November 10, 2025 • 41 mins
What does the Second Amendment really mean in context? Does restricting gun ownership cause more or less crime? How can we prevent or minimize mass shootings? In this episode we look at some important statistics around the controversial topic of gun control.
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Hello and welcome to another edition of Ideological.
I'm your host Zach Lee, and today we are talking about
something that is very controversial within the topic
of politics, and that is the issue of gun control.
OK, so I'm not going to show anyon the screen just because
people will freak out on TikTok,but gun controls we're going to
be talking about today's episodeis brought to you by pistol
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fingers. Pistol fingers pick up a girl at
a bar. Hey, we're going to be talking
about gun control, which is a controversial topic now on
ideological, I typically don't take positions on issues.
I just kind of give you the different views and then let you
go home and argue with your friends and and cause conflict
at Thanksgiving with your family.
But today I'm going to take a position.
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And the main reason I'm going totake a position is because
politicians can politic and theycan chat and scholars can chat.
People are being shot and children.
Are being shot and schools are being shot up and all this
terrible stuff, and I just want that to stop.
And so in the meantime, while wetry to figure out the theory
behind it. I have a view of what would
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actually stop it in the meantime, why we're still
talking. And so I want to promote that
view in this video. So though on some issues I'll be
more left-leaning, on others I'll be more right leaning.
I'm going to make a pretty strong case that gun control
does not work. And so we need to be doing
something that works because again, I'm not trying to push a
political agenda, I'm trying to keep.
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Kids in school. From being shot.
So let's let's ask what would practically work?
Why we try to figure out the thetheory behind it.
And if you're somebody and this is just something you really
hate, maybe you lost a loved onebecause they got shot or
something like this. I'm sorry that that happened.
I would encourage you to to keepan open mind though on this, on
this topic. If you're somebody that already
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has your mind made-up and you'relike, no, guns are obviously the
worst. The Second amendment's trash.
We should totally get rid of that.
Zach, you're you're a crazy, crazy, gun toting Texan.
Whatever true though that may be, that's not an argument.
You have to be open minded and hear the other side even if you
hate gun stuff. Now something people don't know
about me is in addition to beingthis August erudite man of.
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Letters. I also been a professional
shooting instructor. I worked at a with a firearms
law company, so I'm I'm uniquelyeducated on this topic.
How it plays into just work theory, how it plays into the
Second Amendment, how it plays into political views about when
it is or is not right to take life.
We're not doing all of that today.
What we're going to go over today is really two things.
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I. Want to talk about the Second
Amendment in context, and I wantto talk about gun control
statistics and such in the US And so that the case I'm going
to make, and I'll just tell you,I'll just lay out my cards here,
which I don't usually do. I think that no matter what
restrictions you put around guns, people are going to find a
way to get them or make them. You can make them with a 3D
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printer. I mean, guns are 1000 year old
technology. It's not like we're just, that's
like saying we should get rid ofeveryone sharpening sticks so no
one can have a pokey stick. And you're like, they're just
going to take a stick and just rub it on the concrete and it's
going to become a weapon. So I don't think you're ever
going to get rid of it. So knowing that that's the case,
how do you prevent the mass shootings?
How do you prevent the unrighteous shootings?
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And I I think that is through having.
People that. Create a deterrent through being
able to fight back again. Don't put me in that camp of
your angry right wing uncle or whatever who you know says weird
stuff at Christmas. That's, that's not what I'm
trying to do. I, I want to look at it more
objectively. I used to be just to, to let you
know, I used to be actually veryanti gun.
I, I just thought, hey, let's just get rid of them.
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It's stupid. You don't need to have a right
to this. Guns have changed, the Second
Amendment's about muskets, all that.
I've changed my views over time because.
Of what I've learned. So there it is, laying it all
out for you. Let's talk about gun control and
the Second Amendment in context.We'll start with the Second
Amendment and lay some legal foundation and then we will look
at some of the statistics. So hang in there.
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If you're like, what are the howmany people die from?
I'm going to get to all that. What about Matt?
I'm going to get to all that. As a, again, professional
shooting instructor who also knows a shit ton about shooting
and guns and tactics, here we go.
Ready. Gun control, the Second
Amendment context, it says this.A well regulated militia, being
necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the
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people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
OK, that's the way the Second Amendment reads.
Let's go over a few things that you might notice in that
amendment. Here's the first one.
The purpose of the amendment hasnothing to do with hunting.
I've heard a lot of people say, yeah, I like guns.
I grew up hunting. I support the Second Amendment.
You're like, it has nothing to do with hunting.
It's about hunting people. It's not about hunting.
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So notice it has nothing to hunting was already allowed.
That's how people had food back in the day.
So you already have a right to hunt because that is the right
to kill animals and eat them #2.Second thing to notice is that
the purpose of this amendment isto have a a well regulated
militia. OK.
So for for for there to be people in the US that could form
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a militia if they needed to, to fight back against someone
trying to take their freedoms. That is the explicit purpose of
the Second Amendment. Now, however, to be clear,
though this mentions A militia, it includes self-defense from an
attack. Always, OK.
You always have the right to defend yourself if you're being
attacked. So in fact, in 2008, the Supreme
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Court case District of Columbia,DC versus Heller, the Supreme
Court held that. Listen quote.
That the Second Amendment rotects an individual right to
ossess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia and to
use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as
selfdefense within the home. Additionally, the Second
Amendment should, quote, guarantee an individual right to
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possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.
So what the Supreme Court decided, Whether you like it or
not, this is the the ruling which therefore also makes it
law. The ruling is the Second
Amendment. Though it explicitly mentions a
militia, it's certainly not limited.
To that, what is a? Militia is there to protect you
from somebody trying to harm youor take your things.
That is also called a right of self-defense.
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You already had that. Again, you don't.
They don't have to go out and say the guns are for hunting.
You could already hunt. They don't have to go out and
say the guns are for protecting yourself.
You've always been able to protect yourself.
If someone's trying to kill you,you have a right to not be
killed and you have a right to to to fire back.
Third thing to notice about thisamendment is it does allow both
for the owning and the bearing, right, the having with them or
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the carrying of firearms. And so there are there are
people that say, yeah, you can own firearms, but you can't, you
know, have it on you to protect you in a road rage incident or
whatever. I mean, then, then what good
does it do? Now listen to this one.
This one's controversial. The amendment doesn't restrict
or even specify which types of guns are allowed and which are
not. OK.
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So there's a, a common objectionto the Second Amendment that
goes something like this. The Second Amendment is talking
about the right to keep and beararms.
But the type of arms that they had back in the day were
muskets. Today we have assault rifles,
and we'll learn what that term does and doesn't mean in a
second. Almost everybody misuses that
term, and they don't know what an assault rifle is.
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You know, our weapons are so much deadlier today.
They really just want us having muskets.
The end. Here's the problem with that.
It's conjecture. The text doesn't mention what
kind of weapons you can have. Here's probably what's going on.
What they're probably saying is that you have the right to the
normal, typical firearm that youwould need to resist an outside
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invader or the government overstepping its bounds.
OK. So whatever soldiers are having
back in the day, and by the way,the brisket, the the briskets,
that's a combination of the British and the musket.
This episode's brought to you bybriskets.
That's what old George Washington turned them into.
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So the briskets. It is for, you know, the, the,
the British had a common rifle like a musket.
And So what they're probably saying is you have the right to
have a. Common rifle like a musket to,
you know, resist these kind of things or resist the government
even if it tries to come for your rights or freedoms or life
or whatever it might be. What what does that mean when
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firearms change Now the average soldier has a certain type of
weapon. Should you not have the right
then to have whatever that is? Or if we got invaded by China or
Russia or somebody that, you know, Red Dawn style was
attacking America, what kind of rifles would they have?
And would you have the right to have something that at least is
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somewhat equivalent? I, I don't think anybody, Well,
that's ridiculous. There are people that say this.
It's not talking about your right to own an F16.
It's not talking about your right to own a nuke.
So I, I, I, I'm fine when peoplesay, hey, yes, civilians
shouldn't own rocket launchers. I'm good with that.
When we're just talking about the average type of rifle that a
soldier might have, in case you needed to be a militia or be a
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soldier, that's probably something that the Second
Amendment. Would allow so whatever would be
comparable to current personal military weapons #5 the purpose
of the Second Amendment is to allow citizens to create a
militia to protect themselves. Notice from two things here
outside. Invasion like Japan in World War
2. Because one of the reasons the
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Japanese said that they didn't attack mainland America was
because there would be a gun around every corner, that it
would turn every American into asoldier.
But also there is this idea thatthis militia and the right to
bear arms might be to rebel against the government if the
government oversteps its bounds.I'm not saying that's right,
wrong or indifferent. Not saying that's good.
We can have a whole other lessonon just war theory and right to,
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you know, rebellion. When does a king or a an elected
body lose their rights? That's a different topic.
But anyway, that is just a fast fly by a fast fly over of the
Second Amendment context. So just to summarize that, if
you've already fallen asleep, what I need to do is I should
just do a deskpop, right? Like from the other guys, the
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movie, just do a deskpop just randomly during this video, Pop
it off. There you go.
Pop it off. Don't think, just go here.
We go do it. Yes, Hey, Terry, I did.
