October 13, 2025 • 42 mins
Is running actually the best way to lose weight? What diet works best? How often should you work out? In this episode, we interview personal trainer, Keith Kimberlin, with Anti Dad Bod Squad to learn about fitness myths vs. reality.
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Hello, and welcome to another edition of Ideological.
I'm your host, Jack Lee, and I am here with a personal trainer
talking about health, my friend Keith Kimberlin.
Keith, thanks for coming on the show.
Thanks for having me man, I'm excited to be here.
Oh. It's going to be a ton of fun,
yeah. Before we jump into the fun,
I've got to give the disclaimer.So one, by having Keith on the
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show, he is not necessarily endorsing anything else that I
do. So if I do something bad, send
me an angry e-mail, I just delete it and not Keith.
The other one is because we're going to be talking about
physical fitness and these kind of things.
This information is for informational purposes only.
Talk to a doctor or whatever if you're going to do workout so
you don't get a heart attack andsuicide.
OK. So with that out of the way,
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Keith, you are a personal trainer also have a background
with military stuff done some private protection.
Tell us just a little bit about who you are and your background
and then I've got some some fancy questions for you.
Yeah, absolutely. So I started out my my fitness
journey, I guess you could say, started when I was a kid.
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My grandpa used to wake me up at6:00 AM to go into a spare
bedroom. He had a Bowflex in there and
that's kind of where my my love of fitness began.
Like, I love resistance exercises.
Only Bowflex. This episode's brought to you by
Bowflex. Yep.
I'll expect royalties for this, correct.
Yeah. So, you know, I'd go spend weeks
of my summer with him and he'd wake me up.
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And then when I got old enough, 12, I guess we had, we would
start going to the gym and it was just a, a crappy little gym
in Paris, TX attached to a hospital.
Actually, the membership was like 8 bucks a month or
something like that. But I'd go in there and he
would, to the best of his ability, just kind of guide me
and lead me and, and what it wasthat he was doing.
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And I just really, really enjoyed that feeling of being
sore the next day, even as a young kid.
OK, so you've always been a masochist.
In that sense. Yeah, if you can't tell, we're
in Texas where it's hot and so we're sweaty and there's like,
bugs attacking. So just, you know, that's part
of the training, though. You've got to sweat it out.
You don't need a sauna if you live in one.
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That's part of the functional fitness lifestyle, correct, is
you have to be in your garage and if it's anything below 85°,
you're not doing it right. I agree.
So I agree. OK, well as we get attacked by
creatures, what inspired you to become a personal trainer and
how did your approach evolve over time?
Yep. So I became a personal trainer.
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I actually had no clue that personal training was an actual
job. I thought that, you know, there
was football coaches, you know, strength and conditioning
coaches, things like that. But I never knew that there were
just people that worked at gyms that got paid to teach other
people how to work out. But when I was in the military,
so I was a medic in the military, but my collateral
duty, which is just like an extra job, looks good on your
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resume. I was the command fitness
leader. Let's go.
So I was in charge. Having bourbon as we talk about
health, you know it's good. It's good for the good for the
soul. For the soul, yeah.
So I I was in charge of what wascalled the the fatty platoon,
which is all of the Marines and sailors that were not up to code
when it came to physical fitness, whether they're, you
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know, overweight, failing the run failing whatever it was.
And so I, I basically just as a command fitness leader was a
personal trainer and didn't evenrealize it.
And then when I was getting out of the military, one of my
friends was like, dude, you should be a personal trainer.
And I was like, what's that? And he's like, you can like a
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personal trainer like you, you go to a gym, you work for the
gym, people hire you to help them work out.
And I'm like, that's what I'm already doing anyway.
So I got certified while I was still in the military, OK.
And my philosophy on exercise has severely changed since I was
a 23 year old military personal trainer to now being a 35 year
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old husband father with four kids, back injuries and knee
injuries and stuff like that. My, my philosophy has severely
changed. I used to be, if you ever saw
the show, The Biggest Loser. Oh yeah, right.
Like those guys just knife hand in your chest.
Yeah, get down and give me what's?
That Jillian? And what's the other guy's name?
I the the big buff guy that always wore the tactical pants
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and stuff. Yeah, I forgot his name.
That would. That was me, you know, for a
long time and and for a long time, my philosophy was like,
just beat them into the ground until they can't move anymore.
And then they'll probably get stronger and lose some weight.
And that has severely changed since then.
Yeah. Yeah.
That ends up with maybe some injuries later on. 100% you're
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crushing it. But when you're 40, you're like,
I can't move. Yeah, OK.
You do some things, to my understanding, different than
most trainers. What sets your philosophy apart?
You mentioned how you change your philosophy in military.
It's like grinded out and then working with civilians and such.
It's like, no, there's some better methods here.
Tell us a little bit about what makes your type of training
unique. Yeah.
So my philosophy, I, I kind of equate it to almost political
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right. So there there's a.
It's. Very controversial what you do,
half the country hates it. Exactly.
It's really. So you've got bodybuilders over
here on the right, you've got cross fitters over here on the
left, and there's everything in between.
And I find myself in the middle of that because my goal is not
to just push. You know what I think is cool on
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you, right? Oh, I need you to bench 2/25/10
times and squat 300 lbs and deadlift 500 lbs.
Exactly. It's not about the marketing.
My goal is to help people who need to get in shape with
minimal space and minimal equipment because I don't want
to drive 20 minutes to the gym. I've got a family at home.
I, I don't have time for all that.
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I'm trying to find the equipmentthat I need and some ladies
texting while she's sitting on it or, or whatever, Right.
And so my goal is to boil. I, I, I ask people tons of
questions and I'm going to boil it down to what do you really
want to accomplish? Yeah, that's now my philosophy
is what do you want to accomplish?
And what I've found, you know, my brand anti dad bod squad,
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which funny enough, I used to call it wage war fitness because
Wage War is my favorite band. It's just angry screaming music
that I listen to when I work out.
So I I was like, Oh yeah, wage war on apathy, you know, wage
war on laziness and wage war on excuses.
And then I saw this shirt that said antisocial sober club and I
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just in in my mind, I envisionedhaving my own shirts in it that
said anti dad bod. And then I was like, oh, anti
dad bod squad. That'd be a cool thing.
And so I ended up changing the name of my business to anti dad
bod squad. And but that's really the market
that I've leaned into because I feel like those are the people
that need the most help, right? Like the 18, you know, to 20
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year old kid that's got the mosttestosterone he'll ever have in
his life. And he needs some guidance
probably. That's fine.
But like the people that I'm interested in helping are the
people who need it. And I don't want those people
getting lost in the sauce, so tospeak, on social media because
there's so many different thingsthat can pull you in a many,
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many different ways. And then you end up with just
this, this paralysis by analysis.
Totally. You're just frozen because
you're like, well, I don't know what to do.
So I'm just not going to move. Yeah, they're telling me
opposite things. It's the same way you and I both
do some shooting the instruction.
It's the same way there. I'll watch some video and I'm
like, that will get somebody killed.
That will not work in the real world.
Like it's the same kind of thingwith that so.
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Instructor 0 is awesome dude. Yes, yes, exactly right.
All the balloons. Yes, if you don't know who that
is, don't worry about it. OK, that's fantastic.
What is a common belief or practice in the fitness world
that you think is completely wrong?
So just kind of a, an old wives tale in the fitness world where
everyone's like, you got to do that.
It's it's kind of like the, you know, don't swim after eating
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kind of stuff, you know, like that's not true.
What is one of those big beliefsin the fitness world that you'd
like to call out? Yeah, probably the biggest one
is if you're not sore, you didn't get a good workout, OK.
Now inherently if if you're coming from not working out at
all or a certain type of exercise and you switch to a
different type of exercise, you're going to be sore.
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And that's OK. But that's just because it's new
to your body and your body is trying to recover the damage
that you just did from this activity that it's never done
before. But as you go on in your fitness
journey, you get stronger and your body is able to handle the
the load that you're putting on it.
There's going to come a point where you don't get
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debilitatingly sore anymore. And people will purposefully try
to destroy themselves because they just want to get that
feeling of being sore. But just because you're not sore
doesn't mean you didn't get a good workout.
Are they doing more damage when they do that?
A. 100% doing more damage. Yeah.
So I actually did that to myselfwhen, because I've always been
the skinny kid. Like when when I was younger, I
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was, you know. Real quick, we're outside, there
are flies, there's an airplane, there's somebody's like that's
going on. I was like, this would be cool
to do in the garage. Nope, we're sweaty, but that's
what you're seeing. We're professionals though.
Sorry to you, this is where I live.
Yeah, this is your jam. That's what I'm saying.
Like it's got damn. If watching this doesn't stress
you out a little bit, you're notready to get in shape. 100%
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yeah, you don't deserve to be here.
But yeah, I actually prevented myself from getting bigger
because I was training so hard for so long that I was I was
actually causing more damage andmy body wasn't able to repair
itself in time before I just went and destroyed myself again
the next day. And that's what most people
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don't realize is you grow when you're resting.
So if you're trying to build muscle, you're growing when
you're sleeping. That's why sleep is so important
for fitness, so important. It's not the working out.
The working out you're putting alittle micro.
There's the damage, the feeling is the sleep.
Exactly. And it's like when you break a
bone and it grows back stronger in that spot.
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It's a it's a similar concept with muscles.
