November 24, 2025 • 46 mins
Dale Brisby is a cowboy, rancher, bull-rider, and content creator. He’s been on the Joe Rogan Podcast, has a show on Netflix, has millions of followers on social media, and is the host of the popular podcast, “Rodeo Time.” What is it really like to be a cowboy? How hard is it to ride a bull? On this episode, we interview Dale to get his take on all things country.
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Welcome to another edition of Ideological.
I am your host, Zach Lee, and weare in sunny Winnebago, Texas.
And I am here with the man, the myth, the legend, Dale Brisby.
Dale, thanks for being on the show.
Thanks for having me. Dude, I'm, I'm, I'm excited.
So one of the things I'm I'm excited about in this interview
is how little I know about cowboy culture and how little I
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know about, I don't know if you can tell from like the flowers
on my shirt, but I don't know a ton about cowboying, but you do.
And for those of you that don't know, I mean, many of you will
know who Dale is. He's kind of a big deal, to
quote Ron Burgundy, host of Rodeo Time.
He's got a show on Netflix. He's been on Joe Rogan.
He basically invented bull riding.
But before we jump in, I want togive a quick disclaimer that by
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being on the show, Dale is not endorsing anything else that I
do. So if I do something that makes
you mad or is not apropos, get mad at me and not Dale.
Dale, for people that don't knowwho you are, tell us about
yourself. Many people will, but who are
you? Don't be shy, don't be humbled,
just shoot them straight. Oh yeah, it is.
I am one of the most humble people that you'll meet, you
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know. And you don't even know how
humble. Yeah, that's not something
you're going to hear me brag about either.
But I I am the world's greatest bull rider and rancher.
I, you know, help a lot of youngpeople climb the ladder of
success in rodeo because I am the greatest and so that's what
you get to see on my YouTube a lot of ranching, a lot of rodeo.
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But yeah, I I grew up either. If I wasn't horseback, I was
bull back. My my dad was a cowboy.
And I like to describe my dad asa mix between Billy Graham and
John Wayne. He's he's Gustus.
He's he's Woodrow more than thanGus.
And so, yeah, kind of a strict Christian cowboy.
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So that that was the upbringing I got to, I got to go through.
And so, but yeah, these days I just raising cows and bucking
stock here on Radiator Ranch in Winnebago, Texas, and we turn on
the camera every now and then. I love it.
Someone told me that you actually got steaks from
Bodacious, so I don't know if that was.
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Yeah, yeah. You know, I had a lot more head
to head matchups with his brother Doe Bacious, who was way
more rank. But yeah, I love it.
All right. Well, very cool.
So again, I'm, I don't know muchabout this space, but I want you
to chat with us a little bit about how did you get started in
Rodeo, but then also how did youget started as a content
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creator? Rodeo, I was really born into
it, you know, at that, just around it a lot.
And at the age of nine years old, I rode my first bull and
invented riding bulls with one hand.
So a lot of guys were riding with two hands and I just felt
like that was too easy. And yeah, we had to shorten it
to 8 seconds for everyone else, but that was no issue for me.
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But no, my dad was, yeah, I grewup around it.
He he worked for a stock contractor.
He grew up in Lubbock and workedfor Charlie Thompson starting
when he was like 14 years old and started at the D rigging
shoot and eventually worked his way up to the shoots and then
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pick up man bullfighter. And then he did all the rough
stock events, bareback SATA bronc bull riding.
And so anyway, he, he, he was, he would help Charlie put on
rodeos all over and, and, and hegot to be real handy with
anything that involved the production of a rodeo and then,
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you know, participating in them as well.
And, and when I came around, youknow, he was, he was off to
other jobs ranching and he eventually taught AG in high
school, but we were always horseback and there was a lot of
rodeo involved. And so as a kid, it was just
something that I wanted to do and got on my first Bronx when I
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was in high school, got on a fewbulls.
And then same in college, kind of picked up the pace and then
kept going after college. And here we are.
So now I, I've always had a little bit of a, for some, I
think it's important when you'rea rodeoing, I think it's
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important to get on as much as possible for practice.
And so I've always postured myself in a position to have a
practice band, whether it was, you know, in college I helped a
guy that was a team Roper and helet me use his arena.
And then later I would, you know, put together a ragtag
arena and had a few practice horses and, and now I've got a
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pretty nice powder. River.
Set up with, you know, more practice horses and bulls.
I say that to say my dad would coach me and I would have this
practice band. And so I was always helping
people get started in rodeo, geton their first bull, first bronc
and, and you know, you, you got to have a lot of people to do
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that. And so it was always me and five
or six other guys that would be practicing.
And that has continued on for, you know, the last two decades
of my life where now I'm, I'm, I'm still able to do that
through my intern program. If you watch my content, I've
got a, you know, a gang of, you know, a dozen guys and girls
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that, that all participate in rodeo and, and once a week,
twice a week will go practice. And so I, I think that's
important for rodeo Cowboys and on the ranching side of things.
When I was born, we, we lived onthe Pitchfork Ranch.
It's over close to Guthrie, TX and we were at W camp and we're
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just, I mean, I wasn't old enough to even realize where we
were. But when he when my dad went to
on to where I would grow up in Memphis, he managed a small
ranch there and which is what would help build the foundation
of the cowboy side of what I did.
And so I feel like I was always a cowboy before I was a rodeo
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cowboy. And so that that which I think
is important. There's a there's an element
there that that, you know, is good to have in the rodeo arena.
But yeah, so both rodeo and ranch and my dad helped lay that
foundation in my life. And and so it's it's good to get
to give back to younger people now and help them with their
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foundation in it. I love it.
How did you get the content creation?
Because you you told. That was the other one.
Yeah, you're good. I was prank phone calling a lot
of people. It's starting in like 2010 and
had a Facebook and then I pranked phone called people for
three years and would just post like more like a tweet on
Facebook. Just a story, just a text, you
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know, caption post. But then in 2013, my buddy
turned on the camera and we madethe first video.
And that got released July 1st, 2013.
And so that was, that was the birth of the YouTube channel I
had made. I'd already had a Facebook.
There weren't any videos on it. And so the first video was July.
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And there was a buddy of mine, Mitch Montgomery, that posted it
and sent me the the the usernameand login.
And so yeah, I'm forever grateful for Mitch.
I'd kind of already started content but it was just super
low key. And now you've got, I mean
millions of followers across thedifferent platforms and such.
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So it's it's certainly taken off.
Well, it, you know, 12 years so.It takes 12 years to have
overnight success. North of a decade.
So there's there's definitely been some moments that helped
Bill. You know, every collaboration,
every podcast, every piece of content is a brick in building
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the brand. And so we've had some bricks
that were much larger. You know, one of the first ones
that was a big momentum jump forme was a YouTube named Jared
Outlaw. And he had hit a million
subscribers and he wanted to geton a bull for it.
And he told me he was like this.You know, when we do this, it'll
you make a video too. And he said it'll be a big jump,
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but you got to push hard and andthat was a huge jump for my for
my, my YouTube. And which I think is the found
should be the foundation for everyone's content in a long
form. Then you build the short form on
top of it. Regardless, he was right.
And turns out like you've got togo that hard all the time.
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You know, it does help after a after a big collaboration, but.
You. Know Fast forward and and
helping him get on a bull was inmy wheelhouse.
So like then we're just we turn on the camera to something I've
already been doing for 20 years and but Fast forward, you know,
the Netflix show was another bigbrick this summer.
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We got I got to help put Tyler Tony of dude perfect on a bull
and huge that's that that was for YouTube specifically.
That was a bigger brick than Netflix YouTube specifically
because it was on that platform.And so that was super neat to
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get to do and which I know a lotof you guys I know Jamin knows
those guys. You might, You might.
Know who I know? A couple of.
Them all great dudes. Tyler is super athletic.
I do think bull riding was harder than he expected, but,
but Tyler also did way better than I think everyone else
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expected. So I kind of, I kind of thought
he was probably going to be pretty good.
So I, I was, I feel like I was right on the money like he did.
He did really well, but that wasa neat collaboration.
But those are all bricks. And you know, we can, I can
sometimes put out just a single piece of content that ends up
being a large brick for me. I don't mind if it is or it
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isn't because I love what I do. I probably the one of the most
offensive things somebody's commented on one of my posts,
like the maddest. It's it's definitely I've not
ever gotten that mad that quick at something somebody wrote this
summer. I realized I could ride one of
my bulls, meaning like with a saddle and I put that saddle on
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him and I had wanted to gather cows on a bull.
I didn't know what bull it was. I was like, that would be neat
to gather a set of cows on a bull like, you know, he's going
to be like like trying to keep, but I didn't know what bull and
and this bull that I can ride like I can't guide him really,
but I he just doesn't care that I'm on his back.
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And so it looks like he's super broke because he's being dog
gentle, but it's really just more like position the camera
where he wants to go. Yeah.
And you know, he just doesn't care.
I'm on his back. If he wants to go that way, he's
going to go that way. And so it's it wasn't realistic
for me to gather a set of cows. And I looked over and I saw this
little one to two acre trap I got where I had a few bulls and
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I was like, that's what I want to do.
I want to gather bulls on a bull.
And immediately made me a littlenervous, which I like.
