AEW Hot Topics | AEW Dynamite's 6th Anniversary!

As we look ahead to the sixth anniversary of AEW Dynamite, the AEW Fan Hub community chats about some of the hot topics in All Elite Wrestling, including:

- Orange Cassidy has returned, and with some of AEW's big stars out, Cassidy is returning at the right time. He has a TNT title match vs Kyle Fletcher this week, but beyond that, what do you think is the best way AEW can utilize Orange Cassidy?
- Toni Storm return to Hollywood (FL) this week. Is she going to go after the IWGP Women's Championship next . . . or do you see something else for the tramp?
- Ace Austin has joined Bullet Club Gold. So, where does BCG go from here?
- Blood & Guts has been scheduled for November 12 on AEW Dynamite in Greensboro, SC. Will we see a men's Blood & Guts as well as the women's? What should AEW do to make this event must-see TV? What should they avoid doing?
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And nine Ignition.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Five four three two one zero All engine running.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
Ignition with the AAW Fanhubb podcast team. This is Kelson
and we are heading into a W Dynamite, not just
any AW Dynamite, but the sixth anniversary of AW Dynamite.
Can you guys believe that? I mean, no, I was

(00:44):
only I was only like, I was only like twelve
when that when Dynamite started. Now, I can't back that up.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Gosh, howl for.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
You when Dynamite started, you know, all right? But anyway,
Dynamite is coming and we've got some topics we're going
to talk about. I want to start with Orange Cassidy. Look,
last week he returned to nobody surprise except maybe I

(01:13):
don't know, maybe Sutton, uh, But anyway, Orange, guys, he
returned and he's coming back on Dynamite to face Kyle
Fletcher for the TNT Championship. Do you do you guys
think that OC has a chance of winning this match
against Fletcher for the TNT Championship.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
There all be shenanigans.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah, I so I didn't think. I don't think anything.
Thought that Polgram had a shot either. So I'm not
upset that OC is in this, and I Agreekelson that
nobody thinks he's gonna win, and they're going to use
that to their advantage. I think it the finish is
going to be really fun. But but for you know,
the case that I think it's just going to be

(02:00):
a little it's gonna be a little comedy and it's
going to force Kyle to kind of perform outside of
his comfort zone a little, So I'm really interested to
see how he will respond. Both of them are very,
very creative, and I I think this is going to
be kind of a low key blowaway match that it
does some people don't expect, Hi, guys.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, okay, what's up. Look, there's also the very real
possibility that Okata, Takashta and anybody else that Don Collis
family gets involved in this, and then of course there's
also the conglomeration that can get involved in this.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, yeah, you guys are from everybody, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah, we haven't had a conversation yet, not a real
hardcore one where it's like everybody on hands on deck.
But Holgram's injured, so that would be a small comparatively.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Right, Well, look well, look, I mean we've got that.
I mean, you know, a lot of us are expecting
to cash her to turn. But when it comes to
Orange Cassidy, you know, with all the people that are
out like you know, basically Omega is a like on
a limited schedule. Swerb is recovering from his knee surgery.

(03:19):
Osprey looks like he's of course on a long term vacation.
I don't that's I don't want to be disrespectful. It's
not a it's not a vacation.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
It's devlescent hardcore next surgery that's got to be six
months to a year, would be my guest.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I think they know they he it was big, big time.
I I think I heard him say somebody say that
it was going to be a year at least. But
how did where so Orange Casside is actually one of
the bigger old school or OG names back in a W. Now,

(03:59):
how did a in W utilize him going forward? What
should they do and what should they not do?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I mean I can see him being a stable leader
like yeah, you know.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Put on a mid sized belt, be in charge of
the conglomeration or a similar stable like with the best
friends and sort of Spearhead of Positive Face Faction.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
I could see that he needs to put over a
car Fletcher, which he will do because he's an ex
champion as well, so I can Yeah, he needs to
put up a car Fletcher, make him a superstar and
everything possible. And I really do think he's I don't
see him. I think he needs to gradually get into

(04:44):
fighting again and not go like was last time with
you know, not.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
So much.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
He doesn't need to be he doesn't need to be
out there as much he can make He's so good
to me that his character is so good that he
doesn't need to wrestle all the time. He needs to
be a special attraction kind of like JF in my opinion, Yeah, yeah,
go ahead watch no No.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
I just I mean, I agree his character is pretty strong.
I mean he gets a lot of people costsplaying at
him in the crowd. I saw it when I was
in Garland, like I see it all the time on TV,
Like he's he's definitely a fan favorite in terms of
his character work. The dude can wrestle though, you know,
like he's just a lighterweight guy. It's some of his
stick is obviously jokey, but that's fine, but home, he's

(05:29):
got great moves, he's got an incredible work set, and
he's got a good work rate. He works well off
the ropes, he works well on the ground. He does
chain wrestling well. Like he's just a smaller guy compared
to some of the heavier weights, right, I mean compared
to MJF or like hey Man, and so it's like,
you just play that up. But he could hang with
any heel that is not much bigger than he is

(05:49):
as far as dominating them or playing with them in
a chain wrestling way. I don't see how he couldn't.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah, well look how he Look how he wrapped up
before the injury too. And that's where I was actually
going to start. So you kind of open that door
for me. He left feuding with the darth Runners or
the darth Runners, the death Run, right, he was like
the first I can't even get it right, the Darth Ridders.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Or then whatever, darth Runners.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Right, so he had you know, he was he kind
of spearheaded the Rebellion or the aw Face, pushing back them,
and as he got hurt, that's who he was kind
of feuding with. Now they've evolved and they are not
like the prime evil they were before in the promotion
where everything kind of revolved around them. So Orange can

(06:43):
really go in a lot of different ways in wash
what you were saying about his versatility, Like he can
work with everybody, and that's where his comedy shit comes
in handy, because especially with larger opponents or opponents that
were clearly stronger than them, he works in kind of
that goofball stuff to throw them off they're off their game,
or mix it up, or even just really annoy him

(07:04):
like when hell randomly, you know, hold his hand up
and flip people off when he's passed out or roll
out of the ring. So having him back really kind
of helps plug a lot of those upper upper mid
card to to to main event matches where you need
somebody new you can put in there. They're not necessarily
anybody we think can win the title, but that's that
solid level of upper mid card guy that can elevate

(07:26):
mid carters, and that's what Orange cass. He's very good.
Get somebody you want to bring up teaming with Orange,
perfect exposure. He's going to make him look like a
million bucks fan favorite. He's a he's a real versatile tool.
And so they can plug and play him in really
wherever they need to fill the holes now, and you
could feel him being gone because that's that's what they
did before. And they've got a real versatile tool back.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
I mean, AW seems to have.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Sorry, go ahead, I bet no.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
I was going to say, you know, to something to that.
Very just said, if they're gonna put uh orch cassidy
with a tag team partner, who would you put him with? Honestly,
who would be his tag team partner? I can't think
of anybody in the conglomeration that I would put him with.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Honestlysco that will.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Ye, that would be I don't like it. It's a
good er.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
We AW needs somebody to step step up. They don't
need somebody to be hilarious.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
I'd put him in the Callous Family after he loses
a stipulation match and has to be their butler. Now
follow me with this. I go for during perfect it's perfect,
It's and I totally stole that from a Seinfeld storyline
any Rate season four. Uh So he loses, he loses
some stipulation machine and has become the Callous Family butler.