I did my first desktop. It's a real thing, right?
Do I have guns in the room whereI'm at right now?
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I'll never tell, but the answer is yes.
Actually, I have several in here.
OK, this is Texas. What else?
OK, that's the that's the SecondAmendment in context.
So what they're saying, what theframers, the Constitution are
saying is governments tend towards tyranny and also outside
invaders tend towards tyranny. So you should be able as an
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American citizen to have a gun, yes, for hunting and
self-defense. That's a given.
That doesn't need to say. It doesn't need to to say that
explicitly, although that's certainly there by implication.
If you have a right to take a gun and rebel against the
government and overthrow it, youalso probably have a right of
someone shooting at you to shootback and protect yourself.
So yes for that, but it's probably talking originally
about the ability for Americans to get together, have whatever
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we would consider a current personal military weapon to get
together for protection from outside invaders or from some
sort of tyrannical government that's.
Probably what it is for OK, that's the Second Amendment
don't get mad Listen, some of you, you anti gun people already
you you hate it. Listen, I was once you, I was
once you, and I might agree withyou on many other things, but I
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just just telling people to get rid of guns doesn't stop bad
guys from getting them, importing and making them and
shooting people. So let's talk about gun control
now. So we just talked about the
Second Amendment. Let's talk about gun control.
Let's first of all make fun of some stuff.
I love making fun of stuff. Let's make fun of the media.
Let's make fun of people who tryto talk about this issue who are
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not educated on it. OK, to understand this issue,
yes, you need to know politics. Yes, you need to understand
constitutional law. Yes, you need the academic side,
but you also need to know something about guns.
And I see that when it comes to this issue, most people don't
have training on both, which is why you should listen to what
I'm saying. There's gun people and they're
like, we should take over the government.
I need a tank. You don't want that guy.
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You heard his accent. I think you know where he's
from. And then you have the other
people, though, that are like these assault white rifles have
with a chainsaw bayonet has, andthey have no idea what they're
talking about. They use words like clip and
they think a bump stock is something the military uses.
And such so it's. It's it's dumb.
So let's make some fun of some people and let's talk about some
common misunderstandings of gun related terms and also some
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correct understandings of gun related terms.
So let me give you some definitions and then I'll give
you the statistics on gun control statistics in America.
But let's go over some of these terms so we know what we are and
are not saying, first of all. What is gun control?
Here's a great definition of guncontrol.
The set of laws are policies that regulate the manufacture,
sale, transfer, possession, modification or use of firearms
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by civilians. That's what gun control is, by
the way. Most people, including myself,
advocate for some. Form of gun control.
I like that you can't take a gunonto a plane, but I also like
how nobody can because they've got guards and TSA and all of
that, so you know that you're safe.
So as long as you know you're safe and there's air marshals,
fine. I'm fine with you not taking a
gun onto a plane. I don't think you should own a
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nuclear weapon. I don't think civilians should
own grenades, these kind of things.
So every, everyone, not everyone.
Again, there's always the, the, the exceptions.
Many people would agree. That with some type of gun
control, even if they don't think that you should have it in
a. Kindergarten classroom or
something. The question is, where do you
land on that spectrum? Let's go for the next term when
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it comes to this topic or phraserather gun free zone.
What is a gun free zone? We're going to see how many
people get killed in gun free zones in just a second.
But first let's explain what it is.
A gun free zone is this. It's a location where a licensed
weapons permit holder may not bring their firearm.
OK, so. A gun free zone is not a place
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where somebody cannot bring a gun.
If that were the. Case we would just make all of
America gun free zone and no onewould get murdered.
We would just make all of America drug free zone and no
one would do drugs. We'd make all of America like a
stealing free zone and no one would steal.
Remember, bad guys are always going to do what they're going
to do. Bad guys are going to do what
they're going to do. They don't care about the laws.
It's not like somebody's going in to shoot up a movie theater
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and all of a sudden they get to the sign and they're like, oh,
this place doesn't allow guns. Well, I don't want to break any
laws other than murder. And so I'm going to go put this
back in my car, a gun free zone,and you'll find out this is
where most mass shootings happen.
By the way, a gun free zone is where a good guy cannot have a
gun. It is where somebody who is been
fingerprinted, been trained, been licensed is a legal
citizen. That is not crazy.
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They're not allowed to have one for self-defense.
It's a self-defense. Free zone.
It's not a gun free zone. Bad guys can always bring guns
there. Think about that.
Here's the next one. I love this one in AR.
What about the AR15? AR does not stand for assault
rifle. AR stands for Armalite rifle.
It's the company that originallyproduced a design made by a guy
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named Eugene Stoner. So Eugene Stoner.
Creates this design for a particular type of rifle and a
company called Armalite. Armalite rifles is the one that
decided to manufacture them. That is why it's called an AR.
It does not stand for assault rifle.
What is an assault rifle? In one sense, there is no such
thing. I'm.
I'm gonna give you a military definition of an assault rifle
in a second, but first here, here this thought.
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In one sense, there is no such thing as an assault rifle.
Do you know why? Because assault is an action.
It's something you do. OK.
It's not like I take a pencil and then I stab you with it and
you say, ah, it's an assault pencil.
No, it's just a pencil and I've used it to assault.
OK, one of my favorite news headlines one time talked about
a guy wearing. Quote.
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Assault Pants. This episode's brought you by
Assault Pants. Assault Pants.
Why do you need so many? Pockets.
So again, I don't think there are such things as assault
pants. I think those are just like well
fitting pants with pockets probably.
So in one sense, assault is an action.
It's not a, but there is a military definition of an
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assault rifle, but it's one thatmust include selective fire,
meaning you have to be able to flip it to three round burst or
fully auto or something like that.
And it's a, it's then consideredan assault rifle.
Civilian model ARS or AR Fifteens are not assault rifles
by definition. They do not meet that
definition. If you didn't know that, you
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should go look in a mirror and you should frown.
You know why? Because you're looking at the
problem. OK, let's talk about the term
semi automatic. OK, Semi automatic.
A semi automatic firearm is a firearm that fires one round
with each Press of the trigger. So bang, bang, bang, bang.
That is semi automatic. OK, We have had semi automatic
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rifles since the 1800s, maybe even before that.
That's just a normal firearm. So when people are like, we got
to get rid of semi automatic rifles, you're like, wait, like
200 a 150 year old technology that like just fires one round
each time you pull the trigger. That's what you just mean a
normal rifle. That's what semi automatic
means. It's not some sort of like fancy
scary, whatever. That is different than fully
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automatic. Fully automatic is where the gun
continues to fire when you hold down the trigger.
So semi automatic, bang, bang, bang, fully automatic, hold down
the trigger, right? Like what you think of as a
machine gun or something like that that.
It that would be a fully automatic weapon.
Do you like the sound I made? I should have brought like a
never mind. There's some things I could have
brought to make funny sounds, but I'm I'm glad I didn't now as
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I think more about it. So my favorite is I've also
heard, I think after a mass shooting, somebody came on the
news and they said that the gun was a fully semi automatic.
And I'm like. Whoa whoa, I don't even know if
you know what you're talking about.
So there's no such thing as a fully semi automatic.
Another term you'll hear culturemisuse on the gun control topic
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is the term high capacity magazine.
OK, what the news, what online, what social media means when
they say high capacity magazine is a standard capacity magazine.
OK, so they make it sound like it's really scary in military
when it's just totally normal. Let me let me put it into
perspective for you. The average police officer, at
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least where I live, the average state trooper in the state of
Texas who have more training than the average police officer.
Actually they're like the state police.
They miss 80% of their shots under stress.
Trained shooters who have good training, some of whom were in
the military before becoming, you know, part of law
enforcement, miss 80% of their shots under stress.
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OK, well, if you're going to miss 8 out of 10 shots and you
get attacked by two people, and those two shots might not even,
like, kill them or stop them right away.
If you hit them in the arm or itgoes to their body and doesn't
hit, you know, some sort of major organ or blood bearing
part of your body. How many shots do you need to
stop 2 assailants? Would you need 20 like so?
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A 17 round magazine, which is like a standard for like a a
Glock handgun or something that's full size or a 30 round
magazine for a rifle is very normal.
Those are not high capacity. Those are.
Normal magazines because you're scared and you're shaking, you
missed shots and you're bleedingand people are shooting back at
you. People don't understand that in
a real shooting things are not clear and clean and crisp.
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I would highly recommend two books for you if you're
interested in this kind of topic.
They both come from Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman, who is a
West Point psychologist and former Army Ranger.
So he's got the tactical side and he studies the psychology.
He's devoted his entire life to studying the effects of killing
in combat, unlike veterans. And so he talks about all the
things your body does under stress and all that.
It's really, really fascinating.So highly highly recommend that
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if you want to hear more about this another.
Phrase you'll hear misused or term you'll hear misused is
clip. OK, people say pass me another
clip. A clip is a strip of metal to
which you attach or insert rounds, and they're used in much
older weapon systems such as like an M1 Grand, like back in
World War 2. When most people say clip, what
they mean to say is magazine. OK, most modern firearms are not
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going to use. Clip.
So a clip would be like a strip of metal you'd attach rounds to
and put it in your firearm. To say it another way, clips
feed magazines and magazines feed guns.