It just happens faster. And it's you don't have to wear
a cast. Yeah.
That's helpful. Yeah.
But it's it's the same thing. So if you're just constantly
beating the crap out of yourselfevery single day thinking.
Yeah, yeah. I'm going to get so huge it
you're not, you're not. You're going to make yourself
just get injured. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's helpful. Dude.
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Is there a fitness trend or piece of advice you see online
that drives you crazy because you're you're kind of a
combination of a personal trainer, but also a content
creator. Again, check out anti dad bod
squad and you'll see his videos.And I mean just mustache and
muscles. That's what I call it just tats.
And it's it's he's married ladies, but you know, sorry.
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So what is what is like a very common thing that you see online
that just drives you nuts. Like you see it and you're like.
Yeah, Yep. If you want to lose weight, you
want to burn fat, do more cardio.
That is absolutely false. OK.
That is one of the things that and and it plagues mostly the
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female community, but just anybody who's overweight in
general, for some reason, they think that they need to go start
running. Yeah.
And then they injure their knee running and they deem to never
exercise again. And it gets worse.
Right, Right. Or if it's not wrong, I don't
like running, but I got to get this cardio in.
And, and they're just doing these, these long, drawn out
cardio sessions with little to no weight training.
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And then they're wondering why three, six months down the road,
they haven't lost any weight. And it's usually because a diet
is what matters the most. Yeah, it goes genetics, diet
working out. Is that correct?
The genetics is way above and then diet working out.
Yeah, genetics is way above. You can defeat your genetics to
a certain degree, yes, but it's going to come with strict diet
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and being on a workout program, yeah.
The deck is stacked against you,but you can do it.
The deck is stacked against you,but it's never going to be so
insurmountable that you can't still lose weight or whatever
unless you just have some kind of crazy disease or disability
or something. But generally most of the
population that blames their genetics, although it is a
problem for them, they're just using that because they haven't
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done the work that it takes to figure out the proper plan to be
on, because that's what it takesis a plan, right?
But the, the strength training component is what's going to
boost your metabolism so that you can burn more fat.
So the more muscle that you haveon your body, the higher your
metabolism has to burn to feed that lean muscle.
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And when you're doing these longdrawn out cardio sessions, you
got to realize that your body uses 2 fuel sources for
exercise, whatever you're, whether you're doing anaerobic
or aerobic, which would be, you know, either weight lifting or
running, right? But when you're running or just
doing some kind of cardio, your body is not utilizing fat
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because that fat is not going tosustain the energy that it takes
for you to do that long drawn out cardio session.
It's kind of like, you know thatscene in Titanic when they're
like shovelling coal into the furnace of the ship?
That would be like in that scene, if they were just
shovelling like paper into it, the ship would never get going
because that paper wouldn't, wouldn't be there long enough to
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create enough heat to to fuel the ship.
Right. So your body is using mostly
your your muscle stores at that point when you're when you're
just long drawn out cardio sessions, your body starts to
just eat itself. Yeah, and not in a good way.
Not in a way. Which is why marathon runners
look the way they do. Exactly.
Yes, exactly. OK, so, So what, what should
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somebody do without giving away all the secret sauce?
If, if somebody's watching this and they're like, hey, I, I kind
of just want to lose weight. I've been doing cardio.
I haven't seen results. What percentage of their workout
should be weights versus cardio?So 7030 OK would be a good safe
starting point. OK, most of your exercise, if
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you're just starting out and you're trying to lose weight
should be strength training. You need to build a foundation
of lean muscle that's going to boost your metabolism.
Right now you do need to do the cardio because not to get too
nerdy with it I guess, but thinkabout.
You can dude. We're we're all about nerdy
stuff here. Yeah.
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So think about when when you're if you're doing heavy squats or
something, you start breathing really hard and you start
sweating and and your your heartis just going well.
Why is that? It's because your muscles
require oxygen. What delivers oxygen to the
muscles? It's your blood.
Well, what delivers the blood tothe muscles?
It's your heart pumping harder. And what gets the oxygen to the
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heart? You're breathing.
So you start breathing harder and your heart starts pumping
harder. So yeah, cardio is good.
You want to you still want to docardio?
But you're still getting cardio as you're doing weights if
you're doing it right. Still getting cardio as you're
doing weights, As long as you'redoing it right, yeah,
absolutely. That's helpful.
Can you share a success story where your unconventional
approach? And I say unconventional, it's,
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it's, I think that's the way it's trending.
From what I've seen. The functional fitness stuff is
there's a lot of evidence to back that up where your
unconventional approach made a big difference.
Maybe in somebody's life, your own life, you had the client
that was, I don't know, 800 lbs and now they're 80 lbs, but they
can't move because they're just swimming in skin.
Whatever it is, dude, you tell me.
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Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah.
So I, I've got quite a few of those stories.
I guess the one that sticks out the most, the the biggest weight
loss I'd I would say was a lady.She's in her mid 40s and she
lost over 70 lbs within it was nine months.
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Let's go and it's a. Huge baby to give birth to.
But she she's, she's an Indian lady, right?
Which just inherently it is whatit is.
She's a vegetarian. We're struggling to get protein
in lifestyle stuff. She was just not able to lose
weights or lose weight on, you know, the walks that they they
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take after dinner and stuff likethat.
Well, we got her on a nutrition plan because that's one of the
most important things is a new. The nutrition plan was getting
more protein into her even though she was vegetarian.
We were finding other ways to get protein into her diet.
And then we started strength training and when I tell you she
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could not even lift a 5 LB dumbbell over her head, couldn't
even lift a 5 LB dumbbell. And by the time we were done,
she was repping 220 lbs. You're laying across her arms.
She's. Just pressing me up.
She yeah, she 220 LB dumbbells. Let's go crushing it.
Yeah, right. And had lost 80 lbs.
She sent me text messages of herand her husband on date night
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and like, thank you so much. I love you.
Like just, you know, stories like that.
So I've got weight loss stories and and that's great, but not
everything is about weight loss.Sometimes people are OK with
what they weigh. They just want to feel better
and move better. And I've got plenty of stories
of people with just jacked up lower backs, knees, necks, just
any joint you can think of because they've been killing
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themselves in just a traditionalcommercial gym doing bench press
and all that kind of stuff. And we switched to just kettle
bells, dumbbells and maces. And all of a sudden their joints
are feeling better. They're, they're not, you know,
they, they go to turn to get a cookie off the counter and their
back seizes up. But now they're, you know,
they've got some core strength and they can do stuff like that
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without harming themselves. Crazy how if you actually do the
body's natural motions instead of types of lifts you never do
in real life, how that can. Do that and and that that's what
functional fitness is that that's my whole thing is
functional fitness. And there there's haters on
functional fitness. Doctor Mike Izratelli, if you're
familiar with him, he's this big, you know, roided up
bodybuilder guy. And I'm like, he's like, kettle
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bells only get so heavy. There's only so much that you
can do with a kettlebell. And I severely disagree.
Severely disagree. If your goal is to look like a
bodybuilder, then yeah, kettle bells and functional fitness
probably shouldn't be your thing.
But that's why I said I'm not onthe extremes of bodybuilding a
CrossFit. I'm in the middle of what do you
want to accomplish? And most people that, that I'm
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working with the the dadbod guysthat want to lose the dadbod,
they just want to look better, feel better, move better.
That's right. Most of those guys don't need to
be squatting £400, right? They need.
Because these are real. Exactly, they need to be moving
their bodies as as a unit instead of treating it like a
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collection of different muscle groups.
So I do a lot of full body stuff.
Like very rarely am I just like just going to hammer my chest
out today. It's like most of my my days are
are full body days. Got it.
But that's what most dads that are just trying to be functional
need is stuff like that. Yeah, a lot of people when
there's, because there's a lot of back and forth on social
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media platforms of what type of working out or whatever.
If you just define what the actual goal is, bodybuilder
muscle looks great, but it's very different and not actually
as healthy as other. Like I, I was watching, I was
watching some buds training because I, I interviewed some
some Navy seals and stuff on this.
I was watching some buds training and when those guys are
in buds, these are the best athletes in the world and
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they'll be running with their shirts off and they just kind of
look like normal guys. Some are ripped, but others are
overweight and others are whatever.
And you're like, what? How can they do 30 dead hang
pull ups in a row and 200 push ups in a row and do it?
It's it's their actual strength versus looks.
And so a lot of it depends. If somebody's goal is I just
want to look jacked, that's going to be very different than
I don't want to hurt, which is going to be very different than
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I want to lose weight or whatever it is.
It's hypertrophy, which is your muscles looking fuller but not
necessarily being stronger. Yeah, right.
Yeah. You have to find somebody that
looks the way you want to look, right?
And then figure out what kind oftraining it is that they
typically do, right. But yeah, if you want to look
like a bodybuilder, you're goingto have to do a lot of
hypertrophy style training. If you want to be a power
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lifter, you're going to have to do a lot of strength and
explosive type training. Yeah, I don't care for either.
I don't care to look like a bodybuilder.
I don't care to look or be as strong as a power lifter.
I just want to be able to play with my kids and and look good
at the beach with my shirt off. Yeah, so.
Throw them in the water so far. Like scary far where they're
like, not again. Yeah.
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OK. So if I want to look like Shaq,
I'm just kidding, OK? What is something you've had to
unteach a client that they learned from another trainer or
influencer online? Yeah, that's mostly around diet.