That's where we should find ourselves, if not daily, weekly,
like we got, you know, do something to make you nervous,
do hard things, you know, with or without a camera on.
But I was like, we got to do this.
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And so, and I can tell how, you know, any bull, the, the, the
friendliest of bull, when he gets put into a patch with
another bull, he's going to buttheads with them, whether playful
or not. Like that's just what they're
going to do. And most of the time it's not
playful. But this one's pretty friendly.
Most of those in there are pretty friendly, but I know
they're going to fight a little and sure enough they butt heads
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and it pushes me back and it's pretty comical.
Well, then he immediately turns and goes back out of the
pasture. We had not shut the gate and
these three bulls start following me and I get nervous
and about 40 yards out of the gate I realize where he's going
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and it's a dead end. It's an alley with a dead end.
And there's three bulls behind me.
One of them, I wasn't worried about bats.
He he didn't care. But the other two, Freebase and
Beaver, they mean it. And you can hear the concern in
my voice. I'm wearing Ray band metas.
My buddy is behind the bulls following filming.
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He's not chasing them. Like they don't care that he's
back there. He's trying to catch up.
And ANYWAYS, got like crazy, gotlike 10 million views on
Instagram, but somebody commented like, and it's the
first time anybody's really evercommented this, otherwise I'd
remember. But this is what happens when
you do things for the views. And Long story short, like, it
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was just, I was super offended. Oh, yeah.
And I wish I wouldn't have blocked him, but immediately
blocked him. Like it made me so mad because
like, anybody that's close to meknows that like, this is
something I would do without thecamera 100%.
Like, I grew up riding bulls, riding Bronx fighting bulls,
like. You did it and it led to fame.
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It wasn't done for fame. And they're a. 1000 percent,
1000% if if you call this fame, whatever.
But the point is, is like, no, this is something we would have
done without the cameras. I just happened.
That's just also how I make my living.
And so I have since that commenthas been made.
Like I try to say that often because if anything ever does
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happen to me, like I don't want the Instagram page influencers
in the wild to have the headlinelike guy who's trying to get
fused. No, no, no, no.
This guy's living his best life.That's right.
He occasionally films it. Yeah.
And some, you know, and then then follow with what happened.
I love it. It's just like Mavericks.
That was a big brick for us. We catch a Mavericks in Arizona.
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Like I went with Derek Begay outon an Indian Reservation for
couple 100,000 acres to catch these wild cows.
And that's cool. So we filmed it because it's so
interesting. Right?
The most dangerous thing I've done.
More dangerous than the bull thing, I think.
But we just, we filmed it because it's so interesting and
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but that's something I would do with or without the cameras and
anyway. I love that.
I got to go on record with that.I find myself trying to tell
everybody about that. This good?
I love it. I one time had some friends
trick me into eating calf fries.Would you say that that is like
my first step? Maybe in being a cowboy or some
Rocky Mountain oysters. You said chicken Nuggets.
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Not if you're having to get tricked into eating them.
That's fair. That's fair.
That's a city slicker thing. If you'll voluntarily, you know
no, grab them. Not them as a branch, not.
After my first now I was like, these are delicious and they're
like, you know what these are? And I'm like, I will literally
murder you and your family. No, they're so good.
They're so good. OK, so bull riding is one of the
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more dangerous activities in allof sports.
Yeah, you could die. Yes, you could.
Yeah. That's so that's that's up
there. You know, this is not just a
sprained ankle. This is not a LeBron flop.
This is like a what is the draw that people have with bull
riding? And what is the worst injury
that you've seen? The draw, I think I mean well,
the first, the the worst injury is, is easy, like death.
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Not a close friend of mine, but just like I've known him.
I shook his hand. And then 2nd to that, I've got a
good friend that was paralyzed. 2 friends.
I think they're both the waist down.
Yeah, they are, which is super scary.
Is it from how you land or do they get stepped on or what?
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Like I know it can happen. But one, I don't know, I've not
ever seen the video or asked him.
I know it's they're both from bareback riding, which is a
bucking horse event. The other one, Gerard Verzain,
he's like, he had been to the NFR 6 times when this happened
in, in Pasadena and the horse just flipped over straight
backwards. And so it, it just crunched him
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like this. I think it qualifies as like a
freak accident, but obviously like you're going to do that
thing. And so it is like, we all know
it could happen. So, so those are the worst
injuries. You know, like there's all kinds
of there's another one, a guy got hung up.
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Anyway, enough about that. Whatever.
But that that's what could go wrong.
Is it facing that fear? Is it?
Is it just the? For some people, I think there's
a lot of people that they want to be the cool guy in the room
that does the hard thing, you know, and once you're on the
back of an animal, you, you giveup a lot of control and.
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It looks easy. There's guys that ride like
myself, JB Mooney, you know, John Krember, like you see these
guys on Bulls. It looks like, oh, I'm athletic,
I could do a pull up. I played high school football.
I was, you know, whatever I could.
I can do that and it's crazy. It it is it's.
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Asinine. The people that think that they
can just do that, like nobody can just do it, first of all.
So I think there is just a naivety to to the uneducated eye
didn't. You say Cowboys are running
ahead. Try like you're talking about
one of the best athletes in the world if you're AUFC.
Fighter, UFC Hall of Famer, Likehe didn't just go to the Octagon
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once or twice. Like, he's got the most bouts in
the UFC. He had gotten on like half a
dozen in high school. And like, yeah, he though his
approach to it, he was just like, yeah, I'm going to just
muscle it. I'm just going to go ride these
bulls like. How long would he lat?
Like how long did he lat? Did he ride one with you or
around? You I mean he rode like a bull
we call birthday cake, but like,you know, but but like a buck
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and bull, you know, even Tyler Tony, people are calling him
like the greatest overall athlete of all time, Like he is
an athlete. He's he's he's above average and
can do a lot of things really well.
And we put him on half a dozen bulls and we stair stepped it
and then he got on my Rinkus bull at a rodeo and didn't last
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two jumps. You know, it's just it, it's,
it's so hard to do. But for some reason people don't
see that. So there's the the the the lure
of like, I can do that, you know, and they can't.
There's people that want to be the coolest guy in the room.
They also want to do something else to make people think
they're cool. But then there is I think the
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this is a a hard thing and I like to try to do hard things
approach that people that like to there, there are people that
like to challenge themselves, you know, and I think, and then
for some people, maybe they, they think all three things.
That's the draw. I think what keeps someone in it
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is usually the third thing, you know, like it is a battle, it's
a mental battle. There's there's fundamentals to
bull riding the bull. Every bull moves forward, even
when they turn back, they're they're going forward in a small
circle. And so.
The force is pushing you back. Well, then they kick.
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So if you just like sit on a bull, he jumps out of the chute,
you're the first thing you're going to do is roll back on your
pockets of your pants and then they're going to kick.
So it's going to dashboard you forward.
So you've you've got to go to the front.
Well, that's where his horns are.
And so the fundamentals of bull riding are counterintuitive.
So the mental battle is overcoming what your body
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naturally wants to do and forcing yourself to get near the
scary. Is that a fair?
Yeah, for sure. So like the emotion of fear
wants you like, no, we got to get away from his head.
What are you doing going to the front?
Well, I'm trying to ride the bull.
And so if you can, in the midst of these all three of the all
four of the restock events, bullfighting being one of them, the
4th one, that's that's how that works like and and I think it
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works. That's probably how it works in
a lot of things, a lot of other sports and extreme things that
you'll do. Like the main thing you're
supposed to do is what your bodyis telling you not to do, which
is your intuition. Yeah, that's campaigns talking
about rushing a shot or Jocko talking about want to ring a
bell or whatever. It's, it's, it's fighting that.
Well, even more specifically, the Jocko.
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It's just like when you. Round a corner.
You know, when you need to move forward, like you don't just
poke your head around and with your eyeball and then you, you
know, hopefully like, you know, shoot a gun like you've got to
like offense is the best defensekind of mentality.
So anyway, the point is there's a mental battle because if you
let your fear of like this bull,let's say, for instance, that
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let's let's use the most ultimate, this bull killed my
buddy on the previous outs, which which is technically
possible. Somebody else had to get on that
bull at the next bull ride. So there's this fear like no,
no, no, I've got to accept that that's possible, move forward or
or ignore it and act like it's not.
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Regardless, it's still there andis possible, however you decide
to deal with it and then executethe fundamentals.
And so there that's a battle every single time.
And there's some events like bronc riding where bull riding,
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like if, if, if you can just cover your bulls like and get a
high riding percentage, like you're winning checks.
Bronc riding is a little unique because like everybody rides
their Bronx. Like you can't just stay on.
Like you've got to spur, you've got to turn your toes out, you
got to drag, you've got to lift properly.
You've got to stay in timing with the animal and you've got
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to have style as you do it. So you got to overcome that fear
and also perform. I don't want to say it's harder
than bull riding because like any ANYWAYS, they're just two
different events. But the point is, is like, you
got to execute fundamentals and there's a mental battle there
that you get in every single time you nod your head and that
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will grab a hold of a guy like, like the addiction to engaging
in and executing that. Fight.
It really does, you know, grab aguy.
I love it. And so then you mix the
camaraderie of going down the road and you're, you, you, you
do show up to usually every rodeo is that town's party.