So people that when they say hand me a clip, it's usually not
a clip, it's a magazine and theydon't know, again what they're
talking about. Here's another phrase I like to
to see in culture and on social media, military style.
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It was a military style weapon. That is a term used for a
completely regular rifle whetherit's used in the military or
not. Just because it looks cool, OK,
Just because it's painted black or it they're they're trying to
make a regular rifle sound like you're an extremist by saying
it's military style again? He was wearing military style
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pants when he shot up the schoolor he's wearing military, a
military style haircut and you're like, he just, he just
had short hair, dude. Like give him a break.
I mean, not if he shot up the school, don't give him a break,
but give him a break for his hair.
Gun violence. This is another term you hear.
Let me tell you why this term iscompletely unhelpful.
That's just violence done by a firearm.
The reason that's unhelpful is it doesn't distinguish between
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righteous versus unrighteous gunviolence.
It doesn't distinguish between lawful versus unlawful gun
violence. Let me say it's stronger.
The Nazis were stopped with gun violence.
The Nazis were not stopped by conversation.
They were not stopped through diplomacy.
They were stopped with gun violence.
Some gun violence is good. So when people.
Talk about gun violence or how many people were shot.
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I want to know, well, wait, should they have been shot?
Was this a good shooting? Was this a lawful shooting?
Is it, do you mean unlawful gun violence that's bad or do you
mean lawful gun violence? You're actually going to find
that most of the times that whenthey say something like gun
violence or people died from gunviolence, well, I wouldn't say
most. I'd say a lot of the time you
will find out that that is overwhelmingly self-defense and
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it's actually a good type of gunviolence.
So you need to distinguish between good and bad gun
violence. OK, you with me so far.
Are you mad? Have you shot your screen yet?
Just kidding. If you hate this then you
probably don't have a gun and that's fine.
You know, to each their own whenthings get crazy or if the grid
goes down. You're toast, so I don't
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actually think the grid will go down.
It's fine. Gun control statistics in the US
OK, statistics. Let me just name some terrible
things in the world. Cancer, rape, murder statistics.
People who take their shoes off on airplanes.
There there's several bad thingsin the world.
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Statistics is one of them. And statistics can be misused.
And So what I've tried to do. And yes, there could be other
statistics I'm sure you could throw at me.
And then we'd have to fight about who has a better resource
and what practically work. That's fine.
I've tried to use statistics that are very strong and
relevant to the gun control issue.
And I've tried to use statistics, listen to this
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almost solely from more liberal or left-leaning sources so that
you don't think I'm just stacking the deck so this
doesn't come from some like kindof dumb right wing Fox News
article or something like this is a.
This is a bit. More objective I I like to
pretend I'm being objective. Everyone has their biases again.
Maybe I'll do one on weed soon and talk about why it should
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absolutely be legal and it's done for conservatives to try to
control the morality of things that only affect an individual
physically. But in this one, we're talking
about guns. So gun control statistics in the
US, are you? Ready.
Let me give you 2 and then. I'll tell you the source that it
comes from. In the United States, for
everyone firearm related homicide, there are 80.
That's 80 cases where a firearm is used in self-defense.
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This means that one is 80 times more likely to use a firearm in
self-defense as a way to preserve innocent life than they
are to use it in an unlawful. Way to take an innocent life.
A similar study done under the Clinton administration, a more
liberal administration concludedthat there are almost 50 cases
of self-defense gun use for everyone.
Gun related homicide. Did you hear what I just said?
Between 50 and 80 people are protected by using a gun in
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self-defense for everyone. Homicide.
That's a strong statistic. How about this Also, each year
there are more than 200,000 cases of sexual assault that are
prevented by women carrying firearms.
So if a guy gets a little too handsy and is a little sexual
assaulty, that's the adjective. You pull out that firearm and
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you let him. Know, And by the way, now's a
good time for disclaimer, none of this is legal advice on what
to use for a firearm for or whenyou'll go to jail.
This is just me talking. Know that for what I just said
and what I'm about to say. It's going to cover backwards
and forwards. OK, but it allows women to
protect themselves better when they have access to firearms.
This is one of the things interesting in the in Israel the
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women are required to be in the military, the IDF as well.
And so they're trained with firearms and Krav Maga and
knives and all this. And so the rates of rape in
Israel are like super low compared to the rest of the
world because those girls know how to fight.
Zach, where does that come from?Does that come from some sort
of, is that a Elon, Elon Musk tweet that you got that info
from? No, this actually comes from
Northwestern University. This comes from their Journal of
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Criminal Law and Criminology from Northwestern University in
an article entitled Arm Resistance to Crime.
Next interesting statistic here.the United States has the
highest per capita gun ownershipin the world.
Yeah, America, highest per capita gun ownership in the
world. Now listen, if more guns cause
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more murders and that was the primary issue, then we should
have the highest per capita murder rate in the world.
Do you understand what I just said?
If we have the highest per capita, you know, gun ownership
in the world, per capita, we have the most guns per people.
If more guns cause more murders,and that was again the main
issue, we should have the highest per capita murder.
Rate in the world. Where do you think the US ranks
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in per capita murder rate? You think we're in the top 50?
Nope. Think we're in the top 20?
Nope. Think we're in the top five?
Nope. America, the United States ranks
121st in per capita murders whencompared with the rest.
Of the world. This means pay attention again,
you might hate this. I hate Zach.
I disagree with your statistic. This one's hard to argue with.
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This means there are 120 other countries with less guns and
more violence than the US. So less guns per capita, but
more murders per capita. Zach, Does that come from some?
Nope. That comes from the global study
on homicides from the United Nations. the United Nations is
not a conservative body. The United Nations Office on
Drugs and Crime in 2013. Zach, aren't guns dangerous for
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children? Zach if we could just get rid of
guns, which, by the way, you cannot do, remember, that's
impossible. That's a fake.
Let me pause here to say something that's really
important. What some people say is this.
They'll kind of take a a strangeversion of a prisoner's
prisoner's dilemma and what they'll say something like this.
If you're in a prison and you have access to a gun, you are
safer because you have that gun,but everyone else is more at
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risk because you have one. So the safest thing is to have
no one in the prison have guns and then everyone would be more
safe. I'm fine with that.
But what if you had a prison that you knew would always have
guns where people could smuggle them in, They they could make
them, they could trade them. There would always be guns in
the prison. Well, then the safest thing for
you would be to have one as well.
You will never. Get rid of gun ownership.
You will never get rid of illegal gun ownership even if
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you get rid of legal gun ownership.
So knowing that that's not real,now let's play in the realm of
real and figure out a way to keep people from being shot.
OK, Unlawfully, Zach. We got to get rid of the guns.
We can't do that. But so many children, they just
get access to their parents gunsand they they, they shoot
themselves. Great.
You made a great case for getting rid or making illegal
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terrible parenting. You haven't made a case for
guns. But let's go over the
statistics. Aren't guns dangerous for
children? In one year how many people in
the United States, how many children OK discharge A firearm
accidentally because the IT was not properly locked up?
The answer in the US is 69. About 69 children accidentally
discharge A firearm that's not properly locked up.
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That's not how many who die, that's just they accidentally
fire around. To put this in perspective,
there are twice as many childrenwho die from bicycles each year
than who die from firearms. That comes from the annual
report of the CDC. Again, not a conservative
organization. You remember them during COVID?
The CDC from. One of their annual reports.
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Next, listen to this. This one comes from the Harvard
Journal of Law and Public Policy.
I don't know if you've heard of Harvard.
It's kind of a big deal. It used to be a good school.
Now it's kind of, I think I readrecently that like something
about over 80% of their studentsget handed out in a minus or
above. So it's it's gone down in
quality. It's not quite what it used to
be, but certainly not a conservative institution.
Would banning firearms reduce murder and suicide, which is a
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famous article from this journal.
Listen to this quote. In 2004, the US Academy of
Sciences released its evaluationof from a review of 253 journal
articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, and
some original empirical research.
It failed to identify any gun control that had reduced violent
crime, suicide, or gun accidents.
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The same conclusion was reached in 2003 by the US Centers for
Disease Control's review of thenexistent.
Studies. It's pretty strong.
That's an older statistic. Doesn't make it irrelevant.
It's actually very close to the time of a lot of mass shootings,
but there you go. But Zach, can't we just ban guns
like England? Let's use England, OK?
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the United Kingdom. It's a fun, fun statistic. the
United Kingdom, where firearms ownership is severely
restricted. It has four times the amount of
violent crime as the US. Remember, you can't just take
into account mass shootings. You have to take into account
stabbings. You have to take into account
rape. You have to take into account
people being murdered with otherthings.
This comes from a from Richard Edwards.
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UK is violent crime capital of Europe in the Telegraph in 2009.
OK so I mean every once in a while you'll see if you follow
them on social media the government in England will send
out something about knife crimesand how it's illegal to have a
knife and how no one should havea knife.
And you're like, wait, sounds like I should at least maybe
have one to protect me from all the other people you just said
have knives and are stabbing people.
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This next one comes from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
The FB is annual report in 2011.Listen to this.
Assault rifle Zach. Rifles, they're, they're so
deadly, they're killing so many people.
Listen to this. Each year there are about 323
homicides committed with rifles in the US.