(08:59):
While he's there, he befriends somebody they want to turn
Babyface into Callous Family in a tag team and begrudgingly
ends up winning the straps or going on a big
run with them, and that's how you turn somebody else
out of the Callous Family as the baby face. But
I would kill to see him forced to be like
Butler and just the stuff he would pull off, just

(09:24):
making Yeah, no, you know.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
But it's a really good point because I do not
think that they need to put Orange Cassidy with Mark
Brisco or Kyle O'Reilly, you know, because they're entertaining. I
know that sounds stupid, but I think you need to
put Orange Cassidy with somebody darker, you know, somebody that's

(09:56):
more serious, because I just don't think that Orange Cassidy
with Kyle O'Reilly or Mark Brisco, for me personally, I
don't want to see that. The other thing that I
don't want to see with Orange Cassidy is for them
to overuse him and put him on every week in

(10:19):
the first match, like they did for better part of
a year two years ago. You know, I want them
to be diverse in the booking with Orange Cassidy. I
want them to do something unexpected like what Berry is
talking about. I would love to see something like that
other than the same stuff that got him there. Wrestlers,

(10:41):
it doesn't matter who they are, they have to evolve.
Chris Jericho is better around forever and how many times
has he evolved in his career?

Speaker 6 (10:48):
Yeah, I like to see more of a darker Orange
Cassidy one who I love the fun, gimmicky stuff, but
he can be a little bit more of between, or
if he wanted to.

Speaker 5 (11:02):
He could probably pull into a biker gimmick pretty easily,
you know what I mean? Like Stade, he can do
a biker thing pretty easily as just the being close
and dark.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Wait wait, what if? What if every time he gets
hit in the head he changes personalities to his bad
guy there? That's serious. Yeah, So like cair shot, he
wakes up and he's Evil Orae Cassidy and then he's

(11:37):
in a ladder match and he falls off, he wakes up,
he's back to but they don't remember anything they've done.
Jack lenn High, well what.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I got a different I got a different take. Instead
of just going to evil, why not go to where
he Every once in a while he also becomes another wrestler.
I mean, he goes to an evil person he gets
hit in the head, he comes back good. He goes
to an evil personality, comes back good, he gets hit
and hit it again, and all of a sudden, he's

(12:07):
Tony Stormy out to the you know, get dragged.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
He doesn't even he'll do that.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
He needs to be in drag.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
I need the walkout music, I need the I need Luther,
I need the whole I need.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Put him, put him in a mixed gender tag with Tony.
He'll do it now. It's perfect.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
Oh my god, I am going to have nightmares about
ors Cassiley laying in the middle of the ring writhing
around sexually.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
But like, think about, think about so he's he's evil
o C and he he does legit join the Callous Family,
and then when he becomes good guy again. The good
guy is always in whatever faction the Calous Family is
feuding with, So like they'll like sneak up to try
to get bad guy Cassidy before matches and stuff. This

(13:05):
is a status.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
It is a It is a wonderfully stupid idea. It's
a fun idea, but it really is stupid, which is
perfect for this podcast and I love you for it.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Speaking of stupid or preposterous and something that works. Tony
Storm is coming back to Hollywood, Florida this week. Look.
Uh there was some stuff that went down and start
them over the weekend where Suri Surrey actually challenged i

(13:50):
w GP Women's Champion Sire to a to a uh
i w GP championship match and he said no, because
my next defense is going to be overseas and we're
going to be uh revealing that match soon.

Speaker 8 (14:08):
Well, all right, I got a dad, so so uh.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Siri posted earlier today that she's on a plane United
Airlines will look like as a matter of fact, so
she's definitely heading to the United States. I believe that
Tony Storm is going to be uh challenged by Sire

(14:41):
for Russell Dream tomorrow tomorrow night on on Dynamite, on
the sixth anniversary of Dynamite. But that's just my belief.
What what's what do you guys think is next for well,
for the champ or the tramp. She's not the champion anymore,

(15:01):
so what's sex for the tramp? That's my belief. I
think I think it's gonna be Suri and Tony Storm.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
I don't know that wouldn't be bad for her to
go after that and maybe.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Do some stuff with that.

Speaker 6 (15:15):
But she just got got rid of a championship. But
what's the different version I g w P in an
n j w P title.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, it is the New Japan time. Keep in mind
also keep in mind also that when Tony Storm lost
the title to Mariah May at all in I remember
she kind of that's when she kind of just wandered
off into the streets of London, uh. And then she

(15:50):
kind of wandered into New Japan and she did wrestle
then i w GP Women's Champion by U with Tani
and lost, and then wandered off into the streets of
Tokyo or wherever the hell in Japan that they were
at the time. I don't think it was Tokyo. Then

(16:12):
she went to New Uh, she went to not do Mexico.
She went to actual Mexico wrestled there. Well, she she
went to Mexico, wrestled there and lost and wandered off
into the streets of Mexico City. So my point is
is that she has gone and wrestled for the i

(16:33):
w GP Championship and lost and put over the current champion,
So this is not something that's like beneath her to do.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
I can see it. Just give some time away.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
I think she needs to a little bit maybe to
keep her keep her uh time, herself fresh, and her
gimmick bresh.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
So we'll see what that good.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
But I'm really interested in where stat Lander's going to
go to be honest, more than more than that Tony.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, I think it's so two things Kelson. I didn't
know where they were going to go, and I didn't
know how to plug those two together. And I did
you know, I watched that stardom show I was talking
about in the chat, so I didn't know that was
part of the promo. I think that's great. That gets
her in the program away from the rest of the women,
because it's important that Chris is a Chris stat Lander

(17:27):
is able to establish her and if Tony is anywhere
in that orbit, she's going to pull too much attention
because she's so good. So this is a great way
to get her in her short term program, right to
the pay per view, and then afterwards when she loses
coming off your storyline, keep her off TV for a bit,
you know. Maybe she says she does not like mad

(17:48):
or crazy, but she's like, maybe Tony needs a vacation.
And then they do as they do the build of
Blood and Guts and they're looking for that fifth team member.
There's nobody on the women's roster I want more in
that match than Tony Storm. They find her in a
dimly lit room and she's like, I've been waiting for
you to call and like it just and that's how
she comes back on TV. I mean, it books itself,
but it gets her off to me and lets these

(18:09):
performers get more of that glow.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Well, well, I kind of agree with you on one thing,
actually a couple of things. I wouldn't mind seeing Tony
Storm in the Blood Cuts match. I agree with you
that she doesn't need to go after stat Lander, Mercedes Monet.
We've been there, We've done that. You know, I don't.
I said this last week, Tony Storm is so good

(18:33):
that she can be relevant without a title around her waist. However,
that being said, don't forget that we've probably got a
aw Women's Tag Team Championship tournament coming up that she
could participate in that, which would legitimize that tournament and

(18:55):
make it must see to a different extent, you know,
her and Mina. I mean, or you could pay thunder
Tits is right, there's.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Too yep, oh that's a good one, you know.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
So well Thundertits, stuck, Thunderstorm, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Yeah, well what Tony called it? Yeah, but anyway, Yeah,
you gotta let the division breathe a little bit, keep
her on TV and you know her being away for
a couple of weeks. When she does return, she's gonna
get a huge pot and you can plug her into
legitimate you know, blood and guts, or plug her into
that that tag tournament. That's a good idea.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Too, you know. But I love the idea, I really do.
I love the idea of Suri coming two a W
specifically to challenge Tony Storm for the iwg GP Women's Championship.
And of course, in no way, shape or form, should
Tony Storm win that title, she does not need it.

