June 30, 2025 • 59 mins
“it's the king of diamonds” [MAZA] It took Laurie R. King six years to find a publisher for her first book, but it was worth the wait. She won the Edgar in 1994 for Best First Novel with A Grave Talent, which launched her Kate Martinelli series, set in San Francisco. That same year, The Bee-Keeper’s Apprentice introduced the impressive, young Mary Russell, who would meet and eventually marry the retired Sherlock Holmes — “the least marriageable man I knew,” according to Mary, in 1921.Since then, Russell and Holmes have traveled the world in eighteen novels, finding mystery and adventure everywhere from the English countryside to Palestine to California. Along the way, Mary’s partnership with Holmes has evolved, usually in plots that mix real events with suspenseful intrigue. Now Knave of Diamonds, the nineteenth book in the series, brings Mary a case not even Sherlock Holmes could solve: the very real theft of the Irish Crown Jewels from Dublin Castle years before. It comes with the sudden return of Mary’s unprincipled Uncle Jake, traveling on a cloud of fabrications and falsehoods.Laurie R. King was named a Mystery Writers of America Grand Master in 2022. Join us for a conversation about the Irish Crown Jewels, Laurie’s approach to storytelling, Mary’s background and her conflicting loyalties, and much more.So you can see what’s coming, we share the first half of August in “The Learned Societies” segment. Madeline Quiñones is back with “A Chance of Listening,” and the Canonical Couplet quiz tests your Sherlock Holmes knowledge, with a signed copy of Knave of Diamonds for the winner. Send your answer to comment @ ihearofsherlock.com by July 14, 2025 at 11:59 a.m. EST. All listeners are eligible to play.
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Speaker 1 (00:45):
In a world where it's always eighteen ninety five. It's
I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere. A podcast for devotees of
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Speaker 1 (01:42):
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Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm Bird Welder and Bert.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Have you put on your Navish outfit today?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Navish outfit? I've put on my navy blazer. That's been
I got a lot of attention when I went to
the supermarket earlier because I was just wearing my navy blazer. Boy,
did I feel foolish on shoes?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Well, I can give you a little advice in this
territory if that's the case, you shoe. Actually, you can
get a complete fit if you go to Old Navish.
They've got everything you need for your Navish needs.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You know. The funny thing is the last time I
went to Old Navish, I did get a complete fit
and the EMT people were really nice.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh well, unfortunately I had jotted it down very quickly
in my notes and I couldn't read it, so I
ended up at old Kanish. You don't want an old Kinish,
you know, you want them fresh when they come out
of the frying band.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Hey, well, you got to get you to Russ and Daughters.
You know, on the Lower East Side you can get
an old Kinish, but it's closing time on Friday and
they have a deal on those.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, we're here to discuss neither clothing choices nor kinishes.
We're here with an interview with author Lourie R. King,
who has the nineteenth in her Mary Russell series of
stories called Nave of Diamonds. It's going to be a
delightful discussion, so you'll want to stay tuned for that.
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We've also got a full lineup of all kinds of
other things, including the Learned Societies, where we go over
some Sherlockian events that are coming up in the first
two weeks of August. We have Madeline Kennonez who has
joined us once again for her review of a Sherlockian podcast,
A Chance of Listening and we have everyone's favorite canonical
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a chance to win, and the prize this time around
will be a signed copy of Lori R. King's latest book,
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Oh you know what that means. It's time to get
out our Sherlocking Calendar and look at the learned societies.
We tread our way across the North American continent to
find what's going on in the world of Sherlock Holme societies.
Where can we find activity?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Burt Well, you can find them at Sherlockianclendar dot com
which is managed by Ron Fish And in August we
begin with On August second, Five Miles From Anywhere is
holding a virtual meeting and Derek Blanger is the contact.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Excellent in Indianapolis. You'll want to make sure you get
to Indianapolis on the second if you can. The illustrious
Clients of Indianapolis is holding their Sherlockian Film Festival. Louise
Haskett is your contact there and they have a Facebook
paid as well.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And you want to go down to the docks on
August third when the crew of the bark Loan Star
sets sale for their virtual meeting. Steve Mason is the
contact for that.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And also on August third. Well, there's a busy day
in Bronxville, New York. The three Geradebs of Westchester County.
You're holding a lunch meeting, Sue and Ben Vezzosky are
your contacts there at Threegaradebs dot com.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Hey, and look at this the same day boy crew
of the barklone Star Garadebs in Bronxville and then in
good old Wine, Michigan. You know you might want to
think about going to this. This is the Amateur Mendican
Society of Detroit. And John Cram can tell you all
about their dinner meeting.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
No, actually he can't. I need to update Ron on this.
I can tell you all about this meeting that is not,
in fact a dinner meeting. We are this is this
is how great things are going at the Amateur Mendicant Society.
It's really an amateur hour of.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Wait a minute, when is the Professional Mendicant Society meeting?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Never we We've been in some planning phase for this,
and this is a great reminder that I need to
get an announcement out to our membership. Yes, we are
going to the Detroit Zoo that day. It's an afternoon meeting.
We're gonna have a little picnic lunch and explore the
zoo and see if we can find any animals mentioned
in the canon that happened to be housed at the zoo.
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They'd be very old by now. But scat hunt.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh what a great idea.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, So the contact is me yum yum.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And then August sixth, New York, New York. That's a Wednesday,
and that means it's ash Wednesday time, and Shana Carter
will tell you all about that.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And if you can't be in New York on August sixth,
you can be online for a virtual meeting of the
Transfixed Correspondence of Phoenix. Lauren Cersone is your contact there.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And then the bi Metallic Question. On August seventh in Montreal, Quebec,
Canada is having a meeting. Edith Pounden is your contact there.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
On August ninth, which I believe is a Saturday, the
Shaka Sherlockians of Hawaii are having a virtual meeting. The
word whether there is a luau included in that, but
doctor Joe Page at Shakasherlakian dot com is your contact.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And you can have a bracing cup of tea on
August tenth with a virtual meeting of the Tea Brokers
of Mincing Lane. Karen Ellery has all of the details
and is offering it caffeinated and decaffeinated.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, that does it for our learned societies here. Stay
tuned next month, and please let ron Fish know if
you have an event that needs to get added to
the Sherlakian calendar. We hope to see you at some
of these events. Lori R. King is the New York
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Times best selling author of thirty novels and other works,
including the Mary Russell Sherlock Holmes Stories. The Beekeeper's Apprentice
was chosen as one of the twentieth century's best crime
novels by the IMBA. She has won Agatha, Anthony Creasy, Edgar, Lambda, Macavity, Wolf,
and Romantic Times Career Achievement Awards, as an honorary doctorate
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in theology, and is a Baker Street Irregular. In twenty
twenty two, she was named Grand Master by Mystery Writers
of America. She co edited with Lee Child, the new
handbook from Mystery Writers of America, How to Write a Mystery.
She has a new contemporary series with San Francisco Police
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Department inspector Raquel Lang, beginning with Back to the Garden
and her latest Mary Russell Sherlock Holmes novel, Knave of Diamonds,
was published in June twenty twenty five. Laurie received her
investiture in the Baker Street Erecations in twenty ten as
the Red Circle. LORI R. King Welcome back to Ie
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here of Sherlock everywhere.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I am happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You are now.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
When you when you use the ihos as an acronym,
do you pronounce it all eyeholese Eh?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Not a bad idea. We probably should because of late
we have been getting inquiries as if we are some
kind of apple garden implement the I hose.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Oh well, yes, I in Canada they call this the
I hoser.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Okay, And we're thinking of starting a line of merch
called iosary.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
That. Yeah, you have you stick an eye in there somewhere.
But yeah, and it's your head of marketing is Josse.
We are all about the marketing. So anyone who listens
to this, you know it's all about the marketing. When
it comes to the writing industry.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Well, people don't want to hear about us. They want
to hear about you. You know we've already talked with
you about how you first met Sherlock Holmes. So the
last time you were around here was about eighteen months ago,
and you joined us to talk about the Lanterns Dance,
which was the eighteenth number in the Mary Russell novel series.
