dodd is a soldier who consults Sherlock Holmes and asks
him to find his lost comrade, Godfrey EM's Word, who
was in hiding because he was humiliated in a hazing ritual.
It's the case. Watson called the pants soldier.
Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
That one hurt.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
I'm not making this up, you.
Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Know, No, I wish you would. Yeah, I was afraid
you'd say that. Well, this is something else. And we
turned to our pal, Eric Deckers, who says, jinkies have
a nice nod to Thelma of Velma from Scooby Doo.
(01:04:43):
He says, Jinkies, I've solved it. This is the story
of how, with the aid of Holmes and Watson, Sir
Robert Norburton and his friends covered up the death of
Lady Beatrice Norburton by parading her body around the grounds
of the Norburton estate to make it look like she
was still alive. It's the story Watson called Weekend at
(01:05:04):
Shosco Mold Place. Except I may be thinking of another
classic piece of cinema, and this one is just the
adventure of Shosco Mold Place. Well, that is correct, Eric,
you're on the right track. Well, in this case we
(01:05:25):
had a number of people who, of course did get
it right. I'm glad to hear that. And so we
will pull out the prize wheel and give it a
big speed.
Speaker 8 (01:05:40):
It is going around and around and landing on number
twenty eight, twenty eight, And that looks like it is.
Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
A Rich christiuness, very rich. Glad to have you back
on board here. And this has nothing to do Bert,
I should say with Rich giving me a ride to
the Canonical Conclave last month. So, Rich, we have something
from the Ihose vaults. And oh, as a matter of fact,
(01:06:19):
it's a custom gift ah, something that you and I
were talking about on that ride, so that should be
an interesting addition to our prize vault. Now, this time around,
we have another Vaultian prize for the person who, when
correctly selected via the prize wheel, guesses this clue the
(01:06:46):
killer nearly escaped if it weren't for a hook, The
clue was buried in a half remembered book. If you
know the answer to this Episodd's canonical couplet, put it
in an email addressed to comment about her at Sherlock
dot com with canonical couplet in the subject line. If
(01:07:07):
you are among all the correct answers and we choose
your name at random, you'll win.
Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Good luck.
Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Oh boy, oh boy.
Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Oh boy.
Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Oh wait, we did it, We did it well. We
have a couple of interesting things in the hopper for
future interviews. I'm just waiting for a few things to
clear before we can announce what they are, or who
they are, or when they will be. But we are
always looking for exciting folks to interview and to share
(01:07:40):
ideas with the Sherlockean community, so feel free to keep
the ideas coming our way.
Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
People.
Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
We appreciate your participation absolutely. Now next up for you,
Bert here, and we're now at the middle of May.
What's going on on your Sherlock calendar in the near future?
Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Well, is it we having a joint meeting of the
men on the Tour and the Cornish Horns in beautiful Waterford,
Connecticut on Sunday, the eighteenth of May.
Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
That sounds lovely. I remember my tour days very very happily.
Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
And we will probably certainly be celebrating the life of
our dear departed friend Tyke n Iver.
Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
So he was a big force in my Sherlock in life,
and I was asked to write his terrace, you know,
stand with me here upon the Terraces as we do
for regulars. I was asked to write that for the
Baker Street Journal, and we'll have a multimedia version up
(01:08:46):
I think on the IHOS website and not too long.
Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
But oh good.
Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
You know this is one of those because he was
so close, it became more difficult to write rather than
easier to write. I don't know that brings true for you.
Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Oh yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Yeah, you want to get it just right and honor
his memory appropriately. And there's so much that you know,
I could share, but it needs to be a reasonable
length but for those of you who don't want to
wait for that, or don't even care to listen to
look at it, we did interview Tyke and Teddy Niver
(01:09:26):
here on the show. I think back on episode one
twenty six called Becoming the Gillettes, of course in Connecticut.
They both donned period garb and showed up at Gillette
Castle where the men on the tour used to meet,
and they impersonated William and Helen Gillette and informed visitors there,
(01:09:50):
tourists and whatnot, purely out of the goodness of their hearts.
They were not paid employees or anything. They just did
it because they loved it, brought joy to so many
people and doing so well in the meantime. We hope
that we have brought you some joy around here people.
And this is the always joyful Scott Monty.
Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
And I'm the perpetually cheerful Bertwolder.
Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Oh turn on the perpetual cheer machine, shall we? And
together we say the Gamess suck a foot foot, the
Games on a foot. I'm afraid with the pleasure of
(01:10:42):
this conversation, I'm neglecting business of importance which awaits me.
Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Thank you for listening. Please be sure to join us
again for the next episode of I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere,
the first podcast dedicated to Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Goodbye and good luck, and believe me to be my
dear mama.
Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Very sincerely yours, Sherlock Holmes.
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