Because again, diet is the crux of all of this, that you can't
outrun the fork, You can't outlift a bad diet.
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I don't care how wonderful or perfectly programmed your
training schedule is with a crappy diet.
It's all for naughty. And so another big problem with
social media is, you know, I lost 40 lbs on paleo and my
sister lost £50 on carnivore. And there's all the these names
for these diets. And when I say diet, I don't
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mean paleo, carnivore, Mediterranean, whatever.
I mean just what goes in your mouth.
That's your diet is what you eatin a day without all the fancy
names. But I've almost every one of my
clients will say something like,well, what do you think about
carnivore? I was thinking about starting
carnivore or insert diet here and they'll say something like,
well, you know, because my sister lost X amount of pounds
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on it. And like, you know why your
sister lost pounds on it? Because she was finally being
held accountable by something, right?
The diet that works is the one you can stick to.
That's right. If you can pick a diet, and I'm
not promoting any of, you know, carnivore, keto or whatever.
If anything, I'd say Mediterranean or Paleo.
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Mediterranean or Paleo for anybody who just really has to
attach a name to something. Those would be the two that I
would recommend starting with. But what I mean is just if you
start carnivore, they're going to tell you stop eating candy,
stop eating, you know, stop drinking Doctor Pepper, stop.
They're going to make you stop eating all this processed food
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and you're going to be focusing on meat or whatever it is for
that diet. And all of a sudden this person
who has cut out all of this processed food is, is saying,
oh, carnivore made me lose 40 lbs.
Yeah. You're like no accountability.
Yeah, I heard AI heard a doctor say this.
Tell me if if you agree with this.
He just said, listen, dieting and losing weight is nothing
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other than math. It is calories in and calories
out. So he said the problem is most
people that do a diet, they do it for let's say a few weeks or
a few months, they lose weight and then something like 90
something percent end up gainingit back because it's not a
sustainable lifestyle. He's like, this is just you.
You need to find not a diet that's really hard for a month
and then you gain all the weightback six months later.
You need to find a lifestyle where calories out match or go
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below calories in depending on whether you're trying to lose
weight or stay at your weight. And that is calories are
calories. Like you can do it in a cupcake
or you can do it in several loaves of bread or or whatever
it is. It wouldn't be several loaves of
bread, but you know what I'm saying.
Or you can, you can't. So give me your thoughts on this
though. I, I have heard that you can
outrun the fork, but it's unrealistically high.
Like Michael Phelps will burn 15,000 calories a day training
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but he's swimming all day at thehighest level possible.
Could the average person do it or would it just be?
The average person doesn't have time to do it.
Yeah, that's Michael Phelps and you know, Dwayne the Rock
Johnson eating his 10,000 calorie cheat day or whatever.
Like these guys are paid to do what they do.
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They have the time to outrun thefork if they eat a bunch of
calories. The average dad or mom who works
a full time job has to get the kids fed and get to the grocery
store and Timmy's got to go to soccer practice.
That guy doesn't have time to outrun the fork.
Got it. And so he has to make the fork
work in his favor. Got it, instead of trying to
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outrun it. But yeah, so calories in
calories out there, there's somemore nuance to that as to the
the quality of the calorie, but.And what your body does like
certain things will cause your insulin to do this and so it is
more complicated, correct? And if you've got sensitivities
or allergies that are causing bloating or different, yeah.
So there there's some little factors that could throw that
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off. But generally speaking, yes,
calories in versus calories out.Now your, your macros, your
protein, fat and carb numbers that make up your total calorie
count that needs to be shifted, right?
Because if, if you just eat, youknow, let's say your, your, your
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number of calories you're tryingto hit is, is 2000 calories,
right? And you just eat 2000 calories
every single day of sugar, right?
You if you're burning more than 2000 calories, you will still
lose weight, but you're going tolook disgusting, Yeah.
You're going to feel disgusting.2000 calories of sugar a day.
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Exactly. Exactly.
So that that's why I say like you got to be careful.
It's not just calories in, calories out, because yes, that
matters for your overall weight,but for how you want to look and
feel. Got it.
The numbers matter, right? So that's that's why you, you
should be aiming for a certain protein, carb and fat goal that
gets you to whatever that total calorie number you you should be
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at. Yeah, I love it.
If you could bust one fitness myth forever, which one would it
be? Go hard or go home.
OK, that, that's a big one for you know.
Well, there goes that T-shirt. Yeah, throw that away, I guess.
Go. Hard or go home.
All my T-shirts are the oppositeof what you say.
They say things like paleo only and go hard and go home.
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Yeah, yeah, but, you know, go hard or go home.
So here. Here's The thing is I with my
clients, I just need you to be consistent and you're probably
not going to consistently go hard or go home, just not going
to happen. But I would rather you have four
days in a row of 70% effort thentwice a week at 100% effort,
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right? I would rather you have more of
those less effort days than a few of the high caliber days,
right? Because again, if you're a dad,
mom, full time job, there's stress, you might not have slept
well the night before or whatever.
You're just not going to always have the go hard or go home
mentality. And that's where people will die
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by paralysis, by analysis. They will just well.
Only work out when I can go all the way, which now you're on a
business trip and you're in a hotel and it's hard or when you
get older you can't. You will break something, and so
there's an element to where someis better than none.
All's great, but you can't always do all, yeah?
That's good. That's really good.
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Do you think social media has helped or hurt people view
health and fitness? I mean, it's probably some of
both, but which one do you thinkit is more of?
Yeah, it's definitely both. If I had to say which one is it
more of, I would say more good, because I know I used to do this
before I would go into the gym to work out.
I would literally pull up videosof Ronnie Coleman and just like,
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watch these. You can literally type in
motivational Ronnie Coleman. Yeah.
And it's like some dude to just like, stitched together a bunch
of Ronnie Coleman going yeah, baby, yeah.
Ain't nothing but a peanut lightweight.
Yeah. And it's just him working out
with, like, heavy metal in the background.
And you're like, yeah, you know,wage war, right.
Exactly. Wage war.
But you know, is there also someunhelpful videos out there that
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are teaching you something that's probably super
inaccurate? Yeah, but there's the spread of
information on the Internet is obviously both good and bad, but
the spread of the good I think outweighs the bad because it at
least it's getting some people to do something.
And you know, if they start trying whatever this was and
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maybe it didn't work, hopefully they go find another way.
But I, I think the motivation that it's that it's gotten
because I, I get a lot of those comments on a lot of my videos
is like, man, I wasn't going to work out today, but I'm fired up
now. And I'm like, OK, there you go.
That that was 1. Of those are quick, it's like,
hey, full body killer workout 15minutes and you're like, I have
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15 minutes. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. For someone just starting their
fitness journey, what's the mostimportant thing to to focus on?
So let's say so not like the client you just mentioned, the
the goal is specifically to loseweight, but somebody's like, you
know what? I'm tired of not being fit.
I'm going to go do something. I don't really know.
Do I join a gym? Do I watch videos?
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Do I go to the garage and let the flies attack us and the
birds caw and all the things like everything is stacked
against us today for some reason?
What what? What advice do you give for that
new that newbie? Get on a plan that that is kind
of kind of like I've been sayingis consistency.
I would rather you have consistency over just a few
random good days here or there. Getting on a plan eliminates
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your need for motivation becauseif you're on a plan, it could
be, you know, Monday and it's here, here's your plan for
Monday and you're like, crap, I really don't feel like doing
this. And if you don't have a plan,
you won't do it. But if you have a plan and you
have a coach or somebody that you're accountable to who's
expecting you to, to accomplish that day, you're going to do it
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because you don't. It's funny how people will let
themselves down a lot easier than they'll let somebody else
down. That's interesting, right?
And so if you are on a plan, thechances of you skipping a day or
or whatever are a lot lower. And plus it's going to keep you
from just winging it because winging it isn't going to help
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you at all. Now, if you go from sitting on
the couch to winging it, that's you will, you'll probably lose a
couple of pounds in the first month or two.
But there's going to come a timewhere where those results
plateau because your body now that it's it's used to at least
getting up and doing something, you're winging it.
It's going to get used to that and it's going to say, OK,
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what's next? And that's where progress is
made is in that what's next phase, right?
So that's why phases on a plan will help you not just do the
same thing. So you don't look like one of
those Zumba ladies, right? Like you see at Lifetime, these
Zumba ladies come and they look exactly the same as they did two
years ago when they started the class.
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And it's because they're just. Brought you by Zumba.
Zumba do a real workout. Jazzercise Yeah, yeah, it's just
if. But if you do the same thing
forever, you will never change. Yeah.
So getting on a plan prevents you from plateauing because the
coach is going to scale your your phases of that program and
it's going to prevent you from just, I don't feel like it
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today. Dude, let's talk about so that
this isn't one of the questions.This is just a tack on for what
you're saying I think is really important.
And guys like Jocko talk about this a lot.
Discipline Trump's everything. It Trump's not just, you know,
not only does it equal freedom because when you discipline
yourself, for example, to play the piano, you actually have the
freedom to play it. You don't have freedom before
then. Same way with working out.
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But there's also an element where he just talks about
motivation doesn't matter because motivation comes and
goes. The whole thing about discipline
is it's a plan, it's something you have to do.
It's something you make yourselfdo.