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And now we are up to nineteen. How did we
get here so quickly? Nave of Diamonds, give us a
quick thumbnail as to what it's about, and then we
can jump into some more interesting questions.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Well, in the in the short story, there's a short
story collection, and one of the short stories in there
is Marries Christmas, and in it, Russell recalls an adventure
that she had with her rather knavish uncle whose name
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was Jake, and she hasn't seen in a long, long,
long long time, and it sort of figures that he's
probably dead, and because he's a criminal and he got
into all kinds of mischiefs that he probably shouldn't have done,
including one that dragged her and her brother into a
bit of criminality. But so he of course is not dead,
and he reappears. So in the Nave of Diamonds, he
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reappears and says to her, remember that disappearance of the
Irish Crown Jewels in nineteen oh seven, and she says, yes,
Holmes worked on that, and he says, yeah, about that,
about that theft, and that's where it begins. So they
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he drags her into his project of seeing if they
can find the jewels. Holmes meanwhile is thinking this is
really not a good idea and very untrusting of Jake
Russell for for good reason, and and there the adventure goes.
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So the book is actually I had fun doing it
because it's her point of view is first person, as
most of the books are written as kind of memoirs.
Holmes's chapters in these books are a third person, so
you see him doing his various things. But I also
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got to write Jake, and he is in first person,
but with a very brash American voice. So that was
that was a lot of fun. I got to I
got to play all three roles in the in the book.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And is that a departure for you as opposed to
some of the other entries. Have you had to do
this kind of triple role playing before?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
No, no, this is the first time it's been other
than well, first, the first few books were all Russell
and anytime Holmes went off to investigate something, he would
then have to tell her what he had found, or
send her a letter telling her what, you know, what
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his investigation had come up with, that kind of thing.
And it wasn't until there was a book set in
San Francisco that was all about her past, called Locked Rooms,
and in that one, she is an unreliable narrator because
she misremembers things. And to have somebody as trustworthy as
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Russell who misremembers things is a bit of a blow.
But I needed to have someone who was seeing things
as they actually were, and so I started experimenting with
the chapters that would follow Holmes, as you know, as
the sort of balance of this is what this woman
remembers from her childhood, which may or may not have
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been the case. So starting with Locked Rooms, you begin
to get chapters that are that are following homes not
first person, but but but following what he's doing and
who he's interacting with and so forth. And so I
think most of the books after that had chapters that
were that were looking at Holmes, not not not all
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of them perhaps, but quite a few of them did.
And it's fun to write because you can then follow
his development both in that individual books case, but also
as a person, because you know, at first he was
just a supporting actor. He was sort of the the
paradigm of Russ's intellect and her way of approaching problems.
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But I became interested in him as a person, and
I thought, you know, Connanjoyle was finished with him in
nineteen fourteen, and all the stories are set before that.
So what would he what would he have been after
the war? What would he have looked like? How would
he have how would he have moved around in the world?
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And that I think has become interesting to me as
a writer to allow this well established, the most thoroughly
developed character in the world to develop past where his
original author was finished with him.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well, that's wonderful. You know. In Lantern's Dance you really
also went back into Holmes's background with blackmail and secrets
and past generations and the artist Verney and added a
lot to what little we knew about Sherlock Holmes. Does
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this do the same does this book, which is I
think the nineteenth in the series, Are you doing the
same thing here basically for Mary Russell? Does that seem
like a parallel.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
To you to some extent. Yeah, yeah, I mean you
certainly you don't follow her entire past, but you follow
this important part of her past and the things that
it reveals about her family and their relationships, both with
each other and with the world. Jake as a character,
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is her father's younger brother from a wealthy Boston family,
and he was involved in a in the theft of
the Irish Crown Jewels, which were not actually Crown jewels.
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They were jewels given by the Crown of England to
Ireland as the regalia of the Order of Saint Patrick
to put the Order of Saint Patrick on a par
with the English Order of the Garter and the anyway,
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it's the it's the regalia of this very very Irish
order that disappeared in nineteen oh seven, and it was
a fascinating true crime. I mean there was These things
were stolen from perhaps the safest place in Dublin and
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ruined lives and shook governments and were hushed up for
various reasons and have never have never surfaced. The Irish
cran Jewels are still missing. So I thought, you know what,
it would be interesting to look at at how how
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to involve that kind of true crime with my character
Jake Russell, and of course Sherlock Holmes would have been
dragged into it somehow, right because nineteen oh seven he's
sort of barely retired, so so, and and Arthur Conan
Doyle was actually involved in he he offered his help
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in investigating, which I'm sure please Scotland Yard no end.
So so that's that's sort of the background of where
it comes in, working in the the actual points of history.
For example, with with Lantern's Dance, the last one, as
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you said, had to work around the Renee family, had
to decide which of the Renees was involved in Sherlock
Holmes's background. I had to figure out the dates that
his mother would have disappeared, because that had been established
in my previous books that she had been blackmailed and
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that was why he hated blackmailers so much, and various
points in history that enter into the investigation into his
past that Russell carries on. I mean, we're sort of
talking around it in case people haven't read it, and
I don't like to give spoilers for you know, surprise
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never mind, And with this one as a as a writer,
it's something that I really love doing is taking these
set facts of date and time and characters involved and
the rest of it, and try and shape my story
in among the cracks that are left by history. So
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that's that's what I'm that's what I'm doing with this
one for Russell's Russell's family rather than Holmes's.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Did you do a lot of research into Well, I
know that you did, because you know, the theft of
the so called crown jewels is well recorded, and you mentioned,
you know, a few moments ago the lives up ended
and the government shook and so on, so clearly you
dug into that. Was that Were you there already or
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did you say to yourself, oh boy, you know this
will be fun. I'll learn a little bit more about it.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Pretty much the second I when I decided I wanted
to write a Jake book, that was, you know, at
the beginning of last year. I for some reason I
could tell that twenty twenty five was going to be
a difficult year, and I didn't really want to write
a sort of dark, confrontational book. So I thought, let's
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let's make this the year when I revisit this Jake character.
Because I've always I've always wanted to write something more
about him than just one short story, and as I
looked at crimes that he might have been involved with,
this popped up on my on my radar and I thought, oh, yes,
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and I could work with the date, and I could
work with the place and time. Sorry, but I didn't.
I didn't know anything about it and was so pleased
to find that it had been not never solved, because
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that was very, very satisfying. Right, So.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well, I won't ask you if you've got your own
conclusion about who done it and how, because that must
feature in the story of this novel. But in the
course of your investigation and your own research, I mean,
did you find things that were surprising to you? Were
you particularly intrigued by anything?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
I found it very interesting and it's definitely in the
book that the basically the investigation was stopped Scotland Yard
made a report, and the report entirely vanished. It was
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repressed and never seen. The Vice Regal commission that was
put together to look into it was not asked to,
you know, you sort of think of it as a
grand jury of sorts, was not asked to give any
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proposal of either the direction the investigation should go or
a proposal of who might have done it. What they
were asked to determine was so narrow. It was did
Arthur Vickers, who was the head genealogist whose office was
in charge of keeping the jewels safe? Did he fail
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at his duties, which obviously he had, because if he hadn't,
jewels would still be in the safe. So they were
basically that the Vice Regal Commission was charged with saying
yes or no to whether or not Vickers had a
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role in the crime. They it wasn't even to say
did he steal them because nobody thought he did, But
did he have a role in the crime and was
he irresponsible? And they determined yes, and he was fired
and many court cases ensued and all the rest of it.
But it was so limited that no one who was
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serious about solving a case would have done it that way.
So when you look into why it was done that way,
that enters into the story and you know why things
were suppressed. Well, it was a time when nobody wanted scandal,
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and scandal was obviously sitting right there waiting to fall
in all the newspapers and all the public figures, and
so you know, King and Country said, yeah, let's not
talk about this anymore. We'll just close the door and
say too bad. Nobody figured that one out, of course,
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I could use in all kinds of ways, as you
can imagine.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, I mean, as an author, that leaves you with
kind of an open ended scenario with which to work,
so you can take it in any number of directions.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Yeah, yeah, nothing like a good scandal, right.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And in many ways this is almost
parallel to another real life crime that folks wonder, well,
why didn't Sherlock Holmes solve it? And that is Jack
the Ripper. And you look at how much fun authors
and creators have had over the years with Jack the
Ripper versus Sherlock Holmes. So this is kind of another
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building block that same kind of area.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Absolutely, Paarl Holmes, why you ever worked with the government?
