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It began with an idea for a series of radio mysteries, each five minutes long, that listeners could solve by considering the evidence. Sherlock Holmes would then give the solution — and to make it even more interesting, Watson could conclude with a moral lesson reflecting the story. Thanks to the author, journalist, and broadcaster Kel Richards, it became a popular feature on Australian radio, and Ray Riethmeier, BSI ("Morrison, Morrison, and Dodd") thought it would make a wonderful book. Through a strange series of circumstances — destiny, perhaps? — Ray eventually found Richards and reunited him with transcripts of the programs. Join us as we talk to Ray about the result: Sherlock Holmes 5-Minute Mysteries, a collection of fifty fair-play puzzlers that also enable personal, Christian exploration.Next, we explore Sherlockian gatherings for the first half of November in "The Learned Societies" segment. Madeline Quinones is back with A Chance of Listening, and the Canonical Couplet quiz tests your Sherlock Holmes knowledge, with something from the vaults for the winner. Send your answer to comment @ihearofsherlock.com by September 29, 2025 at 11:59 a.m. EST. All listeners are eligible to play.As a reminder, our supporters can listen to the show ad-free and have access to occasional bonus material. Join us on the platform of your choice (Patreon | Substack).
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It began with an idea for a series of radio mysteries, each five minutes long, that listeners could solve by considering the evidence. Sherlock Holmes would then give the solution — and to make it even more interesting, Watson could conclude with a moral lesson reflecting the story. Thanks to the author, journalist, and broadcaster Kel Richards, it became a popular feature on Australian radio, and Ray Riethmeier, BSI ("Morrison, Morrison, and Dodd") thought it would make a wonderful book. Through a strange series of circumstances — destiny, perhaps? — Ray eventually found Richards and reunited him with transcripts of the programs. Join us as we talk to Ray about the result: Sherlock Holmes 5-Minute Mysteries, a collection of fifty fair-play puzzlers that also enable personal, Christian exploration.Next, we explore Sherlockian gatherings for the first half of November in "The Learned Societies" segment. Madeline Quinones is back with A Chance of Listening, and the Canonical Couplet quiz tests your Sherlock Holmes knowledge, with something from the vaults for the winner. Send your answer to comment @ihearofsherlock.com by September 29, 2025 at 11:59 a.m. EST. All listeners are eligible to play.As a reminder, our supporters can listen to the show ad-free and have access to occasional bonus material. Join us on the platform of your choice (Patreon | Substack).
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I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere. Episode three hundred eighteen Sherlock
Holmes Five Minute Mysteries.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
A head of Sherlock very well since Julie gave as
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In a world where it's always eighteen ninety five, It's.
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I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
A podcast for devotees of mister Sherlock Holmes, the world's
first unofficial consulting detective.
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The Game's afoot as we interview authors, editors, creators, and
other prominent Sherlockians on various aspects of the great detective
in popular culture.
Speaker 8 (02:14):
As we go to press, sensational developments have been reported.
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So join your hosts, Scott Monty and Bert Wolder as
they talk about what's new in the world of Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
I'm mill Curtis.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
This is I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere now Here. Are
your hosts, Scott Mahty and Bert Walder. Oh thank you
very much, mister Bill Curtis. It's an honor to be here.
Welcome everyone to I hear of Sherlock everywhere. The first
podcast for Sherlock Holmes devots where it's always eighteen ninety five.
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I'm Scott Monty, I'm Burt Walder. The mystery is Bert,
Who will you be in five minutes?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Nobody ever heard of me?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I go to the checkout check in desk. I say,
I'm here. You know, I'm checking in. They say, who what? Who? What? Huh? Bert?
Speaker 6 (03:13):
Who?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Mystery?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I hose what.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
When? What? Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
That's like you probably remember the mel Brooks remake of
the Jack Benny film.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
To Be or Not to Be Right?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah it was Arthur. Was it Arthur Bronsky? Frederick Bronsky?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
World famous in Poland. So there you go.
Speaker 8 (03:42):
We are.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I hose we're world famous on the internet.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
On the Internet.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I don't know what that gets us. Well, anyway, I've
got a great show lined up for you Today. We're
going to be talking to longtime listener and somebody we've
been a fan of for a while, Ray Reefmeyer, fantastic
editor and author in his own right. We'll be talking
about a fascinating book that basically Ray rescued from the
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dust bin of history. How he got there and how
he managed to discover it and resurrect it, well, that
is the story that he's going to tell us today.
We also, of course, have events that you should know
of in the learned societies that'll be coming up shortly
after the interview. You'll want to stick around because Madeline
(04:33):
Kenonez is back for one of her Chance of Listening reviews,
where she looks at a certain Sherlockian podcast in each
episode here and gives us a down low on exactly
what it's all about. And after that is the canonical
couplet quiz, where if you are lucky enough to guess
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the answer to this episode's couplet, we're going to send
you a free copy of Ray reith Meyer's book. Of course,
we have to pick your name at random from all
the people that guess correctly, but that's the idea. And
of course we'll be announcing the winner of Sherlock Holmes
and the Real Thing that's the prize from the last episode,
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thank you. Well, let's march into these fine learned society
as we promised you, before we get to our review
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of a couple of weeks of the sherlockan Calendar. Here, Bert,
we had an interesting item drop into our inbox today.
How timely and do you remember what that is by
any chance?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, of course I do. The inbox is one of
the things that's in email, you know, if you go
in to oh oh, oh, wait a minute, that's not
your question. Yes, I do remember. It was a note
from our pal Ed Pettitt at the Rosenbach in Philadelphia,
to tell us that the terrific series that he runs,
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Sherlock Monthly, is back. And if you're listening to this
on the same day that this show goes live, you've
only missed the first the first appearance of it, because
that happened on the twenty seventh of September.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
No, no, no, no, no, you're getting your dates mixed up. Bert,
we're recording on the day we're we're leasing the show.
This is the fifteenth. Wait a minute, hold, this is
September fifteenth.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Wait a minute, hold on, let me look around. I
know wait wait, just hold on. You're right, this is
the fifteenth.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oh your calendar didn't follow you on the road today.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Wait a minute. How come I wasn't told?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Oh I don't know. It's because your calendar is silent.
You see.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Oh that's true. Yeah. I never said a told series
to shadow. These systems don't look like that. Yes, you're well,
of course, you're absolutely right. Once again I'm wrong. But
on the twenty seventh, So friends, it's just twelve days
away for the start the restart of Sherlock Mondays.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
We're looking forward to that. We'll have a link to
Sherlock Mondays in the show notes as well as link
to the Sherlock in calendar where we are going to
delve in now on November one, if you happen to
be five miles from anywhere, and I think that would
include everyone listening, Derek Blander is running a virtual meeting
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of the five Miles from Anywhere group. You can find
them on Facebook. That's on November first.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
And on November two. The crew of the bark Lone
Star is having another one of their regular virtual meetings.
Steve Mason is the contact for that.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Fantastic and my original Sie on the Men on the
Tour from Connecticut is having a dinner meeting on November
second in Derby, Connecticut. Or I suppose if you're from England, Darby,
Connecticut and you can contact Greg Derek.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Yes, and the fifth of November. That is, of course
Guy Fawkes Day. Remember remember the fifth of November. You
can remember that on ash Wednesday in New York City
and your contact is Shanna Carter.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
If you would like to participate in a virtual meeting
of the Transfixed Correspondence of Phoenix, you can also do
that on November fifth. Laurence or soon zircone? Am I
saying that correctly? Lawrence orconeon?
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I think it's it's Leyron, isn't it. Oh? Oh you
mean the last name.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Laurence.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I hope so well, Lauren correct us if we're wrong.
But either way, folks can show up and learn for
themselves on November fifth.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Yes, and I'd love to show up well. I can
actually at the virtual meeting of the Shaka Sherlockians of
Hawaii and Doctor Joe Page is your contact there or
their website is Shaka Sherlockian dot com, s A h
a Ka Sherlockian dot com.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Shock a Shaka Shaka Sherlockian.
Speaker 9 (10:58):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
If you have to be in Saint Louis, Missouri, on
November eighth, again that's a Saturday, the Parallel Case of
Saint Louis is having a meeting. Find out more of that.
More about that from Rob Nunn and on the Parallel
Cases website.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
And on the eighth of November as well, the Cespudleyans
of London, Ontario are having their virtual meeting and you
can find well. You can find out the contact at
Cesespudleyans dot Weebley dot com.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And if you are in New York and you didn't
get your fill of ASH on the fifth of November,
you can follow up with even more ASH. On November eighth,
the Adventuresses of Sherlock Holmes hosting their Fall luncheon. Have
you heard zog as the contact. You can find out
more about the Adventuresses at ash dash NYC dot com.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
And still on November eighth, Northfield, Illinois, the Scotland Yarders
are having their holiday luncheon. Janis Wiener is the contact
for that.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I think that is that Jane's Wiener of Winer. I'm
pretty sure it's Winer Winer.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I don't want to I don't want to get in trouble.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Sure it's not not Janis.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Denise, Jennie's went up. Stop it, jana Is Winer.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Please, you're just trying to be thorough.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I want to be kind of the people in Chicago.
There are so many great Sherlockians there. I am actually
on my way to the Chicago Land area on September
twenty seventh myself. So yeah, the tourists internationals.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Right, you're a speaker there, yes.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And I still have to figure out what I'm talking about,
which I have to do that now. For this episode,
November ninth, Keene, New Hampshire, the Monettnock Sherlockians are meeting.
Our friend Anna Barons is running that one.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
And on the ninth of November the tea Brokers of
Mincing Lane are having one of their virtual meetings. Karen
Ellery is the person who knows all about that.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, they don't mince words either. Locally here in Michigan
and Royal Oak, the Ribston Pippins are holding their thirty
seventh anniversary dinner. Regina Stinson is the contact there. You
can find out more at Ribstondashpippins dot com.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Hmm, and that lists as a silver Blaze and thirty
seventh anniversary dinner.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
How about that, Well, it's not a silver blaze. I
think we're just celebrating silver blaze.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Ah, got it. And a lot more going on. On
the fifteenth, the Norwegian Explorers have their Virtual Study Group meeting.
Tom Gottwalt can tell you.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
More, and the Nashville Scholars of the Three Pipe Problem
having a lunch meeting in Nashville. Jeff Steward there Nashville
Scholars dot com.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
And then finally on the fifteenth, a really magnificent event,
the seventy fifth anniversary of the Red Circle in Bethesda,
Maryland is having their seventy fifth anniversary special event. And
it is indeed a special event because they will be
screening three of the restored stole films featuring Island Norwood,
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Island Norwood?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Who Stole them?
Speaker 8 (14:29):
Though?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
That's the question that have not been seen in the
United States for many, many decades, And Peter Blough can
tell you more, and You can also look at their
website Red Circle dot Red Circle DC dot org.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Boy, I hope they've been able to add voices to
that version of Sherlock Holmes at this point.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
It actually recalls the time we were in Chautauqua when
we saw a few Island Norwood films screened there. Our
late great friend Russell Merritt was there to introduce them.