And so he talks about again being in BUDS and he's like, if,
if success was based on motivation, no one would make
it. When you haven't slept for five
days and you're slurring your speech and you're like freezing
cold, there's no motivation. You just get back in the water,
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'cause they said get back in thewater.
And so there there's something too.
Even having a plan that is not super difficult is better than
no plan. Working out is not like, which
is actually interesting with thefunctional fitness thing.
It's not like trying to get A1 Max Rep on a bench press, right?
That's not life. Life is thousands of reps of
something lighter all the time. And so thoughts on the
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discipline stuff, the motivationstuff.
And then I also want to hear that if you say choose a plan,
because some of the plans we said are not great for is that
one, what what do you favor? I know you like kettle bells,
body weight stuff. What are give us some thoughts.
If people want to go look up plans online or whatever, where
would you gently prompt them to go?
Yeah, yeah. So the the discipline part,
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yeah, I think it was Zig Ziglar that said motivation's like a
shower. You need one every day.
Like motivation is something that you, if you're relying on
motivation, good luck. Like you're going to need to
every single day figure out someway to motivate yourself.
But if you just discipline yourself to do something when
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you don't feel like doing it, then there's freedom in that
because now you're not relying on motivation.
It becomes a habit, right? And that goes for so many
things, whether you're trying topick up reading or fitness or a
better diet or what, whatever, if you can break yourself of
some of the bad habits that you have.
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And it's a lot easier said than done, right?
Like it's not easy to just like,I guess I'll be disciplined now.
This is like Aristotle virtue ethics thing.
You have to practice something when you're not good at it and
then you get good at it. Same way with discipline.
So, so if somebody's listening and they're thinking, man, I
want to work out, I don't feel like I'm very disciplined.
There's a lot of days where I feel lazy and whatever.
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Of course you're not going to discipline now, you haven't
practiced it. You're not going to go be able
to hit a Major League curveball or play the flute today either.
You have to practice it. And so it's the same way with
discipline For, for me, it was interesting because I, I, I did
not work out much when I was a young adult and then I work out
a lot now, but it's not primarily even for the physical.
Yes, I feel better, yes, I sleepbetter.
Yes, when I get sick, I heal faster.
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All those things are huge benefits.
Yes, You know, it looks like youcan grade some cheese on these
ABS, but that's not it. The main thing for me was the
mental. Like even if I never got
stronger or faster, I would still work out because it did
something to me where I'm like, I don't want to do this and it
hurts. And the application of that to
other areas of life. I don't want to do this, but I
have to. I don't want to go to this
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meeting, but I need to. I don't want to read this book,
but I'm a discipline myself to do so.
It's not about the working out, it's about the kind of person
you become. Yes, it's some of it's about the
workout, not trying to die from a heart attack at 39, but also
like so much of it's the middle side.
Tell me a little bit about your thoughts on the mental benefits,
personal benefits. I think most people are a slave
to some voice inside them that'snot them, instead of them
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telling their body what to do. What are your thoughts?
Yep, I call it callousing your mind.
The same way you grow calluses on your hands.
When you do a bunch of dead lifting or kettlebell stuff,
you're definitely going to get some some calluses on the hands.
Ladies wear gloves. It's for guys, yeah.
Yeah, guys, no, yeah. But yeah.
So callousing your mind is this is the same the the same way
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that the constant tension on your palms creates those
calluses, you've got to do that to your brain as well.
And that's, that's what discipline is, is, is when you
have been able to callous yourself away from needing
constant motivation and so forcing yourself to do something
hard every day. I, I, I make fun of David
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Goggins a lot. You know, he he's an interesting
character for sure, but I do love some of his philosophy
around do something that sucks everyday and it doesn't have to
be in the gym. You don't have to go do 1000
pull ups because that would probably suck.
But you know, just something that you don't want to do.
Do it everyday. And I forget the name of the
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Admiral that wrote the book MakeYour Bed.
That was actually a speech. Mcraven Yeah, that's what I was
going to say, Raven but I was saying it's.
More of an Irishy Raven. Yeah, yeah.
But that make your bed, you know, just you get up and and
you make your bed and from that instant you feel like a sense of
accomplishment. And now the rest of your day is
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probably going to get better. You started your day by doing
something you didn't really wantto do, which wasn't major.
But you have said the day doesn't happen to me.
I decide how the day goes and then he mentions how even if you
have a bad day, at least you have a good bed to go home too.
Like if you have a terrible day,it's at least it's made.
It's not the whole thing where like one shoot anyway.
So that's great, dude. All right, I got one more for
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you and then anything else you want to want to add?
But where do you see the fitnessindustry heading in the next 5
to 10 years? So there's been a lot of changes
recently in the fitness industry, just like in the
medical industry. Where do you see?
Where do you see it headed? Yeah, I see the fitness industry
heading to a lot more people staying at home.
OK, There are. I think that's one of the good
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benefits of social media is you don't have to now go to a gym to
get a personal trainer anymore. Now there there's some people
who they don't want to just follow a plan online or, you
know, like they, they really want that physical interaction
with a person or whatever. But I think for a lot of the,
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the people who are in their thirties, 40s and 50s that don't
have time to go to the gym, busyprofessionals or whatever, I
think there's going to be a waveof a lot more people staying at
home, realizing that it's not very expensive to put together a
gym because that that's another,you know, another myth, I guess
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I would bust if, if you asked meto would be you don't need a gym
full of hundreds of machines. The machines.
How many of them do you use? You know, like you walk in and
it looks intimidating if you're new and if if.
You've got that person that's not doing it right.
It's the pull down and they've got like one leg over and I'm
like, all right, yes, exactly. I'm filming you without you
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knowing. You're ending up on the fail
Army page. That's right.
Like you just, you don't need all that stuff.
Like think about the things thatyou actually use and then what
can you mimic? What movements can you mimic
with that at home? That's why I love kettle bells
so much. Just the, the, the center of
gravity on a kettle bell, I think personally is unbeatable
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for a single tool. Now, you put together some fancy
machines that do a bunch of different stuff.
Obviously that's different. But for a single tool, an
affordable tool that somebody can buy, put it in their garage,
there's so many things that you can do with kettle bells and
then dumbbells and maces as well.
I mean, that's all I have at home is that I, I don't have
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anything else. And, you know, I think I'm doing
OK for myself. Yeah, we're going.
To have you go ahead and take off your shirt for the yeah, so
no, I, I dude, I I think that's super helpful.
Curveball question Taibo, how great is it?
Billy Blanks? Just kidding.
Any any other thoughts you have that you want to share?
Just things that you think will be helpful myths that you've
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seen, something you're passionate about when it comes
to this advice to people. Just any kind of final, like I
mean, obviously check out his stuff at anti dad Bod Squad on
the different social media channels and such, but anything
else that people might find helpful that you just want to
share? Yeah, I think you asked me a
minute ago and I didn't get to it about where to go for for
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plans and stuff. Because I really think like that
is the biggest thing for a new person is don't just wing it.
Get on a plan. And I mean, nutrition and
fitness and it doesn't have to be that expensive, right?
Like I think that's a a thing that pushes a lot of people away
is the cost, But it's it's probably cheaper than your gym
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membership over time for sure. And the things that are good for
you in the grocery store are typically not the things the the
expense comes when you try to dolike an online meal plan where
they have to deliver meals to you.
I'm like, you can go buy a banana.
Like they exist, they're in stores.
They'll even let you have one ifyou give them some money and
it's like or whatever, you know what I mean?
Yeah, and you can make it reallyexpensive, I guess if you want
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to, it just doesn't have to be. So another good thing about
social media is there's so many fitness coaches online.
I, like I said earlier, find somebody that aligns with what
your goals are. So, you know, not to be biased,
but me if if you're, you know, in in your 30s, forties, 50s and
you're looking to get in shape with minimal space and minimal
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equipment, that's my whole deal right now.
I also have clients who they have access to full gyms and
they want to go use them. So I can write those kind of
programs as well. But find somebody who looks like
you want to look and has a philosophy that you can actually
get behind. Again, Shaq and Kant, yes.
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Yeah, go exactly. So I don't know where you'll
find that guy, but he didn't exist.
Yeah, but, you know, because youthere's so many of these
grifters online these days that they're shooting themselves full
of steroids. And so they're huge and they
look like you want to look. Oh, Liver King.
Yeah, Liver King. And so that's why, that's why I
don't just say just find somebody who looks like you want
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to look right there. There's more to it than that.
But I also don't believe in taking advice from fat personal
trainers. Yeah, right.
Like I want the person who I'm buying a program from.
It should work for them too. Yeah, exactly right.
Do as I do, not as I say yes andjust but the philosophy behind
why they're telling you what they're telling you needs to
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match why you're there. That's good.
Because if they are just saying you should do this so that you
can look like me, well, that's not necessarily my only goal is
to just look like you like how'syour back?
How's your knee pain? You know, because I got a thing
going on here, you know, so likethey, they need to have a
philosophy that lines up with what you want to to accomplish,
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not just what they feel like youshould accomplish.
That's good. So find somebody online and just
ask them a lot of questions. I love it.
Yeah, dude, Keith Camberlin, thank you for being on the show
again. Check them out on the different
social media channels. I think we can even include a
post to that in the the video. Thanks so much for coming on
ideological and teaching us how to how to be jacked and healthy
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and not have knees blown out andsuch.
Thank you, It's been a pleasure.All right, we'll see you next
time.