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And so that that was never what drew me to the sport.
A lot of those towns might treatyou like a rock star, but that
for me, it was between the bareback and the bull riding,
which is the first and last event.
Like that's what excited me. I mean, I'm I'm trying to get
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some sleep to get ready for the next day after the rodeo.
Like I enjoy the fellowship withwith with and the camaraderie
side of it with my guys. But like, I'm not there to get
drunk and stay up and. Like that's.
AI don't know. My dad made a comment whenever I
was a kid about some guys. We were at a rodeo and they were
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smoking weed, I think, but indulging whatever.
It was more a conversation. He, he there were some guys
partying a little too hard at this rodeo I was at with him.
But he told me about a similar scenario when he was younger,
before I was born and some guys kind of making fun of him for
not. And he said, yeah, but I bet
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I'll be doing it a lot longer than you will.
And and that was just more the longevity side of it and the
health side of it rather than the moral side of it.
But, but both, you know, like mywalk with the Lord was first and
foremost, and then also now the health side of it, which I don't
know, there could be an argumentto be.
I mean, we're, we're rodeo Cowboys.
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So you know, but I guess. You know, it is as dangerous as
it is and as many injuries as you might incur, like, they're
still like, I'm going to pick mypoison like this is dangerous
enough. So I'm going to treat my body.
The way it needs to be treated for it.
Outside of rodeo and content creation, what is 1 random skill
that you have that would surprise people?
What's something about Dale Brisby that they don't know?
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By the way, is there is there a missus old son or is there like
a? Married to the game baby.
Yeah, that's right. Trapping.
I like to trap, Yeah, I don't really have a hunt a little bit
a dabble in in that. But outside of like anything
cowboy related, the only other thing I would say would like I I
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enjoy trap. I don't know that I'm really
that good at it. Trapping varmints in city limits
is super easy because every house has cat food put out.
And so all you got to do is set the trap in the vicinity, put
some cat food in it. And so those are that's that's
relatively easy, I guess. Me being good at it just means
that kind of like rodeo, I just like don't give up and so but
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I've trapped. Before I just had to leave town
for a week, I was keeping track and I caught 37 skunks in 23
days or something like that and I've caught 74 on the year.
Either it's amazing or or or. Killed.
Those are just skunks. This town is just overran by
skunks and anyhow raccoons possums so.
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I like to I like here lately I've been into real into varmint
hunting, but. I love that I I mean I don't
want to sound too much like a bad ass but I mean I one time
fed a horse with a carrot and was only slightly afraid.
Is that on on like meet a cowboy?
Like how close? Yeah, yeah, you're getting
there. OK.
Yeah. That's I mean that that is where
it starts for most 2 year olds, you know.
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Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
I won't, I won't admit that. I was like 37 and I was like,
OK, so it's got a it's got a bigface and teeth.
Hit me with this. What is the biggest
misperception that people have of you or Cowboys in general?
Me personally, you know, one of my videos that I've made is You
Ain't no Cowboy, being the expert on all things cowboy.
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And so I'd like to tell the world in my videos the ways in
which maybe you is or you ain't no cowboy.
And so the misperception would be that it doesn't hurt my
feelings when a kid runs up to me and yells that to me at a
booth, hurts my feelings so bad.No, but no.
We made a video years ago. It was I was doing a tour of my
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first gym pickup. And what's on it?
What's in it, where it came from?
Well, quickly in the video at the beginning, I said, oh, yeah.
And if you don't have picking strings on your headache rack,
you ain't no cowboy. And so I was like, oh, I'm going
to keep going with that. And and so here we are years
later, and that's what, you know, one of the things I'm
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known for, that's that guy who tells people on the Internet,
you ain't no cowboy. But I would never actually tell
somebody that in real life. You know, it would just the way
it started and it fit everythingI was doing at the time.
And so, yeah, little kids tell me that all the time.
And I was like, Dang, I did thatto myself.
But misperception about being a about the cowboy world in
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general, I would say that we don't care about animals.
People think, would think that. Yeah, the whole like ropes over
the Bulls testicles, kind of. Stuff.
Yeah, I. Mean that that's like a
technical misconception of like how, you know, they think that
to get a bull to buck, they'll need to experience pain.
And so they just assumed that that flank going underneath
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their belly must be tied as and it's not it's those animals are
going to buck anyway. The flank gives them something
to kick at. You know, bulls are guys will
spend fifty 100,200 thousand on a bucking bull, you know, and so
you want you want him to performbetter and better and better and
better. And if he's experiencing pain,
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he's not going to perform better.
Same thing with a horse. Some of the bucking horses are
mares. So there's nothing to tie it to
if if that was the case. And so that's a, that's a
misperception of part of it. But the, the, the, the bigger
misconception is that we just don't care about them.
I think that there is an order of creation and I think that
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humans are the most important thing that God created and that
he created animals for man. And so I've got no problem
hunting a deer to eat. And those are usually the people
that care the most for it. Like I've got a buddy that's an
avid bow hunter and there's a respect it's to make sure that
the herdest then for he feeds them like it's it's they're
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better for the environment overall, even though they also
will kill an animal to eat it orgive it to the hungry or
whatever. But there's a the I think the
most frustrating thing that exists in this world in my mind,
the thing I get the most aggravated at is someone who
might be a pro-choice vegan. The fact that that person exists
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and vegan for the moral, for themoral reasons.
To me, that is the most absurd line of thinking that that that
exists. So I would be the opposite of
that. You know, I just think there's
an order and I'd, I think that there's no reason to cause
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unnecessary harm to an animal. No reason.
Yeah, like, you shouldn't just you shouldn't hit horses.
You shouldn't. I will say, if a horse bites me,
there's a small moment in there for a learning.
Discipline is different than. Abuse, I'll use the base of my
hand for their cheek. Like if it's right there, if he
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bites me, I'm going to like right real hard, right on his
cheek to where he knows like bite is that now if it's the
next day, now you're just, that's not, you know what I'm
saying? Like, yeah, that's right.
He bit me yesterday. So I'm at no, that's, that's
ridiculous. But regardless, like there's
some small moments there where Ithink it might be whatever.
But the my, my point is is like I, I don't believe in
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unnecessary. Even these animals that I'm
trapping the skunks. We've got a, a rabies problem
with skunks in young county. We've got the possums.
It's called EPM. There's a disease they can give
horses. They'll they'll get in their
feet at night and they'll pee onit.
Or hey, it's any varmint can do that.
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And I've, I lost a horse this year to EPM.
So those are easy for me. Like if you're a possum in my
vicinity, I'm going to kill you because I if you make me pick
between you and the horse. So that's a big misconception.
We don't care about animals. I definitely care about animals.
There's just no question as to like which one's more important
between an animal and a human. Like the, the conversation of
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like, you know, like the, the political, like your political
arch nemesis or your dog, like which one goes and they pick
the, the, the art And I'm just like, OK, tongue in cheek.
I get the joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But whatever arch nemesis I havepolitically, dude, I'm shooting
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my dog. Like, if you, if I have to
choose like a human, life is waymore important.
I'm sorry, but the dog's got to go.
Yeah. And I don't, I think that not,
and I don't know, I, I think that there's people out there
that wouldn't think like that. Oh, yeah, totally.
Yeah, totally. Tell me about, you've done some
big things in the past. Is there anything that you're
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really excited about coming up that you can share with us?
If it's under wrap still, you don't have to do it, but
anything as far as like, hey, we're thinking about doing this
or this is kind of the next phase or step, anything that
you're really excited about coming up?
No, I don't. I don't have anything even under
wrap. I mean, I just, I've got a
podcast, I've got YouTube and I love making content.
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I enjoy it so much. Hopefully in five years and 10
years, I, my schedule is the exact same as it is right now.
Like I just, I get to do the same things I do everyday, which
is just make good content. So that that's what I have.
Yeah. I mean, I really, I, I have,
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I've, I've had a podcast for several years, since like 2017,
so 8 years. But I kind of poured gas on that
fire over the last 12 months even more.
So we put out two a week. Let's go.
This is the first week we haven't put out at least two.
At one time we were putting out three a week, but it's been like
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seven months. It's been at least two or three
a week and same thing with the vlogs.
I just, I love them both equally.
So that that's that's just my game is content.
I love it, dude. I love that.
Talk to me about is there a cowboy code or a philosophy that
you or Cowboys try to live by? In my mind, and I think this is
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kind of a popular conception as well, Cowboys that there's kind
of this Venn diagram of tough and rumble and aggressive and
whatever, but also live by a code.
Honest, got each other's backs. What what would you say as far
as like a cowboy code or anything like that?
I think the cowboy code that people refer to is more is
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Christianity. OK.
With an outdoor rugged toughnessattached to it.
So and, and I think that most Cowboys within in our history,
we're Christian men and so there's that value system at the
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base of it. But then like there's also, you
know, a good cowboy in a certainsituation with horses or cows,
there's a few things attached tolike what makes a good cowboy,
you know, like obviously hard work, but then, you know, never
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quitting an aggression in a moment, like a like an attack
mentality to a problem. And I mean like literally
attack. So like we got to get this calf
down. Like how you approach that
situation. We've got to ride this bronc
that's bucking. How you, you know, just the look
in your eye to get the job done,whether it's like something
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simple, like, you know, catchinga cow in a, in a squeeze chute
or my buddies bucking horse justfell over and I got to get on
top of this bucking horse beforemy buddy gets drugged to death,
you know, like just that type ofsituation.