He was a silent film expert, and we had live
piano accompaniment to act as an underscore for the films.
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It was really something fantastic, and I think if you
go to our show notes a few of the archives
you can find episode one oh four Sherlockeans at Chautauqua.
We'll have a link to that in the show notes
as well.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
M Yeah, and I think that they're also going to
have live music for that as well.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yes, I don't know if it's the same accompanist or not.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
It's live, live musical accompaniment by Ben Modell, not.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
The same guy.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
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Ray Reithmeier is a nitpicker for fun and profit. He's
worked for the last thirty years as an attorney editor
for Thompson Reuters, but he also edits new and classic
pulp fiction for a variety of publishers. Ray has contributed
to several Sherlock Holmes titles for the BSI Press, and
he serves as co editor of the Christmas annual newsletter
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for the Norwegian Explorers of Minnesota, his local sciences. Ray's
most recent project for Bilander Books was The Consultations of
Sherlock Holmes, in which the mysteries emphasized the great Detective's
role as a consultant rather than being a primary investigator,
and his newest book is Sherlock Holmes five minute Mysteries
(17:20):
written by kel Richards and edited by Ray Reithmeyer. Ray
received his investiture Morrison, Morrison and Dodd in The Baker
Street Irregulars in twenty twenty one. Ray Reithmeyer, Welcome to
I hear of Sherlock everywhere.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Well, thank you very much for having me on the program.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
It is so nice to be with you here.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I know we've seen you around the Sherlock In parts
for quite a while, so it's going to be fun
to have this conversation before we jump into the topic
at hand. Why don't we get down to the basics
with you. How did you first come across Sherlock Holms.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
Well, to be honest, I think most of us would say,
I don't really know. I think he's just always been there.
But beyond the ubiquitous presence of Sherlock Holmes in our culture,
I think the first time I really stood up and
took notice of the canonical Sherlock Holmes as written by
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Conan Doyle was with the publication of the Cases of
Sherlock Holmes comic book series by Renegade Press back in
the mid eighties. And that was a great publication because
it was the actual stories written by Conan Doyle and
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copiously illustrated by artists Dan Day. So it's just it
would have the text on the page and he would
lay it out in interesting ways, with parts of the
text over in one section, in parts of the text
over another section, and fill the page with his with
his great black and white illustrations. And as a comic
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book reader, the first issue jumped out at me because
I had a lovely painted cover by by Dan Day
and his brother David Day, and I picked that up
and thought, well, I like Sherlock Holmes. Everyone liked Sherlock Holmes.
I'm going to give this a try. And when I
took it home and read it, there was just no
going back, like this is great. Where has this been
all my life? And that was that was where it started.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
That's fantastic. I remember those those comic books and the
covers were just so well done, you know, those full
color illustrations. Obviously they were influenced heavily by Basil Rathbone
and Nigel Bruce, but the beauty there was you were
actually getting the full canonical treatment. Like you say, you're
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reading the whole story. It's not a bridge like some
comic books are you're actually immersed in the whole canon,
well in the number of stories that they did for
the canon.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
So yeah, I think did about a third of the
of the stories.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, just by coincidence. Have you had a chance to
speak with Joanna Draper Carlson by any chance?
Speaker 8 (20:22):
I have, and I know her interest in the comic
book world of Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 8 (20:33):
No, we haven't had a lot of in depth discussion.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Well, I just I mentioned that because we had her
on the show on episode two thirty nine, and there's
so much in terms of Sherlock Holmes in comic books
and strips and whatnot that it's a topic that we
could go on for a long time on. But that's
not why we're here. So talk to us about how
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you're first discovered this side association, as this branch of
people we know as Sherlockians that get together on a
regular basis. How did you move from the Renegade comics
to the Cannon to Sherlockians.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Well, the comics made me a fan and I started
reading I was I decided I had to read ahead,
you know, I couldn't wait for the next issue to come.
So I was able to find a copy of the
two volume double Day set on my parents' bookshelf, so
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I dove into that. But the question was how I
got into the community, right, yeah, yeah, So I thought
I was just pretty much alone. I didn't realize there
was a larger Schlocian community except for the Rougheren to
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that near mythological group. The Baker Street are regulars, and well,
that's just unattainable to a teenager. Maybe not, but that's
how it felt at the time. But in my part
of the world, I grew up in Rochester, New York,
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and we did not have an active sherlacking group there
at the time. I understand there is one there now.
I think it's called Rochester Row. And it wasn't until
I was in my twenties and working for my current
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employer and they decided that they wanted to change how
their operations were being done and they shifted my function
to an office in Minnesota. So I had they offered
to move to Minnesota. I investigated and thought, yeah, I
will do that, So I made the move and one
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of the first people I encountered out there was John Berquist,
who worked for my employer in Minnesota, and he somewhere
along the line, we in our conversations came up that
we shared the interest in Sherlock Holmes, and he said
I should really go to the the to the Norwiching
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Sporers meeting, and so I did. Although now that I'm
saying this, I think I may have it backwards. I
think it may well be that I went to a
meeting first and met John there, and then we discovered
that we both worked for the same company.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Inted you to a company event, and then you invited.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Yeah, so it may have gone the other way. I'm
not at this point. It's hard. It's hard to say
with certainty where I met John, whether it was at
Thompson Writers and then we find out that we shared
our Sherlock Holmes interest, or if it was at the
Norwegian Explorers where we found out, hey, our paychecks are
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cut by the same people.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
So what was the point where you finally, how did
you get enough head of a head of steam around
your interest in Sherlock Holmes to begin, you know, thinking
about him as a character.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
I'm not sure I understand the questioner.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Well, it's okay, Burt doesn't understand it either, So.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Yeah, I mean, well, you know, you've you know, you've
been in collaboration with other writers and you know, actually
doing things with pastiches and collections and things like that,
anthologies of stories.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Okay, all right, I got the gist of that now,
thank you. It took me while before I realized that
I wanted to contribute to the Sherlockian world as opposed
to just enjoying it, you know, to actually actually contribute
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something new didn't come to mind for quite a while,
and in fact, I mentioned my employer. I work as
an attorney editor for Thomson Reuters, which is a very
dull sort of thing to describe. I edit law books
for a living, but I find it fascinating. It's exactly
the kind of work I want to be doing. But
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I enjoy editing, and it it strikes me as kind
of befuddling that it never crossed my mind that I
could apply my editing skills into something more interesting like
Sherlock Holmes. And it really wasn't until I started becoming
(25:59):
more active in the Norwegian Explorers that my vocation and
avocation intersected, because I started contributing articles to both the
Explorations newsletter and to the Christmas Annual, and it didn't
take long before the people who were working on those
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anytime there's somebody who's expressing an interest, people want to
tap into that. And so I was asked to come
on board and help edit both of those products. And
I've been doing that for well, I don't know, twelve
(26:42):
thirteen years now, and that was a great way to
start recognizing that I can be an editor in the
Schrilakian world. And really the first time I did something
substantial with that was for one of the Triennial conferences
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when we did the theme of the Misadventures of Sherrock
Holmes and we had a conference meeting for that like
two months before the conference was going to happen, and
we'd had the I think I think it was Juliy
mccurriss suggested, wouldn't have been a neat idea if we
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could have put together a book of all the stories
that eury Queen mentioned in his original Misadventures but didn't
include in the book. Too bad we didn't do that
and at that point, at that point Phil Bergham on
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the conference committee with me, he and I both leapt
forward and said we can do that, and everyone else
on the committee said that's impossible. You can't make that
happen in the six to eight weeks we have left
before the conference actually happens. But Phil and I dug
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in and made that happen. That was the first time
I ever got my name on the cover of a
Shaw Holmes book, and it was kind of an eye
opening experience for me to actually see, look what I
can do with the talents that I have at my command.
(28:28):
And after that, it was just a matter of time
before I had the opportunity to work with the folks
at Bilandra Books. They actually reached out to me at
one point and said, we have some projects that we
want to publish there in need of an editor. And
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so we talked about what projects they had in line,
and I started working with them. And so it's been
a delight for me to be able to contribute to
Sherlockiana in this way.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
That's marvelous. I love it when a good story like
that comes together. So I recall from my childhood a
one particular book, but it was part of a series
of books by Donald J. Soble called two Minute Mysteries.
(29:27):
And as I look back on archive dot org and
I'll have a link to this. In the show notes,
I found that the original nineteen sixty seven two Minute
Mysteries shows that the top half of a stopwatch and
the two minutes between twelve and two minutes past twelve,
and there's a snidly whiplash character kind of peeking out
(29:51):
from one side of the bezel and then crawling up
the other side of the clock on his hands and
knees is Sherlock Holmes. I don't think any of these
stories involved Sherlock Holmes, but I do remember reading them,
probably in the fourth or fifth grade or so, and
just being fascinated by knowing that there were all of
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the facts I needed to solve the case in those
couple of pages, and I could set myself to it,
just like the Inspector and the stories. I was fascinated.
This is my pre Sherlock Holmes time. Well, now we
have Sherlock Holmes five Minute Mysteries, and I'm interested in
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hearing your journey that connects your Sherlock in interest with
what you managed to discover and document over the course
of the years. Because there's a there's a third party
involved here under the name of kel Richards, so tell
us how this all fits together?
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Ray all right, I will do that. The book Shlock
Holmes Five Minute Mysteries was written by kel Richards. I
had the great pleasure of being able to serve as
the editor of this book, largely because this book could
not have existed but for my intervention. And the way
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it all started was back in the nineteen nineties. I
was trying to fill up my Sherlockian library with all
sorts of fun books. And I do have a particular
interest in pastiches, and I enjoy what I think are
good ones. But everyone has their own particular taste when
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it comes to Serlockean pastiches, and what I think is great,
other people would probably think is garbage, and vice versa.
But there was a short series of books that were
published in the mid nineties written by Kel Richards that
was called the Sherlock Holmes's Tales of Terror for the
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younger market. They were clearly designed to appeal to the
folks who enjoyed the R. L. Stein Goosebumps books. So
the notion was that here's here's some books that might
be a little more palatable for parents to have their
kids reading if they're uncertain about what the contents of
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these scary Goosebumps books might be. I'm not sure there
was any real problem with the Goosebumps books, but kel
Richards wrote these, these three these three books shrock Holmes's
tales of terror, and they were designed to appeal to
the same audience. So it was things like The Headless Monk,
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the Vampire Serpent, and they were brisk reads, not very long.
But what I found fascinating about them is that in
the stories, Sherlock Holmes and doctor Watson expressed their Christian faith,
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which is not something that we're accustomed to seeing in
the Cannon, but it didn't really take me out of
the story. It felt rather natural to me to recognize
that these were Victorian gentlemen of the time. In all likelihood,
they they were church going gentlemen who had a faith
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that they kept close to the vest It was not
something they needed to share widely in every circumstance, but
it was there. And so when I read these stories
that cal Richards wrote that it felt okay to me.