Who knows? I mean, because clearly clearly they didn't want
him to do his job.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So I'm fascinated by Uncle Jakes as one of the
main characters here. Tell us a little bit more about him,
and in particular about the evolution of his relationship with Mary,
because the way that you described it is that you know,
obviously they haven't spoken for years, decades, and there was
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some bad blood before. But how do things begin to
evolve for them over the course of this novel.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Well again, he appeared in one short story Mary's Christmas,
which when she was ten I think anyway, she was
very young, and used her and her brother to trick
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a man out of out of he owned a pub,
and he tricked him into putting the pub on the
table for a gambling game, a game of poker, and
won it through having Mary Russell help, because who would
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who would suspect a ten year old girl of helping
her father steal her her uncle steal a pub. And
after that you don't really hear from him other than
that he was disgraced and banned from the family and
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and just was obviously in some difficult, difficult position. Four
years later, when her family was killed because he didn't
show up, he sent her a note that said I
will show up if you want me, but she knew
that that meant that it was because there was a
warrant out for his arrest, so she said, she said no.
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So that's that's all you know about him, And having
not heard from him since nineteen fourteen and it's now
nineteen twenty five. The obvious conclusion is that he has
he has run a foul of someone he shouldn't have
and is no longer it's no longer walking the earth
until he shows up. So I loved the idea of
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her having this criminal uncle. I knew that he was
not really a bad guy because his because her mother
adored Jake, and her mother was no easy mark. Her
mother knew who uncle Jake was, knew that he was
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a rogue and a scoundrel, and loved him anyway. So
you know from the you can trust from the beginning
that whatever Jake is up to, it's not going to
It's not going to destroy lives. It's not going to
hurt Russell and Holmes, although it might. It might do
them a certain amount of damage, but not real pain.
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So having established that he is a rogue a scoundrel
rather than a really bad guy, I could play with
him in a lot of ways. And that's, you know,
that's what I do in the book. I have him
as a couple of conversations between him and and and Holmes,
who is m He is older, but not a lot older.
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I think maybe ten, ten or fifteen years I can't remember,
but he's he's older than Jake is, but not you know,
Jake is not a young man. He's in his forties,
I think, so to try and give it to the
reader as it's possible that Jake is wanting to reform,
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but or it's also possible that Jake has his own
agenda and Russell and Holmes are going to help him
get there despite what they might prefer. So you know
that that's that's the that's the balance that I walk
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in the book.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
It's a wonderful balance. You know, these characters, these rogues
and scoundrels, these lovable rogues. You know you just said
about Mary's mother. You know she knew that he was
a rogue and a scoundrel, but she loved him anyway.
I mean, they're wonderful in fiction, these these disruptor characters.
Did you have anyone like that in your life? For
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seeing that work in other families or other characters like
that that you you know, find in fiction that are
very attractive to you.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Oh, I think we all we all love the rogues,
don't we. Yeah, I think that. I mean we all
have someone in the family that even even in the
homes tradition is we never mentioned that, Clara, right, because
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there's always somebody that has has done something that's offended
the family and so is not really talked about. And
I think that we are all, especially as kids, we
all kind of want to go there, and we all
want to know a little bit more so. Sure, and
I think that in reality, people who are rogues and scoundrels,
(33:33):
you know, they take advantage of people they are, they
are committing harm to some degree. But we can also
think that maybe, certainly in fiction you can pretend they don't.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, Lorie, the last time you were here, I think
we talked with you about possible cat sting for the
character of Mary Russell talked about some actresses. I'm interested
now in looking at Uncle Jake. And who do you
(34:11):
think would make a good Uncle Jake if this were
brought to the screen. Oh, is there anyone you had
in mind when you cast him?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
In your mind?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
No, No, I don't, I mean it would It would
have to be someone who could do a good American accent.
He's not very big, he's he's kind of dapper. I
think is the is the best description. Yeah, I don't know.
Do any do any dapper American actors come to mind
(34:43):
for you, Scott, Well.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
It's not necessarily currently, but I think if you know,
we think back into the great Golden Age of cinema
and he's not American, he's British, but I'm sure he
could affect an American or at least an Eastern Atlantic
accent of the time in Austin. Yes, George Sanders, you know,
(35:12):
always played kind of the dapper, uh, not necessarily dandy,
but you know, well a knafish rogue with.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
A nice tip of the hat.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Yeah, yeah, what about you, Bert, Oh, I don't know,
you know, it depends on what the character looks like
when you think about it, you know, but there have
been a lot of those actors, you know who've carried
off that kind of that kind of.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Character, you know, even carry Grant. I mean, if you
want to get somebody, you know, really who's who's a
British and who is acceptable as an American. You know,
he's very suave and was in to catch it, you know,
play the jewel thief among other things in his career.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
A lot of people someone who had had a bit
of a twinkle in their eye.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yes, yeah, Yeah, people who went to a room and
who know that their personality precedes them, You know that
they and as they walk into the room, they're sort
of taking a notice of who's got the biggest watch
and where the necklaces are.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, this is what it's like to be
in a room with Bert.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Oh look, typically after twenty or thirty minutes, I'll return
your watch.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Well, how will I be able to tell I want
my watch?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Yeah, some of them. Some of Jake's characteristics are based
on I'm blocking the name of the book, but as
a book came out that as I was writing, his
character came out. So must have been you know last
year on the gentleman thief who befriended all the socializes
in the East Coast right and enough to know where
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they kept their safe and he would to go back
to their houses on you know, Long Island or wherever,
find a ladder and climb up there their second story
while they were having a big party and liberate their wealth,
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which I loved. Somebody who just fits right in and says, oh,
I have to leave now, goes around the back and
fetches the ladder.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
So this is number nineteen. Is there any end in
sight for the Mary Russell series.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Oh, I hope not.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Yeah, I think that I can keep and keep going into,
you know, into the twenties. The twenties certainly has some
interesting things going on into it. I like to I
like to play with events and characters who are moving
around the countryside. And I think that there's one one
sort of story grory element series element that has come
(38:03):
along that I will have to deal with at some
point because brother Microft has become a sort of problematic
character in the books. The amount of power, the amount
of power that Microft holds in the government is a
thing that Russell finds problematic. That she doesn't think that
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one man should be given that much authority, even if
he is a basically ethical man like Micraft, and his
willingness to interfere in their lives and in the lives
(38:49):
of people around the world is something that is coming
to a head in the series, and even brother Sherlock
is saying maybe not so great. So I think that
perhaps the next book, number twenty will have to finally
(39:10):
deal with the Micraft question.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
That is something to look forward to. And you know,
I think there's always been a bit of dynamic tension
between the two brothers, and you know, there's there are
so few stories from the canon in which that appeared,
so there's been a lot of wonderfully imaginative writing and
and scenario setting that's expanded upon that. So I think
(39:41):
we'll really look forward to seeing what you do with it,
particularly from Mary Russell's perspective.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's been it's been the dynamic
of the three of them has been. At first was
Mary got really peeved off at Microft, began to think
that he really should be reined in. But Sherlock, being
the younger brother who has always respected his brother's skills
(40:13):
and position, and also being a sort of Victorian male,
thinks that well, it's not a great thing, but it's
better than the alternative, which is having somebody else in charge.
And he's now beginning to veer a little more closely
to her position of well, maybe maybe this is not
(40:36):
a great thing to have. And so anyway, it'll be
interesting to see where it goes. I personally have no
idea where it's going to go, because I rarely do
when I'm writing books. I too, will be interested to see.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Excellent, well, In the meantime, folks can pick up a
copy of The Nave of Diamonds nineteenth and the Mary
Russell series by Laurie R. King, available pretty much anywhere
you get books, whether it's online or in an actual bookstore.
Imagine that Laurie any upcoming UH tour stops or visits
(41:19):
that people can participate in or see you at.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
I'm not doing a lot this year, but anyone who
enjoys mystery conferences should certainly think of San Francisco next
February is having Left Coast Crime and it's it's a
it's a really fun conference because it's smaller than boutche Coon,
(41:44):
certainly smaller than Comic Con, and it's I mean, it's
going to be it's going to be a really fun thing.
So if you're if anyone is thinking of doing some
California travel in the early months of twenty twenty six,
think about San Francisco and Left Coast Crime.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
So wonderful. Good well, Laurie King, thank you once again
for joining us here on I hear of Sherlock everywhere.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
I will say thank you, Scott, thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Oh Lah, you know, it's so much fun to talk
to Laurie because she's one of these authors when you
talk to them about their characters, everything rings true. You know,
(42:44):
she's doesn't, and I find you know what she comments
about when she says, you know, I'll be interested to
find out what happens in this story because as she's
writing it, she's entertaining and engaging herself. And you know,
I'm sure she has the general outlines and knows where
(43:05):
the thing is going to head broadly, but you know,
it's it's it's hard when you're into something like this
not to fall into the trap of repeating yourself and
doing things that work before just because they worked before,
but instead starting with you know, what can I add here?