(19:57):
They should use this to put uh uh SII over.
Not that Sire really needs to be put over, because
she's fantastic, but you know, exposer, I don't think she's
ever had any exposure to an AAW crowd live, so
this would be great for sire although you know, American
audiences are somewhat familiar with Siri because she was Soirey

(20:23):
in WWE, which brings me to another thing, you know,
because WWE is partnering with Marigold right now, and although
they are sending WW is sending Eo Sky to Marigold
to have a match against Mayui Watani this month, well

(20:46):
next month. I'm sorry, Hey, you know, WWW really isn't
doing anything with Mayrigold, and Marigold is struggling, and meanwhile,
look at how much Awn Artem are working together. I mean,
it's been a constant. You know, it's not overdone, but
it's been a constant. We're bringing people in from stardom

(21:08):
to wrestle, like Bozilla and Azuumi and you know just
a you know, Mina shir Kaala obviously a Tekla, but
obviously we're getting you know, the partnership is working there,
and of course aw Assent, you know, and a Jay
over over there. Mercedes Monet wrestled, you know, on behalf

(21:29):
of Stardom, and so did Mina Shirkawa. Athena has been
over there for Wrussell Dynasty.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
You know, they were new Japan Strong shows a lot
in the States here for him too.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, exactly, you know, that's what I'm saying. That's one
of the cool things about New Japan is that they
do have a strong championship, which is a United States
or North American championship, So it kind of forces you
to go and do that, which is good. You know,

(22:05):
I enjoy that. And then of course you also have
the Japanese Championship that cmlll and startup her partners on that.
So I mean the partnership is really working, is my point.
And Tony Storm has been a big part of it.

(22:25):
I mean, she's gone she like I said, she did
wrestle by Yubatani in stardom, you know, and and put
her over and now she's gonna probably do the same
thing for Suri.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah. One of the nice things that's come out of
kind of the new global territory era, I guess you
could call it because you've really got two competing territory systems.
You've got the WWE territory system and the AW territory system.
But it's it's a little less top heavy than it
is on the WWE side, but it brings back a

(22:59):
lot of the similarities to the old territory system. They
had their own champs and then when somebody would get
you know, lose a little heat, they'd grown to a
new territory and they bring in a lot of new
energy and juice. And that's kind of the neat thing
is Forbidden Door gave us a taste of that really
early on, and that was the concept and now we
see it all the time, which is one of the

(23:20):
reasons for Biden Doors and seems so special. But you
really do get a lot of the benefit of that
old territory system and you have big stars that come
in and do some runs and go at and then
your your people go over there and bearing talent is
what keeps a lot of this stuff fresh. And it's
just a real treat. We're really really lucky as fans
right now.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
We really yeah. I mean, when it comes to the
global territory, is you called it hey, w's crushing ww
I'm sorry, that's not even close. You know, it's it's
something I agree.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
Tell me is investing a lot on getting a really
solid footprint in the UK, like he wants to be
the UK's number one wrestling you know, promotion if they can.
That's why they're doing a lot more like that's that's
an area they really think they can grow since WWE's
attacking Europe broader, but they think they can get they
can get into UK and get a restaurant foot holder

(24:14):
as a member.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, well, we'll look at Pro Wrestling EVE Pro the
league which is actually part of our discord and posted today.
As a matter of fact, Will Osprey is one of
the producers of those shows. It's where Alex Winzer came from.
And Nile Rose is their women's champion right now. Chris

(24:35):
Statlander is their International Championship Champion right now. Uh. And
in recent weeks we've had Sky Blue, Julia Hart, Queen Amnada,
Tricia Dora. Uh. There's been many a W talents that
have gone over there. In the last i'd say three months,

(24:56):
it's got to be like seven or eight women from
AW they're going over there, which is great because they're
getting the exposure, they're getting the work that they wouldn't
be getting, you know, and it's always good to work
with somebody else. I'm going to be honest with you.
When you look at Pro Wrestling, Eve got Anita Vaughn,
You've got Sapphire Red, you've got Nina Samuels. These women
are terrific and I you know, and I and I've

(25:18):
left off a few, you know, to be honest with you,
I mean, I've watched the Pro Wrestling EVE shows and
they are highly entertainment and eighteen plus by the way, yeah,
not for kids, but really really entertaining with some really
good wrestlers. And when you look at like Anita Vaughn,

(25:39):
and I know Nina Samuels has wrestled at AW before,
like on the Dark Days, I believe he Anita Vaughn
has as well. I mean, this is the kind of
thing that if you know, if you can be set
by injuries, there's all kinds of work that can be done.
I mean a dublin. But my biggest point there is

(26:00):
that especially on the women's side, because let's face it,
the men's side with New Japan. New Japan's kind of
on a down period right now, so there's not a
whole lot that they can be done there. I mean,
Aw's sent to Keshto over there obviously and helped them
out with Takesha, and I believe Kevin Knight is also
on a dual contract with New Japan. But you know

(26:23):
the women side of AW is just super strong right now,
super strong not only in their roster, but in the
roster and stardom and Pro Wrestling EVE and whatnot. So yeah,
it's by the way, Pro Wrestling eves A has a

(26:45):
pay per view on Friday, I believe it's at three
pm Eastern time, and you can watch it. Obviously you
can go to the show if you live in England,
but if you want to watch Pro Wrestling EVE, you
can go on their YouTube channel. It is this ription
nine nine a month will be allow you to watch
not only their shows, but they're archived as well, and

(27:07):
it's well worth it. They are really good wrestlers, really good.
Love it. I've highly entertained, so give it a shot. Well,
let's move on because we saw something interesting this past week.
Ace Austin joined Bullet Club Gold. So now that we've

(27:32):
got three members of Bull Club Gold and hopefully they
can all stay healthy, where do you see Bull Club
Gold going from here?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Rios?

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Do you think they'll go for the trios Championship?

Speaker 4 (27:47):
I don't. I mean, I don't know if they'll be
in trios matches because there's three of them. I think
they'll see we'll see a lot of tags too, but
a keep them on TV and their babyfaces right now,
they cut fun promos, They've got a really fun style.
Juice is super over. Keep them on TV. And when
you got baby faces like that, you want to pair

(28:09):
them up and feud them with the most annoying heels
you've got. And that's the Callous Family. They don't need
to be in the top, they don't need to be
feud with their big guys, but just have them be
a pain in the butt when Callous is feuding and
his big boy you know, Takesha or whatever and Okada's
screws him over and the Callous family is beating down.
Take the guns can be some of the people that

(28:30):
runs out, you know, because they're feuding with them. Like,
keep them with an annoying heel and keep them on
TV to get over so that as the other guys
come back, now you can plug them into a major
program as you'll have j White the other gun back.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, dude, we'll let me ask you a question. I
know how to phrase this, but everybody that we've talked about, Orange, Cassidy,
Bullet Club Gold all gone back to the don At
what point do we not need to involve don Kallis

(29:05):
family and everything? I mean, do you think that maybe
you know that the that the don Kallis family should
be left out of this and like you said, go
to the.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Ops, Well no, I mean that's that's who they're feuding with.
They got the belts, they're they're the big heel faction now.
I mean they're the biggest heel faction right now by size.
So yeah, Kyle Fletcher's the top draw form right now.
They're the big heel faction. And so if you've got babyfaces,

(29:36):
you're gonna feud them with a big heel faction. The
second heel faction is the Death Writers, and they're feuding
with the Ops right now on Derby. So like they're occupied,
which is why I didn't bring them up. Callus still
has a lot of bodies just because they're so big.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Use it.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
Yeah, for now, they're going to have to be on
it until the big names come back, I.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Think any more heels. Hey it works time all right?
Yeah yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you easily just put him against
like Rocky Romero, Lance Art or Alexander you know, do
that a few times, then you know, maybe they have
Saro in one, or there's a lot of options because
there's like ninety seven people in the John Cowis.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yea, right, well, Donald, you know, it doesn't necessarily have
to be going for a belt right away, so you know,
you could also go again. I think one of the
strengths of AW right Now is that there's a lot
of storylines that have no titles involved in them. Don't forget.