I know that maybe off putting to some Sharlockean readers
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that go, what Sharlock Holmes a Christian? Well, take it
or leave it. I liked it, and at some point
I started doing some internet searches. I mean it was
still the mid nineties, and I remember enjoying using the
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computer lab on my college campus. I graduated law school
in ninety six, which was about the time these books
were being published. And I don't know when I did
my first web search for kel Richards, but I was
just looking to see if there was anything more by
or about him that I could find, and somewhere on
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the line. Over the years, I would keep looking, and
the history here suggests to me that it was probably
around two thousand and two that I stumbled across a
(34:58):
web page in US Australia for a radio station in
Australia that was keeping transcripts of their programming. Not nothing
done with technology, but currently done by somebody writing really fast,
(35:18):
you know, keying on a computer while the radio broadcasts
were being aired. Somebody was transcribing everything that was being said,
and so they had records of their programming. And kel
Richards was one of their presenters, and hey had a
regular program and once a week on his program he
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would do a Friday five minute mystery and some of them,
not all of them, but some of these five minute
mysteries starred Sherlock Holmes, and I thought this is great.
I finally found some more Showock home stories written by
kel Richards, and I used my rudimentary computer skills at
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the time and grabbed copies of these transcripts and started
creating a word document. I would just keep pacing them
in every time I would go go back to that
radio station's transcriptions page. I checked each Friday to see
was there a Sharlock Holmes story this week, and if
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there was, I would copy it and add it to
my word document, which I thought was great. I was
building a nice little document of these stories that otherwise
I wouldn't be able to read. And that went on
for probably a year or more.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
And.
Speaker 8 (36:51):
I found myself ultimately with the collection of fifty five
minute mysteries which starred Sharock Holmes written by Cal Richards.
And ultimately the radio station's website stopped updating, and so
I don't know if he kept writing them or if
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they just stopped updating, but I got fifty stories out
of it, and ultimately the radio station's website disappeared altogether,
and so then all I had left to prove that
these stories existed was this word document that I had
printed out and had in a little plastic sleeve for
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my safekeeping, and I would occasionally go back to them
and reread them and enjoy them. And at some point
my son became old enough that I realized I could
share these with him because he was the right age
for reading bedtime stories. And these five minute mysteries all had,
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all had good moral lessons in the end. That was
part of the appeal of these stories to me was
that they were They tell of a crime Holmes is
called in to investigate. You get to that point where
it's Holmes says to you know, the inspector arrests this man.
And that's the question is how does Holmes know You know,
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you've seen all the clues, turn the page and find
what the answer is. And you know, as you said, Scott,
that whole notion of trying to figure it out for yourself,
acting as the inspector yourself, it's it's it's quite fun.
And but the twist on these is that more than
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just the recognition that Holmes and Watson may have been Christian,
which cal Richards had supplied in his Tales of terror
in these five minute mysteries. The solutions allow Watson to
elaborate on a moral lesson that can be from this
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crime and the solution that Holmes was able to provide.
And so I thought that was a great thing that
I could do with my son when he was like
eight or nine. We would read through the stories together,
we'd see if he could come up with the answer,
and then when it was done, it turned into an
opportunity for a little kind of Christian devotional and I
thought that was a wonderful way to spend an evening
(39:23):
with my son. And that to me, I thought, that's
all it's going to be. But probably about let's see,
about six or seven years ago, after I had been
working with a variety of different publishers with Shack Holmes
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Books and also doing some work for some pulp fiction publishers,
I just kind of had the idea, well, it's a
shame that I only have this document as a print
out of what I've created in a word document. It
would be nice if I could just maybe turn it
(40:05):
into a book that I would just get, you know,
specially printed for myself. So I actually took some time
and started formatting it with the idea that you know,
it's nothing else going to be offered for sale, but
I would just like to have a copy for myself.
I didn't get very far with it because other parts
(40:28):
of life interfered, but it kind of planted the seed
that I would like to see this book exist. And boy,
what was it? Two or three years ago? The Blander
people Blander Books, Derek and Brian reached out to me
to say they'd like me to contribute to one of
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their nonfiction books. It was called Reading Homes, and they
wanted me to write something about homes pastiches and what
draws me to reading holmes pastiches. And so I wrote
an article and I happened to mention the tales of
terror stories that Kel Richards had written, and in passing,
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I said he'd also written these fifty other five minute
mysteries that have never been collected. And I just kind
of hoped that maybe the Blanders would see that and think, well,
what can we do about that? And yeah, last year
we got to talking at the BSI Weekend in New
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York and they asked me about that, and I said,
I've got the stories, we just need to find the author.
We certainly can't publish these things without the author on board,
and so then I had to I had to find him,
and that was a challenge in itself. Again, it was
like two decades after I did my last batch of
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internet searches for kel Richards. It's like I'm doing it again.
Time I found him and was able to reach out
to him, and well, I at this point, I guess
I feel I've babbled quite a bit. Is there anything
(42:14):
particularly want me to elaborate on.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
Well, I'm curious, you know, I'm curious. You've got you've
got these fifty five minute mysteries, and you've clearly spent
a lot of time with them, thought about them, found
the transcriptions, use them with your son. What's your favorite
and can and or favorites? And would you pick one
(42:39):
and just explain to our listeners, you know, as an
example sort of how it works and what's going on
all right.
Speaker 8 (42:47):
I'm not sure if I have a favorite. But what
I really liked about these stories is that kel Richards
clearly knows the cannon, and many of the stories are
his attempt to tell the untold stories that Watson mentioned
(43:07):
in Passing, and so one of the fun ones in
here is to realize that maybe some of those stories
that we didn't know about until now is because they
really weren't full short stories like the ones that Watson
was publishing in The Strand it was. It may well
(43:28):
be that they were a different kind of story, a
shorter story, a quick five minute mystery perhaps, and he
just didn't have the market for them at the time.
And so when he mentioned the disappearance of James Phillimore,
maybe he didn't write a full story for The Strand
because it wasn't substantial enough for that, but it was
(43:49):
perfect for a five minute mystery. And that is one
of the stories in here. We get to find out,
you know, what happened when he stepped into his home
for his umbrella and was never again.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (44:01):
The clues are all there, as cal Richards plants them,
Holmes is able to figure it out, and then we
get the the the resolution and a nice moral about it.
So I I like that kind of thing. There's there's
an awful lot.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
Of well staying staying with that one. What were what
were starting the clues? And what's the moral?
Speaker 8 (44:23):
Ah? Boy, let me think. Okay, I've got the book
in front of me. Thank you nine. Okay, well, I
don't want to give it away, but the the the
the story is laid out with the same kind of
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notion that we we know that this this man, you know,
step back into his home because you know, it looks
like it's going to be raining. He steps back in
his home. He's never seen again. The I believe it
was the butler reports that, well know, you know you
he's not here, and so nobody has any clue what happened,
(45:06):
just that we know he came out of his home,
decided to go back in, and and the I believe
it was I believe it was Holmes's rival Barker, that
was was originally on the trail of this man. And
and so that's that's another bit of trulockey and trivia.
(45:28):
But the way that Holmes investigated to say, well, how
can it be that this man steps into this home,
He investigates the there's no possibility of hidden rooms, hidden passages,
other escape routes, and all he has to go on
is the testimony of the butler. And well that turned
(45:52):
out to be the key. Something about the butler proved
to be the proved to be the solution. And this
story actually has as the has the moral of the mystery.
It's an old maximum of mind that when you've eliminated
(46:13):
the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
And cal Richard's plays on that idea that well, there's
there's you know, it's impossible for him to have gone
out at different door, it's impossible for him to have
hidden in a in a hidden passage, so it might
(46:33):
be improbable. But this is the only thing left. He's
eliminated all the other things, and that's what we come to.
And so that's that's the story in a nutshell without
giving it away, I hope, hm.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Well, I don't know if it was in this story.
But you know, in any story, any detective story, when
you show up and and find a butler whose last
name is did it, everyone knows the butler did it?
No sorry, uh ray. When when you think to the
original Sherlock Holmes stories, because a lot of these, as
(47:16):
you mentioned, are ripped from the headlines.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
These are the.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
The unscripted, the unwritten cases that Watson has mentioned or
or have has put in his tin dispatch box. But
when when you think about the ones that were actually published,
what what moral lessons did Conan Doyle leave us with
that kind of provided a trail for where Kel went.
Speaker 8 (47:44):
That's a that's an interesting question. I think perhaps the
the well the first answer that comes to mind for
me is the the dichotomy that that Doyle painted in
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the character of Sherrock Holmes with between law and justice.
And for Sherrock Holmes there was a higher justice than
a strict adherence to the law, which is why we
so saw so often that he would perhaps you know,
(48:26):
let somebody escape punishment because they have had enough already,
or he would compound a felony in certain cases because
he thought there was a higher justice at play. And
I think that may well be the idea that may
(48:47):
have percolated in Kel Richard's mind, that there is a
higher justice. And I think that the connection there is
to the Christian faith, I think is not that far
of a leap. If there's human law that isn't quite
(49:09):
it doesn't feel just to us what higher court is
there to which we can appeal? And I think for
those of us who share the Christian faith, it's a
great comfort to know that there is that the highest
(49:29):
court of appeal really belongs to God and I think
that's probably the sort of thing that cal Richards wanted
to impute into the character of Holmes, is that seeing
that he doesn't necessarily hold fast to human law, because
(49:51):
there's a higher justice, it would be nice to think
that perhaps he's perhaps he finds the direction his for
his application of justice to come from godly law.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
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do you know if Kel is still actively writing?
Speaker 8 (52:03):
Kelly is actively writing. In fact, the place that I
found him when I did my most recent Internet search
was on a website called oz words o zwrds because
he is Australian and he has a regular a regular
(52:27):
blog in which he shares his perspective on words and
terminology that are coming up in the news, and he
will share what these words mean, where they came from.
He's quite a master of sharing those kind of interesting
(52:49):
tidbits about the origins of words, where they came from,
how long they've been part of the English language anyway.
So he does this blog called oz words, and I
was able to reach out to him using the contact
Kel button on his web page, and I told him
(53:10):
I've been working with Bilander Books and I've mentioned these
five minute mystery stories to them and they were they're
eager to turn them into a book. And so I
sent off that message to him, hopeful that i'd get
a response, and about two or three days later, I
did get an email from him, in which he very
(53:33):
apologetically and almost dismissively, said, well, there's nothing we can
do about that, because those stories are lost. I was
like several computers ago. And he said, I know I
should be more careful with my writing, but you know
they're gone now. Clearly he hadn't read my contact Kel
message very clearly. But I immediately wrote back to him
(53:57):
and said, no, no, no, no, you misunderstand. I have
these transcripts from twenty years ago, and we're interested in
doing something with them. I shared my word document with him.