(43:26):
What can be different? How about this unusual character? You know,
we even seen him. She's just enormously creative. And it's
a lot of fun to talk to highly creative people. Yeah,
it is.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
And you know, in some ways this is almost what
Conan Doyle had to deal with over the course of
forty years with Holmes and Watson. And not only do
you have to be careful about not repeating yourself, you
have to be careful of not contradicting yourself, you know,
and particularly when you've got such an engaged fan base
as the Mary Russell audience is boy, I would imagine
(44:01):
Laurie has to really stay on top of the game.
Of course, you know, now with computers it's much easier
to do a search and figure out what you said
when and all the rest. But for Conan Doyle, who
had burned up, torn up or given away some of
his manuscripts, well that was really difficult.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Not only did he repeat himself, but he continued to repeat.
He aggressively repeated and contradicted himself.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
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Speaker 3 (44:48):
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(45:34):
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Speaker 1 (46:07):
Well, it looks like it is the time when we
turn over the microphone to our intrepid correspondent, Madeline Kenyones.
It's a chance of listening with your correspondent, Madeleine Kiyonez.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Hello everyone, I'm Madeline Quianis and today I am here
to talk about a latecomer to the subgenre of podcasts
reviewing BBC Sherlock and CBS Elementary. This one focuses on
the letter and is called Elementary My DearS. Alison Malton
and George Hendricks started the show in January of twenty
(46:48):
twenty one and reviewed the first season of Elementary. Episode
by episode, Alison is a hardcore fan and George is
the more casual viewer but also Sherlockian. Episode they bring
on a different guest, which keeps the dynamic fresh and
different each time. They go into deep dives on various
elements in each episode, so in the first one they
(47:11):
get into serial killer trophies at one point. Could I
have done with that that one?
Speaker 7 (47:18):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (47:18):
I sure could have. But generally this is a great
feature and it makes it different from the other podcasts
in this little subgenre. Unfortunately, the show didn't last beyond
finishing up Elementary's first season. It went on hiatus and
never came back. That's the problem with Hiatus's HIATAI plug
(47:41):
in scotten Bird's favorite gag here hiatus, that's what you
say when you're greet anasious. I am so sorry, but
not enough to edit that out anyway. The point is
sometimes they go on hiatus and then that's the end
(48:02):
of it. We're lucky CHRYLCKLMS came back from his and
what's kind of especially said is that in the final episode,
Alison and George talked about the episodes they wanted to
produce for fun during their hiatus, they were going to
review sho Lot Comes in the twenty second century and
mister Holmes and do other fun stuff, and those episodes
(48:26):
just never materialized. So let's talk recommendations. I think that
the introductory episode is not a bad place to start,
or indeed, the first normal episode, it's pretty indicative of
what to expect from the next few episodes I listened to.
I didn't listen to the whole show because someday I
am actually gonna make good on my commitment to watch
(48:47):
more of Elementary and then I'll come back to this
show and listen to what they had to say. And
that's it for now. If you're in the Northern Hemisphere,
use your sunscreen and stay hydrated. And if you're in
the southern hemoshere, please send some of your colder our way,
because we could really use it.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Well, I'm glad Madeline said it so we didn't have
to what do you say when you meet him?
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Atis?
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Are we that predictable?
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Bert? Are we that predictable?
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Of course we are excellent. Well, I'm glad we've given
our audience something to hang their deer stalkers on. And
you can find those kinds of deer Stalker books. That
old knavish Uh, this is this is akin to the
old gag we used to do with the Sherlock Holmes
(49:43):
brand series of products. Oh yeah, get your deer Stalker hangers.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Those were fun. Maybe we'll bring those back some day.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
I wouldn't I wouldn't object. Maybe our listeners would, but
I would.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Oh. You know what that means.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Those dulcet string tones means it's time for everyone's favorite
sherlockean quiz program. That's right, it's canonical couplet where we
give you two lines of poetry and we ask you
to put on your thinking cap, to be creative and
determine which Sherlock Holmes story we are talking about. Now,
(50:34):
if you recall the last time we were around here,
we gave you this clue. Holmes was fighting for a
client brave and earnest while facing a foe who was
most pathetic and sternest. Bert Bert, Bert, Bert. I am
(50:56):
going to ask you to attempt your best version of
which Sherlock Holmes story we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Oh, it is one of the wonderful, wonderful cases of
Sherlock Holmes. That's the case where Holmes masquerades as an
Irish American to catch a German spy, but his disguise
gives him a skin rash and he has to shave
off all his facial hair. It's the case Watson called
(51:25):
his last brow.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Sorry. I'm sorry for a number of reasons. I am sorry. Ah, No,
I'm afraid you did not get that one right. Impossible, No,
I know, But we will turn our attention to our pal,
Eric Deckers, who has always has greased us with well
(51:57):
and entertaining and hopefully illusu sedating answer. He says, I've
got it. It's the story of a British musical artist
who consumed an unhealthy amount of drugs and hallucinated that
his wife and her lover were actually goose stepping cartoon hammers,
so he wrote a whole rock opera about killing them.
(52:18):
It's the story. Watson dropped a load of acid and
called hello, is there anybody in there?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Wait, wait, sorry, I was watching Pink Floyd movies again,
which is why I'm so late. This was actually the
adventure of the retired colorman. Yes, Eric, that is correct.
You have led us once again to the veritable trough here.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
This was a tricky one.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
A lot of people had a difficult time with this one.
But the clue you couldn't see it because I don't
pronounce capital letters. But the clue was brave n capital
e earnest. Where's ray Earnest was the doctor that was
murdered by Josiah Amberley and the retired colorman? So brave
(53:09):
and earnest. So yes, we do have a few entries
to choose from, So that requires us to bring out
the big prize wheel and give it a spear. Always
it's slowing down and landing on number eleven, number eleven,
(53:32):
and that looks like it corresponds to well, Richard Smith. Richard,
we actually have a copy of Christopher Chan's book on
Sherilokian poetry that we promised last time. And by the way,
(53:53):
we should acknowledge that Chris himself entered the canonical couplet
and did submit correct response, but for obvious reasons, he's
not getting a copy of his own book. Well, I mean,
he has plenty of copies, but we're not giving him
another copy. He has graciously agreed to donate his copy
(54:13):
for the prize, So we thank you for that, Chris,
and we will make sure that it gets to Richard
Smith in due time. And now for this canonical couplet
we did promise you at the beginning of the show.
The prize is a signed copy of Lori R. King's
(54:33):
nineteenth Mary Russell story Knave of Diamonds, that we've talked
to you about today. And here is your clue on
this occasion, Holmes put in his orer at a young
man's insistence, poor lispore. If you know the answer to
(54:54):
this episode's canonical couplet, put it in an email addressed
to comment that I hear of Sherlock dot com with
canonical couplet in the subject line. If we choose your
name at random from all the correct answers, you'll win
for good luck. Okay, how do you like that?
Speaker 2 (55:14):
That's pretty good?
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yeah, no complaints here. Why we don't have a call
in show.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Well, we have a telegram in show so people can
send us. Just go down to the Western Union office. Yes,
and you know cable ihos us and as soon as
someone drives someone rings up to our house with a
bicycle and gives us the message, we'll send you something back.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
That's perfect. Well, if you don't have access to a telegram, folks.
You can send us an email at comment at I
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You can engage with other people there, or you can
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(56:04):
see us. But we do delight in hearing from you
if you have anything to say, anything to share. It's
always lovely to hear from other Sherlockians. Well, Bert, we've
got a couple of weeks before we're going to hear
from another Sherlockian. What are you going to do with
yourself in the ensuing moments.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Well, I'm going to be following some of those bread crumbs.
Last year, I went on this long hike and I
left some breadcrumbs to help me get back home. So
I'm going to start picking them up because I don't
believe in polluting the environment with anything other than my
own speech.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Well, I am thankful that you do. I'm here to
catch every syllable, every vowel, every consonant that falls out
of your mouth.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, but what about the commas? You're just not doing
very well on Look, look down on the floor, Look
at all those commas and I'm not going to get
don't get me started on the semicolons.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
Oh well, you know it's funny. During a recent medical exam,
I had to have a little portion removed, So now
I have a semi colon.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
I want to tell you.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
I had a semicolonoscopy.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Isn't this where Bob would introduce Joey Heatherton. Here's what
you're fighting for. Here's what you're fighting for.