In comparison, about 496 people are killed with hammers or
clubs. This means that blunt.
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Objects account for 60% more deaths than so-called assault
rifles. Maybe we need background checks
for hammers like you go into Home Depot, you got to.
Put your name on a list. I mean that these are These are
strong statistics. Far more people die from hammers
in clubs than rifles in the United States every year.
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We give you another one. This comes from John Lott and
it's called Guns in Schools Can Save Lives.
It was in USA TODAY 2012. Gun free zones are perhaps the
most notorious killers. Listen to this according to John
Lott, a chief economist with theUS Sentencing Commission.
Listen to this quote. With just one exception, every
public mass shooting in the USA since at least 1950 has taken
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place where citizens are banned from carrying guns despite
strict gun regulations. Europe has had three of the
worst six school shootings. He also writes killers go where
victims can't defend themselves.In the Aurora, Co movie theater
shooting, out of the seven theaters showing the Batman
movie premiere within 20 minutesof the suspect's apartment, only
one banned permitted concealed handguns.
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The suspect didn't go to the closest nor the largest, but to
the one that banned self-defense.
Now, there have been a few more shootings since then that we're
not in gun free zones. But again, that's, that's a
powerful thing to notice that bad guys go where good guys
cannot shoot back. They're not looking for a
gunfight. They're usually not trained.
The kind of people that shoot upthe schools and stuff.
They're usually not like former snipers or something like this.
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They're they're, they're like the kids who draw, right?
They're like the artist kids that were made fun of.
And then they're like, you know,I will make you feel my pain.
And so that's, that's, that's what happens.
And so they. They go somewhere to play God,
to just take life. And so the the the one he
references here that the Batman movie premiere that happened in
Aurora, Co, the guy that shot upthat theater went to one because
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it didn't allow people to shoot back at him.
He also had on body armor. He also took Xanax before he
went to calm his body down because he knew what his body
would do under stress. There you go.
Let me give you some additional facts about mass shooting.
Do we need a break? Let's take a little.
I need a little water break. Additional facts about mass
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shootings. There are about 371,000,000 guns
in the US. Whoa again, America.
OK, 371,000,000 guns in the US. Meaning there are about as many
guns as there are people. It's awesome.
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The idea that you could actuallybuy them all back.
By the way, there's no buy back.You didn't own them to begin
with, but the idea that you could buy them all back or
destroy them all without bad guys keeping some is virtually
impossible. It, it is kind of an asinine
suggestion. A complete gun ban or government
buyback, in addition to being unconstitutional, isn't a real
solution. This is not a place like
Britain. It's not a place like Australia
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where you don't typically have everybody having a bunch of
guns. Guns have been in our DNA since
our inception. And so knowing that the bad guys
would not turn them in, knowing that the bad guys would smuggle
them across the border, what then do you do?
And you have to have a way to stop them that will not prevent
the murders. You'll never be able to stop
shootings. You'll never be able to stop
murders. You'll never be able to stop
mass shootings. Once you realize that that's
life. That's real.
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Now the question is, how do you minimize it?
How do you have less people do it?
And if every time somebody went into a school to shoot it up
they got shot right away, peoplewould stop doing that so much.
Some would still try, but the results would also be less
catastrophic. Mass shootings are over
typically. And how long does it take?
5 minutes or less? Most mass shootings are over in
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5 minutes or less. So when people say you don't
need a gun, you can just call the cops.
Most mass shootings are over in 5 minutes or less.
Do you know the average police response time in the United
States? It's 10 minutes.
They're there to pick up body parts.
The average shooting in the US, just among individuals is about
3 seconds. Mass shooting, 5 minutes.
Police response time, 10 minutes.
So the idea of we don't need guns.
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We just, you could just call thepolice.
I'm always pretty close to me. Check this out.
I'm here. I'm also here now, like I, I
have a tendency to go everywherethat I am.
The police are not always next to me.
OK Columbine, by the way, took 47 minutes, which is really
awful because what was unique about Columbine is typically the
when somebody, you know, went into a school like that or
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whatever they're they were taking hostages, they had some
demands, they wanted something. And so they were showing up
trying to negotiate and go slow and not send people in.
And so the killers just kept killing people.
So now when there's a shooting, cops rush in really quickly to
stop it because now it's just about body count, whereas it
used to be about like negotiation or, you know, a
ransom or something like that. Let's talk about the deadliest
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mass shootings in U.S. history. You ready?
You've probably heard of these, and I'm going to show you some
interesting things about. These first of all, the concert
in Las Vegas in 2017. That is the most deadly shooting
in mass shooting with 60 people killed and a lot, I'm not going
to include the injured. There's a lot more injured, but
60 people killed at the concert at Las Vegas #2 is the Pulse
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nightclub in Orlando, FL in 2016where 49 people died.
The Virginia Tech shooting in 2007, a lot of people know about
that one that had 32 deaths, 32 casual, 32 like casualties that
that, that, that died. Excuse me, 4.
This one was very sad. Sandy Hook in 2012, there were
27 people who died #5 the churchin Sutherland Springs in 2017,
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there were 26 people that died. The El Paso Walmart in 2019 had
23 people who died #7 Uvalde in 2022 had 21 people who who died
and it was not handled well by law enforcement #8 the shooting
in Parkland, FL in 2018 had 17 #9 San Bernardino, I don't know
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if you remember that one. In 2015 there were 14 people
that were killed, and then Fort Hood in 2009 had 13.
Now there's more than that, but those are the top 10.
Let me give you some interestingfacts about those top ten.
You ready? An assault rifle was not used
for a single one of them. Civilian model AR fifteens were
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used in some. Only handguns were used in
others. But again, an assault rifle.
We need to ban assault rifles. They're causing the mass
shootings. They're not even used in any of
the top ten. I'm not even sure that there's
been any mass shootings in the US that were done by an actual
assault rifle with select fire, an actual military weapon.
They were just done with civilian rifles that people use
for self-defense or hunting thatlook cool.
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Listen to this next one. Every single one of them was in
a gun free zone. Of the top ten mass shootings,
every single one of them was in a gun free zone.
It was a place where you were not permitted to bring your
firearm if you were a concealed carry holder.
People could not shoot back, which is why they can just kill
all the people. You just have to run or hide or
fight or whatever. Everybody's just cramming out
the door and they just, there's nobody shooting back.
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If you get shot back, if even ifsomebody shoots back and they
miss and all the sudden you're like, oh man, I could.
This has just changed the game. Every single one of these was in
a gun free zone. That's who gets people killed.
Gun free zones. Now these are tragic.
Let let me. Be clear.
I've made some jokes. I do that for levity.
This is a heavy topic. We're talking about shooting.
We're talking about guns. We're talking about something
that's politically contentious. I get it.
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I've said all these things trying to keep it light.
This is heavy. OK, So I'm not trying to make
light of this. I'm trying to say we have to do
something different. What we need to do different is
to kill the killers quickly. Then they won't be able to keep
killing. In fact, there are a lot of
people that went to commit mass shootings and somebody with a
firearm shot back and killed them and it therefore didn't
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become a mass shooting. So another dumb thing you'll
hear on the news is they'll say people having guns hasn't ever
stopped a mass shooting. You're like, that's because it
didn't become a mass shooting. Because they did stop it like.
The person wanted to do a mass shooting and they fired their
gun and then they instantly got shot and so it didn't become a
mass shooting. So they did stop a mass
shooting. You can't say that they stopped
it after it was already a mass shooting or else then you'd say
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they didn't stop. So the logic of people is is not
good. So I realized all of this is
heavy, but I want to put this inperspective.
I'm not saying it's OK. I want to put this in
perspective of those top ten that I just read to you, that's
a total of 282 people, which is tragic.
That's a lot of loss of life. But I want to put that in
perspective to see if these massshootings, like we think in
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America, mass shootings happening everyday, that's 282
people in the top ten of all time in American history.
To put that in perspective, 172,000 people die each day
worldwide and 8400 people die each day just in the USA. 108
people just in the US die each. Day, each day.
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Just from car crashes. So yes, they're bad.
But this is not like when peopletalk about an epidemic of mass
shootings, no. To to say it another way, if
every day the top ten mass shootings all happened, all ten
of these happened every single day, it would take 609 days for
his in a row for as many people to die as normally die every day
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from other things. Cars kill way more people than
guns, right? So it it's just it's it's
insanity. It's insanity.
So I don't care your view. You don't have to have a gun or
get a gun. You don't have to light guns,
whatever. All I'm trying to say is.
This is not really a question about guns.
It's not really a question aboutrights.
It's a question about human nature.
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It's a question to say, what do people do?
We will never get rid of murders.
We'll never get rid of mass shootings.
Again, even in places where they're not allowed to have it,
or even in the mass shootings that happened in Europe where
you're not allowed to have gun, like people are going to be
people. People are going to be selfish.
People have evolved to dominate and to protect self and all
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these kind of things. That's what they're going to
keep doing. And so you can protect yourself
or you can't, but you can't stopthe bad guy.
Just hoping the bad guys will stop being bad, hoping the bad
guys will follow the laws, hoping the bad guys can't get
access to guns. That's like saying I hope they
can't get access to drugs. I mean, it's it's ridiculous.
It's it's just naive. So that's gun control on this
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Ideological.