I attached it in my email to him and said,
(54:17):
you're going to see these are just transcripts that came
off of your radio broadcast. So you wrote the stories
and those are lost, but when you read them on
the air, somebody did a transcript and the transcripts were
pretty wonky. In places, the horrible punctuation, lots of homonyms
(54:41):
that were transphonsed instead of the right words. So that's
what happens when people are transcribing quickly, you get the
wrong words. And so paragraph breaks were pretty much nonexistent.
But as I said a few years back, I had
thought maybe I could do something this, and I had
gotten a start into formatting these things and fixing the
(55:05):
errors that clearly had been introduced by the transcription, and
so i've yeah, so I worked on that. I mean,
that was going to be my role in this, is
getting these scripts, these transcripts, into a publishable shape. And
(55:25):
so I did that part of it, and kel Richards
tweaked some of some of the writing. With twenty years hindsight,
he saw some things that he wanted to modify, and
so over the course of a few months, we got
these fifty stories into a publishable shape and delivered them
(55:47):
to Blanders. And now this this mere dream that I
had had, you know, this notion that wouldn't it be
neat if these could be collected into a book. Now
they actually are. It's one of my one of my
projects that brings me the greatest pleasure because it's been
(56:08):
so long in the gestation, from originally having been written
by kel Richards back in two thousand and two, two
thousand and three and now finally appearing as a book
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
That's marvelous. I you know, when when all I want
to say, when a plan comes together, but it's more
than a plan. I mean, it's it's a passion that
you had. It was driving and they didn't really have
a home for so long, and all of these strands
just came together by you know, your your association, your
(56:46):
continued studiousness in the Sherlockian world, and and here we
are today and we all are the better for it
for having this book you put out. So I'm so please.
I if this was a video show, you would have
been able to see my smile beaming from ear to
(57:07):
ear as you as you just talked about being able
to bring this dream to life. And I think that's
just a marvelous example for others.
Speaker 8 (57:15):
Well, thank you, and I agree. I think it's just
it's a good a good illustration of the of that
maxim from that was used in the in the James
Fillmore story. You know, when you've eliminated the impossible. Whatever remains,
however improbable, must be the truth. And I think this
(57:37):
the chain of events that brought us to the publication
of this book seems so improbable it verges on the impossible,
but clearly it happened. And I kind of do suspect
that there was a higher power involved in connecting the dots,
(58:00):
you know, all these strange, disparate coincidences over the course
of two decades. I think we were meant to get
these stories into print at this time. I don't know why,
but I think there's probably at least one reader out
there who needs this book. You this opportunity is to
(58:22):
think about the presence of God in their lives, and
if it can draw just one person a little closer
to God, I'm going to be very pleased and satisfied
that we've accomplished something meaningful. And so my answer to
the classic maximum, when you've eliminated the impossible, I think,
(58:48):
eliminate the impossible. With God, all things are possible, and
I think this book is a small example. Is that.
Speaker 5 (58:58):
Excellent?
Speaker 3 (58:59):
Well, if you are interested in reading Sherlock Holmes Five
Minute Mysteries and exploring what Ray just describe. You can
do so via the link in our show notes. There's
always more information there. Ray, thank you so much for
sharing this wonderful story with us here on I hear
(59:20):
of Sherlock everywhere.
Speaker 8 (59:22):
Well, it's a pleasure. I've been listening to your show
for a bunch of years now and to actually be
able to participate is an honor. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 5 (59:45):
You know, you're certainly right about how magnificent a project
this is, and it's amazing after all this time and
the diligence and being able to find these transcripts. Can
you imagine being an author of something and someone calls
you up and says, you know, I want to do
this and you say, oh, it's all lost, and someone says, no,
I've got it. Yeah, but I hope. But you probably
(01:00:07):
don't know that. Years ago, of course, I did a
whole series of fifteen second Sherlock Holms mysteries. I probably
never mentioned that to you know, based on the unpublished cases,
they're fifteen second.
Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Mystery and seconds. Can you lay one on me right now,
any example time?
Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Yeah? Sure, yeah, here's an example, And they're all based
on Sherlockyan dialogue. He's always the one speaking. Here's an example.
Your glasses are on your forehead. Mister Meridio, you have
an abominable memory.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I think we have a candidate for the new canonical
couplets the fifteen second. I don't even the second mysteries. Yeah, ah,
that's great. Well keep it it. Maybe someone will have
a transcript for you in twenty years, I hope. So
I encourage.
Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
You, No, I agree.
Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
I mean what we heard from Ray just now. You
know that often what starts as a personal interest turns
into something that becomes more widely shared or more widely appreciated.
And I think that's that's part of the wonder of
this that you know, you or I or someone like
(01:01:29):
Ray or you know, anybody listening may have this catalog
that they're keeping in the back of my mind. I mean,
look at look at Madeline and her passion for tracking
Sherilockian podcasts. Well that turned into a whole segment for us, right,
And that wasn't her intention when she started. It was
just something that was interesting to her. You saw the
(01:01:53):
presentation in Dayton, and we connected the dots. And that's
why you never know where a past project may take
you or who you're going to surprise while doing it
or what the ultimate outcome may be. And I think
for folks that are interested in short mysteries like this,
which is always fascinating, it's lovely to have just a
(01:02:16):
little quick read, and who might want to pick something
up along the way that's more than just something fun
and entertaining, but they might want to pick up a
moral lesson. As Ray mentioned, you know there's something to
take away from this that can be shared, particularly with
children or others that we care about. And I just
(01:02:36):
think this is a great object for that kind of output. Well,
it's time once again to welcome our pal, Madeline kinyone
is back. Madeline, take it away. It's a chance of
listening with your correspondent, Madeleine Kinyonez.
Speaker 9 (01:02:57):
Hello, everyone, i'min Quinionis and today I'm here to talk
about a nietch little podcast, I Heart Sharlock. Mike Pincinetti
created the show in twenty twenty two and then got
his friend Tom Filetto to join him In iHeart Sharlock.
They primarily discussed pestiche as well as the canon and
(01:03:20):
some adaptations. I will admit I haven't listened to more
than a couple of episodes, but I didn't want spoilers
for the pastiches that were talking about. I could have
listened to the episodes where they talk about cannon stories. Yes,
but look, I know I made a joke last time
about story discussion podcasts. But the truth is that I've
(01:03:42):
listened to several such podcasts and my brain is now
a little bit broken. I can't tell you that they
cover quite a few of the early stories, but I
can't give you any more information than that. This is
nothing against the Hope hosts. I'm just not sure I
(01:04:02):
can hear more opinions even about the final problem. At
this point, A literally just felt by blood pressure go up.
I can tell you that there is one pastiching really disliked,
and the way they go on about it is pretty funny.
They do, if I recall correctly, kind of half apologized
(01:04:22):
to the author I heard Sherlock was on.
Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Hey.
Speaker 9 (01:04:25):
It is for pretty much all of twenty twenty four
and into this year, but in June Mike and Tom
released a comeback episode. As of this recording, that is
their last episode, but I do genuinely hope they come back. That,
by the way, is the episode I'd recommend checking out
first episode twenty four, their most recent episode. I found
that to be a better introduction to Mike and Tom
(01:04:47):
than their first episode, And like I said, I hope
they get back to doing this regularly again. More Sherlockiana
is more and I think this is the perfect podcast
for obsessive pest sh readers. And that's all I've got
for now. I've got one more podcast to dive into,
and then two more shows I'm well acquainted with after that,
(01:05:09):
and then I think that's it. But then the last
time I thought that I'd caught them all, I proved
myself wrong. So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
I'll catch you later.
Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Well, I heart Sherlock. That's nice. It's it's one well,
one letter more and two letters less than I hear
of Sherlock. But we heart Madeline. That's the bottom line here, Yeah,
we sure do. Oh those jaunty strings can mean only
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one thing, and of course that means it's time to
put your brains to work. It's time for the canonical couplet,
the Sherlockian Quiz program, where we give you two lines
of poetry and ask you to apply your little gray
cells to determine which Sherlock Holme story we are talking
about now. If you remember the last time we were
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around here, we gave you this clue. Gregson and Lestrade
made contributions minimal. Within three days, Holmes's hand was on
the criminal boy. Bert, put your little rays ells to work.
Let's see what you have.
Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
Well, it's obvious. It's a terrific story. It's a story
where this American counterfeitter tries to get an eccentric collector
out of his house by telling him that an odd
bedspread designer supposedly is leaving money to his relatives. It's
the story Watson called the Three Garish beds.
Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Ugh, my head, my forehead is starting to get a
flat mark from where I'm banging it against the desk.
I don't know if anyone could hear that. But no, no, no,
I know again, Bert, I'm sorry, I know. Shocking, shocking.
But Eric Decker's to the rescue. He writes, excellente, I've
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solved it.
Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
This is the.
Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Story where Holmes had a torrid love affair with a
married woman in which he kept copious notes and read
as many books on adultery as he could. It's the
story Watson called a study in the Scarlet Letter, except
I think I may be mixing this up with a
(01:07:49):
Nathaniel Hawthorne book. It's more likely to be a study
in Scarlet Why yes, Eric, you have got it. Well,
why don't we turn to the big spinning prize wheel
and bring it on in here and give it a spear,
(01:08:13):
watching it go around, slowing down and landing on number
twenty eight, twenty eight, And that looks like it is,
Patrick Bezini. Congratulations, Patrick, we have a copy of Nicholas
(01:08:35):
Myers's book for you, so congratulations on that. I should
also note Bert that Patrick wrote in with his answer
he said, I also want to let you know how
much I enjoyed this particular episode. As a forensic science professor.
I loved the topic and the discussions about forgeries, having
done a bit of research in the area. I really
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appreciated Bert's comment on Giovanni Morelli and connecting him with
Freud and consequently with Holmes, which reminded me of the
excellent work of Italian historian Carlo Ginsburg, whom I have
had the pleasure of including in a few of my
writings and lectures. Loved it. Keep shining Patrick.
Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
Oh, how interesting, boy, I've read it. It is lovely. Well,
thank you, thank you Patrick. The you know Ginsburg was
it was an Italian historian, and I've read you know,
some of his work, which is really I seem to remember,
(01:09:41):
you know, one about about you know, mythology and ancient superstition,
something that was really fascinating. How interesting, Yeah, well done.
Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Well, we do have another prize available for this canonical couplet.
It is, as we mentioned at the top the show,
a copy of Ray Reithmeyer and kel Richard's book Sherlock
Holmes Five Minute Mysteries. So get your pencils ready and
get your thinking cabs on.
Speaker 5 (01:10:11):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Followed back to Baker Street, Holmes endured a rare defeat.
If you know the answer to this episode's canonical couplet,
put it in an email addressed to comment that I
hear of Sherlock dot com with canonical couplet in the
subject line. If your name is selected at random from
all the correct answers, you'll win the good luck. Oh boy, Bert,
(01:10:40):
I think this episode went on longer than five minutes.