Speaker 6 (57:26):
Man.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Okay, Well, grammatical commentary aside and medical commentary aside. Let's
just get to the to the end here and wish
our listeners a wonderful first couple of weeks of July.
And we'll see you here the next time. And I
hear of Sherlock everywhere in the meantime, I am the
(57:51):
always grammatical Scott Monty.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
And I'm the frequently re edited Bertwolder.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
And together we say.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
The game, sir, a lot, the games of the foot.
I'm afraid that in the pleasure of this conversation, I
am neglecting business of importance which awaits me. Thank you
(58:30):
for listening.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Please be sure to join us again for the next
episode of I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere. The first podcast
dedicated to Sherlock Holmes. Goodbye and good luck, and believe
me to be my dear fellow.
Speaker 2 (58:50):
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I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere, Episode three hundred and thirteen,
Nave of Diamonds, I Head.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Of Sherlocke it very well, since you became a drumming man.
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Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm Bird Welder and Bert.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Have you put on your Navish outfit today?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Navish outfit? I've put on my navy blazer. That's been
I got a lot of attention when I went to
the supermarket earlier because I was just wearing my navy blazer. Boy,
did I feel foolish on shoes?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Well, I can give you a little advice in this
territory if that's the case, you shoe. Actually, you can
get a complete fit if you go to Old Navish.
They've got everything you need for your Navish needs.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You know. The funny thing is the last time I
went to Old Navish, I did get a complete fit
and the EMT people were really nice.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh well, unfortunately I had jotted it down very quickly
in my notes and I couldn't read it, so I
ended up at old Kanish. You don't want an old Kinish,
you know, you want them fresh when they come out
of the frying band.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Hey, well, you got to get you to Russ and Daughters.
You know, on the Lower East Side you can get
an old Kinish, but it's closing time on Friday and
they have a deal on those.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, we're here to discuss neither clothing choices nor kinishes.
We're here with an interview with author Lourie R. King,
who has the nineteenth in her Mary Russell series of
stories called Nave of Diamonds. It's going to be a
delightful discussion, so you'll want to stay tuned for that.
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We've also got a full lineup of all kinds of
other things, including the Learned Societies, where we go over
some Sherlockian events that are coming up in the first
two weeks of August. We have Madeline Kennonez who has
joined us once again for her review of a Sherlockian podcast,
A Chance of Listening and we have everyone's favorite canonical
(03:59):
quiz program. That's right, canonical couplet where we give you
a chance to win, and the prize this time around
will be a signed copy of Lori R. King's latest book,
So you'll want to make sure you stay tuned for that.
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Oh you know what that means. It's time to get
out our Sherlocking Calendar and look at the learned societies.
We tread our way across the North American continent to
find what's going on in the world of Sherlock Holme societies.
Where can we find activity?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Burt Well, you can find them at Sherlockianclendar dot com
which is managed by Ron Fish And in August we
begin with On August second, Five Miles From Anywhere is
holding a virtual meeting and Derek Blanger is the contact.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Excellent in Indianapolis. You'll want to make sure you get
to Indianapolis on the second if you can. The illustrious
Clients of Indianapolis is holding their Sherlockian Film Festival. Louise
Haskett is your contact there and they have a Facebook
paid as well.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And you want to go down to the docks on
August third when the crew of the bark Loan Star
sets sale for their virtual meeting. Steve Mason is the
contact for that.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And also on August third. Well, there's a busy day
in Bronxville, New York. The three Geradebs of Westchester County.
You're holding a lunch meeting, Sue and Ben Vezzosky are
your contacts there at Threegaradebs dot com.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Hey, and look at this the same day boy crew
of the barklone Star Garadebs in Bronxville and then in
good old Wine, Michigan. You know you might want to
think about going to this. This is the Amateur Mendican
Society of Detroit. And John Cram can tell you all
about their dinner meeting.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
No, actually he can't. I need to update Ron on this.
I can tell you all about this meeting that is not,
in fact a dinner meeting. We are this is this
is how great things are going at the Amateur Mendicant Society.
It's really an amateur hour of.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Wait a minute, when is the Professional Mendicant Society meeting?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Never we We've been in some planning phase for this,
and this is a great reminder that I need to
get an announcement out to our membership. Yes, we are
going to the Detroit Zoo that day. It's an afternoon meeting.
We're gonna have a little picnic lunch and explore the
zoo and see if we can find any animals mentioned
in the canon that happened to be housed at the zoo.
(08:11):
They'd be very old by now. But scat hunt.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh what a great idea.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, So the contact is me yum yum.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And then August sixth, New York, New York. That's a Wednesday,
and that means it's ash Wednesday time, and Shana Carter
will tell you all about that.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And if you can't be in New York on August sixth,
you can be online for a virtual meeting of the
Transfixed Correspondence of Phoenix. Lauren Cersone is your contact there.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And then the bi Metallic Question. On August seventh in Montreal, Quebec,
Canada is having a meeting. Edith Pounden is your contact there.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
On August ninth, which I believe is a Saturday, the
Shaka Sherlockians of Hawaii are having a virtual meeting. The
word whether there is a luau included in that, but
doctor Joe Page at Shakasherlakian dot com is your contact.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And you can have a bracing cup of tea on
August tenth with a virtual meeting of the Tea Brokers
of Mincing Lane. Karen Ellery has all of the details
and is offering it caffeinated and decaffeinated.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, that does it for our learned societies here. Stay
tuned next month, and please let ron Fish know if
you have an event that needs to get added to
the Sherlakian calendar. We hope to see you at some
of these events. Lori R. King is the New York
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Times best selling author of thirty novels and other works,
including the Mary Russell Sherlock Holmes Stories. The Beekeeper's Apprentice
was chosen as one of the twentieth century's best crime
novels by the IMBA. She has won Agatha, Anthony Creasy, Edgar, Lambda, Macavity, Wolf,
and Romantic Times Career Achievement Awards, as an honorary doctorate
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in theology, and is a Baker Street Irregular. In twenty
twenty two, she was named Grand Master by Mystery Writers
of America. She co edited with Lee Child, the new
handbook from Mystery Writers of America, How to Write a Mystery.
She has a new contemporary series with San Francisco Police
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Department inspector Raquel Lang, beginning with Back to the Garden
and her latest Mary Russell Sherlock Holmes novel, Knave of Diamonds,
was published in June twenty twenty five. Laurie received her
investiture in the Baker Street Erecations in twenty ten as
the Red Circle. LORI R. King Welcome back to Ie
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here of Sherlock everywhere.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I am happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You are now.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
When you when you use the ihos as an acronym,
do you pronounce it all eyeholese Eh?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Not a bad idea. We probably should because of late
we have been getting inquiries as if we are some
kind of apple garden implement the I hose.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Oh well, yes, I in Canada they call this the
I hoser.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Okay, And we're thinking of starting a line of merch
called iosary.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
That. Yeah, you have you stick an eye in there somewhere.
But yeah, and it's your head of marketing is Josse.
We are all about the marketing. So anyone who listens
to this, you know it's all about the marketing. When
it comes to the writing industry.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Well, people don't want to hear about us. They want
to hear about you. You know we've already talked with
you about how you first met Sherlock Holmes. So the
last time you were around here was about eighteen months ago,
and you joined us to talk about the Lanterns Dance,
which was the eighteenth number in the Mary Russell novel series.
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And now we are up to nineteen. How did we
get here so quickly? Nave of Diamonds, give us a
quick thumbnail as to what it's about, and then we
can jump into some more interesting questions.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Well, in the in the short story, there's a short
story collection, and one of the short stories in there
is Marries Christmas, and in it, Russell recalls an adventure
that she had with her rather knavish uncle whose name
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was Jake, and she hasn't seen in a long, long,
long long time, and it sort of figures that he's
probably dead, and because he's a criminal and he got
into all kinds of mischiefs that he probably shouldn't have done,
including one that dragged her and her brother into a
bit of criminality. But so he of course is not dead,
and he reappears. So in the Nave of Diamonds, he
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reappears and says to her, remember that disappearance of the
Irish Crown Jewels in nineteen oh seven, and she says, yes,
Holmes worked on that, and he says, yeah, about that,
about that theft, and that's where it begins. So they
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he drags her into his project of seeing if they
can find the jewels. Holmes meanwhile is thinking this is
really not a good idea and very untrusting of Jake
Russell for for good reason, and and there the adventure goes.