(30:45):
You've got the Hurt Syndicate sitting right there, and the
Hurt Syndicate I've seen multiple times this week where MVP
is saying that he wants to add another member to
the cert Hurt Syndicate, a young high flyers. Typically he
didn't allude to who he was talking about, but maybe
he doesn't even have anybody in mind, but that's what

(31:07):
he wants, so and I think that would be a
great addition to the Hurt Syndicate. And you know, again,
you don't have to have a title. It doesn't have
to be a title for you. It could just be
a you know, a rivalry. Yeah, who is a w
R A.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Or r O ah really fits that role right now,
Kevin Knight. Yeah, they're too good as a team. Yeah,
the other one that really comes to mind is.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Said when you said that time, the first guy that
came to my mind was Lee Johnson, and.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
He would say, I just I mean him and Blake
Christman are working well together, doing pretty good in r
O AH, So do you pull him away from that
for something that may or may not work for him?

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Right?

Speaker 4 (32:06):
I think you make that work for him. He's got
a great he's a good looking dude. You put him
in a suit, he's gonna look incredible. He doesn't. And
they're not like they're not heels, they're just mean guys,
if that makes sense, and he needs a little something
and he and I think being in that group, especially

(32:26):
working with MVP and how smart he is and how
to really get things across and develop stuff, I think
he'd benefit from it a lot. I think that was
a really good suggestion.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Actually, I did notice during that tag match when they
announced them it was the swirl, he kind of rolled
his eyes and like he's made no secrets that he
doesn't like that name. Yeah, maybe Blake Christian's antics get
on his nerves enough, like just like take this shiit seriously, dude,
you don't want to these guys, do.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
I really wouldn't mind seeing those to join together on
on Hurt Syndicate and be their tag team because I
like Blake Christian, I really do. It would put some
Flake and put somebody else in there, and they don't
have to be an all black team. They can be
you know, m Jeff isn't it for a little bit,
so it doesn't have to be that.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
But yeah, but what happened they added another white boy.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Well Jars teams, so I think would work just fine.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
And the Hurt Syndicate, yeah, I meanndic it has to
match well.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
But but Christian Blake can Blake Christian Blake Christian.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, but like Christian could.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, but if you're the Hurt Syndicate, why would you
take Blake Christian? You know, why would you take John?
But he's not a winner, and he's not he's the
he's the kind of guy who gets the crap you
pretty well on.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
I wish in there, but I don't see that happening.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
That's that's not going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. My My
point is is that they're looking for a high younger,
high flyer. That's what m v P said. I don't
really think Blake Christian is a younger high flyer. I'm sorry,
I just don't. I don't think he fits. I don't,

(34:33):
I don't. I don't think he fits the mold I
think more likely than not, Blake Christian is along the
Frankly speaking, he's along the Lee Moriarty type of wrestler.
You know, he's a he's more of a technical guy,
a pure, pure guy who could partner with Lee Moriarty,

(34:53):
no problem. I don't see him having a problem with that.
But I just don't think he's a He's a hurt
into kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
He does all kinds of crazy high flying moves, though
he is absolutely a high flyer.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Yeah, he looks like fire than Lee Jompson is.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Like you got them reverse. You can't make Lee Johnson's
more technical. Blake Christian's more of a high flyer.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
You can't make Blake Christian look intimidating. I'm sorry, Yeah, yeah,
that's yeah. Why it doesn't work. It doesn't matter how
what a style is like he's he won't look. Yeah,
you will not look the part. That's that's fine.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
He look when it comes to high flyers, and uh
why not. I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Eddie Kingston yet because
you know, well there you go. But anyway, lots of
move on, don't AW did finally announce because everybody we
we were speculating about this on the AW pant hubs subreddit,

(35:58):
you know, this week. I think we even talked about
it on the podcast last week with when are they
going to do Blood and Guts? Well, they announced that
Blood and Guts is going to take place on November
twelfth on a W Dynamite Dynamite in Greensboro, South Carolina.
The question is is it just going to be the
women's Blood and Guts or is it going to be

(36:20):
the men's Blood and Guts as well? Are they going
to do two Blood and Guts matches in one evening?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
I think? I think, I think the I think the
men's kicks off to show the women's main events.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
I don't know, man, I.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Think us versus don callous family.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
I don't think you should do TOO. I think it's
just the women this time. I don't. I don't think
TOO is smart. I don't think the crowd will make
it through too. Yeah, if you do TOO, it's not special,
It's it's one Blood and Guts match this year the
women have it, give them a ladder match or something instead, but.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
More involved in it, and maybe that's fine something.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
The main reason I think it's both is because there's
a decent amount of time until Like, why have Jamie
hay Or yelled blood and Guts this week if it's
not happening for six weeks?

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Got to build a team, so they.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Can also build up, so they can build the women's
teams and the men's teams. The men well, the men's matches,
because there's already a built in one there. I mean,
Death Riders, Darby, Hangman Ops. There's your deal, but you
need to build it up where but there's stuff in
between that they got to get through, and that's where

(37:51):
Darby can be like, you lose, you're done.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Well. I have to go with Burry on this one.
I absolutely do think that this is a women's Blood
and Guts and the men should take the year off.
We don't need two blood and Guts matches. The men
match would be senseless to me at this point. It

(38:18):
would be overkill and frankly probably be a little bit boring.
You know I too, Yeah, unintentionally, I just don't think
that I let the women cook you know, let them
have their moment. Now. One thing that I absolutely do
not want to see. Look, i've criticized a W for

(38:43):
having these four on four, five on five, you know,
eight man, eight women, all star five hundred K matches
leading up to Blood and Guts. They absolutely do not
need to do any of that anymore. Sure, put them

(39:04):
in tag matches, put them in singles matches. The participants
that are going to be in Blood and Guts do
that singles matches and tag matches, and that's it. You
can't have four on four matches and then have a
Blood and Guts with the same women just in a cage.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Five on five. Thing they could do is five singles
matches like a series. Basically each person on the team
wrestles person on the opposing team, and three wins they
get the advantage.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Yeah, so that's true.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
That's very very good idea.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
I thought about this a lot. And since this occurs
after the pay per view, here's how I boocket. So
between now and kind of the pay per view, we've
seen all of the women. They're feuding with each other
right now, So like each week calson to your point,
that's who we see. Russell on TV, So they're wrestling
each other leading up to but they're not necessarily wrestling