Speaker 5 (01:10:44):
You think so?
Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Ah, like a little bit, a little bit, no worries
though we'll be back for you know, threatening people with
another long five minutes in about fifteen days should be good.
If you set your calendar by that.
Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I'll put it on my calendar.
Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
We have to get one of those talking calendars for you.
Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
Oh well, yeah, I don't know what to say about that.
I wouldn't. My problem with the talking calendar is you
can't really have much of a conversation. But the answer
isn't going to be Tuesday or Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
You know, we got you got at least five other
days to choose from. But I would disagree with that
assumption overall, because I have a talking calendar at home.
The talking calendar constantly says, Scott, come on, get ready.
Don't you know we have to leave for something in
five minutes. It's my wife always keeping me on task.
(01:11:49):
I don't know where we'd be without people like that
in our lives.
Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
No, no, no place.
Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
We'd be falling behind as we are with this episode. Well, folks,
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Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
And I'm the guy with the easy to fill out coupon.
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Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
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Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
Oh it's a big improvement over the sliced ham I
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Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Ham. How appropriate? And until next time around these parts
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I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere. Episode three hundred eighteen Sherlock
Holmes Five Minute Mysteries.
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In a world where it's always eighteen ninety five, It's.
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A podcast for devotees of mister Sherlock Holmes, the world's
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The Game's afoot as we interview authors, editors, creators, and
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Speaker 8 (02:14):
As we go to press, sensational developments have been reported.
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So join your hosts, Scott Monty and Bert Wolder as
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This is I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere now Here. Are
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I'm Scott Monty, I'm Burt Walder. The mystery is Bert,
Who will you be in five minutes?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Nobody ever heard of me?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I go to the checkout check in desk. I say,
I'm here. You know, I'm checking in. They say, who what? Who? What? Huh? Bert?
Speaker 6 (03:13):
Who?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Mystery?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I hose what.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
When? What? Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
That's like you probably remember the mel Brooks remake of
the Jack Benny film.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
To Be or Not to Be Right?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah it was Arthur. Was it Arthur Bronsky? Frederick Bronsky?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
World famous in Poland. So there you go.
Speaker 8 (03:42):
We are.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I hose we're world famous on the internet.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
On the Internet.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I don't know what that gets us. Well, anyway, I've
got a great show lined up for you Today. We're
going to be talking to longtime listener and somebody we've
been a fan of for a while, Ray Reefmeyer, fantastic
editor and author in his own right. We'll be talking
about a fascinating book that basically Ray rescued from the
(04:12):
dust bin of history. How he got there and how
he managed to discover it and resurrect it, well, that
is the story that he's going to tell us today.
We also, of course, have events that you should know
of in the learned societies that'll be coming up shortly
after the interview. You'll want to stick around because Madeline
(04:33):
Kenonez is back for one of her Chance of Listening reviews,
where she looks at a certain Sherlockian podcast in each
episode here and gives us a down low on exactly
what it's all about. And after that is the canonical
couplet quiz, where if you are lucky enough to guess
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you a free copy of Ray reith Meyer's book. Of course,
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and the Real Thing that's the prize from the last episode,
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of a couple of weeks of the sherlockan Calendar. Here, Bert,
we had an interesting item drop into our inbox today.
How timely and do you remember what that is by
any chance?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, of course I do. The inbox is one of
the things that's in email, you know, if you go
in to oh oh, oh, wait a minute, that's not
your question. Yes, I do remember. It was a note
from our pal Ed Pettitt at the Rosenbach in Philadelphia,
to tell us that the terrific series that he runs,
(07:40):
Sherlock Monthly, is back. And if you're listening to this
on the same day that this show goes live, you've
only missed the first the first appearance of it, because
that happened on the twenty seventh of September.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
No, no, no, no, no, you're getting your dates mixed up. Bert,
we're recording on the day we're we're leasing the show.
This is the fifteenth. Wait a minute, hold, this is
September fifteenth.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Wait a minute, hold on, let me look around. I
know wait wait, just hold on. You're right, this is
the fifteenth.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oh your calendar didn't follow you on the road today.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Wait a minute. How come I wasn't told?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Oh I don't know. It's because your calendar is silent.
You see.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Oh that's true. Yeah. I never said a told series
to shadow. These systems don't look like that. Yes, you're well,
of course, you're absolutely right. Once again I'm wrong. But
on the twenty seventh, So friends, it's just twelve days
away for the start the restart of Sherlock Mondays.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
We're looking forward to that. We'll have a link to
Sherlock Mondays in the show notes as well as link
to the Sherlock in calendar where we are going to
delve in now on November one, if you happen to
be five miles from anywhere, and I think that would
include everyone listening, Derek Blander is running a virtual meeting
(09:10):
of the five Miles from Anywhere group. You can find
them on Facebook. That's on November first.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
And on November two. The crew of the bark Lone
Star is having another one of their regular virtual meetings.
Steve Mason is the contact for that.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Fantastic and my original Sie on the Men on the
Tour from Connecticut is having a dinner meeting on November
second in Derby, Connecticut. Or I suppose if you're from England, Darby,
Connecticut and you can contact Greg Derek.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Yes, and the fifth of November. That is, of course
Guy Fawkes Day. Remember remember the fifth of November. You
can remember that on ash Wednesday in New York City
and your contact is Shanna Carter.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
If you would like to participate in a virtual meeting
of the Transfixed Correspondence of Phoenix, you can also do
that on November fifth. Laurence or soon zircone? Am I
saying that correctly? Lawrence orconeon?
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I think it's it's Leyron, isn't it. Oh? Oh you
mean the last name.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Laurence.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I hope so well, Lauren correct us if we're wrong.
But either way, folks can show up and learn for
themselves on November fifth.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Yes, and I'd love to show up well. I can
actually at the virtual meeting of the Shaka Sherlockians of
Hawaii and Doctor Joe Page is your contact there or
their website is Shaka Sherlockian dot com, s A h
a Ka Sherlockian dot com.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Shock a Shaka Shaka Sherlockian.
Speaker 9 (10:58):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
If you have to be in Saint Louis, Missouri, on
November eighth, again that's a Saturday, the Parallel Case of
Saint Louis is having a meeting. Find out more of that.
More about that from Rob Nunn and on the Parallel
Cases website.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
And on the eighth of November as well, the Cespudleyans
of London, Ontario are having their virtual meeting and you
can find well. You can find out the contact at
Cesespudleyans dot Weebley dot com.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And if you are in New York and you didn't
get your fill of ASH on the fifth of November,
you can follow up with even more ASH. On November eighth,
the Adventuresses of Sherlock Holmes hosting their Fall luncheon. Have
you heard zog as the contact. You can find out
more about the Adventuresses at ash dash NYC dot com.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
And still on November eighth, Northfield, Illinois, the Scotland Yarders
are having their holiday luncheon. Janis Wiener is the contact
for that.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I think that is that Jane's Wiener of Winer. I'm
pretty sure it's Winer Winer.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I don't want to I don't want to get in trouble.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Sure it's not not Janis.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Denise, Jennie's went up. Stop it, jana Is Winer.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Please, you're just trying to be thorough.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I want to be kind of the people in Chicago.
There are so many great Sherlockians there. I am actually
on my way to the Chicago Land area on September
twenty seventh myself. So yeah, the tourists internationals.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Right, you're a speaker there, yes.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And I still have to figure out what I'm talking about,
which I have to do that now. For this episode,
November ninth, Keene, New Hampshire, the Monettnock Sherlockians are meeting.
Our friend Anna Barons is running that one.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
And on the ninth of November the tea Brokers of
Mincing Lane are having one of their virtual meetings. Karen
Ellery is the person who knows all about that.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, they don't mince words either. Locally here in Michigan
and Royal Oak, the Ribston Pippins are holding their thirty
seventh anniversary dinner. Regina Stinson is the contact there. You
can find out more at Ribstondashpippins dot com.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Hmm, and that lists as a silver Blaze and thirty
seventh anniversary dinner.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
How about that, Well, it's not a silver blaze. I
think we're just celebrating silver blaze.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Ah, got it. And a lot more going on. On
the fifteenth, the Norwegian Explorers have their Virtual Study Group meeting.
Tom Gottwalt can tell you.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
More, and the Nashville Scholars of the Three Pipe Problem
having a lunch meeting in Nashville. Jeff Steward there Nashville
Scholars dot com.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
And then finally on the fifteenth, a really magnificent event,
the seventy fifth anniversary of the Red Circle in Bethesda,
Maryland is having their seventy fifth anniversary special event. And
it is indeed a special event because they will be
screening three of the restored stole films featuring Island Norwood,
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Island Norwood?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Who Stole them?
Speaker 8 (14:29):
Though?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
That's the question that have not been seen in the
United States for many, many decades, And Peter Blough can
tell you more, and You can also look at their
website Red Circle dot Red Circle DC dot org.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Boy, I hope they've been able to add voices to
that version of Sherlock Holmes at this point.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
It actually recalls the time we were in Chautauqua when
we saw a few Island Norwood films screened there. Our
late great friend Russell Merritt was there to introduce them.
He was a silent film expert, and we had live
piano accompaniment to act as an underscore for the films.
(15:15):
It was really something fantastic, and I think if you
go to our show notes a few of the archives
you can find episode one oh four Sherlockeans at Chautauqua.
We'll have a link to that in the show notes
as well.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
M Yeah, and I think that they're also going to
have live music for that as well.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yes, I don't know if it's the same accompanist or not.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
It's live, live musical accompaniment by Ben Modell, not.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
The same guy.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Folks, if you have an event you would like to
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Ray Reithmeier is a nitpicker for fun and profit. He's
worked for the last thirty years as an attorney editor
for Thompson Reuters, but he also edits new and classic
pulp fiction for a variety of publishers. Ray has contributed
to several Sherlock Holmes titles for the BSI Press, and
he serves as co editor of the Christmas annual newsletter
(16:56):
for the Norwegian Explorers of Minnesota, his local sciences. Ray's
most recent project for Bilander Books was The Consultations of
Sherlock Holmes, in which the mysteries emphasized the great Detective's
role as a consultant rather than being a primary investigator,
and his newest book is Sherlock Holmes five minute Mysteries
(17:20):
written by kel Richards and edited by Ray Reithmeyer. Ray
received his investiture Morrison, Morrison and Dodd in The Baker
Street Irregulars in twenty twenty one. Ray Reithmeyer, Welcome to
I hear of Sherlock everywhere.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Well, thank you very much for having me on the program.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
It is so nice to be with you here.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I know we've seen you around the Sherlock In parts
for quite a while, so it's going to be fun
to have this conversation before we jump into the topic
at hand. Why don't we get down to the basics
with you. How did you first come across Sherlock Holms.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
Well, to be honest, I think most of us would say,
I don't really know. I think he's just always been there.