Hello and welcome to another edition of Ideological.
I'm your host Zach Lee, and today we are talking about
something that is very controversial within the topic
of politics, and that is the issue of gun control.
OK, so I'm not going to show anyon the screen just because
people will freak out on TikTok,but gun controls we're going to
be talking about today's episodeis brought to you by pistol
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fingers. Pistol fingers pick up a girl at
a bar. Hey, we're going to be talking
about gun control, which is a controversial topic now on
ideological, I typically don't take positions on issues.
I just kind of give you the different views and then let you
go home and argue with your friends and and cause conflict
at Thanksgiving with your family.
But today I'm going to take a position.
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And the main reason I'm going totake a position is because
politicians can politic and theycan chat and scholars can chat.
People are being shot and children.
Are being shot and schools are being shot up and all this
terrible stuff, and I just want that to stop.
And so in the meantime, while wetry to figure out the theory
behind it. I have a view of what would
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actually stop it in the meantime, why we're still
talking. And so I want to promote that
view in this video. So though on some issues I'll be
more left-leaning, on others I'll be more right leaning.
I'm going to make a pretty strong case that gun control
does not work. And so we need to be doing
something that works because again, I'm not trying to push a
political agenda, I'm trying to keep.
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Kids in school. From being shot.
So let's let's ask what would practically work?
Why we try to figure out the thetheory behind it.
And if you're somebody and this is just something you really
hate, maybe you lost a loved onebecause they got shot or
something like this. I'm sorry that that happened.
I would encourage you to to keepan open mind though on this, on
this topic. If you're somebody that already
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has your mind made-up and you'relike, no, guns are obviously the
worst. The Second amendment's trash.
We should totally get rid of that.
Zach, you're you're a crazy, crazy, gun toting Texan.
Whatever true though that may be, that's not an argument.
You have to be open minded and hear the other side even if you
hate gun stuff. Now something people don't know
about me is in addition to beingthis August erudite man of.
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Letters. I also been a professional
shooting instructor. I worked at a with a firearms
law company, so I'm I'm uniquelyeducated on this topic.
How it plays into just work theory, how it plays into the
Second Amendment, how it plays into political views about when
it is or is not right to take life.
We're not doing all of that today.
What we're going to go over today is really two things.
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I. Want to talk about the Second
Amendment in context, and I wantto talk about gun control
statistics and such in the US And so that the case I'm going
to make, and I'll just tell you,I'll just lay out my cards here,
which I don't usually do. I think that no matter what
restrictions you put around guns, people are going to find a
way to get them or make them. You can make them with a 3D
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printer. I mean, guns are 1000 year old
technology. It's not like we're just, that's
like saying we should get rid ofeveryone sharpening sticks so no
one can have a pokey stick. And you're like, they're just
going to take a stick and just rub it on the concrete and it's
going to become a weapon. So I don't think you're ever
going to get rid of it. So knowing that that's the case,
how do you prevent the mass shootings?
How do you prevent the unrighteous shootings?
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And I I think that is through having.
People that. Create a deterrent through being
able to fight back again. Don't put me in that camp of
your angry right wing uncle or whatever who you know says weird
stuff at Christmas. That's, that's not what I'm
trying to do. I, I want to look at it more
objectively. I used to be just to, to let you
know, I used to be actually veryanti gun.
I, I just thought, hey, let's just get rid of them.
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It's stupid. You don't need to have a right
to this. Guns have changed, the Second
Amendment's about muskets, all that.
I've changed my views over time because.
Of what I've learned. So there it is, laying it all
out for you. Let's talk about gun control and
the Second Amendment in context.We'll start with the Second
Amendment and lay some legal foundation and then we will look
at some of the statistics. So hang in there.
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If you're like, what are the howmany people die from?
I'm going to get to all that. What about Matt?
I'm going to get to all that. As a, again, professional
shooting instructor who also knows a shit ton about shooting
and guns and tactics, here we go.
Ready. Gun control, the Second
Amendment context, it says this.A well regulated militia, being
necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the
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people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
OK, that's the way the Second Amendment reads.
Let's go over a few things that you might notice in that
amendment. Here's the first one.
The purpose of the amendment hasnothing to do with hunting.
I've heard a lot of people say, yeah, I like guns.
I grew up hunting. I support the Second Amendment.
You're like, it has nothing to do with hunting.
It's about hunting people. It's not about hunting.
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So notice it has nothing to hunting was already allowed.
That's how people had food back in the day.
So you already have a right to hunt because that is the right
to kill animals and eat them #2.Second thing to notice is that
the purpose of this amendment isto have a a well regulated
militia. OK.
So for for for there to be people in the US that could form
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a militia if they needed to, to fight back against someone
trying to take their freedoms. That is the explicit purpose of
the Second Amendment. Now, however, to be clear,
though this mentions A militia, it includes self-defense from an
attack. Always, OK.
You always have the right to defend yourself if you're being
attacked. So in fact, in 2008, the Supreme
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Court case District of Columbia,DC versus Heller, the Supreme
Court held that. Listen quote.
That the Second Amendment rotects an individual right to
ossess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia and to
use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as
selfdefense within the home. Additionally, the Second
Amendment should, quote, guarantee an individual right to
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possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.
So what the Supreme Court decided, Whether you like it or
not, this is the the ruling which therefore also makes it
law. The ruling is the Second
Amendment. Though it explicitly mentions a
militia, it's certainly not limited.
To that, what is a? Militia is there to protect you
from somebody trying to harm youor take your things.
That is also called a right of self-defense.
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You already had that. Again, you don't.
They don't have to go out and say the guns are for hunting.
You could already hunt. They don't have to go out and
say the guns are for protecting yourself.
You've always been able to protect yourself.
If someone's trying to kill you,you have a right to not be
killed and you have a right to to to fire back.
Third thing to notice about thisamendment is it does allow both
for the owning and the bearing, right, the having with them or
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the carrying of firearms. And so there are there are
people that say, yeah, you can own firearms, but you can't, you
know, have it on you to protect you in a road rage incident or
whatever. I mean, then, then what good
does it do? Now listen to this one.
This one's controversial. The amendment doesn't restrict
or even specify which types of guns are allowed and which are
not. OK.
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So there's a, a common objectionto the Second Amendment that
goes something like this. The Second Amendment is talking
about the right to keep and beararms.
But the type of arms that they had back in the day were
muskets. Today we have assault rifles,
and we'll learn what that term does and doesn't mean in a
second. Almost everybody misuses that
term, and they don't know what an assault rifle is.
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You know, our weapons are so much deadlier today.
They really just want us having muskets.
The end. Here's the problem with that.
It's conjecture. The text doesn't mention what
kind of weapons you can have. Here's probably what's going on.
What they're probably saying is that you have the right to the
normal, typical firearm that youwould need to resist an outside
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invader or the government overstepping its bounds.
OK. So whatever soldiers are having
back in the day, and by the way,the brisket, the the briskets,
that's a combination of the British and the musket.
This episode's brought to you bybriskets.
That's what old George Washington turned them into.
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So the briskets. It is for, you know, the, the,
the British had a common rifle like a musket.
And So what they're probably saying is you have the right to
have a. Common rifle like a musket to,
you know, resist these kind of things or resist the government
even if it tries to come for your rights or freedoms or life
or whatever it might be. What what does that mean when
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firearms change Now the average soldier has a certain type of
weapon. Should you not have the right
then to have whatever that is? Or if we got invaded by China or
Russia or somebody that, you know, Red Dawn style was
attacking America, what kind of rifles would they have?
And would you have the right to have something that at least is
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somewhat equivalent? I, I don't think anybody, Well,
that's ridiculous. There are people that say this.
It's not talking about your right to own an F16.
It's not talking about your right to own a nuke.
So I, I, I, I'm fine when peoplesay, hey, yes, civilians
shouldn't own rocket launchers. I'm good with that.
When we're just talking about the average type of rifle that a
soldier might have, in case you needed to be a militia or be a
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soldier, that's probably something that the Second
Amendment. Would allow so whatever would be
comparable to current personal military weapons #5 the purpose
of the Second Amendment is to allow citizens to create a
militia to protect themselves. Notice from two things here
outside. Invasion like Japan in World War
2. Because one of the reasons the
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Japanese said that they didn't attack mainland America was
because there would be a gun around every corner, that it
would turn every American into asoldier.
But also there is this idea thatthis militia and the right to
bear arms might be to rebel against the government if the
government oversteps its bounds.I'm not saying that's right,
wrong or indifferent. Not saying that's good.
We can have a whole other lessonon just war theory and right to,
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you know, rebellion. When does a king or a an elected
body lose their rights? That's a different topic.
But anyway, that is just a fast fly by a fast fly over of the
Second Amendment context. So just to summarize that, if
you've already fallen asleep, what I need to do is I should
just do a deskpop, right? Like from the other guys, the
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movie, just do a deskpop just randomly during this video, Pop
it off. There you go.
Pop it off. Don't think, just go here.
We go do it. Yes, Hey, Terry, I did.
I did my first desktop. It's a real thing, right?
Do I have guns in the room whereI'm at right now?
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I'll never tell, but the answer is yes.
Actually, I have several in here.
OK, this is Texas. What else?
OK, that's the that's the SecondAmendment in context.