(40:01):
each other already on the team. So we get each
of those feuds and they remind us each week, and
then each of those will peel off to one team
or the other, And so between now and up to
the pay per view, that's how you start to establish
the team. And then at the pay per view, put
a stipulation match for Glund and Guts. The captain of
each team has somebody out there with them or whoever,

(40:22):
and the winning team is the one that starts it
gets the first entrant in which.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Gives gets gets the advantage, right.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
And that's one of the things I want to see
them start doing is building between the pay per views
and the super shows and kind of relate them more together.
But that's a way you can get a women's match
that doesn't involve a title with a lot of significance
on the pay per view, right.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
But again, the reason I had even mentioned having some
tag matches because got the women's tag team and those
are important. I mean, we can't ignore them and then
just crown a champion. I you know, I saw somebody
post down aw Fano but I'm not gonna call the
names what they posted. Oh you know, wreussell dream. My

(41:05):
dreamatch would be Tony Storm and Mina Sheri Kalla against
whoever for the AW World Tag Team a w Women's
Texting Champions. I'm like, no, that's too soon and it
doesn't make any sense. There's no build. You got to
build toward it, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
So are they doing?

Speaker 6 (41:24):
Are they doing two this year type thing for women's
or what they said what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
They haven't said anything about it. I think they have titles.
I'm hoping for like a sixteen team deal and bring
in some teams from CMLL and start even.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
And they talked about the C two. I think Tonya
mentioned or somebody in an interview that they want the
women and women's because the C two takes a significant
period of time, they up and running on like opposite
parts of the year, So like the women's would be
the spring, the men's would be the fall because then
the Owen is a much shorter tournament, so it doesn't
really matter. But because the C two takes you know,

(42:11):
two months to run, they'd want them back half as
the year. So if they do run run of women's
it'll be kind of like that, I think.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Well, you know, the question is that the men's C
two has a definite end goal, you know, the title.
What does the women's SEE two have a shot at
the Would it be like the the one in start
in the Stardom they have the five Star Grand Prix

(42:39):
and the winner of that gets to pick who they
want to pace. Normally it's for a title, you know,
but they don't have to pick for like the World
of Stardom champion, you know, or the Startom World champion.
They go for anybody. But uh yeah, I mean they've
got to establish it to do the C too. One

(43:01):
of the weaknesses, and I've said this bore, one of
the weaknesses with a W is that they say, okay,
we're gonna have a tournament, and then they don't announce
a bracket. They kind of dynamically announced the bracket a
lot of times instead of just here's the bracket. This
is what we're doing.

Speaker 6 (43:16):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Now, they've done well with the C two in announcing
the entire brackets, but when they've done things like uh,
tag team brackets and stuff like that. Remember when they
did the blind thing that got MJF and Adam Cole together.
They just kind of made the teams as they went,
you know, and it just didn't make a haul of

(43:38):
a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Well, it was a different scenario that was to be
a blind team. So it's like, we don't know who
the teams are. They don't know who the teams are,
but we also we also didn't know.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
We also didn't know if okay, it's Tuesday, or we
having a tag team match for this in this tournament
on Wednesday. It was it was horrible booking that.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
It was fun. It was fun.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Because it was fun because of Adam Cole and m JF.
Because let's face it, the entire purpose of that was
to get Adam Cole and MJU together. There was no
other reason for.

Speaker 9 (44:19):
Up.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
I'm sorry, so uh didn't. Lance Arzer and Brian Cage
also came up during that tournament.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
I anybody that teamed up that it was only about
Adam Cole and MGF. I couldn't tell you who was
in that tournament.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I remember Brian Cage teaming up with someone and then
being a solid team. I think the team that m
JF and Adam Cole beat in the finals.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
So it was something you said earlier reminded me of
something I had come across. Remember, they had to run
a they did a tournament early or for something, and
they couldn't finish fleshing out in the brackets, and everybody
thought it was stupid. If it turns out, Tony had
people planned and they got hurt and so we had
to kind of rewrite the brackets. From what I understand,

(45:11):
this is a similar case where Tony had to make
this announcement because of the plans on how they have
stuff rolled out, but they don't have some talent that
they were looking to use. I'm assuming, and I didn't
put it together a minute ago, that some of that
talent may be from d MLLL or Stardom that they
want to bring in for a couple of shows. That
might make sense why they haven't announced anything yet because

(45:33):
they haven't secured the dates for the people be able
to use them.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
I mean, Mace Ruga has already said that she wants
to team up with Emmy Sakra in the you know
in this, and there's been other teams that are in
you know the indies that have expressed interest said, hey,

(46:00):
you know aw is doing this let's team up and
let's go for it. So this could be a bigger
thing than we're expecting.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Do a do a twelve person team like the C
two and they do four matches and then the top
six or the top eight go into the elimination round.
So it's you know, four matches, semis in the finals,
and boom. You had a fun three month program right there. Yeah,
every matches stakes, you know.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, you can have an eight to eight tournament, maybe
a double elimination tournament, and you could have four or
five six eliminator matches to get into the tournament.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
They have booked very compelling C twos every year. They
know how to book these tournaments with a lot of drama.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Yeah, except for the first one. The first one sucked.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
The last time it yeah, it is a possible winner.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Well, the reason I say to the C two the
first C two sucked is that the matches were good.
Don't get me wrong, the matches for By and Marge
were good. But they telegraphed too the winner was going
to be before he even started. Everybody on this podcast
knew who the winner of the first C two was
going to be. It was kind of pointless. The second

(47:12):
one was so much better.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, so much especially since the winner was just such
an awful choice.

Speaker 6 (47:20):
Well, but we found out I think we found out
why he won. And like Tony and Eddie had been
hanging out, so maybe that's why he chose him. I
don't know, but it wasn't a good choice.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
But yeah, but it was. It was stupid. I don't
know if you remember this, but when they announced the brackets,
they did it via a a YouTube show and Eddie
Kingston shows up on the YouTube show, YouTube show, and
he had two belts at the time. I can't remember
which one it was. Eddie announces on the YouTube show

(47:55):
he's putting up his two belts and entering the tournament.
At that point we knew that Eddie Kingston in the tournament.
They were going to take the Eddie New Japan Belt
off of Eddie Kingston a n n A W tournament.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah, but my point is that it ruined. It ruined
the tournament. And there's nothing against Eddie Kingston here. It's
it's just that you can't telegraph something that badly.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Yes, yes you can, Yes he can. You absolutely can.
Tell me a time you went to a movie and
did not expect the good guy to win.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Eddie wasn't.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
That's different.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
No, it isn't. Stop thinking, stop thinking about professional wrestling
like sports and reality, and think of it as a
TV show. That series was based on an establishing Eddie
is the underdog with all three belts and the most
stakes on the line, and that turned into following Eddie
to pursue his dream. That was the story. That was

(48:56):
the season they've been in there. Now you're the best
and most compelled character. No, it wasn't. But we knew,
like you said, from the get go, he was going
to be the guy that got it because that's that
was what the season was about. He was the main character.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
I have to disagree with you here bury it, but
I disagree with I mean to disagree with your analogy.
I'm going to tell you why you made a good
analogy saying what you did about the movie. Okay, but
there's a difference between a two hour movie and a
tournament that has many matches over many weeks. When you