So there's, there's an there's a, there's a I'm willing to use
my hands to get a a very difficult job done mentality
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that Cowboys have. But I would say that that that
the most consistent followers ofthe cowboy code are the ones
that are the most consistent followers of Jesus.
And most Cowboys historically are cowboy are, are Christians.
And so I think that's why I think Cowboys have a good
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reputation. And I don't want to separate
that there. There's there's probably some
Cowboys out there that may not be Christians, but they have a
lot of pride attached to their identity as a cowboy.
And so that they might try to attach a value system to that
way of life. But for me, it's, it's not
separate. Yeah, I think that it's a walk
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with God is in line. And that makes me a good cowboy.
Yeah, I appreciate that. Two things that, you know, I I'm
trying to impress you with my cowboy skills.
One time I had a lasso and I tried to throw it around my
friend and it hit him in the eyeand he went to the hospital.
Another time I tried to get on ahorse statue and ripped my
pants. Either of those get me any
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closer we. Got some.
We got some work to do. OK, First off, phrasing.
We don't call them lassos. OK, See.
I mean so. Step one this is.
Why This is why so like you havethis cool picture.
If I had that, I'd just be like standing on some books and so it
wouldn't be as cool. So I'm trying to get there and
I'm. Learning.
We can work on it. But let's what do.
You call it. What do you?
It's not a lasso. What do you call?
It, I mean, it's a rope. Yeah.
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Well, yeah, obviously, right, Yeah.
So let's work on some of that off camera.
I don't. Want you to embarrass yourself?
Yeah, that's fair. Any more than you've already
have. Which I, which, which I, I do
often. All right, give me the, give me
here. Here's my last one.
So obviously I know nothing about being a cowboy.
And there might be people watching this though.
They're like, hey, that's kind of interesting.
I've always wanted to do that orI've seen that or whatever.
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If I wanted to become one or somebody else wanted to become
one or they wanted to start going down that path, 2
questions. What would they most struggle
with and how would they get started?
You would have to approach it with a, with a humility, because
the, the, the biggest thing thatthey're going to probably
struggle with is comparing themselves to other people, You
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know, whether it's rodeo or ranching.
What what happens in rodeo is I get because of the nature of my
program. I, I my interns, they work for
me and to drive my vehicles to be on my insurance they need to
be 21. So I get 22 year olds in here
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that have not ever done this thing before.
They're usually athletic and they've probably good at sports.
Yeah, look at. This guy's arms are like legs.
Look at. This dude, this one is maybe the
most athletic that I've got. So what I.
Observe is that they try to ridea bull and they're used to being
good at something pretty quick, especially when they have
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someone to compare themselves to.
You go you go into football as afreshman, whatever school you're
in, like if you can do one pull up, then you're going to be one
of the top players on that team.You know what I mean?
You can be able to do 100 pull ups in bull riding and it does
not matter. I mean, like that's a start.
You need to be able to handle your own body weight, but like
you could struggle for a long time.
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And so if you're, you know, if you're used to being good at
something in two weeks, like youpick up a video game 2K and all
of a sudden you're really good after two weeks, that ain't the
case with bull riding and it's not the case with riding horses.
It takes years and miles and miles.
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Like you've got to literally rubleather off of the, the tree of
a saddle of like, like, all right, I've gone through this
entire saddle. I've now bought another saddle.
You're starting to understand what it means to ride a horse.
And that's what I think most people struggle with is that
this is if you're trying to what's the, what's the term
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like, not get rich quick, but like just a quick satisfaction
type activity. This ain't it.
And then also most of the jobs that you get in this industry,
whether it's ranching or rodeo, do not pay well.
Now you can get creative and there's there's some ways in
which you can but like if you'rewanting to get into rodeo or
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ranching, like. You just got to be OK with not
having money for a time unless you've made, I mean, unless
you've made it elsewhere, which there's a lot of people that
come into it and you'll see themget into like cutting horses.
You know, they've got a crazy amount of money.
And so they hire a trainer and they get the expensive horses
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and they get into cutting horses, which is great and a
great industry. And those people can learn.
But that's not normally the typeof people that I end up helping.
It's normally a 22 year old withno money and, and they're trying
to learn the thing to make theirmoney.
Got it. And so they got to just kind of
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have like kind of burn the boat's mentality, but then also
be humble enough to realize likethis going to take some time.
And there's a process here that I can't skip.
Like you, you, you can read about learning to sit a horse.
There's three gates that a horsehas a walk, a trot and a lope.
The walk is A4 beat gate, meaning like it's the smoothest
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anybody can ride a walk. He's got a different foot on the
ground at any given time. 4 beats.
Skip to the lope. That's a A3 beat gate.
If you watch a horse like it's, that's because it's three.
There's it's a three beat gate. It's it's the next easiest to
ride. Well, the trot is the middle one
and it's A2 beat gate front, right, back, left, front, left,
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back, right. And to learn to sit a trot it
which is the cowboy gate. You go gather a 10,000 acre
pasture. You're going to travel at least
12 miles to get those cows gathered.
Well, you can't walk everywhere.It would take 9 hours.
You can't lope everywhere. Your horse is done in 9 minutes.
So you got a trot, and to sit that trot for 12 miles.
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That's what takes years. You can't just go do that.
Like if you went and did that, if you went and sat a trot for
12 miles, like it would, I mean,you just wouldn't make it.
Yeah, it would. You'd you'd bounce yourself out
of the saddle. Yeah.
And you can't read about that and learn it and go do it.
Dude, I had a buddy that was getting married and I was like,
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do we need to have like a birds and the bees talk?
And he's like, you know, I've read some books and I'm like,
it's. Easier.
It's no, no, not the same. That one's easier to figure out.
That one's easier to figure out than sit in a truck.
That's right, I. Guarantee you.
I guarantee you, yeah. It's just it's it.
There's things in life that it'seven different than throwing a
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football. Yeah.
Like I mean within a week you can understand and be executing
you're. Just going to have to do
fundamental movements for a longtime till you use football.
Yeah, you're signing up for the suck.
You're signing up for a a seasonof just pain and doing it.
And you might never get rich. Who can endure?
The suck. That's right.
Who can make it through to the other side of the suck?
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It's it's once you get to a certain I tell there's a joke,
Mickey Mantle said about baseball.
Lyle Sankey said it about bull riding.
It's 90% mental and the rest is in your head unless you're fat.
If you're fat. You got to lose weight.
You got to get to where you can do pull ups and push ups and
handle your own body weight. It's a physical event.
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Once you get there, it is 90% mental and the rest is in your
head. Part of that is overcoming the
fear and executing fundamentals.The other side of it is when you
fail, you're able to just get back up and keep trying no
matter what. And the the people that can do
those two things I think are theones that make it in, in rodeo
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and in ranching. I love it.
And then lastly is just how longcan you survive being broke?
Yeah. So that I mean it's but it's a
romantic thing that people, you know, the idea of like you're
making your living going down the road rodeo and that's right.
And you're, you're on to the next one and you know, it's, you
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don't know there's not a guaranteed paycheck at every
rodeo. And then the idea of like making
your living gathering those cowsin the 10,000 acre pasture and,
and roping doggies and Mavericksand like it's, it's a romantic
lifestyle And, and they're suck within both of those.
The rodeo cowboy experiences a lot of pain.
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You can have a successful ride and still experience pain.
The ranching cowboy like they don't normally take a day off
right, not even for weather. So you're out in it, you're
sleeping on the ground. Sometimes there's and so like
there's this, people don't know what they're signing up for when
they asked me to join this lifestyle like.
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Right. One time I made a video how to
get started ranching. Just a quick my my my Netflix
series called How to be a Cowboy.
But I was like years before that.
Well, we had a cow die. I had a flat tire.
Something got out. The weather was terrible.
And in at one point in this video, I never put the video
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out. It was just a terrible, you
know, day. And one point in this video I
was like, how to get started ranching?
Don't. And it was just one of those
days. And.
That's most of the time, you know, and, and for me, it is
rewarding. I love to sit a trot.
There's, you know, you ride up on a sunset or a sunrise and you
know, it's fun to rope Mavericksin Arizona and it's, it's fun to
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ride Bronx. So it's worth it if you can
endure the suck. But some people get out and
they're just like, dude, I this is not fun this side of it's
not, you know, or I can go work way less for more money in a
different industry. Yeah, in AC and not break your
back. 100% like I can go, you know, I can go be an electrician
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or, you know, not even like, noteven like a like a lawyer job or
something like electricians makemore than most Cowboys, you
know. And so there's a a naivety that
a lot of people that walk into the industry have that once they
realize that, you know, they're,they, they walk away from it,
but. I love it dude.
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That's super, super helpful. I I appreciate you taking the
time chatting with us, talking alittle bit about life as a
cowboy. Check out Dale Brisby.
He is on all the social media platforms.
Check out Rodeo time. And dude, thanks for letting me
chat with you today. Yeah, thanks for having me
anytime. We'll do it again sometime.
Let's do it. Thanks.