Hello, and welcome to another edition of Ideological.
I'm your host, Jack Lee, and I am here with a personal trainer
talking about health, my friend Keith Kimberlin.
Keith, thanks for coming on the show.
Thanks for having me man, I'm excited to be here.
Oh. It's going to be a ton of fun,
yeah. Before we jump into the fun,
I've got to give the disclaimer.So one, by having Keith on the
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show, he is not necessarily endorsing anything else that I
do. So if I do something bad, send
me an angry e-mail, I just delete it and not Keith.
The other one is because we're going to be talking about
physical fitness and these kind of things.
This information is for informational purposes only.
Talk to a doctor or whatever if you're going to do workout so
you don't get a heart attack andsuicide.
OK. So with that out of the way,
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Keith, you are a personal trainer also have a background
with military stuff done some private protection.
Tell us just a little bit about who you are and your background
and then I've got some some fancy questions for you.
Yeah, absolutely. So I started out my my fitness
journey, I guess you could say, started when I was a kid.
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My grandpa used to wake me up at6:00 AM to go into a spare
bedroom. He had a Bowflex in there and
that's kind of where my my love of fitness began.
Like, I love resistance exercises.
Only Bowflex. This episode's brought to you by
Bowflex. Yep.
I'll expect royalties for this, correct.
Yeah. So, you know, I'd go spend weeks
of my summer with him and he'd wake me up.
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And then when I got old enough, 12, I guess we had, we would
start going to the gym and it was just a, a crappy little gym
in Paris, TX attached to a hospital.
Actually, the membership was like 8 bucks a month or
something like that. But I'd go in there and he
would, to the best of his ability, just kind of guide me
and lead me and, and what it wasthat he was doing.
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And I just really, really enjoyed that feeling of being
sore the next day, even as a young kid.
OK, so you've always been a masochist.
In that sense. Yeah, if you can't tell, we're
in Texas where it's hot and so we're sweaty and there's like,
bugs attacking. So just, you know, that's part
of the training, though. You've got to sweat it out.
You don't need a sauna if you live in one.
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That's part of the functional fitness lifestyle, correct, is
you have to be in your garage and if it's anything below 85°,
you're not doing it right. I agree.
So I agree. OK, well as we get attacked by
creatures, what inspired you to become a personal trainer and
how did your approach evolve over time?
Yep. So I became a personal trainer.
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I actually had no clue that personal training was an actual
job. I thought that, you know, there
was football coaches, you know, strength and conditioning
coaches, things like that. But I never knew that there were
just people that worked at gyms that got paid to teach other
people how to work out. But when I was in the military,
so I was a medic in the military, but my collateral
duty, which is just like an extra job, looks good on your
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resume. I was the command fitness
leader. Let's go.
So I was in charge. Having bourbon as we talk about
health, you know it's good. It's good for the good for the
soul. For the soul, yeah.
So I I was in charge of what wascalled the the fatty platoon,
which is all of the Marines and sailors that were not up to code
when it came to physical fitness, whether they're, you
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know, overweight, failing the run failing whatever it was.
And so I, I basically just as a command fitness leader was a
personal trainer and didn't evenrealize it.
And then when I was getting out of the military, one of my
friends was like, dude, you should be a personal trainer.
And I was like, what's that? And he's like, you can like a
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personal trainer like you, you go to a gym, you work for the
gym, people hire you to help them work out.
And I'm like, that's what I'm already doing anyway.
So I got certified while I was still in the military, OK.
And my philosophy on exercise has severely changed since I was
a 23 year old military personal trainer to now being a 35 year
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old husband father with four kids, back injuries and knee
injuries and stuff like that. My, my philosophy has severely
changed. I used to be, if you ever saw
the show, The Biggest Loser. Oh yeah, right.
Like those guys just knife hand in your chest.
Yeah, get down and give me what's?
That Jillian? And what's the other guy's name?
I the the big buff guy that always wore the tactical pants
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and stuff. Yeah, I forgot his name.
That would. That was me, you know, for a
long time and and for a long time, my philosophy was like,
just beat them into the ground until they can't move anymore.
And then they'll probably get stronger and lose some weight.
And that has severely changed since then.
Yeah. Yeah.
That ends up with maybe some injuries later on. 100% you're
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crushing it. But when you're 40, you're like,
I can't move. Yeah, OK.
You do some things, to my understanding, different than
most trainers. What sets your philosophy apart?
You mentioned how you change your philosophy in military.
It's like grinded out and then working with civilians and such.
It's like, no, there's some better methods here.
Tell us a little bit about what makes your type of training
unique. Yeah.
So my philosophy, I, I kind of equate it to almost political
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right. So there there's a.
It's. Very controversial what you do,
half the country hates it. Exactly.
It's really. So you've got bodybuilders over
here on the right, you've got cross fitters over here on the
left, and there's everything in between.
And I find myself in the middle of that because my goal is not
to just push. You know what I think is cool on
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you, right? Oh, I need you to bench 2/25/10
times and squat 300 lbs and deadlift 500 lbs.
Exactly. It's not about the marketing.
My goal is to help people who need to get in shape with
minimal space and minimal equipment because I don't want
to drive 20 minutes to the gym. I've got a family at home.
I, I don't have time for all that.
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I'm trying to find the equipmentthat I need and some ladies
texting while she's sitting on it or, or whatever, Right.
And so my goal is to boil. I, I, I ask people tons of
questions and I'm going to boil it down to what do you really
want to accomplish? Yeah, that's now my philosophy
is what do you want to accomplish?
And what I've found, you know, my brand anti dad bod squad,
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which funny enough, I used to call it wage war fitness because
Wage War is my favorite band. It's just angry screaming music
that I listen to when I work out.
So I I was like, Oh yeah, wage war on apathy, you know, wage
war on laziness and wage war on excuses.
And then I saw this shirt that said antisocial sober club and I
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just in in my mind, I envisionedhaving my own shirts in it that
said anti dad bod. And then I was like, oh, anti
dad bod squad. That'd be a cool thing.
And so I ended up changing the name of my business to anti dad
bod squad. And but that's really the market
that I've leaned into because I feel like those are the people
that need the most help, right? Like the 18, you know, to 20
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year old kid that's got the mosttestosterone he'll ever have in
his life. And he needs some guidance
probably. That's fine.
But like the people that I'm interested in helping are the
people who need it. And I don't want those people
getting lost in the sauce, so tospeak, on social media because
there's so many different thingsthat can pull you in a many,
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many different ways. And then you end up with just
this, this paralysis by analysis.
Totally. You're just frozen because
you're like, well, I don't know what to do.
So I'm just not going to move. Yeah, they're telling me
opposite things. It's the same way you and I both
do some shooting the instruction.
It's the same way there. I'll watch some video and I'm
like, that will get somebody killed.
That will not work in the real world.
Like it's the same kind of thingwith that so.
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Instructor 0 is awesome dude. Yes, yes, exactly right.
All the balloons. Yes, if you don't know who that
is, don't worry about it. OK, that's fantastic.
What is a common belief or practice in the fitness world
that you think is completely wrong?
So just kind of a, an old wives tale in the fitness world where
everyone's like, you got to do that.
It's it's kind of like the, you know, don't swim after eating
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kind of stuff, you know, like that's not true.
What is one of those big beliefsin the fitness world that you'd
like to call out? Yeah, probably the biggest one
is if you're not sore, you didn't get a good workout, OK.
Now inherently if if you're coming from not working out at
all or a certain type of exercise and you switch to a
different type of exercise, you're going to be sore.
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And that's OK. But that's just because it's new
to your body and your body is trying to recover the damage
that you just did from this activity that it's never done
before. But as you go on in your fitness
journey, you get stronger and your body is able to handle the
the load that you're putting on it.
There's going to come a point where you don't get
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debilitatingly sore anymore. And people will purposefully try
to destroy themselves because they just want to get that
feeling of being sore. But just because you're not sore
doesn't mean you didn't get a good workout.
Are they doing more damage when they do that?
A. 100% doing more damage. Yeah.
So I actually did that to myselfwhen, because I've always been
the skinny kid. Like when when I was younger, I
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was, you know. Real quick, we're outside, there
are flies, there's an airplane, there's somebody's like that's
going on. I was like, this would be cool
to do in the garage. Nope, we're sweaty, but that's
what you're seeing. We're professionals though.
Sorry to you, this is where I live.
Yeah, this is your jam. That's what I'm saying.
Like it's got damn. If watching this doesn't stress
you out a little bit, you're notready to get in shape. 100%
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yeah, you don't deserve to be here.
But yeah, I actually prevented myself from getting bigger
because I was training so hard for so long that I was I was
actually causing more damage andmy body wasn't able to repair
itself in time before I just went and destroyed myself again
the next day. And that's what most people
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don't realize is you grow when you're resting.
So if you're trying to build muscle, you're growing when
you're sleeping. That's why sleep is so important
for fitness, so important. It's not the working out.
The working out you're putting alittle micro.
There's the damage, the feeling is the sleep.
Exactly. And it's like when you break a
bone and it grows back stronger in that spot.
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It's a it's a similar concept with muscles.
It just happens faster. And it's you don't have to wear
a cast. Yeah.
That's helpful. Yeah.
But it's it's the same thing. So if you're just constantly
beating the crap out of yourselfevery single day thinking.