(49:30):
enter a tournament that's going to take a month and
a half and you know days before the tournament who's
going to win it no matter what it takes, the
luster away from it. I'm sorry it does. What's the
point of watching a match, you know you I don't
even remember who was in there. But like if you

(49:51):
have a dream match, put you know whoever against whoever.
You know, it's not gonna matter because it's not Eddie Kingston.
Eddie Kinkson is going to win the tournament. So it's
not even good or it's not even good. And the
other thing is the other thing about your analogy that
doesn't work for me.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
It does, I'll tell you no.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
The other analogy that it doesn't work for me is that, yes,
you may be righted that the good guy is going
to win. When you go to a movie, you always
expect a good guy to win most of the time.
But there were more than one good guys.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
So in the tournament, my analogy works at the end.
Remember when I said they have to be a compelling character.
That's why it failed. It's not that the story had
a problem, it's that the character just wasn't compelling enough.
There are a lot of people who like Eddie Kingston.
I like Eddie Kinson. I enjoyed the story, but Eddie
Kingson is a niche wrestler. Most fans enjoy him for

(50:49):
who he is. But the fans that are really in
him are really into him for specific reason. It's a
niche thing that wasn't going to work. The story idea
was fine, and they've done it and everyone just more
successful than the first season. They just had the wrong
character for that story.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Yeah, but he beat like Daniel.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
He wasn't compelling enough. He wasn't.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
That's that's not believable to me.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
No, yeah, that that is that was It was imposterous.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Just wasn't compelling enough.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
No, it wasn't executed. Yeah, I mean, the.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Story wasn't a better idet. It just wasn't compelling enough.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
You should have been the dogs who lost four in
a row and then won his final match, not the
guy who won the whole tournament.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Well, honestly, when we were doing the podcast, every one
of us picked Eddie Kingston to win the tournament. Uh,
every one of us picked Eddie Kingston to lose his
first match, the only surprise in the entire tournament. In
the entire tournament, the only surprise was that Eddie Kingston

(51:56):
lost the second match. None of us expected that that
was the only surprise in the entire tournament. Is that
Eddie Kingston lost the second match, and when he lost
the second match, and he had guys like Danielson and
Moxley and whoever in front of him who were much
more accomplished and much better wrestlers. Look, I understand that
Eddie Kingston was like the the underdog, you know, the

(52:21):
little red engine that could, or whatever you want to
call it. You know, but it doesn't take away from
the fact that, as as Barry said, it wasn't executed
really well, and as I said, it was kind of
really far patched to preposterous.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Well, I don't fault Eddie for that, like I said.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
No, not at all.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
It's just the story was not compelling enough to a
wide enough audience. Like I said, I really enjoyed it.
I really did, because I like his character, but it's
not a broad enough character for it to work in
that tournament.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
My thing was is that I liked the When I
I looked at the very first C two, I looked
at the matches as matches. I didn't look at them
as tournament matches because I knew that Eddy Kingston was
going to win. I was just enjoying the matches for
what they were, and.

Speaker 10 (53:13):
Yeah, and I didn't feel like, you know, there were
some matches in there that I didn't even have to
watch because they didn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Spiller, they got.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
It was the first time they did it, and that
was a narrative they tried to use for that tournament,
and it is a perfectly fine narrative approach. The second time.
Third times, they took a different approach and it worked
much better the second time. And that is their model.
That's the model they used going for.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
The second second time. That's so much better. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Yeah, it just takes a while to figure out the
model you're going to book.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
It's very instance of the sequel being better than the original.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
You know, it was much better. And like I said,
I think it just came down to you know, and
it has really nothing to do with ed Kingston per se.
It's just that when they announced the brackets and they
had Eddie Kingston come out and and announced that he
was joining and he was putting his two belts up,
it just kind of rooted the tournament for me, because

(54:13):
you knew who was gonna win before the tournament even started.
Had had it been Orange Cassie, or had it been
John Moxley, had it been claudio casting. Only anybody that
had two belts and done the same thing they were
knew that they were gonna win. It's not Eddie Kingston
hate it's just poor. It was telegraphing who was gonna win.
I mean it just sucked every single ounce of you

(54:38):
know doubt. I don't know who was gonna win. And again,
like I said, I watched the tournament and I just
watched them as matches. I didn't watch them as tournament matches.
I didn't care. I just watched them.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
There were some really great match.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Guys. I got to see the mocks J White first
Rickman Final live in the front. I posted the video
of when they fought past in front of me. That
was that match. Yeah, triple threat that Max one to
face Eddie.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Unfortunately it was Kingston.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Well it move on.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, there are two other mess that were really.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Well. Let's go on to our pot Pourrix. Uh does
anybody have anything in that they want to talk about?
As far as pop Purri goes.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
I do. I will be at the Collision taping on
Thursday in Lakeland, Florida. First time doing four seats at
an aw show. Usually I'm up a couple of rows,
but I'll be third row right, should be on camera
most of the time. So if you see a tall,
handsome fellow with a black T shirt, that says cool
soup lex Bro and I look forward to taking a

(55:59):
bunch of great pictures and sharing them on the discord.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
That sounds good. And uh I was about to ask,
if you see a tall handsome bro in the first row,
you're sitting next to them. I thought you were going
to say that, so but yeah, so this is not
a live show. Then it's a taping for the following Saturday.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
I think it's taping for Saturday. I don't think it's
live this Thursday.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Yeah, that's that's cool.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah, I think the next two collisions are going to
be tight.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
This on a two hours. Lakeland's only like a two
hour drive from Hollywood, so you know, it's just right
up the road for them.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah, I have I have family in Lakeland, and you
know I would be like, just go and go to
the show.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
But it's more than two and a half hours. But
it's not a far drive. It'll take me a bit
to get there from Orlando.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
But well, anybody else have Appropria didn't want to bring up.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
I do, But.

Speaker 11 (57:07):
Did anybody, Okay, this is kind of a WWE thing too,
did anybody I've been made aware that there's a day
where n XT and and uh AW have a show
on the same day.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah, title Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I think it's yeah, title Tuesday for AW going to
get showdown. Well, it's not called invasion, it's called showdown.
They changed.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
I don't understand why they changed it. I think it
was a dumb move to do.

Speaker 6 (57:41):
People are calling tone deaf, but maybe I'm missing something.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Are you talking about as far as why they don't know?

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Why they why they change the name?

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Why did they change the name from invasion to Showdown?
Is that what you're asking? Yes, Invasion is taking place
or was going to take place before it was changed
the Showdown?