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So the book is actually I had fun doing it
because it's her point of view is first person, as
most of the books are written as kind of memoirs.
Holmes's chapters in these books are a third person, so
you see him doing his various things. But I also
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got to write Jake, and he is in first person,
but with a very brash American voice. So that was
that was a lot of fun. I got to I
got to play all three roles in the in the book.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And is that a departure for you as opposed to
some of the other entries. Have you had to do
this kind of triple role playing before?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
No, no, this is the first time it's been other
than well, first, the first few books were all Russell
and anytime Holmes went off to investigate something, he would
then have to tell her what he had found, or
send her a letter telling her what, you know, what
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his investigation had come up with, that kind of thing.
And it wasn't until there was a book set in
San Francisco that was all about her past, called Locked Rooms,
and in that one, she is an unreliable narrator because
she misremembers things. And to have somebody as trustworthy as
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Russell who misremembers things is a bit of a blow.
But I needed to have someone who was seeing things
as they actually were, and so I started experimenting with
the chapters that would follow Holmes, as you know, as
the sort of balance of this is what this woman
remembers from her childhood, which may or may not have
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been the case. So starting with Locked Rooms, you begin
to get chapters that are that are following homes not
first person, but but but following what he's doing and
who he's interacting with and so forth. And so I
think most of the books after that had chapters that
were that were looking at Holmes, not not not all
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of them perhaps, but quite a few of them did.
And it's fun to write because you can then follow
his development both in that individual books case, but also
as a person, because you know, at first he was
just a supporting actor. He was sort of the the
paradigm of Russ's intellect and her way of approaching problems.
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But I became interested in him as a person, and
I thought, you know, Connanjoyle was finished with him in
nineteen fourteen, and all the stories are set before that.
So what would he what would he have been after
the war? What would he have looked like? How would
he have how would he have moved around in the world?
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And that I think has become interesting to me as
a writer to allow this well established, the most thoroughly
developed character in the world to develop past where his
original author was finished with him.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well, that's wonderful. You know. In Lantern's Dance you really
also went back into Holmes's background with blackmail and secrets
and past generations and the artist Verney and added a
lot to what little we knew about Sherlock Holmes. Does
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this do the same does this book, which is I
think the nineteenth in the series, Are you doing the
same thing here basically for Mary Russell? Does that seem
like a parallel.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
To you to some extent. Yeah, yeah, I mean you
certainly you don't follow her entire past, but you follow
this important part of her past and the things that
it reveals about her family and their relationships, both with
each other and with the world. Jake as a character,
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is her father's younger brother from a wealthy Boston family,
and he was involved in a in the theft of
the Irish Crown Jewels, which were not actually Crown jewels.
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They were jewels given by the Crown of England to
Ireland as the regalia of the Order of Saint Patrick
to put the Order of Saint Patrick on a par
with the English Order of the Garter and the anyway,
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it's the it's the regalia of this very very Irish
order that disappeared in nineteen oh seven, and it was
a fascinating true crime. I mean there was These things
were stolen from perhaps the safest place in Dublin and
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ruined lives and shook governments and were hushed up for
various reasons and have never have never surfaced. The Irish
cran Jewels are still missing. So I thought, you know what,
it would be interesting to look at at how how
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to involve that kind of true crime with my character
Jake Russell, and of course Sherlock Holmes would have been
dragged into it somehow, right because nineteen oh seven he's
sort of barely retired, so so, and and Arthur Conan
Doyle was actually involved in he he offered his help
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in investigating, which I'm sure please Scotland Yard no end.
So so that's that's sort of the background of where
it comes in, working in the the actual points of history.
For example, with with Lantern's Dance, the last one, as
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you said, had to work around the Renee family, had
to decide which of the Renees was involved in Sherlock
Holmes's background. I had to figure out the dates that
his mother would have disappeared, because that had been established
in my previous books that she had been blackmailed and
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that was why he hated blackmailers so much, and various
points in history that enter into the investigation into his
past that Russell carries on. I mean, we're sort of
talking around it in case people haven't read it, and
I don't like to give spoilers for you know, surprise
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never mind, And with this one as a as a writer,
it's something that I really love doing is taking these
set facts of date and time and characters involved and
the rest of it, and try and shape my story
in among the cracks that are left by history. So
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that's that's what I'm that's what I'm doing with this
one for Russell's Russell's family rather than Holmes's.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Did you do a lot of research into Well, I
know that you did, because you know, the theft of
the so called crown jewels is well recorded, and you mentioned,
you know, a few moments ago the lives up ended
and the government shook and so on, so clearly you
dug into that. Was that Were you there already or
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did you say to yourself, oh boy, you know this
will be fun. I'll learn a little bit more about it.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Pretty much the second I when I decided I wanted
to write a Jake book, that was, you know, at
the beginning of last year. I for some reason I
could tell that twenty twenty five was going to be
a difficult year, and I didn't really want to write
a sort of dark, confrontational book. So I thought, let's
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let's make this the year when I revisit this Jake character.
Because I've always I've always wanted to write something more
about him than just one short story, and as I
looked at crimes that he might have been involved with,
this popped up on my on my radar and I thought, oh, yes,
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and I could work with the date, and I could
work with the place and time. Sorry, but I didn't.
I didn't know anything about it and was so pleased
to find that it had been not never solved, because
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that was very, very satisfying. Right, So.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well, I won't ask you if you've got your own
conclusion about who done it and how, because that must
feature in the story of this novel. But in the
course of your investigation and your own research, I mean,
did you find things that were surprising to you? Were
you particularly intrigued by anything?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
I found it very interesting and it's definitely in the
book that the basically the investigation was stopped Scotland Yard
made a report, and the report entirely vanished. It was
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repressed and never seen. The Vice Regal commission that was
put together to look into it was not asked to,
you know, you sort of think of it as a
grand jury of sorts, was not asked to give any
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proposal of either the direction the investigation should go or
a proposal of who might have done it. What they
were asked to determine was so narrow. It was did
Arthur Vickers, who was the head genealogist whose office was
in charge of keeping the jewels safe? Did he fail
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at his duties, which obviously he had, because if he hadn't,
jewels would still be in the safe. So they were
basically that the Vice Regal Commission was charged with saying
yes or no to whether or not Vickers had a
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role in the crime. They it wasn't even to say
did he steal them because nobody thought he did, But
did he have a role in the crime and was
he irresponsible? And they determined yes, and he was fired
and many court cases ensued and all the rest of it.
But it was so limited that no one who was
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serious about solving a case would have done it that way.
So when you look into why it was done that way,
that enters into the story and you know why things
were suppressed. Well, it was a time when nobody wanted scandal,
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and scandal was obviously sitting right there waiting to fall
in all the newspapers and all the public figures, and
so you know, King and Country said, yeah, let's not
talk about this anymore. We'll just close the door and
say too bad. Nobody figured that one out, of course,
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I could use in all kinds of ways, as you
can imagine.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, I mean, as an author, that leaves you with
kind of an open ended scenario with which to work,
so you can take it in any number of directions.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Yeah, yeah, nothing like a good scandal, right.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And in many ways this is almost
parallel to another real life crime that folks wonder, well,
why didn't Sherlock Holmes solve it? And that is Jack
the Ripper. And you look at how much fun authors
and creators have had over the years with Jack the
Ripper versus Sherlock Holmes. So this is kind of another
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building block that same kind of area.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Absolutely, Paarl Holmes, why you ever worked with the government?
Who knows? I mean, because clearly clearly they didn't want
him to do his job.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So I'm fascinated by Uncle Jakes as one of the
main characters here. Tell us a little bit more about him,
and in particular about the evolution of his relationship with Mary,
because the way that you described it is that you know,
obviously they haven't spoken for years, decades, and there was
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some bad blood before. But how do things begin to
evolve for them over the course of this novel.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Well again, he appeared in one short story Mary's Christmas,
which when she was ten I think anyway, she was
very young, and used her and her brother to trick
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a man out of out of he owned a pub,
and he tricked him into putting the pub on the
table for a gambling game, a game of poker, and
won it through having Mary Russell help, because who would
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who would suspect a ten year old girl of helping
her father steal her her uncle steal a pub. And
after that you don't really hear from him other than
that he was disgraced and banned from the family and
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and just was obviously in some difficult, difficult position. Four
years later, when her family was killed because he didn't
show up, he sent her a note that said I
will show up if you want me, but she knew
that that meant that it was because there was a
warrant out for his arrest, so she said, she said no.