Yeah, yeah. I'm going to get so huge it
you're not, you're not. You're going to make yourself
just get injured. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's helpful. Dude.
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Is there a fitness trend or piece of advice you see online
that drives you crazy because you're you're kind of a
combination of a personal trainer, but also a content
creator. Again, check out anti dad bod
squad and you'll see his videos.And I mean just mustache and
muscles. That's what I call it just tats.
And it's it's he's married ladies, but you know, sorry.
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So what is what is like a very common thing that you see online
that just drives you nuts. Like you see it and you're like.
Yeah, Yep. If you want to lose weight, you
want to burn fat, do more cardio.
That is absolutely false. OK.
That is one of the things that and and it plagues mostly the
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female community, but just anybody who's overweight in
general, for some reason, they think that they need to go start
running. Yeah.
And then they injure their knee running and they deem to never
exercise again. And it gets worse.
Right, Right. Or if it's not wrong, I don't
like running, but I got to get this cardio in.
And, and they're just doing these, these long, drawn out
cardio sessions with little to no weight training.
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And then they're wondering why three, six months down the road,
they haven't lost any weight. And it's usually because a diet
is what matters the most. Yeah, it goes genetics, diet
working out. Is that correct?
The genetics is way above and then diet working out.
Yeah, genetics is way above. You can defeat your genetics to
a certain degree, yes, but it's going to come with strict diet
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and being on a workout program, yeah.
The deck is stacked against you,but you can do it.
The deck is stacked against you,but it's never going to be so
insurmountable that you can't still lose weight or whatever
unless you just have some kind of crazy disease or disability
or something. But generally most of the
population that blames their genetics, although it is a
problem for them, they're just using that because they haven't
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done the work that it takes to figure out the proper plan to be
on, because that's what it takesis a plan, right?
But the, the strength training component is what's going to
boost your metabolism so that you can burn more fat.
So the more muscle that you haveon your body, the higher your
metabolism has to burn to feed that lean muscle.
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And when you're doing these longdrawn out cardio sessions, you
got to realize that your body uses 2 fuel sources for
exercise, whatever you're, whether you're doing anaerobic
or aerobic, which would be, you know, either weight lifting or
running, right? But when you're running or just
doing some kind of cardio, your body is not utilizing fat
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because that fat is not going tosustain the energy that it takes
for you to do that long drawn out cardio session.
It's kind of like, you know thatscene in Titanic when they're
like shovelling coal into the furnace of the ship?
That would be like in that scene, if they were just
shovelling like paper into it, the ship would never get going
because that paper wouldn't, wouldn't be there long enough to
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create enough heat to to fuel the ship.
Right. So your body is using mostly
your your muscle stores at that point when you're when you're
just long drawn out cardio sessions, your body starts to
just eat itself. Yeah, and not in a good way.
Not in a way. Which is why marathon runners
look the way they do. Exactly.
Yes, exactly. OK, so, So what, what should
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somebody do without giving away all the secret sauce?
If, if somebody's watching this and they're like, hey, I, I kind
of just want to lose weight. I've been doing cardio.
I haven't seen results. What percentage of their workout
should be weights versus cardio?So 7030 OK would be a good safe
starting point. OK, most of your exercise, if
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you're just starting out and you're trying to lose weight
should be strength training. You need to build a foundation
of lean muscle that's going to boost your metabolism.
Right now you do need to do the cardio because not to get too
nerdy with it I guess, but thinkabout.
You can dude. We're we're all about nerdy
stuff here. Yeah.
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So think about when when you're if you're doing heavy squats or
something, you start breathing really hard and you start
sweating and and your your heartis just going well.
Why is that? It's because your muscles
require oxygen. What delivers oxygen to the
muscles? It's your blood.
Well, what delivers the blood tothe muscles?
It's your heart pumping harder. And what gets the oxygen to the
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heart? You're breathing.
So you start breathing harder and your heart starts pumping
harder. So yeah, cardio is good.
You want to you still want to docardio?
But you're still getting cardio as you're doing weights if
you're doing it right. Still getting cardio as you're
doing weights, As long as you'redoing it right, yeah,
absolutely. That's helpful.
Can you share a success story where your unconventional
approach? And I say unconventional, it's,
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it's, I think that's the way it's trending.
From what I've seen. The functional fitness stuff is
there's a lot of evidence to back that up where your
unconventional approach made a big difference.
Maybe in somebody's life, your own life, you had the client
that was, I don't know, 800 lbs and now they're 80 lbs, but they
can't move because they're just swimming in skin.
Whatever it is, dude, you tell me.
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Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah.
So I, I've got quite a few of those stories.
I guess the one that sticks out the most, the the biggest weight
loss I'd I would say was a lady.She's in her mid 40s and she
lost over 70 lbs within it was nine months.
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Let's go and it's a. Huge baby to give birth to.
But she she's, she's an Indian lady, right?
Which just inherently it is whatit is.
She's a vegetarian. We're struggling to get protein
in lifestyle stuff. She was just not able to lose
weights or lose weight on, you know, the walks that they they
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take after dinner and stuff likethat.
Well, we got her on a nutrition plan because that's one of the
most important things is a new. The nutrition plan was getting
more protein into her even though she was vegetarian.
We were finding other ways to get protein into her diet.
And then we started strength training and when I tell you she
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could not even lift a 5 LB dumbbell over her head, couldn't
even lift a 5 LB dumbbell. And by the time we were done,
she was repping 220 lbs. You're laying across her arms.
She's. Just pressing me up.
She yeah, she 220 LB dumbbells. Let's go crushing it.
Yeah, right. And had lost 80 lbs.
She sent me text messages of herand her husband on date night
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and like, thank you so much. I love you.
Like just, you know, stories like that.
So I've got weight loss stories and and that's great, but not
everything is about weight loss.Sometimes people are OK with
what they weigh. They just want to feel better
and move better. And I've got plenty of stories
of people with just jacked up lower backs, knees, necks, just
any joint you can think of because they've been killing
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themselves in just a traditionalcommercial gym doing bench press
and all that kind of stuff. And we switched to just kettle
bells, dumbbells and maces. And all of a sudden their joints
are feeling better. They're, they're not, you know,
they, they go to turn to get a cookie off the counter and their
back seizes up. But now they're, you know,
they've got some core strength and they can do stuff like that
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without harming themselves. Crazy how if you actually do the
body's natural motions instead of types of lifts you never do
in real life, how that can. Do that and and that that's what
functional fitness is that that's my whole thing is
functional fitness. And there there's haters on
functional fitness. Doctor Mike Izratelli, if you're
familiar with him, he's this big, you know, roided up
bodybuilder guy. And I'm like, he's like, kettle
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bells only get so heavy. There's only so much that you
can do with a kettlebell. And I severely disagree.
Severely disagree. If your goal is to look like a
bodybuilder, then yeah, kettle bells and functional fitness
probably shouldn't be your thing.
But that's why I said I'm not onthe extremes of bodybuilding a
CrossFit. I'm in the middle of what do you
want to accomplish? And most people that, that I'm
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working with the the dadbod guysthat want to lose the dadbod,
they just want to look better, feel better, move better.
That's right. Most of those guys don't need to
be squatting £400, right? They need.
Because these are real. Exactly, they need to be moving
their bodies as as a unit instead of treating it like a
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collection of different muscle groups.
So I do a lot of full body stuff.
Like very rarely am I just like just going to hammer my chest
out today. It's like most of my my days are
are full body days. Got it.
But that's what most dads that are just trying to be functional
need is stuff like that. Yeah, a lot of people when
there's, because there's a lot of back and forth on social
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media platforms of what type of working out or whatever.
If you just define what the actual goal is, bodybuilder
muscle looks great, but it's very different and not actually
as healthy as other. Like I, I was watching, I was
watching some buds training because I, I interviewed some
some Navy seals and stuff on this.
I was watching some buds training and when those guys are
in buds, these are the best athletes in the world and
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they'll be running with their shirts off and they just kind of
look like normal guys. Some are ripped, but others are
overweight and others are whatever.
And you're like, what? How can they do 30 dead hang
pull ups in a row and 200 push ups in a row and do it?
It's it's their actual strength versus looks.
And so a lot of it depends. If somebody's goal is I just
want to look jacked, that's going to be very different than
I don't want to hurt, which is going to be very different than
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I want to lose weight or whatever it is.
It's hypertrophy, which is your muscles looking fuller but not
necessarily being stronger. Yeah, right.
Yeah. You have to find somebody that
looks the way you want to look, right?
And then figure out what kind oftraining it is that they
typically do, right. But yeah, if you want to look
like a bodybuilder, you're goingto have to do a lot of
hypertrophy style training. If you want to be a power
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lifter, you're going to have to do a lot of strength and
explosive type training. Yeah, I don't care for either.
I don't care to look like a bodybuilder.
I don't care to look or be as strong as a power lifter.
I just want to be able to play with my kids and and look good
at the beach with my shirt off. Yeah, so.
Throw them in the water so far. Like scary far where they're
like, not again. Yeah.
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OK. So if I want to look like Shaq,
I'm just kidding, OK? What is something you've had to
unteach a client that they learned from another trainer or
influencer online? Yeah, that's mostly around diet.
Because again, diet is the crux of all of this, that you can't
outrun the fork, You can't outlift a bad diet.
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I don't care how wonderful or perfectly programmed your
training schedule is with a crappy diet.