So what they're saying, what theframers, the Constitution are
saying is governments tend towards tyranny and also outside
invaders tend towards tyranny. So you should be able as an
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American citizen to have a gun, yes, for hunting and
self-defense. That's a given.
That doesn't need to say. It doesn't need to to say that
explicitly, although that's certainly there by implication.
If you have a right to take a gun and rebel against the
government and overthrow it, youalso probably have a right of
someone shooting at you to shootback and protect yourself.
So yes for that, but it's probably talking originally
about the ability for Americans to get together, have whatever
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we would consider a current personal military weapon to get
together for protection from outside invaders or from some
sort of tyrannical government that's.
Probably what it is for OK, that's the Second Amendment
don't get mad Listen, some of you, you anti gun people already
you you hate it. Listen, I was once you, I was
once you, and I might agree withyou on many other things, but I
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just just telling people to get rid of guns doesn't stop bad
guys from getting them, importing and making them and
shooting people. So let's talk about gun control
now. So we just talked about the
Second Amendment. Let's talk about gun control.
Let's first of all make fun of some stuff.
I love making fun of stuff. Let's make fun of the media.
Let's make fun of people who tryto talk about this issue who are
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not educated on it. OK, to understand this issue,
yes, you need to know politics. Yes, you need to understand
constitutional law. Yes, you need the academic side,
but you also need to know something about guns.
And I see that when it comes to this issue, most people don't
have training on both, which is why you should listen to what
I'm saying. There's gun people and they're
like, we should take over the government.
I need a tank. You don't want that guy.
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You heard his accent. I think you know where he's
from. And then you have the other
people, though, that are like these assault white rifles have
with a chainsaw bayonet has, andthey have no idea what they're
talking about. They use words like clip and
they think a bump stock is something the military uses.
And such so it's. It's it's dumb.
So let's make some fun of some people and let's talk about some
common misunderstandings of gun related terms and also some
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correct understandings of gun related terms.
So let me give you some definitions and then I'll give
you the statistics on gun control statistics in America.
But let's go over some of these terms so we know what we are and
are not saying, first of all. What is gun control?
Here's a great definition of guncontrol.
The set of laws are policies that regulate the manufacture,
sale, transfer, possession, modification or use of firearms
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by civilians. That's what gun control is, by
the way. Most people, including myself,
advocate for some. Form of gun control.
I like that you can't take a gunonto a plane, but I also like
how nobody can because they've got guards and TSA and all of
that, so you know that you're safe.
So as long as you know you're safe and there's air marshals,
fine. I'm fine with you not taking a
gun onto a plane. I don't think you should own a
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nuclear weapon. I don't think civilians should
own grenades, these kind of things.
So every, everyone, not everyone.
Again, there's always the, the, the exceptions.
Many people would agree. That with some type of gun
control, even if they don't think that you should have it in
a. Kindergarten classroom or
something. The question is, where do you
land on that spectrum? Let's go for the next term when
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it comes to this topic or phraserather gun free zone.
What is a gun free zone? We're going to see how many
people get killed in gun free zones in just a second.
But first let's explain what it is.
A gun free zone is this. It's a location where a licensed
weapons permit holder may not bring their firearm.
OK, so. A gun free zone is not a place
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where somebody cannot bring a gun.
If that were the. Case we would just make all of
America gun free zone and no onewould get murdered.
We would just make all of America drug free zone and no
one would do drugs. We'd make all of America like a
stealing free zone and no one would steal.
Remember, bad guys are always going to do what they're going
to do. Bad guys are going to do what
they're going to do. They don't care about the laws.
It's not like somebody's going in to shoot up a movie theater
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and all of a sudden they get to the sign and they're like, oh,
this place doesn't allow guns. Well, I don't want to break any
laws other than murder. And so I'm going to go put this
back in my car, a gun free zone,and you'll find out this is
where most mass shootings happen.
By the way, a gun free zone is where a good guy cannot have a
gun. It is where somebody who is been
fingerprinted, been trained, been licensed is a legal
citizen. That is not crazy.
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They're not allowed to have one for self-defense.
It's a self-defense. Free zone.
It's not a gun free zone. Bad guys can always bring guns
there. Think about that.
Here's the next one. I love this one in AR.
What about the AR15? AR does not stand for assault
rifle. AR stands for Armalite rifle.
It's the company that originallyproduced a design made by a guy
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named Eugene Stoner. So Eugene Stoner.
Creates this design for a particular type of rifle and a
company called Armalite. Armalite rifles is the one that
decided to manufacture them. That is why it's called an AR.
It does not stand for assault rifle.
What is an assault rifle? In one sense, there is no such
thing. I'm.
I'm gonna give you a military definition of an assault rifle
in a second, but first here, here this thought.
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In one sense, there is no such thing as an assault rifle.
Do you know why? Because assault is an action.
It's something you do. OK.
It's not like I take a pencil and then I stab you with it and
you say, ah, it's an assault pencil.
No, it's just a pencil and I've used it to assault.
OK, one of my favorite news headlines one time talked about
a guy wearing. Quote.
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Assault Pants. This episode's brought you by
Assault Pants. Assault Pants.
Why do you need so many? Pockets.
So again, I don't think there are such things as assault
pants. I think those are just like well
fitting pants with pockets probably.
So in one sense, assault is an action.
It's not a, but there is a military definition of an
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assault rifle, but it's one thatmust include selective fire,
meaning you have to be able to flip it to three round burst or
fully auto or something like that.
And it's a, it's then consideredan assault rifle.
Civilian model ARS or AR Fifteens are not assault rifles
by definition. They do not meet that
definition. If you didn't know that, you
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should go look in a mirror and you should frown.
You know why? Because you're looking at the
problem. OK, let's talk about the term
semi automatic. OK, Semi automatic.
A semi automatic firearm is a firearm that fires one round
with each Press of the trigger. So bang, bang, bang, bang.
That is semi automatic. OK, We have had semi automatic
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rifles since the 1800s, maybe even before that.
That's just a normal firearm. So when people are like, we got
to get rid of semi automatic rifles, you're like, wait, like
200 a 150 year old technology that like just fires one round
each time you pull the trigger. That's what you just mean a
normal rifle. That's what semi automatic
means. It's not some sort of like fancy
scary, whatever. That is different than fully
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automatic. Fully automatic is where the gun
continues to fire when you hold down the trigger.
So semi automatic, bang, bang, bang, fully automatic, hold down
the trigger, right? Like what you think of as a
machine gun or something like that that.
It that would be a fully automatic weapon.
Do you like the sound I made? I should have brought like a
never mind. There's some things I could have
brought to make funny sounds, but I'm I'm glad I didn't now as
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I think more about it. So my favorite is I've also
heard, I think after a mass shooting, somebody came on the
news and they said that the gun was a fully semi automatic.
And I'm like. Whoa whoa, I don't even know if
you know what you're talking about.
So there's no such thing as a fully semi automatic.
Another term you'll hear culturemisuse on the gun control topic
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is the term high capacity magazine.
OK, what the news, what online, what social media means when
they say high capacity magazine is a standard capacity magazine.
OK, so they make it sound like it's really scary in military
when it's just totally normal. Let me let me put it into
perspective for you. The average police officer, at
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least where I live, the average state trooper in the state of
Texas who have more training than the average police officer.
Actually they're like the state police.
They miss 80% of their shots under stress.
Trained shooters who have good training, some of whom were in
the military before becoming, you know, part of law
enforcement, miss 80% of their shots under stress.
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OK, well, if you're going to miss 8 out of 10 shots and you
get attacked by two people, and those two shots might not even,
like, kill them or stop them right away.
If you hit them in the arm or itgoes to their body and doesn't
hit, you know, some sort of major organ or blood bearing
part of your body. How many shots do you need to
stop 2 assailants? Would you need 20 like so?
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A 17 round magazine, which is like a standard for like a a
Glock handgun or something that's full size or a 30 round
magazine for a rifle is very normal.
Those are not high capacity. Those are.
Normal magazines because you're scared and you're shaking, you
missed shots and you're bleedingand people are shooting back at
you. People don't understand that in
a real shooting things are not clear and clean and crisp.
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I would highly recommend two books for you if you're
interested in this kind of topic.
They both come from Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman, who is a
West Point psychologist and former Army Ranger.
So he's got the tactical side and he studies the psychology.
He's devoted his entire life to studying the effects of killing
in combat, unlike veterans. And so he talks about all the
things your body does under stress and all that.
It's really, really fascinating.So highly highly recommend that
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if you want to hear more about this another.
Phrase you'll hear misused or term you'll hear misused is
clip. OK, people say pass me another
clip. A clip is a strip of metal to
which you attach or insert rounds, and they're used in much
older weapon systems such as like an M1 Grand, like back in
World War 2. When most people say clip, what
they mean to say is magazine. OK, most modern firearms are not
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going to use. Clip.
So a clip would be like a strip of metal you'd attach rounds to
and put it in your firearm. To say it another way, clips
feed magazines and magazines feed guns.
So people that when they say hand me a clip, it's usually not
a clip, it's a magazine and theydon't know, again what they're
talking about. Here's another phrase I like to
to see in culture and on social media, military style.