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We'll see you again on ideological.
Welcome to another edition of Ideological.
I am your host, Zach Lee, and weare in sunny Winnebago, Texas.
And I am here with the man, the myth, the legend, Dale Brisby.
Dale, thanks for being on the show.
Thanks for having me. Dude, I'm, I'm, I'm excited.
So one of the things I'm I'm excited about in this interview
is how little I know about cowboy culture and how little I
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know about, I don't know if you can tell from like the flowers
on my shirt, but I don't know a ton about cowboying, but you do.
And for those of you that don't know, I mean, many of you will
know who Dale is. He's kind of a big deal, to
quote Ron Burgundy, host of Rodeo Time.
He's got a show on Netflix. He's been on Joe Rogan.
He basically invented bull riding.
But before we jump in, I want togive a quick disclaimer that by
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being on the show, Dale is not endorsing anything else that I
do. So if I do something that makes
you mad or is not apropos, get mad at me and not Dale.
Dale, for people that don't knowwho you are, tell us about
yourself. Many people will, but who are
you? Don't be shy, don't be humbled,
just shoot them straight. Oh yeah, it is.
I am one of the most humble people that you'll meet, you
(01:15):
know. And you don't even know how
humble. Yeah, that's not something
you're going to hear me brag about either.
But I I am the world's greatest bull rider and rancher.
I, you know, help a lot of youngpeople climb the ladder of
success in rodeo because I am the greatest and so that's what
you get to see on my YouTube a lot of ranching, a lot of rodeo.
(01:35):
But yeah, I I grew up either. If I wasn't horseback, I was
bull back. My my dad was a cowboy.
And I like to describe my dad asa mix between Billy Graham and
John Wayne. He's he's Gustus.
He's he's Woodrow more than thanGus.
And so, yeah, kind of a strict Christian cowboy.
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So that that was the upbringing I got to, I got to go through.
And so, but yeah, these days I just raising cows and bucking
stock here on Radiator Ranch in Winnebago, Texas, and we turn on
the camera every now and then. I love it.
Someone told me that you actually got steaks from
Bodacious, so I don't know if that was.
(02:22):
Yeah, yeah. You know, I had a lot more head
to head matchups with his brother Doe Bacious, who was way
more rank. But yeah, I love it.
All right. Well, very cool.
So again, I'm, I don't know muchabout this space, but I want you
to chat with us a little bit about how did you get started in
Rodeo, but then also how did youget started as a content
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creator? Rodeo, I was really born into
it, you know, at that, just around it a lot.
And at the age of nine years old, I rode my first bull and
invented riding bulls with one hand.
So a lot of guys were riding with two hands and I just felt
like that was too easy. And yeah, we had to shorten it
to 8 seconds for everyone else, but that was no issue for me.
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But no, my dad was, yeah, I grewup around it.
He he worked for a stock contractor.
He grew up in Lubbock and workedfor Charlie Thompson starting
when he was like 14 years old and started at the D rigging
shoot and eventually worked his way up to the shoots and then
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pick up man bullfighter. And then he did all the rough
stock events, bareback SATA bronc bull riding.
And so anyway, he, he, he was, he would help Charlie put on
rodeos all over and, and, and hegot to be real handy with
anything that involved the production of a rodeo and then,
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you know, participating in them as well.
And, and when I came around, youknow, he was, he was off to
other jobs ranching and he eventually taught AG in high
school, but we were always horseback and there was a lot of
rodeo involved. And so as a kid, it was just
something that I wanted to do and got on my first Bronx when I
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was in high school, got on a fewbulls.
And then same in college, kind of picked up the pace and then
kept going after college. And here we are.
So now I, I've always had a little bit of a, for some, I
think it's important when you'rea rodeoing, I think it's
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important to get on as much as possible for practice.
And so I've always postured myself in a position to have a
practice band, whether it was, you know, in college I helped a
guy that was a team Roper and helet me use his arena.
And then later I would, you know, put together a ragtag
arena and had a few practice horses and, and now I've got a
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pretty nice powder. River.
Set up with, you know, more practice horses and bulls.
I say that to say my dad would coach me and I would have this
practice band. And so I was always helping
people get started in rodeo, geton their first bull, first bronc
and, and you know, you, you got to have a lot of people to do
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that. And so it was always me and five
or six other guys that would be practicing.
And that has continued on for, you know, the last two decades
of my life where now I'm, I'm, I'm still able to do that
through my intern program. If you watch my content, I've
got a, you know, a gang of, you know, a dozen guys and girls
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that, that all participate in rodeo and, and once a week,
twice a week will go practice. And so I, I think that's
important for rodeo Cowboys and on the ranching side of things.
When I was born, we, we lived onthe Pitchfork Ranch.
It's over close to Guthrie, TX and we were at W camp and we're
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just, I mean, I wasn't old enough to even realize where we
were. But when he when my dad went to
on to where I would grow up in Memphis, he managed a small
ranch there and which is what would help build the foundation
of the cowboy side of what I did.
And so I feel like I was always a cowboy before I was a rodeo
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cowboy. And so that that which I think
is important. There's a there's an element
there that that, you know, is good to have in the rodeo arena.
But yeah, so both rodeo and ranch and my dad helped lay that
foundation in my life. And and so it's it's good to get
to give back to younger people now and help them with their
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foundation in it. I love it.
How did you get the content creation?
Because you you told. That was the other one.
Yeah, you're good. I was prank phone calling a lot
of people. It's starting in like 2010 and
had a Facebook and then I pranked phone called people for
three years and would just post like more like a tweet on
Facebook. Just a story, just a text, you
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know, caption post. But then in 2013, my buddy
turned on the camera and we madethe first video.
And that got released July 1st, 2013.
And so that was, that was the birth of the YouTube channel I
had made. I'd already had a Facebook.
There weren't any videos on it. And so the first video was July.
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And there was a buddy of mine, Mitch Montgomery, that posted it
and sent me the the the usernameand login.
And so yeah, I'm forever grateful for Mitch.
I'd kind of already started content but it was just super
low key. And now you've got, I mean
millions of followers across thedifferent platforms and such.
(07:55):
So it's it's certainly taken off.
Well, it, you know, 12 years so.It takes 12 years to have
overnight success. North of a decade.
So there's there's definitely been some moments that helped
Bill. You know, every collaboration,
every podcast, every piece of content is a brick in building
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the brand. And so we've had some bricks
that were much larger. You know, one of the first ones
that was a big momentum jump forme was a YouTube named Jared
Outlaw. And he had hit a million
subscribers and he wanted to geton a bull for it.
And he told me he was like this.You know, when we do this, it'll
you make a video too. And he said it'll be a big jump,
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but you got to push hard and andthat was a huge jump for my for
my, my YouTube. And which I think is the found
should be the foundation for everyone's content in a long
form. Then you build the short form on
top of it. Regardless, he was right.
And turns out like you've got togo that hard all the time.
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You know, it does help after a after a big collaboration, but.
You. Know Fast forward and and
helping him get on a bull was inmy wheelhouse.
So like then we're just we turn on the camera to something I've
already been doing for 20 years and but Fast forward, you know,
the Netflix show was another bigbrick this summer.
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We got I got to help put Tyler Tony of dude perfect on a bull
and huge that's that that was for YouTube specifically.
That was a bigger brick than Netflix YouTube specifically
because it was on that platform.And so that was super neat to
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get to do and which I know a lotof you guys I know Jamin knows
those guys. You might, You might.
Know who I know? A couple of.
Them all great dudes. Tyler is super athletic.
I do think bull riding was harder than he expected, but,
but Tyler also did way better than I think everyone else
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expected. So I kind of, I kind of thought
he was probably going to be pretty good.
So I, I was, I feel like I was right on the money like he did.
He did really well, but that wasa neat collaboration.
But those are all bricks. And you know, we can, I can
sometimes put out just a single piece of content that ends up
being a large brick for me. I don't mind if it is or it
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isn't because I love what I do. I probably the one of the most
offensive things somebody's commented on one of my posts,
like the maddest. It's it's definitely I've not
ever gotten that mad that quick at something somebody wrote this
summer. I realized I could ride one of
my bulls, meaning like with a saddle and I put that saddle on
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him and I had wanted to gather cows on a bull.
I didn't know what bull it was. I was like, that would be neat
to gather a set of cows on a bull like, you know, he's going
to be like like trying to keep, but I didn't know what bull and
and this bull that I can ride like I can't guide him really,
but I he just doesn't care that I'm on his back.
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And so it looks like he's super broke because he's being dog
gentle, but it's really just more like position the camera
where he wants to go. Yeah.
And you know, he just doesn't care.
I'm on his back. If he wants to go that way, he's
going to go that way. And so it's it wasn't realistic
for me to gather a set of cows. And I looked over and I saw this
little one to two acre trap I got where I had a few bulls and
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I was like, that's what I want to do.
I want to gather bulls on a bull.
And immediately made me a littlenervous, which I like.
That's where we should find ourselves, if not daily, weekly,
like we got, you know, do something to make you nervous,
do hard things, you know, with or without a camera on.
But I was like, we got to do this.
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And so, and I can tell how, you know, any bull, the, the, the
friendliest of bull, when he gets put into a patch with
another bull, he's going to buttheads with them, whether playful
or not. Like that's just what they're
going to do. And most of the time it's not
playful. But this one's pretty friendly.