It's all for naughty. And so another big problem with
social media is, you know, I lost 40 lbs on paleo and my
sister lost £50 on carnivore. And there's all the these names
for these diets. And when I say diet, I don't
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mean paleo, carnivore, Mediterranean, whatever.
I mean just what goes in your mouth.
That's your diet is what you eatin a day without all the fancy
names. But I've almost every one of my
clients will say something like,well, what do you think about
carnivore? I was thinking about starting
carnivore or insert diet here and they'll say something like,
well, you know, because my sister lost X amount of pounds
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on it. And like, you know why your
sister lost pounds on it? Because she was finally being
held accountable by something, right?
The diet that works is the one you can stick to.
That's right. If you can pick a diet, and I'm
not promoting any of, you know, carnivore, keto or whatever.
If anything, I'd say Mediterranean or Paleo.
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Mediterranean or Paleo for anybody who just really has to
attach a name to something. Those would be the two that I
would recommend starting with. But what I mean is just if you
start carnivore, they're going to tell you stop eating candy,
stop eating, you know, stop drinking Doctor Pepper, stop.
They're going to make you stop eating all this processed food
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and you're going to be focusing on meat or whatever it is for
that diet. And all of a sudden this person
who has cut out all of this processed food is, is saying,
oh, carnivore made me lose 40 lbs.
Yeah. You're like no accountability.
Yeah, I heard AI heard a doctor say this.
Tell me if if you agree with this.
He just said, listen, dieting and losing weight is nothing
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other than math. It is calories in and calories
out. So he said the problem is most
people that do a diet, they do it for let's say a few weeks or
a few months, they lose weight and then something like 90
something percent end up gainingit back because it's not a
sustainable lifestyle. He's like, this is just you.
You need to find not a diet that's really hard for a month
and then you gain all the weightback six months later.
You need to find a lifestyle where calories out match or go
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below calories in depending on whether you're trying to lose
weight or stay at your weight. And that is calories are
calories. Like you can do it in a cupcake
or you can do it in several loaves of bread or or whatever
it is. It wouldn't be several loaves of
bread, but you know what I'm saying.
Or you can, you can't. So give me your thoughts on this
though. I, I have heard that you can
outrun the fork, but it's unrealistically high.
Like Michael Phelps will burn 15,000 calories a day training
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but he's swimming all day at thehighest level possible.
Could the average person do it or would it just be?
The average person doesn't have time to do it.
Yeah, that's Michael Phelps and you know, Dwayne the Rock
Johnson eating his 10,000 calorie cheat day or whatever.
Like these guys are paid to do what they do.
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They have the time to outrun thefork if they eat a bunch of
calories. The average dad or mom who works
a full time job has to get the kids fed and get to the grocery
store and Timmy's got to go to soccer practice.
That guy doesn't have time to outrun the fork.
Got it. And so he has to make the fork
work in his favor. Got it, instead of trying to
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outrun it. But yeah, so calories in
calories out there, there's somemore nuance to that as to the
the quality of the calorie, but.And what your body does like
certain things will cause your insulin to do this and so it is
more complicated, correct? And if you've got sensitivities
or allergies that are causing bloating or different, yeah.
So there there's some little factors that could throw that
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off. But generally speaking, yes,
calories in versus calories out.Now your, your macros, your
protein, fat and carb numbers that make up your total calorie
count that needs to be shifted, right?
Because if, if you just eat, youknow, let's say your, your, your
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number of calories you're tryingto hit is, is 2000 calories,
right? And you just eat 2000 calories
every single day of sugar, right?
You if you're burning more than 2000 calories, you will still
lose weight, but you're going tolook disgusting, Yeah.
You're going to feel disgusting.2000 calories of sugar a day.
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Exactly. Exactly.
So that that's why I say like you got to be careful.
It's not just calories in, calories out, because yes, that
matters for your overall weight,but for how you want to look and
feel. Got it.
The numbers matter, right? So that's that's why you, you
should be aiming for a certain protein, carb and fat goal that
gets you to whatever that total calorie number you you should be
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at. Yeah, I love it.
If you could bust one fitness myth forever, which one would it
be? Go hard or go home.
OK, that, that's a big one for you know.
Well, there goes that T-shirt. Yeah, throw that away, I guess.
Go. Hard or go home.
All my T-shirts are the oppositeof what you say.
They say things like paleo only and go hard and go home.
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Yeah, yeah, but, you know, go hard or go home.
So here. Here's The thing is I with my
clients, I just need you to be consistent and you're probably
not going to consistently go hard or go home, just not going
to happen. But I would rather you have four
days in a row of 70% effort thentwice a week at 100% effort,
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right? I would rather you have more of
those less effort days than a few of the high caliber days,
right? Because again, if you're a dad,
mom, full time job, there's stress, you might not have slept
well the night before or whatever.
You're just not going to always have the go hard or go home
mentality. And that's where people will die
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by paralysis, by analysis. They will just well.
Only work out when I can go all the way, which now you're on a
business trip and you're in a hotel and it's hard or when you
get older you can't. You will break something, and so
there's an element to where someis better than none.
All's great, but you can't always do all, yeah?
That's good. That's really good.
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Do you think social media has helped or hurt people view
health and fitness? I mean, it's probably some of
both, but which one do you thinkit is more of?
Yeah, it's definitely both. If I had to say which one is it
more of, I would say more good, because I know I used to do this
before I would go into the gym to work out.
I would literally pull up videosof Ronnie Coleman and just like,
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watch these. You can literally type in
motivational Ronnie Coleman. Yeah.
And it's like some dude to just like, stitched together a bunch
of Ronnie Coleman going yeah, baby, yeah.
Ain't nothing but a peanut lightweight.
Yeah. And it's just him working out
with, like, heavy metal in the background.
And you're like, yeah, you know,wage war, right.
Exactly. Wage war.
But you know, is there also someunhelpful videos out there that
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are teaching you something that's probably super
inaccurate? Yeah, but there's the spread of
information on the Internet is obviously both good and bad, but
the spread of the good I think outweighs the bad because it at
least it's getting some people to do something.
And you know, if they start trying whatever this was and
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maybe it didn't work, hopefully they go find another way.
But I, I think the motivation that it's that it's gotten
because I, I get a lot of those comments on a lot of my videos
is like, man, I wasn't going to work out today, but I'm fired up
now. And I'm like, OK, there you go.
That that was 1. Of those are quick, it's like,
hey, full body killer workout 15minutes and you're like, I have
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15 minutes. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. For someone just starting their
fitness journey, what's the mostimportant thing to to focus on?
So let's say so not like the client you just mentioned, the
the goal is specifically to loseweight, but somebody's like, you
know what? I'm tired of not being fit.
I'm going to go do something. I don't really know.
Do I join a gym? Do I watch videos?
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Do I go to the garage and let the flies attack us and the
birds caw and all the things like everything is stacked
against us today for some reason?
What what? What advice do you give for that
new that newbie? Get on a plan that that is kind
of kind of like I've been sayingis consistency.
I would rather you have consistency over just a few
random good days here or there. Getting on a plan eliminates
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your need for motivation becauseif you're on a plan, it could
be, you know, Monday and it's here, here's your plan for
Monday and you're like, crap, I really don't feel like doing
this. And if you don't have a plan,
you won't do it. But if you have a plan and you
have a coach or somebody that you're accountable to who's
expecting you to, to accomplish that day, you're going to do it
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because you don't. It's funny how people will let
themselves down a lot easier than they'll let somebody else
down. That's interesting, right?
And so if you are on a plan, thechances of you skipping a day or
or whatever are a lot lower. And plus it's going to keep you
from just winging it because winging it isn't going to help
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you at all. Now, if you go from sitting on
the couch to winging it, that's you will, you'll probably lose a
couple of pounds in the first month or two.
But there's going to come a timewhere where those results
plateau because your body now that it's it's used to at least
getting up and doing something, you're winging it.
It's going to get used to that and it's going to say, OK,
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what's next? And that's where progress is
made is in that what's next phase, right?
So that's why phases on a plan will help you not just do the
same thing. So you don't look like one of
those Zumba ladies, right? Like you see at Lifetime, these
Zumba ladies come and they look exactly the same as they did two
years ago when they started the class.
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And it's because they're just. Brought you by Zumba.
Zumba do a real workout. Jazzercise Yeah, yeah, it's just
if. But if you do the same thing
forever, you will never change. Yeah.
So getting on a plan prevents you from plateauing because the
coach is going to scale your your phases of that program and
it's going to prevent you from just, I don't feel like it
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today. Dude, let's talk about so that
this isn't one of the questions.This is just a tack on for what
you're saying I think is really important.
And guys like Jocko talk about this a lot.
Discipline Trump's everything. It Trump's not just, you know,
not only does it equal freedom because when you discipline
yourself, for example, to play the piano, you actually have the
freedom to play it. You don't have freedom before
then. Same way with working out.
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But there's also an element where he just talks about
motivation doesn't matter because motivation comes and
goes. The whole thing about discipline
is it's a plan, it's something you have to do.
It's something you make yourselfdo.
And so he talks about again being in BUDS and he's like, if,
if success was based on motivation, no one would make
it. When you haven't slept for five
days and you're slurring your speech and you're like freezing
cold, there's no motivation. You just get back in the water,
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'cause they said get back in thewater.
And so there there's something too.