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It was a military style weapon. That is a term used for a
completely regular rifle whetherit's used in the military or
not. Just because it looks cool, OK,
Just because it's painted black or it they're they're trying to
make a regular rifle sound like you're an extremist by saying
it's military style again? He was wearing military style
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pants when he shot up the schoolor he's wearing military, a
military style haircut and you're like, he just, he just
had short hair, dude. Like give him a break.
I mean, not if he shot up the school, don't give him a break,
but give him a break for his hair.
Gun violence. This is another term you hear.
Let me tell you why this term iscompletely unhelpful.
That's just violence done by a firearm.
The reason that's unhelpful is it doesn't distinguish between
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righteous versus unrighteous gunviolence.
It doesn't distinguish between lawful versus unlawful gun
violence. Let me say it's stronger.
The Nazis were stopped with gun violence.
The Nazis were not stopped by conversation.
They were not stopped through diplomacy.
They were stopped with gun violence.
Some gun violence is good. So when people.
Talk about gun violence or how many people were shot.
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I want to know, well, wait, should they have been shot?
Was this a good shooting? Was this a lawful shooting?
Is it, do you mean unlawful gun violence that's bad or do you
mean lawful gun violence? You're actually going to find
that most of the times that whenthey say something like gun
violence or people died from gunviolence, well, I wouldn't say
most. I'd say a lot of the time you
will find out that that is overwhelmingly self-defense and
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it's actually a good type of gunviolence.
So you need to distinguish between good and bad gun
violence. OK, you with me so far.
Are you mad? Have you shot your screen yet?
Just kidding. If you hate this then you
probably don't have a gun and that's fine.
You know, to each their own whenthings get crazy or if the grid
goes down. You're toast, so I don't
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actually think the grid will go down.
It's fine. Gun control statistics in the US
OK, statistics. Let me just name some terrible
things in the world. Cancer, rape, murder statistics.
People who take their shoes off on airplanes.
There there's several bad thingsin the world.
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Statistics is one of them. And statistics can be misused.
And So what I've tried to do. And yes, there could be other
statistics I'm sure you could throw at me.
And then we'd have to fight about who has a better resource
and what practically work. That's fine.
I've tried to use statistics that are very strong and
relevant to the gun control issue.
And I've tried to use statistics, listen to this
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almost solely from more liberal or left-leaning sources so that
you don't think I'm just stacking the deck so this
doesn't come from some like kindof dumb right wing Fox News
article or something like this is a.
This is a bit. More objective I I like to
pretend I'm being objective. Everyone has their biases again.
Maybe I'll do one on weed soon and talk about why it should
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absolutely be legal and it's done for conservatives to try to
control the morality of things that only affect an individual
physically. But in this one, we're talking
about guns. So gun control statistics in the
US, are you? Ready.
Let me give you 2 and then. I'll tell you the source that it
comes from. In the United States, for
everyone firearm related homicide, there are 80.
That's 80 cases where a firearm is used in self-defense.
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This means that one is 80 times more likely to use a firearm in
self-defense as a way to preserve innocent life than they
are to use it in an unlawful. Way to take an innocent life.
A similar study done under the Clinton administration, a more
liberal administration concludedthat there are almost 50 cases
of self-defense gun use for everyone.
Gun related homicide. Did you hear what I just said?
Between 50 and 80 people are protected by using a gun in
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self-defense for everyone. Homicide.
That's a strong statistic. How about this Also, each year
there are more than 200,000 cases of sexual assault that are
prevented by women carrying firearms.
So if a guy gets a little too handsy and is a little sexual
assaulty, that's the adjective. You pull out that firearm and
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you let him. Know, And by the way, now's a
good time for disclaimer, none of this is legal advice on what
to use for a firearm for or whenyou'll go to jail.
This is just me talking. Know that for what I just said
and what I'm about to say. It's going to cover backwards
and forwards. OK, but it allows women to
protect themselves better when they have access to firearms.
This is one of the things interesting in the in Israel the
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women are required to be in the military, the IDF as well.
And so they're trained with firearms and Krav Maga and
knives and all this. And so the rates of rape in
Israel are like super low compared to the rest of the
world because those girls know how to fight.
Zach, where does that come from?Does that come from some sort
of, is that a Elon, Elon Musk tweet that you got that info
from? No, this actually comes from
Northwestern University. This comes from their Journal of
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Criminal Law and Criminology from Northwestern University in
an article entitled Arm Resistance to Crime.
Next interesting statistic here.the United States has the
highest per capita gun ownershipin the world.
Yeah, America, highest per capita gun ownership in the
world. Now listen, if more guns cause
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more murders and that was the primary issue, then we should
have the highest per capita murder rate in the world.
Do you understand what I just said?
If we have the highest per capita, you know, gun ownership
in the world, per capita, we have the most guns per people.
If more guns cause more murders,and that was again the main
issue, we should have the highest per capita murder.
Rate in the world. Where do you think the US ranks
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in per capita murder rate? You think we're in the top 50?
Nope. Think we're in the top 20?
Nope. Think we're in the top five?
Nope. America, the United States ranks
121st in per capita murders whencompared with the rest.
Of the world. This means pay attention again,
you might hate this. I hate Zach.
I disagree with your statistic. This one's hard to argue with.
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This means there are 120 other countries with less guns and
more violence than the US. So less guns per capita, but
more murders per capita. Zach, Does that come from some?
Nope. That comes from the global study
on homicides from the United Nations. the United Nations is
not a conservative body. The United Nations Office on
Drugs and Crime in 2013. Zach, aren't guns dangerous for
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children? Zach if we could just get rid of
guns, which, by the way, you cannot do, remember, that's
impossible. That's a fake.
Let me pause here to say something that's really
important. What some people say is this.
They'll kind of take a a strangeversion of a prisoner's
prisoner's dilemma and what they'll say something like this.
If you're in a prison and you have access to a gun, you are
safer because you have that gun,but everyone else is more at
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risk because you have one. So the safest thing is to have
no one in the prison have guns and then everyone would be more
safe. I'm fine with that.
But what if you had a prison that you knew would always have
guns where people could smuggle them in, They they could make
them, they could trade them. There would always be guns in
the prison. Well, then the safest thing for
you would be to have one as well.
You will never. Get rid of gun ownership.
You will never get rid of illegal gun ownership even if
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you get rid of legal gun ownership.
So knowing that that's not real,now let's play in the realm of
real and figure out a way to keep people from being shot.
OK, Unlawfully, Zach. We got to get rid of the guns.
We can't do that. But so many children, they just
get access to their parents gunsand they they, they shoot
themselves. Great.
You made a great case for getting rid or making illegal
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terrible parenting. You haven't made a case for
guns. But let's go over the
statistics. Aren't guns dangerous for
children? In one year how many people in
the United States, how many children OK discharge A firearm
accidentally because the IT was not properly locked up?
The answer in the US is 69. About 69 children accidentally
discharge A firearm that's not properly locked up.
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That's not how many who die, that's just they accidentally
fire around. To put this in perspective,
there are twice as many childrenwho die from bicycles each year
than who die from firearms. That comes from the annual
report of the CDC. Again, not a conservative
organization. You remember them during COVID?
The CDC from. One of their annual reports.
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Next, listen to this. This one comes from the Harvard
Journal of Law and Public Policy.
I don't know if you've heard of Harvard.
It's kind of a big deal. It used to be a good school.
Now it's kind of, I think I readrecently that like something
about over 80% of their studentsget handed out in a minus or
above. So it's it's gone down in
quality. It's not quite what it used to
be, but certainly not a conservative institution.
Would banning firearms reduce murder and suicide, which is a
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famous article from this journal.
Listen to this quote. In 2004, the US Academy of
Sciences released its evaluationof from a review of 253 journal
articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, and
some original empirical research.
It failed to identify any gun control that had reduced violent
crime, suicide, or gun accidents.
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The same conclusion was reached in 2003 by the US Centers for
Disease Control's review of thenexistent.
Studies. It's pretty strong.
That's an older statistic. Doesn't make it irrelevant.
It's actually very close to the time of a lot of mass shootings,
but there you go. But Zach, can't we just ban guns
like England? Let's use England, OK?
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the United Kingdom. It's a fun, fun statistic. the
United Kingdom, where firearms ownership is severely
restricted. It has four times the amount of
violent crime as the US. Remember, you can't just take
into account mass shootings. You have to take into account
stabbings. You have to take into account
rape. You have to take into account
people being murdered with otherthings.
This comes from a from Richard Edwards.
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UK is violent crime capital of Europe in the Telegraph in 2009.
OK so I mean every once in a while you'll see if you follow
them on social media the government in England will send
out something about knife crimesand how it's illegal to have a
knife and how no one should havea knife.
And you're like, wait, sounds like I should at least maybe
have one to protect me from all the other people you just said
have knives and are stabbing people.
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This next one comes from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
The FB is annual report in 2011.Listen to this.
Assault rifle Zach. Rifles, they're, they're so
deadly, they're killing so many people.
Listen to this. Each year there are about 323
homicides committed with rifles in the US.
In comparison, about 496 people are killed with hammers or
clubs. This means that blunt.
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Objects account for 60% more deaths than so-called assault
rifles. Maybe we need background checks
for hammers like you go into Home Depot, you got to.
Put your name on a list. I mean that these are These are
strong statistics. Far more people die from hammers
in clubs than rifles in the United States every year.