Most of those in there are pretty friendly, but I know
they're going to fight a little and sure enough they butt heads
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and it pushes me back and it's pretty comical.
Well, then he immediately turns and goes back out of the
pasture. We had not shut the gate and
these three bulls start following me and I get nervous
and about 40 yards out of the gate I realize where he's going
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and it's a dead end. It's an alley with a dead end.
And there's three bulls behind me.
One of them, I wasn't worried about bats.
He he didn't care. But the other two, Freebase and
Beaver, they mean it. And you can hear the concern in
my voice. I'm wearing Ray band metas.
My buddy is behind the bulls following filming.
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He's not chasing them. Like they don't care that he's
back there. He's trying to catch up.
And ANYWAYS, got like crazy, gotlike 10 million views on
Instagram, but somebody commented like, and it's the
first time anybody's really evercommented this, otherwise I'd
remember. But this is what happens when
you do things for the views. And Long story short, like, it
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was just, I was super offended. Oh, yeah.
And I wish I wouldn't have blocked him, but immediately
blocked him. Like it made me so mad because
like, anybody that's close to meknows that like, this is
something I would do without thecamera 100%.
Like, I grew up riding bulls, riding Bronx fighting bulls,
like. You did it and it led to fame.
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It wasn't done for fame. And they're a. 1000 percent,
1000% if if you call this fame, whatever.
But the point is, is like, no, this is something we would have
done without the cameras. I just happened.
That's just also how I make my living.
And so I have since that commenthas been made.
Like I try to say that often because if anything ever does
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happen to me, like I don't want the Instagram page influencers
in the wild to have the headlinelike guy who's trying to get
fused. No, no, no, no.
This guy's living his best life.That's right.
He occasionally films it. Yeah.
And some, you know, and then then follow with what happened.
I love it. It's just like Mavericks.
That was a big brick for us. We catch a Mavericks in Arizona.
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Like I went with Derek Begay outon an Indian Reservation for
couple 100,000 acres to catch these wild cows.
And that's cool. So we filmed it because it's so
interesting. Right?
The most dangerous thing I've done.
More dangerous than the bull thing, I think.
But we just, we filmed it because it's so interesting and
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but that's something I would do with or without the cameras and
anyway. I love that.
I got to go on record with that.I find myself trying to tell
everybody about that. This good?
I love it. I one time had some friends
trick me into eating calf fries.Would you say that that is like
my first step? Maybe in being a cowboy or some
Rocky Mountain oysters. You said chicken Nuggets.
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Not if you're having to get tricked into eating them.
That's fair. That's fair.
That's a city slicker thing. If you'll voluntarily, you know
no, grab them. Not them as a branch, not.
After my first now I was like, these are delicious and they're
like, you know what these are? And I'm like, I will literally
murder you and your family. No, they're so good.
They're so good. OK, so bull riding is one of the
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more dangerous activities in allof sports.
Yeah, you could die. Yes, you could.
Yeah. That's so that's that's up
there. You know, this is not just a
sprained ankle. This is not a LeBron flop.
This is like a what is the draw that people have with bull
riding? And what is the worst injury
that you've seen? The draw, I think I mean well,
the first, the the worst injury is, is easy, like death.
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Not a close friend of mine, but just like I've known him.
I shook his hand. And then 2nd to that, I've got a
good friend that was paralyzed. 2 friends.
I think they're both the waist down.
Yeah, they are, which is super scary.
Is it from how you land or do they get stepped on or what?
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Like I know it can happen. But one, I don't know, I've not
ever seen the video or asked him.
I know it's they're both from bareback riding, which is a
bucking horse event. The other one, Gerard Verzain,
he's like, he had been to the NFR 6 times when this happened
in, in Pasadena and the horse just flipped over straight
backwards. And so it, it just crunched him
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like this. I think it qualifies as like a
freak accident, but obviously like you're going to do that
thing. And so it is like, we all know
it could happen. So, so those are the worst
injuries. You know, like there's all kinds
of there's another one, a guy got hung up.
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Anyway, enough about that. Whatever.
But that that's what could go wrong.
Is it facing that fear? Is it?
Is it just the? For some people, I think there's
a lot of people that they want to be the cool guy in the room
that does the hard thing, you know, and once you're on the
back of an animal, you, you giveup a lot of control and.
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It looks easy. There's guys that ride like
myself, JB Mooney, you know, John Krember, like you see these
guys on Bulls. It looks like, oh, I'm athletic,
I could do a pull up. I played high school football.
I was, you know, whatever I could.
I can do that and it's crazy. It it is it's.
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Asinine. The people that think that they
can just do that, like nobody can just do it, first of all.
So I think there is just a naivety to to the uneducated eye
didn't. You say Cowboys are running
ahead. Try like you're talking about
one of the best athletes in the world if you're AUFC.
Fighter, UFC Hall of Famer, Likehe didn't just go to the Octagon
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once or twice. Like, he's got the most bouts in
the UFC. He had gotten on like half a
dozen in high school. And like, yeah, he though his
approach to it, he was just like, yeah, I'm going to just
muscle it. I'm just going to go ride these
bulls like. How long would he lat?
Like how long did he lat? Did he ride one with you or
around? You I mean he rode like a bull
we call birthday cake, but like,you know, but but like a buck
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and bull, you know, even Tyler Tony, people are calling him
like the greatest overall athlete of all time, Like he is
an athlete. He's he's he's above average and
can do a lot of things really well.
And we put him on half a dozen bulls and we stair stepped it
and then he got on my Rinkus bull at a rodeo and didn't last
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two jumps. You know, it's just it, it's,
it's so hard to do. But for some reason people don't
see that. So there's the the the the lure
of like, I can do that, you know, and they can't.
There's people that want to be the coolest guy in the room.
They also want to do something else to make people think
they're cool. But then there is I think the
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this is a a hard thing and I like to try to do hard things
approach that people that like to there, there are people that
like to challenge themselves, you know, and I think, and then
for some people, maybe they, they think all three things.
That's the draw. I think what keeps someone in it
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is usually the third thing, you know, like it is a battle, it's
a mental battle. There's there's fundamentals to
bull riding the bull. Every bull moves forward, even
when they turn back, they're they're going forward in a small
circle. And so.
The force is pushing you back. Well, then they kick.
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So if you just like sit on a bull, he jumps out of the chute,
you're the first thing you're going to do is roll back on your
pockets of your pants and then they're going to kick.
So it's going to dashboard you forward.
So you've you've got to go to the front.
Well, that's where his horns are.
And so the fundamentals of bull riding are counterintuitive.
So the mental battle is overcoming what your body
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naturally wants to do and forcing yourself to get near the
scary. Is that a fair?
Yeah, for sure. So like the emotion of fear
wants you like, no, we got to get away from his head.
What are you doing going to the front?
Well, I'm trying to ride the bull.
And so if you can, in the midst of these all three of the all
four of the restock events, bullfighting being one of them, the
4th one, that's that's how that works like and and I think it
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works. That's probably how it works in
a lot of things, a lot of other sports and extreme things that
you'll do. Like the main thing you're
supposed to do is what your bodyis telling you not to do, which
is your intuition. Yeah, that's campaigns talking
about rushing a shot or Jocko talking about want to ring a
bell or whatever. It's, it's, it's fighting that.
Well, even more specifically, the Jocko.
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It's just like when you. Round a corner.
You know, when you need to move forward, like you don't just
poke your head around and with your eyeball and then you, you
know, hopefully like, you know, shoot a gun like you've got to
like offense is the best defensekind of mentality.
So anyway, the point is there's a mental battle because if you
let your fear of like this bull,let's say, for instance, that
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let's let's use the most ultimate, this bull killed my
buddy on the previous outs, which which is technically
possible. Somebody else had to get on that
bull at the next bull ride. So there's this fear like no,
no, no, I've got to accept that that's possible, move forward or
or ignore it and act like it's not.
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Regardless, it's still there andis possible, however you decide
to deal with it and then executethe fundamentals.
And so there that's a battle every single time.
And there's some events like bronc riding where bull riding,
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like if, if, if you can just cover your bulls like and get a
high riding percentage, like you're winning checks.
Bronc riding is a little unique because like everybody rides
their Bronx. Like you can't just stay on.
Like you've got to spur, you've got to turn your toes out, you
got to drag, you've got to lift properly.
You've got to stay in timing with the animal and you've got
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to have style as you do it. So you got to overcome that fear
and also perform. I don't want to say it's harder
than bull riding because like any ANYWAYS, they're just two
different events. But the point is, is like, you
got to execute fundamentals and there's a mental battle there
that you get in every single time you nod your head and that
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will grab a hold of a guy like, like the addiction to engaging
in and executing that. Fight.
It really does, you know, grab aguy.
I love it. And so then you mix the
camaraderie of going down the road and you're, you, you, you
do show up to usually every rodeo is that town's party.
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And so that that was never what drew me to the sport.
A lot of those towns might treatyou like a rock star, but that
for me, it was between the bareback and the bull riding,
which is the first and last event.
Like that's what excited me. I mean, I'm I'm trying to get
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some sleep to get ready for the next day after the rodeo.