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So that's that's all you know about him, And having
not heard from him since nineteen fourteen and it's now
nineteen twenty five. The obvious conclusion is that he has
he has run a foul of someone he shouldn't have
and is no longer it's no longer walking the earth
until he shows up. So I loved the idea of
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her having this criminal uncle. I knew that he was
not really a bad guy because his because her mother
adored Jake, and her mother was no easy mark. Her
mother knew who uncle Jake was, knew that he was
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a rogue and a scoundrel, and loved him anyway. So
you know from the you can trust from the beginning
that whatever Jake is up to, it's not going to
It's not going to destroy lives. It's not going to
hurt Russell and Holmes, although it might. It might do
them a certain amount of damage, but not real pain.
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So having established that he is a rogue a scoundrel
rather than a really bad guy, I could play with
him in a lot of ways. And that's, you know,
that's what I do in the book. I have him
as a couple of conversations between him and and and Holmes,
who is m He is older, but not a lot older.
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I think maybe ten, ten or fifteen years I can't remember,
but he's he's older than Jake is, but not you know,
Jake is not a young man. He's in his forties,
I think, so to try and give it to the
reader as it's possible that Jake is wanting to reform,
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but or it's also possible that Jake has his own
agenda and Russell and Holmes are going to help him
get there despite what they might prefer. So you know
that that's that's the that's the balance that I walk
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in the book.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
It's a wonderful balance. You know, these characters, these rogues
and scoundrels, these lovable rogues. You know you just said
about Mary's mother. You know she knew that he was
a rogue and a scoundrel, but she loved him anyway.
I mean, they're wonderful in fiction, these these disruptor characters.
Did you have anyone like that in your life? For
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seeing that work in other families or other characters like
that that you you know, find in fiction that are
very attractive to you.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Oh, I think we all we all love the rogues,
don't we. Yeah, I think that. I mean we all
have someone in the family that even even in the
homes tradition is we never mentioned that, Clara, right, because
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there's always somebody that has has done something that's offended
the family and so is not really talked about. And
I think that we are all, especially as kids, we
all kind of want to go there, and we all
want to know a little bit more so. Sure, and
I think that in reality, people who are rogues and scoundrels,
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you know, they take advantage of people they are, they
are committing harm to some degree. But we can also
think that maybe, certainly in fiction you can pretend they don't.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, Lorie, the last time you were here, I think
we talked with you about possible cat sting for the
character of Mary Russell talked about some actresses. I'm interested
now in looking at Uncle Jake. And who do you
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think would make a good Uncle Jake if this were
brought to the screen. Oh, is there anyone you had
in mind when you cast him?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
In your mind?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
No, No, I don't, I mean it would It would
have to be someone who could do a good American accent.
He's not very big, he's he's kind of dapper. I
think is the is the best description. Yeah, I don't know.
Do any do any dapper American actors come to mind
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for you, Scott, Well.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
It's not necessarily currently, but I think if you know,
we think back into the great Golden Age of cinema
and he's not American, he's British, but I'm sure he
could affect an American or at least an Eastern Atlantic
accent of the time in Austin. Yes, George Sanders, you know,
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always played kind of the dapper, uh, not necessarily dandy,
but you know, well a knafish rogue with.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
A nice tip of the hat.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Yeah, yeah, what about you, Bert, Oh, I don't know,
you know, it depends on what the character looks like
when you think about it, you know, but there have
been a lot of those actors, you know who've carried
off that kind of that kind of.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Character, you know, even carry Grant. I mean, if you
want to get somebody, you know, really who's who's a
British and who is acceptable as an American. You know,
he's very suave and was in to catch it, you know,
play the jewel thief among other things in his career.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
A lot of people someone who had had a bit
of a twinkle in their eye.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yes, yeah, Yeah, people who went to a room and
who know that their personality precedes them, You know that
they and as they walk into the room, they're sort
of taking a notice of who's got the biggest watch
and where the necklaces are.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, this is what it's like to be
in a room with Bert.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Oh look, typically after twenty or thirty minutes, I'll return
your watch.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Well, how will I be able to tell I want
my watch?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Yeah, some of them. Some of Jake's characteristics are based
on I'm blocking the name of the book, but as
a book came out that as I was writing, his
character came out. So must have been you know last
year on the gentleman thief who befriended all the socializes
in the East Coast right and enough to know where
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they kept their safe and he would to go back
to their houses on you know, Long Island or wherever,
find a ladder and climb up there their second story
while they were having a big party and liberate their wealth,
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which I loved. Somebody who just fits right in and says, oh,
I have to leave now, goes around the back and
fetches the ladder.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
So this is number nineteen. Is there any end in
sight for the Mary Russell series.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Oh, I hope not.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Yeah, I think that I can keep and keep going into,
you know, into the twenties. The twenties certainly has some
interesting things going on into it. I like to I
like to play with events and characters who are moving
around the countryside. And I think that there's one one
sort of story grory element series element that has come
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along that I will have to deal with at some
point because brother Microft has become a sort of problematic
character in the books. The amount of power, the amount
of power that Microft holds in the government is a
thing that Russell finds problematic. That she doesn't think that
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one man should be given that much authority, even if
he is a basically ethical man like Micraft, and his
willingness to interfere in their lives and in the lives
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of people around the world is something that is coming
to a head in the series, and even brother Sherlock
is saying maybe not so great. So I think that
perhaps the next book, number twenty will have to finally
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deal with the Micraft question.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
That is something to look forward to. And you know,
I think there's always been a bit of dynamic tension
between the two brothers, and you know, there's there are
so few stories from the canon in which that appeared,
so there's been a lot of wonderfully imaginative writing and
and scenario setting that's expanded upon that. So I think
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we'll really look forward to seeing what you do with it,
particularly from Mary Russell's perspective.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's been it's been the dynamic
of the three of them has been. At first was
Mary got really peeved off at Microft, began to think
that he really should be reined in. But Sherlock, being
the younger brother who has always respected his brother's skills
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and position, and also being a sort of Victorian male,
thinks that well, it's not a great thing, but it's
better than the alternative, which is having somebody else in charge.
And he's now beginning to veer a little more closely
to her position of well, maybe maybe this is not
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a great thing to have. And so anyway, it'll be
interesting to see where it goes. I personally have no
idea where it's going to go, because I rarely do
when I'm writing books. I too, will be interested to see.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Excellent, well, In the meantime, folks can pick up a
copy of The Nave of Diamonds nineteenth and the Mary
Russell series by Laurie R. King, available pretty much anywhere
you get books, whether it's online or in an actual bookstore.
Imagine that Laurie any upcoming UH tour stops or visits
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that people can participate in or see you at.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
I'm not doing a lot this year, but anyone who
enjoys mystery conferences should certainly think of San Francisco next
February is having Left Coast Crime and it's it's a
it's a really fun conference because it's smaller than boutche Coon,
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certainly smaller than Comic Con, and it's I mean, it's
going to be it's going to be a really fun thing.
So if you're if anyone is thinking of doing some
California travel in the early months of twenty twenty six,
think about San Francisco and Left Coast Crime.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
So wonderful. Good well, Laurie King, thank you once again
for joining us here on I hear of Sherlock everywhere.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
I will say thank you, Scott, thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Oh Lah, you know, it's so much fun to talk
to Laurie because she's one of these authors when you
talk to them about their characters, everything rings true. You know,
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she's doesn't, and I find you know what she comments
about when she says, you know, I'll be interested to
find out what happens in this story because as she's
writing it, she's entertaining and engaging herself. And you know,
I'm sure she has the general outlines and knows where
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the thing is going to head broadly, but you know,
it's it's it's hard when you're into something like this
not to fall into the trap of repeating yourself and
doing things that work before just because they worked before,
but instead starting with you know, what can I add here?
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What can be different? How about this unusual character? You know,
we even seen him. She's just enormously creative. And it's
a lot of fun to talk to highly creative people. Yeah,
it is.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
And you know, in some ways this is almost what
Conan Doyle had to deal with over the course of
forty years with Holmes and Watson. And not only do
you have to be careful about not repeating yourself, you
have to be careful of not contradicting yourself, you know,
and particularly when you've got such an engaged fan base
as the Mary Russell audience is boy, I would imagine
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Laurie has to really stay on top of the game.
Of course, you know, now with computers it's much easier
to do a search and figure out what you said
when and all the rest. But for Conan Doyle, who
had burned up, torn up or given away some of
his manuscripts, well that was really difficult.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Not only did he repeat himself, but he continued to repeat.