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We give you another one. This comes from John Lott and
it's called Guns in Schools Can Save Lives.
It was in USA TODAY 2012. Gun free zones are perhaps the
most notorious killers. Listen to this according to John
Lott, a chief economist with theUS Sentencing Commission.
Listen to this quote. With just one exception, every
public mass shooting in the USA since at least 1950 has taken
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place where citizens are banned from carrying guns despite
strict gun regulations. Europe has had three of the
worst six school shootings. He also writes killers go where
victims can't defend themselves.In the Aurora, Co movie theater
shooting, out of the seven theaters showing the Batman
movie premiere within 20 minutesof the suspect's apartment, only
one banned permitted concealed handguns.
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The suspect didn't go to the closest nor the largest, but to
the one that banned self-defense.
Now, there have been a few more shootings since then that we're
not in gun free zones. But again, that's, that's a
powerful thing to notice that bad guys go where good guys
cannot shoot back. They're not looking for a
gunfight. They're usually not trained.
The kind of people that shoot upthe schools and stuff.
They're usually not like former snipers or something like this.
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They're they're, they're like the kids who draw, right?
They're like the artist kids that were made fun of.
And then they're like, you know,I will make you feel my pain.
And so that's, that's, that's what happens.
And so they. They go somewhere to play God,
to just take life. And so the the the one he
references here that the Batman movie premiere that happened in
Aurora, Co, the guy that shot upthat theater went to one because
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it didn't allow people to shoot back at him.
He also had on body armor. He also took Xanax before he
went to calm his body down because he knew what his body
would do under stress. There you go.
Let me give you some additional facts about mass shooting.
Do we need a break? Let's take a little.
I need a little water break. Additional facts about mass
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shootings. There are about 371,000,000 guns
in the US. Whoa again, America.
OK, 371,000,000 guns in the US. Meaning there are about as many
guns as there are people. It's awesome.
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The idea that you could actuallybuy them all back.
By the way, there's no buy back.You didn't own them to begin
with, but the idea that you could buy them all back or
destroy them all without bad guys keeping some is virtually
impossible. It, it is kind of an asinine
suggestion. A complete gun ban or government
buyback, in addition to being unconstitutional, isn't a real
solution. This is not a place like
Britain. It's not a place like Australia
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where you don't typically have everybody having a bunch of
guns. Guns have been in our DNA since
our inception. And so knowing that the bad guys
would not turn them in, knowing that the bad guys would smuggle
them across the border, what then do you do?
And you have to have a way to stop them that will not prevent
the murders. You'll never be able to stop
shootings. You'll never be able to stop
murders. You'll never be able to stop
mass shootings. Once you realize that that's
life. That's real.
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Now the question is, how do you minimize it?
How do you have less people do it?
And if every time somebody went into a school to shoot it up
they got shot right away, peoplewould stop doing that so much.
Some would still try, but the results would also be less
catastrophic. Mass shootings are over
typically. And how long does it take?
5 minutes or less? Most mass shootings are over in
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5 minutes or less. So when people say you don't
need a gun, you can just call the cops.
Most mass shootings are over in 5 minutes or less.
Do you know the average police response time in the United
States? It's 10 minutes.
They're there to pick up body parts.
The average shooting in the US, just among individuals is about
3 seconds. Mass shooting, 5 minutes.
Police response time, 10 minutes.
So the idea of we don't need guns.
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We just, you could just call thepolice.
I'm always pretty close to me. Check this out.
I'm here. I'm also here now, like I, I
have a tendency to go everywherethat I am.
The police are not always next to me.
OK Columbine, by the way, took 47 minutes, which is really
awful because what was unique about Columbine is typically the
when somebody, you know, went into a school like that or
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whatever they're they were taking hostages, they had some
demands, they wanted something. And so they were showing up
trying to negotiate and go slow and not send people in.
And so the killers just kept killing people.
So now when there's a shooting, cops rush in really quickly to
stop it because now it's just about body count, whereas it
used to be about like negotiation or, you know, a
ransom or something like that. Let's talk about the deadliest
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mass shootings in U.S. history. You ready?
You've probably heard of these, and I'm going to show you some
interesting things about. These first of all, the concert
in Las Vegas in 2017. That is the most deadly shooting
in mass shooting with 60 people killed and a lot, I'm not going
to include the injured. There's a lot more injured, but
60 people killed at the concert at Las Vegas #2 is the Pulse
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nightclub in Orlando, FL in 2016where 49 people died.
The Virginia Tech shooting in 2007, a lot of people know about
that one that had 32 deaths, 32 casual, 32 like casualties that
that, that, that died. Excuse me, 4.
This one was very sad. Sandy Hook in 2012, there were
27 people who died #5 the churchin Sutherland Springs in 2017,
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there were 26 people that died. The El Paso Walmart in 2019 had
23 people who died #7 Uvalde in 2022 had 21 people who who died
and it was not handled well by law enforcement #8 the shooting
in Parkland, FL in 2018 had 17 #9 San Bernardino, I don't know
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if you remember that one. In 2015 there were 14 people
that were killed, and then Fort Hood in 2009 had 13.
Now there's more than that, but those are the top 10.
Let me give you some interestingfacts about those top ten.
You ready? An assault rifle was not used
for a single one of them. Civilian model AR fifteens were
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used in some. Only handguns were used in
others. But again, an assault rifle.
We need to ban assault rifles. They're causing the mass
shootings. They're not even used in any of
the top ten. I'm not even sure that there's
been any mass shootings in the US that were done by an actual
assault rifle with select fire, an actual military weapon.
They were just done with civilian rifles that people use
for self-defense or hunting thatlook cool.
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Listen to this next one. Every single one of them was in
a gun free zone. Of the top ten mass shootings,
every single one of them was in a gun free zone.
It was a place where you were not permitted to bring your
firearm if you were a concealed carry holder.
People could not shoot back, which is why they can just kill
all the people. You just have to run or hide or
fight or whatever. Everybody's just cramming out
the door and they just, there's nobody shooting back.
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If you get shot back, if even ifsomebody shoots back and they
miss and all the sudden you're like, oh man, I could.
This has just changed the game. Every single one of these was in
a gun free zone. That's who gets people killed.
Gun free zones. Now these are tragic.
Let let me. Be clear.
I've made some jokes. I do that for levity.
This is a heavy topic. We're talking about shooting.
We're talking about guns. We're talking about something
that's politically contentious. I get it.
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I've said all these things trying to keep it light.
This is heavy. OK, So I'm not trying to make
light of this. I'm trying to say we have to do
something different. What we need to do different is
to kill the killers quickly. Then they won't be able to keep
killing. In fact, there are a lot of
people that went to commit mass shootings and somebody with a
firearm shot back and killed them and it therefore didn't
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become a mass shooting. So another dumb thing you'll
hear on the news is they'll say people having guns hasn't ever
stopped a mass shooting. You're like, that's because it
didn't become a mass shooting. Because they did stop it like.
The person wanted to do a mass shooting and they fired their
gun and then they instantly got shot and so it didn't become a
mass shooting. So they did stop a mass
shooting. You can't say that they stopped
it after it was already a mass shooting or else then you'd say
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they didn't stop. So the logic of people is is not
good. So I realized all of this is
heavy, but I want to put this inperspective.
I'm not saying it's OK. I want to put this in
perspective of those top ten that I just read to you, that's
a total of 282 people, which is tragic.
That's a lot of loss of life. But I want to put that in
perspective to see if these massshootings, like we think in
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America, mass shootings happening everyday, that's 282
people in the top ten of all time in American history.
To put that in perspective, 172,000 people die each day
worldwide and 8400 people die each day just in the USA. 108
people just in the US die each. Day, each day.
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Just from car crashes. So yes, they're bad.
But this is not like when peopletalk about an epidemic of mass
shootings, no. To to say it another way, if
every day the top ten mass shootings all happened, all ten
of these happened every single day, it would take 609 days for
his in a row for as many people to die as normally die every day
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from other things. Cars kill way more people than
guns, right? So it it's just it's it's
insanity. It's insanity.
So I don't care your view. You don't have to have a gun or
get a gun. You don't have to light guns,
whatever. All I'm trying to say is.
This is not really a question about guns.
It's not really a question aboutrights.
It's a question about human nature.
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It's a question to say, what do people do?
We will never get rid of murders.
We'll never get rid of mass shootings.
Again, even in places where they're not allowed to have it,
or even in the mass shootings that happened in Europe where
you're not allowed to have gun, like people are going to be
people. People are going to be selfish.
People have evolved to dominate and to protect self and all
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these kind of things. That's what they're going to
keep doing. And so you can protect yourself
or you can't, but you can't stopthe bad guy.
Just hoping the bad guys will stop being bad, hoping the bad
guys will follow the laws, hoping the bad guys can't get
access to guns. That's like saying I hope they
can't get access to drugs. I mean, it's it's ridiculous.
It's it's just naive. So that's gun control on this
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heavy episode of ideological. I hope you loved it.
Learn Tweet, send it to Send it to your right wing friends so
they get geeked out. Send it to your left wing
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And then I'll do another episodeon something else and and you
can. Reverse it for your friends.
So thanks for joining in. We'll see you next time.
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