Even having a plan that is not super difficult is better than
no plan. Working out is not like, which
is actually interesting with thefunctional fitness thing.
It's not like trying to get A1 Max Rep on a bench press, right?
That's not life. Life is thousands of reps of
something lighter all the time. And so thoughts on the
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discipline stuff, the motivationstuff.
And then I also want to hear that if you say choose a plan,
because some of the plans we said are not great for is that
one, what what do you favor? I know you like kettle bells,
body weight stuff. What are give us some thoughts.
If people want to go look up plans online or whatever, where
would you gently prompt them to go?
Yeah, yeah. So the the discipline part,
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yeah, I think it was Zig Ziglar that said motivation's like a
shower. You need one every day.
Like motivation is something that you, if you're relying on
motivation, good luck. Like you're going to need to
every single day figure out someway to motivate yourself.
But if you just discipline yourself to do something when
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you don't feel like doing it, then there's freedom in that
because now you're not relying on motivation.
It becomes a habit, right? And that goes for so many
things, whether you're trying topick up reading or fitness or a
better diet or what, whatever, if you can break yourself of
some of the bad habits that you have.
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And it's a lot easier said than done, right?
Like it's not easy to just like,I guess I'll be disciplined now.
This is like Aristotle virtue ethics thing.
You have to practice something when you're not good at it and
then you get good at it. Same way with discipline.
So, so if somebody's listening and they're thinking, man, I
want to work out, I don't feel like I'm very disciplined.
There's a lot of days where I feel lazy and whatever.
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Of course you're not going to discipline now, you haven't
practiced it. You're not going to go be able
to hit a Major League curveball or play the flute today either.
You have to practice it. And so it's the same way with
discipline For, for me, it was interesting because I, I, I did
not work out much when I was a young adult and then I work out
a lot now, but it's not primarily even for the physical.
Yes, I feel better, yes, I sleepbetter.
Yes, when I get sick, I heal faster.
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All those things are huge benefits.
Yes, You know, it looks like youcan grade some cheese on these
ABS, but that's not it. The main thing for me was the
mental. Like even if I never got
stronger or faster, I would still work out because it did
something to me where I'm like, I don't want to do this and it
hurts. And the application of that to
other areas of life. I don't want to do this, but I
have to. I don't want to go to this
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meeting, but I need to. I don't want to read this book,
but I'm a discipline myself to do so.
It's not about the working out, it's about the kind of person
you become. Yes, it's some of it's about the
workout, not trying to die from a heart attack at 39, but also
like so much of it's the middle side.
Tell me a little bit about your thoughts on the mental benefits,
personal benefits. I think most people are a slave
to some voice inside them that'snot them, instead of them
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telling their body what to do. What are your thoughts?
Yep, I call it callousing your mind.
The same way you grow calluses on your hands.
When you do a bunch of dead lifting or kettlebell stuff,
you're definitely going to get some some calluses on the hands.
Ladies wear gloves. It's for guys, yeah.
Yeah, guys, no, yeah. But yeah.
So callousing your mind is this is the same the the same way
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that the constant tension on your palms creates those
calluses, you've got to do that to your brain as well.
And that's, that's what discipline is, is, is when you
have been able to callous yourself away from needing
constant motivation and so forcing yourself to do something
hard every day. I, I, I make fun of David
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Goggins a lot. You know, he he's an interesting
character for sure, but I do love some of his philosophy
around do something that sucks everyday and it doesn't have to
be in the gym. You don't have to go do 1000
pull ups because that would probably suck.
But you know, just something that you don't want to do.
Do it everyday. And I forget the name of the
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Admiral that wrote the book MakeYour Bed.
That was actually a speech. Mcraven Yeah, that's what I was
going to say, Raven but I was saying it's.
More of an Irishy Raven. Yeah, yeah.
But that make your bed, you know, just you get up and and
you make your bed and from that instant you feel like a sense of
accomplishment. And now the rest of your day is
(36:31):
probably going to get better. You started your day by doing
something you didn't really wantto do, which wasn't major.
But you have said the day doesn't happen to me.
I decide how the day goes and then he mentions how even if you
have a bad day, at least you have a good bed to go home too.
Like if you have a terrible day,it's at least it's made.
It's not the whole thing where like one shoot anyway.
So that's great, dude. All right, I got one more for
(36:53):
you and then anything else you want to want to add?
But where do you see the fitnessindustry heading in the next 5
to 10 years? So there's been a lot of changes
recently in the fitness industry, just like in the
medical industry. Where do you see?
Where do you see it headed? Yeah, I see the fitness industry
heading to a lot more people staying at home.
OK, There are. I think that's one of the good
(37:17):
benefits of social media is you don't have to now go to a gym to
get a personal trainer anymore. Now there there's some people
who they don't want to just follow a plan online or, you
know, like they, they really want that physical interaction
with a person or whatever. But I think for a lot of the,
(37:38):
the people who are in their thirties, 40s and 50s that don't
have time to go to the gym, busyprofessionals or whatever, I
think there's going to be a waveof a lot more people staying at
home, realizing that it's not very expensive to put together a
gym because that that's another,you know, another myth, I guess
(37:59):
I would bust if, if you asked meto would be you don't need a gym
full of hundreds of machines. The machines.
How many of them do you use? You know, like you walk in and
it looks intimidating if you're new and if if.
You've got that person that's not doing it right.
It's the pull down and they've got like one leg over and I'm
like, all right, yes, exactly. I'm filming you without you
(38:20):
knowing. You're ending up on the fail
Army page. That's right.
Like you just, you don't need all that stuff.
Like think about the things thatyou actually use and then what
can you mimic? What movements can you mimic
with that at home? That's why I love kettle bells
so much. Just the, the, the center of
gravity on a kettle bell, I think personally is unbeatable
(38:41):
for a single tool. Now, you put together some fancy
machines that do a bunch of different stuff.
Obviously that's different. But for a single tool, an
affordable tool that somebody can buy, put it in their garage,
there's so many things that you can do with kettle bells and
then dumbbells and maces as well.
I mean, that's all I have at home is that I, I don't have
(39:02):
anything else. And, you know, I think I'm doing
OK for myself. Yeah, we're going.
To have you go ahead and take off your shirt for the yeah, so
no, I, I dude, I I think that's super helpful.
Curveball question Taibo, how great is it?
Billy Blanks? Just kidding.
Any any other thoughts you have that you want to share?
Just things that you think will be helpful myths that you've
(39:25):
seen, something you're passionate about when it comes
to this advice to people. Just any kind of final, like I
mean, obviously check out his stuff at anti dad Bod Squad on
the different social media channels and such, but anything
else that people might find helpful that you just want to
share? Yeah, I think you asked me a
minute ago and I didn't get to it about where to go for for
(39:46):
plans and stuff. Because I really think like that
is the biggest thing for a new person is don't just wing it.
Get on a plan. And I mean, nutrition and
fitness and it doesn't have to be that expensive, right?
Like I think that's a a thing that pushes a lot of people away
is the cost, But it's it's probably cheaper than your gym
(40:07):
membership over time for sure. And the things that are good for
you in the grocery store are typically not the things the the
expense comes when you try to dolike an online meal plan where
they have to deliver meals to you.
I'm like, you can go buy a banana.
Like they exist, they're in stores.
They'll even let you have one ifyou give them some money and
it's like or whatever, you know what I mean?
Yeah, and you can make it reallyexpensive, I guess if you want
(40:28):
to, it just doesn't have to be. So another good thing about
social media is there's so many fitness coaches online.
I, like I said earlier, find somebody that aligns with what
your goals are. So, you know, not to be biased,
but me if if you're, you know, in in your 30s, forties, 50s and
you're looking to get in shape with minimal space and minimal
(40:51):
equipment, that's my whole deal right now.
I also have clients who they have access to full gyms and
they want to go use them. So I can write those kind of
programs as well. But find somebody who looks like
you want to look and has a philosophy that you can actually
get behind. Again, Shaq and Kant, yes.
(41:13):
Yeah, go exactly. So I don't know where you'll
find that guy, but he didn't exist.
Yeah, but, you know, because youthere's so many of these
grifters online these days that they're shooting themselves full
of steroids. And so they're huge and they
look like you want to look. Oh, Liver King.
Yeah, Liver King. And so that's why, that's why I
don't just say just find somebody who looks like you want
(41:34):
to look right there. There's more to it than that.
But I also don't believe in taking advice from fat personal
trainers. Yeah, right.
Like I want the person who I'm buying a program from.
It should work for them too. Yeah, exactly right.
Do as I do, not as I say yes andjust but the philosophy behind
why they're telling you what they're telling you needs to
(41:55):
match why you're there. That's good.
Because if they are just saying you should do this so that you
can look like me, well, that's not necessarily my only goal is
to just look like you like how'syour back?
How's your knee pain? You know, because I got a thing
going on here, you know, so likethey, they need to have a
philosophy that lines up with what you want to to accomplish,
(42:19):
not just what they feel like youshould accomplish.
That's good. So find somebody online and just
ask them a lot of questions. I love it.
Yeah, dude, Keith Camberlin, thank you for being on the show
again. Check them out on the different
social media channels. I think we can even include a
post to that in the the video. Thanks so much for coming on
ideological and teaching us how to how to be jacked and healthy
(42:42):
and not have knees blown out andsuch.
Thank you, It's been a pleasure.All right, we'll see you next
time.
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