Like I enjoy the fellowship withwith with and the camaraderie
side of it with my guys. But like, I'm not there to get
drunk and stay up and. Like that's.
AI don't know. My dad made a comment whenever I
was a kid about some guys. We were at a rodeo and they were
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smoking weed, I think, but indulging whatever.
It was more a conversation. He, he there were some guys
partying a little too hard at this rodeo I was at with him.
But he told me about a similar scenario when he was younger,
before I was born and some guys kind of making fun of him for
not. And he said, yeah, but I bet
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I'll be doing it a lot longer than you will.
And and that was just more the longevity side of it and the
health side of it rather than the moral side of it.
But, but both, you know, like mywalk with the Lord was first and
foremost, and then also now the health side of it, which I don't
know, there could be an argumentto be.
I mean, we're, we're rodeo Cowboys.
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So you know, but I guess. You know, it is as dangerous as
it is and as many injuries as you might incur, like, they're
still like, I'm going to pick mypoison like this is dangerous
enough. So I'm going to treat my body.
The way it needs to be treated for it.
Outside of rodeo and content creation, what is 1 random skill
that you have that would surprise people?
What's something about Dale Brisby that they don't know?
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By the way, is there is there a missus old son or is there like
a? Married to the game baby.
Yeah, that's right. Trapping.
I like to trap, Yeah, I don't really have a hunt a little bit
a dabble in in that. But outside of like anything
cowboy related, the only other thing I would say would like I I
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enjoy trap. I don't know that I'm really
that good at it. Trapping varmints in city limits
is super easy because every house has cat food put out.
And so all you got to do is set the trap in the vicinity, put
some cat food in it. And so those are that's that's
relatively easy, I guess. Me being good at it just means
that kind of like rodeo, I just like don't give up and so but
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I've trapped. Before I just had to leave town
for a week, I was keeping track and I caught 37 skunks in 23
days or something like that and I've caught 74 on the year.
Either it's amazing or or or. Killed.
Those are just skunks. This town is just overran by
skunks and anyhow raccoons possums so.
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I like to I like here lately I've been into real into varmint
hunting, but. I love that I I mean I don't
want to sound too much like a bad ass but I mean I one time
fed a horse with a carrot and was only slightly afraid.
Is that on on like meet a cowboy?
Like how close? Yeah, yeah, you're getting
there. OK.
Yeah. That's I mean that that is where
it starts for most 2 year olds, you know.
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Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
I won't, I won't admit that. I was like 37 and I was like,
OK, so it's got a it's got a bigface and teeth.
Hit me with this. What is the biggest
misperception that people have of you or Cowboys in general?
Me personally, you know, one of my videos that I've made is You
Ain't no Cowboy, being the expert on all things cowboy.
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And so I'd like to tell the world in my videos the ways in
which maybe you is or you ain't no cowboy.
And so the misperception would be that it doesn't hurt my
feelings when a kid runs up to me and yells that to me at a
booth, hurts my feelings so bad.No, but no.
We made a video years ago. It was I was doing a tour of my
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first gym pickup. And what's on it?
What's in it, where it came from?
Well, quickly in the video at the beginning, I said, oh, yeah.
And if you don't have picking strings on your headache rack,
you ain't no cowboy. And so I was like, oh, I'm going
to keep going with that. And and so here we are years
later, and that's what, you know, one of the things I'm
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known for, that's that guy who tells people on the Internet,
you ain't no cowboy. But I would never actually tell
somebody that in real life. You know, it would just the way
it started and it fit everythingI was doing at the time.
And so, yeah, little kids tell me that all the time.
And I was like, Dang, I did thatto myself.
But misperception about being a about the cowboy world in
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general, I would say that we don't care about animals.
People think, would think that. Yeah, the whole like ropes over
the Bulls testicles, kind of. Stuff.
Yeah, I. Mean that that's like a
technical misconception of like how, you know, they think that
to get a bull to buck, they'll need to experience pain.
And so they just assumed that that flank going underneath
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their belly must be tied as and it's not it's those animals are
going to buck anyway. The flank gives them something
to kick at. You know, bulls are guys will
spend fifty 100,200 thousand on a bucking bull, you know, and so
you want you want him to performbetter and better and better and
better. And if he's experiencing pain,
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he's not going to perform better.
Same thing with a horse. Some of the bucking horses are
mares. So there's nothing to tie it to
if if that was the case. And so that's a, that's a
misperception of part of it. But the, the, the, the bigger
misconception is that we just don't care about them.
I think that there is an order of creation and I think that
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humans are the most important thing that God created and that
he created animals for man. And so I've got no problem
hunting a deer to eat. And those are usually the people
that care the most for it. Like I've got a buddy that's an
avid bow hunter and there's a respect it's to make sure that
the herdest then for he feeds them like it's it's they're
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better for the environment overall, even though they also
will kill an animal to eat it orgive it to the hungry or
whatever. But there's a the I think the
most frustrating thing that exists in this world in my mind,
the thing I get the most aggravated at is someone who
might be a pro-choice vegan. The fact that that person exists
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and vegan for the moral, for themoral reasons.
To me, that is the most absurd line of thinking that that that
exists. So I would be the opposite of
that. You know, I just think there's
an order and I'd, I think that there's no reason to cause
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unnecessary harm to an animal. No reason.
Yeah, like, you shouldn't just you shouldn't hit horses.
You shouldn't. I will say, if a horse bites me,
there's a small moment in there for a learning.
Discipline is different than. Abuse, I'll use the base of my
hand for their cheek. Like if it's right there, if he
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bites me, I'm going to like right real hard, right on his
cheek to where he knows like bite is that now if it's the
next day, now you're just, that's not, you know what I'm
saying? Like, yeah, that's right.
He bit me yesterday. So I'm at no, that's, that's
ridiculous. But regardless, like there's
some small moments there where Ithink it might be whatever.
But the my, my point is is like I, I don't believe in
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unnecessary. Even these animals that I'm
trapping the skunks. We've got a, a rabies problem
with skunks in young county. We've got the possums.
It's called EPM. There's a disease they can give
horses. They'll they'll get in their
feet at night and they'll pee onit.
Or hey, it's any varmint can do that.
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And I've, I lost a horse this year to EPM.
So those are easy for me. Like if you're a possum in my
vicinity, I'm going to kill you because I if you make me pick
between you and the horse. So that's a big misconception.
We don't care about animals. I definitely care about animals.
There's just no question as to like which one's more important
between an animal and a human. Like the, the conversation of
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like, you know, like the, the political, like your political
arch nemesis or your dog, like which one goes and they pick
the, the, the art And I'm just like, OK, tongue in cheek.
I get the joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But whatever arch nemesis I havepolitically, dude, I'm shooting
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my dog. Like, if you, if I have to
choose like a human, life is waymore important.
I'm sorry, but the dog's got to go.
Yeah. And I don't, I think that not,
and I don't know, I, I think that there's people out there
that wouldn't think like that. Oh, yeah, totally.
Yeah, totally. Tell me about, you've done some
big things in the past. Is there anything that you're
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really excited about coming up that you can share with us?
If it's under wrap still, you don't have to do it, but
anything as far as like, hey, we're thinking about doing this
or this is kind of the next phase or step, anything that
you're really excited about coming up?
No, I don't. I don't have anything even under
wrap. I mean, I just, I've got a
podcast, I've got YouTube and I love making content.
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I enjoy it so much. Hopefully in five years and 10
years, I, my schedule is the exact same as it is right now.
Like I just, I get to do the same things I do everyday, which
is just make good content. So that that's what I have.
Yeah. I mean, I really, I, I have,
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I've, I've had a podcast for several years, since like 2017,
so 8 years. But I kind of poured gas on that
fire over the last 12 months even more.
So we put out two a week. Let's go.
This is the first week we haven't put out at least two.
At one time we were putting out three a week, but it's been like
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seven months. It's been at least two or three
a week and same thing with the vlogs.
I just, I love them both equally.
So that that's that's just my game is content.
I love it, dude. I love that.
Talk to me about is there a cowboy code or a philosophy that
you or Cowboys try to live by? In my mind, and I think this is
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kind of a popular conception as well, Cowboys that there's kind
of this Venn diagram of tough and rumble and aggressive and
whatever, but also live by a code.
Honest, got each other's backs. What what would you say as far
as like a cowboy code or anything like that?
I think the cowboy code that people refer to is more is
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Christianity. OK.
With an outdoor rugged toughnessattached to it.
So and, and I think that most Cowboys within in our history,
we're Christian men and so there's that value system at the
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base of it. But then like there's also, you
know, a good cowboy in a certainsituation with horses or cows,
there's a few things attached tolike what makes a good cowboy,
you know, like obviously hard work, but then, you know, never
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quitting an aggression in a moment, like a like an attack
mentality to a problem. And I mean like literally
attack. So like we got to get this calf
down. Like how you approach that
situation. We've got to ride this bronc
that's bucking. How you, you know, just the look
in your eye to get the job done,whether it's like something
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simple, like, you know, catchinga cow in a, in a squeeze chute
or my buddies bucking horse justfell over and I got to get on
top of this bucking horse beforemy buddy gets drugged to death,
you know, like just that type ofsituation.