But beyond the ubiquitous presence of Sherlock Holmes in our culture,
I think the first time I really stood up and
took notice of the canonical Sherlock Holmes as written by
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Conan Doyle was with the publication of the Cases of
Sherlock Holmes comic book series by Renegade Press back in
the mid eighties. And that was a great publication because
it was the actual stories written by Conan Doyle and
(18:47):
copiously illustrated by artists Dan Day. So it's just it
would have the text on the page and he would
lay it out in interesting ways, with parts of the
text over in one section, in parts of the text
over another section, and fill the page with his with
his great black and white illustrations. And as a comic
(19:08):
book reader, the first issue jumped out at me because
I had a lovely painted cover by by Dan Day
and his brother David Day, and I picked that up
and thought, well, I like Sherlock Holmes. Everyone liked Sherlock Holmes.
I'm going to give this a try. And when I
took it home and read it, there was just no
going back, like this is great. Where has this been
all my life? And that was that was where it started.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
That's fantastic. I remember those those comic books and the
covers were just so well done, you know, those full
color illustrations. Obviously they were influenced heavily by Basil Rathbone
and Nigel Bruce, but the beauty there was you were
actually getting the full canonical treatment. Like you say, you're
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reading the whole story. It's not a bridge like some
comic books are you're actually immersed in the whole canon,
well in the number of stories that they did for
the canon.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
So yeah, I think did about a third of the
of the stories.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, just by coincidence. Have you had a chance to
speak with Joanna Draper Carlson by any chance?
Speaker 8 (20:22):
I have, and I know her interest in the comic
book world of Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 8 (20:33):
No, we haven't had a lot of in depth discussion.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Well, I just I mentioned that because we had her
on the show on episode two thirty nine, and there's
so much in terms of Sherlock Holmes in comic books
and strips and whatnot that it's a topic that we
could go on for a long time on. But that's
not why we're here. So talk to us about how
(20:59):
you're first discovered this side association, as this branch of
people we know as Sherlockians that get together on a
regular basis. How did you move from the Renegade comics
to the Cannon to Sherlockians.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Well, the comics made me a fan and I started
reading I was I decided I had to read ahead,
you know, I couldn't wait for the next issue to come.
So I was able to find a copy of the
two volume double Day set on my parents' bookshelf, so
(21:38):
I dove into that. But the question was how I
got into the community, right, yeah, yeah, So I thought
I was just pretty much alone. I didn't realize there
was a larger Schlocian community except for the Rougheren to
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that near mythological group. The Baker Street are regulars, and well,
that's just unattainable to a teenager. Maybe not, but that's
how it felt at the time. But in my part
of the world, I grew up in Rochester, New York,
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and we did not have an active sherlacking group there
at the time. I understand there is one there now.
I think it's called Rochester Row. And it wasn't until
I was in my twenties and working for my current
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employer and they decided that they wanted to change how
their operations were being done and they shifted my function
to an office in Minnesota. So I had they offered
to move to Minnesota. I investigated and thought, yeah, I
will do that, So I made the move and one
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of the first people I encountered out there was John Berquist,
who worked for my employer in Minnesota, and he somewhere
along the line, we in our conversations came up that
we shared the interest in Sherlock Holmes, and he said
I should really go to the the to the Norwiching
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Sporers meeting, and so I did. Although now that I'm
saying this, I think I may have it backwards. I
think it may well be that I went to a
meeting first and met John there, and then we discovered
that we both worked for the same company.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Inted you to a company event, and then you invited.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Yeah, so it may have gone the other way. I'm
not at this point. It's hard. It's hard to say
with certainty where I met John, whether it was at
Thompson Writers and then we find out that we shared
our Sherlock Holmes interest, or if it was at the
Norwegian Explorers where we found out, hey, our paychecks are
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cut by the same people.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
So what was the point where you finally, how did
you get enough head of a head of steam around
your interest in Sherlock Holmes to begin, you know, thinking
about him as a character.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
I'm not sure I understand the questioner.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Well, it's okay, Burt doesn't understand it either, So.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Yeah, I mean, well, you know, you've you know, you've
been in collaboration with other writers and you know, actually
doing things with pastiches and collections and things like that,
anthologies of stories.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Okay, all right, I got the gist of that now,
thank you. It took me while before I realized that
I wanted to contribute to the Sherlockian world as opposed
to just enjoying it, you know, to actually actually contribute
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something new didn't come to mind for quite a while,
and in fact, I mentioned my employer. I work as
an attorney editor for Thomson Reuters, which is a very
dull sort of thing to describe. I edit law books
for a living, but I find it fascinating. It's exactly
the kind of work I want to be doing. But
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I enjoy editing, and it it strikes me as kind
of befuddling that it never crossed my mind that I
could apply my editing skills into something more interesting like
Sherlock Holmes. And it really wasn't until I started becoming
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more active in the Norwegian Explorers that my vocation and
avocation intersected, because I started contributing articles to both the
Explorations newsletter and to the Christmas Annual, and it didn't
take long before the people who were working on those
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anytime there's somebody who's expressing an interest, people want to
tap into that. And so I was asked to come
on board and help edit both of those products. And
I've been doing that for well, I don't know, twelve
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thirteen years now, and that was a great way to
start recognizing that I can be an editor in the
Schrilakian world. And really the first time I did something
substantial with that was for one of the Triennial conferences
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when we did the theme of the Misadventures of Sherrock
Holmes and we had a conference meeting for that like
two months before the conference was going to happen, and
we'd had the I think I think it was Juliy
mccurriss suggested, wouldn't have been a neat idea if we
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could have put together a book of all the stories
that eury Queen mentioned in his original Misadventures but didn't
include in the book. Too bad we didn't do that
and at that point, at that point Phil Bergham on
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the conference committee with me, he and I both leapt
forward and said we can do that, and everyone else
on the committee said that's impossible. You can't make that
happen in the six to eight weeks we have left
before the conference actually happens. But Phil and I dug
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in and made that happen. That was the first time
I ever got my name on the cover of a
Shaw Holmes book, and it was kind of an eye
opening experience for me to actually see, look what I
can do with the talents that I have at my command.
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And after that, it was just a matter of time
before I had the opportunity to work with the folks
at Bilandra Books. They actually reached out to me at
one point and said, we have some projects that we
want to publish there in need of an editor. And
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so we talked about what projects they had in line,
and I started working with them. And so it's been
a delight for me to be able to contribute to
Sherlockiana in this way.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
That's marvelous. I love it when a good story like
that comes together. So I recall from my childhood a
one particular book, but it was part of a series
of books by Donald J. Soble called two Minute Mysteries.
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And as I look back on archive dot org and
I'll have a link to this. In the show notes,
I found that the original nineteen sixty seven two Minute
Mysteries shows that the top half of a stopwatch and
the two minutes between twelve and two minutes past twelve,
and there's a snidly whiplash character kind of peeking out
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from one side of the bezel and then crawling up
the other side of the clock on his hands and
knees is Sherlock Holmes. I don't think any of these
stories involved Sherlock Holmes, but I do remember reading them,
probably in the fourth or fifth grade or so, and
just being fascinated by knowing that there were all of
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the facts I needed to solve the case in those
couple of pages, and I could set myself to it,
just like the Inspector and the stories. I was fascinated.
This is my pre Sherlock Holmes time. Well, now we
have Sherlock Holmes five Minute Mysteries, and I'm interested in
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hearing your journey that connects your Sherlock in interest with
what you managed to discover and document over the course
of the years. Because there's a there's a third party
involved here under the name of kel Richards, so tell
us how this all fits together?
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Ray all right, I will do that. The book Shlock
Holmes Five Minute Mysteries was written by kel Richards. I
had the great pleasure of being able to serve as
the editor of this book, largely because this book could
not have existed but for my intervention. And the way
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it all started was back in the nineteen nineties. I
was trying to fill up my Sherlockian library with all
sorts of fun books. And I do have a particular
interest in pastiches, and I enjoy what I think are
good ones. But everyone has their own particular taste when
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it comes to Serlockean pastiches, and what I think is great,
other people would probably think is garbage, and vice versa.
But there was a short series of books that were
published in the mid nineties written by Kel Richards that
was called the Sherlock Holmes's Tales of Terror for the
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younger market. They were clearly designed to appeal to the
folks who enjoyed the R. L. Stein Goosebumps books. So
the notion was that here's here's some books that might
be a little more palatable for parents to have their
kids reading if they're uncertain about what the contents of
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these scary Goosebumps books might be. I'm not sure there
was any real problem with the Goosebumps books, but kel
Richards wrote these, these three these three books shrock Holmes's
tales of terror, and they were designed to appeal to
the same audience. So it was things like The Headless Monk,
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the Vampire Serpent, and they were brisk reads, not very long.
But what I found fascinating about them is that in
the stories, Sherlock Holmes and doctor Watson expressed their Christian faith,
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which is not something that we're accustomed to seeing in
the Cannon, but it didn't really take me out of
the story. It felt rather natural to me to recognize
that these were Victorian gentlemen of the time. In all likelihood,
they they were church going gentlemen who had a faith
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that they kept close to the vest It was not
something they needed to share widely in every circumstance, but
it was there. And so when I read these stories
that cal Richards wrote that it felt okay to me.
I know that maybe off putting to some Sharlockean readers
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that go, what Sharlock Holmes a Christian? Well, take it
or leave it. I liked it, and at some point
I started doing some internet searches. I mean it was
still the mid nineties, and I remember enjoying using the
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computer lab on my college campus. I graduated law school
in ninety six, which was about the time these books
were being published. And I don't know when I did
my first web search for kel Richards, but I was
just looking to see if there was anything more by
or about him that I could find, and somewhere on
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the line. Over the years, I would keep looking, and
the history here suggests to me that it was probably
around two thousand and two that I stumbled across a
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web page in US Australia for a radio station in
Australia that was keeping transcripts of their programming. Not nothing
done with technology, but currently done by somebody writing really fast,
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you know, keying on a computer while the radio broadcasts
were being aired. Somebody was transcribing everything that was being said,
and so they had records of their programming. And kel
Richards was one of their presenters, and hey had a
regular program and once a week on his program he
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would do a Friday five minute mystery and some of them,
not all of them, but some of these five minute
mysteries starred Sherlock Holmes, and I thought this is great.
I finally found some more Showock home stories written by
kel Richards, and I used my rudimentary computer skills at
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the time and grabbed copies of these transcripts and started
creating a word document. I would just keep pacing them
in every time I would go go back to that
radio station's transcriptions page. I checked each Friday to see
was there a Sharlock Holmes story this week, and if
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there was, I would copy it and add it to
my word document, which I thought was great. I was
building a nice little document of these stories that otherwise
I wouldn't be able to read. And that went on
for probably a year or more.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
And.
Speaker 8 (36:51):
I found myself ultimately with the collection of fifty five
minute mysteries which starred Sharock Holmes written by Cal Richards.