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (58:04):
What is taking place on October seventh, which is the
same day as courses title Tuesday, which is of course,
which is of course Kelson's birthday.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Birthday.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Well it's not my birthday. Yeah, it's October seventh. But
what I but the thing is is that invasion. Uh
it made it upsets some Jewish people. Uh and in
my opinion, rightly, so October seventh is two years ago,

(58:39):
was the day of the Gaza incursion. Uh, and many
Israelis on and on a Jewish holiday. Uh, it was
just not a good thing. Put it that way. I
don't want to get into politics or anything like that,
or war or even pretend that I know as much
as I don't know, because I don't. But anyway, having

(59:00):
a show called Invasion on that particular day did infuriate
quite a bit of the Jewish community. And I even
posted something when Invasion was announced. I was like, that's
not a good thing on that day. I mean, even
I knew it wasn't a good idea. I did mention something,

(59:20):
but to the fact that WWE just simply can't just
can't get out of their way when they did and
change the name from Invasion to Showdown, which was done
earlier today, I did make a quickly beta post and said,
you know, kudos to WWE for acting on this invasion

(59:43):
in and of itself. I understand why they went with
the name because it does have some history, obviously, but
just on that particular day it was insensitive. It had
been on a week later, nobody would have said a
damn thing about it, But on that particular day. It
was insensitive and they did the right thing by changing

(01:00:05):
it the Showdown. So I have to give praise to
WWE and everyone involved for getting that done, you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Know, because unintentional thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Yeah, I mean, they did the right thing, and that's
all that's important. You know, the show, whether it's Invasion
or Showdown, was still going to be the same show.
The name doesn't change anything other than just the name.
But the name was just insensitive. It was insensitive unintentionally,
so unintentionally, so I don't believe it was done with

(01:00:43):
any kind of malice whatsoever, and they changed it. It
was the right thing to do, period. That's the end.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
I'm going to come down on both sides like I'm
in the camp where are you know? Because I knew
it was unintentional, and it's it's not part of American
culture to know about that offhand. That it was just
like whatever, you know, it's it's a historical name. And
on the flip side, that's a decision by a company.
A large enough portion is upset and it's not like

(01:01:10):
an extreme minority that are just clutching pearls to clutch
pearls and they're affected and they want to respect those
people and change it. You know, that's not something I
think people should be upset about either. You know, it
doesn't really matter. They want to try to make people
happy at the bottom of the sort. And if you're
hung up on a name like this for a show
that didn't exist before a week ago, it's like, get

(01:01:32):
over yourself. It's just who cares, you know, Let it
go go?

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
You know what though, you know what though't you know?
Look when you're looking at and I'm not even talking
about the wrestling community, I'm talking about the internet. I mean,
what are we boycotting today? What are we mad about?

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
You know, you just can't put fuel on the fire,
whether it's intentional or in this case, which I get
I believe was completely unintentional. Uh. You know, sometimes you
just got to say what the hell I mean because
you can make You could say something. We probably said
something on this podcast tonight that will unintentionally infuriate people

(01:02:17):
and want people to boycott us, you know, and then
tomorrow it'll be a boycott of something totally different and unrelated.
I mean, it's it's the point, honestly where I have
gone on the internet, on Twitter back in the day.
It's just you know, early in the morning, and my
first thing I would say is like, so, what are

(01:02:37):
we boycotting today, you know, because it's preposterous, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Ridiculous risinger motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Yeah, problems. Yeah, well, we're gonna have to edit that
out again because we can't use this. We can't use
that word on on the anybody, I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Passionate about this. You know, it's a paper who show
who cares that they changed a lot of language.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
It's not all my pay per view as though it's
a whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
It's just like it's just like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Yeah, but again, you know, look, I can understand the
why w W did change the provvation to showdown because
they don't want to, you know, even unintentionally tick off
part of their fan base, because lord knows they've been
doing that quite.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
A lot lately.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Let's not pile on because they just as I did
post earlier, they just seemed can't seem to get out
of their own way. It's really it's really like, but again.

Speaker 6 (01:03:49):
Your company, they should know better than some of the
stuff they think, not that situation, but earlier situations. Yes,
they may corporation, they should know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Better we're not We're not talking about other stuff. It
was this item.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Yeah, I mean, look, yeah, well stick with the stick
with invasion and showdown. They fixed it. I'm good. Look,
if I'm not Jewish, I understand, And if you guys
are Jewish, I don't know. But if you are Jewish
and you don't care, that's your prerogative. But I can

(01:04:28):
understand where the Jewish community we're upset about this because
it was a little bit tasteless, even though again unintentionally so,
but it was tasteless and w W e an we
got to give TNA some credit here too, because it
was a joint thing. They fixed it. They fixed it,

(01:04:50):
and that's all that matters. They took care of the issue,
you know, and that's then that's that and that's honest.
Are there any other people that have any other pot
poiries that they want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
I mean, there's Tequesta coming up with his IWTP heavyweight
title match, which I wish that they would mention on commentary,
Like that's one of the things that bugs me so
much is you know, aaw will have people over in
New Japan and not mention it at all.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Yeah. Yeah, unless it happens like a forbidden door or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Yeah, like when you have people invest with the super
Juniors or you have them in World Tagley and you
don't mention it one single bit, like put over your
freaking partner they're sending you guys, You've taken a bunch
of their guys, like the least you can see that
some of your guys are wrestling in a tournament or
having a title match. Like how do you not mention

(01:05:55):
that Tequsta has an IWTP World Heavyweight title match of
Pro Wrestling on October the thirteenth. Ex Talibra can rattle
that out in five seconds and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
It doesn't even have to be associated with uh an
aw wrestler could be just two New Japan wrestlers, be
two CML wrestlers, It could be two starter wrestlers. You
could say something like, hey, miss the Cove defended his

(01:06:26):
CMLL Heavyweight Championship successfully on Friday night. Hey, Saya Kamatani
defeated you know, uh Azumi and has now got the
World of Startup Champion Championship and the New Japan Strong
Women's Championship. You know, hey.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Recap.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Yeah, But like especially when it's we have AW wrestlers
over there. That's especially when they need to mention it
and doubly soap and it's a big title, Max, they
should be like, how do you not have don Kallis
hyping that up on Dynamite, which the story of when

(01:07:10):
of when Patsto loses and he comes back and don
Kallis to rates him for not bringing him the IWGP
heavyweight title tells.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
That got me thinking, Yeah, I'd love them to do
like a like a season recap every month. So here's
what happened in CMO out, Here's what happened in New Japan,
Here's what happened in Stardom, And here's why that works.
One of the problems with Forbidden Door season now, because
most of the major stars Americans we're familiar with are
now in AW. Nobody knows a lot of the top

(01:07:41):
guys and the top women in the other promotions. Doing
recaps on TV periodically keeps the fans aware of who
the big stars are. So when you need to start
plugging them into TV to begin to build for that
pay per view, it's going to mean a lot more
because we're gonna know who the heck these people are.
You're not just gonna pull no names because we'll have
seen them on TV without needing to actually see them
on TV. If that makes sense. Two minutes a week

(01:08:03):
pays dividends for a paper give.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
They don't even need to put it on TV. They
can put it on Twitter for you know, like there's
a lot of stuff today w puts on Twitter to
never make it on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Have Tony Savanni do like a ten minute recap, so
put it on their YouTube channel, put it on Twitter,
and have them just mention it on Dynamite and television
like a twenty second little deal like, hey, if you're interested,
we have this on our YouTube channel.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
Three old school. Put them behind a desk exactly that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
No. I told you was listening to this and he
needs someone to research all the other wrestling to give
Tony Savanni the notes for that. I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
I don't think needs anybody to research for him and
anything to do with wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Shut up, I'm trying to get a top here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
I'm sorry, but but I mean I do want to
say something here. I don't know the logistics and like
the rules about it. But I said earlier earlier in
the show that Chris Statlander is the Pro Wrestling Leave
International Champion. Was she not coming out on the AW

(01:09:21):
shows holding the Pro Wrestling EVE Championship? That is making people.
That's a small little thing that you can do to
say this is our partner and I have on their
on the lower third, Chris Statlander, a w Women's World Champions,
Pro Wrestling EVE International Champion, Women's International Champion, done small

(01:09:46):
things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Tag team champion the whole time he was over here
these last few months. They never mentioned it once, never
showed it with the belt. Why the hell not?