So there's, there's an there's a, there's a I'm willing to use
my hands to get a a very difficult job done mentality
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that Cowboys have. But I would say that that that
the most consistent followers ofthe cowboy code are the ones
that are the most consistent followers of Jesus.
And most Cowboys historically are cowboy are, are Christians.
And so I think that's why I think Cowboys have a good
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reputation. And I don't want to separate
that there. There's there's probably some
Cowboys out there that may not be Christians, but they have a
lot of pride attached to their identity as a cowboy.
And so that they might try to attach a value system to that
way of life. But for me, it's, it's not
separate. Yeah, I think that it's a walk
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with God is in line. And that makes me a good cowboy.
Yeah, I appreciate that. Two things that, you know, I I'm
trying to impress you with my cowboy skills.
One time I had a lasso and I tried to throw it around my
friend and it hit him in the eyeand he went to the hospital.
Another time I tried to get on ahorse statue and ripped my
pants. Either of those get me any
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closer we. Got some.
We got some work to do. OK, First off, phrasing.
We don't call them lassos. OK, See.
I mean so. Step one this is.
Why This is why so like you havethis cool picture.
If I had that, I'd just be like standing on some books and so it
wouldn't be as cool. So I'm trying to get there and
I'm. Learning.
We can work on it. But let's what do.
You call it. What do you?
It's not a lasso. What do you call?
It, I mean, it's a rope. Yeah.
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Well, yeah, obviously, right, Yeah.
So let's work on some of that off camera.
I don't. Want you to embarrass yourself?
Yeah, that's fair. Any more than you've already
have. Which I, which, which I, I do
often. All right, give me the, give me
here. Here's my last one.
So obviously I know nothing about being a cowboy.
And there might be people watching this though.
They're like, hey, that's kind of interesting.
I've always wanted to do that orI've seen that or whatever.
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If I wanted to become one or somebody else wanted to become
one or they wanted to start going down that path, 2
questions. What would they most struggle
with and how would they get started?
You would have to approach it with a, with a humility, because
the, the, the biggest thing thatthey're going to probably
struggle with is comparing themselves to other people, You
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know, whether it's rodeo or ranching.
What what happens in rodeo is I get because of the nature of my
program. I, I my interns, they work for
me and to drive my vehicles to be on my insurance they need to
be 21. So I get 22 year olds in here
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that have not ever done this thing before.
They're usually athletic and they've probably good at sports.
Yeah, look at. This guy's arms are like legs.
Look at. This dude, this one is maybe the
most athletic that I've got. So what I.
Observe is that they try to ridea bull and they're used to being
good at something pretty quick, especially when they have
(38:39):
someone to compare themselves to.
You go you go into football as afreshman, whatever school you're
in, like if you can do one pull up, then you're going to be one
of the top players on that team.You know what I mean?
You can be able to do 100 pull ups in bull riding and it does
not matter. I mean, like that's a start.
You need to be able to handle your own body weight, but like
you could struggle for a long time.
(39:02):
And so if you're, you know, if you're used to being good at
something in two weeks, like youpick up a video game 2K and all
of a sudden you're really good after two weeks, that ain't the
case with bull riding and it's not the case with riding horses.
It takes years and miles and miles.
(39:22):
Like you've got to literally rubleather off of the, the tree of
a saddle of like, like, all right, I've gone through this
entire saddle. I've now bought another saddle.
You're starting to understand what it means to ride a horse.
And that's what I think most people struggle with is that
this is if you're trying to what's the, what's the term
(39:45):
like, not get rich quick, but like just a quick satisfaction
type activity. This ain't it.
And then also most of the jobs that you get in this industry,
whether it's ranching or rodeo, do not pay well.
Now you can get creative and there's there's some ways in
which you can but like if you'rewanting to get into rodeo or
(40:05):
ranching, like. You just got to be OK with not
having money for a time unless you've made, I mean, unless
you've made it elsewhere, which there's a lot of people that
come into it and you'll see themget into like cutting horses.
You know, they've got a crazy amount of money.
And so they hire a trainer and they get the expensive horses
(40:26):
and they get into cutting horses, which is great and a
great industry. And those people can learn.
But that's not normally the typeof people that I end up helping.
It's normally a 22 year old withno money and, and they're trying
to learn the thing to make theirmoney.
Got it. And so they got to just kind of
(40:49):
have like kind of burn the boat's mentality, but then also
be humble enough to realize likethis going to take some time.
And there's a process here that I can't skip.
Like you, you, you can read about learning to sit a horse.
There's three gates that a horsehas a walk, a trot and a lope.
The walk is A4 beat gate, meaning like it's the smoothest
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anybody can ride a walk. He's got a different foot on the
ground at any given time. 4 beats.
Skip to the lope. That's a A3 beat gate.
If you watch a horse like it's, that's because it's three.
There's it's a three beat gate. It's it's the next easiest to
ride. Well, the trot is the middle one
and it's A2 beat gate front, right, back, left, front, left,
(41:34):
back, right. And to learn to sit a trot it
which is the cowboy gate. You go gather a 10,000 acre
pasture. You're going to travel at least
12 miles to get those cows gathered.
Well, you can't walk everywhere.It would take 9 hours.
You can't lope everywhere. Your horse is done in 9 minutes.
So you got a trot, and to sit that trot for 12 miles.
(41:58):
That's what takes years. You can't just go do that.
Like if you went and did that, if you went and sat a trot for
12 miles, like it would, I mean,you just wouldn't make it.
Yeah, it would. You'd you'd bounce yourself out
of the saddle. Yeah.
And you can't read about that and learn it and go do it.
Dude, I had a buddy that was getting married and I was like,
(42:20):
do we need to have like a birds and the bees talk?
And he's like, you know, I've read some books and I'm like,
it's. Easier.
It's no, no, not the same. That one's easier to figure out.
That one's easier to figure out than sit in a truck.
That's right, I. Guarantee you.
I guarantee you, yeah. It's just it's it.
There's things in life that it'seven different than throwing a
(42:44):
football. Yeah.
Like I mean within a week you can understand and be executing
you're. Just going to have to do
fundamental movements for a longtime till you use football.
Yeah, you're signing up for the suck.
You're signing up for a a seasonof just pain and doing it.
And you might never get rich. Who can endure?
The suck. That's right.
Who can make it through to the other side of the suck?
(43:05):
It's it's once you get to a certain I tell there's a joke,
Mickey Mantle said about baseball.
Lyle Sankey said it about bull riding.
It's 90% mental and the rest is in your head unless you're fat.
If you're fat. You got to lose weight.
You got to get to where you can do pull ups and push ups and
handle your own body weight. It's a physical event.
(43:25):
Once you get there, it is 90% mental and the rest is in your
head. Part of that is overcoming the
fear and executing fundamentals.The other side of it is when you
fail, you're able to just get back up and keep trying no
matter what. And the the people that can do
those two things I think are theones that make it in, in rodeo
(43:47):
and in ranching. I love it.
And then lastly is just how longcan you survive being broke?
Yeah. So that I mean it's but it's a
romantic thing that people, you know, the idea of like you're
making your living going down the road rodeo and that's right.
And you're, you're on to the next one and you know, it's, you
(44:09):
don't know there's not a guaranteed paycheck at every
rodeo. And then the idea of like making
your living gathering those cowsin the 10,000 acre pasture and,
and roping doggies and Mavericksand like it's, it's a romantic
lifestyle And, and they're suck within both of those.
The rodeo cowboy experiences a lot of pain.
(44:30):
You can have a successful ride and still experience pain.
The ranching cowboy like they don't normally take a day off
right, not even for weather. So you're out in it, you're
sleeping on the ground. Sometimes there's and so like
there's this, people don't know what they're signing up for when
they asked me to join this lifestyle like.
(44:51):
Right. One time I made a video how to
get started ranching. Just a quick my my my Netflix
series called How to be a Cowboy.
But I was like years before that.
Well, we had a cow die. I had a flat tire.
Something got out. The weather was terrible.
And in at one point in this video, I never put the video
(45:12):
out. It was just a terrible, you
know, day. And one point in this video I
was like, how to get started ranching?
Don't. And it was just one of those
days. And.
That's most of the time, you know, and, and for me, it is
rewarding. I love to sit a trot.
There's, you know, you ride up on a sunset or a sunrise and you
know, it's fun to rope Mavericksin Arizona and it's, it's fun to
(45:33):
ride Bronx. So it's worth it if you can
endure the suck. But some people get out and
they're just like, dude, I this is not fun this side of it's
not, you know, or I can go work way less for more money in a
different industry. Yeah, in AC and not break your
back. 100% like I can go, you know, I can go be an electrician
(45:57):
or, you know, not even like, noteven like a like a lawyer job or
something like electricians makemore than most Cowboys, you
know. And so there's a a naivety that
a lot of people that walk into the industry have that once they
realize that, you know, they're,they, they walk away from it,
but. I love it dude.
(46:17):
That's super, super helpful. I I appreciate you taking the
time chatting with us, talking alittle bit about life as a
cowboy. Check out Dale Brisby.
He is on all the social media platforms.
Check out Rodeo time. And dude, thanks for letting me
chat with you today. Yeah, thanks for having me
anytime. We'll do it again sometime.
Let's do it. Thanks.
(46:37):
We'll see you again on ideological.
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