And ultimately the radio station's website stopped updating, and so
I don't know if he kept writing them or if
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they just stopped updating, but I got fifty stories out
of it, and ultimately the radio station's website disappeared altogether,
and so then all I had left to prove that
these stories existed was this word document that I had
printed out and had in a little plastic sleeve for
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my safekeeping, and I would occasionally go back to them
and reread them and enjoy them. And at some point
my son became old enough that I realized I could
share these with him because he was the right age
for reading bedtime stories. And these five minute mysteries all had,
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all had good moral lessons in the end. That was
part of the appeal of these stories to me was
that they were They tell of a crime Holmes is
called in to investigate. You get to that point where
it's Holmes says to you know, the inspector arrests this man.
And that's the question is how does Holmes know You know,
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you've seen all the clues, turn the page and find
what the answer is. And you know, as you said, Scott,
that whole notion of trying to figure it out for yourself,
acting as the inspector yourself, it's it's it's quite fun.
And but the twist on these is that more than
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just the recognition that Holmes and Watson may have been Christian,
which cal Richards had supplied in his Tales of terror
in these five minute mysteries. The solutions allow Watson to
elaborate on a moral lesson that can be from this
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crime and the solution that Holmes was able to provide.
And so I thought that was a great thing that
I could do with my son when he was like
eight or nine. We would read through the stories together,
we'd see if he could come up with the answer,
and then when it was done, it turned into an
opportunity for a little kind of Christian devotional and I
thought that was a wonderful way to spend an evening
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with my son. And that to me, I thought, that's
all it's going to be. But probably about let's see,
about six or seven years ago, after I had been
working with a variety of different publishers with Shack Holmes
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Books and also doing some work for some pulp fiction publishers,
I just kind of had the idea, well, it's a
shame that I only have this document as a print
out of what I've created in a word document. It
would be nice if I could just maybe turn it
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into a book that I would just get, you know,
specially printed for myself. So I actually took some time
and started formatting it with the idea that you know,
it's nothing else going to be offered for sale, but
I would just like to have a copy for myself.
I didn't get very far with it because other parts
(40:28):
of life interfered, but it kind of planted the seed
that I would like to see this book exist. And boy,
what was it? Two or three years ago? The Blander
people Blander Books, Derek and Brian reached out to me
to say they'd like me to contribute to one of
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their nonfiction books. It was called Reading Homes, and they
wanted me to write something about homes pastiches and what
draws me to reading holmes pastiches. And so I wrote
an article and I happened to mention the tales of
terror stories that Kel Richards had written, and in passing,
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I said he'd also written these fifty other five minute
mysteries that have never been collected. And I just kind
of hoped that maybe the Blanders would see that and think, well,
what can we do about that? And yeah, last year
we got to talking at the BSI Weekend in New
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York and they asked me about that, and I said,
I've got the stories, we just need to find the author.
We certainly can't publish these things without the author on board,
and so then I had to I had to find him,
and that was a challenge in itself. Again, it was
like two decades after I did my last batch of
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internet searches for kel Richards. It's like I'm doing it again.
Time I found him and was able to reach out
to him, and well, I at this point, I guess
I feel I've babbled quite a bit. Is there anything
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particularly want me to elaborate on.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
Well, I'm curious, you know, I'm curious. You've got you've
got these fifty five minute mysteries, and you've clearly spent
a lot of time with them, thought about them, found
the transcriptions, use them with your son. What's your favorite
and can and or favorites? And would you pick one
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and just explain to our listeners, you know, as an
example sort of how it works and what's going on
all right.
Speaker 8 (42:47):
I'm not sure if I have a favorite. But what
I really liked about these stories is that kel Richards
clearly knows the cannon, and many of the stories are
his attempt to tell the untold stories that Watson mentioned
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in Passing, and so one of the fun ones in
here is to realize that maybe some of those stories
that we didn't know about until now is because they
really weren't full short stories like the ones that Watson
was publishing in The Strand it was. It may well
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be that they were a different kind of story, a
shorter story, a quick five minute mystery perhaps, and he
just didn't have the market for them at the time.
And so when he mentioned the disappearance of James Phillimore,
maybe he didn't write a full story for The Strand
because it wasn't substantial enough for that, but it was
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perfect for a five minute mystery. And that is one
of the stories in here. We get to find out,
you know, what happened when he stepped into his home
for his umbrella and was never again.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (44:01):
The clues are all there, as cal Richards plants them,
Holmes is able to figure it out, and then we
get the the the resolution and a nice moral about it.
So I I like that kind of thing. There's there's
an awful lot.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
Of well staying staying with that one. What were what
were starting the clues? And what's the moral?
Speaker 8 (44:23):
Ah? Boy, let me think. Okay, I've got the book
in front of me. Thank you nine. Okay, well, I
don't want to give it away, but the the the
the story is laid out with the same kind of
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notion that we we know that this this man, you know,
step back into his home because you know, it looks
like it's going to be raining. He steps back in
his home. He's never seen again. The I believe it
was the butler reports that, well know, you know you
he's not here, and so nobody has any clue what happened,
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just that we know he came out of his home,
decided to go back in, and and the I believe
it was I believe it was Holmes's rival Barker, that
was was originally on the trail of this man. And
and so that's that's another bit of trulockey and trivia.
(45:28):
But the way that Holmes investigated to say, well, how
can it be that this man steps into this home,
He investigates the there's no possibility of hidden rooms, hidden passages,
other escape routes, and all he has to go on
is the testimony of the butler. And well that turned
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out to be the key. Something about the butler proved
to be the proved to be the solution. And this
story actually has as the has the moral of the mystery.
It's an old maximum of mind that when you've eliminated
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the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
And cal Richard's plays on that idea that well, there's
there's you know, it's impossible for him to have gone
out at different door, it's impossible for him to have
hidden in a in a hidden passage, so it might
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be improbable. But this is the only thing left. He's
eliminated all the other things, and that's what we come to.
And so that's that's the story in a nutshell without
giving it away, I hope, hm.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Well, I don't know if it was in this story.
But you know, in any story, any detective story, when
you show up and and find a butler whose last
name is did it, everyone knows the butler did it?
No sorry, uh ray. When when you think to the
original Sherlock Holmes stories, because a lot of these, as
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you mentioned, are ripped from the headlines.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
These are the.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
The unscripted, the unwritten cases that Watson has mentioned or
or have has put in his tin dispatch box. But
when when you think about the ones that were actually published,
what what moral lessons did Conan Doyle leave us with
that kind of provided a trail for where Kel went.
Speaker 8 (47:44):
That's a that's an interesting question. I think perhaps the
the well the first answer that comes to mind for
me is the the dichotomy that that Doyle painted in
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the character of Sherrock Holmes with between law and justice.
And for Sherrock Holmes there was a higher justice than
a strict adherence to the law, which is why we
so saw so often that he would perhaps you know,
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let somebody escape punishment because they have had enough already,
or he would compound a felony in certain cases because
he thought there was a higher justice at play. And
I think that may well be the idea that may
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have percolated in Kel Richard's mind, that there is a
higher justice. And I think that the connection there is
to the Christian faith, I think is not that far
of a leap. If there's human law that isn't quite
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it doesn't feel just to us what higher court is
there to which we can appeal? And I think for
those of us who share the Christian faith, it's a
great comfort to know that there is that the highest
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court of appeal really belongs to God and I think
that's probably the sort of thing that cal Richards wanted
to impute into the character of Holmes, is that seeing
that he doesn't necessarily hold fast to human law, because
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there's a higher justice, it would be nice to think
that perhaps he's perhaps he finds the direction his for
his application of justice to come from godly law.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
Yeah.
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do you know if Kel is still actively writing?
Speaker 8 (52:03):
Kelly is actively writing. In fact, the place that I
found him when I did my most recent Internet search
was on a website called oz words o zwrds because
he is Australian and he has a regular a regular
(52:27):
blog in which he shares his perspective on words and
terminology that are coming up in the news, and he
will share what these words mean, where they came from.
He's quite a master of sharing those kind of interesting
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tidbits about the origins of words, where they came from,
how long they've been part of the English language anyway.
So he does this blog called oz words, and I
was able to reach out to him using the contact
Kel button on his web page, and I told him
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I've been working with Bilander Books and I've mentioned these
five minute mystery stories to them and they were they're
eager to turn them into a book. And so I
sent off that message to him, hopeful that i'd get
a response, and about two or three days later, I
did get an email from him, in which he very
(53:33):
apologetically and almost dismissively, said, well, there's nothing we can
do about that, because those stories are lost. I was
like several computers ago. And he said, I know I
should be more careful with my writing, but you know
they're gone now. Clearly he hadn't read my contact Kel
message very clearly. But I immediately wrote back to him
(53:57):
and said, no, no, no, no, you misunderstand. I have
these transcripts from twenty years ago, and we're interested in
doing something with them. I shared my word document with him.
I attached it in my email to him and said,
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you're going to see these are just transcripts that came
off of your radio broadcast. So you wrote the stories
and those are lost, but when you read them on
the air, somebody did a transcript and the transcripts were
pretty wonky. In places, the horrible punctuation, lots of homonyms
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that were transphonsed instead of the right words. So that's
what happens when people are transcribing quickly, you get the
wrong words. And so paragraph breaks were pretty much nonexistent.
But as I said a few years back, I had
thought maybe I could do something this, and I had
gotten a start into formatting these things and fixing the
(55:05):
errors that clearly had been introduced by the transcription, and
so i've yeah, so I worked on that. I mean,
that was going to be my role in this, is
getting these scripts, these transcripts, into a publishable shape. And
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so I did that part of it, and kel Richards
tweaked some of some of the writing. With twenty years hindsight,
he saw some things that he wanted to modify, and
so over the course of a few months, we got
these fifty stories into a publishable shape and delivered them
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to Blanders. And now this this mere dream that I
had had, you know, this notion that wouldn't it be
neat if these could be collected into a book. Now
they actually are. It's one of my one of my
projects that brings me the greatest pleasure because it's been
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so long in the gestation, from originally having been written
by kel Richards back in two thousand and two, two
thousand and three and now finally appearing as a book
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
That's marvelous. I you know, when when all I want
to say, when a plan comes together, but it's more
than a plan. I mean, it's it's a passion that
you had. It was driving and they didn't really have
a home for so long, and all of these strands
just came together by you know, your your association, your
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continued studiousness in the Sherlockian world, and and here we
are today and we all are the better for it
for having this book you put out. So I'm so please.
I if this was a video show, you would have
been able to see my smile beaming from ear to
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ear as you as you just talked about being able
to bring this dream to life. And I think that's
just a marvelous example for others.