He aggressively repeated and contradicted himself.
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Speaker 1 (46:07):
Well, it looks like it is the time when we
turn over the microphone to our intrepid correspondent, Madeline Kenyones.
It's a chance of listening with your correspondent, Madeleine Kiyonez.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Hello everyone, I'm Madeline Quianis and today I am here
to talk about a latecomer to the subgenre of podcasts
reviewing BBC Sherlock and CBS Elementary. This one focuses on
the letter and is called Elementary My DearS. Alison Malton
and George Hendricks started the show in January of twenty
(46:48):
twenty one and reviewed the first season of Elementary. Episode
by episode, Alison is a hardcore fan and George is
the more casual viewer but also Sherlockian. Episode they bring
on a different guest, which keeps the dynamic fresh and
different each time. They go into deep dives on various
elements in each episode, so in the first one they
(47:11):
get into serial killer trophies at one point. Could I
have done with that that one?
Speaker 7 (47:18):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (47:18):
I sure could have. But generally this is a great
feature and it makes it different from the other podcasts
in this little subgenre. Unfortunately, the show didn't last beyond
finishing up Elementary's first season. It went on hiatus and
never came back. That's the problem with Hiatus's HIATAI plug
(47:41):
in scotten Bird's favorite gag here hiatus, that's what you
say when you're greet anasious. I am so sorry, but
not enough to edit that out anyway. The point is
sometimes they go on hiatus and then that's the end
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of it. We're lucky CHRYLCKLMS came back from his and
what's kind of especially said is that in the final episode,
Alison and George talked about the episodes they wanted to
produce for fun during their hiatus, they were going to
review sho Lot Comes in the twenty second century and
mister Holmes and do other fun stuff, and those episodes
(48:26):
just never materialized. So let's talk recommendations. I think that
the introductory episode is not a bad place to start,
or indeed, the first normal episode, it's pretty indicative of
what to expect from the next few episodes I listened to.
I didn't listen to the whole show because someday I
am actually gonna make good on my commitment to watch
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more of Elementary and then I'll come back to this
show and listen to what they had to say. And
that's it for now. If you're in the Northern Hemisphere,
use your sunscreen and stay hydrated. And if you're in
the southern hemoshere, please send some of your colder our way,
because we could really use it.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Well, I'm glad Madeline said it so we didn't have
to what do you say when you meet him?
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Atis?
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Are we that predictable?
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Bert? Are we that predictable?
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Of course we are excellent. Well, I'm glad we've given
our audience something to hang their deer stalkers on. And
you can find those kinds of deer Stalker books. That
old knavish Uh, this is this is akin to the
old gag we used to do with the Sherlock Holmes
(49:43):
brand series of products. Oh yeah, get your deer Stalker hangers.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Those were fun. Maybe we'll bring those back some day.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
I wouldn't I wouldn't object. Maybe our listeners would, but
I would.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Oh. You know what that means.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Those dulcet string tones means it's time for everyone's favorite
sherlockean quiz program. That's right, it's canonical couplet where we
give you two lines of poetry and we ask you
to put on your thinking cap, to be creative and
determine which Sherlock Holmes story we are talking about. Now,
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if you recall the last time we were around here,
we gave you this clue. Holmes was fighting for a
client brave and earnest while facing a foe who was
most pathetic and sternest. Bert Bert, Bert, Bert. I am
(50:56):
going to ask you to attempt your best version of
which Sherlock Holmes story we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Oh, it is one of the wonderful, wonderful cases of
Sherlock Holmes. That's the case where Holmes masquerades as an
Irish American to catch a German spy, but his disguise
gives him a skin rash and he has to shave
off all his facial hair. It's the case Watson called
(51:25):
his last brow.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Sorry. I'm sorry for a number of reasons. I am sorry. Ah, No,
I'm afraid you did not get that one right. Impossible, No,
I know, But we will turn our attention to our pal,
Eric Deckers, who has always has greased us with well
(51:57):
and entertaining and hopefully illusu sedating answer. He says, I've
got it. It's the story of a British musical artist
who consumed an unhealthy amount of drugs and hallucinated that
his wife and her lover were actually goose stepping cartoon hammers,
so he wrote a whole rock opera about killing them.
(52:18):
It's the story. Watson dropped a load of acid and
called hello, is there anybody in there?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Wait, wait, sorry, I was watching Pink Floyd movies again,
which is why I'm so late. This was actually the
adventure of the retired colorman. Yes, Eric, that is correct.
You have led us once again to the veritable trough here.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
This was a tricky one.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
A lot of people had a difficult time with this one.
But the clue you couldn't see it because I don't
pronounce capital letters. But the clue was brave n capital
e earnest. Where's ray Earnest was the doctor that was
murdered by Josiah Amberley and the retired colorman? So brave
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and earnest. So yes, we do have a few entries
to choose from, So that requires us to bring out
the big prize wheel and give it a spear. Always
it's slowing down and landing on number eleven, number eleven,
(53:32):
and that looks like it corresponds to well, Richard Smith. Richard,
we actually have a copy of Christopher Chan's book on
Sherilokian poetry that we promised last time. And by the way,
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we should acknowledge that Chris himself entered the canonical couplet
and did submit correct response, but for obvious reasons, he's
not getting a copy of his own book. Well, I mean,
he has plenty of copies, but we're not giving him
another copy. He has graciously agreed to donate his copy
(54:13):
for the prize, So we thank you for that, Chris,
and we will make sure that it gets to Richard
Smith in due time. And now for this canonical couplet
we did promise you at the beginning of the show.
The prize is a signed copy of Lori R. King's
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nineteenth Mary Russell story Knave of Diamonds, that we've talked
to you about today. And here is your clue on
this occasion, Holmes put in his orer at a young
man's insistence, poor lispore. If you know the answer to
(54:54):
this episode's canonical couplet, put it in an email addressed
to comment that I hear of Sherlock dot com with
canonical couplet in the subject line. If we choose your
name at random from all the correct answers, you'll win
for good luck. Okay, how do you like that?
Speaker 2 (55:14):
That's pretty good?
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yeah, no complaints here. Why we don't have a call
in show.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Well, we have a telegram in show so people can
send us. Just go down to the Western Union office. Yes,
and you know cable ihos us and as soon as
someone drives someone rings up to our house with a
bicycle and gives us the message, we'll send you something back.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
That's perfect. Well, if you don't have access to a telegram, folks.
You can send us an email at comment at I
Hear at Sherlock dot com. You can leave a comment
in Patreon or in substack. That's where our communities are.
You can engage with other people there, or you can
drop by our Facebook page. That's always a place to
(56:04):
see us. But we do delight in hearing from you
if you have anything to say, anything to share. It's
always lovely to hear from other Sherlockians. Well, Bert, we've
got a couple of weeks before we're going to hear
from another Sherlockian. What are you going to do with
yourself in the ensuing moments.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Well, I'm going to be following some of those bread crumbs.
Last year, I went on this long hike and I
left some breadcrumbs to help me get back home. So
I'm going to start picking them up because I don't
believe in polluting the environment with anything other than my
own speech.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Well, I am thankful that you do. I'm here to
catch every syllable, every vowel, every consonant that falls out
of your mouth.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, but what about the commas? You're just not doing
very well on Look, look down on the floor, Look
at all those commas and I'm not going to get
don't get me started on the semicolons.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
Oh well, you know it's funny. During a recent medical exam,
I had to have a little portion removed, So now
I have a semi colon.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
I want to tell you.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
I had a semicolonoscopy.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Isn't this where Bob would introduce Joey Heatherton. Here's what
you're fighting for. Here's what you're fighting for.
Speaker 6 (57:26):
Man.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Okay, Well, grammatical commentary aside and medical commentary aside. Let's
just get to the to the end here and wish
our listeners a wonderful first couple of weeks of July.
And we'll see you here the next time. And I
hear of Sherlock everywhere in the meantime, I am the
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always grammatical Scott Monty.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
And I'm the frequently re edited Bertwolder.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
And together we say.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
The game, sir, a lot, the games of the foot.
I'm afraid that in the pleasure of this conversation, I
am neglecting business of importance which awaits me. Thank you
(58:30):
for listening.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Please be sure to join us again for the next
episode of I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere. The first podcast
dedicated to Sherlock Holmes. Goodbye and good luck, and believe
me to be my dear fellow.
Speaker 2 (58:50):
That is sincely yours, Sherlock Holmes,
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