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Who when'd you a belt?

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
When did stat Lander win the belt a couple months ago?
She's defended they once.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
So I have a theory as to why, because AW
often let's stars wear belts and other promotions Mercedes does it.
Osprey came out with a rev pro bunch. I think
in this case, because they're going to give the main
the title to stat you don't want people thinking she's
already a champion. It means a little more for that

(01:10:34):
to be the only belt she's seen with. And so
either it was just bad timing or they thought that
would take away from her getting coordinated as a world champion.
But I could understand if that was the reason they
went with it, why they wouldn't have her coming out
with another belt.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Yeah, but they do this all the time with both
the men and the women. I mean, it's you know,
and it's it's it's not right. I I I really
do believe even if it's r o H, they got
to make sure they add the R o H belts
on there and make a big deal out of it.
I mean, but when it's specifically a partner, you know,

(01:11:12):
or somebody like MLW or Stardom or you know, obviously,
like I said, Will Osprey is a producer of of
Pro Wrestling Eve, and this is something that I probably
I'm gonna ask Pro Wrestling Eve because Pro Wrestling Eve

(01:11:32):
Wright Girls of Wrestling is a member of our discord.
I'm gonna ask them about it and ask why is
there a reason between the two companies or is it
that EVE is not allowing Christatlander to dis display the belt?
That could be it too could not even be in

(01:11:54):
Aw's hands at that point, you see what I'm saying. Yeah,
but there have been very many wrestlers that have come
over and whether from CMLLL or whatnot. And then they
haven't been wearing their belts when they come to the ring.
It doesn't make sense to me. By the way. Uh,

(01:12:21):
somebody mentioned Takeshta earlier. Uh, and Takeshta New Japan is
doing a documentary kind of a Day in the Life
of Takeshta, and they did release kind of a trailer. Now.
This documentary is going to be on the New Japan
Pro Wrestling YouTube channel. They did release a trailer for

(01:12:43):
it today and it's kind of hysterical because.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Okay, it's the trainer. I got to go watch that lake.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Yeah, Takeshta. I did post it on the aw fan
Hub subreddit.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Takesha's talking about the g one climax and that he
want wants to be the best, and you know, he's
trying to be the strongest and whatnot. And inexplicably, a
lot of the trailer is dedicated to Takesha eating a
whole lot of Japanese rice, like ten bowls a day

(01:13:17):
or something like that. He said that is ted is
talking about being the strongest and the best and what
I all of a sudden they cut the Yukazakazaki is
white and she says two sentences he's a baby. He's
just a big baby. And then the announcer, you know
that the narrator is like, and he's a big baby.

(01:13:38):
And I just thought it was hysterical. I mean, they
just went all over the place on his trailer. They
painted Tosh as a guy that's very dedicated to be
the strongest, who eats a whole hell of a lot
of Japanese rice, whose wife thinks he's a big baby,
and that's the trailer. It's totally entertained. They did a

(01:14:01):
great job at the trailer, they really did. And you know,
it's just great. It's it's in Japanese, it's got subtitles,
but it's great, you know, and it probably will be
a very interesting dog. I don't know how long this
documentary is going to be, but apparently it's going to
be a day in the wife of can O Skate
Takeashta in America with his wife at what he does

(01:14:22):
on a daily basis, which pretty much is eating a
whole shitload of rice.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
It'll probably be around like cane this thirty minutes. That's
about usual for those kind of documentary things.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Anybody else have a pot pourri that they want to
talk about? Express Oh, good topic.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Okay, we know they're coming back this week, like, but
me personally, and I put this in the chat, I
don't want them coming back as jungle Boy and Lucasaurus.
I want him to acknowledge that they've been through some
rat they've dealt with some stuff, so it drastic expresses back.

(01:15:13):
But now it's jungle Jack Perry and Kilosaurus. Yes, that's
why I kill a saurus. I know it's ridiculous, but
so is the idea of a wrestling dinosaur. So let's
go full on ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
I mentioned this in our podcast last week time and
that Jack Perry, if you looked at him when he
came back at the pay per view, he wasn't jungle Boy.
He was a mixture of jungle Boy and Jack and escapegoat.
Yeah he had that you know, that shit eating grin

(01:15:52):
and the and the clothing, but he was jungle boy too.
And if you also on the aw fan hub subreddit,
there's a wrestler, uh, there's a there's a wrestler. There's
a post with an interview with Jack Perry. It's a
very short interview. You should look it up, where Jack

(01:16:12):
Perry discusses being off for so long, saying that he
expected to be off for a couple of months, but
it ended up being extended. There was a planned uh
planned program with him and Kenny Omega that fell through,
which caused him to be off TV for a much longer.
He talked about Lucasaurus being his best friend and how

(01:16:35):
difficult it was when you know, Lucasaurus almost died from
the from the pneumonia that he had, uh, you know,
and it was this really something and it's a it's
a very short interview, but it does give you a
little bit of insight. And in the interview, it's clear

(01:16:58):
that Jack Perry is through Bill to be back with
Jurassic Express, reviving Jurassic Express, and yeah, you know, I'm
looking forward. I kind of disagree with you and agree
with you at the same time. I think that kill
Switch was a failure from the get go. Uh kind

(01:17:19):
of made him look like an idiot. And I think
that it's good that Lucasaurus is Lucasaurus again. And like
I said earlier, I do believe that it's not really
Jungle Boy that we're going to see right now. It's
a mixture of Jungle Boy and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Escapegoat yeah, like, yeah, he can't just revert back to
being jungle boy. He's got to be He's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Got to he's a jungle man. Yeah, you know, Yeah,
Lucasaurus did a ball from kill switch to uh to
Lucasaurus again, you know, and we'll we'll just have to
see what happens. Maybe we'll even talk now. I don't know,

(01:18:12):
you know, because my dream I said it before. My
dream is that Lucasaurus and beast Mortos do a entering
promo against each other. I just think that would be
higher editating. Just a bunch of.

Speaker 9 (01:18:24):
Grunts and nobody understands what they're saying except for each other,
and they're getting mad or laughing or whatever at each other,
getting frustrated, and we.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Don't know what's going on, and yeah, show their acting chops.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Well, did dinosaurs and menotaur share a language?

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
I'm sure they did. Uh. I don't know what language
it is, but anyway, Well, look it's time to go.
We will be act well tomorrow night. The Dynamite sixth
Anniversary a half hours. It is a two and a

(01:19:07):
half hour show. Normally we do a quick twenty minute
rundown of Dynamite because it's running late. We may not
do that tomorrow night, so we may not do all
we talk tomorrow night. We'll play it by year. If
we do it, we do it. If we don't, we
do we don't because we do this with the community

(01:19:29):
for fun, and if the community is too tired to
do a podcast at ten thirty or whatever the heck
time it is at night Eastern time, then we're not
going to do it. But we're getting toward ten oh
five Eastern time as we're speaking right now, so we're
going to wrap this up. Forty aw Fan Podcast Team.
Thank you guys for joining us, thank you for listening.

(01:19:52):
Good night everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Later,