Speaker 8 (57:15):
Well, thank you, and I agree. I think it's just
it's a good a good illustration of the of that
maxim from that was used in the in the James
Fillmore story. You know, when you've eliminated the impossible. Whatever remains,
however improbable, must be the truth. And I think this
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the chain of events that brought us to the publication
of this book seems so improbable it verges on the impossible,
but clearly it happened. And I kind of do suspect
that there was a higher power involved in connecting the dots,
(58:00):
you know, all these strange, disparate coincidences over the course
of two decades. I think we were meant to get
these stories into print at this time. I don't know why,
but I think there's probably at least one reader out
there who needs this book. You this opportunity is to
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think about the presence of God in their lives, and
if it can draw just one person a little closer
to God, I'm going to be very pleased and satisfied
that we've accomplished something meaningful. And so my answer to
the classic maximum, when you've eliminated the impossible, I think,
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eliminate the impossible. With God, all things are possible, and
I think this book is a small example. Is that.
Speaker 5 (58:58):
Excellent?
Speaker 3 (58:59):
Well, if you are interested in reading Sherlock Holmes Five
Minute Mysteries and exploring what Ray just describe. You can
do so via the link in our show notes. There's
always more information there. Ray, thank you so much for
sharing this wonderful story with us here on I hear
(59:20):
of Sherlock everywhere.
Speaker 8 (59:22):
Well, it's a pleasure. I've been listening to your show
for a bunch of years now and to actually be
able to participate is an honor. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 5 (59:45):
You know, you're certainly right about how magnificent a project
this is, and it's amazing after all this time and
the diligence and being able to find these transcripts. Can
you imagine being an author of something and someone calls
you up and says, you know, I want to do
this and you say, oh, it's all lost, and someone says, no,
I've got it. Yeah, but I hope. But you probably
(01:00:07):
don't know that. Years ago, of course, I did a
whole series of fifteen second Sherlock Holms mysteries. I probably
never mentioned that to you know, based on the unpublished cases,
they're fifteen second.
Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Mystery and seconds. Can you lay one on me right now,
any example time?
Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Yeah? Sure, yeah, here's an example, And they're all based
on Sherlockyan dialogue. He's always the one speaking. Here's an example.
Your glasses are on your forehead. Mister Meridio, you have
an abominable memory.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I think we have a candidate for the new canonical
couplets the fifteen second. I don't even the second mysteries. Yeah, ah,
that's great. Well keep it it. Maybe someone will have
a transcript for you in twenty years, I hope. So
I encourage.
Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
You, No, I agree.
Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
I mean what we heard from Ray just now. You
know that often what starts as a personal interest turns
into something that becomes more widely shared or more widely appreciated.
And I think that's that's part of the wonder of
this that you know, you or I or someone like
(01:01:29):
Ray or you know, anybody listening may have this catalog
that they're keeping in the back of my mind. I mean,
look at look at Madeline and her passion for tracking
Sherilockian podcasts. Well that turned into a whole segment for us, right,
And that wasn't her intention when she started. It was
just something that was interesting to her. You saw the
(01:01:53):
presentation in Dayton, and we connected the dots. And that's
why you never know where a past project may take
you or who you're going to surprise while doing it
or what the ultimate outcome may be. And I think
for folks that are interested in short mysteries like this,
which is always fascinating, it's lovely to have just a
(01:02:16):
little quick read, and who might want to pick something
up along the way that's more than just something fun
and entertaining, but they might want to pick up a
moral lesson. As Ray mentioned, you know there's something to
take away from this that can be shared, particularly with
children or others that we care about. And I just
(01:02:36):
think this is a great object for that kind of output. Well,
it's time once again to welcome our pal, Madeline kinyone
is back. Madeline, take it away. It's a chance of
listening with your correspondent, Madeleine Kinyonez.
Speaker 9 (01:02:57):
Hello, everyone, i'min Quinionis and today I'm here to talk
about a nietch little podcast, I Heart Sharlock. Mike Pincinetti
created the show in twenty twenty two and then got
his friend Tom Filetto to join him In iHeart Sharlock.
They primarily discussed pestiche as well as the canon and
(01:03:20):
some adaptations. I will admit I haven't listened to more
than a couple of episodes, but I didn't want spoilers
for the pastiches that were talking about. I could have
listened to the episodes where they talk about cannon stories. Yes,
but look, I know I made a joke last time
about story discussion podcasts. But the truth is that I've
(01:03:42):
listened to several such podcasts and my brain is now
a little bit broken. I can't tell you that they
cover quite a few of the early stories, but I
can't give you any more information than that. This is
nothing against the Hope hosts. I'm just not sure I
(01:04:02):
can hear more opinions even about the final problem. At
this point, A literally just felt by blood pressure go up.
I can tell you that there is one pastiching really disliked,
and the way they go on about it is pretty funny.
They do, if I recall correctly, kind of half apologized
(01:04:22):
to the author I heard Sherlock was on.
Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Hey.
Speaker 9 (01:04:25):
It is for pretty much all of twenty twenty four
and into this year, but in June Mike and Tom
released a comeback episode. As of this recording, that is
their last episode, but I do genuinely hope they come back. That,
by the way, is the episode I'd recommend checking out
first episode twenty four, their most recent episode. I found
that to be a better introduction to Mike and Tom
(01:04:47):
than their first episode, And like I said, I hope
they get back to doing this regularly again. More Sherlockiana
is more and I think this is the perfect podcast
for obsessive pest sh readers. And that's all I've got
for now. I've got one more podcast to dive into,
and then two more shows I'm well acquainted with after that,
(01:05:09):
and then I think that's it. But then the last
time I thought that I'd caught them all, I proved
myself wrong. So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
I'll catch you later.
Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Well, I heart Sherlock. That's nice. It's it's one well,
one letter more and two letters less than I hear
of Sherlock. But we heart Madeline. That's the bottom line here, Yeah,
we sure do. Oh those jaunty strings can mean only
(01:05:50):
one thing, and of course that means it's time to
put your brains to work. It's time for the canonical couplet,
the Sherlockian Quiz program, where we give you two lines
of poetry and ask you to apply your little gray
cells to determine which Sherlock Holme story we are talking
about now. If you remember the last time we were
(01:06:14):
around here, we gave you this clue. Gregson and Lestrade
made contributions minimal. Within three days, Holmes's hand was on
the criminal boy. Bert, put your little rays ells to work.
Let's see what you have.
Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
Well, it's obvious. It's a terrific story. It's a story
where this American counterfeitter tries to get an eccentric collector
out of his house by telling him that an odd
bedspread designer supposedly is leaving money to his relatives. It's
the story Watson called the Three Garish beds.
Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Ugh, my head, my forehead is starting to get a
flat mark from where I'm banging it against the desk.
I don't know if anyone could hear that. But no, no, no,
I know again, Bert, I'm sorry, I know. Shocking, shocking.
But Eric Decker's to the rescue. He writes, excellente, I've
(01:07:25):
solved it.
Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
This is the.
Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Story where Holmes had a torrid love affair with a
married woman in which he kept copious notes and read
as many books on adultery as he could. It's the
story Watson called a study in the Scarlet Letter, except
I think I may be mixing this up with a
(01:07:49):
Nathaniel Hawthorne book. It's more likely to be a study
in Scarlet Why yes, Eric, you have got it. Well,
why don't we turn to the big spinning prize wheel
and bring it on in here and give it a spear,
(01:08:13):
watching it go around, slowing down and landing on number
twenty eight, twenty eight, And that looks like it is,
Patrick Bezini. Congratulations, Patrick, we have a copy of Nicholas
(01:08:35):
Myers's book for you, so congratulations on that. I should
also note Bert that Patrick wrote in with his answer
he said, I also want to let you know how
much I enjoyed this particular episode. As a forensic science professor.
I loved the topic and the discussions about forgeries, having
done a bit of research in the area. I really
(01:08:56):
appreciated Bert's comment on Giovanni Morelli and connecting him with
Freud and consequently with Holmes, which reminded me of the
excellent work of Italian historian Carlo Ginsburg, whom I have
had the pleasure of including in a few of my
writings and lectures. Loved it. Keep shining Patrick.
Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
Oh, how interesting, boy, I've read it. It is lovely. Well,
thank you, thank you Patrick. The you know Ginsburg was
it was an Italian historian, and I've read you know,
some of his work, which is really I seem to remember,
(01:09:41):
you know, one about about you know, mythology and ancient superstition,
something that was really fascinating. How interesting, Yeah, well done.
Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Well, we do have another prize available for this canonical couplet.
It is, as we mentioned at the top the show,
a copy of Ray Reithmeyer and kel Richard's book Sherlock
Holmes Five Minute Mysteries. So get your pencils ready and
get your thinking cabs on.
Speaker 5 (01:10:11):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Followed back to Baker Street, Holmes endured a rare defeat.
If you know the answer to this episode's canonical couplet,
put it in an email addressed to comment that I
hear of Sherlock dot com with canonical couplet in the
subject line. If your name is selected at random from
all the correct answers, you'll win the good luck. Oh boy, Bert,
(01:10:40):
I think this episode went on longer than five minutes.
Speaker 5 (01:10:44):
You think so?
Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Ah, like a little bit, a little bit, no worries
though we'll be back for you know, threatening people with
another long five minutes in about fifteen days should be good.
If you set your calendar by that.
Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I'll put it on my calendar.
Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
We have to get one of those talking calendars for you.
Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
Oh well, yeah, I don't know what to say about that.
I wouldn't. My problem with the talking calendar is you
can't really have much of a conversation. But the answer
isn't going to be Tuesday or Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
You know, we got you got at least five other
days to choose from. But I would disagree with that
assumption overall, because I have a talking calendar at home.
The talking calendar constantly says, Scott, come on, get ready.
Don't you know we have to leave for something in
five minutes. It's my wife always keeping me on task.
(01:11:49):
I don't know where we'd be without people like that
in our lives.
Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
No, no, no place.
Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
We'd be falling behind as we are with this episode. Well, folks,
just a reminder again, if you like the show, if
you have heard something here that has touched you in
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(01:12:16):
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(01:12:37):
show ad free, but you get bonus content, so stay
tuned for that and thank you in advance. Well, I
guess Bert in the meantime, this is the ad free
Scott Monty.
Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
And I'm the guy with the easy to fill out coupon.
I'm Bert Wilder.
Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
I like the sandwich boards you wear around the office here.
Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
Oh it's a big improvement over the sliced ham I
used to wear.
Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Ham. How appropriate? And until next time around these parts
we say of a foot, the games are a foot.
(01:13:34):
I'm afraid that in the pleasure of this conversation I'm
neglecting business of importance which awaits me.
Speaker 6 (01:13:44):
Thank you for listening. Please be sure to join us
again for the next episode of I Hear of Sherlock Everywhere.
The first podcast dedicated to Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
Goodbye, I'm good luck, and believe me to be my
dear fellow. That is sincerely yours shall hurt.
Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Are you comfortable? Take a deep breath, apply some E
forty five and repeat after me. I will stop dooms
grolling in bed. I will stop saying I'm on my
way before I've even hopped in the shower. I will
moisturize my elbows and without the short sleeves. This is
(01:14:34):
my skin, this is me.
Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
E forty five makes your skin feel comfortable, so you
can feel more comfortable in your skin,
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